1 00:00:00,480 --> 00:00:04,560 Hi everyone, welcome to this episode of Tiger Sisters. 2 00:00:05,160 --> 00:00:08,160 In this episode we're going to be talking about how we spent 3 00:00:08,320 --> 00:00:13,520 half $1,000,000 in total on our education getting our MBA S Was 4 00:00:13,520 --> 00:00:15,240 it worth it? So we've gotten a lot of 5 00:00:15,240 --> 00:00:18,120 questions about this topic, actually multiple mailbag 6 00:00:18,120 --> 00:00:20,840 entries, so I'll start with reading just one of them. 7 00:00:21,000 --> 00:00:22,920 Vinod asks. As someone who hasn't been to a 8 00:00:22,920 --> 00:00:25,920 Business School for an MBA, I'm curious to know what are some 9 00:00:25,920 --> 00:00:29,320 things that change for you as a person before and after MBA, 10 00:00:29,600 --> 00:00:33,760 personally for you both. This is something I think we'll 11 00:00:33,760 --> 00:00:36,560 dive into a little bit more, but just to tee it up, was Business 12 00:00:36,560 --> 00:00:38,720 School worth it? For me, Business School was a 13 00:00:38,720 --> 00:00:40,800 very like meaningful life experience. 14 00:00:41,040 --> 00:00:43,440 And just like when I talked to you on the phone with some of my 15 00:00:43,440 --> 00:00:46,920 like best friends who didn't go to Business School with me, 16 00:00:47,160 --> 00:00:49,840 they're like, wow, I can really hear in your voice like how 17 00:00:49,840 --> 00:00:53,080 grounded you are. You just sound so different 18 00:00:53,240 --> 00:00:55,440 before Business School and after Business School. 19 00:00:55,600 --> 00:00:58,040 And like, I can feel it in myself a little bit, but I think 20 00:00:58,040 --> 00:01:01,280 just getting a third party to be able to say that, like I talked 21 00:01:01,280 --> 00:01:04,360 to one of my best friends before Business School and we hadn't 22 00:01:04,480 --> 00:01:06,120 spoken in a long time. And she's like, Oh my God. 23 00:01:06,120 --> 00:01:09,600 I can kind of tell in this conversation you just like sound 24 00:01:09,600 --> 00:01:12,920 way more confident, way more self assured and just like way 25 00:01:12,920 --> 00:01:15,960 more confident in who you are and what you want to do. 26 00:01:15,960 --> 00:01:18,600 And I was like, yeah, I feel very aligned coming out of 27 00:01:18,600 --> 00:01:22,360 Business School now, having done that reflection and spent the 28 00:01:22,360 --> 00:01:25,600 time, like, figuring out what I want to do, what's important to 29 00:01:25,600 --> 00:01:27,640 me. I know I'm not alone in this. 30 00:01:27,840 --> 00:01:30,560 I've also talked to other classmates of mine who when they 31 00:01:30,560 --> 00:01:33,480 talk to their like former bosses, their bosses are just 32 00:01:33,480 --> 00:01:34,760 like wow you sound. Different. 33 00:01:34,800 --> 00:01:37,600 And is that because of the classes? 34 00:01:37,600 --> 00:01:40,240 Is that because of the people you meet? 35 00:01:40,240 --> 00:01:42,200 Like is it because of what you're learning? 36 00:01:42,200 --> 00:01:44,720 Like why specifically do you think that is? 37 00:01:45,320 --> 00:01:47,360 I think it's a mix of all of those things. 38 00:01:47,360 --> 00:01:49,600 It was just like the life experience of two years. 39 00:01:49,800 --> 00:01:52,920 Like I feel way more confident now that I've taken those 40 00:01:52,920 --> 00:01:55,400 classes. Like the wide variety of like 41 00:01:55,400 --> 00:02:00,040 finance, like econ, entertainment, accounting. 