I'd like to chalk this opening up as random things you find
after DVC Fan Summerfest in your room.
On today's display, we have this lovely cowboy hat someone might
be missing. I know that hat.
Could you explain it a little bit more, 'cause I don't think
we got the explanation for why you have a Miller High life?
Cowboy hat because I've, I've, I've had it now, I think going
on 76 years. So I bought it a long, long time
ago. At the same time, you bought
this bag as well because it looks about 76 years old also.
Yeah, that's a grocery bag from Asheville.
And there's some gum that just fell out of the bag.
I know why he needs the hat. I didn't until this started.
You guys didn't see it. Can you come forward again,
Derek, so we can see the forehead?
That's why he needs that. No, no.
Why? Didn't make fun of it.
It just took up the whole Oh my God.
That's why we need that. It's a beautiful forehead.
If I do say I. Got the hat a long, long time
ago. I thought it was really cool.
Plus that used to be my favorite beer was Miller High Life, the
champagne of beer. So I found a place that made
cowboy hats out of old cases of beer and it was a slam dunk.
And now it's a family heirloom that'll pass on to my kids and
their kids and their kids so. I'm glad, I glad I took it from
the cabin and I really hope Miller's listening to this
because we're still looking for a nice sponsor to this show, so.
It'll go great with the Mexican pizza from.
Dead to us? Who is it?
Red Baron hates us. We've moved on to Totino's.
Hey everybody, and welcome to this week's episode of The DVC
Show. I am Your host Paul Krieger
joined as always. You never you don't know what to
do during those openings, do you?
I. Don't.
I'm just. Along for the ride.
Yeah, pretty much Amy Krieger. Ladies and gentlemen, we've got
Josh Kerry, Big Fat Panda with us.
Welcome home everyone. Senior sales associate for
Miller High Life Derek de Boer. Hey now, happy Monday everybody,
and go nose. The Honorable Jeff Haslam.
Hey everybody, I just thought I was laughing.
Sorry because every so often I can't tell if it's Emerson
behind you or Cinders, but. His head just keeps popping up
over the couch. And then back down again.
It was Emerson. Yeah, definitely.
Emerson, for those of you that miss the dogs from our from our
previous setup, there are three beds on each side of us.
And they do, they do still make their way in and out of the
camera. Well, hey, happy Monday,
everyone. Welcome.
This week's episode of the DVC show Panda.
Welcome back. Welcome.
I was. I'm a real life boy again.
Yeah, we've made-up about 10 different ways that, you know,
you disappeared from this show and people don't believe any of
them. I I feel like you should just
make up another one as to like where you disappeared for the
the past month. I I was at a DVC hotel when I
was just staying there. I don't know that.
Would that would I do? I get that I get to do that
tomorrow though, so I'm pretty excited.
Yeah, you're staying at Bay Lake.
Bay Lake for one night and then the Poly tower which I literally
haven't seen yet. I can't wait.
Oh. That's.
Awesome. 2 bedroom in each one, Yeah.
Oh, that'll be really. You'll have to report back.
Is that? Is that your points for that?
For the Polly Tower? Yes, my friend Donna Marie for
the Contemporary. Nice.
Are we just? Yeah, I'm.
Excited to hear. Your thoughts Share and share
alike. Halloween party in 100°.
Yeah. What are you going as?
Myself. I don't do the costume.
I mean, when I go with you guys, I become a a Ewok or something
like that, yeah. I thought as a fashion model
with perfect teeth, after two months of getting them fixed,
those teeth are Immaculate. Look at them.
And now the Immaculate beard, thanks to hammer and Nails.
Oh boy. Oh, I can't even grow a beard.
Well, this week we are. Talking.
We are talking all things Disney and BBC News this week.
There have been a couple big things that have happened since
the last time we all got together and kind of chatted the
news as well as some things that are coming up in the Disney and
DVC space. So we thought why not come
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It's getting longer every time. I try to, I try to speed it up,
I try to do the best I can. Now I've lost all sense of like
where things are and what screens I got Magic.
Worked for our very own Mary. She got a discount off some
Christmas party tickets. She was very happy with it.
Oh, Mary, Mary that you're going to a Christmas party with,
correct? So excited.
Yeah, I really am. I mean, I'm excited for the
Christmas party, but I'm doubly excited to just see Mary's face
in it. Yeah.
I cannot wait.
Derek. Derek looks sad and disappointed
he wasn't invited. She would love if he came.
You know that she would love. It you guys are besties since
you went to go see Wicked together, now you're in
separate. And we will see Wicked for Good
Part 2 for sure. That'll be awesome.
Well, I think best place to kick off this week's kind of DVC and
Disney news is the most recent thing that happened really in
the Disney Vacation Club space, which is something that I don't
think any of us had on our radar for 2025.
Riviera Resort had its first contract, Roeford, so basically
bought back by Disney. If anyone is unfamiliar watching
this show for the first time, Roefer or write a first refusal
is the act in which if you say I'm going to sell my Disney
Vacation Club contract, you find a buyer, that buyer agrees to
buy that contract. Disney does have the first
option to essentially choose to buy that contract back
themselves for that same contracted price.
And in the instance of this Riviera contract, it was quite a
no brainer as to why they did so because it was dirt cheap, $89
per point for a 400 point Riviera contract selling on the
resale market. I like to give a disclaimer when
we talk about this contract, you know, obviously there are
probably reasons that it was priced so low.
Typically, you know, sellers in that situation have to kind of
sell quickly for for one reason or another.
And so you know, it is it was definitely priced to sell.
It did sell. And then Disney said, yes, Sir,
we will take that contract for that price.
And yeah, I just first thoughts on on the Riviera roofer.
I feel like so we used to have this list before of resorts.
They were a safe bet they would not ever get, you know, Roefer
from Disney and those were things like Faro Beach and
Aulani and you know, Grand Cow and Riviera.
But I feel like anymore, you know, if the price is right, if
the conditions are right, they'll they'll take anything.
So keep that in mind. Panda is a Riviera owner, are
you? Are you happy to hear that the
roofer monster ETA Riviera contractor?
I'm sad for the buyer, but happy because it just made the Riviera
feel more important to me. It is getting close to selling
out right? We are getting closer.
I would say what we are inside probably 12 months in which you
know at some point Disney, they technically could do it at any
time claim that Riviera is at its sell out point or it's kind
of on its last sale selling out soon.
