1 00:00:00,560 --> 00:00:04,320 In this episode, we're doing AQ and a answering all of the 2 00:00:04,320 --> 00:00:07,760 mailbag and questions that you guys have sent in, especially as 3 00:00:07,760 --> 00:00:12,080 they pertain to friendships and also career from our previous 4 00:00:12,080 --> 00:00:14,080 episodes. So we're so excited to dig in 5 00:00:14,080 --> 00:00:15,240 here. Let's go. 6 00:00:28,280 --> 00:00:32,800 Hi, I'm Jean and I'm Cherie, and we're the Tiger Sisters. 7 00:00:33,200 --> 00:00:36,920 Welcome to our season finale. Season finale. 8 00:00:37,280 --> 00:00:40,480 Season 2 finale. Can't believe we're here. 9 00:00:40,480 --> 00:00:42,880 I know. It's gone by so quickly. 10 00:00:42,880 --> 00:00:45,080 Wow. Yeah, First we're gonna start 11 00:00:45,080 --> 00:00:48,200 off with the age-old segment of roses and thorns. 12 00:00:48,920 --> 00:00:51,240 Gene, what is your rose and what is your thorn? 13 00:00:51,360 --> 00:00:57,240 OK, so my rose is that I have gotten into like a good exercise 14 00:00:57,240 --> 00:00:59,880 routine and I'm very proud of myself. 15 00:00:59,880 --> 00:01:03,360 This past week, seven out of seven days, I have like moved my 16 00:01:03,360 --> 00:01:05,360 body. Either I've gone to the gym and 17 00:01:05,360 --> 00:01:09,320 done a gym class or I played pickleball or I had my tennis 18 00:01:09,320 --> 00:01:14,960 lesson or I went to the gym and literally just walked at 3.0 for 19 00:01:14,960 --> 00:01:17,680 like almost an hour and like talk to one of my best friends 20 00:01:17,680 --> 00:01:19,640 on the phone. So that was like recovery day 21 00:01:19,640 --> 00:01:23,160 yesterday. And this is just like, it's been 22 00:01:23,160 --> 00:01:27,640 like a goal for so long to just do a consistent like daily 23 00:01:27,640 --> 00:01:29,800 movement practice. I can't believe I just said 24 00:01:29,800 --> 00:01:31,720 that, but I did. Who is she? 25 00:01:31,720 --> 00:01:33,360 I know who am I? I feel like I'm one of those 26 00:01:33,360 --> 00:01:36,840 like Wellness articles. And now I feel like I'm like 27 00:01:36,840 --> 00:01:41,360 finally in in the mode of it. Yeah. 28 00:01:41,360 --> 00:01:44,080 The funny thing is like starting next week, I have this like 29 00:01:44,080 --> 00:01:46,000 crazy travel schedule. So I'm going to be out of the 30 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:47,720 groove again. But I think that's OK. 31 00:01:47,920 --> 00:01:52,560 Like it's more about like when you can and when it like serves 32 00:01:52,560 --> 00:01:54,240 you to like do it as much as possible. 33 00:01:54,240 --> 00:01:59,080 So I'm really happy about that. And I'm just like feeling just 34 00:01:59,080 --> 00:02:01,080 feeling like really good. I love. 35 00:02:01,080 --> 00:02:04,320 That I think it also shows too, and how you like show up too, 36 00:02:04,560 --> 00:02:07,280 like you feel better, you know? Yeah, like you just feel better 37 00:02:07,280 --> 00:02:11,240 in your body, like, oh, and the other thing I've noticed is, so 38 00:02:11,240 --> 00:02:15,760 I wear this Garmin and even though I still don't sleep that 39 00:02:15,760 --> 00:02:18,840 much, like even if I only sleep six hours, it's still, it says 40 00:02:18,840 --> 00:02:21,920 my body battery is like 90%. Isn't that crazy? 41 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:25,840 I'm like, is this thing broken? But I think it's because I've 42 00:02:25,840 --> 00:02:28,360 been exercising, so I like. You sleep deeper. 43 00:02:28,480 --> 00:02:31,040 Probably, yeah. So it's a thought. 44 00:02:31,200 --> 00:02:33,560 I guess while you're traveling next week, maybe a challenge is 45 00:02:33,560 --> 00:02:36,920 to like try the hotel gym and just walk there too, even though 46 00:02:36,920 --> 00:02:40,520 it's like a different yeah. Or maybe like an activity or 47 00:02:40,520 --> 00:02:42,160 something or like try to like do stuff. 48 00:02:42,200 --> 00:02:45,880 I will be skeet shooting. Is that cardio? 49 00:02:48,240 --> 00:02:49,120 It's a. Balance. 50 00:02:49,240 --> 00:02:51,920 It's a lot of arms, you know. True arm workout toning. 51 00:02:52,520 --> 00:02:57,400 It's all my all of my reformer Pilates is finally gonna come in 52 00:02:57,400 --> 00:03:02,360 handy to hold the rifle. What else? 53 00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:10,200 OK, so the thorn is that I kind of am still like in the process 54 00:03:10,200 --> 00:03:15,120 of adjusting to like what I feel like is like a new social life 55 00:03:15,120 --> 00:03:16,880 sort of. I mean, there's just been so 56 00:03:16,880 --> 00:03:20,400 many changes in my life in the past six months. 57 00:03:20,400 --> 00:03:23,800 And there's just it's like a whole shift in, in paradigm 58 00:03:23,800 --> 00:03:28,160 where obviously like suddenly I'm single. 59 00:03:28,800 --> 00:03:31,320 I mean, I don't know about suddenly, but like sort of like, 60 00:03:31,320 --> 00:03:35,000 yeah, suddenly I'm single for the first time in eight years. 61 00:03:35,360 --> 00:03:39,480 And so like all of these sort of like routines that I'd built up 62 00:03:39,800 --> 00:03:45,680 that I'm just like used to doing and like socializing, like with 63 00:03:45,680 --> 00:03:51,000 a group that is more used to like, you know, is more used to 64 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:53,800 like couples, I guess. And just things are different. 65 00:03:53,800 --> 00:04:00,480 And so it's not bad, but it is an adjustment. 66 00:04:00,760 --> 00:04:06,000 And I'm still kind of, I feel like working my way through that 67 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:10,920 and like sort of, yeah, figuring it out. 68 00:04:11,240 --> 00:04:14,640 And it actually, it has been a good thing that we've been 69 00:04:14,800 --> 00:04:20,079 working on sisters together because we've just like roan 70 00:04:20,079 --> 00:04:21,760 ourselves, like head first into it. 71 00:04:21,760 --> 00:04:24,560 And like, honestly, like we work so much. 72 00:04:24,600 --> 00:04:30,040 We work every single weekend and like every single day, like and 73 00:04:30,040 --> 00:04:31,800 night. Yeah, like we work. 74 00:04:31,800 --> 00:04:35,280 And the fact that like, we're, you know, at this time and place 75 00:04:35,280 --> 00:04:37,400 in our lives where we can actually, like, live together 76 00:04:37,400 --> 00:04:38,600 and work together at the same time. 77 00:04:38,600 --> 00:04:41,880 Like it's like really intense. But in some ways it's also, it's 78 00:04:41,880 --> 00:04:45,120 good because I'm so passionate about what we're doing that I've 79 00:04:45,120 --> 00:04:51,280 like thrown myself into it. And I like, I like, want to work 80 00:04:51,280 --> 00:04:54,280 like I want to spend my time, like building up all these 81 00:04:54,280 --> 00:04:59,200 things that we're doing. And I like, am so sure about our 82 00:04:59,200 --> 00:05:01,040 like long term vision and our goals. 83 00:05:01,040 --> 00:05:03,960 And I want to like, I want us to get there as soon as possible. 84 00:05:03,960 --> 00:05:10,760 So I don't know, I guess it's I am grateful that we have this 85 00:05:10,760 --> 00:05:12,920 thing that we're working on together and I have this like 86 00:05:13,240 --> 00:05:16,480 amazing outlet. But at the same time I'm like, 87 00:05:17,320 --> 00:05:24,760 maybe I should at some point like rebalance or like bring in 88 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:28,120 more, bring socialization like back in. 89 00:05:28,720 --> 00:05:30,440 But it's OK. I think seasons, there's 90 00:05:30,440 --> 00:05:31,600 different seasons for different things. 91 00:05:31,600 --> 00:05:33,280 Like there have been other times where I've been like super 92 00:05:33,280 --> 00:05:34,160 social. Yeah. 93 00:05:34,160 --> 00:05:37,800 So that was a little long winded, but I had to get it out 94 00:05:37,800 --> 00:05:38,280 there. She's. 95 00:05:38,320 --> 00:05:40,280 Figuring it out, this is Yeah. In case you guys haven't 96 00:05:40,280 --> 00:05:43,400 realized, this is talk therapy turned into a podcast. 97 00:05:43,840 --> 00:05:46,480 Yeah, I mean, I don't know. Tell me if you guys have ever 98 00:05:47,240 --> 00:05:51,760 been in a similar period where you were forced to just be in 99 00:05:51,760 --> 00:05:56,560 like a really different state all of a sudden and like, had to 100 00:05:56,560 --> 00:05:59,600 kind of like work through it. Let me know. 101 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:02,960 OK, What about you? What's your rose and thorn? 102 00:06:04,440 --> 00:06:10,800 So I would say my Rose is that I really enjoy like planning 103 00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:12,920 things to have, things to look forward to. 104 00:06:12,920 --> 00:06:16,480 And so these are things that haven't happened yet, but I 105 00:06:16,480 --> 00:06:19,840 guess like the one thing that we just talked about was like the 106 00:06:19,840 --> 00:06:22,720 trip to Japan happening in May. Like I like having something on 107 00:06:22,720 --> 00:06:26,480 the calendar cuz then it's like it gets me through and like, I 108 00:06:26,480 --> 00:06:28,480 don't know, I just have something nice and fun to look 109 00:06:28,480 --> 00:06:30,240 forward to. It's like a psychological thing 110 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:32,320 for me. That's like a really big trip 111 00:06:32,320 --> 00:06:34,320 coming up right next year. Yeah. 112 00:06:34,640 --> 00:06:37,040 Yeah. With you, with you potentially 113 00:06:37,040 --> 00:06:39,800 you and your friend. But then also, even just like, 114 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:43,440 on the much smaller scale, like this weekend, I have a board 115 00:06:43,440 --> 00:06:46,840 game night with my friends that I've, like, coordinated and not 116 00:06:46,840 --> 00:06:51,440 here but at Lachlan's place. Yeah, but we are going to his 117 00:06:51,440 --> 00:06:52,960 place. I've invited some of my GSB 118 00:06:52,960 --> 00:06:54,960 friends to go. So we're gonna do a board game 119 00:06:54,960 --> 00:06:57,080 night at my friend's house. And that's just, like this 120 00:06:57,080 --> 00:06:58,360 weekend. And I've planned that. 121 00:06:58,360 --> 00:07:00,080 I'm just, yeah, I have something to look forward to. 122 00:07:00,320 --> 00:07:02,760 And it makes, I guess, what Gene was saying, like the grind of, 123 00:07:02,760 --> 00:07:06,320 like, the work that we're doing just look easier, too, when, you 124 00:07:06,320 --> 00:07:09,440 know, you have, like, outlets of breaks to look forward to. 125 00:07:10,280 --> 00:07:13,760 And then on Tuesday I'm going to the Symphony with one of my 126 00:07:13,760 --> 00:07:17,280 friends who well, one of with one of my new friends. 