1 00:00:07,400 --> 00:00:14,760 Welcome to the debauchery. In 2014, a man and his daughters 2 00:00:14,760 --> 00:00:17,320 were cleaning out their garage when they came upon a gruesome 3 00:00:17,320 --> 00:00:20,160 discovery. But this discovery was just the 4 00:00:20,160 --> 00:00:22,800 beginning of a nightmare that didn't seem to have an end. 5 00:00:22,800 --> 00:00:25,080 Insight. I'm Dave Jarry. 6 00:00:25,160 --> 00:00:28,920 I'm Garrett Quarter. And this is criminal as. 7 00:00:29,040 --> 00:00:40,360 But what's good? All you criminals, the boss and 8 00:00:40,360 --> 00:00:43,080 true crime douchebags out there. And welcome to another episode 9 00:00:43,080 --> 00:00:46,440 of Criminal AF. Once again I am Dave Jarry and 10 00:00:46,440 --> 00:00:48,840 with me as always is my Co host Garrett Quarter. 11 00:00:48,840 --> 00:00:51,400 How we doing? Now we have a pretty big 12 00:00:51,400 --> 00:00:52,680 announcement to make that Garrett. 13 00:00:52,840 --> 00:00:55,600 And as you all know, we've been out of Commission for a bit 14 00:00:55,600 --> 00:00:57,560 because of the flood, the studio chloroform. 15 00:00:57,560 --> 00:01:00,480 But between our regular work week and finding time to get in 16 00:01:00,480 --> 00:01:03,200 here and do some pretty extensive repairs and upgrades. 17 00:01:03,240 --> 00:01:05,280 Extensive. I I wouldn't say extensive. 18 00:01:05,280 --> 00:01:06,480 I don't know. It was pretty extensive. 19 00:01:06,480 --> 00:01:08,520 It took us a little bit. We're finally up and running, 20 00:01:08,560 --> 00:01:12,240 baby. Steel chloroforms back. 21 00:01:12,560 --> 00:01:14,760 Yes, Sir. Now, now in addition to being 22 00:01:14,760 --> 00:01:17,360 back in studio Chloroform, we're taking our team in our 23 00:01:17,360 --> 00:01:19,040 production to the to the next level. 24 00:01:19,560 --> 00:01:23,600 So let's give a huge criminal AF shout out to our new producer, 25 00:01:23,600 --> 00:01:28,440 Casey Moore. Now for those of you have been 26 00:01:28,440 --> 00:01:30,880 listening since back in the early serial Holic days. 27 00:01:30,880 --> 00:01:34,240 Now, Casey and I, we did a couple collabs together and made 28 00:01:34,240 --> 00:01:36,960 the infamous Serial Hall a commercial recorded at Beach 29 00:01:36,960 --> 00:01:39,920 Pond, the site where Michael Ross murdered two of his 30 00:01:39,920 --> 00:01:41,920 victims. Now Casey will be handing 31 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:44,480 handling all of our video content going forward, social 32 00:01:44,480 --> 00:01:47,720 media clips, promo, short films, you know, as well as running the 33 00:01:47,720 --> 00:01:50,640 live recordings and streams. So he'll also be jumping in from 34 00:01:50,640 --> 00:01:52,480 time to time adding his two cents. 35 00:01:52,760 --> 00:01:54,640 So once again, let's hear for Casey. 36 00:01:55,680 --> 00:01:58,240 Got anything to say, Casey? Thanks for having me, I can't 37 00:01:58,240 --> 00:02:00,520 wait to mess up the show. Awesome, can't wait for you to 38 00:02:00,520 --> 00:02:03,320 mess it up. Now before we jump into all the 39 00:02:03,320 --> 00:02:05,400 fun today we just need to go over some things that are 40 00:02:05,560 --> 00:02:08,240 related to criminal AF. 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But there's also you can ask us 97 00:04:44,320 --> 00:04:46,080 anything you want to know about us. 98 00:04:46,520 --> 00:04:48,840 Our deepest, darkest secrets, our hopes and dreams. 99 00:04:49,400 --> 00:04:51,520 Do you like to be the big spoon or a little spoon? 100 00:04:52,200 --> 00:04:53,440 Sometimes I like to be the little spoon. 101 00:04:53,960 --> 00:04:55,760 I do add, that's my favorite, the little spoon. 102 00:04:55,760 --> 00:04:57,680 The little spoon is superior in every other way. 103 00:04:58,120 --> 00:05:00,480 All right, so nothing's off limits now. 104 00:05:00,480 --> 00:05:03,200 We would love to get to all of our questions, but you know, for 105 00:05:03,200 --> 00:05:05,000 time purposes we can only do about two or three. 106 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:07,920 So if you don't hear yours on this particular episode, it will 107 00:05:07,920 --> 00:05:10,760 be coming up on a future episode, so just stand by. 108 00:05:11,400 --> 00:05:15,320 First up we have our good friend of the show Follow Flint now he 109 00:05:15,320 --> 00:05:19,800 just graduated from law school. Oh my God we need a a lawyer on 110 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:22,520 retainer so every time we butcher laws we can just. 111 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:25,480 Well, don't. Don't count your ex, you know. 112 00:05:25,680 --> 00:05:27,640 Oh, he's like 100%. We're keeping all the speed 113 00:05:27,640 --> 00:05:28,760 dial. All right, well. 114 00:05:28,840 --> 00:05:30,440 Let's Flint, you heard that? It's all the vents. 115 00:05:30,440 --> 00:05:32,160 It's all we need. You all right? 116 00:05:32,160 --> 00:05:34,480 So he just graduated from law school along with our other 117 00:05:34,480 --> 00:05:35,840 friends at a show, Lauren and Jamie. 118 00:05:35,840 --> 00:05:38,760 So congratulations to all of you for such a an amazing 119 00:05:38,760 --> 00:05:41,760 achievement. I can't even pass a math class, 120 00:05:41,840 --> 00:05:43,520 so never mind. So that's pretty good. 121 00:05:43,520 --> 00:05:46,200 Now, this question, actually, this question is directed to 122 00:05:46,200 --> 00:05:47,680 you, Garrett. OK, OK. 123 00:05:48,040 --> 00:05:49,400 And follow. Flint wants to know. 124 00:05:49,560 --> 00:05:53,400 Garrett, will you still allow me to listen to the show even if I 125 00:05:53,400 --> 00:05:55,520 become a scumbag defense attorney? 126 00:05:56,280 --> 00:05:57,400 Oh. Gary So. 127 00:05:57,880 --> 00:05:59,680 You're you're trashing these defensive. 128 00:05:59,680 --> 00:06:03,480 No, I, I am, I, I think, I mean, we've, how many episodes have we 129 00:06:03,600 --> 00:06:06,440 gone through where I just talk so much shit on defensive 130 00:06:06,440 --> 00:06:06,840 attorney? Oh yeah. 131 00:06:07,200 --> 00:06:08,760 It's it's pretty much every single one. 132 00:06:09,080 --> 00:06:11,560 But hey, pays the bills it does. Pay the bills. 133 00:06:11,600 --> 00:06:12,840 Better than a prosecutor for sure. 134 00:06:13,280 --> 00:06:16,520 No, I of course, actually like I said, I want to keep you on 135 00:06:16,520 --> 00:06:17,800 retainer. So when we we have any 136 00:06:17,800 --> 00:06:21,880 questions, we can just call up and be like, hey, hey, good. 137 00:06:22,400 --> 00:06:24,120 Well, you're still allowed to listen, man. 138 00:06:24,120 --> 00:06:25,560 Follow Flint. So yeah, even though you're a 139 00:06:25,560 --> 00:06:27,160 scumbag. Even though you're a fucking 140 00:06:27,160 --> 00:06:28,760 scumbag. Now defend those. 141 00:06:28,760 --> 00:06:30,880 Criminals, no. You get to pick and choose your 142 00:06:30,880 --> 00:06:32,520 cases though, right? Yeah, yeah. 143 00:06:32,520 --> 00:06:35,200 So as long as he doesn't defend like some real pieces of shit 144 00:06:35,200 --> 00:06:36,360 then it'll be fine. OK. 145 00:06:36,960 --> 00:06:37,880 All right. Thank you very much. 146 00:06:37,880 --> 00:06:40,040 Follow Flint. Next up, we have Jeanette and 147 00:06:40,040 --> 00:06:43,240 she wants to know, do you prefer cake or pie? 148 00:06:43,600 --> 00:06:45,760 And whatever you pick, what is your favorite flavor? 149 00:06:47,400 --> 00:06:50,040 I think I we just, I, we actually just recently talked 150 00:06:50,040 --> 00:06:51,920 about this. I'm I'm cake. 151 00:06:52,280 --> 00:06:53,080 Your cake? Yeah. 152 00:06:53,280 --> 00:06:55,960 Pies, pies are good. But wait, no, that was us, 153 00:06:55,960 --> 00:06:57,400 Casey. I think we were discussing that 154 00:06:57,400 --> 00:06:58,640 because we were talking tiramisu. 155 00:06:58,920 --> 00:07:00,280 It was. It was the conversation about 156 00:07:00,280 --> 00:07:02,720 tiramisu for sure. I mean, tiramisu was delicious. 157 00:07:02,720 --> 00:07:05,400 Yeah, but it's not cake. That was the argument. 158 00:07:05,400 --> 00:07:07,600 Somebody was like, it's cake. It's not cake, it's not cake. 159 00:07:08,120 --> 00:07:10,760 And and pies are by far better than cake. 160 00:07:10,960 --> 00:07:14,160 Yeah, we know you're a pie guy. Yeah, well, I, I, I will say 161 00:07:14,160 --> 00:07:15,880 this. Like with cake, take birthday 162 00:07:15,880 --> 00:07:17,920 cakes out of the equation. No, but that's the best cake. 163 00:07:17,920 --> 00:07:20,640 Like, no it's not. Shitty birthday cake with crappy 164 00:07:20,800 --> 00:07:24,240 like just a vanilla square cake with shitty frosting. 165 00:07:24,240 --> 00:07:26,000 With strawberry frosting. Oh. 166 00:07:26,120 --> 00:07:27,840 God, it's. The has to be the worst fucking 167 00:07:27,840 --> 00:07:28,280 cake. Ever. 168 00:07:28,280 --> 00:07:31,120 Dude, it's the best. No, the only birthday cake that 169 00:07:31,120 --> 00:07:32,960 I'll that I'll fuck with is is chocolate. 170 00:07:32,960 --> 00:07:34,920 Chocolate. You know, chocolate. 171 00:07:35,240 --> 00:07:37,200 Chocolate. Cake with chocolate frosting. 172 00:07:37,200 --> 00:07:41,800 Yeah, but that's shitty too. It it is, but carrot cake. 173 00:07:42,760 --> 00:07:46,080 No. Carrot cake is the fucking bomb. 174 00:07:46,360 --> 00:07:49,400 Yep, I'll eat carrot cake. Dude put me at the cake table at 175 00:07:49,400 --> 00:07:50,920 like a four year old's birthday party. 176 00:07:50,960 --> 00:07:54,000 I'm fucking I'm, I'm there. Let me go to your kids birthday. 177 00:07:55,480 --> 00:07:57,200 But if somebody came up to me and said, hey, what do you 178 00:07:57,200 --> 00:07:58,320 prefer? A cake or or pie? 179 00:07:58,320 --> 00:08:00,360 I'm going to say pie. I'm going to, yeah. 180 00:08:00,600 --> 00:08:02,920 I mean, it's good, but I just. You can't be an apple pie, 181 00:08:02,920 --> 00:08:04,360 especially a warm apple pie, when. 182 00:08:04,840 --> 00:08:06,800 It's slice a slice of cheddar on it a. 183 00:08:06,800 --> 00:08:08,920 Little slice of cheddar. OK, All right. 184 00:08:08,920 --> 00:08:10,120 I got you. Ed Gein. 185 00:08:11,760 --> 00:08:13,280 I feel like that's such an old person thing. 186 00:08:13,360 --> 00:08:14,000 I. Know, but it's. 187 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:16,640 Good. We I've actually learned that 188 00:08:16,640 --> 00:08:19,320 from it, the Ed Gein episode, and it is it's you tried it. 189 00:08:19,320 --> 00:08:21,840 Yeah, delish. It's got to be melted on it, 190 00:08:21,840 --> 00:08:23,080 though. You can't just throw a slice. 191 00:08:23,120 --> 00:08:24,680 Did you try the warm apple pie that I gave you? 192 00:08:24,680 --> 00:08:27,240 No, with the hole in the middle. Of it, No, I didn't, Dave. 193 00:08:27,400 --> 00:08:30,680 No, no. How many parties? 194 00:08:30,880 --> 00:08:33,039 Do they think it's a joke? It's not a joke. 195 00:08:34,360 --> 00:08:37,919 I will definitely choose pie 100%, but if I'm given a cake, I 196 00:08:37,960 --> 00:08:40,640 I would want to be carrot cake. I love fucking carrot cake. 197 00:08:41,280 --> 00:08:42,760 All right, so thank you very much, Jeanette. 198 00:08:42,880 --> 00:08:47,080 I I like that question. Next is the Saintist St. 199 00:08:47,600 --> 00:08:49,160 They want to know. Here's a good one. 200 00:08:49,480 --> 00:08:53,280 Out of all the last meals, what is your favorite or most 201 00:08:53,280 --> 00:08:55,320 appealing last meal? Out of. 202 00:08:55,960 --> 00:08:57,040 Former. Former. 203 00:08:57,040 --> 00:08:59,360 Whatever. No one last meals of criminals. 204 00:09:00,400 --> 00:09:01,880 Well, let's see. We got the list here. 205 00:09:03,120 --> 00:09:04,480 Go ahead, read. Start reading through some of 206 00:09:04,480 --> 00:09:06,440 them. All right, Well, so we can. 207 00:09:06,760 --> 00:09:11,080 Discuss which one You OK? We got a let's Well, we can go 208 00:09:11,320 --> 00:09:15,800 John Wayne Gacy, right? So he owned AKFC, you know, So 209 00:09:15,800 --> 00:09:18,080 of course he had to have the bucket of KFC chicken. 210 00:09:18,080 --> 00:09:21,040 He's had 12 fried prawns. Those are like what? 211 00:09:21,040 --> 00:09:23,280 Shrimp Prawns. Yeah, they're like larger. 212 00:09:23,360 --> 00:09:24,160 Shrimp. Larger shrimps? 213 00:09:24,200 --> 00:09:27,600 Yeah, a pound of strawberries and French fries and a Diet 214 00:09:27,600 --> 00:09:29,320 Coke. The pound of strawberries throws 215 00:09:29,320 --> 00:09:31,200 me off every time I hear that. Yeah. 216 00:09:31,200 --> 00:09:33,440 It's just so out of the. I don't know, it just seems 217 00:09:33,440 --> 00:09:37,280 creepy to me. It seems very gacy a pound of 218 00:09:37,280 --> 00:09:39,200 fresh strawberries. Like, I don't know, there's just 219 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:41,280 something weird about that 'cause you got KFC chicken, 220 00:09:42,120 --> 00:09:46,040 shrimp, French fries, a Diet Coke, and then a pound of fresh 221 00:09:46,040 --> 00:09:47,240 strawberries. That's very. 222 00:09:47,240 --> 00:09:49,160 Yeah, now that you mentioned it, a pound of French, it's just 223 00:09:49,240 --> 00:09:49,680 out. Of the. 224 00:09:49,920 --> 00:09:51,560 Out of the norm. It's weird. 225 00:09:51,960 --> 00:09:55,240 My thought was the Diet Coke, like dude, you're about to 226 00:09:55,240 --> 00:09:57,800 fucking die, who cares if you have a a lot of people, what are 227 00:09:57,800 --> 00:10:00,040 you trying to do? Diet Coke a lot of people like 228 00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:02,120 the taste like. It tastes like fucking rubbing 229 00:10:02,120 --> 00:10:04,240 alcohol. Diet Coke. 230 00:10:04,600 --> 00:10:06,240 I like it. I don't like a Diet Coke every 231 00:10:06,240 --> 00:10:07,000 now and then. Coke's good. 232 00:10:08,240 --> 00:10:09,400 I don't know. You guys are crazy. 233 00:10:09,600 --> 00:10:11,800 I think you guys should be on this fucking list. 234 00:10:12,720 --> 00:10:15,000 Like regular Coke is just too there's too much sugar. 235 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:15,760 It's. Too sweet. 236 00:10:16,320 --> 00:10:18,800 OK, I think that's why even a Diet Coke's just as bad. 237 00:10:18,800 --> 00:10:20,240 For you, I will fuck with a Coke Zero though. 