1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,960 Should you be using LinkedIn as a dating platform? 2 00:00:03,080 --> 00:00:07,200 This is Tiger Sisters episode on Dating Part 2. 3 00:00:07,360 --> 00:00:10,480 We released our Valentine's Day episode last week and there were 4 00:00:10,480 --> 00:00:13,560 so many follow up questions and we want to come back to you with 5 00:00:13,560 --> 00:00:15,280 answers. So we're going to be talking 6 00:00:15,280 --> 00:00:18,160 about how you can interrogate the person that you're dating to 7 00:00:18,160 --> 00:00:19,560 make sure you guys are compatible. 8 00:00:19,760 --> 00:00:23,080 And also we'll go into Gene's egg freezing journey. 9 00:00:23,080 --> 00:00:24,800 And should that be something that you do? 10 00:00:24,960 --> 00:00:26,960 I haven't done it and it's honestly one of my biggest 11 00:00:26,960 --> 00:00:28,120 regrets. So we're going to talk through 12 00:00:28,120 --> 00:00:42,480 that. This episode, and our last 13 00:00:42,480 --> 00:00:45,440 dating episode, is especially important for ambitious women, 14 00:00:45,440 --> 00:00:47,880 people who are really driven in their careers. 15 00:00:48,080 --> 00:00:51,480 And the partners or potential partners of ambitious women. 16 00:00:51,880 --> 00:00:54,040 Because this is the conversations that we're having 17 00:00:54,040 --> 00:00:56,800 with each other and also with our friends, and we just feel 18 00:00:56,800 --> 00:01:00,160 like this is a part of life. Like we talk about our career 19 00:01:00,280 --> 00:01:03,400 and professional stuff, but who you decide to marry, should you 20 00:01:03,400 --> 00:01:06,640 freeze your eggs going on dates? That's a really big part of our 21 00:01:06,640 --> 00:01:09,360 lives as well. And we'll get started right 22 00:01:09,360 --> 00:01:12,080 after this break. 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And we're going to get started 30 00:01:30,520 --> 00:01:32,920 on our first topic, which is interrogating. 31 00:01:32,920 --> 00:01:35,440 I know that sounds intense, but interrogating the person that 32 00:01:35,440 --> 00:01:37,520 you're dating to see if you're compatible. 33 00:01:37,520 --> 00:01:39,880 And this is a continuation of our conversation from the 34 00:01:39,880 --> 00:01:41,520 previous dating episode. Yes. 35 00:01:41,520 --> 00:01:45,160 So the reason I wanted to follow up on this topic is because I 36 00:01:45,160 --> 00:01:49,720 felt like last time Sheree's answer had a very actionable 37 00:01:50,440 --> 00:01:53,600 piece of advice where she said, hey, this is my formula and this 38 00:01:53,600 --> 00:01:58,120 is how I've applied the formula to actually make it useful in my 39 00:01:58,120 --> 00:02:00,160 dating life. Whereas I felt like the advice 40 00:02:00,160 --> 00:02:03,200 that I gave, which I said interrogate your values, 41 00:02:03,200 --> 00:02:06,040 interrogate the values of the person that you're dating and 42 00:02:06,040 --> 00:02:10,680 see if they coincide, see if they align, align well, I felt 43 00:02:10,680 --> 00:02:13,960 like I didn't really give an actionable way to do that. 44 00:02:14,240 --> 00:02:15,440 So now I'm following. Up. 45 00:02:15,440 --> 00:02:17,400 This is her follow up because she's like wait a second, how 46 00:02:17,400 --> 00:02:19,360 can I be more helpful to people? Yeah. 47 00:02:19,760 --> 00:02:23,480 And so the the example or the method that I'm going to give is 48 00:02:23,480 --> 00:02:27,960 what I learned in my couples therapy with my my ex fiance 49 00:02:28,440 --> 00:02:30,320 and. There's a lot to unpack here so 50 00:02:30,320 --> 00:02:32,960 if you guys are missing some context, watch the previous 51 00:02:32,960 --> 00:02:37,560 dating episode where Jean talks about her ex fiance and I also 52 00:02:37,560 --> 00:02:41,160 give the formula for my romantic dating happiness. 53 00:02:41,320 --> 00:02:44,600 So we'll put the episode here if you guys want to check it out. 54 00:02:44,600 --> 00:02:47,120 But this is a we're continuing, we're going forward. 55 00:02:47,120 --> 00:02:48,160 So we're. Continuing. 56 00:02:48,240 --> 00:02:52,880 So the method that we learned or kind of this exercise that we 57 00:02:52,880 --> 00:02:57,440 did together that was very enlightening, I'll say is very 58 00:02:57,440 --> 00:03:00,720 simple. So basically take 5 or 6 59 00:03:00,720 --> 00:03:03,800 elements that are generally the five or six elements that are 60 00:03:03,800 --> 00:03:06,360 most important in a person's life over the course of time. 61 00:03:06,640 --> 00:03:14,720 So say career, health, your nuclear family that you had 62 00:03:14,720 --> 00:03:18,040 growing up, your. Partner, I write these down. 63 00:03:18,120 --> 00:03:23,840 Future children, those are. Oh, and also God, the the count, 64 00:03:23,840 --> 00:03:27,200 the, the couples counselor we were seeing was sort of 65 00:03:27,400 --> 00:03:29,200 religious. So she got to have a religious 66 00:03:29,200 --> 00:03:31,160 bent to everything, but she included God. 67 00:03:31,520 --> 00:03:33,680 So which which I think is good to include in there. 68 00:03:33,960 --> 00:03:38,240 So go through the exercise of basically each person, stack 69 00:03:38,240 --> 00:03:43,080 rank all those 5 or 6 things and think about what are what are 70 00:03:43,080 --> 00:03:45,160 the most important things to me out of that list. 71 00:03:45,320 --> 00:03:49,000 Put it all down in a list and then you basically compare it 72 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:51,400 with the other person. This is juicy. 73 00:03:51,400 --> 00:03:53,320 This is fun. Yeah, wait a second. 74 00:03:53,360 --> 00:03:56,920 I want to do this with the the romantic. 75 00:03:56,920 --> 00:04:00,240 Like my romantic interests, your prospects, my prospects, my Oh 76 00:04:01,520 --> 00:04:03,680 my God. What were you gonna say? 77 00:04:03,680 --> 00:04:07,960 About Rasta, well. That's a good one. 78 00:04:08,240 --> 00:04:13,760 I honestly I wish we had done this earlier and I was shocked. 79 00:04:13,760 --> 00:04:16,440 Where there are big differences, yeah, in like what you guys 80 00:04:16,440 --> 00:04:18,320 found most important. Yeah, really. 81 00:04:18,320 --> 00:04:21,959 Huge differences. Wow, even having been together 82 00:04:21,959 --> 00:04:25,880 for eight years, is that freaking unbelievable? 83 00:04:25,880 --> 00:04:29,600 Yeah, it is. On one hand, I personally feel 84 00:04:29,600 --> 00:04:33,320 like it's slightly embarrassing because sometimes I think to 85 00:04:33,320 --> 00:04:36,080 myself, how could I have not been? 86 00:04:36,880 --> 00:04:40,320 How could we have not been on the same page about that after 87 00:04:40,320 --> 00:04:44,280 being together for eight years for two, you know, generally 88 00:04:44,720 --> 00:04:49,000 otherwise well, socially adapted and successful people. 89 00:04:49,440 --> 00:04:52,240 We were somehow not on the same page about that for the same 90 00:04:52,240 --> 00:04:54,200 time and had never gone to the bottom of that. 91 00:04:54,480 --> 00:04:57,000 But I mean it's. Hard because like those things 92 00:04:57,000 --> 00:04:59,720 don't really come up in conversation that like 93 00:05:00,200 --> 00:05:03,360 specifically or like intentionally and when you stack 94 00:05:03,360 --> 00:05:07,240 rank, it's an exercise forcing you to make do with limited like 95 00:05:07,240 --> 00:05:09,680 yes and I think. Also a resources or something, 96 00:05:09,880 --> 00:05:13,640 the other person or the two of you actually are best friends 97 00:05:13,640 --> 00:05:16,320 and you feel like you're so similar in so many ways. 98 00:05:16,480 --> 00:05:19,520 It's very easy to sort of project on to the other person 99 00:05:19,520 --> 00:05:23,040 and assume that like, hey, we're so similar in all these other, 100 00:05:23,240 --> 00:05:26,320 all these ways and how we live our lives and, and our, our 101 00:05:26,320 --> 00:05:32,800 daily, you know, priorities and everything just seems really 102 00:05:33,440 --> 00:05:36,400 perfect. And so you kind of assume that 103 00:05:36,400 --> 00:05:37,640 you're aligned on those priorities. 104 00:05:37,640 --> 00:05:40,400 Sure. So that's an exercise I 105 00:05:40,400 --> 00:05:46,400 encourage everyone to do. And the earlier on you can do 106 00:05:46,400 --> 00:05:49,200 it, I think the more clarity you'll have going into that 107 00:05:49,200 --> 00:05:52,640 relationship. And I will say one other thing I 108 00:05:52,640 --> 00:05:56,720 was thinking about it, and I think that when you do this 109 00:05:56,720 --> 00:06:00,760 exercise, you don't necessarily have to have the exact same 110 00:06:00,760 --> 00:06:03,000 stack rank. You know, it doesn't have to be 111 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:06,600 that you all prioritize things in the exact same order. 112 00:06:06,880 --> 00:06:11,400 It's more so that you have to be comfortable with and happy with 113 00:06:11,520 --> 00:06:14,000 their stack ranking and vice versa. 114 00:06:14,440 --> 00:06:17,880 Or they have to, and you have to sort of put them side by side 115 00:06:17,880 --> 00:06:21,840 and be like, this works. This this aligns because one 116 00:06:21,840 --> 00:06:25,320 person could have their stack ranking of, you know, children 117 00:06:25,360 --> 00:06:28,720 at the very top and the other person could have their career 118 00:06:28,800 --> 00:06:30,760 at the very top. And even though that's not the 119 00:06:30,760 --> 00:06:36,920 same, if you are aligned that, hey, these are our priorities. 120 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:39,240 And actually that works out really well because then I'm 121 00:06:39,240 --> 00:06:41,760 going to be the primary caretaker of the children and 122 00:06:41,760 --> 00:06:45,080 then you're going to be the breadwinner of the the family. 