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Hi, Doctor Felter here again. 
This is Part 2 in the procedures

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that we do in the office. 
This is a staff training course.

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I'm going to talk a little bit 
now about carry Flex. 

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So carry flex is a procedure 
that we do in the office. 

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It's used to help with detached 
or thickened toenails. 

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So for example, if there's a 
thickened fungal toenail, it 

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works very well for a thick and 
toenail. 

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The ones that it works the best 
for are those toenails that only

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have a little bit on the base. 
If they only have a little bit 

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on the base and the rest of it's
not, not present or detached or 

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fungal works really well for 
that. 

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Or a nail that has a a lot of 
they've had a previous like 

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ingrown toenail procedure and it
and it hasn't worked and the 

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nail looks very narrow so it 
works very well for that. 

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The process is you first grind 
down the nail with one of the 

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grinders. 
This is the only thing that we 

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really grind in our practice are
are the carry flex nails. 

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You apply something called the 
bonding agent, which is a liquid

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that you put on the nail and 
then you you let that dry for 

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about 30 seconds. 
Then you apply a coat of the 

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carry flex, the carry flex, you 
apply it a light layer 1st and 

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then you do the UV light for 
like 30 seconds just to harden 

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it up a little bit and then you 
do it another piece. 

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And then once you're done you 
then you do 2 minutes. 

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OK, so 2 minutes is when you do 
the final amount. 

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So you tend to do a layer over 
then like initial layer. 

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And then the reason you use the 
the UV light is so it doesn't 

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it's too flexible it it moves 
around, it's kind of like watery

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ish. 
And then you apply it again 

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until you're done. 
And then when you're done you 

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you cure it for 2 minutes and 
then you buff the nail. 

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Usually I buff it with a there's
a a file that's in there to buff

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it down. 
If it's really thick, you can 

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use the Dremel again and then 
you do the sealant, there's a 

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sealant on there. 
You do that for and then you 

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cure it for 2 minutes and then 
the patient's all set with that.

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You have to remember to apply 
the the Cariflex a piece at a 

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time and may not make it too 
thick. 

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And then I always say for 
patients, they usually come in 

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in the spring to do it, unless 
they're going on a vacation in 

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the winter. 
So if they want it in the 

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winter, then they can come in in
the winter, but usually they 

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come in in the spring for it. 
And then it lasts about 3 

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months. 
What you'll find with the nails 

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is that if the nail grows, if it
doesn't grow out, it grows 

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thick. 
And so if it grows thick, it's 

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going to be, it's going to be 
lifted at the base of the nail. 

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So they may come in to have a 
change just because it lifts up 

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in the back because a lot of 
these thickened Toen nails 

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instead of growing long, they'll
grow thicker, OK. 

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So it's something that patients 
really enjoy and works really 

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well for their, for their nails.
With our office, they tend to 

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buy the kit and they keep the 
kit we charge usually increased 

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price for the first nail and 
then less for the additional 

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nails. 
This is an example of Lunila 

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Laser. 
Lunila, we've had a couple of 

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different types of lasers in our
office. 

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We have the Qterra laser, which 
is the one that we typically use

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for warts and we have a Remy 
laser and we also have a Luna 

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laser. 
So the Luna is the one that's a 

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box and you put your foot in the
box and you and you turn it on. 

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Now if you look at these 
pictures, these are the nails 

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that it works better for. 
So what what what's the 

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difference between this and a 
lot of the other ones we see, 

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these are normal thickness nails
that are a little bit lytic at 

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the end. 
So lytic means it's detached. 

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OK, see how it's detached and 
there's some fungus underneath 

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the tip. 
But if you notice all of these 

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nails, they're they're not very 
thick. 

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The challenge with laser, laser 
does not work very well with 

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very, very thick nails. 
It works OK with these nails 

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that are a little bit lytic or 
detached and have a fungus in 

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them. 
So that's the main key if you're

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looking at like what's the kind 
of the, the selection process 

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for who does the laser, It would
be those types of patients that 

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have less thick nails. 
Otherwise, we're tending to do 

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the oral medications. 
The topicals aren't all out 

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effective, so once again works 
better. 

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For lytic nails. 
I recommend getting a nail 

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sample prior to starting the the
treatment. 

