1 00:00:07,400 --> 00:00:13,920 Welcome to your debarture on this crossover episode. 2 00:00:13,920 --> 00:00:17,840 I joined Debbie on her podcast True Crime University to provide 3 00:00:17,840 --> 00:00:20,960 some voice over work in the role of William Bonnen for this 4 00:00:20,960 --> 00:00:25,280 episode on The Freeway Killer. This is your professor Debbie. 5 00:00:25,400 --> 00:00:29,080 Welcome to True Crime University where we have intellectual 6 00:00:29,080 --> 00:00:32,600 discussions about crime. This is a class for mature 7 00:00:32,600 --> 00:00:36,080 audiences with mature language and subject matter. 8 00:00:36,440 --> 00:00:42,040 I have a PhD in criminal justice and 17 years experience in the 9 00:00:42,040 --> 00:00:46,920 law enforcement field and I am happy to share my knowledge with 10 00:00:46,920 --> 00:00:51,160 you. Hello class, How is everybody? 11 00:00:52,320 --> 00:00:55,320 Hopefully everybody is ready to get into this. 12 00:00:55,960 --> 00:01:03,280 Part three of the William Bonnen case started out was going to be 13 00:01:03,280 --> 00:01:07,480 a summer blockbuster and then it became kind of a Halloween, 14 00:01:07,480 --> 00:01:12,640 October blockbuster and it's November 3rd and we're nowhere 15 00:01:12,640 --> 00:01:15,440 near the end. So this is going to be just like 16 00:01:15,440 --> 00:01:20,880 a end of 2023 blockbuster. Just an item of the business 17 00:01:20,880 --> 00:01:25,720 before we get into this horrific tale here. 18 00:01:26,880 --> 00:01:31,120 I may or may not have Patreon up and running by the time you hear 19 00:01:31,120 --> 00:01:34,560 this, but please consider I hate to beg. 20 00:01:34,960 --> 00:01:37,560 I hate to sound like somebody's mother. 21 00:01:38,320 --> 00:01:41,480 You know how moms are always like or mine was what do you 22 00:01:41,480 --> 00:01:44,000 mean you want this or that? Do you think money grows on 23 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:45,720 trees? Everything costs money. 24 00:01:46,800 --> 00:01:50,400 Well, podcasting costs a lot of money, unfortunately. 25 00:01:51,200 --> 00:01:55,880 So just to help pay the bills around the classroom, please 26 00:01:55,880 --> 00:01:58,960 consider joining Patreon. You get shit. 27 00:01:58,960 --> 00:02:00,960 It's just not like you're giving me money. 28 00:02:01,480 --> 00:02:03,600 You actually get stuff in return. 29 00:02:04,240 --> 00:02:08,759 And today we're going to be talking about the murders. 30 00:02:09,320 --> 00:02:11,720 There's quite a bit of them. I don't know if we're going to 31 00:02:11,720 --> 00:02:15,400 get through all of them, but major trigger warning, of 32 00:02:15,400 --> 00:02:17,640 course. These are murders, No. 33 00:02:17,640 --> 00:02:22,200 Murders are like clean and polite, I don't think, But these 34 00:02:22,200 --> 00:02:26,640 ones are especially graphic and they involve torture, all that 35 00:02:26,640 --> 00:02:30,840 kind of nasty stuff. So you know how I get into 36 00:02:30,840 --> 00:02:34,920 details? And the victims are, well, they 37 00:02:34,920 --> 00:02:38,000 were between 12 and 19, so basically kids. 38 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:42,040 And if if you don't think you can handle that, don't listen, 39 00:02:42,080 --> 00:02:44,480 because this is going to be disturbing. 40 00:02:45,160 --> 00:02:48,640 And about the victims, unfortunately, since this 41 00:02:48,640 --> 00:02:54,160 happened so long ago, I don't know very much about them, but 42 00:02:54,600 --> 00:02:57,040 I'll tell you everything I do know about them. 43 00:02:57,480 --> 00:03:02,760 I found, as it always is, more information on some than others. 44 00:03:03,160 --> 00:03:08,880 So I do know enough to create kind of AI always like to, when 45 00:03:08,880 --> 00:03:12,120 I'm listening to a podcast and they talk about the victim, I 46 00:03:12,120 --> 00:03:16,440 like to picture them in my head. And hopefully I have enough here 47 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:21,600 and from information on them plus their pictures that you can 48 00:03:21,720 --> 00:03:26,440 relate to them and kind of imagine in your head what 49 00:03:26,440 --> 00:03:28,320 they're doing or what they went through. 50 00:03:28,880 --> 00:03:32,800 And as usual, I'm going to tell everything in chronological 51 00:03:32,800 --> 00:03:36,360 order. Remember last episode I had you? 52 00:03:36,360 --> 00:03:39,560 And to write down how many months do you think Bonnen can 53 00:03:39,560 --> 00:03:43,760 be out of prison before he attacks somebody? 54 00:03:44,320 --> 00:03:49,280 And we left off in 1978. Bonnen got out of prison in 55 00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:52,440 October 1978. He moved into the apartment 56 00:03:52,440 --> 00:03:56,120 complex. So an other dude that lived in 57 00:03:56,120 --> 00:03:59,480 this complex is going to be kind of a a pivotal character here. 58 00:03:59,920 --> 00:04:04,840 Now this dude lived in the same apartment complex as Bonnen did, 59 00:04:05,280 --> 00:04:10,480 and he was 43 at the time. His name was Everett, but he 60 00:04:10,480 --> 00:04:15,160 went by Scott Frazier. He was 12 years older than Bonn 61 00:04:15,160 --> 00:04:19,160 and who at this time was 31. There's not a whole bunch of 62 00:04:19,160 --> 00:04:23,280 information on him, but what he did was he lived in this 63 00:04:23,280 --> 00:04:27,280 apartment complex and it it seems like every night he would 64 00:04:27,280 --> 00:04:31,400 have, I don't know if I want to use the word party, he would 65 00:04:31,400 --> 00:04:33,600 have guests, let's put it that way. 66 00:04:34,160 --> 00:04:39,600 And most of these guests were younger than himself and of the 67 00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:42,520 male variety, if you can see where this is going. 68 00:04:43,120 --> 00:04:45,880 And there were always people there. 69 00:04:46,200 --> 00:04:51,240 He got beer and other alcohol for the underage people and 70 00:04:51,240 --> 00:04:55,600 drugs were part of this scene also. 71 00:04:56,360 --> 00:05:01,840 And this reminds me of when I was OK, I don't know, 2020, 72 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:03,840 whatever. There was somebody in my 73 00:05:03,840 --> 00:05:06,520 neighborhood. He was a a dude. 74 00:05:06,520 --> 00:05:09,240 He was like, I don't know, maybe in his 30s. 75 00:05:09,280 --> 00:05:13,080 He lived in my neighborhood. It was him and his wife, and 76 00:05:13,480 --> 00:05:18,720 very often they would have guests that were underage. 77 00:05:18,720 --> 00:05:22,840 And I don't mean like 1314, I mean like 20, like below the 78 00:05:22,840 --> 00:05:26,040 drinking age. And this guy would supply booze 79 00:05:26,040 --> 00:05:28,560 for everybody. And I think there were probably 80 00:05:28,560 --> 00:05:32,160 some drugs there too. And I went there once. 81 00:05:32,160 --> 00:05:36,120 It was this dude and his wife. There wasn't anything like 82 00:05:36,120 --> 00:05:39,920 creepy or untoward going on, But. 83 00:05:39,920 --> 00:05:43,440 Well, other than the fact that he's supplying minors with 84 00:05:43,840 --> 00:05:46,960 alcohol, which probably is not a very good idea. 85 00:05:47,600 --> 00:05:51,280 And I asked my mom, like, do you remember, you know, this dude? 86 00:05:51,280 --> 00:05:54,400 And she's like, yeah. And I said he obviously wasn't 87 00:05:54,400 --> 00:05:57,160 like a pedophile or, you know, he's married. 88 00:05:57,240 --> 00:06:00,400 He wasn't, like, hitting on any of the young people. 89 00:06:00,400 --> 00:06:02,680 Like, why do you think he did this? 90 00:06:03,160 --> 00:06:08,040 And she said, I don't know, maybe he maybe it made him feel 91 00:06:08,040 --> 00:06:11,080 young again. I was like, hmm, that's that's 92 00:06:11,080 --> 00:06:13,720 interesting. Maybe if you surround yourself 93 00:06:13,720 --> 00:06:15,920 with younger people, you do feel young. 94 00:06:15,920 --> 00:06:21,040 Maybe that's what this Scott Frazier was doing, I don't know. 95 00:06:21,040 --> 00:06:26,760 But it seems that there was a little more of a sexual motive 96 00:06:26,760 --> 00:06:32,600 because he was, I guess, openly gay and he liked having the 97 00:06:32,760 --> 00:06:39,400 younger men or youth there. He also at one time worked as a 98 00:06:39,400 --> 00:06:42,680 bank officer. And that's kind of all I know 99 00:06:42,680 --> 00:06:44,760 about him. And I do want to make this 100 00:06:44,760 --> 00:06:50,040 clear, He never partook in any of Bonnen's crimes. 101 00:06:50,360 --> 00:06:55,000 He was, I think, vaguely aware that he might have been into 102 00:06:55,000 --> 00:06:59,360 some shit. But when Bonnen got arrested, he 103 00:06:59,440 --> 00:07:03,400 came to the police and told him everything that he knew about 104 00:07:03,400 --> 00:07:07,160 him. Scott described Bonnen as polite 105 00:07:07,160 --> 00:07:12,240 and Placid, and they would share stories of sex with teenage boys 106 00:07:13,520 --> 00:07:16,320 and teenage. I don't know if that means above 107 00:07:16,320 --> 00:07:21,760 the age of consent or not. So in November 1978, I honestly 108 00:07:21,760 --> 00:07:25,000 don't know how Bonnen gets these girlfriends or where he meets 109 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:28,320 them, but he met a married mother. 110 00:07:28,800 --> 00:07:32,480 Yeah, he, his girlfriend was married and they used to go 111 00:07:32,480 --> 00:07:35,160 roller skating in Anaheim on Sundays. 112 00:07:35,160 --> 00:07:38,960 Then they would go to church, which you got to get your church 113 00:07:38,960 --> 00:07:40,880 in. You know, if if you're going to 114 00:07:40,880 --> 00:07:45,640 be raping and killing, going to get that church day in there, do 115 00:07:45,640 --> 00:07:49,280 something sarcastic. And they also went bowling and 116 00:07:49,520 --> 00:07:53,360 her kids would go too. So Needless to say, it wasn't 117 00:07:53,360 --> 00:07:59,000 long before Bonnen found out that these parties or gatherings 118 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:03,040 occurred at Scott Frazier's apartment, and they were full of 119 00:08:03,040 --> 00:08:05,680 his favorite kind of people, young dudes. 120 00:08:06,280 --> 00:08:11,760 And it was here that he would meet two of his accomplices in 121 00:08:11,760 --> 00:08:15,360 his murder spree. That's right, too, if you can 122 00:08:15,360 --> 00:08:20,240 believe there are a total of 4 accomplices that he will have. 123 00:08:20,600 --> 00:08:24,120 And I mentioned earlier that that's what fascinates me the 124 00:08:24,120 --> 00:08:27,560 most about this case. Not born in himself, because 125 00:08:27,600 --> 00:08:31,040 really he's just a garden variety sadistic sexual 126 00:08:31,040 --> 00:08:35,400 predator, but the fact that he had managed to get four other 127 00:08:35,400 --> 00:08:40,320 young men to help him torture, kill and dump off victims is 128 00:08:40,880 --> 00:08:44,400 very amazing. Like, how old does this happen? 