238 00:10:20,240 --> 00:10:21,920 Coke Zero's good. It's not. 239 00:10:21,960 --> 00:10:24,200 No, it's not the same as that. I know it's different, It does 240 00:10:24,200 --> 00:10:25,200 have a different taste. Yeah. 241 00:10:25,960 --> 00:10:28,240 All right. So I mean, yeah, that's good. 242 00:10:28,240 --> 00:10:30,400 That's that's a iconic, Yeah, it's iconic. 243 00:10:30,840 --> 00:10:33,800 Timothy McVeigh. All right, The the Oklahoma City 244 00:10:33,800 --> 00:10:37,000 bomber there, he just wanted 2 pints of mint chocolate chip 245 00:10:37,040 --> 00:10:37,440 ice. Cream. 246 00:10:37,440 --> 00:10:39,680 Underrated pick in my opinion. Yeah. 247 00:10:39,800 --> 00:10:42,160 You like mint chocolate chip? No, I'm just, I'm just thinking 248 00:10:42,160 --> 00:10:44,800 of like as a last meal to like ice cream. 249 00:10:44,800 --> 00:10:46,480 I don't know. It's, it's a underrated pick. 250 00:10:46,480 --> 00:10:47,800 It's actually. There's a couple people that 251 00:10:47,800 --> 00:10:49,080 the. Last thing you have on this 252 00:10:49,080 --> 00:10:50,120 earth is ice cream. It's not. 253 00:10:50,120 --> 00:10:52,120 That's not horrible. I would I would go for an ice 254 00:10:52,160 --> 00:10:53,720 cream. Plus, you don't want to have a 255 00:10:53,720 --> 00:10:56,120 full belly when you die, right? I don't think so. 256 00:10:56,200 --> 00:10:58,680 See, now, if Gacy would have would have mentioned all of that 257 00:10:58,680 --> 00:11:00,680 and then replace the strawberries with fucking ice 258 00:11:00,680 --> 00:11:02,840 cream, Oh, yeah, that would have been classic. 259 00:11:03,520 --> 00:11:05,760 But he gets knocked down a notch for that. 260 00:11:06,200 --> 00:11:08,160 All right, Eileen, your girl Eileen. 261 00:11:08,560 --> 00:11:10,080 She was like, you know what? I'm not hungry. 262 00:11:10,480 --> 00:11:12,120 I just want a cup of black coffee. 263 00:11:12,200 --> 00:11:15,240 That's all she wants. Like, like a true Alcoholic 264 00:11:15,560 --> 00:11:18,760 Anonymous pick. Let me just get a black coffee. 265 00:11:18,760 --> 00:11:20,640 I'm going to sit in the back of the room and just listen. 266 00:11:20,640 --> 00:11:23,720 I don't want to tell my story. It's just, I don't know, black 267 00:11:23,720 --> 00:11:25,760 coffee seems like such a Eileen thing to do. 268 00:11:25,840 --> 00:11:28,880 Yeah, all right, so now we got Richard Cooley. 269 00:11:28,920 --> 00:11:32,000 All right, so people that don't know who Richard is, he raped, 270 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:35,680 stabbed and tortured 2 college students in Akron, OH in 1986. 271 00:11:36,080 --> 00:11:39,160 Now his last meal is. This was the This was the go to. 272 00:11:39,560 --> 00:11:41,000 For sure. T-bone steak. 273 00:11:41,400 --> 00:11:45,560 He's got onion rings, French fries, four fried eggs, buttered 274 00:11:45,560 --> 00:11:50,840 toast, hash Browns, a bucket of Rocky Road ice cream, bear claw 275 00:11:50,920 --> 00:11:54,760 pastries, oh OK, and a two liter bottle of Mountain Dew. 276 00:11:55,000 --> 00:11:57,280 That that is, that's gotta be. He's going out on top. 277 00:11:57,800 --> 00:11:59,760 He's going out on top. There's like everything good. 278 00:12:00,600 --> 00:12:02,000 There's no way he finished all that either. 279 00:12:03,000 --> 00:12:06,040 I would say no, but I bet you had a fucking hell of a. 280 00:12:06,040 --> 00:12:07,200 I'm gonna get a little morbid here. 281 00:12:07,600 --> 00:12:10,040 The gases that were coming out of that guy's body after he. 282 00:12:10,760 --> 00:12:12,520 Started. Like, yeah, what he started like 283 00:12:12,520 --> 00:12:16,400 must have been you probably could start smelling it after he 284 00:12:16,400 --> 00:12:18,080 started after like when they were pulling him off the. 285 00:12:18,080 --> 00:12:21,600 Table for sure. Imagine that fucking the rocky 286 00:12:21,600 --> 00:12:23,640 road ice cream. He's getting fried. 287 00:12:23,640 --> 00:12:27,840 Fried rocky road ice cream. Akron, OH have an unlimited. 288 00:12:28,040 --> 00:12:30,200 Yeah, budget, that's what I that's what I was thinking too, 289 00:12:30,880 --> 00:12:32,680 because there there's, there's got to be a limit, right. 290 00:12:33,080 --> 00:12:36,120 Some states have limits. I feel like if you're going to 291 00:12:36,120 --> 00:12:37,160 kill. Somebody you might as well. 292 00:12:37,560 --> 00:12:38,520 You got to give them what they want. 293 00:12:38,600 --> 00:12:39,920 Yeah, you got to go out. Yeah. 294 00:12:40,280 --> 00:12:42,280 Yeah, they, they deserve they've they've earned the the. 295 00:12:42,280 --> 00:12:47,360 State's still killing you. Their state is still killing 296 00:12:47,360 --> 00:12:48,800 you. You got to give them a look. 297 00:12:48,800 --> 00:12:51,160 Come on, we can afford. Yeah, congratulations on raping 298 00:12:51,160 --> 00:12:52,520 and murdering those fucking women. 299 00:12:52,520 --> 00:12:56,160 But yeah, hey, we'll give you a fucking the rocky road. 300 00:12:56,200 --> 00:12:58,120 The one thing I will sub out though, 2 liter bottle of 301 00:12:58,120 --> 00:13:01,240 Mountain Dew is just wild. That's a very Florida Man thing. 302 00:13:01,640 --> 00:13:02,800 Two liter bottle Mountain Dew. Yeah. 303 00:13:02,800 --> 00:13:05,160 I'm not a Mountain Dew fan, no. I'm surprised that didn't kill 304 00:13:05,160 --> 00:13:08,160 him. Actually, Mountain Dew is is the 305 00:13:08,360 --> 00:13:11,080 official drink of West Virginia. There we go. 306 00:13:11,480 --> 00:13:14,720 I'm not, I'm not even kidding. Like there Mountain Dew sales, 307 00:13:14,720 --> 00:13:16,400 this is look it up. Mountain Dew sales in West 308 00:13:16,400 --> 00:13:17,960 Virginia. Oh man, that doesn't. 309 00:13:18,560 --> 00:13:20,560 Tell you something about? If there's anybody here that's 310 00:13:20,560 --> 00:13:22,680 listening from West Virginia to confirm this or not, Mountain 311 00:13:22,680 --> 00:13:24,280 Dew is the official fucking state drink. 312 00:13:24,320 --> 00:13:26,480 I'm not even kidding. Do they even have like the 313 00:13:26,480 --> 00:13:30,360 Internet in West Virginia? It's just trailer after trailer 314 00:13:30,360 --> 00:13:32,600 after trailer cancelled. There's some nicer parts of West 315 00:13:32,600 --> 00:13:37,760 Virginia but majority of West Virginia is hillbilly for sure. 316 00:13:38,200 --> 00:13:40,320 Ring a Ding Ding. It makes sense that Mountain Dew 317 00:13:40,320 --> 00:13:44,600 is the most drink beverage. Because I got 2 teeth ring a 318 00:13:44,640 --> 00:13:46,720 Ding, Ding, Ding, Ding. All right. 319 00:13:46,720 --> 00:13:49,000 Next up, we got Lawrence Russell Brewer. 320 00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:53,480 Now this guy, he killed a man named James Bird by beating him 321 00:13:53,680 --> 00:13:57,000 and chaining him by the ankles and dragging him with a Ute. 322 00:13:57,000 --> 00:13:58,520 What's a Ute? Anybody know where the Ute is? 323 00:13:58,520 --> 00:13:59,920 I don't know. It's like a tractor or 324 00:13:59,920 --> 00:14:00,960 something. It's got to be some sort of 325 00:14:00,960 --> 00:14:03,920 heavy machinery. Yeah, he dragged him for 3 1/2 326 00:14:03,920 --> 00:14:07,120 miles until Bird's head was decapitated. 327 00:14:07,360 --> 00:14:08,400 That's wild. So. 328 00:14:08,400 --> 00:14:10,640 I'm actually surprised it took 3 1/2 miles. 329 00:14:10,680 --> 00:14:12,200 Yeah. All right, so listen to this 330 00:14:12,200 --> 00:14:14,960 guy's fucking order here. He's got two fried chicken, 331 00:14:14,960 --> 00:14:19,440 steaks, gravy, a triple cheeseburger with bacon, a 332 00:14:19,560 --> 00:14:25,080 cheese omelet, a bowl of okra, a pound of barbecued meat, 1/2 333 00:14:25,080 --> 00:14:29,160 loaf of white bread, 3 fajitas, a large meat lovers pizza. 334 00:14:29,160 --> 00:14:34,080 There's no way. 3 root beers, a bucket of ice cream, and a slab 335 00:14:34,080 --> 00:14:38,200 of peanut butter fudge. Now when the food arrived, brew 336 00:14:38,200 --> 00:14:39,680 was like. Nah, I'm not hungry. 337 00:14:39,680 --> 00:14:41,000 Oh, that's good. I like that. 338 00:14:41,360 --> 00:14:44,920 And this led you this led to the state of Texas to stop granting 339 00:14:44,920 --> 00:14:46,560 last meal requests. Whoa. 340 00:14:46,800 --> 00:14:48,520 They get what basic? Ohh. 341 00:14:48,760 --> 00:14:50,520 They're pussies. They get the basic meal. 342 00:14:50,680 --> 00:14:53,600 That's crazy that they got so mad that he didn't eat the food. 343 00:14:53,760 --> 00:14:56,280 Yeah, and they went out and that they pass an actual law if. 344 00:14:56,760 --> 00:14:58,960 That's crazy. Yeah, that's petty to me. 345 00:14:59,240 --> 00:15:00,920 I don't know, that's a lot of fucking shit though. 346 00:15:01,360 --> 00:15:02,720 Fuck it. That's a lot of shit. 347 00:15:02,720 --> 00:15:06,240 Slab of peanut butter slab. Of butter fudge, they just, 348 00:15:06,240 --> 00:15:08,400 yeah, they got the whole that's first square that comes out 349 00:15:08,400 --> 00:15:12,960 before they cut it up. All right, Next up we got the. 350 00:15:13,680 --> 00:15:16,080 Infamous. Infamous Ted Bundy, Ted. 351 00:15:16,240 --> 00:15:17,840 Bundy. I was going to, I was going to 352 00:15:17,880 --> 00:15:18,960 think of it as Monica. What was it? 353 00:15:18,960 --> 00:15:21,520 Oh, the lady killer. That was his moniker, The lady 354 00:15:21,520 --> 00:15:22,760 killer. Ted Bundy. 355 00:15:23,320 --> 00:15:25,120 All right. He just wanted whatever the 356 00:15:25,160 --> 00:15:27,760 default last meal was for the state of Florida, which was 357 00:15:27,760 --> 00:15:31,680 steak, eggs, toast with butter and jam, hash Browns, coffee and 358 00:15:31,680 --> 00:15:32,760 juice. Classic. 359 00:15:33,360 --> 00:15:35,680 Classic, though, it's. Basically breakfast for dinner. 360 00:15:36,400 --> 00:15:37,800 That might be my choice. So far I don't. 361 00:15:37,800 --> 00:15:39,200 Know breakfast for dinner is pretty good. 362 00:15:39,200 --> 00:15:41,880 I like that. All right, then we got Ricky Ray 363 00:15:41,880 --> 00:15:44,560 Rector, and this is our last one we're going to choose from. 364 00:15:44,920 --> 00:15:47,440 In 1981, Ricky Ray Rector he shot three people at a 365 00:15:47,440 --> 00:15:50,360 restaurant in Arkansas, then murdered a police officer while 366 00:15:50,360 --> 00:15:54,080 pretending to surrender. Rector then shot himself in the 367 00:15:54,080 --> 00:15:57,240 head in a suicide attempt. He survived, but the injury left 368 00:15:57,240 --> 00:16:00,200 him with serious brain damage that rendered him mentally 369 00:16:00,200 --> 00:16:01,920 disabled. I thought you couldn't kill 370 00:16:01,920 --> 00:16:03,840 somebody who was mentally disabled. 371 00:16:03,960 --> 00:16:05,720 I thought that was like. Well, I'm sure that the crime 372 00:16:05,720 --> 00:16:08,280 happened before the incident. OK, Yeah, yeah. 373 00:16:08,280 --> 00:16:09,080 You know what I mean? Yeah. 374 00:16:09,960 --> 00:16:12,240 All right. So Ricky Ray. 375 00:16:12,360 --> 00:16:17,520 He ordered steak, fried chicken, a slice of pecan pie and cherry 376 00:16:17,520 --> 00:16:20,040 Kool-aid. You ruined it with cherry 377 00:16:20,040 --> 00:16:22,440 Kool-aid. He ate everything before his 378 00:16:22,440 --> 00:16:25,240 execution, but he told the prison guard he was saving the 379 00:16:25,240 --> 00:16:27,040 pecan pie for later. I like it. 380 00:16:27,320 --> 00:16:28,520 Yeah. I like you got to add some 381 00:16:28,520 --> 00:16:30,400 mystique in your death story, you know what I mean? 382 00:16:30,600 --> 00:16:32,160 How creepy. I imagine being the prison 383 00:16:32,160 --> 00:16:33,200 guard. You got it. 384 00:16:33,200 --> 00:16:34,520 That's what I mean. He's like, I'm just going to 385 00:16:34,520 --> 00:16:35,880 save this pie for later. You're like. 386 00:16:37,040 --> 00:16:37,760 What? What? 387 00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:40,200 I'll be back, Yeah. All right, So out of those who 388 00:16:40,320 --> 00:16:45,600 who you, who you choosing? I'm not for the food, but I 389 00:16:45,600 --> 00:16:47,480 think I'm going to go with Lawrence Brewer. 390 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:49,480 I'm gonna go at Lawrence Brewer. Too, I think. 391 00:16:49,480 --> 00:16:51,200 I think. It's see how you don't because. 392 00:16:51,200 --> 00:16:53,920 Yeah, it's it's like a big old fuck you on your last one, but. 393 00:16:54,200 --> 00:16:57,920 Oh so do do you guys not eat it? Yeah, that's I'm, I'm picking 394 00:16:57,920 --> 00:17:00,440 him because I like how he ordered all that food and just 395 00:17:00,440 --> 00:17:02,240 said, Nah, I'm not hungry. I don't know. 396 00:17:02,520 --> 00:17:05,079 Are you not eating it though? Oh, I eat it if if you're there. 397 00:17:05,079 --> 00:17:07,240 If I'm looking at, I'm looking at his lineup, that's that's 398 00:17:07,359 --> 00:17:09,240 that is just. Yeah, 'cause the reason why I 399 00:17:09,240 --> 00:17:11,319 was, I was like, oh, the variety there alone is. 400 00:17:11,680 --> 00:17:14,720 Yeah, plus the three root beers, you get extra points if you go 401 00:17:14,720 --> 00:17:18,560 like like a craft root beer. You don't ask for the barks, you 402 00:17:18,599 --> 00:17:20,720 ask for like, you know, like the the root beer that you get at 403 00:17:20,720 --> 00:17:22,520 the fair. You know what I'm trying to say? 404 00:17:22,520 --> 00:17:25,800 Like the the glass bottle? Like the home brewed, yes. 405 00:17:25,800 --> 00:17:27,400 Root beer, yes. OK, I got you. 406 00:17:27,400 --> 00:17:31,160 I'm a big sucker for a good like organic clap organic, but you 407 00:17:31,160 --> 00:17:32,800 know what I mean? Yeah, I'm going with homemade. 408 00:17:32,880 --> 00:17:34,680 I'm going with this guy's last meal. 409 00:17:35,400 --> 00:17:38,600 The only thing that's kind of like intriguing me is the the 410 00:17:38,600 --> 00:17:40,680 bucket of ice cream. Like what kind of ice cream? 411 00:17:41,040 --> 00:17:43,000 It doesn't say. Probably just went vanilla. 412 00:17:43,480 --> 00:17:45,600 Yeah. It's like a 5 gallon bucket of 413 00:17:45,640 --> 00:17:47,720 ice. Cream Black Raspberry Tub black 414 00:17:47,720 --> 00:17:49,400 Raspberry. You like black Raspberry? 415 00:17:49,880 --> 00:17:50,600 We had this. Discussion. 