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Oral medication versus laser, 
you have to have that 

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conversation with the patient if
you're wanting to prevent 

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recurrence. 
There's two things that you can 

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do certainly. 
I guess the main issue with 

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patients I explains that the 
problem is is incomplete cure 

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usually, and it's not really 
recurrence. 

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Incomplete cure is because 
they're they they don't take it 

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long enough, especially like the
oral medications. 

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I like to have the until the 
nail is normalized, they're 

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actually on something. 
So in terms of the the laser, 

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one of the challenges is if when
they're using it it's not 

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totally grown out, there's a 
chance that it could regrow in 

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that that's the incomplete cure 
component but it can also come 

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back from the fungus that can 
live in their shoes. 

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So we have something called 
mycomist which is spray that can

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go in the shoes. 
We also have shoe ZAP, which is 

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used to prevent recurrence, 
which is ultraviolet light that 

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kills the fungus that's inside 
of the shoe. 

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So patients are concerned about 
the shoes. 

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I would just say that all fungal
nail treatments take one year to

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see final results because a new 
nail needs to grow out. 

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I say that Lamisil is about 80% 
effective, Luna is about 60% 

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based on the on the nail, right.
If you have these really 

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thickened toenails, Luna isn't 
going to penetrate enough and 

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the topical are about 2020% 
effective and I'll require 

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treatment to prevent recurrence.
The other thing I use for 

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recurrence to prevent recurrence
is I use once they're totally 

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better, using a topical 
antifungal once a week on the 

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skin and I do that. 
That would be like after it's 

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totally gone and and that's only
because many times the the the 

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nail fungus can start from the 
skin fungus nail plate avulsion.

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This is an example of something 
that we do if someone has a a 

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very painful ingrown toenail and
they don't want to just take the

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sides out or if they have a very
thick nail or if they have maybe

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blood underneath the nail, you 
can remove it. 

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Here's an example of a nail that
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base. 
Sometimes these these nails, 

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they get injured at the base and
they get kind of elevated and 

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we'll call it boggy, which is 
like there's drainage in there 

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and it's kind of detached and 
lifted. 

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It's almost as if someone put 
something underneath there and 

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it's kind of pulling it up and 
it was almost lifted up. 

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What's holding it in most likely
is just the edges. 

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So for this we always numb it 
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The only reason we wouldn't numb
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neuropathy, but most of these 
patients we numb up. 

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We don't use this type of a 
tourniquet. 

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This is the old type of 
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got. 
We usually use the little green 

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ones that we put on the toes and
then they'll stop the blood 

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supply if you if you didn't 
know. 

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That's why we put those on 
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So you you roll it, you roll it 
up on the toe and then as it as 

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it as it rolls up it actually 
pushes the blood out and then 

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this is the the nail base. 
It's used for a very loose nail 

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also for something called the 
subungual hematoma, which is 

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blood underneath the nail. 
It can be for a nail avulsion, 

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which just means pulling off the
nail. 

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It can be total, meaning you 
take the whole nail off or 

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partial, which is mean you just 
take off a side of the nail. 

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A lot of things like the the 
staff, sometimes you you're 

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you're wondering well what's an 
I and D what's an avulsion for? 

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For the staff purposes I'll 
explain the difference. 

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But an avulsion if you take the 
whole thing off as a total nail 

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avulsion, if you take an edge 
out, it's a partial nail 

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avulsion because you're an 
impartial of the nail. 

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Now if there's an infection in 
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avulsion is called an incision 
and drainage. 

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And the reason it's called 
you're incising it and you're 

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cutting it and you're draining 
out the infection that's usually

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in there. 
The the difference is if there 

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is redness on the side, if 
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that's that's considered an 
incision and drainage. 

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The setup for for the staff is 
all really the same. 

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The only difference up is that 
if you're pulling totally the 

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nail off, a lot of us like to 
use some adaptic because this 

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can can when you pull up the 
bandage, you can stick the the 

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gauze, little fibers get stuck 
in there and that's a challenge 

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for them. 
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to soak before they take this 
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And if you're doing a total 
nail, we'll do that adaptic, 

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apply sufficient triple 
antibiotic or a gauze or use 

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adaptic to avoid it. 
If the bandage sticks, soak the 

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toe prior to removing the 
bandage. 

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This is something we tell all of
our patients and we get a number

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of phone calls every year about 
that we talked about before 

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established patients. 
I'm going to talk a little bit 

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about new patient office visits 
to keep it real simple for a new

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patient, if they come in, it's 
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there's no real treatment done. 
So no X-rays done, no nothing. 

