1 00:00:00,440 --> 00:00:02,720 Since it's the holiday season and you just made me a bunch of 2 00:00:02,720 --> 00:00:05,000 cookies, I thought I'd go around the room real quick and say, 3 00:00:05,000 --> 00:00:07,240 Jeff, what's your favorite holiday cookie? 4 00:00:08,640 --> 00:00:10,880 Oh, I. Don't know if this qualifies, 5 00:00:10,880 --> 00:00:14,120 but it has cinnamon in it, so I'm going to say snickerdoodle, 6 00:00:14,360 --> 00:00:15,320 yeah. That's a good count. 7 00:00:15,320 --> 00:00:17,080 That's a good count, yeah. Anything. 8 00:00:17,200 --> 00:00:19,000 Honestly, I got some snickerdoodles in the in the 9 00:00:19,000 --> 00:00:20,880 cupboard right now. So, Derek. 10 00:00:21,640 --> 00:00:26,240 I don't really like cookies. What I'm not I'm not a big bug, 11 00:00:27,360 --> 00:00:31,440 but we we were talking about it on the last show that we taped 12 00:00:31,520 --> 00:00:33,880 kind of that like morning tradition. 13 00:00:33,880 --> 00:00:37,120 So when I think of Christmas, I always think of I have to get 14 00:00:37,720 --> 00:00:40,400 those cinnamon rolls. But they're not cinnamon. 15 00:00:40,560 --> 00:00:44,080 It's the ones with the orange icing on them that you buy. 16 00:00:44,080 --> 00:00:47,160 It like, yeah, those are gross. You went from. 17 00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:50,520 You went from. Terrible not liking cookies to 18 00:00:50,560 --> 00:00:53,880 even worse with orange iced cinnamon rolls. 19 00:00:53,880 --> 00:00:56,360 So if you don't like. Orange sticks too, don't you? 20 00:00:56,360 --> 00:00:58,040 I don't. Even know what those are. 21 00:00:58,560 --> 00:01:01,080 The chocolate covered orange Jelly things. 22 00:01:01,800 --> 00:01:04,599 Oh, no, no. So if you don't like cinnamon, 23 00:01:04,959 --> 00:01:07,200 I'm sorry. If you don't like cookies, what 24 00:01:07,200 --> 00:01:09,840 is like your like holiday dessert of choice, just not a. 25 00:01:10,560 --> 00:01:11,720 Cinnamon rolls. That's not. 26 00:01:11,720 --> 00:01:15,600 That's like a breakfast. Can eat that breakfast, lunch 27 00:01:15,600 --> 00:01:17,840 and dinner. Yeah, he probably asked 28 00:01:17,840 --> 00:01:21,640 fruitcakes too. There's no good can eat the 29 00:01:21,640 --> 00:01:25,240 whole tin like on Christmas morning and a big giant glass of 30 00:01:25,320 --> 00:01:29,280 milk and it's that vanilla orangey icing and it's super 31 00:01:29,280 --> 00:01:31,840 sticky and I'm hungry. I'm hungry. 32 00:01:33,160 --> 00:01:45,230 Glad this ain't a food show. Hey everybody, and welcome to 33 00:01:45,230 --> 00:01:48,790 this episode of the DVC Show. I'm your host, Paul Krieger, 34 00:01:48,790 --> 00:01:50,710 joined as always by my lovely wife Amy Krieger. 35 00:01:50,710 --> 00:01:52,990 I didn't ask you what was your What's your favorite Christmas 36 00:01:52,990 --> 00:01:54,950 cookie? Well, I'm always a chocolate 37 00:01:54,950 --> 00:01:58,910 chip girl, but I around Christmas my mom makes spritz 38 00:01:58,990 --> 00:02:02,870 and the thing I love about them is that they have almond extract 39 00:02:02,870 --> 00:02:06,110 and I love that flavour. So that's what I'm gonna go. 40 00:02:06,110 --> 00:02:09,039 With that is yours. Oh man, there's too many to 41 00:02:09,039 --> 00:02:14,440 name. I I love so the like 7 layer 42 00:02:14,440 --> 00:02:16,720 cookies that your mom makes. Those are really good. 43 00:02:16,720 --> 00:02:19,520 I love my mom's chocolate chip cookies smeared with peanut 44 00:02:19,520 --> 00:02:21,680 butter. Just you can just slather peanut 45 00:02:21,680 --> 00:02:24,960 butter all over those. Lemon pie bars. 46 00:02:24,960 --> 00:02:28,640 Lemon pie bars. Just there's too many to name, 47 00:02:28,640 --> 00:02:30,480 really. If it's a cookie, I'll eat it. 48 00:02:31,120 --> 00:02:34,120 Speaking of cookies, a man that won't eat any Derek de Boer. 49 00:02:35,720 --> 00:02:37,920 I didn't know. Hey, I just happened to remember 50 00:02:37,920 --> 00:02:38,760 them. Now. 51 00:02:38,760 --> 00:02:42,120 I do love the ones that you buy in the grocery store that are 52 00:02:42,120 --> 00:02:45,560 like like $2.00 and you could get them like they make them for 53 00:02:45,560 --> 00:02:47,400 Halloween. You know, it's kind of those 54 00:02:47,400 --> 00:02:49,160 prepackaged. Like. 55 00:02:49,280 --> 00:02:53,120 Elves, they have them super processed, but something about 56 00:02:53,320 --> 00:02:55,080 cookies, I love it. I love those things. 57 00:02:55,840 --> 00:02:58,680 Jeff, just say anything and save us, please. 58 00:02:59,360 --> 00:03:02,480 I like everything about Christmas except orange rolls. 59 00:03:06,560 --> 00:03:10,240 Oh man, and you know what's weird about this is normally 60 00:03:10,240 --> 00:03:12,200 Derek's food choices are really spot on. 61 00:03:12,200 --> 00:03:14,680 Like I've I've enjoyed a lot of his recommendations over the 62 00:03:14,680 --> 00:03:16,320 years. I definitely love his beer 63 00:03:16,320 --> 00:03:20,480 recommendations. His the the sliders that he 64 00:03:20,480 --> 00:03:23,240 talks about all the time at the at. 65 00:03:23,760 --> 00:03:26,560 I wanted to say Lamplight Lounge but that was really not correct. 66 00:03:26,920 --> 00:03:28,520 Not Crew Cup. Lounge. 67 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:31,200 I don't know why I want the lamplight now. 68 00:03:31,200 --> 00:03:33,520 I want lamplight though. They've got some good nachos. 69 00:03:33,520 --> 00:03:35,960 They're nachos, so. Gonna have to go out in the West 70 00:03:35,960 --> 00:03:37,520 Coast. Well, hey, happy Monday, 71 00:03:37,520 --> 00:03:40,120 everybody. There's been a decent amount of 72 00:03:40,120 --> 00:03:43,080 news that has happened in the Disney Vacation Club space over 73 00:03:43,080 --> 00:03:45,520 the course of the past few weeks, and hopefully this show 74 00:03:45,520 --> 00:03:47,600 ages well. And there's not any more news 75 00:03:47,600 --> 00:03:50,400 tomorrow because we're filming this the day before the condo 76 00:03:50,400 --> 00:03:53,920 association meetings. So terrible timing, probably on 77 00:03:53,920 --> 00:03:56,640 our filming schedule part, but it's really hard to get a bunch 78 00:03:56,640 --> 00:03:59,200 of people in the same room around the holiday season. 79 00:03:59,200 --> 00:04:03,800 So we do as we can here. But we are filming this episode 80 00:04:03,800 --> 00:04:06,000 on December 8th. And over the past few weeks 81 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:08,400 we've gotten a lot of Disney Vacation Club news, a lot of the 82 00:04:08,400 --> 00:04:11,840 stuff that we normally expect for this time of year, end of 83 00:04:11,840 --> 00:04:13,600 the year, all that kind of fun stuff. 84 00:04:13,600 --> 00:04:17,040 So we thought let's do a little bit of a news recap and bring it 85 00:04:17,040 --> 00:04:20,079 all to you along with some terrible cookie recommendations. 86 00:04:20,680 --> 00:04:24,480 And before we go any further, this and all of our content is 87 00:04:24,480 --> 00:04:28,680 brought to you by Key Holder Vacations in the world of DVCDVC 88 00:04:28,680 --> 00:04:32,200 resale market where you can buy or sell that Disney Vacation 89 00:04:32,200 --> 00:04:34,320 Club contract. We'll get to this a little bit 90 00:04:34,320 --> 00:04:37,840 further in the news, but remember that $500 resale 91 00:04:37,840 --> 00:04:42,840 contract admin fees going to go on beginning January 1st. 92 00:04:42,840 --> 00:04:46,120 So if you are looking to, you know, not have to worry about 93 00:04:46,120 --> 00:04:49,800 that $500 fee that's going to start to be charged, you know, 94 00:04:49,800 --> 00:04:54,280 make sure to get that fully signed contract locked in before 95 00:04:54,280 --> 00:04:59,000 the end of the year. Monera Financial can also assist 96 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:01,240 in financing that DVC resale contract. 97 00:05:01,240 --> 00:05:03,720 Purchase the DVC rental store where you can try before you 98 00:05:03,720 --> 00:05:05,800 buy. Rent some points or rent out 99 00:05:05,800 --> 00:05:08,720 your own points for cash and unlocked Magic, unlocked 100 00:05:08,720 --> 00:05:13,320 magic.com/DVC fan discounted Walt Disney World, Disneyland 101 00:05:13,320 --> 00:05:16,520 and Universal Orlando park tickets. 102 00:05:19,040 --> 00:05:22,200 I know I always feel like I come up for air after after I go 103 00:05:22,200 --> 00:05:25,160 through all of that because I don't know if I breathe when I 104 00:05:25,160 --> 00:05:28,360 actually say it all. Does anyone check whether or not 105 00:05:28,360 --> 00:05:29,960 I do? Does my face progressively get 106 00:05:29,960 --> 00:05:33,240 more red? I zone out honestly. 107 00:05:33,640 --> 00:05:35,640 That's that's nice. I just feel for you because 108 00:05:35,640 --> 00:05:41,600 every time I do a vlog I have to do that too and it's we got some 109 00:05:41,600 --> 00:05:44,000 bloopers down the road hopefully because the last time I did it 110 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:46,040 to eat to the beat it took me 14 tries. 111 00:05:46,440 --> 00:05:49,600 Oh my goodness, Sunday's over. Amy was dying. 112 00:05:49,640 --> 00:05:50,440 She was laughing. So. 113 00:05:50,480 --> 00:05:51,600 Hard. I'll put him on Patreon. 114 00:05:51,640 --> 00:05:54,720 Oh man. Yes, yes, please do. 115 00:05:55,400 --> 00:05:58,040 Well, let's see, we've got quite a little laundry list of news 116 00:05:58,040 --> 00:05:59,600 that we need to get through here today. 117 00:05:59,600 --> 00:06:03,640 So I'm going to kick it right off and talk about the 2026 118 00:06:03,640 --> 00:06:06,360 Disney Vacation Club annual dues, which were announced 119 00:06:06,360 --> 00:06:10,400 several weeks ago. Biggest takeaways coming out of 120 00:06:10,400 --> 00:06:12,800 the annual dues this year? This was probably the largest 121 00:06:12,800 --> 00:06:17,880 dues increase that we have seen in recent, you know, memory when 122 00:06:17,880 --> 00:06:22,920 it comes to the dues. You can find these over on 123 00:06:22,920 --> 00:06:26,680 dvcfan.com. You can also find a full 124 00:06:27,320 --> 00:06:32,200 breakdown an analysis of the increase over on the DVC Resale 125 00:06:32,200 --> 00:06:36,120 market website, but blended increase across all of the 126 00:06:36,120 --> 00:06:42,560 resorts 6.38%, which is pretty incredible considering that the 127 00:06:42,560 --> 00:06:45,280 normal average here for dues is around 3:00 to. 128 00:06:45,280 --> 00:06:49,160 Five and actually I, someone had asked that question on our live 129 00:06:49,160 --> 00:06:50,320 stream. It was one of the questions that 130 00:06:50,320 --> 00:06:52,920 we didn't get to and they were asking, you know, what is, what 131 00:06:52,920 --> 00:06:57,920 is usually the average of what annual dues goes up by and when 132 00:06:57,920 --> 00:07:02,120 we have. So, so when contracts are being 133 00:07:02,120 --> 00:07:07,760 sold, you know, maybe after like September or so, that's when we 134 00:07:07,760 --> 00:07:12,360 start seeing, you know, the buyers being responsible for 135 00:07:12,360 --> 00:07:16,040 2026 annual dues usually like in what October, November or so, 136 00:07:16,040 --> 00:07:19,800 Derek. And by that time, we don't know 137 00:07:19,800 --> 00:07:23,040 what those numbers are yet because Disney hasn't projected 138 00:07:23,040 --> 00:07:25,080 them. But because the buyers are 139 00:07:25,080 --> 00:07:28,120 getting those points and the the contract is going to close at a 140 00:07:28,120 --> 00:07:32,080 time where Disney requires a 2026 dues to be paid at the time 141 00:07:32,080 --> 00:07:35,880 of closing, we have to account for those dues. 142 00:07:35,880 --> 00:07:39,840 And so as a role, we used to always do, you know, we used to 143 00:07:39,840 --> 00:07:45,040 add 5% to the previous year's dues just to have a number to 144 00:07:45,040 --> 00:07:47,400 put on a loan estimate that would make sense. 145 00:07:48,040 --> 00:07:53,680 And most of the time we would be close or over, you know, when we 146 00:07:53,680 --> 00:07:56,640 did 5%, we'd made it 6% this year. 147 00:07:56,640 --> 00:07:59,680 And I'm starting to see now, you know, our loan estimates 148 00:07:59,680 --> 00:08:02,520 compared to what the actual closing costs are, are being. 