42 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:03,160 That's true. Like I have such a wider breadth 43 00:02:03,320 --> 00:02:06,120 of knowledge and topic areas that I can speak to. 44 00:02:06,120 --> 00:02:08,759 Like I just feel more confident and knowledgeable as a person 45 00:02:09,360 --> 00:02:14,800 and I feel very grounded at GSP. There is so much emphasis on 46 00:02:14,800 --> 00:02:17,960 like, who are you and what do you care about and how do you 47 00:02:17,960 --> 00:02:19,480 want to leave your impression in this world? 48 00:02:19,480 --> 00:02:23,000 So that I spent two years basically like figuring that out 49 00:02:23,040 --> 00:02:26,880 so that I could, you know, once I was released in June, go out, 50 00:02:26,880 --> 00:02:29,800 go forth and and do. Yeah. 51 00:02:29,800 --> 00:02:33,160 I think what a lot of people say about Business School, or like a 52 00:02:33,160 --> 00:02:36,960 common phrase is they say that you learn enough to be dangerous 53 00:02:37,080 --> 00:02:41,720 in every field, right? So that's like something where I 54 00:02:41,760 --> 00:02:44,600 think about like accounting. Am I ever going to be an 55 00:02:44,600 --> 00:02:45,600 accountant? No. 56 00:02:45,880 --> 00:02:50,160 Am I ever going to myself, like apply the skills of accounting, 57 00:02:50,160 --> 00:02:52,920 like pen to paper? Hopefully not. 58 00:02:53,800 --> 00:02:56,960 But I do feel like because I took accounting in Business 59 00:02:56,960 --> 00:03:01,320 School, I know enough to know if something is going to be like 60 00:03:01,320 --> 00:03:03,360 totally off. I know if something is going to 61 00:03:03,360 --> 00:03:07,360 be totally wrong. And I think it's true for just 62 00:03:07,360 --> 00:03:11,080 like a lot of fields, like for you, I know you would never for 63 00:03:11,080 --> 00:03:13,480 example, like you took a real estate class, right? 64 00:03:13,480 --> 00:03:18,000 That was very eye opening for you because you had never had 65 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:20,920 any sort of an exposure. To a real estate? 66 00:03:20,920 --> 00:03:23,360 Not at all. It was real estate investing, 67 00:03:23,680 --> 00:03:25,840 talking about commercial real estate. 68 00:03:26,000 --> 00:03:27,200 Right. And you're only investing 69 00:03:27,200 --> 00:03:30,760 experience was in venture capital which is super early 70 00:03:30,760 --> 00:03:34,360 stage and usually you know like pixels like a lot of it is zeros 71 00:03:34,360 --> 00:03:38,440 and ones as opposed to like hard assets, which is like commercial 72 00:03:38,440 --> 00:03:40,600 real estate is like the total opposite of that. 73 00:03:41,000 --> 00:03:44,880 Complete 180 and it was fascinating because commercial 74 00:03:44,880 --> 00:03:48,200 real estate or I just real estate in its in it of itself is 75 00:03:48,200 --> 00:03:51,360 just like a vertical that's so different from any other type of 76 00:03:51,360 --> 00:03:55,000 investing. And like the vocabulary used, 77 00:03:55,280 --> 00:03:58,240 like how you go about a deal, how people make money from real 78 00:03:58,240 --> 00:04:01,880 estate is just like so different from like software, which I've 79 00:04:01,880 --> 00:04:04,520 been, you know, in the world of for over 5. 80 00:04:04,520 --> 00:04:06,800 Years exactly and I think you touched on a really good point 81 00:04:06,800 --> 00:04:08,440 there. You literally just said the word 82 00:04:08,640 --> 00:04:12,400 the vocabulary used cuz like think about it, if you know the 83 00:04:12,400 --> 00:04:16,959 vocabulary of a certain field or an industry like you're already 84 00:04:16,959 --> 00:04:21,600 light years ahead of someone who has never like been expert. 