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Have you ever had to make a 
really big change in your life? 

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Like starting a new job or 
ending a relationship? 

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Change and starting over is so 
freaking scary. 

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In this episode, we're going to 
be talking about how to start 

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over and how to manage the 
emotional highs and lows. 

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Today we're going to go through 
three powerful frameworks to 

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absolutely transform your lives 
and more importantly, your 

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mindset. 
The first is William Bridges 

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Transitions, the second is Carol
Dweck's Growth Mindset, and the 

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third is Designing Your Life by 
Bill Burnett and Dave Evans. 

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At age 35 I totally restarted my
career for the second time and I

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broke off my engagement after an
8 year long relationship. 

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If you want the road map for a 
total life reset, you're in the 

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right place. 
I'm Cherie. 

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I'm Jean and we're. 
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fast track your reinvention. 
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we're back. 
So one of the reasons why we 

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want to talk about this topic is
because transitions happen all 

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the time, especially when you're
in your early 20s and 30s, I 

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would say when you're coming out
of school. 

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So much of my identity, both 
professional and personal, was 

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built around my career, for 
better or for worse. 

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And when something big happens 
like a transition, I didn't 

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really have the tools to handle 
it. 

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So I'm so glad we're talking 
about this in this episode. 

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The first framework that we're 
going to be talking about is 

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William Bridges Transition 
Framework. 

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So William Bridges and his book 
Transitions says that change is 

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actually external. 
So that's something like 

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changing jobs while transition 
is actually an internal process.

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So William Bridges actually 
outlines 3 stages. 

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There's ending neutral zone and 
new beginnings. 

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I really love this framework and
especially how it names and like

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titles each of the stages. 
So often people including me 

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will rush to the new beginning 
and not even process what just 

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happened, whether it's a career 
change, whether it's a change in

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relationship or a friendship. 
I think for me, since I'm such 

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like I go go go type a person, 
I'm like, OK, how do I execute 

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and just do the next thing? 
Because honestly that's what 

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keeps me from processing like a 
lot of the like hurtful or bad 

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or sad emotions. 
But so much of it is staying in 

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the neutral zone, reflecting 
before starting in the new 

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beginning. 
What they wanted to do 

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throughout this episode in every
section as we talk about each 

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framework, is actually give kind
of personal anecdotes as like a 

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version of like case studies, 
kind of like how we did in our 

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earlier episodes where for the 
case studies we talked about 

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different companies or brands. 
This time we're going to talk 

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like use ourselves of the case 
studies. 

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So for me, for example, I've 
shared before that at age 35, I 

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ended my engagement after an 8 
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So that obviously was the ending
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And as I moved into the neutral 
zone, I felt like really lost in

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a lot of ways because it wasn't 
just the ending of a 

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relationship. 
It was like the ending of the 

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entire sort of conception of my 
life. 

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And like all of the next steps 
of my life where obviously I was

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going to get married, we were 
going to have kids, we were 

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going to, you know, live happily
ever after together. 

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But only by actually being in 
and like slowly working through 

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the mire of the neutral zone was
I finally able to emerge out to 

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the, the new beginning, which is
like now, like this is my new 

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beginning. 
This is so, so different than 

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anything I've ever done before. 
But I don't think I ever would 

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have been able to arrive here 
had I not gone through the 

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process of like, being sort of 
like feeling stuck in the 

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neutral zone and like trying all
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which we'll talk about in the 
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And just like really being in it
for sort of like quite what felt

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like quite a while. 
It felt like a long time to me 

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because I'm also a really, I 
think, inherently impatient 

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person. 
But I think that's why the 

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neutral zone is so difficult. 
Because sometimes it can feel 

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like when you're in the neutral 
zone, not a lot is happening 

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day-to-day because like, you 
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like journaling, I'm going to 
the gym. 

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Things feel slow. 
But when that compounds over 

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time, when you're like super 
reflective, I'm like, oh, 

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something worked, something 
happened, you know? 