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They just died some foot pain. 
I want to get looked at maybe an

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evaluation of an ingrown toenail
without any treatment. 

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Something like that would be a 
level 2. 

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We don't do very many level 
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We're usually doing something 
Level 3 would be a more complex 

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condition if we get imaging 
which is X-rays or an 

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ultrasound, taking a nail 
sample, doing a plan for the 

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future plantar fasciitis, 
initial visit without a 

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prescription, OK. 
And then level 4 would be things

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that are more intense surgical 
discussions, just giving 

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something that is an medication.
We talked about these levels, 

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these are billing levels and 
these are on on the billing tab 

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that that we put in. 
But sometimes the front office 

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staff, they need to know what 
level it is usual to will tell 

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you, that's just kind of a 
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And there's this big billing 
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I'm not going to go into it, but
it talks about like you have to 

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how many conditions you need and
problems and what documents 

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you're looking at. 
I'm going to talk a little bit 

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about Anifix. 
So Anifix is different than 

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carry flex. 
So carry Flex is used for ugly 

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toenails to cover them up. 
It's the cosmetic procedure. 

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If they have a damaged nail 
that's never going to get 

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better. 
They'll come in once a year or 

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twice a year and we'll do that 
for them. 

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The onifix is used for ingrown 
toenails and it works better if 

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the nail is flatter at the base.
So with the base of the nail is 

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this, this part's the base, so 
the base of the nail right here,

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if it's flatter here and then as
it grows out, if it curves in, 

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it works well. 
So let me give you an example. 

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So if you look at this one, it 
looks like a a curly cue, right?

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And it's flatter at the base. 
So if it's flatter at the base 

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and you apply the the the 
anifix, as it grows out it stays

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on the nail and as the nail 
grows it slowly pushes out and 

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it'll bend, then that it'll 
it'll untwist the nail at the 

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tip. 
That's what it does. 

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So you can see these examples 
here curved in 124 weeks later. 

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OK six months later and then you
know and that's how it looks and

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as it's slowly grows out and 
then it grows out a lot of times

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we need to reapply these. 
I used to do it and then have 

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people come back in three 
months. 

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Now what I tend to do is I have 
them come back in when it falls 

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off. 
So it might that might be longer

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period of time if there is 
enough space at the at the when 

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they come back like let's say 
this, this has moved out here 

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and there's enough room for 
another one. 

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I sometimes put on two ANI 
fixes. 

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It's applied to the base of the 
toenail. 

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It trains the toenail to lift 
out the edges at the front. 

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Repeat it every three to six 
months when it falls off. 

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If it falls off under two 
months, I apply it without any 

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cost. 
So if this is something that's 

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not covered by insurance, I 
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If it falls off again because I 
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restrictions both with carry 
flex and ANI fix that we talked 

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about before. 
There's really no restrictions. 

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Patients as well. 
Can I do, you can do anything 

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you want. 
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you're a big runner, the carry 
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fall off. 
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off, I put it on again. 
I just charge an office visit or

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I let them know. 
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nail is red infected and 
painful, we do an incision and 

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drainage. 
That's where you numb it up and 

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take out the edge with 
anaesthesia. 

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emulsion or we'll do a a 
matrixectomy. 

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So orthotic dispensing. 
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normally. 
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office is let's say I'm seeing a
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they're doing orthotics, I might
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them. 
So I kind of do it in a way that

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it'll the orthotics I hope will 
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That's kind of how I do it. 
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desk, but if you set your follow
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the orthotics are in and you can
dispense them to the patient. 

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They can make a dispensing visit
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builds an office visit. 
So some patients are are are 

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concerned about the office 
visits, review shoe 

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recommendations and make sure 
they're fitting well. 

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I think that's key. 
Making sure they're fitting well

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in the shoe, making sure 
they're, they're, they know what

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shoes they can wear. 
You tend to want to do a shoe 

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that has a sock liner that comes
out. 

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The sock liner isn't the thing 
that has the name of the shoe 

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and that pull that out and they 
put the orthotic in. 

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A couple of modifications that 
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heat it up and we can drop down 
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So if the arch is too high, we 
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But a lot of times we can send 
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and Northwest, which are the two
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Forward motion is a little bit 
easier. 

