1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,600 Welcome to another special episode of Tiger Sisters, our 2 00:00:03,920 --> 00:00:04,640 AMA. Yay. 3 00:00:06,640 --> 00:00:10,160 And as you guys can see, we are in a new location. 4 00:00:10,320 --> 00:00:14,720 We are in the Spotify LA office, and we're reporting in this 5 00:00:14,920 --> 00:00:17,680 gorgeous set. Thank you so much, Spotify, 6 00:00:17,840 --> 00:00:21,000 Spotify for creators and Trace Gaynor and Travis morning. 7 00:00:21,000 --> 00:00:24,080 We love you for having us. Yay, isn't it beautiful? 8 00:00:24,160 --> 00:00:27,320 I love colors. OK, so today's topic, the topic 9 00:00:27,320 --> 00:00:30,880 du jour is power. We talk about money, power, and 10 00:00:30,880 --> 00:00:32,560 love. And so we're doing a couple of 11 00:00:32,680 --> 00:00:37,240 AMA S focused on each topic. Power, guys, you guys asked us 12 00:00:37,240 --> 00:00:40,400 and today we're answering. Power is a tricky subject. 13 00:00:40,640 --> 00:00:42,720 I think a lot of people shy away from talking about it. 14 00:00:42,720 --> 00:00:45,640 It can feel a little bit ick and not everyone is comfortable 15 00:00:45,640 --> 00:00:47,920 speaking about it. But these are the things that 16 00:00:47,920 --> 00:00:50,840 we've learned and we want to share with you regarding power 17 00:00:50,840 --> 00:00:53,480 in your life, in your relationships, and in the 18 00:00:53,480 --> 00:00:55,640 workplace. Thank you guys so much for 19 00:00:55,640 --> 00:00:57,720 tuning into this episode of our AMA. 20 00:00:57,720 --> 00:01:00,400 It's going to be a little bit different, a little bit dusty, a 21 00:01:00,400 --> 00:01:03,880 little bit juicy, and we're so excited because you guys 22 00:01:03,880 --> 00:01:07,480 submitted your questions for us and we're answering them today. 23 00:01:07,800 --> 00:01:12,120 I'm Jean, I'm Cherie, and we're the Tiger Sisters. 24 00:01:12,320 --> 00:01:15,440 We are your Wall Street and Silicon Valley Big Sisters. 25 00:01:15,600 --> 00:01:19,440 And we are a top business podcast on Spotify where we talk 26 00:01:19,440 --> 00:01:36,320 about money, power and love. OK, So the first question is, 27 00:01:36,360 --> 00:01:40,560 Sheree, what is your secret power that's not obvious at 28 00:01:40,560 --> 00:01:43,240 first glance? I love this question and my 29 00:01:43,240 --> 00:01:46,840 answer is that I'm really able to read a room. 30 00:01:47,360 --> 00:01:49,600 And I know that sounds like a little bit obvious on the 31 00:01:49,600 --> 00:01:54,720 surface, but it's helped me so much in like work conversations, 32 00:01:54,720 --> 00:01:58,480 in personal life, relationships. If you're able to pick up on 33 00:01:58,480 --> 00:02:02,160 cues that people are leaving, non verbal cues specifically and 34 00:02:02,160 --> 00:02:05,680 body language and you know, visual stuff, how are they like 35 00:02:05,680 --> 00:02:06,960 moving? How are they responding? 36 00:02:07,160 --> 00:02:10,160 You can better decode the situation to know how you should 37 00:02:10,160 --> 00:02:14,200 respond to them. And a lot of people don't 38 00:02:14,200 --> 00:02:16,320 realize that. Like there are certain things 39 00:02:16,320 --> 00:02:18,880 that you can do to make you more powerful. 40 00:02:18,960 --> 00:02:22,840 If you can read the room. For example, at work, if someone 41 00:02:22,840 --> 00:02:27,720 is presenting their idea to the entire group, even if I'm in 42 00:02:27,720 --> 00:02:30,480 Zoom, I can see people's bodies, any language, like are they 43 00:02:30,640 --> 00:02:33,160 widening their eyes? Are they like, you know, 44 00:02:33,160 --> 00:02:37,400 distracted typing on their laptop, whether in person or on 45 00:02:37,400 --> 00:02:39,720 video camera? Like I can pick up on those to 46 00:02:39,720 --> 00:02:42,400 know and gauge what everyone else is feeling. 47 00:02:42,440 --> 00:02:45,640 Yes, it is exhausting at times. I can't really turn it off. 48 00:02:45,640 --> 00:02:47,880 It's just something that I'm naturally attuned to. 49 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:51,840 But if I know that like 80% of the room is not supportive of 50 00:02:51,840 --> 00:02:55,360 this project, then I can figure out like ways if I want to like 51 00:02:55,880 --> 00:02:59,440 push the project forward, what it how do I position it to 52 00:02:59,480 --> 00:03:02,200 address their concerns? Or I can even call. 53 00:03:02,200 --> 00:03:05,320 I'm like, Andy, it seems like you're concerned about this. 54 00:03:05,320 --> 00:03:07,400 Is that right? Like I'd love to hear more about 55 00:03:07,400 --> 00:03:09,360 your opinion. Oh wow, so you would bring it 56 00:03:09,360 --> 00:03:12,240 into the conversation live on the spot? 57 00:03:12,240 --> 00:03:14,240 I. Can or I'm like, hey, or like 58 00:03:14,440 --> 00:03:17,200 maybe not even call it out so much if you're like a little bit 59 00:03:17,200 --> 00:03:20,400 nervous about that, but you can like bring it to like hey, Andy, 60 00:03:20,400 --> 00:03:23,920 do you have any questions? If you notice that like, their 61 00:03:23,920 --> 00:03:26,200 body language reflects something. 62 00:03:26,200 --> 00:03:27,720 Yeah. Or if you know someone 63 00:03:27,720 --> 00:03:31,120 disapproves it, you can avoid them and then like, you know 64 00:03:31,120 --> 00:03:33,000 what I mean? Like actually not have them join 65 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:36,720 the conversation and then talk about them, talk about it with 66 00:03:36,720 --> 00:03:39,880 them after the fact. Yeah, I think, yeah, either one 67 00:03:39,880 --> 00:03:41,600 works. It's just one, being very 68 00:03:41,600 --> 00:03:45,440 attuned and two, you now have more information that perhaps 69 00:03:45,440 --> 00:03:48,320 other people might not have. So then you can act on that 70 00:03:48,320 --> 00:03:51,240 information however you'd like in the moment or after. 