I loved this question that randomly well, there's there's a
lot to unpack here Randomly at like 8:00 to 9:00 in the
morning, I was I found myself sitting at a table in a three
bedroom Granville at Boardwalk Villas across from Jeff Hasman.
And his question to me was tell me something I don't know about
you. And I thought that was a great
question. And so I am going to ask Panda
today. Panda, tell me something I don't
know about you. I got to think, I mean, you
know, I did TV commercials as a kid.
I'm just thinking of something that's weird that.
You might have, I didn't. Know that Amy did.
Not OK, That's so. That's good.
OK, so there's a Mead Traffic Keeper notebook commercial.
It's on YouTube. That's pretty popular.
For real. If you go to YouTube, hold on.
Oh my God. So they're asking where your
homework is and I come on with this shot, take my brother's
holding it for ransom, $35,000. I get paid for that.
What? And we were and we were on
welfare, so that was a great payday at the Wow.
So I need to get we all need to get into commercials.
That's all I heard like. But listen, I auditioned for
like 10 of them, you know, and I got and and they, you know, it
was a chubby Italian. They didn't ask for that for
these commercials, but that's what I always obviously went
for. You know, that was my thing.
And a lot of times I didn't fit the with the bill.
But for this traffic keeper notebook, they were just like,
yeah, this is great. We're going to take this guy.
This is not the last time we're going to ask.
This question like I could watch it at.
I will, I will. I also.
Hey everybody, and welcome to this week's episode of The DVC
Show. I'm your host, Paul Krieger, and
I'm joined this week, as always, by my lovely wife, Amy Krieger.
Hello, the man on the spaceship to Pluto, John Sakaryak, a big
fat panda. Welcome home peoples.
We've got Jeff Haslam in the house with us, as always.
Looking for him. I don't see him.
And the one the only the Derek de Boer BBC recent market.
I know I'm just upset 'cause I, I thought I was going to go say,
so that was going to be my joke was doing all this and now all
of a sudden you're cutting to Jeff's second.
So he just stole my joke. So never.
That's 'cause you, you've, you've derailed me so many
times, like at that point that I just, I can't recover from it.
And I just want to start this week's show, you know?
Thank you all for watching and and listening.
We've we started doing these like cold opens to this show
probably several months ago at this point.
Like legit, these guys don't have any clue what I'm going to
ask. And and in between shows.
I just went to the restroom and I didn't know what I was going
to ask for this show, but it came to mind Jeff's question to
me the other day. And how perfect does that end
like? That is a good question.
It it's a great question, but I think it just, it points to our
friendship. It points to just how how much
fun we have together in all of these and how that segues
perfectly. Trapper Keeper homework teacher
students, because that is this week's episode of the DVC show.
I can't write this stuff. It's absolutely.
Tread, it was in, it was in a school.
Wow. OK, Yeah.
There you go and that is what this weeks episode is all about.
We are talking about some lesser known Disney Vacation Club roles
and our our teacher in the house today, the one the only Amy
Krieger wrote two amazing articles for DVC fan on this
topic. And so we were joking at the
beginning of the show. Why don't we just let the show
run as Amy's our teacher and she's going to teach us these
rules and we will raise our hands and ask questions as we
learn things or as we just want to cause chaos.
And you you've missed teaching for so many years now.
OK, I don't I don't know how in depth I should go on camera, but
so. So I taught in public schools
for 11 years, 7th grade English and yeah.
And, and then I, I left teaching to move to Florida with my
lovely husband. And now I work for Monera.
And that was like, what, three years ago?
I feel like it's been been a while.
So a lot of people don't realize, like when you're a
teacher, you are like creating your own content, creating your
own lessons and, and you're planning everything out.
And, and you cannot, especially when you're working with middle
school kids, like you cannot let a second of like your
transitions have to be smooth or they lose focus.
And so like that's your worst nightmare is like being in front
of kids and not knowing what you're doing.
So for some reason, I have not been a teacher for three years
now. The last couple of months I told
Paul this. I was like, I keep having this
dream that I'm back in my old classroom and I'm in front of
all these kids and I don't know what I'm doing and I'm supposed
to be teaching them and I have no clue what I'm doing.
And it's happened like four Times Now.
I've had this dream. I don't know what that means.
That's what you it's just, it's just something that gives you
anxiety and it's gonna come up. Until this is that dream
realized. And so when you said we should
do the show like you're the teacher and we're gonna like
Heckle you, it's like I'm like deer in the headlights like I
this, this is a dream. It's coming back.
It's like real life now. Derek had his hand up.
Do you want to call on him or do you want me?
To I was just gonna ask Miss Missus Krieger, can I go to the
restroom now? I wish I could blow a spit wad
at my. Camera.
Wow. Wow.
Yeah, yeah, I'm gonna have a nightmare tonight.
