1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,240 We're finally going to talk about the thing we've been 2 00:00:02,240 --> 00:00:06,640 avoiding, how to not hate your body or yourself. 3 00:00:07,200 --> 00:00:10,320 In this episode, we're going to be talking about our health and 4 00:00:10,320 --> 00:00:14,360 Wellness journey, our relationship with our own body, 5 00:00:14,360 --> 00:00:18,240 working out, and how to live healthy and wealthy lives. 6 00:00:18,400 --> 00:00:21,440 We've gotten a ton of inbound questions about this very topic, 7 00:00:21,440 --> 00:00:24,960 so we decided to finally bite the bullet and make this a bonus 8 00:00:24,960 --> 00:00:29,600 episode for Season 3. I'm Cherie, I'm Jean, and we're 9 00:00:29,600 --> 00:00:45,680 the Tiger sisters. 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Thank you for your support. 24 00:01:25,520 --> 00:01:27,880 Welcome back and we're going to kick it off by reading one of 25 00:01:27,880 --> 00:01:30,680 the questions that we received in our mailbag about this topic. 26 00:01:31,200 --> 00:01:35,240 You chick says could you do do a video on body positivity, your 27 00:01:35,240 --> 00:01:37,120 health routine, diet and working out? 28 00:01:37,920 --> 00:01:40,720 It'd be so helpful to learn how to just love our own bodies and 29 00:01:40,720 --> 00:01:43,360 stay healthy from you too. Thanks. 30 00:01:43,480 --> 00:01:46,880 You check and we had a lot of. Other great questions similar to 31 00:01:46,880 --> 00:01:49,480 this. So the way that I think about it 32 00:01:49,480 --> 00:01:52,120 is that I think your relationship with your body and 33 00:01:52,120 --> 00:01:54,360 the way that you kind of walk through life in your body is 34 00:01:54,360 --> 00:01:57,600 comprised of three elements. So the first one is genetics, 35 00:01:57,600 --> 00:02:00,320 which we can't control. The second one is your 36 00:02:00,320 --> 00:02:03,160 upbringing, which you can't really control either, but you 37 00:02:03,160 --> 00:02:06,400 can do things to sort of mitigate or continue good 38 00:02:06,400 --> 00:02:09,560 behaviors from your upbringing. And the last part that you can 39 00:02:09,560 --> 00:02:12,600 control is your everyday routine, whether it's your 40 00:02:12,600 --> 00:02:15,040 eating habits or your workout routines. 41 00:02:15,520 --> 00:02:17,800 So we're just going to talk a little bit more about the 42 00:02:17,800 --> 00:02:21,320 environment that we grew up in, how we think about our habits, 43 00:02:21,320 --> 00:02:24,000 our bodies. And then towards the end of this 44 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:26,600 episode, we're going to give really actionable advice about 45 00:02:26,600 --> 00:02:29,960 how to get your body into the healthiest and wealthiest place 46 00:02:29,960 --> 00:02:32,880 that it's been and things that you can really walk away and 47 00:02:32,880 --> 00:02:34,280 implement right after this video. 48 00:02:34,480 --> 00:02:37,000 Hey everyone, quick break to share something special. 49 00:02:37,160 --> 00:02:39,840 Sisters matcha. We've launched limited batches 50 00:02:39,840 --> 00:02:42,800 of ceremonial grade single estate, single cultivar matcha 51 00:02:43,040 --> 00:02:45,480 straight from the family farm Sheree worked on in Japan. 52 00:02:45,480 --> 00:02:47,840 It's pure, authentic, and crafted with intention. 53 00:02:48,040 --> 00:02:51,000 Head to sistersmatcha.com to grab yours before it sells out. 54 00:02:51,360 --> 00:02:54,800 Make Matcha your daily ritual for lasting energy and focus. 55 00:02:55,280 --> 00:02:59,360 So I can start by talking a little bit about my journey and 56 00:02:59,360 --> 00:03:02,800 my sort of experience with food and working out growing up. 57 00:03:03,080 --> 00:03:08,480 So I think we were lucky in that our mom never pressured us in 58 00:03:08,480 --> 00:03:11,920 terms of weight or how we looked, and we were able to kind 59 00:03:11,920 --> 00:03:15,760 of grow up just eating healthily and conveniently. 60 00:03:15,800 --> 00:03:18,480 Yeah, Yeah. Conveniently, not always as 61 00:03:18,480 --> 00:03:20,000 healthy as possible. I think we ate a lot of 62 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:22,640 processed foods because. A lot of like microwave dinners. 63 00:03:22,920 --> 00:03:27,760 A ton, but I never worried about my weight growing up and I 64 00:03:27,760 --> 00:03:30,080 never, it was never a thought. I kind of just ate anything I 65 00:03:30,080 --> 00:03:31,920 wanted. I think also we were blessed 66 00:03:32,200 --> 00:03:37,040 with pretty healthy metabolisms and just generally we ate 67 00:03:37,520 --> 00:03:41,960 healthy and reasonable notes. But then I think all that 68 00:03:41,960 --> 00:03:44,680 actually changed when I went to college for the first time, 69 00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:48,240 because then when you go to college, I was pretty much every 70 00:03:48,240 --> 00:03:52,000 day for lunch eating a full Panini, and then for dinner I 71 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:54,000 would eat like a huge sushi roll. 72 00:03:54,480 --> 00:03:58,320 And then I had unlimited access to desserts, which we never ate 73 00:03:58,320 --> 00:03:58,800 growing. Up. 74 00:03:58,800 --> 00:04:00,040 Yeah. We didn't really have, like, 75 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:02,040 desserts or, like, sweet treats growing up. 76 00:04:02,040 --> 00:04:04,200 Yeah. Except for orange juice, yeah. 77 00:04:04,520 --> 00:04:06,960 I drank a lot of orange juice. That was our sweet treat. 78 00:04:06,960 --> 00:04:09,960 Seriously. But and fruit and fruit ate 79 00:04:09,960 --> 00:04:11,120 fruit. That was our dessert. 80 00:04:11,200 --> 00:04:12,480 Yeah. So that's just kind of like more 81 00:04:12,480 --> 00:04:15,600 about your upbringing that's. You know, the households that 82 00:04:15,600 --> 00:04:17,880 you grow up in and like the food that you're surrounded by. 83 00:04:17,920 --> 00:04:19,760 Yeah, so. Then once I went to college, I 84 00:04:19,760 --> 00:04:21,720 kind of went crazy. Oh, and I was eating these Egg 85 00:04:21,720 --> 00:04:24,080 Mcmuffins every day for breakfast, which were so 86 00:04:24,080 --> 00:04:27,920 delicious, so, so good. But then after, you know, a 87 00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:30,880 couple semesters, I was like, wait, why am I like, kind of fat 88 00:04:30,880 --> 00:04:32,560 right now? You gained weight. 89 00:04:32,560 --> 00:04:34,360 Yeah, yeah. I was like, what happened? 90 00:04:34,360 --> 00:04:37,560 What's what's going on? And I didn't realize, I didn't 91 00:04:37,560 --> 00:04:39,720 even realize that my eating patterns had changed so 92 00:04:39,720 --> 00:04:43,120 drastically from how I had been eating growing up my entire 93 00:04:43,120 --> 00:04:46,040 life. So then it kind of put me in a 94 00:04:46,040 --> 00:04:51,200 little bit of a tailspin. And then I went very strict and 95 00:04:51,200 --> 00:04:54,680 I went very kind of restrictive. And that was when I started 96 00:04:55,000 --> 00:04:58,880 actually for the first time ever in my life, counting calories 97 00:04:59,400 --> 00:05:03,600 and writing down all the foods that I ate every day and 98 00:05:03,600 --> 00:05:06,240 weighing myself every day. So that was really the first 99 00:05:06,240 --> 00:05:10,640 time that I encountered, I guess, kind of not a more 100 00:05:10,640 --> 00:05:12,640 restrictive relationship with food. 101 00:05:14,760 --> 00:05:17,960 And that was that was kind of jarring. 102 00:05:18,240 --> 00:05:19,800 Interesting. I guess you and I have never 103 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:21,960 talked about this. Is that like a Did you have an 104 00:05:21,960 --> 00:05:24,960 eating disorder? Not an eating disorder I would 105 00:05:24,960 --> 00:05:27,880 say, but I do. I personally think that a lot of 106 00:05:27,880 --> 00:05:33,120 women have disordered eating 'cause that's not normal 107 00:05:33,120 --> 00:05:35,280 necessarily to count every calorie. 108 00:05:35,320 --> 00:05:37,000 Or just to be more obsessive about it. 109 00:05:37,120 --> 00:05:39,800 Yeah, Yeah, that's true. We just think it's normal 110 00:05:39,800 --> 00:05:42,520 because diet culture is so popularized. 111 00:05:42,520 --> 00:05:46,600 Yeah, right. But it's it's basically the 112 00:05:46,600 --> 00:05:50,040 reason you do it is to sort of fit yourself into to look a 113 00:05:50,040 --> 00:05:54,600 certain way to adhere to a specific ideal. 114 00:05:55,600 --> 00:06:00,120 Yeah, I actually, I got fat. I had a fat period. 115 00:06:01,080 --> 00:06:05,080 I gained a lot of weight in high school, actually my junior year, 116 00:06:05,400 --> 00:06:08,720 and then also in college my sophomore year. 117 00:06:09,160 --> 00:06:14,440 And it was because every day my junior year, I started eating 118 00:06:14,440 --> 00:06:17,240 sandwiches at. School, so the same thing. 119 00:06:17,360 --> 00:06:19,840 Yes, but I didn't realize it actually, and you probably 120 00:06:19,840 --> 00:06:21,320 didn't realize it either. Because I didn't really. 121 00:06:21,320 --> 00:06:22,760 We didn't. Really eat like bread. 122 00:06:22,760 --> 00:06:25,760 We don't have bread at home. We had rice was our rice was our 123 00:06:25,760 --> 00:06:27,440 main carb that we had for dinner. 124 00:06:27,440 --> 00:06:29,280 We had croissant. We had croissant, but I like 125 00:06:29,360 --> 00:06:30,960 every day for lunch. I'm I'm not kidding. 126 00:06:30,960 --> 00:06:33,840 This is like really serious, like every day for lunch My 127 00:06:33,840 --> 00:06:36,920 junior year for about like a few months, I would just have a 128 00:06:36,920 --> 00:06:41,520 sandwich and it made me gain like 15 to 20 lbs and I wasn't 129 00:06:41,520 --> 00:06:43,960 very active at that. Point kind of sandwich like a 130 00:06:44,160 --> 00:06:48,080 lard. Sandwich like a peanut butter 131 00:06:48,080 --> 00:06:50,120 and lard. Sandwich No, it was like, it was 132 00:06:50,120 --> 00:06:51,640 just a sandwich with like, salami. 133 00:06:51,760 --> 00:06:54,880 So 20 lbs. Yeah, 15 to 20 lbs and. 134 00:06:54,880 --> 00:06:58,520 Not look that way, but. I will I why I could tell the 135 00:06:58,520 --> 00:07:02,080 difference, especially in my face, but but like especially 136 00:07:02,080 --> 00:07:04,880 this happened in the winter months at school when I didn't 137 00:07:04,880 --> 00:07:08,480 have as much activity going on as opposed to like spring and 138 00:07:08,480 --> 00:07:11,000 fall. I did sports and so I gained a 139 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:13,840 lot of weight. Then I was able to lose the 140 00:07:13,840 --> 00:07:16,440 weight because instead of having sandwiches, I just switched to 141 00:07:16,440 --> 00:07:19,240 salads every day for lunch and they were filling salads with 142 00:07:19,240 --> 00:07:22,280 like tuna fish or vegetable sat like vegetable salad on top of 143 00:07:22,280 --> 00:07:26,120 the salad and that. And I just drop weight like that 144 00:07:26,120 --> 00:07:29,280 by eating healthier and just cutting like sandwiches out. 145 00:07:29,360 --> 00:07:31,120 This was high school or college. High school. 