71 00:03:51,440 --> 00:03:55,400 I think a way to develop this skill is to really empathize 72 00:03:55,400 --> 00:03:58,760 with all the other people in the room, like better understanding 73 00:03:58,760 --> 00:04:01,880 what are their concerns, what are their motivations, and then 74 00:04:01,880 --> 00:04:05,760 just really noticing, like what is their body language tell you? 75 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:11,840 What this makes me think about is actually the fact that now 76 00:04:11,840 --> 00:04:15,520 there's AI and like tools to help you do this. 77 00:04:15,520 --> 00:04:19,079 To decode. Exactly like one of our sponsors 78 00:04:19,079 --> 00:04:21,160 read AI. Read AI Shout out. 79 00:04:21,480 --> 00:04:24,280 What they do with their technology is they read the 80 00:04:24,280 --> 00:04:28,120 sentiment of each like video call that you're doing, and then 81 00:04:28,120 --> 00:04:30,920 they can call out when the sentiment is high or low to 82 00:04:30,920 --> 00:04:33,360 actually help you action on it, Especially if you're like in a 83 00:04:33,360 --> 00:04:36,160 sales being or something. That's so funny that it's like 84 00:04:36,520 --> 00:04:41,600 now technology is developing ways for people to like, learn 85 00:04:41,600 --> 00:04:44,520 how to attune themselves the way that you're naturally attuned. 86 00:04:45,240 --> 00:04:49,200 Yeah, I think I've just had a lot of practice as like a child, 87 00:04:49,480 --> 00:04:51,320 like reading other people's emotions. 88 00:04:51,320 --> 00:04:53,280 Hyper vigilance. Yeah, hyper vigilance. 89 00:04:53,280 --> 00:04:56,280 We honestly won't go into that today, but you shouldn't know 90 00:04:56,280 --> 00:04:59,560 that's where that comes from. But it it honestly has become a 91 00:04:59,560 --> 00:05:03,640 superpower for me. How can people work on the skill 92 00:05:03,640 --> 00:05:08,040 themselves without childhood trauma? 93 00:05:11,080 --> 00:05:14,120 My answer is going to be something that you guys don't 94 00:05:14,120 --> 00:05:17,920 expect at all, and it's going to be reading fiction books. 95 00:05:17,920 --> 00:05:20,720 I was. Going to say something similar. 96 00:05:20,720 --> 00:05:23,640 No way. I was going to say watching TV. 97 00:05:23,880 --> 00:05:26,400 Watching yeah. Watching TVI think a lot of 98 00:05:26,400 --> 00:05:28,400 drama shows actually like Grey's Anatomy like. 99 00:05:29,040 --> 00:05:32,080 Or even like reality TV. Or succession. 100 00:05:33,160 --> 00:05:37,200 Yeah, yeah. I watch a lot of reality TV. 101 00:05:37,360 --> 00:05:40,880 No, when you watch reality TV, you can start to learn why did 102 00:05:40,880 --> 00:05:44,080 people act this way? Like obviously the situations 103 00:05:44,080 --> 00:05:46,680 are manufactured. They're not actually reality, 104 00:05:46,680 --> 00:05:51,000 but people are reacting to it in a true way that's like true to 105 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:52,680 their nature. So like, why did one person act 106 00:05:52,680 --> 00:05:55,240 this way and why did another person not? 107 00:05:55,240 --> 00:06:00,280 And like, how did things unfold? And like, how did you expect to 108 00:06:00,280 --> 00:06:02,720 unfold? How did the characters or the 109 00:06:02,720 --> 00:06:05,520 people in the show expected to unfold versus like how it 110 00:06:05,520 --> 00:06:08,720 actually? Plays out if you are diagnosed 111 00:06:08,720 --> 00:06:12,840 as someone who is on the spectrum or you just have a hard 112 00:06:12,840 --> 00:06:17,280 time reading people's reactions, their faces, and just 113 00:06:17,760 --> 00:06:20,240 understanding their emotion. Just like it comes very 114 00:06:20,240 --> 00:06:22,640 intuitively to me and I know that's not where everyone, 115 00:06:22,640 --> 00:06:23,920 that's not everyone starting baseline. 116 00:06:24,240 --> 00:06:27,680 A very real recommendation is to start watching reality TV. 117 00:06:27,800 --> 00:06:31,840 Just start reading more fiction and watch more like drama on TV 118 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:35,880 because then you get to understand people's reactions, 119 00:06:35,880 --> 00:06:39,160 you get to understand why people reacted that way, and you can 120 00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:42,960 pick up on more subtle micro emotions that you might not 121 00:06:42,960 --> 00:06:45,400 notice already. I have another recommendation. 122 00:06:45,400 --> 00:06:49,480 Another recommendation from me is to actually go out and put 123 00:06:49,480 --> 00:06:52,200 yourself in situations where you're interacting with people 124 00:06:52,480 --> 00:06:55,120 who are different than the people you normally interact 125 00:06:55,120 --> 00:06:57,400 with. Like go out and meet people who 126 00:06:57,400 --> 00:07:00,680 are from different backgrounds who like think differently than 127 00:07:00,680 --> 00:07:06,480 you, who are just like have a wide variety of interactions so 128 00:07:06,480 --> 00:07:12,680 that you can sort of build that almost like library of 129 00:07:12,720 --> 00:07:16,440 interactions in your head so that you can start to better 130 00:07:16,440 --> 00:07:19,080 attune yourself to different types of people. 131 00:07:19,480 --> 00:07:23,280 Yeah, I think that's one way to really build deep empathy. 132 00:07:23,280 --> 00:07:27,280 If you don't feel like you have that library in your head 133 00:07:27,280 --> 00:07:30,400 already, you can read fiction. You can meet people in real life 134 00:07:30,800 --> 00:07:34,000 to understand people and what they've gone through. 135 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:36,400 I think memoirs are also fantastic. 136 00:07:36,400 --> 00:07:39,240 Yeah, I mean, we want to start a book club. 137 00:07:39,360 --> 00:07:42,480 This this answer is too long, but this is kind of like a crazy 138 00:07:42,480 --> 00:07:43,840 episode. So like, we'll just let it, 139 00:07:44,120 --> 00:07:46,600 we'll let it ride. But like also I really want to 140 00:07:46,600 --> 00:07:48,640 start a Tiger Sisters book club like you guys. 141 00:07:48,640 --> 00:07:51,240 Know avid reader she. Loves. 142 00:07:51,240 --> 00:07:55,120 Reading She's the biggest nerd and she will read until. 5:00 AM 143 00:07:55,560 --> 00:07:59,840 Yeah, beyond she. Will literally not sleep and 144 00:07:59,840 --> 00:08:01,960 read. I'll pull an all nighter for 145 00:08:01,960 --> 00:08:05,440 either reading or partying, one or the other. 146 00:08:05,800 --> 00:08:08,320 There's no in between, there's no sleeping, and there's no in. 147 00:08:08,320 --> 00:08:11,240 Between or or binge watching TV. Or binge watching TV. 148 00:08:11,640 --> 00:08:15,200 We all have her vices and if her vices binge reading, I guess 149 00:08:15,200 --> 00:08:19,600 that's OK. Gene, you have 50 patents in AI 150 00:08:19,600 --> 00:08:21,920 and machine learning. You went to Dartmouth and 151 00:08:21,920 --> 00:08:25,040 Harvard Business School, you were a product executive at 152 00:08:25,040 --> 00:08:27,800 Snapchat. You worked in finance on Wall 153 00:08:27,800 --> 00:08:30,040 Street and you've had an amazing career. 