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Amy's done this several times 
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be a fun way to start this 
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the archives of one of your 
social media accounts and find a

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random picture. 
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where, but she did her deep dive
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with, OK. 
This was from May of 2016. 

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Wow. 
Panda, do you remember this 

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moment as to why you donned a 
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OK, wait, I yeah, I was in. 
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convention, the theme park 
convention, IAPA, I think. 

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IAPA, yeah. 
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OK. 
That's coming together more. 

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OK. 
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banner and it's a big place. 
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IAPA and I took a picture. 
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Well, you got funny. 
With my little camera bag in my 

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water, my hand sound. 
Pre pre pre pandemic too, you 

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were ahead of the curve. 
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around your neck, not like, not 
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just. 
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thing, this was the style in 
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It actually hurt. 
It hurt my posture doing that. 

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It really did. 
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camera was heavier at one point 
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neck and got. 
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We may have it. 
Everybody and welcome to this 

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week's episode of The DVC Show. 
I'm your host, Paul Krieger, 

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joined as always by my lovely 
wife, Amy Krieger. 

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Hello, We've got John. 
Scary. 

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OK, Big big fat panda with us. 
Welcome home everyone. 

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Senior Sales Associate for the 
DVC resale market, Derek de 

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Boer. 
Hey now, happy Monday everybody.

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The Honourable Jeff's Haslam. 
Hi, everybody. 

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He did that like, you know, 
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credits and the people looking 
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I was just going to say, like, 
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come to him, but Jeff chooses to
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he's. 
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At Jeff Haslam. 
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that we're about to talk about 
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important to know. 
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And they're like 5 miles long, 
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No, they. 
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Never, ever. 
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write out some detailed notes 
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could easily derail from a lot 
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So this week we are talking 
about everything. 

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Member benefits. 
It's a common question that 

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comes up in the DVC fan Facebook
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that a lot of people ask, which 
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How do you get them? 
How do you qualify? 

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So we'll be talking everything 
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lounges, discounts, membership 
magic, beyond little, this 

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little bit of that and kind of 
help you figure out is it worth 

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it or what are some of these 
perks and what are some of what 

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I would maybe qualify as garbage
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Before we get into it, this and 
all of our content is always 

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brought to you by Key Holder 
Vacations and the world of DVC. 

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DVC resale market where you can 
buy and sell a Disney Vacation 

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Club contract. 
Monera Financial who will assist

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in financing that DVC resale 
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Purchase the DVC rental store 
where you can try before you 

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buy, rent some points or rent 
out your own points and Unlocked

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Magic where you can get 
discounted Walt Disney World and

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Universal tickets as well as 
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Mickey's Very Merry Christmas 
Party, Halloween Party, 

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Jollywood Nights, head to Unlock
magic.com/DVC fan. 

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So the key question, what are 
member benefits? 

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Amy Krieger. 
Member benefits are benefits 

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that you get for being a member 
of BBC. 

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This was a good show. 
This was really good. 

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I I think that we'll get at 
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Good night everyone. 
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membership extras, member 
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things that are a part of being 
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owner or a direct member with 
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They do not necessarily apply to
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they ever what are they get 
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guaranteed. 
Guaranteed last page of your 

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contract, remember when you sign
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Disney says we can't remove any 
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benefits, any of these direct 
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They are not tied into your 
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We can make any changes we want 
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you can't do anything about it. 
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the palm tree. 
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I will, I will be honest that I,
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frame my notes here and it puts 
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notes as well that I've just now
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That says, think of it as the 
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sundae. 
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sweeter if you have it. 
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Not for me, Derek, not for me. 
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that we talk about that are 
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One of the biggest membership 
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about historically is Moonlight 
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of recording this show that we 
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Moonlight Magic. 
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Lauren De La Cruz, who's an 
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had a blog prepped and ready 
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the dates because we were like, 
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This is the time that the past 
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Moonlight Magic. 
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little gap right here in case we
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Well, would you look at that, 
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filmed this episode, the 2026 
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Nothing too earth shattering 
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There are a coupled Moonlight 
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that were added for Animal 
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This is similar to what they did
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of the Fall Moonlight Magic 
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this. 
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registration window for people. 
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the list, Epcot, February 12th 
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That would be February 23rd. 
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dvcfan.com. 
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Adventure Park. 
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Other membership extras, other 
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into this is kind of, you know, 
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Like what? 
Like how do you actually get 

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member benefits? 
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grayest area of them all. 
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as we kind of age in Disney 
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is across the gamut. 
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wrong, There are some resale 
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certain date that actually do 
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It's before they kind of made 
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benefit, correct? 
Yeah, yeah, we actually have and

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did a great tutorial, quick 
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dvcresalemarket.com. 
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then it says like tutorial 
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You can have one where we break 
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these restrictions started kind 
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different point variables used 
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absolute no brainer. 
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have quote, UN quote 25 points 
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So I'm going to buy 300 points 
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25 point contract. 
And then I, you know, entitled 

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to quote UN quote, all the 
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Then they raised it to 50, then 
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something. 
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which I know we're going to talk
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It was, it wasn't just, Oh, I 
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and I get to, you know, get 
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little perks or whatnot. 
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and I want to say 2017 with 
Riviera that they said, hey, you

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know what, you buy a resale 
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able to use it at Riviera or any
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to use it for Riviera and for 
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the restrictions that go online,
they could book Riviera, they 

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importantly when you bought your
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So as Derek mentioned today, as 

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of making this video, you would 
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direct owner benefits. 
For some people like us, that 

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that benefit was 50 points 
Panda. 

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It was 25 when we bought one. 
Yeah, 75. 150. 

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selling Yeah, so. 
So it's changed throughout. 

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Can I, can we make a confession,
a real confession? 

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And I'm not here to help Derek 
sell resale. 

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I went crazy to make sure that 
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Disney so that I can get these 
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think. 
I can't really remember but tell

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me if that sounds right to you 
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Two to three years, yeah. 
Okay, so two to two to three 

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years, I've never used a direct 
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It would have definitely 
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The only time I go to Moonlight 
Magic and stuff is when Jeff, 

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Derek, Paul, Amy say, hey, John,
we have an extra ticket and I 

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go, I don't wait up to get them.
I don't try. 

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I don't even know what I'm 
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So I should have bought resale. 
I I know that now. 

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Even the times you've gone into 
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Yeah. 
The the lounges I've used, I I 

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never thought about that as a 
benefit, but you're right. 

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I've used the not too much, but 
I have used the lounges. 

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Thanks, Jeff. 
Yeah, you're right. 

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Yeah, as Derek also said, some 
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grandfathered in over time to 
certain members. 

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So essentially the the the cut 
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2016, those people are 
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member perks. 
Without it, you could buy 

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resale. 
You still get the points, you 

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still get to use the points, but
you don't get these membership 

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extras or these member benefits.
They're called membership extras

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because as Derek mentioned 
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started off the show, these are 
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They are not a part of your core
membership. 

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You can, you know, with your 
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your points what you're allowed 
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these benefits. 
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they are subject to whatever 
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at that time. 
Wanted Derek, you hit on this a 

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little bit and before we really 
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member benefits like Moonlight 
magic or like other events or 

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discounts and things like that. 
I wanted to have a little bit of

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a discussion on this show as 
what I think is kind of the 

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modern day direct benefit, which
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how that's probably going to 
change Disney Vacation Club over

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the course of maybe the next 10 
to 20 years. 

