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We don't usually do this. We usually keep it very profesh.
But in this episode, we're going to be talking about dating,
dating advice, and answering some of the questions that you
guys have asked us on our personal lives.
So the reason we decided to do this episode is because we got a
lot of questions about our dating lives and our personal
lives and what our statuses. So we're going to answer them.
And since we talked about professional stuff for the
previous podcast, it's nice to have a bit of a balance so you
can understand us more as people, which is what this whole
podcast is about. And so we're going to be opening
up that side to you. Yes, and I think we should do a
whole separate episode about this.
But the point of Tiger Sisters is not just that we want you to
have a successful career and like a successful professional
life, but really what we want to do with this podcast is to have
a really holistic approach to living a, you know, joyful,
wealthy and fun life. That's one of the reasons why I
wanted to create this podcast with you too, is because like,
so much of our early careers, we're so focused on like, the
academic achievements and the professional achievements that
like, I feel like sometimes there have been sacrifices in
the personal life or the personal department.
And so it's really important that like, we focus on that now
and we just talk about some of the things that we've gone
through so that, you know, like, how do you balance, like, work
and dating? Like that's a very real thing
that like, girlfriends talk about.
Yeah, cool. We have mailbag where we take
like questions and DMS from you guys and we answer it.
So the first thing is that I have someone named Philip
Sebastian who said is your sister single?
I might have a friend that might be a good match.
That's. Probably one too many mites for
me. Yeah, seriously.
Yes, he's very successful in VC, sold his company YC, etcetera,
but he's a really nice guy and smart.
And I said who is it? And then they said this person
and gave me their personal website and apparently he is a
tech entrepreneur, investor and collector.
A collector of what? A collector of what?
Collector of women in binders? Does anyone still get that joke?
Wait, what is that I just. Remember when Mitt Romney was
running for president and he was like, and people were like, you
haven't you're not nominating any women for your like bored.
And he was like, I have lots of women.
I have tons of women in binders. Maybe he was like reviewing
resumes of like women in binders.
But then. That was, oh wait, I was.
OK, please tell me some people are watching this who understand
that reference. I thought you were making a
weird like serial killer reference.
Yes, but that was like the second layer of the joke, but
you needed to get the original reference to then get the second
layer of the joke. OK, well hopefully he's not
collecting actual women in binders.
Hopefully he's collecting art, but we don't know.
So anyways, Gene, I would love to ask you, are you single?
What is your status? OK, so yes, I am single and I
guess in general I actually feel pretty nervous talking about
this topic just because I'm very new to this whole creator
lifestyle and creator career. And so I'm not as used to
putting myself out there as much as Sharia is like you've been
doing it for. 4. Plus years, yeah, like almost
five years now and you're just so fluid and good at it.
Whereas for me, I think like naturally, I'm a much more
private person, but I do think back to what we said earlier,
like dating and relationships and friendships are just such a
critical and important part of living like a holistically happy
life that we should talk about it.
So yes, that's all to say that I am single.
I am recently single. And how does this person sound
to you if this guy who might be a friend, who might be a friend,
very successful in venture capital, sold his company Y
Combinator? Yeah, I mean, that sounds like a
good resume. I mean, that's not that's not
like an automatic. Yes, we'd want to know more
about him, but. It's interesting that this
person is recommended from another person, basically
someone who DM Ed me. But like you don't know this
person who DM Ed you. No, I don't.
OK. So it's kind of.
It's a little bit risky. Yeah, it's funny, but it's also
risky. Like, what are your thoughts now
about dating apps versus, like, getting a friend to recommend
someone? Yeah, well, I did use.
Dating apps a lot like I was on them a bunch when I was single,
but that was back in like, you know, I used them up until 2015,
I guess. Oh wow, that's a long time ago.
That's like almost 10 years ago. You kind of remind me of my
boss. Like one of my old bosses was
dating someone for 10 years before he got married.
And he would always like ask me like, what's it like on the
dating apps? He's like, what is it?