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And OK, not not to forget that I
also right before ending my 

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engagement had just left my job 
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And that was after working at 
Snap for over 7 for seven years 

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and having worked in corporate 
for pretty much my entire 

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professional life. 
So it was like a big, it was 

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like multiple huge transitions 
and changes at the same time. 

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That's really scary. 
Yeah, it was scary, guys. 

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It was scary. 
And then I moved in, Yeah. 

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And we became roommates and we 
started this new venture 

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together. 
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And we also want to give you 
another example of someone you 

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might have heard of, Steve Jobs.
The Steve Jobs story is pretty 

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infamous. 
He was ousted by the board at 

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Apple. 
He basically lost control of his

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company. 
He was kicked out. 

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And that was technically his 
ending, as the Lord goes. 

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He then spent years in the 
creative wilderness where it was

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the neutral zone. 
He was reflecting and figuring 

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out his next moves. 
And then he triumphantly 

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returned to Apple, which was his
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It just underscores how the 
Neutral Zone can be a place for 

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fresh ideas and for setting you 
up for your next starting over 

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point. 
We also wanted to, in this 

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episode, give many exercises so 
that you could actually practice

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the framework IRL. 
So the one for transitions is to

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jot down 1 area of your life 
that you feel like there is an 

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impending ending or is like 
actually ending or has just 

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ended, and then write down how 
you feel about it. 

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And then next, write down one 
possibility that could bloom if 

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you actually fully embrace the 
neutral zone. 

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And we'd love to learn about 
what you guys write if you're 

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open to sharing with us in the 
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After you finish this exercise, 
we'd love to hear from you in 

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the comments about your new 
possibilities. 

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And just a reminder, this 
transition framework can apply 

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to so many things. 
It can apply to career, romance,

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friendship, basically anything. 
So it's a time for reflection. 

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And up next, we'll talk about 
Carol Dweck's growth mindset 

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framework. 
So I'm really excited to talk 

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about this topic. 
I read this book a long time ago

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and Carol Dweck is actually a 
professor at Stanford, so I hold

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this very close to my heart. 
In Carol Dweck's book, she talks

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about two different types of 
mindset, a fixed mindset or a 

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growth mindset. 
And a fixed mindset is basically

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believing within yourself. 
Either I'm good at something or 

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I'm not. 
A growth mindset is that I can 

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learn something and with enough 
effort and perseverance, I can 

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figure it out. 
And I think what's really 

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important to distinguish is that
some people ironically are like,

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oh, like I'm not a growth 
mindset person or I am a growth 

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mindset person. 
That actually goes against the 

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entire concept of growth mindset
because you're not one person or

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another. 
It's just a mindset. 

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So anybody, even if you 
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you can adopt A growth mindset 
going forward. 

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So the growth mindset to adopt A
growth mindset. 

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Yes, exactly. 
But that's just something that I

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want to emphasize because like 
sometimes people are so like, 

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you know, like sort of like been
in their ways for so long. 

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They've been in that fixed 
mindset for such a long time 

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that they almost couldn't 
imagine themselves being a 

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growth mindset person. 
But it's just a mindset shift. 

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It's not inherent to your being,
you know what I mean? 

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People with growth mindset are 
able to push through obstacles, 

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whereas people with a more fixed
mindset, when they're faced with

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obstacles, they're like, oh God,
this is just another reason why 

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you know XYZ can't happen. 
Like it feels like they're very 

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stuck and instead of seeing an 
obstacle as something that you 

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can like go around or figure 
out, it's just an obstacle in 

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their way. 
And so I felt a huge need to 

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develop a growth mindset, 
although I didn't have this 

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terminology for it in college. 
And I especially felt this when 

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I was studying computer science.
And because I was able to, you 

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know, major in computer science,
really tough it out and seek all

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the resources and study and work
my ass off for it. 

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I'm just like, I was able to do 
that. 

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I feel like I'm able to do 
anything now. 