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You know, direct buyers have 
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portfolio. 
So you can act, you can purchase

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at, you can purchase at Copper 
Creek Direct if you would decide

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to do so or Riviera Direct and 
you can book within that zero to

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seven month window at any Disney
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resale starting with Riviera, we
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of resale restrictions. 
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resale, you can only use the 
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forward to Disneyland Hotel, 
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Wilderness. 
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to Lakeshore Lodge most likely 
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Fort Wilderness. 
But you know in some ways that 

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benefit, that flexibility, that 
opportunity to use them at 

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multiple different resorts is I 
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day benefits. 
Because you and I have even 

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talked about, you know, if 
whenever our direct contract 

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runs out that gives us the 
opportunity to use points that 

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way, we would potentially buy 
again so that we could then use 

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our points at newer resorts. 
It's really going to kind of 

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change the landscape. 
And so it's not really rolled 

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into it technically is what we 
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But I just wanted to pose the 
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kind of the modern day member 
benefit? 

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And Jeff, I'll kind of I'll jump
to you first on this. 

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Yeah, I, I think it is. 
I mean, I think we're a little 

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bit plain, fast and loose with 
the word quote UN quote benefit,

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but it is something that is 
going to change over time. 

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I, I really think it's a double 
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because it does give you access 
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And at much to Derek's dismay, 
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building these things. 
It appears like, it seems like 

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we're getting new DVC resorts 
faster than we're getting new 

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lights at Tron. 
So I think moving forward, we're

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we're going to have to have a 
direct contract to have access 

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to all of those things. 
The reason I say we're playing 

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fast and loose with the term 
benefit is you are really paying

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significant more, significantly 
more for that option. 

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And I question sometimes the 
longevity of that because you 

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would have to think at some 
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much people are willing to pay 
for this product. 

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I don't know that we're there 
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next 10 years, like I can't 
imagine anybody paying $500 a 

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point. 
I could be wrong, but I don't 

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see it. 
You know what I mean? 

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Like, I don't know. 
I don't. 

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Know I remember which is funny 
you said that story. 

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I remember being a guide in like
2007, 2008. 

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We remember when the points 
direct, we're going to hit over 

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$100 a point and we would all 
laugh would be like, do you 

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think people are seriously going
to buy these points for like 

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$100 a point when we know when 
DVC started, people paid like 

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$50 a .60. 
I paid like 70 something. 

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So it was comical that we 
thought that nobody is going to 

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buy this or it's going to have 
to be super highly discounted to

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spend anywhere near $100 a 
point. 

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Now look at where we're at. 
We're at, you know, 200 and 

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45245 dollars a point. 
They keep building these resorts

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that use more and more points 
compared to the older resort. 

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So therefore, you know, back 
when I was the guy, the average 

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point package was probably like,
you know, 100 and 25150. 

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Now, if you want to stay at some
of these newer resorts, you have

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to look at the point chart and 
go, oh God, now I got to buy 

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like $245 a point. 
And it looks like according to 

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say, you know, the Polynesian 
tower point chart, I'm going to 

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use this many. 
OK, I guess I do need to buy 

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like Jeff said, it's a lot of 
money and I don't want and I 

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think it's important that we say
we do not want to make this show

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and that's what we pride 
ourselves on. 

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This is not a direct benefits 
are not worth it. 

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It's not worth buying direct. 
This is 100% not the point of 

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that show is we pride ourselves 
and I probably do it every 

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single day. 
I'll have someone and I will 

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find out to that family, 
whatever it is they're looking 

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at purchasing that if these 
benefits, I don't care if it's 

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the 10% off of Wetzel Pretzel or
it's going to Moonlight Night 

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Magic or whatever that direct 
benefit is at that time. 

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If that's important to you, buy 
direct. 

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Here's some great friends of 
mine that still sell direct. 

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They will happily help you. 
We just want you to be a member.

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So I want people to know that 
this is not a resale versus 

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buying direct or I bought resale
and I save 50,000. 

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So that's way better than you 
bought direct and you paid more 

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blah, blah, blah. 
That's what I don't want this 

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show to be about, which I tell 
us we won't make it that because

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I think the most important, the 
important thing that you can do 

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to yourself is do your research 
1st. 

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And that's where, you know, 
Panda even said he's like, you 

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know, what if I probably would 
have looked at this maybe a 

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little bit more than maybe a 
little, maybe resale would have 

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been better for me. 
But if you're the family out 

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there that buying direct and 
getting, you know, taking 

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advantage of these member perks,
no matter how temporary they 

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are, if that FOMO is going to 
kill you, call me, reach out to 

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me. 
I can give you some great Disney

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Vacation Club guides who can 
help. 

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But you just need to know what 
you're getting into that's. 

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All I mean we've all done it. 
We, we bought direct. 

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We wanted those member benefits.
We wanted to make sure that we 

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did a direct. 
We actually did both at the same

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time. 
So we bought a resale and 

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direct. 
When we first bought Panda, you 

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bought direct. 
Derek, you bought direct. 

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When you initially bought Jeff, 
you bought direct and resale and

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then bought all of Old Key West.
But you know the the point 

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being, we've all done it. 
And I stand behind a statement 

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that I've made multiple times 
before, which is that I think 

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that over the life cycle of a 
Disney Vacation Club member, 

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most are going to become what I 
call a hybrid member that own a 

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combination of those direct and 
resale points. 

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You were really quiet over there
tonight. 

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I know she's over here. 
She's over here. 

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Did you know for you like cruise
Story? 

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You could see her dreaming of 
sandwiches. 

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Yeah, I am hungry. 
She's zoned out on this on this 

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topic so. 
No, I agree as to me, you know, 

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it can get very confusing 
especially once you start 

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getting into the weeds and when 
you were talking about, you 

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know, resale restrictions and in
this year's when it started 

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this, but then I was thinking in
my head, OK and then. 

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You know, X amount of people or 
grandfathered in under 25 points

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and they have to know when that 
date changed or you know, that's

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important to them or X amount of
people grandfathered under 75 

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and X. 
And I just I'm just. 

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It can get very confusing. 
I think the big thing to know is

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if you own now and you are 
eligible for benefits, you know 

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that you have benefits and you 
know what direct contract you 

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probably bought that gave you 
those benefits, Yeah. 

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Or, if you were an older resale 
buyer, you know that you bought 

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in before any of this nonsense 
actually occurred. 

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It's also important to know that
whatever that contract is that 

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gave you those benefits, if you 
don't have the new requirements,

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once that contract expires, your
benefits go away. 

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So if you're grandfathered in 
with, let's say, a boardwalk 

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contract in 2020440224, 2024, 
that's this. 

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That's last year. 
That's last year in 2042. 

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Now they're even more confused. 
In 2042, you're going to lose 

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those benefits. 
So luckily for us, it's our 2057

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contract. 
So if we want to keep having 

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benefits after that, you know, 
we'll have to make some 

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decisions. 
But I don't know, it's just 

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interesting to think about. 
So let's talk before we get into

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the even added confusing nature 
of this, what some of these 

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benefits are and all of these 
benefits that Panda has never 

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used. 
First off, a big benefit is the 

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ability to buy an annual pass 
basically at that Florida 

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resident level. 
So the eligibility for a 

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Sorcerer's pass or an Incredi 
pass, the ability to buy that as

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a direct member is a big perk 
that a lot of people look at. 

