1 00:00:00,400 --> 00:00:04,000 I feel like Amy's tired of us doing silly cold opens, so she 2 00:00:04,000 --> 00:00:06,600 wanted to do something heartfelt and so I'm going to let her tell 3 00:00:06,600 --> 00:00:09,760 a little bit of a story while I hold all of my Wally stuff here 4 00:00:09,760 --> 00:00:14,040 for a second. All right, so we, we 5 00:00:14,040 --> 00:00:17,840 experienced, I think this is our first real Pixie dust moment, 6 00:00:18,280 --> 00:00:19,840 honestly, if we're talking about it. 7 00:00:20,400 --> 00:00:25,440 So we were at Disneyland, Disney California Adventure Park, and 8 00:00:26,120 --> 00:00:28,520 you guys, Paulie, know there's not a whole lot of wall-e in the 9 00:00:28,520 --> 00:00:36,520 parks, but in DCA on Pixar Pier, they have a wall-e game and Paul 10 00:00:36,520 --> 00:00:40,160 always has to go over to that wall-e game, although I feel 11 00:00:40,160 --> 00:00:43,600 like it's never open. But this time we were just over 12 00:00:43,600 --> 00:00:46,440 there late earlier this month and it was open. 13 00:00:46,800 --> 00:00:53,400 And so Paul, Paul had his eye on the boot because the other two 14 00:00:53,400 --> 00:00:57,840 are actually big prizes, and it's $5 to play and you could 15 00:00:57,840 --> 00:01:00,240 lose. So the boot is a small prize. 16 00:01:00,240 --> 00:01:02,080 So that was our best hope. He wanted the boot. 17 00:01:02,560 --> 00:01:05,360 And we were staring at it, trying to decide if it was worth 18 00:01:05,480 --> 00:01:08,440 to try $5. And good old Jeff Haslam comes 19 00:01:08,440 --> 00:01:10,160 over and he's like, well, let's all play. 20 00:01:10,160 --> 00:01:11,880 I'll pay for it. It's not my Google, yeah. 21 00:01:11,920 --> 00:01:14,440 It's like a $25 game if we all play. 22 00:01:14,440 --> 00:01:16,880 But anyway, so I think it was just the four of us, right? 23 00:01:16,880 --> 00:01:19,400 I don't know where Jeff and Dan had gone, but. 24 00:01:19,800 --> 00:01:21,280 They were waiting in line for Rex. 25 00:01:21,440 --> 00:01:24,600 That's right for Rex. So Jeff and Amy and myself and 26 00:01:24,600 --> 00:01:26,760 Paul, we all sat down. Luckily we didn't have any 27 00:01:26,760 --> 00:01:30,120 competition, although I feel like Amy would have beat them 28 00:01:30,120 --> 00:01:34,360 anyway, But so they, so we were going to pay or Jeff was going 29 00:01:34,360 --> 00:01:36,200 to pay for all of us, but they were like, oh, just sit down, 30 00:01:36,200 --> 00:01:37,280 sit down. We'll get started. 31 00:01:37,440 --> 00:01:40,640 So the cast members told us to sit down and they asked Paul and 32 00:01:40,640 --> 00:01:43,520 I, it was actually our, our 12 year wedding anniversary on that 33 00:01:43,520 --> 00:01:46,040 day. And they asked us about our 34 00:01:46,040 --> 00:01:48,760 celebrating button and we said, you know, 12 year wedding 35 00:01:48,760 --> 00:01:52,320 anniversary love Wally. Wally was the first movie we 36 00:01:52,320 --> 00:01:54,880 ever went and saw together. And Paul still has the movie 37 00:01:54,880 --> 00:02:01,200 ticket from Wally. And so they said, you know, sit 38 00:02:01,200 --> 00:02:03,040 down, sit down, we'll get started. 39 00:02:03,320 --> 00:02:06,160 And we played. And of course Amy Templeton won 40 00:02:06,160 --> 00:02:09,960 because she creamed everyone on Midway Mania as well. 41 00:02:10,479 --> 00:02:13,360 And they said you know, OK, well what do you want? 42 00:02:13,360 --> 00:02:17,440 And but they said but you get 2 prizes or something. 43 00:02:17,440 --> 00:02:18,920 I don't know why they just made it up. 44 00:02:19,440 --> 00:02:22,320 And so Amy got the little Mickey, Paul got his little 45 00:02:22,800 --> 00:02:26,840 boot. So we got 2 prizes for one. 46 00:02:27,080 --> 00:02:30,160 And then when we went to leave, they didn't charge us for the 47 00:02:30,160 --> 00:02:32,560 game at all. They came around, another cast 48 00:02:32,560 --> 00:02:35,840 member came around and they had taken the Wally and the Eve 49 00:02:35,840 --> 00:02:39,720 stuffies and they had put the anniversary buttons on them to 50 00:02:39,760 --> 00:02:41,880 say 12 years and they gave them to us. 51 00:02:41,880 --> 00:02:45,680 So they didn't charge us for the game and we got a whole bunch of 52 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:48,920 the stuffies for free. But I thought that was sweet. 53 00:02:49,840 --> 00:02:51,840 That was very cool. I was. 54 00:02:51,840 --> 00:02:54,040 I was really happy to be a part of it, because it was. 55 00:02:54,240 --> 00:02:56,040 I've never seen Pixie dust like that either. 56 00:02:56,680 --> 00:02:58,360 And everybody walked away with a prize. 57 00:02:58,400 --> 00:03:02,120 Well, except me. So I had to go buy my my. 58 00:03:02,840 --> 00:03:04,320 Jeff had to go get his own Carmajin. 59 00:03:14,180 --> 00:03:16,580 Hey everybody, and welcome to this week's episode of The DVC 60 00:03:16,580 --> 00:03:18,820 Show. I'm your host Paul Krieger, 61 00:03:18,940 --> 00:03:24,640 joined by Wally, joined by Eve the Boot, my lovely wife Amy 62 00:03:24,640 --> 00:03:26,440 Krieger. We've got John, scary Big fat 63 00:03:26,440 --> 00:03:29,160 Panda with us. Welcome home everyone. 64 00:03:29,280 --> 00:03:31,800 Senior sales associated for the DVC resale market. 65 00:03:32,120 --> 00:03:35,440 Derek, Deborah. Hey now, happy Monday everybody. 66 00:03:35,880 --> 00:03:39,240 And the one the only, the honorable Jeff Haslam and his 67 00:03:39,240 --> 00:03:44,640 crew mother. I'm just going to hold these for 68 00:03:44,640 --> 00:03:46,160 the entire show. It's going to be great. 69 00:03:47,120 --> 00:03:49,400 It's very comforting. It like brings out the inner 70 00:03:49,880 --> 00:03:51,680 child, Paul. Yeah, now you know why I like 71 00:03:51,760 --> 00:03:54,680 Toothless. But he just sits on a shelf now. 72 00:03:55,240 --> 00:03:58,520 Well, he's kind of big. Yeah, we're also, the dogs are 73 00:03:58,520 --> 00:04:01,120 already staring at me with like, saliva dripping out of their 74 00:04:01,120 --> 00:04:02,640 mouth. The fact that I'm holding these 75 00:04:02,640 --> 00:04:05,840 and they're close to the ground. Most of these, they actually go 76 00:04:05,840 --> 00:04:07,440 on that shelf. That's like right behind my head 77 00:04:07,440 --> 00:04:09,200 right now is where they came from. 78 00:04:09,200 --> 00:04:13,960 But well, welcome to this week's episode of the DVC show. 79 00:04:13,960 --> 00:04:16,399 Fair warning to anyone that's watching, this is the third show 80 00:04:16,399 --> 00:04:17,839 of the night. So we are going to be a little 81 00:04:17,839 --> 00:04:19,480 bit hungry. We are going to be a little bit 82 00:04:19,480 --> 00:04:24,000 hangry and we might be a little bit off the rails, but we're 83 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:26,640 going to get through it because I think this week's topic is a 84 00:04:26,640 --> 00:04:29,560 good one that has come up several times in conversation. 85 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:33,400 But it is comparing some of the newer DVC properties that are 86 00:04:33,400 --> 00:04:37,160 out there to what we traditionally call the older 87 00:04:37,160 --> 00:04:42,040 properties, the old Key West, the Boardwalk Resort, some of 88 00:04:42,040 --> 00:04:45,160 those original properties. I'm just talking through some of 89 00:04:45,160 --> 00:04:49,400 the things that make each of those a little bit different and 90 00:04:49,400 --> 00:04:52,720 maybe influence your decision in making if you're looking to buy 91 00:04:52,720 --> 00:04:55,400 into Disney Vacation Club, if you're looking to maybe stay 92 00:04:55,400 --> 00:04:58,080 rent points and stay at one of these properties. 93 00:04:58,360 --> 00:05:02,480 So hope to kind of impart some wisdom when you're making that 94 00:05:02,480 --> 00:05:05,480 decision. This and all of our DVC content 95 00:05:05,480 --> 00:05:09,240 as always brought to you by the world of DVCDVC resale market 96 00:05:09,240 --> 00:05:12,200 where you can buy or sell a Disney Vacation Club contract. 97 00:05:12,520 --> 00:05:16,200 Monera Financial who will assist in financing that DVC resale 98 00:05:16,200 --> 00:05:19,160 contract purchase. Amy's texting someone right now 99 00:05:19,160 --> 00:05:22,520 looking to finance a contract? The DVC Rental Store where you 100 00:05:22,520 --> 00:05:25,440 can try before you buy, rent some points or rent out your own 101 00:05:25,440 --> 00:05:28,440 points for cash, and Unlocked Magic where you can get 102 00:05:28,440 --> 00:05:31,680 discounted Walt Disney World and Universal tickets at 103 00:05:31,680 --> 00:05:36,920 unlockedmagic.com/DVCfan. I just want to give myself a 104 00:05:36,920 --> 00:05:39,480 round of applause for the fact that that was the smoothest. 105 00:05:39,480 --> 00:05:44,400 I have read that in probably two months of this show, so I fully 106 00:05:44,400 --> 00:05:47,000 credit it to the fact that I'm holding a Wally at the moment. 107 00:05:47,240 --> 00:05:52,120 But was this your original idea? I forget where we got this idea 108 00:05:52,120 --> 00:05:55,120 for this show in terms of kind of comparing newer. 109 00:05:55,600 --> 00:05:59,560 No, it was a it was a fan of the show that yes, that asked. 110 00:05:59,720 --> 00:06:03,040 Shout out to that fan. I apologize that I don't know 111 00:06:03,040 --> 00:06:05,720 your name at this at this moment, but we do get a lot of 112 00:06:05,800 --> 00:06:09,520 show ideas that come in. And this was one that we kind of 113 00:06:09,960 --> 00:06:12,120 identified as something that I think is very relevant. 114 00:06:12,120 --> 00:06:15,000 Because I think that when it comes to some of these older DVC 115 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:18,800 properties, there are some that we are just never going to kind 116 00:06:18,800 --> 00:06:20,360 of see a property like that again. 117 00:06:20,680 --> 00:06:25,400 And I think that's what makes them so special is kind of just 118 00:06:26,080 --> 00:06:29,720 their uniqueness and kind of where Disney Vacation Club came 119 00:06:29,720 --> 00:06:32,360 from as a whole. When I sent this over to this 120 00:06:32,360 --> 00:06:35,000 whole team, I said we're going to kind of focus our 121 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:38,640 conversation on comparing two different types of properties. 122 00:06:39,040 --> 00:06:41,560 I mentioned old properties. We're going to be looking at 123 00:06:41,560 --> 00:06:44,360 kind of old Key West and we're going to be looking at Boardwalk 124 00:06:44,600 --> 00:06:48,120 for some of those older style resorts for newer properties. 125 00:06:48,120 --> 00:06:50,960 We're going to be looking at specifically Riviera and also 126 00:06:50,960 --> 00:06:54,880 the most recent that has come online, the Polynesian Island 127 00:06:54,880 --> 00:06:59,120 tower and just focusing on it because of some of the design 128 00:06:59,120 --> 00:07:02,000 decisions and some and kind of what they're doing in some of 129 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:03,320 the rooms. You could probably add 130 00:07:03,520 --> 00:07:07,520 Disneyland Hotel to that list as well, but we'll kind of keep our 131 00:07:07,520 --> 00:07:11,680 conversation focused on some of those discussions. 132 00:07:12,160 --> 00:07:15,920 But I think the best way to start this off is to focus on 133 00:07:15,920 --> 00:07:20,200 kind of those general resort theming and design decisions. 134 00:07:20,440 --> 00:07:23,920 Jeff, I want to take it to you for Old Key West real quick and 135 00:07:23,920 --> 00:07:27,120 just, you know what makes that resort so special in terms of 136 00:07:27,120 --> 00:07:31,040 its overall theming and that design and layout that they have 137 00:07:31,040 --> 00:07:34,760 there? Yeah, for me, I think the 138 00:07:34,840 --> 00:07:37,520 biggest take away for Old Key West is the size of the rooms. 139 00:07:37,640 --> 00:07:39,680 You know, we've talked about this many, many times on the 140 00:07:39,680 --> 00:07:42,520 show. They don't make them like this 141 00:07:42,520 --> 00:07:46,240 anymore. Those rooms are are 50% larger 142 00:07:46,240 --> 00:07:48,720 than any of the other rooms at any of the other resorts. 143 00:07:48,800 --> 00:07:51,720 And so I think that's a big win, especially if you're traveling 144 00:07:51,720 --> 00:07:54,480 with a big party or you want some room to spread out. 145 00:07:54,480 --> 00:07:56,880 You don't want to have to move your suitcase from the bed to 146 00:07:56,880 --> 00:07:58,400 the couch and then back and forth. 147 00:07:58,920 --> 00:08:01,280 There's just a lot of open space in those rooms. 148 00:08:01,760 --> 00:08:04,160 The color palette, you know, it's very Caribbean, it's very 149 00:08:04,160 --> 00:08:06,680 Florida, it's very Jimmy Buffett. 150 00:08:06,680 --> 00:08:09,120 It's very, you know, Key West, obviously. 151 00:08:09,120 --> 00:08:12,960 And so I think those two things are what it really has going for 152 00:08:12,960 --> 00:08:15,520 it. I know people complain about the 153 00:08:15,520 --> 00:08:18,600 sprawling nature of the resort and then the amount of bus stops 154 00:08:18,600 --> 00:08:22,640 that it takes. For me, I actually put that in 155 00:08:22,640 --> 00:08:26,200 the pro column rather than the con, because it feels like a 156 00:08:26,200 --> 00:08:28,760 neighborhood. It doesn't feel like a hotel 157 00:08:29,400 --> 00:08:31,520 that you're going to stay, that you have to go to the lobby and 158 00:08:31,520 --> 00:08:34,600 then go up to an elevator and down the hallway to your room. 159 00:08:35,080 --> 00:08:38,960 You park in front of your your house for the week or however 160 00:08:38,960 --> 00:08:41,520 long you're staying and I I think that's something that 161 00:08:41,520 --> 00:08:45,000 sometimes is under undervalued with that resort. 