127 00:07:17,520 --> 00:07:19,640 And so like that's also there's like, yeah, I love having things 128 00:07:19,640 --> 00:07:21,720 on the calendar. Also, it's the Type A and me. 129 00:07:22,040 --> 00:07:24,000 OK, so now moving on to my thorn. 130 00:07:24,440 --> 00:07:28,800 I would say it's so interesting. Like it's also kind of like work 131 00:07:28,800 --> 00:07:34,200 related and it's really tough and also amazing that it's just 132 00:07:34,200 --> 00:07:39,560 the two of us working together on, you know, our entire startup 133 00:07:39,560 --> 00:07:43,120 adventure, like including sisters, including this podcast. 134 00:07:43,400 --> 00:07:45,760 And it's fun that we have like a balance of each other. 135 00:07:45,760 --> 00:07:49,120 But I think it's also really tough to sometimes like when 136 00:07:49,120 --> 00:07:53,720 you're like not struggling, but like finding it challenging, you 137 00:07:53,720 --> 00:07:56,640 know, when things come up, like I feel like I have to be like 138 00:07:56,640 --> 00:07:59,400 the strong person. And then other times when I feel 139 00:07:59,400 --> 00:08:02,120 like I'm struggling, you have to be the strong person too or like 140 00:08:02,120 --> 00:08:06,440 I have doubts and stuff. So like, yeah, I don't know, 141 00:08:06,440 --> 00:08:09,320 that part is really tough when you're a founder because like 142 00:08:09,320 --> 00:08:12,560 you don't have like a larger team or even like a boss to tell 143 00:08:12,560 --> 00:08:14,800 you what the vision and plan is that you can be like, OK, I can 144 00:08:14,800 --> 00:08:16,960 kind of let go. Like someone else is doing the 145 00:08:16,960 --> 00:08:19,640 work and driving it forward when like we are the ones driving it 146 00:08:19,640 --> 00:08:21,640 forward. So that's really tough. 147 00:08:21,640 --> 00:08:24,840 And I've also like, I think really found it tough too to 148 00:08:24,840 --> 00:08:32,360 also like maintain a very like positive, like forward thinking, 149 00:08:32,480 --> 00:08:35,320 like, I don't know, I just like it's really hard to be positive 150 00:08:35,320 --> 00:08:39,640 sometimes, but I feel like I have to be overly positive when 151 00:08:39,640 --> 00:08:42,960 like things are not like, you know, moving, right, Because I 152 00:08:42,960 --> 00:08:45,320 feel like we're moving in that direction. 153 00:08:45,840 --> 00:08:47,880 Does that make sense? Because I'm negative. 154 00:08:48,400 --> 00:08:51,680 Or like, sometimes when like something happens, I feel like I 155 00:08:51,680 --> 00:08:54,880 have to be overly positive to like, just maintain the 156 00:08:56,440 --> 00:08:58,920 momentum, you know? Like what? 157 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:04,120 Like if one of the videos, like if an episode doesn't perform 158 00:09:04,120 --> 00:09:05,160 well. Yeah. 159 00:09:05,160 --> 00:09:07,400 Or if it like if an episode doesn't perform well or 160 00:09:07,400 --> 00:09:10,120 something or like, yeah. And then like I'm, I'm pretty 161 00:09:10,120 --> 00:09:12,800 down about that too, but I try not to let it show as much 162 00:09:13,440 --> 00:09:16,680 because like, I know, I honestly know it's not that big of a deal 163 00:09:16,680 --> 00:09:19,000 and we just have to keep going. Like I truly do believe that. 164 00:09:19,200 --> 00:09:21,440 But like I am like bummed as well. 165 00:09:21,440 --> 00:09:25,160 But like, I know that it's unproductive to like linger on 166 00:09:25,160 --> 00:09:27,040 it, especially if you're feeling down on it too. 167 00:09:29,040 --> 00:09:31,840 Well, I was talking to some of my founder friends yesterday and 168 00:09:31,840 --> 00:09:34,240 they were saying and I like think this is true that it's 169 00:09:34,240 --> 00:09:36,800 like good to have like Co founders so that like you guys 170 00:09:36,800 --> 00:09:39,960 can spiral at different times. Yeah, I agree. 171 00:09:39,960 --> 00:09:42,480 With that's what my friend said yesterday when I was having 172 00:09:42,480 --> 00:09:45,160 coffee with her, it's just like I had a spiral this week and 173 00:09:45,160 --> 00:09:48,640 then he had a spiral last week. And like we can talk each other 174 00:09:48,640 --> 00:09:51,680 out of it. And so I think that's like one 175 00:09:51,680 --> 00:09:55,920 of the benefits, but also like one of the just like downsides 176 00:09:55,920 --> 00:09:57,720 overall is this just like they're spiraling. 177 00:09:58,560 --> 00:10:01,640 Yeah, but think about how much worse it would be if it was you 178 00:10:01,640 --> 00:10:03,320 by yourself. Oh, for sure. 179 00:10:03,320 --> 00:10:05,880 You have to be strong for yourself all the time. 180 00:10:05,960 --> 00:10:10,680 Yeah like being a solo Co founder sound or solo founder it 181 00:10:10,680 --> 00:10:13,640 sounds horrible in many many ways the. 182 00:10:13,720 --> 00:10:16,160 Solo Co founder is even worse, believe me. 183 00:10:16,200 --> 00:10:18,560 Yeah. Or, well, Billy Farah. 184 00:10:18,560 --> 00:10:21,360 Watch that episode. No, believe me, because remember 185 00:10:21,360 --> 00:10:26,440 for my old startup Outdoor Pass, I did have a Co founder and then 186 00:10:26,440 --> 00:10:31,000 we had a terrible we had a Co founder breakup because I was 187 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:33,480 essentially a solo Co founder. Yeah. 188 00:10:33,680 --> 00:10:37,120 For for a long time. Yeah, I've I've heard that the 189 00:10:37,120 --> 00:10:40,640 middle ground is actually having three Co founders is really 190 00:10:40,880 --> 00:10:44,760 healthy so that you can have a tie break and it's like never 191 00:10:44,760 --> 00:10:47,640 personal in that way. If it's like completely like you 192 00:10:47,640 --> 00:10:49,520 have a third person to be like, OK, I got overruled. 193 00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:54,240 That was what when I went to my Colombian tech like dinner, one 194 00:10:54,240 --> 00:10:56,440 of the guys says that's like the sweet spot. 195 00:10:57,320 --> 00:11:01,400 Maybe it would really depend on the dynamic of the group because 196 00:11:01,480 --> 00:11:04,880 I could see potentially like one person feeling like they're 197 00:11:04,880 --> 00:11:07,600 getting like ganged up on all the time if they're always the 198 00:11:07,600 --> 00:11:09,480 one that's getting overruled. It's true. 199 00:11:10,560 --> 00:11:15,240 So I don't believe that as like a like an idiom or like an edict 200 00:11:15,240 --> 00:11:17,120 or rule or anything. I don't believe that three 201 00:11:17,120 --> 00:11:20,960 people is the the sweet spot I'm pushing back on. 202 00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:26,000 That take it up with beep beep. Brian, you're wrong. 203 00:11:27,320 --> 00:11:29,680 Brian, you're so wrong. Actually Brians right? 204 00:11:29,680 --> 00:11:31,800 Probably in his own instance, talking about himself. 205 00:11:31,920 --> 00:11:34,680 Yeah, so sure. OK. 206 00:11:35,080 --> 00:11:36,960 We're going to take a quick break and then we're going to 207 00:11:36,960 --> 00:11:40,720 get into our Q&A. Hey guys, quick break to let you 208 00:11:40,720 --> 00:11:43,400 know that we now have merch on sistersmatcha.com. 209 00:11:43,600 --> 00:11:46,240 We have sweatshirts and T-shirts that we designed ourselves. 210 00:11:46,320 --> 00:11:49,520 Go check it out and please rate US five stars on Spotify and 211 00:11:49,520 --> 00:11:52,240 Apple Podcasts. These ratings are so important 212 00:11:52,240 --> 00:11:54,880 for the distribution and survival of Tiger Sisters 213 00:11:54,880 --> 00:11:56,760 Podcast. Thank you for your support. 214 00:11:57,000 --> 00:11:58,640 And we're back. We're back. 215 00:11:58,640 --> 00:12:01,200 We're going to get through as many questions as possible. 216 00:12:01,360 --> 00:12:02,760 OK? The first one is for Anna 217 00:12:02,760 --> 00:12:04,720 Karate. Anna, thanks for your question. 218 00:12:04,960 --> 00:12:06,920 She said love the Friendship podcast. 219 00:12:06,920 --> 00:12:09,600 Listen to it today. If you could do a Part 2 which 220 00:12:09,600 --> 00:12:11,480 I'd love to watch, I have a couple of questions. 221 00:12:11,720 --> 00:12:14,320 One, how would you deal with a friendship breakup where you 222 00:12:14,320 --> 00:12:16,880 lost significant trust in the other person? 223 00:12:17,560 --> 00:12:20,520 2:00 What if I want to talk it out with her but I get the vibe 224 00:12:20,520 --> 00:12:24,320 but that my ex friend does not want to confront the issue? 225 00:12:24,600 --> 00:12:26,440 We're not really on speaking terms at the moment. 226 00:12:26,800 --> 00:12:30,320 Thank you. Girls, Oh my gosh, my heart 227 00:12:30,320 --> 00:12:32,400 hurts. And, you know, it's just, yeah. 228 00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:35,240 And we talked about it in our friendship episode. 229 00:12:35,240 --> 00:12:37,560 This is so hard. So I really feel for you, Anna. 230 00:12:37,800 --> 00:12:40,360 And it's not easy. And it's like very courageous, I 231 00:12:40,360 --> 00:12:43,080 think, to want to take this head on. 232 00:12:43,120 --> 00:12:45,080 She's so empathetic. I was going to go in straight 233 00:12:45,080 --> 00:12:47,680 with like a. An answer she wanted to go in 234 00:12:47,680 --> 00:12:50,640 with a problem solving. No, I just feel for you. 235 00:12:50,640 --> 00:12:53,840 It's it's really it's not easy. Thank you for your question. 236 00:12:54,560 --> 00:12:58,280 And it's even harder when the other person, like, may not be 237 00:12:58,280 --> 00:13:04,400 willing to, you know, engage. Yeah, dude, for me, I think the 238 00:13:04,400 --> 00:13:07,320 most important thing that you said is I lost trust. 239 00:13:07,840 --> 00:13:11,240 If you've lost trust in a person, it's for a good reason, 240 00:13:11,480 --> 00:13:13,200 right? Like that's not something that 241 00:13:13,200 --> 00:13:16,880 you would say kind of Willy nilly, frivolously. 