We're in that final probably 20% or so of points that they have
themselves based off of the current, you know trends that
we're seeing and also the timeline for things that are
coming down the Pike. 2027 Lakeshore Lodge comes online,
you know, it's, I think they're anticipating it at least being
sold out before then. So I would imagine you know mid
next year or third quarter of 2026 for sure.
I would have been disappointed if they didn't take that
contract. Yeah, if it if it got by that,
yeah. Yeah.
And in that, in that final sales push of it, you can count on it
like death and like taxes. They're going to raise the price
again. So they will say we're going to
raise the price effective On this date.
So this is your last time because the price is going up 5
bucks a point. It's going up 10 bucks a point.
So they're getting people in the door, they're getting members to
add on, they're getting new people to join before the price
goes up. That's what they do with every
single resort before it officially sells out is the last
minute. Get your points while you can
because the price is going. Do you think that the getting
close to selling out helps them? Like do you think we're going to
see more even if the price isn't great, that they're going to get
more Riviera just to extend the sales period?
No, that's not a thing. Okay.
I don't, I just think that this one was just so blatantly,
ridiculously, cartoonishly low that they they had to take it.
Because if they didn't take it, it really, it really would make
you question what are they doing in that roofer room?
Like, how could they possibly let you know an 80 some dollar
point Riviera? Because again, the important
point to know is that again, Disney doesn't have bottomless
buckets of money. And we've talked about this when
it comes to roofer, they're given a budget every year and
they're giving it. OK, you've got this much to
spend. How you spend it throughout the
whole year is up to you. So they're going to look, well,
how can we spend it? Turn around, flip it and make
the most possible. So, you know, I think Paul
covered it in his blog too, which is perfect.
It's like, OK, if I got to spend 80, whatever we're selling
Riviera at 2:35, I could flip it and it's a 400 point contract.
So I could break it up if I want.
And do you know 4 or 100 pointers if needed.
So for them that you know, return on investment, you know
for them for that contract like that, I don't see them doing it
because normally RIB sells them that you know, 120 1:10, 1/21/25
range. So I don't see them snatching up
Riviera. No, not at all.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 89 books. I would have executed my right
to 1st year. I would like that please.
I mentioned in the article to Derricks point, you know,
potential profit on this contract alone, a low estimate
if they were to just resell it at that 400 point as just a
single 400 point contract, they stand to make around $47,000.
And like Derek said, if you piece this thing out, it's like
50 point contracts or even you know, a couple 150 point
contracts and 100 point contract, you're you could
probably make upwards of $50,000 just from this single
transaction that they elected to buy back.
So it is, it's like when you play the stock market and you
know that the like that this thing's just going to fly off
the charts, you know, buy, buy now.
Yes, yes, because tomorrow you're going to you're going to
quadruple your money and and that and that purchase, Jeff.
Thoughts. Real, real question.
Oh, I'm sorry, Jeff, just let me ask Derek a real question.
If a, a seller comes to you with that sale, do you automatically
like advise them, hey, you're not going to or the buyer,
you're not going to get this? Like, do you advise them that
that something like that's not going to fly?
Like Disney's probably going to take it?
Yeah. I mean, no, I mean, in a case
like that, I don't know the buyer's situation, so I'm not
sure maybe if it was part of our instant sale program or if maybe
it was, you know, sold to a buyer.
I think like Amy said, it's always, it's so rare that we
always tell people, you know, listen, you're going to be fine.
Disney doesn't buy back Live inventory, as always.
You know the motto, you know, they don't buy back money, they
don't buy back Riviera. So the odds of you getting this
contract, no matter of the price would be really, really strong.
In that case though I think like I said, it's just a one off.
Like I don't see Riviera plus it's huge, right?
So I mean, a normal, you know, the bigger the contract, the
less it's going to be anyway per point to a body.
So the bigger the ones are always going to be less per
point. So this one just stood out as
just so almost, you know, flagrant, like they had to do
something on it. If it's depends, you know, right
now roofers, you know, active, very specific resorts.
You know, I think I don't have it in front of me.
I think at the top of my head, I was talking to someone today
that was buying a Copper Creek and then they were worried like,
oh God, are they going to buy Copper Creek?
Because I know roofers been active lately and I'm always
like, you got to look at the stats.
I mean, that's why Paul does such a great job of, you know,
having those each and every month because when she looks,
she goes, oh, so they bought back literally less than 1% of
all Copper Creek contracts for this year.
So they bought back one contract.
So I said odds are statistically you'd probably, you know, won't
lose much sleep knowing that less than 1% verse like a old
Key West person. You know, they're buying back
around like 1213% of old Key West contracts.
So again, it's just very specific this year.
So yeah, I mean, I'm not afraid to tell people and say, listen,
you got to go for it. If it's a great deal, no matter
what, you're not going to be out any money, right?
Because at the end of the day, you know, you're either getting
that contract or Disney's going to get it.
If you if Disney buys it back, you don't lose your escrow.
So buyers are all the time say buyers all the time say, you
know what, I have to go for it. Even when I've told people this
year the hey, your Grand Floridian contract bought back.
They're like, yeah, I totally get it.
But Derek, I I had to take a stab at it.
I got I got nothing to lose by by trying to get one because
they can't write back everything they can't buy back at.
Everything and this blog along with our our monthly reports are
up on the DVC Resale Market website.
So if you do want to deep dive into this information a bit
further, head to the DVC Resale Market website.
We'll put a link to the specific Riviera instance in the comments
here. But there's, I feel like I, I
every month write these reports and I have to find something to
write about. It is something like Derek said,
that many buyers and sellers are interested in what kind of
market movement is happening. But at the same time, when we
look at the overall percentage of things we're still talking
about, I think less than 3% or 3 to 4% of all contracts have been
bought back this year that have been sold by the DVC resale
market. And that is the only metric that
we do track. We, we track DVC resale market
sales And we imagine that, you know, that, that kind of
represents the whole or the average of the entire resale
market. But that is such a small
percentage overall. And I think people I, I, I don't
want to over hype this. I want to hype down this
conversation if anything, because thank you, Derek.
Like you said, you know, it is something where there are so few
of these that buyers still are not in a position in which this
needs to be part of that conversation like it once was.
When when you compare July of 2025 to July of like 2022 or
2023, we're talking it was our biggest Roefer month that we've
seen in the past year, yes, of around 25 or so contracts,
whereas 2-3 years ago that month alone had 120 to 130 contracts
bought back. So we're talking like that's
that's the two variables that we're talking.