I'm just. I just know it.
But anyhow, yes, this week's episode is all about there's a
lot of subtle rules when it comes to being a Disney Vacation
Club member. And.
And unless you are like us and you've spent hours upon hours
reading 215 page odd pages of offering statements and all of
the wonderful stuff that gets filed when you have to file a
timeshare in the state of Florida.
Unless in your spare time, you like to read that like we do,
then you probably don't know about some of it, but some of it
is very interesting and there are some unique rules that are
out there as it comes to Disney Vacation Club.
So we said, you know, why not cover them?
Amy's going to kind of talk about them and we're going to
learn what we can throughout the show.
But before we get to that, as always, if you love our content
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But all right, I'm, I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna call her
Mrs. Krieger, or else I'll get in trouble later.
But I haven't heard that for a long time.
Yeah. No, just just what you said This
these are things and and when I when I wrote the first article
at the end, I kind of was like, you know, this might interest
you or you might have been bored out of your gourd, you know, I
don't know. And I literally use those words.
But these are things that I just find so interesting and, you
know, because then things happen like during during the pandemic
where they changed the borrowing roles and then everyone's like,
well, you can't do that. Why are you doing that?
And well, yeah, they can, you know, and this is actually what
used to be and this is the roles.
And and so those are kind of things I just think are
interesting to share, you know, with with our audience.
So I figured I'd just we'd just get into it and and we can we
can talk about it and maybe what it means.
And if you have any questions. And Paul just took the screen I
was looking at. So Nope, go ahead.
So, so the first one I thought was really interesting is that
the home resort booking window can change.
So right now, you know, everybody knows 11 months out if
you own that resort, you can book there and then everyone
else who has eligible points, but not owning that resort has
to wait until seven months out. And that is something that can
actually be changed by DVC. So in the home resort rules and
regulations, it actually says they they always say the DVC
operator can increase or decrease the length of the home
resort period. However, it has to be at least
one month. So they really only have to give
owners one month of booking window before they open it up to
everybody else. So I thought that that was
really interesting. One thing that they do use when
it comes to this rule is that during the initial opening of
each DVC resort, they also are allowed to modify the
reservation windows to give a greater priority to those who
own there, which we saw them do that at Riviera, We saw them do
that at Disneyland, at Fort Wilderness, at the Grand
Floridian. So even though you're you're
already like within the seven month window, they give like a
little window for owners, you know, and then open it up to
everybody else. So I always thought that was a
really interesting. Just putting it in context, we
can like like we're talking about the home resort window,
they can shorten that window. Yeah, it could.
You could be six months for owners and five months for non
owners if they wanted to. I wonder how they ever settled
on 11 and seven like I wondered how that was.
I know I always wish it was. Yeah, why not a Why not a even
year? Or.
Whatever. It's an odd.
It's an odd, odd choice. Someone, someone out there
probably knows. Someone's probably studied this
a lot more than we have and. Actually, yeah.
Where? Where's Doc?
Where's Webmaster? Doc, we should have probably,
yeah, we should have had him back for this show for sure.
Well, an even year would be easier to like keep track of
right, 'cause you're like, OK, today is.
Right, right, right. May 16th so I can book May 16th
next year right now. Like that would be so much
easier to think about. Logical, but I think that I
think Amy, and I think you might have mentioned it in your
original article that that I think overall, if that ever does
come about, it's a good thing, you know, meaning for those
owners at that resort. So you need to get a head start
over people that don't own at that resort.
So I would hope when the new Polynesian towers, whenever they
decide to start taking that give owners of the Polynesian a jump
start over someone that owns at a different resort, whether it's
a month, two months, it's not going to be 11 months.
We all know that, but a little bit of a head start.
So yeah, I think. That's a good.
Thing, right? And we're hoping to see that at
the Polynesian at the tower, since we have Polynesian points.
So OK, let's Scroll down so I can see the next step.
Oh you're already there. I thought it was that one.
I'm sorry. So this is, I feel like this is
along the along a similar lines is that they can impose.
So the minimum night stay for any DVC ever is one night, but
they are allowed to impose periods of time.
It could be like a holiday or a special event or a whole season
or whatever where they actually impose a minimum night
requirement and it can be up to five nights.
So for, for like those of us that are local, that book, you
know, like one night at a time, they can say, you know,
throughout the Christmas season, you must have, you know, a four
nights day, a five nights day, and you can't book anything
shorter than X amount of nights. That would be an issue that.
Never comes about. That would be me too, because it
it almost reminds me of when I happen to look for like, hey,
let's do a little staycation not at Disney, but like say, oh, I
found this really cool place on the beach and you're like, this
is awesome. This resort's perfect.
It looks like it's available. You go to book it for one night
or two nights and they're like, no, it has to be 7.
And you're like. Oh, and I can't do it.
