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Hello and welcome back Shark. 
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Keep diving with us to hear more

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about it. 
Brie and I are trying to find 

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ways to see what we can do to 
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I do appreciate all the work 
that she's been doing and also 

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need to give her a shout out 
because she did get these notes 

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to me a few weeks ago and I did 
not plan on disappearing. 

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So I do appreciate all the help 
that she has given and will 

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continue to do. 
But please feel free to send any

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questions, comments, or any 
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social media or in the comments.
And let me know if you have any 

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interactions or anything like 
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wild you want to share. 
I'll be happy to share them on 

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the next episode as well. 
I do appreciate how much 

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everyone has been active in the 
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I've gotten lots of LED Ms. as 
always. 

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I do think I saw one of the 
funniest comments ever. 

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Someone asked when the next 
episode be coming out and the 

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response quite literally just 
said get some patience diggity 

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dog and that was incredibly 
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I do appreciate checking in to 
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be as well because once again I 
did not plan on disappearing and

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it just made me laugh to see 
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But I do also appreciate 
everyone that's been helping 

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each other out in the comments 
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So of course whenever anyone 
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already been covered, a lot of 
you have been quick to get to 

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the comments and let them know 
which episode that is in. 

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In a very nice and respectful 
way, which I genuinely do 

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appreciate. 
But today's shark is powerful, 

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misunderstood, oddly named and a
near threatened species. 

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It is the poor Beagle. 
I know you're probably wondering

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why is it called a poor Beagle 
shark? 

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Well that's an excellent 
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fully agrees. 
The name Poor Beagle may come 

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from porpoise due to the shark's
body shape or what they thought 

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their diet was, and Beagle for 
its dog like hunting style. 

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Others think it is a mash up of 
words that evolved over time 

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through fisherman slang. 
Either way, it's one of those 

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shark names that sounds adorable
and threatening at the same 

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time. 
They sound like they'll be there

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to give you a nice cuddle, but 
they also might stab you. 

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You don't know. 
Poor Beagles closely resemble 

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their famous relatives, the 
Great White and Salmon shark. 

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They look derpier or like 
they're always giving you the 

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puppy dog eyes. 
They've got that classic 

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mackerel shark look, a conical 
snout, Crescent shaped tail and 

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a sleek torpedo like body built 
for speed. 

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They're usually dark Gray on top
with a pale underside, which is 

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classic shark camouflage that 
counter shading there. 

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One key identifying feature 
though is the white or light 

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Gray rear tip of the dorsal fin,
which many sharks don't have. 

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They can grow up to 12 feet long
and weigh about 500 lbs. 

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So not small, but still smaller 
than their celebrity cousin, the

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Great white. 
Here's where poor beagles get 

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especially cool, literally and 
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Like other sharks in their 
family, poor beagles can raise 

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their body temperature up to 
20°F above the surrounding 

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water. 
This means while everything else

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is freezing, they're cruising 
around like, you know, that's 

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fine. 
This adaption lets them thrive 

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in cold waters, making them one 
of the oceans elite cold water 

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predators. 
Basically, they brought their 

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own heater. 
Humans do something similar. 

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We're able to go into cold 
environments because of our warm

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blood and we don't instantly 
freeze. 

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But we've all heard of friends 
who have or people on the 

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Internet or anything like that 
who have left birds or reptiles 

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too close to the the outdoors 
when it's cold. 

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And unfortunately that animal 
cannot handle it. 

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And that's about it. 
So yeah, humans are able to do 

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this because if I have cold 
weather, some sharks can, others

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cannot. 
Poor beagles are one of the ones

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that can go into cold water, and
they'll be just fine. 

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Now in the Northern Hemisphere, 
they're found only in the 

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Atlantic Ocean, ranging from New
Jersey and Canada all the way to

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Greenland, Iceland, Norway, and 
even the Mediterranean. 