So if we would see Disney push into 5075 a hundred contracts a
month, then I think we have much more of a story to talk about
and it should be then maybe a consideration from buying
perspective. But right now it is, there are
good deals and I think what we've hoped Roefer would always
be is. Keeping the bottom from falling
out. Exactly, Yeah.
Again, 96% of contracts find a new happy home with an owner,
96% are welcome with open arms and beautiful families all over
the whole entire world. And there's 4% this year that
were bought back. But you know what I'd like to
know because I guarantee because I know some of them of those 4%
bought back, they simply went, tried again, moved over their
escrow and they got, they're listening good 96%.
Still a win. Win.
Yeah. Well, don't fall for, you know,
some of the tab line, you know, tabloid stuff.
You know, Roefer monster unleashed bloody car for the
street timeshare. Like, come on, yes.
Is it weird they bought back one dirt cheap Riviera contract?
Sure, it's weird what 96% made it through where Paul was
talking even a couple of years ago.
Dude there's people. Bay Lake tower was like at 30.
Almost 40% of every Bay lake. Tower like a coin flip almost.
Ridiculous. Ridiculous.
So yeah, everybody calm down. Just really quick you guys have
covered I don't need to add anything to this, but I just
wanted to comment and something that's adjacent to this as I saw
cuz I'm deep into the DVC resale market app now cuz I've got my
eye on some contracts. I'm texting Derek a little bit.
Did you guys see the another cabins at Fort Wilderness came
through? No, and it was right after
Summerfest and it went faster than anyone that I've been
watching in the last week. Like it was listed on the 12th
and it's already under contract. Like, I just thought that was
interesting that I'm going to say that's our fault because we
had such a great time at Summerfest this year that
somebody. Wanted.
That contract. In a big way, so.
Someone watched all of our, all of our.
They've not seen all of our content yet.
We still got the behind. The scenes like maybe if I buy
this I will see the honorable Jeff Haslam zooming around in a
golf cart at the Fort Wilderness with his dogs.
So I, I want to take this now one step further in this
conversation, really kind of just go very blue sky.
I did this in the article that I wrote related to this Riviera
resale. But I want to think down the
road a little bit. We've mentioned Riviera,
Riviera's the first restricted property that Disney has put
some stronger resale restrictions on.
What that means is that if you buy a Riviera contract via the
resale market, you can only use those points at Riviera.
So that is going to be the case for Riviera.
We know it's going to be the case for Disneyland Hotel and we
know it's going to be the case for the cabins at Fort
Wilderness, which Jeff just spoke to.
So for that person that bought that one cabins contract, that
makes sense to me because it's a steal compared to the direct
price. And the cabins people are, are
loyal to the cabins, you know, the, the Fort Wilderness
campgrounds, they have always been loyal to that.
I think most were kind of upset when it was announced that this
was switching over to DVC. But if they can get their
historic camp campsite that they've had or their historic
cabin that they've had for the past 30 years for their
Halloween vacation or for their Christmas week vacation, then
they're going to definitely try to scoop that set up for, you
know, maybe half the price as compared to what they were
paying direct when they were booking it via cash.
So it it's very lucrative to that point.
My question is, does Disney strategy change when it comes to
some of these restricted resorts?
Does Disney strategy almost go away from what we've
historically called the sold out perspective and start?
Maybe never claiming fully that a resort is sold out, but having
these limited time offers like we've seen with Animal Kingdom
Lodge, like we've seen with Old Key West or Saratoga on
occasion, but doing it more frequently with a property like
Riviera. It really just depends on where
the resale value goes. But I could see maybe another
different angle that they could take because of these
restrictions that they've put in place.
Does that make sense? Yeah.
You know, I just, I, I have to wonder the longevity of, of this
philosophy of theirs because as we all know, 2042 is a big year
in Disney Vacation Club. That's when six of the resorts
expire at some point. And I don't know when that
pendulum is going to swing the other way, but if they keep
restricting new properties at some point in the future, we're
going to be at a point where they're all going to be
restricted and you can only use your resale points at one DVC
resort ever, you know what I mean?
So I mean, yeah, we're 30-40 years away from that, and maybe
they have a solution down the road.
I don't think anybody's thought that far ahead yet.
But at some point they're going to have to fix the problem
they've created. And I don't know if this is a
step in that direction or not. Yeah, I feel like I always think
about this and I, I just don't think, I think we just aren't
going to know what things are going to be like.
And you know what, 8, we got 18 years till 17.
Yeah, but but you're right. So let's say that you bought
Copper Creek on the resale market, so you can use it at all
15 resorts, but then 2042 rolls around and you do you're losing
5. I would say OQS probably not,
but you're losing five of those resorts.
So it is going to start getting more and more restrictive, which
does kind of devalue the product in general because you need a
vibrant resale market. You know, for for the direct to
have that value, you still need a vibrant resale market.
You still need to know that if I buy this contract and something
happens in in within a year and I got to sell it or whatever,
that I'm not trying to pay someone to take it away from me.
You know what I mean? Like that's what gives it the
value of being different from other timeshares.
So yeah, I don't know. I think we'll see, think we'll
see changes when we get closer to those resorts expiring.
It all reflects just changes in the thought process from Disney
Vacation Club leadership to the direction that that, you know
those people at the top of the organization have.
I think if you would really look back in time, you could probably
trace some of the roofer differences back to when Bill
Dirksen took over as, as the person in charge of Disney
Vacation Club. You know, the the same can be
said for any company when like leadership changes that mindset
of, you know, how, how, how are we going to drive these revenue
streams change. And so I don't think that
leadership is in place right now that's going to be making those
decisions. No, you're right, They might not
even, you know they. Might not even be out of
college. Yeah, not yeah, we.
Just don't know but. And I was not to chime in and
say the same thing because I, I keep asking in the old Key West
condo meetings about the 20422057 problem.
I'm not going to mention names because I don't want to get that
person in trouble. But I was told by one of the
executives that said, you know, we've talked about this a lot,
but we look around the room and say, well, who's going to be
here when this problem has to be fixed?
And it's nobody sitting at the table.
So I don't think they're really thinking down.
They're they're that. They're pushing that boulder
down the hill. Yeah.
And I mean that that's, that's the comedy of, you know, all of
us in this kind of sphere of Disney Vacation Club, we all
have these questions and we all have thought about this, you
know, 20 ways from Sunday as to how we would do it 20 years from
now. But in corporate America, it's
really all about shareholders. It's really all about this year.