162 00:08:45,720 --> 00:08:49,400 Yeah, keeping with the old resorts, Derek, it is where you 163 00:08:49,400 --> 00:08:53,120 own it is your home resort, your your home property where all of 164 00:08:53,120 --> 00:08:56,560 your points are. Boardwalk Resort is probably 165 00:08:56,640 --> 00:09:00,400 again what we would consider an older DVC property. 166 00:09:00,400 --> 00:09:03,560 What makes it so special when we compare it to maybe some of the 167 00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:05,560 other properties that are being built today? 168 00:09:06,960 --> 00:09:09,360 Yeah, I think, God, it's so hard because there's so many great 169 00:09:09,360 --> 00:09:12,200 things about the Boardwalk. But I mean, to me, like we first 170 00:09:12,200 --> 00:09:14,880 fell in love with it when when we first visited it for the 171 00:09:14,880 --> 00:09:16,320 first time, like after it opened. 172 00:09:16,320 --> 00:09:18,320 So this is back in like the late 90s. 173 00:09:18,320 --> 00:09:21,560 And there's something about coming off that road and making 174 00:09:21,560 --> 00:09:24,960 that left turn coming up and seeing the sign that, you know, 175 00:09:24,960 --> 00:09:28,360 says Boardwalk and you see the resort and then you walk into 176 00:09:28,360 --> 00:09:32,200 that lobby. And I think still to this day, 177 00:09:32,200 --> 00:09:35,960 and it's so funny because I just had someone that joined with me 178 00:09:35,960 --> 00:09:38,760 not that long ago that used their points for the first time 179 00:09:39,040 --> 00:09:41,560 and they were able to get into the Boardwalk, right? 180 00:09:41,760 --> 00:09:45,240 They had never even been to Crescent Lake. 181 00:09:45,240 --> 00:09:48,240 They've never even been there. They've never seen it. 182 00:09:48,240 --> 00:09:52,000 They've heard about it, but had no idea actually what it was. 183 00:09:52,320 --> 00:09:55,280 And now he wound up buying some points for the boardwalk because 184 00:09:55,280 --> 00:09:59,160 he's like, Derek, this area is just so unbelievable and so many 185 00:09:59,160 --> 00:10:03,120 people still to this, they don't know about it because it really 186 00:10:03,120 --> 00:10:05,240 is this whole other kind of world. 187 00:10:05,240 --> 00:10:07,960 And I think for me, that's when we fell in love with the 188 00:10:07,960 --> 00:10:10,320 boardwalk. Is that, yes, you don't have 189 00:10:10,320 --> 00:10:12,960 your, you know, view of the quote UN quote, Magic Kingdom or 190 00:10:12,960 --> 00:10:14,800 you don't have like old Key West. 191 00:10:14,800 --> 00:10:17,680 You know, you can't park right out in front of your car, but 192 00:10:17,680 --> 00:10:20,960 you have the boardwalk. I mean, you walk out there, 193 00:10:21,200 --> 00:10:23,960 you're in that boardwalk lobby and you step out and you look 194 00:10:23,960 --> 00:10:26,400 across the water and see the beach club and you see the Yacht 195 00:10:26,400 --> 00:10:29,560 Club and then you see the water and then you go down to the 196 00:10:29,560 --> 00:10:31,040 boardwalk. And then of course, you hear 197 00:10:31,040 --> 00:10:34,440 that familiar, you know, boardwalk, that old time music 198 00:10:34,440 --> 00:10:38,120 playing over the speakers and you know, it's wow, where do I 199 00:10:38,120 --> 00:10:39,120 go? Do I go left? 200 00:10:39,120 --> 00:10:41,080 You know what, I could walk over here and go to the Hollywood 201 00:10:41,080 --> 00:10:43,800 Studios or the boats are right in front of me, or I can walk 202 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:47,320 and stroll over to Epcot or there's the sky liner that's 203 00:10:47,320 --> 00:10:49,400 over there. To me, it's just such a 204 00:10:49,400 --> 00:10:53,480 beautiful area that it feels like a vacation, you know, in 205 00:10:53,560 --> 00:10:56,160 Walt Disney World. So I mean, as much as I love the 206 00:10:56,160 --> 00:10:59,000 Poly and I love being in that area because that to me is just 207 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:01,320 the quintessential Disney for me. 208 00:11:01,320 --> 00:11:04,440 We fell in love with the boardwalk when we realized that 209 00:11:04,440 --> 00:11:07,520 my God, we could walk to Epcot in like 4 minutes. 210 00:11:08,120 --> 00:11:10,440 That was as good as it got for us. 211 00:11:10,680 --> 00:11:13,640 Not to mention, the boardwalk at night takes on such a different 212 00:11:14,160 --> 00:11:17,240 vibe and a feel and there's so many options. 213 00:11:17,280 --> 00:11:19,800 Not as many right now, but hopefully there will be, you 214 00:11:19,800 --> 00:11:23,800 know, wink, wink. But between the Yacht Club and 215 00:11:23,800 --> 00:11:26,680 the Beach Club and the Swan and the Dolphin and the boardwalk 216 00:11:26,680 --> 00:11:28,880 itself, there's just so much stuff to do. 217 00:11:28,880 --> 00:11:30,160 And it's just got such an energy. 218 00:11:30,160 --> 00:11:32,480 And again, Epcot is right in your back door. 219 00:11:32,480 --> 00:11:34,920 And if you don't even feel like walking into Epcot to watch the 220 00:11:34,920 --> 00:11:37,560 fireworks, you can just walk up right to the bridge right there 221 00:11:37,560 --> 00:11:39,520 or even stay right on the boardwalk and watch them. 222 00:11:39,520 --> 00:11:42,440 Or heck, if you get one of those really good rooms that are all 223 00:11:42,440 --> 00:11:46,040 the way down by Jelly rolls, you can watch the fireworks right 224 00:11:46,040 --> 00:11:49,160 from your room. So yeah, we we fell in love with 225 00:11:49,160 --> 00:11:52,040 it because to me, it's just a destination within a 226 00:11:52,040 --> 00:11:53,800 destination. I guess you could say that. 227 00:11:54,720 --> 00:11:58,600 It's so interesting to see where the product itself has gone over 228 00:11:58,600 --> 00:12:01,360 the years. And I think it's, it's crazy to 229 00:12:01,440 --> 00:12:05,280 to see a resort like old QS being the first Disney Vacation 230 00:12:05,280 --> 00:12:09,160 Club resort that they built, being that sprawling design, as 231 00:12:09,160 --> 00:12:11,560 Jeff kind of talked about, you know, the ability to just pull 232 00:12:11,560 --> 00:12:15,000 right up to your room, but then have something almost completely 233 00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:19,400 different that they then constructed with Boardwalk being 234 00:12:19,400 --> 00:12:22,280 a different kind of feel. And it's, it's the appealing 235 00:12:22,280 --> 00:12:25,600 nature that Disney Vacation Club has always brought to the table. 236 00:12:25,800 --> 00:12:28,440 And we even see that carried through to, you know, the newer 237 00:12:28,440 --> 00:12:30,920 resorts today that we'll get to in a second. 238 00:12:31,600 --> 00:12:34,480 But I want to focus on the older resorts at first as we kind of 239 00:12:34,480 --> 00:12:38,160 compare new versus old and just talk about some of the pros and 240 00:12:38,160 --> 00:12:42,640 cons of these two resorts. First, you know, we've talked a 241 00:12:42,640 --> 00:12:44,680 little bit, Jeff, you know, you know, you talked a little bit 242 00:12:44,680 --> 00:12:46,760 about the rooms and how special they are. 243 00:12:47,400 --> 00:12:50,480 And I think that is where we talk about Old Key West because 244 00:12:50,680 --> 00:12:54,200 I think we could all agree we will never see rooms like Old 245 00:12:54,200 --> 00:12:57,240 Key West ever again in terms of that size and that design. 246 00:12:57,840 --> 00:12:59,680 Yeah. Yeah, it's like an apartment. 247 00:13:00,840 --> 00:13:02,800 They are. So one bedrooms. 248 00:13:02,800 --> 00:13:05,520 Yeah, 1 bedrooms, 2 bedrooms. They are. 249 00:13:05,840 --> 00:13:07,920 They're some of my favorite rooms, you know, the old Key 250 00:13:07,920 --> 00:13:10,720 West ones. But also just in general, you 251 00:13:10,720 --> 00:13:14,320 know, the rooms are good size and, and I know you guys have 252 00:13:14,320 --> 00:13:17,480 been touching on this, but the resorts themselves are just more 253 00:13:17,480 --> 00:13:21,120 sprawling and they don't feel as on top of each other. 254 00:13:21,120 --> 00:13:23,520 And you have a lot more places if you like to walk or you like 255 00:13:23,520 --> 00:13:26,720 to run like we do. There's just a lot more area to 256 00:13:26,720 --> 00:13:28,120 get around. Some people view that as a 257 00:13:28,120 --> 00:13:32,400 negative, but I like the space, you know, I mean, and you look 258 00:13:32,400 --> 00:13:34,840 at these older resorts and you've got like a Max of like 3 259 00:13:34,840 --> 00:13:39,000 to 5 floors of people on top of you. 260 00:13:39,000 --> 00:13:42,160 Whereas, you know, if you go over like Riviera, you've got 261 00:13:42,160 --> 00:13:46,440 what, 8 floors, you know, these towers are getting getting 262 00:13:46,440 --> 00:13:49,640 larger and larger. You know, the island tower is 263 00:13:49,640 --> 00:13:51,080 big. Whereas when you look at the 264 00:13:51,080 --> 00:13:53,920 original older, you know, you don't have as many people in 265 00:13:53,920 --> 00:13:56,920 such a condensed space. And I think it makes the resort 266 00:13:57,200 --> 00:14:00,840 quieter. I think I I think too, Amy and 267 00:14:00,840 --> 00:14:03,240 it's so important and I think Jeff just kind of hit it too 268 00:14:03,240 --> 00:14:06,000 when he said you pull up and it feels like you're home. 269 00:14:06,440 --> 00:14:10,000 There's never been and never will be another resort that I 270 00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:13,880 think members stay at longer for extended periods of time than 271 00:14:13,880 --> 00:14:15,840 they do at Old Key West. I can. 272 00:14:15,840 --> 00:14:20,040 We got a ton of fantastic viewers of this show, Jared and 273 00:14:20,040 --> 00:14:21,880 so many people and Webmaster Doc used to. 274 00:14:22,040 --> 00:14:25,560 These are folks that would go to Old Key West, and they still do, 275 00:14:25,640 --> 00:14:28,480 but they would go not just for three nights or not for a week. 276 00:14:28,640 --> 00:14:31,240 They're going for two weeks. Three weeks. 277 00:14:31,760 --> 00:14:35,160 Even up to a month and they're doing it that I don't think 278 00:14:35,360 --> 00:14:37,920 you'll ever have people do that for two reasons. 279 00:14:37,960 --> 00:14:41,080 A because who wants to like stay at the, I mean no offense to the 280 00:14:41,080 --> 00:14:43,720 Poly tower, it's super pretty, but I don't want to stay there 281 00:14:43,720 --> 00:14:45,920 for like a month. Like Jeff said, I don't want to 282 00:14:45,920 --> 00:14:48,800 have to go wait in the line for the elevator every single day 283 00:14:48,800 --> 00:14:52,200 and do the same kind of thing. It feels like your home. 284 00:14:52,280 --> 00:14:54,680 And not to mention most people are not going to be staying 285 00:14:54,680 --> 00:14:57,800 there for 3-4 weeks because the points are insane. 286 00:14:58,080 --> 00:14:59,920 Whereas you could go to old Key West. 287 00:15:00,160 --> 00:15:03,800 And the point I remember being Disney vacation Gov guide 288 00:15:03,800 --> 00:15:06,280 training like 20 years ago and one of the first things that 289 00:15:06,280 --> 00:15:08,920 they trained you on was truly when people talk about old Key 290 00:15:08,920 --> 00:15:13,160 West, it's two things. The rooms are 20% bigger than 291 00:15:13,160 --> 00:15:15,840 any other Disney Vacation Club resort and that still holds true 292 00:15:16,040 --> 00:15:21,360 and the point usage is 20% less. So that's why I've seen over 20 293 00:15:21,360 --> 00:15:24,440 years of talking to folks and all my Old Key West members will 294 00:15:24,440 --> 00:15:27,480 always say, so how are you using your points these days? 295 00:15:27,480 --> 00:15:30,760 You be like, yeah, we tried the New Riviera, but we're going to 296 00:15:30,760 --> 00:15:34,120 go back to Old Key Western. Yeah, we tried the Poly Tower, 297 00:15:34,120 --> 00:15:36,960 but we're going to go back to Old Key West, so. 298 00:15:36,960 --> 00:15:40,720 Just to back that up, I own at Riviera. 299 00:15:40,720 --> 00:15:44,880 I am happy I own at Riviera. But I will say that 20% of my 300 00:15:44,880 --> 00:15:47,560 time is Riviera. The 80. 301 00:15:47,560 --> 00:15:52,160 I spend 80% at Old Key West. I love the feeling of it. 302 00:15:52,640 --> 00:15:55,720 It's a better use of points. When I go with my nieces and my 303 00:15:55,720 --> 00:15:59,400 nephew. It's it's more, there's much 304 00:15:59,400 --> 00:16:02,960 more space. Like Jeff said, it's just yeah. 305 00:16:02,960 --> 00:16:05,880 But you know, I love it. If I need the gondola for some 306 00:16:05,880 --> 00:16:08,720 reason, I'll make sure I stay at my home resort. 