123 00:06:45,080 --> 00:06:49,000 You know not to put too old fashioned of a it. 124 00:06:49,760 --> 00:06:52,160 Could be reversed. It could be a stay at home dad. 125 00:06:52,280 --> 00:06:54,120 Yeah, I wasn't. I didn't gender it. 126 00:06:54,160 --> 00:06:57,640 Yeah, but yeah. So it doesn't have to be exactly 127 00:06:57,640 --> 00:07:01,600 the same, but you have to be aligned with how their SAC rink 128 00:07:01,600 --> 00:07:04,440 is and vice versa. If nothing else, it forces a 129 00:07:04,440 --> 00:07:09,080 conversation on yeah this topic so that you can see how similar 130 00:07:09,080 --> 00:07:12,480 or dissimilar they are. Yeah, yeah, I probably have some 131 00:07:12,480 --> 00:07:15,480 more gems from couples counseling. 132 00:07:15,560 --> 00:07:17,800 Very intense couples. Counseling. 133 00:07:17,800 --> 00:07:19,720 Was it very intense? We, we've actually, you and I 134 00:07:19,720 --> 00:07:21,040 have never, never talked. About it. 135 00:07:21,040 --> 00:07:24,040 Oh my gosh, it was beyond. We were. 136 00:07:24,040 --> 00:07:28,840 Well, first of all, you know, I'm type A person and also I'm 137 00:07:28,840 --> 00:07:34,600 like the A+ student. So for Hermione vibes, yeah, I'm 138 00:07:34,600 --> 00:07:37,600 so Hermione. So me, my approach was if we're 139 00:07:37,600 --> 00:07:39,880 going to do this couples counseling, we're going to do it 140 00:07:39,880 --> 00:07:42,960 right. So I had us do or it was my 141 00:07:42,960 --> 00:07:47,040 idea, but we both did it. We did double sessions every 142 00:07:47,040 --> 00:07:49,160 week so. Like twice a week. 143 00:07:49,600 --> 00:07:52,800 No, we did two hours in a row every Sunday. 144 00:07:53,040 --> 00:07:56,600 Two hours, so 4 hours in total. No, each session is one hour. 145 00:07:56,600 --> 00:07:57,080 Oh, I see. I. 146 00:07:57,080 --> 00:07:59,640 See. So two hours total, Yeah, but 147 00:07:59,640 --> 00:08:01,440 it's very intense. It's. 148 00:08:01,440 --> 00:08:03,280 That's like double floor at Berry's, yes? 149 00:08:04,560 --> 00:08:07,080 It really is. You did double couple sessions, 150 00:08:07,160 --> 00:08:07,840 yeah. Counseling. 151 00:08:08,080 --> 00:08:12,000 So every Sunday I would be pretty much emotionally 152 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:14,200 destroyed. I would be drained. 153 00:08:14,280 --> 00:08:16,040 How can you really do anything else after that? 154 00:08:16,040 --> 00:08:17,840 I can imagine. Yeah, you can't. 155 00:08:17,920 --> 00:08:20,320 You're like, there's so much flooding of emotion. 156 00:08:20,320 --> 00:08:23,080 My gosh, that yeah, we would. It would. 157 00:08:23,200 --> 00:08:25,760 I couldn't do anything. I couldn't see anyone after. 158 00:08:25,760 --> 00:08:30,960 I couldn't be productive because you put so much energy into that 159 00:08:31,120 --> 00:08:34,200 session session and that exchange and you're really 160 00:08:34,200 --> 00:08:39,480 trying to problem solve at that time, you know, so. 161 00:08:40,280 --> 00:08:43,280 And I guess I feel like at that point, because of many reasons, 162 00:08:43,280 --> 00:08:46,920 like stakes felt high. So there's like a lot of 163 00:08:46,920 --> 00:08:50,280 pressure as well as, as opposed to like, I don't know, an 164 00:08:50,280 --> 00:08:52,680 earlier relationship, earlier on relationship. 165 00:08:52,840 --> 00:08:56,400 Yeah, Yeah, that was actually the second time that we had gone 166 00:08:56,400 --> 00:08:58,920 to couples therapy. So we were sort of, we were 167 00:08:58,920 --> 00:09:02,600 already familiar with the the construct and the system. 168 00:09:02,600 --> 00:09:05,920 So we didn't need to ramp up in, in that way even. 169 00:09:05,920 --> 00:09:09,960 So yeah, I feel like I need couples counseling with my 170 00:09:09,960 --> 00:09:13,400 friends. And just like with my like 171 00:09:13,400 --> 00:09:17,000 platonic friendship, it's just like really helpful because I 172 00:09:17,000 --> 00:09:19,200 think people's natural inclination, I'll speak for 173 00:09:19,200 --> 00:09:22,640 myself. My natural inclination is not to 174 00:09:22,720 --> 00:09:24,720 be not to talk about these things. 175 00:09:24,720 --> 00:09:26,760 It's like run away from them because they're really hard to 176 00:09:26,760 --> 00:09:29,520 talk about, really hard to confront yourself and the other 177 00:09:29,520 --> 00:09:31,400 person. And you know, it's not just you 178 00:09:31,400 --> 00:09:33,600 as another person who's also facing internal battles of like 179 00:09:33,600 --> 00:09:35,480 how to talk about these things as well. 180 00:09:35,720 --> 00:09:37,840 And so I just feel like counseling or therapy or 181 00:09:37,840 --> 00:09:40,280 whatever you want to call it is just so good. 182 00:09:40,480 --> 00:09:42,240 I want it for like every aspect of my life. 183 00:09:42,560 --> 00:09:44,640 Yeah. I mean, now that I've gone 184 00:09:44,640 --> 00:09:48,280 through it, I think that it's very healthy to do. 185 00:09:48,320 --> 00:09:52,480 And also, I mean, I thought it was healthy before, but I wish 186 00:09:52,480 --> 00:09:57,200 that we had done it more consistently earlier because it 187 00:09:57,200 --> 00:09:59,520 would have been helpful to know that we were not aligned on 188 00:09:59,520 --> 00:10:01,520 these values earlier. Earlier on. 189 00:10:01,520 --> 00:10:05,880 Sure. And one of my girlfriends, she 190 00:10:05,880 --> 00:10:08,040 and her boyfriend are very serious. 191 00:10:08,040 --> 00:10:10,200 They're planning to get engaged. They're planning to get married. 192 00:10:10,440 --> 00:10:13,440 And they've been doing couples counseling, basically premarital 193 00:10:13,440 --> 00:10:17,720 counseling even before they get engaged, which I think is so. 194 00:10:18,320 --> 00:10:19,960 Smart. There's kind of like a stigma 195 00:10:19,960 --> 00:10:22,440 around it right now. Like I feel like it when people 196 00:10:22,440 --> 00:10:25,400 are talking about it, but like, the more I talk to people, I 197 00:10:25,400 --> 00:10:28,880 realize people are doing it and like, not really publicizing it 198 00:10:28,880 --> 00:10:30,360 because like, people are embarrassed. 199 00:10:30,440 --> 00:10:31,240 Really. Yeah. 200 00:10:31,400 --> 00:10:34,160 But like I see like on TikTok now more and more like people 201 00:10:34,160 --> 00:10:37,480 talking about like before we get engaged, we're doing premier 202 00:10:37,520 --> 00:10:40,520 counseling. Yeah, I think for me. 203 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:44,760 I would for sure do that. Yeah, my next time around. 204 00:10:48,080 --> 00:10:49,600 Hopefully that exercise is useful. 205 00:10:49,600 --> 00:10:52,240 I would love to hear back from you guys if you try it. 206 00:10:52,240 --> 00:10:54,240 It doesn't have to be a whole big conversation. 207 00:10:54,480 --> 00:10:57,120 Yeah, be a big deal. And it's also the sort of thing 208 00:10:57,120 --> 00:11:01,880 where you can talk about it for 5 minutes like and then separate 209 00:11:01,880 --> 00:11:04,880 and work on it and then bring it back together and then have the 210 00:11:04,880 --> 00:11:08,840 conversation at another time. True, it doesn't have to all be 211 00:11:08,840 --> 00:11:11,600 in one go. It can often times be healthy to 212 00:11:11,600 --> 00:11:15,200 like take a breather, Yeah, and separate and also give yourself 213 00:11:15,200 --> 00:11:18,760 time to think. And if you're not up to it, if 214 00:11:18,760 --> 00:11:23,120 you're not ready for it, just do the exercise for yourself and 215 00:11:23,120 --> 00:11:26,920 then think about what are my own values and how does my stack 216 00:11:26,920 --> 00:11:30,080 ranking work? And then maybe imagine what 217 00:11:30,080 --> 00:11:33,160 theirs is. And then work your way up to to 218 00:11:33,160 --> 00:11:37,240 doing that exercise together. Imagine, but make it rooted in 219 00:11:37,240 --> 00:11:39,640 reality. No limerance here. 220 00:11:39,640 --> 00:11:42,440 No limerance. OK, before we move on to our 221 00:11:42,440 --> 00:11:46,000 next topic, a fun little just piece of Goss between us. 222 00:11:46,160 --> 00:11:51,080 Is that so the last episode, I was so shocked. 223 00:11:52,720 --> 00:11:56,080 I was actually shooketh that Cherie on her second date with 224 00:11:56,080 --> 00:11:59,480 someone received a book that was basically a couples counseling 225 00:11:59,480 --> 00:12:02,320 book. But the fact that this person 226 00:12:02,320 --> 00:12:05,800 you were dating gave you a book on the second date, I was very 227 00:12:05,800 --> 00:12:09,280 taken aback. And then I don't know if this is 228 00:12:09,640 --> 00:12:14,280 karma or whatever. I went on a first date and then 229 00:12:14,280 --> 00:12:17,800 this person gave me a book. What's with men giving books out 230 00:12:17,800 --> 00:12:21,280 now that they're like, yeah, professors, philosophers? 231 00:12:21,440 --> 00:12:25,520 I haven't dated for eight years, so I'm just like, oh, is this 232 00:12:25,520 --> 00:12:28,760 the new norm? People just start giving books 233 00:12:28,760 --> 00:12:31,920 and sharing. I think it's probably the men 234 00:12:31,920 --> 00:12:34,760 that we've gone on dates with are probably like a bit more 235 00:12:34,760 --> 00:12:38,720 cerebral and thoughtful, don't you think that like they're one 236 00:12:38,720 --> 00:12:43,480 they're reading? Did you date people who didn't 237 00:12:43,480 --> 00:12:45,480 know how to read before? Not that it didn't know how to 238 00:12:45,480 --> 00:12:47,920 read, but people some people enjoy reading more than others. 239 00:12:48,040 --> 00:12:50,280 As someone who doesn't enjoy reading as much as you. 240 00:12:50,600 --> 00:12:52,600 You don't enjoy reading? As much as you. 241 00:12:52,600 --> 00:12:54,120 Oh yeah, but I'm a. Freak. 