146 00:07:31,240 --> 00:07:34,080 This was high school and the college is a whole nother thing, 147 00:07:34,240 --> 00:07:38,360 especially with drinking. All the habits around drinking, 148 00:07:38,360 --> 00:07:42,760 late night eating, I think that really messed with everything in 149 00:07:42,760 --> 00:07:44,560 my body. Not sleeping. 150 00:07:44,800 --> 00:07:47,080 It was just a really hard time. And I also gained a lot of 151 00:07:47,080 --> 00:07:49,560 weight then. But I knew from my high school 152 00:07:49,560 --> 00:07:52,320 days that I was just like, OK, I need to start having salads more 153 00:07:52,480 --> 00:07:53,800 and I need to start exercising more. 154 00:07:53,800 --> 00:07:55,880 So I was able to like diagnose and kind of get out of that. 155 00:07:56,080 --> 00:08:01,080 Yeah, I mean, if only it could be as simple as just seed 156 00:08:01,080 --> 00:08:02,560 salads. Because I will say the 157 00:08:02,560 --> 00:08:06,320 counterpoint to that is that when I was working at Goldman, 158 00:08:06,320 --> 00:08:10,360 my first job out of school, literally all I ate were salads. 159 00:08:10,360 --> 00:08:13,240 Because what we would do is when you stay late, you order food, 160 00:08:13,240 --> 00:08:16,040 you have a per diem, right? So I would order from this place 161 00:08:16,040 --> 00:08:19,160 that was called just salad, literally called just salad. 162 00:08:19,440 --> 00:08:21,840 And all they made were these salads that honestly, they were 163 00:08:21,840 --> 00:08:23,520 pretty. They were like disgusting, but 164 00:08:23,520 --> 00:08:25,240 they were kind of good. Is it like chopped? 165 00:08:25,400 --> 00:08:26,720 Yes, it's just like. Chopped. 166 00:08:26,720 --> 00:08:28,080 I love that. I love that so. 167 00:08:28,080 --> 00:08:30,280 They're just all chopped salads and they give you a tiny piece 168 00:08:30,280 --> 00:08:33,360 of bread that was this big. Yeah, like focaccia or 169 00:08:33,360 --> 00:08:35,960 something. So my per diem would cover 2 170 00:08:35,960 --> 00:08:38,080 salads. So I would order two salads. 171 00:08:38,080 --> 00:08:40,600 I would have one for dinner, and then I would have one for lunch 172 00:08:40,600 --> 00:08:42,840 the next day because I didn't have to leave my desk and go to 173 00:08:42,840 --> 00:08:44,880 the cafeteria. And I could just, you know, 174 00:08:44,880 --> 00:08:48,360 crank and work more. But all I ate were salads and I 175 00:08:48,360 --> 00:08:51,760 still gained weight because I never moved even though. 176 00:08:52,560 --> 00:08:55,400 I will say and poor sleep. Yes, terrible sleep. 177 00:08:55,400 --> 00:09:00,120 So this is this is to share a little bit of the lore of the 178 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:03,400 old Goldman days. This was that I was working at 179 00:09:03,400 --> 00:09:06,440 200 W, which is in Tribeca near Wall Street. 180 00:09:06,840 --> 00:09:10,280 And they designed that building so that you never have to leave, 181 00:09:10,840 --> 00:09:14,200 never have to leave. Because we had, you know, 182 00:09:14,440 --> 00:09:16,480 obviously we had the office, we had the cafeteria. 183 00:09:16,760 --> 00:09:22,760 We also had a doctor's office. So I would go from a 9:00 AM 184 00:09:23,840 --> 00:09:28,960 investment committee meeting to a 10 AM pap smear and then be 185 00:09:28,960 --> 00:09:32,160 back at my desk in time for our 11:00 AM client meeting with 186 00:09:32,160 --> 00:09:34,160 Invesco. That's so invasive. 187 00:09:35,720 --> 00:09:38,120 So you never had to leave. And also my point is there also 188 00:09:38,120 --> 00:09:41,960 was a gym, so they made the gym as easy as possible. 189 00:09:42,080 --> 00:09:44,800 They literally did I ever tell you this, They gave, they had 190 00:09:45,360 --> 00:09:48,880 Gray T-shirts so anyone could just wear you can go and you 191 00:09:48,880 --> 00:09:52,320 could wear the T-shirts and then they had shorts and socks for 192 00:09:52,320 --> 00:09:53,360 you. So all you had to bring was 193 00:09:53,360 --> 00:09:57,600 sneakers and then you could just wear the, the, the uniform, the 194 00:09:57,600 --> 00:09:59,560 workout uniform of Goldman Sachs. 195 00:09:59,840 --> 00:10:02,160 And then after you wear it, you throw it back in the hamper and. 196 00:10:02,160 --> 00:10:03,960 It's they launder. They launder it, yeah. 197 00:10:04,120 --> 00:10:05,760 And there were workout classes, etcetera. 198 00:10:05,760 --> 00:10:11,120 But my point is, even though I was participating in all that 199 00:10:11,120 --> 00:10:13,840 and going to workout classes, going to the spin classes where 200 00:10:13,840 --> 00:10:16,240 they made you wear a heart rate monitor and you compete against 201 00:10:16,240 --> 00:10:18,360 people. At work, Yes. 202 00:10:18,840 --> 00:10:21,560 Wow. It was very, it's like, almost 203 00:10:21,560 --> 00:10:27,960 like a, like a parody of itself. But even though I was doing all 204 00:10:27,960 --> 00:10:30,920 that, I still gained weight and I was so unhealthy because if 205 00:10:30,920 --> 00:10:33,800 you're working 90 to 100 hours, you're just not. 206 00:10:33,960 --> 00:10:36,560 Moving just especially at your desk body. 207 00:10:36,840 --> 00:10:41,440 And like, going to the gym for a 45 minute workout every day does 208 00:10:41,440 --> 00:10:43,960 not compensate for that. That's true. 209 00:10:44,480 --> 00:10:47,280 And when you're only sleeping, you know, four or five hours a 210 00:10:47,280 --> 00:10:50,400 night for years, multiple years on it. 211 00:10:50,400 --> 00:10:53,360 And then on the weekends, you are kind of crazed. 212 00:10:53,360 --> 00:10:54,440 So you're like, I need to go out. 213 00:10:54,440 --> 00:10:56,440 I need to socialize with people. I need to feel like I have a 214 00:10:56,440 --> 00:10:57,520 life. So then you just go out and 215 00:10:57,520 --> 00:11:00,240 party and then drink until the wee hours of the morning. 216 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:06,000 So a lot of it also just goes to say is about lifestyle in 217 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:08,200 general. And I think a lot of it is 218 00:11:08,200 --> 00:11:13,600 determined by your work, where you live and who your friends 219 00:11:13,600 --> 00:11:15,440 are, what sort of activities you do with them. 220 00:11:15,840 --> 00:11:16,560 It's. Interesting. 221 00:11:16,600 --> 00:11:19,400 I mean your per diem like you did spend it on salad which is 222 00:11:19,400 --> 00:11:22,360 like good. Literally just salad, but then 223 00:11:22,360 --> 00:11:25,400 also. People, I know, people don't 224 00:11:25,400 --> 00:11:27,680 always spend it on salad. They like, can spend it on like, 225 00:11:28,040 --> 00:11:30,880 you know, Chinese food or Thai food or like Italian food, like 226 00:11:30,960 --> 00:11:32,320 like you chose the healthy option. 227 00:11:32,320 --> 00:11:33,600 What do you think about Chinese food? 228 00:11:34,080 --> 00:11:38,360 It's greasy. It can be greasy, you know, like 229 00:11:38,360 --> 00:11:40,120 especially if you eat that every single cake out. 230 00:11:40,160 --> 00:11:42,640 Yeah, take out Chinese food. No, no, take out Chinese food on 231 00:11:42,640 --> 00:11:46,080 homemade. Why are you trying to start a 232 00:11:46,080 --> 00:11:48,680 fight right now? I'm just making a point that 233 00:11:48,680 --> 00:11:52,320 like, like when you, a lot of people just do take out food 234 00:11:52,320 --> 00:11:54,680 when they get a per diem and it's not the healthiest, right? 235 00:11:54,680 --> 00:11:56,920 Like you're getting a euro every night for dinner or something. 236 00:11:56,920 --> 00:11:58,040 Sure. Yeah. 237 00:11:58,040 --> 00:12:01,120 I mean, I was trying my best already on the the diet. 238 00:12:01,120 --> 00:12:02,600 Fraud, but what you could control? 239 00:12:02,600 --> 00:12:04,240 Yeah, but even that wasn't enough. 240 00:12:04,240 --> 00:12:06,920 And I think also generally probably all of us were so 241 00:12:06,920 --> 00:12:10,200 internally inflamed and just so. Oh yeah, that inflammation 242 00:12:10,200 --> 00:12:13,880 carrying around inflammation, weight, whatever that 243 00:12:14,600 --> 00:12:16,440 technically means scientifically, I'm not sure, 244 00:12:16,440 --> 00:12:19,240 but I'm just, I just feel that that was true. 245 00:12:19,280 --> 00:12:23,320 Yeah, I mean, it also goes to just, it goes to show it's like 246 00:12:23,320 --> 00:12:27,960 food, so diet, exercise, sleep. It's like not there's not like a 247 00:12:27,960 --> 00:12:30,600 one, you know, like silver bullet. 248 00:12:30,600 --> 00:12:32,920 It's like a combination of so many different things that 249 00:12:33,800 --> 00:12:37,600 create a healthy lifestyle and also in our lives we've like 250 00:12:37,600 --> 00:12:39,800 sometimes all of them are great, sometimes none of them are 251 00:12:39,800 --> 00:12:41,280 great, sometimes one of them is great. 252 00:12:41,320 --> 00:12:43,200 Yeah. And I think the most important 253 00:12:43,200 --> 00:12:48,520 thing is to be able to find some version of a routine that fits 254 00:12:48,520 --> 00:12:53,400 your life today that you can keep going as a routine. 255 00:12:55,040 --> 00:12:57,280 And having like a lot of intentionality with it, like the 256 00:12:57,280 --> 00:13:00,680 three that I named, I would say like the 4th is what stress, 257 00:13:01,040 --> 00:13:04,080 like amount of stress in your life, the cortisol in your body, 258 00:13:04,320 --> 00:13:06,360 whether it's from work or family, whatever is causing you 259 00:13:06,360 --> 00:13:08,480 stress. Like it's sometimes up and 260 00:13:08,480 --> 00:13:11,560 sometimes it's down. So I think it's trying to look 261 00:13:11,560 --> 00:13:16,200 through each of those pillars of health and figure out which one 262 00:13:16,200 --> 00:13:19,080 do I want to work on right now. How can I set an intention? 263 00:13:19,080 --> 00:13:21,760 Because I think it's really hard if all of them are like really 264 00:13:22,080 --> 00:13:24,600 shitty right now, it's hard to tackle all of them at once. 265 00:13:24,920 --> 00:13:27,160 So one at a time, I think. Yeah. 266 00:13:27,160 --> 00:13:32,920 And also I think the answer that you come up with for what is my 267 00:13:32,920 --> 00:13:35,960 routine for each of these areas, it doesn't have to be the same 268 00:13:35,960 --> 00:13:38,360 for your entire life, right? It has to be something that 269 00:13:38,360 --> 00:13:41,560 works for you where you are so sustainable. 