85 00:04:21,600 --> 00:04:23,160 Of the term. Yeah, never been exposed to it. 86 00:04:23,160 --> 00:04:27,280 So that way, like let's say Sheree goes to, you know, she 87 00:04:27,280 --> 00:04:32,360 has a meeting where somehow like real estate is a relevant topic. 88 00:04:32,680 --> 00:04:35,240 Or like let's say we're building our company and we end up 89 00:04:35,480 --> 00:04:38,480 wanting to do something with like a commercial footprint. 90 00:04:38,840 --> 00:04:40,920 Like that's already somewhere where like you're going to go 91 00:04:40,920 --> 00:04:43,360 into that meeting knowing the terms, right? 92 00:04:43,360 --> 00:04:45,320 Like what are some of the terms that people would say? 93 00:04:45,600 --> 00:04:48,240 Totally. Or like for example, let's say 94 00:04:48,240 --> 00:04:52,120 Jean and I open up like a cafe or something and it's like. 95 00:04:54,040 --> 00:04:55,880 Let's say we open up a retail spot. 96 00:04:56,120 --> 00:05:00,040 Let's say we open up a retail spot like a cafe that would be 97 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:01,760 like an amazing, like dream of mine. 98 00:05:01,760 --> 00:05:03,880 But like, what do you need to ask? 99 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:05,680 And like, who are your competitors? 100 00:05:05,680 --> 00:05:09,480 And like, for example, if our cafe were like within a mall 101 00:05:09,760 --> 00:05:14,040 versus within like a strip mall, like, or, you know, on just like 102 00:05:14,040 --> 00:05:16,600 a really busy St. What are the different things to 103 00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:18,640 consider? Like what is the, is it near a 104 00:05:18,640 --> 00:05:20,480 hotel? Like is there a lot of foot 105 00:05:20,480 --> 00:05:22,920 traffic there? What are the vacancy rates? 106 00:05:22,920 --> 00:05:25,040 Like is this a happening spot? How close is the airport? 107 00:05:25,040 --> 00:05:28,320 Like, whoa, all this stuff that I've never even thought about. 108 00:05:28,320 --> 00:05:31,400 And that's not to say that we wouldn't work with like a, you 109 00:05:31,400 --> 00:05:34,160 know, commercial real estate lawyer or like an Asian or 110 00:05:34,160 --> 00:05:37,560 someone who's an actual like expert who does a day in and day 111 00:05:37,560 --> 00:05:39,360 out. But once again, like, we know 112 00:05:39,360 --> 00:05:42,040 enough to be dangerous. Like we go into those 113 00:05:42,040 --> 00:05:46,280 conversations having some base level of understanding and 114 00:05:46,280 --> 00:05:50,360 feeling, I guess, unafraid. Like unafraid, well equipped and 115 00:05:50,360 --> 00:05:53,040 like just knowing what are the right things to ask so that like 116 00:05:53,640 --> 00:05:56,800 if there are people who we're working with who are like trying 117 00:05:56,800 --> 00:05:59,520 to pull one over us or like, I don't know, take advantage 118 00:05:59,520 --> 00:06:01,600 because like, and we're, I don't know, whatever. 119 00:06:01,840 --> 00:06:05,400 Like yeah, no. Because we look weak. 120 00:06:05,400 --> 00:06:09,400 No one kidding. And then on the flip side, you 121 00:06:09,400 --> 00:06:12,960 also took some classes such as like stand up, right? 122 00:06:12,960 --> 00:06:15,040 Then you take improv. You took an improv? 123 00:06:15,040 --> 00:06:18,160 Class Yes, I took a theater class at Stanford. 124 00:06:18,400 --> 00:06:21,920 It was incredible. It was called the Spirit of Play 125 00:06:22,120 --> 00:06:25,360 and it was all about how do you bring play and playfulness and 126 00:06:25,360 --> 00:06:28,040 back into the everyday? How do you bring it into work 127 00:06:28,040 --> 00:06:30,640 and to teams, and how does that make them more productive? 