129 00:08:44,400 --> 00:08:46,160 How do all these people come together? 130 00:08:46,680 --> 00:08:51,800 And I'm going to try my best to tell the story in chronological 131 00:08:51,800 --> 00:08:55,120 order, introduce these characters as they come in. 132 00:08:55,480 --> 00:08:58,880 And then in psychology I will try and put it all together. 133 00:08:58,880 --> 00:09:02,800 Like how did this happen? How did all these people get 134 00:09:02,800 --> 00:09:06,320 involved in this activity? And the first of these 135 00:09:06,320 --> 00:09:11,560 characters I do mean character was Vernon Robert Butts. 136 00:09:11,720 --> 00:09:17,080 He went by Vern at this time, he was 21 and the newspaper 137 00:09:17,080 --> 00:09:20,000 described him as this is the perfect quote. 138 00:09:20,320 --> 00:09:22,320 And it's so funny because it's a newspaper. 139 00:09:22,560 --> 00:09:26,320 But they called him a quote lowlife drifter. 140 00:09:26,640 --> 00:09:30,920 And there's not really a better way to describe him. 141 00:09:31,320 --> 00:09:34,960 He reminds, if there's any fellow scooby-doo fans out 142 00:09:34,960 --> 00:09:39,320 there, this is like the come to life version of Shaggy. 143 00:09:39,400 --> 00:09:42,600 Remember, he's skinny. He's got like long hair. 144 00:09:42,880 --> 00:09:45,160 He's like that, you know. Hey, man. 145 00:09:45,760 --> 00:09:48,640 And the joke is that he was always high. 146 00:09:49,000 --> 00:09:53,840 Well, he reminds me an awful lot of Shaggy, only he's not really 147 00:09:53,960 --> 00:09:56,880 laid back and cool and harmless as we're going to see. 148 00:09:57,600 --> 00:10:02,440 He came from a quote UN quote broken home, as do many people. 149 00:10:02,800 --> 00:10:07,080 He was raised in the towns of Lynnwood and then later he lived 150 00:10:07,080 --> 00:10:10,360 in Norwalk. He was 9 when his dad died and 151 00:10:10,360 --> 00:10:13,600 this supposedly had a very bad effect on him. 152 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:17,960 He was described as shy and easily LED. 153 00:10:18,080 --> 00:10:22,840 So write that down or remember that easily LED, because it's 154 00:10:22,840 --> 00:10:26,720 going to become important. The way that he was described as 155 00:10:26,720 --> 00:10:31,520 a kid sounds a lot like the descriptions of wanted, a loner, 156 00:10:31,800 --> 00:10:36,600 bullied by other people. Odd just kind of was into weird 157 00:10:36,600 --> 00:10:39,520 things, you know? Was known as that weird kid. 158 00:10:39,920 --> 00:10:43,280 And he apparently had mental health issues. 159 00:10:43,280 --> 00:10:44,840 Exactly what? I don't know. 160 00:10:45,280 --> 00:10:48,480 But he had attempted suicide three times before he met 161 00:10:48,480 --> 00:10:52,760 Bonham. He was also in and out of mental 162 00:10:52,760 --> 00:10:56,000 institution, psychiatric hospitals, whatever you want to 163 00:10:56,000 --> 00:11:00,400 call them, and jail. And one of the prosecutors would 164 00:11:00,400 --> 00:11:05,320 later kind of say jokingly that he was doing life in prison on 165 00:11:05,320 --> 00:11:08,160 the installment plan. And I think that's a a perfect 166 00:11:08,160 --> 00:11:10,680 way of putting it. Like, you know, he would go to 167 00:11:10,680 --> 00:11:14,600 jail, come out of jail for a while, go back, come out, you 168 00:11:14,600 --> 00:11:18,160 know, like a revolving door. I've known many people like 169 00:11:18,160 --> 00:11:20,440 that. And if you're wondering why he 170 00:11:20,440 --> 00:11:23,840 was described as eccentric, like what made him so eccentric? 171 00:11:23,840 --> 00:11:29,040 Well, he was into some things that a lot of people think is 172 00:11:29,040 --> 00:11:33,320 odd or strange. Witchcraft, the occult, dork 173 00:11:33,360 --> 00:11:35,880 things. I hate to mention this game 174 00:11:35,880 --> 00:11:38,760 because it it always comes up and it's so harmless. 175 00:11:38,760 --> 00:11:41,760 It's just a fucking game. Dungeons and Dragons. 176 00:11:42,000 --> 00:11:47,800 He'd probably know what that is and he would have weekly D&D 177 00:11:47,800 --> 00:11:52,560 parties at his house. He got also got born and 178 00:11:52,560 --> 00:11:57,800 involved in the game, and he also did this thing that I think 179 00:11:58,000 --> 00:12:00,320 sounds like a lot of fun. I would really like to 180 00:12:00,320 --> 00:12:04,440 participate in such a thing. He called the mystery parties 181 00:12:05,000 --> 00:12:09,600 and I wish I knew more about how they worked or or what went on, 182 00:12:09,960 --> 00:12:15,640 but supposedly he would hide shit around Downey like he 183 00:12:15,640 --> 00:12:19,320 called the murder artifacts and he would leave clues. 184 00:12:19,320 --> 00:12:23,040 It was like a scavenger hunt, clues to go to one location and 185 00:12:23,040 --> 00:12:26,920 find this clue. And one of the things was a 186 00:12:26,920 --> 00:12:29,560 hairpin, the other was an ice pick. 187 00:12:29,560 --> 00:12:34,640 And we're going to see later on that he has this thing about ice 188 00:12:34,640 --> 00:12:37,560 picks. Vern actually had two jobs. 189 00:12:37,880 --> 00:12:43,640 He worked at a porcelain manufacturing company and George 190 00:12:43,640 --> 00:12:47,880 Sattler, who was the owner of this factory, is called Santa Fe 191 00:12:47,880 --> 00:12:51,640 Springs. He gave Vern a job as a laborer 192 00:12:51,640 --> 00:12:53,920 there as a favor to Vern's stepdad. 193 00:12:54,280 --> 00:12:59,080 He described him as thin, pale and anemic looking, and said 194 00:12:59,080 --> 00:13:05,040 that during his breaks he would sit in his beat up Pinto smoking 195 00:13:05,040 --> 00:13:09,960 long stemmed pipes and in case you don't know what a Pinto is, 196 00:13:10,320 --> 00:13:13,520 yeah, who drove one of them? Lonnie fucking Franklin. 197 00:13:13,880 --> 00:13:18,040 It's like the serial killer called car and my mom's friend 198 00:13:18,040 --> 00:13:22,280 when I was a little kid had one and it was the ugliest Google 199 00:13:22,280 --> 00:13:25,600 One just for fun. The ugliest fucking car I have 200 00:13:25,760 --> 00:13:29,440 ever seen. And it it's just funny because 201 00:13:29,920 --> 00:13:33,840 it's said that he had a beat up Pinto and I don't know if there 202 00:13:33,840 --> 00:13:37,160 were any pintos that weren't beat up or pieces of shit 203 00:13:37,160 --> 00:13:43,400 because well, so his Co workers there described him as a loner 204 00:13:43,400 --> 00:13:48,280 and a weirdo and he would supposedly say strange things 205 00:13:48,280 --> 00:13:51,360 like you know, he had coffins, he slept in a coffin. 206 00:13:52,040 --> 00:13:55,600 I'm pretty sure that this was like a tension seeking behavior. 207 00:13:55,600 --> 00:14:00,400 Like I'm weird, look at or listen to my stories of the 208 00:14:00,400 --> 00:14:04,560 bizarre things that I do. Like he was kind of trying to 209 00:14:04,560 --> 00:14:10,520 stand out and wanted to be seen as somebody dark and eccentric 210 00:14:10,520 --> 00:14:13,720 and weird. And he definitely did a good job 211 00:14:13,720 --> 00:14:16,400 at it. He also had another job. 212 00:14:16,800 --> 00:14:20,680 This was at Knott's Berry Farm. That's an amusement park in 213 00:14:20,840 --> 00:14:24,120 Buena Park. He worked as a clerk in the 214 00:14:24,120 --> 00:14:27,480 magic store there. He told people that he was a 215 00:14:27,480 --> 00:14:31,240 magician, like he actually did shows at Knott's Berry Farm, but 216 00:14:31,240 --> 00:14:35,160 in actuality he was just a clerk in the store after all this came 217 00:14:35,160 --> 00:14:38,960 out, A spokesman for Knott's Berry Forum said they hired him 218 00:14:38,960 --> 00:14:45,560 as a salesperson in December of 78 and fired him in July of 79. 219 00:14:45,920 --> 00:14:50,800 They said he quote did not come up to Knott's standards and had 220 00:14:50,800 --> 00:14:54,840 quote, increasingly strange and unpredictable behavior. 221 00:14:55,160 --> 00:14:58,960 Also, it was mentioned that he had a problem with hygiene. 222 00:14:59,240 --> 00:15:03,560 So I I guess he stunk. He's like wanted like he well, I 223 00:15:03,560 --> 00:15:04,960 guess you would call him bisexual. 224 00:15:05,440 --> 00:15:09,280 He has a girl, he called her his girlfriend and her nickname was 225 00:15:09,280 --> 00:15:11,920 Katie. Supposedly the two of them 226 00:15:12,000 --> 00:15:15,160 belong to a satanic cult, or so they called it. 227 00:15:15,600 --> 00:15:21,800 They will go to Pagan festivals and graveyards, and he allegedly 228 00:15:21,800 --> 00:15:24,920 participated in black magic rituals. 229 00:15:25,520 --> 00:15:30,920 He liked horror fiction, which many other people do, and was 230 00:15:30,920 --> 00:15:34,560 into cosplay like he used to. He liked to wear costumes. 231 00:15:34,800 --> 00:15:38,440 He would often randomly appear dressed as Darth Vader. 232 00:15:38,600 --> 00:15:41,280 That was like I could think, a favorite costume of his. 233 00:15:41,640 --> 00:15:46,080 He had two coffins in his house, one was a coffee table and the 234 00:15:46,080 --> 00:15:49,440 other he used for a phone booth, and I mentioned he was in and 235 00:15:49,440 --> 00:15:53,080 out of jail. He had a long record of things 236 00:15:53,080 --> 00:15:58,480 like arson, burglary, and later a prosecutor would say that he 237 00:15:58,480 --> 00:16:02,120 thought Verne developed a fascination with sadistic 238 00:16:02,160 --> 00:16:06,040 homosexuality while in jail. And I mean, that's an 239 00:16:06,040 --> 00:16:07,800 interesting thought. Who knows? 240 00:16:08,240 --> 00:16:11,280 And this is a little bit disturbing, kind of like John 241 00:16:11,280 --> 00:16:16,680 Wayne Gacy, but he supposedly performed as a magician at small 242 00:16:16,680 --> 00:16:19,720 groups like kids, birthday parties and stuff like that. 243 00:16:20,080 --> 00:16:25,480 And one time he was doing a magic show at Warren High School 244 00:16:25,480 --> 00:16:29,920 in Downey. And I mean, OK, it's 1979, but 245 00:16:29,920 --> 00:16:32,920 why? This dude was in a school like 246 00:16:32,920 --> 00:16:34,760 today? That would not go over, I don't 247 00:16:34,760 --> 00:16:38,720 think. But at the school he met Scott 248 00:16:38,720 --> 00:16:42,320 Frazier. And why is Frazier at the high 249 00:16:42,320 --> 00:16:44,720 school, too? That's a little bit concerning 250 00:16:44,720 --> 00:16:48,840 because he's like 41 years old. Anyway, those two could become 251 00:16:48,840 --> 00:16:53,240 friendly. And Frazier introduces Vern and 252 00:16:53,240 --> 00:16:56,720 Bonnet. And they had this instant click 253 00:16:56,960 --> 00:17:02,160 like friends, but they also had a sexual relationship. 254 00:17:02,560 --> 00:17:05,800 So each one of them has a quote UN quote girlfriend. 255 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:09,280 But they also have a sexual relationship with each other. 