But if don't do that with DBC points, 'cause if they take that
away, that one would infuriate me 'cause that is, that's what
makes us different from any other timeshare, is the ability
to just say, you know, check in any day you want, check out any
day you want, stay for one night, come back the next week
if you want. So yeah, I hope that one never
comes to fruition. I, I guess I just don't see the
angle that they're going for with that one.
Like, I understand the holiday policy and everything, but it
doesn't matter who's staying there.
It's like everyone's gonna spend money, right?
They have they have to clean that room though if you're
staying for one night. That's true.
We know how many one nights we used to do at Grand Villas and I
thought wow, for one night it's a lot of cleaning.
Yeah, that is a big housekeeping is a big point.
That could be a big because. The more one nights there are,
the more the more cleaning you got, but that would be that
would be kind of a slap in the face to local.
Oh yeah, big time. Local DVC members.
All my stays are one and two nights.
All of them. Yeah, so.
That would be hard. I'll be like, I'm totally fine
staying in a dirty room for one night.
I agree. So this one, this one comes up a
lot in the DVC fan group where people ask, you know, about
transferring points. And whenever we give advice on
this topic, we always disclaimer it with, you know, just so you
know, points that are transferred are actually
technically prohibited from receiving compensation.
So that's why you can't go to DVC resale market and buy
transfer points because in the home resort rules and
regulations document, it literally says, says the words
expressively prohibited. So basically transfer points are
designed for and we've done, we've done this before.
So we booked A2 bedroom villa with friends that were running
the race with us and we wanted to be together.
So we called and we transferred them points so that they could,
you know what I mean? That's what it's meant for, for
for friends and family members getting together, booking
something maybe larger or even giving, you know, points to a
member or something like that. But technically you're not
supposed to sell transferred points.
Yeah, we get that question a lot at rental store too from members
like trying to supplement their membership like can I buy 25
points? No, you know, there's obviously
one time use points within the zero to seven month booking
window that you can supplement your membership with.
But technically you cannot buy points to supplement your
membership in a in a financial transaction like this.
So it's gotta be. I have a question.
Yeah. Can members pool points
together? Let's say I had 100 points, Jeff
has 100 points. We won a grand villa, that's 200
we could do. That Yep.
So that's what the transfer is supposed to be for.
But where the challenge comes in is that every member technically
only gets one transfer per use year in or out.
So if you put gave your points, transfer them to Jeff and let's
say all of us wanted to share, then we can't to transfer any
points to Jeff for that same booking because he already
received a transfer for that year.
That's it for the year so. It's, it's, you know, limited,
Yeah. The other hand transfer.
And it's kind of a pain, right? Like you both have to be on the
phone at the same time with member services and they don't
know the secret handshake and. And then if you do if like if
Jeff had the points like they don't show up all the time.
Yeah, the technology doesn't always.
Work in your online account. So it causes chaos with that.
And the other thing with transfers that a lot of people
aren't aren't familiar with is that transfers retain their home
resort and their their booking priority window.
So like you know, Jeff owns primarily at old Key West Panda
you own at Riviera. So if you transferred in those
points thinking that you were got you guys were trying to get
like a grand Pilla at old Key West, you couldn't do that till
the zero to seven month window came along to to kind of use
those points together. So they retain all of their same
principles, so. Am I supposed to call on people?
Is that how? This works.
He's the teacher, I'm not. What's up, Derek?
So question misses Krieger. So if I'm a member, am I only
allowed to receive points once a year or give transfer points
once a year? Or does either or transaction
count as one? Either or counts as one.
Yep. So it's one in or out.
So that limits a lot. Yeah.
And so that's why a lot of times when you see members, sometimes
we'll see members on the Facebook group.
They're like, hey, I've got two points left.
I don't want them to go away. Does anybody want them?
I'll transfer them to you. It's almost not worth it to take
that one that that those two points below your one transfer
for the whole year. So, you know, you have to kind
of think wisely about that. If if you don't, you know, if
you may not ever need to transfer points in the future,
then it doesn't matter. But we like to combine points
and stuff with friends and and and sometimes book larger
accommodations so. And there is one exception to
that and that is if you are transferring within your own
membership. So people that own multiple
contracts that have multiple users, if you would want to
transfer within your own membership then you can do that
and I. Believe you can do that as many
times. It's not a written role, it's
just the fact that DVC doesn't usually ever count members
transferring amongst their own contracts against their one
transfer, but they could if they wanted to.
Another question. I think I know the answer to
this. It's not my situation, but I'm
going to ask as though it was. I have December use Sharepoints
and I also have what's another use here month.
February. February you SharePoint and
they're both, you know, making me crazy on my contract.
Is there ever a way to say, hey, I would just like both of them
to be December and somehow make this one in No, once it's done,
you sure it's done? You can.