242 00:13:17,200 --> 00:13:21,280 So like, if you've lost trust in a person for me, write it off 243 00:13:21,560 --> 00:13:22,920 for me. Write off. 244 00:13:23,040 --> 00:13:25,120 You know, like if you're, if you're. 245 00:13:25,120 --> 00:13:28,360 What do you mean write it off? The friendship oh, it's over. 246 00:13:28,360 --> 00:13:33,320 It's over. Like if you, if you feel, if you 247 00:13:33,320 --> 00:13:36,680 feel strongly enough to put it in, in words that like I have 248 00:13:36,680 --> 00:13:41,880 lost trust in this person, then I think that that is something 249 00:13:41,880 --> 00:13:46,360 that like you can almost never come back from. 250 00:13:47,120 --> 00:13:51,440 Well, that's so strong of a statement. 251 00:13:52,160 --> 00:13:56,200 I think you can come back from losing trust if both parties and 252 00:13:56,200 --> 00:13:59,720 it doesn't sound like you, it's this case right now, but if both 253 00:13:59,720 --> 00:14:04,240 parties are willing to work on it and you know it's going to 254 00:14:04,240 --> 00:14:07,440 take time, it's going to take a lot of hard work, probably 255 00:14:07,440 --> 00:14:09,440 tears. Like I think it you're able to 256 00:14:09,440 --> 00:14:12,920 build back trust or you're able to try to build back trust. 257 00:14:12,920 --> 00:14:15,240 Even if you try, you might not be able to get there, but you 258 00:14:15,240 --> 00:14:18,480 need to have two willing parties to do so. 259 00:14:18,840 --> 00:14:24,240 And I don't know, I feel like over time it can be built back. 260 00:14:25,680 --> 00:14:30,040 I I just think that like if it's to the point where she's saying 261 00:14:30,040 --> 00:14:32,200 like, I've lost trust. In this person, it depends on 262 00:14:32,200 --> 00:14:34,800 what happened that. Means that like there have been 263 00:14:34,960 --> 00:14:40,880 enough like attempts or like bids and like enough effort 264 00:14:40,880 --> 00:14:44,960 having put like she's put enough effort in to like get to this 265 00:14:44,960 --> 00:14:50,600 point. So like, I think, I mean, I 266 00:14:50,600 --> 00:14:55,640 guess to be more prescriptive, maybe like one thing you could 267 00:14:55,640 --> 00:14:58,600 do is a thought exercise for yourself where you kind of like 268 00:14:58,960 --> 00:15:01,760 project out the different outcomes where you're like, OK, 269 00:15:01,760 --> 00:15:04,400 what is the best case scenario that could come out of this? 270 00:15:04,400 --> 00:15:08,480 If like I really want to like push this reconciliation and 271 00:15:08,480 --> 00:15:12,960 like I am the one to drive this reconciliation, even though she 272 00:15:12,960 --> 00:15:16,000 doesn't want to like talk through what actually happened. 273 00:15:16,240 --> 00:15:19,120 Like, sure, I'll go with that. And then we'll just like become 274 00:15:19,120 --> 00:15:23,640 friends again and I will forgive her for her trespass of my 275 00:15:23,640 --> 00:15:25,720 trust. Then like kind of like work it 276 00:15:25,720 --> 00:15:28,200 out in your head, like, OK, what's the best case scenario? 277 00:15:28,640 --> 00:15:32,120 Then also this is, I think a cognitive behavioral therapy 278 00:15:32,320 --> 00:15:34,440 method or like a derivation of it. 279 00:15:34,880 --> 00:15:36,840 What's the best case scenario that could happen? 280 00:15:36,840 --> 00:15:40,320 What's the worst case scenario? And then maybe like, what's the 281 00:15:40,320 --> 00:15:44,360 most likely scenario? And then based on those three, 282 00:15:44,360 --> 00:15:49,680 you can kind of decide like, am I interested in going down this 283 00:15:49,680 --> 00:15:52,640 path knowing the range of possible outcomes? 284 00:15:53,920 --> 00:15:56,520 That's a really interesting framework to think through. 285 00:15:56,920 --> 00:16:00,640 And I guess it's like safer because you're doing it like on 286 00:16:00,640 --> 00:16:02,320 your own. It's a thought exercise, like 287 00:16:02,320 --> 00:16:05,160 it's only within the parameters of your own feelings, without 288 00:16:05,160 --> 00:16:08,560 involving the other party. Who and you can kind of like go 289 00:16:08,560 --> 00:16:12,200 through the feelings yourself, like almost like a dry run of 290 00:16:12,200 --> 00:16:15,280 the feelings to see how it makes you feel. 291 00:16:15,640 --> 00:16:20,680 And then it's almost like you might get a gut feeling from 292 00:16:20,680 --> 00:16:24,320 going through that exercise and then feel like, you know what? 293 00:16:24,320 --> 00:16:29,600 Like I really realized that like it's not this is the friendship 294 00:16:29,600 --> 00:16:33,280 has run its course and it's OK or to be like, what am I doing? 295 00:16:33,280 --> 00:16:36,440 Like I love this person so much. We have such a deep history and 296 00:16:36,440 --> 00:16:39,200 like we could have such a beautiful friendship ahead of us 297 00:16:39,200 --> 00:16:45,160 if only I take this step. The red flag for me is no, not 298 00:16:45,160 --> 00:16:49,120 so much the loss of trust because I do think that people 299 00:16:49,120 --> 00:16:53,440 are able to repair, but I think, I mean, it's difficult, but I do 300 00:16:53,440 --> 00:16:56,080 think it's possible. I think just the other person 301 00:16:56,440 --> 00:17:00,080 avoiding or unwilling to work on it is the bigger red flag for 302 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:01,960 me. It's like, I want to know that 303 00:17:01,960 --> 00:17:05,520 you're as invested in this as I am and like, it's going to be 304 00:17:05,520 --> 00:17:07,560 really hard and maybe that's why that person's avoiding it. 305 00:17:07,560 --> 00:17:10,520 But like, if this is going to work, like you have to do hard 306 00:17:10,520 --> 00:17:14,440 shit and be as invested, if not more like both parties need to 307 00:17:14,440 --> 00:17:17,359 be giving 100%. It's not like one, it's not 308 00:17:17,359 --> 00:17:19,000 5050. It's like both need to be giving 309 00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:23,359 100% for it to work out and so. And I think the other thing to, 310 00:17:23,680 --> 00:17:29,160 to kind of think through is for the loss of trust instance. 311 00:17:29,720 --> 00:17:32,200 Was it something that was circumstantial? 312 00:17:32,200 --> 00:17:33,880 Was it something that was situational? 313 00:17:33,880 --> 00:17:37,400 Was it something that was like, oh, like parts of what happened 314 00:17:37,400 --> 00:17:39,280 were out of this person's control? 315 00:17:39,280 --> 00:17:43,200 Or like it was a not like act of God, but it was like almost like 316 00:17:43,240 --> 00:17:46,400 a like a one time thing. Or is it something that is 317 00:17:46,400 --> 00:17:48,800 endemic? Is it something that is like 318 00:17:48,800 --> 00:17:54,360 inherent to their personality that they refuse to change or 319 00:17:54,520 --> 00:17:57,600 you cannot reasonably expect that that we they would ever be 320 00:17:57,600 --> 00:18:01,640 able to change? So that's like another, I think 321 00:18:01,960 --> 00:18:03,800 important point of consideration. 322 00:18:03,800 --> 00:18:05,560 Yeah. I think like, do you think the 323 00:18:05,560 --> 00:18:08,080 loss of trust is going to happen again basically? 324 00:18:08,400 --> 00:18:11,720 Yeah. And that you, you yourself and 325 00:18:11,720 --> 00:18:14,920 your gut will know and like trust your gut here. 326 00:18:14,920 --> 00:18:19,200 I think our gut is just our instinct and it's so much faster 327 00:18:19,200 --> 00:18:21,480 than like our cognitive understanding of things. 328 00:18:21,760 --> 00:18:24,360 So I would say really trust, trust yourself here. 329 00:18:25,160 --> 00:18:27,200 Yeah, at that. That's just like a point I want 330 00:18:27,200 --> 00:18:32,400 to touch on is that the older I get, the more I realize that the 331 00:18:32,400 --> 00:18:36,320 times where I've ignored my gut was like to my peril. 332 00:18:36,760 --> 00:18:39,320 Like there are times when like, you know, when you like meet 333 00:18:39,320 --> 00:18:42,840 someone and they seem like perfectly nice and they're so 334 00:18:42,840 --> 00:18:46,640 bubbly and like, and you're like, oh, like what? 335 00:18:46,640 --> 00:18:49,000 Why don't I feel? Why does this person make me 336 00:18:49,000 --> 00:18:52,880 feel so uncomfortable? Like even like, why do I leave 337 00:18:52,880 --> 00:18:56,960 this interaction feeling just so uncomfortable inside, even 338 00:18:56,960 --> 00:19:01,440 though on the surface, like, everything seems good. 339 00:19:01,920 --> 00:19:04,480 That's your gut, right? That's your gut telling you 340 00:19:04,480 --> 00:19:10,760 something is not right or that there's like, I don't know, like 341 00:19:10,760 --> 00:19:12,600 caution. Like there's like. 342 00:19:12,920 --> 00:19:15,560 Yeah. There's like evil spirits around 343 00:19:15,560 --> 00:19:16,760 or something. Yeah. 344 00:19:18,680 --> 00:19:22,360 So yeah, it's I feel like the earlier you can learn to trust 345 00:19:22,360 --> 00:19:23,800 your gut, the better. True. 346 00:19:24,840 --> 00:19:27,440 OK, hope that was helpful. Love you, Anna. 347 00:19:28,080 --> 00:19:31,080 So our next mailbag is around friendship. 348 00:19:31,360 --> 00:19:35,360 Iman asks how to make friends in your late 20s and early 30s. 349 00:19:35,480 --> 00:19:39,000 Specifically the different perspectives between Jean and me 350 00:19:39,000 --> 00:19:41,720 because of our age gap. Thanks Iman for your question. 351 00:19:41,720 --> 00:19:46,320 Thanks Iman. OK, so I actually have been 352 00:19:46,320 --> 00:19:50,320 experiencing this recently, not just myself, but with my 353 00:19:50,360 --> 00:19:54,240 girlfriends who it's interesting. 354 00:19:54,240 --> 00:19:57,880 Like a few of them have told me that they have either like 355 00:19:58,080 --> 00:20:01,840 outgrown old friend groups or they've like moved to a new city 356 00:20:01,840 --> 00:20:04,560 and want to like make new friends or they're entering a 357 00:20:04,560 --> 00:20:07,040 new phase in life. Like at my age, a lot of my 358 00:20:07,040 --> 00:20:09,520 friends are new moms or about to be. 359 00:20:09,680 --> 00:20:14,800 But one method that I've seen is to actively kind of like tell 360 00:20:14,800 --> 00:20:17,720 your existing friends or like tell people that, you know, 361 00:20:17,720 --> 00:20:21,680 like, oh, I'm looking to like make friends that are like this, 362 00:20:21,880 --> 00:20:23,640 like kind of just like putting it out. 363 00:20:23,760 --> 00:20:26,680 They're manifesting, yeah. And in that instance, I've 364 00:20:26,680 --> 00:20:30,400 actually like connected some of my friends with each other who 365 00:20:30,400 --> 00:20:36,480 are like very recent moms and like about to give birth moms. 366 00:20:37,080 --> 00:20:40,640 And like, I feel like that's been very productive. 