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Today we are going to talk about first of all, how long has it
been since? I've hosted one of these shows,
it's been like a year and a half, right?
Big November was November the last time I'm so honored that I
get to be here. Welcome back party as well.
You should as well, you should know it's Forever since I said
here. Yeah, that's good.
That's good to be back. It's good to be back.
We're going to talk about the Disneyland Hotel DVC property
and the announcements that were made covering this.
Paul has been or the Villas at Disneyland, right?
Yeah. I still call it the Disneyland
DVC Tower, but the Villas at Disneyland hotel.
Well, Paul has been following this very closely. 20 years for
feels like, so go ahead and let's get started.
First of all, what are we talking about with the rooms
looks like I was very surprised. That was my.
Why isn't it's not coming up? Very surprised, not a tremendous
amount of one and two bedroom? No, yeah, they really designed
this property. I think around the average
Disneyland guess that's looking to maybe go for three or four
nights or something like that. So the bulk of this property is
really Studios or what they're also calling Duo Studios.
Now, I think the Disney Vacation Club just likes to confuse us
with words sometimes, okay? Duo Studios.
This is basically the equivalent of the tower Studios that we
have at Riviera. Yeah.
So rather than just calling them Tower Studios because they're in
a tower because they're in the tower rather than doing that
we're going to call them Duo Studios.
Like you said, just because just because we want to provide as
much confusion as possible when you're going through the booking
process and that actually has already caused confusion.
I'll get there in a little bit, but so yeah.
Bulk of the rooms. Over 250 Deluxe Studios
somewhere around 40 of the duo Studios.
Very small number of the one in Britain and two bedrooms.
So we 19 one bedroom. Villa has 22 bedroom Villas, and
to Grand Valley has two grand villains.
Yep, and those are going to be the the hard to hard to come by
rooms in this Resort. But boy.
Oh boy. Do they look beautiful?
So I think since the last time we provide an update on this,
we've gotten just a ton of new pictures, Years that we put into
an article on DVC fan.com and just the rooms themselves are
absolutely beautiful. You know, they have different
themes to each one from Fantasia Princess and the Frog sort of
you name it. It's all over the place.
But have you seen the pictures of the three bedrooms?
Those are absolutely insane. They have so it's two stories
similar to like, what we've seen now, normally at the picture and
be awake and things like that. The outdoor patio area is
absolutely wild. It's got a little fire pit out
there is what could go wrong with the fire until it's one of
the indoor/outdoor ones to, right?
Yeah. So it from the inside and enjoy
it from the balcony, as well orgeous.
Yeah. So like that is the the
penthouse of all Penthouse Suites.
That is going to be here at the Villas at the design and the
room designs themselves. Look and let's Make sure that
when we're editing this in post we put some of these pictures up
so people can say what we're talking about the room design,
the color scheme, these look absolutely gorgeous.
Yeah I think they absolutely gorgeous, they went with that
contemporary feel of a room but it's that subtle nod to Disney
that they're throwing into these rooms.
Now that I that I sort of like some people, some people want,
the more Disney upfront feel. But when you're looking at a
Deluxe level property, like this, you're really looking for
something that provides that Deluxe feel.
So, I think they've balance the two here with these rooms pretty
now. Is there any IP in these rooms?
There is, yeah. So, we've got, you know, Frozen
Moana Fantasia. Princess and the Frog.
I feel like I'm forgetting some Jungle Book is in some of them.
So, each one is a little bit different depending on the room
category in the room. Type that you're booking, but
they've sort of just Gone. The gamut, in terms of all of
the different options and most of the IP is going to be on the
artwork. And, and like, the Murphy Beds
when they come down, like, in the duo Studios, that's where
you see, like some of the artwork behind there but they're
not, it's not like in your face, you know, theming.
Yeah. I think Jungle Book in our
picture here right now. Yeah, very and very similar to
what that like they did at Riviera that that was sort of
the awesome thing that they did at Riviera with the artwork
where it was like we still got the the, the Remy kitchen
painting that we have hung in our Kitchen and we've even had
family members tell us. Like, I didn't notice until like
a week later, so that Remy was sitting there with the bowl of
fruit on the painting. And so, I think it's cool that
they're sort of doing those aspects of things again.
