Happy Saturday everyone, and welcome to this special live
edition of the DVC Show. We look half awake I feel like.
I should have. I made you coffee and I should
have made myself coffee. No, we know what happens when
you drink coffee. I am your host, Paul Krieger, as
always, joined by my lovely wife, Amy Krieger.
It's just the two of us this morning on a Saturday morning.
We didn't want to get Derek out of bed and Jeff somewhere in the
middle of the ocean on a cruise ship.
So our normal crew is separated. We're, we're filming regular
shows coming up this Monday. So, so one reason we needed to
do this was because we needed to kind of do a filler show so that
this will be this week's episode of the DVC show.
For anyone that clicks on Monday and wonders why there's no new
episode out. It's kind of that holiday
season. We're all busy doing a million.
Yeah, everything's crazy. But also, we just had all kinds
of big news drop. And so we want to make sure that
we get ahead of that, you know, that we're not just, you know,
waiting. You're not waiting for us to
film on Monday and whatever. So, yeah, we're here to talk
about, you know, all the things. We know there's a lot of things
on your mind. You know, we have that new feed
to talk about. We've got point charts that just
came out, you know, might touch a little bit on annual dues, but
we are going to talk about those more when we have the rest of
the team together. But yeah, we're we're happy to
be here. We went for a run this morning
and in my head we were going for a 5K and then Paul was like
let's just do 5. Oh, no, no, wait, wait, no,
let's, let's let's put this out there correctly.
Amy looks over at me at one point and goes it's OK if we go
a little further and I'm like, OK.
Yeah, well. What's a?
What was a little further to you 4?
OK, well. No, it was, it was good.
We actually we should be going a lot further.
We're just don't have the time right now.
Aaron said. Now I need to know what happens
when Amy drinks coffee. Aaron, if she drinks coffee and
you're around, she's your. Responsibility all night?
No, I just can't sleep even if I drink it in the morning.
Well, thank you guys for tuning in on a Saturday morning during
the holiday season and joining us for kind of some live DVC
discussion. This is going to mainly be AQ
and A, but we do have a lot of kind of breaking news as Amy
mentioned that we want to kind of get get some new information
out about. Before we get to that.
Something that I just wanted to kind of start the show with is
an incredible thank you to our entire community for what you
did during our Keys to Kindness slash Give Back November
campaign that we did to benefit Give Kids the World Village.
The numbers have been tallied and everything.
All told, this year alone, we broke every record that we've
ever attempted or tried for or anything over $45,000 raised.
Forgive Kids the World. And I think that's incredible
because it really just shows how much our community cares about
this cause. And it's, it's just been a
wonderful thing to be a part of. Yeah, and, and there was a lot
of different ways that you could donate.
You know, we had the the cruise giveaway and the T-shirt sale
and then we had general donations.
But I'm just impressed with the amount of people that took part
and just, you know, so many of those things, some in multiple,
you know, aspects of the He's the Kindness campaign.
So yeah, thank you guys so much. It was just so awesome to see
see those numbers, know the impact that's going to have on
give kids the world and granting, you know, wish trips
for families. If you did enter our giveaway,
they are kind of tallying the results right now.
Everything has to be very formalized and official.
That's all managed by Give Kids the World.
We reached out to them last week and they said they would be
getting us a winner here within the next week or two.
And we'll be sure to announce that on the show and on our DVC
fan Facebook group socials, all that kind of fun stuff.
So information on who won that opportunity to head on the Key
Holder cruise with us next year. And also something is that if
you did not get the opportunity to donate, our donation page is
still open. So general donations are still
being accepted. If you go to
keyholdervacations.com/kindness, you can actually head over and
donate if you are willing to do so.
Also over on that page, Key Holder vacations.com/group
Cruise, we have information for our Key Holder group cruise that
we are doing July 20th through the 24th on Utopia of the Seas.
We have an incredible group of people already committed to
going with us and we're kind of doing our final pushes here for
this cruise. So if you are interested in
joining us, now is the time to lock in that vacation.
I would imagine that probably right after the first of the
year, we will kind of call this thing sold out.
And for those of you kind of on the fence, stay tuned for an
upcoming episode. I think it's going to go up the
week of Christmas or the week after Christmas.
I'm not quite sure of the exact timing, but we are going to do a
deep dive into Royal Caribbean Cruise Line because we've had a
lot of you reaching out to us wondering why we love Royal
Caribbean so much. So we're going to tell you
everything there is to know or Amy's going to tell you
everything there is to know about Royal Caribbean and
everything like that. But yeah, happy Saturday.
I hope you all have some coffee and are ready for some
conversation here. I'm trying to do like a screen
share thing here and it's probably going to epically fail,
but we're going to see how it goes.
The thing that we really want to kick off this morning with is
probably the biggest rumbling that's been happening over the
course of the past couple days has been this new $500 DVC
resale admin fee that's going to be added to Disney Vacation Club
resale contract sales come January 1st.
Yeah. So it's, this is a very
interesting development, not uncommon in the timeshare
industry. But the look on Paul's face,
he's not some of his computer. I don't have enough.
I don't have enough screens this morning.
So initially we do have a little bit more information to share
about this that we just got this morning that Paul's going to to
give you. But before we get into that,
this started from basically a, a fan, I guess you say, of the
show that also has purchased with DVC resale market.
Happened to notice that this was added to the frequently asked
questions page of of Disney Vacation Club's website where
they talk about, you know, resale and how to resell your
contract. And it was just, you know,
somebody pointing it out that it just happened to show up there.
Yeah, shout out, shout out to Dan who actually sent this to
us. He must have been scooping the
DVCDVC website at late hours of the night.
Yeah, you just never know what you're going to find on there.
My goodness. If it's if it's working.
So, so that led obviously to, you know, doing some research
within, you know, our abilities and in our companies just to see
how this is going to affect, you know, everybody in the community
that, you know, a lot of you obviously purchase sell by
resale at first for the first several days.
I think we found out about this. What, maybe Monday.
Yeah, there was no response from Disney Vacation Club.
We know several title companies in the resale DVC space and
brokers that reached out for clarifications.
We've had a lot of questions coming from you guys.
Unfortunately, we did not have any answers at that time.
The responses that we did get from DVC themselves were, I'm
sorry, we don't know anything about this yet.
We haven't been, you know, informed yet.
So at that point in time, up until this morning, there was
no, you know, we didn't know how this, you know what the actual
time frame was. We knew it said January 1st, but
did that mean closing January 1st or things submitted to
Disney for a first refusal January 1st or you know exactly
what that meant? A lot of people are asking is
this going to be a buyer or a seller fee?
We're going to get into some of that and our thoughts on that.
Some of this is what we have recently learned.
Some of it is going to be speculation.
So we'll be sure to clear up what's what as as we discussed
this, this new development, but it is important to know that it
is new. There's still going to be
questions. There's still a lot left to be
clarified by DVC. And also, Oh my gosh, I had one
more thing that I was going to say.
It's gone. I lost.
So let's get into the details of kind of what this means for you
if you are shopping DVC resale contracts at the moment.
So this $500 fee is essentially going to be a closing cost,
correct? Yes, this is going to be added
as a closing cost to DVC resale transactions come January 1st.
Now many of you that are up to date on what's been going on in
this space are kind of going January 1st question mark.
So we did receive overnight an update from Disney Vacation Club
directly that did provide some clarity.
And we have been assuming that you know, based off of the speed
we've seen things moving through Roefer right now.
I think I saw our, our average Roefer timeline is down to under
2 weeks at the moment, so 14 days.
I made a note of that in the most recent wrote for report
that I wrote for resale Market about how it was 17 days.
It has gotten even less and my speculation was that they are
trying to push these contracts out before the first of the year
for this new fee. So specifically speaking to the
fee, Disney Vacation Club has said that this $500 contract
administration fee or CAF fee or calf or whatever you want to
call it is for the services provided by DVC member
management during the vacation. Let me see vacation ocean
interest acquired from the secondary market basically
because of the volume. This fee is needed to address
costs associated with the activation of new member and the
administrative process of the system changes involved with the
transfer of a resale contract. Now the big one that everyone
has been questioning and that was solidified this morning.
The fee will apply to all contracts signed on or after
January 1st, 2026 and must be paid before the ownership
transfer is completed. So it will be paid for as part
of that closing process. But the important note, a lot of
people have been in limbo whether or not you've just
submitted a contract to Roefer or you've been in that process
and you know that you weren't going to close until after
January 1st. The official terminology that
was provided by Disney Vacation Club is saying that this fee
will apply to all contracts signed on or after January 1st.