149 00:08:02,520 --> 00:08:05,360 And, and I can see in some of these we've been off, you know, 150 00:08:05,360 --> 00:08:08,000 I mean, and, and we underestimated which which, you 151 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:10,080 know, unfortunately that's just part of not knowing what 152 00:08:10,080 --> 00:08:11,760 Disney's going to do. But. 153 00:08:11,760 --> 00:08:14,000 And, and that's, you know, understandable when it comes to 154 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:16,880 annual dues. But yeah, yeah, I so normally we 155 00:08:16,880 --> 00:08:22,200 go 5 to 6%, you know, more and and like you said, the one of 156 00:08:22,200 --> 00:08:26,080 them was as high as nine, you know, 9.06 for Bay Lake Tower, 157 00:08:26,360 --> 00:08:31,000 8.225 or yeah, 8.22 for percent for Grand Cal. 158 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:36,720 So across the board being more than 6% was, was interesting, 159 00:08:36,760 --> 00:08:38,159 you know, average. Yeah. 160 00:08:38,159 --> 00:08:41,360 And I I think it just throws for a loop anyone that ever has been 161 00:08:41,360 --> 00:08:44,800 a number cruncher or spreadsheet, you know warrior of 162 00:08:44,800 --> 00:08:49,280 putting together that projected, you know, annual depreciation of 163 00:08:49,440 --> 00:08:53,040 that that upfront cost and and also factoring in those annual 164 00:08:53,040 --> 00:08:55,920 dues creases year over year. Like you said, you know, 165 00:08:55,920 --> 00:08:59,120 averaging that 3 to 5% or whatever that historical 166 00:08:59,120 --> 00:09:02,600 increase is going to be to now jump to six, it really changes 167 00:09:02,600 --> 00:09:06,960 those numbers across. Yeah, 6% was like our safe 168 00:09:06,960 --> 00:09:09,040 number. So now I might, you know, I 169 00:09:09,040 --> 00:09:12,520 might up it to 8%. When we do those estimates, you 170 00:09:12,520 --> 00:09:14,520 know, we're not over. That's not what we're charging. 171 00:09:14,520 --> 00:09:18,080 That's just us estimating for you and then you pay the actual 172 00:09:18,080 --> 00:09:21,040 amount because by that time Disney puts out the information. 173 00:09:21,120 --> 00:09:22,600 Yeah. Derek, what kind of response 174 00:09:22,600 --> 00:09:24,760 have you been hearing from members based off of the annual 175 00:09:24,760 --> 00:09:27,720 dues this year? Well, I think so too. 176 00:09:27,720 --> 00:09:30,440 It's also important that for maybe folks that aren't, you 177 00:09:30,440 --> 00:09:34,240 know, 100% familiar with how the dues work, always remember that 178 00:09:34,240 --> 00:09:37,240 it's, you know, based on the resort itself and then it's per 179 00:09:37,240 --> 00:09:39,640 point. So sometimes when we talk about 180 00:09:39,640 --> 00:09:43,320 like, oh, they went up 6%, they went up 7, Bay Lake Tower went 181 00:09:43,320 --> 00:09:45,920 up 9. Just to put it in perspective. 182 00:09:45,920 --> 00:09:50,960 So that, you know, dues for Bay Lake Tower in 2025 were $8.01 183 00:09:51,240 --> 00:09:53,600 per point, right? So that means if I had 100 184 00:09:53,600 --> 00:09:57,800 points at Bay Lake, I paid 800 bucks a year for 2026, they went 185 00:09:57,800 --> 00:10:04,360 up 9.06%, so they went up to $8.74 per point. 186 00:10:04,560 --> 00:10:08,640 So at the end of the day, it's nothing, you know, not that 187 00:10:08,800 --> 00:10:13,360 massive. You're still coming out way, way 188 00:10:13,360 --> 00:10:17,120 better than you were if you were not a Disney Vacation Club 189 00:10:17,120 --> 00:10:20,040 member because you're always going to have to pay whatever 190 00:10:20,040 --> 00:10:22,080 that hotel room is. You're going to have to pay 12 191 00:10:22,080 --> 00:10:27,080 1/2% tax every single night. Plus the hotel rates go up, you 192 00:10:27,080 --> 00:10:31,560 know, 10/15/20 percent. So the end of the day, I'd 193 00:10:31,560 --> 00:10:34,440 rather be an owner and own something that maybe, you know, 194 00:10:34,560 --> 00:10:40,680 increased 5% or 6% versus being a non member, having to pay that 195 00:10:40,680 --> 00:10:44,600 12 1/2% tax, being at the mercy of the hotel rooms, you know, 196 00:10:44,600 --> 00:10:47,560 going up each and every single year. 197 00:10:47,560 --> 00:10:49,800 Because at the end of the day, that's it. 198 00:10:49,880 --> 00:10:52,240 It's that famous story. You know, when Disney World 199 00:10:52,240 --> 00:10:55,440 opened, it was, you know, 29 bucks a night to stay at the 200 00:10:55,440 --> 00:10:59,120 Contemporary, $29.00 a night. You could go to the Contemporary 201 00:10:59,120 --> 00:11:03,800 right now, rent that room and you're talking 67800 dollars a 202 00:11:03,800 --> 00:11:09,160 night plus 12 1/2% tax. So yeah, I mean, the dues went 203 00:11:09,160 --> 00:11:12,080 up a little bit more, you know, than normally. 204 00:11:12,080 --> 00:11:16,520 Maybe they have in the past, but still, I still think you're way 205 00:11:16,520 --> 00:11:19,440 better ahead being a member than not being a member. 206 00:11:20,240 --> 00:11:22,200 I'd. Like to jump in really quick and 207 00:11:22,200 --> 00:11:25,440 just echo that because we talk about percentages, percentage of 208 00:11:25,440 --> 00:11:28,040 percentages. That sounds like a lot of money. 209 00:11:28,280 --> 00:11:32,520 My personal old Key West went up to $0.70 you. 210 00:11:32,920 --> 00:11:36,120 Know per point. Over the course of the year for 211 00:11:36,120 --> 00:11:39,280 the contracts, it was less than 100 bucks, you know what I mean? 212 00:11:39,280 --> 00:11:42,400 So perspective is important is all I'll say. 213 00:11:42,400 --> 00:11:45,400 I mean, we don't like prices to go up, but like Derek was 214 00:11:45,400 --> 00:11:49,320 saying, way less than than hotel rooms have tracked. 215 00:11:49,480 --> 00:11:51,760 So you're still way ahead of inflation I feel like. 216 00:11:52,760 --> 00:11:56,560 Yeah, I, I think it's always fun to like find the outliers 217 00:11:56,560 --> 00:11:58,960 related to these numbers. Amy already mentioned once Bay 218 00:11:58,960 --> 00:12:02,040 Lake Tower was a big one. Grand Californian was a big 19 219 00:12:02,040 --> 00:12:06,440 point O six, 8.22% increases. The big commonality that those 220 00:12:06,440 --> 00:12:09,520 two resorts have around each other are the fact that they 221 00:12:09,520 --> 00:12:11,280 recently went through a refurbishment. 222 00:12:11,800 --> 00:12:15,200 Wondering if that has any. Yeah, exactly. 223 00:12:15,200 --> 00:12:19,320 You know, as Jeff puts air quotes up, you know, it's I 224 00:12:19,360 --> 00:12:21,080 think it makes sense for Bay Lake Tower. 225 00:12:21,080 --> 00:12:23,360 That was a home run of a refurbishment. 226 00:12:23,360 --> 00:12:25,920 They definitely gutted that place and then put it back 227 00:12:25,920 --> 00:12:29,400 together and amazing artwork by Joey Chu all over the place. 228 00:12:29,400 --> 00:12:31,320 Like they they invested a lot of time and money into that. 229 00:12:31,600 --> 00:12:34,760 And you know, Bay Lake Tower, at least you know, Derek would stay 230 00:12:34,760 --> 00:12:36,600 there and not completely hate it now. 231 00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:41,880 But you know, Grand Cow to have such a significant increase. 232 00:12:42,320 --> 00:12:44,800 You know, we just wrapped a future show that'll go up. 233 00:12:45,280 --> 00:12:48,120 That is our year in review. But we talked about the Grand 234 00:12:48,120 --> 00:12:50,600 Cow refurbishment again, and we talked about how when you 235 00:12:50,600 --> 00:12:53,840 actually crunched the numbers when it relates to the budget, 236 00:12:53,840 --> 00:12:58,120 they spent, you know, well over $100,000 per room essentially. 237 00:12:58,120 --> 00:13:01,520 And I think a lot of members are asking the questions, where did 238 00:13:01,520 --> 00:13:03,680 that money go? Now hopefully by the time this 239 00:13:03,680 --> 00:13:06,440 goes up again, this is the day before the condo association 240 00:13:06,440 --> 00:13:08,640 meetings, I can guarantee you those questions are going to be 241 00:13:08,640 --> 00:13:10,480 asked. Where did the money go? 242 00:13:10,480 --> 00:13:13,520 How is it spent? Because truly that is why these 243 00:13:13,520 --> 00:13:17,040 condo association meetings happen is mainly to ask those 244 00:13:17,040 --> 00:13:19,120 budgetary questions more than anything. 245 00:13:19,120 --> 00:13:22,440 And I think members want to know the answer to that this year 246 00:13:22,440 --> 00:13:25,640 more than any other year, but also then have the justification 247 00:13:25,640 --> 00:13:29,160 of why did then the dues increase so exponentially. 248 00:13:29,640 --> 00:13:33,040 If you are looking for this information, you can always head 249 00:13:33,040 --> 00:13:37,200 over to your Disney Vacation Club account on the DVC website. 250 00:13:37,200 --> 00:13:40,800 Go to condo, condo window notices, I believe is the 251 00:13:40,800 --> 00:13:44,240 section under my dashboard and then under the condo notices 252 00:13:44,240 --> 00:13:47,440 section, you will actually be able to find the full projected 253 00:13:47,440 --> 00:13:50,600 dues for the next year. And that also breaks it down in 254 00:13:50,600 --> 00:13:53,760 much more detail than we are currently today, which it 255 00:13:53,760 --> 00:13:55,880 factors in. You know, this much is going 256 00:13:55,880 --> 00:13:59,200 towards administration, this much is going towards 257 00:13:59,440 --> 00:14:03,280 maintenance, this much is going towards housekeeping, All those 258 00:14:03,280 --> 00:14:05,960 kind of fun breakdowns. Animal Kingdom, as we always 259 00:14:05,960 --> 00:14:10,320 laugh about, has its animal line item for the care and feeding of 260 00:14:10,320 --> 00:14:12,280 the animals that are at Animal Kingdom Lodge. 261 00:14:12,640 --> 00:14:18,320 So yeah, other notable resorts of Vero Beach only saw a very 262 00:14:18,320 --> 00:14:21,240 small increase, but that's because it also always falls 263 00:14:21,240 --> 00:14:24,920 into what I call the Big 3 when it comes to the annual dues. 264 00:14:25,760 --> 00:14:31,360 So first we've got at the top of the list is Derek's beloved Vero 265 00:14:31,360 --> 00:14:37,280 Beach Resort at a whopping $14.89 per point. 266 00:14:38,480 --> 00:14:42,320 So yeah, that's, that's a Stinger of a of an annual. 267 00:14:42,320 --> 00:14:44,840 That's the first one to break 14, right? 268 00:14:44,840 --> 00:14:48,360 Yeah, Yep. Next up, thank you, Thank you to 269 00:14:48,360 --> 00:14:53,080 all the Vero Beach owners that take hits for the team by every 270 00:14:53,080 --> 00:14:56,800 single year, paying those dues so I can enjoy and all of us can 271 00:14:56,800 --> 00:15:00,560 enjoy Vero beat. That is true. 272 00:15:00,560 --> 00:15:03,720 Followed closely behind in another beloved resort if you've 273 00:15:03,720 --> 00:15:09,080 ever had the chance to get there is Hilton Head Island, $12.86 274 00:15:09,720 --> 00:15:12,720 per point. And then the newcomer to the 275 00:15:12,720 --> 00:15:17,200 list, which is a reason if you, if you have track, you know, 276 00:15:17,200 --> 00:15:21,000 direct point sales, there's not a lot that occur at the cabins 277 00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:23,080 at Fort Wilderness. And I think the dues are one of 278 00:15:23,080 --> 00:15:27,800 those things that scare a lot of people away $12.27 per point 279 00:15:28,240 --> 00:15:30,600 over there. But also seeing a significantly 280 00:15:30,600 --> 00:15:33,840 low increase, which I think is a relative of the fact that they 281 00:15:33,840 --> 00:15:35,320 are actively selling this property. 282 00:15:35,320 --> 00:15:39,680 It would, it only saw three .36% increase year over year. 283 00:15:39,840 --> 00:15:42,920 And we'll want to keep a close eye on that one as we head 284 00:15:42,920 --> 00:15:46,440 forward into 2027. Because again, all eyes are on 285 00:15:46,440 --> 00:15:51,200 Lakeshore Lodge to see if it gets pulled into the Palmetto 286 00:15:51,200 --> 00:15:55,040 Trust and becomes a part of the cabins of Fort Wilderness, which 287 00:15:55,040 --> 00:15:58,320 could maybe bring this number down, which I think owners of 288 00:15:58,320 --> 00:16:00,080 that resort would desperately love. 289 00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:03,400 Go ahead, Derek. No, I was just curious that if 290 00:16:03,400 --> 00:16:06,880 you can find out why my boardwalk dues went up like 291 00:16:06,880 --> 00:16:12,720 almost 7% when half the resort is closed, I would really love 292 00:16:12,720 --> 00:16:15,760 to know why they went up. They're closing art galleries, 293 00:16:15,760 --> 00:16:18,480 they're closing restaurants, they're closing Jelly rolls, 294 00:16:18,480 --> 00:16:20,680 everything is closed. Why are my dues? 295 00:16:20,720 --> 00:16:23,080 And it's not just from power washing the boardwalk like they 296 00:16:23,080 --> 00:16:24,960 do every two months? I don't know. 297 00:16:25,040 --> 00:16:27,400 Well. Dues are future budget, right? 