1 00:00:00,440 --> 00:00:02,600 This is a special episode. Yes, it is. 2 00:00:02,600 --> 00:00:05,560 Hi everyone. Hi everyone, Welcome to a very 3 00:00:05,560 --> 00:00:07,960 special episode of The Tiger Sisters. 4 00:00:07,960 --> 00:00:11,480 It's me and me, The Tiger Sisters. 5 00:00:11,720 --> 00:00:15,040 This podcast episode is for everyone but our mother. 6 00:00:15,040 --> 00:00:18,520 You are mom watching this right now. 7 00:00:18,560 --> 00:00:22,800 Turn this off this episode. It's not for your ears. 8 00:00:22,800 --> 00:00:25,560 It's not for you. close this video. 9 00:00:26,120 --> 00:00:28,800 Never open it up again. In this episode, we're going to 10 00:00:28,800 --> 00:00:30,880 be talking about all things personal. 11 00:00:31,040 --> 00:00:34,440 We don't usually do this. We usually keep it very profesh. 12 00:00:34,800 --> 00:00:38,000 But in this episode, we're going to be talking about dating, 13 00:00:38,280 --> 00:00:41,080 dating advice, and answering some of the questions that you 14 00:00:41,080 --> 00:00:43,400 guys have asked us on our personal lives. 15 00:00:56,000 --> 00:00:59,000 So the reason we decided to do this episode is because we got a 16 00:00:59,000 --> 00:01:02,640 lot of questions about our dating lives and our personal 17 00:01:02,640 --> 00:01:07,280 lives and what our statuses. So we're going to answer them. 18 00:01:07,920 --> 00:01:09,960 And since we talked about professional stuff for the 19 00:01:09,960 --> 00:01:13,000 previous podcast, it's nice to have a bit of a balance so you 20 00:01:13,000 --> 00:01:15,960 can understand us more as people, which is what this whole 21 00:01:15,960 --> 00:01:19,480 podcast is about. And so we're going to be opening 22 00:01:19,480 --> 00:01:23,240 up that side to you. Yes, and I think we should do a 23 00:01:23,240 --> 00:01:25,040 whole separate episode about this. 24 00:01:25,080 --> 00:01:28,800 But the point of Tiger Sisters is not just that we want you to 25 00:01:28,800 --> 00:01:33,120 have a successful career and like a successful professional 26 00:01:33,120 --> 00:01:37,000 life, but really what we want to do with this podcast is to have 27 00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:42,480 a really holistic approach to living a, you know, joyful, 28 00:01:42,760 --> 00:01:46,520 wealthy and fun life. That's one of the reasons why I 29 00:01:46,520 --> 00:01:49,400 wanted to create this podcast with you too, is because like, 30 00:01:49,400 --> 00:01:55,040 so much of our early careers, we're so focused on like, the 31 00:01:55,040 --> 00:01:58,360 academic achievements and the professional achievements that 32 00:01:58,360 --> 00:02:01,080 like, I feel like sometimes there have been sacrifices in 33 00:02:01,080 --> 00:02:03,560 the personal life or the personal department. 34 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:07,600 And so it's really important that like, we focus on that now 35 00:02:07,600 --> 00:02:09,479 and we just talk about some of the things that we've gone 36 00:02:09,479 --> 00:02:12,280 through so that, you know, like, how do you balance, like, work 37 00:02:12,280 --> 00:02:15,600 and dating? Like that's a very real thing 38 00:02:15,600 --> 00:02:17,120 that like, girlfriends talk about. 39 00:02:17,480 --> 00:02:20,440 Yeah, cool. We have mailbag where we take 40 00:02:20,720 --> 00:02:24,640 like questions and DMS from you guys and we answer it. 41 00:02:24,920 --> 00:02:28,000 So the first thing is that I have someone named Philip 42 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:32,200 Sebastian who said is your sister single? 43 00:02:32,640 --> 00:02:35,160 I might have a friend that might be a good match. 44 00:02:35,240 --> 00:02:36,960 I might have a friend that might be a good match. 45 00:02:36,960 --> 00:02:40,120 That's. Probably one too many mites for 46 00:02:40,120 --> 00:02:41,040 me. Yeah, seriously. 47 00:02:41,360 --> 00:02:46,720 Yes, he's very successful in VC, sold his company YC, etcetera, 48 00:02:47,080 --> 00:02:48,880 but he's a really nice guy and smart. 49 00:02:49,320 --> 00:02:53,080 And I said who is it? And then they said this person 50 00:02:53,920 --> 00:02:57,680 and gave me their personal website and apparently he is a 51 00:02:57,680 --> 00:03:00,840 tech entrepreneur, investor and collector. 52 00:03:00,840 --> 00:03:04,000 A collector of what? A collector of what? 53 00:03:04,320 --> 00:03:07,840 Collector of women in binders? Does anyone still get that joke? 54 00:03:07,840 --> 00:03:12,600 Wait, what is that I just. Remember when Mitt Romney was 55 00:03:12,600 --> 00:03:15,840 running for president and he was like, and people were like, you 56 00:03:15,840 --> 00:03:19,640 haven't you're not nominating any women for your like bored. 57 00:03:19,960 --> 00:03:21,440 And he was like, I have lots of women. 58 00:03:21,440 --> 00:03:25,280 I have tons of women in binders. Maybe he was like reviewing 59 00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:27,440 resumes of like women in binders. 60 00:03:27,440 --> 00:03:30,520 But then. That was, oh wait, I was. 61 00:03:30,880 --> 00:03:34,280 OK, please tell me some people are watching this who understand 62 00:03:34,280 --> 00:03:36,360 that reference. I thought you were making a 63 00:03:36,360 --> 00:03:38,440 weird like serial killer reference. 64 00:03:38,440 --> 00:03:41,760 Yes, but that was like the second layer of the joke, but 65 00:03:41,800 --> 00:03:44,720 you needed to get the original reference to then get the second 66 00:03:44,720 --> 00:03:46,600 layer of the joke. OK, well hopefully he's not 67 00:03:46,600 --> 00:03:49,160 collecting actual women in binders. 68 00:03:49,560 --> 00:03:51,760 Hopefully he's collecting art, but we don't know. 69 00:03:52,040 --> 00:03:55,160 So anyways, Gene, I would love to ask you, are you single? 70 00:03:55,160 --> 00:04:02,440 What is your status? OK, so yes, I am single and I 71 00:04:02,440 --> 00:04:06,080 guess in general I actually feel pretty nervous talking about 72 00:04:06,080 --> 00:04:12,240 this topic just because I'm very new to this whole creator 73 00:04:12,360 --> 00:04:16,000 lifestyle and creator career. And so I'm not as used to 74 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:18,920 putting myself out there as much as Sharia is like you've been 75 00:04:18,920 --> 00:04:21,880 doing it for. 4. Plus years, yeah, like almost 76 00:04:21,880 --> 00:04:25,120 five years now and you're just so fluid and good at it. 77 00:04:25,320 --> 00:04:28,000 Whereas for me, I think like naturally, I'm a much more 78 00:04:28,400 --> 00:04:33,320 private person, but I do think back to what we said earlier, 79 00:04:33,440 --> 00:04:37,280 like dating and relationships and friendships are just such a 80 00:04:37,280 --> 00:04:42,320 critical and important part of living like a holistically happy 81 00:04:42,320 --> 00:04:43,520 life that we should talk about it. 82 00:04:43,520 --> 00:04:47,040 So yes, that's all to say that I am single. 