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And it's like given me a growth 
mindset that like I can do hard 

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things. 
And it actually kind of even 

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more than that. 
I'm like, I did, that was like 

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the hardest thing of my life 
doing like, you know, all 

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nighters and studying it like it
was a grueling major for me. 

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And I'm so happy I did it and I 
enjoyed it along the way. 

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But I'm like, if I can do that, 
I can basically do anything. 

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Yeah. 
And that is just like where my 

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growth mindset is like rooted so
deeply in my body that I'm like,

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any challenge, I can figure it 
out. 

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Yeah, you know, I so to that I 
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mindset is actually one of my 
like self identified most 

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defining factors actually, 
because I feel like if I hadn't 

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had a growth mindset, I never 
would have taken the path that I

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did. 
Because even honestly, my first 

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job out of school working at 
Goldman, I took that job like 

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not even really knowing how to 
use Excel. 

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I swear to God, I, I swear I did
not know how to use Excel except

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for like we use it a few times 
in these statistics class, like 

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statistics and econometrics 
classes that I had to take. 

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But that's different like. 
Then it's different than 

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creating like a DCF model or 
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It's actually, it's different 
from actually using Excel in 

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like a workplace setting where 
you have to do it as fast as you

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can and as accurately as you 
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So like I sort of like threw 
myself into the deep end and 

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like threw myself to the wolves 
in a way. 

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And I was able to eventually 
like learn, like to be clear, I 

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was never became like an Excel 
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I was never even in the top 50% 
of people who are like good at 

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using Excel at work, especially 
as an analyst. 

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But I was able to still be a 
very good top performing 

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analyst. 
And because I was able to like 

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do that, that's how I even had 
the courage to be like, hey, 

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yeah, like I'll be a product 
manager. 

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Like there are a lot like a lot 
of things I don't know about 

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product manager. 
Well, I don't know anything 

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about product management 
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But I feel like I have the 
inherent skill to be able to 

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learn things quickly and work 
hard and try my best and like 

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all these, these other things so
that like I will learn how to be

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an excellent product manager, 
just like I learned how to be an

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excellent financial analysts at 
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And then like same thing for 
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even what we're doing now. 
Like I've never been in front of

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the camera before. 
I've never like talked about my 

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personal life and my experiences
or like shared my learnings with

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people before. 
But I'm like, yeah, I can do it.

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I don't know. 
I don't know. 

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Hope I'm doing a good job. 
Up to you. 

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Nice comments for Gene. 
We read every single one of 

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them. 
If you like Gene being on 

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camera, she's vulnerable. 
She's taking a lot of courage to

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be here. 
We love that. 

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Yeah. 
I'm still new to those guys, but

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but I was just like, sure, I'll 
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Like I'll just throw myself into
it and I think it'll be fun and 

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I'll be developing a new, a new 
skill and like a new side of 

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Maine. 
And it's been really fun and I'm

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it's very rewarding. 
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entire career, can be sort of 
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had a growth mindset that any of
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now with Sisters Matcha, our 
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like last July, August, Like we 
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products for our professional 
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have AC APG company, a consumer 
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consumable, which is so 
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If you if what we're saying kind
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like, you like challenges and 
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growth mindset is a great thing 
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continuously learn more and also
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Like in this last year, we're 
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I'm having the time of my life. 
It is so fun. 

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And it's so scary too. 
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it's just like, holy crap, I'm 
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before. 
I don't know if I'm doing it 

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right. 
Yeah, I don't know if I'm doing 

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like. 
A good job. 

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We don't know anyone in the 
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Like we're kind of just like 
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Like you know how people are 
saying you're like building the 

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airplane and flying it as you 
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I like it. 
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knowing, I'm also trying my 
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it and love it so much that 
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give 120% with no regrets, you 
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Because we're working for 
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I wouldn't give 120% if I were 
working for the man, but you 

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know what I mean? 
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mindset, it's just like 
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care about. 
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growth mindset too. 
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when I am looking for a partner 
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romantically, I. 
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money, power and love. 
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I will only be with a person if 
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they, because a growth mindset 
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That's kind of what we're 
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important for relationships 
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this is who like if we fight or 
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is who I am, blah, blah, blah. 
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Like I'm not trying to change 
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grow together. 
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pair, we need to be able to move
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learning together. 
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where you're, I don't know, like
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someone. 
I feel like it's almost kind of 

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like a person who is a default 
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default yes. 
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Right. 
Like or even. 