154 00:08:30,280 --> 00:08:34,320 And you're my sister and Co host of this top ten business podcast 155 00:08:34,320 --> 00:08:36,960 on Spotify. I could go on and on, but I have 156 00:08:36,960 --> 00:08:40,000 a question for you from Manuela Lito. 157 00:08:40,200 --> 00:08:43,400 How did you come to the decision to quit your job and start a 158 00:08:43,400 --> 00:08:45,120 podcast? Was it scary? 159 00:08:45,960 --> 00:08:48,600 Well, Manuela, I'll tell you, it was the hardest decision of my 160 00:08:48,600 --> 00:08:50,680 life or one of the hardest decisions. 161 00:08:51,040 --> 00:08:55,280 But I realized that if I stayed in that position, I would be 162 00:08:55,280 --> 00:08:58,120 settling. You had the money, you had your 163 00:08:58,120 --> 00:09:01,360 dream role, but you didn't feel, but you thought you were 164 00:09:01,360 --> 00:09:02,600 settling. Yeah. 165 00:09:02,600 --> 00:09:05,800 I mean, we talked about recently on an episode about the concept 166 00:09:05,800 --> 00:09:09,000 of zone of excellence versus zone of genius. 167 00:09:09,280 --> 00:09:12,080 And the idea is that you can be in your zone of excellence, but 168 00:09:12,080 --> 00:09:15,080 it's not something you're not doing something that gives you 169 00:09:15,160 --> 00:09:20,720 life or gives you energy, gives you joy, gives you just that, 170 00:09:20,720 --> 00:09:23,080 like shwa de. Vivre de leaning purpose. 171 00:09:23,080 --> 00:09:25,960 Yeah, exactly. I'm not saying that you can't 172 00:09:26,120 --> 00:09:29,080 always be in your zone of excellence and that the zone of 173 00:09:29,080 --> 00:09:31,120 excellence is not something to strive for. 174 00:09:31,400 --> 00:09:34,360 But I think me and for probably a lot of people who are watching 175 00:09:34,360 --> 00:09:38,760 this, we are the type of people that if you are in the zone of 176 00:09:38,760 --> 00:09:41,400 excellence for too long, you start to feel like you're 177 00:09:41,400 --> 00:09:43,280 settling. You start to feel like you're 178 00:09:43,280 --> 00:09:46,160 stagnant. You start to feel like you are 179 00:09:46,160 --> 00:09:50,200 just not operating at your highest potential and like 180 00:09:50,200 --> 00:09:52,880 contributing to the world. And that's exactly how I started 181 00:09:52,880 --> 00:09:54,480 to feel. I mean, I was at Snapchat for a 182 00:09:54,480 --> 00:09:59,240 very long time, 6 1/2 years. And I will give a lot of credit 183 00:09:59,440 --> 00:10:01,360 to, you know, the leadership at Snap. 184 00:10:02,080 --> 00:10:04,880 Over the course of my time there, I worked in many 185 00:10:04,880 --> 00:10:08,200 different roles and I was given the opportunity to do incredible 186 00:10:08,200 --> 00:10:11,560 things like running hundreds of millions of dollars of M&A, 187 00:10:12,680 --> 00:10:15,880 running massive teams, standing up entire new initiatives at the 188 00:10:15,880 --> 00:10:17,680 company. And like, I think the reason why 189 00:10:17,680 --> 00:10:22,440 I stayed so long is because I was able to learn so many 190 00:10:22,440 --> 00:10:25,200 different things and do so many different things, even within my 191 00:10:25,200 --> 00:10:29,560 role as a product leader. But I think ultimately, by the 192 00:10:29,560 --> 00:10:32,280 end, the way that I felt is that I was squarely in the zone of 193 00:10:32,280 --> 00:10:34,360 excellence, but not in my zone of genius. 194 00:10:34,360 --> 00:10:39,960 I wasn't doing something that I felt like I was like using my 195 00:10:39,960 --> 00:10:44,640 special brand of genius, which everyone has to help the world, 196 00:10:44,720 --> 00:10:47,560 to really do something that was meaningful and that I wanted to 197 00:10:47,560 --> 00:10:50,680 spend, you know, 80 hours a week or whatever it was on. 198 00:10:51,160 --> 00:10:52,480 Yeah. And that's why zone of 199 00:10:52,480 --> 00:10:55,520 excellence is so dangerous because just because you end up 200 00:10:55,520 --> 00:10:59,040 being good at something doesn't necessarily mean it's what gives 201 00:10:59,040 --> 00:11:01,960 you purpose or meaning joy and fulfillment. 202 00:11:02,120 --> 00:11:04,760 And it's it's like dangerous because if you are good at 203 00:11:04,760 --> 00:11:07,240 something like, you derive a lot of. 204 00:11:07,520 --> 00:11:09,520 Yeah, you get a lot of fulfillment from it. 205 00:11:09,560 --> 00:11:12,360 You just feel when you're good at something, you feel 206 00:11:12,360 --> 00:11:14,960 satisfied. Yeah, you feel satisfied, but I 207 00:11:14,960 --> 00:11:17,360 think over a long period of time, if you're not like 208 00:11:17,360 --> 00:11:21,880 learning and evolving like all the time, I feel like you just 209 00:11:21,880 --> 00:11:24,880 get bored. Yeah, it's like when you if you 210 00:11:24,880 --> 00:11:27,120 have like a machine or a knife or something, just doing a 211 00:11:27,120 --> 00:11:30,040 repetitive motion, like if a knife is just like always 212 00:11:30,040 --> 00:11:32,920 chopping the same vegetables on the chopping board and the knife 213 00:11:32,920 --> 00:11:34,960 never gets sharpened and that knife gets dull. 214 00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:37,040 Yeah. I feel like. 215 00:11:37,360 --> 00:11:40,240 You guys like my metaphor. I don't know why I just came up 216 00:11:40,240 --> 00:11:42,040 with that metaphor. It also depends. 217 00:11:42,040 --> 00:11:43,920 On the type of person that you are too, Yeah. 218 00:11:43,920 --> 00:11:47,640 But I think in general, most people like new to be 219 00:11:47,640 --> 00:11:50,200 challenged. I think people like to rise up 220 00:11:50,200 --> 00:11:52,880 to a challenge. I think in human nature to want 221 00:11:52,880 --> 00:11:54,440 to be good at something. Yeah. 222 00:11:54,480 --> 00:11:57,920 So, yeah, I think it's really interesting the zone of 223 00:11:57,920 --> 00:11:59,920 excellence versus the zone of genius. 