307 00:16:09,200 --> 00:16:12,440 Otherwise, I'm spending my points at Old Key West. 308 00:16:12,960 --> 00:16:15,560 I always feel like, you know, kind of like what Derek said 309 00:16:15,800 --> 00:16:19,000 when we stayed at Saratoga Springs, the first time we ever 310 00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:22,360 stayed there and we sat on the balcony and, you know, drink 311 00:16:22,360 --> 00:16:24,400 coffee and whatever. Homestead Best. 312 00:16:24,400 --> 00:16:28,760 Yeah, I, I remember thinking like this feels like home. 313 00:16:28,760 --> 00:16:31,600 Like I could live here. Like this could be my condo and 314 00:16:31,600 --> 00:16:34,560 I could live here. And, and some people don't want 315 00:16:34,560 --> 00:16:35,920 that. Some people, you know, when they 316 00:16:35,920 --> 00:16:38,600 go to Disney, they want to feel like, bam, I'm in the middle of 317 00:16:38,640 --> 00:16:40,320 everything. I'm in the middle of the magic, 318 00:16:40,960 --> 00:16:44,560 and I get that completely. But if you want that escape, if 319 00:16:44,560 --> 00:16:47,000 you want to be somewhere where you feel like this feels like a 320 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:51,520 community and I could live here forever, then yeah, Saratoga and 321 00:16:51,520 --> 00:16:54,920 Olkey West are definitely give you that feeling where you get 322 00:16:54,920 --> 00:16:58,520 away from, you know, the the madness and the busyness of the 323 00:16:58,520 --> 00:17:02,160 crowds. And yeah, that's just. 324 00:17:02,360 --> 00:17:06,119 I always like that, I feel. Like I I feel like it'll never 325 00:17:06,119 --> 00:17:09,359 happen again. Like any other DVC resort that 326 00:17:09,359 --> 00:17:14,400 they build will never be one of those sprawling community type 327 00:17:14,640 --> 00:17:17,319 resorts. I think those days are done. 328 00:17:17,599 --> 00:17:21,920 The only reason that Saratoga is how it is is because they took 329 00:17:21,920 --> 00:17:24,240 over for Disney Institute. That's it. 330 00:17:24,839 --> 00:17:27,040 They're never going to have a meeting and sit down and say, 331 00:17:27,079 --> 00:17:29,680 all right, here's our 20th DVC resort. 332 00:17:29,680 --> 00:17:32,640 It's going to be a sprawling golf community with a 333 00:17:32,640 --> 00:17:35,280 Mediterranean feel. It ain't ever going to be that 334 00:17:35,280 --> 00:17:36,320 again. Never. 335 00:17:36,320 --> 00:17:38,800 I think everything from this point on, you're at least 336 00:17:38,800 --> 00:17:40,000 talking. You know what? 337 00:17:40,240 --> 00:17:45,360 How big is Lakeside Lakeshore Lodge. 5 stories. 10 stories, 5. 338 00:17:45,640 --> 00:17:46,160 Seven. I don't. 339 00:17:46,760 --> 00:17:49,360 Know it looks big. 900 rooms. It's huge. 340 00:17:50,040 --> 00:17:53,040 It's 900 rooms, right? But it's that feeling of you're 341 00:17:53,040 --> 00:17:55,120 never going to have the kind where you can pull up and park 342 00:17:55,120 --> 00:17:57,080 your car, like Jeff said, right outside your room. 343 00:17:57,080 --> 00:17:59,840 I think those days of that, they're not going to use the 344 00:17:59,840 --> 00:18:01,040 land for that. Absolutely not. 345 00:18:01,280 --> 00:18:05,360 The only recent, you know, example of that again is the 346 00:18:05,360 --> 00:18:08,760 cabins at Fort Wilderness. And Derek, to your point, they 347 00:18:08,760 --> 00:18:13,560 took over an existing property. So that's the only reason it is 348 00:18:13,560 --> 00:18:16,840 what it is. But to look at the land they 349 00:18:16,840 --> 00:18:19,240 have available, sure they could do it, they've got the land 350 00:18:19,240 --> 00:18:22,120 available, but why build something like that when you 351 00:18:22,120 --> 00:18:25,960 could just build up and that that's the general kind of theme 352 00:18:25,960 --> 00:18:27,880 that we've seen with a lot of these resorts. 353 00:18:27,880 --> 00:18:31,480 So unless they convert maybe a moderate property in some 354 00:18:31,480 --> 00:18:34,520 capacity and take some of those buildings and make them into 355 00:18:34,520 --> 00:18:36,920 DVC, but those weren't even designed for it. 356 00:18:36,920 --> 00:18:38,400 So I think that could be a stretch. 357 00:18:38,640 --> 00:18:40,040 And I don't think we're going to see it at Port. 358 00:18:40,080 --> 00:18:43,560 I, I think if we ever see it at a moderate like Port Orleans or 359 00:18:43,560 --> 00:18:46,880 Coronado spray, we're going to see a tower added to the resort 360 00:18:48,440 --> 00:18:52,120 to, to bring that capacity in because the original rooms just 361 00:18:52,120 --> 00:18:56,240 weren't designed for it. We've praised these older 362 00:18:56,240 --> 00:18:59,320 resorts and I, I think anyone that listens to this show, you 363 00:18:59,320 --> 00:19:02,600 know, we always sort of say, you know, it's, it's like the 364 00:19:02,600 --> 00:19:04,520 general, they don't make them like they used to. 365 00:19:04,520 --> 00:19:07,560 Like it's that general, it's that general kind of thought 366 00:19:07,560 --> 00:19:10,000 process. And that's super true when it 367 00:19:10,000 --> 00:19:14,400 comes to Disney Vacation Club, But is there any, when we focus 368 00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:17,320 on these two specific properties kind of being our older 369 00:19:17,760 --> 00:19:20,920 properties, are there any big negatives that you could kind of 370 00:19:20,920 --> 00:19:25,000 draw out or pinpoint with these resorts that Disney Vacation 371 00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:28,120 Club has actually improved upon over the years? 372 00:19:28,400 --> 00:19:31,680 Yeah, 100%. Yeah, Panda, what would be one 373 00:19:31,680 --> 00:19:33,080 of them that that would come to your mind? 374 00:19:33,840 --> 00:19:36,520 I'm, I'm nitpicking, but the furniture is kind of, you know, 375 00:19:36,520 --> 00:19:39,280 it's been through the, the mill. It's not the, you know, there's 376 00:19:39,560 --> 00:19:42,800 just fibers popping out. There's cushions that are not as 377 00:19:42,800 --> 00:19:45,560 new as they should be, unlike the Revere. 378 00:19:45,560 --> 00:19:48,840 There's tiles that are cracked in the bathroom at the, at old 379 00:19:48,840 --> 00:19:51,200 Key West. It's just not new, but it's OK. 380 00:19:51,520 --> 00:19:55,320 I mean, old is in the name. So I kind of expected, you know, 381 00:19:56,200 --> 00:19:59,640 the Riviera feels like, you know, the the octagonal tile and 382 00:19:59,640 --> 00:20:02,680 it's much richer with the bathtub and actually the bathtub 383 00:20:02,680 --> 00:20:04,000 at old Key West wasn't bad, though. 384 00:20:04,280 --> 00:20:07,800 So I think furnishings is my is my big take away. 385 00:20:07,800 --> 00:20:10,360 It feels, you know, rundown A. Little. 386 00:20:10,360 --> 00:20:12,880 I think Old Key West is the only place on property where you 387 00:20:12,880 --> 00:20:16,240 still have furniture that is bolted to the wall. 388 00:20:16,720 --> 00:20:19,960 With the. Chain And I will say, Derek, you 389 00:20:19,960 --> 00:20:22,440 mentioned the rooms at Old Key West being some of the best and 390 00:20:22,440 --> 00:20:25,400 I agree with that one, bedrooms and up. 391 00:20:25,520 --> 00:20:30,920 But I will say that that deluxe studio wise, Disney improved 392 00:20:30,920 --> 00:20:34,640 upon the deluxe studio after they moved away from Old Key 393 00:20:34,640 --> 00:20:36,200 West. That is the only one that I'm 394 00:20:36,200 --> 00:20:38,680 just kind of like the layout was a little bit weird. 395 00:20:39,160 --> 00:20:44,480 It kind of just feels like you're walking into, you hit, 396 00:20:44,480 --> 00:20:46,160 you hit the. Bed. 397 00:20:46,160 --> 00:20:48,120 Yeah, Yeah. Yeah, yeah, it's, it's just 398 00:20:48,120 --> 00:20:50,760 there's two beds right there. There's ATV on the other side of 399 00:20:50,760 --> 00:20:52,200 the wall. Everything else is tucked in the 400 00:20:52,200 --> 00:20:53,840 corner. There's no character to the 401 00:20:53,840 --> 00:20:56,440 studios. I would agree with that and and 402 00:20:56,440 --> 00:21:00,000 actually Old Key West probably more than any of the other 403 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:04,640 deluxe studios, feels like a hotel room more than the rest of 404 00:21:04,640 --> 00:21:07,760 them do because it lacks the Murphy beds it lacks. 405 00:21:07,760 --> 00:21:10,080 It's kind of that it has that weird layout like you guys were. 406 00:21:10,360 --> 00:21:14,480 TV's tiny, yeah? T VS very small There's 2 queen 407 00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:17,720 beds instead of you know a bed and a you know so but. 408 00:21:17,720 --> 00:21:20,320 That's a win for that's a win for some people. 409 00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:22,440 It is. People only stay at Old Key West 410 00:21:22,440 --> 00:21:26,080 because of two real beds and there's already discussions. 411 00:21:26,080 --> 00:21:29,600 Old Key West is up for its soft goods refurbishment very soon. 412 00:21:29,600 --> 00:21:31,960 It feels like we would just finish talking about it's full, 413 00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:34,880 full refurbishment. But now they're they're coming 414 00:21:34,880 --> 00:21:37,720 around to a soft goods again and there's already discussions. 415 00:21:38,160 --> 00:21:41,840 And I believe Disney Vacation Club has said, Jeff, at the 416 00:21:41,840 --> 00:21:46,760 meetings that, you know, they're they're looking at adding the 417 00:21:46,760 --> 00:21:49,280 Murphy beds there. But at the same time, I think 418 00:21:49,280 --> 00:21:52,320 that if they really listen to the owners of that resort, I'm 419 00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:53,560 not quite sure that they want them. 420 00:21:54,200 --> 00:21:56,400 Well, and there's some layout issues too, like you guys were 421 00:21:56,400 --> 00:21:59,360 talking about in our last show. It's not going to fit 422 00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:04,400 everywhere, but I would say they've also improved greatly, 423 00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:08,200 especially from the old Key West food and beverage. 424 00:22:08,760 --> 00:22:11,560 Oh yeah. You know, I mean, I think 425 00:22:11,560 --> 00:22:15,040 Olivia's is great and I think it's cool because it does give 426 00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:17,840 you that mom and pop feel with the pictures of people that have 427 00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:20,280 stayed there in the past and the license plate and all that 428 00:22:20,280 --> 00:22:23,160 stuff. But the gurgling suitcase is the 429 00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:25,760 smallest. It's smaller than my bar at my 430 00:22:25,760 --> 00:22:27,080 house, you know what I mean? Like. 431 00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:29,560 That I don't know what that says. 432 00:22:30,520 --> 00:22:35,040 Well, yeah, the goods to go quick service is it feels like 433 00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:37,760 you're standing out in the hot sun and waiting for hot soup. 434 00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:41,240 It's just there's no shade and there's no place to eat it. 435 00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:43,400 Yeah. And do you remember I wrote you 436 00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:44,840 guys when I got the soup there, though? 437 00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:47,200 It was really good. You know it was 90. 438 00:22:47,880 --> 00:22:49,880 Eight they they had a coconut Curry chain of soup. 439 00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:53,800 Name like Turf Club, artist palette, the bar there. 440 00:22:55,480 --> 00:22:58,960 The newer resorts definitely have a lot more to offer from 441 00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:01,720 that point. Of view and that that is the, 442 00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:06,120 the plus of kind of the tower concepts as well is that you do 443 00:23:06,120 --> 00:23:09,720 have more opportunity to then bring all those amenities into 444 00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:11,680 one place. Because if you are on the other 445 00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:17,520 side of old Key West or you know the other side, you could say it 446 00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:20,920 about boardwalk as well. Like especially right now, 447 00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:23,240 boardwalk is really struggling with an identity crisis. 448 00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:26,680 But you know, a historical complaint about Boardwalk is 449 00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:31,720 that there is no quick service or easily accessible food, more 450 00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:35,840 so even refillable drink stations in the main complex. 451 00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:41,960 You have to either go outside and go to the Boardwalk deli or 452 00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:46,040 you have to go to the pool area for the refillable mug stations. 453 00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:50,720 That's and, and how easy would it be, even in the lobby area? 454 00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:53,640 For the seating is for the coffee bar, just to add. 455 00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:58,840 Just. Freestyle like just easy, easy 456 00:23:58,840 --> 00:24:01,560 fix that would solve a lot of guest complaints. 457 00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:05,520 Or on the other side, you've got Bellevue Lounge where you could 458 00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:09,400 bring in a little bit more food, have some more grab and go 459 00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:13,160 options, you know, or expand that area and potentially make 460 00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:16,160 it some sort of, whether it's a quick service or something, I 461 00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:18,600 don't know. It's it's called and we've 462 00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:20,560 talked about this, it's called Atlantic Dance. 463 00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:23,160 Needs to become a quick service. That's it. 464 00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:26,520 That's problem solved. They have a kitchen in there. 