256 00:17:09,839 --> 00:17:13,440 So Butts at first lived in an apartment on East Imperial 257 00:17:13,440 --> 00:17:15,640 Highway, which is a really, really long road. 258 00:17:15,640 --> 00:17:19,119 I I looked at it close to the apartments where Bonnen and 259 00:17:19,119 --> 00:17:23,599 Frazier lived, but he was kicked out of it in 1979 for making a 260 00:17:23,599 --> 00:17:26,400 mess out of it. Then he moved into a converted 261 00:17:26,400 --> 00:17:29,880 garage on Dinwiddie Ave. in Downey. 262 00:17:30,160 --> 00:17:35,600 And I'm spending so much time talking about butts because he 263 00:17:35,840 --> 00:17:41,640 plays a very integral, very important part in these murders. 264 00:17:42,040 --> 00:17:48,440 So in April of 1979, Scott Frazier met a dude named Blaine 265 00:17:48,440 --> 00:17:50,680 Fraser. Turns out he was into selling 266 00:17:50,680 --> 00:17:54,040 drugs too. So they would sell drugs 267 00:17:54,040 --> 00:17:58,480 together at Scott's apartment, and these two ended up being 268 00:17:58,520 --> 00:18:02,240 arrested on drug charges. Blaine started hanging around 269 00:18:02,240 --> 00:18:04,320 Bonnen. They would drive around 270 00:18:04,320 --> 00:18:11,200 Hollywood looking at boys, and once they saw a boy and Bonnen 271 00:18:11,480 --> 00:18:15,320 asked Treasure if he was interested in picking him up. 272 00:18:15,320 --> 00:18:19,640 This boy, Frazier said. Quote, as long as you drop me 273 00:18:19,640 --> 00:18:22,600 off before doing anything, UN quote. 274 00:18:23,000 --> 00:18:27,280 So this makes me curious as to why did he want to be dropped 275 00:18:27,280 --> 00:18:31,040 off? Did he have a suspicion of what 276 00:18:31,040 --> 00:18:35,200 Bonnen was up to? Or did he just kind of generally 277 00:18:35,200 --> 00:18:38,280 sense that whatever it was, it, it couldn't be any good? 278 00:18:38,600 --> 00:18:42,040 And fortunately for him, he said let me out. 279 00:18:42,560 --> 00:18:48,440 Around this time, Alice Bonin's mother gave him and Paul $30,000 280 00:18:48,640 --> 00:18:54,200 to buy a restaurant bar called the Alpine Inn in Silverado, 281 00:18:54,640 --> 00:18:56,560 which was like 40 miles from Downing. 282 00:18:56,880 --> 00:18:59,520 I don't think it's there anymore, but this place was 283 00:18:59,520 --> 00:19:02,720 already known as what you call a nuisance bar. 284 00:19:03,160 --> 00:19:05,400 I think you know what that is. We have somewhere around here, 285 00:19:05,880 --> 00:19:11,480 and supposedly they played their music so loud that the neighbors 286 00:19:11,480 --> 00:19:16,680 couldn't hear their own TV's. I'm like, Oh my God, I could not 287 00:19:16,880 --> 00:19:19,800 stand living somewhere that made so much noise. 288 00:19:20,160 --> 00:19:22,840 Well, the bar deal ended up falling through. 289 00:19:23,120 --> 00:19:28,160 They didn't buy the bar and in the meantime, Bonnen and Paul 290 00:19:28,160 --> 00:19:30,880 moved into a house on Cactus Way. 291 00:19:31,240 --> 00:19:35,720 Paul bought a plumbing business in Costa Mesa and Bonnen started 292 00:19:35,720 --> 00:19:37,800 working with him. So now the brothers are 293 00:19:37,800 --> 00:19:40,360 plumbers. OK, we're going to talk about 294 00:19:40,360 --> 00:19:45,720 the first murder that Bonnen is suspected of committing. 295 00:19:46,080 --> 00:19:49,320 He was charged with it, but he was acquitted of it. 296 00:19:49,360 --> 00:19:52,760 And we'll talk about that after you're You're going to see why. 297 00:19:53,280 --> 00:19:58,360 The victim was 13 year old Thomas Glenn Longren or Tommy. 298 00:19:58,720 --> 00:20:04,000 He was born on May 24th, 1966. He lived in the Los Angeles 299 00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:07,600 suburb of Resedo. He had a sister, Brenda, who was 300 00:20:07,600 --> 00:20:10,600 two years older and a young younger brother named Michael. 301 00:20:10,840 --> 00:20:14,000 Real cute kid. I have a picture of him on my 302 00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:16,320 Instagram. It's a picture of him sitting in 303 00:20:16,320 --> 00:20:18,640 his bedroom. He has all these, like, rock 304 00:20:18,640 --> 00:20:23,800 posters around. And I was curious because I like 305 00:20:23,800 --> 00:20:25,880 to learn as much as I can about victims. 306 00:20:26,240 --> 00:20:29,440 I had my boyfriend look at the picture he's into like that kind 307 00:20:29,440 --> 00:20:31,560 of music. And I said, do you recognize any 308 00:20:31,560 --> 00:20:35,280 of those bands or singers? He said that one is Ted Nugent. 309 00:20:35,440 --> 00:20:38,040 So in case you're curious, that's the kind of music he 310 00:20:38,040 --> 00:20:40,920 liked. He was in the Boy Scouts and 311 00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:44,680 later a friend came forward. This, this is ridiculous. 312 00:20:44,920 --> 00:20:47,280 He went to Boy Scout camp with Tommy. 313 00:20:47,600 --> 00:20:49,880 Apparently Tommy like to get into shit. 314 00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:52,840 He was described as a quote, very hyper kid. 315 00:20:53,040 --> 00:20:59,360 This was 1976 or 1977. So the scout master tied a rope 316 00:20:59,360 --> 00:21:04,000 around Tommy's waist like a leash and made his friends hold 317 00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:07,280 on to him. And I'm like, I don't know, I've 318 00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:11,240 never been any kind of scout or scout leader or even had a 319 00:21:11,240 --> 00:21:13,360 child. But that just doesn't sound 320 00:21:13,360 --> 00:21:15,480 right to me. Like here I'm going to tie up 321 00:21:15,480 --> 00:21:18,200 your friend and lead him around like a dog so he'll behave. 322 00:21:18,480 --> 00:21:22,680 So Tommy's favorite hobby was skateboarding and he broke his 323 00:21:22,680 --> 00:21:27,280 arm doing skateboarding and painted a rainbow on the cast. 324 00:21:27,520 --> 00:21:29,760 Fran said. He was silly, but I think it's 325 00:21:29,760 --> 00:21:32,720 creative and cute. One of his friend's parents 326 00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:37,640 owned a store that sold pinball and video games and it was 327 00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:41,240 called Pachinko Palace. Tommy really wanted a pinball 328 00:21:41,240 --> 00:21:43,800 machine and he would go there often to play them. 329 00:21:44,280 --> 00:21:46,320 And it just is an interesting fact. 330 00:21:46,480 --> 00:21:50,320 Guess what Serial killer also went to this shop? 331 00:21:50,640 --> 00:21:55,440 Angelo Buono of the infamous pair known as the Hillside 332 00:21:55,440 --> 00:21:58,840 Stranglers. So one day Tommy told his friend 333 00:21:59,160 --> 00:22:02,640 that some dude had approached him, he was skateboarding and 334 00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:07,280 said he would pay him to pose with his skateboard for a 335 00:22:07,280 --> 00:22:11,760 skateboard magazine. And he'd made plans to meet said 336 00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:14,720 dude on May 28th at the Skating Gate park. 337 00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:19,800 He told his friend that his mom knew about this and said OK. 338 00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:23,440 But later his mom was like, no, the fuck I did not. 339 00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:27,760 He was last seen in front of his house with his skateboard by a 340 00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:33,440 neighbor and it was like 11:00 AM on May 28th, 1979. 341 00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:36,600 Unfortunately, Tommy disappeared. 342 00:22:37,120 --> 00:22:41,280 His body was found by a sightseer later that day, caught 343 00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:45,600 in bushes on a hillside. And this person would later say, 344 00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:48,080 quote, all I could see was the blood. 345 00:22:48,240 --> 00:22:51,720 It was bright red. It was fresh then, Oh my God. 346 00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:55,120 I saw the boy's crotch. I thought I would be sick. 347 00:22:55,120 --> 00:22:57,440 I couldn't believe what I was seeing, UN quote. 348 00:22:57,720 --> 00:23:00,360 So he calls the police. What ended up being the LA 349 00:23:00,360 --> 00:23:05,120 County Sheriff's Department and Sergeant Dave Kushner came to 350 00:23:05,120 --> 00:23:09,840 the crime scene and he will play a big role on this whole freeway 351 00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:13,040 killer investigation, the sheriff testified in court. 352 00:23:13,280 --> 00:23:16,040 This is going to be graphic by the way, quote. 353 00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:19,560 When I first arrived, the first thing I observed was that the 354 00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:23,520 body had been emasculated. The penis and scrotum appeared 355 00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:26,960 to have been removed from the body and there was a large pool 356 00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:28,680 of blood under the victim's head. 357 00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:33,320 I walked on up to the boy and saw a complete slashing through 358 00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:35,880 the throat. There was a ligature mark too. 359 00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:40,960 UN quote UN quote He found his penis and scrotum about two feet 360 00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:44,320 away lying in the dirt. His tennis shoes were up in a 361 00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:48,800 tree about 10 feet away, along with his underwear and his short 362 00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:52,160 cut off pants. Doctor Coogan, who performed 363 00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:56,920 Tommy's autopsy said that he quote died of severe slash 364 00:23:56,920 --> 00:24:00,880 wounds to the throat that severed his carotid arteries and 365 00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:05,160 larynx which extended nearly to the back of the neck. 366 00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:10,200 He also had bruises but that could have been bite Marks and 367 00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:13,040 quote. His chest and skull have been 368 00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:17,160 fractured by a blow from an object like a tire Jack handle 369 00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:20,800 UN quote. A friend later said that they 370 00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:25,760 went to Tommy's funeral and I just cannot picture this. 371 00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:29,200 It doesn't make any sense to me. Apparently Tommy wasn't in a 372 00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:32,160 coffin. He was laying on a table with 373 00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:36,280 like a sheet over him and maybe the friend like misremembered or 374 00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:39,640 something because it's just, I can't imagine this. 375 00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:43,400 And the friend said they did a shitty job of covering up the 376 00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:47,280 stab wounds like you. You could see this gaping wound 377 00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:49,960 on his throat. And I'm like, Oh my God, it's 378 00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:53,280 bad enough if you're a kid and somebody your age dies. 379 00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:58,240 But to have to see that that is really, really awful. 