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You don't have to send the 
device with it. 

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You just kind of send back the 
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well and you say kind of what 
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wider, if you want it longer or 
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different place. 
It's always good to remind the 

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patients, I know you give them 
the package, but it's good to 

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let them know that there's a 
second pair for for $200 off. 

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And the reason we do 2 pairs is 
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compliance of wearing the 
devices. 

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So they're going to get better 
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them more, because most people 
have like a workout shoe and an 

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everyday shoe, and so they can 
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I tend to get the first pair 
first to make sure they're 

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comfortable, there's no 
adjustments. 

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And then I'll do the second pair
as needed, Pad, net or vascular 

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testing. 
So this is a test that we do in 

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the office. 
The staff does, why do we do 

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this? 
Because our patients, most of 

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them are elderly or have 
diabetes and those patients are 

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at higher risk of developing 
PAD, which is peripheral 

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arterial disease or clotting. 
The way I explained it to 

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patients is that if you have 
let's say poor circulation to 

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the legs, most people don't 
complain. 

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Some might have what we call 
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in the legs, but for the most 
part our patients aren't 

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complaining. 
But if you give, I'll give it an

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analogy. 
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to the to the carotid artery 
which is in your neck that could

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lead to a stroke. 
OK people many times it's under 

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not diagnosed can lead to a 
stroke. 

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If you have it in your heart it 
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circulation. 
It's all all the circulatory 

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system. 
If you have it in your legs it's

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going to create a peripheral 
arterial disease which many 

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times goes silent because the 
patients have neuropathy because

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they're just think their legs 
are tired. 

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And that's why we do this test. 
It's it's an easy test. 

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It's a lot easier than checking 
other things because you can put

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these blood pressure cuffs on 
their on the legs, three blood 

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pressure cuffs and then one on 
the toe And it it we do this for

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patients that are high risk, OK.
What was considered high risk 

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diabetes is always high risk, 
OK, because diabetes has a high 

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higher prevalence of clogging 
the artery. 

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So diabetics over the age of 50 
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age of 70, OK. 
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ulcers to evaluate the healing 
potential, if it's really 

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urgent, sometimes we send this 
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because we tend to schedule 
these, you know, on Fridays or 

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other days when when staff is 
available. 

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So we we don't do them every 
single day. 

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We repeat them usually yearly 
because we want to see if 

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there's any changes in the in 
the circulation and the results 

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will come back as mild, moderate
or severe. 

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Most of them, ours come back 
mild and moderate. 

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If it's mild to moderate, we 
usually evaluate it. 

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We don't. 
Well, we just evaluate it again.

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We send the results to the 
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year we'll see if it changes. 
If if there's a drastic change 

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or if they have more symptoms, 
then we will refer them to a 

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circulation Dr. OR called a 
vascular surgeon. 

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It usually takes 30 minutes to 
do this procedure by the staff. 

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They have to remember to bring 
in shorts or or they're going to

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put on a Johnny OR or something 
else like that. 

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OK we we talked a little bit 
about I I just kind of bunched 

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all these together only because 
what I was using was the the the

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cash pay pricing kind of thing. 
But a paronychia is different 

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than an Abscess which is 
different than assist I and D 

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but I just want to explain 
they're all kind of infections. 

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So a paronychia is an infection 
of an ingro and toenail. 

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So an example of pus coming out 
the nail, this redness right 

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here, you're going to either do 
the whole take the whole nail 

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off or just take the edge of the
nail and Abscess is is an 

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infection usually in the in the 
skin. 

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And and then you would have to 
numb it up and and and and and 

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cut through it to do a call in 
an I and D And then there's also

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a cyst I and D, which if there's
a cyst not so much a ganglion 

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cyst. 
But if there's like another type

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of a cyst in there that you 
would cut it and you would drain

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the fluid. 
So that would be that you can 

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even an aspiration as well. 
It's used for an infected 

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ingrown toenail where you remove
the painful edge or you remove 

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the total total toenail. 
Used to drain out the prevalent 

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Abscess or used to drain a 
ganglion cyst if it's not 

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infected. 
We do not usually give 

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antibiotics. 
This is a question that that 

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differs us than a lot of the Eds
or the urgent cares is they tend

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to give antibiotics for 
everything. 

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Once you take out the nail and 
you and you have them soak it, 

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you don't usually need an 
antibiotic. 