298 00:16:27,400 --> 00:16:29,800 So that's they're going to put a bowling alley down there where 299 00:16:30,120 --> 00:16:33,440 Citywalk used to be or whatever. You're going to be so excited 300 00:16:33,440 --> 00:16:37,560 when it's done. When it comes to these 301 00:16:37,560 --> 00:16:40,360 increases, do you think that there's any singular driver 302 00:16:40,360 --> 00:16:43,840 that's really been been the reason why we've seen this big 303 00:16:43,840 --> 00:16:46,480 of an increase year of year? Like I know we talk like 304 00:16:46,840 --> 00:16:49,840 globally, we talk inflation and stuff like that. 305 00:16:49,840 --> 00:16:52,960 Like, you know, do we think that that's one of the largest 306 00:16:52,960 --> 00:16:56,640 contributing factors? Like a large part of this also 307 00:16:56,640 --> 00:17:00,520 has to do with wage, which, you know, we are all for, you know, 308 00:17:00,520 --> 00:17:03,400 paying the cast members, you know, a very fair and livable 309 00:17:03,400 --> 00:17:05,560 wage. I, I think, you know, members 310 00:17:05,560 --> 00:17:08,319 have never balked at that. So if that becomes a large part 311 00:17:08,319 --> 00:17:11,200 of this increase, think people are all for it because they they 312 00:17:11,200 --> 00:17:14,480 work their butts over there to, to keep these, keep these 313 00:17:14,480 --> 00:17:17,520 properties looking really good. But anything really. 314 00:17:18,240 --> 00:17:21,599 Yeah, it's, it's important to know too, that if people think 315 00:17:21,599 --> 00:17:26,000 that Disney just, you know, jacks up the dues just to make 316 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:30,360 money off of whatnot, always remember that the largest point 317 00:17:30,360 --> 00:17:34,760 holder in Disney Vacation Club is Disney Vacation Club 318 00:17:34,760 --> 00:17:38,440 themselves, right? So they've got a tremendous 319 00:17:38,440 --> 00:17:40,840 amount. I believe it's like 2%, right? 320 00:17:40,840 --> 00:17:43,120 So they own of every single DVC resort. 321 00:17:43,120 --> 00:17:46,200 So they have to pay dues on those points too. 322 00:17:46,200 --> 00:17:48,920 So just keep, keep that in mind when you're like, oh, it's 323 00:17:48,920 --> 00:17:51,680 another Disney cash grab. They jacked up my dues, but 324 00:17:51,960 --> 00:17:53,600 Disney's got to pay those dues too. 325 00:17:53,600 --> 00:17:56,440 So for all the points that they own, Yep. 326 00:17:57,400 --> 00:18:00,400 Yeah, that's a good point. And I'm a little bit surprised 327 00:18:01,040 --> 00:18:04,240 and maybe I shouldn't be, but I'm fairly new at this, you 328 00:18:04,240 --> 00:18:10,280 know, how do I word this? We had a pretty quiet year this 329 00:18:10,280 --> 00:18:13,160 year from a Florida standpoint as far as hurricanes go. 330 00:18:14,080 --> 00:18:18,560 And I kind of thought especially the coastal, you know, Hilton 331 00:18:18,560 --> 00:18:22,240 Head, Vero, but even Disney World, it has that impact kind 332 00:18:22,240 --> 00:18:25,000 of baked into their budget, I feel like, or they should be. 333 00:18:25,760 --> 00:18:29,720 And I kind of thought maybe that would help keep them a little 334 00:18:29,720 --> 00:18:35,000 lower cuz we don't have insurance claims and damage and 335 00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:36,480 some of those things. So I don't know. 336 00:18:36,480 --> 00:18:38,720 That was just something that I was surprised at personally, 337 00:18:38,720 --> 00:18:40,920 but. When it comes to these annual 338 00:18:40,920 --> 00:18:44,120 dues bills, everything will be finalized probably within the 339 00:18:44,120 --> 00:18:46,400 next few weeks. That'll be when you see things 340 00:18:46,400 --> 00:18:48,640 load into your account. So if you're looking for these 341 00:18:48,640 --> 00:18:51,640 annual dues in the annual due section of the Disney Vacation 342 00:18:51,640 --> 00:18:54,600 Club website, those should then come online then. 343 00:18:54,920 --> 00:19:00,920 Then dues are officially due on January 15th of 2020 sixth and 344 00:19:00,920 --> 00:19:04,320 they are considered past due on February 15th. 345 00:19:04,920 --> 00:19:06,680 What happens in that month Gray area? 346 00:19:06,720 --> 00:19:09,400 Your guess is as good as mine. Nothing has ever happened I 347 00:19:09,400 --> 00:19:11,120 think between January and February. 348 00:19:11,120 --> 00:19:14,480 But for some reason that's that's the the deadlines that 349 00:19:14,480 --> 00:19:16,520 they have in place after February 15th. 350 00:19:16,520 --> 00:19:18,760 Yeah, there's going to be some penalties if you've not if 351 00:19:18,760 --> 00:19:20,400 you've not paid your annual dues. 352 00:19:20,400 --> 00:19:22,880 Those include basically, you know, locking you out of your 353 00:19:22,880 --> 00:19:25,920 account, canceling any active reservations that you might 354 00:19:25,920 --> 00:19:27,920 have. So you'd want to avoid that at 355 00:19:27,920 --> 00:19:32,200 all costs and get those dues paid or at least set up for that 356 00:19:32,200 --> 00:19:34,120 monthly auto pay that you can do. 357 00:19:34,440 --> 00:19:36,840 We've got some great articles over on DVC Fan. 358 00:19:36,840 --> 00:19:38,800 We'll be publishing them again here at the beginning of the 359 00:19:38,800 --> 00:19:42,080 year that just review the different options related to 360 00:19:42,080 --> 00:19:44,440 paying your annual dues. But we always like to highlight 361 00:19:44,440 --> 00:19:48,000 here during the holiday season, if you find good deals on Disney 362 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:51,120 gift cards, you want to take advantage of those. 363 00:19:51,400 --> 00:19:56,240 Recently, giftcards.com around Black Friday had a 10% off deal. 364 00:19:56,760 --> 00:20:00,520 They do charge a shipping fee, but Amy and I basically bought 365 00:20:00,840 --> 00:20:04,560 bought them out of as many gift cards as we could to help offset 366 00:20:04,560 --> 00:20:06,560 the cost. Of our annual dues next year and 367 00:20:06,560 --> 00:20:10,160 I mean, I know, I think we bought like, you know a couple 368 00:20:10,160 --> 00:20:13,680 $1000 because we own way too many points, but it's going to, 369 00:20:13,760 --> 00:20:17,520 it's going to 10% off, it's going to save us like $3 or so. 370 00:20:17,520 --> 00:20:20,080 So that's awesome, a considerable savings when it 371 00:20:20,080 --> 00:20:22,760 comes to all these. I do have one quick question, 372 00:20:23,720 --> 00:20:27,400 why are we going for decimal places past when it's coming to 373 00:20:27,400 --> 00:20:31,280 currency? It's like why do gas stations do 374 00:20:31,280 --> 00:20:32,480 it? I never understand it. 375 00:20:32,480 --> 00:20:33,760 That's. True, I never really thought of 376 00:20:33,760 --> 00:20:39,320 that but like they're making the penny but I've never had .0003 377 00:20:39,320 --> 00:20:41,520 pennies in my pocket. Right. 378 00:20:41,560 --> 00:20:44,400 And like, you know, you have to, they round, have to round up 379 00:20:44,400 --> 00:20:46,440 when they charge you. And I just don't. 380 00:20:46,480 --> 00:20:48,680 It's anyone who knows more about money. 381 00:20:49,120 --> 00:20:52,360 Tell us why. Why does Disney and gas stations 382 00:20:52,720 --> 00:20:56,480 insist on the four decimal boys? Can you imagine if everything 383 00:20:56,480 --> 00:20:58,720 was like that? Like a gallon of milk was like. 384 00:20:58,920 --> 00:21:02,800 Yeah. 3.987. 6 Which one of us is getting ripped off? 385 00:21:03,760 --> 00:21:06,400 It's always us. We're we're the consumer always 386 00:21:06,400 --> 00:21:07,760 gets ripped off, I'm pretty sure. 387 00:21:07,840 --> 00:21:11,960 But yeah, moving forward. So again, I've mentioned before 388 00:21:11,960 --> 00:21:14,600 kicking off the show, this is filmed right before the condo 389 00:21:14,600 --> 00:21:17,000 association. So ignore anything that's 390 00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:19,840 outdated. You know, I apologize in advance 391 00:21:20,280 --> 00:21:23,440 if anything significant came up. I might add in a little blurb 392 00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:28,680 here in this section, but overall, any big expectations 393 00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:32,120 coming into the condo association meetings from us 394 00:21:32,120 --> 00:21:36,680 like any like huge like you're expecting this this bombshell? 395 00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:38,800 No, I'm not expecting any bombshells. 396 00:21:39,400 --> 00:21:42,640 I I've It would definitely depend on the resort, you know, 397 00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:47,680 I would hope that Polynesian members get an answer about what 398 00:21:47,680 --> 00:21:49,720 happened with the point charts over there. 399 00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:56,600 I'm interested to see what Grand Californian, you know, members 400 00:21:56,600 --> 00:21:58,800 get because I'm sure someone's going to bring up the 401 00:21:58,800 --> 00:22:01,880 refurbishment and, you know, ask, you know, why. 402 00:22:03,120 --> 00:22:07,480 And then Animal Kingdom. I hope that that we get some 403 00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:12,400 kind of like just maybe a sneak peek of what the, the 404 00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:17,520 renovations going to look like. And then also just a, a timeline 405 00:22:17,520 --> 00:22:21,000 for any other resorts that that need refurbished. 406 00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:23,960 So like Old Key West, you know, hopefully they'll learn when 407 00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:26,120 their soft goods is going to start and all that. 408 00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:29,560 I almost want to take this question before you guys answer 409 00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:32,920 a slightly different direction. If you had the opportunity to 410 00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:38,280 ask like Bill Dierkson or one of the executives of DVC, like one 411 00:22:38,280 --> 00:22:43,200 question, like just open forum to ask them one question kind of 412 00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:45,920 in this setting, what would what would that question be? 413 00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:52,480 I know what Derek's is, but for me, I, I, I would say kind of 414 00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:55,720 Amy already touched on it. I would ask for a little harder 415 00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:58,960 timelines, not only because old Key West is my main home resort. 416 00:22:59,360 --> 00:23:01,360 I would like to know when that soft goods is going to start 417 00:23:01,360 --> 00:23:04,400 happening. But also let's get a timeline 418 00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:06,560 for Lakeshore. Let's start getting some artwork 419 00:23:06,560 --> 00:23:09,520 coming out of that. Let's start getting some, some, 420 00:23:10,360 --> 00:23:13,000 you know, details about what that's going to look like when 421 00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:16,120 it's going to go on sale, because as a a member and I know 422 00:23:16,120 --> 00:23:18,680 why they're not doing it, but as as a member that maybe wants to 423 00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:22,840 add on there, I'm not doing anything points wise until till 424 00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:26,000 that happens. So which is why they're not 425 00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:27,840 doing that. Derek, if they gave you a mic 426 00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:30,320 for 5 minutes at one of these meetings, what would you ask? 427 00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:35,680 I think I'd be curious and if they would ever admit that 428 00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:40,240 putting resale restrictions did not go like they had planned. 429 00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:43,200 And I don't know if they'll ever admit that. 430 00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:46,960 But I think, and I see it every day when I have people reach out 431 00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:51,040 to me to sell their, you know, Riviera contract, let's say, and 432 00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:53,880 they realize that they're 100% underwater. 433 00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:56,240 You know, they bought it for over $200 a point. 434 00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:57,800 You're lucky if you could sell it for 1:30. 