380 00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:03,000 And somebody played Stairway to Heaven on a guitar, throwing the 381 00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:05,240 service. So the friend said that she 382 00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:07,760 thinks of him anytime she hears that song. 383 00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:12,080 Tommy's dad went to all of the trials, all of Bonnen's trials, 384 00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:14,680 and his mom was the opposite. She's like, I don't want to see 385 00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:18,360 and hear about that. Interestingly, Bonnen always 386 00:25:18,360 --> 00:25:23,440 denied killing Tommy and he said, quote, I don't cut the 387 00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:25,600 Dicks off, little boys, UN quote. 388 00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:29,920 Now, if we're going to look at the specifics of Tommy's murder, 389 00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:34,320 I have my doubts. Also, the jury did acquit him on 390 00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:39,920 this, and I can see why. No other victim of Bonnen's was 391 00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:43,960 emasculated like that. And whoever killed him used the 392 00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:47,960 ruse about. Hey, do you want to pose for a 393 00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:51,320 skateboarding magazine? I'll meet you on such and such a 394 00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:53,280 date. Bonnen never did anything like 395 00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:55,280 that. He just spurred the moment. 396 00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:59,480 Hey, that looks like a good one. So in my own opinion, which, of 397 00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:01,040 course, it doesn't mean anything. 398 00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:07,120 Tommy's killing sounds more to me like the work of Randy Kraft 399 00:26:07,360 --> 00:26:11,400 who was known to cut off the genitals of his victims. 400 00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:17,960 So on July 19th Bonnen goes to Downey Ford and buys an ugly 401 00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:23,440 puke green 1972 Ford E-100 Shorty van. 402 00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:26,040 I have a picture of it. It's ugly as fuck. 403 00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:29,680 So go ahead and and start with the serial killer in their van 404 00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:33,480 jokes because this is exactly what it's going to be used for. 405 00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:39,680 He would eventually nickname it The Death Fan and really that's 406 00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:43,000 very creative. It had new carpet, fake wood 407 00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:46,360 paneling, and curtains between the front and the back. 408 00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:51,120 So there was some discussion on whether or not he planned to 409 00:26:51,120 --> 00:26:57,000 kill people and bought the van for this purpose or that he 410 00:26:57,000 --> 00:27:01,720 bought the van 1st and the killing started afterward. 411 00:27:02,120 --> 00:27:08,040 I think in my opinion, that the reason he bought the van was to 412 00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:13,080 pick up people and do not necessarily kill 'cause I don't 413 00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:17,000 know if this was in his mind yet, but knowing him, he did 414 00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:22,120 have some nefarious purpose. He intended I think, to abduct 415 00:27:22,120 --> 00:27:24,160 and rape boys in the back of the van. 416 00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:28,440 And if we believe that he didn't kill Tommy, there's no way to 417 00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:31,600 know if killing was on his mind yet or not. 418 00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:36,400 He set about customizing his new van by removing all the inner 419 00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:40,440 handles from the passenger side and back so that nobody could 420 00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:43,480 get out and put some tools in the van. 421 00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:49,760 Ligatures, knives, pliers, wire coat hangers, which kind of 422 00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:53,120 shows some premeditation that he's going to be up to 423 00:27:53,120 --> 00:27:56,160 something. Remember the guessing game we 424 00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:59,480 were playing about How long would he be out of prison before 425 00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:03,960 he abducted and killed? If we don't include Tommy, it's 426 00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:08,520 going to be 10 months. So according to what Bonnen said 427 00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:12,480 later, this is how the subject of killing boys came up. 428 00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:16,240 I'll just tell you what he said and you can decide for yourself 429 00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:19,280 if you believe it or not. Supposedly. 430 00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:23,320 According to Bonnen, he had discussed killing people with 431 00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:28,160 Vern before, like casually, and this is usually the way that 432 00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:31,840 killer couples get started. Like one will mention something 433 00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:36,640 like murder and the other reacts and the person who brought it up 434 00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:38,960 weighs the other person's response. 435 00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:41,840 Like if they think they have a favorable response, like if they 436 00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:43,640 say something like oh that'd be fun. 437 00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:45,280 I've always wanted to do that too. 438 00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:48,640 Or if they say, Oh my God, get the fuck out of here, are you 439 00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:51,360 crazy? That would be an unfavorable 440 00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:55,600 response. So we know for a fact that their 441 00:28:55,600 --> 00:29:00,240 first killing, I'm not County Tommy, occurred on August 4th, 442 00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:03,840 1979. This was Bonnen and Vern. 443 00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:08,640 Bonnen picked up Vern in the ugly van and they went to the 444 00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:13,400 drive in theater on Hwy. 39 in the town of Westminster in 445 00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:16,520 Orange County. And the defendant later said to 446 00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:21,440 the police quote during the break between movies, we got 447 00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:25,160 around to talking about murder and picking up a guy and having 448 00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:27,040 sex with him and then killing him. 449 00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:29,400 I was sort of joking at the time. 450 00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:31,680 Verne thought the idea was real neat. 451 00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:34,680 He told me. I always wanted to see what it 452 00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:38,160 was like to kill someone. One of my fantasies is to kill 453 00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:41,560 someone using an ice pick and put it into his ear. 454 00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:46,200 We continue to talk. And then I thought I noticed he 455 00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:48,840 was very serious. I was surprised. 456 00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:52,440 So I asked him, are you serious? He said, yeah. 457 00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:56,400 I then said if you can handle it, so can I. 458 00:29:56,600 --> 00:29:59,120 OK, then why don't we leave right now? 459 00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:02,200 Verne said, OK, let's go. And we left. 460 00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:05,200 You know, I was kind of testing him, really. 461 00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:07,640 I didn't think he would go for it, but he did. 462 00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:09,800 I don't like doing stuff by myself. 463 00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:13,840 End Quote. Notice how in Bonnen's version 464 00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:18,960 of events, he said that he was joking but Verne was serious, 465 00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:23,320 thus putting the blame on Verne for coming up with the idea. 466 00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:27,520 And this is just your typical serial killer bullshit. 467 00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:30,640 You know nothing is my fault. Thinking pattern. 468 00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:36,200 They left the drive in and drove down Beach Blvd. where Bonnen 469 00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:41,160 had seen hitchhikers before. Again, he emphasized that he had 470 00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:43,360 no intention of killing the person. 