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This is everything we learned at
Harvard Business School in 30 

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minutes. 
I'm Cherie, I'm Jean, and we're 

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the Tiger sisters. 
Welcome to Season 4 of the Tiger

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Sisters Podcast. 
Yeah, so if you're new to this 

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channel, Gina's my older sister.
She went to Harvard Business 

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School. 
She's my role model best friend.

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We have this podcast together. 
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background of who she is. 
She's an absolute badass, badass

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and biatch. 
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Goldman Sachs working in 
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to working in tech as a product 
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company, and most recently at 
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augmented reality monetization. 
And she went to Harvard Business

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School. 
She graduated in 2017. 

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She has over 50 patents in AI, 
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because she won't brag about 
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her. 
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about Harvard Business School, 
everything she learned there. 

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I went to Stanford's Business 
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few months ago. 
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and we want to give you a crash 
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We're going to race through all 
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We're going to go through 4 main
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product development and finance.
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What we're going to do 
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actually going to bring in 
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sections so that we can talk 
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really understand how these 
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would in Business School. 
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so I'm really glad we're going 
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Thank you for your support. 
So let's get started with 

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strategy. 
So strategy is where Harvard 

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Business School really, I think,
differentiates themselves, or at

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least they strive to 
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And where where they shine. 
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just a buzzword, it's a road map
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win in a complex marketplace 
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Without a clear strategy, even 
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companies will not be able to 
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A. 
Classic HBS tool is Michael 

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Porter's Five Forces, which 
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strategy. 
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actually invented at HBS, so we 
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Porter's five forces are as 
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Threat of new entrants, 
bargaining power of suppliers, 

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bargaining power of buyers, 
threat of substitutes, and 

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rivalry among existing 
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So let's say we are going to use
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Everyone knows Starbucks, and 
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classic Business School company 
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So let's start with Starbucks 
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So the way to think about the 
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from Starbucks perspective, one 
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successful is because it's 
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coffee company and go against 
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Starbucks already is a pretty 
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lot of money on brand awareness,
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they have a lot of money to 
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estate so they can have the best
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You might be able to open up a 
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against Starbucks For these 
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actually pretty low, yes. 
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power of suppliers. 
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pretty easy one because the 
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and obvious that they have 
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suppliers. 
They buy in a huge bulk volumes.

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So because of that, they can 
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prices. 
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Walmart as a classic example 
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power and buyers. 
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OK, Sheree, what about the 
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So the way to think about this 
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perspective. 
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brands out there of coffee 
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Dunkin' Donuts, you go to Phil's
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the customers. 
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Customers want to buy Starbucks.
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lot in this area through their 
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So creating the app where you 
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Starbucks account ahead of time 
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because they literally have a 
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With you, Yeah. 
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Starbucks is that it was one of 
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third space. 
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other third spaces. 
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for being like that place away 
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out. 
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with people. 
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it's still like, let's meet up 
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Yeah, it's ingrained after 
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routine and your go to 3rd place
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for us, since high school or 
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School. 
Not my caramel, My iced caramel 

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macchiato. 
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tree. 
It was so the ultimate sweet 

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treat. 
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calories. 
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and and the effects of caffeine 
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year old in middle school. 
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Drinking that, but we digress 
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Back to the lesson. 
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OK, so the. 4th force to talk 
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substitutes. 
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So if you think about coffee as 
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substitutes. 
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expanding into adjacent 
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diversify their holdings and 
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substitutes. 
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little pods, right? 
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beans you can buy, they make 
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locations only. 
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of sort of mitigating the the 
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substitutes. 
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substitutes is moderate. 
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So I mean, there's a bunch of 
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coffee space, but Starbucks 
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consistently delivering on the 
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setting itself apart with its 
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There was an HBR piece recently 
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and beyond on customer service. 
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recent years, there have been 
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Starbucks has had recently, 
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three years, but they've like 
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and tried to mitigate any of the
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CEO slash president has gotten 
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service at the forefront. 
A Starbucks employee called the 

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police on these two men who were
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in Starbucks. 
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though they didn't do anything 
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we're just like, how do we make 
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Porter's Five Forces. 
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about a company, evaluating a 
company, you want to ask 

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yourself these questions and go 
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And then that way you can 
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where they sit amongst all of 
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Another key HPS principle is 
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compete. 
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Porter's generic strategy is 
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pursue one of two approaches, 
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differentiation. 
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the low cost producer. 
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space is Walmart. 
They are all about getting the 

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lowest price possible for you 
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then also scaling back on other 
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always get you the lowest price.
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because that plays into like 
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Walmart for the cheapest. 
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savings, right? 
That's their core value. 