435 00:23:57,800 --> 00:24:00,000 And then they say, well, why? You know what? 436 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:02,320 Well, because remember when he bought it, Disney put 437 00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:05,040 restrictions. So the person that buys this 438 00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:07,920 Riviera contract, they can't go anywhere else. 439 00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:09,760 You know, they can't use it to go to Vera. 440 00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:13,840 They can so for someone looking into joining DVC for the very 441 00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:17,200 first time to have this contract to where you're stuck at only 442 00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:20,320 one resort because we all know best part about the club is 443 00:24:20,360 --> 00:24:22,760 staying at all of them. I mean, with the exception of 444 00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:27,160 Bay Lake Tower, but you're able to go stay at all these amazing 445 00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:31,120 resorts. And the fact that that I just 446 00:24:31,120 --> 00:24:33,840 feel like they did such a huge disservice. 447 00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:36,920 And I know what they were trying to do was of course plus up 448 00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:40,280 sales, you know, trying to plus up their direct sales. 449 00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:42,960 But I feel like they could have gone about it a different way, 450 00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:46,960 meaning adding more of those direct benefits, more specialty 451 00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:51,840 perks, all of those things verse basically shooting your buyers 452 00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:54,960 that are giving you 10s of thousands of dollars to purchase 453 00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:58,240 these contracts that when they have to sell for whatever 454 00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:03,680 reason, it sucks for them. I mean, there's just no way 455 00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:08,400 around it versus someone that say maybe bought, you know, with 456 00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:12,280 us and I'm going to buy a Saratoga for, you know, $100 a 457 00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:13,960 point. And if I need to go sell it down 458 00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:15,960 the road, guess what? I'm going to sell it for maybe 459 00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:18,360 $100 a point or maybe a little bit more. 460 00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:23,200 I just would love to know. Again, they would never be 100% 461 00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:25,480 honest with me. They take my microphone and say 462 00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:27,440 you sit down. You're not allowed to love 463 00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:31,000 anyone. But I really like, I just don't 464 00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:36,160 see that, that I, I feel like they envisioned it going one way 465 00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:38,920 and and I feel like it backfired. 466 00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:44,160 I think we're going to see this kind of play out a little bit 467 00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:47,760 more too over the course of the next year to year and a half 468 00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:51,120 because we are at that, at that point where Riviera sells out. 469 00:25:51,120 --> 00:25:55,400 So Riviera direct sales, you know, I would expect that to be 470 00:25:55,400 --> 00:26:00,240 coming here in 2026 at some point if, if sales continue on 471 00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:04,440 the current path that they are. And at that point, that's when 472 00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:08,800 this really becomes the question, because this is when 473 00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:13,920 Riviera mainly becomes a resale game and you're going to see 474 00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:18,120 more of the population of the resort slowly become those 475 00:26:18,120 --> 00:26:22,840 restricted resale owners. I will. 476 00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:26,520 I'll answer your question just from my mindset, Derek, is that 477 00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:29,720 based off of the direction we've seen them go in? 478 00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:33,480 I don't think that they think it's a mistake only because I 479 00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:38,040 believe that that the current direction of DVC is looking at 480 00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:42,760 it as very short sighted, not caring about the long term, you 481 00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:46,640 know, longevity of the product, not caring about the damage that 482 00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:50,440 today's decisions might do to this product down the road. 483 00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:54,240 Because we've been saying it way too often recently, which is 484 00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:58,400 that here are all of these things that differentiate Disney 485 00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:01,840 Vacation Club from other timeshares. 486 00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:04,880 And yes, it will always have the IT factor. 487 00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:08,240 It will always have the fact that it is Disney, you're buying 488 00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:11,360 it, Walt Disney World, It will always be special for those 489 00:27:11,360 --> 00:27:14,320 reasons. But we used to just have this 490 00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:19,360 list of reasons to say what made it not a timeshare when it was a 491 00:27:19,360 --> 00:27:22,360 timeshare. And now every time that 492 00:27:22,360 --> 00:27:25,080 something comes up, we're going to talk about another one here 493 00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:28,240 in just a little bit. But every time one of these 494 00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:32,760 things come up, it's we go to oh, other timeshares have been 495 00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:37,120 doing this for years. And so it I am, at least from my 496 00:27:37,120 --> 00:27:40,600 perspective, it's just like you're you're almost like 497 00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:44,000 kicking yourself down the road where it's just like someone's 498 00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:46,240 going to pay for these decisions down the road. 499 00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:48,520 Do they care about them now? Probably not. 500 00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:50,240 Do they do they think that they're doing wrong now? 501 00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:51,240 Probably not. Go ahead, Jeff. 502 00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:54,160 Well, I wanted to change my answer because I didn't realize 503 00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:56,560 that we were doing pie in the sky questions that they're 504 00:27:56,560 --> 00:27:58,720 actually not going to answer that we would like answers to. 505 00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:02,880 And you're talking longevity and, and down the road. 506 00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:04,600 Nobody cares. I want to know what's going to 507 00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:07,760 happen to old Key West in 2042. You know what's going to happen 508 00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:11,800 to the rest of them, But because Old Key West has the two 509 00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:14,760 expiration dates, that's what I want my answer to be. 510 00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:15,280 That's. What? 511 00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:16,080 That's a good one. I want to. 512 00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:19,440 Know how they're going to deal with that fiasco that they've 513 00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:23,200 done to themselves. Each room you're only going to 514 00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:25,240 be, you can only occupy half of the room. 515 00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:28,200 Now they'll, they're going to put like a, a duct tape line 516 00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:30,920 right down the middle of it. It's like you can't cross this 517 00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:33,640 section because this section's already expired. 518 00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:37,400 So and that they'll they'll put random people in with you in 519 00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:40,360 that other half. Does that mean that the gurgling 520 00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:43,200 suitcase gets even smaller? Is that possible? 521 00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:49,000 Yes, the cut in half. That is that I, I, my biggest 522 00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:51,920 concern about old Key West is that that is that like that 523 00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:57,120 prime real estate where it's like it's it, it's, it spans so 524 00:28:57,120 --> 00:29:00,520 much property on that side of of Disney. 525 00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:04,200 It's very, very close to Epcot. You don't realize how close it's 526 00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:07,720 it is until you've stayed there and you can see Epcot fireworks 527 00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:11,600 from your balcony depending on where your room is. 528 00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:15,560 But if you can't, say, someone's not chomping at the bit to throw 529 00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:20,520 a giant tower up on that property somewhere that I don't 530 00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:23,320 know, I don't know. No, no. 531 00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:26,120 I don't know. What's your question that you 532 00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:27,920 all right? I already asked it, Yeah. 533 00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:29,880 I'm not. I'm not. 534 00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:34,400 I'm not here to cause chaos like Jeff. 535 00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:37,440 We're chaos makers. What are you trying to say here? 536 00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:39,840 I'm just kidding. I don't know. 537 00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:41,640 I'm not even going to the condo association. 538 00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:44,320 You're going all by yourself. Oh, bye. 539 00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:48,200 Bye. Lucky man. 540 00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:53,160 Moving on in our news, the thing that has kept Derek and I up at 541 00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:56,240 night and Amy up, you know, some a little bit. 542 00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:58,600 I slept pretty good that night. You did, yeah. 543 00:29:59,840 --> 00:30:02,760 I woke up going. I wonder why that bother me last 544 00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:04,840 night. Actually, what happened? 545 00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:09,360 Was it the the news dropped late in the evening and we weren't 546 00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:12,200 100% ready to publish it yet. And. 547 00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:17,040 I woke up, was getting out of the shower to Amy rushing into 548 00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:20,520 the bathroom asking why I didn't publish that blog yet, and I was 549 00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:23,360 like, I was just, I was just waiting. 550 00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:26,600 And then I think I published it in a towel, if anyone really. 