416 00:17:50,640 --> 00:17:51,720 Oh yeah, I called you an old man. 417 00:17:51,720 --> 00:17:52,720 You called me a 90 year old dude? 418 00:17:52,720 --> 00:17:54,560 Yeah. Black Raspberry ice cream is. 419 00:17:54,600 --> 00:17:56,520 Definitely. Do you want some? 420 00:17:56,520 --> 00:17:59,440 Pistachio with that day. I'm liking all of that stuff on 421 00:17:59,440 --> 00:18:00,320 here. Yeah, I think I'm going. 422 00:18:00,320 --> 00:18:01,120 Yeah. Lawrence Brewer. 423 00:18:01,120 --> 00:18:02,800 I mean, it's it's. Before my surgery. 424 00:18:02,800 --> 00:18:05,560 Ted Bundy close second. Before my surgery I could eat 425 00:18:05,560 --> 00:18:08,000 all of this. Now you probably 1 sitting 426 00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:10,120 fucked up in one sitting. I could probably eat all that 427 00:18:10,760 --> 00:18:12,880 large meat lovers pizza. Oh, yeah, yeah. 428 00:18:12,880 --> 00:18:14,880 I'm going with Brewer, Brewer, Brewer, Brewer. 429 00:18:14,920 --> 00:18:16,600 All right. So thank you very much, St. to 430 00:18:16,600 --> 00:18:18,400 Saint, That was a good question. That was a good one. 431 00:18:18,920 --> 00:18:23,680 All right, Next up and finally we have Kate Goanna and she asks 432 00:18:23,960 --> 00:18:27,040 when are you guys going on tour and when are you coming down 433 00:18:27,040 --> 00:18:28,840 under? I would love to go. 434 00:18:28,840 --> 00:18:30,040 I would. Fucking love that shit. 435 00:18:30,320 --> 00:18:32,000 Love it, love it. That's that's definitely a 436 00:18:32,000 --> 00:18:34,360 fucking pucker list item. Well, the goal is. 437 00:18:34,360 --> 00:18:35,520 Kate's got to show us around, too. 438 00:18:35,720 --> 00:18:36,320 Kate. Yeah. 439 00:18:36,480 --> 00:18:40,560 Oh, she yeah, she would 100%. Now the goal is eventually to 440 00:18:40,560 --> 00:18:43,400 become the greatest true crime podcast in the world. 441 00:18:43,480 --> 00:18:46,120 Listen, we already are. I've, I've told you this 1000 442 00:18:46,120 --> 00:18:48,440 times, Dave, are we have the highest numbers? 443 00:18:48,520 --> 00:18:51,240 Nobody look it up. We're the number one true. 444 00:18:51,240 --> 00:18:52,080 Crime. Nobody else in. 445 00:18:52,080 --> 00:18:53,000 The world. Don't look it up. 446 00:18:53,160 --> 00:18:54,120 Just take my word. Don't. 447 00:18:54,200 --> 00:18:54,760 Yeah. Listen. 448 00:18:55,040 --> 00:18:56,840 We have a producer now. We do listen. 449 00:18:56,840 --> 00:18:58,160 We're we're doing big things here. 450 00:18:58,160 --> 00:19:02,600 Yeah, this guy gets 300 KA year, six weeks of paid paid. 451 00:19:02,600 --> 00:19:04,280 Vacation. Wow, What do we get? 452 00:19:04,280 --> 00:19:05,320 We don't get shit. Don't get shit. 453 00:19:06,040 --> 00:19:07,760 We gotta we. Gotta put it all into our 454 00:19:07,760 --> 00:19:09,760 producer. What's great about this is now I 455 00:19:09,760 --> 00:19:13,000 have a official record, this is a basically a verbal contract on 456 00:19:13,080 --> 00:19:14,800 what? A verbal contract now if we do 457 00:19:14,800 --> 00:19:17,440 make it big, now we gotta pay this guy fucking this much with 458 00:19:18,440 --> 00:19:20,480 six weeks. I don't. 459 00:19:20,480 --> 00:19:22,160 I don't see anything written Yeah the the. 460 00:19:22,760 --> 00:19:24,160 Verbal contracts are enforceable. 461 00:19:25,240 --> 00:19:27,880 I I honestly think that I'm probably just ruining the show 462 00:19:27,880 --> 00:19:30,320 more than helping, but hey if you want to pay me top dollar 463 00:19:30,320 --> 00:19:31,560 for it. It's all good. 464 00:19:31,760 --> 00:19:32,760 It's good. It's good. 465 00:19:33,480 --> 00:19:36,240 Yeah. So once we, our our goal is to 466 00:19:36,240 --> 00:19:38,560 go on tour. I would love to do a fucking 467 00:19:38,560 --> 00:19:41,960 live tour. Love, love, love it and 468 00:19:42,200 --> 00:19:44,840 eventually one day, that will include Australia. 469 00:19:44,920 --> 00:19:46,600 Oh yeah, that's the bucket list for sure. 470 00:19:46,600 --> 00:19:48,680 Yeah, 'cause we have, we have a lot of friends out there in 471 00:19:48,680 --> 00:19:50,440 Australia after after the United States. 472 00:19:50,440 --> 00:19:54,400 Australia is our second highest followed country I guess which? 473 00:19:54,400 --> 00:19:55,560 Is still crazy to me. Yeah. 474 00:19:56,080 --> 00:19:57,800 Love you guys out there though, thank you for listening. 475 00:19:57,800 --> 00:20:02,640 And then Canada and UK. So yeah, we, we, we definitely. 476 00:20:02,640 --> 00:20:05,760 Let's let's also be honest, that would be more of a leisure thing 477 00:20:05,760 --> 00:20:06,960 too. Just to go to. 478 00:20:06,960 --> 00:20:08,000 Australia. Yeah. 479 00:20:08,880 --> 00:20:10,200 Yeah, I don't want to just record. 480 00:20:10,200 --> 00:20:11,360 I want to go hang out with everybody. 481 00:20:12,040 --> 00:20:14,720 I wanna go sightseeing. You you you end up not filming 482 00:20:14,720 --> 00:20:16,280 that episode at all while you're out. 483 00:20:16,680 --> 00:20:18,680 There no we we'd have to do one but a tour. 484 00:20:18,760 --> 00:20:23,640 We'd have to do at least four dates because those are like the 485 00:20:23,640 --> 00:20:27,800 primary areas. We'd have to do Sydney area. 486 00:20:28,040 --> 00:20:30,440 Yes. For sure all the people from Yas 487 00:20:30,480 --> 00:20:35,200 can come. We'd have to do Adelaide. 100% 488 00:20:36,240 --> 00:20:38,960 Melbourne. They have to do Melbourne and 489 00:20:39,720 --> 00:20:42,960 Perth out there in the West. And probably lock up the Sydney 490 00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:44,040 Opera House. Yeah. 491 00:20:44,280 --> 00:20:47,160 Oh, without a question. Yeah, we tell them we're the 492 00:20:47,160 --> 00:20:49,200 number, we have true crime. Podcast in the world. 493 00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:50,760 We'd have to. We'd have to turn people away. 494 00:20:50,800 --> 00:20:52,120 Yeah, sorry. How? 495 00:20:52,440 --> 00:20:53,240 Many seats. Does that hold? 496 00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:55,360 I have no idea. Not enough, probably. 497 00:20:55,360 --> 00:20:56,880 Standing room only have it probably more. 498 00:20:56,960 --> 00:20:59,880 Yeah, you could get your boat and and be out in the freaking 499 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:01,840 Bay and watch it. I like it. 500 00:21:02,080 --> 00:21:04,200 I like it. So yeah, eventually we'll be out 501 00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:06,400 there. Promises, promises, promises. 502 00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:09,320 We'll get there. All right, Dave, time to go to 503 00:21:09,320 --> 00:21:15,720 Florida. What in the fuck is going on in 504 00:21:15,800 --> 00:21:18,840 Florida? God, I love that intro. 505 00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:23,840 All right, you ready? Florida Man takes a bite out of 506 00:21:23,840 --> 00:21:27,280 a deputy's head during a wild rampage at EDM. 507 00:21:27,280 --> 00:21:29,440 Festival. You ever been to idiot like a 508 00:21:29,440 --> 00:21:32,440 music festival? Have you ever never went like a 509 00:21:32,440 --> 00:21:34,400 three day Bender? Not Oh man. 510 00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:37,960 No, not you're. Missing out of time A wild scene 511 00:21:37,960 --> 00:21:42,240 unfolded at the Soul Fest 2024 Music and Arts Festival down in 512 00:21:42,240 --> 00:21:46,560 Ponce de Leon, FL when a man went all out by. 513 00:21:46,560 --> 00:21:48,600 Taking a chump. Out of the deputies during a 514 00:21:48,600 --> 00:21:51,400 wild rampage on Sunday. Huntsville is my favorite 515 00:21:51,400 --> 00:21:54,360 explorer. Really colonizer? 516 00:21:56,120 --> 00:21:59,040 According to the Holmes County Sheriff's Office Facebook posts, 517 00:21:59,040 --> 00:22:02,000 chaos ensued when James Michael Anderson, a festival worker, 518 00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:05,760 went off the rails under the influence get this of a cocktail 519 00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:11,280 of a substances including PCPLSD, ketamine, mushrooms and 520 00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:13,160 ecstasy. What the fuck, dude? 521 00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:16,920 Was on another planet and I. Wasn't even a fucking alive. 522 00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:20,680 I don't know it, it must have been like First off ecstasy 523 00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:21,720 could have all those things in it. 524 00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:23,360 You never know. It's cut with a whole bunch of 525 00:22:23,360 --> 00:22:24,760 shit. So whatever he popped positive 526 00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:29,000 it could have had but still PCP like you double stacking all 527 00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:30,520 those is crazy. That's wild. 528 00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:33,920 Yeah, you're on another planet. Anderson faced charges of 529 00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:36,600 aggravated aggravated battery on a law enforcement officer. 530 00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:37,760 He. Probably didn't even realize he 531 00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:39,200 was. No, no, he probably was. 532 00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:40,680 In thought it was like a fucking cantaloupe. 533 00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:42,880 Especially like if you ever watched like episodes of Cops 534 00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:46,840 and like when they come across a duster like anybody on PCP, dude 535 00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:48,240 they'll get shot and just keep going. 536 00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:50,560 It's wild. Fucking crazy. 537 00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:55,720 Where was I? Aggravated assault, battery on a 538 00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:58,240 law enforcement officer and resisting arrest with violence 539 00:22:58,240 --> 00:23:01,640 after sinking his teeth into a Holmes County deputy's head 540 00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:04,880 during a frenzied attack amid festivals beats. 541 00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:08,280 So this was during the concert. During the assault, Anderson not 542 00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:10,680 only went for the deputy's head, but also made a grab at the 543 00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:13,280 officer's gun, escalating the situation to new heights of 544 00:23:13,280 --> 00:23:15,520 insanity. We're going to bring up the 545 00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:18,680 picture of the officer's head. Look at all you can show you 546 00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:20,360 right now. Look at the chunk. 547 00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:23,000 What the? Fuck dude, cancel out. 548 00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:26,280 It's gotta be nutty. That is, that's like a, a, a 549 00:23:27,120 --> 00:23:29,040 like, that's not like a bite. That's the actual chunk. 550 00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:31,920 Yeah, it's a chunk. The sheriff officer shared a 551 00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:34,440 stomach churning image of the deputy's injury, showcasing the 552 00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:38,400 aftermath of Anderson's unhinged attack when attempts to subdue 553 00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:41,960 Anderson with the Taser failed. Yeah, 'cause he was on PCP, it 554 00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:43,840 took multiple deputies to bring him under control. 555 00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:46,560 Both Anderson and the injured deputy required hospitalization 556 00:23:46,560 --> 00:23:48,560 for their wounds after the chaotic festival scene. 557 00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:52,560 Soul Fest and annual gathering held at Vortex Spring descended 558 00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:55,920 into madness from May 2nd to May 5th, leaving attendees shaken by 559 00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:57,800 the outrageous events that have unfolded that. 560 00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:02,040 Is fucking wild holy shit. The First off, to be able to 561 00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:04,280 take a chunk out of someone's head like that, like that's to 562 00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:06,560 the bone, that's to the skull. Yeah, you really got to be 563 00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:09,360 digging deep for that one. Well, I mean PCP, I mean, also 564 00:24:09,360 --> 00:24:12,440 like there was a guy who ate the guy in Miami who was, who was 565 00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:14,240 that supposed to be? Spice bath salts. 566 00:24:14,360 --> 00:24:17,000 Bath salts. But bath salts is synthetic PCP 567 00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:18,680 at the end of the day. You know what I mean? 568 00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:21,120 It's it's just a wild drug. I've seen so many videos of 569 00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:24,840 people just take gunshots, Taser, like Tasers fail, Doesn't 570 00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:27,200 it Doesn't matter. You're in like another world. 571 00:24:27,360 --> 00:24:28,480 And then you mix. Yeah. 572 00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:30,800 And then you mix every other drug under the sun. 573 00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:32,880 That's just it's it's impressive that he was still standing. 