Sell the one contract with Derek over at DVC resale market and
then buy the use year that you should have bought the first
time around and. Got you.
That fixes your problem. So good to know.
So with that in mind, hey, you passed it up.
Hold on. Well I guess 3 paragraphs.
Transfers are not supposed to receive compensation.
However, renting is okay and that is expressed throughout the
documentation of the public offering statements and home
resort rules and regulations. And the reason that renting is
okay is because the largest renter of DVC points is DVC
themselves and they are calling it what it is with the new
Polytower. They're even saying, you know,
cash rentals are available for DVC members to book starting
this day. Cash rentals are available for
annual pass holders of books during this day and then
everybody else on this day. So they are renting those
points. They do it when they own the
points. They do it when they get points
through exchanges, like people exchange, you know, into the
cruise and the Disney collection.
They get those points and they can rent them.
They just the rental process for them looks different because you
just see a cash day. On their website, like you would
book a hotel. So it's just, it's just a
little, a little different. But they mentioned renting
several times throughout the the documentation and they do they
do say, you know, commercial renting.
They used to define commercial renting as one owner, one, one
membership renting like 20 more than 20 times.
They, they, they removed that language.
They didn't really attach the number to it anymore.
But, and you know, if you are just renting a couple times a
year or your, you know, your points are not getting used.
Paul and I rent a few times a year because we have not made it
out to Grand Californian since we bought points there because
we, we, we lucked out and got to stay at the seven month window
with our Animal Kingdom points. The next year after that we
stayed at the Disneyland Villas because they reopened.
So the last two years I'm not losing those valuable points.
We rented them out to help defray the cost of some of our
other travel. And so that's not commercial
renting the the the average normal renter who works with,
you know, like a a business like DVC rental store, that's not
commercial. Yeah, we get that question a lot
over at rental store. We have people that are like,
but I'm scared, is Disney gonna? Is Disney mad that I'm renting
my points? It's like no, Disney does not
care that you are renting, your points do.
They even they know when you rent your points.
Why couldn't you be giving it to a relative?
Technically, that grand villa this weekend was not our points.
So we we were, we, we kind of were like renters.
And did you notice any differences?
Yeah, no. No.
And, and, and I think at the end of the day, it's all like,
where's the burden of proof? So, you know, we know how bad
Disney's technology is as it is. So they have to do a lot of
homework to figure out, you know, if they want to like, call
you a commercial renter. And I'm not going to sit here
and say it doesn't happen. I have seen it happen to people.
I have seen it people breach some of these rules.
We're talking excessive renting. Yeah, we are talking excessive
renting. We are talking people that break
the rule of what they used to define as more than 20
reservations in a calendar, rolling calendar year.
The other one that they've been very, very strict on over the
years is how many points you own per membership.
It's 4000 per resort or 8000 across all resorts would be your
maximums. And so if you breach that or you
breach that 20 limit, I think those are the things that then
put you on their radar. And I mean they, they can
aggressively crack down on you if they if they suspect this,
but. At the end of the day, most of
us don't own that many points 5. 4000 points.
I don't think I'd be sitting here doing this podcast right
now, but. Now you'd be at work to be
doing. It from the grand villa that you
live in. That is exactly but.
Hey, one more thing just to kind of add to that, which is very,
very important is, but you guys, it's great that you brought up
the difference between transferring point and and
renting points. Just because there's a reason
that world of DVC doesn't have a, you know, DVC transfer store.
You know, we don't have it. It's DVC rental store.
But it's important for folks to know, just like Amy talked about
too. Is that why is it when I go
online, there's no DVC availability for members, but I
can still rent or I could still rent A room.
That's what we hear all the time is that people need to realize,
like you said, Miss Amy is that it's Disney owns, right.
They sell 98% of all the inventory is for members.
So that means there's 2% behind that is left for Disney to do
whatever they want to do. So it's completely different
inventory. So when you're logging in and
you say why is it booked, I don't understand 'cause I could
rent it for $1000 a night but I can't use my points.
It's completely different inventory, so keep that in mind.
Yeah. And take that a step further, I
mean, they do all of these exchanges through Disney Cruise
Line, through Adventures by Disney.
Right, they don't just throw those points in the dumpster.
Yeah. They're not just taking your
points and saying, hey, thanks and then just not doing anything
with them. They're renting rooms with them.
And we spoke on one of our more recent shows about this and how
we think that this is probably part of the strategic plan that
that Disney Vacation Club has embarked on.
I think they have. They've acknowledged the amount
of money that they can make on rentals is significant.
And why not do as much as possible themselves with these
places like the cabins at Fort Wilderness, while also probably
getting considerable tax breaks by having it and calling it a
vacation club property. So they're benefiting on the tax
breaks, insurance, all of those categories while they're renting
their rooms and making more money.