270 00:13:41,600 --> 00:13:47,560 Yeah, I remember my when I was at Goldman, my my associate 271 00:13:47,640 --> 00:13:51,680 Alexander Cochran because. Wow, name dropped right now. 272 00:13:52,000 --> 00:13:56,040 Who's great? Love him, but he tried to do 273 00:13:56,040 --> 00:14:00,200 this like fitness kick and he would go to Soul Cycle, which 274 00:14:00,200 --> 00:14:03,520 was all the rage obviously in 2010 and it was right across the 275 00:14:03,520 --> 00:14:07,040 street from Goldman. No, no coincidence there. 276 00:14:07,320 --> 00:14:09,280 But he was doing Soul Cycle 2A days. 277 00:14:09,320 --> 00:14:12,600 Oh my God. But it only lasted for a week, 278 00:14:12,640 --> 00:14:14,080 right? Because it's not sustainable. 279 00:14:14,560 --> 00:14:16,880 I mean, those don't work like the ones where you're just like 280 00:14:16,880 --> 00:14:21,560 crazed about it and like, that's not a long term solution. 281 00:14:21,560 --> 00:14:22,960 In fact, I think it'll burn you out. 282 00:14:22,960 --> 00:14:24,680 That's how burnout happens. Yeah. 283 00:14:24,880 --> 00:14:30,400 And so for me, looking back on it now, I kind of sort of 284 00:14:30,400 --> 00:14:33,040 assessing my own time. Those two years at Goldman, I 285 00:14:33,040 --> 00:14:35,280 don't know if I could have done any better, honestly. 286 00:14:35,280 --> 00:14:36,960 I was kind of just trying to survive. 287 00:14:36,960 --> 00:14:39,080 Yeah, right. And that's totally fair. 288 00:14:39,320 --> 00:14:40,880 Yeah. And so that was kind of how my 289 00:14:40,880 --> 00:14:45,280 body reacted to that very grueling time. 290 00:14:46,200 --> 00:14:49,480 And I kind of think I just did the best I could. 291 00:14:50,920 --> 00:14:53,680 But then when I moved to a different environment, when I 292 00:14:53,680 --> 00:14:57,360 started working on Zynga, then I had a little bit more control 293 00:14:57,360 --> 00:15:03,320 over my schedule, I guess. And that was when I started 294 00:15:03,360 --> 00:15:06,040 running almost every morning before work. 295 00:15:06,040 --> 00:15:09,560 So I would go into work, we had a gym, and I would change into 296 00:15:09,560 --> 00:15:12,240 my workout clothes. I would run outside, I would do 297 00:15:12,240 --> 00:15:15,960 a couple miles, come back, shower and then go up, get 298 00:15:15,960 --> 00:15:17,800 breakfast in the cafeteria. We were. 299 00:15:17,840 --> 00:15:20,200 Spoiled a la tech life. Yeah, tech life, we were very 300 00:15:20,200 --> 00:15:22,040 spoiled. And then bring it up to my desk 301 00:15:22,200 --> 00:15:27,600 and eat breakfast and work. So, yeah, it's I guess also 302 00:15:27,600 --> 00:15:32,800 don't be so hard on yourself if you're in a, a part, if you're 303 00:15:32,800 --> 00:15:36,720 in a time in your life when you just feel like I could not 304 00:15:36,720 --> 00:15:41,800 possibly do any better. Sometimes that is true. 305 00:15:43,240 --> 00:15:45,240 I need to work within your your your. 306 00:15:45,240 --> 00:15:50,520 Bounds Yeah, I think, I mean, I do this meditation like many 307 00:15:50,520 --> 00:15:52,640 times a week. It's one on Spotify and it's 308 00:15:52,640 --> 00:15:55,760 like the first thing it starts out is the the mantra is like, 309 00:15:56,040 --> 00:15:57,560 I'm doing the best I can every day. 310 00:15:57,760 --> 00:16:01,080 And if you truly believe that's where you're at, then like, what 311 00:16:01,080 --> 00:16:03,040 else do you have to give? You know what I mean? 312 00:16:03,040 --> 00:16:06,640 If you're doing, you're trying your best and your best, you 313 00:16:06,640 --> 00:16:08,760 know, sometimes it's up here, sometimes it's down here 314 00:16:08,760 --> 00:16:11,600 relative to each other. But things happen like life 315 00:16:11,600 --> 00:16:13,400 happens, babes. Yeah. 316 00:16:13,480 --> 00:16:15,840 So it's fine. Yeah, and this is coming from 317 00:16:15,840 --> 00:16:19,240 someone who I will say I have tried different. 318 00:16:20,200 --> 00:16:23,720 I don't know if you want to call it a fad diet, but back in the 319 00:16:23,720 --> 00:16:28,520 early twenty 10s juice cleanses were very popular. 320 00:16:28,680 --> 00:16:32,880 Do you remember that? Yes, OK, I was alive. 321 00:16:33,200 --> 00:16:35,560 OK, I was sentient. But you didn't have access to 322 00:16:35,560 --> 00:16:37,440 them, no. Because I was in 10th grade and 323 00:16:37,440 --> 00:16:39,440 I didn't have money. So how did you know about? 324 00:16:39,480 --> 00:16:41,800 Juice cleanses, I just, I've know they're a thing and they're 325 00:16:41,800 --> 00:16:44,080 also, people do them now too, like press juice. 326 00:16:44,080 --> 00:16:46,880 You can buy a set of stuff and do a juice cleanse. 327 00:16:46,880 --> 00:16:50,760 One of my old bosses, Eric, was into intermittent fasting and 328 00:16:50,760 --> 00:16:52,360 also juices and all that stuff too. 329 00:16:52,480 --> 00:16:56,760 Yeah, so my friends and I were my my coworkers who were also my 330 00:16:56,760 --> 00:16:59,640 friends. We would occasionally, every few 331 00:16:59,640 --> 00:17:01,640 months, we would commit to doing a juice cleanse. 332 00:17:01,640 --> 00:17:04,480 Together, is it not eating for a certain period of time and just 333 00:17:04,480 --> 00:17:05,200 drinking juice? Yeah. 334 00:17:05,200 --> 00:17:06,960 You just drink juice for X period of days. 335 00:17:06,960 --> 00:17:09,200 So we would either do it. I think we usually do it for 336 00:17:09,200 --> 00:17:11,880 three days. We're just actually pretty 337 00:17:11,880 --> 00:17:13,880 freaking long. I feel like it's not good for 338 00:17:13,880 --> 00:17:15,280 you. It's probably not good for you. 339 00:17:15,280 --> 00:17:17,599 I'm not saying it's it's good for you, I'm just saying this is 340 00:17:17,599 --> 00:17:21,280 what we did to try to reset. Nothing in this episode is 341 00:17:21,280 --> 00:17:23,800 medical advice, so we. Did it. 342 00:17:24,079 --> 00:17:26,319 We did it to try to sort of reset our relationship, 343 00:17:26,440 --> 00:17:28,720 relationship with food, which actually, to be honest, does 344 00:17:28,720 --> 00:17:32,560 kind of work because after a while you get so used to the act 345 00:17:32,560 --> 00:17:36,680 of eating that you sort of forget what it's like to be 346 00:17:36,680 --> 00:17:39,520 hungry. So those juice cleanses made me 347 00:17:39,520 --> 00:17:42,960 so hungry. And then afterwards I sort of 348 00:17:43,000 --> 00:17:46,480 ate less because I was more remembered that I had to wait to 349 00:17:46,480 --> 00:17:48,040 be hungry. It's mindful eating it. 350 00:17:48,120 --> 00:17:50,760 Was yeah, you're being more mindful to mindful eating. 351 00:17:50,760 --> 00:17:53,720 Yeah. But also we just kind of took it 352 00:17:53,720 --> 00:17:58,920 too much to the extreme because I remember one day, it was the 353 00:17:58,920 --> 00:18:02,480 last day of my juice cleanse. I had one day left, but we were 354 00:18:02,480 --> 00:18:07,240 flying to we were flying to Colorado to go skiing and Vail 355 00:18:07,240 --> 00:18:11,000 in Aspen and I didn't want to not sorry to Vail it in Beaver 356 00:18:11,000 --> 00:18:12,800 Creek and I didn't want to not finish my juice cleanse. 357 00:18:12,960 --> 00:18:17,840 So I packed all my bottles of juice juices into my ski bag and 358 00:18:17,840 --> 00:18:20,680 then I got there and even though we were skiing, I was still 359 00:18:20,680 --> 00:18:22,800 doing the juice cleanse and looking back on that now that. 360 00:18:22,800 --> 00:18:24,320 Was so dumb. That's so dumb. 361 00:18:24,320 --> 00:18:25,680 That was dumb. Did you faint? 362 00:18:26,400 --> 00:18:28,960 No, I didn't faint on the mountain, but I would. 363 00:18:28,960 --> 00:18:32,160 Have fainted I I like I can't even I like can't skip meals 364 00:18:32,160 --> 00:18:33,840 yeah. Well, I would supplement my 365 00:18:33,840 --> 00:18:36,960 juice cleanse sometimes if I was too hungry by drinking almond 366 00:18:36,960 --> 00:18:39,720 milk, I allowed myself additional almond. 367 00:18:39,920 --> 00:18:42,760 But this is just to give you guys some insight into. 368 00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:46,520 I do think that at times my relationship with food was 369 00:18:46,520 --> 00:18:50,200 disordered. You know, you don't really ever 370 00:18:50,200 --> 00:18:55,160 think about it that way because you're just so focused on the 371 00:18:55,160 --> 00:18:59,200 goal of being like, oh I want to get back to this weight or I 372 00:18:59,200 --> 00:19:03,600 want to look a certain way and feel my best that you do use 373 00:19:03,600 --> 00:19:08,560 really unnatural things like bring 6 glass bottles of juice 374 00:19:08,560 --> 00:19:11,600 cleanses to a. Ski Vale. 375 00:19:12,200 --> 00:19:17,440 Yeah. Yeah, I I have never had an 376 00:19:17,440 --> 00:19:22,680 extreme relationship with food or my body in that way. 377 00:19:22,960 --> 00:19:25,960 I've like, I've had times where I like gained a lot of weight, 378 00:19:26,200 --> 00:19:31,120 but I've always felt like in control knowing that like my 379 00:19:31,120 --> 00:19:35,400 weight and my relationship with stuff fluctuates and I know that 380 00:19:35,400 --> 00:19:39,400 things don't change overnight. Like I think a lot of the times. 381 00:19:39,400 --> 00:19:43,160 And since I've never had kind of like a bad relationship with it, 382 00:19:43,360 --> 00:19:49,200 like what I can imagine is that people might purge or not eat 383 00:19:49,200 --> 00:19:52,200 food because they think they can change something or gain control 384 00:19:52,200 --> 00:19:54,360 overnight. But I've always for some reason 385 00:19:54,360 --> 00:19:57,520 understood that I'm like, this takes weeks and months to like 386 00:19:57,520 --> 00:20:00,840 show progress. So like whenever I feel bad, and 387 00:20:00,840 --> 00:20:03,200 I do feel bad sometimes about my body, I don't always feel great 388 00:20:03,200 --> 00:20:05,520 about it. I'm like, OK, I need to start 389 00:20:05,520 --> 00:20:07,600 going to the gym more consistently. 390 00:20:07,840 --> 00:20:10,560 And especially this year I've created. 391 00:20:11,120 --> 00:20:14,040 A challenge for myself, which I basically gamified it where I'm 392 00:20:14,040 --> 00:20:17,840 like, I am trying to go to the gym 30 days in a row, which is 393 00:20:17,840 --> 00:20:21,160 really hard. I've gotten to 10 days in a row 394 00:20:21,640 --> 00:20:25,240 and then I, you know, need to reset because then I missed a 395 00:20:25,240 --> 00:20:27,880 day. But The thing is this challenge 396 00:20:27,880 --> 00:20:30,400 is not to punish myself. This challenge is so that I can 397 00:20:30,400 --> 00:20:32,640 try and go as many days as possible. 398 00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:34,440 And I'm so proud that I went 10 days in a row. 399 00:20:34,440 --> 00:20:35,920 I've never done that before in my life. 400 00:20:36,280 --> 00:20:38,880 Like even though I didn't hit the goal of 30 days, I am still 401 00:20:38,880 --> 00:20:43,400 like exceeding a new personal record every single time. 402 00:20:43,760 --> 00:20:48,200 And I think it just pushes me to continue going. 