So if you are in the pipeline right now in the process of
purchasing or selling a contract, it's not going to
affect you. Or if you are looking to add a
contract under the Christmas tree, DVC resale market can
help. And if you do so and get that
contract signed and into the process before the end of the
year, you're going to not have to.
Worry about that though, I would keep in mind this is we're in a
holiday month. And so, you know, I would not
come into making, I would not go in making an offer on like New
Year's Eve expecting it to be all signed and done and sent out
to Disney before January 1st. You know, so, so be a little
realistic about that. Think about the holidays.
If you are trying to get in before this fee takes place, you
want to give more time for for that because you know you're
going to be negotiating possibly with a seller.
You might go back and forth a little bit and then you have to
wait for both parties to sign the contract before it can get
sent to Disney. So in order for that to occur
before January 1st, you want to give some time, you know, before
that date. So at least maybe a handful of
days or so. Like I'm sure your real resale
agent can guide you on on that. We've also we've had some
questions on if this takes the place of the estoppel or if it
is in addition to the estoppel fee and and we don't have an
answer on that yet, correct. Correct.
And let's just clear up where we think these two fees are going
to lie real quick. Estoppel historically has been a
fee that's associated with the seller of that contract.
This is basically the seller kind of verifying with Disney
Vacation Club during this sale process that the contract is
current, your dues are paid your your loan if you have one with
DVC is paid and verifying the points on the contract at that.
And to take that a step further, if you do a refinance of an
existing contract, you also have to pay Disney for an estoppel on
that. So we do a lot of refinances at
Monera. That $150.00 estoppel to Disney
is part of the closing costs on a refinance.
So the estoppel fee has nothing to do with transfer of
ownership. It's just fully a verification
of the contract, the owner, the points like you said, the due
status, you know, making sure there's no default loan with
Disney or anything like that. So that occurs whether you're
refinancing or selling a contract.
So because of that, it is our speculation and this is where we
are speculating that that $150.00 stable fee will not be
part of this $500. If they're going to be two
separate fees, the $150.00 stable continuing to be the
seller's responsibility and likely this $500 fee going to
the buyers as this is very typical in the timeshare
industry that this is a buyer's fee.
Most other timeshare companies, you know, you look at the
Marriott's, you look at Wyndham's, they all have similar
fees and they both have both fees.
So they still have an estoppel fee and they still have the
contract administration fee. So again, we're kind of
speculating at this point. Our, our admin teams at DVC
Resale Market have gone back to Disney Vacation Club with this
specific question because we know a lot of you in the
community have been asking it, but we have gone back to them to
ask specifically if that estoppel fee still applies.
We'll let you know as soon as we have that information.
I think the biggest news that comes out of all of this is,
again, like if you are in that window, probably, you know, Amy,
Amy spoke to, you want to avoid the holiday season.
You want to avoid the chaos before the end of the year.
And like, to your point, if I'm sitting down at my holiday
dinner, my priority is not going to be to sign that contract if
it comes over to me, you know, on New Year's Eve or something.
So you don't want to put yourself up against that window.
But at the end of the day, I think that if you are
considering a resale contract and you want to not have to
worry about that $500 fee, you know, everything's going to be
$500 more come, come January 1st at the end of the day.
And we'll get into kind of what that means for contract values
and everything in a little bit. But yeah, curious as to your
questions. Curious as to your thoughts.
I do have a few that I want to address some questions.
So Mason Keel 52O3 asked will will drive down the price per
point on smaller contracts like 5060 points.
We don't know yet, but it is possible.
So basically the cost per point, you know, the market is going to
be dictated by two things how much are sellers willing to let
their contract go for and how much are buyers willing to
purchase it for. So you know, but it is
completely buyer and seller dependent on what people are
willing to pay and what people are willing to sell for.
So only time is gonna kind of show us where those prices
equal, you know kind of settle at.
And it is possible because you are talking especially with a
small contract. You take take a 25 point
contract for example. You take that $500 and split it
up and now you've got an extra $20 per point.
Correct me if I'm wrong, my fast math in my head is not.
How many points? 25, yeah, you did good, awesome.
50 points obviously like an extra time per point.
That's significant, you know, when it comes to buying.
So we may see those prices adjust a little bit on something
a lot larger, you know, for example, like a $26,000
contract, we're talking less than a 2% increase, you know, I
mean like 1.9 something percent. So, you know, again, we're gonna
have to wait and see how the market reacts.
You guys are the market. We don't dictate that you, the
buyers and the sellers are the market.
And so you kind of can decide what you're willing to pay, what
you're willing to sell for. The other question I wanted to
address was that JCBNYC 2009 said, in most cases, how much
will the extra $500 affect the interest rates?
I don't think you're gonna see an effect on interest rates and
then you're gonna see an effect on pricing.
I don't think. Yeah, it's not gonna affect the
rates that you were borrowing at.
That's a completely different entity of the process.
This $500 is whether you're financing or not.
So we're going to see those those effects in the pricing,
not in the rates of borrowing money.
I've been pretty involved in the Diz Boards community over the
course of the past week, just following the conversation over
there. So shout out to the Diz Boards
community because I did plug this video a couple minutes
before we went live, but I think a lot of interesting
conversation over there regarding this new $500 fee.
One one of the most interesting I think recently that I read is
that when you ask that question of does this affect the value of
a small point contract? You know, at the end of the day,
a small point contract is still probably going to be
significantly more valuable than say if you bought a 405 hundred
600 point contract because we see the values of those slip so
much. I think if you, if you see
anything thing, you're going to see more contracts purchase
maybe in that reasonable range between, you know, 150 to 350
points. Does it change people's pattern
as to how they buy? This is the one that I come at
it with a different mindset on is because if you are someone
buying for the first time or if you're not ingrained in this DVC
fan community or don't really have that full education, you're
not thinking about these things when you're actually buying that
initial contract. So you're not thinking about
that long term resale value or potentially down the road.
You may not even if you've not really explored the resale
market, you're not thinking about that when you make a 25 or
50 point add on to your current ownership.
So we that this community is very educated, you know, sphere
of Disney Vacation Club, but I think when we look at the
broader Disney Vacation Club space.
There's not as many people like thinking about it in that
mindset, so it'll be curious to really see what this does to
prices like as we had to 26. Yeah.
And, and hopefully, because I know on our end for, you know,
like DVC resale market, which is the, the brokerage under our
umbrella with key holder vacations, that fee is going to
be shown, you know, on the website with every listing as
part of the closing cost that buyers need to expect to pay.
And so one thing I think that happens with new buyers, because
I see this a lot in the lending on the lending side of things is
they look at that price per point and they're like, OK, I'm
ready to buy. And they don't pay attention to
the additional cost, like the closing cost, because there are
closing costs. This is a real estate purchase,
so it's a deeded piece of property.
So you need to think of it like buying a home.
Whereas you have title company cost and you have, you know,
government recording fees and taxes and title insurance and
things like that. And then again, some people also
completely ignore the annual dues.
So you want to just look at the whole cost upfront when you are
trying to decide if purchasing is a right move for you.
So make sure you're looking at all those costs.
They are, you know, I know our company gives you estimates of
those on on their website. If you are financing that adds
some additional cost. Monera has a quote tool that
shows you all of those. We are going to be adding this
fee to that quote tool. So you can have you know a more
accurate idea of the numbers to expect come January 1st.
But just use all the tools at your advantage to look at those
numbers to decide if it's the right decision for you.
And you know, sometimes, sometimes direct, you know, is
going to be the right decision. And when you, when you compare,
you know, cost per price, especially when you get into
like the more expensive price per point, sometimes it is like,
Hey, I might as well buy direct or you know what I mean.
Look, look at everything. Do do the math, do the research.
I think most of the time resale is still going to come out on
top as the better, you know, value.
But then again, it just depends, you know, So, so I'm not going
to say it's all the time. Couple other questions coming in
and I just want to say if you are just joining us, you know,
back up 10 minutes to where we kind of first brought this up.
But I just do want to clarify yet again because I have seen a
couple questions come in just clarifying the timing of this
fee. Again, Disney Vacation Club did
overnight provide us with guidance saying that essentially
this fee will apply and I'm I'm quoting here, this fee will
apply to all contracts signed on or after January 1st, 2026 and
must be paid before the ownership transfer is completed.
So team Schoenhoven and Nathaniel, I think this both
answers your questions there. Again, signed contract closing
are two different things. You need a signed contract
before January 1st and that needs to be then submitted to
Disney before January 1st and then this $500 fee would not
apply to those sales even if they do close in the early part
of January, so. Yeah.