465 00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:29,040 They do events in there already. If you have it open for 466 00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:31,880 breakfast, lunch or dinner, you have inside seating, outside 467 00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:34,160 seating. It's an absolute no brainer. 468 00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:35,560 I don't know why they don't do that. 469 00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:37,760 Yeah. And this is an unpopular 470 00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:40,080 opinion, but I was talking to some friends over the weekend 471 00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:45,120 about these refillable mugs and Disney either needs to go all in 472 00:24:45,120 --> 00:24:46,600 or get out of the business all together. 473 00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:49,640 Because as it currently stands, unless you're staying at Pop 474 00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:54,160 Century or Art of Animation or the All Stars, it doesn't 475 00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:55,800 matter. The rest of the resorts, it's a 476 00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:59,280 trek to refill your mug. They just need to get away from 477 00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:01,400 it. Or go all in and put them like 478 00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:04,160 they do ice machines. Put them on every floor or every 479 00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:06,080 other floor. Like you look at what the way 480 00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:09,600 Universal does refillable mugs. You buy one mug and you can use 481 00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:11,960 it in the parks, you can use it at resort you can use. 482 00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:15,080 Oh sorry, I should have put him on my shoulder. 483 00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:18,200 I hate refillable. Mug I think they are the biggest 484 00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:21,440 money grab and the Disney propaganda I will never. 485 00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:27,560 I think, I think the difference with the 2 is that Universal 486 00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:31,600 truly looks at them as like a revenue opportunity and Disney 487 00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:34,320 looks at it as a throwaway because I'm guessing neither 488 00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:37,840 property truly pays for any of the soda that is being paid, 489 00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:40,920 that it is being utilized here. I, I imagine that the contract 490 00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:44,520 basically says that, you know, Coke will provide a, provide you 491 00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:48,040 with, you know, all of the syrup and, and mixing and all of that. 492 00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:52,840 And they, I think I agree, you know, Disney could do a lot more 493 00:25:53,120 --> 00:25:56,960 with trying to sell those where Universal is kind of going. 494 00:25:57,040 --> 00:25:57,640 Yeah. Oh yeah. 495 00:25:57,640 --> 00:26:00,640 We can actually, we can make a lot of money here if we position 496 00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:02,920 these smartly and put them in the right places and everything. 497 00:26:03,360 --> 00:26:06,280 And I, I, I'll just take this step further. 498 00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:09,360 If if you're comparing new versus old, I will say Coke 499 00:26:09,360 --> 00:26:14,800 Freestyle is a neat concept, but the machines probably cost so 500 00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:17,280 much more money and take up more room. 501 00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:20,440 But I honestly wish we would just go back to the original, 502 00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:23,920 you know, dispensers because I feel like you could process 503 00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:25,480 people through those a lot faster. 504 00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:28,600 Yeah, less choice. Maybe have one freestyle machine 505 00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:30,840 off in the corner. But like I would much rather 506 00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:35,360 just go up and get my Coke 0 from a regular dispenser a lot 507 00:26:35,360 --> 00:26:37,760 quicker than waiting for people to stand in front of those 508 00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:39,560 machines for 20 minutes and make a decision. 509 00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:41,200 Well. No one. 510 00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:44,320 No one. Never quite tastes right, 511 00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:47,320 because if you're going for a Diet Coke but the person before 512 00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:50,920 you got grape Fanta, you're getting a little bit of the 513 00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:52,560 Grape Coat. In your diet? 514 00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:56,760 Oh, I never thought of that. It never quite tastes like your 515 00:26:56,760 --> 00:26:58,760 regular Diet Coke. Yeah. 516 00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:01,000 You're getting residual. Yeah, yeah. 517 00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:06,880 You need like like 5 flavors. No one needs like a kumquat 518 00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:13,080 Sprite. Save that for club cool Oh. 519 00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:16,840 Geez. For me, for me, one of the 520 00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:19,440 biggest, one of the biggest downfalls of the older resource 521 00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:23,960 is transportation. So Jeff talked about, you know, 522 00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:28,320 it's, it is cool if you're driving a car that you can just 523 00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:30,920 pull up right to your, your, you know, quote UN quote house at 524 00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:33,840 old Key West or, you know, Saratoga you're building. 525 00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:37,880 But if you aren't driving, you know, if you're from out of town 526 00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:43,640 and you took the, I guess the Uber 'cause there's no magic 527 00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:50,360 express to your resort, then you know, it is those, those older, 528 00:27:50,360 --> 00:27:54,000 bigger resorts, they have multiple bus stops as opposed to 529 00:27:54,360 --> 00:27:55,960 the new resorts that just have one. 530 00:27:55,960 --> 00:28:02,320 So you not only do you have to, you know, be at your bus stop, 531 00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:05,680 but you have to wait for the bus to go all the way around. 532 00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:07,920 You know, I mean, depending on what stop you're at, it could be 533 00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:11,560 full by the time it gets to you. So there are some challenges 534 00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:14,320 with that. Now, that being said, the last 535 00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:17,440 time we say to Oaky WI felt like you never had to wait very long. 536 00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:21,400 Like those buses are going around everywhere. 537 00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:23,400 But then that is another downfall of it. 538 00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:27,560 Like you're constantly got buses on those roads around the 539 00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:29,520 resort. And if you look at any of the 540 00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:32,800 biggest line items when it comes to like annual dues for Old Key 541 00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:36,720 West, it pays for that too. You know, that resort is seeing, 542 00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:40,720 you know, 2-3 times as many buses as any other resort. 543 00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:44,400 Same can be said about, you know, Fort Wilderness and the 544 00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:46,960 cabins at Fort Wilderness. That's one of the main reasons 545 00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:51,120 why the annual dues there, among other reasons are extremely high 546 00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:54,360 is because of the sheer scale and the size of that property 547 00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:56,920 and the fact that the buses have to navigate around that. 548 00:28:56,920 --> 00:28:59,520 Now you're, you're absorbing some of that cost. 549 00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:03,640 Also, Boardwalk gets it right a little bit from the perspective 550 00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:06,320 of, you know, at least you can walk to two parks and at least 551 00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:08,440 you do have. You have a boat, You have sky 552 00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:10,160 liner. You have multiple options 553 00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:14,120 available to, but the some of these original resorts, I won't 554 00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:17,920 say Saratoga was a maybe an original resort, but again, it 555 00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:21,320 was kind of makeshifted like Derek said earlier from 556 00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:23,160 essentially what was there before. 557 00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:27,800 And it again also suffers from just being a resort that is only 558 00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:32,440 from can only be served via some transportation. 559 00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:36,680 Moving on to there are a couple other categories I think we want 560 00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:39,280 to compare these two on. But I do want to go to the new 561 00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:42,160 resorts a little bit and kind of what we're comparing these two 562 00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:46,560 and put that in your mind when we take a look at new versus 563 00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:49,040 old. And again, the two that we are 564 00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:53,880 looking at is Riviera and the Polynesian Island Tower Panda. 565 00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:57,160 Go ahead and give us your love, love, love letter to Riviera 566 00:29:57,160 --> 00:29:59,720 real quick. You know what makes that resort 567 00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:01,280 special? And you mentioned a little bit 568 00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:05,600 about the newer feel and and the newer amenities there, but what 569 00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:09,200 makes it, what makes it special? Just to give a comparison, like 570 00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:12,280 if you walk into grandest, you know, it's a huge lobby. 571 00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:17,240 I kind of like that Riviera is a a smaller, more intimate lobby 572 00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:20,160 with a coffee shop that doesn't say Starbucks. 573 00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:22,560 It's their own Riviera Starbucks. 574 00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:25,240 I like the fountains in the front and I liked it. 575 00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:28,360 They really don't let anybody in like the Poly. 576 00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:30,880 You could sometimes talk your way through. 577 00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:33,880 I really got to get there, you know, I got to meet a friend. 578 00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:36,240 Sometimes they let you to. Riviera is locked down. 579 00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:38,880 If you're not staying there or have a restaurant reservation, 580 00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:41,440 you're not getting unless you come over from another resort. 581 00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:45,680 So it still feels, homie, not as much as old Key West. 582 00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:48,080 There's no doubt. It doesn't feel like you know 583 00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:52,000 your neighborhood, but there's something still intimate about 584 00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:55,360 the Riviera that I love. The whole first floor there, the 585 00:30:55,400 --> 00:31:00,000 wrought iron, love it. The whole feeling of the resort, 586 00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:02,840 the quick service downstairs that would, I forgot if it's 587 00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:04,600 Piazzo something Piazo, Piazzo, Piazzo. 