What do you guys even do? What question?
What hit up, like hit up lines do you get?
And so I would kind of like decode it for him.
This is when I was like, 20-3. Yeah.
I'm like, look at all my matches.
And they're like, would you respond to that?
Like, show me their profiles? Like, it was just a fun
conversation. But he was like, so out of the
dating game, Yeah, that he's, like seeing it for the first
time. Yeah, I mean, what is funny and
kind of like mortifying is that I was like looking at my
friend's Hinge profile the other day and I was like trying to,
like scroll through things. And I, like, couldn't even, I
like, didn't even know how to, like, operate it anymore.
I was like trying to scroll through the, like, carousel and
it didn't work. And I was like, what's wrong
with this? And then she was like, here,
look, you do this. And I was like, and then I like
totally like blamed it on the app.
I was like, the tap zone is too small here.
Like they need to like work on that.
Like you need to shake and like send in a report.
Technology has evolved since 2015.
Yeah. So I think in general, I'm not
opposed to dating apps, but I also am not on them now.
And I kind of am just, maybe this is naive, but I'm kind of
just hoping that I just meet people organically and through
friends and it just magically happens.
Yeah, I don't know if that's, I mean, I don't know if that's
naive. I think that's optimistic, but
also like it's much better from what I've heard and seen to like
get a friend referral to like if you are looking to date or get
serious. It's like way more serious when
your friend recommends someone because especially if it's
someone that you trust, it's already vetted And then like
they might know you, they know the other person really well.
Like, it's kind of like a matchmaker.
Yeah, I haven't really dated anyone seriously who I was like
set up with, but. I've actually never been set up
with. I would love to be set up.
Oh yeah, do your work, do your work, people.
OK, And since no one asks, I'm also so.
Sorry, I'm also learning how to ask her more questions on these.
Yes, aside from usually I'll say, how about you?
I'm like, that's not a real question.
You could say like, I'm not so curious how would you answer
this question, but you can't say how about you?
OK, work on it, but back to me. OK, I guess for me my experience
with using dating apps 10 years ago.
What was that? When I was, you know, just five
years old, I I've never really had a serious relationship with
anyone who I met through dating app that I wouldn't have already
potentially met through a friend of a friend or through a friend,
if that makes sense. Like you met someone on a dating
app, but you had met them in real life already.
I could have met them in real life, like we had enough mutual
and I don't even know if that was like a serious relationship
that was like on and off for like 5 or six months or
something. Pretty much everyone who I've
dated seriously has been through like school or like meeting
work. Or work.
Oh my God, we had to talk about that.
The coworkers, but also I. She's very against it.
I'm super against it. Having dated a Co worker, I'm
very against it. Well, I was also going to say
like that's pretty good though. Like you've met people very
organically in your life and you haven't really had to like use
the dating apps, which I think a lot of people have found success
on dating apps. So it's like definitely a good
Ave. for some people. Yeah, I've also never, I've
never like dated a random person.
Like, you know how on TV or in books and stuff, it always seems
like people will like go up to someone at a bar or you'll, or
you'll like meet someone when you're out and then you'll like
give them your phone number and then you'll like go on a date.
Does that happen for people? Does that happen to you guys?
Like maybe I just have too much like ingrained stranger dangers,
but I like don't feel. Comfortable with that.
I feel like I mean there's definitely some level of
stranger danger there, but like I feel like that happens less
and less now that like we have so many touch points with people
on like Instagram and people are just like so focused on their
phones when they go out. Like I think it happens much
less now than like in like the 2000s or.
Whatever. Yeah.
OK. So for you, you're also newly
single. Yes, I am newly single.
In a new city. In a new city.
How are you feeling about that? I feel optimistic but also like
very weird. I'm like smiling because like
it's it, it's exciting. Like I think I'm still
processing my previous relationship.