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Yeah, exactly. 
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offering something that is 
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might be at a premium. 
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leadership and differentiation, 
which one do you think Starbucks

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falls into answer in 321 
Differentiation, differentiation

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situation. 
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priced coffee and also because 
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before, like their focus on 3rd 
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service, they try to 
differentiate by giving you a 

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better experience than just, you
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experience. 
Yeah, the example that comes to 

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mind for me is the writing the 
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That is one extra step in there.
Yeah, it's like an extra step in

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their operations that honestly 
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generic experience, but it's 
caused so many it it means a lot

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to people, I think, to feel 
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And also it causes some funny 
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Yeah, it's actually paid off in 
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They've stopped like writing. 
I don't know if you've been to a

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Starbucks recently, but now 
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it out like the names. 
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it. 
Maybe in my? 

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Online orders, they just print 
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I saw this online. 
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the employees of Starbucks were 
asked to like, write more 

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personalized messages on the 
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Exactly. 
I saw someone, someone I I know 

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wrote like I love you so mucha 
someone or someone received a 

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cup that said I love you so 
mucha and she actually posted it

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on her Instagram. 
She's like oh this totally made 

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my day. 
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I mean, that's just one example 
of differentiation, a high, high

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touch. 
So the one thing you can take 

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away from this lesson is that 
you can't be the cheapest, the 

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best and the highest quality all
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Just like Starbucks, they chose 
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expensive. 
And one example that comes to 

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mind for us is Sisters Matcha, 
right? 

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Sisters Matcha, which is our 
company is a ultra premium 

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matcha brand and it's ultra 
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So even if we wanted to offer it
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because of our supplier cost and
the fact that the matcha that we

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provide is the cultivars called 
Akumadori, which only makes up 

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2% of all of the matcha produced
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So by definition, it is very 
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It's very hard to cultivate. 
It has to be hand picked. 

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Like all of these different 
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that it's a premium product. 
So for us, we went the way of 

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differentiation as opposed to 
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Yeah. 
Which makes sense for like the 

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stuff like who we are as well. 
Yeah, we enjoy nicer stuff. 

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And we also like matcha, like 
when we're drinking ceremonial 

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grade first harvest matcha. 
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stuff that you're putting into 
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huge behemoth, but these are 
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kind of a start. 
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And also just like breaking into
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asking these questions of 
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brand and where do we want to 
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intentional decisions so that, 
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So that concludes our mini 
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One of the first big concepts 
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segmenting, targeting, and 
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choosing the right customer 
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a message for that customer 
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making sure it sticks. 
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pretty straightforward and 
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market force. 
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Love that. 
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going to use in our discussion 
and our mini case study is Warby

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Parker, which is one of the most
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direct to consumer D to C world.
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is a really good example of a 
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like 80 plus almost 90% of the 
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eyewear market glasses and they 
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like look it up like they own 
like Ray Bans they own like all 

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the big names. 
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one company. 
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glasses, optical glasses in the 
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dollars if you wanted anything 
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came in, they like completely 
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to C and mostly like started 
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So let's talk about how they 

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So the first part is segmenting.
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at the market and they said, OK,
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different types of buyers. 
First for glasses, right? 

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really fancy glasses. 
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because they just want brand 
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They want Prada, Versace, I want
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millennials, people who wanted 
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still looked good, but not 
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have to be the specific brand 
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Right, so the T in STP is 
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which segment to actually 
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You can't do all of them really 
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In fact, if you try that, you're
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bad job. 
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choosing the third segment, 
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millennials who want something 
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expensive. 
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they chose their segment, they 
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around this target segment. 
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target segment care about and 
how can they cater to their 

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needs? 
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this target segment is online 
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online, having things shipped to
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millennials are willing to opt 
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Millennials are more conscious 
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leaving in this world. 
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program knowing this where they 
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of glasses, get a pair of 
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this segment really. 
Cares about great description. 

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essentially Warby Parker asking 
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How do we want customers to see 
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So the answer to this was one, 
they wanted people to see their 

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brand as modern, chic, and 
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customers to see their brand as 
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the website you could pick which
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they would mail it to your house
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glasses from there. 
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very heavily on this sort of 
sustainability and helping other

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people in the world narrative, 
so that they really tied it that

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into pretty much all of their 
branding and all of their 

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marketing. 
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think about that fell into this 
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really popular anymore, but it's
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was Tom's. 
If you remember those shoes like

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15 year, 1015 years ago, they 
were all the rage when they 

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first started out. 
Everyone wanted a pair of Tom's,

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which is a pair of flats, a pair
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campaign that seared into my 

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mind is that you give a pair of,
you buy a pair of shoes. 