588 00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:07,760 Yeah. Thank you, Primo Primo Piazzo. 589 00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:12,000 Even the Was it Del Rivo bar El Rivo? 590 00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:13,600 Bar Riva. Bar Riva. 591 00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:17,920 Bar Rivo, all those places I love it, including Topolino's. 592 00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:21,480 If you go for breakfast or dinner so and the rooms are 593 00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:26,200 spectacular and they don't feel like they they had any wear and 594 00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:27,680 tear. I don't even like if you told me 595 00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:30,760 they needed a refurbishment. I can't see it when I go. 596 00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:35,720 They all feel really pretty new. So it does have that going for 597 00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:37,160 it. And of course, the gondola 598 00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:41,520 access, the you could walk right over to Caribbean beach and eat 599 00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:43,440 over at Sebastian's if you wanted to. 600 00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:48,960 So I, I still love it, but I can't say, you know, it's not up 601 00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:52,320 to the old Key West neighborhood feeling, but there's some 602 00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:56,480 similarities as far as even though it's new, it's not, you 603 00:31:56,480 --> 00:32:00,840 know, mainstream Poly, you know, it's, it's more subdued. 604 00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:04,440 Well, and the advantage of you know, we talked about the 605 00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:07,480 advantage of the sprawling and being able to feel like it's a 606 00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:10,480 neighborhood. The advantage of the tower is 607 00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:13,400 you have much more option for better views from your balcony. 608 00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:19,320 You know, you better access. I also think the public spaces 609 00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:23,680 in these newer buildings, and I'm not talking about just the 610 00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:28,200 lobby itself, but like the lounge behind the coffee shop in 611 00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:33,560 Riviera, the pools, the. Community Hall. 612 00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:36,680 Community hall is another great, great option. 613 00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:39,800 You know, it's just the splash pads like that splash pad at 614 00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:45,440 Riviera is gorgeous and the one at the Moana themed one there at 615 00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:48,640 the quiet pool is very cute for the for the kiddos, you know 616 00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:51,400 what I mean? So you have those public spaces 617 00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:53,920 that are centralized that's easy still to get your food and your 618 00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:57,400 drinks, but still kind of gives it that intimate feel. 619 00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:01,600 I think that's something they really have have going for them. 620 00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:05,520 It's amazing the hate that Riviera got when it came to the 621 00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:07,720 resale restrictions and all of that. 622 00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:11,880 And yet when you really go back to that resort, I think you 623 00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:16,280 cannot see anyone have ever knocked it on. 624 00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:22,280 The construction quality, the the design, all of that. 625 00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:27,640 It just hit every single mark. And I think you really you you 626 00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:30,320 do get what you paid for at that property. 627 00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:34,160 I do think that they they, they went all out in some of those 628 00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:37,120 things. On the flip side of that, the 629 00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:41,280 resort that I think has gotten more hate than any, you know, 630 00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:46,520 than any recent memory in its construction, in its design and 631 00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:50,640 it's taking over of Seven Seas Lagoon was the Island Tower 632 00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:53,800 edition at Disney's Polynesian Resort. 633 00:33:54,960 --> 00:34:00,160 Yeah, and honestly, I don't. So we're starting to see posts 634 00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:03,760 from people from the island tower of, you know, just like 635 00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:08,800 construction issues, things that are breaking cracked floor 636 00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:10,840 pieces. And it does. 637 00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:13,400 It almost feels like, 'cause you're right, I don't ever 638 00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:16,000 really remember seeing a whole lot of that from Riviera. 639 00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:18,760 And to this day, I don't feel like we get a whole lot of that 640 00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:24,320 from Riviera, but we see it from Disneyland Hotel, We see it from 641 00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:27,239 the Island Tower. Almost feels like post pandemic 642 00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:32,000 to construction. You mean quality has declined? 643 00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:35,560 Because I do think Riviera was one of the best constructed, 644 00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:39,840 best theme, like just the fixtures and everything was, you 645 00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:43,239 know, so just felt really, really upscale. 646 00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:46,320 And what's funny about Riviera is I'll never forget this one 647 00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:50,480 time when we stayed there, I watched this housekeeper because 648 00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:52,280 you can kind of see, you know, some of the balconies. 649 00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:57,120 And I watched her sweeping with, with a vacuum outside on the 650 00:34:57,120 --> 00:34:59,600 balcony. And I thought, wow, like, they 651 00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:02,600 really keep this place as nice as possible. 652 00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:05,280 And could you imagine if they they had always been sweeping 653 00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:09,400 the balconies, you know, every with every turnover of guests 654 00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:13,160 over at like Olkey W, They wouldn't be grimy like they are 655 00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:15,720 now, but and. They're, I mean, they're going 656 00:35:15,720 --> 00:35:18,600 through with a duster on the wrought iron, you know, that's, 657 00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:20,480 that's part of the balcony there as well. 658 00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:22,200 I mean. Yeah, meanwhile there's like 659 00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:25,360 spiders crawling up and down the Olkey W Falcon. 660 00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:29,160 Not that I don't love them, but but then you get to the island 661 00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:33,080 Tower and as much as I think it's it's I love I love the 662 00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:37,120 theming and how pretty it is. There are some questionable 663 00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:41,480 construction, you know, choices and was with the Disneyland 664 00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:43,400 Hotel as well. I would even add to your 665 00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:46,640 conversation the the flip that they did at Big Pine Key. 666 00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:50,680 Oh yeah. With Grand Floridian, again, you 667 00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:54,120 have these concepts for these beautiful rooms, but you know, 668 00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:55,840 we've been a part of this community so long that we've 669 00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:57,840 seen the openings of all of these resorts. 670 00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:00,960 You know, Panda was there with us when they opened Big Pine Key 671 00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:03,120 there. The, the place smelt like paint 672 00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:07,520 when we walked in the door, the, you know, they were throwing 673 00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:10,560 shrubs into the landscaping that morning. 674 00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:15,000 And I, it just surprises me that they're always up against this 675 00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:18,680 wall of that opening date. And I think I don't know if it's 676 00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:21,400 part of it obviously is construction quality. 677 00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:23,720 Trust me when I tell you, you know, we live in a new build 678 00:36:23,720 --> 00:36:25,600 community. We see how fast they're building 679 00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:27,320 houses right now down here in Florida. 680 00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:32,480 So it, it would imagine that they're using similar labor and 681 00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:34,760 that labor knows how to build things real fast. 682 00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:36,960 But there are things that are wrong. 683 00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:39,680 You know, we've had warranty items in our first year in our 684 00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:44,040 new house that we've had to call on and things, things happen, 685 00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:47,080 You know, things break. But again, when you looked at 686 00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:49,120 Riviera, you, you never saw those kind of complaints, 687 00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:53,320 whereas with especially Disneyland hotel, you know, 688 00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:57,080 Jeff, you, you recently stayed there and kind of saw some of 689 00:36:57,080 --> 00:36:58,240 that stuff first hand, didn't you? 690 00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:01,920 Yeah, and in fact, it was. It was bad enough that I felt 691 00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:05,640 necessary not to complain, but to let the general manager know 692 00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:08,560 this is a brand new property and there's already water damage in 693 00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:12,160 the bathroom that isn't being addressed as still like look 694 00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:14,440 like melted paint from the water behind the walls. 695 00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:17,520 It's a brand new property that people are paying dues for. 696 00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:20,920 So again, it wasn't a complaint. I wasn't looking for anything. 697 00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:25,960 I was just like the new, new hotel, you know, probably sand 698 00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:28,280 this down and repaint it. You know that you shouldn't see 699 00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:31,840 that, especially at a Disney hotel, especially at a $600 a 700 00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:33,680 night plus hotel. Yeah. 701 00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:36,520 Those things should be taken care of instantly. 702 00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:40,880 And I, I think it does go to the quality of construction. 