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If there is a lot of redness you
can do an antibiotic. 

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But for a lot of our patients we
we do not do antibiotics. 

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Remi laser for pain management, 
we we we do a little bit of this

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but not too much with this 
laser. 

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So this has a pain setting on it
and what you do is you you you 

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move it back and forth on the 
area of pain kind of in a 

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swooping motion kind of all 
around it. 

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Kind of like we do a shockwave, 
you perform it on the pain 

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setting, it usually takes 5 to 
10 minutes and you do 6 

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treatments once a week or twice 
a week for three weeks. 

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And this can be done by staff, 
can be done by the doctors, it 

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can be done in conjunction. 
So sometimes we're doing it in 

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conjunction with with like 
Shockwave, you put the pain 

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setting on and you check every 
two minutes until the pain is 

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reduced. 
So the the determination if it's

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working is if the if the pain 
when you push is working, 

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there's there's no pain. 
Like I said, it can be done with

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shockwave. 
Prior to the shockwave and your 

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treatment is complete when the 
pain has reduced. 

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So what it does is it uses the 
laser light to heat up and it 

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stimulates blood flow. 
All these treatments that we do 

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kind of stimulate blood flow. 
This one stimulates shockwave, 

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stimulates blood flow. 
Talk a little bit about routine 

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care. 
I just want to explain a little 

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bit about the difference. 
Routine care is a kind of a a 

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difficult, challenging kind of 
animal in the office because 

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some patients are covered, some 
are non covered. 

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I'm going to explain the 
difference. 

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Routine care just means diabetic
or non diabetic foot care. 

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That and that usually entails 
trimming of the nails or 

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debriding. 
So the difference trimming is 

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when it's a thin nail. 
A normal nail we call it 

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trimming. 
Debriding is where we trim down 

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or cut down the thick nails. 
That's debriding. 

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And then we also trim or or 
debride calluses, OK. 

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There's just technical terms 
that we use. 

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We usually in some reason, 
sometimes it's covered with 

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insurance. 
And why would insurance cover 

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it? 
They're covering it for a 

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patient that's considered high 
risk, OK. 

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So someone that they could lead 
to an amputation. 

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So not doing that care would 
lead to an amputation. 

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Usually it's for thick fungal 
toenails that are derided, it's 

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covered by insurance. 
Normal thickness nails usually 

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are not unless they have what we
call class findings. 

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So class findings are something 
that we would document in the 

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physical exam findings and 
usually indicate something like 

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a peripheral vascular disease, 
PVD. 

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So like non palpable pulses, 
diabetes with proliferative 

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vascular disease, diabetes with 
neuropathy or lack of sensation.

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So we would check with that 
little Sims, Weinstein, that 

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little, little piece of plastic 
we push on there. 

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Foot and if they can't feel it, 
that kind of indicates 

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neuropathy and then different 
circulation things like 

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Raynaud's and and and different 
diseases. 

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Regular callus trimming is 
usually not covered unless they 

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have these class findings or 
they're high risk. 

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So not not just everyone that 
wants their calluses trimmed can

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come into the office and have 
the calluses trimmed. 

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They can do it, but they just 
have to pay. 

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Now I want to explain a caveat 
here. 

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There is something that is not 
it's it's kind of a callous, but

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it's called a porokeratoma. 
Poro means pore like a sweat 

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gland. 
Keratoma is callous. 

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So these things we see a lot of 
times in the office, they they 

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get confused for warts. 
It's a callous with a really 

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deep core in there. 
And then what we do is we trim 

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off the upper callous, we cut 
out the center and then we put 

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in one of those circular pads 
that we have the felt pads with 

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a hole in it and then we put 
salicylic acid in the middle. 

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When we do that, that's called 
lesion destruction. 

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So it's it's we use lesion 
destruction codes similar to a a

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wart, but the lesion destruction
code is for anything that we're 

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destroying, usually do it once, 
one time if you're seeing 

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someone back like every three 
months to do poro keratomas that

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might turn into routine care, 
right. 

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Because usually when you're 
doing this it after a couple of 

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sessions it it should resolve 
OK. 

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So that that's a kind of a a 
high level understanding of of 

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routine care. 
Let's talk about strapping of 

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ankle, foot, hammer, toes and 
fractures. 

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OK, Well, we don't do a lot of 
ankle strapping basically 

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because of the time that it 
takes. 