83 00:04:47,040 --> 00:04:51,280 I am recently single. And how does this person sound 84 00:04:51,280 --> 00:04:56,080 to you if this guy who might be a friend, who might be a friend, 85 00:04:57,440 --> 00:05:01,000 very successful in venture capital, sold his company Y 86 00:05:01,560 --> 00:05:04,560 Combinator? Yeah, I mean, that sounds like a 87 00:05:04,560 --> 00:05:09,960 good resume. I mean, that's not that's not 88 00:05:09,960 --> 00:05:12,720 like an automatic. Yes, we'd want to know more 89 00:05:12,720 --> 00:05:15,840 about him, but. It's interesting that this 90 00:05:15,840 --> 00:05:19,400 person is recommended from another person, basically 91 00:05:19,400 --> 00:05:21,760 someone who DM Ed me. But like you don't know this 92 00:05:21,760 --> 00:05:23,440 person who DM Ed you. No, I don't. 93 00:05:23,440 --> 00:05:24,720 OK. So it's kind of. 94 00:05:25,080 --> 00:05:27,840 It's a little bit risky. Yeah, it's funny, but it's also 95 00:05:27,840 --> 00:05:30,800 risky. Like, what are your thoughts now 96 00:05:31,520 --> 00:05:36,040 about dating apps versus, like, getting a friend to recommend 97 00:05:36,040 --> 00:05:38,040 someone? Yeah, well, I did use. 98 00:05:38,040 --> 00:05:41,560 Dating apps a lot like I was on them a bunch when I was single, 99 00:05:41,760 --> 00:05:47,800 but that was back in like, you know, I used them up until 2015, 100 00:05:47,920 --> 00:05:53,880 I guess. Oh wow, that's a long time ago. 101 00:05:53,880 --> 00:05:56,320 That's like almost 10 years ago. You kind of remind me of my 102 00:05:56,320 --> 00:05:58,800 boss. Like one of my old bosses was 103 00:05:58,800 --> 00:06:01,400 dating someone for 10 years before he got married. 104 00:06:01,680 --> 00:06:04,480 And he would always like ask me like, what's it like on the 105 00:06:04,480 --> 00:06:06,640 dating apps? He's like, what is it? 106 00:06:06,840 --> 00:06:08,720 What do you guys even do? What question? 107 00:06:08,880 --> 00:06:11,160 What hit up, like hit up lines do you get? 108 00:06:11,400 --> 00:06:13,200 And so I would kind of like decode it for him. 109 00:06:13,200 --> 00:06:15,120 This is when I was like, 20-3. Yeah. 110 00:06:15,120 --> 00:06:16,200 I'm like, look at all my matches. 111 00:06:16,200 --> 00:06:18,080 And they're like, would you respond to that? 112 00:06:18,080 --> 00:06:20,000 Like, show me their profiles? Like, it was just a fun 113 00:06:20,040 --> 00:06:21,760 conversation. But he was like, so out of the 114 00:06:21,760 --> 00:06:25,040 dating game, Yeah, that he's, like seeing it for the first 115 00:06:25,040 --> 00:06:27,560 time. Yeah, I mean, what is funny and 116 00:06:27,560 --> 00:06:30,400 kind of like mortifying is that I was like looking at my 117 00:06:30,400 --> 00:06:33,520 friend's Hinge profile the other day and I was like trying to, 118 00:06:33,520 --> 00:06:37,200 like scroll through things. And I, like, couldn't even, I 119 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:39,480 like, didn't even know how to, like, operate it anymore. 120 00:06:39,480 --> 00:06:42,360 I was like trying to scroll through the, like, carousel and 121 00:06:42,360 --> 00:06:43,840 it didn't work. And I was like, what's wrong 122 00:06:43,840 --> 00:06:44,920 with this? And then she was like, here, 123 00:06:44,920 --> 00:06:47,640 look, you do this. And I was like, and then I like 124 00:06:47,640 --> 00:06:48,840 totally like blamed it on the app. 125 00:06:48,840 --> 00:06:51,080 I was like, the tap zone is too small here. 126 00:06:51,160 --> 00:06:52,600 Like they need to like work on that. 127 00:06:52,600 --> 00:06:54,800 Like you need to shake and like send in a report. 128 00:06:54,960 --> 00:06:57,480 Technology has evolved since 2015. 129 00:06:57,480 --> 00:07:04,000 Yeah. So I think in general, I'm not 130 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:09,880 opposed to dating apps, but I also am not on them now. 131 00:07:10,320 --> 00:07:13,320 And I kind of am just, maybe this is naive, but I'm kind of 132 00:07:13,320 --> 00:07:18,200 just hoping that I just meet people organically and through 133 00:07:18,200 --> 00:07:21,880 friends and it just magically happens. 134 00:07:22,320 --> 00:07:25,120 Yeah, I don't know if that's, I mean, I don't know if that's 135 00:07:25,120 --> 00:07:28,440 naive. I think that's optimistic, but 136 00:07:28,440 --> 00:07:33,520 also like it's much better from what I've heard and seen to like 137 00:07:33,720 --> 00:07:38,040 get a friend referral to like if you are looking to date or get 138 00:07:38,040 --> 00:07:40,920 serious. It's like way more serious when 139 00:07:40,920 --> 00:07:43,320 your friend recommends someone because especially if it's 140 00:07:43,320 --> 00:07:46,840 someone that you trust, it's already vetted And then like 141 00:07:46,840 --> 00:07:49,560 they might know you, they know the other person really well. 142 00:07:49,560 --> 00:07:52,120 Like, it's kind of like a matchmaker. 143 00:07:52,240 --> 00:07:57,680 Yeah, I haven't really dated anyone seriously who I was like 144 00:07:57,840 --> 00:08:01,440 set up with, but. I've actually never been set up 145 00:08:01,440 --> 00:08:02,760 with. I would love to be set up. 146 00:08:03,640 --> 00:08:07,040 Oh yeah, do your work, do your work, people. 147 00:08:07,040 --> 00:08:09,400 OK, And since no one asks, I'm also so. 148 00:08:10,600 --> 00:08:13,760 Sorry, I'm also learning how to ask her more questions on these. 149 00:08:13,840 --> 00:08:16,400 Yes, aside from usually I'll say, how about you? 150 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:18,480 I'm like, that's not a real question. 151 00:08:19,360 --> 00:08:23,280 You could say like, I'm not so curious how would you answer 152 00:08:23,280 --> 00:08:25,000 this question, but you can't say how about you? 153 00:08:25,000 --> 00:08:36,200 OK, work on it, but back to me. OK, I guess for me my experience 154 00:08:36,200 --> 00:08:39,440 with using dating apps 10 years ago. 155 00:08:40,200 --> 00:08:44,159 What was that? When I was, you know, just five 156 00:08:44,159 --> 00:08:50,920 years old, I I've never really had a serious relationship with 157 00:08:50,920 --> 00:08:54,600 anyone who I met through dating app that I wouldn't have already 158 00:08:54,680 --> 00:08:57,760 potentially met through a friend of a friend or through a friend, 159 00:08:57,960 --> 00:09:01,000 if that makes sense. Like you met someone on a dating 160 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:02,840 app, but you had met them in real life already. 161 00:09:03,120 --> 00:09:07,000 I could have met them in real life, like we had enough mutual 162 00:09:07,320 --> 00:09:09,360 and I don't even know if that was like a serious relationship 163 00:09:09,360 --> 00:09:11,920 that was like on and off for like 5 or six months or 164 00:09:11,920 --> 00:09:13,760 something. Pretty much everyone who I've 165 00:09:13,760 --> 00:09:19,440 dated seriously has been through like school or like meeting 166 00:09:19,440 --> 00:09:20,680 work. Or work. 167 00:09:20,720 --> 00:09:22,120 Oh my God, we had to talk about that. 168 00:09:22,840 --> 00:09:25,560 The coworkers, but also I. She's very against it. 169 00:09:25,800 --> 00:09:28,040 I'm super against it. Having dated a Co worker, I'm 170 00:09:28,040 --> 00:09:31,240 very against it. Well, I was also going to say 171 00:09:31,240 --> 00:09:33,280 like that's pretty good though. Like you've met people very 172 00:09:33,280 --> 00:09:36,640 organically in your life and you haven't really had to like use 173 00:09:36,640 --> 00:09:40,240 the dating apps, which I think a lot of people have found success 174 00:09:40,240 --> 00:09:43,200 on dating apps. So it's like definitely a good 175 00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:46,640 Ave. for some people. Yeah, I've also never, I've 176 00:09:46,640 --> 00:09:48,600 never like dated a random person. 