128 00:06:32,400 --> 00:06:36,080 Like, I've never taken a series of improv classes like this 129 00:06:36,080 --> 00:06:38,360 before. And one, it was very fun. 130 00:06:38,360 --> 00:06:42,600 Two, it was just like a way to broaden my horizons and also my 131 00:06:42,600 --> 00:06:45,280 skill set in a way that I wouldn't have done otherwise. 132 00:06:45,360 --> 00:06:47,280 Yeah. And, and one thing I really 133 00:06:47,280 --> 00:06:50,320 admire about you is I think you're an incredible public 134 00:06:50,320 --> 00:06:54,400 speaker and like you can just like speak on anything, like off 135 00:06:54,400 --> 00:06:55,920 the cuff. Extemporaneously. 136 00:06:55,960 --> 00:06:59,840 Extemporaneously so like is this something that you think does 137 00:06:59,840 --> 00:07:01,520 it? Did this improv class, like, 138 00:07:01,520 --> 00:07:04,920 help you or gave you an opportunity to, like, practice 139 00:07:04,920 --> 00:07:06,720 it more? Like, I know you did the class 140 00:07:06,720 --> 00:07:09,560 before your Ted Talk. Yeah, your Ted talk was amazing. 141 00:07:10,400 --> 00:07:14,480 Oh, the Ted Talk was so unlike anything I've ever done in my 142 00:07:14,480 --> 00:07:16,280 life. I was so incredibly hard. 143 00:07:16,320 --> 00:07:19,200 But I just imagine that the fact that you did this improv class 144 00:07:19,200 --> 00:07:21,000 before it like it must have helped. 145 00:07:21,760 --> 00:07:24,480 Yes, I think so more subconsciously than like a one 146 00:07:24,480 --> 00:07:26,560 to one link. But the improv class, like we 147 00:07:26,560 --> 00:07:30,280 just played games every single class and honestly it was a way 148 00:07:30,280 --> 00:07:35,120 for me to do cringe things and then not feel cringe about it. 149 00:07:35,360 --> 00:07:38,120 Like the class, the games were so silly they'd be like. 150 00:07:38,120 --> 00:07:41,120 I need that they'd be like. You would just do weird things 151 00:07:41,120 --> 00:07:44,960 with your body and we'd play it with different scenes and kind 152 00:07:44,960 --> 00:07:46,800 of act, play, act with each other. 153 00:07:47,080 --> 00:07:51,000 But it was just a way for me to get more comfortable with my 154 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:56,560 body in space and like, using the space around me. 155 00:07:56,840 --> 00:08:00,480 Whereas, like, I didn't realize how uncomfortable I felt before 156 00:08:00,480 --> 00:08:03,120 then, like with my body. Yeah. 157 00:08:03,160 --> 00:08:04,320 If that makes sense. Yes. 158 00:08:04,640 --> 00:08:07,960 I feel like one way I would summarize what you said and one 159 00:08:08,720 --> 00:08:12,520 and what you've told me before is that for you, like Business 160 00:08:12,520 --> 00:08:16,280 School was just a way to really like expand your horizons and 161 00:08:16,280 --> 00:08:19,720 like fill in the gaps of all the different areas where you 162 00:08:19,720 --> 00:08:22,800 thought you could sort of like up level your knowledge, right? 163 00:08:22,800 --> 00:08:25,400 Because like you had a very specific knowledge base going 164 00:08:25,400 --> 00:08:26,920 in. You had been a product manager 165 00:08:27,120 --> 00:08:29,920 at LinkedIn for a long time. So like that was your expertise. 166 00:08:29,920 --> 00:08:33,320 You were an amazing, like really high performing product manager 167 00:08:33,640 --> 00:08:36,360 and you briefly worked in VC investing. 168 00:08:36,440 --> 00:08:38,559 Yeah, but you were like, these are all the other areas. 