242 00:12:54,480 --> 00:12:56,640 She's a freak reader. She's a yes. 243 00:12:56,960 --> 00:13:00,920 But anyways, like, I think, I don't know, we're just dating 244 00:13:00,920 --> 00:13:03,760 people who are into reading perhaps and like, want to share 245 00:13:03,760 --> 00:13:07,280 like knowledge. And yeah, did you like it? 246 00:13:07,280 --> 00:13:12,120 What was your reaction? I was sort of taken aback, 247 00:13:12,280 --> 00:13:15,160 honestly, because. In a good way or bad way? 248 00:13:15,320 --> 00:13:18,400 I mean a good way. I mean, I love receiving gifts. 249 00:13:18,880 --> 00:13:22,280 That's one of my love languages. It's my number one love 250 00:13:22,560 --> 00:13:29,240 language. Overtime and I was like, oh, I 251 00:13:29,240 --> 00:13:32,840 was just kind of once again I was shooketh, but it was very 252 00:13:32,840 --> 00:13:34,720 different from yours. It wasn't a. 253 00:13:35,880 --> 00:13:36,560 Counseling. Book. 254 00:13:36,560 --> 00:13:39,160 It wasn't a counseling book. It wasn't a self help book. 255 00:13:39,560 --> 00:13:46,360 It was a book of prose poetry by Khalil Gibran. 256 00:13:47,360 --> 00:13:49,400 She like, that's kind of more romantic. 257 00:13:49,440 --> 00:13:52,400 Yeah, I guess so. The guy I was went on a date 258 00:13:52,400 --> 00:13:55,880 with was like you need help? Here's a self help book. 259 00:13:56,640 --> 00:13:58,120 Yeah. And then I don't know if this is 260 00:13:58,120 --> 00:14:01,680 too much detail, maybe we'll we'll cut it out upon review. 261 00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:05,040 But I forgot the book. I I left the book. 262 00:14:05,040 --> 00:14:06,960 I didn't actually take it with me after the date. 263 00:14:07,320 --> 00:14:13,200 And then the next day he actually texted me some pages in 264 00:14:13,200 --> 00:14:16,760 the book of one of the poems that he wanted me to to start 265 00:14:16,760 --> 00:14:19,360 with reading. And was it a romantic poem or 266 00:14:19,360 --> 00:14:23,160 like, what's the poetry angle? It was about, it's about the 267 00:14:23,160 --> 00:14:25,600 soul. Hello. 268 00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:28,720 Like I said, these guys are deep. 269 00:14:28,720 --> 00:14:31,480 They're readers. They're philosophers all right. 270 00:14:31,480 --> 00:14:34,480 Are we meeting people who are more deep than we are? 271 00:14:34,960 --> 00:14:36,920 Am I? Definitely not shallow. 272 00:14:38,640 --> 00:14:40,040 You guys, You guys know how my brain works. 273 00:14:40,040 --> 00:14:40,960 I get to be. Shallow. 274 00:14:41,000 --> 00:14:43,880 Now compared to someone that would be kind of fun. 275 00:14:44,400 --> 00:14:46,000 I see the shallow one. Yeah. 276 00:14:48,240 --> 00:14:52,880 Why am I into this? So yeah, unfortunately the prose 277 00:14:52,880 --> 00:14:58,520 poetry book has worked on B&C. Wow, she's such a hypocrite 278 00:14:58,760 --> 00:15:02,960 because when I get a book she freaking roasts me and roast the 279 00:15:02,960 --> 00:15:06,960 guy to the end of the earth that when she gets a book she's like 280 00:15:07,280 --> 00:15:11,800 is all lover girl now? Yeah, Well, well. 281 00:15:12,200 --> 00:15:14,400 Well, well, that was a little gossip sesh. 282 00:15:14,440 --> 00:15:16,440 For you guys. OK, little gossip sesh. 283 00:15:16,640 --> 00:15:20,040 Back to the programming. Back to the programming. 284 00:15:20,880 --> 00:15:23,000 Should you be using LinkedIn as a dating platform? 285 00:15:23,440 --> 00:15:27,680 As a former LinkedIn employee, my official answer is no, you 286 00:15:27,680 --> 00:15:30,960 should not be because we have teams and organizations. 287 00:15:30,960 --> 00:15:34,840 We have pillars that actually fight against this because 288 00:15:34,840 --> 00:15:36,960 LinkedIn is a professional social media app. 289 00:15:37,040 --> 00:15:39,520 Really. Oh my God, Yeah. 290 00:15:39,520 --> 00:15:43,320 Guys have had this conversation. The trust and safety team for 291 00:15:43,320 --> 00:15:46,440 sure. People getting unsolicited, like 292 00:15:46,720 --> 00:15:52,320 DMS, harassment, specifically women on LinkedIn. 293 00:15:52,480 --> 00:15:54,880 It's actually like just so inappropriate. 294 00:15:54,960 --> 00:15:56,720 I like, let's be serious for a second. 295 00:15:56,760 --> 00:15:59,720 Like it's just like so unnerving. 296 00:15:59,920 --> 00:16:01,560 You're like on a social media platform. 297 00:16:01,560 --> 00:16:02,840 It's all your professional stuff. 298 00:16:03,080 --> 00:16:06,080 You can say that like a lot more of yourself is put out there 299 00:16:06,080 --> 00:16:08,600 because you can't really have a private profile on LinkedIn for 300 00:16:08,600 --> 00:16:11,040 the most part for your social, for your career. 301 00:16:11,480 --> 00:16:15,360 So like getting a message that's like unsolicited advancements is 302 00:16:15,360 --> 00:16:18,800 just so ick. Should I be offended that no one 303 00:16:18,800 --> 00:16:21,760 has ever hit on me on LinkedIn? I didn't know that was a thing. 304 00:16:22,160 --> 00:16:24,560 It is, but don't be offended. You don't want it to happen to 305 00:16:24,560 --> 00:16:25,560 you. It's just horrible. 306 00:16:26,440 --> 00:16:28,800 It's so like if you're someone watching this and you're like, 307 00:16:28,800 --> 00:16:30,000 should I hit on them on LinkedIn? 308 00:16:30,280 --> 00:16:34,200 I would say my official stance is like no, do not send them an 309 00:16:34,200 --> 00:16:36,480 in mail of like inviting people on a date. 310 00:16:36,480 --> 00:16:37,600 Like I don't think you should do that. 311 00:16:37,800 --> 00:16:42,320 However, however, Asterisk, if you want to use LinkedIn as an 312 00:16:42,320 --> 00:16:45,720 information source for you to run background checks on people 313 00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:48,720 to make sure that they're who they say they are and that you 314 00:16:48,720 --> 00:16:51,800 have like connections with them. Like I would say LinkedIn is 315 00:16:51,800 --> 00:16:55,560 really good for first degree, second degree, third degree, you 316 00:16:55,560 --> 00:16:58,760 know, network connections. Like you can see how well you 317 00:16:58,760 --> 00:17:01,720 might know someone. Yeah, I think it's good for 318 00:17:01,720 --> 00:17:05,119 background checks, but. Yeah, I think everyone does that 319 00:17:05,119 --> 00:17:06,480 right. I don't know. 320 00:17:06,480 --> 00:17:08,480 Do you guys do that? Not everyone does that. 321 00:17:08,480 --> 00:17:10,800 I don't think some people like to not background check people. 322 00:17:10,800 --> 00:17:12,480 But anyways, I think it's good to be safe that way. 323 00:17:12,800 --> 00:17:17,400 But I would say limit the inmail sliding into inmails. 324 00:17:17,440 --> 00:17:20,960 That's not a thing. I can provide a sort of devil's 325 00:17:20,960 --> 00:17:24,560 advocate to that. I don't know if it's really my 326 00:17:24,560 --> 00:17:30,720 opinion, but I recently spoke to a friend of mine who I hadn't 327 00:17:30,720 --> 00:17:33,760 seen in a while, in many years, five years. 328 00:17:33,800 --> 00:17:38,560 And she basically gave me an update on her life over the last 329 00:17:38,560 --> 00:17:41,600 five years. And she gave me an update on her 330 00:17:41,600 --> 00:17:47,040 last five years, which she had told me she has focused a lot on 331 00:17:47,920 --> 00:17:51,560 basically her goal of wanting to get married and have children 332 00:17:51,760 --> 00:17:54,680 because she said prior to that, she had focused so much of her 333 00:17:54,840 --> 00:17:57,480 time and energy on her career and advancing that. 334 00:17:57,760 --> 00:18:02,000 So she went full, full on. She did everything. 335 00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:06,160 So she used matchmakers that she paid, which are very expensive, 336 00:18:06,160 --> 00:18:08,040 by the way. She said one, the one that she 337 00:18:08,040 --> 00:18:11,080 used was $6000 to set her up for three dates. 338 00:18:11,960 --> 00:18:15,800 I was like, damn. But that's commitment. 339 00:18:16,760 --> 00:18:20,320 She joined different clubs, she joined different organizations. 340 00:18:20,520 --> 00:18:23,400 She was on all the apps. And then the one thing she told 341 00:18:23,400 --> 00:18:27,240 me that she did where I was like, wow, that's commitment. 342 00:18:27,640 --> 00:18:30,800 Is that she and another friend of hers who live in different 343 00:18:30,800 --> 00:18:34,240 cities decided to become each other's matchmakers. 344 00:18:34,440 --> 00:18:38,480 So what they would each do is they would look on LinkedIn for 345 00:18:38,480 --> 00:18:42,400 people that they thought would be good romantic matches for 346 00:18:42,400 --> 00:18:46,840 their friend slash client. And then they would e-mail them. 347 00:18:46,840 --> 00:18:50,640 They would e-mail them. And e-mail is fine I think if 348 00:18:50,640 --> 00:18:52,760 you can get their how to get their e-mail you can find it on 349 00:18:52,760 --> 00:18:53,440 LinkedIn. You can. 350 00:18:53,480 --> 00:18:54,960 You can find people's emails very easily. 351 00:18:55,000 --> 00:18:57,160 Sure, OK. I would just say take it off 352 00:18:57,160 --> 00:18:59,800 platform unless you want to be flagged. 353 00:18:59,800 --> 00:19:02,520 If if it's in an unwelcome advance they might report you 354 00:19:02,520 --> 00:19:04,400 and then your profile will be taken down. 355 00:19:04,400 --> 00:19:07,240 There are consequences. Oh, well, OK, I don't. 356 00:19:07,240 --> 00:19:10,640 I don't, I don't know about that, but she said they would 357 00:19:10,640 --> 00:19:14,280 each e-mail people and say, Hey, I'm a matchmaker. 358 00:19:14,280 --> 00:19:16,560 I have someone who I think would be a great fit for you. 359 00:19:16,920 --> 00:19:19,400 One, are you single? Two, would you be interested? 360 00:19:19,600 --> 00:19:21,600 Three, are you open to a phone call? 361 00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:24,760 So they, they made an entire funnel. 