Hello and welcome back Shark. Here's to another episode of
Deep Dives with sharks. My name is still Alex.
I've decided not to change it. I'm just going to keep being
Alex. It works, you know.
Why not? But I am still fighting with
intro music, so if it's on here, awesome.
If not, I'm, I'm doing my best, you know, it's the, it's not my
Forte. I talk about sharks.
I don't make music. I'm trying, I'm trying.
We'll get there eventually, but I do have some life updates for
you guys. I officially graduated.
Woo Hoo. So I have my masters of social
work, which may confuse some of you because why is a social
worker doing a shark podcast? Well, that is simply because I
find sharks incredibly interesting.
I said in episode one that I do not work with sharks or have a
degree in shark sciences. I'm just a guy with ADHD who
loves sharks and wanted to find a way to organize all the shark
facts swirling around in my brain and somehow made it onto
your Spotify, Apple Music or other podcasts listening device.
Now, we did also officially make it into 100 countries and I
simply just cannot believe that the shark ears came out in
droves to spread the surround to your friends, follow along on
the social media and listen to episodes even when I'm missing
because I overbooked myself. So thank you all so incredibly
much. I got to give a quick shout out
to Texas and Florida for being the top two states that listen
in the United States, and England and Scotland are the top
two countries listening inside the UK, which is number 2.
I'll put out more analytics if you guys are interested in that
and you can also feel free to ask about it on the social media
or if you have a specific country, you can ask about that
too. I am very happy to let you know
whatever details I have for the country you were curious about.
I'd also like to give a quick shout out to Asher over on
Spotify as they've requested lemon sharks in the comments of
every episode since I asked you all to do that.
And every time I check the comments after an episode is
posted, there's Asher with lemon sharks and multiple exclamation
points and I absolutely love it, which I don't know why I can't
say exclamation, but it's fine. But I did want to thank you for
that. That is incredible.
It's without fail, every single time within a day of it going
up, the comment is there and I just love the support.
I do need to talk about something a little bit serious
ish before we get started. A few months back, a few people
had been bitten by sharks around Central Florida beaches.
And I try very hard not to get political on here.
I mean, not really hard. It's not too hard to not
politicize sharks. But evidently a certain
politician decided to make some statements about sharks and I'm
going to do my best to not share how I feel about them
personally, only the statements that they've recently made.
But in his speech in Nevada, Donald Trump began talking about
the shark bites that occurred in Florida and sort of made a
point, but sort of just blabbered about them to rile
people up a bit. And that's what it just seemed
like to me. So after attending Shark Khan, I
was able to discuss more about that.
And also I will talk more about Shark Khan in the Shark Week
versus Shark Fest episode, which is coming next week, by the way.
So woo Hoo, I seem to finish writing out the script for it,
but don't worry. But I was able to talk to some
shark experts. One of them was Jackson Hooton,
very great person, I definitely recommend looking more into them
and he was kind enough to feel my questions and pointed out
that the upticks of shark bites aren't really out of the
ordinary as we aren't outside the average for shark bites in
the normal year. Now, Jackson also mentioned that
sharks respond to hurricanes and other large storms as well as
large pressure systems coming into the Gulf area and tend to
move to different areas when they're coming, which would
create a density issue as more sharks are coming into an area
that people are in. So it's more of a density issue
rather than a bite issue. But but since people are at
beaches around spring break and summertime and pressure systems
and storms are coming through the area around that time as
well, sharks can move to other beaches away from the weather
creating a large number of sharks in the area, hence the
density issue. So there really is no need for
any panic as sharks aren't coming for us and also don't
support political candidates. They support Poseidon and
protecting the lost city of Atlantis.
As everyone knows now, Trump also made some other statements
about sharks getting electrocuted and some other
things that looking into it, I have no idea what he is talking
about here, but some people asked me to discuss this on here
and this is the best that I got. When it comes to solutions to
protect swimmers during hurricane season, there aren't a
whole lot because we can't just close down the beaches as that
affects the economy and people don't like when the economy is
hurt. Plus sharks aren't hunting
swimmers. So there's really not a need to
shut down all the beaches. It's it's not going to solve a
problem. Plus people are going to ignore
it anyway. They're going to still run out
there. I mean, we've all seen people
walk through a do not walk sign or sidewalk closed.
What's going to stop them from being like, I paid to be here,
I'm a go ahead and go on the beach anyway.