224 00:12:00,320 --> 00:12:01,880 And that's. Not to say that the goal of 225 00:12:01,880 --> 00:12:06,480 achieving the zone of excellence is not a super like veritable 226 00:12:06,480 --> 00:12:11,280 and worthy goal, because you're not always going to be in your 227 00:12:11,280 --> 00:12:13,480 zone of excellence. Being zone of excellence means 228 00:12:13,480 --> 00:12:16,160 you've worked in something and you've honed your skill in it 229 00:12:16,160 --> 00:12:19,320 for a very long time. So I think even reaching the 230 00:12:19,320 --> 00:12:21,720 zone of excellence is a great goal to have. 231 00:12:22,000 --> 00:12:24,680 And then, but the question is once you've reached it and 232 00:12:24,680 --> 00:12:28,360 you've been in it for a long time, then you start to feel 233 00:12:28,360 --> 00:12:31,440 like it's time to do something new. 234 00:12:31,440 --> 00:12:35,600 It's time for me to sort of like break out of this and then enter 235 00:12:35,600 --> 00:12:38,920 the zone of genius. This episode of Tiger Sisters is 236 00:12:38,920 --> 00:12:41,240 brought to you by read AI. Yes, and it's. 237 00:12:41,240 --> 00:12:45,720 Not just another note taker, it's like an AI copilot that can 238 00:12:45,720 --> 00:12:48,760 read, transcribe and summarize your meeting notes. 239 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:52,920 It reads the energy and vibe of your meetings to give you the 240 00:12:52,920 --> 00:12:56,120 next smart steps. I'm obsessed because it's like 241 00:12:56,120 --> 00:12:58,960 having a chief of staff that manages your inbox, your work 242 00:12:58,960 --> 00:13:00,960 meetings, basically your entire work life. 243 00:13:01,280 --> 00:13:03,120 Yeah. Last week I missed a meeting and 244 00:13:03,120 --> 00:13:05,480 I was able to type. What did I miss and read? 245 00:13:05,480 --> 00:13:09,400 AI was able to give me the top takeaways, the key points, and 246 00:13:09,400 --> 00:13:12,120 also the sentiment. It was kind of like magic, and 247 00:13:12,120 --> 00:13:16,600 it works across Gmail, Teams, Notion, Salesforce, Zoom, 248 00:13:16,600 --> 00:13:18,480 basically wherever you do your work. 249 00:13:19,000 --> 00:13:21,680 And you know me, I never give apps access to my Gmail because 250 00:13:21,680 --> 00:13:24,080 that's super private. But I actually made an exception 251 00:13:24,080 --> 00:13:27,760 for Read AI because I personally know the founder, David Shim, 252 00:13:27,880 --> 00:13:29,800 because we used to work together at Snapchat. 253 00:13:30,120 --> 00:13:33,000 And you guys might remember we actually interviewed David Shim 254 00:13:33,000 --> 00:13:35,720 on Season 3 of Tiger Sisters when he was talking about his 255 00:13:35,720 --> 00:13:37,720 new startup, which is actually Read AI. 256 00:13:37,960 --> 00:13:40,920 And now Reid has over 4 million users. 257 00:13:40,960 --> 00:13:42,440 Wow. Wow. 258 00:13:42,760 --> 00:13:46,520 And they're giving Tiger Sisters listeners a 30 day enterprise 259 00:13:46,520 --> 00:13:51,080 trial, which is worth $30 and that does not require a credit 260 00:13:51,080 --> 00:13:52,560 card to sign up. We don't. 261 00:13:52,560 --> 00:13:54,640 Know how long this 30 day free offer is going to last? 262 00:13:54,640 --> 00:13:57,120 So if you're at all curious, try it right now. 263 00:13:57,240 --> 00:14:01,640 Go to www.read.aislashtigersisters for 264 00:14:01,640 --> 00:14:04,720 a free 30 day extended trial and you don't need to put in your 265 00:14:04,720 --> 00:14:05,840 credit card. Sign up. 266 00:14:05,840 --> 00:14:07,960 Through our link because then they'll know that we sent you. 267 00:14:08,120 --> 00:14:10,320 We're obsessed. With Read AI and we think you're 268 00:14:10,320 --> 00:14:14,040 going to love it too back. OK, so our next question comes 269 00:14:14,040 --> 00:14:18,120 from listener Nainika, who asks how are you so productive all 270 00:14:18,120 --> 00:14:19,680 the time? I love. 271 00:14:19,680 --> 00:14:23,600 This question because I can talk about productivity for hours and 272 00:14:23,600 --> 00:14:25,640 days. I think of course there are 273 00:14:25,640 --> 00:14:29,600 tools and frameworks to help being productive like Atomic 274 00:14:29,600 --> 00:14:30,960 Habits. Great book. 275 00:14:31,120 --> 00:14:34,120 Cal Newport has an amazing book also that talks about work. 276 00:14:34,800 --> 00:14:36,560 Of course, they're frameworks and I could just like launch 277 00:14:36,560 --> 00:14:38,720 into those and talk about them. They're tools like read AI that 278 00:14:38,720 --> 00:14:41,720 help you with productivity. But honestly, I think my answer 279 00:14:41,720 --> 00:14:44,360 is more holistic. And the reason why I'm so 280 00:14:44,360 --> 00:14:48,160 productive in my career and in like the more professional sense 281 00:14:48,440 --> 00:14:52,320 is twofold. So one, I found my zone of 282 00:14:52,320 --> 00:14:55,040 genius and zone of excellence. So I've really found something 283 00:14:55,040 --> 00:14:58,000 that I'm excited to work on every single day. 284 00:14:58,560 --> 00:15:01,120 And I hate to say it because it sounds so cliche, but it is my 285 00:15:01,120 --> 00:15:04,400 passion and I'm able to monetize from it, which is I think a very 286 00:15:04,400 --> 00:15:06,800 important distinction. If I had a passion that I wasn't 287 00:15:06,800 --> 00:15:09,200 able to monetize on, trust me, it would be a lot harder. 288 00:15:09,360 --> 00:15:11,640 But I found something that I love to do and honestly a 289 00:15:11,640 --> 00:15:14,680 problem that breaks my heart so that when I get to work on it 290 00:15:14,720 --> 00:15:16,640 every single day, it is so fulfilling. 291 00:15:16,840 --> 00:15:19,200 And like I don't even want to procrastinate because like the 292 00:15:19,200 --> 00:15:23,160 more I procrastinate, the more that I'm not achieving my own 293 00:15:23,160 --> 00:15:26,240 personal mission, vision and like my God, even reason why I'm 294 00:15:26,240 --> 00:15:29,440 on this earth. So like, I feel like deep, deep 295 00:15:29,440 --> 00:15:31,040 internal desire to do this thing. 296 00:15:31,040 --> 00:15:33,720 So that's one of the reasons why I'm more productive because I've 297 00:15:33,960 --> 00:15:37,080 done a lot of experimentation and figured out what I'm good at 298 00:15:37,080 --> 00:15:40,960 and something that will help the world that makes me feel good to 299 00:15:40,960 --> 00:15:44,440 work on every day. The second reason why I feel 300 00:15:44,440 --> 00:15:48,120 very productive in my life is that I view productivity as 301 00:15:48,120 --> 00:15:51,520 something that impacts all the different pillows in my life. 302 00:15:51,520 --> 00:15:55,720 So if I'm not sleeping right, I know my next day is not going to 303 00:15:55,720 --> 00:15:58,680 be as productive as I can be. If I'm not eating right, I feel 304 00:15:58,680 --> 00:16:00,640 like crap. My next day is not going to be 305 00:16:00,640 --> 00:16:02,800 as productive. If I'm feeling, you know, 306 00:16:02,800 --> 00:16:06,480 there's like some problem in my like relationship or something 307 00:16:06,520 --> 00:16:10,560 like either romantic or just like friend social relationship, 308 00:16:10,720 --> 00:16:12,120 like I know I'm not going to be as productive. 