1 00:00:15,440 --> 00:00:18,960 Hi, welcome back to the Astro Gateway Podcast. 2 00:00:19,000 --> 00:00:22,880 I'm Nurith Weiss Devicione. In the previous episode, we 3 00:00:22,880 --> 00:00:26,800 talked about the second step of Astro projection, creating 4 00:00:26,800 --> 00:00:29,400 focus. Before that, we looked at 5 00:00:29,400 --> 00:00:33,880 relaxation and how allowing the body to settle while keeping the 6 00:00:33,880 --> 00:00:37,720 mind gently aware creates the right conditions for the 7 00:00:37,720 --> 00:00:41,280 experience to unfold. If you've been practicing those 8 00:00:41,280 --> 00:00:44,560 two steps together, you might have started noticing something 9 00:00:44,560 --> 00:00:48,240 interesting. Maybe your body begins to feel 10 00:00:48,280 --> 00:00:53,160 distant or heavy. Maybe your breathing changes and 11 00:00:53,320 --> 00:00:58,520 seems to take over by itself. Or maybe you simply find 12 00:00:58,520 --> 00:01:01,960 yourself in a very quiet state where you're deeply relaxed, but 13 00:01:02,280 --> 00:01:04,239 you're still aware of what's happening. 14 00:01:05,040 --> 00:01:08,120 That's exactly where today's episodes begin. 15 00:01:09,120 --> 00:01:13,800 Because after relaxation and after creating focus comes the 16 00:01:13,800 --> 00:01:17,680 next part of the process. Know when it's time to leave the 17 00:01:17,680 --> 00:01:21,080 body. This is the point where many 18 00:01:21,080 --> 00:01:24,840 people either become excited and pull themselves out of the 19 00:01:24,840 --> 00:01:28,880 experience, or they assume something unusual is happening 20 00:01:28,880 --> 00:01:32,120 and stop the process before it has a chance to develop. 21 00:01:32,720 --> 00:01:36,240 The truth is that what's happening is usually very 22 00:01:36,240 --> 00:01:38,840 natural. Your body is moving towards 23 00:01:38,840 --> 00:01:41,160 sleep. Your awareness is staying 24 00:01:41,160 --> 00:01:45,400 present, and because you're remaining conscious through the 25 00:01:45,400 --> 00:01:49,440 process that normally happens unconsciously every night, you 26 00:01:49,440 --> 00:01:53,080 begin noticing things that most people simply sleep through. 27 00:01:53,640 --> 00:01:58,480 That's why this stage can feel unfamiliar at first, not because 28 00:01:58,480 --> 00:02:02,360 something strange is happening, but because you're awake to it. 29 00:02:03,120 --> 00:02:06,320 One of the most common experiences people talk about at 30 00:02:06,320 --> 00:02:10,240 this stage is vibrations. Now, not everyone will 31 00:02:10,240 --> 00:02:14,160 experience them, and they don't always feel the same, but 32 00:02:14,160 --> 00:02:18,280 they're common enough that it's worth understanding what they 33 00:02:18,280 --> 00:02:22,880 are and how to work with them instead of reacting to them. 34 00:02:23,480 --> 00:02:26,680 And that's what I'd like to spend some time talking about 35 00:02:26,680 --> 00:02:30,080 today. Because once you understand the 36 00:02:30,080 --> 00:02:33,200 stage, everything starts making a lot more sense. 37 00:02:33,960 --> 00:02:37,320 OK, so let's talk about the vibrations themselves. 38 00:02:37,720 --> 00:02:40,240 People describe them in all sorts of way. 39 00:02:40,480 --> 00:02:43,920 Some people feel a gentle humming moving through the body. 40 00:02:44,320 --> 00:02:47,680 Others describe it as buzzing, almost like standing near a 41 00:02:47,680 --> 00:02:51,480 powerful electrical current. Some feel waves moving through 42 00:02:51,480 --> 00:02:55,440 their feet toward the head, or from the head down through the 43 00:02:55,440 --> 00:02:59,120 rest of the body. For some people, it's very 44 00:02:59,120 --> 00:03:02,080 subtle. For others, it's incredibly 45 00:03:02,080 --> 00:03:05,080 strong. You might even hear sounds. 46 00:03:05,240 --> 00:03:08,760 A loud buzzing, a ringing, a rushing noise. 47 00:03:09,320 --> 00:03:12,480 Some people hear what sounds like static. 