177 00:09:48,600 --> 00:09:52,720 Like, you know how on TV or in books and stuff, it always seems 178 00:09:52,720 --> 00:09:56,280 like people will like go up to someone at a bar or you'll, or 179 00:09:56,280 --> 00:09:58,760 you'll like meet someone when you're out and then you'll like 180 00:09:58,760 --> 00:10:01,240 give them your phone number and then you'll like go on a date. 181 00:10:01,400 --> 00:10:03,920 Does that happen for people? Does that happen to you guys? 182 00:10:03,920 --> 00:10:07,200 Like maybe I just have too much like ingrained stranger dangers, 183 00:10:07,880 --> 00:10:10,720 but I like don't feel. Comfortable with that. 184 00:10:10,960 --> 00:10:13,160 I feel like I mean there's definitely some level of 185 00:10:13,160 --> 00:10:16,520 stranger danger there, but like I feel like that happens less 186 00:10:16,520 --> 00:10:19,920 and less now that like we have so many touch points with people 187 00:10:20,200 --> 00:10:23,040 on like Instagram and people are just like so focused on their 188 00:10:23,040 --> 00:10:26,480 phones when they go out. Like I think it happens much 189 00:10:26,480 --> 00:10:29,800 less now than like in like the 2000s or. 190 00:10:29,800 --> 00:10:30,760 Whatever. Yeah. 191 00:10:30,920 --> 00:10:33,360 OK. So for you, you're also newly 192 00:10:33,360 --> 00:10:36,080 single. Yes, I am newly single. 193 00:10:36,080 --> 00:10:37,960 In a new city. In a new city. 194 00:10:37,960 --> 00:10:43,720 How are you feeling about that? I feel optimistic but also like 195 00:10:43,720 --> 00:10:46,040 very weird. I'm like smiling because like 196 00:10:46,080 --> 00:10:49,280 it's it, it's exciting. Like I think I'm still 197 00:10:49,280 --> 00:10:51,720 processing my previous relationship. 198 00:10:52,600 --> 00:10:56,800 I dated someone at school. It was like a very fulfilling, a 199 00:10:56,800 --> 00:11:00,280 very connected relationship. And I would say like, I've 200 00:11:00,280 --> 00:11:03,560 learned a lot from my from that relationship about myself and 201 00:11:03,560 --> 00:11:06,040 like what I want going forward, which I think was really 202 00:11:06,040 --> 00:11:08,920 important for me. But I don't know, I think dating 203 00:11:08,920 --> 00:11:11,640 is weird. I went on one date and it was 204 00:11:11,840 --> 00:11:15,480 someone who I had met in person at one of your friends house 205 00:11:15,480 --> 00:11:19,040 parties and at first I was like is this a date? 206 00:11:19,040 --> 00:11:21,200 It's not a date, it was of. Course it was a date. 207 00:11:21,400 --> 00:11:23,880 Yeah, it was a date, Yeah. Duh. 208 00:11:23,920 --> 00:11:26,240 Well, they didn't say like, do you want to go on a date? 209 00:11:26,280 --> 00:11:29,840 I don't know. Anyways, it was just like really 210 00:11:29,880 --> 00:11:32,240 subtle. But anyways, it was a date and I 211 00:11:32,240 --> 00:11:34,600 was surprised. Like I really enjoyed myself. 212 00:11:34,600 --> 00:11:37,720 I think coming out of my last relationship, I was like, I 213 00:11:37,720 --> 00:11:40,520 don't know, I feel like I still need to process stuff, and I 214 00:11:40,520 --> 00:11:42,600 think I do. But like, I was like, I should 215 00:11:42,600 --> 00:11:44,800 probably just get out there and like, see what it's like to, 216 00:11:44,800 --> 00:11:46,360 like, meet someone. Yeah. 217 00:11:46,600 --> 00:11:49,560 And I really had fun. Yeah. 218 00:11:50,200 --> 00:11:53,600 I told this to my girlfriends, and they're just like, wait a 219 00:11:53,600 --> 00:11:56,080 second, hold up. Did you have fun because this 220 00:11:56,080 --> 00:11:57,920 person was engaging and interesting? 221 00:11:58,080 --> 00:12:01,280 Or did you have fun because you, Cherie, are engaging and 222 00:12:01,280 --> 00:12:04,680 interesting? I mean hopefully both I guess. 223 00:12:04,680 --> 00:12:07,320 Yeah, but that's something that my girlfriends called out 224 00:12:07,440 --> 00:12:08,640 because it's like, I've enjoyed myself. 225 00:12:08,640 --> 00:12:11,080 And they're like, yeah, but like, you're so interesting that 226 00:12:11,080 --> 00:12:14,480 of course you enjoyed yourself. Yeah, I have definitely been on 227 00:12:14,480 --> 00:12:19,920 dates where after like a few dates with someone, you're like, 228 00:12:19,960 --> 00:12:23,520 wait, am I like the entertainer here? 229 00:12:23,520 --> 00:12:25,520 Like, am I am I like the entertainment? 230 00:12:25,520 --> 00:12:28,400 Like what? So this guy was, this was a long 231 00:12:28,400 --> 00:12:31,600 time ago, obviously, but this guy was an investment banker. 232 00:12:31,880 --> 00:12:38,480 And what? He was like, idiotic. 233 00:12:38,640 --> 00:12:39,600 I'm just kidding. I'm kidding. 234 00:12:39,640 --> 00:12:42,880 Oh, it's so funny. He was like extremely successful 235 00:12:43,280 --> 00:12:45,920 and he was, I don't think I've ever told you this. 236 00:12:46,160 --> 00:12:50,440 He was, he was literally, he was a collector of cars. 237 00:12:51,000 --> 00:12:54,040 Oh. And he picked me up in. 238 00:12:54,120 --> 00:12:56,280 Oh, you did tell me this. Was this in San Francisco? 239 00:12:56,280 --> 00:12:58,560 Yes. He he picked me up in Oh my God, 240 00:12:58,560 --> 00:13:01,000 I don't remember the car now. Oh, OK. 241 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:03,880 He picked me up in one of his cars, which was a Scuderia. 242 00:13:04,520 --> 00:13:06,800 I have no idea what. I don't remember which like car 243 00:13:06,800 --> 00:13:08,720 brand that is, but it was like a. 244 00:13:09,040 --> 00:13:10,920 The car people know. And then he like, took me to 245 00:13:10,920 --> 00:13:13,720 this like really fancy, like Michelin star restaurant, blah, 246 00:13:13,720 --> 00:13:15,880 blah, blah. But he was just so boring. 247 00:13:15,880 --> 00:13:19,920 Like all he really cared about was he loved his job, which like 248 00:13:19,920 --> 00:13:23,560 so happy for him, but he like didn't really have that many 249 00:13:23,560 --> 00:13:25,680 interests. Did you only go on one date? 250 00:13:25,800 --> 00:13:29,600 No, we went on a few dates and also he was again a friend of a 251 00:13:29,600 --> 00:13:31,160 friend. So that's how I even got to know 252 00:13:31,160 --> 00:13:33,520 him. Is that like we had hung out a 253 00:13:33,520 --> 00:13:36,640 few times in like a friend context, like a group friend 254 00:13:36,640 --> 00:13:39,760 context, like he like made it clear that he was interested in 255 00:13:39,760 --> 00:13:41,680 me. So then we went on a couple 256 00:13:41,680 --> 00:13:44,280 dates or we went on a few dates. No, he was like a really nice 257 00:13:44,280 --> 00:13:47,480 guy, but I was just like the conversation was not giving 258 00:13:48,240 --> 00:13:51,360 well, I think in. That case, like what is that 259 00:13:51,360 --> 00:13:53,480 show like? Are you looking for someone 260 00:13:53,480 --> 00:13:57,000 who's like, interesting? I'm not even interesting about 261 00:13:57,000 --> 00:13:59,160 Is it like funny? Is it like? 262 00:13:59,160 --> 00:14:01,960 Yeah, I know. That's your like #1 yeah, 263 00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:06,440 requirement, right? It is now OK After I dated the 264 00:14:06,440 --> 00:14:11,320 last person from school, I realized how much I felt like 265 00:14:11,840 --> 00:14:14,080 when we were dating. It felt like I was back in high 266 00:14:14,080 --> 00:14:16,320 school again. We were just like laughing and 267 00:14:16,320 --> 00:14:19,880 giggling all the time and it was just like so much levity in my 268 00:14:19,920 --> 00:14:22,640 life. And I'm like a very like 269 00:14:22,640 --> 00:14:25,200 cheerful person and I love to laugh. 