How do we hit this year's numbers?
This is our budget this year. So what do we do this year to do
this? And maybe there's a five year
plan. And yes, there's probably a 10
year plan. But yeah, very, I would, I would
find it hard to believe that anyone has that 17 year plan
looking out at 2042. Yes, they've probably talked
about it, but at the end of the day, they're just kind of like
it'll be someone else's problem down the road.
Well, moving away from our conversation, but also staying
kind of with numbers with Disney, I did want to quickly
highlight and have a little bit of a discussion about the Q32025
earnings report for the Walt Disney Company.
That had a couple cool takeaways.
For those of you that never followed this.
Essentially, it's a quarterly earnings report for the entire
Walt Disney Company. So that includes parks and
resorts, but also their media and entertainment divisions,
which includes Disney Plus, ESPN, their movies and
everything. Total segment income.
So income for Disney experiences, which includes
parks and experiences. They're they, they reported 2.5
billion in operating income for quarter three, up $294,000,000
year over year. Domestic parks, so here in the
US saw growth of 22%, reaching 1.7 billion in operating income.
Long story short, it was a very, very good quarter for the Walt
Disney Company, Walt Disney World and Disneyland specific.
What's interesting, two different points and then I want
to get your thoughts. One, this is the same quarter in
which Epic Universe opened, very interesting to see Disney do so
well in that period. But also the big number for me
that was the largest take away from from this earnings call.
Attendance year over year flat, no gross.
You're charging more. Per capita guests, yeah, up 8%,
of course. Yeah, they're doing more with
less. That's crazy and it's working.
But everything. But we.
Feel it. Yeah, it's everything though.
It's, it's a bottle of water in the parks.
It's, you know, it's your chicken tenders or you know your
spirit Jersey, like everything is, has gone up. $0.50 to use
the restroom. Yeah, it's all.
I don't know. It's coming, it's coming.
Are we? I think we, I think my big take
away from this is I, I think we all in a way, because we miss
the nostalgia and we miss, we've talked over and over again about
we miss Magic Express, we miss that, we miss this, we miss free
fast passes. So we want them to fail so that
we can get some of that back and say, ha, ha, we told you so
people stopped coming because you took away too much.
It's clearly not going our way. And it's hard to blame them for
a winning strategy. You know what I mean?
Like I, I, I don't want it, I don't like it, but it is
working. People are spending more now.
I do think it'll be interesting to see if this, you know, flat
line continues because typically we see an increase in in park
attendance year over year. If we're remaining flat from
this time last year, are we starting to see that scale tip,
even though they've made more money?
Are people going to start withholding as the economy gets
questionable in some of those kinds of things?
And are they going to have to back off of some of these in the
future or are they just going to raise prices more to keep the
costs and the operational income the same?
That's, that's my big take away. I don't know, you know, we don't
have a crystal ball. I still don't think they've felt
the full brunt of of maybe what's coming yet, but we'll
see. Yeah.
I think you, you look at these numbers, they're going to have
to really see a sharp attendance tank for them to actually move
away from this strategy at this point.
And it's, you know, per capita guest spending up 8%.
So you're looking at maybe an attendance tank that would have
to be greater than 10%, which would just be unheard of like
which I think everyone would basically kind of very quickly,
you know, push the stop button and go, what's wrong?
Well, one of the biggest complaints at Disney for guests
are crowds. So you know, yeah, it the part
where we have to spend more, that part sucks.
But at the same time, is that managing the crowd levels?
Is that making it more, you know, a reasonable wait times?
And from everything that we're hearing, we recently had
friends, Mandy and Josh were down here with their girls
having a Disney vacation. Jeff, you've had some people
that have been here beat recently in the parks.
The parks are very reasonable for the summer.
This year it was a very mild, I would call it a milder summer
for the Disney World parks. Yeah, it definitely has been
lighter. Even people that left our
Patreon thing at Summerfest and went into Magic Kingdom that
same day were reporting really, really low crowds, which I think
that's a better experience overall.
And and maybe all the things that we've been harping against
are the answer, like I was saying before, but there's also
some very interesting deals as far as hotel rooms, Disney Plus
offerings that we'd never seen before, dining plan for three
and unders kind of been back, you know what I mean?
Yeah, there's I saw that one. Yep.
Yeah, that surprised me. So.
It just makes me think like what Jeff said, that they're getting
a little. Worried maybe there's a lot of
behind the scenes that are trying to, you know, cover the
spread maybe a little bit. And that's why I'm, I'm
wondering if we've seen the full impact of this.
This has been a great quarter. I think a lot of, I think Disney
World has been benefiting from Epic Universe opening rather
than hurting from it. People are adding on, doing
multiple vacations, you know, some of those kinds of things
come January, February next year.
I'm really interested to see how that quarter behaves.
So, so Panda, you were just holding up the new, it was a new
annual pass offer that if you purchased a Disney annual pass,
not renewing, right, It had to be a new pass.
Then you got $100 Disney gift card.
Yeah. So remember we were talking
about that. How we think that maybe, you
know, is it and this is just speculation, but we're hoping to
hear from Universal on Epic Universe becoming an annual pass
option. And that is something that we
plan to to probably jump on right away.
You know, we live in like 26 minutes away and just love the
park obviously, but wondering if Disney's trying to grab, you
know, if you're, if you're thinking about buying annual
pass, a lot of people sometimes will only do one or the other.
It is expensive to have both annual pass at Universal and at
Disney. As a matter of fact, we actually
had let our Universal annual pass lapse and we weren't going
to renew it for a long time. But then in order to get into
the epic previews, we had to have one.
So, so I get it like only holding one at a time.
So maybe Disney's trying to grab those people to get passes at
Disney before Epic announces anything, so that you know
you've already spent kind of your annual pass allotment funds
for the year. Yeah, and it's coming too,
because I just saw a news article the other day and I was
talking to a friend of mine that works at Universal that, you
know, they get a certain number of free tickets as an employee
that they've been blocked out of Epic.
That's they're no longer blocked out.
They have, they can use one a month or two a month.
I can't remember the numbers, but you know, so you're going to
see the annual pass announcement, I would say before
Halloween Horror Nights Ends would be my guess, but we'll
see. It would be, yeah.
I mean, the, the quicker they put it out, the the more money
they're going to grab from people because I think a lot of
people like us have been kind of just sitting that money aside.