362 00:19:24,760 --> 00:19:29,920 They used LinkedIn literally as a dating platform, which 363 00:19:30,200 --> 00:19:34,480 obviously it's not designed for. And I think they ultimately did 364 00:19:34,480 --> 00:19:38,960 not actually find success there. Neither of these two people are 365 00:19:38,960 --> 00:19:42,960 now with people that they sourced on LinkedIn. 366 00:19:42,960 --> 00:19:45,400 But it's an interesting exercise, like that's kind of 367 00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:50,160 like you are picking from a pool knowing their credentials. 368 00:19:50,160 --> 00:19:52,480 But she said the biggest problem is you didn't know if the person 369 00:19:52,480 --> 00:19:54,680 was single or not. So you kind of waste a lot of 370 00:19:54,680 --> 00:19:59,800 time and energy sending, I guess, cold inbound emails to 371 00:19:59,800 --> 00:20:02,520 people who may not be single. I mean, that's the sales funnel 372 00:20:02,520 --> 00:20:04,440 baby. Like you don't know if someone's 373 00:20:04,440 --> 00:20:07,440 buying what you're selling. If you're going to be in sales, 374 00:20:07,440 --> 00:20:10,880 you need to be willing to send 1000 cold emails to get one 375 00:20:10,880 --> 00:20:13,800 response. She said one guy emailed her 376 00:20:13,800 --> 00:20:18,200 back and CC D his wife and was like thanks so much for the 377 00:20:18,200 --> 00:20:20,000 inquiry. I'll have to check with my wife 378 00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:24,080 on that lol. So that's slightly mortifying, 379 00:20:24,080 --> 00:20:26,360 but I guess if they were just doing it for each other. 380 00:20:26,360 --> 00:20:29,280 If you're doing it on behalf of yourself, that is so, yeah, so 381 00:20:29,280 --> 00:20:31,160 embarrassing. That's why you needed a 382 00:20:31,280 --> 00:20:33,560 girlfriend. And like, that's why you need to 383 00:20:33,560 --> 00:20:35,360 team up with someone so you can do it for each other. 384 00:20:35,360 --> 00:20:36,000 Yeah. OK. 385 00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:39,800 But the other thing that she recommended about LinkedIn that 386 00:20:39,800 --> 00:20:45,480 is more, I think tenable for people to potentially do is I 387 00:20:45,480 --> 00:20:49,920 was telling her, as I've mentioned to you guys, that I, 388 00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:53,760 for me personally, all of these serious relationships that I've 389 00:20:53,760 --> 00:20:57,640 had in my life have always been people that I met through school 390 00:20:57,640 --> 00:21:01,360 or through work and got to know first and was friends with first 391 00:21:01,360 --> 00:21:04,640 before we ever had any sort of romantic relationship. 392 00:21:05,040 --> 00:21:08,320 And so I was sort of lamenting to her, I was like, I'm not in 393 00:21:08,320 --> 00:21:11,480 school anymore and for my company, it's just me and 394 00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:13,960 Cherie, so I'm not. Sorry, I'm not bringing any hot 395 00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:15,880 dudes to the office. Ever. 396 00:21:16,200 --> 00:21:20,440 So there's no pool of people, it's just different from before. 397 00:21:20,440 --> 00:21:26,320 So I was kind of, this was during my SAD, also my seasonal 398 00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:27,080 affective. Disorder. 399 00:21:27,080 --> 00:21:28,680 She gets SAD during the winter time. 400 00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:30,480 Yeah, during my winter Blues funk. 401 00:21:30,560 --> 00:21:33,120 And so I was just sad. And I was thinking, I was saying 402 00:21:33,120 --> 00:21:37,920 to her, you know, that kind of opportunity is not available to 403 00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:39,600 me anymore. And that was what I was really 404 00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:42,440 comfortable with. That's what I was used to. 405 00:21:42,560 --> 00:21:44,280 And that's what worked well for me. 406 00:21:44,760 --> 00:21:48,240 And then she kind of turned it on its head and she said, no, 407 00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:53,200 it's the opposite for you. She said actually now everyone 408 00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:58,520 is your Co worker, she said. This person is so positive, like 409 00:21:58,680 --> 00:22:03,120 kind of toxically so. But she said basically, she 410 00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:06,560 said, even if you don't work with these person, work with 411 00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:09,680 these people in day-to-day, there are lots of people that 412 00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:12,880 you could potentially work with for whether it's for, you know, 413 00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:16,720 sisters worldwide, for Tiger sisters for sisters Matcha 414 00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:18,960 bringing people on to the podcast as guests. 415 00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:22,080 So she her idea was she was saying you should be reaching 416 00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:29,240 out to people and kind of like under the premise of having like 417 00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:32,080 a business reason, but really you want to date them or 418 00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:36,800 something. Hello, Do not use Tiger Sisters 419 00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:39,880 podcast as a shell for Reedsburg. 420 00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:43,120 And it's kind of like, oh, that's innovative. 421 00:22:43,120 --> 00:22:47,040 That's yeah, that's very intentional. 422 00:22:47,120 --> 00:22:49,400 That's very. But then again, this is this is 423 00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:54,880 someone who she has had the most sort of like intentional 424 00:22:56,920 --> 00:23:00,480 approach to dating, getting married and having a child that 425 00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:02,440 I've ever heard of that I've ever seen. 426 00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:06,160 She really took it on as the most important project. 427 00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:07,720 It's a it's like a full time job. 428 00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:09,920 Yeah, full time job. She made it a full on work 429 00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:12,600 stream she was sending out. She had a quota for her. 430 00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:15,000 And and now she's happily dating someone. 431 00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:17,520 So. So the end of that story is that 432 00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:20,600 she eventually actually met someone on Hinge. 433 00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:25,000 Oh, God, the matchmakers didn't work The Yeah, like it just 434 00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:25,800 happened. Yeah. 435 00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:30,920 She met someone on a hinge, they got engaged and all within seven 436 00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:38,080 months. He's giving Chloe and Lamar who 437 00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:40,000 got engaged after like what, 3 weeks or something? 438 00:23:40,040 --> 00:23:43,840 I don't know, Kardashian. I thought that was Kim and Kris 439 00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:45,560 Humphries. I mean, I think that was also 440 00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:46,760 fast as well. Yeah. 441 00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:50,840 No, no, they got. Divorced within 72 hours, right? 442 00:23:51,360 --> 00:23:53,080 No, I thought it was like 7 weeks or something. 443 00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:55,000 Or was it 72 hours? Our. 444 00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:56,880 Our. Lore is not our Kardashian, Lore 445 00:23:56,880 --> 00:23:58,200 is someone. Fact Check us. 446 00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:00,480 Not Fact Check. OK, one more follow up to the 447 00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:03,280 story. Maybe we'll cut this 'cause I 448 00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:05,640 don't know if it's, we'll see how we feel after. 449 00:24:06,120 --> 00:24:11,000 But I realized that her advice is pretty out there, and that's 450 00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:15,800 being very intentional. I kind of accidentally did that. 451 00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:19,720 What do you mean? Because I asked one of my 452 00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:24,360 friends to introduce me to this other person who for for 453 00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:29,840 business reasons basically. And we got coffee together and I 454 00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:33,280 went into it purely wanting to get have a business 455 00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:37,360 conversation. And then no seriously, because I 456 00:24:37,360 --> 00:24:43,040 thought this person was married. So and then it turns out they're 457 00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:45,280 not. And then they asked me on a date 458 00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:46,320 afterwards. True. 459 00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:51,400 So I accidentally did what she had suggested, but I did it 460 00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:54,760 before she had suggested it. Just for just to be clear. 