So, you know, that wouldn't really solve too much there
anyway. Hunting sharks would destroy the
ecosystem as sharks are an apex predator and eliminating them
will send an already fragile ecosystem into a spiral.
So that doesn't really work either.
A couple people have asked about shark Nets.
These were used very frequently in Australia, especially in the
early 2000s and a little bit before.
But sharks can either swim around them, trapping them
closer to the beach where people are, or they get caught in them
and can suffocate, which kills endangered or threatened
species. Plus, it also doesn't only kill
sharks, it also kills other fish as well, once again sending that
ecosystem into a spiral. So the only thing that should
happen is that people should keep an eye out when you're in
the water, when they're swimming in the ocean.
Just be cautious. I'm going to give y'all a little
rule that my mom, good old Mama sandwich was a nickname I had in
high school. It's fine.
I was called Sandwiches. I don't know if my mom wants me
putting her actual name out here, so we're just going to go
Mama sandwich. It works.
But you would always tell my sister and I when we were out at
Ocean City to not go in the water past their hips for a
couple reasons. For one, we do get a decent
number of riptides out there, and she was erring on the side
of caution. You know, let's just not have
the kids get swept away in the ocean.
It's going to kind of put a damper on the vacation.
Also, the water was rather murky.
It wasn't dirty, it just had a lot of phytoplankton and other
small organisms that didn't really pose a threat to humans.
But visibility was still very limited.
Pretty much about by the time you got halfway up your shin you
couldn't see your feet. And I'm not a very tall person
so it's not like I'm 68 and my shins like 4 feet up my leg.
Like it I'm I'm 5-6 for anyone wondering.
So not that tall, but like still you get halfway up your shit and
I can't see my feet anymore. So there's not a whole lot of
space there, but seeing it hip, that hip depth meant that it
would be real hard for something to sneak up on US.
Florida beaches are beautiful and I love going to Clearwater,
Indian Rocks or Saint Pete as the water is crystal clear in
comparison. Does get a little bit more murky
when the storms come through, but you can see much better.
But when I know shark activity is up, I remember good old Mama
sandwich and don't go past my hips.
I can still kneel in the water and it's off to my shoulders.
Did my head under to cool off real quick, but still get up and
get out the way if something's getting a little too
inquisitive. Mostly the the fish over there.
There's the sharks don't really come and I've seen maybe one
shark over there. I've seen a million and a half
fish. They just keep coming trying to
figure out what I'm doing. But there's no need to be
afraid, go in the ocean or feel that sharks are losing their
minds because of an upcoming political election.
The weather has changed and the sharks are responding to that.
They aren't hunting humans and should never be used as a tool
to push fear onto others. But that's the end of my little
rant for now. Spoiler alert, I'm going to talk
more about that during the safety portion of the episode.
But of course, if you have any questions, comments, concerns,
send them over to the Instagram or Twitter.
I'm not going to debate anyone politically there though, so if
you want to know my political thoughts, that's not the place.
Sorry, But I'm here to talk about sharks and interesting
shark things. So sharks don't understand
politics, they just understand swim, blub, and food.
But feel free to follow along on Instagram at Deep Dives with
Sharks or on Twitter at Deep Dives Sharks.
Now going on to the shark of the episode, we've got our very
first fully extinct species as we've done the megalodon, which
some of you still believe is not extinct.
I'll debate you on that. How about that?
We can get we can debate on that if you want to.
But this episode we're going to be talking about the
Helicopreon. So this one was suggested by a
couple people. I was between this one and the
Hidobus, which I apologize if I am mispronouncing either of
those sharks since they looked freaky.
This one was one of the last two episodes.
Someone asked if they could cover the helicopterion and I
was really excited about because they look the freakier of the
two. But the helicopterion was around
for about 20 million years during the Cicerolean and the
Guadalupean stages, about 290,000,000 years to 270 million
years ago. Now.
I'm very sorry if I am mispronouncing these periods or
if I got them messed up. I'm a history nerd when it comes
to the modern era, but outside of that I am rather trash so
that is unfortunate. So if any historians are
listening I'd like to send my deepest apologies.
But they're mostly known for their tooth whirls or the
circular saw blade like teeth located on the front of their
lower jaw. Now it's hard to know exactly
what the Helicopreon looked like as cartilage tends to
disintegrate when the decay begins and these guys haven't
been hanging around the oceans for a few million years, so no
one has seen them. There have been a few instances
where a specimen has been preserved to a certain degree,
but we never had a complete one. We have been able to make some
guesses based on what fragments of the body we could piece
together and from artist renderings.