270 00:14:25,720 --> 00:14:28,880 And I felt like she. Lol loves to. 271 00:14:29,040 --> 00:14:33,360 Laugh but like I forgot what it felt like to laugh like that 272 00:14:33,360 --> 00:14:35,200 with someone. It's like joke around and just 273 00:14:35,200 --> 00:14:38,760 be so playful, like bringing like child like play back into 274 00:14:38,760 --> 00:14:41,320 the relationship. Like when I am, I don't know, 275 00:14:41,320 --> 00:14:44,600 like 50 or 60, like I still want that to be a core tenant of my 276 00:14:44,600 --> 00:14:47,440 relationship in the future. And the person I had dated 277 00:14:47,440 --> 00:14:51,000 before was like very different from that, like a. 278 00:14:51,080 --> 00:14:52,840 Little more serious. Yeah. 279 00:14:52,840 --> 00:14:56,520 I feel like a few of the people that you've dated can be put 280 00:14:56,520 --> 00:14:58,400 into the bucket of like, Oh my God. 281 00:14:58,920 --> 00:15:04,680 What you're like analyzing? Of like really attractive but 282 00:15:04,680 --> 00:15:07,120 kind of stoic. Really. 283 00:15:07,240 --> 00:15:11,400 Oh, I can see that. Yeah, like just not very 284 00:15:11,640 --> 00:15:15,440 humorous or playful. Yeah, like nice people. 285 00:15:15,440 --> 00:15:18,520 Yeah, but. They like take themselves very 286 00:15:18,520 --> 00:15:23,720 seriously, yes, which I found out like I don't, I'm not very, 287 00:15:23,760 --> 00:15:26,560 I mean, I guess I am drawn to that, but like moving forward, 288 00:15:26,560 --> 00:15:29,640 like that's not something I want or I'm looking for in a partner 289 00:15:29,640 --> 00:15:32,400 really. I think it's so much more fun 290 00:15:32,400 --> 00:15:34,360 when people don't take themselves seriously. 291 00:15:34,440 --> 00:15:37,840 Yeah, yeah, it's fun to. It's fun to have fun. 292 00:15:38,040 --> 00:15:39,840 I mean, like your partner is going to be the number one 293 00:15:39,840 --> 00:15:43,160 person that you speak to and like make life decisions with 294 00:15:43,160 --> 00:15:47,480 and like build a life and probably potentially a family 295 00:15:47,480 --> 00:15:50,560 with. So yeah, you want that person to 296 00:15:50,560 --> 00:15:57,000 be as fun as you are. Also, this podcast episode is 297 00:15:57,000 --> 00:16:01,720 for everyone but our mother. You are mom watching this right 298 00:16:01,720 --> 00:16:05,000 now. Turn this off this episode. 299 00:16:05,280 --> 00:16:06,760 It's not for your ears. It's not for. 300 00:16:06,960 --> 00:16:09,800 You or if you're friends with mom. 301 00:16:09,800 --> 00:16:14,640 Or if you're friends with our mom, that's like X click the X 302 00:16:14,640 --> 00:16:18,600 browser, close this video, never open it up again. 303 00:16:18,680 --> 00:16:20,000 Is this? Is this content's not for? 304 00:16:20,080 --> 00:16:22,080 You this is private. This is private. 305 00:16:22,440 --> 00:16:25,080 This is for me and my Internet friends. 306 00:16:25,080 --> 00:16:29,280 This is for us and our audience and our our community. 307 00:16:29,280 --> 00:16:31,760 That does not include you. Yeah, that's love you. 308 00:16:31,840 --> 00:16:33,520 Love you. Bye. 309 00:16:34,360 --> 00:16:38,480 One of the questions that we got on my Instagram was like, how do 310 00:16:38,480 --> 00:16:42,480 you balance life and work, dating and work, and what 311 00:16:42,480 --> 00:16:44,960 happens when you're trying to like, excel in your career? 312 00:16:45,280 --> 00:16:48,040 That's a great question. I think what the question 313 00:16:48,040 --> 00:16:51,120 actually does though, the way that it's worded is that it kind 314 00:16:51,120 --> 00:16:55,280 of actually falsely implies that dating and relationships and 315 00:16:55,280 --> 00:16:58,360 work life are actually like perfectly separated in different 316 00:16:58,360 --> 00:17:00,880 buckets. I think the reality of it is 317 00:17:00,880 --> 00:17:05,640 that especially for people who are so invested in their work 318 00:17:05,640 --> 00:17:08,880 lives and their professional lives that oftentimes they end 319 00:17:08,880 --> 00:17:12,440 up being one in the same. Because if you're spending like 320 00:17:12,520 --> 00:17:17,240 40 to 100 hours at work every week, like you don't really have 321 00:17:17,240 --> 00:17:20,079 as many more opportunities to build meaningful relationships 322 00:17:20,079 --> 00:17:25,359 or to like meet other people. And then also just proximity and 323 00:17:25,359 --> 00:17:29,560 like repeated exposure builds interest I think is another 324 00:17:31,400 --> 00:17:35,760 reality. People that you work with, yes, 325 00:17:36,080 --> 00:17:38,000 guilty. Yeah, guilty. 326 00:17:38,200 --> 00:17:41,760 It might work out for some people to date their Co workers. 327 00:17:41,760 --> 00:17:43,760 Like if it's the love of your life, like I think there have 328 00:17:43,760 --> 00:17:47,360 been really successful stories, but for me it has not worked 329 00:17:47,360 --> 00:17:49,800 out. And people usually say don't 330 00:17:49,800 --> 00:17:52,920 shit where you eat, which is basically like don't date where 331 00:17:52,920 --> 00:17:54,280 you work. Yeah. 332 00:17:54,480 --> 00:17:57,840 If they're on your immediate team, like that's pretty weird. 333 00:17:57,840 --> 00:18:00,040 Like it can get pretty weird if you guys are at the same 334 00:18:00,040 --> 00:18:01,280 company. It's a big company. 335 00:18:01,440 --> 00:18:04,760 Like, sure, like things can be normal if things go South, but 336 00:18:04,760 --> 00:18:06,920 like, you have to like end up seeing that. 337 00:18:06,920 --> 00:18:09,800 If you have to end up seeing that person in a meeting or at 338 00:18:09,800 --> 00:18:13,120 your work every single day, like just imagine how like stressful 339 00:18:13,120 --> 00:18:16,200 that is. If you are in a situation where 340 00:18:16,240 --> 00:18:20,600 you really want to date someone at work, maybe a reasonable 341 00:18:20,600 --> 00:18:25,360 compromise is that you can just hold off and see if one of you 342 00:18:25,360 --> 00:18:29,600 ends up leaving the company. And then you can date after the 343 00:18:29,600 --> 00:18:33,040 fact and after you're, you know, have less like interactions that 344 00:18:33,040 --> 00:18:36,200 are work. Related related anyway, so my my 345 00:18:36,200 --> 00:18:39,640 advice is try not to date anyone at work and if you can hold off 346 00:18:39,640 --> 00:18:41,120 I think that would be a really good idea. 347 00:18:41,520 --> 00:18:44,880 Yeah, maybe like the way that you can look at it is that the 348 00:18:44,880 --> 00:18:48,040 people that you meet and interact with at work are like a 349 00:18:48,040 --> 00:18:51,720 pool of people you could potentially date in the future. 350 00:18:51,960 --> 00:18:53,920 Yeah. So that you can get to know 351 00:18:53,920 --> 00:18:57,000 everyone as like a Co worker and as a friend. 352 00:18:57,120 --> 00:19:00,680 And then in the future maybe something develops from it. 353 00:19:00,680 --> 00:19:04,320 Thinking back for myself, that's been some of my more positive 354 00:19:04,440 --> 00:19:07,000 relationships. People that I I had originally 355 00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:10,800 met through work, but then we hadn't dated until after the 356 00:19:10,800 --> 00:19:13,760 fact, sometimes even like years, like a year later or something 357 00:19:13,760 --> 00:19:14,800 like that. Really. 358 00:19:15,320 --> 00:19:18,960 That's kind of romantic. Yeah. 359 00:19:18,960 --> 00:19:22,680 I think maybe that's also my personality is that I'm kind of 360 00:19:22,680 --> 00:19:26,080 more of like a slow burn person or like I like to feel like 361 00:19:26,080 --> 00:19:27,480 really comfortable with a person. 362 00:19:27,480 --> 00:19:29,680 So that's why like for me, I was saying like pretty much all the 363 00:19:29,680 --> 00:19:32,920 people I dated seriously, I like knew them and then hung out with 364 00:19:32,920 --> 00:19:36,720 them multiple times in totally platonic situations, oftentimes 365 00:19:36,720 --> 00:19:41,360 like years or even like a month before we like actually tried 366 00:19:41,360 --> 00:19:44,240 out a romantic relationship. Interesting. 