461 00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:58,320 I think that's good because this is someone that is like a friend 462 00:24:58,360 --> 00:25:02,960 of a friend, right? And like, it's already lack of a 463 00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:05,680 better term, like background checks that like, you know, 464 00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:07,600 like, oh, there's like social accountability there. 465 00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:12,400 That's why I think you found so much success in like dating 466 00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:16,160 people from school or from work is because it's like background 467 00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:18,960 checked or like social checked in some way. 468 00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:25,040 And I think like, I guess it makes me think one of my biggest 469 00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:28,040 regrets and don't judge me for saying this is that like I 470 00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:31,640 really wish I had made something work from Business School 471 00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:35,720 because like a lot of people find success in being with 472 00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:38,680 someone from Business School. A lot of people in my year have 473 00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:42,800 and it's just nice because like it's already automatically 474 00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:45,040 background checked in so many ways. 475 00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:48,120 Like to get into a top Business School program, like you have to 476 00:25:48,120 --> 00:25:51,160 be super career driven. You have to have excelled in 477 00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:54,840 something, gone to a good school or like have really good career 478 00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:57,560 experience before that. And then like when you're in 479 00:25:57,560 --> 00:26:00,080 school, like you can see how people behave in certain 480 00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:02,520 situations in the classroom, outside of the classroom. 481 00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:10,240 It's like a really fertile ground for meeting a, a life 482 00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:12,360 partner. And so it didn't end up working 483 00:26:12,360 --> 00:26:15,480 out for me. I don't know. 484 00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:17,880 It's just like a really interesting way to have a 485 00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:19,240 background check. And the same thing for like 486 00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:22,560 working at LinkedIn. Like yes, everyone is going to 487 00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:26,160 be a tech employee, but like still in some ways, like if 488 00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:28,040 they're like smart, they're accomplished. 489 00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:31,320 They have to work well with people if they're going to 490 00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:33,480 succeed at the company, all that stuff. 491 00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:39,280 Well, to your, to your point, I thought I had found someone 492 00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:42,920 through Business School. I mean, I ended up dating this 493 00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:46,040 person from Business School for being with this person for eight 494 00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:49,920 years and it didn't pan out. So that's one side of it. 495 00:26:50,120 --> 00:26:54,680 And then on the other hand, I will say I know people that got 496 00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:59,760 together and later married Business School people 5-6, 497 00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:03,960 seven years after Business School, so. 498 00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:08,360 I can't even imagine that though because GSP is so small, is so 499 00:27:08,360 --> 00:27:11,800 much smaller and like I already know all of my classmates like 500 00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:14,440 too well and I feel like if there were to be a romantic 501 00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:17,720 prospect it would have happened. However, actually. 502 00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:22,480 She's bringing out the hell. However, what I've what I've 503 00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:26,200 heard is that I should not be looking in my own grade, but 504 00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:30,280 above and below one year for people who maybe I have not been 505 00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:33,040 in contact with that I don't know as well, but like are in 506 00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:35,120 the same network. So I think that's what I should 507 00:27:35,120 --> 00:27:36,960 do. Yeah, one of my best friends is 508 00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:41,200 dating another HBS guy who was in an older year than us. 509 00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:44,920 I don't know how she met him. But it's just like, the alumni 510 00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:47,800 affiliation is just enough. So yeah, I can't even, like, 511 00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:49,960 think about anyone else in my grade itself. 512 00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:51,480 Like, that would just be weird for me. 513 00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:55,520 But someone below or above. Yeah, I have been having a 514 00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:57,240 flirtation with someone in the year below. 515 00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:05,720 Oh, oh, I was unaware. And our last juicy, juicy topic 516 00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:09,520 is about egg freezing, and I'm just going to kick us off here. 517 00:28:10,120 --> 00:28:14,480 I, I feel like one of my biggest regrets from when I used to work 518 00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:17,640 in corporate is I didn't freeze my eggs. 519 00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:20,360 So a lot of just to set some contacts. 520 00:28:20,360 --> 00:28:23,920 I think a lot of young women are thinking now of like how to 521 00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:28,400 prioritize their career and how to push having children later 522 00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:29,960 on. And so they're freezing their 523 00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:31,320 eggs. They're doing this procedure 524 00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:36,760 many times egg freezing is covered by your insurance plan 525 00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:39,960 provided through your work. And so especially at big tech 526 00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:43,000 companies, the benefits, I mean, everyone look into this if you 527 00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:47,040 have, if you have this benefit, but a lot of the time it would 528 00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:51,280 cost, you know, $40,000 to do the entire procedure and, you 529 00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:55,480 know, cover all those expenses. Your work can provide the 530 00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:58,840 coverage there and pay for it. And of course, you know, the 531 00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:01,560 question is like they're incentivized to do this because 532 00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:03,960 they want, you know, the employees. 533 00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:06,200 I forgot about that, the young employees to stay in the work 534 00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:08,720 first as long as possible and like not have children. 535 00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:11,040 That's like the more like nefarious, malicious, like 536 00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:12,120 whatever. We don't have to get there. 537 00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:15,600 Like everyone has their own intents of why they want to do 538 00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:18,360 it but. Was it covered at LinkedIn? 539 00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:20,680 It was covered at LinkedIn, it's covered at Microsoft, at least 540 00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:21,880 when I worked there. Like I don't know it. 541 00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:23,560 Was fully covered or what? Do you know the? 542 00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:24,840 Details. I'm pretty sure it was fully 543 00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:27,600 covered because I talked to one of my girlfriends who worked at 544 00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:34,080 Microsoft, who I think I was 26 and she was 24, which is on the 545 00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:38,080 younger end to freeze your eggs. And then she's because she had 546 00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:40,400 like a plan for life. She's at Wharton now. 547 00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:42,720 She was APM at Microsoft. She's now at Wharton. 