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They give a pair of shoes to a 
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country. 
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interesting that like 10-15 
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when Warby Parker also started 
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focus on these companies to have
a sustainability bend. 

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Yeah, and it was also a very 
novel concept that. 

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Doing good in the world? 
Sort of that your company would 

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be have that as part of his 
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True. 
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elicited a lot of people who 
became brand loyalists for that 

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reason, because they wanted to 
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represents my morals, represents
how I move in this world. 

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Yeah, conscious consumerism, 
actually. 

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That's so interesting. 
That was new at the time. 

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I think also coming out of that 

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where companies were like 
Rothys, another shoe company 

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that, you know, is like 
Conscious Eco, they don't have 

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like a give and get program, but
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water bottle shoes, 
sustainability, sustainability, 

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Blue Land sustainability band. 
So it's really interesting. 

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I'm sure there's another case 
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trickle effects of these giant 
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themselves and how people follow
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Yeah, maybe it's kind of more, 
it's almost like taken for 

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granted now that that's sort of 
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lot of companies, yeah. 
So now Warby Parker is valued at

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more than a billion dollars. 
They have so many cute little 

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boutiques in like basically 
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doing super well. 
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this discussion from STP is that
you should choose a target 

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segment and the hyper focused on
the population in the community 

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that you want to serve. 
Because if you're trying to 

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serve everyone, you're really 
serving no one and you're not 

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going to be doing a good job. 
You really need to be focused on

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your target segment. 
So if you're launching your own 

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brand, you want to ask who 
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And then what you do is you 
actually think about these 

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people and then you build your 
entire brand and your strategy 

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around their hopes, their 
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their values. 
The. 

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Best products that I've ever 
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hyper focused on their customers
and understanding them super 

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deeply. 
All right, that concludes the 

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section we're moving on. 
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So the next section we're going 
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innovation. 
So for product development and 

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innovation, between the two of 
us, we've worked on this for 

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almost 20 years, crazy put 
together. 

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So we could probably talk about 
this for 1000 hours. 

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So we'll just go really, really 
quickly into the main take away.

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The number one thing to know 
about product development that 

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we learned at HBS is that you 
can't just guess at what a 

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person's problem is. 
You have to really very 

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specifically identify the 
customer's problem and work to 

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solve specifically that. 
And the example we're going to 

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use is Netflix. 
There's actually a lot of 

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Business School cases written 
about Netflix, yeah. 

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Actually, I met Reed Hastings 
because he came to Stanford GSB 

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last year when I was a student 
and he gave a speech. 

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Oh, nice, yeah. 
And I read his book and I've 

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done like a book report on on 
him so. 

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A book report. 
I literally did a book report. 

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How old were you? 
This was last. 

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Year when I was a student at 
Stanford. 

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So you're obsessed with him 
kind. 

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Of so I'm really excited to talk
about. 

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This. 
Oh good. 

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The main take away here, and 
it's kind of related to our 

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previous section, but it's 
getting to know your audience 

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and your customers super deeply.
And we're just going to give you

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2 specific tactics on how to do 
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And the first is user feedback 
and iteration. 

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One way to do this is AB 
testing. 

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Famously, Netflix ran a bunch of
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two different types of products 
with their customers to see 

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which ones they liked better. 
All of this is in service of 

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getting to know their customers 
and what their customers prefer.

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Yeah, Netflix is infamously 
known for always AB testing 

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every single little thing. 
So one example that you may or 

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may not notice is if you compare
your Netflix account with your 

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friend's Netflix account and you
look at the same title that's 

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being presented to you, you may 
have a different photo for for 

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the title. 
You may have a different 

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thumbnail. 
So for example, one thing I 

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noticed is that I think Netflix 
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handsome Asian men because it 
doesn't though, because first 

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shows that for example, if 
there's like a movie with Henry 

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Golding in it, they'll always 
show Henry Golding as the 

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thumbnail versus for someone 
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main character who's actually 
the main character when Henry 

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Golding is more like a secondary
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Want to see Henry Golding in 
every thumbnail? 

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So they know that I'm more 
likely to click into this the 

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movie when they're showing me 
Henry Golding versus the actual 

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main character and not him. 
This is. 

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My cue to promote our dating 
episode podcast. 

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So if you guys are new to our 
podcast here at Tiger Sisters, 

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we also talk about lots of other
things outside of Henry Golding 

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Miss Festival. 
So check out our dating 

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podcasts. 
So the main take away from this 

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section is to really understand 
the problem that you're trying 

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to solve. 
Iterate like crazy and don't be 

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afraid to pivot when you get new
data and information. 