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Just like a default, maybe like,
you know what I mean? 

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Just like not a hard no, yeah, 
which is just more fun to live 

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that way. 
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Should I tell a personal story? 
Oh my God, I'm scared. 

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I'm like terrified. 
I don't know what's going to 

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come out of your mouth. 
OK, if it's not good we can cut 

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it but no this is just random. 
I recently was supposed to go to

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this Broadway rave with my 
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As one does. 
With Broadway and we like found 

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this Broadway rave. 
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hilarious. 
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supposed to come. 
She couldn't come at the last 

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minute. 
So I was going to go from a date

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to this Broadway rave. 
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ticket, I just asked my date. 
I was like, hey, like, do you 

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want to come to this Broadway 
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like, not a Broadway person, not
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And then he went, and he had 
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I thought it was gross mindset. 
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Maybe it's a combination? 
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Wow my long accent is coming out
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embarrassed. 
It's a combination and I'm glad 

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you told that story 'cause that 
was a safe story. 

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I didn't know what I really. 
Didn't know. 

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What stories did you think I was
gonna tell? 

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We won't go there, should we? 
Keep it in. 

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Should we keep this? 
In that's for subscribers only. 

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Just kidding, we don't have a 
subscription service. 

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But anyway. 
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I I wanted to say on the love 
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is that I have two friends who 
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telling me more about their 
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And a mantra that like they 
share is they ask each other 

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after a long day, they both 
work, they ask each other like, 

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how can I love you better? 
Whoa, yes, yes. 

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Who they? 
Me later. 

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Beep and beep. 
And they're like, you know, 

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happily married, recently 
married, but like that's 

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something that's been a fixture 
of their relationship is that 

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they ask each other that. 
And I love the story or just 

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even that mantra because like I 
aspire to have a relationship 

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like that where it's so rooted 
in growth and like, how can I be

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better? 
Not that I'm doing anything 

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wrong, but I just want to like 
continually grow and be better 

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and like, love you better. 
I think that's a very beautiful 

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thing. 
It's so intentional it. 

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Is I want that? 
I want that for me. 

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She's, yeah. 
She wants the book. 

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She wants the, you know, you 
know, Yeah. 

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Yeah. 
Like how? 

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Can I love you better every day?
How can I love you better every 

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day? 
Don't answer that. 

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OK. 
And before we move on to the 

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next framework, just a really 
quick mini exercise for you guys

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to do is 1, identify a limiting 
belief that you have and then 

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two, rewrite it with a growth 
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So an example of this, we talked
about it in one of our previous 

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episodes, but I learned this at 
Stanford and it's basically 

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manifestation but better. 
One of our, one of my 

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professors, Joel Peterson, he 
has these mantras and they were 

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based off of his previous 
limiting beliefs. 

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So for example, one of his 
limiting beliefs is that he 

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thought he was a very emotional 
person, like he let his emotions

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get the best of him sometimes. 
So he turned that around and 

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instead of having his emotions 
control him, his new mantra or 

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what he, you know, how he talks 
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my emotions. 
So that's just one very quick 

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example of a limiting belief 
that you might have and one way 

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to turn it on its head. 
Now try the exercise on your 

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own. 
And let us know in the comments 

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what you write down. 
I feel like a. 

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Teacher the last framework we're
going to talk about today is a 

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concept popularized by Stanford 
called design thinking. 

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This framework, called Designing
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time by allowing you to quickly 
test your ideas. 