403 00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:51,120 I just thought of something. I actually lied. 404 00:20:51,120 --> 00:20:54,520 I did have a bad relationship with working out during the 405 00:20:54,520 --> 00:21:00,800 pandemic pandemic, the pandemic where I'm sometimes a little 406 00:21:00,800 --> 00:21:04,320 hard on myself. So that there's just one story 407 00:21:04,320 --> 00:21:09,040 where during the pandemic I had a Peloton and I I was really 408 00:21:09,040 --> 00:21:11,600 upset with it myself whenever I went on the Peloton and I didn't 409 00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:15,280 break a personal record, but. She didn't have a lot going on 410 00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:17,920 those days. She really needed something to 411 00:21:17,920 --> 00:21:18,920 focus on. Right. 412 00:21:18,920 --> 00:21:23,680 And so like, because I was so focused on trying to break a 413 00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:26,280 personal record, every single time I got on the the. 414 00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:28,240 Bike that's insane. It's insane. 415 00:21:28,240 --> 00:21:28,960 It's like. Totally. 416 00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:30,960 That's unhealthy. That's an unhealthy like 417 00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:33,440 relationship with it. I recognize that that I would 418 00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:35,880 like it would inhibit me from getting on the bike if I woke up 419 00:21:35,880 --> 00:21:38,640 like on the wrong side of the bed or I was just like, I don't 420 00:21:38,640 --> 00:21:41,400 feel 100% I'm not going to work out today because I don't even 421 00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:42,400 want to like try. Oh. 422 00:21:42,600 --> 00:21:43,360 My gosh. And. 423 00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:46,360 That's so extreme. So yes, that is I can be extreme 424 00:21:46,360 --> 00:21:49,120 like that, which is why with this 30 day workout challenge, 425 00:21:49,360 --> 00:21:52,280 I'm trying to be nicer to myself and be like, I didn't make it to 426 00:21:52,280 --> 00:21:54,560 30, I made it to 10. It's OK, We'll keep. 427 00:21:54,800 --> 00:21:58,120 The goal is to go consistently and now I feel the most 428 00:21:58,120 --> 00:22:01,560 consistent I've ever been. Kudos. 429 00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:04,000 Congratulations. Thank you. 430 00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:11,800 A question why can't you bake in some flexibility into your 30 431 00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:13,960 days? Why can't you say 30 days, but I 432 00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:18,520 get to take, you know, five days off at some point in those 30 433 00:22:18,520 --> 00:22:20,800 days because that would be reasonable. 434 00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:23,520 Because I'm not a flexible first thing. 435 00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:27,240 And then you could actually reach the 30 days because I feel 436 00:22:27,240 --> 00:22:30,360 like it's fine if you feel positive about hitting the 10 437 00:22:30,360 --> 00:22:34,040 days, but I feel like 30 days in a row, it's kind of impossible 438 00:22:34,040 --> 00:22:35,680 unless you're literally a bodybuilder. 439 00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:39,040 It's quite impossible because also Gene and I travel a lot, so 440 00:22:39,040 --> 00:22:41,800 there are days where like I can't hit the gym or but I don't 441 00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:44,960 know, maybe that's an excuse. Like if I do fly or like on a 442 00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:48,120 day, like I could go out and like walk or run for a mile. 443 00:22:48,120 --> 00:22:50,080 Like that's not the end. Like, you know, I could do that. 444 00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:52,920 OK, so don't hurt your back well. 445 00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:57,920 My back pain, it's gone now and hopefully it stays gone. 446 00:22:58,120 --> 00:23:02,440 But it may have been because she went to the gym 10 days in a row 447 00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:05,480 and played golf in sub zero. I mean sub freezing 448 00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:07,760 temperatures. Yeah, I am a little bit intense. 449 00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:11,040 So I take back that I don't have a problems because sometimes I 450 00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:14,880 create problems for myself. I could bake in some more 451 00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:18,800 flexibility, but I am not a very flexible or forgiving person to 452 00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:22,600 myself sometimes. And I I do go, I do go a bit 453 00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:25,680 more extreme. Yeah, I like. 454 00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:29,800 Right now I like this goal. I think I should be open for it 455 00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:31,680 to change. Like it gives me something to 456 00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:35,200 strive for and if I'm not like that upset that I miss it then I 457 00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:37,720 think it's fine. I think as long as the goal 458 00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:42,040 still allows you to feel successful, yes, even if you 459 00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:44,640 don't actually reach it, then it's fine. 460 00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:46,760 You seem to feel positive. I do. 461 00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:50,320 As opposed to the Peloton goal. That was like weird and insane. 462 00:23:50,360 --> 00:23:51,720 Yeah. That was not good at all. 463 00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:52,760 I recognize that. Yeah. 464 00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:54,840 I was like, I can't even didn't work out today because I don't 465 00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:56,880 feel good because I'm not going to reach a personal record. 466 00:23:58,800 --> 00:24:00,040 That was intense. That's weird. 467 00:24:00,120 --> 00:24:05,680 Yeah, it's weird. I will say I do think my 468 00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:09,680 relationship with my body has evolved and changed over time in 469 00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:12,320 that. Well, one, I stopped weighing 470 00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:17,840 myself every day, partially because my scale ran out of 471 00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:20,680 batteries. But that was like a year ago or 472 00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:23,160 something. And I have it gone out of my way 473 00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:25,480 to replace it. I try not to weigh myself 474 00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:27,240 anymore. Yeah. 475 00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:30,800 And I think, I think for me, the reason why I'm OK with it is 476 00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:34,640 because I have a better sense of my own body now. 477 00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:38,400 Whereas before I was relying on this external metric, which was 478 00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:41,360 the scale and the metric, literally the numbers that 479 00:24:41,360 --> 00:24:45,200 showed up on the scale to tell me if I was doing a good job and 480 00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:47,800 to tell me if I felt good, right. 481 00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:50,680 So the way that I would feel from day-to-day would depend on 482 00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:52,240 what numbers showed up on the scale. 483 00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:56,120 So that was a little bit it, it was me kind of trying to take 484 00:24:56,120 --> 00:25:02,800 control of something versus now I can sort of I have a better 485 00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:04,960 understanding of my own body, I think. 486 00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:09,080 And I can say to myself, oh, I feel good today. 487 00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:13,520 I feel strong. I feel, you know, lean and, and 488 00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:16,680 thin and I feel and look good versus sometimes I don't. 489 00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:23,200 And then also, I think I'm also more aware of the fluctuations 490 00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:25,600 of season to season and day-to-day. 491 00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:29,880 So I used to try to stick very strictly to my goal weight, 492 00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:34,920 which doesn't really make sense from season to season. 493 00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:39,840 Now I'm more comfortable with a winter weight and a summer 494 00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:44,600 weight for the first time ever, which I'd never, ever allowed 495 00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:48,440 myself to have that concept of, whereas I was just always trying 496 00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:50,440 to be my summer weight all year long. 497 00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:53,080 But I think in reality, the weather has to be a winter 498 00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:54,920 weight. The way that you move around, 499 00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:57,560 the way that how much light there is available in the day. 500 00:25:57,560 --> 00:25:59,360 Yeah, yeah. It's different. 501 00:25:59,360 --> 00:26:03,720 So you can't have the same exact goal without changing your 502 00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:07,560 activity or eating habits drastically in the winter as 503 00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:10,200 opposed to what you would naturally do in the summer. 