I dated someone at school. It was like a very fulfilling, a
very connected relationship. And I would say like, I've
learned a lot from my from that relationship about myself and
like what I want going forward, which I think was really
important for me. But I don't know, I think dating
is weird. I went on one date and it was
someone who I had met in person at one of your friends house
parties and at first I was like is this a date?
It's not a date, it was of. Course it was a date.
Yeah, it was a date, Yeah. Duh.
Well, they didn't say like, do you want to go on a date?
I don't know. Anyways, it was just like really
subtle. But anyways, it was a date and I
was surprised. Like I really enjoyed myself.
I think coming out of my last relationship, I was like, I
don't know, I feel like I still need to process stuff, and I
think I do. But like, I was like, I should
probably just get out there and like, see what it's like to,
like, meet someone. Yeah.
And I really had fun. Yeah.
I told this to my girlfriends, and they're just like, wait a
second, hold up. Did you have fun because this
person was engaging and interesting?
Or did you have fun because you, Cherie, are engaging and
interesting? I mean hopefully both I guess.
Yeah, but that's something that my girlfriends called out
because it's like, I've enjoyed myself.
And they're like, yeah, but like, you're so interesting that
of course you enjoyed yourself. Yeah, I have definitely been on
dates where after like a few dates with someone, you're like,
wait, am I like the entertainer here?
Like, am I am I like the entertainment?
Like what? So this guy was, this was a long
time ago, obviously, but this guy was an investment banker.
And what? He was like, idiotic.
I'm just kidding. I'm kidding.
Oh, it's so funny. He was like extremely successful
and he was, I don't think I've ever told you this.
He was, he was literally, he was a collector of cars.
Oh. And he picked me up in.
Oh, you did tell me this. Was this in San Francisco?
Yes. He he picked me up in Oh my God,
I don't remember the car now. Oh, OK.
He picked me up in one of his cars, which was a Scuderia.
I have no idea what. I don't remember which like car
brand that is, but it was like a.
The car people know. And then he like, took me to
this like really fancy, like Michelin star restaurant, blah,
blah, blah. But he was just so boring.
Like all he really cared about was he loved his job, which like
so happy for him, but he like didn't really have that many
interests. Did you only go on one date?
No, we went on a few dates and also he was again a friend of a
friend. So that's how I even got to know
him. Is that like we had hung out a
few times in like a friend context, like a group friend
context, like he like made it clear that he was interested in
me. So then we went on a couple
dates or we went on a few dates. No, he was like a really nice
guy, but I was just like the conversation was not giving
well, I think in. That case, like what is that
show like? Are you looking for someone
who's like, interesting? I'm not even interesting about
Is it like funny? Is it like?
Yeah, I know. That's your like #1 yeah,
requirement, right? It is now OK After I dated the
last person from school, I realized how much I felt like
when we were dating. It felt like I was back in high
school again. We were just like laughing and
giggling all the time and it was just like so much levity in my
life. And I'm like a very like
cheerful person and I love to laugh.
And I felt like she. Lol loves to.
Laugh but like I forgot what it felt like to laugh like that
with someone. It's like joke around and just
be so playful, like bringing like child like play back into
the relationship. Like when I am, I don't know,
like 50 or 60, like I still want that to be a core tenant of my
relationship in the future. And the person I had dated
before was like very different from that, like a.
Little more serious. Yeah.
I feel like a few of the people that you've dated can be put
into the bucket of like, Oh my God.
What you're like analyzing? Of like really attractive but
kind of stoic. Really.
Oh, I can see that. Yeah, like just not very
humorous or playful. Yeah, like nice people.
Yeah, but. They like take themselves very
seriously, yes, which I found out like I don't, I'm not very,
I mean, I guess I am drawn to that, but like moving forward,
like that's not something I want or I'm looking for in a partner
really. I think it's so much more fun
when people don't take themselves seriously.
Yeah, yeah, it's fun to. It's fun to have fun.
I mean, like your partner is going to be the number one
person that you speak to and like make life decisions with
and like build a life and probably potentially a family
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One of the questions that we got on my Instagram was like, how do
you balance life and work, dating and work, and what
happens when you're trying to like, excel in your career?