I think there's two different camps of DVC owners that some
people love it. Some people hate it, but it's,
it's sort of combining The Best of Both Worlds, with those
Deluxe rooms and everything like that.
The real interesting thing that I think came out of the most
recent news that we received was We did finally pinpoint, what
are the room types? Going to be of these booking
categories. So we've got three room types
and I'm going to go in order of lowest price or lowest point
cost, we don't have Point charts just yet, but what we assume to
be lowest price. Lowest point car cost to the
most first is our standard view. So if you're looking for
streets, parking lots cars, that kind of stuff, that's going to
be your standard view. It also says it features views
of gardens I don't know what that area.
It's probably going to be a garden with like a trash Shack.
Next guest I view of a garden like you have to look around the
hair to actually see the Garden Wall and Disney talk.
Anything that is grass is a garden.
It is like if you look at the boardwalk Garden View, anything
that's grass. Yes, sir weeds but don't get
that confused with what will say later here.
So then you've got preferred view, which is going to be the
pool area, which again, I Love that we're calling a view of a
pool and people swimming in a pool preferred view these days
for me it just doesn't do it. It goes back to the same Riviera
debate where I would more rather stay standard view at Riviera
because I'm watching fireworks versus staying preferred view
where I'm watching. A kids splash pad and Caribbean
Beach. It I just I feel like it's a
little bit backwards but the incredibly weird thing is garden
View is actually going to be probably the most expensive
category at the Disneyland. Tower.
And that is because they have what they're calling these
garden pods that are right out next to the pool area.
And these rooms very small number of the rooms are going to
be these Garden View rooms but they are going to be the only
rooms that really feature in the studio and Duo Studio category,
balconies. So, rest of the resort not going
to have balconies one and two bedrooms and the Grand Villas
are but those Garden View. Yeah, it reminds me of it.
The building looks Like one of the garden Wing buildings of the
Contemporary, so it's like two stories in height.
It looks a lot like it, like in shape.
And so it's kind of like, you got, you know, you look at the
Contemporary, you got like the main feature which is the a
frame and then you've got this Garden wig that I don't know.
Usually nobody really wants, you know, that doesn't choose that
as their first, they usually pick it because it's lower cost.
But here it's kind of flipped right?
Because these you know the cost wise when we called to get
pricing for the A, those were more expensive.
Probably because of the balcony. But, you know, it's like 50/50
shot. You're either going to be in a
balcony or you're going to be, you know, in a patio on ground
level, in some cases level with the pole, you're like basically
on the pool deck because if you look at the artwork, it looks
like, you know, some of those balconies are like rape.
I like all the other chairs for the pole.
So I don't know if I would like that category or not.
If the balconies worth it, I think as members that's
something we need to kind of Get out of our heads because we're
so used to having balconies in our rooms all the time.
And so this is going to be that one Resort that you really need
to think when you're booking that room, if that's something
that's important to you, you know, make sure that you you
choose that Garden View room because you're not going to have
a balcony and every room here. Yeah.
Now I know that they're already doing cash.
Bookings. When do they start selling this
like you know selling the contracts that is honestly the
million dollar question. And You know, we're filming
this. I think on a Thursday could
change between now. And next Monday, when this goes
up as to what we know, we don't have an answer to that question.
Right now what it sounds like is that they're still going through
sort of a lot of the legislative parts of this.
The regulatory process of getting this timeshare approved
in all jurisdictions and things like that.
I have to imagine, I don't know from like a guide standpoint but
a lot of these guides that are in Florida probably have to get
a California license or get like reciprocity between both States.
Yes or no. If they're staying on property,
they can sell to them. But if they are calling from
home, yes they do have to have a California license.
So a lot of them, a lot of friends over there and they are
working on getting their license right now.
So yeah, it's big process. Yeah.
So I think all of those reasons they're sort of this is taking a
little bit longer than they thought which is why they sort
of said hey let's just release cash.
Bookings honestly. And No, people are going to hate
to hear this. I don't think we see this now
until maybe another couple months or so in terms of on sale
and getting Point charts and things like that.
And I have to actually wonder whether or not, they're going to
let people book with points until early 2024 at this point.