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Many times physical therapists 
will do ankle or this is called 

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the Lodi strapping where you 
take tape and you tape it up the

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foot and this gives support to 
the arch. 

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What are some ways that we kind 
of mimic this in the office? 

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We do compression sleeves that 
kind of mimics it. 

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We'll do an over the counter 
arch support or do an orthotic. 

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So these all help patients that 
tend to have like plantar 

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fasciitis and other types of 
pain. 

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OK, but we don't do a lot of 
strapping in the office 

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fracture. 
Someone has a toe fracture. 

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We do do this. 
This is a buddy taping. 

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So you take Coban 1 inch, Coban 
tape the two toes together. 

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You tend to tape the bigger toe 
to the the, I'm sorry, the the 

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00:22:12,360 --> 00:22:14,360
fractured toe. 
You tape it to the to toe that's

449
00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:17,680
adjacent and bigger to it. 
Use one inch Coban and they just

450
00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:19,280
take it off from the shower and 
they put it on again. 

451
00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:22,760
And you do that until they feel 
better along with the surgical 

452
00:22:22,760 --> 00:22:26,680
shoe or walking boot. 
OK Then for hammer toes, there's

453
00:22:26,680 --> 00:22:29,080
different types of strapping. 
You can strap the toe down. 

454
00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:33,560
That's for like a a hammer toe 
or what we call capsulitis or 

455
00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:35,880
metatarsalgia that's in the in 
the front of the foot. 

456
00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:39,600
You kind of pull it down and 
that's going to make it feel 

457
00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:41,640
better temporarily. 
Another thing that you can use 

458
00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:44,000
is something called the boudin 
splint, which is right here. 

459
00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:46,960
Boudin splint kind of pulls it 
down to. 

460
00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:48,480
These are called considered 
strapping. 

461
00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:51,840
So you could say you strapped it
with this and then you can 

462
00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:54,320
build, build those things, OK 
With these types of of 

463
00:22:54,320 --> 00:22:58,680
treatments, laser scar 
treatment, we don't do this a 

464
00:22:58,680 --> 00:23:00,800
ton. 
But for some patients that have 

465
00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:04,080
contracted scars or thick scars 
or elevated scars, here's an 

466
00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:06,640
example. 
Before and after you can do 

467
00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:08,280
this. 
I usually do four to six 

468
00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:10,400
sessions. 
And in the in the medical record

469
00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:12,960
is the actual settings you put 
on the laser. 

470
00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:16,400
I use the Qterra laser for this.
It helps reduce stress and 

471
00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:18,320
tension on the scar. 
So what I say is when you have a

472
00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:20,640
scar, everything is kind of 
confused in the in the in the 

473
00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:22,640
tissues. 
And then as you heat it up, 

474
00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:24,880
it'll all kind of flatten out 
and make it a little bit more 

475
00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:27,440
normal, OK? 
And it can reduce discoloration.

476
00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:30,560
I use this with in conjunction 
with like taping the skin. 

477
00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:32,560
Putting tape on the skin reduces
stress. 

478
00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:35,320
There's silicone tape that can 
be used as well and there's also

479
00:23:35,320 --> 00:23:36,960
cortisone and injections and 
other things. 

480
00:23:39,120 --> 00:23:41,480
Nail debridement just explaining
the difference. 

481
00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:43,640
This is a debridement. 
It's considered if there's very 

482
00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:45,840
thick nails. 
So if the nails over 3mm in 

483
00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:48,600
thickness we consider that 
debriding of the nail. 

484
00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:51,800
It's different than trimming. 
When we build it. 

485
00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:54,440
We build it from 1:00 to 5:00 
nails or 6 plus nails. 

486
00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:57,760
I know it's funny but that's how
we do it and it's covered 

487
00:23:57,760 --> 00:24:01,320
usually every 61 days. 
If the nail is detached or the 

488
00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:04,160
the nail bed is disappearing, 
what that means is let's say 

489
00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:05,680
this nail. 
If you cut this all the way back

490
00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:08,320
and there's only this little bit
right here that's left, then you

491
00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:11,240
could apply that carry flex to 
it to make it look good if they 

492
00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:12,320
if they wanted to for the 
summer. 

493
00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:16,080
OK, this just going back, this 
would not be a good candidate 

494
00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:19,360
for laser because it's so thick,
right? 