367 00:19:44,440 --> 00:19:46,600 I think I'm the opposite. Oh really? 368 00:19:47,240 --> 00:19:50,080 Aside from someone who's funny, what are you looking for? 369 00:19:50,320 --> 00:19:53,080 I think it's really important for me to find someone who 370 00:19:53,080 --> 00:19:54,640 challenges me. Oh, true. 371 00:19:54,640 --> 00:19:57,800 Both like, physically and like, intellectually, Yeah. 372 00:19:58,080 --> 00:20:02,480 One of my like, favorite things about my one of my past 373 00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:07,560 relationships was that Beep was a really good snowboarder. 374 00:20:13,440 --> 00:20:16,240 Right, that's what I thought. He was a really good snowboarder 375 00:20:16,240 --> 00:20:18,520 and I ski. And one of my most like fondest 376 00:20:18,520 --> 00:20:22,920 memories is when we went skiing slash snowboarding together and 377 00:20:22,920 --> 00:20:26,480 he would take me down mountains that were literally like turn 378 00:20:26,480 --> 00:20:30,080 around, you may die, we're not responsible for your death. 379 00:20:30,360 --> 00:20:32,240 And I was definitely not at his level. 380 00:20:32,440 --> 00:20:34,480 And we got into like fights on the mountain because it would 381 00:20:34,480 --> 00:20:36,920 take me like way longer to get down. 382 00:20:36,920 --> 00:20:39,600 But he was like there to like coach me through it all and 383 00:20:39,600 --> 00:20:41,080 stuff. And I think it made us stronger 384 00:20:41,080 --> 00:20:42,800 at the end. And that was like very much like 385 00:20:43,160 --> 00:20:44,440 a physical challenge that I really. 386 00:20:44,440 --> 00:20:45,600 Enjoyed. I want to put that in a 387 00:20:45,600 --> 00:20:48,600 different way for you. I think you enjoy people. 388 00:20:48,920 --> 00:20:50,560 Who? You learn from. 389 00:20:50,560 --> 00:20:52,720 Yes, 100% yes. I. 390 00:20:52,720 --> 00:20:56,520 Agree, that is also something that I really value. 391 00:20:56,640 --> 00:21:00,240 I don't think I could ever date someone who I didn't think was 392 00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:02,320 smart for me like that is well, that's. 393 00:21:02,320 --> 00:21:05,680 Like the intellectual, like challenge, like yes, like you 394 00:21:05,680 --> 00:21:09,200 want them to like push you intellectually and like, yeah, 395 00:21:09,240 --> 00:21:12,040 have a conversation that's. True, but like you can learn 396 00:21:12,040 --> 00:21:14,280 stuff from people who are not intellectual. 397 00:21:14,880 --> 00:21:17,040 Right. Yeah, I like to be challenged. 398 00:21:17,040 --> 00:21:18,720 I like to learn from other people. 399 00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:22,360 And then also I feel like I like to be pushed as well. 400 00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:26,120 One of the good things from my last relationship was that I 401 00:21:26,120 --> 00:21:29,360 felt like we constantly had conversations that pushed me out 402 00:21:29,360 --> 00:21:32,200 of my comfort zone. And it was like a very like safe 403 00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:33,800 place. It's like have those 404 00:21:33,800 --> 00:21:37,280 conversations, those debates, for example, we talk about, I 405 00:21:37,280 --> 00:21:39,360 don't know, something that's like happening in the world are 406 00:21:39,360 --> 00:21:41,320 like happening in like the economic markets. 407 00:21:41,320 --> 00:21:42,800 And I was like, Oh, I don't really understand that. 408 00:21:42,800 --> 00:21:45,240 But like it pushed me to like want to understand. 409 00:21:45,440 --> 00:21:48,000 And I didn't feel dumb being like, Oh, I don't understand 410 00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:49,960 this thing because like I know I'm not a dumb person. 411 00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:53,240 And I think like having that level of trust, that respect 412 00:21:53,240 --> 00:21:55,200 that like they're like, I understand you. 413 00:21:55,240 --> 00:21:57,280 And I also want to like help you understand this. 414 00:21:57,320 --> 00:21:59,920 And like I would do that for him in like other aspects where I 415 00:21:59,920 --> 00:22:05,000 felt more like well versed. So she wants a nerd I. 416 00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:06,920 Love nerds. You got to be a nerd. 417 00:22:07,280 --> 00:22:10,760 You have to be a funny nerd and something like in the 418 00:22:10,760 --> 00:22:14,440 combination of that is. Who is also an amazing skier or 419 00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:18,320 snowboarder and golfer. And golfer, I love if you can 420 00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:21,480 teach me golf like that's bonus 10 points. 421 00:22:21,800 --> 00:22:25,160 I would say like in the intersection of like nerd and 422 00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:28,760 funny is you have to be witty. Like I love puns. 423 00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:31,640 And I think if someone is like witty and like is she wants that 424 00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:34,720 repartee that banta, she wants the banta. 425 00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:40,200 Like the witty sense of humor is so like attractive. 426 00:22:40,360 --> 00:22:42,600 It's very funny. Kind of like a stand up 427 00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:47,360 comedian. Without the depression, do we 428 00:22:47,360 --> 00:22:48,960 get through all the attributes? Anything else? 429 00:22:49,120 --> 00:22:51,200 Oh, I have another one. OK, tell me I. 430 00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:55,560 Really love. I'm really into people who 431 00:22:55,560 --> 00:22:59,480 prioritize fitness, right? Like physical fitness, because 432 00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:04,720 normally I am, I think, a bit of a couch potato or like I lean. 433 00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:06,600 Towards you are not a couch potato at all. 434 00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:09,160 I. Lean towards couch potato like 435 00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:12,520 there there's days where I can go like 2-3, four days without 436 00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:14,680 working out. That doesn't make you a couch 437 00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:16,400 potato, guys. I don't think she knows what a 438 00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:20,280 couch potato is. Well, I think I like someone 439 00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:24,640 who's more active than I am, OK, to encourage you to challenge 440 00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:26,560 you to challenge me. And then we can like, do 441 00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:29,160 activities together, like play pickleball or tennis. 442 00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:32,520 We can go to yoga together. My last my ex and I did like all 443 00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:33,960 those things together. What if? 444 00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:38,360 What if they're like pressuring you to be active every single 445 00:23:38,360 --> 00:23:40,840 day though? I would like that. 446 00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:42,560 What if they pressure you to do 2A days? 447 00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:46,080 I don't know how I would feel about that. 448 00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:49,400 Like I, it would make me like a healthier, better person. 