But I mean, like you said, Amy, we had that, we, we discussed
exactly that scenario where it's like these people that maybe
were balking on a, on a Disney World pass, see, there's $100
off offer. And they're like, oh, well, I
could get that today. And you know, who knows if
Universal is going to announce this, maybe they'll all of 2026,
they'll, they'll never announce Epic as part of annual pass.
We just don't know. So it'd be interesting to see if
that was maybe just part of the reason that they kind of did
this. But All in all, a great quarter.
Derek, any comments on the, on the earnings?
The Mouse is making a lot of money.
Yeah, no. And I mean, I think Jeff summed
it up perfectly when he said all people do and we all do.
It is whenever they announce, hey, here's Mickey's not so
scary tickets and there's a price increase.
Here's the not so whatever Christmas party tickets.
And here's the here's the Jollywood ticket.
It always comes with a Oh my God, it's so much more money
than it was. I can't believe they raised the
prices so much. Walt would be rolling over in
his grave. Next thing you know, you go
online, you look every day, it's sold out.
So until people stop buying them, until you stop doing all
of this, they're going to keep raising the prices.
So that will never change because just like Jeff said,
what? Why would they?
Why, why people are gobbling up the overpriced holiday party
tickets in record time. Dates are sold out.
I think the Halloween stuff sold out through like 2029.
I mean, it's already like incredibly, incredibly popular.
And again, it's more money. But until people stop buying
them, until you can go online to look to say, hey look, there's
still tickets available for the Halloween party 2 days from now,
they're they're not going to change because they have no
reason, no reason to change. What Derek just said just
brought something up just in my head.
I was at the movie theater the other day and a dad with like 3
kids was complaining that after the candy in the movies the
whole day cost them like $200 literally for a movie.
And that made me think as much as these tickets cost, that was
two hours. Disney, you're getting a whole
day. The value is still there, I
think, for these families, and that's why we're buying these
these crazy tickets. I've seen, I've seen people use
similar comparisons in, in the DVC fan group saying, you know,
a concert ticket to a lot of concert tickets are very, very
expensive anymore. And then you take, you know, the
per hour entertainment and divide that up and and Disney
does hold its value when you look at it like that, you know,
you get a whole day for for the cost.
I think it's always good to take a step back to and we've, we've
been critical of kind of Disney leadership in the past.
I think, you know, anyone that has been on this show knows
that, you know, Bob Japek, he, you know, he was a penny
pincher. But at the same time, when we
look at parks and resorts, you know, Josh Demaro has been in
charge of parks and resorts now for basically this entire
evolution. Him and Bob Iger, you know, work
hand in hand to set some of these numbers.
So, you know, that is kind of the direction that those people
are headed in with these price increases.
You know, Josh, tomorrow is up to become the next CEO
potentially of the Walt Disney Company.
So you could probably expect more of that in the future if
that's what we see. I think we should get an answer
to that question within the next six months or so.
So that should be coming very soon in terms of who that
successor is going to be. And it'll be just be interesting
to kind of see whether or not Disney double s down on that
parks business or double s down on kind of the the media wing
and Disney Plus and everything. I think that that selection is
going to really just tell that story as to where they see the
future of this company moving. And I, and I mean, I could just
throw in my own personal take on it, is that I will always get an
annual pass for Disney. Always.
I will never buy an annual pass for Universal.
I just won't. It's just not my jam.
It's not my thing. I don't feel the sense of, I
don't feel the sense of this is so magical.
And I could just come here and just walk around and I feel so
happy again. I'm going on September 21st,
Sunday to Horror Nights, Go one night a year.
I'll go to Universal because I do it every single year.
I love it. I buy the Express pass, I do all
that, and then that's it. I'm done for a year.
I just don't have a desire to go back like I do with Disney, you
know? And yeah, you guys tease me.
Oh, Derek's finally in a park. But I go like at least like once
a month, you know what I mean? And you do that, you're never
going to catch me walking around saying, oh, let's go to the
Minions Cafe this weekend and let's go ride some horrible
virtual Universal ride like that.
No, but you will catch me. Let's go to Animal Kingdom.
Because they're at the end of the day, there's nothing like a
Disney park. Even the worst Disney park, I'm
sorry it's a hot take, is better than the best Universal park.
That's my two cents, sorry. Yeah.
Speaking of Universal, have you guys follow Bioconstruct?
Have you seen the expansion of stuff that's already on site at
Epic? Yeah.
Like there's roller coaster pillars and track.
I don't know if it's roller coaster.
I've been told it's a wall. I've actually been told it's a
giant wall. I'm I'm pretty.
Look like a wall for me. I'm pretty confident about that.
I think. I think that they actually did
did recently see some permits. It looks like bright green, but
the the the the casing and everything that's in there
actually has some tree elements to it.
And so I think they're just they're building a wall for a
reason, which I agree, Jeff, they're going to expand and I
think they're going to expand quicker than anyone really
anticipates it happening because by all means that property is
has shown its success. But I do think that what is
there currently is just a giant monstrosity of a wall based off.
If they announce a wicked, If they announce a wicked land, I
will spontaneously combust. I probably, yeah.
There's. Not enough.
Proof of green? Yep.
Boobies love the play, but I don't think there's enough
people the next. Time the next time band is
missing from this show, well, that'll be the.
No, no, you'll just see me, they'll say.
Wicked, but I agree. I don't.
I don't think it would be. I think we got Creature from the
Black Lagoon or Zelda maybe? Lord.
Of the rings, yeah, that would be amazing.
Then you'd get me back there. Then you'd have.
I thought you liked epic Derek. I do like Epic.
I don't have any desire to go back like anytime like.
That's such a review. I.
Just I had a great time. I would not plan.
To go back out of all of those parks, that is the one I said
that I will happily go back, not even to ride anything, even
though some of the rides are fantastic.
I would be happy just going there, just eating, drinking,
walking around because I think some of the lands are the best
immersive, most beautiful lands that you could see anywhere.
So I, I think you could definitely do to beef up the,
the park because I hear from people all the time.
They're like, we're here and it started raining.
Everything is shut down. Like there's not one wide open.
Everything is exposed. So I don't know what they were
thinking when they were doing that.
But overall, yeah, it's a super pretty park.
But I'll I'll stick with my Disney.
Yeah, can I talk to the people at Epic for a second?
Plant a tree, please? I don't understand.
It's not as bad. And when's the last time you've
been there? So we were.
Two weeks ago when it no one first.
Oh, oh, you were there. Yeah, they put, they put up all
these umbrella, big giant umbrellas over all the benches
and stuff. But trees take.