Just based off the success that I think they saw with the cash
sales. They saw tremendous amount of
people call-in, basically it broke the phone lines that first
day. You know, we got lucky because I
I called in and press to which was if you were calling for the
Disneyland Resort specifically, whereas most people pressed one.
And then once you got through to that cast member with member
services, they said, okay, let me push you over to the right
department and then it was an hour it was like 150 minute,
wait, or something like that. That was quoted for some people
over there. So somehow I wiggled my way
through and we got, we got two nights in a preferred Deluxe
studio for the the opening two nights at the resort.
So super excited to check that out but Yeah, I wonder if
they've seen so much guys. How much did that cost you?
Uh-huh, a lot of money. So the the preferred view Deluxe
studio is currently at 990 450 at night.
I know, don't remind me, no, but Pete never get sticker shock.
If you ever wanted to know why his DVC member, hold on.
These rat bastards are charged and a thousand dollars, a night
for an F in studio. Yeah.
And so and I think the part that like drives me crazy, and a lot
of members to is that there was no release of information on
what pricing to expect. So, it was basically, like, you
have to call and hope you get through.
And then you have to literally, we had to check one at a time,
right? So he's like, okay, what's how
about this one? And then she would go back.
Back and put us on, hold and go and look and see if there's
availability and see what the price was.
So they actually a lot of the phone line issues were because a
lot of people called heard the pricing and was like, oh never
mind. But I think that if they had
released some sort of chart or information ahead of time
because some people were saying there again, DVC discount, some
people said that there were no TVs in a discount.
There was just a lot of confusion.
We might have paid more than some other people that we don't
know. But yeah, I do agree.
The pricing is Astronomical. So was there a DVC discount?
Not that I know nothing I know of and now that General cash
bookings have started, you know, it is a general cash booking.
So it goes with the standard cancellation protocol and stuff
like that. So we can cancel up to however
many done to get this cash booking.
You've got a call in to member services or is it available
online? It is available now for General
booking so you can book with a travel agent dreams, unlimited
travel.com. You can get a get a quote from
them. And get a cash booking through
them. Now, the first initial launch
was the first day it became available.
It was just members by calling member services.
The next day it was magic key holders which is the annual Pass
Program in California. Those people had to call in to
book and then finally it went oh I wonder if I'll have to call in
and say I wonder if you know what you're looking at is an
opening that price that's inflated, right?
I'm hope and that, you know, We're talking about March of
next year. We're looking at something a
little more reasonable, but a thousand dollars a night on a
studio, I can only imagine what a one-bedroom is going to go
for, or the grand villa, for the grand.
Villa forget it. I mean, that's more than Grand
cow. Yeah.
The so yeah, one bedroom Villa. Yeah, the price that we got for
one bedroom was 1,000 205, which is surprising, because that's
not too much higher than the dog studio and you're getting a
decent amount more room for an extra, Two bucks, two bedroom,
Villa 2003, 87 and then I didn't get pricing on a grand villa,
but I think someone posted it. It was like four to five
thousand. Yeah.
And and I have seen people say that the Granville is were still
available for opening night, which means that most people
would get that. Probably get that price and was
like, never mind. Oh yeah.
So even though I think once points are in play, it's going
to start selling out. I think for the Cash Time it's
just way above what most people are willing to pay.
I will fully admit that I'm completely insane for paying
that price, but I have to be there, have to follow, gotta be,
I gotta see it. But yeah, so, cash.
Bookings are now available when again, it's the million-dollar
question, we literally have people that are messaging us you
know, posts on DVC fan every single day saying when is this
going to be available? When are we going to get Point
charts? When is it going to go on sale?
And unfortunately, we just don't know until they sort of get
through those legislation because I'm very surprised that
if this is opening September 28th, Of this year 2023 when I'm
talking about. Next year jumping September
28th. This still not selling it.
Normally normally there's a six-month window before opening
that they start selling it so maybe they had like you said
some kind of legislative snack because we have to remember
everything in California is a little bit more difficult and
takes a little bit more time. There's a lot of laws, a lot of
rules. that they don't Republican California but I I
don't know, I'm excited about it.