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If you have a larger family, if 
you are, if you are buying 

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annual passes for you know, 456 
people in your in your family to

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get down to Disney World 
multiple times a year, then this

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is an entirely huge savings as 
compared to you know, those 

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ticket prices. 
Yeah. 

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And to be clear, the Incredi 
pass anybody can buy, but it is 

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the ability to purchase the 
Sorcerer's Pass, which is 

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typically a Florida resident 
pass. 

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That is the DVC benefit. 
So it's not a discount on annual

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passes. 
It is just the ability to 

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purchase that lower tier pass 
that has it. 

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It has some block out dates, but
out of all the passes that have 

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block out dates, it has the 
fewest. 

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But yeah, it now, if you live in
Florida, then that benefit is 

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not, you know, for Panda. 
He's a Florida resident. 

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He can purchase any of the 
Florida passes. 

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So it doesn't matter. 
You know, that benefit doesn't 

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make sense for him. 
But if you live out of state, 

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that can be a good benefit. 
Next benefit are those member 

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lounges. 
So Panda, you've you've visited 

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the Epcot lounge before, I think
you went to the Magic Kingdom 

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lounge already. 
So this is one that has been 

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growing as of late. 
So we do have the Epcot member 

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lounge. 
We recently had Mckim's Mile 

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House added over in Frontierland
at Magic Kingdom. 

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We have a new member lounge, 
also Starview Station at 

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Disneyland Park and also kind of
a lounge slash sales center at 

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Disney Springs. 
So this has been kind of a 

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growing brand in that member 
benefit space, which I think a 

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lot of people enjoy is the 
ability to have a place that has

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some air conditioning. 
You have maybe a light 

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refreshment from a Coke 
freestyle machine, have some 

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small stacks like, you know, 
Doritos or Oreos or. 

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Apple chips. 
Apple chips. 

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I do think if they keep going 
with the lounges, I think that 

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that will draw people in. 
You know, add 1 to Animal 

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Kingdom, add 1 to Hollywood 
Studios, then you've got a 

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lounge I. 
Do wonder if they're I do wonder

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if they're devaluing another 
product they have in the process

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of that though, which is Club 
33. 

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But no, just I. 
Don't think the value of club 33

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is in the lounges, I think it's 
in the the additional perks that

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you get. 
I don't know. 

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I heard one person tell me one 
time they bought it for the 

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bathrooms. 
Well, just say it. 

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Yeah, but I've never got offered
a free VIP tour at a DVC lounge.

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That's. 
True. 

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That's true. 
Other things related to benefits

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include dining and merchandise 
discounts. 

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These can typically range 
anywhere from 10 to 20% 

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Restaurants on property shops at
Disney springs. 

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Sometimes you'll see benefits 
extended to shop Disney and you 

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know you can definitely save 
some money by eating at these 

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restaurants and having that 
Disney Vacation Club benefit. 

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The argument here on the other 
side would be if you are again a

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Florida resident or an annual 
pass holder, if you already have

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that, you're receiving the same 
exact discount. 

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So annual pass holder discounts 
and DVC discounts typically go 

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hand in hand. 
And if you have a Disney Chase 

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Visa credit card, you get very 
similar discounts. 

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But there are some spending 
restrictions. 

449
00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:29,800
So for example, like the 20% in 
stores, you do have to spend at 

450
00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:32,960
least 50 bucks. 
But who's going into World 

451
00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:36,400
Disney and buying something that
isn't usually spending at least 

452
00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:37,720
50 bucks? 
None of us. 

453
00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:39,480
Yeah, I. 
Was gonna say do they have 

454
00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:44,400
anything under $50? 
Not much. 

455
00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:48,160
Also in this realm are what we 
would call membership extras. 

456
00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:51,880
These are those specialty events
that Disney Vacation Club puts 

457
00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:55,440
on throughout the year and we've
seen kind of a growing number of

458
00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:58,480
these also in the past few 
years. 

459
00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:01,720
The big one, we talked about it 
to kick off the show Moonlight 

460
00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:04,200
Magic, that speciality after 
hours event. 

461
00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:08,200
It is, you know, free snacks, 
rare character meets, sometimes 

462
00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:12,080
fireworks, low wait times for a 
lot of your popular rides for 

463
00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:16,080
these parks. 
I will say it is very cutthroat 

464
00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:19,480
to get into these events. 
It is similar to registering for

465
00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:23,480
a Run Disney race if you're 
familiar with that process, you 

466
00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:26,880
know, getting that perfect DVC 
reservation right at 8:00 AM 

467
00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:31,360
when reservations open. 
It is very, very competitive to 

468
00:26:31,360 --> 00:26:36,120
get into these events sometimes.
And you know that as the Disney 

469
00:26:36,120 --> 00:26:39,320
Vacation Club membership has 
grown, it's gotten even more 

470
00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:40,760
competitive. 
And that's been kind of a 

471
00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:42,680
growing complaint that a lot of 
people have here. 

472
00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:46,480
So yes, it is a member benefit, 
but there's not the promise that

473
00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:49,000
you're going to get into these 
events, you know? 

474
00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:52,800
I hear, yeah, I'm just going to 
back you up on that, Paul, 

475
00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:55,800
because I hear at least a couple
times a week from people that 

476
00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:59,680
bought direct because that was 
for them, their main kind of 

477
00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:01,960
FOMO like that was it. 
It was like, Oh my God. 

478
00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:05,080
They told us about these private
parties and the parks are shut 

479
00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:06,840
down and all the wait times are 
low. 

480
00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:09,040
And they're like, Derek, we've 
been a member for four years and

481
00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:11,240
we've never been able to get it 
ever. 

482
00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:14,480
They were buying more points 
with me because they wanted more

483
00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:18,160
points for their membership. 
But to them, this one thing that

484
00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:20,840
put them over the edge, that 
made them want to do this, 

485
00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:25,080
they've tried for four years. 
So I hear it from people all the

486
00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:28,160
time that you've got to have the
sun, the moon, the stars, 

487
00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:31,800
everything else line up 
perfectly to take advantage of 

488
00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:34,600
of of these events. 
So just keep that in mind. 

489
00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:39,040
Smaller events that they've been
doing more frequently. 

490
00:27:39,360 --> 00:27:42,400
I think this is again, response 
to, to the negative, negative 

491
00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:44,280
feedback they've gotten for like
moonlight Magic. 

492
00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:47,120
A lot of people always say these
are always at these certain 

493
00:27:47,120 --> 00:27:49,440
weeks and I can never travel 
during those weeks. 

494
00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:52,480
You know, I'm, I'm never, that 
doesn't align with my vacation 

495
00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:55,560
plans because when it comes down
to it, there's maybe what, 10 to

496
00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:57,240
12 moonlight magic events a 
year. 

497
00:27:57,240 --> 00:28:00,200
So you've got to be here on one 
of those 10 to 12 days to 

498
00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:04,920
actually even get to go. 
So Disney Vacation Clubs 

499
00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:07,520
response, and I think it's a 
good one, has been to pepper in 

500
00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:10,280
some other smaller events 
throughout the year, one that we

501
00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:12,760
know is meat and treats. 
So these happen. 

502
00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:15,080
There's some upcoming ones that 
are happening around the 

503
00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:16,960
Halloween season. 
There's one that they 

504
00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:19,040
historically do over Valentine's
Day. 