169 00:08:38,880 --> 00:08:41,919 I guess people say like I want more tools for my tool belt or 170 00:08:41,919 --> 00:08:43,200 something like that. Yeah. 171 00:08:43,200 --> 00:08:45,040 I that's a really good way to summarize it. 172 00:08:45,040 --> 00:08:48,880 I would say also that like Business School, because I was 173 00:08:48,880 --> 00:08:51,560 so intentional going in about it, I was like, these are the 174 00:08:51,560 --> 00:08:55,360 places where I feel that I could really work on. 175 00:08:55,360 --> 00:08:56,880 I could really grow. What were they? 176 00:08:57,000 --> 00:08:59,480 One example, just like this is not even like an interest area 177 00:08:59,480 --> 00:09:03,080 or an academic area. It's like socially, like I 178 00:09:03,080 --> 00:09:05,720 wanted to grow socially and I wanted to. 179 00:09:05,720 --> 00:09:07,880 What does that mean? I applied after the pandemic, 180 00:09:07,880 --> 00:09:11,080 and I was really sad during the pandemic because I was living 181 00:09:11,120 --> 00:09:13,400 with my mom for a year, which was an amazing experience. 182 00:09:13,600 --> 00:09:16,440 But I didn't meet anyone new and I felt really lonely, really 183 00:09:16,440 --> 00:09:17,960 sad. That's why she was making so 184 00:09:17,960 --> 00:09:21,160 many Tik toks and videos online. I was like, these are my 185 00:09:21,160 --> 00:09:25,200 friends, my online friends. Well, so I just felt super mom, 186 00:09:25,200 --> 00:09:26,920 I'm talking to my Internet friend. 187 00:09:26,920 --> 00:09:28,520 I'm talking. To my friend's mom. 188 00:09:29,040 --> 00:09:31,920 So yes. So like the gaps that I had in 189 00:09:31,920 --> 00:09:35,400 my life. Interest area based socially 190 00:09:35,760 --> 00:09:38,600 meeting professors. Like, I don't know how I quite 191 00:09:38,600 --> 00:09:41,760 quantify that, but I identified there were gaps in my life and 192 00:09:41,760 --> 00:09:44,600 it felt like Business School could fill in those gaps and 193 00:09:44,600 --> 00:09:46,600 like add to my tool belt in that way. 194 00:09:47,000 --> 00:09:50,120 Yeah, that is one thing that I do think Business School is very 195 00:09:50,120 --> 00:09:53,280 different from other grad schools is that there is a very 196 00:09:53,640 --> 00:09:58,120 intentional aspect of going in to meet new people, of going in 197 00:09:58,120 --> 00:10:02,200 to learn from your classmates, learn from your professors, 198 00:10:02,520 --> 00:10:05,720 build out like this sort of new community and really grow from 199 00:10:05,720 --> 00:10:07,760 that. The reason why it's different is 200 00:10:07,760 --> 00:10:11,600 because everybody recognizes that going in, everyone going in 201 00:10:11,600 --> 00:10:14,480 knows that that's such a valuable part of your Business 202 00:10:14,480 --> 00:10:17,040 School experience. It's that local aspect. 203 00:10:17,040 --> 00:10:19,080 Yeah, that everyone's really like, bought into it. 204 00:10:19,120 --> 00:10:22,720 As opposed to when I was attending HBS, one of my best 205 00:10:22,720 --> 00:10:25,800 friends was at Harvard Law School at the same time, and 206 00:10:25,800 --> 00:10:28,640 then one of my other best friends was at the Harvard Ed 207 00:10:28,640 --> 00:10:31,760 School at the same time, and like the three of us just had 208 00:10:31,760 --> 00:10:37,120 like such different experiences. Other grad schools are often 209 00:10:37,120 --> 00:10:40,320 much more like academically oriented. 210 00:10:40,760 --> 00:10:42,560 Totally. Well, I mean, there's a reason 211 00:10:42,560 --> 00:10:45,320 why people joke that, like Business School students are 212 00:10:45,320 --> 00:10:47,480 partying all the time. It's like, yeah, we're hanging 213 00:10:47,480 --> 00:10:50,480 out with each other. And it's very normal and 214 00:10:50,480 --> 00:10:53,640 expected that like every night of the week, you're not eating 215 00:10:53,640 --> 00:10:55,720 dinner alone. You're like supposed to eat 216 00:10:55,720 --> 00:10:57,960 dinner with someone else and hang out with other people. 