I would love, I, you know, we, we see Disney's quarterly
earnings and everything. I'd love to see the breakdown
for Disney vacation. Oh yeah.
Because I, I imagine that that number is much, much higher than
we anticipate it being, you know, rivaling kind of the sales
numbers that, that they make from selling points as well.
Not a good point because look at Aulani that they've been selling
since forever ago and will sell until it expires.
But normally if that situation were to happen to anybody else,
they'd be bankrupt and they would have closed that resort.
But they have no problem renting Aulani rooms.
That is one of the most popular hotels on Aulani, you know, so
that that does make sense. That tracks.
OK, this one's just kind of a fun one and and a no means are
we going to overthrow the DVC voting government, but so
control of the association. So basically according to the
public offering statement DVD. So Disney vacation development
is the authorized voting representative for each unit.
So each unit is each resort and they are the ones that cast the
vote at the condo association on behalf of all members, but based
on that. So they have full voting control
pretty much. So basically it is possible for,
you know, like somebody else to take control, I guess of the
voting. But basically what you have to
do is you have to instruct in writing in advance of the
meeting and enough owners have to basically like sign off on it
that own that unit. It's like 60% of the ownership.
So basically if, if I wanted to be the voting voice of Boardwalk
Villas, I have to own there and then I have to get 60% of the
membership to basically like back me up in writing.
So, so I thought that was interesting, but obviously it's
not something you want to do because it's, it would be quite
hectic I think, but. We've joked about it.
We'd love Derek to become the the President of the.
Association or or. But could you imagine what you
have to deal with at that point like you have to now deal?
With You're right, Derek, huh. Right.
Oh, and this is 60% of the ownership of the points.
So like you have to get 60% of the point ownership together.
We're talking like millions. It's.
Funny that you brought this because this came up at the
condo association meeting last year.
There were two people that asked the, you know, when they wait in
line to ask the questions at the end.
The first question was, will Polly be part of the new
associate or, you know, existing association?
And then the two behind them were like, how do we be the
board? Because we don't necessarily
agree with what you're doing. And the, it was almost like the
air got sucked out of the room for a minute because you could
tell they didn't have enough time to explain what, what
actually needed to take place. And so they just kind of hold it
over and said, you know, we're, it's in the contracts and blah,
blah, blah, blah, blah. And.
It. It never works out well when the
crew asks the captain how can we do mutiny the.
Captain doesn't usually. Give the right information.
And I'm, and I'm not a lawyer, so I don't really pretend to
know the technicalities of it, but it is written there and it
is a thing. Offense, but how?
Can we overthrow you? Like our HOA recently took over,
like in Florida, we have homeowners associations, OK.
And this is maybe a good example, maybe it's not, but
certain developers at the end of their building process do turn
over the association to basically the residents.
Our community has had such a tough time of figuring this
stuff out. Like we have people quitting
left and right. I don't want a part of it.
Nope. So and so is complaining.
I don't. Nope.
Don't get me involved in that. I ain't gonna go knock on their
door and tell them their grass is too high.
It is like, like this is legitimately the thing.
And, and I don't think people that ask this question maybe at
the condo association realize like, OK, you're now responsible
for negotiating with the cast members who do housekeeping.
You're now responsible for the full maintenance.
You got to figure out, OK, what's the insurance like?
You know you. Don't want things like.
You just really don't want this. It takes a company, yeah.
Yeah, although, although I may anyone that's interested in
helping me with a coup for the boardwalk to get a good sports
bar and brewery, e-mail me. We have the space, or at least
we know where it's at. OK, that's.
Behind that food truck. All right, so, so that was
actually if you want to read more about that and see all I
actually in those articles, the first one's called DVC roles you
might not know about, I think. And the other one's called DVC
roles you might not know about Part 2.
So you can search for those in DVC fan and they will pop up.
And in part one, the first one, I pulled out all the language
and have screenshots of all the documents in case you want to
read the actual documentation. But anyway, this one's a little
different. It's not quite focusing on the,
you know, the home resort rules and regulations and the public
offering statements. This is more just general
things. I think some people tend to
forget. And, and so these are things
like holding points, you know, like what, what do you need to
know about holding points? So, so we have points in holding
right now and I think Jeff has points in holding right now.
And a lot of people don't realize if you cancel a stay
after 31 days before check in. So 30 days or less, your points
are going to go into holding, right.
But there is a there is a point where you lose them all together
is that day of if you cancel the day of.
Yeah. OK, so so 30 to one day you
have. To cancel one day before.
Checking your points go into the holding.
We, we, we think of it like a, kind of like a penalty box of
canceling late. And, and when that happens, you
can still book them, but you can only book them 60 days out.
It is a 60 day rolling window. So you know, so just because you
know, something you want isn't 60 days out yet, you can wait a
little longer until it gets into that, that window.