48 00:03:13,040 --> 00:03:17,280 Others hear voices or snippets of conversations that seem 49 00:03:17,280 --> 00:03:20,640 completely random. If you've ever experienced 50 00:03:20,720 --> 00:03:25,080 anything like that before, it could be surprising, but these 51 00:03:25,080 --> 00:03:29,000 kinds of sensations have been reported by people for a very 52 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:32,880 long time, and they're a very natural part of the transition 53 00:03:32,880 --> 00:03:36,720 for many people. The important thing to remember 54 00:03:36,720 --> 00:03:41,280 is that not everyone experiences vibrations. 55 00:03:42,360 --> 00:03:46,680 Sometimes the transition is so gentle that you simply find 56 00:03:46,680 --> 00:03:49,240 yourself outside your body without noticing much 57 00:03:49,240 --> 00:03:53,080 beforehand, and sometimes it's somewhere in between. 58 00:03:53,480 --> 00:03:57,400 So don't use vibrations as a test to decide whether you're 59 00:03:57,400 --> 00:04:01,080 making progress. There's simply one possible sign 60 00:04:01,080 --> 00:04:04,600 that your body is deeply relaxed while your awareness remains 61 00:04:04,600 --> 00:04:07,360 present. The other thing I'd like to 62 00:04:07,360 --> 00:04:11,160 mention is that the vibrations themselves are not the goal. 63 00:04:11,480 --> 00:04:14,920 Sometimes people become so focused on trying to make them 64 00:04:14,920 --> 00:04:18,680 stronger that they forget what they're actually trying to do. 65 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:22,600 The vibrations are not the experience, they're simply part 66 00:04:22,600 --> 00:04:25,600 of the process. For many people, it's a little 67 00:04:25,600 --> 00:04:28,600 like sitting on a runway waiting for a plane to take off. 68 00:04:28,600 --> 00:04:31,720 You don't bore the plane just to stay on the runway. 69 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:34,400 Eventually you want the journey to begin. 70 00:04:34,920 --> 00:04:38,720 The same applies here. If vibrations come, notice them, 71 00:04:38,720 --> 00:04:42,640 allow them, stay with them, but don't become attached to them. 72 00:04:43,320 --> 00:04:47,160 Now, the biggest thing that interrupts this stage is usually 73 00:04:47,160 --> 00:04:50,960 your own reaction. The first time it happens, it's 74 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:55,560 very common to think this is it, and the moment that excitement 75 00:04:55,560 --> 00:05:00,040 comes in, everything stops. The heart rate changes, your 76 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:03,760 attention jumps back into the physical body and you're fully 77 00:05:03,760 --> 00:05:06,760 awake again. The opposite can happen too. 78 00:05:06,760 --> 00:05:10,080 Sometimes people feel the vibrations beginning and think 79 00:05:10,080 --> 00:05:13,880 something is wrong. The sensations feel unfamiliar 80 00:05:13,880 --> 00:05:16,840 and fear naturally comes up again. 81 00:05:16,840 --> 00:05:20,280 The body wakes up completely and the experience ends. 82 00:05:20,640 --> 00:05:25,440 So what's the answer, really? It's much simpler than people 83 00:05:25,440 --> 00:05:28,160 think. Just let it happen. 84 00:05:28,520 --> 00:05:31,240 You don't have to make the vibration stronger. 85 00:05:31,600 --> 00:05:35,880 You don't have to analyze them. You don't have to wonder whether 86 00:05:35,880 --> 00:05:39,680 they're real enough. You simply stay present. 87 00:05:40,240 --> 00:05:43,480 Let them move through you without trying to control them. 88 00:05:43,840 --> 00:05:46,760 Almost like listening to rain outside your window. 89 00:05:47,120 --> 00:05:50,320 You're aware of it, but you're not doing anything with it. 90 00:05:51,080 --> 00:05:54,160 The more relaxed you are, the more naturally the process 91 00:05:54,160 --> 00:05:58,480 continues, and something interesting happens over time. 92 00:05:58,960 --> 00:06:02,560 The first few times, the vibrations might feel intense, 93 00:06:02,960 --> 00:06:06,760 maybe even overwhelming. But after you've experienced 94 00:06:06,760 --> 00:06:09,600 them enough, they start feeling familiar. 