495
00:24:19,360 --> 00:24:22,360
If you had a thinner nail, it 
would be This was a better 

496
00:24:22,360 --> 00:24:24,080
candidate for the oral 
medication. 

497
00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:28,080
OK, nail trimming. 
These are just normal nails, you

498
00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:30,400
just trim them. 
They're nails that are not 

499
00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:32,760
thick. 
They tend not to be ingrown. 

500
00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:36,080
If they're ingrown, then we 
would use an anaesthesia to numb

501
00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:38,720
it up when we numb it, when we 
numb it at the base of the nail 

502
00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:43,960
ulcer debridement. 
I don't want to go everything 

503
00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:45,720
into ulcers with you, but I just
want to. 

504
00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:47,520
These are some patients we 
typically see in the office, 

505
00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:48,960
like an ulcer on the 5th Meta 
Head. 

506
00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:53,480
Ulcers are graded. 
Most of the ulcers that we see 

507
00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:56,320
in the office are grade one or 
grade 2. 

508
00:24:56,760 --> 00:25:01,400
So a Grade 0 is nothing, OK? 
There's no ulcer, no symptoms. 

509
00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:07,640
A Grade 1 ulcer is an ulcer. 
That's superficial, meaning it's

510
00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:09,360
just the top of the skin, kind 
of like a blister. 

511
00:25:09,360 --> 00:25:13,120
This would be a Grade 1A, Grade 
2 ulcer is going deeper. 

512
00:25:13,120 --> 00:25:15,320
So it would go down to the 
tendon or ligament. 

513
00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:18,360
And that, you know, you might 
think I'm not seeing the tendon 

514
00:25:18,360 --> 00:25:20,280
ligament, not in this area, but 
if it's right out of toe, the 

515
00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:24,240
tendon and ligament is really 
close By grade three, it goes 

516
00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:26,280
down to the bone. 
So if it probes down to the bone

517
00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:29,560
or you divide the tissue down to
the bone, that would be a Grade 

518
00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:33,320
3 where you can see the bone or 
touch the bone, OK. 

519
00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:36,160
And then grade 4 is where 
there's a lack of circulation, 

520
00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:40,200
which is called gangrene. 
And then Grade 5 is really bad. 

521
00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:43,480
We don't see that that much. 
There are different depths of 

522
00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:48,480
ulcers. 
The the grade of an ulcer it is 

523
00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:50,880
how deep it goes, like if it 
probes to bone then you would 

524
00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:55,560
call that grade three OK Or in 
our notes it says it goes down 

525
00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:57,000
to bone. 
It doesn't really say grades, it

526
00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:58,680
says it goes down to bone or 
things like that. 

527
00:25:59,360 --> 00:26:02,840
Where you debride the depth of 
debridement is different. 

528
00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:05,720
So you might not debride the 
might not take the bone out but 

529
00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:08,800
you'll you'll take the tissue 
lower lower down in there. 

530
00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:11,480
So it's different what it's 
superficial meaning when it's 

531
00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:14,560
closer to the top of the skin 
kind of a this simple one like 

532
00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:17,680
this we use a Mara gel, triple 
antibiotics or Betanine. 

533
00:26:18,360 --> 00:26:21,080
We would use Betadine more if 
it's if it's if there's some 

534
00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:24,120
dampness or maceration or like 
it looks like dish pan hands 

535
00:26:24,120 --> 00:26:28,520
around it. 
If it's fibrotic or deeper we'll

536
00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:34,000
use like a collagen dressing or 
like a enzymatic debriser which 

537
00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:35,840
there's one we call used called 
santal. 

538
00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:38,880
At times if it's fibrotic and if
there's drainage as well we use 

539
00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:42,560
this this this collagen. 
We have the the collagen in our 

540
00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:46,000
in our office and you can't just
do that, you have to offload it.

541
00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:49,240
So we'll try to put these people
in off loading walking boots 

542
00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:51,960
that peg assist with those 
little pegs that you pull out or

543
00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:54,720
you do faltered foam. 
So PEG assist and felted foam 

544
00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:56,640
are very similar. 
A felted foam is something that 

545
00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:59,640
you do and that's why we like to
do the PEG assist which makes a 

546
00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:02,840
little bit easier for for taking
those little plugs out. 

547
00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:05,440
OK, You put that in a walking 
boot or a post op. 