367 00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:44,120 Like I feel like people want to help and people want to connect 368 00:20:44,680 --> 00:20:48,000 you when you when you're like putting it out there in a 369 00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:51,800 genuine way. Well, they're also in a very 370 00:20:51,800 --> 00:20:55,440 similar stage in life where like one person can help the other 371 00:20:55,440 --> 00:20:57,360 person in a very personal matter. 372 00:20:57,760 --> 00:21:00,520 Yeah. I think generally that might be 373 00:21:00,520 --> 00:21:04,800 like the crux of it is that like as you enter new stages in life 374 00:21:04,800 --> 00:21:09,040 or like as you have new interests or as you start a new 375 00:21:09,040 --> 00:21:13,760 career, like being proactive about like seeking people with 376 00:21:13,760 --> 00:21:17,480 like like minded or similar instances. 377 00:21:17,520 --> 00:21:18,240 Yeah. Oh, it's. 378 00:21:18,520 --> 00:21:21,800 And then I guess my advice, like being in my late 20s or like 379 00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:25,680 something that I found that works is like being in spaces, 380 00:21:25,840 --> 00:21:30,000 like Jean said, where people have similar interests or like 381 00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:33,960 similar, I guess like experiences that they want to 382 00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:35,560 have together. Like Business School is just a 383 00:21:35,560 --> 00:21:38,920 major one where it's like I entered into a two year program 384 00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:42,440 with other people who wanted to get a similar experience as me. 385 00:21:42,440 --> 00:21:45,920 And like that was like so rich for cultivating friendships. 386 00:21:46,120 --> 00:21:48,680 And then outside of that too, I think a lot of it is activity 387 00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:50,240 based. Like what are some of the 388 00:21:50,240 --> 00:21:53,720 activities that you enjoy doing? And it could be like a pottery 389 00:21:53,720 --> 00:21:57,760 class or it could be even like a networking event too, when 390 00:21:57,760 --> 00:22:00,520 you're bringing people who want to talk about the same thing 391 00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:02,520 together. And like, really fruitful 392 00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:06,240 conversations happen from there. But like, seeking out spaces 393 00:22:06,360 --> 00:22:10,800 where you can find people who have similar interests as you. 394 00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:15,120 And I will say the other part about making friends that I feel 395 00:22:15,120 --> 00:22:19,240 like is not talked about as much is that if you do kind of extend 396 00:22:19,240 --> 00:22:24,320 a bid for friendship and it's not like returned, a lot of 397 00:22:24,320 --> 00:22:27,200 times it's not personal. I think for dating, people have 398 00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:31,120 called it like the taxi cab theory where it's like either 399 00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:34,200 your light is on, you're accepting passengers or no, you 400 00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:37,240 already have a passenger, right? Like some people are available 401 00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:41,080 today and some people are just not available to have like any 402 00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:43,280 sort of real relationship. And it's the same thing for 403 00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:45,880 friendships, right? Like some people are in a time 404 00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:48,520 and space in their life where they're very open to 405 00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:50,360 friendships, especially making new friends. 406 00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:54,600 And then other people just don't have the bandwidth or capacity 407 00:22:54,600 --> 00:22:58,680 to do that. And it, it actually has nothing 408 00:22:58,680 --> 00:23:00,400 to do with you in that instance, right? 409 00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:03,000 Like, so it's kind of just like you have to put enough bids out 410 00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:06,720 there to find someone else who is in that same mind space as 411 00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:11,680 you and interested and excited to make friends at that point in 412 00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:14,240 their life. So that's, that's the other 413 00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:16,320 thing. Don't be discouraged and don't 414 00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:19,000 take it personally if you're like kind of trying to like 415 00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:21,120 initiate new friendships with people and it's not being 416 00:23:21,120 --> 00:23:24,840 reciprocated right away. It just, it could be just that 417 00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:27,840 their light is not on, right? They're not seeking friends at 418 00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:29,520 the moment. Yeah, I really like that 419 00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:30,720 analogy. Thank you. 420 00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:33,800 We're gonna take a quick break and then when we come back, 421 00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:36,920 we're gonna go into our second section of QA, which is all 422 00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:38,680 about careers and Business School. 423 00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:41,720 Hey everyone, and a quick break to share something special. 424 00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:44,520 Sisters Matcha. 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OK. 436 00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:22,720 It's actually really it's, it's a really insightful question. 437 00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:25,560 So thank you for your question genuinely, because it's making 438 00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:27,440 me like really think and reflect. 439 00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:32,800 So I think the level of what's the question level of 440 00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:35,960 fulfillment. OK, it's interesting because I 441 00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:39,080 think a lot of people would just jump into kind of like trashing 442 00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:42,640 the corporate world because there are so many things that 443 00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:47,080 are super draining about it, not limited to, but including like 444 00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:50,040 the amount of sort of politicking that you have to do. 445 00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:53,360 And if you're a person that is like just really cares about 446 00:24:53,360 --> 00:24:56,600 like your work and you like really want to just build and 447 00:24:56,600 --> 00:25:00,600 like create impact and like ship things and like see things like 448 00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:02,760 live in the world and that's what you're driven by. 449 00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:05,440 It can be really. Exhausting. 450 00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:07,960 Frustrating to be in a corporate role. 451 00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:11,840 So I would say that is kind of like the downside of it. 452 00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:17,560 But to give like a fair and full view, one thing that was very 453 00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:21,400 fulfilling in corporate was the amount of like influence you 454 00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:25,960 could have because she's power. Hungry. 455 00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:30,640 But like seriously, like when you're in a larger corporation, 456 00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:34,800 like the things that I was doing, like I was, you know, 457 00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:39,200 leading mergers and acquisitions at the, you know, to to the tune 458 00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:41,000 of like hundreds of millions of dollars. 459 00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:45,680 Like I was the one that was like influencing and ultimately like 460 00:25:46,120 --> 00:25:49,160 driving those decisions. And that's obviously not 461 00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:52,520 something like between Cherie and I like the sister sister 462 00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:56,360 sisters corporation, we're not anywhere near running hundreds 463 00:25:56,360 --> 00:25:59,160 of millions of dollars of M&A yet. 464 00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:04,920 You know, hopefully the plan is to get there, but but that's not 465 00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:07,440 something that like so like if you're thinking about like 466 00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:09,840 there's different ways to like define fulfillment, right? 