471 00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:49,480 They picked up that he was going to quote have the sex IE rape 472 00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:53,360 and then let him out. The boy they picked up wasn't 473 00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:57,840 hitchhiking, he was just walking home to his home in Westminster. 474 00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:00,960 This was 17 year old Mark Dwayne Shelton. 475 00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:06,920 He was born on December 19th, 1961 in Garden Grove and was one 476 00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:09,800 of five kids. Sadly, that's about all the 477 00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:12,480 biological information I have on him. 478 00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:15,480 According to Bonnen. He pulled up and asked Mark for 479 00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:17,880 directions, but then offered him a ride. 480 00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:23,640 Mark got in the van and Bonnen asked him if he had ever quote 481 00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:28,720 gotten head from a guy before, UN quote, to which Mark replied 482 00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:33,720 no according to Bonnen. I'm stressing that he offered 483 00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:39,720 Mark $400 for four or five hours of his time. 484 00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:43,840 That's a lot of money, supposedly. 485 00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:49,360 Mark agreed, and Bonnet started driving to a cabin in the 486 00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:54,080 mountains of the the Cajun Pass. I don't even know if this cabin 487 00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:57,680 really existed, but this is what he told Mark. 488 00:31:57,680 --> 00:31:59,400 He's like we'll we'll go to my cabin. 489 00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:02,760 Supposedly. He asked Mark how late he could 490 00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:07,280 stay out and Mark said quote all night, it doesn't matter really. 491 00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:11,000 UN quote. Then according to Bonnen, he 492 00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:16,160 told Mark that he wanted to quote, see what he got and 493 00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:20,400 proceeded to unzip his shorts and rub his penis trigger 494 00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:21,840 warning this is going to get graphic. 495 00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:27,760 Then he said that he said quote. Nice package Vern. 496 00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:30,880 Check it out. I can't wait to get to the cabin 497 00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:35,080 and quote. Supposedly Vern then squeezed 498 00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:40,320 Mark's penis and hurt him and Mark cried out and went to the 499 00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:44,320 back of the van. Then according to Bonnen this it 500 00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:45,680 gets. The story gets even more 501 00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:51,040 ridiculous as he goes on while Bonnen is driving Verne is in 502 00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:55,800 the back with Mark entertaining him with magic and card tricks. 503 00:32:56,080 --> 00:33:00,040 And during the hour long drive Bonnen said that he could hear 504 00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:02,560 Mark laughing and having a good time. 505 00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:07,440 He said quote he was happy he was going to earn $400.00 and 506 00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:10,080 quote. So Bonnen pulled into a boarded 507 00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:13,760 up gas station and went in the back with Mark. 508 00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:17,560 He told Verne to sit up front and act as a lookout. 509 00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:23,240 He then said that he and Mark started to make out and he 510 00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:28,200 undressed him. This quote is is just like wow, 511 00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:31,920 he said quote. I could tell that the kid was 512 00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:36,600 real relaxed and sexually excited making little groans of 513 00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:38,240 contentment. UN quote. 514 00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:43,800 I can't tell if this is just an out and out lie or did he 515 00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:48,080 somehow imagine this or wish that this was happening like 516 00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:50,640 this was just wishful thinking on on his part. 517 00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:56,840 Then Verne supposedly fileted Mark and Bonnen ordered Mark to 518 00:33:56,840 --> 00:33:59,600 fillet him. He said that he did, although he 519 00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:04,280 was quote nervous and shivering. Then Bonnen ordered to ordered 520 00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:09,760 Mark to lay on his stomach to quote let me fuck him, and Mark 521 00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:14,000 supposedly nodded yes. It's this OK, Bullshit. 522 00:34:14,159 --> 00:34:18,239 I don't believe this. Then Bonnen said that when he 523 00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:23,239 started to insert his penis into Mark, that Mark quote screamed 524 00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:28,600 out in pain and reared up. Which the of course this scent 525 00:34:28,679 --> 00:34:32,239 born into a rage And he supposedly yelled. 526 00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:36,120 Quote man, you scared the shit out of me, you little bastard. 527 00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:38,719 UN quote. Then he said he punched Mark in 528 00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:43,360 the chest, abdomen and grabbed him by the balls and squeezed 529 00:34:43,639 --> 00:34:47,679 and then knead him in the face several times until Mark was 530 00:34:47,679 --> 00:34:51,000 unconscious. Then supposedly, he told Verne, 531 00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:55,320 quote, we can't let him go. We better just go ahead and 532 00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:57,400 finish him off right now, UN quote. 533 00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:00,760 So Verne supposedly readily agreed. 534 00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:08,480 And now, in his own words, let's hear what Bonnen said during his 535 00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:11,400 taped confession. We flipped the kid back over on 536 00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:13,960 his stomach. He had a long sleeved shirt so I 537 00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:16,600 tied the sleeves and wrapped it around his neck, then slipped a 538 00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:18,760 tire iron through the loop and started twisting. 539 00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:22,440 Vern was on top of him holding his hands behind his back. 540 00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:26,360 I twisted and twisted the shirt around his neck real tight. 541 00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:29,760 Then the kid woke up and started wiggling around and Vern 542 00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:32,720 couldn't hold him so I used my right hand to keep his hands 543 00:35:32,720 --> 00:35:35,520 from getting free and kept a strong grip on the tire iron 544 00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:38,920 with my left. Vern eventually got a better 545 00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:41,720 grip and after three or 4 minutes the kid stopped moving 546 00:35:41,720 --> 00:35:45,360 and we let him go. We thought he was dead, so we 547 00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:47,600 relaxed. I united the shirt. 548 00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:50,640 Within about 10 seconds we hear this long inhaling of air coming 549 00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:54,000 from Mark. Vern panicked and screamed. 550 00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:56,880 He's not dead. That put me in a panic. 551 00:35:56,880 --> 00:36:00,400 Also, I jumped up and put the shirt around his neck again and 552 00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:03,360 began twisting. I screamed at Vern to get back 553 00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:05,440 on top of him and hold it tight while I drove. 554 00:36:06,720 --> 00:36:08,760 Then Vern starts talking about the ice pick thing. 555 00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:11,320 I look around for something to use. 556 00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:13,120 I knew there wasn't anything like that in the van. 557 00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:16,000 I found a rusty wire in the bushes and pushed the wire into 558 00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:19,840 his ear as hard as I could and I didn't get any reactions, but I 559 00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:21,840 was actually still not sure if he was dead. 560 00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:25,960 As we walked back to the van I saw a short, dried out tree 561 00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:28,800 branch and picked it up and walked back to Mark's dead body 562 00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:33,560 and I shoved it up his ass. He didn't move now I could 563 00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:36,040 relax. He was definitely dead. 564 00:36:36,720 --> 00:36:39,640 We left there and headed home. We were laughing as we felt we 565 00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:43,720 got away with it. Mark's new body was found on 566 00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:49,360 August 11th off I-15 in the Cajun Pass area. 567 00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:54,120 Reportedly, he was so eaten by animals that he was barely 568 00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:56,480 recognizable. His cause of death was 569 00:36:56,480 --> 00:37:00,560 determined to be shock due to the shoving of a stick into his 570 00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:03,280 rectum. Sadly, he was considered a John 571 00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:07,600 Doe until March 1980. His parents, Dawn and Ramona, 572 00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:11,400 never stopped looking for him, hiking Miles through the Canyons 573 00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:15,440 of Orange County. Finally, Dawn got Mark's dental 574 00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:18,480 records and took them to the Westminster police himself, 575 00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:21,720 proving the fact that sometimes if you want something done, you 576 00:37:21,720 --> 00:37:24,640 just have to do it yourself. Finally, Mark had been 577 00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:28,200 identified, his dad told the newspaper. 