548 00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:45,120 But she's just like, before I go to Wharton, like I'm going to 549 00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:46,360 freeze my eggs. I'm going to do this whole 550 00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:47,960 thing. I'm like, what the hell, You're 551 00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:50,800 24, you know? So I was just like, oh, I'd 552 00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:52,520 already left LinkedIn. Like, there's no way I can do 553 00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:54,160 it. But I think it's really, for me. 554 00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:56,640 I was just really impressed by her foresight. 555 00:29:56,840 --> 00:29:59,360 I don't know if there's like a medical thing about like, 556 00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:01,440 freezing your eggs at a younger age. 557 00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:03,880 I just didn't want to put my body through it either. 558 00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:06,080 It's pretty grueling. So I, like, had to put it off. 559 00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:10,280 But Jean froze her eggs. Yeah, through work. 560 00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:13,920 Before we get into that, I I do want to stop on the point that 561 00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:18,320 if you are potentially looking for a new job or considering a 562 00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:22,160 new company, it is worth asking and understanding what the 563 00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:26,360 benefits are for egg freezing or for fertility or for any other 564 00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:28,440 thing you know in that kind of area. 565 00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:32,800 I remember a girlfriend of mine when she was considering an 566 00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:35,720 offer from Snapchat to move her to Snapchat, she actually 567 00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:38,240 reached out to me and she asked me. 568 00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:40,760 She said, oh, what are the egg freezing benefits? 569 00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:44,640 What are the fertility benefits? And I had no idea because I 570 00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:46,480 hadn't really thought about it myself. 571 00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:49,720 So I actually had to look it up and figure out what they were 572 00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:52,840 and then get back to her on it because she was actually coming 573 00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:56,920 from Meta and they had also quite good egg freezing 574 00:30:56,920 --> 00:31:00,480 fertility benefits. So she was like, OK, I want to 575 00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:02,800 make sure I'm not, you know, giving all this up And then 576 00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:06,520 because it actually is quite. Expensive, yeah. 577 00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:09,800 And also if you yourself don't have coverage but you have a 578 00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:14,040 partner, for example, you might be covered through their plan to 579 00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:16,640 freeze your to freeze your eggs. Yeah, yeah. 580 00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:20,720 And then to your broader point, I don't think you need to be 581 00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:24,080 regretful that you haven't done it. 582 00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:27,720 I had thought about at one point encouraging you to do it. 583 00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:32,040 But then I did it because the advice that I had gotten from 584 00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:35,640 fertility doctors in the past or from even OBGY NS 'cause I had 585 00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:39,320 brought it up even years and question asked the doctors about 586 00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:40,960 it even years before I actually did it. 587 00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:47,520 And their advice was, well, if you are still in your 20s or 30s 588 00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:53,280 and you're in a serious relationship or if you see 589 00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:58,720 yourself eventually having children in your mid 30s, then 590 00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:01,000 you don't need to go out of your way to do it. 591 00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:05,800 So I was actually early on, I was discouraged to to do it. 592 00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:09,800 So just cause. The timing wasn't. 593 00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:14,400 Right, 'cause it's, it's a lot of work on your body. 594 00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:17,640 Yeah, yeah, it's expensive and it's a lot of work on your body. 595 00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:23,280 And maybe now I think, you know, maybe the prevailing sentiment 596 00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:27,520 around it has changed to becoming much more preventative 597 00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:31,040 and people encouraging you to do it earlier. 598 00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:34,840 But then also there's a lot more fertility startups around. 599 00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:37,560 So I think there's also a lot more marketing around it. 600 00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:41,200 Yeah, that, that was generally the the guidance and the 601 00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:44,000 prevailing thinking I think maybe five years ago. 602 00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:46,960 And I do think in the last five years it has shifted. 603 00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:49,600 I do think so too. There's a lot more companies 604 00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:53,200 focused on egg freezing, also IVF and just fertility in 605 00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:57,600 general for both men and women. So yeah, I mean, it's all it's 606 00:32:57,600 --> 00:33:00,120 pretty grueling on the body. Like you have to inject 607 00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:03,480 yourself. You have to like put these 608 00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:06,080 hormones in your body with a needle. 609 00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:10,280 Ronny Chieng has a hilarious special that came out on Netflix 610 00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:14,800 very recently and where he talks about like having to help his 611 00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:18,880 wife inject herself for I think. I don't know if it's egg 612 00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:22,560 freezing or just egg retrieval, making embryos, whatever, but 613 00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:24,360 hilarious special. You guys should watch it. 614 00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:28,640 But it's like, so spot on, where he's just like, you get the 615 00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:31,920 package, you know, that you're with all the hormones, you have 616 00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:34,480 to do it yourself at home. Like, none of us are trained 617 00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:36,120 experts. We're not nurses. 618 00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:38,800 We're not doctors. And you he, Ronny Chang, talks 619 00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:40,600 about, like, mixing the serum yourself. 620 00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:42,080 Is that what you have to do? Yeah. 621 00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:44,280 He's like, he's like, I'm no scientist. 622 00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:45,880 And then like, he's like, I'm pouring. 623 00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:49,400 He's like, and I have to inject this weird concoction that I 624 00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:52,480 made, making sure it's like at the right meniscus millimeter. 625 00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:55,680 It's actually very stressful because it they're all 626 00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:58,520 prescription and they actually are very expensive, so you. 627 00:33:58,520 --> 00:33:59,880 Don't want to mess up. Right. 628 00:33:59,880 --> 00:34:04,120 So the first time that we did it, we actually messed up the 629 00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:06,320 first dose and so we had to throw it away. 630 00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:09,000 How you just like measured it wrong, Yeah. 631 00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:14,639 I don't know, my partner did it, my ex partner did the mixing. 