467 00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:12,320 Like what drives you? Like, are you the one that wants 468 00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:17,120 to make like decisions that are kind of like on that sort of 469 00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:19,600 level? And like, is that something 470 00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:20,840 that's like really important to you? 471 00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:22,880 And is that how you define like fulfillment? 472 00:26:23,360 --> 00:26:29,440 Or is it more so like being able to be as in control of your 473 00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:33,840 destiny as possible and seeing like, I would say the flip side 474 00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:37,400 of it, the fulfillment level of entrepreneurship is that like 475 00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:41,080 every single thing that I do, every single thing that Cherie 476 00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:45,960 does has an incredible amount of impact because it's just the two 477 00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:46,520 of us. Yeah. 478 00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:51,600 So like by definition, like I equal 50% of the impact of this 479 00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:54,840 company and you equal 50%. So like even though the like 480 00:26:54,840 --> 00:27:00,160 dollar value of it is not like moving a, you know, multi 481 00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:03,640 billion dollar company, it's still like the level or the 482 00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:06,000 percentage of impact is much higher. 483 00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:11,120 Yeah. It's like, it's like a fractions 484 00:27:11,120 --> 00:27:13,200 or something. It's like, you know what I mean? 485 00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:17,120 It's like, it's like having more ownership over a smaller pie 486 00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:21,040 versus having more ownership over a much, much larger. 487 00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:23,600 Pie or less, ownership over so yeah, less, less. 488 00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:25,800 Ownership over a much, much larger pie. 489 00:27:26,360 --> 00:27:30,360 Yeah, I mean, I that really characterizes it. 490 00:27:30,360 --> 00:27:34,480 Well, I think it goes back to just like what is fulfillment 491 00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:36,240 for you? Like Gina and I can only talk 492 00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:40,840 about what is fulfilling for us. But like people find different 493 00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:43,000 things fulfilling. So like startup life might not 494 00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:45,520 be for everyone because they don't find it fulfilling. 495 00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:49,920 But I think what's for me, it's way more fulfilling than the 496 00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:54,000 corporate world. Although I loved my time working 497 00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:56,800 at LinkedIn and in big tech and then also in venture capital. 498 00:27:56,800 --> 00:28:01,800 There's like Gene said, there's so many pros in, in that like 499 00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:04,760 sector in that sphere, but it's just so different. 500 00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:09,000 What I found is like working on our own thing, my own thing. 501 00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:11,080 It's like, I don't mind working late. 502 00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:13,320 I don't mind waking up early to do it. 503 00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:16,680 And because like Gene and I have the discipline and the 504 00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:20,920 excitement around this that like we're able to execute it at a 505 00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:26,280 faster speed. I'm, I think like I'm at, at my 506 00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:29,600 core am a builder. Like if you were able to like 507 00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:31,800 characterize like kind of you as you did before. 508 00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:35,000 Like, I really enjoy building things and making things and 509 00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:38,360 putting things out there that could be like by ourselves or 510 00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:41,600 with a larger team. What's another archetype aside 511 00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:44,600 from Builder Manager? Oh. 512 00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:48,360 Yeah, like IC versus manager, OK, in my mind. 513 00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:49,800 That's what you're saying, yeah, OK. 514 00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:53,840 Like, I really enjoy building. I think the influencing and, 515 00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:56,920 like, managing people and like, herding cats and politicking and 516 00:28:56,920 --> 00:29:00,280 stuff like that is a different set of skills. 517 00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:01,400 And I think people are good at it. 518 00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:04,640 But like, I just really enjoy, like, doing. 519 00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:07,000 Yeah. I think it's the computer 520 00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:08,680 scientist. The. 521 00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:11,760 Computer scientist and me, the builder. 522 00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:16,760 The computer engineer. Yeah, well, no, never engineered 523 00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:18,360 any computers. She's an engineer. 524 00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:23,600 But yeah, so that part because I'm able to build much more 525 00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:27,080 build AKA release content, build your business and have more 526 00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:28,760 ownership around it. It's building. 527 00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:31,360 It's building because I'm able to do that day in and day out. 528 00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:34,280 It's like way more fulfilling rather than like. 529 00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:41,960 And having to write a PRD or a spec about building or writing a 530 00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:47,280 strategy about the potential path that you could move in in 531 00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:52,320 order to build towards the goal that is the three-year plan. 532 00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:54,640 Like, you know what I mean? You're like when you're in 533 00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:57,760 corporate, there's yes, there's like so many layers of, of 534 00:29:57,760 --> 00:30:02,760 abstraction that you can only in your specific role, like you can 535 00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:06,080 only Pierce so many layers. Well, I also think that is one 536 00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:12,720 of my strengths too, is that I am such, I am a person so prone 537 00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:16,240 to action that it was very like frustrating for me when like we 538 00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:19,120 couldn't build fast enough or like there were so many other 539 00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:21,120 layers. Like let me code this myself. 540 00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:22,640 She's like, let me get and. Get. 541 00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:26,040 I was like, let her cook. No, it wasn't even the engineers 542 00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:27,600 actually. It was just more so like of. 543 00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:30,640 Course not the. Layers of bureaucracy I'd. 544 00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:34,280 Never hate on an engineer. I've had a big tech company, you 545 00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:36,920 know, where like you needed approvals, you need the design, 546 00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:39,760 you need design review, you needed like whatever that I was 547 00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:42,080 just like, Oh my God, this is just taking forever to do. 548 00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:47,920 Whereas like now, we're doing all of it and we are doing our 549 00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:49,640 own design reviews. It just. 550 00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:52,760 Feels so much better that we can release stuff and, and maybe 551 00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:57,080 it's not like at the level of like, you know, LinkedIn design. 