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They have a book and also a 
class at Stanford where they 

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teach this to students. 
I didn't get the chance to take 

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the class at Stanford, but many 
of my friends did, and the four 

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parts of this framework are as 
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The first is curiosity, the 
second is prototyping 

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experiences, the third is 
reframing problems, and the 4th 

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is radical collaboration. 
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action and taking small 
experiments over, like endless 

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thought exercises and pondering.
So one way I applied this 

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framework in my own life is that
after I finally left Snap after 

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working there for seven years, I
wanted to try out a bunch of 

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different things that basically 
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Like I was kind of trying to 
figure out what I want to do 

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next before I decided to start 
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Worldwide. 
And one thing that I have always

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loved is fashion. 
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point in my life where I could 
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new career before, aside from 
the job that I actually ended up

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doing, I looked at many 
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fashion. 
So what I ended up doing is I 

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took this unpaid internship 
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the Albright Fashion Library and
in LA where I actually worked as

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a stylist. 
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fun and like fulfilling things 
I've ever done. 

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And it's not like it was like 
particularly glamorous. 

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Like I feel like, you know, 20% 
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rearrange the like massive shoe 
closet. 

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So like, it's not like I was, 
you know, like doing like a 

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super high-powered like job at, 
you know, a Parisian couture 

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house or something like that. 
But it was just so fun to be 

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able to like be in the industry 
and finally test out this 

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hypothesis that I had had for 
like 20 something years of like,

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do I actually want to work in 
the fashion industry or do I 

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just want to be, you know, like 
a participant through sort of 

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like consumption and enjoying 
it. 

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So that was something where, 
yeah, like, I've basically like 

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invented this internship for 
myself where I worked there one 

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day a week for the whole day. 
It shows to me how action 

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oriented you are and kind of to 
tie together this framework with

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the first framework that we 
talked about with transitions. 

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I think it's really important 
that after doing some reflection

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and you know, you're in the 
neutral zone, figuring out what 

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you want to do next, you were 
able to test out this new 

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beginning with an internship. 
It was like a mini test to see 

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if you liked it or not and to 
see, you know, what your next 

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moves would be after you gather 
information from the external 

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world. 
So I think it's so cool that you

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were able to, you know, reflect 
and then figure out your next 

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moves. 
Yeah. 

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And then also like create this 
opportunity for myself. 

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A lot of people in general, I 
think feel very paralyzed. 

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I know I often do if like I'm 
stuck and I'm like, I don't know

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what to do next. 
So that like having this design 

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thinking framework allows you to
break out of the paralysis and 

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be like, let me at least test 
something and try something 

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because I know with the growth 
mindset, I will learn some thing

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no matter if it goes well or 
not. 

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I might fail and that's fine, 
but that means I'm learning. 

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Yeah, I love how you tie those 
mindsets together. 

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That's very nice. 
Thank you. 

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Well done. 
Brava. 

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Okay, so now it's time for the 
mini exercise. 

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So the mini exercise for this is
to think about an area that you 

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want to pivot. 
And then next brainstorm 2 

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experiments you can do. 
They can be like really, really 

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tiny experiments. 
They don't have to be massive, 

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but think about two experiments 
that you can do to actually test

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out the pivot. 
And if you want, you can share 

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your pivot or you can share your
experiment in the comments so 

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that you can have some social 
accountability. 

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We'll be reading them, Yeah, and
if you leave a comment about it,

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I we will read them and respond 
to them. 

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Oh yeah. 
So should we wrap up, Cherie? 

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Yes, we should. 
To wrap up, we talked about 3 

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frameworks today. 
One, the William Bridges 

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Transition Framework, 2, Carol 
Dweck's Growth Mindset framework

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and three, Bill Burnett and Dave
Evans Design Your Life 

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Framework. 
So you can think about these 

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individually or you can try and 
combine them, but we hope this 

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was really helpful for you guys.
Yeah, and if you found this 

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helpful, help us reach 1,000,000
by sharing this with your 

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friends. 
And also obviously, like, 

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