548
00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:09,760
And it's also good to evaluate 
circulation and verify that 

549
00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:12,560
there's no bone infection with 
the X-rays. 

550
00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:16,160
OK, Ultrasound guided cortisone 
injection. 

551
00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:18,360
This is something we do quite a 
bit. 

552
00:27:18,360 --> 00:27:21,320
Here's the ultrasound probe, 
Here's the injection. 

553
00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:23,920
This is looking at the fascia 
like a normal fascia right here.

554
00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:27,880
This is a thin fascia and it's 
especially helpful for smaller 

555
00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:31,000
joints like the first MPJ or mid
foot joints, which are the 

556
00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:32,200
joints in the middle of the 
foot. 

557
00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:36,000
Because they're so small, you 
can inject one to two CC's in 

558
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:37,520
each area. 
It's helpful for plantar 

559
00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:40,520
fasciitis, tendons, posterior 
tibial tendon, peroneal tendon, 

560
00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:45,280
The other areas that we also 
could do cortisone, we could 

561
00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:46,480
also do shockwave in these 
areas. 

562
00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:49,840
So I tend to use ultrasound 
before shockwave and ultrasound 

563
00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:51,800
helps find the area that's 
thickened. 

564
00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:54,680
It's there's a dark area. 
It tends to be darker and 

565
00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:58,480
thicker and you want to document
this procedure that was done in 

566
00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:00,800
in the notes and add it to the 
building and you save the 

567
00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:05,120
ultrasound images prior to doing
this. 

568
00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:09,720
OK, this is a limited study of 
the ultrasound here. 

569
00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:11,960
This is an example that I have 
from a presentation. 

570
00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:13,840
You can see these examples right
here. 

571
00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:16,920
But I tend to show like the 
ultrasound what it looks like 

572
00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:20,360
normal and thickened and I give 
some normal values for males and

573
00:28:20,360 --> 00:28:22,720
females. 
So I kind of explained this it's

574
00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:26,760
it's the most common study in 
the office, that most common 

575
00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:29,720
study in the office that looks 
only at the affected anatomy. 

576
00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:32,760
You look at it in two angles, 
which is longitudinal 

577
00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:34,160
transverse. 
It just means you switch the 

578
00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:37,240
probe in two different angles to
look at the planet fascia 

579
00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:39,120
Achilles tendon, posterativia 
tendon. 

580
00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:41,800
Make sure the images are saved 
And once again if you want to 

581
00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:44,360
look at some of my ultrasound 
images you can look here these 

582
00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:46,280
those will be attached. 
This link will be attached 

583
00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:48,920
ultrasound when building an 
injection. 

584
00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:53,200
If we build a cortisone 
injection or aspiration or 

585
00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:55,200
pulling out liquid and 
ultrasound, we use this 

586
00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:57,560
category. 
It's less expensive than 

587
00:28:57,560 --> 00:29:00,400
unlimited ultrasound. 
So limited ultrasound is where I

588
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:01,800
actually look. 
And we're building an ultrasound

589
00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:04,120
which is usually the $100 or 
insurance covers it. 

590
00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:09,120
If we're doing just a guided 
injection, we just charge $50 or

591
00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:10,800
we can bill it if insurance will
bill it. 

592
00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:13,280
It's it's just to visualize just
that one area where I'm doing 

593
00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:18,200
the injection unaboot. 
Unaboot is used to help if 

594
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:21,240
someone has venous stasis ulcers
or wounds on the on the lower 

595
00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:22,720
legs. 
Also, if they have a lot of 

596
00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:25,080
swelling or if they have a 
sprain of their foot or sprain 

597
00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:28,400
of the ankle, it's repeated 
weekly by the staff. 

598
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:31,000
If it's really bad for the 
ulcers, it's used to reduce 

599
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:34,440
ankle edema or swelling, 
tendonitis, foot instability. 

600
00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:36,440
It can be used with a walking 
boot. 

601
00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:39,080
You might have to take the top 
of The Walking boot off to fit 

602
00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:41,000
it in there. 
You leave it on for three to 

603
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:43,720
five days and they can't shower 
or they would get a shower cover

604
00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:51,840
as well. 
Wart treatment or Veruca Veruca 

605
00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:57,840
treatment. 
So faroukas there's one to five 

606
00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:00,320
5 to 1415. 
Plus, this is the billing.