217 00:10:58,240 --> 00:11:00,840 Whereas just like it's the personnel, it's the type of 218 00:11:00,840 --> 00:11:02,760 people it attracts. It's also the vibe. 219 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:07,040 But like if you're going into like APHD program, for example, 220 00:11:07,240 --> 00:11:12,440 like it's very academic. It's like I'm very research 221 00:11:12,440 --> 00:11:15,680 focused and like it doesn't emphasize the social as much so 222 00:11:15,680 --> 00:11:18,720 it's just different vibes. I mean, to that point, though, I 223 00:11:18,720 --> 00:11:23,400 ate many dinners alone because I felt like after an entire day of 224 00:11:23,400 --> 00:11:27,000 socializing and I and I knew that I would have like a whole 225 00:11:27,000 --> 00:11:30,840 like, evening of socializing, I needed some time to myself. 226 00:11:30,960 --> 00:11:34,280 So I do think if you're thinking about Business School, it's a 227 00:11:34,280 --> 00:11:36,640 good like area of self reflection. 228 00:11:36,920 --> 00:11:38,720 Yeah. I mean, this is a whole nother 229 00:11:38,720 --> 00:11:40,640 topic. Like, how can you survive 230 00:11:40,640 --> 00:11:42,760 Business School if you want to go, but you're also an 231 00:11:42,760 --> 00:11:44,360 introvert? And you totally can. 232 00:11:44,600 --> 00:11:47,760 I have like so many friends who are actually introverts and then 233 00:11:47,760 --> 00:11:50,280 like figure out ways that they can balance their like emotional 234 00:11:50,280 --> 00:11:53,720 capacity and their like, mental capacity to be as social as 235 00:11:53,760 --> 00:11:55,600 possible. For me, going into Business 236 00:11:55,600 --> 00:11:58,640 School, I had a very specific plan. 237 00:11:58,880 --> 00:12:02,960 So the reason that I went to Business School is because I had 238 00:12:02,960 --> 00:12:05,400 always wanted to start a company of my own. 239 00:12:05,680 --> 00:12:08,720 And oh, and also just to preface this, I graduated from Business 240 00:12:08,720 --> 00:12:13,240 School seven years ago, so that means I applied over 10 years 241 00:12:13,240 --> 00:12:14,800 ago. So 10 years ago I was like, I 242 00:12:14,800 --> 00:12:19,240 want to start a company and I just, they didn't really have 243 00:12:19,520 --> 00:12:23,800 like the hutzpah or the balls to just quit my job at the time and 244 00:12:23,800 --> 00:12:27,440 just do it on my own. That felt way too scary for me. 245 00:12:27,720 --> 00:12:32,520 So and at the same time my GMAT score was expiring because I 246 00:12:32,520 --> 00:12:35,880 took my GMAT when I was a senior in undergrad. 247 00:12:36,120 --> 00:12:39,160 So it was five years after that. I had five years of work 248 00:12:39,160 --> 00:12:41,720 experience and it was the last year I could use my GMAT score. 249 00:12:41,720 --> 00:12:44,200 So I was like, you know what, I am just going to apply. 250 00:12:44,200 --> 00:12:47,600 I'll see if I get in. And because I really don't want 251 00:12:47,600 --> 00:12:52,080 to take the GMAT again. And I had always wanted to go to 252 00:12:52,080 --> 00:12:56,080 some grad school of some sort. And so then after I got in, it 253 00:12:56,080 --> 00:13:00,280 kind of just like I was able to sort of form my plan from there 254 00:13:00,280 --> 00:13:05,320 because I was like, if I go to Business School, it basically 255 00:13:05,320 --> 00:13:08,600 gives me these two risk free years where I can actually just 256 00:13:08,640 --> 00:13:12,040 work on my startup on the side. I knew that Harvard in general 257 00:13:12,200 --> 00:13:15,040 had a very strong focus on entrepreneurship. 