551 00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:30,040 Wanted to know that is when I woke up. 552 00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:32,960 Content we need. I was like, I slept so good. 553 00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:35,840 I don't know why I didn't pressure you to publish that 554 00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:38,320 blog last the night before. And I was like, I didn't like 555 00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:40,720 for some reason, didn't care. We don't really say what we're 556 00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:45,120 talking about yet, which is the, the $500 new DVC resale admin 557 00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:47,440 fee. For full details again, go to 558 00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:51,480 dvcfan.com DVC resale market. Both have very detailed blogs up 559 00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:54,760 about this. Now, Derek, just take it, run us 560 00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:57,360 through the gambit of what we know at this point and, and what 561 00:30:57,360 --> 00:30:59,520 this means. I think for, you know, potential 562 00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:02,480 buyers, potential sellers here on the resale market. 563 00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:06,240 And then Jeff and I'll be chaos makers and, you know, comment 564 00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:12,600 and Amy, I'll just smile. Yeah, in in a nutshell, Disney 565 00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:16,320 is slowly like Paul said, implementing things that other 566 00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:20,120 time shares always have. So you know, whether whatever it 567 00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:23,720 is that they want to call it like an administration fee or a 568 00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:28,480 secretarial fee or a transfer fee, whatever it is starting on 569 00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:32,160 January 1st. So for new purchases after 570 00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:38,080 January 1st at closing, you will pay a $500 fee to get your 571 00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:41,720 contract basically finalized, you know, and to have DVC then 572 00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:44,960 create your website and to be able to load your points and all 573 00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:46,240 of that. Again, this is something that 574 00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:48,680 other timeshares have always done. 575 00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:51,160 Disney's always had the ability to do it. 576 00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:55,320 Why out of nowhere, you know, they again went from like zero 577 00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:58,360 to 60, you know, and said, hey, let's charge, I don't know, 500 578 00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:00,880 bucks. Not quite sure why. 579 00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:04,440 But again, you're, you know, savings still, you know, if I'm 580 00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:08,640 going to save $20,000 because I purchased a resale contract with 581 00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:11,360 Derek, OK, because of this new admin fee, maybe I've saved 582 00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:13,920 $19,500. It's still a lot. 583 00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:19,440 So I'm hoping, hoping that the reason that they're doing this 584 00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:22,720 is so that they can, you know, maybe hire more people on that 585 00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:25,160 back end with Disney Vacation Club. 586 00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:27,680 So maybe it speeds up the roefer process. 587 00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:30,800 Maybe it speeds up. Everybody knows the hardest part 588 00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:33,640 when you buy is after your contracts closed and it takes 589 00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:37,560 Disney, you know, 3-4 weeks to, you know, create your account 590 00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:39,520 and you're checking your website every day. 591 00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:41,320 Can I log in? Are my points there? 592 00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:45,040 So I'm hoping that they're going to take this $500 and put it 593 00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:48,080 towards what it hopefully should be, which is to make things 594 00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:52,600 smoother, to make things faster. That's what we want is I'm 595 00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:56,120 hoping that it just makes the whole entire process faster. 596 00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:58,480 So again, up until then, if you're on the fence about that 597 00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:03,240 contract, do it before January 1st because after January 1st is 598 00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:05,920 when the $500 fee will come into play. 599 00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:10,600 And we have seen things speed up a little bit I think in the past 600 00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:13,680 month in terms of the turn around time and the close time 601 00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:16,320 on a lot of these resale purchases. 602 00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:20,720 So Derek, to your point, I hope that they, you know, hired 603 00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:25,000 additional staffing, but a lot of people, yeah, I've, I've 604 00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:28,280 crunched the numbers on this and when you kind of look at the 605 00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:32,640 number of resale contracts that close every single year times it 606 00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:37,280 by 500, we're in the multi millions of dollars. 607 00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:41,120 So either I'm in the wrong profession and I need to just do 608 00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:46,480 contact contract Closings over at DVC, but I can't imagine that 609 00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:49,520 they've hired that many representatives. 610 00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:54,480 So I, you know, is the, I think a part of this is also them just 611 00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:57,080 trying to get some skin in the game of the resale market. 612 00:33:57,120 --> 00:33:59,760 They hired 3 people and they're making a million each. 613 00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:03,040 I I'm. Applying tomorrow. 614 00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:05,280 Yeah. I'm just kidding, I. 615 00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:08,239 Never, never saw that job posting, I can promise you. 616 00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:13,120 But yeah, I, I mean, a lot of people are wondering what is 617 00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:14,639 this going to do to the resale market? 618 00:34:14,639 --> 00:34:16,800 What is this going to do with pricing and everything like 619 00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:18,239 that? I think it's very early to kind 620 00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:21,480 of predict some of those things. We did, Amy and I did a live 621 00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:26,400 stream last week which discussed a little bit kind of about how 622 00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:29,760 small contracts. Yes, this does now change the 623 00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:33,440 numbers a little bit. You know, a 50 point contract 624 00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:36,760 with an additional $500 fee that's an extra $10 per point 625 00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:39,679 that you're, you're considering as part of that value of that 626 00:34:39,679 --> 00:34:41,800 contract. It's, it's going to be 627 00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:44,560 interesting to see kind of how the market as a whole reacts. 628 00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:47,639 And we'll probably see that kind of settle in more as you know, 629 00:34:47,639 --> 00:34:51,280 2026 emerges and this becomes, you know, a full part of the pro 630 00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:54,880 process. But Jeff, any thoughts on, on 631 00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:57,200 this new fee? Does it does it make you think 632 00:34:57,400 --> 00:34:59,200 any differently about buying or selling or? 633 00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:03,120 Not really. I mean, it's like like you guys 634 00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:05,520 have already said, and you guys did a great job on the live 635 00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:08,080 show. I watched it from the taxi in 636 00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:11,280 Saint Thomas and. We should have gone live. 637 00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:13,760 On his way to a Bushwell. Honestly thought about calling 638 00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:16,520 in but I couldn't think of anything to say so I just. 639 00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:17,840 He knows. He knows the links. 640 00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:18,320 Always. Open. 641 00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:20,400 All you had to do was show us some scenery. 642 00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:22,160 That's all you had to do. We live in Happy. 643 00:35:22,720 --> 00:35:26,800 Next time listen, it's not just timeshares that do this. 644 00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:29,840 Like you guys said, every HOA when you buy and sell a home has 645 00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:32,120 some kind of transfer fee baked into the contract. 646 00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:36,120 It's always way too much money. I mean I understand why they do 647 00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:37,640 it because it's an easy fee to charge. 648 00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:41,760 Again, transparency what's it paying for would be nice. 649 00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:45,200 I just wish if it really is making things faster. 650 00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:48,000 It's too bad they couldn't have made this optional, you know, 651 00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:51,800 and said, listen, we're doing our regular 90 day thing, but if 652 00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:54,040 you want to pay 500 bucks, you can have your points day of 653 00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:55,480 closing just like they do when they. 654 00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:56,760 Sell. Oh my goodness, right? 655 00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:59,240 And people would do. It and people would do it. 656 00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:02,480 I would do it yeah and that's my and you guys have heard me say 657 00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:04,320 this before. That is my biggest hang up with 658 00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:07,760 resale is it just takes a long time it's still worth it because 659 00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:11,160 it's way cheaper. But if I could have a $500 fee 660 00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:12,840 and have my points tomorrow done deal. 661 00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:16,280 Yeah, yeah. So let's back up a step to 662 00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:20,240 Derek's question that when he had his microphone before, they 663 00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:23,200 plucked it from his hands earlier when he when he asked a 664 00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:26,200 question about the resale restrictions. 