505
00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:22,080
And again, these are just some 
special character opportunities,

506
00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:25,840
give you some free snacks and 
just kind of an added perk to 

507
00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:28,760
make you feel special about 
being a Disney Vacation Club 

508
00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:31,440
member. 
Also during the summer months 

509
00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:36,000
they have been doing what they 
call Welcome Home weeks, which 

510
00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:40,640
is about 3 to 4 weeks during 
August and into September. 

511
00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:44,440
They actually just ended 
mid-september this year and they

512
00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:47,160
have a plethora of options and 
benefits. 

513
00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:50,720
This year they added some things
like a free tote bag that was 

514
00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:55,080
available at Disney Springs. 
They did a special doughnut day,

515
00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:58,760
I think 2 days at at Everglades,
which Everglades had like a 

516
00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:02,360
specialty, you know, welcome 
home donut that they gave out 

517
00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:06,520
for free those days. 
I a lot of just small little 

518
00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:08,640
things like that, some ice cream
treats. 

519
00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:12,320
So kind of that month or six 
weeks or so is really just 

520
00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:16,200
peppered with a variety of 
different benefits and different

521
00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:18,880
kind of freebies and giveaways 
because they know that a lot of 

522
00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:22,480
DVC members kind of travel down 
here during that time of year. 

523
00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:26,400
Specialty gifts. 
If you ever stop by ADVC kiosk, 

524
00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:29,000
we know magic band sliders have 
always been a thing that comes 

525
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:30,920
out. 
They have specialty pins that 

526
00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:33,560
come out throughout the year. 
Coins one time. 

527
00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:37,800
I feel like they had a coin at 
least once they had some sort 

528
00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:41,880
of, or maybe that was a coin we 
got at like the opening of a 

529
00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:44,480
lounge or something. 
I remember a coin but I can't 

530
00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:47,920
remember why. 
We have a lot of these things 

531
00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:51,560
just in a box upstairs that just
kind of tells you it sounds 

532
00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:53,680
special at the time. 
I do still have my magic band 

533
00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:55,120
Slaughter. 
That is the coolest one. 

534
00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:56,760
There you go. 
Panda's got a bottle. 

535
00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:57,640
Look at that. 
Perfect. 

536
00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:02,520
So all of these like kind of 
little free pins free, you know,

537
00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:06,440
snacks, small pieces of swag, 
but they give you that extra 

538
00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:11,040
little bit of Pixie dust to make
you feel special and feel feel 

539
00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:14,920
recognized as a member. 
Want to pause there? 

540
00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:18,080
Any comments from you guys you 
know about any of these benefits

541
00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:20,640
or or kind of what how you've 
used them or seen them in the 

542
00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:23,120
past other than the resale guy 
in the corner? 

543
00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:27,120
Why is Derek laughing? 
No, no. 

544
00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:29,400
Well, no. 
I, I I wanted to add something, 

545
00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:31,560
but other people can certainly 
jump in. 

546
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:33,600
Yeah, sounds good. 
Yeah. 

547
00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:36,480
I just want to say, despite 
everybody, you know, talking 

548
00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:39,640
about this, which again is very,
very important to say, you know,

549
00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:43,920
direct, direct members get this 
and they get this and they get 

550
00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:45,800
this. 
I want to stress that I tell 

551
00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:49,600
people every single day when you
buy a resale contract, you're 

552
00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:52,720
going to be using the same 
member website. 

553
00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:56,320
You are going to be using the 
same phone number to call member

554
00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:59,040
services and member accounting 
that everyone else does. 

555
00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:02,160
You're going to be receiving the
same free parking. 

556
00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:06,400
You're going to be receiving the
same extra magic hours, right 

557
00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:08,720
that they do in the resorts 
because you're staying in a 

558
00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:12,320
deluxe Disney resort. 
So I think it's, it's amazing to

559
00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:15,480
me how many people you know, 
don't think that or they 

560
00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:17,920
thought, you know, what website 
do I use? 

561
00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:20,640
And it's not because you bought 
a resale contract. 

562
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:24,080
We've got to send you to like 
some dark web website and move 

563
00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:26,520
you through into like the Disney
website. 

564
00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:31,640
It's the same member services is
not going to treat you any 

565
00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:34,680
different whatsoever. 
When you check into a resort, 

566
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:37,800
you're not going to be treated 
any different whatsoever. 

567
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:43,240
That is just where research 
comes into play because I hear 

568
00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:46,560
every day, all the agents at the
DVC resale market, we hear every

569
00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:48,960
single day like, Oh my God, I 
wish I found you guys sooner 

570
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:53,640
because I was looking at buying,
even if it's, you know, Saratoga

571
00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:55,920
Springs. 
So I'm looking at Saratoga 

572
00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:58,720
Springs with you guys and it 
averages, you know, say between 

573
00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:02,960
90 and $100 a point. 
Saratoga direct from Disney 

574
00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:07,960
right now is $215 a point. 
So that's when that factor goes,

575
00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:10,080
Derek. 
So I was thinking of we're 

576
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:14,640
probably need like 200 points. 
So this is over like $100 

577
00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:17,560
different input. 
So if I buy a resale contract, 

578
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:21,000
I'm going to save 20 grand. 
And that's where their own brain

579
00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:24,120
kicks in and they go that's a 
lot. 

580
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:28,520
That's a lot of like pretzels 
that I have to buy at like 10% 

581
00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:31,040
off. 
That's a lot of, you know, 10% 

582
00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:35,760
off T-shirts or that's a lot of 
even annual passes that you can 

583
00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:38,840
currently buy. 
So that's where you, you got to 

584
00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:44,600
do your research and you figure 
out what's important to you. 

585
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:46,880
Is it? 
I think the most important 

586
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:49,880
reason that people buy with us, 
and I just had a couple families

587
00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:52,720
do it today, is because they 
looked and they said, Derek, for

588
00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:54,600
example, we looked at buying 
direct. 

589
00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:59,760
But you know what we realized 
the resort that we needed was in

590
00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:01,440
their case, it was the 
boardwalk. 

591
00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:04,800
It wasn't about bells and 
whistles that you get buying 

592
00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:07,440
direct. 
It's the fact of I want to buy 

593
00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:11,560
this resort and make it my home 
resort because I've done the 

594
00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:15,240
research and I realize how 
important it is, say, to own the

595
00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:18,800
Grand Californian, to own the 
Boardwalk, to own the beach 

596
00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:20,800
Club. 
So Derek, what they're trying to

597
00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:24,640
tell me that yes, I can use my 
Polynesian points at the 

598
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:27,840
Boardwalk technically at seven 
months out, but doing my 

599
00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:31,760
research, watching this amazing 
show that comes out every single

600
00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:36,160
Monday has helped me determine 
that I think this is the path 

601
00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:38,840
that I want to go down. 
So you got to, you have to look 

602
00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:43,680
at perks, but you have to look 
at what resort do you and your 

603
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:47,760
family need and then make the 
decision from that point on. 

604
00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:50,200
Thank you for coming to my Ted 
Talk. 

605
00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:54,320
I just have to derail this 
conversation for one second. 40 

606
00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:58,600
minutes ago, we recorded our 
first show and Panda froze in 

607
00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:00,880
the middle of it and had to come
back. 

608
00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:04,480
And I had messaged in the group 
it, you know, it was just kind 

609
00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:08,480
of funny the way you froze and 
40 minutes later, while Derek 

610
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:12,159
was talking just now, Panda 
wrote back in the group, lol. 