95 00:06:09,600 --> 00:06:13,000 You recognize them. You know where they're leading. 96 00:06:13,280 --> 00:06:16,600 Instead of wondering what's happening, you simply settle 97 00:06:16,600 --> 00:06:19,320 into them. For many people, including 98 00:06:19,320 --> 00:06:23,920 myself, that strange stage eventually becomes deeply 99 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:27,400 peaceful, sometimes even blissful. 100 00:06:28,120 --> 00:06:31,800 After you've gone through it a few times, it all starts to feel 101 00:06:31,800 --> 00:06:34,320 familiar. And then instead of thinking 102 00:06:34,320 --> 00:06:37,520 what's happening, you think, OK, here we go. 103 00:06:37,760 --> 00:06:41,960 And you stay relaxed, stay aware, and let the experience 104 00:06:41,960 --> 00:06:47,480 continue on its own. So when do you actually use an 105 00:06:47,480 --> 00:06:50,600 exit technique? This is probably one of the 106 00:06:50,600 --> 00:06:55,280 questions I get asked the most. People often ask when should I 107 00:06:55,280 --> 00:06:58,440 try to roll out? Or when should I imagine 108 00:06:58,440 --> 00:07:01,640 floating? Or should I wait for vibrations 109 00:07:01,640 --> 00:07:04,720 first? The truth is, there isn't one 110 00:07:04,720 --> 00:07:07,840 exact moment that's the same for everybody. 111 00:07:08,480 --> 00:07:11,800 Over time, you start to recognize it it It's almost like 112 00:07:11,800 --> 00:07:14,440 your awareness reaches a tipping point. 113 00:07:14,880 --> 00:07:18,600 Your body feels very distant. Your mind is clear. 114 00:07:19,040 --> 00:07:22,600 Sometimes the vibrations are there, sometimes they are not 115 00:07:22,600 --> 00:07:26,320 there, but there's a feeling that something has shifted. 116 00:07:26,720 --> 00:07:30,200 That's usually when it's time to begin. 117 00:07:30,600 --> 00:07:33,040 And here's something I think is really important. 118 00:07:33,480 --> 00:07:37,160 And exit technique isn't about forcing yourself out of the 119 00:07:37,160 --> 00:07:39,200 body. You're not trying to pull 120 00:07:39,200 --> 00:07:42,520 yourself out with effort. You're simply given your 121 00:07:42,520 --> 00:07:45,400 awareness, a direction to move in. 122 00:07:45,600 --> 00:07:48,680 That's all. Think of it like imagining 123 00:07:48,680 --> 00:07:51,760 yourself walking. If I asked you right now to 124 00:07:51,760 --> 00:07:55,200 imagine taking a few steps through your living room, you 125 00:07:55,200 --> 00:07:58,560 could probably do it instantly. You're not moving your physical 126 00:07:58,560 --> 00:08:02,880 legs, you're imagining movement. And that's exactly what we're 127 00:08:02,880 --> 00:08:05,840 doing here. The only difference is that your 128 00:08:05,840 --> 00:08:10,320 body is now deeply relaxed, and your awareness is much closer to 129 00:08:10,320 --> 00:08:13,200 that threshold between waking and sleep. 130 00:08:13,960 --> 00:08:18,000 So the imagine movement can begin to feel incredibly real, 131 00:08:18,280 --> 00:08:22,240 and sometimes so real that it no longer feels imagined at all. 132 00:08:22,560 --> 00:08:25,520 That's when the experience starts unfolding. 133 00:08:26,320 --> 00:08:29,040 There are quite a few exit techniques, but they're all 134 00:08:29,040 --> 00:08:33,679 built around the same idea. They simply give awareness 135 00:08:33,679 --> 00:08:38,880 somewhere to go. One of the most well known is 136 00:08:38,880 --> 00:08:42,600 the rolling technique. You imagine slowly rolling out 137 00:08:42,600 --> 00:08:45,600 of bed. Not physically of course, just 138 00:08:45,600 --> 00:08:48,480 mentally. Don't think about your muscles, 139 00:08:48,480 --> 00:08:53,280 don't wonder if you're actually moving, simply imagine yourself 140 00:08:53,360 --> 00:08:56,440 rolling onto the floor beside your bed. 141 00:08:57,200 --> 00:08:59,840 At first it might feel like nothing is happening. 