665 00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:31,080 Because something that some in the community have alluded to is 666 00:36:31,240 --> 00:36:35,120 if we start to look at what other timeshare developers do, 667 00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:40,760 one thing that they do offer is the ability to basically as part 668 00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:48,040 of this fee upgrade your restricted points or your resale 669 00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:53,840 points and obtain those benefits that a direct member would have. 670 00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:57,680 So essentially for a fee, don't know what that dollar amount 671 00:36:57,680 --> 00:37:00,120 would be in this case. I imagine it would be a lot 672 00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:05,160 larger, but also maybe not on the level of a direct contract. 673 00:37:05,720 --> 00:37:11,440 But do we think that maybe this is testing the waters for that 674 00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:14,040 in the future? Because again, they're I, I, I 675 00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:17,640 think the, the name of the game for DVC ever since we emerged 676 00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:20,160 from the pandemic is make money where we can make money. 677 00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:25,160 And so again, what other time shares have done historically? 678 00:37:25,720 --> 00:37:28,000 Next logical step maybe for where this goes. 679 00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:32,600 I. Don't thinking about nothing. 680 00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:37,160 I was looking at what was coming up and, and in my head I was 681 00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:40,920 like, oh, rotating characters at Epcot Lounge, Ski Mickey and 682 00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:44,400 Minnie. I was like, I now have less ski 683 00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:47,440 experience than Mickey and Minnie and that's why I'm 684 00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:51,080 staying in my head when you just ask me what? 685 00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:54,560 If this is, if this is what someone that's on the show right 686 00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:58,760 now is thinking, I can only imagine that we had -17 viewers 687 00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:01,400 right now listening to the remainder of our show. 688 00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:04,920 So I apologize if we're boring you as much as we're boring Amy 689 00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:06,320 right now. Jeff, you were going to say 690 00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:09,680 something or maybe not. Or just I'll talk about skiing 691 00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:12,760 Mickey and Minnie. No, Derek was talking, I think. 692 00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:13,240 I don't know. I. 693 00:38:13,240 --> 00:38:16,880 Don't know. Oh no, yes, I was going to jump 694 00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:19,400 in with what you said Paul. I don't see them, you know, 695 00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:21,040 offering. Oh, you bought a resale 696 00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:22,520 contract. Do you want to be a quote UN 697 00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:26,320 quote card carrying member? Yeah, here's you can pay $1000 698 00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:29,000 and then we're going to what like unrestrict your points or 699 00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:32,160 we're going to do this. They make way more off because 700 00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:35,360 again, so many people go well, how many points do I need to buy 701 00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:39,240 direct to get those quote UN quote perks 150 done. 702 00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:43,360 Everybody says that all I'm going to buy a big bulk of mine 703 00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:45,920 on the resale market and then I got to buy 150. 704 00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:50,400 So I think Disney knowing that they got somebody in for 30 705 00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:54,160 grand verse, maybe charging someone, you know, 500 bucks or 706 00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:58,440 $1000 so they can get a little, you know, temporary discount on 707 00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:01,120 a on a pretzel. Yeah, that's I don't see them 708 00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:03,160 doing that. So I think they know where their 709 00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:06,880 bread and butter is always those members that aren't card 710 00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:08,280 carrying, quote UN quote members. 711 00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:10,960 And they know that golden ticket is 150. 712 00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:14,400 And eventually, I'm sure my prediction, I think I said it a 713 00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:18,760 couple weeks ago, I think in 2026, I think that we'll hear it 714 00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:22,160 going up to like 175 or 200. I do. 715 00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:26,600 That's. I like, I like Dee weigh in. 716 00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:28,720 Oh. Not on many. 717 00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:31,360 I agree with what Derek said, OK? 718 00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:37,160 Jeff well, and you know, we we talk about the oh, I hate even 719 00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:43,960 quoting Derek, the quote UN quote perks that direct members 720 00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:47,440 get if they offered a way for for resale members to upgrade. 721 00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:50,520 Listen, I know we're in a constant battle and there's this 722 00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:52,960 weird line in the sand between direct and resale, but Can you 723 00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:57,240 imagine what Moonlight Magic and the lounges would look like if 724 00:39:57,320 --> 00:40:01,800 they open that up to people that wanted to upgrade like? 725 00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:03,480 It's. True. 726 00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:06,360 It's kind of a necessary evil in some ways. 727 00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:09,280 Like you can't have your cake and eat it too for everybody. 728 00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:13,120 So if you want those, you gotta, you gotta spend the money and 729 00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:15,000 you got to want it because it's a lot more money. 730 00:40:15,240 --> 00:40:18,080 So we've got some friends that have been trying to buy for 731 00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:21,840 about 6 months now and they just, they only care about the 732 00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:24,040 lounges. And I'm just like, man, a 733 00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:27,000 $20,000 lounge is that's just a really nice. 734 00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:31,040 Lounge I Club 33 instead, yeah. I mean, yeah, exactly. 735 00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:34,200 At least you get something out of it then. 736 00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:37,520 More than just a lounge, so. Yeah. 737 00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:41,160 I don't know, Yeah, yeah. I'm just curious as to their 738 00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:44,400 overall mindset with, you know, the whole tiered system these 739 00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:47,160 days because now, you know, it used to be we had resale and 740 00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:50,400 direct and now we have resale direct member Magic beyond. 741 00:40:50,720 --> 00:40:56,360 And so it's, you know, next we have, you know, restricted 742 00:40:56,360 --> 00:41:01,040 resale, resale direct member magic beyond So like this just 743 00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:05,920 seems to just continue to evolve and it's really only taken on 744 00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:08,480 most of this evolution in the past few years. 745 00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:11,920 So I just wonder if it's just. Like you were saying earlier 746 00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:15,400 about being like other timeshares, RCI has the same 747 00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:17,280 thing. They have platinum, they have 748 00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:20,960 gold, they have silver and you get to bank your points for 749 00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:23,560 three years at one level and only one year at another level. 750 00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:26,360 Like it just, it comes, it gets to the point that it's too 751 00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:30,240 confusing, which is maybe what they're going for because RCI 752 00:41:30,240 --> 00:41:32,200 loves it when I don't use my points and I haven't used my 753 00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:35,840 points in 10 years. And so maybe that's that's their 754 00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:38,240 goal is just to make it throw so much information. 755 00:41:38,240 --> 00:41:40,840 They're just like, I don't care, I just want to stay at my home. 756 00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:44,240 But it's always been the largest goal is, is to not educate 757 00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:47,120 people on what what they've actually spent all this money 758 00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:49,080 on. Because you know, we receive 759 00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:54,000 emails and we receive comments on a on a daily or weekly basis 760 00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:56,680 of people saying I've learned the most about this product that 761 00:41:56,680 --> 00:42:00,360 I bought thanks to DVC fan, thanks to this show, thanks to 762 00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:03,840 your parent companies. You know, that is where people 763 00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:06,720 go to actually learn about this product because there's very 764 00:42:06,720 --> 00:42:08,640 little formal education being provided. 765 00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:11,760 Yes, if you're a new member, they invite you to like an intro 766 00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:14,920 webinar, but like you're talking, you can't absorb 767 00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:17,760 everything you need to know about this purchase in the 768 00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:21,240 course of a 30 minute pre recorded webinar, whatever that 769 00:42:21,240 --> 00:42:23,760 might be. And you know, here's a community 770 00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:26,280 that's answering live questions for you, like if you need 771 00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:29,280 walkthrough, you know, the the you know, the website, you know, 772 00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:31,960 we've we've done that before and you know, we've we're we're 773 00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:34,520 even, we've talked about, you know, even expanding our 774 00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:38,040 education even more like in what we do here, But I don't think 775 00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:40,760 that aligns with what they want. You know, if, if, if points 776 00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:44,320 expire and and they go away, it's cha ching, you know, it's 777 00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:46,520 it's a win for them to a certain degree. 