They appeared to be rather slender, similar to a Mako
shark, but their fins appeared to be even smaller than a Makos
would be. They would be about 16 to 26
feet long or five to 8 meters and had a poor Beagle shaped
face, so short chubby looking face with a sharp nose above the
tooth whirls and large eyes. Their girls sat just before
their pectoral fins with her dorsal fin placed opposite of
their bottom fins directly center of their backs.
Not like the center like lengthwise but like width wise.
So it was like above their fins dead center.
It's really hard to I I there's definitely better words to use
there but my brain cannot form them unfortunately.
But it is a rather evenly spaced shark which just scratches the
brain so nicely when you're looking at the the renditions of
it. Which could just be the artist
renditions trying to make it look pretty or that could be how
the shark really looked. I'm not sure.
Either way, it is believed that this shark was an open water
shark, similar to a miko, which would explain them sharing
similar body shapes. And these sharks would be found
all around the world, including Russia, China, WA, Japan,
Kazakhstan, Norway, Laos, Canada, Norway, Mexico, and the
US. Now over 50% of this shark's
fossils have been found in Idaho, with an additional 25%
being found in the Ural Mountains of Russia.
Neither of those areas are very close to water, which may be
confusing for some, but the earth has shifted quite a lot
since it first existed to where it is now.
So it makes sense that these regions could have been
underwater millions of years ago, but now they're not.
The sharks didn't just go running around land, at least
not that we know of. Also the way the earth shifted.
That is why megalodons are Megalodon teeth are found a lot
in Central Florida, like the landlocked area, not like on the
beaches and of course on the Eastern Shore of Maryland, which
around the Salisbury area, that's where you'll find a lot
of megalodon teeth as well. Even though that is in between
the Chesapeake Bay and Ocean City.
It's not really it. It's not that close to water
like it. You can see how the land would
move, but it's not like you're a hop, skip and a jump from the
water. You still got to drive a little
bit to get there. But I'm getting off track.
But I'm going to do my best to describe the tooth whirls.
I've mentioned them a few times but they are freaking cool
looking and they are kind of hard to describe so I'm going to
do my best. But as mentioned earlier, they
kind of look like a circular saw.
The spiral shape comes from a singular tooth root on the
world, and the larger teeth are going to be towards the outside
as the center is where the teeth start forming.
Oldest teeth on the outside, newer teeth come from the
center. They can go to be about 3.9
inches or 10 centimeters when they are nearing the end of the
world. As the tooth gets older, it gets
pushed out towards the end of the world and it will lose the
crown, which we are used to seeing on other shark teeth.
The tooth rolls would fit inside the mouth easily without causing
injury. The roof of the mouth was a
little bit higher so it just fit nice Tuckley and tucked in there
nicely. There we go.
That's what I'm trying to say. And some of the earlier
reconstructions believe that the world went above the nose, which
looked rather silly, kind of like a gesture shoe, but for a
nose. So, you know, that little spiral
little shoe there? Yeah, that that was on top of
the nose. It looked rather rather wild.
There were multiple species of helicopterion that could be
identified by the distinction in their tooth whirls that is
believed by the scientists that have researched them.
And the closest living relative of this shark would be the
Shamaras or the ghost shark as some of us know them.
Which is rather neat, especially since the ghost shark isn't
known for having wild teeth. Although if I remember correctly
they do have small Trident shaped teeth but still not very
whirl like now due to the shark not being alive with humans, it
is unsure what they ate or how they haunted.
They can't really document any of that.
If our time didn't really overlap, or even if it did, it
was very very brief and we were not really studying the world
around us at that point too much.
But due to the shark not being alive with humans, it's also a
lot of speculation on how their abnormal jaw could have helped
while hunting. Whether it be to impale, reduce
friction while swimming, or if it was just for mating.
Simply there were a lot of different speculations on that
as well. I for one feel that they were
just ahead of the curve, possibly being the inspiration
for the Mohawk that many rock phenoms have supported during
their day. So got to give a nice little
shout out to them for that. Feel like it was a nice touch,
but what lovable little freaks these guys are and were and
possibly are hiding somewhere as someone's going to debate me on.
I know it. I feel like you name any extinct
species a shark and someone will immediately come at you with.