552 00:30:57,360 --> 00:31:02,600 What's it called? Quality bar or what's it called 553 00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:05,720 when it's like a philosophy paradigm, Yeah. 554 00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:08,520 It's like it doesn't pass like Linkedin's design paradigm that 555 00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:11,320 they've like, you know, spent like three years making sure 556 00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:13,480 there's brand consistency across all the different business 557 00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:14,120 lines. Sure. 558 00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:16,840 Yes, but like that, that sort of like thinking is already 559 00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:19,760 embedded in US like, you know, fully like LinkedIn design 560 00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:21,800 paradigm. I'm like fully ensconced and 561 00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:25,000 like Snapchat and Zynga and like, you know, whatever design 562 00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:28,640 principles, yeah, design principles, yeah. 563 00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:32,480 And it's also, I think the other thing is like, we trust each 564 00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:34,640 other a lot. So that's why we don't need to 565 00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:40,320 do so many like design reviews or like there's just, yeah, 566 00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:43,200 there's less layers of approval because it's just the two of us. 567 00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:47,600 And like 90% of the time we're like, yeah, that looks good. 568 00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:51,360 Yeah. And like I am pretty opinionated 569 00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:54,200 when it comes to some things, but like other things, I feel 570 00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:55,960 like I'm pretty easy going about too. 571 00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:58,120 Like I trust you to like choose the fonts. 572 00:31:58,120 --> 00:31:59,600 I trust you. Like you have a good design. 573 00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:02,520 Guys, I get to choose the font. She gets to choose the font. 574 00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:07,080 What she's, wait, she's font so important. 575 00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:08,480 Yeah. But you know, like kind of like 576 00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:10,480 that stuff, like you'll choose and then like we'll go through 577 00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:13,200 like the final two. But like, yeah, we kind of just 578 00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:14,600 like kind of talk through it together. 579 00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:17,960 There is a lot of trust, a lot of things said and unsaid 580 00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:20,040 between us that like, it just works. 581 00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:22,520 It's kind of beautiful. What's unsaid? 582 00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:26,640 I already said in the beginning of the podcast when you spiral, 583 00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:28,120 and I feel like I need to be strong. 584 00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:32,760 Could it be me? Spiral's too strong of a word. 585 00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:33,680 It's not. Couldn't be. 586 00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:41,360 But yeah, so I feel way more fulfilled from doing this, this 587 00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:42,800 stuff. I think there's also just like 588 00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:45,240 so much bureaucracy and like meeting times. 589 00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:49,680 Yeah, for that really drained me at at big companies where it's 590 00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:51,240 just like, why? Like sometimes I would leave a 591 00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:53,720 meeting and the people are fantastic for the most part, but 592 00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:55,440 sometimes you'd be like, did this really need to be a 593 00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:57,280 meeting? Like this was you know what? 594 00:32:57,440 --> 00:33:00,560 You know that feeling it feels like just like a waste of time 595 00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:04,440 and I hate wasted time. Guys, don't you dare waste her 596 00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:07,640 time, she'll cut you. You know. 597 00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:10,120 Yeah. But I will say still like, OK, 598 00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:13,920 to, to paint a full fair picture, like buyer beware, 599 00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:17,040 there are elements of being an entrepreneur that are like 600 00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:20,280 harkening back to which we said at the very beginning, like 601 00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:23,160 every single thing is much more felt right. 602 00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:25,720 Like you can't just be like, if something doesn't work out, you 603 00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:27,560 can be like, well, wasn't my fault. 604 00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:30,520 It was because the like UX designer didn't want to take my 605 00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:34,120 feedback on XYZ, right? Or it's like, well, it's just it 606 00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:38,480 didn't get approved by, you know, the the CFO like you can't 607 00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:40,320 everything. There's no blame. 608 00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:42,880 Yeah, or there's no, it's like you. 609 00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:45,880 Yeah, you're, you're, you're everything. 610 00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:49,000 So it's like just the flip side of what I was saying before is 611 00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:52,520 that like you get to have massive control, but then you 612 00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:56,440 are the sole. Point of failure and success. 613 00:33:56,440 --> 00:34:00,200 Yeah, you're like radically, what is it called? 614 00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:04,000 Radically responsible, radically radical ownership. 615 00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:05,640 That's what people say. Do they? 616 00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:08,520 Don't they call, don't they say radical candor? 617 00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:12,080 Yes, but then I've never heard of radical ownership, guys. 618 00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:13,719 Radical. Ownership you heard here. 619 00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:18,760 Radical Candor by Kim Scott. Radical Ownership TM Jeans. 620 00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:22,800 Well, it's also the idea. One of the reasons why I think 621 00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:26,800 it works well is because one of I embody radical ownership in 622 00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:27,760 the LIKE Act. Like an owner. 623 00:34:28,199 --> 00:34:29,800 Ownership radical. Ownership radical. 624 00:34:30,199 --> 00:34:35,560 Ownership. Well, I think it's so important. 625 00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:38,440 I do not liking. I do not like working with 626 00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:42,960 people who pass the book That is just the most like I that's like 627 00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:46,679 if I'm hiring for someone like I need to filter out people. 628 00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:48,880 She's looking for radical ownership. 629 00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:51,679 Like you're an owner. If if you see a problem, it's 630 00:34:51,679 --> 00:34:54,520 like up to you to figure it out. Don't be like, oh, like I don't 631 00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:56,199 know how to do it. They can do it like no figure it 632 00:34:56,199 --> 00:34:58,680 out. Like I expect that like that 633 00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:01,240 type of personality and mindset is like actually, I think quite 634 00:35:01,240 --> 00:35:04,160 rare, especially in big tech companies. 635 00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:06,280 I think it's much more common in startups. 636 00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:10,000 Yeah, I think I've always worked at tech companies that operated 637 00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:11,680 like startups. Like I've mentioned before, 638 00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:15,280 Zynga was the first tech company I worked at, and the company 639 00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:19,280 motto was be your own CEO. Like, how insane is that? 640 00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:22,320 Yeah, be your own CEO, like literally every single person. 641 00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:27,200 So like, it can kind of lead to anarchy, but it also is, it's 642 00:35:27,240 --> 00:35:29,560 radical ownership. Like there's no other. 643 00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:33,400 There's no other way. I think you, I saw radical 644 00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:37,960 ownership with a lot of PMS that I worked with because like that 645 00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:38,960 was like the nature of their job. 646 00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:41,760 You have to own something. But like some of the best 647 00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:43,880 engineers that I worked with also adopted that. 648 00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:47,280 But then there's also, there's also tons of PMS and like 649 00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:49,520 engineers as well who are just like, yeah, not my problem. 650 00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:53,000 And I'm just like. Yeah, hello. 