142 00:09:00,240 --> 00:09:03,320 Then suddenly the movement starts to take on life on its 143 00:09:03,320 --> 00:09:07,880 own. Another technique is sitting up. 144 00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:11,520 Again, you're not using your physical body, you simply 145 00:09:11,520 --> 00:09:13,960 imagine yourself sitting up naturally. 146 00:09:14,600 --> 00:09:17,920 Some people find this easier because it's such a familiar 147 00:09:17,920 --> 00:09:20,880 movement. You don't need to see yourself 148 00:09:20,880 --> 00:09:24,120 doing it, just feel yourself sitting up. 149 00:09:25,040 --> 00:09:28,600 Sometimes that's enough for the separation to happen almost 150 00:09:28,640 --> 00:09:33,160 effortlessly. Another method is floating. 151 00:09:33,520 --> 00:09:39,280 Imagine yourself becoming lighter and lighter, as though 152 00:09:39,280 --> 00:09:42,160 gravity is slowly losing its grip. 153 00:09:42,600 --> 00:09:46,520 You might imagine floating toward the ceiling or gently 154 00:09:46,520 --> 00:09:49,040 lifting upward, almost like a balloon. 155 00:09:49,800 --> 00:09:53,040 Don't force the sensation, just stay with the feeling of 156 00:09:53,040 --> 00:09:56,640 becoming lighter. Sometimes you'll notice that the 157 00:09:56,640 --> 00:10:00,080 floating begins on its own. You may even feel yourself 158 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:04,960 gently swaying or drifting. If that happens, simply go with 159 00:10:04,960 --> 00:10:08,600 it. Another popular technique is the 160 00:10:08,600 --> 00:10:12,400 rope technique. Imagine there's a rope hanging 161 00:10:12,400 --> 00:10:15,600 above you. Without moving your physical 162 00:10:15,600 --> 00:10:18,600 arms, imagine reaching up and climbing it. 163 00:10:19,200 --> 00:10:23,880 Feel each hand moving. Feel yourself pulling upward. 164 00:10:24,200 --> 00:10:27,120 The movement itself becomes the focus. 165 00:10:28,080 --> 00:10:32,840 Sometimes, after only a few imagined pools, you'll notice 166 00:10:32,840 --> 00:10:37,040 that your awareness feels like it's rising independently of 167 00:10:37,040 --> 00:10:41,680 your physical body. Some people imagine walking 168 00:10:41,680 --> 00:10:44,880 through a doorway. Others imagine moving through a 169 00:10:44,920 --> 00:10:49,840 window or simply drifting forward into the room. 170 00:10:50,160 --> 00:10:53,120 The exact image doesn't matter very much. 171 00:10:53,640 --> 00:10:56,880 What matters is that it feels natural to you. 172 00:10:57,680 --> 00:11:00,840 Remember what we talked about in the previous episode? 173 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:04,800 Different people connect with different kinds of imagination. 174 00:11:05,560 --> 00:11:09,560 Some people are naturally visual, some connect more with 175 00:11:09,560 --> 00:11:14,600 movement, some hardly visualize anything at all, but can 176 00:11:14,600 --> 00:11:19,800 strongly feel imagined motion. There's no single right way. 177 00:11:19,920 --> 00:11:24,000 Use whatever feels the most natural for your own mind. 178 00:11:24,920 --> 00:11:27,680 And here's something else I've learnt over the years. 179 00:11:28,040 --> 00:11:31,040 Sometimes you don't even need an exit technique. 180 00:11:31,640 --> 00:11:35,760 Sometimes, once you're deeply relaxed and your awareness is 181 00:11:35,760 --> 00:11:38,440 steady, separation simply happens. 182 00:11:39,160 --> 00:11:43,200 You suddenly realize you're floating, or standing beside 183 00:11:43,200 --> 00:11:46,120 your bed, or walking through your house. 184 00:11:46,880 --> 00:11:50,600 It can happen so naturally that afterwards you wonder exactly 185 00:11:50,600 --> 00:11:53,960 when it started. That's completely normal to the 186 00:11:53,960 --> 00:11:57,680 techniques aren't creating the experience, they're simply 187 00:11:57,680 --> 00:12:00,760 helping awareness make the final transition. 