Home more miserable than standing in line for Stardust
Racers. Because there's no air flow.
It's just muggy under there. No money and it was a 30 minute
wait that turned into a 2 1/2 hour wait.
Yeah, we. Should have left, but we kept
thinking. Were you stuck after the metal
detector? Cuz then you don't have your
phone or anything to even entertain you.
We were, yeah, we were way before that.
We were stuck after. It universal had vested some big
ass fans. I'm not cussing either.
That's a brand and they make big fans.
Well, Derek, while we're talking about things you would or would
not spend money on, I just want to stay on the topic of spending
money real quick. Recently also announced was mini
van service is coming to deluxe properties between the Orlando
International Airport and your deluxe Disney Hotel.
So all. I thought they did this before?
They did a long time. And then they took it away.
They never brought this back. But boy howdy did they bring it
back. So Derek, you're arriving, you
know, for your week long Disney vacation, you're ready to hop on
and, and, and get to the fun. Are you going to be showing out
$398 for you and your family of four to take a minivan to and
from the Orlando International Airport?
It's what? Are they on?
It's so, but again, you're going to have people that won't bat an
eye. You're probably look at some of
those dates will probably say sold out, sold out, sold out,
not available because people will still book it.
I used to in the old days when we used to fly down, we used to
get it was called Florida Town Car Service.
It's the greatest thing in the whole world.
I think it was like, I don't know, maybe 80 bucks round trip
or something. I mean, this is like in the 2000
or whatever, but they would come, they'd put like a Disney
CD on in the car. The back seat of the limo would
be filled with like, you know, Disney World park maps.
It was like this was before Magical Express.
It was the greatest and it was affordable if you didn't want to
have to deal with a car. But now with this, with those
prices, just rent a car. Who is doing that?
If you do this, if you're doing it, I need you to say in the
comments, why? Why are you doing this?
The answer is they're rich. I didn't.
I didn't know the price and in my head I was getting ready to
defend the minivan because it's a it smells good, it's got
themed music. It's, it feels nice, you know,
air conditioner. When I heard the price just now,
I freaked out. I thought Paul was going to say
175 bucks maximum and that's still expensive. 398, they're
crazy, Yeah. So we compared the pricing.
We did an article over on DVC Fan compared the pricing for a
family of four, round trip pricing.
So the minivan capped out at 398 that is round trip.
So that's both ways. Mirrors Connect.
So that that's basically what replaced Magical Express $121.80
for that family of four round trip as well.
Mirrors connect Express. This is essentially like a
minivan. It is they're kind of elevated
service. So you get a private, you know,
literal mini miniature van basically that's going to take
you to and from $250 through mirrors, Uber or Lyft 80 to 150.
You know, we got Uber XXL, you know, Lux, you know, that that
pricing kind of varies depending on what you're looking at.
But I think rental car it, it like Derek said, that's that's
the biggest no brainer here is you probably are, are pushing,
you know, $400.00 or so for the better part of your entire stay
for renting a car. And you have the flexibility to
then go absolutely anywhere you want.
Because remember, you don't you're not renting the minivan
for the week for $398. No, you get 2 rides in it to
your resort and coming back to the airport.
And with your, with your rental car, you're probably a DVC
member, right? So you're going to say, so on
your way to Disney, stop at a grocery store, right?
Just stop at the grocery store, go pick up your groceries.
I mean, it's such a no brainer. I just I mean.
Man, just look well and there's 11 graphic that's not on there,
Paul that Derek kind of just talked about.
But whenever we would come, we would always, I'm not going to,
you know, say the name because we're they're not our sponsor or
anything. But I use a town car service
every single time it was an SUV and it would hold up to 8 people
and it was the same price whether there was one person or
8 persons you could. And the, the biggest thing that
people keep telling me about the minivan thing is, well, you can
request a car seat. You, you can request a car seat
with these folks too. 175 round trip and that's a private car
cheaper than mirrors from your gate to your hotel and back.
You can book up the whole thing online. 175 bucks round trip.
That's less than half of what these minivans cost, and you're
getting the exact same service other than it's a black car
rather than a black car. And like you said.
Stretch limo is $200 each way. Literally a stretch limo, Yeah.
And those, and I mean, those things aren't capping out on the
number of people like what specifically for the minivan,
That's why we did family of four, because after four people,
they charge you more money. And that's why we use that
comparison. Whereas all of these other
examples roundabout, you know, they're not going to get
astronomically higher when you talk about adding more guests.
Like yes, with Mears Connector or Mears Connect Express, you
might pay a little bit more, but you know, the price of your
rental car is not going to change.
Your price of your rental car is the price of your rental car.
Do you have to tip a minivan driver right?
It's through Lyft, so I believe you do have the.
Option. So I think you have the ability.
Yeah. OK, yeah, when you rent a car,
you don't have to tip yourself. So that's.
True. I do, but that's just.
I feel like so you can also take, if you're really being
cheap, you could take the Lynx bus that goes from the nobody it
goes to Disney Springs and you gotta huff it, listen.
We're gonna do a video of. This all knew that existed.
So for when we were coming to Disney, I bet he would have made
me do it because when we were in Seattle, this is true.
We took the light link rail, which is cool, $3 a person, you
cannot beat that. But as as a reward for our
cheapness, we had to we had to huff it like what, like 4-4 to
five blocks for the rec hill? We did get off at the wrong stop
so that was mistake #1. With two suitcases each through
downtown Seattle. But it was a nice cool 65° or
something, so just. It's very hilly in Seattle, in
case you didn't know. Risk.
Walk. It was nice.
Amy, sometimes you have to stick up for yourself and tell him no.
I actually I would do it again. We're planning.
To we're very cheap, we're both cheap.
So when it comes to that kind of stuff.
Amy keeps kicking the camera. Sorry, I know it's.
Always like an earthquake here moving on in our news and kind
of the biggest story that I wanted to talk about originally.
So we Derek always harps on us because we don't necessarily
plan these shows too much. Although I will admit I
hopefully I'm getting better Derek.
At least I don't want planning. That's my point.
I don't want planning. I don't want it.
I think that's what keeps it nice.
Because if you give us a topic like 2-2 months in advance,
Panda's going to lose the e-mail.
He's going to completely forget it you all.
Know true so. Conversely, I'll have
spreadsheets and graphs that Paul will have to figure out how
to bring into the show. Then we'll lose the audio.