But at 60 days availability, you know, can be scarce.
So it can be a little bit of a challenge.
And then the other things that are important to know about
holding points is that no matter what, they expire at the end of
the youth year that you, you know, you used them in last and
you cannot bank them. You know, you can't borrow them,
you can't transfer them or anything like that.
There is a way to get your points out holding and it's a
little hard to explain and I'm not going to explain it in this
video because I did ADVC tip of the week and I explained it in
one minute 1 less than one minute.
So. Where can someone find the DVC
typically? I am glad you asked.
I sound like an infomercial. They are located in the DVC
YouTube channel and they are located under the shorts
section. Where else?
You know I'm not good with social media so that's all I
know. I think Instagram.
Instagram maybe? Maybe the tickety talk, but I
don't really know how to use that.
I've seen it on the Tickety talk.
It's on the Tickety talk. And I got to tell you so.
So Paul, it was Paul's idea. I thought it was a great idea,
but I wanted it to work for every platform.
So in order for that to happen, I was like, it has to be one
minute or less. So I have to get out whatever I
want to say in one minute or less.
And I was like, I don't want to have to do these all the time.
So I'm going to batch record a bunch of them.
So I recorded 16 of them at a time, you know, for 16 weeks.
And Derek, This is why you run out of shirts.
It's because you change your shirt all the time.
I changed my shirt 16 * 16 times because, OK, this, we record
three of these at once and people know that, right?
So I have the same shirt on most of you guys do except for Derek
not. Everyone knew that you.
Guys know. OK, now you know, I'm, I, I do
not wear this shirt three weeks in a row, but I was like 16
weeks. That would get sketchy.
Like people would start to wonder why I had the same shirt
on for 16 weeks, don't you think?
We had someone come up to us at DBC Fan Summerfest and they were
like, you sit for the better part of four hours and record
these shows and I'm like, yeah, we do.
It's easier than once, you know, trying to find time every single
week. But but anyway, yeah I so I
changed my shirt 16 times. I don't even think I have 16
shirts. I have a lot of clothes,
including a lot of clothes I need to dig out and find.
But anyway, so I was losing my train of thought.
I don't. Even know anyhow if you if you
tune into Amy's tip of the week, they come out on Wednesdays and
and she has a tip of the week telling you how you can get your
points out of holding coming up very, very soon.
Right. I don't know which number that
one is, but but it's it's coming up within the next whatever 14
weeks because we're already 22 into the 16.
So anyways, if you want to know how to get your points out a
holding, stay tuned to the DVC Tip of the Week.
Oh, it's week four. It'll be out before this show if
it goes up. That's.
Great. I'm sorry.
Well, so go back and find it and now you'll know.
All right, moving on. So we already talked about
transfer points. I don't know if I want to say
much else about those. Let's move down to one time use
points. We mentioned those earlier.
What are those? So so one time use points.
A lot of people don't realize they exist, especially when they
start talking about like oh can I get point transfers?
What can I do? I'm short by this many points.
So Disney will sell you up to 24 points once per US year now.
And they they have, they have fluctuated in price.
They used to be $19.00 then they went way up to like 22 and and
the first time I've ever seen anything come down in price.
They are now $20 which is $17.77 plus $1.16 in tax plus a dollar
seven in resort tax. Just in case you were wondering
what the breakdown was even though you didn't ask, but one
time use points. Basically let's say you're
booking a stay and you're a couple points short and you
don't have anything left to borrow or bank.
Or maybe you just don't want to borrow or bank.
You can call DDC and buy one time use points.
Now you can only buy them at the seven month window or less, so
you can't use them for like a home resort booking.
Basically they're giving you just kind of like random points,
like some like they're like Pharaoh or Hilton Head or Aulani
points or whatever. You don't know what they are.
Although sometimes they randomly show up and make it look like
you own at that resort. But they basically are just the
kind of round out a reservation. So you need to be booking it at
the time when you call and they will add those points, they'll
charge you for them and then you'll move on your day we've.
Bought them for a. Oh, we've bought them multiple
times when we first became DVC members, like like three or four
times. We bought one time use points
so. Anyone else ever bought any?
I never have. Nope.
Wow.
Just us. I just keep borrowing.
I'm I'm in a constant state of borrowing.
You're getting better though, Like you're getting closer to no
maybe. Next year will be better.
OK, Derek, you're going to see them.
No, I was just going to ask a question.
You might have covered it and maybe I didn't hear it, but can
I buy one time use points if I purchased my points on the
resale market? Oh, that is a great question,
Mr. Devore. And the answer to that is yes,
you can. There's no restrictions on what
type of owner you need to be to buy one time use points, but
something you do need to know about them is that the you
cannot get them refunded. If you decide not to use them.