504 00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:16,320 So I guess I'm saying that I've become more flexible and 505 00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:19,520 forgiving. Yeah, quote UN quote of myself 506 00:26:20,360 --> 00:26:25,120 versus back when I had just really rigid and flexible 507 00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:31,480 expectations of my own body that were very numbers and metrics 508 00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:36,000 driven as opposed to more qualitative and intuition and 509 00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:36,920 intuition. Driven. 510 00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:39,040 Yes. Yeah, Something I love. 511 00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:41,760 One of your best friends does this. 512 00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:45,720 She buys clothes in 2 sizes. Who? 513 00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:51,680 She goes to Reformation. Oh, she goes to Reformation. 514 00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:54,840 God, I told you that so. If I tell you that, or I told 515 00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:57,160 you that, she told me that. You told me that, Yeah. 516 00:26:57,160 --> 00:27:04,760 So if I had the expendable income to do this for all my 517 00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:07,440 clothes, I would, yes. But like, it's so smart. 518 00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:09,960 And if you have the expendable income, you should totally do 519 00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:11,400 this. Is that if you find something 520 00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:14,320 that you love, a dress or whatever, buy it in two sizes, 521 00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:18,120 the size that you're now wearing and the one that's up or down 522 00:27:18,120 --> 00:27:21,360 from where you could be. Yes, you know, that does remind 523 00:27:21,360 --> 00:27:24,240 me. I have also kind of done that a 524 00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:26,880 little bit too, where now I'm more comfortable with buying 525 00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:32,960 pants that are a bigger number than what I used to be for 526 00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:37,400 different times in the year or different even, like different 527 00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:38,840 parts of your cycle. True. 528 00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:41,800 Right. So I used to be so fixated on, 529 00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:45,400 oh, I am a 26 so I'm going to get the 26. 530 00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:49,400 Even when sometimes you just feel better or you look better 531 00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:53,000 in the the 27 or 28 or or whatever. 532 00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:58,520 So that was also kind of an evolution for me. 533 00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:03,000 I guess I didn't realize that my approach had evolved so much 534 00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:06,600 until upon reflection for this episode. 535 00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:08,200 You guys are getting the live learnings. 536 00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:11,360 Yeah. But I also think part of it is 537 00:28:11,360 --> 00:28:17,360 that now I'm more in control of my time, and so I know that I 538 00:28:17,360 --> 00:28:23,880 can definitely go work out consistently without having too 539 00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:26,960 many external things that would. Prevent control your. 540 00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:33,800 Timing, yeah, or I I'm able to make it happen so and like the 541 00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:39,040 workouts are suited to me versus before I was trying to do really 542 00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:42,160 crazy hit workouts all the time, which I think are just not 543 00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:44,400 suited to my body. I literally can't do. 544 00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:47,880 Hit, like, I don't know, kudos to people who do high intensity 545 00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:50,520 interval berries, right? Workouts. 546 00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:53,960 I used to do berries, but then. But it wasn't like I couldn't. 547 00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:56,760 It wasn't good for me. I would feel nauseous and I 548 00:28:56,760 --> 00:28:58,680 would feel very lightheaded. Yeah. 549 00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:00,440 And like I felt like I was going to throw up. 550 00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:02,240 Like, it like, hit is not good for me. 551 00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:04,680 Yeah. I used to do berries too, yeah. 552 00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:08,000 I think everyone like pushes themselves like do berries. 553 00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:10,560 I think it's really intense. I'm like out on berries. 554 00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:13,360 I've had like phases where I've gone very consistently. 555 00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:15,760 Love the Berry smoothies afterwards. 556 00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:18,640 They are so good. The music is really loud, so I 557 00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:20,480 always wear earplugs. I'm like that person who's 558 00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:23,880 wearing earplugs at Berry's. And also there's like, I don't 559 00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:28,440 know, 2530 people in a room and no individual attention from the 560 00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:30,480 instructor. So that like you're lifting 561 00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:33,400 these like heavy weights and like you could really injure 562 00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:35,640 yourself. I feel like I don't know, you 563 00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:37,360 know? And it's also really dark too. 564 00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:39,880 Oh, I like the darkness. I feel like I'm in the club. 565 00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:42,280 Yeah, I mean, I think that's what people like about it. 566 00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:44,720 It feels like you're at a party that you're working out, but I 567 00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:45,880 don't know. I'm out on berries. 568 00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:49,840 I've been going consistently to the gym, but my confession is 569 00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:53,160 that going to the gym is one of the hardest parts of my day. 570 00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:57,120 It always has been. So like I love how I feel after, 571 00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:01,960 after the gym, after working out, but getting there like if I 572 00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:05,640 could like lay in bed and sleep, lay in bed and scroll like I 573 00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:08,200 will like I know I'm just like super drawn to that. 574 00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:12,360 And so like, I like to go to the gym first thing in the morning 575 00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:16,680 because I like to get the hardest part of my day done 1st. 576 00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:21,760 And that's my way to really lock in the gym time. 577 00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:24,800 Otherwise, if I don't go early in the morning and it's like 5 578 00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:28,560 PMI will put it off and I'll be like, I'm not going to go. 579 00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:31,040 I just feel lazy and I can, I know I feel like that. 580 00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:35,040 So I, I love going early in the morning first thing. 581 00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:37,160 They say do the hardest thing first in your day. 582 00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:40,720 Some people it might be, you know, work career stuff. 583 00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:43,320 For me, it's literally going to the gym and I've also like 584 00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:44,960 talked to people too. They're like, I love how it 585 00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:47,520 feels to be at the gym. I love working out. 586 00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:49,560 I love that feeling at the push and the sweat. 587 00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:51,800 That's not me. Like I like how I feel 588 00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:54,840 afterwards, but it's not so much the activity itself. 589 00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:57,680 So I think that's like a really interesting distinction because 590 00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:02,400 I feel like I often give off vibes where I'm like, I'm such a 591 00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:05,760 workout girlie. I'm like sometimes, but like not 592 00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:09,280 all the time. So want to clear the air there? 593 00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:15,160 Yeah, I think that reminds me of I'm just the concept of being 594 00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:19,120 able to find what works for you. Because when Cherie goes to the 595 00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:23,120 gym, oftentimes she does a workout set that she just does 596 00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:25,240 it on her own. She has like a self-directed 597 00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:29,000 workout, which nowadays I almost never do a self-directed 598 00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:30,840 workout. Pretty much every time I went to 599 00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:32,400 the gym, I'm doing the gym class. 