611
00:34:12,679 --> 00:34:16,480
Like we're not all here together
recording at the right. 

612
00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:19,480
Just tells you how much the rest
of us zoned out what Derek 

613
00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:21,440
talked there. 
Yeah, I'll be honest. 

614
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:23,600
With you, Derek, I love you with
all of my heart. 

615
00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:25,840
I have no idea what you just 
said. 

616
00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:28,000
You don't have to watch it with 
me. 

617
00:34:28,159 --> 00:34:30,080
It's just not us are. 
You serious? 

618
00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:33,600
No, it made sense. 
You don't realize the importance

619
00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:37,040
of the resort that you own 
because you had 900 points at 

620
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:40,679
Old Key West, but if you wanted 
to, always stay at the boardwalk

621
00:34:40,679 --> 00:34:41,760
if you wanted. 
To reduce. 

622
00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:46,000
Then you reduce the importance 
of the resort. 

623
00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:48,080
That's it. 
That's all I got to say so. 

624
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:53,159
Why would derailed Hold on, They
caught the Disney Springs scuba 

625
00:34:53,159 --> 00:34:56,280
diver. 
Did you see what they caught 

626
00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:57,600
him? 
He was celebrating with his 

627
00:34:57,600 --> 00:35:00,920
family after his 20 grand win. 
They released a picture. 

628
00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:07,440
Oh my gosh. 
Well, welcome to the interlude 

629
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:08,760
portion of the show. 
Go ahead, Jeff. 

630
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:11,920
Back to what the show is about, 
which I think was membership 

631
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:13,880
perks. 
I don't know, maybe. 

632
00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:17,480
I forgot, it's been a while. 
Since you and I both buddy. 

633
00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:26,520
I, I think the great thing about
these membership perks is it's 

634
00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:27,920
not something that Disney has to
do. 

635
00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:30,640
We talk about it all the time. 
These perks can come and go and 

636
00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:34,960
ebb and flow and whatever, but 
they do offer them and it does 

637
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:37,880
not cost you an anything extra 
to go to, to most of these 

638
00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:39,320
things. 
So I think that is something 

639
00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:45,560
that it really does show members
what they, how they, how much 

640
00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:48,800
they mean to them and, and, and 
it's something that it's nice. 

641
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:52,240
Now, having said that, Moonlight
magic, as we said, it's, it's 

642
00:35:52,240 --> 00:35:54,240
harder to get into than the 
Taylor Swift concert. 

643
00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:59,160
We catch a lot of crass because 
we seem to be at all of them, 

644
00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:02,120
even though we're not. 
We don't get any kind of special

645
00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:04,640
treatment. 
It's just all about luck of the 

646
00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:06,560
draw. 
Sometimes we're just very lucky 

647
00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:08,880
to be in this space and we have 
members that reach out and say, 

648
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:10,960
Hey, do you guys want to come 
and hang out with us? 

649
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:16,720
And that's so great, but it's 
kind of like knowing that it's a

650
00:36:16,720 --> 00:36:19,720
little bit of a lottery and you 
should never buy for that 

651
00:36:19,720 --> 00:36:21,520
reason, but it is a nice win 
when you get it. 

652
00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:26,160
Yeah, but but don't think that 
Disney's offering these little 

653
00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:28,800
perks, like just out of the 
goodness of their heart. 

654
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:31,120
You know that, right? 
I mean, they're doing it. 

655
00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:34,240
So then when someone meets with 
the direct guide, they have a 

656
00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:37,000
look at this list. 
Look of all the parties, do you 

657
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:39,640
like free doughnuts? 
Here's a free doughnut that 

658
00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:42,360
we're doing this, this and this.
That's why they're doing it. 

659
00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:45,680
They're not like, how can we 
make our members happy? 

660
00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:48,760
They're doing it to say, how can
we convince more people to buy 

661
00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:50,160
direct? 
That's why they're doing. 

662
00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:52,600
It and this man knows it because
he sold those doughnuts for a 

663
00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:55,320
lot of years. 
He did, and he's again. 

664
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:56,920
Donuts and those ice. 
Cream. 

665
00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:00,600
Ice cream. 
That was it back in the. 

666
00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:04,640
Day I do not. 
It is not my intention to help 

667
00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:06,280
resale. 
I really mean this for real 

668
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:07,920
because I bought direct. 
It's OK. 

669
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:09,720
This show is called Resale 
Benefits Now. 

670
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:15,040
But when Jeff says you don't pay
more for those things, I paid 10

671
00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:17,480
grand more to buy direct so I 
can go sit in the lounge and 

672
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:21,400
have a free coke. 
So we do pay for it technically,

673
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:23,520
if you know if resale's 
available. 

674
00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:26,680
I was gonna save this. 
Save us where I'm out. 

675
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:30,200
I was gonna save this for the 
end of the show, but like I, I 

676
00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:34,600
did have in my notes, like I do 
want to applaud Disney because 

677
00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:37,600
they've done a lot better job 
with these benefits because if 

678
00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:41,720
you go back a year or so with 
this show, we were critical 

679
00:37:41,720 --> 00:37:44,520
about the benefits being 
offered. 

680
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:49,280
I know that if I were a new 
member buying in today and I 

681
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:53,760
stand behind this, I would have 
FOMO if I did not buy a direct 

682
00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:57,280
contract and I did not be 
eligible for these benefits. 

683
00:37:57,280 --> 00:37:59,160
And yes. 
Am I paying more money for it 

684
00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:01,840
because of it? 
Yeah, Yeah, I am. 

685
00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:05,120
But it is the FOMO of missing 
out on some of these things. 

686
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:09,120
And they look really cool. 
We make them look really cool. 

687
00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:12,800
We, you know, you know, people 
posting on the Internet, it's 

688
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:15,600
like anything that you see on 
the Internet when someone does 

689
00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:18,080
something and you're just like, 
oh, wow, that's cool. 

690
00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:21,680
I wish I could do that. 
You know, that feeling has a 

691
00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:24,760
financial value to it. 
Now the number country is out 

692
00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:26,120
there. 
Yes, you are saving a bunch of 

693
00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:27,760
money. 
And I applaud you for the fact 

694
00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:31,280
that you know you, you are you 
are able to have this membership

695
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:33,200
and not feel bad about missing 
out on those things. 

696
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:37,280
I'm not one of those people. 
I would have FOMO about missing 

697
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:39,480
out on some of these events and 
doing those things. 

698
00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:43,480
And I think that Disney Vacation
Club has done a good job in 

699
00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:46,480
recent years in adding more of 
those opportunities. 

700
00:38:46,720 --> 00:38:51,040
Yes, definitely to Derek's 
point, so that they can have 

701
00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:54,520
that laundry list of things, so 
they can say look at all these 

702
00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:58,160
things that you get for being a 
direct member because at the end

703
00:38:58,160 --> 00:38:59,680
of the day, their goal is to 
sell. 

704
00:38:59,880 --> 00:39:03,800
Well, and Speaking of FOMO, 
there's something that we said 

705
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:07,080
we weren't going to buy that you
bought literally on day one, 

706
00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:10,040
which is the other tier that we 
have of. 

707
00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:15,880
This is where it gets even more 
confusing and Disney has now 

708
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:20,880
come out with a paid level of 
Disney Vacation Club benefits 

709
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:25,960
called Member Magic Beyond. 
So this program was launched at 

710
00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:29,280
the end of 2024 and and members 
that purchased would were 

711
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:32,400
eligible throughout the year in 
2025. 