You can cancel that stay and they will be in your account so
you can use them again. But they do expire at the end of
whatever use year you bought them in.
Yeah. I feel like we need like the
commercial, like the more, you know, like come up in between.
I know a guy that does commercials.
He's pretty good. I can't wait to watch that
commercial. That's that's gonna be great.
That's gonna come back to haunt him on this show.
I don't know how or why, but it's happening.
So something else that comes up a lot in in the message boards
and groups is related to the maximum amount of days that
you're allowed to book. And so a lot of people don't
realize that when they first go to book a reservation, let's say
that Panda wants to stay for two weeks and he's like ready.
He's at the 11 month window, He's got his Riviera points
ready. Panda is not going to be able to
book two weeks. He's only going to be able to
book seven nights. So you can actually only book 7
consecutive nights at the 11 month window.
And then as the next, as the next window opens up, you can
add, you can add a day and add a day and add a day for as long as
you need. OK, so that's only at the 11
month window that that occurs, but there is a maximum amount of
nights that you can stay on a single reservation.
Does anyone know what that is before Paul put it up on the
screen? This is it like 10 times.
Two, I'm going to say 3030 days. Wait, is 30 days the same as 30
nights? That timing was perfect.
That was amazing. 30 yes, so so you can only stay for a total of
30 before you have to check out yeah, you can check back into
somewhere else even the same resort and room category, but it
might not be the same room, but. I love how this is related to
like squatting. It's.
Squatting. Yeah, you can't squat.
Because your last sentence here said there might be a concern
over living somewhere longer than 30 days and the ability to
claim residency or tenancy, which I'm curious to see if this
like still becomes a thing or if they start to expand this
because Florida recently cracked down on squatting.
Yeah. Squatting rights.
And so that's. Interesting that was, that was
just that was just me making an assumption though, because I do
there is something related to 30 days and residency, you know
what I mean, so. I'd love to stand on DVC for 30
days, that'd be great. Could you imagine?
I see Jeff on the last day being like he's got 24 hours to Get Me
Out. Otherwise, I live here.
I just. Had a guy, I just had an awesome
member that listed probably close to, you know, 2000 points
with us for sale because he wound up buying a place down
here. And he would literally, he lives
up in Michigan, but he would also take his time to come down
here. You know, during the Michigan
winters, he would come down here and he would literally say, OK,
this these two weeks, it's just me.
So I just need a studio. Then my kids and my, you know,
other family's going to come Now we're going to do a two-bedroom
for three weeks and then over the holidays we're going to
switch over to this resort. So people do do it.
It is not. That.
Unique of a thing. It's true.
There was like our international friends do that a lot because
when they come, they come for long periods of time 2.
Weeks, right? Somebody that had been here for
two weeks from Germany. Mm, Hmm.
Yeah, three, sometimes three or more weeks, yeah.
And yeah, there's a lot of people that snowbird at DVC
resorts. And like you said, Derek, to
maximize their points, they'll they'll stay at a studio for so
long and then they'll go to a one bedroom for a few nights and
do laundry and then they'll go back to a studio.
I mean, it just depends, but a lot of people do stuff like
that. There's been like one or two
families too that have like done like Disney for a year.
So they've stayed on Disney property in some capacity for a
year. And then they and they play the
game between both cash bookings and DVC.
But you know, this rule comes into effect obviously for them,
but also it's also playing the game of like when do we need to
do laundry? OK, get the one bedroom like you
like it's. Like if you spent like if you
spent a whole year at DVC and you did like one month at each
resort, like like you would have to, to me, I would have to sit
down and strategize. Like, OK, I want to be at Copper
Creek through December because Christmas is amazing there.
And I want to be at, you know, Boardwalk during October because
you know what I mean? Like I feel like I would want to
be at certain resorts at certain times of the month.
Bay Lake Tower during Halloween so that I can walk to the
Halloween party and see the Halloween fireworks it.
Would be quite the be quite the project to like put that
together. Right.
So the last, the last thing that I wanted to talk about are
reservations across use years. And this comes up sometimes when
people go to book and they don't realize, but you know, whatever
your use year is matters and you actually cannot book a
reservation that crosses use years as a single reservation.
So our use year, for example, is February.
So our our use year runs February 1st until January 31st.
So if we have a stay that starts on, let's say like January 28th
and ends on like February 3rd, we would have to book January
28th to January 30, you know, or January 28th to February 1st as
one stay, February 1st to whatever date I said before, 3rd
as another stay. And then I don't even know if
you could combine those if they're the same.
Are you trying to look over the thing and be a creeper?
It's like Wilson from Home Improvement.
So you've got to share your eyes.
Wow. Let's all see who can be the
creepiest. So you cannot.
You cannot cross for use yours as a single bucking.
So some people don't realize that and it can affect like how
you're booking and confusing. So it can be confusing.