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In the Southern Hemisphere, 
they're circum global, swimming 

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in a band between 30 and 60° S 
latitude, so they only stay 

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right about there. 
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is important because it 
distinguishes them from their 

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close relative, this salmon 
shark, which only lives in the 

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North Pacific. 
Poor beagles can be found from 

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the surface down to nearly 2350 
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And while they prefer open 
ocean, they can also hang out in

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coastal waters. 
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brackish estuaries, though they 
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But this is interesting because 
many sharks won't travel into 

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brackish estuaries. 
So I'm wondering if they're 

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going to do something similar 
evolutionarily to like what the 

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bull shark did, which is where 
they're able to move more into 

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freshwater. 
But I don't think we'd see that 

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really in our lifetime. 
That'll probably be hundreds of 

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years down the line if anything.
I could be wrong. 

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It might happen tomorrow. 
We'll find out now. 

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Despite their size and power, 
poor beagles are not aggressive 

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towards human. 
The International Shark Attack 

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File lists only a handful of 
unprovoked attacks ever, both 

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fatal. 
Sorry, both non fatal and 

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involving divers who got too 
close or bites to fishermen 

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handling the shark. 
Which in case you guys did not 

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realize, the international shark
attack file doesn't just count 

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provoked or unprovoked bites, it
counts them both. 

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So even if someone's like 
punching a shark for no reason 

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and it bites them, you're in the
file. 

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Congratulations, all those 
people that have messed with 

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nurse sharks that have done 
nothing but just sit there and 

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then they get bit. 
Congrats, you're in the file, 

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but also the surfer who was just
hanging out fell in the water 

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and got bit unprovoked. 
You're also in the file. 

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So it just keeps track of all 
the bites, does it? 

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If you're in the file there, it 
doesn't say that you're doing 

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anything wrong. 
You're just you got bit by a 

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shark. 
They've even been filmed making 

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fast passes at divers on oil 
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without attacking. 
This behavior is thought to be 

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exploratory or defensive. 
Basically the shark equivalent 

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of saying, what's this thing in 
front of me? 

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It's kind of the same thing. 
If weird things popped up in 

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your living room, once again, 
you'd you'd kind of question 

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what it is and what you can do 
to help it, why it's in your 

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house. 
They're kind of doing the same 

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thing, but they don't speak 
human languages now. 

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Port beagles migrate seasonally,
likely following temperature 

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gradients, rather than prey 
alone. 

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They also segregate by size and 
sex, and mature females often 

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separate from males and 
juveniles, which may help with 

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reducing unwanted mating, 
protecting newborns from 

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cannibalism, and keeping 
breeding seasonal and efficient.

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Which is honestly incredibly 
smart planning. 

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It's better than some humans do,
honestly. 

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I mean some people just be 
eating babies out here. 

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That's a whole joke. 
No I'm kidding, but don't eat 

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babies anyway. 
Historically, poor beagles were 

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considered a nuisance because 
they damaged fishing gear when 

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populations were higher. 
That nuisance status didn't 

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exactly help when fishing 
industrial fishing ramped up by 

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the mid 20th century. 
Poor beagles were heavily 

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overfished, especially by 
Norway, Denmark and Sweden. 

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Catches peaked in 1947 and 
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When North Atlantic stocks 
collapsed, fisheries shifted 

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locations and eventually to 
other species. 

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Today, port beagles are 
protected in US waters. 

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They are regulated in Europe. 
They're catch and release only 

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in Canada, but they are still 
poorly regulated in the Southern

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hemisphere. 
And we do see that with many 

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sharks, especially around South 
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I will say Australia has been 
one that does a lot for shark 

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conservation, but then you also 
have certain parts of Asia that 

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haven't as well. 
And then there's other parts of 

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Africa that have done a lot and 
some that have not too. 

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But some countries like Brazil 
have also put protections on 

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certain sharks. 
I believe Ecuador has 

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protections all around the 
Galapagos. 

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I believe Australia has put many
as well as South Africa has put 

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many out there. 
And if I did not mention your 

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country and you do know of 
protections that you have in 

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your water and you're in the 
Southern hemisphere, please feel

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free to let me know because I'm 
always trying to see what other 

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ways we are protecting sharks 
around the world. 