574 00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:34,760 Imagine sitting at the cops, probably like getting into the 575 00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:38,480 fucking, you know? Also he's got this fucking dude 576 00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:41,000 biting his head. I will say from experience 577 00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:43,080 though, like those music festivals get a little. 578 00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:45,960 A little wild. Yeah, a little little crazy. 579 00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:48,400 Yeah. There's always somebody who wigs 580 00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:50,240 out. There's always somebody like 581 00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:53,720 anybody, any listener who's been to a Dead head, you know, those 582 00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:56,040 are who are Dead heads, Grateful Dead concerts, those kind of 583 00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:56,400 things. You. 584 00:24:56,440 --> 00:24:59,480 There's always somebody in the front just doing like hand 585 00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:01,000 circles, like out of out of their mind. 586 00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:04,480 It's wild. But to be fair, good times. 587 00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:07,240 Sounds like a good time, except unless you get a chunk taken out 588 00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:10,280 of your skull. But leave it up to a Florida 589 00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:13,320 man. Even our producer he he does 590 00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:14,480 bath salts every once in a while. 591 00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:21,240 No, that's that's a lie. He has to to fucking sign up for 592 00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:25,520 this shit. All right, well, that was a 593 00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:28,080 fucked up fucking Florida man. But we're going to jump right 594 00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:31,280 into this fucked up story about a man out of Utah and his 595 00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:34,200 daughter is making a horrific discovery while cleaning out 596 00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:36,560 their garage. Shout out real quick to Chris 597 00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:38,360 Owen for doing the research on the story. 598 00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:41,040 Cheeky. We love you. 599 00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:44,400 Yeah, so to go ahead and climb in bed, relax, throw your 600 00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:47,160 headphones on, punch your significant other in the face 601 00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:49,200 and blame it on the night terrors because it's time to 602 00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:52,520 fuck this episode in the mouth. Jesus, that was aggressive. 603 00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:56,920 Oh yeah, little violence in bed. Hey, never hurt anybody, all 604 00:25:56,920 --> 00:26:00,600 right? So now on April 12th, 2014, a 605 00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:04,000 man by the name of Darren W was cleaning out the garage of the 606 00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:06,560 home he once shared with his wife Megan and their three 607 00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:11,600 daughters located at 536 E 200 N in Pleasant Grove, UT, which is 608 00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:14,840 about 35 miles away from Salt Lake City and has a population 609 00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:18,240 of about 38,000 people. Now why do I say once shared 610 00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:20,560 Garrett? It's because nine years earlier 611 00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:23,640 in 2005, our friend Darren here was charged and convicted for 612 00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:25,240 running a meth lab out of the home. 613 00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:28,880 He pled the two counts of having chemical intended for 614 00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:31,680 manufacturing methamphetamine and was sentenced to nine years 615 00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:34,480 in prison. So on this day, April 12th, 616 00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:38,000 Darren was living in a halfway house and received a 48 hour 617 00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:40,920 pass to come home, clean it up a little bit, you know, to make 618 00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:42,760 some space for him to move back in, you know. 619 00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:45,880 Now at this time, in addition to two of his three daughters, 620 00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:48,840 Darren's parents, the actual owners of the home, were living 621 00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:51,560 there caring for the girls along with Darren's sister and 622 00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:54,000 brother-in-law who lived in the in law apartment in the 623 00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:56,440 basement. Now Darren was fixing to move 624 00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:59,520 back in once he was cleared to integrate back into society. 625 00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:03,080 So Casey wants to know, but where is Megan, his wife of 21 626 00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:04,920 years? Well, Casey, good question. 627 00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:07,600 She lives in another town not too far away with her new 628 00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:08,720 boyfriend. Of course. 629 00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:11,680 Yeah, so while Darren and Megan are still technically married by 630 00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:14,920 law, they have been separated for some time, probably because 631 00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:16,800 of the nine year meth lab sentence. 632 00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:17,320 Yeah, I. Don't. 633 00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:19,600 I don't think meth head stayed together for nine years outside 634 00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:22,000 of. They usually find more meth head 635 00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:24,720 friends to hang out with, but Megan has another man to bring 636 00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:27,160 to the Boom boom room, so everything's all good there. 637 00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:30,520 All right, So why do the three daughters live with the 638 00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:32,480 grandparents and not their mother, you ask? 639 00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:35,120 I don't know because there's they probably lived in a meth 640 00:27:35,120 --> 00:27:37,120 house. Probably lived in a meth house 641 00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:41,400 and also because their dad's in jail and Megan, their mother, is 642 00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:43,200 also a meth head and an alcoholic. 643 00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:45,520 She's actually cleaned herself a little bit. 644 00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:47,960 She's not so much a meth head anymore, but she does like the 645 00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:49,960 way the alcohol tastes. You know, usually. 646 00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:53,280 It's the lips. Usually we we this podcast kind 647 00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:55,280 of shits on DCF for not doing the right job. 648 00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:58,880 So kudos to the one and actually taking those children out of. 649 00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:01,760 Their home so good. Good for those grandparents to 650 00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:04,040 step up. All right, now let's all join 651 00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:05,560 Darren back in the garage, shall we? 652 00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:08,080 Him and his daughters are cleaning the garage, sorting 653 00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:10,680 through some of the old boxes, keeping the ones with value and 654 00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:11,920 throwing away, you know, the junk. 655 00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:15,840 Now I'm not 100% sure if it was Darren who came upon this one 656 00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:18,920 particular box or if it was his younger daughter, but whoever 657 00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:22,040 came across it, someone opened up the cardboard box. 658 00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:24,000 It was wrapped numerous times with electrical tape. 659 00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:25,960 What's in the box? What's in the box? 660 00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:28,040 What's in the box? Yeah. 661 00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:32,040 And then the box was allegedly marked Christmas stuff. 662 00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:35,840 All right, now the box was opened and they found a blanket 663 00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:40,160 folded inside in a plastic bag, which was also wrapped in 664 00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:43,440 electrical tape. When they opened the plastic 665 00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:46,720 bag, they all got a whiff of something putrid. 666 00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:49,120 President of police. Oh yes, ma'am. 667 00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:52,280 Can I have a officer? Come to this address. 668 00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:56,000 And your name. My name is Darren WI. 669 00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:57,960 Just found something in my garage. 670 00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:02,920 I think it's a a miscarriage. Can you? 671 00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:06,160 Be more specific, what do you mean by a miscarriage you found? 672 00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:09,440 I have no idea, just please send an officer up here. 673 00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:11,560 It sounds like you may need medical. 674 00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:15,200 It's been wrapped up in a plastic magnet. 675 00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:19,040 OK, what is it? It's a little baby. 676 00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:22,520 Wow. Wow, appreciate the editing on 677 00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:23,800 that too. Yeah, that wasn't me. 678 00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:26,680 That wasn't me. I, I, I took the audio from 679 00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:30,280 something. It's very suspenseful. 680 00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:31,400 Though I know that's. Great. 681 00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:33,880 Perfect timing too. That's a baby. 682 00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:37,160 Shout out to Investigation Ron, that little clip. 683 00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:40,960 So Darren also made it clear over the phone that he was on 684 00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:44,640 parole and he had a 48 hour pass to be at the residence, you 685 00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:46,840 know, knowing full full well that the questions and 686 00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:48,440 implications that were about to come as well, you know. 687 00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:49,960 What I mean you? Found a dead baby? 688 00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:51,040 You're just getting out of prison. 689 00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:53,080 You're you know what's funny? He's probably upset because he 690 00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:55,120 it wasn't even because of finding the baby, it was because 691 00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:58,560 fuck I'm on a 48 hour probation. I don't need this shit right 692 00:29:58,560 --> 00:29:58,720 now. I'm. 693 00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:02,360 About to have police contact. So now Darren, he gets off the 694 00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:03,880 phone with the police. They're on their way. 695 00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:07,520 And then Darren calls Megan. And after pressing Megan for 696 00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:10,040 answers and getting a little bit upset, you know, saying what 697 00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:11,280 have you done? What have you done? 698 00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:12,880 I found something in the garage, you know. 699 00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:17,680 Megan admitted to him that she had a miscarriage just after he 700 00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:20,520 had gone to prison back in 2006. Fuck is going on? 701 00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:23,280 Right. She was upset at the time and 702 00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:25,240 messed up on the meth. You know, she didn't know what 703 00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:28,400 to do, so she placed the baby in a box and put it in the garage. 