703 00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:44,320 And you know, and while we're on this topic, I, I kind of don't 704 00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:51,720 want to go too far off, but I'm not a fan of the like the Big 705 00:37:51,720 --> 00:37:55,320 Pine key idea, taking an existing hotel room and 706 00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:57,880 converting it. I know we've talked about it 707 00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:00,200 that we would love to see something at Coronado or Porter 708 00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:03,280 Orleans or stuff, but it never really fits right. 709 00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:07,880 I look at Beach Club and the balcony situation there, they 710 00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:11,560 just shoehorned in some DVC rooms and you never know if 711 00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:14,120 you're going to have a balcony you can eat on or a triangle you 712 00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:16,440 got a Flamingo on with one hand, you know, 1 foot. 713 00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:20,400 They don't fit. Build something new, we'll buy 714 00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:22,240 it. Obviously we'll buy it. 715 00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:26,800 Give us, you know, a deluxe resort for the money that we're 716 00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:30,560 spending for it, not something that we polished up and put some 717 00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:32,400 new paint on. Do you think we're going to get 718 00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:37,120 that with Lakeshore Lodge? All science point to yes. 719 00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:39,840 I mean, I don't I can't speak to the construction quality because 720 00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:41,960 they're sure throwing that sucker up fast. 721 00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:46,680 But at the same time, it is encouraging that Disney is 722 00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:50,640 building something fast instead of, you know, five years for a, 723 00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:55,840 for a Plaza with lights and A, and a statue, you know, So I 724 00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:58,520 just hoped that they were bringing in more work workers to 725 00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:02,200 do it. It, it's just sad that it gets 726 00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:06,640 the, the problem that they've run into yet again is that they 727 00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:08,880 are up against a little bit of a wall because here we have 728 00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:14,280 Riviera, which as, as, as honestly, a lot of us never 729 00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:17,120 thought the day would come, or at least we knew it was far off 730 00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:19,800 into the future. Within the next 12 months, 731 00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:24,000 Riviera will sell out. Riviera will, will, will hit a 732 00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:26,880 sold out status sooner rather than later. 733 00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:29,600 I don't, I don't, I probably don't even give it 12 months to 734 00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:34,000 maybe for us to see maybe our final sales of Riviera or them 735 00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:37,000 do a promotion and and push the final sales of Riviera. 736 00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:40,440 It is getting very, very close to that point. 737 00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:43,560 That said, what do they have that's left? 738 00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:47,160 They have the Polynesian Island tower, which OK, yeah, you'll 739 00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:50,880 get by by a little bit of time, but this is where I think they 740 00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:54,840 are already at the pressure to get constructed. 741 00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:58,440 So, you know, they're, they're already at the pressure to get 742 00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:01,800 this thing up because they're going to need it to continue to 743 00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:04,800 push sales. And so you do that. 744 00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:08,680 You didn't green light it soon enough, which means now you got 745 00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:11,080 to rush construction, which means now you're going to cut 746 00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:13,400 some corners throughout that construction process. 747 00:40:14,720 --> 00:40:19,480 And I hate to say this, but I just don't know. 748 00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:23,360 We said this a long time ago. He's like, what do you consider 749 00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:26,280 Disney Vacation Club? Do you consider it deluxe? 750 00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:29,400 Is it deluxe adjacent? I don't even know that it falls 751 00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:32,880 into any of those categories now, and I hate saying this out 752 00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:37,800 loud, but I think all you can really refer to the rooms as is 753 00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:43,240 like a timeshare or a motel kind of room. 754 00:40:43,720 --> 00:40:46,880 I don't know that we can fully push it into that deluxe 755 00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:49,840 category anymore if this is the level. 756 00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:52,640 Of think motel words a little rough, although when I think of 757 00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:55,640 motel. Motel is equivalent to stop and 758 00:40:55,640 --> 00:40:57,960 rob. Yeah, Motel 8 or. 759 00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:00,800 Yeah, I'm just thinking of like Red Roof, when you prepare the 760 00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:03,280 amenities then like the ability to did. 761 00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:06,120 People under the bed a. Super nice motel. 762 00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:08,320 I don't. Know No, it's still a hotel. 763 00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:10,520 I see what you're saying though. I see what you're saying. 764 00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:14,000 And, and I've always struggled because people have said, well, 765 00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:18,120 I don't, you know, they called Riviera moderate adjacent for a 766 00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:22,080 long time because you can see the Caribbean beach and it 767 00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:23,760 doesn't feel like it's its own thing. 768 00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:29,080 And whatever my thing with the DVC room and I take the studios 769 00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:33,160 out of this for the purpose because people that are wanting 770 00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:37,000 those, the, the bigger villas are bigger families that want 771 00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:39,640 the kitchen. You're not going to get that at 772 00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:42,000 any other hotel. I don't care if it's on 773 00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:46,760 International Drive at Universal Kissimmee, you know, Erlo 774 00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:50,320 Bronson, people that are looking for that room, if they're not 775 00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:54,720 getting it at Disney, they're doing an Airbnb, you know what I 776 00:41:54,720 --> 00:41:55,040 mean? Cuz. 777 00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:56,560 They or renting another timeshare. 778 00:41:56,880 --> 00:41:59,160 Or renting another timeshare, They're going to Margaritaville. 779 00:41:59,160 --> 00:42:01,720 They're doing some of those things because they need the 780 00:42:01,720 --> 00:42:06,520 space, they want the kitchen. And when it comes to the 781 00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:11,560 studios, you can stay at a studio at Old Key West or a 782 00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:14,640 studio at Pop Century, and there's not a lot of daylight 783 00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:17,080 between the two. So I think you have to get to 784 00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:21,240 the one bedroom level to really dial in what DVC is. 785 00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:24,600 Well, and as much as you say that, though, at the same time, 786 00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:28,880 it runs into the problem of, you know, people shoving 5 people. 787 00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:31,520 One of the reasons maybe that, that, you know, we're having 788 00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:34,480 construction issues is because people are shoving 5 people into 789 00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:38,800 these studios. And you know, I, I, I, I hate to 790 00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:43,240 use the cruise ship, you know, example, but on the last day of 791 00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:46,800 being on a cruise ship, when you're, when you're it's depart 792 00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:50,080 demarcation as people leave their rooms, they prop them open 793 00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:56,200 with your stoppers and you walk by some of these rooms and you 794 00:42:56,200 --> 00:43:01,240 are just, I don't know if you just have need to give the 795 00:43:01,240 --> 00:43:06,160 disclaimer here, but like these, you own these properties. 796 00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:11,720 So if you want them to remain nice, you need to treat them 797 00:43:11,720 --> 00:43:15,160 nice while you're living there. No matter how many people you 798 00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:17,680 put in there, you. Can't look like a crime scene 799 00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:20,640 when you're leaving, no? And boy, I've see I've walked by 800 00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:22,360 some sketchy cruise cruise rooms. 801 00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:27,320 Oh my God, yeah. I'm like my my mouth dropped on 802 00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:29,160 the cruise ship when I looked into someone said, Oh my God, 803 00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:31,360 somebody has to clean that up. Oh my God. 804 00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:33,160 Yeah. And then they're mad when their 805 00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:36,560 room's not ready at 4:00. Yeah, 3 hours later, they're 806 00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:37,720 wondering why the room's not ready. 807 00:43:37,720 --> 00:43:40,280 You were going to say. Something you lost me. 808 00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:42,720 That was the cruise ship. Oh no. 809 00:43:42,720 --> 00:43:46,360 So you guys were talking about, you know, Disney being deluxe or 810 00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:48,960 not. I don't Disney gets away with 811 00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:53,800 the word deluxe when it comes to more location, I think than 812 00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:55,480 anything and theming to a degree. 813 00:43:55,840 --> 00:44:01,440 But you know, if you go and stay at a real luxury resort like 814 00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:04,880 like a Ritz Carlton or I don't know, I don't know what you 815 00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:08,240 consider luxury, But there there's definitely a difference 816 00:44:08,240 --> 00:44:13,520 in the quality of the actual room itself that unfortunately 817 00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:16,480 Disney doesn't have. Like the rooms are pretty the 818 00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:20,520 theme really well, but it's never going to be on the same 819 00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:23,360 level as like a real luxury resort. 820 00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:26,320 And that's because Disney can get away with that deluxe 821 00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:28,280 because you're on Disney property. 822 00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:32,440 So you're paying for that or you know, you're staying at the 823 00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:35,000 Grand Floridian and you have walkway to Magic Kingdom. 