I'm excited about it. And look, unless you buy a
contract there, And have an 11-month booking window or you
pay cash. You're not staying there.
Don't think for a second. That your points are going to
work here. And just a reminder this is a
new DVC Resort. So only points purchase directly
through Disney are going to be able to be used at this Resort.
It's like same as Riviera, you can't use your resale points to
stay here. but, I don't know. Yeah, it's going to be, it's
going to be fun for us. I think it goes back to why we
bought Grand cow. When we bought Grand cal, is
that, you know, we still like the Allure of the Grand
Californian. It's a smaller property, it has
charm to it and stuff like that. Not that this doesn't.
But those are the real reasons why we ended up buying their
rather than waiting for the Disney guaranteed.
A balcony guarantee. No, sir proximity.
Yeah I mean you want to talk about problems?
Booking, you know these Garden View or garden rooms, those are
going to go like hotcakes at the 11 month window and for anyone
that is out there, currently that does have points that are
eligible to book across all properties.
So again, as Pete said, it's sort of going to be that same as
Riviera standards right now, we assume that it's going to have
the same sort of resale restriction.
Again, a lot of this is not fully been released, but the
greatest point in which you're going to have to book is
probably this first. Year of booking in which there's
going to be a little bit more availability because they are
selling. So, once they declare inventory
into the rooms, they might not have sold that much inventory
just yet. So they'll still have a little
bit more availability than otherwise.
So I'd say, if you're on the fence about it, keep an eye on
bookings as they open up in the first year or so, that's going
to be your best opportunity. But to your point, once this
sells out it's going to, it's going to be like the grand cow.
It's going to be like those other property.
No to my surprise. The price per point that they're
announcing is what to we don't have a full answer.
Estimate is probably going to come in somewhere around
somewhere around 227, which is 25.
Yeah. So it's looking at potentially
going to be about a 10 dollar per Point.
Jump from where they're sitting right now granted that's before
any incentives or anything like that.
So it's coming in you could go back across like I think like 10
of our shows or something like that where we've made
predictions on. On all of this I think
originally we were predicting somewhere like 250 275 so these
are predicted over 3 and we were we were we was gonna be over
threat. Well it depends on also how long
they wait I mean if there's like two more price increases by that
time and who knows you know? Anybody at the table planning to
buy in there? No, that ship sailed for us.
And you know what else? I wonder like looking at the
inventory like there's only, you know, 19 one bedroom.
There's only twenty two bedrooms.
If you have a family of five or more, a studio is not going to
work for you because they only sleep for.
So you're stuck with smaller, inventory.
And I wonder if that's going to deter some From purchasing.
Now this is going to be a resort where the 11 month window is
going to be critical critical with that with a small number of
11 two-bedroom units. Yeah but Amy you're absolutely
right. I mean people need that extra
bit. I mean that is huge for a lot of
families that have five people and their family or you know
just want that extra room that extra bed is huge.
It makes or breaks it for a lot of families now Now, how long do
you think before we lie LS? Give this town again.
How long do you think before we see resale contracts?
Well, I think also that will depend on the restrictions as
well, right? Like I mean, they haven't
announced that. So, we're crossing our fingers,
but I mean, I don't know it. We, yeah, we saw our first
Riviera resale contract before riviere opened, but that's, but
they were obviously selling it first.
So this is a difference. Uh, you always hate to talk
about it but obviously something like real bad probably had to
happen was like one of those earlier Liars or something like
that. But we did.
I think we did see like the first Riviera's.
But again, like even at that point it was kind of like no one
knew where the pricing should be.
So if you watch the Riviera price for the first six months
or so in terms of resale prices it was up down left, right?
No one really had a gauge as to where it was going to sort of
settle into for that. I think what we're going to see
here. Also is everyone's going to be
Super excited about this California Resort, right.
We had Grand cal and it's been this, you know, anomaly out on
the west coast that is just so hard to book into.
And so you're going to have a lot of people really excited
about this California Resort they're going to jump on it and
then they're going to be like, well actually how often do I go
out to California? I live on the east coast, maybe
I might go out there once every you know, however many years and
so maybe having that booking priority isn't as important as I
thought it was, you know? I'm not gonna lie, I got super
excited about, I'm like, yeah, I'm gonna buy in there and I'm,
like, I've been to California, Disneyland, California.