Then Panda. That is so true.
That's PTSDI. Still.
I'm still scared from the Summerfest show that I'm going
to click on one of your cameras and panda's going.
Hello DVC fan. Isn't that funny, though?
That is how we operate. I'm like on the fly.
Jeff is planned. Derek is kind of a hybrid.
Yeah. So how you do it now?
Keep doing it. One day advance notice is plenty
of time. So anyhow, I the last time we
filmed shows, I thought about putting this as a topic.
I, I decided, you know, hey, we've got destination D23 coming
up here pretty soon. It's normally a pretty big event
now. It's not D23 out in Anaheim.
That is always going to be every two years.
That is not until 2026. Again, that is always going to
be when we get the most parks news and announcement.
But coming off of the waves of Destination D 23 two years ago,
we would expect some general announcements for the parks and
resorts here in the Orlando, FL area since that is, you know,
this is our D 23 here in Orlando, FL Basically, the
schedule came out and I quickly said, well, that's not going to
cover an entire show because I said, you know, let's all like
discuss what we're excited about.
There are no parks panels at this entire event.
So now I don't know what to do with this show.
What are the panels? I can't really.
And I also am a little a little bit worried, but I still want to
do it the Sunday after D 23. So I think that would would be
Sunday, August 31st. We're going to do a live stream
in the evening that that night. So this is news to everyone here
because I don't want Derek to plan.
So you're welcome, Derek. But if any of you want to join
us that night, on Sunday night and talk about kind of what's
happening, we're going to do that.
But I don't know what we're going to talk about because
there's really no parks panels. Officially announced I'm I'm
trying to look and see what's on there, but the writing's so
small all I see is morning break, lunch break, and
afternoon break. That's the most important.
Part of the only words I can make out.
Those are those are your those are your big highlights.
I'll pull this graphic into our our streets.
We can all see it here in a second, but quick shout out to
Scott Gustin. For those of you that don't know
Scott, Scott does some amazing, amazing news reporting over on
on XI Always. I still want to call it Twitter
all the time, but I guess technically speaking it's called
X. But Scott tracks this thing as a
full time job because it is. And I think it's interesting to
kind of go through the schedule a little bit like he did and
highlight maybe some of these panels where we might see some
sort of parks news. Although at this point, there's
nothing really officially on this schedule that that has a a
surefire piece of news. So on Saturday, August 30th,
that kick off event from 9:15 to 10:30 AM, that is, you know, the
kick off of the entire weekend. So you would maybe hope that
something is going to be announced during that Walt
Disney Studio showcase on Saturday morning.
Also Saturday afternoon, creating the happiest place on
Earth. That is talking about
Disneyland's 70th anniversary. They've got Don Hahn and Leslie
Iworks going to be there that day.
That day we could potentially see, you know, some kind of
discussion or some kind of announcement be released related
to Disneyland. Last but not least on Saturday,
Scott in his kind of highlights said what's Cooking with Disney
Eats, which is a deep dive into the culinary offerings.
I know we should hopefully maybe get a new churro or a cupcake
out of that one. So, but again, like at this
point, like we're through the main day Saturday of destination
D23 and we don't have any real parks, meats and potatoes from
anything else that would be on there.
Unless you guys are seeing something that I'm not or that
Scott missed, which I'd be surprised with.
The most notable event the entire weekend comes up Sunday
morning, which is Disney Villains Icons of Evil from 9:05
to 9:50. They expect that potentially
this will cover some information related to the new villains
land. But also the description that
this event kind of gives talks more so about the design and how
they did the villains show at Hollywood Studios and the new
villains theming that's going to be on the Disney Destiny Cruise
ship. So are they going to talk about
Villains land? Do they actually have anything
else to share about that? And then last but not least.
Yeah, I think they're going to come out like they did with
whatever Frontier land and the cars attraction when they showed
that new piece of updated, you know, rendering that people went
crazy for because they didn't really like the first and they
showed the second one and everyone's like, Oh my God, I
love it so much. I can't wait.
I totally see them at least releasing something like that
for Villains Land. And then last but not least on
Sunday, Beyond the Spires and Insider look at Disney castles,
Imagineers are going to be talking about their inspirations
for many of the castles around the world.
And you know, will, will they announce anything?
This is maybe when they would maybe share more concept art of
the New Castle for Disneyland Abu Dhabi.
Maybe I don't know, but I, I guess I'm just kind of at the
point where what are are we going to hear anything about?
The parks and resorts, those felt like like the historic
lectures and things that belong on like ADVC cruise, like a
member cruise, like those types of entertainment.
Not something that you go to AD 23 event to hear, you know what
I mean? Well, and I just.
Really surprised there's not a Frontierland cars panel because
I know that's done. You know, that's villains is not
as dumb as that. You would think they would want
to give the details of the ride and the land and how it's.
I'm surprised. Some of these things are like
legit, look, look, look how long they are.
Some are like 30 minutes. Like that's it.
Like you're going to talk about I, I think one of them in there
was like, join us as we look back on the animated movies of
the 2000s, which had some incredible movies.
That whole panel's like 30 minutes and that's it.
And then you're going to move on to the, you know, what's eating
or what's, you know, this is going to be a new food item or
this. The one thing that I did see in
that thing that you sent Paul that Scott wrote in the castle,
that I think 1 announcement that would be a total slam dunk is if
they announced in that castle presentation the return of the
Christmas lights on. Yeah.
Dream on buddy. But yeah, the three green
lights, is that what they were called?
Yeah, yeah, I. Hear that?
Crane would already be up and they'd already be swinging those
things on that castle. So unless that thing's just
hiding and they paid, they paid a team overtime to get it up
super duper fast this year. Projections.
Jeff, what is what do you? I have a huge theory and and
this is we're swinging for the fences here, OK?
But in on these panels, there's four of them, OK, There is
around the globe, right? There's Japan, there's China,
there's France, and there's India.
I just sent you guys an article on our DVC show chat on
Messenger on July 5th. There was an A release on
e-commerce for, I can't remember the name of the website that
there's 500 acres that the Indian government has been in
talks with Disney about developing.
There's been rumors about an India park for decades.
When I went over there for work at my prior life, they were
already talking about it back then.
There is no theme park in India. Why are we going around the
globe? Every other thing there's
already a park there and there's been huge improvements there.
France has got Avengers Campus, China, huge Zootopia, you know,
Japan, big Frozen. I don't know.
I, I think that's going to be the big announcement of this.