And then the question right underneath that you pretty much
said this already, but asked, you know, if it doesn't pass the
right first refusal by January 1st.
It is our understanding based on the guidance we received last
night, this morning that it's yeah, it just has to have been
submitted to Disney a signed contract by that day, even if it
hasn't passed reverse refusal yet that the fee would not apply
yet. Yeah.
So, so those are those are important things to keep in
mind. So even if you have a contract
out there right now, we have, we have people that have contracts
that the closing date, you know the closing takes 10 months from
now because of delayed closing because of trips.
Since those are signed contracts, they've already been
sent out. Those should not have that fee
added. Yep.
Well, I think we've, I think we've killed this topic pretty
much. I know a lot of you guys still
have a lot of questions about this.
My best advice at this point is if you do have an agent over at
the DBC resale market, you know, reach out to them if you are
actively going through a contract purchase or if you're
thinking about buying. Again, my biggest emphasis right
now is if you have been thinking about buying you know you, you
want to try to avoid this $500 fee if possible.
And so you know finding that right contract now before the
first of the year just kind of avoids that $500 and kind of
puts you into that window. So and we will have more
information. And kind of more.
Formal. Yeah.
And one more thing, this is, is actually pretty standard in the
timeshare industry. And as far as the cost of the
fee goes, you know, $500 that is kind of a big hit, especially
for smaller contracts, not so much for larger ones, but there
are time shares out there that have a lot larger fee for this
like contract administration, you know, ownership transfer
thing. I saw some out there that were,
you know, 751 thousand 1500. So this isn't, you know, not
this does happen in the timeshare industry.
So that is something to keep in mind that unfortunately it does.
It was something to set Disney apart that we didn't have it.
But now that we're getting all these more extra resorts and all
these owners and there's a lot more contracts out there being
bought and sold, you know, through resale market, we have a
lot more transfers that Disney has to do.
And this is part of why they originally were slowing down,
you know, and changing, you know, ownership and getting your
points might take, you know, another eight weeks after
closing. We are hoping that with the
addition of this fee that they that means they're hiring more
people that they're making this process a lot faster.
For sure Zeppelin rocks. This is dirty if they would do
this. But he said, would they roofer
more to drive contract signings until after January 1st?
I can tell you from our perspective right now, there's
no increase in roofer equity. It's about the same as what?
They're actually sending things through faster right now.
Things are being pushed through faster, but the the number of
roofers as a result of that are the same as they've they've been
throughout the course of 2025. So don't really expect any huge
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Also, before I forget, Derek sent along a message and wanted
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Anyway, Derek's going to end up on Patreon tonight.
I just know it. We're confident of that.
This lady controls what goes on Patreon.
So it it it's, it's bound to happen.
Moving on in the conversation, I think I want to go to point
charts next, which I want to, I want to fully just outline how
this went down this week because I, I absolutely love just when I
think that something is coming and then it just immediately
happened. So I was in a conversation for
those of you that don't know already, we've been working
behind the scenes. I, I should say Ben, our
amazing, amazing new member of our team over at key holder
vacations. He is in our IT department and
he is just a rock star. And where his head goes, he's a
he's a huge follower of this show.
He's probably watching right now.
So shout out to Ben. Everyone in the comments say hi,
Ben. Thanks for the awesome new tool.
So Ben came to us a couple weeks ago and we were talking about
like what, what kind of things could we do to better assist the
Disney Vacation Club community? And one of the big things that I
said is I always felt that point charts when they came out was
very, very, very clunky. And there wasn't a great way to
view them nor compare them. And so we started going down
this mindset. He just kind of rock and rolled
with it, sent me over. The first version looked
awesome. We sent back and forth a couple
different pieces of feedback, but as part of as part of the
2027 point charts, we were getting ready to roll this tool
out to you, our amazing community.
So I was in conversations. I don't remember what day it was
this this week has been a bar. Was it Wednesday, the point
Trump? I don't even remember whatever
day point charts dropped. I was in a conversation with
Ben. We were kind of cleaning a
couple things up, talking about when it would go live just for
testing ahead of I thought point charts would not come out until
next week after the condo association meetings.
I then went to our chief technology officer, Matt and I,
I just typed the message and I had said, hey, Matt, I just
wanted to make sure we were all set up for point charts across
all of our brands. You know, DVC resale market they
do things related to point sharks, point sharks.
I've not had enough coffee point charts DVC rental store
obviously that that is an important part of our business.
DVC fan all of us utilize the point charts in one way shape or
form or another. I did not have that message sent
and and I'd said, I think point charts for 2027 will drop next
week to when I refresh the screen that I've had a saved as
a tab on my computer for the past month, just refreshing
waiting for them. And there were the 27 charts.
But again, yeah, kudos to Ben and that whole amazing team, our
technical team, because they didn't waste a second and they
got the new tool up and running. So I do want to show you this
real quick. If you are looking for our new
point chart tool, you can head to the Disney Vacation Club
website. Head to DVC.
Yeah, I'm sorry. Jeez.
Dvcfan.com, not the Disney Vacation Club website.
Go to point charts at the top. If you hover over that you will
see the DVC points calculator. That's it.
Is that all you're gonna say? That's all I know.
Yeah, I just stopped talking because I figured I was losing
track of our thoughts. So a couple of different things
here with the point chart calculator.
So there's a couple couple cool things that you can do.
First and foremost, if you're just looking for point charts,
you can go to the upper left hand corner, click on Viewpoint
charts, and then let's head to Boardwalk Villas.
For example, the point charts right now are defaulting to
2026. So if you are looking for the
2027 charts, you can click and choose what point chart you're
looking for. How?
Cute are those graphics are director of digital marketing
Mandy Gibson made those. They're so cute.
She was on the last two shows that we did.
Yeah, so you can click on to whatever year you want, you can
see. What I love also is you can hide
different things. So if you only care about deluxe
studios, you can hide the one bedroom villas for now and then
if you want to bring them back, you can obviously click them
back. So if you want to just look at a
specific room type, you can do so.
What I love and what I think the community has loved so far in
testing this tool and playing with it is the compare feature.
So if I click compare to 2026, I can see any changes that have
happened on these charts. So right here you can see that
no changes really occurred to Boardwalk.
So let's go to one that was a little bit more controversial.
I'm actually going to go to Animal Kingdom Jambo House 1st
and go to the 2027 chart here and then compare to 2026.
Shout out to the Diz board community.
Again, I know what happened to our TV behind us.
I have no idea. Shout out to our Diz boards
community, though. I know that they, someone had
asked and thought that it might be kind of a, a hard thing to
now it's completely turned off. Look at that just we're we're
rocking 1000 this morning. People just hit that thumbs up
button because you got to love how just random off the cuff we
are. Someone had asked if we could
highlight the changes when we do the compare feature and Ben
actually Ben actually worked overnight and got this up and
running. He he sent it to me this morning
and said I got this working before the live stream today.
My. Goodness.
Ben So you'll see in green any any increases that have happened
to the point charts and then you will see in red any decreases
that is so. I didn't even.
I haven't even seen that. Yeah.
And then in addition to this, someone also asked if we could
build in the weekly point charts and those are now on here also.
So when you are searching the charts, you will see that the
weekly is back on here because that is how typically Disney
Vacation Club, it shows these point charts.
So this is for comparison features.
One of the reasons we pulled up Animal Kingdom, Jambo House,
this is one of the ones that a lot of people are talking about
at the moment. So there was a little bit of a
rebalancing here between basically Savannah view and
value Studios and value accommodations at Jambo House
and the the main thing and Lauren did a great write up over
on DVC. Fan.com.
So head over there. I think I pulled it up here.
It's one of these tabs somewhere, point chart analysis
there it is Animal Kingdom Lodge.
So one of the main things here that I think a lot of people are
talking about is the fact that if you've ever tried to get that
club level accommodation, if you've ever tried to get a value
accommodation, it's basically impossible to do so at Jambo.
And a big reason for it is there is a large number of people that
are walking. That's the all we're going to
say. We're not going to answer what
walking is today, walking those reservations.
And there are a large amount of what I would call commercial
renters. So those people you see in
Facebook groups that post like the 35 different reservations
that they have for sale at once, There's a lot of people in that
camp that have kind of resorted to just booking up these value
studios. And so I think Disney Vacation
Club, this is another attempt at them just basically kind of it
is a reactionary thing to the feedback of members trying to
increase the point values on these value accommodations and
then in return decrease the value of the Savannah views.
Yeah, which I, I, I appreciate that because honestly, because
most of us, most of us aren't getting those value rooms and
there's still a deal like you're still saving on points if you
choose that over standard and Savannah view.