632 00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:20,719 Ladies, if he doesn't know how to read the meniscus on the lab 633 00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:24,800 test tube or the beaker, he's got to go. 634 00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:29,159 OK, so I thought it was maybe understandable. 635 00:34:29,199 --> 00:34:34,880 Anyway, I do think, OK, I think I'll start at the beginning 636 00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:38,320 about even thinking about it and thinking, considering doing it 637 00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:41,560 and how you decide. So I had a partner at the time, 638 00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:45,679 we were not yet engaged, but we were imminently about to get 639 00:34:45,679 --> 00:34:48,080 engaged. So, so one factor people think 640 00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:51,159 about a lot is should we freeze eggs or should we freeze 641 00:34:51,159 --> 00:34:55,159 embryos? Protect yourself ladies, Freeze 642 00:34:55,159 --> 00:34:57,400 your eggs. I mean, we, we see now how this 643 00:34:57,400 --> 00:35:01,400 turned out. So luckily I froze eggs, but the 644 00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:05,400 reason why I did it is because I had talked to a few of my 645 00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:09,440 girlfriends and I had heard enough kind of horror stories 646 00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:13,480 and I'll I'll share one here. So this is a friend of a friend 647 00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:18,960 who ended up freezing her eggs because she got cancer. 648 00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:23,520 And so she knew that after the cancer treatment, she and her 649 00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:27,520 fiance wouldn't wouldn't be able to have children naturally. 650 00:35:27,720 --> 00:35:32,120 So they actually went ahead and they froze embryos together and 651 00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:33,440 I think they ended up getting married. 652 00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:38,080 But after all that, they ended up getting divorced. 653 00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:42,720 And she wanted to use her embryos that she froze to have 654 00:35:42,720 --> 00:35:44,840 children 'cause that was the only way she could. 655 00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:47,760 She didn't have any more eggs or embryos left that she could use. 656 00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:53,720 And he said no so. That's so heartbreaking. 657 00:35:53,720 --> 00:35:56,680 I know, isn't that really sad? That makes me want to cry. 658 00:35:56,720 --> 00:36:00,480 I know. Sorry to make you cry, but. 659 00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:03,080 So what happened? So she just can't use them. 660 00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:05,560 She can't use them. I know. 661 00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:09,560 That's really sad, so. So that sue him, sue him, sue 662 00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:13,920 him for damages. He had it coming. 663 00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:21,240 He had it coming. You should have been there. 664 00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:27,520 If you'd have seen it, I bet you you would have done the same. 665 00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:31,960 Anyway, we love show tunes. We love show tunes. 666 00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:34,360 If you guys have seen Chicago, yeah. 667 00:36:35,720 --> 00:36:38,400 But yeah, so that's a Horror Story. 668 00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:41,560 That is a that is a horror yes story. 669 00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:44,880 Someone needs to write a documentary biopic about that. 670 00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:47,960 I've heard sort of other similar versions of that too, but that's 671 00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:50,000 just the one that sticks out in my mind the most. 672 00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:51,960 Why would you? Freeze embryos. 673 00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:56,080 And like, unless the guy is like, I think women should 674 00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:57,760 always protect themselves. Yeah. 675 00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:01,240 And unless the guy has like a problem like I guess a cancer or 676 00:37:01,240 --> 00:37:04,240 something like something like that, but can't, I don't know, 677 00:37:04,240 --> 00:37:06,720 like can someone tell us why you would make embryos? 678 00:37:06,720 --> 00:37:08,640 I would just. It's because actually 679 00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:13,000 historically embryos are much more successful than just 680 00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:15,280 freezing eggs. So that was, that's why it's a 681 00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:21,000 point of consideration because over most of the time where egg 682 00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:25,320 freezing was existing, the rate of success from a frozen egg to 683 00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:28,600 a live birth versus frozen embryo to a live birth, I see 684 00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:32,000 there was a vast difference. OK, in this case, split the 685 00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:35,240 difference. Some eggs, some embryos. 686 00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:40,680 So that was one big input into why I decided to freeze eggs, 687 00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:42,480 the horror stories about embryos. 688 00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:47,200 And then the second one is that my doctor, Doctor Mars, who's 689 00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:51,680 out of the game now, he's since retired, but apparently he did 690 00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:56,800 the first IVF baby in history, California or history or 691 00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:59,880 something crazy like, whoa, it's on the website. 692 00:37:59,880 --> 00:38:01,120 Yeah, I have to look it up. Yeah. 693 00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:05,800 But the other reason is because he told me the freezing 694 00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:09,880 technology has advanced so much now that the difference in 695 00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:15,360 success between frozen embryos versus frozen eggs is only 4% 696 00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:20,600 now versus, I think before it used to be a much wider gap that 697 00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:23,800 was at 4% absolute. Is it 4% relative? 698 00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:26,280 I have no idea. But that was basically all I 699 00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:29,720 needed to hear. Yes, I felt so much better after 700 00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:30,840 he told me that. Yeah. 701 00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:34,320 So then that's how I moved forward with freezing eggs. 702 00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:39,880 So for me, based on what I well, based on my lived experience, 703 00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:42,480 that was definitely the right choice. 704 00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:45,600 Yes. Oh my God, I can't even imagine 705 00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:48,680 the alternative. It would just be really sad to 706 00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:54,960 yeah, I can't like imagine if you had the embryos and they 707 00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:56,600 would never get to. That's your. 708 00:38:56,600 --> 00:38:57,800 Literally your. Friend. 709 00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:00,200 Oh, yeah, Your friend, Your friend of my friend, The friend 710 00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:01,480 of your friend who had the embryos. 711 00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:05,240 Yeah, like could never even. Oh my gosh that would be so sad, 712 00:39:05,240 --> 00:39:08,520 especially after going through. Cancer treatments and all that 713 00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:10,560 stuff. Yeah, and then all of the the 714 00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:12,520 onus of egg freezing, it's a lot. 715 00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:17,000 That's my work. It's a lot emotionally because 716 00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:21,160 sometimes it's not successful. There's just so many parts of it 717 00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:25,000 because the other way to look to look at it is in some ways it's 718 00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:28,320 almost like having a mini. Pregnancy. 719 00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:30,240 Yeah. For those of you who are not 720 00:39:30,240 --> 00:39:32,480 familiar, who are watching this, like you have, like we said, you 721 00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:36,480 have to inject yourself and you have hormone patches. 