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And test, test, test, test, 
test. 

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Test and our last and final 
section in this episode is on 

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finance. 
Here are some terms that you 

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should know and also like how to
not feel dumb in these 

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conversations. 
Yeah. 

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And the HBS approach to finance 
that they would always tell us 

462
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over and over is not that every 
single student at HBS is 

463
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supposed to graduate as some 
sort of financial genius and be 

464
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able to actually run DCF models 
on your own all the time. 

465
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It's actually more so that you 
want to graduate with the 

466
00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:17,200
ability to run your own company 
or be a CEO somewhere and have 

467
00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:20,720
conversations with the CFO and 
with the board where they talk 

468
00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:23,160
about finance and you understand
everything that they're saying. 

469
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So that's really the goal. 
I actually like that approach 

470
00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:29,560
because I don't personally enjoy
being in the weeds of finance 

471
00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:32,600
and actually putting together 
all the models myself, but I 

472
00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:35,520
love to talk with my 
counterparts in the Financial 

473
00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:39,280
Group about how things are going
and like adjusting the 

474
00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:41,760
projections and getting more 
money. 

475
00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:45,600
I mean, but also it goes to say 
like if you are ACEO or a leader

476
00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:48,440
of a company, like it's not your
job to be the expert. 

477
00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:51,920
Like that's the CFO, that's like
your right hand man or woman who

478
00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:55,600
is supposed to better understand
it as the expert and like help 

479
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you make decisions with that 
information. 

480
00:23:57,480 --> 00:23:58,720
Right. 
But you need to understand what 

481
00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:00,600
they're presenting to you so 
that you can make those 

482
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decisions with confidence and 
then also represent all those 

483
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decisions to the board. 
True Debt. 

484
00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:08,280
So we're going to go really 
quickly through 5 concepts. 

485
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The first one is revenue versus 
profit. 

486
00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:13,160
Shree, can you start us off with
revenue versus profit? 

487
00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:16,320
OK, guys, this is the first 
concept you really need to know.

488
00:24:16,440 --> 00:24:18,360
You've heard of revenue, you've 
heard of profit. 

489
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How are they different? 
And we're going to use the 

490
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example of Netflix. 
Revenue is how much money is 

491
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coming through the door. 
And with Netflix, it's basically

492
00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:30,320
like their subscription fees. 
Profit is what's left after all 

493
00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:32,640
the bills are paid. 
So Netflix is a tech company. 

494
00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:35,280
They probably have a lot of 
servers, they have employees. 

495
00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:37,280
They need to pay all those 
costs. 

496
00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:40,200
Profit is after all those costs 
are covered. 

497
00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:43,920
This is really important because
you can have billions of dollars

498
00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:45,920
of revenue. 
Like you can bring in a lot of 

499
00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:49,720
cash, but if you have really 
high costs, you might still not 

500
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be a profitable company. 
The next concept we're going to 

501
00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:55,080
talk about is cash flow. 
Gene, can you explain this? 

502
00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:57,720
Sure. 
So cash flow is essentially the 

503
00:24:57,720 --> 00:24:59,880
closest item to I think your 
bank account. 

504
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:03,040
So if you think about Netflix, 
what they do is they invest 

505
00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:06,080
billions of dollars upfront to 
actually produce the shows that 

506
00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:09,680
they produce in house. 
So those shows are actually 

507
00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:13,720
marked as a asset. 
So you can, it can seem like you

508
00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:17,120
actually have that money on hand
in terms of your balance sheet, 

509
00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:19,680
but you don't actually have the 
cash on hand. 

510
00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:21,920
So that's why it's really 
important to differentiate 

511
00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:24,400
between cash flow and revenue 
versus profit. 

512
00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:26,440
Yeah. 
And something they say in 

513
00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:28,680
Business School when they're 
like evaluating businesses, some

514
00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:31,920
businesses might be cash poor. 
They might just not have a lot 

515
00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:33,120
of cash on them. 
Yeah. 

516
00:25:33,120 --> 00:25:36,400
And then some businesses are 
seem very, very boring, but they

517
00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:40,200
actually throw off cash in a 
very recurring manner. 

518
00:25:40,360 --> 00:25:43,520
And then the third concept to 
talk about is unit economics. 

519
00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:47,200
This is a really important term 
to know and to understand 

520
00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:49,280
because we'll get whenever 
you're evaluating a company, 

521
00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:52,240
like it will always inevitably 
come up, people will ask about 

522
00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:55,200
the unit economics. 
So the unit economics actually 

523
00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:58,040
just refers to the cost per 
unit. 

524
00:25:58,040 --> 00:26:01,400
And in this case of Netflix, 
it's the cost per subscriber. 