But now it's not, as you know, they made the deal a little less
sweet. So maybe less people will be
inclined to the kind of fight for that and that will leave it
available to those who really want it.
I don't know, we'll see. Or I'm just like, hey, I'll just
book a Savannah view for a few more points or, you know, a
standard view for a few more points and not worry about it.
So still working with that TV. It's OK, They can just look.
I think I got it. Look, I made it work.
Look at that. Technology at its finest.
So yeah, I think this is, this isn't a good move on on point
rebalancing that we've seen and it'll be interesting.
There's a lot of people out there though that are like, hey,
I'm happy about this because I've never been able to get into
those value rooms. Keep in mind how few value rooms
there are. I don't think we're going to see
a significant change in your ability to get into these value
accommodations as a result of this, even if it does cut down
on some of the things that I mentioned earlier.
This is not going to make these any easier and does not mean
that these aren't going to go at the 11 month window just as they
do currently. So you got to be ready.
You got to be waiting. I'll just add my own little
speculation out there. I've said for a long time that
I'm curious to see if Disney Vacation Club has the mindset of
adding to Jambo House more DVC accommodations.
And if they continue in this direction, it makes more sense
to do so because most of the Jambo House section are these
traditional hotel rooms. And so if you wanted to pull
those in and you wanted to boost up the point value of them to do
so and make maybe all of Jambo House DVC, or at least a larger
portion of it DVC, this could be the first move to do that.
I don't know, that's pure speculation on my behalf, but it
it would make sense. I think the other point chart
change, and we'll go back to Ben's handy dandy charts here to
view this one a little bit more closely.
And this is the more hotly contested change that we've seen
with the point charts in 2027 is Disney's Polynesian Villas and
Bungalows. So there's been a massive shift
here when it comes to the the point charts, specifically
related to the current accommodations over at the long
houses. So we've seen across the board
increases. And remember when Disney
Vacation Club rebalances points, the traditional thing that we
see is that if you add points to 1 area, you have to subtract
points from another area. And that is why everyone's head
is scratching a little bit at the Polynesian chart because you
can see I have no red on this chart whatsoever.
I just have green. Yeah, so, so basically our
speculation on this is that and we've been hearing some like
complaints about this. So we're hoping this is the case
that they went to the Island Tower and they declassified some
of the rooms that were listed as theme Parkview, maybe even some
of the preferred view ones that are like overlooking the roof.
But that they went and declassified some of those and
downgraded their basically their view status so that you're not
getting stuck in a room, you know, with the promise of paying
for a theme park view and points and then getting something where
it's like, oh, well, if I turn, you know, sideways and I
hangover the railing for a little bit, you know, I can kind
of see a part of the fireworks. I mean, we don't we don't want
you guys getting stuck with that.
And and they probably are tired of the complaints and having to
move people to different rooms. So our our speculation and again
this is a question that is going to hopefully be clarified at the
condo association meeting next week.
Paul is going to the Polynesian 1.
So if no one else asks it, it's it's all you buddy.
But. I'm I am a family on the wall of
those. Meetings.
I just sit there with my notebook.
And I know so somebody asked this question, but that because
we want to see where the math went.
So if they declassified, you know, a handful of rooms as not
theme park anymore and they moved them down a category, then
we've got all these points floating around that have to go
somewhere. So they had to go and
redistribute those points into other into other places.
That is our guess. We are not 100% sure because
there is no clarification on why this point chart looks like
this, but hopefully we will learn and find out.
If you go to the Poly Association meeting on
Wednesday, that one's on Wednesday.
Please ask that question. And at the end of the day, I
think that the biggest thing with these charts with, with all
of this stuff that we've talked about this morning so far is a
missed opportunity to properly communicate on Disney Vacation
Club's behalf. And that, that I see, I, I see
that as the frustration that most members are expressing both
with these point charts and with the $500 admin fee.
Now the, the betting, you know, the, the running bet is that the
admin fee actually got added to the website prematurely.
It sounds like that is the case because in early push to, you
know, get clarification from Disney Vacation Club, they were
kind of like, I don't know what you're talking about.
So it sounds like that was a little bit premature in going up
on the website versus their actual wanting to roll it out.
But with the point charts, there's really no excuse, you
know, when you're gonna put the point charts out.
And just providing the clarification reduces this
friction that there is and that there continues to build between
Disney Vacation Club and the member base.
And I think that there's just this huge missed opportunity
where if you properly communicate, I've invited, you
know, leadership to come on this show and I would continue to do
so. If anyone out there, you know,
within that space watches this and wants to provide clear
communication, I am always happy to do so because that's our end
goal is to educate and inform members.
And I think if you have a properly informed member base,
then they're going to be less angry.
Like you're going to not have pitchforks coming for you next
week at these at at these association meetings where a lot
of people are geared up and revved up to ask a lot of these
questions because they're angry about it.
So I properly communicate it. Very, very easy to do.
I think you know, so I, I just don't understand why time and
time again we're having these conversations, but less of that.
I want to go back to Ben's tool real quick and then we'll get to
some of your questions. I just want to show you all the
bells and whistles that we kind of build in here.
So as we mentioned down the left hand side, we've got all of the
different resorts. So if you want to click on a
resort and see the point charts, you can do that Bay Lake Tower
just to show you. You can also download the
traditional point chart. If you like to just kind of have
that traditional point chart. Look, there's a little download
button here that'll allow you to download that.
Want to go over and just show you real quick the Villas at
Disneyland Hotel and Aulani charts because an awesome
feature that been built into these are the fact that you will
see the transient occupancy tax built right into the chart here.
So you will actually see those numbers for whatever date range
you are looking at, those are per night fees, whether it be
Aulani or the villas at Disneyland Hotel, you're going
to pay that at checkout above and beyond the point cost for
those. Rooms and he also has the Weekly
listed under the Weekly and Holy Cow Grand Villa.
Oh. My goodness, 2800, I go all the
way down. OK, that's 30 3200 / 3200 for.
3037. 3737 hundred for the Christmas week.
Wow. Yeah, it's in transient.
It's behind the photo of us right now, so you guys can't see
it on the screen. Oh my goodness.
I will say for transient tax, if you are looking for 2027 Aulani
numbers, those are not out yet. They typically drag their feet
and do not put those out. If anyone has them, please send
them to us.info@dvcfan.com so that we can get those up.
But Aulani is always like Disneyland Hotel was there boom
right when the 2027 charts dropped, But Elani has not yet
fully published that. And I think that has to do with
like state and local things that go on over there.
So Elani's just in its own little world.
But once we have those, we will update those across the right
hand top section here before we go any further, obviously
showing your support for us. You know, you can head over to
DVC rental store. You can head over to unlock
magic for tickets. We've got all of our buttons if
you just want to head to the regular website and click on
news. The point calculator is the
other aspect of this that is pretty cool.
So if you're looking to plan a trip, you can actually use this
as a comparison feature to kind of see how many points that
specific trip is going to cost. So where do you want to go?
Amy, I want to go to Grand Californian.
Grand Californian What? What kind of room do you want
to? Stay in a grand villa.
Of course, Grand. Villa why not?
Standard view what dates you. All they have is standard view,
but next Christmas, next. Christmas.
I'm too early, aren't I? December. 20 well, I'm just
looking at that point you're. Just looking at points, that's
cool. So we're going to look over
Christmas. We'll say we'll check in on the
23rd and we're going to check. Out.
On the 30th and that is 1358 points.
Yeah, I'm going to have to back that, but I don't have that.
Many you can see we've highlighted, you've highlighted
the selection right here and we can also click on save for
comparison. So we can actually save that
search result that we have and just kind of put it into our
little comparison area, right? Here, Yeah.
And next to it, can we compare how much Disneyland?
Yeah. And the same range.
And I want to do that for a couple of different reasons.
So if we go here and we go to the villas at Disneyland Hotel,
we're going to select the three bedroom grand villa prefer,
Yeah. That's.
All they view 1000 278 but look what it also does for there so
it actually so actually. I think I'd rather spend the
extra points at. Correct.
So this comparison tool is also going to add up that transient
tax for you. So however many nights you're
staying, it's going to automatically add that up.
So for Disneyland Hotel during that same date range and we'll
save this for comparison, that is going to be 1278 points plus
$3783. And we have a little disclaimer
of what that transient tax is here.
Last but not least that I want to show off here before we head
into some of your questions is that if you do want to maybe
look into booking one of these or if you don't have enough
points and you need to search for some points, the little
three dots next to each selection here gives you 4
different options to choose from.
You can check DVC availability. So this will take you to Disney
Vacation Club's website for you to log in and check availability
for that specific date range that you're looking for.