258 00:13:15,040 --> 00:13:19,040 And it was very much, I think, a reaction to the strength of 259 00:13:19,120 --> 00:13:22,080 Stanford's entrepreneur program. They had this area called the 260 00:13:22,080 --> 00:13:24,600 Harvard Innovation Lab and they were really investing in that. 261 00:13:24,600 --> 00:13:28,360 So I was like, I'm going to go, I'm going to build my startup at 262 00:13:28,360 --> 00:13:31,000 school. If it all goes to plan, then I'm 263 00:13:31,000 --> 00:13:34,360 going to work my full time over the summer, I'm going to get 264 00:13:34,360 --> 00:13:37,520 customers, I'm going to fundraise right as I graduate, 265 00:13:37,920 --> 00:13:39,800 and then I'll be off to the races. 266 00:13:39,880 --> 00:13:43,120 And then the downside case would be, let's say I decide this is 267 00:13:43,120 --> 00:13:47,920 not for me, then I can just graduate and I'll have an HBS 268 00:13:47,920 --> 00:13:50,160 degree. Yeah, that was my intention 269 00:13:50,320 --> 00:13:52,520 going in. So for me it was very much worth 270 00:13:52,520 --> 00:13:54,000 it because I did follow that path. 271 00:13:54,120 --> 00:13:56,760 I worked on the startup a lot during the first year, so other 272 00:13:56,760 --> 00:14:00,280 parts of my experience did suffer, for example, like the 273 00:14:00,280 --> 00:14:03,880 social aspects or you know, I didn't invest in classes as much 274 00:14:03,880 --> 00:14:05,880 as I could have, but that was intentional. 275 00:14:06,160 --> 00:14:10,200 That whole experience helped me realize that you know what, I 276 00:14:10,200 --> 00:14:14,600 actually am very excited about starting company, but this is 277 00:14:14,600 --> 00:14:17,200 not the right company for me. Like this thing that I've been 278 00:14:17,200 --> 00:14:20,680 working on for the last year and a half is not going to be what 279 00:14:20,680 --> 00:14:24,400 I'm spending the next, you know, 5-7, ten years on. 280 00:14:24,840 --> 00:14:27,400 But I've had this experience of entrepreneurship. 281 00:14:27,400 --> 00:14:30,520 I've had this experience of working on my own company full 282 00:14:30,520 --> 00:14:36,520 time and I know kind of what are some things that I need to work 283 00:14:36,520 --> 00:14:39,480 on and what I'm looking for for the next time that I do. 284 00:14:39,480 --> 00:14:41,760 This Yeah. So for you, Business School is 285 00:14:41,760 --> 00:14:44,320 worth it because you were able to try something completely new 286 00:14:44,480 --> 00:14:47,360 that you wouldn't have done otherwise and, like, see if it's 287 00:14:47,360 --> 00:14:50,280 something that you wanted to continue and ultimately you 288 00:14:50,280 --> 00:14:52,080 didn't. But like, you were smarter for 289 00:14:52,080 --> 00:14:53,200 it. And you have another thing in 290 00:14:53,200 --> 00:14:54,280 your tool belt. Yes. 291 00:14:54,320 --> 00:14:58,600 And I was able to do it in this very kind of supportive 292 00:14:58,640 --> 00:15:04,200 atmosphere where there are a lot of different programs at HBS and 293 00:15:04,200 --> 00:15:08,160 many other business schools that are designed to help you build a 294 00:15:08,160 --> 00:15:10,120 company while you're at Business School. 