600 00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:37,840 And for me, it's very, very, very, very helpful to have that 601 00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:40,680 appointment mechanic to have a class that I've already signed 602 00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:42,920 up for and I can't miss. Otherwise I get a strike or 603 00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:45,200 whatever because that forces me to go to the gym. 604 00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:47,680 That's, that's the phase I'm in now. 605 00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:52,040 But you know, in previous times when I was working, I, I would 606 00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:55,120 go to the do my work out in the morning before work because then 607 00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:57,080 it was, you know, baked into the routine there. 608 00:31:57,280 --> 00:32:01,720 So I think it's just all about finding what works for you and 609 00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:04,400 what you can do that is repeatable. 610 00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:07,400 And it does take some experimentation. 611 00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:10,720 It's not like you just would automatically find something 612 00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:12,240 right away and it works right away. 613 00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:16,760 And sometimes it's, I think, also accepting that it could be 614 00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:21,760 a different thing than before because I used to run 3456 miles 615 00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:26,040 a day, which is crazy to me now because I never run anymore. 616 00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:29,760 But that used to be my primary work out of choice. 617 00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:33,680 Yeah, I think like it's OK that working out happens in different 618 00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:36,960 phases for of your life. Like I used to be really into 619 00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:41,320 like half marathons as well, really into running, but I think 620 00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:43,720 everyone also like kind of has a running phase. 621 00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:46,680 Some people stick with it, but it's also helpful if you guys 622 00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:50,040 have I, I remember there's a time where I hadn't run more 623 00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:54,200 than three miles before in my life, which is like so insane. 624 00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:56,200 Like I don't know, it's like I feel like a normal thing to be 625 00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:58,960 able to run 3 miles. But then I haven't done that now 626 00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:02,080 in a long time. But it's interesting to sign up 627 00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:07,000 for 1/2 marathon or even A5KA12K, because then you have 628 00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:10,120 these milestones in your head and you have to, you know, 629 00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:13,160 gradually work up to it. So I've had a phase where I've 630 00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:16,080 done a couple of half marathons and I'm really proud of that. 631 00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:18,560 Yeah, very, very proud. It isn't good. 632 00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:22,120 I've used half marathons as a forcing function to basically 633 00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:25,560 scare myself into working out consistently because I don't 634 00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:30,240 want to just, you know, done it on the day and enjoy yourself. 635 00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:33,320 Yeah. And it has worked multiple times 636 00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:38,200 until it got to the point where I kind of was like, well, I 637 00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:39,960 don't have half marathons, I think I can do it. 638 00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:41,880 And I just did it. It didn't work as a forcing 639 00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:44,320 mechanism anymore. And then I basically winged it 640 00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:48,320 the day that I survived. But I would not recommend. 641 00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:50,560 It Oh my God, if you need a training plan, if you're going 642 00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:53,560 to do a half marathon, don't just I mean, if you don't work 643 00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:56,760 out right. Yeah, it is also a very fun 644 00:33:56,760 --> 00:34:00,240 thing to do with your friends to sign up for something for 1/2 645 00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:01,800 marathon or some sort of race with your friends. 646 00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:03,600 So you hold each other accountable and you can each 647 00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:06,680 other's workout buddies or training buddies. 648 00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:11,199 And then that takes me to the point where that I made earlier 649 00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:16,679 that a lot of times some of the components of, you know, your 650 00:34:16,679 --> 00:34:19,400 relationship with working out and eating and movement is about 651 00:34:19,639 --> 00:34:23,280 where you live and who your friends are and what your 652 00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:24,639 friends do. Who you surround yourself. 653 00:34:24,639 --> 00:34:26,159 Right. So when I was living in New 654 00:34:26,159 --> 00:34:29,800 York, all we did was the thing to do is go out and drink and 655 00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:32,159 eat. Whether it's brunch, drinks, 656 00:34:32,159 --> 00:34:34,480 dinner, pre turn drinks, post dinner, drinks, etcetera. 657 00:34:34,639 --> 00:34:39,600 That was just what people did versus when I lived in San 658 00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:43,560 Francisco or even living in Lai think these are much more 659 00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:46,880 daytime cities and it's much more normal to do an activity 660 00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:49,480 with your friend and say hey, let's go for a hike together or 661 00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:51,520 a bike walk, a bike or a walk or something. 662 00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:54,840 Yeah, yeah. I love SF for that reason. 663 00:34:54,840 --> 00:35:00,280 It is such. An an active city and not as 664 00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:02,400 much drinking, which I'm also a fan of. 665 00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:04,440 I've been like drinking way, way less. 666 00:35:05,720 --> 00:35:09,320 And yeah, I don't know, it's nice to be surrounded by people 667 00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:12,840 who are also active because when I, I felt like when I was in New 668 00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:16,560 York, even if I wanted to be active, it's like people like, 669 00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:19,760 oh, you want to go for a hike? Shouldn't we just go get brunch? 670 00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:22,640 Like there's less people who are interested in doing set 671 00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:26,840 activity. Yeah, so I guess wherever you 672 00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:30,800 live, one thing you can try to control for is finding more 673 00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:35,200 people who do want to do these activities with you as a form of 674 00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:38,760 hanging out like a pickleball league or. 675 00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:44,160 Like, you know, they have these like if you're, you know, out of 676 00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:47,200 school or whatever, like there are these like groups that you 677 00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:50,320 can join, especially like new grad leagues and stuff like 678 00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:53,800 that. I did join a dodgeball league. 679 00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:56,800 That was a mistake. I will not be doing that again 680 00:35:56,800 --> 00:35:59,320 in San Francisco. I thought you hated dodge. 681 00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:01,320 I hated that I I do hate dodge. It's a very. 682 00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:06,920 Traumatic dodgeball story I. I do hate dodgeball, I joined 683 00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:10,840 for the social element and didn't really enjoy the the 684 00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:13,000 sport but it was good to like see people and hang out with 685 00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:15,960 them. So anyways, there are like 686 00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:18,160 leagues. That you can join back to to to 687 00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:21,480 3rd grade. I I did, I did not enjoy the 688 00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:24,040 sport itself, but I would be down to join like a pickleball 689 00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:27,000 league now, like an actual like recurring thing. 690 00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:32,400 I'm going on a pickleball date tonight. 691 00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:35,480 Crossover with our dating episode. 692 00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:38,040 So. I just had to bring it. 693 00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:39,320 Up. I just had to bring it up. 694 00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:41,720 Just had to bring it up. I'm like only a little bit 695 00:36:41,720 --> 00:36:45,400 excited about it. Does the date include anything 696 00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:48,440 aside from pickleball? I'm not sure. 697 00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:50,920 I mean, I'm assuming there's going to be a. 698 00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:54,160 Dinner after, Yeah. Like a casual dinner. 