But what about the deep ocean? Not everything goes to the deep
ocean, my guys. It's OK.
But I will say that is one of my favorite things and it is
possible. Of course, I'm not going to rule
that out. I would just say that right now
scientists have not seen any evidence that they are still
around. Same with the megalodon.
But of course, those are the types of things that I am happy
to friendly debate with you all, not actually argument.
We we can discuss our points and go on our way.
So yes. But if you guys have any
questions, if you want to talk more about this, you can feel
free to do so over on the social medias as I listed earlier and I
will be more than happy to chat with you about those.
I also apologize if I don't get back to you in a timely matter.
I'm currently doing interviews for things and everything like
that. So life is still a little bit
busy, not quite as busy as it was.
So I am checking that a little bit more frequently, but going
on to our shark safety portion. Now, as I mentioned, we're going
to be talking about this density issue.
So I simply titled this staying safe with the density issue and
this one I got from CBS42 Shark Con and of course, taking from a
couple different previous segments as well.
But as previously mentioned, sharks are not biting humans
more than they typically do. So this is not to create panic,
but there are situations that lead to the density issues or
more sharks and humans occupying the same area.
And today I'm going to discuss some of those situations.
Now the biggest one of course is migration.
Now this can happen for a lot of reasons.
For one, weather changes and time of year changes.
So sharks aren't going to be densely populated in Canada
during the winter as they like warmer waters.
Now warmer waters doesn't mean they're thriving in the warming
oceans as they're areas that they still get uncomfortably
warm for them as well. It's pretty consistently in the
mid 90s here in Central Florida throughout July and August, even
going into September a bit and June as well.
It kind of just most of the year it's it's warm as all get out
here, but a lot of people don't like leaving the house.
So it's tends to be slow season for a lot of businesses because
of the oppressive heat. And similarly, sharks don't like
water that is too hot or too cold.
Juvenile great whites around California have moved further
South into Mexico waters if it gets to be too warm and vice
versa. So sharks will move into Maine,
Washington and Canada during the spring as the waters warm up a
bit and go up the coast of America when it's getting closer
to summer. And then we'll head back towards
the Gulf of Mexico, Florida Peninsula, Southern California,
Baja California and Mexico during the winter months as
those waters tend to be warmer there.
When sharks are migrating, some species will travel close to the
shore in large numbers, which is why we can often see news
stories of massive shark migrations in the spring,
recommending caution when going to the beach because these
groups can be in the hundreds if moving together.
Sharks will also quickly migrate away from an area if there are
certain weather events coming to an area.
One big factor are hurricanes here in America and Mexico and
typhoons over in Asia. With this, sharks can sense
pressure changes and water temperature change that can
cause these storms to get very powerful, such as the case of
barrel coming through in July. The Gulf is typically warmer
than the ocean about when the waters get uncharacteristically
warm. It can cause storms to go from a
category one to a category three and what seems like ours, which
is of course an exaggeration. It does tend to take days, but
Even so, that is still a rapid change.
So these storms can get very powerful very quick.
And some storms won't become hurricanes, but still will
create enough of a pressure change that these sharks will
still move out of the area. Now, they don't tend to do this
with thunderstorms, especially in Florida where it seems like
this time of year you get an afternoon thunderstorm no matter
what. So it's going to be one of those
things that sharks don't tend to move out of the way of
thunderstorms, but these big storms that are causing a little
bit more ruckus, they'll tend to move for.
Often sharks can sense these changes and will move to safety
either around the coast of Florida or in some cases just
move to another area of the Gulf if possible.
This creates more food competition, which can drive
sharks closer to shore, which is often how people tend to hang
out there. And this is when bites tend to
happen more because people tend to hang out in Florida around
hurricane season as many Americans are on vacation around
spring break or the summertime as well.
So, as Jackson Hooton put it, we have more people in the area and
more sharks driven to the same area, hence the density issue.
Another cause is simply the pressure systems that can move
through. Later in July, a high pressure
system decided to plop itself right over the Gulf, which
caused storms to not form but still drove some sharks out of
the area as it threw something off inside of them, kind of made
them feel a little uncomfy. I can tell myself when pressure
systems are moving through the area as I tend to get headaches
for a few days, but they bounce out once it moves through.
So I'm connected to sharks just because I'm cool like that.
But you know, it's fine, just be jealous, it's all right.