That's a great question. I think what the question
actually does though, the way that it's worded is that it kind
of actually falsely implies that dating and relationships and
work life are actually like perfectly separated in different
buckets. I think the reality of it is
that especially for people who are so invested in their work
lives and their professional lives that oftentimes they end
up being one in the same. Because if you're spending like
40 to 100 hours at work every week, like you don't really have
as many more opportunities to build meaningful relationships
or to like meet other people. And then also just proximity and
like repeated exposure builds interest I think is another
reality. People that you work with, yes,
guilty. Yeah, guilty.
It might work out for some people to date their Co workers.
Like if it's the love of your life, like I think there have
been really successful stories, but for me it has not worked
out. And people usually say don't
shit where you eat, which is basically like don't date where
you work. Yeah.
If they're on your immediate team, like that's pretty weird.
Like it can get pretty weird if you guys are at the same
company. It's a big company.
Like, sure, like things can be normal if things go South, but
like, you have to like end up seeing that.
If you have to end up seeing that person in a meeting or at
your work every single day, like just imagine how like stressful
that is. If you are in a situation where
you really want to date someone at work, maybe a reasonable
compromise is that you can just hold off and see if one of you
ends up leaving the company. And then you can date after the
fact and after you're, you know, have less like interactions that
are work. Related related anyway, so my my
advice is try not to date anyone at work and if you can hold off
I think that would be a really good idea.
Yeah, maybe like the way that you can look at it is that the
people that you meet and interact with at work are like a
pool of people you could potentially date in the future.
Yeah. So that you can get to know
everyone as like a Co worker and as a friend.
And then in the future maybe something develops from it.
Thinking back for myself, that's been some of my more positive
relationships. People that I I had originally
met through work, but then we hadn't dated until after the
fact, sometimes even like years, like a year later or something
like that. Really.
That's kind of romantic. Yeah.
I think maybe that's also my personality is that I'm kind of
more of like a slow burn person or like I like to feel like
really comfortable with a person.
So that's why like for me, I was saying like pretty much all the
people I dated seriously, I like knew them and then hung out with
them multiple times in totally platonic situations, oftentimes
like years or even like a month before we like actually tried
out a romantic relationship. Interesting.
I think I'm the opposite. Oh really?
Aside from someone who's funny, what are you looking for?
I think it's really important for me to find someone who
challenges me. Oh, true.
Both like, physically and like, intellectually, Yeah.
One of my like, favorite things about my one of my past
relationships was that Beep was a really good snowboarder.
Right, that's what I thought. He was a really good snowboarder
and I ski. And one of my most like fondest
memories is when we went skiing slash snowboarding together and
he would take me down mountains that were literally like turn
around, you may die, we're not responsible for your death.
And I was definitely not at his level.
And we got into like fights on the mountain because it would
take me like way longer to get down.
But he was like there to like coach me through it all and
stuff. And I think it made us stronger
at the end. And that was like very much like
a physical challenge that I really.
Enjoyed. I want to put that in a
different way for you. I think you enjoy people.
Who? You learn from.
Yes, 100% yes. I.
Agree, that is also something that I really value.
I don't think I could ever date someone who I didn't think was
smart for me like that is well, that's.
Like the intellectual, like challenge, like yes, like you
want them to like push you intellectually and like, yeah,
have a conversation that's. True, but like you can learn
stuff from people who are not intellectual.
Right. Yeah, I like to be challenged.
I like to learn from other people.
And then also I feel like I like to be pushed as well.
One of the good things from my last relationship was that I
felt like we constantly had conversations that pushed me out
of my comfort zone. And it was like a very like safe
place. It's like have those
conversations, those debates, for example, we talk about, I
don't know, something that's like happening in the world are
like happening in like the economic markets.
And I was like, Oh, I don't really understand that.
But like it pushed me to like want to understand.