712
00:39:32,720 --> 00:39:37,120
It is $99 per year and it gives 
you access to things like 

713
00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:41,400
discounted ticket prices. 
You get a memory maker benefit 

714
00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:43,640
that's valid. 
I think it's a 30 day benefit 

715
00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:46,720
for memory maker which gives you
access to photo pass photos. 

716
00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:52,520
You get the access to the Epcot 
Lounge after hours with an 

717
00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:56,960
exclusive meet and greet that is
only for those extra hours. 

718
00:39:57,080 --> 00:40:00,600
For the Member Magic Beyond 
access, you get priority Lounge 

719
00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:03,840
access to Disney Vacation Club 
lounges. 

720
00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:07,120
You can actually use your 
points. 

721
00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:12,040
For a Disney Vacation Club or I 
guess a Disney annual pass to 

722
00:40:12,040 --> 00:40:15,680
Walt Disney World or to renew 
your annual pass you can use 

723
00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:20,360
your points to pay for that. 
You also get bonus one time use 

724
00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:23,680
points up to 24. 
I always call this like buy one 

725
00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:25,440
get one free one time use 
points. 

726
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:32,120
At the end of the day, a lot of 
these things when launched, I 

727
00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:36,160
think we kind of turned our nose
up at, but there is value here 

728
00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:39,880
in saying that if you're going 
to buy X number of one time use 

729
00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:44,000
points, it makes more sense to 
buy Member Magic Beyond to get a

730
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:46,520
couple of these points. 
Or if you're going to buy Memory

731
00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:49,880
Maker, if you're doing that for 
your annual trip to Disney 

732
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:54,920
World, you know, buying this is 
cheaper than buying that and 

733
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:56,720
gets you some of these added 
perks. 

734
00:40:57,200 --> 00:41:03,560
My question, I guess to you all 
is the thought of this program 

735
00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:06,960
and whether or not it's been 
successful, because my 

736
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:10,880
impression has been the 
advertising, the marketing was 

737
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:13,600
hot and heavy early on to get 
people on board with this. 

738
00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:17,280
But I have not heard a lick of 
anything about what's happening 

739
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:20,320
next year. 
And you know, what are they 

740
00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:22,080
going to, what are they going to
add? 

741
00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:25,720
What are they going to change? 
What is going to make this worth

742
00:41:25,720 --> 00:41:29,600
the $199 that they probably try 
to charge for it next year? 

743
00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:31,920
Just throwing an idea out there.
I don't know. 

744
00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:33,160
I don't know. 
That's the fact. 

745
00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:38,440
I hope they keep it at $99.00. 
But whatever, whatever the ploy 

746
00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:43,080
here with having this paid 
member benefit option, it's kind

747
00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:47,080
of a question of OK, but is it 
worth it and are people going 

748
00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:48,720
to? 
I don't it's like those other 

749
00:41:48,720 --> 00:41:51,680
subscriptions that you have and 
it's like what is going to get 

750
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:53,520
me next year to renew this 
subscription. 

751
00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:55,200
I don't think, yeah, but I don't
think you're going to hear about

752
00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:58,480
that for a long time. 
Did you guys get your worth out 

753
00:41:58,480 --> 00:41:59,440
of it? 
What do you guys think? 

754
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:01,320
You bought it? 
Did you feel like you saved? 

755
00:42:01,720 --> 00:42:02,640
We personally. 
Bought it for. 

756
00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:06,840
FOMO don't because we. 
Just gave $100 to Disney. 

757
00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:08,920
But that doesn't mean that there
isn't value for people. 

758
00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:12,640
We just have you. 
We don't buy one time use points

759
00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:15,120
anymore. 
We don't have. 

760
00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:17,440
You used it to get priority in 
the lounges. 

761
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:18,280
Have you ever? 
Used. 

762
00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:24,280
Yeah, no, we, we've tried. 
So one time there was nobody in 

763
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:26,280
the lounge, so that didn't 
matter. 

764
00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:28,680
And then the other time was when
Mckim them all out. 

765
00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:32,120
It was when Mckim's Mile House 
were opened and they wouldn't 

766
00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:35,760
even let us join the list 
because because they said that 

767
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:38,960
it was at capacity even though 
we. 

768
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:41,720
Yeah, but that was like the 
first day it was open, so. 

769
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:42,520
Yeah. 
So we. 

770
00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:46,480
Actually I buy used priority to 
the lounges and they won't even 

771
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:48,200
put me on the list. 
There's a problem there. 

772
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:51,320
They need to save 5 or 10 spots 
for these people. 

773
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:54,720
I agree. 
I agree that that day was 

774
00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:56,640
mishandled, but I I think 
they've. 

775
00:42:56,880 --> 00:42:59,160
They knew it was mishandled. 
I think they know that and I 

776
00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:00,560
think they've. 
But it was also opening day, so 

777
00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:02,600
I'm not going to hold it against
them too much, but. 

778
00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:05,120
We did use, we did go into the 
lounge once and do that 

779
00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:06,800
character thing. 
So did. 

780
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:08,680
Disneyland too, did you mention 
that? 

781
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:11,560
What was it, Disneyland? 
We did Starview Station and we 

782
00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:14,000
used the benefit to get into the
lounge there. 

783
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:17,920
And I think it's, it's, it's 
important to note that even 

784
00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:22,200
Bruce and the DVC fan Facebook 
group, which made me think of 

785
00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:25,360
when you guys started talking 
about this, he made a special 

786
00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:27,960
post on it, which I thought was 
really interesting and said I 

787
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:30,680
paid the $99 basically for 
lounge access. 

788
00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:33,240
It was well worth it. 
So he was talking about how he 

789
00:43:33,240 --> 00:43:35,680
went to Epcot and the Magic 
Kingdom, was told it was a long 

790
00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:38,400
wait, got right in. 
He goes One night I was with 

791
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:41,440
friends at the Epcot lounge. 
The lounge closed at 5:00. 

792
00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:44,640
But wait, I paid the $99.00 and 
got into that lounge with my 

793
00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:47,760
friends until 8:30 that night. 
So yeah, Bruce. 

794
00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:51,640
Sees the value so so there's 
definitely value in it for you 

795
00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:54,080
know what I mean and then like 
like I said if you're buying one

796
00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:57,000
time use points if you are gonna
buy memory maker you don't 

797
00:43:57,000 --> 00:43:59,880
already have it attached to an 
annual pass like you can 

798
00:43:59,880 --> 00:44:03,160
definitely get your money's 
worth it just it's gonna be on 

799
00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:06,240
an individual basis now you were
talking about how we haven't 

800
00:44:06,240 --> 00:44:08,240
heard anything for next year. 
I don't think you're gonna hear 

801
00:44:08,240 --> 00:44:11,240
anything until like a week out, 
you know what I mean? 

802
00:44:11,240 --> 00:44:14,040
Because they don't want to give 
you too much time to think. 

803
00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:16,920
You know, it's basically like if
you don't buy it at the 

804
00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:20,000
beginning and start using it at 
the beginning, you're not 

805
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:24,280
getting as much value from it 
and you get the same length of 

806
00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:26,600
time as anyone else. 
So they want to be selling it, 

807
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:29,400
you know, January, whatever. 
They're probably not going to 

808
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:32,680
tell you what to expect until 
like a week or two before so 

809
00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:35,200
that you don't have all this 
time to sit and analyze and 

810
00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:38,280
listen to these five people on 
the DC show. 