You can view resale listings for that specific resort that you're
looking for points for. You can look at renting DVC
points for that stay. So again, it's going to pre
populate that information that you've already put in there and
take you over to the DVC rental store site and show you what
that stay would cost. And then if you are looking to
rent out your points, so this is a stay that you already have and
you're looking to rent out your points and get some cash, it can
take you there. So built those functionalities
into this tool. I would still kind of preface
and say that this is in what we would say a beta phase at the
moment. So we're still kind of working
on it and getting it up to speed and everything.
But if you see anything or if you see any optimizations or
anything like that, that you'd like to add to it, then you can
head, head and e-mail us at info@dvcfan.com or just ping us
in one of our communities and we'll get that feedback.
But again, if you're looking for that tool, head to DVC fan.com,
go to the point Charts section and you'll see DVC Points
calculator. It's also in the 2027 point
charts article that we we did. So I'm going to scroll up here.
It sounds like Amy's got a couple questions she's
pinpointed that you guys have asked while we've been looking
through here. I've been looking.
I just, there's one I'm trying to find that I had and now I
can't find it anywhere. OK, I just remember what it
said. It asked about the cruise and
said can we start making payments?
So I just wanted you to address that really quickly because I
know that you knew the information.
Isn't it the payment link, the same one that they used to make
their deposit? They can go back to that link,
submit another payment. Yeah.
So you've got two different options if you are booked on our
key holder group cruise. So everyone that was booked on
the group cruise was signed up for what we call Flex pay.
So any remaining balance as of the final payment date will auto
pay to the credit card that you used when you signed up for that
initial, when you basically they paid your deposit and signed up
for the cruise. If you want to make advance
payments above and beyond that right now, a lot of people like
to do so just to kind of pay that down over time.
You can go to that same payment link that was in that e-mail
that was sent to you. Or if you have questions at any
point and want us to resend that payment link to you, reach out
to us at events at keyholdervacations.com.
That e-mail goes directly to guess who these two people right
here. Yeah, so Paul is the one doing
all the quotes and and I am the one processing all the payments.
So we are, we wear many hats, but we're happy.
We're happy to help. OK, someone said that they were
waiting for an annual dues video.
Do you just want to quickly touch on?
So we are recording a new show with the rest of the crew.
Annual dues are going to be a heavy topic on that show.
But we do have, you know, all the analysis that we put out
already on DBCP i.com, So we didn't really want to steal too
much from that show. But is there anything just
really quickly you want to say about annual dues?
Obviously that came out like what, a few weeks ago we did
annual dues. Yeah, annual, annual dues were
about, I don't know, it feels longer than it actually has
been, two or three weeks maybe, I don't know.
It is the largest increase that we've seen, you know,
historically when we look at the average increases across all
properties. A lot of that I think has to do
with a lot of things that you hear about on a daily basis,
whether that be inflation, whether it be paying the amazing
cast members that work at these resorts a livable wage.
A lot of those things are the things that have changed.
Next week are the condo association meetings where these
dues budgets essentially get approved and that's when, you
know, they, they load everything in the system so that you can
pay them for 2027. So this is kind of I, I always
just equate it to unless you see a blatant, you know, reason or
reason to question these, these things are pretty highly
regulated. So there's typically no
surprises when it comes to dues. You know, transportation costs
are going to go up year over year.
You know, the, the typical things that you would expect to
go up are going to go up. And so, yeah, it's it's just
kind of that that part of ownership that you got a kind of
factor in. I think what most people are
questioning right now is whether or not we continue to see as
aggressive of these increases because it kind of throws that
math out the door that maybe you you punched into a spreadsheet
when you bought two or three years ago or whenever you bought
your original contract. So, yeah, I don't have a whole
lot more information other than that to really report on dues.
You know, there there wasn't anything I think that was overly
surprising that came out of the dues or any line items that you
know, were big head scratchers, but.
Yeah, we'll talk more about those though, when we record on
Monday. Team I'm so bad at reading
handles like YouTube handles because they're.
Open 2020. Yeah, that's it.
Because they're all mixed together.
That's not the one I was going to highlight.
They asked the question, how hard is it to get the new cabins
at 7 month mark, the week of Halloween?
Impossible. Not impossible.
I would say fairly impossible. Difficult they're they're,
they're very popular. Halloween is a very, very
popular time at Fort Wilderness. They have the, the golf cart
parade. It's really cool.
They have all kinds of, you know, fun things going on.
They actually pretty much lock the resort down that if you're
not staying there or have a reservation like hoop they do,
you are not allowed on that property.
So Halloween is very popular, very busy.
So if you don't own there, you know you're going to want to try
it seven months, you're going to want to set a wait list, you're
going to want to stock the system just to see if something
comes up. But it is it is going to be
difficult just because how popular Christmas and Halloween
are very, very big at Fort Wilderness.
I also want to highlight this comment that he also asked or he
or she. I apologize.
Is there an app in the works too?
First I would say if you've not done so or if you used to have
it and got really frustrated at it re download the DVC resale
market app available on Google Play and the App Store because
also the sorcerer, the sorcerer Ben completely revamped that and
it's got some cool things going for it.
I actually met with Ben this week because we're talking about
adding some things related to DVC rental store in that app.
But I will just say that there was also a conversation of do we
create a DVC fan app that has a lot of tools that members need
and want. And that's where we're going to
leave it for right now because this this cool little tool that
he built for the point charts. That would be a cool thing to
live in an app along with a lot of other things.
Yep. You're tired of me already, I
can tell. Buff Rob said their new buyers
going back and forth on resale and direct having trouble
deciding if the direct park perks are worth it.
They live in New Hampshire, not Florida.
That's a tough one. It's just comes down to looking
at the perks and if there are things that you know you're
going to use. But at the end of the day, it's
almost always we say FOMO, fear of missing out.
That's what makes most people buy those perks.
The fear of missing out on going to a Moonlight Magic.
Any of the dates almost never match up for you.
Or, you know, the fear of missing out on the little events
or the preview events. I will say that for a lot of the
perks, some of them, if you don't live in Florida, are
actually very hard, you know, for them to fall directly on
during a trip. When they do, it's amazing.
But if they don't, you may go a whole year without really taking
advantage of many of them. So you kind of have to decide
that. That's kind of a personal
decision. We enjoy some of the perks, but
can we live without them? Probably, But yeah.
OK, let's see. I'm looking for some more
questions instead of comments. Well Amy's looking for
questions. I'll fill you all in on our
foster dog Lolo. If for those of you that don't
follow us on social as we recently had brought a fourth
dog into our house which I believe you our entire community
is convinced is going to become a permanent resident of our
house. But we are looking for an
amazing family that wants to adopt Lolo.
Lolo has been probably the most scared Galgo that we've brought
into our home. You know, there's a lot of
trauma. Who knows how he was treated,
you know, before he made it into the rescue system and was
rescued by SOS Galgos and then Greyhounds in Motion, who is our
local rescue group. But he's, he's coming into his
own. We see little things every
single day, Amy. Amy swears she saw his tail wag
this morning for the first time. I don't know if I'm crazy, I
feel like I've seen like little hints of his tail wagging just a
couple times. But he's also just getting a
little bit more curious around the house.
We don't necessarily have to fully guide him somewhere.
We can kind of if we, if we talk nice enough, He he, he, he's
convinced to come downstairs for dinner or to go outside.
So yeah, he's, he's he's been an amazing boy to kind of do that.
We do have another question from Jeff Haslam.
Jeff Haslam said, does DVC plan to build a resort in Saint
Thomas? Asking for a friend.
No, that looks like a spam bot. I can ban them from the
broadcast. I think they must be in Saint
Thomas today, right? Probably.
Yeah. Jeff, we're jealous.
What's the you? Want to be in the Caribbean?
Jeff, how many Bushwhackers have you had already this morning?
Right. Yeah, if you're ever Saint
Thomas, get a bushwhacker, which is basically like chocolate
milkshake meats, pina colada. I like the ones that have the
strawberry syrup in them. And then get a side of French
fries and dip your French fries in it like it's a boozy Wendy's
Frosty. If you don't, If you don't
realize. Amy.
'S in life, Amy's alcohol choices in life all revolve
around sweet things. I don't milkshake.
I don't drink very often, but when I do, it's.
Last night Last night Amy and I went to dinner after going to
Universal Studios for their holiday stuff.
We went to a place called The Whiskey, which is in the Doctor
Phillips area, and Amy ordered this drink.
And I said when she was before she was going to order it, I was
like, that sounds like a, a, a boozy smoothie.