And I didn't feel dumb being like, Oh, I don't understand
this thing because like I know I'm not a dumb person.
And I think like having that level of trust, that respect
that like they're like, I understand you.
And I also want to like help you understand this.
And like I would do that for him in like other aspects where I
felt more like well versed. So she wants a nerd I.
Love nerds. You got to be a nerd.
You have to be a funny nerd and something like in the
combination of that is. Who is also an amazing skier or
snowboarder and golfer. And golfer, I love if you can
teach me golf like that's bonus 10 points.
I would say like in the intersection of like nerd and
funny is you have to be witty. Like I love puns.
And I think if someone is like witty and like is she wants that
repartee that banta, she wants the banta.
Like the witty sense of humor is so like attractive.
It's very funny. Kind of like a stand up
comedian. Without the depression, do we
get through all the attributes? Anything else?
Oh, I have another one. OK, tell me I.
Really love. I'm really into people who
prioritize fitness, right? Like physical fitness, because
normally I am, I think, a bit of a couch potato or like I lean.
Towards you are not a couch potato at all.
I. Lean towards couch potato like
there there's days where I can go like 2-3, four days without
working out. That doesn't make you a couch
potato, guys. I don't think she knows what a
couch potato is. Well, I think I like someone
who's more active than I am, OK, to encourage you to challenge
you to challenge me. And then we can like, do
activities together, like play pickleball or tennis.
We can go to yoga together. My last my ex and I did like all
those things together. What if?
What if they're like pressuring you to be active every single
day though? I would like that.
What if they pressure you to do 2A days?
I don't know how I would feel about that.
Like I, it would make me like a healthier, better person.
I might be exhausted and like have to weigh like, you know,
the pros and cons of the time that in terms of like how am I
feeling and is my work impacted by how tired I.
What if they were like you must be a long distance runner and.
That's a weird criteria, but I think that only makes me
healthier. OK.
Like if we like did a half marathon or signed up for 1/2
marathon together and like how to put together a training plan
like that is only pushing me and challenging me in a good way.
OK, but what if it was the marathon?
I don't think I would ever do a marathon.
I think, yeah, I don't know. It's a bucket list item maybe?
OK, why are you trying to do me? Why are you trying to do a
gotcha? Why?
Because I'm trying to test the bounds.
I think. This interest of this what you
want? I think if it's 3A days, I'm
out. If it's sign up for a marathon,
maybe. Yeah, like I would.
It's a bucket list item. So to add to your list, she
wants a hot fit, funny nerd. Hot fit, funny, witty nerd.
Yes, who's into extreme cold sports?
Like curling, for example. Not curling.
So you're looking for a hot funny.
No, let's not. Let's not mislead anyone.
OK, just kidding. Just kidding.
OK, what about do you want to be in a power couple?
Oh. This is a tough question.
I am pro power couple. How would you define power
couple? Oh, that's also a good question.
A power couple, assuming that you are in a more traditional
relationship involving two people, a couple is two people
who have like high status within their professional lives, I
would say. And the high status could be
that they are influential, that they have power.
Obviously in a power couple, they are people of influence.
And it could be like whatever job that they have, they could
be like in a nonprofit, but they're a very influential
person. They could be working in finance
or whatever, influential person. But I would say that constitutes
a power couple. OK.
I like the idea of a power couple.
I think that's so fun, especially if you have someone
who is encouraging you and supporting you to get to the
next level. And you guys can be like
strategizing together. On like.
World domination, like that's exciting to me.
Have you ever felt like you were in a power couple?
My most recent accent mentioned that he thought we were a power
couple. Oh wow.
Or I guess someone mentioned to him someone from like work or
something that was much more senior to him.
And he told this person about me and that person deemed us a
power couple. And then my ex says she's more
the power and the power couple. But I like I would say in the
last, the last few, they kind of felt power couple.
Y Well, I think the person has to be ambitious.
I do think that the concept of the power couple, though
typically in a heterosexual relationship, favors the man.