309 00:16:12,120 --> 00:16:16,160 So I make an active effort to work on every single pillar of 310 00:16:16,160 --> 00:16:17,600 my life and I can't do it all at once. 311 00:16:17,600 --> 00:16:20,440 So sometimes it's a little bit of everything and making some 312 00:16:20,440 --> 00:16:24,560 adjustments, but I feel so productive when the other 313 00:16:24,560 --> 00:16:26,880 pillars in my life are going right. 314 00:16:26,880 --> 00:16:28,520 And so that also means going to therapy. 315 00:16:28,680 --> 00:16:31,080 That means knowing yourself, that means eating healthy, means 316 00:16:31,080 --> 00:16:33,800 prioritizing yourself. I don't really. 317 00:16:33,800 --> 00:16:36,320 I try not to drink alcohol because it honestly lowers my 318 00:16:36,320 --> 00:16:37,720 productivity. So I've cut that. 319 00:16:37,720 --> 00:16:40,600 Outgoing to the gym, doing what feels good to you. 320 00:16:40,600 --> 00:16:45,320 Now that I'm in my 30s, I feel like I'm more in control of my 321 00:16:45,320 --> 00:16:48,200 life, my habits, and then that means I can control the 322 00:16:48,200 --> 00:16:51,560 outcomes. OK, let's do our last question 323 00:16:51,560 --> 00:16:56,760 for this AMA and it comes from Shruti C who asks how do you 324 00:16:56,760 --> 00:16:59,800 make meaningful friends who are as motivated, aligned and 325 00:16:59,800 --> 00:17:02,000 passionate as you exclamation point? 326 00:17:02,840 --> 00:17:04,880 Such a good question, So. Good. 327 00:17:05,079 --> 00:17:06,319 Well, this. Is a really good question. 328 00:17:06,319 --> 00:17:09,000 Talk about like friendships and relationships all the time. 329 00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:10,839 Yeah, it was. One of our earliest episodes, 330 00:17:10,839 --> 00:17:12,280 actually. We did a whole episode about 331 00:17:12,280 --> 00:17:15,839 friendship, yeah. You are the product of the five 332 00:17:15,839 --> 00:17:19,359 people closest to you. So right now many exercise, go 333 00:17:19,359 --> 00:17:21,960 into your life, take stock. Who are the five people in your 334 00:17:21,960 --> 00:17:23,160 life that you spend the most time with? 335 00:17:23,160 --> 00:17:26,520 It could be family, it could be teachers, it could be friends 336 00:17:26,520 --> 00:17:28,840 like whoever. It is Co workers. 337 00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:32,400 Who are you spending the most time with in your life and who 338 00:17:32,400 --> 00:17:35,000 are you closest to and speaking to the most? 339 00:17:35,120 --> 00:17:38,320 Take stock of them right now because you will become more 340 00:17:38,320 --> 00:17:42,000 like them every single day. Guys I can't believe she just 341 00:17:42,000 --> 00:17:47,920 did a mini exercise like off RIP, off RIP, off RIP. 342 00:17:47,920 --> 00:17:51,480 Dude that's take stock. Of the five closest people to 343 00:17:51,480 --> 00:17:53,600 you. And then what? 344 00:17:53,840 --> 00:17:55,880 It's really. Helpful if you can go through 345 00:17:55,880 --> 00:17:59,560 this exercise and write down one thing you admire about this 346 00:17:59,560 --> 00:18:01,840 person. That's so good, I've actually. 347 00:18:01,840 --> 00:18:04,840 Done this before because, you know, it's like exercise. 348 00:18:04,840 --> 00:18:06,880 You can see the thing you admire about them. 349 00:18:06,880 --> 00:18:08,680 It makes you appreciate your friend more, of course. 350 00:18:08,880 --> 00:18:11,400 But it also, if you're having trouble, like thinking of 351 00:18:11,400 --> 00:18:14,000 something that you admire about this person, do they really 352 00:18:14,000 --> 00:18:15,880 deserve to be in your inner circle? 353 00:18:16,240 --> 00:18:19,800 Your energy is the most precious thing in this world. 354 00:18:19,800 --> 00:18:23,440 Your energy, your time, who you spend time with is so important. 355 00:18:23,560 --> 00:18:27,000 So take stock of that. And it's OK if it's time to 356 00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:28,520 recalibrate. Yeah. 357 00:18:28,720 --> 00:18:32,160 Fellow podcast guest Taylor Swift actually said something 358 00:18:32,160 --> 00:18:35,160 recently about how she was like my energy. 359 00:18:35,160 --> 00:18:37,280 She's like, think of your energy as a luxury good. 360 00:18:37,280 --> 00:18:39,480 I'm paraphrasing here. Did you see this clip? 361 00:18:39,480 --> 00:18:41,320 Yeah, of course. She's like, think of your energy 362 00:18:41,320 --> 00:18:43,920 as a luxury good. Not everyone can necessarily 363 00:18:43,920 --> 00:18:46,320 afford it. And like, by a Ford, she doesn't 364 00:18:46,320 --> 00:18:48,600 mean monetarily. She means, like, energetically. 365 00:18:48,800 --> 00:18:51,000 Not everyone can match you energetically. 366 00:18:51,120 --> 00:18:52,800 That's actually something I've learned recently. 367 00:18:53,000 --> 00:18:55,680 And it's like hearing myself say that. 368 00:18:55,720 --> 00:19:00,680 It sounds very woo woo like. It sounds kind of weird but it's 369 00:19:00,680 --> 00:19:04,000 so true. Like I feel it deep in my soul 370 00:19:04,040 --> 00:19:05,920 and now I know it too, especially. 371 00:19:05,920 --> 00:19:08,680 If you're a giver, like Gene is a giver, and I'm sure a lot of 372 00:19:08,680 --> 00:19:11,280 people who are watching this podcast right now, you're just 373 00:19:11,280 --> 00:19:14,640 like a giver in your life, a giver of time, a giver of 374 00:19:14,640 --> 00:19:17,560 energy, just like generous, super generous. 375 00:19:17,920 --> 00:19:22,600 And if people aren't matching your spirit of generosity, like 376 00:19:22,600 --> 00:19:26,240 that's just not a fruit. It can be an. 377 00:19:27,560 --> 00:19:29,600 It might not be a fruitful relationship. 