811
00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:40,880
I. 
Don't know, but I would disagree

812
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:43,680
with that only from a 
perspective of, you know, any 

813
00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:46,720
type of annual membership 
program, you know, the goal is 

814
00:44:46,720 --> 00:44:48,640
to retain membership. 
It's called churn. 

815
00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:50,840
Essentially. 
You, you never want to see a 

816
00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:52,840
high churn rate. 
You never want to see people 

817
00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:56,000
drop off. 
So to get them inspired, you're 

818
00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:58,520
going to offer something to get 
them to renew. 

819
00:44:58,520 --> 00:45:02,360
We see it happen with, you know,
Disney Plus, you know, if you 

820
00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:04,960
drop your subscription, they're 
going to offer you, you know, 

821
00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:07,640
something back. 
We see it with HelloFresh all 

822
00:45:07,640 --> 00:45:11,800
the time, or big HelloFresh, you
know, customers here, we buy 

823
00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:15,000
into that meal program and 
whenever you try to cancel it, 

824
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:16,400
it's like, why are you 
canceling? 

825
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:20,560
Please stay and we'll give you 
$20 off your next four boxes. 

826
00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:26,440
So I think that they want to try
to avoid that and get ahead of 

827
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:31,560
it, which would mean that they 
kind of really want you to renew

828
00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:34,520
like so I would expect something
like within the next month or 

829
00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:36,640
so. 
I get your point where it's like

830
00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:39,000
it minimizes the benefit, but a 
lot of the benefits that are 

831
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:41,160
being offered really aren't 
minimized by anything. 

832
00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:46,680
Like, you know, the one time, 
the one time photo pass thing, 

833
00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:48,760
you know, that's not minimized, 
you know? 

834
00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:51,480
Or do they want to get less time
to think about it? 

835
00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:56,360
They want more people to be 
like, oh, I better buy it now, 

836
00:45:56,360 --> 00:45:59,320
you know what I mean? 
Yeah, Instead of thinking about 

837
00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:02,160
it and really analyzing all the 
options and if they're going to.

838
00:46:02,520 --> 00:46:04,640
I don't even remember like last 
year. 

839
00:46:04,640 --> 00:46:07,320
When did it go on sale? 
Think there was that much time? 

840
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:12,560
So I I have a question about it 
because I don't have it, but did

841
00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:16,040
it say when you bought it that 
this is the price just for this 

842
00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:18,640
year? 
Like what was the legal legal 

843
00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:20,480
ease in it? 
Was it this year? 

844
00:46:20,720 --> 00:46:26,920
It was specific January 12th 
through December 31st of 2025 

845
00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:29,480
and from my. 
Point of view. 

846
00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:31,840
Oh, sorry, Paul. 
I was just going to say 

847
00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:35,320
purchases started on December 
3rd, 2024. 

848
00:46:35,640 --> 00:46:37,840
That was when they they actually
opened up purchases. 

849
00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:42,600
Go ahead, Jeff. 
Yeah, and for me, like $99.00 

850
00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:45,520
for what you're getting. 
I didn't buy it for the same 

851
00:46:45,520 --> 00:46:46,680
reason that you've already 
talked about. 

852
00:46:46,720 --> 00:46:49,560
I'm a local. 
Most of the perks didn't really 

853
00:46:50,080 --> 00:46:53,240
do much for me. 
If they jump, if they double it 

854
00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:56,240
like you know, you, you 
mentioned as a hypothetical to 

855
00:46:56,240 --> 00:46:59,800
199, there's going to have to be
a lot more to cover that big 

856
00:46:59,840 --> 00:47:02,200
spread. 
I think you'll probably see if 

857
00:47:02,200 --> 00:47:05,560
I'm doing my predictions, 
something like 129 bucks, you 

858
00:47:05,560 --> 00:47:08,600
know, a little bit of an 
increase with maybe another perk

859
00:47:08,600 --> 00:47:12,600
or two for me. 
I, I wish it would give, you 

860
00:47:12,600 --> 00:47:15,000
know, either a better dining 
discount or a quick service 

861
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:18,880
discount or something that's a 
little more accessible to the 

862
00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:23,280
entire direct membership rather 
than just, you know, we've 

863
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:26,680
already talked about the, the 
vast majority of Disney Vacation

864
00:47:26,680 --> 00:47:28,760
Club members live here in 
Florida. 

865
00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:32,200
It would be nice if they took 
care of the local people too a 

866
00:47:32,200 --> 00:47:36,440
little bit, you know, but it 
it's, I didn't buy it just 

867
00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:39,120
because I didn't see anything 
for me personally, But I'd I'd 

868
00:47:39,640 --> 00:47:42,640
never said it was a bad deal. 
Like if no, if you're somebody 

869
00:47:42,640 --> 00:47:45,680
that uses some of these options,
I think 100 bucks is kind of a 

870
00:47:45,680 --> 00:47:48,920
steal. 
But if I was, if I. 

871
00:47:49,560 --> 00:47:52,480
Was. 
If, if I was buying direct, it 

872
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:55,400
would be an absolute no brainer 
because you're dropping 30 

873
00:47:55,400 --> 00:47:57,480
grand. 
So when the guide says, and hey,

874
00:47:57,480 --> 00:48:00,600
would you like VIP lounge access
and this and this and this and 

875
00:48:00,600 --> 00:48:05,680
it's only $99.00, I would that, 
that yes rate had to have been 

876
00:48:05,680 --> 00:48:10,160
99.9% because if you're spending
that much money for 99, what's 

877
00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:12,160
99 bucks? 
It's a it's a no brainer. 

878
00:48:12,240 --> 00:48:13,280
Agree. 
Agree. 

879
00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:15,960
Yeah. 
Excuse. 

880
00:48:16,520 --> 00:48:20,640
Me so it looks like it went on 
sale and or sorry it it was 

881
00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:23,800
announced end of October last 
year and then it went on sale 

882
00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:25,920
December 3rd. 
So it's like that's like a 

883
00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:29,920
little over a month notice. 
So maybe by December we should 

884
00:48:30,040 --> 00:48:33,400
hear something about what the 
2020. 

885
00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:36,480
Yeah, or even November, end of 
October, but. 

886
00:48:37,240 --> 00:48:37,880
We'll wait and. 
See. 

887
00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:42,120
We we listened to our guests and
they said they wanted to pay 

888
00:48:42,120 --> 00:48:45,520
more than $99. 
I would pay more if there were 

889
00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:48,360
some good benefits. 
Yeah, if to Jeff point, if there

890
00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:51,080
were some more things that we 
could use locally like like 

891
00:48:51,120 --> 00:48:51,960
could. 
You imagine. 

892
00:48:52,240 --> 00:48:56,680
Bundle into this like. 
Skip the line to meet some of 

893
00:48:56,680 --> 00:48:58,520
the characters. 
You get 3 passes. 

894
00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:01,240
Anytime there's a character line
you get, you know you're going 

895
00:49:01,240 --> 00:49:02,640
to. 
We're going to just let you be 

896
00:49:02,640 --> 00:49:04,680
the next person that would make 
people. 

897
00:49:04,680 --> 00:49:13,360
GO-1 Lightning lane for one day 
for the entire year of 20 tables

898
00:49:13,360 --> 00:49:15,840
in Wonderland. 
Like if you could apply that 

899
00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:18,680
benefit. 
I'd take one Lightning 100%. 