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So that's really cool. 
But they're also a major bycatch

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species, especially in long line
fisheries, and are often 

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harvested for meat oil, fish 
meal, and fins, which fish meal 

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is like the stupidest thing to 
use them for. 

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But anyway, the poor Beagle is 
listed by the ICUN as near 

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threatened globally but 
vulnerable in the Northeast 

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Atlantic. 
So a little bit different 

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depending on the hemisphere. 
Now catch rates of mature poor 

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beagles have dropped to about 
10% of historical levels and 

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recovery is slow because they 
grow slowly and reproduce later 

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in life. 
In 1997, global reported catch 

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was 1736 tons, while the 
estimated sustainable yield is 

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only about 1000 tons. 
In other words, we're still 

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taking more than the population 
can handle. 

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So not great. 
Thankfully, this is one of the 

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closer numbers, thankfully, that
that we've seen, but it still is

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not great and there still is 
more to be done to help protect 

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this population, which, as you 
will see later, all shark 

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populations are always battling.
But that is of course, what we 

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have for the poor Beagle for 
this episode. 

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If you guys feel like we missed 
anything or if there's anything 

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you'd like to add in, please 
share it in the comments 

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anywhere else that you can. 
And I will try to update that in

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correction corner. 
But going on to safety now, 

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we're going to be looking at an 
effective modern tools in ocean 

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safety, specifically smart boys 
and drone surveillance. 

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Now, smart buoys are floating 
monitor systems placed offshore 

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that detect tagged sharks as 
they pass through an area. 

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When A tag shark swims nearby, 
the buoy logs the detection and 

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can alert beach officials in 
real time. 

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Some systems even share this 
information with the public 

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through apps or websites. 
This means beaches can make 

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temporary targeted decisions, 
like clearing the water for a 

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short time rather than shutting 
everything down or using harmful

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methods. 
Drones have become one of the 

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most powerful shark safety tools
in recent years. 

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From the air, drones can spot 
sharks before swimmers even see 

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them, especially in Clearwater. 
That is different from 

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Clearwater, FL, although they 
can also use it there if they 

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want. 
Now lifeguards and beach patrols

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can monitor large areas quickly 
and respond immediately if a 

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shark is moving close to people.
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calm evacuations, and rapid 
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on because most sharks are just 
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around for lunch. 
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sharks, which is a huge win for 
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Both smart buoys and drones 
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to prevention. 
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incident, they're using science 
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swimmers, protect sharks from 
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fear based responses with 
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The cool thing is I did get to 
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Chris Lowe give a talk on this 
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year, but the year before. 
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because he is also the head of 
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Shark Lab in Long Beach. 
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they were collecting as we were 
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that they had collected by 
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these buoys not too far off of 
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to collect a lot more data, 
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shark, how deep it was in the 
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was, a lot of different things 
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were using things that they were
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the day versus different buoys 
that are supposed to be out 

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there for a while. 
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less, but it's really cool to 
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already stated, do help to be 
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reactionary. 
We're not waiting for someone to

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get bit. 
We're not waiting for harm to 

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happen. 
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Just try to figure out what's 
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commotion. 
So they're not there to get a 

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meal or anything like that 
anyway. 

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So it is nice to be able to 
like, hey, let's just get people

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out the water real quick because
the safest place to be at the 

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beach if you're afraid of 
getting bit by a shark is going 

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to be on the sand. 
It's not going to be in the 

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water. 
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from someone who spends the 
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beach in the water, and I've 
never been bit. 

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A lot of my friends love going 
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I don't know any of them that 
have been bit. 

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Of course, we've heard of people
being bit, but the amount of 

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folks that go to the beach and 
don't get bit, it's still a very

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high number. 
But it's really cool to see 

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these things in practice, 
especially as there are many 

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other options that are much more
violent, much more impactful and

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not in a good way, as we will 
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well. 
But it is good to see ways that 

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are going to prevent, that won't
disturb the sharks, will only 

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minorly inconvenience some 
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But I think being bit would 
inconvenience them a lot more. 