Favors the man in terms of he holds the more most of the
power. Or no, just in terms of let's
say you have two people who start a relationship together at
the and they're the same age and we like hold their career
potential and their performance everything constant.
If you are growing a life together, like everything
outside of your careers, usually the woman is the one that has to
like take a step back in order. To.
Invest in the family. Would you rather are you saying
like the other alternative is like a stay at home dad?
The ideal is to be in a power couple, but I don't.
I'm trying to think of like, really successful examples.
I guess people are like, oh, Michelle and Barack Obama.
Serena and Alexis. Ohanian the interesting thing is
that they didn't become a couple until both of them essentially
reached their peak of their career.
Like I'm not saying they're like going down, but they like
reached extremely significant career highs and like then they
started being a couple. Let's talk about The
Bachelorette. That is a show that Cherie and I
watched together. I've been watching The Bachelor
for a long, long time. Much longer than you.
How long, How many years? How many decades have you been
like, so long. We love this new season with the
first Asian Bachelorette. Yeah, with Jen Tran.
So excited to see her on there. She's.
Yeah, I'm so proud of her. Me too.
I'm. Really proud of her.
I love this season and I love seeing her shine.
Yeah, well, so we actually Cherie hosted a Bachelorette
watch party earlier this week with her friends.
One of the things that we were talking about is that the topics
they talked about on the episode were just like topics we've
never seen explored. It's.
On the Bachelor, it's like this, this season is very intense.
Like they talk about like family way more like especially like
family like issues, like troubles growing up, like
self-confidence, like one of the contestants like was in the
military and like something horrible happened.
Like it's like a heavy season. But I think the reason why we're
actually exploring these topics for the first time is because of
Jen and because her background is very different than 99% of
the bachelorettes that came before her.
Historically, the franchise is a very like white and Christian
based franchise and also very traditional values of family.
Family. Yeah.
But like she talks about how she kind of grew up in a broken home
where her father abandoned her. And she has been very open about
like working through some of those issues.
I love it because it makes her feel so much more relatable.
Yeah. Because like, even if you
haven't gone through those things yourself, I can see the
emotion and the vulnerability that comes with that.
Whereas like, I feel like the past bachelorettes maybe they've
gone through like horrible breakups and like infidelity and
like other like, really traumatic stuff.
But like, I don't know. I'm just like talking about the
family and like a broken family in that way and issues of
self-confidence, like everything just feels like way much like
way more deep in this season. Yeah.
And now, the new Bachelor. Is your favorite?
No, it's not Marcus. Oh yeah, the.
New bachelor's grant. Yeah.
Who I guess was my favorite. Yeah, my favorite as of right
now is Marcus and with all just the context of the TV show that
we're watching. Yeah, that's true.
OK, that's fair. He is the front runner for me.
I think just he was in the military.
He's like a very sturdy, like it seems like a respectable,
responsible man. Yeah, although some Reddit
threads that I've read have raised issues about him, but
that's outside of the show. Outside.
Of the scope of the show, yeah. Outside of the scope.
That's out of the scope, outside of the scope objection.
Your Honor, that's an objection, Your Honor.
Libel. Yeah, objection, your Honor.
Hearsay. Yeah, wait.
But OK. But based on what you said
you're interested in your the person that you should like the
most would be Devin or or. Devin reminds me of my ex.
The most recent one, yeah, OK, but that he fits the cat.
Like the things that you said you're interested in.
You said you're interested in a funny, witty.
Nerd not nerdy enough, I think. The human, I guess you.
Don't know if anyone's nerdy. They don't really.
Well, we know that. Johnson and Marcus are nerdy
because they were doing a crossword puzzle.
OK. That was like a half second.
Well, I don't know, I feel like. The crossword puzzle doesn't
mean you nerdy, does it? It makes you nerdier.
It raises your nerdy level. Nerd Quotient Yes +5.