778 00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:51,120 So moving on to a topic that I hope you listeners are really 779 00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:54,280 excited about, more so than our previous topics because they 780 00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:56,720 know this one right here is really exciting to talk about. 781 00:42:56,720 --> 00:43:00,120 It is that there are new characters at the Epcot Member 782 00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:02,360 Lounge. So if you've paid that $20,000 783 00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:06,000 premium and upgraded and then also done the Member Magic 784 00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:10,800 Beyond $99 a year fee, you can go after hours and experience 785 00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:13,880 some new rare characters. And if you go back to when we 786 00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:16,480 talked about this product multiple times in the past, I 787 00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:20,240 have said on prior shows that when this rolled out, when the 788 00:43:20,240 --> 00:43:24,000 Member Magic Beyond benefit rolled out, it was you could go 789 00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:29,600 to the Epcot Lounge after hours once a year and experience the 790 00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:33,840 special characters, which was the characters from Zootopia. 791 00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:35,880 And there was no further information. 792 00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:39,520 And I said, why would you limit this option? 793 00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:42,800 Why would you limit the opportunity for you've got, you 794 00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:46,000 know, AS as working up in the lounge that are kind of telling 795 00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:49,160 people about, hey, this is the newest deal that we've got going 796 00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:50,400 on. These are the incentives that 797 00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:53,600 are rolling out right now. Why would you limit that 798 00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:55,800 opportunity? Just rotate the characters, you 799 00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:58,480 know, monthly, quarterly, whatever it might be, just 800 00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:00,920 something new and exciting. And here we are at the end of 801 00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:04,640 2025 and they've rotated 2 sets of characters in and out of that 802 00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:07,040 lounge in the course of a matter of months. 803 00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:10,040 So we had some special characters, special Mickey and 804 00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:13,680 Minnie that were there, I think throughout the fall season. 805 00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:19,200 And then now we have Mickey and Minnie skiing, which is more 806 00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:23,320 than Amys ever done on skis so never never got. 807 00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:25,600 Dressed up. They're meeting for the holiday 808 00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:29,760 season, which makes me think that hopefully next spring, Ski 809 00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:31,400 Mickey and Minnie are still not there. 810 00:44:32,240 --> 00:44:33,760 You know? If they are, something went 811 00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:37,040 wrong, but you know, maybe, maybe they're in their 812 00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:41,720 springtime suits or something. So this is so I'm a member and 813 00:44:41,720 --> 00:44:43,760 I've been a member for obviously a long time. 814 00:44:44,120 --> 00:44:48,240 I'm going to Epcot tomorrow with Annie, which will be December 815 00:44:48,240 --> 00:44:50,960 the 9th. I'm not able to see these 816 00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:54,800 characters correct because it's not an extra magic and I didn't 817 00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:57,400 pay the 100 on top of it, correct? 818 00:44:57,840 --> 00:44:59,960 Yep, correct. You will be kicked out of the 819 00:44:59,960 --> 00:45:03,320 lounge at 6 I believe it is. Before the characters come out. 820 00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:06,960 Before the characters come out and then from 6:00 to 9:00, if 821 00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:12,040 you've paid the extra $100 in in addition, you will now get to 822 00:45:12,040 --> 00:45:15,360 meet Ski Mickey and Minnie. They do have a cool festive 823 00:45:15,360 --> 00:45:20,040 backdrop that they did change up again for the for the I I, I, I, 824 00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:22,360 I call this a win. You know I'm I'm putting. 825 00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:26,960 I like that it's open late, you know what I mean, even if I mean 826 00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:30,280 you have to pay the extra if you're buying the membership 827 00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:33,840 magic beyond, you're probably not buying it for this purpose. 828 00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:36,800 Maybe you are, but most people are buying it for like the 829 00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:40,440 extra, you know, one time use points and the memory maker 830 00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:43,760 benefit or you know, the discounts on on things. 831 00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:45,960 But. We're going to this next. 832 00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:53,280 Week I OK, I I do I do like you know, because I hated that it 833 00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:55,520 closed so early. So I do like that if you have 834 00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:59,800 that perk that you can use, utilize the lounge longer even 835 00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:01,640 if you care about the characters or not. 836 00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:04,360 Yeah. Yeah, I, I agree. 837 00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:05,840 I think it's a win. I think it's cool. 838 00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:10,120 It's not something that, you know, the Derek's into. 839 00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:13,720 I, I, we heard him talk about Partysaurus Rex at Jollywood. 840 00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:17,000 He he he's not a character guy. He had some fierce opinions on 841 00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:21,240 that, yeah. Question when and I should know 842 00:46:21,240 --> 00:46:25,000 this, but OK, you guys are members member magic beyond 843 00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:27,760 members remember magic that's a lot in. 844 00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:32,800 MBB. Do you can you bring guests with 845 00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:34,560 you or is it just the two of you? 846 00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:36,800 Yep. Yeah, so technically Paul's not 847 00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:40,840 a member, which it's it's weird. I wish that when you purchase 848 00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:43,840 it, you purchase it for your membership, but instead you 849 00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:49,040 purchase it for a member. So technically I am the only 850 00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:51,880 member. So if he was in the, if he was 851 00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:53,840 in the park without me, he can't go. 852 00:46:54,280 --> 00:46:56,120 He is not a member of Magic Beyond. 853 00:46:56,120 --> 00:46:58,440 Yeah. How many can you take with you? 854 00:46:59,520 --> 00:47:01,840 I think is it. Normally the same way that's 855 00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:04,320 like normally. Or yeah like 5 total with you. 856 00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:07,360 Yeah, or if you have a existing park reservation, I imagine they 857 00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:08,800 would. It's like how many are in your 858 00:47:09,080 --> 00:47:12,720 on your reservation. Like similar to the normal like 859 00:47:12,720 --> 00:47:15,600 new light rules and everything. Yeah, So Yep. 860 00:47:16,720 --> 00:47:19,280 But yeah, when we did the I think we did this when we were 861 00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:22,400 all at Disneyland together. Amy actually used there was no 862 00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:24,920 one in line. There was no one in line at 863 00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:29,440 Starview Station, but she did show her card because she had 864 00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:32,400 the benefit, which would have allowed us to jump anyone that 865 00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:36,280 was and skip the line. But I think we did, when we 866 00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:38,480 actually did use it there, I think there was a hard cap of 867 00:47:38,680 --> 00:47:43,440 like a 5 total in the party. Yeah, and we had 6 and it didn't 868 00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:45,440 matter it. Really didn't matter, but you 869 00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:48,000 know, ultimately at the end of the day, but a win for 870 00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:50,320 membership Magic Beyond. Does it save that product? 871 00:47:50,320 --> 00:47:53,000 I'm not quite sure about that one, but yeah. 872 00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:55,240 Last but not least on our news list from things that have 873 00:47:55,240 --> 00:47:59,280 recently happened, just some fun stuff coming up for 2026 that I 874 00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:02,760 wanted to quickly run down. Disney put out basically some 875 00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:05,240 time frames and some more information about everything 876 00:48:05,240 --> 00:48:09,840 that's going to be happening here coming up in 2026. 877 00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:12,480 And I think there are a lot of cool things to get excited about 878 00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:19,520 in February, you know, on on the Frozen ride at Epcot, Anna, Elsa 879 00:48:19,520 --> 00:48:21,640 and Christophe will have real faces finally. 880 00:48:21,640 --> 00:48:25,000 So they're going to look like humans rather than looking like 881 00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:27,880 just weird screen characters and everything. 882 00:48:28,680 --> 00:48:31,840 We've got Festival the Arts is coming back, arguably my 883 00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:36,720 favorite festival of the year. January 16th through February 884 00:48:36,720 --> 00:48:41,240 23rd. We in the spring have Buzz 885 00:48:41,240 --> 00:48:44,840 Lightyear Space Ranger Spin. We'll be reopening with new ride 886 00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:48,680 vehicles, improved blasters and enhanced interactive targets. 887 00:48:48,680 --> 00:48:50,840 And they're going to clean all the stickiness off it, too. 888 00:48:51,120 --> 00:48:54,040 I think that was actually not in in the description that they 889 00:48:54,040 --> 00:48:54,880 wrote up. So I think. 890 00:48:54,880 --> 00:48:56,880 They kept the stickiness. I am speculating. 891 00:48:57,400 --> 00:48:59,720 Big Thunder in return for the. Lion too. 892 00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:02,000 Big Thunders returning in the spring. 893 00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:05,640 Yeah, super excited about that. We've got Flower and Garden 894 00:49:05,640 --> 00:49:08,400 returning March 4th through June 1st this year. 895 00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:11,080 A lot of good food. That's my favorite. 