449 00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:53,040 I might be exhausted and like have to weigh like, you know, 450 00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:55,920 the pros and cons of the time that in terms of like how am I 451 00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:58,080 feeling and is my work impacted by how tired I. 452 00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:02,440 What if they were like you must be a long distance runner and. 453 00:24:03,120 --> 00:24:05,600 That's a weird criteria, but I think that only makes me 454 00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:07,600 healthier. OK. 455 00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:10,520 Like if we like did a half marathon or signed up for 1/2 456 00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:13,200 marathon together and like how to put together a training plan 457 00:24:13,360 --> 00:24:17,280 like that is only pushing me and challenging me in a good way. 458 00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:19,080 OK, but what if it was the marathon? 459 00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:21,560 I don't think I would ever do a marathon. 460 00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:24,960 I think, yeah, I don't know. It's a bucket list item maybe? 461 00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:28,080 OK, why are you trying to do me? Why are you trying to do a 462 00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:28,640 gotcha? Why? 463 00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:30,720 Because I'm trying to test the bounds. 464 00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:33,800 I think. This interest of this what you 465 00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:35,840 want? I think if it's 3A days, I'm 466 00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:38,480 out. If it's sign up for a marathon, 467 00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:41,080 maybe. Yeah, like I would. 468 00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:45,600 It's a bucket list item. So to add to your list, she 469 00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:51,840 wants a hot fit, funny nerd. Hot fit, funny, witty nerd. 470 00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:56,160 Yes, who's into extreme cold sports? 471 00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:02,160 Like curling, for example. Not curling. 472 00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:04,280 So you're looking for a hot funny. 473 00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:06,680 No, let's not. Let's not mislead anyone. 474 00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:08,000 OK, just kidding. Just kidding. 475 00:25:08,360 --> 00:25:12,440 OK, what about do you want to be in a power couple? 476 00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:15,880 Oh. This is a tough question. 477 00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:20,360 I am pro power couple. How would you define power 478 00:25:20,360 --> 00:25:22,800 couple? Oh, that's also a good question. 479 00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:26,480 A power couple, assuming that you are in a more traditional 480 00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:33,200 relationship involving two people, a couple is two people 481 00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:37,800 who have like high status within their professional lives, I 482 00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:40,360 would say. And the high status could be 483 00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:44,000 that they are influential, that they have power. 484 00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:46,960 Obviously in a power couple, they are people of influence. 485 00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:49,400 And it could be like whatever job that they have, they could 486 00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:51,800 be like in a nonprofit, but they're a very influential 487 00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:53,280 person. They could be working in finance 488 00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:56,400 or whatever, influential person. But I would say that constitutes 489 00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:57,880 a power couple. OK. 490 00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:00,440 I like the idea of a power couple. 491 00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:03,560 I think that's so fun, especially if you have someone 492 00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:06,720 who is encouraging you and supporting you to get to the 493 00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:08,680 next level. And you guys can be like 494 00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:11,200 strategizing together. On like. 495 00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:14,320 World domination, like that's exciting to me. 496 00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:16,760 Have you ever felt like you were in a power couple? 497 00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:21,440 My most recent accent mentioned that he thought we were a power 498 00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:23,000 couple. Oh wow. 499 00:26:23,120 --> 00:26:27,080 Or I guess someone mentioned to him someone from like work or 500 00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:28,600 something that was much more senior to him. 501 00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:32,520 And he told this person about me and that person deemed us a 502 00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:36,680 power couple. And then my ex says she's more 503 00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:40,760 the power and the power couple. But I like I would say in the 504 00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:43,440 last, the last few, they kind of felt power couple. 505 00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:46,440 Y Well, I think the person has to be ambitious. 506 00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:50,680 I do think that the concept of the power couple, though 507 00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:55,680 typically in a heterosexual relationship, favors the man. 508 00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:59,040 Favors the man in terms of he holds the more most of the 509 00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:01,840 power. Or no, just in terms of let's 510 00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:05,160 say you have two people who start a relationship together at 511 00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:08,440 the and they're the same age and we like hold their career 512 00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:11,080 potential and their performance everything constant. 