722 00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:40,120 You have to have your blood taken towards the end every day. 723 00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:44,080 You. And like, a lot of the changes 724 00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:47,160 in hormones in your body also, like affect your mood. 725 00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:51,680 It also affects your weight. I've heard a lot of girlfriends 726 00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:53,720 who've gotten the procedure done, They're like, there's a 727 00:39:53,720 --> 00:39:55,640 lot of weight fluctuation, then weight gain. 728 00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:57,200 I just feel horrible about my body. 729 00:39:57,280 --> 00:39:59,720 But this is like a necessary step that we have to do. 730 00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:02,240 On the other hand, like obviously men don't have to do 731 00:40:02,240 --> 00:40:05,640 that. With the egg freezing procedure, 732 00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:09,000 so yeah, a lot of the pressure is on women emotionally and 733 00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:12,680 physically, yeah, so to. That point, my way of thinking 734 00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:16,640 about it or the way that I experienced it, and maybe this 735 00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:20,080 can be helpful for some other people, is that if you're doing 736 00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:23,720 that together with a partner, it really is a sort of gauntlet 737 00:40:23,720 --> 00:40:25,520 that you're going through together. 738 00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:31,480 And it's a really good way to understand how each of you act 739 00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:35,760 and react and go through a challenging time together and 740 00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:38,160 what roles you sort of naturally take. 741 00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:42,880 So for me, from my perspective, if you're in a relationship 742 00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:48,360 where you purport to be 5050 and it's a true partnership, then 743 00:40:48,720 --> 00:40:53,400 for me, because the woman who is taking on the actual physical 744 00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:57,320 burden of doing the egg freezing for the benefit of the couple 745 00:40:57,320 --> 00:40:59,960 going forward. So you can have children, right? 746 00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:02,960 She's doing all the physical work. 747 00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:05,960 She's taking on all of the pain. She's taking on all of the 748 00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:10,160 emotional burdens that are caused by the hormones. 749 00:41:10,720 --> 00:41:14,760 In that case, I think the other partner should be doing 750 00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:19,160 everything that they possibly can to take all the other things 751 00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:23,120 off of the woman's hands. I think that partner should be 752 00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:26,240 making the appointments. I think that partner should be 753 00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:29,760 figuring out picking up all of the prescriptions. 754 00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:32,520 I think the partner should be doing all the paperwork. 755 00:41:32,720 --> 00:41:36,240 They should be, you know, mixing the the potions. 756 00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:39,360 If you trust them to not make a mistake. 757 00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:44,000 In the potions and I just think. That to me would be indicative 758 00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:48,200 of someone who really wants to be in it. 5050 with you. 759 00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:52,000 I like how you said like seeing the natural roles that people 760 00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:56,280 take too, because I think if someone is unwilling or like 761 00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:58,360 unwilling to do that, OK, I'm fine. 762 00:41:58,360 --> 00:41:59,880 Show me that you're unwilling to do that. 763 00:41:59,880 --> 00:42:03,240 And like when we actually have a kid together, if we have a kid 764 00:42:03,240 --> 00:42:05,680 together, is this what life is going to look like? 765 00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:09,760 It's like a fantastic mini test instead of getting a dog 766 00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:12,240 together, like eggs together. I don't know. 767 00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:14,120 I don't know. It's just like those are 768 00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:17,840 multiple tests that you guys can run in your interrogation. 769 00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:21,080 That's part of information collecting, so that you can 770 00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:22,520 figure out how you feel about it. 771 00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:27,080 Yeah, and I'm not saying that there's one right way or 772 00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:29,400 another, right? Maybe some people are in a 773 00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:34,240 relationship where they both mutually agree that doing 774 00:42:34,240 --> 00:42:38,080 something like egg freezing falls under the category of 775 00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:40,440 child rearing. And in a heterosexual 776 00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:44,480 relationship that is squarely in the responsibility of the the 777 00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:48,760 woman. Maybe I that's not how I would 778 00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:51,280 live my life, but that's a valid way to go about. 779 00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:54,320 But as long as you're in agreement, right, and you're 780 00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:58,440 each sort of playing the roles and doing the responsibilities 781 00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:01,440 that you each expect the other person to do, Yeah, I think 782 00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:03,440 it's, it's just all about expectations. 783 00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:06,400 It's about what you say you'll do. 784 00:43:06,720 --> 00:43:09,480 And then? Actually do actually doing it, 785 00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:11,000 yeah. How you portray yourself, how 786 00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:14,240 you sort of advertise or market yourself to be. 787 00:43:14,240 --> 00:43:19,040 If you're saying that you're a very progressive 5050 partner 788 00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:21,920 male in a heterosexual relationship then. 789 00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:23,200 Show me. Yeah. 790 00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:26,920 Thanks for joining us for this special episode in Season 3 of 791 00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:30,880 Tiger Sisters. We really put ourselves out 792 00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:34,040 there for this episode, especially me. 793 00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:39,320 Totally so, and we love that. Yeah, and the reason I do it is 794 00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:42,640 because I'm hoping it can be helpful to you guys because I 795 00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:46,800 feel like I've gained so much wisdom and information and 796 00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:50,200 advice from my girlfriends that I really want to share it with 797 00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:52,880 everyone because information is power. 798 00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:56,480 And that's how you can. That's how you feel empowered to 799 00:43:56,480 --> 00:44:00,840 go through life with confidence, not just in your career, but 800 00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:03,720 also in your all the other decisions you're making in your 801 00:44:03,720 --> 00:44:07,120 life day-to-day. So I would love to hear from you 802 00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:08,400 guys. We would love to hear from you 803 00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:13,320 guys on what resonated with you, if you have any questions, what 804 00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:17,120 touched you and also please share this episode with someone 805 00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:19,840 who you think you would be helpful for because we really 806 00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:23,160 want to get as much information out there as possible. 807 00:44:24,240 --> 00:44:26,800 Yes. Thank you guys for tuning in. 808 00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:30,440 Please remember to like, comment, and subscribe if you're 809 00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:32,760 not already subscribed. 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