704 00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:29,880 Holy shit. Panicked. 705 00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:33,320 Had a miscarriage, you know I'm high in fucking math right now. 706 00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:34,840 I don't want to call the cops, what do I do? 707 00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:36,360 I'm panicking, blah blah. I'm going to put the baby in the 708 00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:36,960 box. OK? 709 00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:40,720 Now police soon arrived on the scene and they were talking to 710 00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:44,040 Darren, his mother, his sister, brother-in-law along with two of 711 00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:46,080 his three daughters trying to piece together what was 712 00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:48,840 happening now. Darren explained they had spoken 713 00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:51,960 to his ex and she had said that she had a miscarriage and placed 714 00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:54,920 the baby in the garage. At this point, police took 715 00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:56,960 things more seriously and explained that they would need 716 00:30:56,960 --> 00:31:00,000 to also speak to Megan right away and then they then secured 717 00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:02,720 the scene. One of the officers called Megan 718 00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:05,200 on her phone. Are you able to help us 719 00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:08,840 understand what's going on here? It was a miscarriage 9 years 720 00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:14,280 ago. And how far into your pregnancy 721 00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:21,320 were you? What? 722 00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:25,480 How soon can you come down here? Detectives need to ask you some 723 00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:30,400 follow up questions so that we can, you know, rule out any kind 724 00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:35,520 of foul play. OK, Listen to me. 725 00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:37,360 I need you to stay at your residence. 726 00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:39,440 We're going to have a West Valley City officer come pick 727 00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:41,880 you up. So she she had to have gone into 728 00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:43,800 an OBGYN while she was pregnant, right? 729 00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:45,800 She had to have gotten the test that was positive. 730 00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:48,880 How do you make it all the way? One would think, how do you make 731 00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:51,840 it all the way to she said it was it was a stillborn, right? 732 00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:53,600 So that means she gave birth to it. 733 00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:56,800 Yes. There was no follow up like hey, 734 00:31:56,800 --> 00:31:59,400 your due date is this day. You still haven't like like. 735 00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:01,760 I'm I'm confused. I'm confused with what? 736 00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:04,760 Happened here. Do we have a lot to learn with 737 00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:06,240 this story? All right, keep going then keep 738 00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:07,960 going then 'cause I'm I'm confused. 739 00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:10,520 I I think there's like a laws to having kids and shit. 740 00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:12,400 Yeah, there is. OK, all right. 741 00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:15,320 But you know, so before we continue further, let's learn a 742 00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:18,480 little bit more about Darren West and Megan Huntsman, I mean 743 00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:21,400 Huntsman. So Megan Huntsman, she was born 744 00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:24,520 February 26th, 1975 in Pleasant Grove, UT. 745 00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:27,320 It was the oldest child to Blaine and Joyce Huntsman. 746 00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:30,120 They were a a middle class family that were heavily 747 00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:32,560 involved with the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day 748 00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:34,280 Saints. Isn't that? 749 00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:36,000 Aren't you a member? No, I'm not gonna go there. 750 00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:37,360 You already know her. All right, keep going. 751 00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:38,720 This this is all making sense now. 752 00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:43,040 OK, the people that were around her growing up said that she was 753 00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:46,240 shy incredibly. That quick question just to that 754 00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:50,200 is Mormon, right? Sure, pretty sure. 755 00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:52,120 Yeah, I think. That's they're more. 756 00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:53,920 Crazy. Yeah, I think that's right. 757 00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:55,520 Yeah, that's that's Mormon church. 758 00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:57,520 All right, okay. I just wanted to just, that's 759 00:32:57,520 --> 00:33:00,080 why I'm saying it all making sense here, but keep going, all 760 00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:01,440 right? So yeah, so the people around 761 00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:04,040 her growing up said that she was shy, incredibly private and 762 00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:08,040 lacking confidence. Megan met Darren West in high 763 00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:10,360 school. Darren was a few years older 764 00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:13,120 than her. He was a fairly quiet guy, but 765 00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:16,160 he was also, you know, sort of a bad boy, you know, bad boy. 766 00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:17,760 Yeah. So you don't even, like, they 767 00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:19,800 like those bad boys. Now, Darren skipped a lot of 768 00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:22,480 classes, and he did a lot of partying, drinking, you know, 769 00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:24,320 doing some, you know, bad boy shit. 770 00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:26,400 But nothing too wild at first, you know? 771 00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:29,040 Now, I always have to say, like, you know, there's always 772 00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:31,600 something about these prim and proper, like, Christian 773 00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:33,000 schoolgirls. Oh, yeah. 774 00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:36,000 Once they get to high school, like it opens up a whole like 775 00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:38,400 Duke world to them. You know, we, we had a couple of 776 00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:41,400 Christian middle schools in my town and you know, we had no 777 00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:44,480 Christian high schools. So now once you once the girls 778 00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:46,880 and the and the kids, you know, they graduate middle school from 779 00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:48,800 their Christian schools. They had to go to the public 780 00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:51,320 high school. And let me tell you something. 781 00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:53,440 Then Christian kids, they can get love. 782 00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:56,120 Like a child anybody like. Wow. 783 00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:59,840 Where it knows I it was the same thing with Saint Patrick's in in 784 00:33:59,880 --> 00:34:02,240 Norwich, it was the same thing all the all the girls, once they 785 00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:05,640 got the NFA, she they're at the parties. 786 00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:09,239 Game over, game over. All right, so anyway, begging 787 00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:13,159 and Darren Day begin dating now in 1993, Darren was in college 788 00:34:13,159 --> 00:34:14,760 when Megan graduate from high school. 789 00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:18,040 And the moment she turned 18, Darren proposed her Wow. 790 00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:21,120 And of course she said yes. Now come on, who wouldn't want, 791 00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:24,199 you know, a hard party in school, skipping beer drinking 792 00:34:24,199 --> 00:34:26,520 drug doing 20 year old fucking husband. 793 00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:28,560 Yeah, fucking oh, that's going to be. 794 00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:29,960 That's going to be my baby daddy. 795 00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:32,040 Right? So it wasn't long after this 796 00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:35,040 that Megan found herself pregnant and in true Megan 797 00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:38,480 Huntsman form, with her intense privacy in a way that she kept 798 00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:41,719 everything to herself. She told no one at all about her 799 00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:44,000 pregnancy, not even Darren. Wow. 800 00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:47,120 Now, there's also something we need to know about Megan. 801 00:34:47,199 --> 00:34:51,159 And she is one of the rare people that carries their 802 00:34:51,159 --> 00:34:54,360 pregnancy very well, meaning that she does not show. 803 00:34:54,639 --> 00:34:58,240 All right, now you have to be really fucking intimate with 804 00:34:58,240 --> 00:35:00,440 someone to even know that she's pregnant. 805 00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:02,720 That's interesting. Was she heavier set? 806 00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:06,320 No, no, she just, I don't, I don't know. 807 00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:09,360 What do you call that? She had them Burlington hips. 808 00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:11,280 Burlington hips. She was hippie. 809 00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:13,560 I don't know. She just, she just held her 810 00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:18,000 pregnancies very well. Now, Megan was pretty near full 811 00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:20,240 term before anyone knew, including Darren. 812 00:35:20,720 --> 00:35:24,840 It wasn't until she was about to give birth, like actually give 813 00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:26,840 birth, that she finally decided to tell Darren that she was 814 00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:30,480 pregnant and she ended up giving birth at home on her own. 815 00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:32,080 What the fuck? Yeah. 816 00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:36,560 Now at the time, Darren's parents, they owned the home on 817 00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:41,000 536 E 200 N in Pleasant Grove, UT, and they basically offered 818 00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:43,480 up the home to Darren and Megan to live in as they were starting 819 00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:46,440 a new family. After they moved into their new 820 00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:49,000 home, Megan found work as a house cleaner and babysitter, 821 00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:50,680 and Darren found work in construction. 822 00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:55,200 It wasn't very long before Megan found herself pregnant again, 823 00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:59,120 and true to form, she did the very same thing as the first 824 00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:01,760 pregnancy. She didn't tell anyone. 825 00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:04,800 I mean, you need there's prenatal vitamins you have to 826 00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:05,840 take. There's a like she. 827 00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:08,200 Didn't say anything. I don't know. 828 00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:09,360 Kept a secret? Nope. 829 00:36:10,240 --> 00:36:13,160 And she gave birth at home again by herself. 830 00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:18,000 And it wasn't until after this baby was born that she told 831 00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:20,720 Darren, hey, guess what? You got another. 