Once I just went there, actually for the first time last year.
So really how often am I going to use that?
It's going to be, you know, much more to my advantage to buy
something over here at Walt Disney World.
So I think maybe we might see some sales from Mom and I
haven't been recently, but generally speaking about,
they're quite a bit, and I had considered buying in on this
one, it when it comes up with. Sale.
Now, it remains to be seen. I may still do that as of right
now. No, as of right now, I look at
the number of points I have and I'm like, I'm good, I'm good.
I as it is, as it is, I'm struggling, do something with
these points and I really should just start writing them out.
That's an option is probably what I should do.
Yeah, but I think that's going to be the thought process for
everybody, you know? Like that initial excitement and
then it's like, okay, let's just take a step back for a second.
Know how much am I going to really use this?
We, we did that. We walk rank.
How we were, like, just there, like, right around when we close
and then we were like, oh crap, we have points that we gotta use
them or we're gonna end up losing them.
And so, we ended up running a grande cap reservation out
through rental store. Just because we were like,
there's no way we can make it back.
Between now and then you know what I mean?
And now we got a cash booking. It doesn't hour or so now I'm
like, are we going to use our next Grant cow points?
So yeah, I love, I love having, you know, points there.
And then the other thing about this new land is you don't need
as many points because you don't need as many days.
That's Jimmy, you don't, you don't typically go go out for
like a week or so, some might, but like for us, you know, like
four nights or so is usually pretty good for a Disneyland
trip. You know, for a while longer,
don't you I'm usually out there for ya when I'm out there.
I'm, I'm usually out there for a while.
I feel like the point charts, May say something different when
we get there. I think these Point charts will
probably be inflated from Riviera standards, most likely.
And that's going to be some Hefty Point charts.
And let's not forget, I think Riviera is a great comparison
for this Resort. 300 rooms, 300 rooms.
This is going to be on par with the size of Riviera, in terms of
the number of points available. In the number of points that are
going to be able to be sold for this Resort and I think that's
going to be very telling in terms of its sales, there's a
lot of people that are like this is going to sell out.
I saw some person right that someone some some sales person
at a kiosk said that they never even thought it was going to get
the general sales or something like that.
And I'm first off don't put a grain of salt into any of those
rumors or anything like that. But I think that most people
will be surprised with how long this is on sale.
Dale. I think this will be on sale for
a lot longer than a lot of people think really, for all of
these reasons that you guys are saying in terms of, you know,
people reconsidering it. And also, when you look at the
market, how are, how are you going to?
And I mean, I don't know if you were selling when Grand cow was
selling at all or anything. Yeah.
But in terms of like, you know, you look back, historically
Grand cow struggled with its sales and I have to imagine if I
was a sales guy doubt here in Florida, That's going to be a
tough sell to really sell someone on Disneyland.
If they've if they're just here for their family, Walt Disney
World trip that they do every year.
How are you going to sell someone on Disney Vacation Club
property? That's out California.
I think that it's going to be for sale a lot longer than a lot
of people. I mean, there's there's people
like us who know, who know a lot about the VC and, and that want
to purchase in our reading of the waiting and calling their
guide and telling them like you know, don't forget about me,
don't forget about me but I I think the bulk of their sales
and Danny you, you were a guy for a long time, are from those,
like, newer families, right? That aren't already members, it
just are starting to enjoy Disney.
And that's where a lot of their sales come from.
And so, you're right. It would be, it would be kind of
challenging from Florida to sell those people and most of those
people want to vacation in Disney World.
I mean, like here with every Resort you're always going to
have that initial like excitement.
I mean I can't tell you when Riviera was announced you know
and we were selling Copper Creek at the time was live and you
know we knew Riviera was going to be the next property.
Everyone was like oh I'm gonna wait I'm gonna wait I'm going to
wait for a Riviera you know I want this new resort then
Riviera came out and they're like it's pretty expensive.
I don't like the resale restrictions.
I think I'm gonna go with Copper Creek or Saratoga even, you
know. And so you always have that with
every Resort and then now we're talking about this Resort that's
on the complete opposite side. Side of the country.