651 00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:55,440 Yeah. So, So anyway, it's also like, 652 00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:57,480 if that's what you're looking for, like if you want an 653 00:35:57,480 --> 00:36:01,120 environment where sometimes you can be like, not my problem, 654 00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:04,280 then you will be better served and you will find like a 655 00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:07,320 corporate life more fulfilling. And you can also have different 656 00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:08,520 phases, right? Like you will go through 657 00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:12,600 different phases in life. You need to be in a point in 658 00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:19,000 your life where you can succeed, where you're set up, where 659 00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:22,080 you're set up to succeed in entrepreneurship. 660 00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:25,560 This is a sidebar, but I talked to one of my. 661 00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:28,120 Or like 7th sidebar in answering this question. 662 00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:32,000 I talked to one of my friends who at the Columbia in Tech alum 663 00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:34,480 dinner. Guys why does she keep pushing 664 00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:37,120 Columbia in tech? So awkward. 665 00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:40,800 Are you getting paid? No, this is not this is free 666 00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:43,040 advertising, but actually it's not even advertising. 667 00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:46,400 It's only for Columbia alums. Anyways, I was talking to and 668 00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:51,160 he, he's one of the Co founders and he was saying that whenever 669 00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:54,880 he's hiring for someone that like, since it's such a small, 670 00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:59,120 lean, scrappy startup and that's like their mentality and culture 671 00:36:59,240 --> 00:37:02,680 that if any of the candidates ask about work life balance, it 672 00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:05,840 usually won't work out. Which is like, he's just like, I 673 00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:07,560 understand that's not fair. Maybe they're asking because 674 00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:09,760 like they're curious, whatever. But like usually like, you know, 675 00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:11,880 we hire them and then three months in, just like they're not 676 00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:15,840 working as hard as like we want them to or expect them to. 677 00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:19,040 But he's just like, honestly, as a founder, I've been working 100 678 00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:20,520 hour weeks for the last three years. 679 00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:22,280 Don't ask me about work life balance. 680 00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:24,400 Like if you want to come work at a startup, you know, it's going 681 00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:26,040 to be a grind. Like you have to be in it. 682 00:37:26,240 --> 00:37:28,160 But like, that was the perspective of one of the Co 683 00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:29,440 founders when he's hiring someone. 684 00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:31,960 And I'm like, that's harsh, but I I get it. 685 00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:35,360 I see it, you know? But like, yeah, but he's just 686 00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:37,960 like now he's like, I work weekends and I've worked 687 00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:39,560 weekends for the last three years now. 688 00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:41,760 None of my employees work weekends because we've gotten to 689 00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:43,400 that stage. But he's like, that's crazy to 690 00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:44,680 me. And. 691 00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:47,880 He's like just a crazy founder, but like, that's the energy that 692 00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:51,280 he brings. Honestly, like maybe I'm so like 693 00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:52,760 red pill, blue pilled or whatever. 694 00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:54,160 I don't think that's crazy at all. 695 00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:58,800 Like that's been the mindset and that's been, wait, what? 696 00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:01,240 Is the red pill blue pill? I know that's a matrix 697 00:38:01,240 --> 00:38:02,720 reference, but how does that work here? 698 00:38:02,720 --> 00:38:05,760 It's just like, I think it means like when you just like drink 699 00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:09,040 the kool-aid, like you just accept something as truth, like 700 00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:10,920 holistically without even like questioning it. 701 00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:13,800 And that's just your reality. Correct me if I'm wrong, guys, 702 00:38:14,240 --> 00:38:20,480 but I think that's just my normal way of thinking because 703 00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:22,720 I've always been in companies where that's been the 704 00:38:22,720 --> 00:38:28,280 expectation, like Goldman Sachs, Zynga, Snap, Snap, like at every 705 00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:32,120 single one of those places I have worked in the office like 706 00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:34,960 way past midnight. You should work at Microsoft. 707 00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:37,000 You should go. I know, go. 708 00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:41,560 Somewhere cushy where they'll respect you and worship you for 709 00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:43,560 the 40 hour work week you're putting in. 710 00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:46,520 Yeah, but again, every single one of those places I've worked 711 00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:52,160 in the office way past midnight to like 2 AM, 3:00 AM like, So I 712 00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:56,160 guess am I, I feel like I'm having that like Kim Kardashian 713 00:38:56,160 --> 00:38:58,560 moment where you're like, people don't even work anymore. 714 00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:00,400 Nobody wants to put in hard work. 715 00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:04,240 But that is kind of what people who are like older at like 716 00:39:04,240 --> 00:39:06,360 investment Bank say about the analysts. 717 00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:09,240 Yeah. Although you don't want them to 718 00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:15,120 on the live Oh my God either. Yeah, that's a whole other 719 00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:16,760 conversation actually that we wanted to have. 720 00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:18,120 She wants to talk about this topic. 721 00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:19,360 I'm like why? I don't know. 722 00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:21,120 Let us know if you guys are interested in that topic. 723 00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:26,080 Well, the topic being like really intense cultures, like 724 00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:29,240 work cultures and especially in finance where they're pushing a 725 00:39:29,240 --> 00:39:32,840 lot of the analysts and analysts are having health problems and 726 00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:34,840 even like mental health problems obviously. 727 00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:37,280 So I think that's worth a discussion because people aren't 728 00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:40,080 talking about it. And I was just like this should 729 00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:44,800 probably be discussed. I do have a lot of, I do have a 730 00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:46,800 lot of war stories when it comes to that. 731 00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:49,800 Hey kids, you want to see these scars? 732 00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:53,560 Not even myself but like my Co workers. 733 00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:56,400 And my friends as well. So this is our last and final 734 00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:58,160 question. Yes, OK. 735 00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:01,200 So Pramoth? Arun asks. 736 00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:04,320 Hey Cherie and Jean, I think you mean Gene and Cherie. 737 00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:08,000 Love your content, keep them coming. 738 00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:11,360 Want to know what your view is of the NBA given the current 739 00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:14,880 economy with regard to jobs? Noticing a few of my friends 740 00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:17,880 doing MBA ending up in roles that doesn't really reflect 741 00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:20,560 their full potential. So I was wondering if it's a 742 00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:22,720 short term thing or a long term thing. 743 00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:25,440 And if you guys do have time, would love if you can share your 744 00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:27,320 thoughts on this. Thanks in advance. 745 00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:29,640 Also, thank you for this question. 