832 00:36:20,720 --> 00:36:21,960 You got another fucking kid. I don't. 833 00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:25,160 Know I wouldn't believe her. Wow, well there, where did you 834 00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:26,560 get? Where did you get that baby 835 00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:27,600 from? Did you get that baby? 836 00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:30,160 Hey. So now they have two daughters 837 00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:32,360 with the oldest one being about a year old at this this point. 838 00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:34,480 Now, for a while, things are going pretty well. 839 00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:36,400 You know, both Megan and Darren, they're working, they're 840 00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:38,040 supporting their young family. Now. 841 00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:40,640 It wasn't until the kids turned about two and three that things 842 00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:44,200 started to turn a little S Darren never really stopped 843 00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:46,320 being a bit of the bad boy. And even though they were 844 00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:50,280 raising two young daughters, he was working and still partying 845 00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:52,680 hard. He was getting heavier and 846 00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:54,920 heavier into drugs. And this soon rubbed off on 847 00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:57,480 Megan. I mean, Megan, up to that point, 848 00:36:57,480 --> 00:36:59,120 you know, she had partied as well. 849 00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:01,520 But, you know, she was a little bit more recreational, you know, 850 00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:04,040 dabbling a little weed here and there, Nothing major, you know. 851 00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:06,480 But now Megan's going right for the meth. 852 00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:09,560 That's all it takes. Took that jump jump right into 853 00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:10,920 the meth that's. All it takes one time. 854 00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:13,440 Yep, and it wasn't long at all before it it developed into a 855 00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:16,680 full blown addiction and at this point both Darren and Megan were 856 00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:19,280 heavily addicted and became frequent users. 857 00:37:19,720 --> 00:37:22,240 It was said that they were spending hundreds of dollars a 858 00:37:22,240 --> 00:37:25,880 day on meth, which is substantial considering that 859 00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:27,920 this is like the late 90s, early 2000. 860 00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:32,840 I know and most, most meth heads are buying like $10 vials 861 00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:34,160 basically, you know what I mean? They're not. 862 00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:36,680 They don't have cash like. That, yeah, they're going 863 00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:38,320 through a shit ton of fucking meth. 864 00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:41,560 So as the drug addiction progressed, both Darren and 865 00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:44,440 Megan got to the point of losing both their jobs. 866 00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:48,360 And with no way to support their growing inspects, growing 867 00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:50,520 inexpensive drug habit, There we go. 868 00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:54,920 What do you think they did? Darren began starting to grow 869 00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:56,120 his own. Start. 870 00:37:56,600 --> 00:37:58,320 Start. Getting all the lab ready. 871 00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:01,560 You know, this way they could have a constant supply for both 872 00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:05,560 he and Megan, as well as, you know, steady income of from 873 00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:07,960 other meth users. You know, at this point, it was 874 00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:10,920 common for Megan and Darren to go on huge drug binges and 875 00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:13,600 neglect the children. They would leave the house with 876 00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:16,760 the kids fucking at home, you know, whatever, just wander off 877 00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:20,120 and go do their fucking math. And they also started to become 878 00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:23,120 quite aggressive and verbally abusive towards each other. 879 00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:26,120 This verbal abuse and aggression played out continually in front 880 00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:28,160 of the children, but there's never been any proof that the 881 00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:31,280 violence was directed towards the children besides the 882 00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:33,840 neglect. That's not really saying much, 883 00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:36,520 but you know, yeah, they're definitely talking about that's. 884 00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:40,040 Neglect is still child abuse. Oh, A. 100% Megan started 885 00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:42,680 developed some pretty severe mental health issues like severe 886 00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:46,880 anxiety, depression and as a side effect of anyone using 887 00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:48,920 meth. She also developed psychosis, 888 00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:51,720 paranoia and obsessive compulsive behavior. 889 00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:55,640 Now before the drug use, Megan looked like a regular attractive 890 00:38:55,640 --> 00:39:00,120 young 20 something year old with vitality and life you know, but 891 00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:04,160 she pretty quickly decided to decline physically as well due 892 00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:06,600 to how heavy they are using. I was gonna say if if you're 893 00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:10,560 doing that hundreds of dollars meth a day, it's a that's the 894 00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:13,800 one drug that amazes me at how fast your physical it just 895 00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:17,400 drains open sores your eyes sink in it. 896 00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:20,320 It's happened so fast too. Have you ever seen like when 897 00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:22,760 they take the the mug shots of meth heads over the years? 898 00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:25,400 It's like their first meth arrest and then like their 19th. 899 00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:29,200 It's just it's like 9 days. It looks like the Golem from 900 00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:30,880 Lord of the Rings. Fucking Walking Dead. 901 00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:32,440 Shit. Yeah. 902 00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:35,160 So she started to lose weight. She lost some of her teeth. 903 00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:38,600 Her hair started falling out. She also developed premature 904 00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:40,960 wrinkling in her face. You know, like we just talked 905 00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:43,280 about. Now it it's speculated but not 906 00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:46,440 proven that Darren may have gotten physical with Megan, as 907 00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:48,920 she was regularly seen with black eyes and bruising. 908 00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:51,640 But I guess that can be another side effect. 909 00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:53,840 Of most meth heads have black eyes and bruises. 910 00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:59,160 Yeah, so who knows now? In 1996, Megan became pregnant 911 00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:01,480 again and just like the other two pregnancies. 912 00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:05,200 She keeps it completely to herself now with this third 913 00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:08,400 pregnancy and her being addicted to meth and the other 914 00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:11,320 complications of her life. She continues to use math 915 00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:15,680 throughout this pregnancy. OK, Megan carried this baby to 916 00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:17,840 full term and no one was the wiser. 917 00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:21,480 She and Darren had friends over on this night and Megan excused 918 00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:23,720 herself from the group saying she wasn't feeling well and need 919 00:40:23,720 --> 00:40:26,000 to go lay down. She went upstairs into the 920 00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:28,480 bathroom and had the baby in the bathtub. 921 00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:32,000 But this time something was a little bit different. 922 00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:35,080 Garrett, more on that in a second. 923 00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:36,760 We're going to Fast forward here. 924 00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:40,240 We're going to go back to April 12th, 2014. 925 00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:43,600 And now Megan is at the Pleasant View Police station being 926 00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:47,280 questioned by the detectives in regards to the baby in the box. 927 00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:50,720 Well, you know why we're here. What we're here to talk about. 928 00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:53,840 Just start at the beginning and and tell me what happened. 929 00:40:54,640 --> 00:40:57,360 Well, we were doing drugs a lot because that's why you've been 930 00:40:57,360 --> 00:41:01,760 in prison for. I got pregnant right before he 931 00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:05,320 left and I really didn't know 'cause I thought I was just 932 00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:06,320 stress and stuff. He. 933 00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:09,840 Went to prison in 2006. Yeah. 934 00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:12,800 How far along were you in a couple of months? 935 00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:16,560 Where did you have to be? In the house, in the. 936 00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:23,840 House in the house that you and Darren described to me what 937 00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:25,840 happened? Well, I just had a lot of pain 938 00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:27,000 that day. I didn't go to work. 939 00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:31,160 My kids were at school and I went in the bathroom and just 940 00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:34,160 sat there and went. It's pushed really hard. 941 00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:37,240 And, you know, I was boy and wasn't crying and and I was by 942 00:41:37,240 --> 00:41:39,200 myself and I didn't know what to do and. 943 00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:41,440 I couldn't get it to. Cry or anything? 944 00:41:42,240 --> 00:41:46,240 Then what happened? I got scared and I wrapped it 945 00:41:46,240 --> 00:41:50,000 up, beating up being smart and calling you guys and it's in 946 00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:51,920 shock and it was stupid of me to do it. 947 00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:53,280 What do you mean when you say you wrapped it up? 948 00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:56,480 Can. You make them do it. 949 00:41:57,040 --> 00:42:03,160 It was how the girls are doing. What? 950 00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:06,200 I put it in the box so you're on the toilet, you have the baby, 951 00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:08,520 you said you're trying to get it to break and what did you? 952 00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:13,280 Do why did I try just to clean his mouth out and stuff and hey 953 00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:15,760 I couldn't feel a heartbeat or. Anything. 954 00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:20,760 OK, so you clean the baby's mouth out, try to go freeze, and 955 00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:22,720 then what? It passed out for a little bit. 956 00:42:22,720 --> 00:42:25,600 I think I lost a lot of wood. Then I managed. 957 00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:27,600 When my kids got home from school, I just told them I 958 00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:30,760 wasn't feeling them and then I cleaned myself up and I went and 959 00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:33,800 got a box. And then as far as you know, 960 00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:37,280 unless someone else moved it, the baby's been in the box in 961 00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:41,400 the garage since that first year that Darren went to prison. 