525
00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:04,920
For Netflix, it's like the 
margin that you get per 

526
00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:07,240
subscriber. 
So for example, each 

527
00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:11,440
subscription cost $10, you get 
that money in. 

528
00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:15,120
But then for Netflix, they have 
to like, create movies and TV 

529
00:26:15,120 --> 00:26:18,240
shows and if they're able to 
like figure out each subscriber 

530
00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:21,000
actually cost them $12.00, then 
they're like losing money. 

531
00:26:21,120 --> 00:26:24,200
Yeah, it makes sense. 
I think also in terms of 

532
00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:27,920
marketing, a lot of times people
look at the cost for marketing 

533
00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:30,360
versus your lifetime value of 
the subscriber. 

534
00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:33,560
So you need to make sure that 
the amount you're spending to 

535
00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:38,040
get each incremental subscriber 
or for each unit economics makes

536
00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:40,040
sense in terms of how much you 
think that they're worth. 

537
00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:43,640
So that's actually a lot of 
times companies such as Netflix,

538
00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:46,720
I know for sure, actually 
Netflix spends a ton of time 

539
00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:50,320
doing this analysis with their 
their hordes of data scientists.

540
00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:52,280
Yeah. 
And I guess for us, for Sisters 

541
00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:55,760
Matcha, for our Matcha brand, 
something we think about is unit

542
00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:58,240
economics. 
So basically for our brand, the 

543
00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:01,600
example is like breaking it down
per customer if they're 

544
00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:04,360
ostensibly if they're a first 
time customer, they're buying 

545
00:27:04,360 --> 00:27:06,960
one. 
How much does it cost for us to 

546
00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:10,840
you know make the can per can? 
What is it? 

547
00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:13,760
If we're shipping all these 
cans, just bring it down to the 

548
00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:16,240
most basic unit of just one can.
Well, per. 

549
00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:20,400
Can per can exactly, yeah. 
So the 4th finance term you 

550
00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:23,320
should know is forecast and. 
Runway. 

551
00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:24,600
Yeah. 
So this one's pretty very 

552
00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:26,040
simple. 
Runway is basically how much 

553
00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:29,000
money do you have left if you 
continue to spend at your 

554
00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:31,240
existing burn rate. 
So if you're spending for 

555
00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:34,560
example, $100,000 per year, how 
much money do you have? 

556
00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:37,240
If you only have $200,000 a 
year, your runway is 2 years. 

557
00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:39,200
After that you will run out of 
money. 

558
00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:42,200
So as ACEO, you have to always 
be looking out for your run rate

559
00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:43,800
to make sure that you can stay 
afloat. 

560
00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:46,920
And the last group of finance 
terms you need to know are 

561
00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:49,880
valuation metrics. 
These are terms that you've 

562
00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:52,440
probably heard about or read 
about somewhere, maybe the Wall 

563
00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:56,320
Street Journal, for example, 
price to earnings ratio or EV to

564
00:27:56,320 --> 00:27:57,800
EBITDA. 
That's enterprise value to 

565
00:27:57,880 --> 00:27:59,520
EBITDA. 
These are all things that 

566
00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:03,400
essentially are projecting what 
the worth or value of your 

567
00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:05,360
company is. 
Don't be afraid of these 

568
00:28:05,360 --> 00:28:08,320
acronyms because it's just a way
for investors to express the 

569
00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:11,560
value of your company. 
And the actual number itself 

570
00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:14,960
doesn't really mean anything 
unless you look at it within the

571
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:17,320
context of what your category 
is. 

572
00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:21,440
So if you look at a company and 
you say, oh, they have a price 

573
00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:25,960
to earnings of 20, that can mean
that they're doing amazingly or 

574
00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:28,920
can actually mean that they're 
really below the bar depending 

575
00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:31,800
on what category they're in. 
So it's like tech versus, you 

576
00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:34,920
know, industrials, for example. 
So we can talk about this for 

577
00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:37,000
way, way, way more, but we're 
not going to. 

578
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:38,160
We're just going to leave it at 
that. 

579
00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:40,960
And let us know if you have any 
questions in the comments and if

580
00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:42,520
you want us to do a longer 
episode on this. 

581
00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:46,240
So that wraps up the HBS hard 
skills you need to know. 

582
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:49,120
There's so much more we can talk
about the soft skills on 

583
00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:53,120
leadership and networking, which
is honestly what HBS and 

584
00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:56,320
Business School is known for. 
Thank you guys so much for 

585
00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:58,920
tuning into this episode. 
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586
00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:01,320
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587
00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:04,040
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594
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596
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