And the bartender that was actually helping us was not who
made that drink. There was another gentleman that
made that drink. And then our bartender came over
and he was like, oh, I see you ordered the boozy smoothie.
Yeah. It was good.
OK, I just want to highlight this one, Sirius MH said.
Looking good with that goatee like Steven Seagal.
Steven Seagal, I was going more for Robert Downey Junior.
Well that's just cuz I told you that on this.
Especially with the glasses too. So let's see, I, I know Buff
Rob, you asked this question a little bit ago.
You ever have any issues with renting out DVC points for
Saratoga Springs? Looking at buying into that
resort as their resale prices are reasonable.
Thank you. I will take that because I
actually work with DVC rental store and I guess I can can I
say this officially. I was going to ask you if I
didn't want to if I wasn't. Why not?
So? Yeah.
So yeah, I work for DVC rental store for any of you that don't
know that. That is not news.
Please don't make that news.
Yeah, I've worked for DVC Rental Store for going on five years
now. I've been the member relations
manager. So assisting members like
yourself, Buff Rob in renting out your your points.
But happy to report here first that come January 1st, 2026, I
will actually be the president of DVC Rental Store.
So really excited about this opportunity, really excited
about the future that we have at rental store.
You know, all of our amazing brands at Key Holder are what
allow us to do this. We're not going anywhere.
We're still doing DVC fan. You may see some new faces from
time to time. But yeah, because we do want to
grow this brand also. But yeah, really excited by that
opportunity. So yeah, that's exciting.
To answer your question for Saratoga Springs, what we see
more than anything, Rob, is that Saratoga from a guest
perspective is not like that first choice that people go
after. So like for guests, they're
mainly always going and looking for something that's in the
center of the action. So we get the highest number of
requests for like Polynesian. We get a crazy amount of
requests for Beach Club, but you can see the problem there, like
there's not enough points or owners at Beach Club to fulfill
all of those requests. So a lot of these people do come
back around and we try to then push them to resorts like
Saratoga. Really just explaining how it's
amazing. It's almost an escape from the
parks. But for that reason, since the
demand is not as high, we don't see as many requests within that
7 to 11 month window in which you would get a little bit more
of a premium payout for those points.
So I always say Saratoga points. I view both ways.
You can either rent them in that 7 to 11 month window if the
opportunity comes up at Saratoga, but more likely you're
going to be renting. Those points within that zero to
seven month window when you can use them at those other legacy
properties that if you're buying resale that you can use.
The points at people who rent points are typically your, you
know, like once in a lifetime trip or maybe once every few
years trip. So they want to be closer to the
parks. You know, they don't.
They don't see the value in those quiet resorts as we do as
DVC members. But yeah, that's something to
keep in mind. I do want to highlight because
I'm hoping you knew the answer to this, Mary Chin 5516 said.
I can't find any information on the condo association meeting
for Disneyland Villas. Did I miss it?
Do you know when the Disneyland Villas condo meeting is?
Sue, if you are an owner, you can head to the Disney Vacation
Club website and under condo notices there should be a list
of when all of those meetings were.
I don't know that it's still on there only because I know
registration for meetings closed last Thursday, I believe it was.
So registration for the meetings is now closed, but I assume that
that meeting is probably Tuesday because they're doing a Grand
Cal meeting on Tuesday. So I would imagine and, and for
Grand Cal and for Disneyland hotel, they do meetings on both
coasts. So, so they, there is a meeting
that occurs in California and there's a meeting that occurs
here at the Contemporary with all of the other condo
association meetings, so. Mason.
Keel asked. You guys hold any events at
Disney the weekend before the cruise?
Yes, that is in the works, yeah. Actually, it reminds me I need
to reach back out to our contact at Disney events because they
told me they were gonna get me some numbers and they haven't
done so. Surprise.
Anyhow, what's up with Disney now charging $500.00 for resale?
Back up about 1/2 hour I'd say and you'll get our entire thing.
I would also say you said you just put in an offer and was
told you have to pay that fee if you don't close before the end
of the year. Ask for clarification on that
because what we have heard is not that it's closing before the
end of the year, it's that as long as a contract is signed
before January 1st. So not the same guidance that we
have received at this point. So yeah, just ask for
clarification on that. But our understanding is that as
long as you have a signed contract before the end of the
year that has been submitted to Disney, then you should be good
to go. Thank, thank you all for the
congratulations. You know, it's, it's, it's
really exciting for for us, for our family and and you know, for
the company as a whole. So.
Rebecca, the last name I can't pronounce.
Looking to be a hybrid owner. Does Disney give more or better
discounts on direct if you are already a current member?
Basically questioning what to do first, Buy resale or buy direct?
Typically they do, especially with new resorts if you're
already an owner regardless of if it's resale or not.
So if you're looking like I'm gonna buy Lakeshore Lodge, then
definitely if you already own, there's a window where first
current owners can buy. Those are usually the best
discounts and then they open it up to the general public.
But depending on your window, you know, might decipher what
you buy first. It might not always be the case,
but it's it's definitely almost always the case with new
resorts. I don't really want to answer
this question for multiple reasons, but it starts with Mr.
President and I'll just, I'll just embarrass myself in public.
Why not? Amy's resorted to calling me Pee
pee around the House President. Paul.
Stands for President Paul, so yeah it.
Just, you know, that's in so many ways, I'm just kidding.
Right. Plans to expand the swap program
there's yeah, I mean, this is this is beyond just what you
know, me as, as, as the new president of of rental store,
but I've already had multiple conversations about this.
We really want to bring in some other cruise lines.
Amy and I are going on our first Virgin Voyages cruise next year.
We're excited about that, but yeah, I, I, you know, there's
definite interest and really just kind of blowing up the swap
program as much as we can. Obviously we want to do it
strategically so that we, you know, provide the greatest level
of service to you, all our members that are looking to
utilize it. But definite plans in the works
to kind of add more vacation destinations and everything like
that. Cynthia, when we'll be finding
out tentative list of events on the group cruise.
It's probably going to be a while still again, we're we're,
you know, seven months away from that actual plan.
And so just kind of trying to nail down everything.
We want to plan a lot earlier than the companies that we're
working with want to plan. You know, I, I use the example
of, you know, our Oktoberfest dessert party, you know, for,
for Disney or for real Caribbean.
For those people, they care about what's happening tomorrow
or later this week because this is a daily occurrence for them.
Whereas for us, we're, we're, we're just like we want, we want
the details, we want to plan. And so they do not move
necessarily as fast as we want to.
Yeah, as quickly as. Even when we booked our block
for Hoop Dee Doo, you know, we were ready to to hand over a
check and and get that book for our community as soon as
possible. You know, we were asking
several, several, several months in advance and they weren't
willing to even begin to secure that block until they said a
little bit before the 60 day window.
And honestly, like they even didn't even get it to us until I
feel like the 60 day window for many people had already come and
gone. So yeah, unfortunately you know,
when you work with some of these larger corporations, whether it
be Disney events or even Royal Caribbean or whoever, you know,
you kind of have to operate on their timeline.
And so as soon as we have everything completely you know
locked in, but we are getting a lot accomplished especially with
the with the group cruise. So Rob, you has to follow up
here just related to do you receive a less dollar amount in
that zero to seven month window? So again I go back to kind of
the the mindset of supply and demand.
So Saratoga Springs for example, usually even within that 7 to 11
month window, we're only talking about maybe one or $2.00 per
point difference. So it's not a huge difference as
compared to some of the other more in demand resorts, which is
why I normally say if you find a rental opportunity in that zero
to seven month window, take it rather than kind of waiting and
waiting for maybe that that Saratoga Springs opportunity to
come up. Obviously we want you to get the
most value for your points as possible, but I just don't want
you waiting for a Saratoga guest request that may never
materialize for those points. So I that's why I say in the
zero to seven month window. And yes, there is, it is a
little bit of a lower payout within that that time frame just
because of the lack of availability.
But the on the flip side, you know, you're getting points for
less because Saratoga is one of the yeah, one of the ones we
usually call Saratoga sleep around points, which means, you
know, you buy them to use them mostly at the 711 or the seven,
the zero month window. But you know, unless you really,
really love Saratoga, if you really, really care about where
you stay, it might be worth, you know, buying a property that you
want to stay at. And I think is, you know, since
the new island tower is Polynesian still the most
popular rental out there. If you're looking like oh I want
a good resort, but I want if I can't use them, I want to be
able to rent them easily. Yeah, Polynesian is definitely
one of the most popular for multiple reasons.
The point charts are accessible. The the studios are incredible,
like the the Longhouse studios. The fact that you basically have
two bathrooms in there are absolutely awesome.