378 00:19:29,600 --> 00:19:31,680 Yeah, and. It can actually be very draining 379 00:19:31,680 --> 00:19:34,720 on you because I think we've talked about before the concept 380 00:19:34,720 --> 00:19:39,080 of like if you are naturally, you know, your generosity level, 381 00:19:39,080 --> 00:19:41,880 whether like Sheree said, it's your time, your energy, your 382 00:19:41,880 --> 00:19:45,160 empathy, your even like listening to someone and like, 383 00:19:45,480 --> 00:19:47,920 you know, holding their emotions in your heart, in your hand. 384 00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:52,520 If your natural level of that is at an 8 and someone else's 385 00:19:52,520 --> 00:19:54,920 natural level of that is a three in terms of. 386 00:19:54,920 --> 00:19:57,400 Giving yeah in terms. Of giving and you're just always 387 00:19:57,400 --> 00:19:59,240 going to be at an 8. They're always going to be at a 388 00:19:59,240 --> 00:20:01,160 3. It's really hard to meet in the 389 00:20:01,160 --> 00:20:02,920 middle. And if that's something where 390 00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:09,520 over time you feel like you need someone who's at your level or 391 00:20:09,800 --> 00:20:12,440 at the same amount as you, you're just going to end up. 392 00:20:12,920 --> 00:20:15,960 Being really disappointed in that relationship, I think 393 00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:18,080 different. Seasons for different reasons is 394 00:20:18,080 --> 00:20:19,800 something that Gene says all the time. 395 00:20:20,160 --> 00:20:24,120 And now that I'm in my 30s and reflecting on my 20's, the thing 396 00:20:24,120 --> 00:20:27,840 that I wish I knew when I was in my early 20s is that you don't 397 00:20:27,840 --> 00:20:31,320 need 100 friends. Like, I think when I was, you 398 00:20:31,320 --> 00:20:35,920 know, in college and a new grad, I was so concerned with the 399 00:20:35,920 --> 00:20:38,880 number of friends that I had, not like a sorority sisters it. 400 00:20:39,040 --> 00:20:41,120 Wasn't even like a specific. Number, like, I'm not saying 401 00:20:41,120 --> 00:20:44,960 that, but you know what I mean? Yeah. 402 00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:47,280 You want to feel well. Liked it's important to you to 403 00:20:47,280 --> 00:20:49,160 feel well, liked. It's important for you to feel 404 00:20:49,160 --> 00:20:51,200 popular. Even if you're not someone who 405 00:20:51,200 --> 00:20:54,520 like considers yourself popular, it's still just like, important 406 00:20:54,520 --> 00:20:57,120 for your, your ego. Like when I was young. 407 00:20:57,120 --> 00:21:01,600 Like it was younger, it was just like so much more important to 408 00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:04,600 me. But I think like as I'm in my 409 00:21:04,600 --> 00:21:09,400 30s now, like the circle just gets so much tighter of like who 410 00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:11,160 are the people? And the, I mean, my 411 00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:17,360 interpretation of friendship has also changed too because like, I 412 00:21:17,360 --> 00:21:23,080 don't need 100 friends. I just need like 5 to 10, like 413 00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:27,160 ride or dies in my life. People, guys and girls who see 414 00:21:27,160 --> 00:21:31,400 so deeply into my soul make me feel loved and cared for and 415 00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:34,160 like can hold my emotions the way that I hold theirs. 416 00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:38,760 There's, I think it's actually quite literally impossible to 417 00:21:38,760 --> 00:21:42,120 find 100 people who will meet me as deeply as I meet them. 418 00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:46,880 And I think it's really hard to maintain 100 relationships. 419 00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:49,200 It takes up so much time in the way that I want to do 420 00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:52,440 friendships. So I think 5 to 10 and this is 421 00:21:52,440 --> 00:21:56,080 all I can personally manage. And with that mindset, I can 422 00:21:56,080 --> 00:21:59,240 stop putting so much pressure on like even new friends that I 423 00:21:59,240 --> 00:22:01,480 meet, you know what I mean? I'm like, you're not going to be 424 00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:04,920 my soul mate friend. That's fine for friends for 425 00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:06,960 different reasons. Dude, I. 426 00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:11,800 I saw this TikTok a while ago and I don't remember who posted 427 00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:15,560 it so I can't attribute it properly now but if someone ever 428 00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:17,080 sees it please attribute it for me. 429 00:22:17,360 --> 00:22:21,760 But it was this woman who said in your life you will have 430 00:22:21,760 --> 00:22:24,640 people who are your friends, your true friends. 431 00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:27,960 You will have people who are your fans, and you will also 432 00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:30,360 have people who are there to teach you a lesson. 433 00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:33,720 They're there to be a case study for you of some sort. 434 00:22:34,120 --> 00:22:37,320 And maybe that case study takes you a long time to learn. 435 00:22:37,320 --> 00:22:39,440 Maybe that case study takes you a short time to learn. 436 00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:41,680 But like, these are the three categories. 437 00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:45,400 And I was like, I was like, what? 438 00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:49,240 Because I think very naturally a lot of us, especially women, go 439 00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:53,560 through life naturally bucketing people as friends. 440 00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:56,520 Like when you meet someone I think I very easily default to 441 00:22:56,520 --> 00:22:59,720 be like Oh my new friend, but I think we should stop. 442 00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:03,320 Calling people our friends, like people we like meet on a night 443 00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:05,640 out or, you know, go to a bar and with your friend's friend. 444 00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:09,160 Like, I don't think those people are my friends and I should stop 445 00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:10,080 calling them. They're my friends. 