So you're going to have, you know, those different objections
that you're going to face as well.
Oh, I also, you know, we've talked about this a lot, how
these will appreciate Overtime. Take a look at what happened
with Grand Californian. Grand Californian introduced.
It was 70. Some odd dollars, appoint.
Yeah. And now your average contract
269 247 to 46. You know, you're talking about
250 dollars a point now. I think the same thing is going
to happen and I'm not a financial advisor and share and
this is a disclaimer. I'm just sharing my opinion.
I could be completely full of crap and not know what I'm
talking about. But my personal opinion, my
personal opinion is that these going to appreciate in value
rapidly. You know whether or not they
will see the same type of growth that grin California.
Did I depth? You know?
Introducing is 70 some of those a point versus $240 a point.
It's a very different story is a very different story.
I don't think these are going to go up to five $600 a point, but
I think they will appreciate quickly and I think it will sell
out faster than what you're saying.
I think it will sell out faster. Got to remember the Southern
California audience. It's not about Out, the East
Coast here. It's not about the East Coast
because yeah, look look, a Lonnie is still for sale.
Okay. Oh, Lonnie is still for sale
because people from the East Coast, do not want to take that
trip. Okay.
And you have a lot of people that own it Aulani that are from
the West Coast now. But I own it Aulani because I
got an incredible deal on those points.
An incredible deal on those points.
There is a part of me tempted to buy in, but I don't think I can
I don't know. I can't spend the points I have
now. I think we should all take bets
on whether he is going to rise and Willow and when it opens
like that is usually like some of the lowest pricing.
You mean you will see in a really long time until it starts
like going down and in the ears that are left and we saw that
with you know, Grand Floridian direct and a lot of others.
So you know, maybe it is worth buying and then selling later
down the road when it when it makes more money.
But just by Grant County also not a financial advisor.
Yeah. Or just by crank out.
So you don't have the restrictions.
There you go. Yeah, yeah.
And that's another point to the. The pricing is what those if
those restrictions do carry over from Riviera.
Which again, we've not seen, you know, the point of sale
agreement or anything that's going to we say, said, with
Riviera that, all future resorts are going to have these
restrictions. So I don't see any way.
Anyway that they don't I don't see any way that they don't have
the restrictions attached. Yeah, I mean look really bad on
Riviera if they didn't, you know.
Well I will be honest because I was there when it happened and
there was a lot of debate. I mean it caused a lot of talk
behind the scenes. So I mean, I'm very curious.
I mean, what do you mean? Well, members were really not.
Not happy about the restrictions because I still, I mean, why do
you buy DVC versus any other timeshare out there?
It's like you have that peace of mind.
You know that you're you know, your purchase is going to be
valuable down the road and if God forbid, anything were to
happen, you could always turn around and sell it, and it has
that value. And people were even people that
bought direct obviously, you know, they wanted that piece of
mind that if they ever needed to sell it that they could and we
didn't know what was going to happen with the resale value.
And so there A lot of talk behind the scenes going back and
forth whether or not that was a good idea.
So I am very intrigued to see what happens because there has
not been any announcement yet. So yeah.
And I have to like, in terms of the time that's passed between
now and then, I mean, we've gone through a pandemic, we've gone
through leadership changes at DVC and stuff like that.
And I always have to wonder what DVC is objective is, and I think
it's budget to budget. I think it's, you know, how do
we get to the next point in terms of we're going to be
talking about that on an upcoming show in terms of where
prices are headed and stuff like that and you know recent sales
Trends and stuff like that. But I really I really think that
maybe they you think that they have this giant master plan in
place but it's really just year-to-year something like
that, right? I mean I one thing that I do
love about DVC is that they really listen to members and
members are very loud and proud to a point.
Yeah, of course. You know, I think, you know, as
much as we think that they have this big master plan.
I do think that they also listened as well.
And so they're constantly making decisions based on what
everybody is saying. So it's going to be interesting.
I would say that. Yeah, well I'm intrigued to see
where this goes. We've been waiting a long time.
At least we have more information now it's like we get
a little bit more every every few hours.
Yeah. So this could all be obsolete by
the time this may get exactly. This could be completely
obsolete by the time, it goes long but all right folks that's
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