I don't think we're going to get anything for Disney World.
I think they're going to put that in their pocket until later
this year. I think you're going to see an
announcement for India. That's my, that's my my
prediction. The ballroom's going to go
insane. Right.
And give us an India at Epcot. That too, yeah.
I, I just, I, I guess I'm just stunned sitting here knowing
that you're coming to Orlando, coming to this audience in which
you've announced like all this stuff for, you know, the next
few years, like small piece like Pepper and some concept art.
And maybe they're going to, I don't want to be critical of
that. But you know, you put, you put
out this schedule, you were just asking for bad press, which is
exactly what they got because everyone kind of said the same
thing. Wait a minute.
There's nothing here that really focuses on parks, which
historically speaking, destination D23 has not been
fully parks focused. But at the same time, two years
ago, they set a new precedent with this.
And that's what I think people that have bought tickets or
people that are going to the event maybe are expecting.
And yeah, there's so much that you've announced for Orlando
that we're all just kind of like, yeah, we want we want more
meat and potatoes. What is this giant thing you're
building that's now towering over Pioneer Hall at Fort
Wilderness? You know, But some people might
like more than just like a crummy name.
Like maybe. That's literally all we have.
We have a name. Literally, yeah.
So we have the name they Yeah, and everything else.
We're just going off the old reflections information which
might not even be accurate anymore.
You know, but you're not going to give us details on a condo
or. No Indiana Jones.
It's crazy though. No, no, right.
Those things are still. Four years out, they're building
those things. They're going to be 4 or five
years out. They'll hold that for D23 next
year and that'll be the big announcements for next year.
I think we want more information.
That doesn't mean they have to give it to us, and I think
they've had this thing in India in their back pocket for about
four years. But that's that's just me.
I could very well be wrong come September 1st or whenever the
hell this. But is is destination D the
place to blow that up as the main event?
I don't know, right? They did Abu Dhabi in an in a
news release. On a random news stream,
whenever it was. I didn't even believe it was
real until enough people messaged me about it.
So. So instead we'll get we'll get
no breaking news, but right before the afternoon lunch
break, we'll get a 15 minute descendant zombie dance routine
that's gonna. Yeah, I'm not upset that I
didn't get a ticket. I'll let you guys know when we
all join in and chat about whatever, whatever happened.
We're we're going to get some news from this event.
That's why I wanted to bring it up.
Is there anything that any of you, and I'll kind of end the
conversation on this. Is there anything that any of
you would really love to see maybe come out as a part of this
event based off of what you know now?
I I, I think we need more villains.
Hard It's like what, what is the plan?
And we know that they've been serving guests about villains.
We we've we've seen that reported pretty widely on our
channel. Who's your favorite villain?
And, and I think they're trying to narrow in on that story
because I still don't think they have any idea what they're
doing. They don't.
Jeff, I've actually heard that. They're not ready to make that
announcement yet, but that's what I would like to see.
I just, I don't. Think well, they've dedicated 45
minutes to that panel and there's a special villains
themed medley to kick it off off.
So I'm going to take us down to about 30 minutes of substance.
Plus, we're talking to some of the people that did the other
villains experience at Hollywood Studios.
So I don't think we need anything, I think.
We're getting that. So that's why I decided not to
do an entire show on Destination D23 until after it because I
don't think we're going to have that much to talk.
We're just going to kind of, we're going to show up for 5
minutes on that live stream that night and go.
All right. Yeah, I'm going.
I'll be like that cupcake looks good.
That's going to be a good cupcake.
I mean, I'll be happy if we have a cupcake to talk about at this
point. Last but not least, and best of
luck to any of you that were successful.
I know this is going to go up after all of this, but Beacon
Barrel reservations, boy, you want to talk about something
that just fell flat? And that was the fact that the
entire Disney dining system took a compute about a week ago when
Beacon Barrel Reservations went on sale because no one could get
them because the website died. And then later, Disney basically
had to say, argue, what would they say?
Like you plundered the nest or something like something like
that. Yeah.
And. They they got a new graphic
instead of the seven dwarfs. I mean, somebody spent some
money there. Yeah, but the Beacon Barrel
reservations, that is the new lounge that is coming to Magic
Kingdom over by Pirates of the Caribbean and it is both for
adults and children. So it should be fun.
Think Olga's Cantina because it's going to be very similar.
There's going to be a time limit in which you are there for.
You also do have a 2 drink maximum in terms of what you can
order per person, so they don't want you to be getting sloshed
and walking around Magic Kingdom.
Just Jeff is thinking of the disguises that he can.
Do because it's a 2 drink maximum too, isn't it?
Correct. That's why I said think.
Think of that same. I mean, I think the purpose also
is just so that other people can come in as well.
So they even put chairs in Ogas for for half of it so.
Don't sit down. You're not going to be here
Chairs. This is as quick as a
destination D-23. Anyone excited about Beacon
Barrel? I'm excited to try it.
The as of this show going up, the reservation system should be
working because they're trying again this Wednesday, which
would be last Wednesday for those of you this listening to
this the Monday after. So hopefully they went well and
we're not still waiting for reservations, but we'll make a
reservation. We'll go.
I'm excited that the old animatronic parrot is coming
back. That is cool.
That's. Yeah, I'd love stuff like that,
but what's my stupid excitement? It is interesting that Disney
seems to, and we've joked about this in the past, but Disney is,
we talk about not getting anything new except for lounges.
It seems like that's all they build now.
The new one at Epcot, you know, the, the Mile High Club at Magic
Kingdom, this one, you know, I, I'm excited that I'll be able to
go and get a beer without having to make a table service
restaurant reservation. So I mean, I think it's cool.
I love Ogas. We we go to Ogas pretty
frequently. So as as long as you can get in
and and out without getting mugged as any figure would say,
I think I. Think it'll be cool?
I I feel like you get mugged going to the GO-821.
Oh yeah. So which I still haven't been,
but no, no, I'm excited. I think it's cool and I love
Adventureland so. Well, that's going to do it.
I think we've hit all the news for the week.
So the dogs are back and so is Derek's hat.
And so that's going to be our news discussion for this month.
Let us know your thoughts in in the comments.
Let us know if you're excited for anything coming to
destination D23 or any thoughts that you might have about, you
know, what announcements there might be.
And we'll talk to you, you know, in a week and let you know if
there are any. But so long, partner.
Wow. I'm going to take this to Epic
Universe, John. They they need it.
They are real. Just at least plant them now.