578 00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:32,120 Quote, the police have always been nice to me, but they gave 579 00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:34,640 us the impression they just didn't give a damn. 580 00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:38,400 It seems like I've done all the work since this started. 581 00:37:38,720 --> 00:37:41,960 End Quote. Mark's parents actually sued the 582 00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:46,120 City of Westminster for what they believed was negligence in 583 00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:48,960 trying to identify Mark, but they lost. 584 00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:54,400 If the dates on this are right, born and killed again the next 585 00:37:54,720 --> 00:37:57,080 day. This one he did alone. 586 00:37:57,560 --> 00:38:01,720 The victim was 17 year old. Marcus Grabs an exchange student 587 00:38:01,720 --> 00:38:06,000 from Germany and I don't have very much information about him. 588 00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:12,160 He was born in Germany on March 4th, 1962 and he planned to 589 00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:14,400 hitchhike around the United States. 590 00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:22,520 He left Germany in February of 1979 and on August 2nd a couple 591 00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:26,840 who was driving along saw him. They noticed the British flag on 592 00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:29,560 his backpack and stopped to talk to him. 593 00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:34,720 And Marcus told them that he was going South and planned to sleep 594 00:38:34,720 --> 00:38:37,320 on the beach. And they said, well, you know 595 00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:39,480 that's illegal, you can't sleep on the beach. 596 00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:44,160 Why don't you stay at our place? So he did for three nights and 597 00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:47,760 on Sunday, August 5th, they dropped him off on the Pacific 598 00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:51,840 Coast Highway in Newport Beach. Unfortunately, he was picked up 599 00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:54,880 by Bonnen, who was, like I've said before, was alone. 600 00:38:55,440 --> 00:39:00,920 He got in the van on the PCH Pacific Coast Highway in Newport 601 00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:05,400 Beach somewhere between 6:00 and 10:00 PM on August 5th. 602 00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:08,880 And here is Bonnen's version of what happened. 603 00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:10,520 I felt really strange that morning. 604 00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:14,040 After all, Vernon and I had just killed a kid the night before. 605 00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:15,920 That would make anyone feel jumpy. 606 00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:19,760 But man, I really felt a new kind of power from killing that 607 00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:22,360 first one. I'd never done that before and 608 00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:24,840 it was a real high. Still kind of can't believe that 609 00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:27,800 we actually killed him. I needed to get out. 610 00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:30,800 I was so jumpy and driving always makes me feel peaceful. 611 00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:33,040 Guess that's why I like driving trucks. 612 00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:36,680 Hell, I would just go out and start driving anywhere just to 613 00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:39,600 gear down. Thinking back to that day, I 614 00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:41,360 didn't really go out to kill anyone, really. 615 00:39:41,720 --> 00:39:43,920 I can truthfully say killing wasn't on my mind. 616 00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:47,200 When I left that morning I spotted a kid hitchhiking and 617 00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:49,360 you know, I started getting horny. 618 00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:51,880 Figured I'd just pull up and feel him out about gays. 619 00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:55,360 I found out he was a student from Germany and was backpacking 620 00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:58,840 around during summer vacation. I think he was going to Mexico. 621 00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:01,360 I can't remember, but I'll tell you. 622 00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:06,240 His looks turned me on. Tall, lean, nice tight body with 623 00:40:06,240 --> 00:40:09,920 light colored eyes and hair. I started talking about sex and 624 00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:12,560 asked him if he was gay. He smiled and crawled in the 625 00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:14,920 front seat with me. I started feeling a little 626 00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:16,520 better thinking about fucking him. 627 00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:19,920 There are a lot of cars parking along the highway, so I pulled 628 00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:21,320 them between a couple of campers. 629 00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:24,880 Most of the people were out walking along the water, but I 630 00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:27,400 still closed the windows. I I didn't want anybody to 631 00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:30,000 disturb us. We got in the back of the van 632 00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:31,920 and took our clothes off. Then we started giving each 633 00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:34,000 other head. It was so good. 634 00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:37,200 We did that for a little while and then I had it in my mind 635 00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:38,680 somewhere about trying out bondage. 636 00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:42,520 I'd never done it before, so I got out some electrician type 637 00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:44,360 wire out of my tool kit and hooked him up. 638 00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:47,600 I guess he thought it wouldn't hold him if he really wanted to 639 00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:50,640 get free. When I finished hooking him up, 640 00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:53,080 I looked down at him, lying there on his stomach with his 641 00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:56,040 hands tied behind his back. It felt good. 642 00:40:56,720 --> 00:40:58,640 I felt like I was really something. 643 00:40:58,720 --> 00:41:01,600 I felt strong, you know? Growing up, I always felt 644 00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:04,320 helpless. I started caressing his body by 645 00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:06,680 running my buck knife blade up and down his skin. 646 00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:09,960 His body was almost hairless, nice and smooth. 647 00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:13,360 All the while I kept telling him how easy would be to kill him. 648 00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:16,000 Guess I kind of wanted him to be afraid of me. 649 00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:20,640 I still didn't plan to kill him. I wanted to play with him, show 650 00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:23,600 him who's boss. I held the knife up to his 651 00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:25,160 throat, told him I should cut him. 652 00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:29,440 He looked at me like he was starting to feel scared all of a 653 00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:31,040 sudden, realizing he was helpless. 654 00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:33,760 The kid couldn't tell if I was serious or not. 655 00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:36,480 I didn't know if I was or not either. 656 00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:39,560 I backed off because I want to enjoy him some more. 657 00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:42,680 We were getting excited, so I reached down between his legs 658 00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:46,360 and checked out his Dick. It was hard, like mine was too. 659 00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:50,520 I got him up on his knees and pushed inside of him, stroking 660 00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:54,600 back and forth until I exploded. Then I grabbed the whole of his 661 00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:59,160 nuts and squeezed him real hard. He screamed, broke loose, and I 662 00:41:59,160 --> 00:42:01,240 fell back. Then the kid twisted around and 663 00:42:01,240 --> 00:42:04,000 faced me and was fist raised in the air, ready to punch me. 664 00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:07,400 I had to defend myself. I didn't have any choice. 