513 00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:13,760 If you are growing a life together, like everything 514 00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:17,880 outside of your careers, usually the woman is the one that has to 515 00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:20,160 like take a step back in order. To. 516 00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:23,720 Invest in the family. Would you rather are you saying 517 00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:26,120 like the other alternative is like a stay at home dad? 518 00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:29,680 The ideal is to be in a power couple, but I don't. 519 00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:33,080 I'm trying to think of like, really successful examples. 520 00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:36,920 I guess people are like, oh, Michelle and Barack Obama. 521 00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:40,320 Serena and Alexis. Ohanian the interesting thing is 522 00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:43,560 that they didn't become a couple until both of them essentially 523 00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:46,280 reached their peak of their career. 524 00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:48,400 Like I'm not saying they're like going down, but they like 525 00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:53,360 reached extremely significant career highs and like then they 526 00:27:53,360 --> 00:27:56,080 started being a couple. Let's talk about The 527 00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:58,480 Bachelorette. That is a show that Cherie and I 528 00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:01,040 watched together. I've been watching The Bachelor 529 00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:03,720 for a long, long time. Much longer than you. 530 00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:07,360 How long, How many years? How many decades have you been 531 00:28:07,360 --> 00:28:10,560 like, so long. We love this new season with the 532 00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:14,480 first Asian Bachelorette. Yeah, with Jen Tran. 533 00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:16,640 So excited to see her on there. She's. 534 00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:18,880 Yeah, I'm so proud of her. Me too. 535 00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:19,960 I'm. Really proud of her. 536 00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:22,560 I love this season and I love seeing her shine. 537 00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:26,000 Yeah, well, so we actually Cherie hosted a Bachelorette 538 00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:28,360 watch party earlier this week with her friends. 539 00:28:28,360 --> 00:28:32,240 One of the things that we were talking about is that the topics 540 00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:36,400 they talked about on the episode were just like topics we've 541 00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:37,880 never seen explored. It's. 542 00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:41,880 On the Bachelor, it's like this, this season is very intense. 543 00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:46,760 Like they talk about like family way more like especially like 544 00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:51,320 family like issues, like troubles growing up, like 545 00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:56,520 self-confidence, like one of the contestants like was in the 546 00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:58,880 military and like something horrible happened. 547 00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:02,240 Like it's like a heavy season. But I think the reason why we're 548 00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:05,240 actually exploring these topics for the first time is because of 549 00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:10,000 Jen and because her background is very different than 99% of 550 00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:12,240 the bachelorettes that came before her. 551 00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:17,200 Historically, the franchise is a very like white and Christian 552 00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:22,200 based franchise and also very traditional values of family. 553 00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:23,120 Family. Yeah. 554 00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:27,000 But like she talks about how she kind of grew up in a broken home 555 00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:31,800 where her father abandoned her. And she has been very open about 556 00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:34,080 like working through some of those issues. 557 00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:38,680 I love it because it makes her feel so much more relatable. 558 00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:40,160 Yeah. Because like, even if you 559 00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:43,600 haven't gone through those things yourself, I can see the 560 00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:45,920 emotion and the vulnerability that comes with that. 561 00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:48,720 Whereas like, I feel like the past bachelorettes maybe they've 562 00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:51,920 gone through like horrible breakups and like infidelity and 563 00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:54,680 like other like, really traumatic stuff. 564 00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:57,080 But like, I don't know. I'm just like talking about the 565 00:29:57,080 --> 00:29:59,960 family and like a broken family in that way and issues of 566 00:29:59,960 --> 00:30:03,240 self-confidence, like everything just feels like way much like 567 00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:06,480 way more deep in this season. Yeah. 568 00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:09,840 And now, the new Bachelor. Is your favorite? 569 00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:12,160 No, it's not Marcus. Oh yeah, the. 570 00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:13,960 New bachelor's grant. Yeah. 571 00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:19,480 Who I guess was my favorite. Yeah, my favorite as of right 572 00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:27,240 now is Marcus and with all just the context of the TV show that 573 00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:28,760 we're watching. Yeah, that's true. 574 00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:31,840 OK, that's fair. He is the front runner for me. 575 00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:34,520 I think just he was in the military. 576 00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:38,600 He's like a very sturdy, like it seems like a respectable, 577 00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:41,880 responsible man. Yeah, although some Reddit 578 00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:47,800 threads that I've read have raised issues about him, but 579 00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:49,200 that's outside of the show. Outside. 580 00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:52,200 Of the scope of the show, yeah. Outside of the scope. 581 00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:54,640 That's out of the scope, outside of the scope objection. 