188 00:12:01,280 --> 00:12:05,040 So don't become attached to one particular technique. 189 00:12:05,720 --> 00:12:08,440 If rolling doesn't feel natural, try floating. 190 00:12:08,800 --> 00:12:12,200 If floating doesn't work for you, maybe sitting up does. 191 00:12:12,720 --> 00:12:15,080 Just experiment. Stay curious. 192 00:12:15,840 --> 00:12:19,600 Over time, you'll discover which approach your mind responds to 193 00:12:19,600 --> 00:12:24,280 most easily, and once you find one that clicks, you'll probably 194 00:12:24,280 --> 00:12:27,360 find yourself returning to it again and again. 195 00:12:28,520 --> 00:12:31,400 So let's just bring everything together. 196 00:12:31,600 --> 00:12:34,680 The process really isn't as complicated as it sometimes 197 00:12:34,680 --> 00:12:38,760 seems. First, you relax the body, then 198 00:12:38,760 --> 00:12:41,800 you give the mind something simple to focus on. 199 00:12:42,480 --> 00:12:46,680 As you stay with that focus, the body continues drifting towards 200 00:12:46,680 --> 00:12:49,360 sleep while your awareness stays present. 201 00:12:50,240 --> 00:12:54,080 At some point, you may begin to notice that something is 202 00:12:54,080 --> 00:12:57,120 changing. Maybe it's vibrations, maybe 203 00:12:57,120 --> 00:13:01,000 it's a feeling of floating, maybe your body suddenly feels 204 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:04,720 incredibly distant. Whatever it is, you don't have 205 00:13:04,720 --> 00:13:06,680 to chase it. Just stay with it. 206 00:13:07,320 --> 00:13:11,840 And when the moment feels right, simply allow your awareness to 207 00:13:11,840 --> 00:13:15,760 move through one of the exit techniques we talked about 208 00:13:15,760 --> 00:13:18,960 today. Some nights it will happen, some 209 00:13:18,960 --> 00:13:21,480 nights it won't. And that's perfectly fine. 210 00:13:22,360 --> 00:13:25,200 Every time you practice, you're becoming more familiar with the 211 00:13:25,200 --> 00:13:28,160 process. You're learning how your own 212 00:13:28,160 --> 00:13:30,720 mind works. You're learning what helps you 213 00:13:30,720 --> 00:13:35,240 relax, what helps you stay aware, and what helps you make 214 00:13:35,240 --> 00:13:39,080 that final transition. That familiarity is one of the 215 00:13:39,080 --> 00:13:43,200 biggest teachers you can have. Now, before we finish, I just 216 00:13:43,200 --> 00:13:46,760 want to thank you for joining me over these last few episodes. 217 00:13:47,240 --> 00:13:49,760 We've now covered the three foundations of astral 218 00:13:49,760 --> 00:13:54,520 projection, relaxation, creating focus, and the transition into 219 00:13:54,520 --> 00:13:56,720 separation using exit techniques. 220 00:13:57,040 --> 00:13:58,920 Everything else builds from here. 221 00:13:59,480 --> 00:14:02,760 In the next episode, I'd like to answer some of the questions 222 00:14:02,760 --> 00:14:05,960 that come up most often. Things like sleep paralysis, 223 00:14:05,960 --> 00:14:10,000 fear, what to do if nothing seems to happen, and some of the 224 00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:12,240 experiences you might have along the way. 225 00:14:12,600 --> 00:14:15,840 So if you've been wondering about any of those things, we'll 226 00:14:15,840 --> 00:14:19,880 explore them together next time. And if you'd like to continue 227 00:14:19,880 --> 00:14:23,200 learning and connect with others exploring these experiences, I'd 228 00:14:23,200 --> 00:14:27,640 love for you to join the Astral Gateway community on Facebook. 229 00:14:28,200 --> 00:14:31,720 You'll also find some useful links in the episode description 230 00:14:31,720 --> 00:14:34,640 if you'd like to explore these techniques in more depth. 231 00:14:35,280 --> 00:14:39,400 Thank you so much for listening. Until next time, stay present, 232 00:14:39,520 --> 00:14:41,880 stay curious, and keep exploring. 233 00:14:42,320 --> 00:14:42,880 Take care.