You know, so there's just a large demand for that and
there's a large number of studios there, which is why we
see I think a higher. Yeah.
And then the other thing you want to consider when you're
looking at which resort to buy, you know, it's easy to look at
the immediate change, you know, the immediate cost, but looking
at those long term costs. So also incorporating the annual
dues into your research, you know what I mean?
Because even if you're paying a little more for a different
resort, but if the annual dues are, you know, a good bit less
than over time, that resort is going to have a better value.
DVC resale market puts out it's, I don't know if it's quarterly
or, you know, seasonally or when, but they put out in their
blogs. If you go to
dvcresalemarket.com, you click on blogs in the corner and you
search for, it's usually called like most economic resort.
And so they basically rate the resorts at that time by
economics. So they take into effect, you
know, cost per average, cost per point, the annual dues cost, and
then the length of contract because that's also a factor in
the value. You know what I mean?
How long is this contract going to last?
And so they take those all into consideration and then they and
then they rank them. The only thing you need to keep
in mind when you look at those rankings is like Riviera has
been coming out kind of on top, but then you do have those
resale restrictions for Riviera. So that might change the value
for you. Yeah, BBC resale market agent
Scotty Kauffman writes those quarterly and a little Birdie
told me last week that I think the the most recent version of
that might be coming out here later in December.
So stay on the lookout for that. We're going to be here for
probably about 10 to 15 more minutes.
So if you do have any questions, go ahead and put them in the
chat, even if they're just kind of random questions like what's
your favorite holiday cookie or what is the best, you know, side
dish to go with Christmas dinner or how do you cook a Turkey?
Any of those questions we will be happy to answer.
Did get a let's see, a question from CJ H Thank you for
answering my last question. Offer on Saratoga purchase
$90.00 per point was accepted. Chances Disney will exercise
their roofer on it. Another shout out to the blog at
the BBC Resale Market. This guy pee pee.
Please no. He does a month, I'm going.
To turn down the job now. He, he does a monthly blog, it's
called the right of first refusal report.
If you go to dbcresalemarket.com, click on
blogs, it's probably one of the more recent ones because it
comes out around the 1st of the month every month and it is a
detailed analysis of Disney's right of first refusal activity
as it relates to DBC resale market.
Who is one of, you know, The Who is the largest, you know, in the
market. So it is it does represent a
majority of the market and it's going to show you each resort
for and it goes back, you know, he says the whole year.
So each resort, the highest price per point that Disney has
bought back the last month and every month before that, how
many contracts Disney brought back and just just a really good
analysis of all of that. So head to dvcresalemarket.com,
click on blog, search for that Ready for Us refusal blog and
you will have all that data at your fingertips there to help
you make an informed decision on that serotypic contract.
Direct answer to your question. You can also access it from DVC
fans to dvcfan.com. You should see it there also and
that will take you over to the resale market site.
To answer your question, we didn't see last month did not
see any Saratoga roofers, I believe and I don't believe I've
seen any so far this month in December.
The the ultimate answer has to be you just don't know.
At the end of the day, you don't know what they're looking for.
You don't know what they're looking to bundle with points
that they currently have because a lot of method methodology for
them. There's, there's multiple
different reasons that they row for.
One is the value, the price per point, but there's also a part
of that relates to the unit that the points are associated to
because that is something that I do believe cannot be changed.
So let's say that Disney is sitting on 75 points for Unit 5B
at Saratoga and the contract that you're looking to purchase
is 200 points and they have someone that's looking to buy
250 points. They can bundle those two
together once they actually row for that.
So we see reasoning that they row for for that above and
beyond the price. Price is the ultimate factor,
but you know, ultimately we don't know.
Can you? Scroll up above Lauren's to one
more that one Lee Russo. I I want to address that.
I know that you would have something to say, but I think I
think that my thinking might be correct, but you can correct me
if I'm wrong. He asked how does the $500
affect rental prices? And my answer to that would be
that it likely will not. So from the standpoint of
rentals, you have to look at pricing for rentals based on
guests. And most guests are not DVC
members. So you can't think about they're
not going into this going, oh, I'm going to rent DVC points.
I wonder what the annual dues are for this resort and this
that. They don't know any of that and
they don't care about any of that.
What they care about is, is this is this rental for this DVC
property at let's say Polynesian going to save me money versus
going to Disney and purchasing that room directly through
Disney. So rental cost are a supply and
demand based on the guests and a lot of what can dictate that is
what Disney is charging, what kind of deals they have, what
kind of offers they have and discounts they have on their
direct pricing of deluxe resorts in general or even just resorts
across the board. And that's what's going to
affect rental prices. Anything related to the cost of
ownership and annual dues and closing costs are not going to
have any kind of effect on the rental market, the ability to
rent points because guests don't look at those things.
They don't care about those things.
That's First Lady Amy Krieger, ladies and gentlemen, which if
she calls me Pee pee, I'm going to abbreviate as FAC.
First Lady Amy Krieger. There you go.
The FAC, the facts from FAC Wow. But yes, everything she said
there was very true. I, I think we have to, we have
to pay close attention to obviously the value for members.
That's very important to be cognizant of and we always are
striving to provide the highest value possible to members given
the market conditions. But those market conditions
ultimately are driven by Disney. So you've seen Disney in the
past year do things such as free dining because they're
struggling to book rooms direct. You've seen them continue to
offer a lot of offers even earlier than ever headed into
2026. All of those things drive down
that direct room cost value. And to Amy's point, that is what
those guests are coming to us for.
So to bring the guests in the door, the pricing must be
competitive with what Disney's offering or else those people
are just going to look direct with Disney.
So that is the ultimate thing that we look at.
Yes, we look at all of these metrics when we make decisions.
But you know, I don't believe that that that $500 fee is
really gonna gonna kind of move, move the needle too much there.
So let's see. Somebody asked and I like this
one. All these these handles GOUSC
OO7. What is your favorite place to
have a nice steak dinner in the Epcot area?
If we're oh, that's hard if we're sitting Epcot area.
So to me, Epcot area encompasses the resort area.
Yeah, that's, that's what I think.
And and obviously Epcot. Don't go to Epcot.
My reasoning for that is if you're paying to go to a nice
steak dinner, you want to go somewhere that's a little bit
nicer, that's out of a theme. Park.
I like Lascellier, but it is like it is a theme park
restaurant and at the end of the day, it's not going to be like a
fancy, fancy date night, you know, and.
It's cacophonous like a dungeon I feel like.
That was a good word. There are windows.
It is like a it's like a cellar, yeah.
So my gut goes to two different places.
I would say my my first option would be flying Fish on the
Boardwalk. They do have they have an
amazing strip steak over there. And then the the steakhouse that
can't be beat, I think is the Yachtsman.
Yeah, we've and, and honestly, Otzman has some mixed reviews.
We've had really good experiences there.
There is a new steakhouse that took the place of no, I I'm not
going to, I'm not going to do it.
I'm not, no, but what is it? What what was the original 1
called? I can't even remember it.
Shoeless. Shoeless.
We used to like shoeless. And then we had just a really
crap experience at Sheila's where the bill was insanely high
and so. Is your definition of high end
steakhouse where it's like, we're not going to tell you how
much this aged rib eye is? Tula's is gone and it's been
replaced by bourbon. I'm guessing it's going to be a
very similar, but if you've eaten a bourbon steak, let us
know, but expect it to be expensive.
I agree with Paul on Flying Fish.
And what was the other one that you said?
Oh, Yotsman. Yeah, we we've enjoyed Yotsman.
So. Let's see here what else we have
flying down next week for my daughter's 10th birth birthday.
Can the new president please keep chilly weather away?
Unfortunately, I'm not the president until January 1st, so
would tell you that any, any weather before then is not my
responsibility. But it's been it's been pretty
reasonable down here right now. A.
Little chill, so it feels a little Christmasy.
Us Floridian. Not if you're coming from the.
Like a little. Any anywhere up north, right?
Now OK, but it's not our. Family is freezing.
It's gonna be that cold. It never gets that cold here.
But still, you want you want nice weather if you're coming
down here for a vacation. I get it, I hope.
The weather is amazing. For you, Yeah, Yep.
Let's see. Do we think Disney will tighten
resale restrictions in 20/26/27? Initial concern with the wording
regarding renting points, I don't think, yeah.
I think you're asking two different things here.
So I'm not quite sure if you're asking about resale or rental.
I don't think any further tightening of resale
restrictions are going to happen.
I just think you're going to see them continue with this process.