665 00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:10,400 He was strong and he might overpower me, maybe even kill 666 00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:12,880 me. I just wanted him to be afraid 667 00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:15,800 of me, to look up at me. No, I could kill him at any 668 00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:19,200 second. I wanted him to show me respect 669 00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:21,840 anyway. I'm afraid of knives and didn't 670 00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:23,760 have any intention of using it as a weapon. 671 00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:27,440 I didn't want blood all over my new van, but I I had to defend 672 00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:28,560 myself. I had no choice. 673 00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:31,360 He was strong, maybe even stronger than me. 674 00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:34,240 What could I do? What if he had gotten the knife 675 00:42:34,240 --> 00:42:36,280 away from me? He might have even killed me. 676 00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:40,840 The kid landed a hard one right across my jaw, and I fell back 677 00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:43,880 and hit my head against the van. I was shocked. 678 00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:47,080 He he nailed me good. The knife was in my hand. 679 00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:49,640 I didn't know what to do, so I raised it up and dug it hard 680 00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:53,520 into his upper arm. The kid screamed in horror, 681 00:42:53,720 --> 00:42:56,080 really loud. His eyes were wide open. 682 00:42:56,440 --> 00:42:58,040 He couldn't believe it. Fuck. 683 00:42:58,040 --> 00:43:01,320 I couldn't believe I'd done it, and something inside me clicked 684 00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:04,720 and I was on automatic pilot. I had to survive. 685 00:43:04,720 --> 00:43:07,080 So I got a better grip on the knife and I started stabbing him 686 00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:10,920 wildly over and over. But he was twisting and turning. 687 00:43:11,720 --> 00:43:13,560 I hit him in the back in the butt. 688 00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:16,160 I don't know where else I was just stabbing blindly. 689 00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:21,040 His blood squirted all over the place on the walls, the curtains 690 00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:23,400 on me. He tried to grab the knife, but 691 00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:26,280 I wouldn't let him get it. I couldn't let him live. 692 00:43:26,720 --> 00:43:28,600 He tell the police and I'd be in prison again. 693 00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:31,920 I've been in too many times, raped and beaten by other 694 00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:33,560 inmates and no one helped me out. 695 00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:36,560 I just kept stabbing him frantically till he stopped 696 00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:39,720 fighting. The kid was asking me take him 697 00:43:39,720 --> 00:43:42,560 to the hospital. I said sure, I mean, what else 698 00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:45,440 could I say? But he was getting on my nerves 699 00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:48,680 with all the whining. Finally I told him to shut up. 700 00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:51,280 I said I was going to take him to a place, drop him off and 701 00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:52,720 then call a doctor to come and help him. 702 00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:56,600 He quieted it down. I drove down Malibu Canyon and 703 00:43:56,600 --> 00:43:59,640 found a lonely side Rd. I started dragging him out. 704 00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:03,520 He was screaming all over again. He was weak and I had to hide 705 00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:06,280 him real good, so I wrapped him up in a blanket. 706 00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:10,040 But then I was all covered in blood again, so I got him on his 707 00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:11,400 stomach and started strangling him. 708 00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:14,680 That wasn't working because I wasn't getting enough leverage, 709 00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:18,080 but I had to kill him. I wrapped an orange cord around 710 00:44:18,080 --> 00:44:20,600 his neck and tried to strangle him, but I couldn't manage it. 711 00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:24,600 I didn't like using the knife. I didn't like that blood going 712 00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:26,720 everywhere, but there was no other way. 713 00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:30,000 I got the buck knife out of the van and put my mind in a sort of 714 00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:32,320 Zen state in order to bring myself to the point of being 715 00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:35,080 able to stab him again. I stabbed him, I don't know how 716 00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:37,440 many times, but I just kept stabbing him like I was in a 717 00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:39,320 frenzy. I had to make sure he was 718 00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:42,480 finished off, so I ran my fist up his ass and he didn't flinch. 719 00:44:43,240 --> 00:44:45,840 I started thinking about how it was when I got beaten as a kid. 720 00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:48,160 I used to beg my old man to stop. 721 00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:53,440 Shit, he wouldn't. Notice that all of Bonnen's 722 00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:58,240 statements are self-serving, stressing that these victims 723 00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:01,840 willingly got in the van, and most egregious sex. 724 00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:07,320 I find it hard to believe that all of these kids said to this 725 00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:11,880 dirty old man because at this time Bornan was 32. 726 00:45:12,240 --> 00:45:14,280 OK, sure, I'll have sex with you. 727 00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:19,840 It's just not believable. Note a couple of things he says 728 00:45:20,080 --> 00:45:22,600 besides his story of consensual sex. 729 00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:28,600 He claimed that he was just defending himself from Marcus, 730 00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:30,760 who supposedly became aggressive. 731 00:45:31,240 --> 00:45:37,040 This is important to note. He said he got a thrill from 732 00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:41,720 Marcus's fear and that he was enjoying the power that he had 733 00:45:41,720 --> 00:45:44,760 over him. And this right here is the key. 734 00:45:45,080 --> 00:45:49,400 And you know what? Somebody who gets enjoyment from 735 00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:53,960 having fear and power over others is a sadist, of course. 736 00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:59,200 The next morning, at about 6:30, a man named Harold was driving 737 00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:03,960 on loss for Jean's Canyon Road and saw what looked like a body. 738 00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:08,240 He stopped, and sure enough, it was the body of a nude male. 739 00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:11,880 The LA County Sheriff's Department, particularly 740 00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:16,440 Sergeant Kushner, arrived and found what was Marcus with 741 00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:20,720 bruises on his face, multiple stab wounds and orange cord 742 00:46:21,120 --> 00:46:25,520 still around his neck, and blue ignition wires binding his 743 00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:28,440 ankles. He also had ligature burn marks 744 00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:31,200 indicating that he'd been strangled from behind. 745 00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:36,080 His shoes were across the road and he had nothing of value in 746 00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:39,120 his backpack like no identifying things. 747 00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:44,320 An autopsy revealed, quote, severe injuries to the anal 748 00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:50,040 region consistent with the defendant Bonnet saying that he 749 00:46:50,240 --> 00:46:56,480 put his first into Mark's anus. And this next part, You're just 750 00:46:56,480 --> 00:46:59,520 not going to believe this. It's so ridiculous. 751 00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:04,960 Bonnen got arrested again. This information is from the 752 00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:11,000 Orange County Sheriff's Crime report on August 9th, 1979 at 753 00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:16,160 about midnight Bonnen had picked up a 17 year old boy and was 754 00:47:16,160 --> 00:47:21,080 parked in a school parking lot and Officer Duncan observed that 755 00:47:21,080 --> 00:47:26,600 the van was quote moving slightly due to movement inside 756 00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:30,040 and quote so he decided to investigate. 757 00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:35,560 Inside were of course Bonnen and a 17 year old boy who said that 758 00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:37,440 Bonnen had picked him up hitchhiking. 759 00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:42,400 According to the police report. Quote Shortly after the ride 760 00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:46,760 started, Bonnen reached over and fondled his genital area. 761 00:47:46,760 --> 00:47:50,640 Saying Does this feel good? He replied. 762 00:47:50,920 --> 00:47:53,760 I don't get into this and pushed his hand away. 763 00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:58,200 Bonnen said that he was bisexual and he should try it. 764 00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:03,200 Bonnen again touched his genital area while driving. 765 00:48:03,640 --> 00:48:07,280 The defendant parked in the school parking lot, then again 766 00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:12,000 fondled the boy saying, quote, can't you get it hard for me? 767 00:48:12,440 --> 00:48:16,600 Bonnen then pulled the boy into the back of the van saying, 768 00:48:16,600 --> 00:48:19,320 quote, don't you want a good blowjob? 