962 00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:44,080 Were you worried somebody else would find it when you guys were 963 00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:45,480 cleaning the garage? Yeah. 964 00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:48,160 And So what would you do to make sure that didn't happen? 965 00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:52,160 I just kind of slide it and like sweep around, you know, and then 966 00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:55,760 set stuff on it and you know, well, they knew that part was 967 00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:56,600 already clean stuff. What? 968 00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:02,080 Would you have done differently looking back called the? 969 00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:05,000 Cops and told them that I had a baby and that I couldn't get to 970 00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:07,280 breathe and have the paramedic so come. 971 00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:10,760 No, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. 972 00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:12,920 Let's hear it. So after she had her first two 973 00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:13,880 children. Yes. 974 00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:16,760 And she went to the doctor like, oh, yeah, by the way, I have 975 00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:19,240 here's these. I need birth certificates and 976 00:43:19,720 --> 00:43:21,360 Social Security numbers for these kids. 977 00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:24,000 Nobody was like hey, you can't do it like that. 978 00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:26,520 Nobody like tried to like tell her I I'm. 979 00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:28,200 Sure they did. I'm sure they did. 980 00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:30,440 She just I don't know. I don't know if it was because, 981 00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:33,880 well, originally she was like, you know, we said she's 982 00:43:34,120 --> 00:43:37,800 extremely private. She's like very like to herself, 983 00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:40,120 I guess. But you know, so she was just 984 00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:44,760 like, well, if nobody knows I'm pregnant, then why should I say 985 00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:45,280 that I'm. Pregnant. 986 00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:48,240 I think as the detective, my first reaction would have been 987 00:43:48,240 --> 00:43:50,560 like, no, this lady killed her baby and then she's trying to 988 00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:54,120 hide it or whatever. But knowing like the first two 989 00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:55,800 were born like that, which she's basically a midwife. 990 00:43:55,880 --> 00:43:57,200 She's like, I was cleaning out its mouth. 991 00:43:57,200 --> 00:43:58,760 I was doing everything I'd like. She was an expert. 992 00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:00,200 At this point, so now you know I. 993 00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:02,720 I truly believe her at this point that that it was a 994 00:44:02,720 --> 00:44:04,120 stillborn. OK, yes. 995 00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:07,120 Now with this, you know, everything seems well and good. 996 00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:08,640 It's like, all right, you know, she's being honest. 997 00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:12,080 She's being forthcoming, accepting responsibility she 998 00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:15,200 missed amidst the baby stillborn, you know, and she 999 00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:16,960 just panicked. Understandable. 1000 00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:21,200 I get it, OK, it happens. But let's not forget this one 1001 00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:23,840 little detail. This is in regards to the baby 1002 00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:26,920 born in 2006, right? Shortly after Darren went to 1003 00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:30,240 prison. So what about this baby she had 1004 00:44:30,240 --> 00:44:33,280 in the bathtub we were just talking about in 1996? 1005 00:44:34,080 --> 00:44:36,600 Now, during the interview with Megan, there's a knock at the 1006 00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:39,960 door and the detective is asked to step out of the room. 1007 00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:43,040 When he returns, he drops a bombshell. 1008 00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:44,920 We have. Investigators in the house right 1009 00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:47,960 now, they found a second baby. What the fuck tell? 1010 00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:51,880 Me about that. Hey, there is there's more. 1011 00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:53,520 Hey, I'm sorry I am here to everyone of. 1012 00:44:53,640 --> 00:44:56,240 Them there's others how many I'm. 1013 00:44:57,160 --> 00:44:59,800 Not insurance. I've done so many drugs and 1014 00:45:00,240 --> 00:45:02,480 stuff during it all I can't even remember. 1015 00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:07,640 So how many do you think will we find in the garage 4? 1016 00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:13,800 4. They found four babies in. 1017 00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:17,360 OK, she's admitting to four, all right. 1018 00:45:19,240 --> 00:45:20,480 That's that's amazing. Yep. 1019 00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:25,360 So now they found a second baby in a box, and Megan just 1020 00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:28,240 admitted that there will be 4 babies found in this garage. 1021 00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:30,880 OK, no more surprises. There's four in there, right? 1022 00:45:31,080 --> 00:45:33,240 Yeah. OK, she maintains that all of 1023 00:45:33,240 --> 00:45:36,960 the babies were either miscarriages or stillborn, but 1024 00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:39,160 things just aren't adding up. Garrett. 1025 00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:41,320 There's something. There's something stranger. 1026 00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:44,880 Sure, you panicked when your one baby was stillborn and instead 1027 00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:47,360 of calling the paramedics or the police, you know you placed the 1028 00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:51,840 baby in the box. OK, But 234? 1029 00:45:52,280 --> 00:46:01,560 You went into the house in 2001. We moved in that house in 96. 1030 00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:06,520 And so the first baby that was born in the house would have 1031 00:46:06,520 --> 00:46:09,400 been in 1996, shortly. After he moved in, yeah. 1032 00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:12,880 OK. The last one was right after he 1033 00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:16,560 went to prison. Did you put all four in the 1034 00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:17,120 garage? Yeah. 1035 00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:20,520 Did you keep them in the same place? 1036 00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:21,440 In the garage? What? 1037 00:46:21,560 --> 00:46:23,120 What did you? Right there. 1038 00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:25,960 OK. And so all four boxes are in the 1039 00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:27,920 same place. OK. 1040 00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:30,200 I just want to be able to relay to the tech is what? 1041 00:46:30,720 --> 00:46:36,840 They're going to find. And so all four children are in 1042 00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:38,720 the cabinet in the garage? Yes. 1043 00:46:41,600 --> 00:46:44,000 So you have the babies been in the garage the whole time? 1044 00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:47,240 I never moved them or anything, but yeah, they've been in the 1045 00:46:47,240 --> 00:46:50,320 garage the whole time. So we're talking eight years 1046 00:46:50,320 --> 00:46:51,360 ago. Yes. 1047 00:46:51,720 --> 00:46:56,720 I mean, you told me earlier that that you put the boxes the with 1048 00:46:56,720 --> 00:46:58,320 the babies in them in the cabinet. 1049 00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:00,560 Yeah. Did you ever take them out of 1050 00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:04,120 that cabinet? I imagine in the last nine years 1051 00:47:04,120 --> 00:47:07,520 stuff been in and out of. The I did think so 'cause I was 1052 00:47:07,520 --> 00:47:11,800 just there a month or so, go get in my bed and stuff out of there 1053 00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:15,360 and I've seen it sitting there. You described you had the one in 1054 00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:17,320 the tub that you filled the tub and had. 1055 00:47:17,360 --> 00:47:18,800 Yeah, I'm sure. Yeah. 1056 00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:21,640 Was was that baby a lag when it was born? 1057 00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:27,160 For a short time, what would you think if I had a baby in the 1058 00:47:27,160 --> 00:47:29,160 house and just cry so I would hit, you know? 1059 00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:33,760 Will you say you think of us for a short time? 1060 00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:36,440 What was it moving? Did it start to breathe? 1061 00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:38,720 No. I wasn't free. 1062 00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:40,720 I could see Lil heartbeat in the sun. 1063 00:47:41,560 --> 00:47:46,000 OK, for about how long? Not very long. 1064 00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:49,160 Ago Did you kill the baby after Before. 1065 00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:51,600 What we need is the truth is there. 1066 00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:56,040 One of them. Which one here's? 1067 00:47:56,600 --> 00:47:59,800 A reminder. No, I was just so scared. 1068 00:47:59,880 --> 00:48:02,960 I was so I'm drugged so bad I choked it. 1069 00:48:05,200 --> 00:48:06,720 How did you choke it? Yeah. 1070 00:48:08,720 --> 00:48:10,760 Do you think all four of these babies were alive when they were 1071 00:48:10,760 --> 00:48:13,280 born? I'm pretty sure one of them 1072 00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:19,920 wasn't and. Did you choke the others? 1073 00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:27,840 Yes, I did. Dude, over a nine year period 1074 00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:30,080 this woman was just popping out kids. 1075 00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:31,520 That nobody. Nobody knew. 1076 00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:33,400 About that, no one knew about popping them out and then she 1077 00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:36,120 was drowning and choking and strangling them. 1078 00:48:36,160 --> 00:48:38,000 Like this story is wild. Yep. 1079 00:48:38,120 --> 00:48:40,800 So now Megan, you know, she's she's admitted to murdering 1080 00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:43,240 three of her babies while still, you know, she's adamant that the 1081 00:48:43,240 --> 00:48:46,960 4th one was, was stillborn. OK, now in regards to the baby 1082 00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:49,800 born in 1996, after she gave birth to the baby in the 1083 00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:53,960 bathtub, she said she put her thumbs on the baby's throat and 1084 00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:55,760 pressed until the baby stopped breathing. 1085 00:48:56,720 --> 00:48:59,080 At that point, she wrapped the baby in towels and then put the 1086 00:48:59,080 --> 00:49:02,600 baby in a garbage bag, rolled it up, wrapped it in more 1087 00:49:02,600 --> 00:49:05,840 electrical tape and placed it in a box and covered that with 1088 00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:07,680 electrical tape. All right. 1089 00:49:07,680 --> 00:49:10,800 She then took the box downstairs into her garage and put the box 1090 00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:13,240 amongst the other boxes that were labeled Christmas stuff. 1091 00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:15,880 She then went back to the bathroom, cleaned it up, and 1092 00:49:15,880 --> 00:49:18,200 went to bed like nothing ever fucking happened. 1093 00:49:18,200 --> 00:49:22,320 My my whole thing is like it sounds so mentally unstable to 1094 00:49:22,760 --> 00:49:24,920 she's like keeping them too as keepsakes. 1095 00:49:25,240 --> 00:49:27,520 Like that's something a a crazy person would do. 1096 00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:29,280 Yes. It's not, I don't think. 1097 00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:31,680 It's just the murdering aspect. I. 1098 00:49:32,240 --> 00:49:34,720 It's the little. Postpartum little meth. 1099 00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:37,280 Like trophies, the souvenirs kind of thing. 1100 00:49:37,560 --> 00:49:39,720 I there's definitely some postpartum stuff going on there 1101 00:49:39,720 --> 00:49:41,160 too. It's it's just strange. 1102 00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:43,440 Yeah, or either that or. And she never tried to get rid 1103 00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:44,400 of them either. Right. 