900
00:49:18,920 --> 00:49:21,560
Or or even something like yeah 
Disney. 

901
00:49:21,640 --> 00:49:25,200
The Disney Visa card used to 
have a specific meet and greet. 

902
00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:27,360
You could only meet Boba Fett. 
If you were a. 

903
00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:30,280
Disney visa card member, you 
know, do that magic member 

904
00:49:30,280 --> 00:49:35,080
beyond you get to meet Oswald or
Steamboat Mickey or some, I 

905
00:49:35,080 --> 00:49:39,040
don't know something that's a 
little more accessible to the 

906
00:49:39,080 --> 00:49:41,440
the greater membership. 
It's just. 

907
00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:44,960
Disappearing for anyone else? 
Yeah, what was that? 

908
00:49:45,960 --> 00:49:47,680
Is Jeff disappearing for anyone 
else? 

909
00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:49,280
Yeah, he's getting a little 
blurry. 

910
00:49:50,280 --> 00:49:52,160
No. 
He's fine, his internet's ready 

911
00:49:52,160 --> 00:49:54,080
to go to. 
The ghost of Jeff Haslam. 

912
00:49:55,640 --> 00:49:58,760
What I last thing I wanted to 
highlight tonight, I did have on

913
00:49:58,760 --> 00:50:00,040
here. 
Are benefits worth it? 

914
00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:02,680
I think that we've kind of 
covered that over the course of 

915
00:50:02,680 --> 00:50:06,320
our conversations as to what we 
believe you need to think about 

916
00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:08,800
as to whether or not you think 
benefits are worth it. 

917
00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:12,080
The last thing I did want to 
cover is what I do call garbage 

918
00:50:12,080 --> 00:50:15,160
benefits, or at least I chalk 
them up into the realm of 

919
00:50:15,160 --> 00:50:17,840
garbage benefits. 
And as Jeff mentioned either 

920
00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:20,080
earlier, this show or the last 
show, This is why Disney doesn't

921
00:50:20,080 --> 00:50:25,440
invite us to anything is because
of how we're honest about this. 

922
00:50:25,800 --> 00:50:30,440
But I have received phone calls 
and I know Derek has is from 

923
00:50:30,440 --> 00:50:33,960
time to time is Hey I'm thinking
about buying 300 points so I can

924
00:50:33,960 --> 00:50:36,040
go on a Disney cruise every 
other year. 

925
00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:43,240
Oh yeah. 
No, you should never think about

926
00:50:43,360 --> 00:50:47,400
buying points to go on cruises. 
You should never think about 

927
00:50:47,400 --> 00:50:51,360
buying points to do like some of
the adventure swaps or anything 

928
00:50:51,360 --> 00:50:55,320
like that. 
Please, you know, just sit down 

929
00:50:55,320 --> 00:50:57,680
and crunch the numbers for a 
little bit if you're really 

930
00:50:57,680 --> 00:51:03,000
thinking about that because it 
is a big way that again, to 

931
00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:05,520
Derek's point, it's something 
that they offer and it's 

932
00:51:05,520 --> 00:51:08,560
something that you can add to 
this list of things that they 

933
00:51:08,560 --> 00:51:10,440
offer. 
Use your points for a Disney 

934
00:51:10,440 --> 00:51:13,560
Cruise. 
But my two big takeaways are 

935
00:51:13,560 --> 00:51:17,800
your points are more valuable 
than that and the, you know, the

936
00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:20,600
restrictions that are actually 
involved in you getting into 

937
00:51:20,600 --> 00:51:24,200
that program and then having 
something happen and you can't 

938
00:51:24,200 --> 00:51:26,600
use your points that way. 
Just watch the show we did 

939
00:51:26,600 --> 00:51:29,400
called Five Ways to Waste Your 
DVC Point. 

940
00:51:29,400 --> 00:51:30,880
There you go. 
That's all we have to say. 

941
00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:34,480
Watch the show Five Ways to 
waste Your DVC Points and you 

942
00:51:34,480 --> 00:51:36,720
will learn everything you need 
to know about that. 

943
00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:40,720
There are some things that are 
chalked up as direct member 

944
00:51:40,720 --> 00:51:45,080
benefits that just truly are a 
sales tactic and and I think 

945
00:51:45,080 --> 00:51:49,040
very deceptive in in, you know, 
a way to sell direct contracts. 

946
00:51:50,680 --> 00:51:53,640
Everyone's just nodding no. 
One else wants to say anything 

947
00:51:53,640 --> 00:51:55,920
to that they just want to see me
crash that agreed. 

948
00:51:58,480 --> 00:52:02,760
But you know, I I think there 
are some things that you know, 

949
00:52:02,760 --> 00:52:06,320
shouldn't be considered when it 
when it comes to you know, what 

950
00:52:06,320 --> 00:52:10,360
are we considering benefits So 
well, there you have it. 

951
00:52:10,720 --> 00:52:13,760
We've talked for longer than I 
thought we were going to talk 

952
00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:16,120
about member benefits. 
Thank you Derek for the 

953
00:52:16,120 --> 00:52:19,760
monologue and. 
You're welcome. 

954
00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:23,640
My and my only, my only suggest 
out there. 

955
00:52:23,640 --> 00:52:25,800
Just just do your research. 
That's it. 

956
00:52:26,080 --> 00:52:27,960
That's all we ask. 
Do your research. 

957
00:52:28,840 --> 00:52:32,080
Really interested to learn in 
the comments of this video and I

958
00:52:32,080 --> 00:52:35,280
might even as part of this put a
pull up on DVC fan. 

959
00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:38,120
We've done this before, but just
asking that question, are you a 

960
00:52:38,120 --> 00:52:40,120
direct member? 
Are you a resale member? 

961
00:52:40,600 --> 00:52:43,440
Because most times the results 
do surprise us. 

962
00:52:43,960 --> 00:52:49,000
There are, you know, again, just
like us, there are a lot of 

963
00:52:49,120 --> 00:52:50,680
direct members. 
There are a lot of direct 

964
00:52:50,680 --> 00:52:53,680
members for the reasons that we 
have said, which is the fear of 

965
00:52:53,680 --> 00:52:56,240
missing out on a lot of these 
perks and a lot of these events.

966
00:52:56,960 --> 00:53:01,360
And do they save us money? 
That can be debated very much, 

967
00:53:01,360 --> 00:53:03,000
especially if you're a 
spreadsheet person. 

968
00:53:03,400 --> 00:53:06,960
But did it make you happy? 
That's, that's all that matters 

969
00:53:06,960 --> 00:53:09,240
at the end. 
So if you if you ask yourself 

970
00:53:09,240 --> 00:53:11,240
all the questions that we've 
kind of brought up over the 

971
00:53:11,240 --> 00:53:14,000
course of this show and the 
answer is yes, then go for it. 

972
00:53:14,720 --> 00:53:18,680
If you're trying to save some 
money, then this guy down here 

973
00:53:18,680 --> 00:53:22,280
is is your man and he'll talk to
you some more point in the wrong

974
00:53:22,280 --> 00:53:24,120
direction, but you get the 
point. 

975
00:53:24,720 --> 00:53:28,440
But that's going to do it for 
this episode of the DVC show. 

976
00:53:28,960 --> 00:53:31,120
Hope you enjoyed it. 
See you next Monday. 

977
00:53:32,840 --> 00:53:33,280
Bye.