769 00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:22,640 The defendant pulled his pants down and tried to kiss the boy, 770 00:48:23,240 --> 00:48:26,600 who again said, hey, I'm not into this. 771 00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:31,600 As we know by now, Bonnen doesn't take no for an answer. 772 00:48:32,040 --> 00:48:35,880 He unzipped the boy's pants and had just started filleting him 773 00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:38,160 when the cop happened upon the scene. 774 00:48:38,520 --> 00:48:42,880 Thankfully for the kid, Bonnen was arrested for sexual 775 00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:47,360 perversion in jail from August 9th to August 13th. 776 00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:52,000 Thanks to his attorney who filed a writ of habeas corpus, he was 777 00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:57,000 released and scheduled to appear for a hearing on August 24th. 778 00:48:57,880 --> 00:49:02,520 A parole revocation hearing was scheduled for September 18th. 779 00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:07,880 So as a former probation officer, I have absolutely no 780 00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:14,360 idea how he was able to get out of jail while on parole for a 781 00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:17,720 serious sex offence. Every time he gets lucky or 782 00:49:17,720 --> 00:49:21,920 slips through the cracks like this time, Bonnen thinks he's 783 00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:26,280 even more invincible, which is common with serial killers or 784 00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:29,440 any career criminals. He called Scott Frazier for a 785 00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:34,480 ride home from jail and again declared this is never going to 786 00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:37,160 happen again. Nobody's ever going to testify 787 00:49:37,160 --> 00:49:40,200 against me again. Unfortunately, Scott, like 788 00:49:40,200 --> 00:49:43,720 everybody who'd heard this previously, thought nothing of 789 00:49:43,720 --> 00:49:47,680 it or took to mean that Bonn planned to stop abducting, 790 00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:52,160 raping, and killing. So then Bonnen gets the genius 791 00:49:52,160 --> 00:49:56,800 idea of establishing a sort of alibi for the murder of Marcus, 792 00:49:57,120 --> 00:50:01,880 and for this he enrolls the help of his shady friend Scott 793 00:50:01,880 --> 00:50:05,040 Frazier. On August 17th, 12 days after he 794 00:50:05,040 --> 00:50:09,120 killed Marcus Bonn and took Frazier to lunch at a restaurant 795 00:50:09,120 --> 00:50:13,640 where he told Frazier that he had killed a dude in 796 00:50:13,640 --> 00:50:17,560 self-defense. In 1/2 assed tale, he claimed 797 00:50:17,560 --> 00:50:21,160 that he and Vern had picked up a hitchhiker for sex. 798 00:50:21,480 --> 00:50:24,160 Remember, Vern wasn't even there for this one. 799 00:50:24,720 --> 00:50:28,400 Things had gotten out of hand and he had been forced to stab 800 00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:31,040 the kid to death in an act of self-defense. 801 00:50:31,520 --> 00:50:34,360 Apparently Frazier bought this load of bullshit. 802 00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:39,800 Bonnen also said that he'd been shaken up over the incident. 803 00:50:40,240 --> 00:50:46,160 Apparently he wasn't too shaken up because three days later, on 804 00:50:46,160 --> 00:50:49,560 August 20th, he and Vern were at it again. 805 00:50:49,960 --> 00:50:55,320 This victim was 18 year old Robert Werrostek, who had been 806 00:50:55,320 --> 00:50:59,280 born in Flint, MI on October 30th, 1960. 807 00:50:59,600 --> 00:51:04,120 He was one of six kids born to Robert and Joan and was 808 00:51:04,120 --> 00:51:08,520 described as very athletic. He played football and graduated 809 00:51:08,520 --> 00:51:13,240 from high school in Michigan in 1978, then moved to California 810 00:51:13,240 --> 00:51:16,280 with his family. He was riding his bicycle to 811 00:51:16,280 --> 00:51:21,400 work at a grocery store called Ralph's Market that day when he 812 00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:25,760 ran into Bonham. Bonham actually gave 2 versions 813 00:51:26,040 --> 00:51:29,320 of the events of Bob's murder, the version he told the 814 00:51:29,320 --> 00:51:33,160 detectives and the written one. I'm going with the written one 815 00:51:33,360 --> 00:51:38,120 since it's slightly less self-serving and more graphic 816 00:51:38,480 --> 00:51:40,160 and I think it's closer to the truth. 817 00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:45,480 He starts off by saying that he was taking a drive along the 818 00:51:45,480 --> 00:51:49,400 shore because it was a sunny day, which is bullshit. 819 00:51:49,920 --> 00:51:53,840 When he happened to Pawn Bob hitchhiking near Newport Beach, 820 00:51:54,280 --> 00:51:57,600 he never mentioned the bicycle, so we know this isn't accurate. 821 00:51:57,960 --> 00:52:00,800 It starts out like all the other confessions he saw. 822 00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:05,560 A good looking dude picked him up politely, asked if he was 823 00:52:05,560 --> 00:52:09,000 interested in homosexual activities, etcetera. 824 00:52:09,360 --> 00:52:12,440 Then, according to Bonin, this is what happened next. 825 00:52:12,680 --> 00:52:14,880 We got back in a van. I started sucking on him and 826 00:52:14,880 --> 00:52:18,080 rubbing his chest. Oh yeah, that feels great, he 827 00:52:18,080 --> 00:52:20,240 said. I had him hooked. 828 00:52:20,480 --> 00:52:22,840 He was laying on his back and really enjoying it. 829 00:52:23,880 --> 00:52:26,480 I went in the back to get tissue and came back with an 8 inch 830 00:52:26,480 --> 00:52:28,720 steak knife. I held it to his throat. 831 00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:32,240 I said if you move I'll stick you with this knife. 832 00:52:33,080 --> 00:52:35,480 He was petrified and said I'll I'll do anything. 833 00:52:36,160 --> 00:52:38,760 I tied him up and told him One false move and I'll stick you. 834 00:52:39,080 --> 00:52:41,880 I could see sweat on his tan skin and was really turning me 835 00:52:41,880 --> 00:52:44,320 on. I pulled down my pants and I 836 00:52:44,320 --> 00:52:46,720 butt fucked him. He started complaining. 837 00:52:46,720 --> 00:52:49,960 I told him if you make any noise you're a dead mother fucker. 838 00:52:50,800 --> 00:52:53,160 I drove my Dick into him and fucked him real hard. 839 00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:57,240 I then found a photo booth and called Vern all the way to 840 00:52:57,240 --> 00:52:59,040 Vern's place. He asked me to loosen his hands 841 00:52:59,040 --> 00:53:01,720 because they were hurting. I told him to shut up. 842 00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:05,240 After I got Vern in the van, I headed out towards the I-10 843 00:53:05,240 --> 00:53:07,920 freeway. During the time I was driving, 844 00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:10,160 Vern learned his name was Bob Wierstick. 845 00:53:11,120 --> 00:53:13,160 Vern gave him head and slapped him around a little bit. 846 00:53:13,960 --> 00:53:16,520 Then Vern drove and I got back there and rolled him onto his 847 00:53:16,520 --> 00:53:19,400 stomach. I asked Vern would you like to 848 00:53:19,400 --> 00:53:22,240 hear him scream? And Vern said sure, why don't 849 00:53:22,240 --> 00:53:25,160 you do that finger trick? That was the thing we discussed 850 00:53:25,160 --> 00:53:27,360 the night before where we break the guy's fingers. 851 00:53:28,480 --> 00:53:30,760 I said OK. I grabbed Bob's little finger 852 00:53:30,760 --> 00:53:32,640 and bent it back till he screamed in pain. 853 00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:36,000 After I finished I went for the little finger on the other hand 854 00:53:36,040 --> 00:53:39,280 and he begged me not to. I pushed it back for a while but 855 00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:41,800 didn't break it. I then grabbed his nuts and 856 00:53:41,800 --> 00:53:44,480 squeezed. Then I took the tire iron and 857 00:53:44,480 --> 00:53:46,800 rolled them over on his back and hit him as hard as I could on 858 00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:50,160 both knees and ankles. I hit him on his shoulders and 859 00:53:50,160 --> 00:53:52,800 elbows. Then I told him we're going to 860 00:53:52,800 --> 00:53:55,040 let you out, but you will be unconscious. 861 00:53:56,000 --> 00:53:58,760 I gave him the choice of either choking him out or hitting him 862 00:53:58,760 --> 00:54:02,120 over the head. He said he didn't know I hit him 863 00:54:02,120 --> 00:54:04,400 across the head with the tire iron and I thought he was out. 864 00:54:05,240 --> 00:54:08,840 I hit him again and he raised up saying you fucking bastard. 865 00:54:09,440 --> 00:54:12,240 He had momentarily scared me. I said I'll choke you. 866 00:54:12,240 --> 00:54:14,920 Instead, just let yourself go and it won't be as bad. 867 00:54:15,680 --> 00:54:17,640 Don't struggle as it'll only make it worse. 868 00:54:18,200 --> 00:54:19,600 And don't try to pretend you're out. 869 00:54:19,880 --> 00:54:23,640 I can tell I started choking him with his T-shirt and twisting 870 00:54:23,640 --> 00:54:26,440 the tire iron. After I got tight I saw he was 871 00:54:26,440 --> 00:54:28,760 full of conscious. He was trying to stay that way. 872 00:54:29,720 --> 00:54:33,120 He started to struggle and I said struggle baby, it'll only 873 00:54:33,120 --> 00:54:37,080 make you death come faster. In 15 seconds he was out. 874 00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:40,480 I relaxed and held the shirt and tire iron tight for about 5 875 00:54:40,480 --> 00:54:42,720 minutes. We dumped him in the desert 876 00:54:42,720 --> 00:54:44,440 around Palm Springs and went home. 877 00:54:45,160 --> 00:54:50,440 Bob's badly decomposed body was found on September 27th, but 878 00:54:50,440 --> 00:54:53,880 wasn't identified until July of 1980. 879 00:54:54,360 --> 00:54:57,720 An autopsy concluded that his cause of death was 880 00:54:57,720 --> 00:55:01,480 strangulation. I'm going to leave off for here. 881 00:55:02,120 --> 00:55:08,080 Remember Patreon is up and running so check that out. 882 00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:13,960 It's patreon.com and it's True Crime Uni. 883 00:55:14,480 --> 00:55:19,120 Or just search for Patreon True Crime University and you'll find 884 00:55:19,120 --> 00:55:24,160 it. The voice of Bonin was done by 885 00:55:24,160 --> 00:55:29,200 the one and only Dave Jorry, voice actor extraordinaire and 886 00:55:29,200 --> 00:55:34,960 host of Criminal AF. 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