Everyone keeps saying, oh, they're going to get rid of them
eventually. I'm here to tell you they're
not. You know, at this point they've
doubled down on them. Also the direction they're
moving with the Palmetto Trust and moving Vacation Club
interest into a trust formation just kind of furthers those
efforts. So unfortunately resale
restrictions are here to stay Regarding the rental rules that
happened earlier this past year. You know, at this point in time,
they, they, they remain what they are.
And it remains to be seen kind of what kind of enforcement
Disney Vacation Club plans to do with that.
But I think that the intent that the, the, the new rules have
come out with kind of you're, you're seeing small little
motions of what they're trying to do.
I think the Animal Kingdom Jambo house point chart for 2027 is
acknowledgement of the fact that there's been complaints
regarding people walking or renting those value
accommodation or those club level reservations.
And so they're going to make them more expensive.
So maybe if there's any long term plan or shift here, it's
just rebalancing the charts where it's not as lucrative for
certain rooms over others to for commercial renters to attack.
But you know, at the end of the day, renting is still allowable
by all of the guidelines of Disney Vacation Club.
You can rent your Disney Vacation Club points.
So that remains to be on the Disney Vacation Club website.
If you search renting points, it says it right there.
So just keep that, keep that in mind.
Let's see. I'm not sure I understand this
question. YT dash VAIM Looking to buy my
first DVC contract direct for the benefits as the current
promo is ending and another is possibly around the corner.
What's the best way around this without getting hit by FOMO?
Yeah. So the current incentives I
believe are set to expire next Wednesday.
So if you are looking at the current direct contract benefits
and are interested in purchasing, the recommendation
would be to buy early next week in that contract early next week
because you do have a 10 day rescission period.
So you have a 10 day window in which you can actually cancel
that that purchase and then. Get other incentives are better.
And get the new pricing that comes out.
And I would also just say anyone that is looking to buy right
now, this is going to be your best time to do so, whether it
be this round of incentives or whatever comes out here next
week. Because historically, Disney
Vacation Club in January has increased prices across the
board for actively selling properties, even sold out
properties that they continue to sell points for.
So those prices will go up come January.
I would expect to see that come out yet again.
And I would almost imagine that that might be part of their
marketing plan when they actually announce whatever the
final incentives of the year are.
So Andrew J Prescott actually mentioned Bull and Bear when we
were talking about steak houses. We have, we have loved Bull and
Bear. It is definitely a little like a
little bit more of an expensive fine dining experience, but it
is a good one. It's opened back since they did
their kind of reef. You're right, it's been a while.
So if you're curious about Bull and Bear, it is pretty much on
Disney property, but it's located over at the Waldorf
Astoria. So is that that like Bonnet
Creek area of hotels? And it is a really, really great
restaurant. I would not go there for the
steak. I go there for the fried
chicken, which sounds crazy, but they've got this really amazing
kind of fancy fried chicken and mashed potatoes.
It is delicious. But yeah, we haven't been there
for a while but Bowling Bear is is also a good choice.
Someone else said Fogo to Chao. We have a gift card to Fogo to
Chao that we have had for like 4 years and we have not used it
yet but someday we are going to use it and try that place out.
We actually had a reservation for Valentine's Day and then we
decided we were tired and we cancelled it and stayed home.
Made a pizza? Yeah, I mean, probably made a
frozen pizza, but yeah, someday we will try that.
There's been a couple people about, you know, again about the
$500 resale contract fee. Head back to the beginning of
this video. It's first thing we actually
talk about, but again, general understanding and based off of
guidance that we received from Disney Vacation Club overnight,
any contract that is signed and submitted before January 1st to
Disney will not have that $500 fee.
So if you're in the process right now, if it's already been
submitted, if you're already kind of started that process,
you should not have to pay that that $500 fee.
Yes I want to say hello to Vito dot Canada.
I said hello guys. I just found your YouTube
Channel 2 weeks ago and love everything I saw so far.
I really marathon your videos, everything.
I will buy one of your contracts.
We are in Ottawa, Canada. Just want to say hello.
Thank you for finding our channel and watching our shows.
If my voice gets annoying after watching it for so long, that's
on you. Let's see what else before we
head out. Talk to me about Aulani.
What can't we miss? I did see in the conversation
and I never put this together, but I will say so.
Michael Mina Restaurants. Mina's fish House.
Someone mentioned Mina's fish House.
That is probably our favorite in in Aulani.
It is right next door in The Four Seasons.
You can walk right over. The atmosphere is stunning.
They've got these beautiful lights and fire pits and torches
and it's right on the water and it's like, and I recommend going
at sunset. That's like the best, that's
perfect. But the food and the service is
top. Notch and I'm already in Hawaii
so I expect to be robbed in price at that point so it
doesn't matter as much. Someone also in the comments
just recently put, you know, it basically super expensive at at
the Bourbon Steakhouse. So yeah, it sounds like pricing
has not really changed. I'm sure it is.
Which those those restaurants, that kind of restaurant is made
for the convention crowd that comes to Swan and Dolphin.
Also at Aulani, as you can tell, we mostly think about food.
Also at Aulani the great across the street from Milani is a, is
a store, I think it's called ABC.
And it's just like a little like convenient food gift shop.
They have some really amazing like build your own poke, very
fresh fish and things like that in that store.
So I definitely recommend walking over there.
And then if you are someone that like us, that like we don't,
we're not really experienced snorkelers.
And so, but we wanted to try it. They have the rainbow wreath at
Aulani and you can buy a day, a single day pass, but we
recommend buying like the, the length of stay pass, which isn't
much more so that you can visit it, you know, kind of as many
times as you want, but it's just like a little snorkeling little
area. It's like a pool and it's just a
really accessible way for you and your kids.
It's a snorkel to see fish. It's very safe.
It's right there on property. It's very cold in that pool, but
it is so cool. It was, it was a lot of fun.
So I definitely recommend saving some money so you can buy a pass
to the Rainbow Reef at Aulani. We haven't been to Aulani since,
gosh, 2021. And I unfortunately was ended up
at the in the hospital in Honolulu because I was ill.
So that was our trip. We didn't get to do as much as
as as we wanted to do when during that trip.
So this this comment that just came in I'm I'm Googling it as
I'm reading the comment, but Duke's is where we had a
reservation. We had a reservation in Waikiki
Waikiki and had to cancel it because I didn't.
So they're putting in a new concept called the Cove opening
in Koalina near Aulani. That's very cool.
That will be very cool. Yeah.
Thank you for sharing that with us.
Person whose handle I can't pronounce.
That's the story of every handle that you've read tonight, so.
Far. I need names, people, yeah.
So we're dying to go back to Aulani.
We really, we really need to get back there.
I don't think 2026 is going to be the year as much as I'd like
to kind of squeeze a trip on there.
If there's any chance, I'm kind of looking at if we can somehow
squeeze it into D 23 because I believe that Amy and I are
headed out to Anaheim for D. 23. And if I could somehow even even
two or three days just to just to.
Be on. Properties and we need content,
right? We desperately need updated
content for. A long, so desperately.
That is my that's on my wish list for for next year, but I
know there's a lot of other things in the works, you know,
also coming. Yeah, I think, I think we need
to take our dogs for a walk. OK.
Well, I just want to thank you all for spending part of your
Saturday morning with us here to talk through some of the news.
And if you've not done so, head back to the beginning of the
video. If you came on a little bit
late, we talked about the $500 contract fee that's coming to
resale purchases come January 1st.
We talked about point charts and the amazing point calculator and
tool that been created as part of our team here.
And we hope you use it and we hope that you benefit from it.
And if you, if you have any feedback, feel free to send it
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getting into, but we'll make sure that we share it with you
over there. Yeah, and I I'm seeing some more
questions rolling in. I'm so sorry we didn't get to
them after the video post which maybe might be Monday the.
Video will go up immediately. OK, immediately on the channel,
so the the live comments kind of go away into a different spot.
So if we missed your question, put it on the video after it
officially posts on YouTube. And I will personally answer
your question sometime this week, I promise.
So please put your question on there after the video posts.
I'm sorry if we didn't get to it.
Just give her all kinds of random questions.
Just every single random. Question.
Lay it on me. I'm ready.
Lay it on. Me thanks for Thanks for doing a
live stream with. Me this morning.
It was fun. Yeah, it was.
It was a good time. Thank you guys for joining us.
All right, that's going to do it for this episode of the DVC
Show. Again, this takes place of our
Monday episode this week with the holidays.
We got people all over the place, but we'll be back with
you the following week with our regularly scheduled programming.
But we hope you all are having a wonderful, wonderful holiday
season and we will see you in the next one.