824 00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:38,280 So you're paying for that proximity for that location. 825 00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:41,200 And I think that they get, that's where they get, you know. 826 00:44:41,720 --> 00:44:43,960 Yeah, well, and it's. At this point, you look at 827 00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:47,040 Universal's deluxe hotels. I can't speak to Helios, I 828 00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:49,760 haven't stayed there, but we've stayed at Royal Pacific a lot, 829 00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:54,800 which is a deluxe hotel, but there's nothing to that room. 830 00:44:55,200 --> 00:44:57,040 It's a hotel than. What Porter rooms have. 831 00:44:57,640 --> 00:45:00,040 Or. Same with same with Helios. 832 00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:03,720 We were, we just, yeah, we just stayed at Helios last month. 833 00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:06,880 Earlier this month it was this. Oh, no, it was last month, June. 834 00:45:07,240 --> 00:45:10,160 I, I, I just noticed I've said earlier this month when I talked 835 00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:12,600 about a lot of things, it was a long, it's because in my head I 836 00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:14,080 was still in June, but it's July. 837 00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:16,040 Well. And Derek, maybe you can speak 838 00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:18,000 to this because you've been in this longer than the rest of us, 839 00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:21,960 but wasn't there a time, I seem to remember there was actually 4 840 00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:25,360 room categories, There was value, moderate, deluxe, and 841 00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:28,600 then they called the DVC rooms the home away from home. 842 00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:31,840 Deluxe villas they could book. Separately through the website. 843 00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:34,200 Oh yeah. Yeah, they're still listed like 844 00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:37,920 that it. Was it was its own category? 845 00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:41,120 Because it has, yeah. They're still listed like that. 846 00:45:41,120 --> 00:45:44,280 It's still listed value, moderate, deluxe and then deluxe 847 00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:46,520 villas. And they do place deluxe villas 848 00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:49,320 ahead of deluxe, and I think that's because of pricing. 849 00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:52,520 You know what? I mean, and I, I will to, you 850 00:45:52,520 --> 00:45:56,360 know, Jeff, like you said, I will put them there for the 1 851 00:45:56,360 --> 00:45:58,880 bedrooms and the two bedrooms and the three bedrooms. 852 00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:02,680 But more often than not, it's these deluxe studio properties 853 00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:05,440 where you start to, you know, run into issues again because 854 00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:08,920 you're, you're cramming 5 people in there or you just make silly 855 00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:11,560 design decisions. You know, we've been in, we've 856 00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:13,800 been in some of these properties where you open one drawer, you 857 00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:16,160 can't open the other. Yeah, you're snacking into. 858 00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:20,520 Disneyland Hotel, we set it We set it opening night and our you 859 00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:22,920 can go back and watch the live stream from opening night at 860 00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:26,960 Disneyland hotel and we said these mirrors you have to have 861 00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:31,400 them all the way slid over to then be able to open them for 862 00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:34,800 the wardrobe that's behind them. And if it's not all the way slid 863 00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:37,240 over, it's catching this thing and people are going to RIP 864 00:46:37,240 --> 00:46:39,440 these things off. And the first thing I did when 865 00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:42,040 we recently were at Disneyland is I messaged Jeff and I said, 866 00:46:42,040 --> 00:46:45,560 Hey, take a picture of take a picture of your, your closet for 867 00:46:45,560 --> 00:46:46,840 me. Mirrors are gone. 868 00:46:47,080 --> 00:46:52,200 They're gone like, and it's just how, you know, I think that's 869 00:46:52,200 --> 00:46:54,920 the, that's the big miss. And I don't want this to turn 870 00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:57,000 into like a negative of like the newer properties. 871 00:46:57,000 --> 00:46:59,560 I want to, I want to get us back on kind of this new versus old. 872 00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:02,840 But I think it's worth considering like, you know, 873 00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:06,800 you're buying this, you're spending a large investment on, 874 00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:09,480 on what you're buying. And so you want to make sure 875 00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:11,760 you're getting the value for your money. 876 00:47:12,440 --> 00:47:15,200 And so these are the, these are the considerations, the other 877 00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:18,560 things you need to think about. And if anything, I would just 878 00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:22,440 hope that when it comes to the deluxe studio property in some 879 00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:26,000 of these newer rooms, DVC just pays a bit more attention to the 880 00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:29,600 fact that, like, I agree, you're building these rooms for, you 881 00:47:29,600 --> 00:47:32,520 know, 2 to 3 guests. But I can promise you 9 times 882 00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:35,360 out of 10, there's five people in the room like they are. 883 00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:38,080 They are filling every crevice of this. 884 00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:41,960 And I think durability needs to be key, and that's with any 885 00:47:41,960 --> 00:47:46,560 hotel, any timeshare property. You know, we've got CVC rooms 886 00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:51,320 where the, you have to move the coffee table out of the way, 887 00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:52,880 obviously, to bring the Murphy bed down. 888 00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:55,880 But the coffee table's really not easy to move out of the way. 889 00:47:55,880 --> 00:47:57,920 You know, it's not on wheels. Yeah, where? 890 00:47:57,920 --> 00:48:00,200 I don't remember where. We just did a video not too long 891 00:48:00,200 --> 00:48:02,800 ago. And you can see the scratch 892 00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:06,560 marks all along the floor of where the, you know, families 893 00:48:06,560 --> 00:48:09,240 and guests have to push the coffee table out of the way. 894 00:48:09,240 --> 00:48:11,360 And that's not their fault. You know, I mean, that's a 895 00:48:11,400 --> 00:48:15,520 that's a poor design, poor durability if. 896 00:48:17,200 --> 00:48:20,600 You don't have convenient USB chargers at this point. 897 00:48:20,600 --> 00:48:22,480 You are not deluxe. Stop it. 898 00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:26,000 Well and USBC chargers at this point like. 899 00:48:26,360 --> 00:48:29,000 Please. I mean when the contemporary 900 00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:33,000 doesn't have a USB, forget USBC doesn't even have USB. 901 00:48:33,240 --> 00:48:35,160 How contemporary are we? Yeah. 902 00:48:35,720 --> 00:48:39,640 And pay, pay the extra money to to actually make this part of 903 00:48:39,720 --> 00:48:44,920 like the outlet, like the the the built in charging that's 904 00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:47,240 part of furniture that we've been doing for so long. 905 00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:49,280 It breaks a lot. It breaks. 906 00:48:49,320 --> 00:48:51,440 I've been, you know, we've been in some of these brand new 907 00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:55,200 properties. It was or were we was it we we 908 00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:58,640 were on I well, again, cruise ship a great example. 909 00:48:58,920 --> 00:49:01,720 But we were on icon of the Seas for the second time this summer 910 00:49:01,960 --> 00:49:04,800 and they have these built in chargers on the wall and one of 911 00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:08,320 the US BS was just jammed back, you know, all the way back into 912 00:49:08,320 --> 00:49:10,960 the wall and like you weren't using it like it just wasn't 913 00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:14,680 wasn't happening. So I mean you could it's easily 914 00:49:14,760 --> 00:49:19,120 it's easy to swap out an outlet these days and put USB or USBC 915 00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:23,320 into it. So it just it it just makes 916 00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:27,000 sense to I think do it. It it's just the easiest there. 917 00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:29,600 The one, the one resort, I will say that didn't have a charging 918 00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:32,720 problem when we were at the Grand Floridian Villas. 919 00:49:32,720 --> 00:49:35,320 We were in a one bedroom. OK, well, to be clear, they 920 00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:38,320 didn't have anything updated though there was no updated 921 00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:41,960 charging but there but there were 12 outlets in a row just. 922 00:49:42,120 --> 00:49:45,440 Behind the desk in the in the well, the main bedroom. 923 00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:48,080 Oh wow. All right next to him, you won't 924 00:49:48,080 --> 00:49:51,000 have a problem in that room. It's not the longest we've gone 925 00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:53,920 with Derek not speaking. I think he's. 926 00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:56,000 Shutting down. I think his batteries, his 927 00:49:56,000 --> 00:49:57,240 lights are going to go out pretty. 928 00:49:57,400 --> 00:49:58,680 Soon. It's so weird. 929 00:49:59,960 --> 00:50:02,840 I'm letting everybody. I'm letting everybody talk and 930 00:50:02,840 --> 00:50:05,960 waiting for my turn because I do want to address one thing, but 931 00:50:06,240 --> 00:50:08,200 whenever we're ready, just let me. 932 00:50:08,200 --> 00:50:09,600 Know we're ready. We're ready. 933 00:50:09,640 --> 00:50:11,760 We're ready because I'm going to move on to point charts and 934 00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:14,080 annual dues pretty soon and wrap us up so. 935 00:50:14,160 --> 00:50:16,320 Well then let me touch on this quickly. 936 00:50:16,320 --> 00:50:19,040 And again, I love everybody's points and hearing about it. 937 00:50:19,040 --> 00:50:22,480 It makes 100% sense. Of course, one thing I do want 938 00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:24,920 to touch on when I think comparing, for example, if I'm 939 00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:27,480 just going to pick out two of them, if I'm going to say Old 940 00:50:27,480 --> 00:50:31,200 Key West and then I'm going to say Polly Island Tower, I think 941 00:50:31,200 --> 00:50:34,480 a big difference. And again, I want to stress this 942 00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:37,080 has nothing to do with the actual cast members themselves. 943 00:50:37,080 --> 00:50:39,680 I think it literally is just with the tools that they're 944 00:50:39,680 --> 00:50:44,680 given is I think service and the check in experience. 