295 00:15:10,160 --> 00:15:12,080 Yeah. I mean, also like you're a part 296 00:15:12,120 --> 00:15:15,480 of, I guess, like a program where it was like a cohort 297 00:15:15,720 --> 00:15:18,720 experience, so that like while you're building your startup, 298 00:15:18,720 --> 00:15:21,440 you could also be with other people who are building as well. 299 00:15:21,440 --> 00:15:23,840 Exactly. And so like, I feel like there 300 00:15:23,840 --> 00:15:26,960 are other places, like other incubator programs that happen 301 00:15:26,960 --> 00:15:29,200 outside of Business School now, like Y Combinator, South Park 302 00:15:29,200 --> 00:15:31,440 Commons. It's amazing that like, you can 303 00:15:31,440 --> 00:15:32,960 do that as well while you're a student. 304 00:15:33,240 --> 00:15:36,320 I would say for me, that's my personal experience. 305 00:15:36,320 --> 00:15:38,080 Like that was why I decided to go. 306 00:15:38,080 --> 00:15:43,520 That was a very intentional sort of like hypothesis of mine that 307 00:15:43,520 --> 00:15:46,360 I wanted to explore and try to see what the results were. 308 00:15:47,080 --> 00:15:49,520 Do you think it was worth $250,000? 309 00:15:49,720 --> 00:15:52,720 Oh, and also don't forget the opportunity cost of the money 310 00:15:52,720 --> 00:15:55,800 that we were making at the time. Yeah, I don't like to think 311 00:15:55,800 --> 00:15:57,560 about it that way. It's just depressing. 312 00:15:58,120 --> 00:16:00,240 Yeah, it's worth it. I think if you believe in 313 00:16:00,240 --> 00:16:03,680 yourself, then you will be able to recoup that money and make it 314 00:16:03,760 --> 00:16:06,240 in the future. Yeah, your life is long. 315 00:16:06,240 --> 00:16:10,920 Your career can be very long, but being in an environment 316 00:16:10,920 --> 00:16:16,640 where your only job is to learn is so special and like. 317 00:16:16,840 --> 00:16:19,800 I love these students. So few times, yeah, in your 318 00:16:19,800 --> 00:16:21,800 life. So like anyone who you know, a 319 00:16:21,800 --> 00:16:24,480 lot of people ask me like people who are like, oh, should I do, 320 00:16:24,800 --> 00:16:28,320 you know, Business School? I almost always say yes. 321 00:16:29,040 --> 00:16:31,160 Yeah, that, that could be another interesting topic next 322 00:16:31,160 --> 00:16:33,800 time, like who shouldn't do Business School that. 323 00:16:33,800 --> 00:16:36,600 Wraps up our episode. Thank you guys for being here. 324 00:16:36,800 --> 00:16:39,480 This is a new format we're trying where we're trying to do 325 00:16:39,480 --> 00:16:41,360 a really short and sweet episode. 326 00:16:41,560 --> 00:16:44,640 This time we didn't have any of our segments, but don't worry, 327 00:16:44,640 --> 00:16:47,080 they're not gone. I know you guys like roses and 328 00:16:47,080 --> 00:16:48,960 Thorns. It's coming back. 329 00:16:49,840 --> 00:16:52,280 If you guys like this episode, Please remember to like, 330 00:16:52,280 --> 00:16:56,160 comment, and subscribe, and we'd so appreciate it if you could 331 00:16:56,160 --> 00:16:58,720 share this episode with someone who might find it helpful. 332 00:16:59,280 --> 00:17:12,579 Thanks, Bye. Maybe we'll save you half 333 00:17:12,579 --> 00:17:15,780 $1,000,000. I've had so many people, 334 00:17:15,780 --> 00:17:19,400 especially my former Co workers, come to me and be like, was it 335 00:17:19,400 --> 00:17:21,040 worth it? I'm like, yeah, I built some 336 00:17:21,040 --> 00:17:22,200 confidence. And they're like, oh, 337 00:17:22,359 --> 00:17:24,760 confidence. Yeah, they're like that doesn't 338 00:17:24,760 --> 00:17:26,560 sound like it's worth half $1,000,000. 339 00:17:26,560 --> 00:17:29,320 Yeah, they're like a quarter $1,000,000 for confidence. 340 00:17:29,640 --> 00:17:30,440 I don't think so.