1104 00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:47,320 Yeah, yeah. Like that in the crotch of those 1105 00:49:47,320 --> 00:49:49,000 years. Yeah, Yep. 1106 00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:51,240 So, So life carried on from Megan. 1107 00:49:51,240 --> 00:49:54,280 You know, while Darren was none the wiser about the dead baby in 1108 00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:57,040 the garage. The parties continued, the drug 1109 00:49:57,040 --> 00:50:00,800 binges continued, and it isn't too long before, you guessed it, 1110 00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:02,720 Megan finds herself pregnant once again. 1111 00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:05,920 She again doesn't tell anyone and carries the baby the full 1112 00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:09,080 term, repeating the exact same thing she did when she killed 1113 00:50:09,080 --> 00:50:11,800 the 1st baby. Now having the baby in secret, 1114 00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:14,120 disposing the baby's body in the box and placing it in the 1115 00:50:14,120 --> 00:50:15,720 garage. You know, now you're seeing like 1116 00:50:15,720 --> 00:50:18,640 a pattern. So over the next 10 years, 1117 00:50:18,640 --> 00:50:21,840 between the ages of 21 and 31, Megan repeated the same heinous 1118 00:50:21,840 --> 00:50:25,880 crime over and over and over, repeatedly getting pregnant and 1119 00:50:25,880 --> 00:50:29,280 giving birth on her own in secret, murdering the babies, 1120 00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:31,800 wrapping them up, putting them in boxes, taping them shut and 1121 00:50:31,800 --> 00:50:33,840 put them in the garage. All right. 1122 00:50:34,240 --> 00:50:38,040 Now, what's even more wild is that during this time of baby 1123 00:50:38,040 --> 00:50:43,320 killing, Megan and Darren did have a third healthy child that 1124 00:50:43,320 --> 00:50:46,200 escaped Megan's death grip ending 2000. 1125 00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:50,000 And the only reason she survived was because Darren picked up on 1126 00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:51,840 Megan's pregnancy in the ninth month. 1127 00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:55,320 She had no choice but to keep the child because now Darren was 1128 00:50:55,320 --> 00:50:57,800 like, oh, yeah, OK, you see, you're having another baby. 1129 00:50:57,800 --> 00:51:00,280 Great. So now they have 33 healthy 1130 00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:02,560 daughters. So now Megan. 1131 00:51:02,560 --> 00:51:05,280 Which is crazy that in the middle of a meth fuelled raid, 1132 00:51:05,640 --> 00:51:09,160 A10 year meth binge, she was able to have a healthy child. 1133 00:51:09,880 --> 00:51:13,320 So now Fast forward back to the the interrogation. 1134 00:51:13,320 --> 00:51:15,560 Megan is now being questioned regarding the four dead babies 1135 00:51:15,560 --> 00:51:17,720 in the garage. And just like any good 1136 00:51:17,720 --> 00:51:19,760 infomercial, Garrett playing at 3:00 AM. 1137 00:51:20,400 --> 00:51:24,960 Wait, there is more, hey. Megan, I'm I'm really happy with 1138 00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:27,720 how far you come, but I'm concerned that they haven't told 1139 00:51:27,720 --> 00:51:30,240 me everything. How many do you think there 1140 00:51:30,240 --> 00:51:35,240 possibly could be? Honestly, I don't know before I 1141 00:51:35,480 --> 00:51:37,400 think I don't. Hey. 1142 00:51:38,080 --> 00:51:41,800 They are up to five. They found five so far and. 1143 00:51:41,800 --> 00:51:45,440 So now. Now that there's five, are you 1144 00:51:45,440 --> 00:51:48,000 still pretty certain that one of them was dead when it was born, 1145 00:51:49,880 --> 00:51:51,200 and so the other four were alive? 1146 00:51:51,840 --> 00:51:54,880 There could be more, like I said, I can't remember a damn. 1147 00:51:55,040 --> 00:51:57,320 Thing. How many do you think there 1148 00:51:57,320 --> 00:52:01,080 would be? I I'd say eight or nine, so. 1149 00:52:01,840 --> 00:52:02,920 There could be eight or nine. Yeah, I. 1150 00:52:03,320 --> 00:52:05,200 Could be, but I know there's no more in ground. 1151 00:52:05,200 --> 00:52:07,560 It's like a baby and I know there's none in the house. 1152 00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:10,640 I mean being small if they were in the house, right? 1153 00:52:11,720 --> 00:52:13,680 Did the smell from the garage ever come in the house? 1154 00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:19,080 So just the Elm crash? People said it was some smell. 1155 00:52:19,120 --> 00:52:21,200 You know, we can knock heat in the summer. 1156 00:52:21,640 --> 00:52:25,800 We have cats and stuff. And you know, and I just, I 1157 00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:27,520 think it was always just. Planned on them. 1158 00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:29,480 And if you're saying Darren never knew? 1159 00:52:29,600 --> 00:52:33,080 No, when I told you it's only me, I've kept this to myself for 1160 00:52:33,200 --> 00:52:36,480 18 years. So I'm the only person that 1161 00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:37,680 you've ever told? Yes. 1162 00:52:40,280 --> 00:52:44,360 Wild, wild, wild, wild. All right, so now she says 1163 00:52:44,360 --> 00:52:47,600 there's could be eight or nine bodies of the babies in her 1164 00:52:47,600 --> 00:52:48,840 garage. She has no idea. 1165 00:52:48,840 --> 00:52:50,680 She doesn't know how many times she's gotten pregnant, how many 1166 00:52:50,680 --> 00:52:52,280 babies. There are no more than nine, 1167 00:52:52,280 --> 00:52:53,880 though. Guaranteed no more than 9. 1168 00:52:54,320 --> 00:52:56,320 I'm I'm just trying to think of the logistics on this. 1169 00:52:56,640 --> 00:52:59,200 Like it's like every so she would give birth, get pregnant 1170 00:52:59,200 --> 00:53:05,360 right after, carry a baby full term, kill it, put it in the 1171 00:53:05,360 --> 00:53:08,360 garage, get pregnant again. Like it's just, it's wild. 1172 00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:11,720 Yeah, like once a year at least. Yeah, Yep. 1173 00:53:11,720 --> 00:53:14,920 So the police are searching the garage, and after extensive 1174 00:53:14,920 --> 00:53:19,120 search of the home and of Megan's current address, 1175 00:53:19,680 --> 00:53:25,280 authorities were able to find 7 babies in boxes, all of them in 1176 00:53:25,280 --> 00:53:28,040 the garage. Now, Megan admitted to killing 1177 00:53:28,040 --> 00:53:30,680 six of the babies, but said that one of the babies was definitely 1178 00:53:30,680 --> 00:53:33,800 born still born at full term, which is adamant about that. 1179 00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:38,880 In one instance, she told the detective that she remembers 1180 00:53:38,880 --> 00:53:41,800 that she had strangled one of the babies with her hair tie. 1181 00:53:43,320 --> 00:53:46,440 Megan said that she was haunted by demons and her addictions, 1182 00:53:46,440 --> 00:53:48,960 and she believed that she couldn't be a good mother to her 1183 00:53:48,960 --> 00:53:52,880 children, she claimed. In some small way, I wanted to 1184 00:53:52,880 --> 00:53:56,160 help them avoid the terrible life I would have given them. 1185 00:53:56,440 --> 00:53:59,760 I deprived my little babies of an opportunity at life. 1186 00:54:00,920 --> 00:54:03,520 Megan was then subsequently charged with six counts of 1187 00:54:03,520 --> 00:54:06,320 murder. She was held on $6 million bail, 1188 00:54:06,320 --> 00:54:08,160 1,000,000 per each murdered baby. 1189 00:54:08,640 --> 00:54:11,560 The state would not seek the death penalty because she had 1190 00:54:11,560 --> 00:54:15,920 killed the babies between 1996 and 2006, which was just before 1191 00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:19,840 the law in the state of Utah. That Chad changed the murder of 1192 00:54:19,840 --> 00:54:22,080 a victim younger than 14 to a capital offence. 1193 00:54:22,600 --> 00:54:25,680 They changed that in 2007, so they missed that bar a year. 1194 00:54:26,240 --> 00:54:29,560 The judge that presided over her case was the same judge who had 1195 00:54:29,560 --> 00:54:32,600 actually signed a search warrant on the date of the initial 911 1196 00:54:32,600 --> 00:54:34,840 call. He had said that he he hoped and 1197 00:54:34,840 --> 00:54:37,480 prayed that he was not going to be assigned this one case 1198 00:54:38,080 --> 00:54:40,440 because it would have been too much to fucking deal with. 1199 00:54:40,440 --> 00:54:42,200 You know who who wants to fucking? 1200 00:54:42,680 --> 00:54:44,520 Yeah, that's. You know, fucking. 1201 00:54:44,720 --> 00:54:47,800 The same story. She told the investigators that 1202 00:54:47,800 --> 00:54:51,280 she would hold the baby for no longer than a minute or two and 1203 00:54:51,280 --> 00:54:54,240 then she would use her thumbs to press forward to block the 1204 00:54:54,240 --> 00:54:56,760 airway and essentially strangling the baby. 1205 00:54:58,000 --> 00:55:00,840 She took a plea deal rather than going to trial and pled guilty 1206 00:55:00,840 --> 00:55:02,720 to six counts of first degree felony murder. 1207 00:55:03,080 --> 00:55:05,400 As part of the plea deal, the prosecutors did agree to 1208 00:55:05,400 --> 00:55:09,200 recommend that the five years to life and prison sentence run 1209 00:55:09,200 --> 00:55:11,360 concurrent, which means they all run at the same time. 1210 00:55:11,640 --> 00:55:16,480 OK, the judge said fuck you and sentence her to life for each 1211 00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:19,640 murder with three of the sentences running consecutively 1212 00:55:19,640 --> 00:55:22,080 one after the other and the other charges running 1213 00:55:22,080 --> 00:55:25,400 concurrent. So she what, got 600 years in? 1214 00:55:25,400 --> 00:55:27,240 Jail. Yeah, it's something fucking 1215 00:55:27,240 --> 00:55:30,680 weird, but her first parole hearing won't be until April of 1216 00:55:30,680 --> 00:55:35,920 2064, when she will be 89 years old, so she's pretty much 1217 00:55:35,920 --> 00:55:37,560 spending the rest of her fucking life in prison. 1218 00:55:37,640 --> 00:55:38,680 Good. Fuck her. 1219 00:55:39,520 --> 00:55:41,960 In the court, her three daughters read statements in 1220 00:55:41,960 --> 00:55:44,760 support of their mother, all saying that she had always been 1221 00:55:44,760 --> 00:55:49,840 the best mother. Yeah, despite the meth use and 1222 00:55:50,200 --> 00:55:52,080 then the neglect and the abandonment. 1223 00:55:52,600 --> 00:55:54,440 Other than that, she was great. Yeah. 1224 00:55:54,840 --> 00:55:59,160 Mother of the Year In addition to her healthy 3 alive 1225 00:55:59,160 --> 00:56:03,480 daughters, Megan gave birth to five girls and two boys. 1226 00:56:03,600 --> 00:56:08,160 Damn, that's a lot of kids. Six of the seven were alive 1227 00:56:08,160 --> 00:56:11,600 anywhere from a few seconds after birth up to two minutes 1228 00:56:11,600 --> 00:56:13,280 before being killed by their mother. 1229 00:56:14,040 --> 00:56:17,480 DNA tests taken of all the babies proved that Darren was 1230 00:56:17,480 --> 00:56:19,320 the father of each of them. Which is good. 1231 00:56:19,920 --> 00:56:21,840 You know, she didn't wander off to any other methods. 1232 00:56:23,200 --> 00:56:27,040 Darren and his daughters had given names for each of the 1233 00:56:27,040 --> 00:56:29,200 babies and gave them a proper burial. 1234 00:56:29,280 --> 00:56:32,720 Which is good, you know, give them a, an official, you know, 1235 00:56:32,720 --> 00:56:33,840 name. You know, it's funny when you 1236 00:56:33,840 --> 00:56:36,280 first start hearing the story, you think Darren is gonna be up 1237 00:56:36,280 --> 00:56:37,160 to something. No good. 1238 00:56:37,160 --> 00:56:40,440 Yeah, it turned out to be the. He's the fucking the baby. 1239 00:56:40,440 --> 00:56:43,760 Yeah, the baby spawning twisted mother on meth. 1240 00:56:43,920 --> 00:56:46,040 Dude, he's got some fucking strong seed though. 1241 00:56:47,640 --> 00:56:50,080 The fact that she could just hide baby after baby two is. 1242 00:56:50,080 --> 00:56:51,000 Impressive. Yeah, yeah. 1243 00:56:52,200 --> 00:56:55,480 All right, so that'll do it for what's in the box by Criminal. 1244 00:56:55,480 --> 00:56:57,360 I didn't think it was going to be 6 dead babies. 1245 00:56:58,440 --> 00:57:01,080 Thank you again to Chris Owen for researching this story for 1246 00:57:01,080 --> 00:57:02,440 us. Let us know what you all thought 1247 00:57:02,440 --> 00:57:05,560 of this episode. Comment on Good Pods, Spotify or 1248 00:57:05,560 --> 00:57:07,440 leave us a review on Apple Podcast. 1249 00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:08,640 Thank you all for hanging out with us. 1250 00:57:08,920 --> 00:57:11,240 Head on over to criminalasfuck.com to ask us 1251 00:57:11,240 --> 00:57:14,960 anything you'd like via our mail call tab, or if you'd like us to 1252 00:57:14,960 --> 00:57:18,760 give our shitty advice on a situation that is plaguing you 1253 00:57:18,760 --> 00:57:20,760 at the moment. 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Now give me our theme music. 1261 00:57:42,600 --> 00:57:45,280 Executive producers for this episode are Christine Rivera, 1262 00:57:45,400 --> 00:57:47,880 Beth Davis, Dusty J Hicks and Terry Burke. 1263 00:57:47,880 --> 00:57:51,680 Forward associate producers are Paul Hodge, Tara Mazer, 1264 00:57:51,720 --> 00:57:54,960 Chantelle Daggett, Jay from Fight Flick FM, K, Cherise Webb, 1265 00:57:55,040 --> 00:57:57,600 Corey Cribbs, Donnie Blake and Jared Rhodes. 1266 00:57:58,520 --> 00:58:02,240 Producers are JD, Trent Dobble, Devin Dean, Ashley O'Connor, 1267 00:58:02,240 --> 00:58:06,080 Alyssa Perello, Alicia Knight, Maria Celine, Chris Owen Not 1268 00:58:06,080 --> 00:58:09,760 that Chad, Emily White, Ian Turner, Emily Dick and dasher 1269 00:58:09,920 --> 00:58:12,880 Debbie from True Crime University, Jeanette LeBlanc and 1270 00:58:12,880 --> 00:58:16,360 Renee Prada. Intro and outro music by David 1271 00:58:16,360 --> 00:58:19,280 Mercurio. 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