But now you only bring that up because it's an example of how
that can affect sharks in a similar way that it can affect
us. I know I've got a couple friends
that also get headaches when weird pressure things are going
on, so sharks can have similar experiences.
I don't know if they get headaches, but they can at least
feel uncomfy in that moment. Now as mentioned in a previous
episode, climate change continues.
Sharks are being driven closer to shore, following food and
cooler waters, which puts them closer to humans as well.
So many reasons why they could be moving to other areas, but
the main question is what can we do about it to not get bit or at
least create safe waters for sharks?
So to keep yourself safe swimming groups or be in the
water with friends rather than by yourself, keep an eye out
when you're in the water. So just do a quick scan every
now and then. You don't have to do it every 10
seconds, anything like that. The sharks aren't creeping in to
try to come get you. They're just simply hanging out.
They might be trying to figure out what you are.
And if you see them getting a little too close, just keep that
eye contact, stare them down. You know they're going to be
like, oh, I don't know what they're going to do.
But I can tell you how many times I'm hanging out in
Clearwater Beach just looking around and suddenly there's a
fish trying to figure out what I'm doing in their neighborhood.
You don't want to hang out in a school of fish.
Sharks may come try to eat them and grab you as well
unintentionally. I usually just move to the side
a bit, gets me out of the middle of the school of them and
they're likely to run elsewhere rather than into me.
If a shark does show up. They also tend to not like if
you move too much. So if you're having
conversations, if you're moving around, the fish tend not to
swarm around you anyway. It's kind of when you're just
hanging out and being real still kind of having that nice
relaxing moment is when the fish tend to show up.
So all you have to do is really just scoot to the side a little
bit and they're like, oh God, it moves and they swim away.
But you want to keep an eye on weather events as well and when
standard shark migration may be occurring, if you see a density
issue maybe occurring where you are or where you're heading.
So just kind of keep an eye out on that.
If you feel like there might be sharks in the area.
You can also always talk to lifeguards, do some research,
anything like that. I wouldn't only rely on this
podcast because I am not as up to date as I should be.
Clearly I was, excuse me, I was gone for like 3 months.
So that's good. But also don't do things that
will attract sharks to you, such as feeding fish in the water,
wearing shiny jewelry that mimics fish scales, or thrashing
around if you've seen something move, as thrashing can mimic an
injured fish, meaning an easy target.
As to how to help sharks. Simple things in our daily lives
such as recycling when available, finding out where
your food comes from and if it's sustainably sourced, and
supporting companies that aim to help the environment in their
practices rather than those looking to maximize profit.
We can't wave a magic wand and solve climate change, sadly.
But if we do what we can, it will make enough of a
difference, even if it feels insurmountable.
Just do what you can and you'll be doing enough.
But that is what I have for the safety portion of the episode
here. Of course.
If you have any questions or want more details, anything like
that, feel free to reach out on social media once again.
Which this now brings us to our lovely part of Shark News.
Now this week I have a couple stories.
The first one comes from deadly upwellings of cold water pose
threat to migratory sharks and that is from newscientist.com.
So in 2021 hundreds of marine animals washed up on the shore
of South Africa due to upwelling cold currents that would shock
their system causing them to die.
As water warms, sea creatures try to swim away from it, but
when they are met with a wall of water that is 18°F or 10°
colder, it's, it's too intense of a change for many creatures.
It can shock them and it gets really, it's too much.
It's very uncomfortable when the air temperature changes 10°F
around here, or at least it's very noticeable.
Australia has had similar problems because of currents and
wind patterns which can move cold water upwelling
substantially through the water column.
I am stumbling over words, my goodness substantially through
the water column. Researchers are looking into
ways to combat this effect, but are looking at other areas where
seasonal upwellings occur. They were looking to see if
there are risks as well, but so far I've concluded that they're
not as much of an issue as These are seasonal rather than
triggered by weather events. So the Gulf of Mexico, which has
the upwellings due to the valley that we have there, I, I'm
forgetting the word for it, but they have that upwelling that
happens in the spring that brings whale sharks further
north. They've not been affected
drastically, at least so far. So thankfully on this front, we
don't have too, too much to worry about.
Now, the next one that I have comes from Orlando.