699 00:36:54,240 --> 00:36:55,880 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Maybe we'll get something to eat 700 00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:59,840 afterwards, but I'm excited. I think it's really fun to do 701 00:36:59,840 --> 00:37:01,960 active dates with people. Yeah. 702 00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:03,600 I agree, especially because we like to. 703 00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:08,240 I love pickleball and it's kind of fun like having a pickleball 704 00:37:08,240 --> 00:37:10,480 partner because then you can see if you have pickleball chemistry 705 00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:12,840 like how you guys, what have you guys. 706 00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:16,160 I get what you mean. I get what you. 707 00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:18,720 Mean I play pickleball a lot with my ex too. 708 00:37:19,720 --> 00:37:22,800 Yeah, pickleball and tennis. At Stanford. 709 00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:25,960 And so it's like really it. Must be nice. 710 00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:29,840 That was like she lived on a resort and was a retiree. 711 00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:31,800 Well, it was fun. Because like once you have a 712 00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:34,960 pickleball partner, you guys can like there's like banter, you 713 00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:37,080 guys like talk to one another, there's communication. 714 00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:40,040 And usually the people that I play with are much better than 715 00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:43,760 me and I'm like good. But like I people I play with 716 00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:45,720 just much better than me. So they can kind of like coach 717 00:37:45,720 --> 00:37:48,840 me And I'm like, really, I like improving and being challenged 718 00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:50,040 in that way. Same, same. 719 00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:51,840 And so that's why I think this pickleball date. 720 00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:53,760 I hope this person is good. If not. 721 00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:57,200 Off with his head. I'm just kidding. 722 00:37:57,280 --> 00:38:01,440 That's that's a joke. Back to the bench, warmer 723 00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:06,000 position. But yes, yeah, I like, I like to 724 00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:10,520 play tennis. That's a thing. 725 00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:13,000 I can't. We can cut that. 726 00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:17,840 OK, so the last topic I want to talk about is about diet. 727 00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:21,000 And it's something that Gina and I are doing and something you 728 00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:22,920 can do too if you find it interesting. 729 00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:26,000 So I watched a documentary on a Delta flight. 730 00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:29,000 It's like a master class on gut health. 731 00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:31,520 Gut health is all the rage right now. 732 00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:35,080 Basically this documentary is just like what you eat is so 733 00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:39,320 important for everything in your body, for all the functions. 734 00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:42,440 It helps control your sleep, it help it controls your attention. 735 00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:44,400 All this stuff is controlled by your gut. 736 00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:47,280 That's like, you know, the newest, hottest thesis that 737 00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:52,000 people are working on. And so the thinking is that your 738 00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:56,200 gut microbiome, it has a bunch of good bacteria and it needs to 739 00:38:56,200 --> 00:39:00,800 feed on a really diverse set of foods. 740 00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:07,080 And so people should target 40 different fruits and vegetables, 741 00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:09,120 legumes and nuts. Like all these different Whole 742 00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:13,000 Foods should be in your body so that your gut microbiome can 743 00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:15,880 respond to it and have different things feed it. 744 00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:20,800 This is Cherie's new platform. She's like been talking about 745 00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:23,240 this a lot. This is not sponsored. 746 00:39:23,240 --> 00:39:24,360 I don't know who would sponsor her. 747 00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:28,040 Big fruit, big, big veggie. Send me strawberries. 748 00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:29,920 This is. An avocado. 749 00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:36,360 This is this is giving Michelle Obama so her her campaign was 750 00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:38,720 about moving was. It no, I thought it was about 751 00:39:38,720 --> 00:39:41,760 like she did the garden like Oh yeah, yeah, it was about it was 752 00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:44,440 about both anti obesity, no. Yes, yes, OK. 753 00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:47,400 Wasn't that Melania's as well? No Melania's was be best. 754 00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:50,560 No anti bull. It was anti bullying, anti 755 00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:53,040 Internet bullying. I shouldn't even say that with a 756 00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:56,400 straight face. Hello best Hello. 757 00:39:56,560 --> 00:40:01,960 Hello. Be best though. 758 00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:04,160 I like my suitcase. I like my suitcase. 759 00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:08,520 I like my suitcase so good. So anyways, 40 fruits and 760 00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:11,440 veggies. It's really hard to do, but 761 00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:14,480 again, I like to set stretch goals I guess and see if I can 762 00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:16,440 reach them. Yeah, as long as you're not 763 00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:18,360 upset when you don't reach them. Because that's the difference 764 00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:21,240 between me and Sheree's mindset. As you guys know, I make that 765 00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:27,480 annual list of goals for myself, but it is called 36 things to do 766 00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:31,240 on 36 but I actually make it a list of 70 items so that if I 767 00:40:31,240 --> 00:40:39,960 hit 36 then I reach 100% So that's what I need our. 768 00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:44,280 Ratios are a little different. It's relative, you know. 769 00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:46,600 That's what I need to feel successful. 770 00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:48,480 No, I'm just glad. Well, since The thing is like, 771 00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:49,880 I'm just glad. I'm just trying my best, you 772 00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:52,120 know what I mean? Like I'm just like, yeah. 773 00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:56,720 So sometimes, like, I've hit 40, we've hit 40 because I do a lot 774 00:40:56,720 --> 00:41:01,520 of the cooking in our house. We hit 40 for a couple of weeks, 775 00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:03,840 but then sometimes then it was like, oh, damn, this week is 776 00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:05,760 really hard. I didn't go grocery shopping. 777 00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:09,400 Yeah, we're like at 30. I don't know, like it's fine, 778 00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:13,200 but like I'm just trying my best and it's actually just so good 779 00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:16,160 to be just more intentional about what we're eating in terms 780 00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:19,720 of Whole Foods. Otherwise I feel like I love 781 00:41:19,720 --> 00:41:22,280 processed foods. Y'all, big processed foods. 782 00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:26,000 You did such a good job with like wiring how our brain works 783 00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:27,040 and what we. Crave. 784 00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:28,920 We ate a lot of Hot Pockets. Oh. 785 00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:30,480 My God. I say. 786 00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:34,120 Like the hot pockets? Jalapeno poppers? 787 00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:37,960 Jalapeno poppers. Wait, Hot Pockets, which was 788 00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:41,480 they had a really good flavor of like pepperoni pizza? 789 00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:43,880 Yes. And also there's like a morning 790 00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:46,040 Hot Pocket. You like open it up and put it 791 00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:48,080 in the sleeve and then put it in the microwave. 792 00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:51,480 Was broccoli cheddar was it? No, no, there was one. 793 00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:54,320 That I had ham and cheese that I had that I was thinking about. 