Well, Devin is just like the jokes that he makes are kind of
dumb to me. Like I don't, I think like dumb
humor. Like you can have dumb humor,
but you have to be smart to make dumb humor funny.
So you don't think he's funny? Not really.
I think he's funny. Well, you're right that Marcus
is very serious. Yeah, Marcus.
Is the stoic the stoic hot guy again?
Once again, he has no sense of humor.
I mean that we've seen in the episode.
Yes, that we've seen. That we've seen, Yeah.
Oh, no, you're right. That is my.
You see, I have an old type and I'm trying to evolve into a new
type. Yeah, so she wants the old type
again. No.
Wow, wow. We just revealed.
That was very revealing. Well, I that was very revealing.
Dang it, you know what? Cotter.
You know what? All the exes that have been
stoic and handsome are very like Marcus.
Like they're very like, like sturdy.
Yeah. I I like that because they're
responsible too. For the most part.
They're like very responsible, have their head on straight type
of person like I want to be. I want them to be very
dependable, which is what I like about Marcus.
And so like, can I have someone who's.
Can I dependable? Can she has?
Can I Can she has hamburger? May I has cheeseburger?
May I has please? May I has cheeseburger She just
wants someone who is the Venn diagram of dependable and
playful. Yes.
Can someone not be both? I am both.
Yeah. You are.
Yeah. So you want someone who's the
same as you? She wants a twin.
She wants a male twin. That's weird.
Narcissism. Just kidding.
Oh, wait. Who's the one?
Who's the one who has two earrings?
Jonathan. Jonathan.
Yeah, I. Really like Jonathan, he's my
number 2. After Marcus.
But they're so different. Are they?
That's the two archetypes that you're talking about.
Stoic and like, muscular, Sturdy.
I mean, they're they all have muscles because they're on.
Well, not all of them, Devin. Well, anyway, cut that out.
No, they all fit. Yeah.
OK, we'll forget it. I don't want to talk about
people's bodies. Stoic and not really much of A
sense of humor, but very, like, sturdy and dependable versus fun
playful. Yeah.
I'm worried about Jen because OK, my main take away of the
most recent episode where Marcus who his background is that he is
like a Army Ranger. So like a military vet.
He had like a major traumatic experience.
And he also when he was when he grew up, he was went through the
foster care system. So to me, even like watching
these episodes, I'm like, he has so much to work through.
I feel like he's going through like 10 years of therapy in
these like the five week long show.
I don't want for Jen to have to like, take all that on, even
though ironically, the fact that he has gone through all that is
I think why she sees him in such a positive light.
Like she's like, wow, you're so mature.
She like imputes all these really positive traits on him
because of the experience that he's gone through.
But she doesn't necessarily thinking through like the
downsides of them. Well, it might be like one of
her responses to hearing all of that is like maybe like an I can
fix him, yes, or like I can make him open up to me type of thing.
Yes. Which is Is that a fatal flaw
for a woman? It actually, it reminds me of
someone that I used to date like who was, it was a very serious
relationship in my 20s. This person was like super like
extremely smart, very playful, funny, et cetera.
He had had cancer during undergrad in college and he beat
it because of that. I think I sort of put him on
this pedestal where I was like, oh, he's so mature because he's
had this like life and death experience where he survived
cancer. I kind of viewed everything he
did through these more rose colored glasses where I just
assumed he was very mature and thoughtful.
Whereas I think if I hadn't known that about him, I would
have been more aware of some of the like bullshit.
So I think that this is what Jen is experiencing.
She has these same like rose colored glasses on because of
his like life experience. I want her to have like an easy
life because she's already had a lot of trauma herself.
I think it would be tough to then have to like pour herself
into helping someone else work through their trauma while also
building a relationship for the first time.
I guess it just depends on what everyone wants.
I don't know if someone would want that, but like someone
might be less like or more willing to take that on.
She's young. Anyways, all that to say, Jen,
we are rooting for you. Yeah.
We wish you nothing but the best and happiest.
Life. Yeah, Jen, you're doing great.
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