There's not, there's not going to be a pop quiz on this, is
there? There will be a quiz at the end.
I swear I heard a rumor once that the DVC wishes that they
never did U Sears and that it's just really confusing and like
it should have just all been. Here's your points.
It's it's it's more confusing because there's not a U seer for
every month. Like, I think it would be a
little bit more logical then, but it's like I I still to this
day can't tell you how many people think that their points
expire at the end of the calendar year.
And it's like no matter how many ways I've tried to ask the
question, it can always be confusing.
Like the best way that I put it anymore is it's like, what,
what, what day do your points magically appear in your account
every, every every year? Like that's that's the easiest
way to kind of get near that question, but even some people
are confused on that. And then some people think their
points expire, like when the banking deadline comes or it's
just. Or even like February, like they
if you have a February youth year, they think it's February
1st, but it's not the day before that, correct?
Yeah, it would be the night. Yeah, your last night would be
like January 31st that you could stay on property.
Only get a lot of people that get confused when their use year
is December because it's so close to the next.
Year. Year.
It blows people's minds. That's right.
Yeah, it does. You are always a year behind and
and and. Like literally only one month is
in the normal year, yeah. I don't know the best wish I
guess I could do that. So like here, like this is what
I do with people like I, I make charts and stuff with points
When when I when I kind of chart everything out when those.
People had to kill a dragonfly first.
Exactly, but I have to bucket points into certain brackets to
figure out, OK, what are we talking about and will it work?
The specific example right there was actually a great example
similar to the yours that you did with the February US year
where I had a a a gentleman that was looking to rent points and
we had an opportunity to ramp points.
But the reservation was like January 26th to February 3rd.
And I had to kind of explain that he couldn't book that
reservation because of that. You know, no matter what he did,
like, even if he had the points in both US years and he wanted
to use them right, it couldn't be done you.
Can't give a guess of a split reservation that wants a whole
reservation. Yeah, you would want.
The guest is expecting to be able to stay in the same villa
the entire time. We're talking about this like
it's normal, but I can't believe they can't have the system book
the trip and say these points right here for these nights came
from here and these nights came from there.
It's it's just seems a little silly.
Oh, it's yeah, it's totally just the technology, you know, and
and also to themselves and also they're creating, they're
creating split stays on their own.
That don't need to happen, you know, because people do jump use
yours. Like people will like they're
not going to let this, you know, prohibit whatever they plan to
do for their vacation. But now they are going to have
to check out. And in some instances, you know,
they're going to have to check out of that room and check into
a new room. And now housekeeping had to
clean that room when they really didn't have to.
Now, they are good in certain circumstances of, you know,
marking the reservations and basically making it so that
you're in the same room and not make it.
But there's never any guarantee. It's just like when you call and
you're trying to change your reservation or move something
and you release a reservation and they're like, hey, someone
could snag it in the next .2 milliseconds before I press
enter. Like they have to give you that
disclaimer to let you know that that's that's a possibility,
yeah. Yeah, that's all I got.
What's? Up here was.
I was just going to add to that, if anybody out there watching,
and again, we have such a great audience and a lot of folks
because I hear them all the time, will say we just love
watching the show. We're not a member yet.
Don't let all of this stuff kind of confuse you or make you think
that the club is super confusing or anything else.
We're just having fun. So there's a lot of, you know,
DBC nerds out there that we love to talk about this stuff and
kind of go deep in the weeds. But again, that's what we're
here for. So at the, you know, DBC Resell
Market, reach out to us with any questions.
If you're just learning how this club works, we promise you it
really is at the end of the day a very simple, easy to use club.
This is just fun, nerdy stuff that we like to do from time to
time. Yeah, that is a great
disclaimer. Yeah.
And, and honestly, Paul and I successfully used our membership
for several years without knowing any of that stuff.
Yeah. So we were not smart members in
the beginning either. So it.
Right. You have to learn and
experience, you know, experience.
Learning. Learn by doing right, whatever.
That's all I got. So you know, class dismissed I
guess. Hey.
That was a good that was a good class.
Yeah. If you have questions about any
of these rules or if you if you think of any yourself, you know,
please put those in the comments.
As always, you know, like and subscribe to our YouTube channel
for more and also head to DBC fan dot com so that you can read
these articles that Amy wrote. They go into a little bit more
detail on everything related to the rules that we discussed and
a little bit more than what I was putting up on screen for
those of you actually. Watching the show and what
e-mail do you guys want me to send the quiz to?
John@bigflatpanda.com. All right, well we hope you guys
enjoyed this and we didn't bore you too much.
I thought it was fun, but I. Found your.
Homework. I have no idea how that has
happened. Nice work.
Jeff, I don't know what else to do, but I'll tell you all that
we enjoyed talking with you and we will see you all next Monday.