896 00:49:11,080 --> 00:49:14,080 Derek loves a good, good brew at these festivals. 897 00:49:14,080 --> 00:49:17,080 So Derek's Derek's gearing up for festival the holidays right 898 00:49:17,080 --> 00:49:18,920 now. He's going tomorrow, right? 899 00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:22,520 I'm going tomorrow. I already went through my my 900 00:49:22,520 --> 00:49:24,720 list. I went on the the Disney food 901 00:49:24,720 --> 00:49:28,520 blog and I saw all the menus and then I looked up each of the 902 00:49:28,520 --> 00:49:32,440 beers that they had and I wanted to see what the alcohol level 903 00:49:32,440 --> 00:49:33,320 was for. Eating. 904 00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:35,640 That's what he cares about. Yeah, why? 905 00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:39,000 Why am I going to buy like a 3% grapefruit beer when, oh, look 906 00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:40,400 at this one. It's got 10%. 907 00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:42,720 So yeah, I'm all set. I'm all set. 908 00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:46,280 Paul, don't forget, don't forget about things to look forward to. 909 00:49:46,360 --> 00:49:49,640 I don't know if we can touch on it, but how about our key 910 00:49:49,640 --> 00:49:51,720 holder? We do. 911 00:49:51,800 --> 00:49:53,600 Yeah. We've got our key holder cruise 912 00:49:53,600 --> 00:49:56,640 coming up. Look, I always have this handy 913 00:49:56,640 --> 00:50:00,360 dandy graphic just ready. To He whipped that up July. 20th 914 00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:04,840 through the 24th, 2026. If you've been procrastinating, 915 00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:08,160 want to join us for this thing? We will be talking a lot about 916 00:50:08,160 --> 00:50:10,320 it on a future episode coming up in a week. 917 00:50:10,560 --> 00:50:13,880 So just talking about a lot of people have questions about 918 00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:16,960 Royal Caribbean in general. A lot of you are cruisers of 919 00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:20,320 Disney Cruise Line or not familiar with Royal Caribbean 920 00:50:20,320 --> 00:50:23,920 and what they have to offer. So we're doing a show coming up 921 00:50:23,960 --> 00:50:26,360 next week, I believe it is, which is going to talk all about 922 00:50:26,360 --> 00:50:29,320 Royal Caribbean and what you can have to look forward to if 923 00:50:29,320 --> 00:50:31,920 you're sailing for Royal for the first time or you're joining us 924 00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:34,200 for the Key Holder Vacations Group cruise. 925 00:50:34,200 --> 00:50:37,320 But we'll be on Utopia the Seas. Derek's going to be there, 926 00:50:37,320 --> 00:50:39,440 Jeff's going to be there, Amy's going to be there, I'm going to 927 00:50:39,440 --> 00:50:40,520 be there. We're going to have a lot of 928 00:50:40,520 --> 00:50:43,200 other friends with us and we're going to be doing a lot of fun 929 00:50:43,200 --> 00:50:44,440 stuff. So head to 930 00:50:44,440 --> 00:50:48,680 keyholdervacations.com and look for the tab that says Group 931 00:50:48,680 --> 00:50:49,920 Cruise. If you are interested, 932 00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:54,120 interested in, you know, looking at what pricing might be so that 933 00:50:54,120 --> 00:50:57,680 you can join us for that fun adventure. 934 00:50:57,960 --> 00:51:00,040 But that'll be coming up in the spring. 935 00:51:01,120 --> 00:51:03,640 We've also got, let's see, summertime. 936 00:51:03,640 --> 00:51:06,120 We've got cool kids summer coming back. 937 00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:10,920 Mandy and Josh and their girls were here this past summer and 938 00:51:10,920 --> 00:51:15,640 they said if anything has has been super exciting that has 939 00:51:15,640 --> 00:51:18,480 happened at Walt Disney World in a long time. 940 00:51:18,760 --> 00:51:22,640 It is what they did for cool kids summer and have like random 941 00:51:22,640 --> 00:51:25,360 characters, like just walking around the parks, almost like 942 00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:27,040 you would experience at Disneyland. 943 00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:30,600 They sent they sent over so many fit pictures that they had just 944 00:51:30,600 --> 00:51:34,680 from like early morning interactions with characters and 945 00:51:35,040 --> 00:51:39,520 you know, just some fun, some good family fun during during 946 00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:41,160 cool kids summer. So that's coming back. 947 00:51:41,440 --> 00:51:47,440 We've got H2O glow coming back. I have not received notice yet 948 00:51:47,440 --> 00:51:52,680 if I have won not one, but you know, if I was selected as part 949 00:51:52,680 --> 00:51:56,000 of the lottery for this. But if anyone follows the 950 00:51:56,000 --> 00:52:01,400 Savannah bananas they are I I can only equate them as like the 951 00:52:01,400 --> 00:52:05,800 Harlem Globetrotters of baseball and they are coming to ESPN wild 952 00:52:05,800 --> 00:52:10,480 world wide World of sports May 29th and 30th tickets are 953 00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:12,000 incredibly hard to get. Oh, really? 954 00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:13,040 Because. You had to get to a. 955 00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:17,000 Lottery actually you had to you had to submit and into the 956 00:52:17,000 --> 00:52:20,280 lottery and then they've not yet since this is happening a little 957 00:52:20,280 --> 00:52:23,560 bit later in 2026, they've not select the winners yet for the 958 00:52:23,560 --> 00:52:25,920 lottery for those people, but it's also. 959 00:52:26,200 --> 00:52:29,080 Buy. The winners to buy, but the the 960 00:52:29,080 --> 00:52:31,840 thing that the Savannah Bananas really pride themselves on is 961 00:52:31,840 --> 00:52:35,840 having obtainable ticket prices. So all of their ticket prices 962 00:52:35,840 --> 00:52:38,280 are extremely reasonable. Yes, you can buy them on the 963 00:52:38,280 --> 00:52:43,000 secondary market for ridiculous, ridiculous prices, but they do 964 00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:45,120 not mark up their ticket tickets in that manner. 965 00:52:45,840 --> 00:52:51,160 Bluey and Bingo are coming to Disney's Conservation Station at 966 00:52:51,160 --> 00:52:54,120 Animal Kingdom. So Bluey is coming for the first 967 00:52:54,120 --> 00:52:56,200 time. To Walt Disney World, that is. 968 00:52:56,520 --> 00:52:57,640 Awesome. There are going to be so many 969 00:52:57,640 --> 00:52:59,000 people trying to get on that train. 970 00:52:59,560 --> 00:53:01,920 Get over there. My grandkids are already 971 00:53:01,920 --> 00:53:04,120 excited. Conservation Station doesn't 972 00:53:04,120 --> 00:53:06,800 know what's about to hit them. Like not a clue. 973 00:53:07,760 --> 00:53:10,640 So what is it going to be? So do you still take the train? 974 00:53:10,680 --> 00:53:14,040 But then you're gonna go meet Bluey and then you can go to 975 00:53:14,040 --> 00:53:16,000 like the goat hospital there too? 976 00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:17,920 Like will they still like? Yeah. 977 00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:19,800 That's where you know what I mean? 978 00:53:19,840 --> 00:53:23,360 Like so like, but like, that Land's not changing. 979 00:53:23,360 --> 00:53:25,040 It's just you can meet. Bluey. 980 00:53:25,080 --> 00:53:26,960 Just a meet and greet for Bluey and bingo. 981 00:53:27,040 --> 00:53:29,640 Yep. I I imagine if I'm guessing 982 00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:32,760 because the the new animation, have we talked about that one 983 00:53:32,760 --> 00:53:34,960 yet? The new animation pavilion is 984 00:53:34,960 --> 00:53:37,040 going to open at Hollywood Studios. 985 00:53:37,400 --> 00:53:40,040 Yep, right now that's the only place you can go to draw Disney 986 00:53:40,040 --> 00:53:41,400 characters. I imagine they're going to take 987 00:53:41,400 --> 00:53:42,720 over that space. Maybe. 988 00:53:43,160 --> 00:53:44,680 Probably in somewhere in. That area. 989 00:53:44,960 --> 00:53:48,440 It says it's going to bring music, games and animal themed 990 00:53:48,480 --> 00:53:52,400 fun so I I don't know what all that involves but. 991 00:53:53,560 --> 00:53:57,320 I'm excited, Louie's awesome and I don't know, kids are so 992 00:53:57,360 --> 00:54:00,400 excited. Yeah, and, and, and apparently 993 00:54:00,640 --> 00:54:04,960 adults love it also because both of our moms now are watching 994 00:54:04,960 --> 00:54:06,400 Bluey. Now. 995 00:54:06,520 --> 00:54:10,320 Amy's mom has an Australian Cattle Dog, which is what Bluey 996 00:54:10,320 --> 00:54:14,720 is so. I'm a little tainted on my view 997 00:54:14,720 --> 00:54:17,800 of Bluey's. He's crazy. 998 00:54:18,120 --> 00:54:22,800 Yeah, the dog is crazy. But she she loves him. 999 00:54:23,120 --> 00:54:27,840 He's he loves her. But yeah, a lot of we talked 1000 00:54:27,840 --> 00:54:32,040 about it on our cold opening on our ladies show. 1001 00:54:32,360 --> 00:54:35,120 I think it was the kids, the kids DVC with kids. 1002 00:54:35,120 --> 00:54:37,040 So apparently a lot of people watch it. 1003 00:54:38,040 --> 00:54:40,440 Have you ever seen it? Yes, my mom. 1004 00:54:40,440 --> 00:54:43,360 I've caught my mom watching it at our house several times and 1005 00:54:43,360 --> 00:54:45,640 I've tried to sit and watch it, but I. 1006 00:54:46,360 --> 00:54:48,560 Go watch it. Each episode's only like 8 1007 00:54:48,560 --> 00:54:49,760 minutes long. Go watch it. 1008 00:54:50,120 --> 00:54:52,240 Go watch a couple episodes. Really. 1009 00:54:52,400 --> 00:54:54,920 I've never seen it. I've never seen it. 1010 00:54:54,920 --> 00:54:56,560 I don't think he's going to go watch it either. 1011 00:54:57,160 --> 00:54:58,800 Pretty pretty confident in that one. 1012 00:54:59,560 --> 00:55:02,480 I'm going to go watch Booey while I eat my orange cinnamon 1013 00:55:02,480 --> 00:55:04,080 rolls. That's what I'm going to do. 1014 00:55:04,080 --> 00:55:06,840 Rock and roller coasters reopening with its Muppets 1015 00:55:06,840 --> 00:55:09,760 transformation next year. We've got that to look forward 1016 00:55:09,760 --> 00:55:12,880 to in the fall. Normal stuff coming back, you 1017 00:55:12,880 --> 00:55:17,080 know, very merry, very Merry Christmas party, Jollywood 1018 00:55:17,080 --> 00:55:21,320 nights festival, the holidays food and wine festival not so 1019 00:55:21,320 --> 00:55:23,880 scary. All of those kind of fun things. 1020 00:55:24,360 --> 00:55:27,560 One that is like kind of buried in the article that we wrote 1021 00:55:27,560 --> 00:55:32,800 over on BBC rental stores blog is level 99 is expected to open 1022 00:55:32,800 --> 00:55:36,320 at Disney Springs, which is a brand new entertainment game 1023 00:55:36,320 --> 00:55:41,480 venue, all kinds of stuff. And you can guarantee that we 1024 00:55:41,480 --> 00:55:45,360 will not do a video review there without Derek in tow, because I 1025 00:55:45,360 --> 00:55:47,840 think that will be just an absolute hoot. 1026 00:55:47,840 --> 00:55:50,320 Where is that? Is that going to be at the old 1027 00:55:50,960 --> 00:55:53,280 NBA experience? Nexus City works OK, yeah. 1028 00:55:53,520 --> 00:55:57,800 So yeah, lot of lot of exciting things that were announced for 1029 00:55:57,800 --> 00:56:02,120 for the horizon here, but I think that about does it for the 1030 00:56:02,120 --> 00:56:04,960 recent news. This happened before tomorrow, 1031 00:56:04,960 --> 00:56:07,520 which is our, you know, condo association meeting. 1032 00:56:07,520 --> 00:56:11,200 So if there was more groundbreaking stuff, I'm sure 1033 00:56:11,200 --> 00:56:14,040 we did a live stream or something like we did last year 1034 00:56:14,040 --> 00:56:16,960 when they gave us a preview. So really still hoping for that 1035 00:56:16,960 --> 00:56:20,920 hard hat preview of Lakeshore Lodge tomorrow, but I know that 1036 00:56:20,920 --> 00:56:23,520 there's not enough liability waivers in the world for us to 1037 00:56:23,600 --> 00:56:27,440 be invited on that. So yeah, until there's more 1038 00:56:27,440 --> 00:56:31,320 breaking news that's going to do it for this episode of the DVC 1039 00:56:31,320 --> 00:56:32,880 show. We hope you enjoyed it and we 1040 00:56:32,880 --> 00:56:34,640 will see you next Monday. I'm. 1041 00:56:35,480 --> 00:56:38,040 Going to go watch Blue. Like how Jeff just mean mugging 1042 00:56:38,040 --> 00:56:38,840 the camera now.