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So I do, I'm really curious to 
see what this is going to do in 

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the future. 
And I'm looking forward to 

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seeing how they will improve it 
because of course, we're always 

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improving things. 
But moving on to the news, as I 

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was just talking about the many 
methods that can be used, some 

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are not always effective. 
And the first one we've got 

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comes from the Guardian, and 
that is shark culls brought in 

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after fatal attack causes 
division and anger in New 

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Caledonia. 
So a little bit of background 

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here. 
Man in New Caledonia was using a

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wing foil which is like a 
windsurfing board but it has 

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this little thing underneath 
that when you pump your legs it 

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can propel the board forward as 
well. 

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And he was attacked while on 
this board by a 3M tiger shark 

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and unfortunately it was a fatal
incident and he lost his life. 

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Now the article does not go into
great detail about the incident,

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but New Caledonia decided a 
shark hull, which is where you 

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capture and kill many sharks 
from February 28th until 

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yesterday, March 4th would be 
the best way to go about this. 

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Now clearly this irritated 
environmentalist including 

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members of the Ensemble Por La 
Planet, I don't know if I 

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pronounce that properly. 
It is French who went to court 

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regarding this shark culling, 
stating that it is doing nothing

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to improve safety, only disturb 
the environment. 

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Now New Caledonia did try a 
shark hull back in 2013 that 

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yielded over 100 tiger and bull 
sharks which once again are 

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their targets during this call 
and they are releasing 

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individuals that are under 2.1 
meters. 

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But that still adds a lot of 
stress to the individual and can

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lead to their death anyway, 
especially if they aren't fully 

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grown and they are just a 
juvenile. 

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Now. 
This feels very we've gone into 

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their home and are now mad at 
them for being there. 

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Coded jaws, coded, whatever you 
want to call it coded. 

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The call didn't help in 2023, 
and they're now in a legal 

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battle to see if they're allowed
to keep up the call at this 

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point. 
But we're here three years later

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targeting the same species after
another bite. 

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So clearly the first one didn't 
work. 

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Why are we killing more sharks? 
It makes no sense to me. 

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I understand we want to be 
protective and we want to help 

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save human lives, but killing 
animals isn't going to do that. 

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Like there, there's certain 
times that that is the best case

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in this one, just grabbing 
random sharks in the water and 

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killing them. 
It's not it's not the move. 

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But anyway, the next one that we
have is that the shark 

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mysteriously found 12 miles 
inland in Australia and this was

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reported by the surfer. 
Over the past few months, Sydney

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has seen an uptick in bull shark
bites due to weather changes. 

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Heavy rains have caused bull 
sharks to hang out in odd 

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places. 
But this shark was found in an 

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extremely odd place, which was 
out of the water on a brick 

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pavement 12 miles inland from 
the water. 

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So clearly, this bull shark 
isn't an epaulette shark that 

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can walk on land. 
But even if it was, epaulette 

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sharks can't walk that far. 
They've got a few yards, maybe a

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few dozen at the most, but they 
aren't travelling miles inland. 

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Officials are looking into what 
could have brought this shark to

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Kellyville, but they're also 
taking time to alert swimmers 

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and beachgoers about the warning
systems in place and to follow 

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posted instructions. 
They do ask that if your beach 

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is closed due to weather, shark 
activity or water conditions, we

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ask that swimmers stay out of 
the water for their own safety. 

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They also noted to avoid any 
murky water, as bull sharks are 

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more likely to bite in unclear 
conditions. 

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This is also how most humans 
work. 

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If things aren't very clear and 
we're confused, we tend to act 

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out. 
All in all, just keep an eye 

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out. 
Don't bring a shark into your 

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backyard and listen to posted 
warnings regarding beach safety.

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So this is what we have for that
episode. 

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