It's SeaWorld Shark Experience, not so ultimate for abused
sharks. And this is by PETA, so I'm
already conflicted with the source for reasons summarize the
article. Pita is upset with SeaWorld
which has had a slew of incidents in the past and here
they are targeting the Shark Experience ticket that was
available back in July. Now to start off, they call
aquariums animal prisons in the name of conservation, which I
disagree with. They go on to say that touch
tanks and tanks in general are not enough as sharks migrate and
can travel 45 miles daily. Now looking at that statement
alone, sharks do like the move. The whale sharks in the Georgia
aquarium are used to moving miles throughout the day, and
their tank isn't miles long. But when you go there, they're
swimming comfortably, not slimming into walls or each
other or trying to get out of the tank.
They just seem to be chilling. It's more about the movement in
my opinion rather than the destination.
Now I could be wrong, like I said, I'm not a shark expert per
SE. But I will say that I have spin
to that aquarium multiple times and every time I've seen the
whale shark bump into the manta ray, that's the worst I've seen
happen. They tend to just kind of swim
around and hang out and they do not seem abused, upset.
They seem very happy when it's food time it they seem like
they're doing normal shark things.
That article goes on to call for a boycott to animal prisons,
quote UN quote as they do nothing but ensure profits blah
blah blah. I got really annoyed from the
start of this article because I am very pro ASPCA and animal
rights groups such as the ACA that monitors zoos and aquariums
that aims to help protect animals.
PETA wants all these animals be freed back into the oceans which
sounds wonderful except they mostly can't hunt.
Even in the case where orcas were released to a sanctuary and
monitored, they still died because they couldn't find their
own food or care for themselves. Now yes, that is because they
were in captivity, which isn't fantastic, but I can say for
myself, being face to face with a shark, a giraffe, lion, puffin
gorilla, okapi, puffer fish, sloth, list goes on and on.
It hits so much harder than seeing it on a book or on TV.
People get excited when they go to the zoo or aquarium because
they get to see animals that they've seen on TV and that is
just such a cool experience. Now going to the Baltimore
aquarium as a child seeing sharks got me excited.
I remember rushing through the aquarium to get to the shark
section just to see them. So I the idea that aquariums and
zoos do nothing is insane to me and I cannot disagree more.
Peta's also had an incredibly shady past that I'm not going to
get into, but I do not like the organization as I feel their
practices are extreme and they've done things without
thinking which has hurt more animals and instances where they
would have been better off if they did not intervene.
This article was designed to cause outrage and call for
drastic change without any support for the animals it will
affect. Now SeaWorld is Aza credited and
has changed many practices that upset people previously.
I have not been there as I'm still very conflicted about
going. Of course keeping orcas is not
fantastic, but they can't just release them and at the same
time the place looks so cool and I want to go.
So I need to do more research to see if I will go there.
The Aza also recently shut down I believe was the Miami Zoo
Aquarium. I need to look into that a
little bit more to make sure I am claiming the right thing.
But there's a highly problematic area.
I guess it was an animal exhibit type deal over Miami and the Aza
stepped in and shut it down. So they do things to protect
animals and they would not work with SeaWorld or give them
accreditation and they'd be actively trying to shut them
down if SeaWorld was abusing their animals.
So to quote Forrest Gump, that's all I have to say about that.
But of course, you're more than welcome to support any
organization that you feel is doing a mission that you feel is
the right fight. And that goes for anything.
I'm not here to sway you politically sway you in support
or not support of an organization or anything like
that. I do not want this to be a a hit
call, of course, or anything like that or a boycott on them.
I just personally do not like them as I feel like some of the
things that I've heard and some of the things I've looked into,
I just don't feel they've done a good job about it.
But that is all that I have for that.
Of course, feel free to let me know how you feel about that as
well. And that's what I have for the
episode. So I want to thank you all for
listening. Once again, thank you for
getting us to 100 countries. That is incredible.
Shark Week versus Shark Fest should be coming next week once
I get that script finished, and then we'll do another movie
synopsis, analysis, whatever it was.
That one will be coming hopefully the week after.
And then we shall get back to our regularly scheduled
programming. But of course, follow along on
the Instagram at Deep Dives with Sharks or on Twitter at Deep
Dive Sharks. I run different polls, things
like that. Send any questions, comments,
concerns, anything like that. And of course, give us a rating
on Spotify, Apple, anywhere you're listening really, if it
has a rating system or comments, please let me know how you're
feeling. I would love to hear about it.
Ratings are super helpful as they can make the podcast show
up higher on Google results and make it even easier for people
to find us. But you all take care.
I am very happy to be back an I will see you in the next one.