746 00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:34,040 This came from one of our videos from Season 1. 747 00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:38,080 And so like we said, we take all the mailbag questions or we take 748 00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:40,440 all the questions you get you guys have and put them in our 749 00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:43,280 mailbag. So this was from our recent 750 00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:46,280 episode on Talk to Anyone. So thank you so much for your 751 00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:47,360 question. Thanks. 752 00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:52,920 In general, going to Business School is a very long term play. 753 00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:55,480 I'll put it into like a couple of different like buckets, but 754 00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:58,160 the first one is like going to Business School, like beyond any 755 00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:00,800 like career jumps. And I know that's kind of what 756 00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:04,000 you're asking about, but like it's a life experience that 757 00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:07,880 you'll have for the rest of your life and career. 758 00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:11,360 And so I think it's just like 2 years that you go in and you 759 00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:14,320 learn a bunch of stuff, you meet a bunch of people, and you'd 760 00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:18,240 never know where those experiences will take you and 761 00:41:18,240 --> 00:41:21,440 the people that you meet. Like Jean and I are likely going 762 00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:24,080 to work with one of my MBA classmates on some of the 763 00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:26,320 sisters merchandise that we're putting out. 764 00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:29,600 So like that was just like such a random and wonderful 765 00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:31,160 connection to have. Like I didn't know that was 766 00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:33,280 going to happen going into the Business School experience. 767 00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:36,440 And had I not gone to Business School, like that connection 768 00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:38,600 likely would not have formed in that way. 769 00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:41,400 You will see the effects of Business School in the very long 770 00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:44,320 term and perhaps in the near term, but it really depends on 771 00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:46,640 the macroeconomic conditions that you've got. 772 00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:49,760 Fullness of time. Yes, but like in the near term, 773 00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:53,520 I think right now in like 2024-2025, there's like a lot of 774 00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:57,320 softness in hiring. Like there's way more people who 775 00:41:57,320 --> 00:42:00,320 are looking for jobs than there are jobs available, which is 776 00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:03,720 pretty different from like 2021, especially in the tech sector. 777 00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:07,280 And so like because of that, like I think a lot of people 778 00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:12,160 graduating are not getting the jobs in finance, tech, 779 00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:15,320 consulting, and there's a lot more entrepreneurship, which I 780 00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:17,680 think is one of the benefits coming out of one of these like 781 00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:21,120 softer periods for hiring. So it really depends on the 782 00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:24,040 environment that you graduate into in the near term, but I 783 00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:25,880 think it's definitely a long term play. 784 00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:30,200 I will say two things. So I would push back a little 785 00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:33,200 bit or like at least qualify her statement that it's a long term 786 00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:37,320 play because I think it does depend on what type of Business 787 00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:42,760 School you go to, if you go and like your reasons for going into 788 00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:44,800 Business School. So some people go into Business 789 00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:48,920 School specifically to pivot into a new career, right? 790 00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:53,400 So like for them it is still I guess there's like long term 791 00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:54,720 benefits and it's a long term play. 792 00:42:54,720 --> 00:42:58,800 But I understand that you are doing it specifically for a 793 00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:02,440 discrete short term outcome. So that is, you know, a little 794 00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:05,840 bit of qualification there. And then the other thing I'll 795 00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:10,400 say is that I actually think the best time to go to Business 796 00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:14,360 School is when the economy is soft, because there's actually 797 00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:15,720 less. Opportunity. 798 00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:19,240 Costs, yeah, because there's less opportunity costs for being 799 00:43:19,240 --> 00:43:23,560 in school as opposed to like, I feel like the fervor of like 800 00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:29,880 2020-2021, like when it was like a hiring frenzy and. 801 00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:31,720 People raising money for their startup and. 802 00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:34,880 People were just getting like insane job offers and like 803 00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:37,360 hopping job to job. Like that's actually a time 804 00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:41,520 where you do want to be in the job market as opposed to if it's 805 00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:45,160 not a buyer's market, like it's better to be off the market. 806 00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:47,400 Yeah. And if you're off the market, 807 00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:49,680 you're off the market for two years, which is great because 808 00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:51,680 then you can like be a student again and gain that life 809 00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:53,560 experience where it's a lower opportunity. 810 00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:54,960 And you're building up the skills. 811 00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:56,840 You're not just like off the market, like, you know, 812 00:43:57,000 --> 00:43:59,320 convalescing. You're off the market but 813 00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:04,200 building up the skills to rejoin the market at a higher level. 814 00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:06,280 Yeah. Also, another qualification to 815 00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:09,920 your qualification to my qualification is that I do. 816 00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:12,320 Get a lot of She learned the word qualification just now. 817 00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:16,280 Radical ownership. Radical ownership. 818 00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:20,040 Is that what you said? Yeah, thank you guys so much for 819 00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:22,160 tuning in to this episode of Tiger Sisters. 820 00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:25,640 We are so happy that you've been here with us this entire season 821 00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:28,960 and can't wait for. Season 3, yeah. 822 00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:32,720 And thanks for growing with us, for learning with us. 823 00:44:32,720 --> 00:44:37,960 I feel like even for myself, nobody asked, but I feel like 824 00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:42,120 I'm like way more comfortable about like being open and like 825 00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:48,440 expressing my full opinion. And it's, it's really, it's 826 00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:50,280 really fun. And like, part of the reason why 827 00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:54,320 I do it is because I feel like you guys have created a really 828 00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:59,120 safe space and a very like encouraging and warm welcome 829 00:44:59,120 --> 00:45:04,400 community where I feel I feel positive about. 830 00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:06,640 Sharing. Sharing and being more fully 831 00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:09,760 myself for the benefit of other people, yes. 832 00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:16,320 So yeah, please continue to like, comment and subscribe. 833 00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:20,400 And on Spotify, please give us five stars so more people can 834 00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:23,720 discover us. Yes, thanks so much and see you 835 00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:25,560 in Season 3. Bye.