945 00:50:45,200 --> 00:50:49,640 I think if you try to compare checking in to Old Key West with 946 00:50:49,640 --> 00:50:52,800 team members that have been there for a really long time and 947 00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:55,800 you get big giant welcome homes and people are ready to help you 948 00:50:55,800 --> 00:51:00,480 with your luggage verse Pauley Island Tower when you check in a 949 00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:03,040 if you're driving, you know, good luck trying to get through 950 00:51:03,040 --> 00:51:07,200 the, you know, robot guard stand that won't let anybody in and 951 00:51:07,200 --> 00:51:09,680 make sure everything works because there's not an actual 952 00:51:09,880 --> 00:51:13,440 human being there to let you check in through the gate to 953 00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:16,360 check in. Then you get in there and it's 954 00:51:16,360 --> 00:51:18,560 great cast members. Again, it's got nothing to do 955 00:51:18,560 --> 00:51:21,920 with these cast members, but I cannot figure out and I know we 956 00:51:21,920 --> 00:51:25,400 could probably do a whole other show and our awesome audience 957 00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:28,760 would love to jump in as well. How they decided that building 958 00:51:28,760 --> 00:51:33,800 this whole tower made no sense to have an actual front desk 959 00:51:34,440 --> 00:51:37,520 that they have no front desk. They've got super helpful cast 960 00:51:37,520 --> 00:51:41,440 members with iPads, but when it comes to, I need help with my 961 00:51:41,440 --> 00:51:44,520 luggage, when I need help with this, they're on the phone 962 00:51:44,520 --> 00:51:47,400 trying to call or they're texting back to the great 963 00:51:47,400 --> 00:51:50,240 ceremonial house. So I think the communication 964 00:51:50,240 --> 00:51:53,080 that they can open something to me, it's just, it's just 965 00:51:53,080 --> 00:51:54,800 stunning. And again, it's not the cast 966 00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:57,640 members themselves. They're they're doing their jobs 967 00:51:57,640 --> 00:52:01,120 as great as they possibly can, but it's effective. 968 00:52:01,120 --> 00:52:04,040 How do you open up a tower and right next to the Polynesian and 969 00:52:04,040 --> 00:52:07,800 you're charged these huge point prices because of the location 970 00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:10,720 that it's in or let alone if it's a cash rate, you're 971 00:52:10,720 --> 00:52:15,080 talking, you know, 78900 dollars a night for a studio and you've 972 00:52:15,080 --> 00:52:18,960 got no front desk so you have no one to help you. 973 00:52:18,960 --> 00:52:23,960 I've heard so many stories of people, even our dear Mary had a 974 00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:27,760 horrible experience when it came to just trying to get bell 975 00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:31,120 services coming from great ceremonial house to overhear 976 00:52:31,320 --> 00:52:33,040 first. I think that's something that I 977 00:52:33,040 --> 00:52:35,480 don't know if they just took into account and said, well, 978 00:52:35,480 --> 00:52:38,320 yeah, we'll just use the main original Poly check in and the 979 00:52:38,320 --> 00:52:40,800 main original Poly bell services tower. 980 00:52:41,280 --> 00:52:45,240 But no, there's no front desk. I mean, come on, you can't put 981 00:52:45,600 --> 00:52:48,000 all these people in a tower without a front desk. 982 00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:51,600 That you can just walk by and talk to an actual person is 983 00:52:51,840 --> 00:52:54,240 stunning to me. So hopefully they fixed that. 984 00:52:54,240 --> 00:52:58,080 I don't know how, but that is one thing I hear about a lot. 985 00:52:58,440 --> 00:53:00,760 Is what? I heard that was a that was an 986 00:53:00,760 --> 00:53:05,480 intentional decision by DV CS part to cut back on basically 987 00:53:05,480 --> 00:53:08,320 the labor and operational costs of of Eilent hour. 988 00:53:08,680 --> 00:53:09,560 So basically. Let me guess. 989 00:53:10,120 --> 00:53:12,360 Oh yeah, yeah. We listened to our guests and 990 00:53:12,360 --> 00:53:15,920 what they told us is we don't want a front desk, so we're not 991 00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:19,240 going to give them one. Well, and unfortunately, and I 992 00:53:19,240 --> 00:53:23,840 hate to be, you know, the curmudgeon, but they're not the 993 00:53:23,880 --> 00:53:26,560 only ones. There's a lot of hotels now that 994 00:53:26,560 --> 00:53:30,280 are going away. App usage, check in on the app. 995 00:53:30,800 --> 00:53:35,480 You know, I know that you hate it and that's 'cause you're old 996 00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:40,840 and you don't like technology, but we, I can't remember the 997 00:53:40,840 --> 00:53:44,280 name of the hotel that we stayed at in Times Square, but it was 998 00:53:44,280 --> 00:53:46,200 that way. They did have, I don't want to 999 00:53:46,200 --> 00:53:50,520 call it a front desk cause using the word desk is very lenient. 1000 00:53:50,520 --> 00:53:54,320 But they had a, a kiosk that if you had an issue, you could go 1001 00:53:54,320 --> 00:53:56,200 to, it was basically a guy with an iPad. 1002 00:53:56,200 --> 00:54:00,240 It was the same situation. But you know, AI and technology 1003 00:54:00,240 --> 00:54:03,520 and all these things are, are pushing these cast members and 1004 00:54:03,520 --> 00:54:07,560 these front desk people out of a job and into, you know, other 1005 00:54:07,560 --> 00:54:09,200 things because that's what people want. 1006 00:54:09,200 --> 00:54:10,240 They don't want to talk to people. 1007 00:54:11,320 --> 00:54:13,560 My, my kids tell me all the time, why are you calling me? 1008 00:54:13,680 --> 00:54:16,760 Could you have not texted this? You know, they don't want that 1009 00:54:16,760 --> 00:54:18,560 human interaction. The younger generation, the 1010 00:54:18,560 --> 00:54:20,120 millennials and below. They. 1011 00:54:21,080 --> 00:54:22,760 Want technology to do everything? 1012 00:54:23,640 --> 00:54:26,000 And I agree with it. I I agree with moving that 1013 00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:27,680 direction for a younger generation. 1014 00:54:27,680 --> 00:54:30,960 But when you when the majority of your DVC population's still 1015 00:54:30,960 --> 00:54:34,280 not that generation, then you have to offer both. 1016 00:54:34,600 --> 00:54:38,440 You don't have a choice and and to to tell give. 1017 00:54:39,040 --> 00:54:42,120 Me a break. And I mean to tell the the, the 1018 00:54:42,280 --> 00:54:46,840 older population that they have to walk to the grand ceremonial 1019 00:54:46,840 --> 00:54:50,360 house, that's not the answer. That's not the, that's not the 1020 00:54:50,360 --> 00:54:56,240 service that they're expecting. And and so yeah, it's it's 1021 00:54:56,240 --> 00:54:59,000 interesting to see what direction that goes in and you. 1022 00:54:59,720 --> 00:55:02,840 You can have no one saying like they're anti technology or 1023 00:55:02,840 --> 00:55:07,040 whatnot, but 14 year old Tommy isn't buying a 25,000 dollar 1024 00:55:07,040 --> 00:55:09,360 $30,000 Disney Vacation Club membership. 1025 00:55:09,680 --> 00:55:12,160 Guess what? Mom and dad are or grandma and 1026 00:55:12,160 --> 00:55:15,000 grandpa are and they're the ones and they're the ones that have 1027 00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:17,080 luggage. So if you're telling me that now 1028 00:55:17,080 --> 00:55:19,640 I'm going to have to what? Use my phone to text bell 1029 00:55:19,640 --> 00:55:22,560 services to have it come up? For God's sakes, just have a 1030 00:55:22,560 --> 00:55:23,720 actual person. There. 1031 00:55:25,200 --> 00:55:29,800 Disney prides itself on Disney prides itself on cast members 1032 00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:33,040 and customer service. The best stories that we still 1033 00:55:33,200 --> 00:55:36,880 will ever hear again. It goes back to say oaky W the 1034 00:55:36,880 --> 00:55:40,680 relationship that those members have with those cast members 1035 00:55:40,680 --> 00:55:43,840 that have been there for 10/20/25 years. 1036 00:55:43,840 --> 00:55:46,720 They are like family members. No one's saying God. 1037 00:55:46,720 --> 00:55:50,880 Do you remember that time I texted that some random AI think 1038 00:55:50,920 --> 00:55:53,560 that was such a great service. I really just up. 1039 00:55:54,520 --> 00:55:57,400 And to be clear, I wasn't, I wasn't agreeing with the 1040 00:55:57,400 --> 00:55:59,760 direction that it's going. I'm just saying, whether we like 1041 00:55:59,760 --> 00:56:02,720 it or not, I'm afraid that it it's happening. 1042 00:56:03,800 --> 00:56:06,080 I would. I see so many complaints. 1043 00:56:06,080 --> 00:56:08,520 I can't imagine that Dizzy's not rethinking it. 1044 00:56:08,520 --> 00:56:11,680 I mean, everybody's complaining that there's no front desk. 1045 00:56:11,680 --> 00:56:15,800 And the iPad people, he would think that they would realize. 1046 00:56:16,560 --> 00:56:19,400 Price and again, it's not the cast members like I'm not, I 1047 00:56:19,400 --> 00:56:23,040 want to stress that the cast members are phenomenal people, 1048 00:56:23,360 --> 00:56:26,040 but they have to work with the tools that they've been given. 1049 00:56:26,240 --> 00:56:29,800 And somebody laid out that toolbox and said, hey, you know 1050 00:56:29,800 --> 00:56:32,720 what, let's not to put in there. Let's not put in actual people 1051 00:56:32,720 --> 00:56:37,240 in an actual front desk or an actual bell services for what is 1052 00:56:37,240 --> 00:56:41,040 probably one of the most anticipated DVC resort openings 1053 00:56:41,040 --> 00:56:44,040 in a long, long time. It's just weird to me. 1054 00:56:44,960 --> 00:56:45,720 Weird. Yeah. 1055 00:56:46,800 --> 00:56:48,320 All right, I'm done. Thanks. 1056 00:56:49,600 --> 00:56:51,560 At this point, I'm not quite sure what to call this show. 1057 00:56:52,760 --> 00:56:56,800 It was we we kind of went comparing new versus old. 1058 00:56:57,120 --> 00:57:01,120 And I think basically your take away should be they don't build 1059 00:57:01,120 --> 00:57:03,960 them like they used to and they don't put the amenities like 1060 00:57:03,960 --> 00:57:08,440 they used to. But I don't want to fully disk 1061 00:57:08,440 --> 00:57:11,160 the newer properties because it is the the product that we have 1062 00:57:11,160 --> 00:57:13,560 today. And you know, to Pandas point, 1063 00:57:13,560 --> 00:57:17,320 Riviera is absolutely beautiful. I think that the big things that 1064 00:57:17,320 --> 00:57:22,120 we've hinted at is that you need to buy where you want to stay. 1065 00:57:22,200 --> 00:57:24,800 We've said that for years. We always have, we always will 1066 00:57:25,720 --> 00:57:29,920 and we always say try before you buy as well, because you need to 1067 00:57:29,920 --> 00:57:32,640 do the research and get an idea of what you're looking into. 1068 00:57:32,640 --> 00:57:36,240 And you need to understand also depending on what you're buying, 1069 00:57:36,400 --> 00:57:39,000 what those restrictions are. Because granted, if you're 1070 00:57:39,000 --> 00:57:41,520 buying a, if you're buying a direct membership and you're 1071 00:57:41,520 --> 00:57:47,120 buying, you get the, the, the full package, then you're going 1072 00:57:47,120 --> 00:57:50,640 to be able to use your points at any of these resorts, which is a 1073 00:57:50,640 --> 00:57:53,800 great benefit to have. You also need to keep in mind 1074 00:57:53,800 --> 00:57:56,280 that some of these older resorts are going to go offline at some 1075 00:57:56,280 --> 00:57:58,240 point and you are going to be stuck with some of the newer 1076 00:57:58,240 --> 00:58:01,080 properties. Same needs to be said if you're 1077 00:58:01,080 --> 00:58:03,640 looking at, you know, buying some of these properties, these 1078 00:58:03,640 --> 00:58:06,720 newer properties via resale, you need to consider the fact that 1079 00:58:06,720 --> 00:58:08,040 this is where you're going to stay. 1080 00:58:08,440 --> 00:58:10,680 I think that's, you know, one of our biggest complaints about 1081 00:58:10,680 --> 00:58:14,840 resale restrictions is the fact that, you know, you'll look at 1082 00:58:15,360 --> 00:58:18,480 how well does a Disneyland hotel age over time. 1083 00:58:18,720 --> 00:58:21,840 And if you're buying resale at Disneyland Hotel, you can only 1084 00:58:21,840 --> 00:58:25,280 stay at Disneyland Hotel. That is the only property truly 1085 00:58:25,280 --> 00:58:28,120 that I think that really effects in my opinion these days more 1086 00:58:28,120 --> 00:58:30,320 than anything. I don't, I wouldn't argue that 1087 00:58:30,320 --> 00:58:33,200 for Riviera because as we said on the show, Riviera was a 1088 00:58:33,200 --> 00:58:37,040 different kind of construction. It's a beautiful resort and I 1089 00:58:37,040 --> 00:58:39,560 think it will hold up well over the test of time. 1090 00:58:39,720 --> 00:58:45,600 So I think that I hope that the construction quality of like a 1091 00:58:45,600 --> 00:58:49,080 Lakeshore lodge improves. I hope that we see it, you know, 1092 00:58:49,440 --> 00:58:52,920 built in a way that not only is beautiful, but also holds up to 1093 00:58:52,920 --> 00:58:56,320 the wear and tear that people are putting on these rooms and 1094 00:58:56,320 --> 00:58:58,880 resorts. But love to get your thoughts. 1095 00:58:58,880 --> 00:59:01,880 As always, we love to hear comments and feedback. 1096 00:59:02,160 --> 00:59:05,160 Let us know, I guess, what to call this show. 1097 00:59:05,680 --> 00:59:08,880 But I'm not sure what I named it at this point if I called it new 1098 00:59:08,880 --> 00:59:12,040 versus old. We gave the new resorts their 1099 00:59:12,040 --> 00:59:15,800 credit with dining and with public spaces and with pools. 1100 00:59:15,800 --> 00:59:19,560 And it wasn't all hate. No. 1101 00:59:19,840 --> 00:59:22,840 And and and whatever you name this show, Paul, just name it 1102 00:59:22,840 --> 00:59:24,880 Part 1, because then we'll have a Part 2. 1103 00:59:26,680 --> 00:59:31,560 Got too many of those to film? Well, that's going to do it for 1104 00:59:31,560 --> 00:59:33,200 this week's episode of the DVC Show. 1105 00:59:33,200 --> 00:59:35,440 Folks, Like, subscribe, do all the things. 1106 00:59:35,440 --> 00:59:39,040 If you love our ramblings, head to patreon.com/DVC fan for some 1107 00:59:39,040 --> 00:59:41,680 behind the scene content and some fun stuff. 1108 00:59:41,680 --> 00:59:45,040 And as always, we will see you next Monday.