446 00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:13,080 They're my acquaintance, They're my peer. 447 00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:17,240 But like, I want to be using that word way more selectively 448 00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:20,120 now that I'm in my 30s, guys. She. 449 00:23:20,120 --> 00:23:24,400 Has been 30 for one month and she said the phrase 10 times. 450 00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:27,280 It feels good. To be in my 30s, what can I say? 451 00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:30,560 It's her new identity. It is. 452 00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:34,880 I'm in my 30s now. I like don't even. 453 00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:37,000 Want to mention it. And she's like now that I'm in 454 00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:40,760 my 30s for 27 days exactly. Yeah. 455 00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:44,360 And I think the second part of the question was like, how do 456 00:23:44,360 --> 00:23:47,880 you how do you make meaningful friends who are as motivated 457 00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:50,200 line and passionate as you? So it's like, how do you 458 00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:52,880 actively do that? Like, let's say, you know, 459 00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:56,880 you're coming at it kind of from a position of abundance of being 460 00:23:56,880 --> 00:24:00,040 like I already have many people who I can choose from. 461 00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:03,960 But like, let's say, you know, you listen to this podcast and 462 00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:06,440 or you're listening to the podcast now and you kind of take 463 00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:08,880 stock of your own group of friends and you're like, you 464 00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:13,080 know, what of this many exercise these five people, I only have 465 00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:16,000 one person who meets this bar that you guys described. 466 00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:21,200 So how do I actually go out and make four more friends that I 467 00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:24,440 can surround myself with who are, you know, at the same level 468 00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:27,520 as me and have let's see, what are the qualities that she said 469 00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:31,640 again, motivated, aligned and passionate, I think. 470 00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:34,640 You go to the places where those people are, go to the events 471 00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:38,200 that they're at, like whether they're networking events or 472 00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:41,920 like women's clubs that are like that or like run clubs, like 473 00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:46,280 what is the facet where you want to grow in and what are those 474 00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:49,280 people doing? So I think if you want to become 475 00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:52,880 like a healthier person, go to a run club, meet those people 476 00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:55,480 because then they're there for that reason. 477 00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:58,520 And then you can do that activity with them and then grow 478 00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:00,720 in that way. If you're looking for like bad 479 00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:04,000 ass bitches to be friends with, go to the networking events. 480 00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:06,000 Like there's a bunch of events that I see all the time in New 481 00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:08,160 York, SF and LA. It's like women's 482 00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:11,120 entrepreneurship like groups. They host these events. 483 00:25:11,120 --> 00:25:13,040 Sometimes they're free, sometimes you do have to buy 484 00:25:13,120 --> 00:25:16,080 ticket and pay for it, but like you are paying for access to 485 00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:19,480 those people and it gives you a reason to talk to them. 486 00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:22,440 And if you can find people to, you know, that you actually have 487 00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:24,800 a genuine bond with, like, what a great outcome. 488 00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:28,600 So what are the types of people you're trying to attract and 489 00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:31,760 where are they naturally going? Yeah, I actually I. 490 00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:35,040 Really connect with and like resonate with this question 491 00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:38,600 because I kind of feel like I'm in the process of doing this 492 00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:44,040 again myself just because I am somewhat newly single but I'm 493 00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:47,320 sort of coming out of a phase of my life for a really long time 494 00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:52,080 where 99% of my friends were couple friends and like I would 495 00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:55,360 do couple activities all the time with my ex fiance. 496 00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:59,120 Now I'm kind of like building up a new roster of friends who in 497 00:25:59,120 --> 00:26:01,840 addition to my, you know, previous friends, I can do more 498 00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:03,680 like single person activities with. 499 00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:08,080 And so one thing I've done that's just really like tactical 500 00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:12,960 is that when I meet someone like a girl that I like and I feel 501 00:26:13,120 --> 00:26:16,600 like a like mindedness and like a positive energy between us. 502 00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:19,120 I'll follow up. And you said this too. 503 00:26:19,120 --> 00:26:22,080 You've said this too. Like I'll actually be like, hey, 504 00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:24,960 want to get coffee sometime or like want to get lunch, want to 505 00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:27,560 get dinner, want to get drinks? The power of the follow. 