794 00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:58,680 Yeah, but we, but we grew up our our mom was a single mom, so. 795 00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:02,320 A lot of microwavable foods. I also had a lot of TV dinners, 796 00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:06,040 which I actually loved. Like it was interesting because 797 00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:08,480 it was like meatloaf. It was like meatloaf and red 798 00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:12,080 sauce with green beans and mashed potatoes because we don't 799 00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:14,000 have that in our house. Yeah, we only ate Asian. 800 00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:16,960 We only ate Chinese food, Chinese food growing up, 801 00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:18,760 homemade Chinese food. So like, whenever I could have 802 00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:22,120 like American food, I was just like, meatloaf. 803 00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:25,960 And we didn't know that it was bad, but it didn't taste that 804 00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:28,040 bad, honestly, because they put so much, you know, they 805 00:42:28,240 --> 00:42:30,320 manufacture it so that it tastes good. 806 00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:32,760 Wait, I thought it tasted really It was like meatloaf and gravy 807 00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:34,400 and mashed potatoes. Yeah, yeah. 808 00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:37,920 But they, they like, they put all the chemicals and preserved 809 00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:39,640 stuff in it to make sure it tastes good. 810 00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:41,320 That's the whole point of it. Yes, exactly. 811 00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:43,800 So I guess. But we turned out fine. 812 00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:47,080 For now, doesn't We don't know how many microplastics we have 813 00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:49,480 in us still. So many microplastics. 814 00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:53,200 But I guess the point is, is that like Gina and I are just 815 00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:56,280 like, we're very human about it, you know, like we're very 816 00:42:56,280 --> 00:42:59,200 fallible. Like we have, we try our best to 817 00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:01,280 have our routines work out, eat healthy. 818 00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:04,760 We put these systems into place to try and have like guardrails 819 00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:07,960 because if we don't like, I know I'm not going to be eating the 820 00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:11,040 healthiest. That's a good way of that's a 821 00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:13,760 good way of describing IT systems and guardrails. 822 00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:16,360 And frameworks of like how to think through things because if 823 00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:19,560 I didn't have 40 fruits and veggies, I'd be la di da like I 824 00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:23,040 wouldn't be as mindful about it. And so I, I think it's honestly 825 00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:26,920 less about punishing ourselves for not doing it, but just being 826 00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:29,200 more intentional and thoughtful. Mine's all about. 827 00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:31,080 Punishing. I'm just kidding. 828 00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:36,200 No, mine is about, I think it's about feeling good in your body 829 00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:43,440 and just feeling strong and healthy and happy day-to-day. 830 00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:48,440 Mine is about forgiving myself and loving myself. 831 00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:52,400 Yeah, yeah. I mean, and also just to say not 832 00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:56,560 to be totally obtuse, right? The reason, at least for me, 833 00:43:56,560 --> 00:43:59,080 partially the reason why I do it is because I'm vain. 834 00:43:59,880 --> 00:44:03,840 Like no, not going to try to obfuscate that. 835 00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:05,040 At all? Yeah, I want to look good. 836 00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:07,560 I think I look better at a certain weight. 837 00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:10,760 I also feel better too. Yeah, I feel. 838 00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:15,760 Better Yeah, when I feel like I'm muscular and lean and. 839 00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:20,480 When I can climb stairs without losing breath, I actually love 840 00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:24,000 feeling healthy. The new mantra that I've 841 00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:28,400 developed over the last few years is strong, not skinny. 842 00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:30,160 I actually have it written right over there. 843 00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:33,880 Do you see it on that? Oh yes, I do. 844 00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:36,960 It says Cherie is strong campaign, right? 845 00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:40,560 Yeah, Cherie is strong and the word skinny is cut is crossed 846 00:44:40,560 --> 00:44:42,040 out. It's not for me. 847 00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:43,320 It's no longer about being skinny. 848 00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:45,040 It's about being strong and feeling strong. 849 00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:49,520 Yeah, Yeah. I think that's, that's all I had 850 00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:52,400 on the topic for now. But I guess we just wanted to 851 00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:55,600 share with you guys. We're not experts in health and 852 00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:58,120 nutrition and and fitness or anything. 853 00:44:58,120 --> 00:44:59,640 Like that, I'm no scientist. Yeah. 854 00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:03,040 This is just our lived experience and more than a few 855 00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:06,040 people asked and we want to be helpful and kind of share with 856 00:45:06,040 --> 00:45:09,640 you our struggles to get to where we got today and how we 857 00:45:09,640 --> 00:45:13,280 figured out what works for us, which again has changed over 858 00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:15,040 time. So I think, yeah, back to the 859 00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:18,320 idea of a lot of it is about experimentation and finding 860 00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:20,960 something that works for your routine and your lifestyle, 861 00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:22,320 knowing that that can change over. 862 00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:25,360 Time, absolutely, and. Whatever situation you're in 863 00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:28,240 today, it could you could always change it for the better. 864 00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:33,160 My take away here is that as long as you're trying your best 865 00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:35,800 for the situation that you're in, that's all you can do. 866 00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:38,680 And also you're the captain of your own ship. 867 00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:42,560 I don't expect changes. I don't expect changes to happen 868 00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:45,160 overnight and it's about consistency over time. 869 00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:48,960 Going to gym, the consistently over time, you know, eating 870 00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:51,280 healthy over time. I don't expect even if I feel 871 00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:54,920 like shit today, I know that if I do one thing today, it's not 872 00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:59,400 going to change by tomorrow. It's a delayed timeline and so 873 00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:02,760 it's just being consistent and building habits that you can 874 00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:03,800 stick with. Yeah. 875 00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:08,000 And that you need to have a strong foothold in each of the 876 00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:13,440 pillars of diet or, you know, nutrition, exercise and sleep. 877 00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:17,040 Because as we learned from my Just Salad experiment of two 878 00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:22,240 years of only eating just salad, literally diet alone will not 879 00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:24,320 help you get there. Will not, you know, allow you to 880 00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:26,680 fully get there. Yeah, I mean, we didn't even 881 00:46:26,680 --> 00:46:29,800 really touch on sleep, but I think asleep and or like 882 00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:32,560 controlling stress. That could be a future episode 883 00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:34,120 if you guys are interested in that. 884 00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:37,920 Eternal struggle. Jean Jean's. 885 00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:41,200 Biggest enemy is herself when it comes to sleep. 886 00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:45,080 That's true as in the last few years, yes. 887 00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:48,320 Well, thank you guys so much for tuning in to this episode of The 888 00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:50,920 Tiger Sisters. Please remember to like, 889 00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:53,760 comment, and subscribe. And if you found this episode 890 00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:56,680 helpful, we'd so appreciate it if you could share it with a 891 00:46:56,720 --> 00:46:58,400 friend. Thanks. 892 00:46:58,480 --> 00:47:00,320 See you. Bye.