506 00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:31,240 Up and. Like, sometimes it'll pan out, 507 00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:34,760 sometimes it won't. But like, you sort of you've put 508 00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:36,160 yourself out there. Yeah. 509 00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:40,480 And you've made that, you know, bid for attention or like you 510 00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:42,960 made that bid and it's for a relationship bid. 511 00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:44,160 For a relationship. Exactly. 512 00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:47,440 Yeah, I feel good about that. OK, so then you know what? 513 00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:50,920 Let's do like a power move or like your mini exercise for 514 00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:52,840 today. So your main take away for today 515 00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:57,080 is if there is someone who you've met that you feel this 516 00:26:57,080 --> 00:26:59,680 like mindedness with and you are interested in getting to know 517 00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:02,800 better, ask them out. Like in a non romantic 518 00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:04,280 friendship way, in a platonic way. 519 00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:08,120 Ask them out and ask to get coffee or lunch or dinner or 520 00:27:08,120 --> 00:27:10,960 drinks and then see how it goes and write. 521 00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:13,200 In the comments after you've done this because we want to 522 00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:17,920 support you and cheer you on and honestly asking someone out or 523 00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:20,960 asking someone to do an activity, it's like kudos to you 524 00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:22,880 for doing that because totally it's putting. 525 00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:24,800 Yourself. In a vulnerable place like, 526 00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:26,960 maybe they won't respond or maybe they won't reject. 527 00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:28,560 Like that's the worst possible scenario. 528 00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:31,520 But the best possible scenario, which is how I like normally 529 00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:34,960 think about it, is like a beautiful friendship could 530 00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:37,680 blossom from this. So there's only really upside 531 00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:41,200 and there's like no ego involved like whatever, just ask someone 532 00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:43,640 and I'm sure you will learn something from that. 533 00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:45,760 Yeah, and I know we're. Supposed to wrap up, but one 534 00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:49,600 thing I will say is one way you can go into thinking about it 535 00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:54,080 that we've talked about before is that different people are in 536 00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:57,720 different seasons of their life. Sometimes people are open to new 537 00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:00,360 friendships because they have the capacity and they're in a 538 00:28:00,360 --> 00:28:02,880 certain time in their life where they are looking for new 539 00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:05,680 friendships, kind of like me. Other times they might not be 540 00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:08,120 open to new friendships because of XYZ reasons. 541 00:28:08,120 --> 00:28:10,160 You have no idea. Like they could be going through 542 00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:12,680 a medical thing. They could be going through like 543 00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:14,680 family issues. They could be going through, you 544 00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:16,760 know, investing deeply in their relationship. 545 00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:19,560 You just don't know, and you're never going to know. 546 00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:21,320 Don't assume, Yeah. You're never going to. 547 00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:25,080 Know if you don't put yourself out there and make that bid, and 548 00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:30,280 conversely, if they say no or you kind of get like a not now, 549 00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:33,120 then you don't have to think that it's about you. 550 00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:36,480 Like they just might not be in their season and that's totally 551 00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:39,000 OK. There are so many other people 552 00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:43,120 out there who are like minded and I'm sure excited to get to 553 00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:45,400 know you. Thank you guys. 554 00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:46,720 So. Much for tuning into this 555 00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:49,920 episode of the Tiger Sisters. We hope you like this new AMA 556 00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:53,480 style and this new studio. Thank you, Spotify and Spotify 557 00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:55,840 for creators. We'll catch you next time on the 558 00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:57,920 Tiger Sisters podcast. Bye.