582 00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:56,320 Your Honor, that's an objection, Your Honor. 583 00:30:56,480 --> 00:30:59,080 Libel. Yeah, objection, your Honor. 584 00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:00,680 Hearsay. Yeah, wait. 585 00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:02,600 But OK. But based on what you said 586 00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:06,440 you're interested in your the person that you should like the 587 00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:11,720 most would be Devin or or. Devin reminds me of my ex. 588 00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:16,440 The most recent one, yeah, OK, but that he fits the cat. 589 00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:18,200 Like the things that you said you're interested in. 590 00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:20,640 You said you're interested in a funny, witty. 591 00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:25,400 Nerd not nerdy enough, I think. The human, I guess you. 592 00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:27,480 Don't know if anyone's nerdy. They don't really. 593 00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:30,080 Well, we know that. Johnson and Marcus are nerdy 594 00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:31,440 because they were doing a crossword puzzle. 595 00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:34,120 OK. That was like a half second. 596 00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:36,080 Well, I don't know, I feel like. The crossword puzzle doesn't 597 00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:38,520 mean you nerdy, does it? It makes you nerdier. 598 00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:43,000 It raises your nerdy level. Nerd Quotient Yes +5. 599 00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:45,720 Well, Devin is just like the jokes that he makes are kind of 600 00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:48,240 dumb to me. Like I don't, I think like dumb 601 00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:49,920 humor. Like you can have dumb humor, 602 00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:51,920 but you have to be smart to make dumb humor funny. 603 00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:54,680 So you don't think he's funny? Not really. 604 00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:57,880 I think he's funny. Well, you're right that Marcus 605 00:31:57,880 --> 00:31:59,920 is very serious. Yeah, Marcus. 606 00:31:59,920 --> 00:32:03,240 Is the stoic the stoic hot guy again? 607 00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:05,440 Once again, he has no sense of humor. 608 00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:07,320 I mean that we've seen in the episode. 609 00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:09,320 Yes, that we've seen. That we've seen, Yeah. 610 00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:11,200 Oh, no, you're right. That is my. 611 00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:14,720 You see, I have an old type and I'm trying to evolve into a new 612 00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:16,680 type. Yeah, so she wants the old type 613 00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:17,480 again. No. 614 00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:20,280 Wow, wow. We just revealed. 615 00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:23,400 That was very revealing. Well, I that was very revealing. 616 00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:25,000 Dang it, you know what? Cotter. 617 00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:30,040 You know what? All the exes that have been 618 00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:32,560 stoic and handsome are very like Marcus. 619 00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:37,200 Like they're very like, like sturdy. 620 00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:39,600 Yeah. I I like that because they're 621 00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:42,320 responsible too. For the most part. 622 00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:45,320 They're like very responsible, have their head on straight type 623 00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:47,720 of person like I want to be. I want them to be very 624 00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:49,960 dependable, which is what I like about Marcus. 625 00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:53,480 And so like, can I have someone who's. 626 00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:56,240 Can I dependable? Can she has? 627 00:32:56,240 --> 00:33:00,000 Can I Can she has hamburger? May I has cheeseburger? 628 00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:04,960 May I has please? May I has cheeseburger She just 629 00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:08,760 wants someone who is the Venn diagram of dependable and 630 00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:10,120 playful. Yes. 631 00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:13,640 Can someone not be both? I am both. 632 00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:15,640 Yeah. You are. 633 00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:18,760 Yeah. So you want someone who's the 634 00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:21,320 same as you? She wants a twin. 635 00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:25,320 She wants a male twin. That's weird. 636 00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:29,400 Narcissism. Just kidding. 637 00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:31,440 Oh, wait. Who's the one? 638 00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:33,040 Who's the one who has two earrings? 639 00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:34,080 Jonathan. Jonathan. 640 00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:36,160 Yeah, I. Really like Jonathan, he's my 641 00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:39,520 number 2. After Marcus. 642 00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:41,080 But they're so different. Are they? 643 00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:43,160 That's the two archetypes that you're talking about. 644 00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:47,720 Stoic and like, muscular, Sturdy. 645 00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:49,400 I mean, they're they all have muscles because they're on. 646 00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:54,040 Well, not all of them, Devin. Well, anyway, cut that out. 647 00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:55,880 No, they all fit. Yeah. 648 00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:58,520 OK, we'll forget it. I don't want to talk about 649 00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:03,240 people's bodies. Stoic and not really much of A 650 00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:09,280 sense of humor, but very, like, sturdy and dependable versus fun 651 00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:10,600 playful. Yeah. 652 00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:15,239 I'm worried about Jen because OK, my main take away of the 653 00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:21,199 most recent episode where Marcus who his background is that he is 654 00:34:21,199 --> 00:34:25,719 like a Army Ranger. So like a military vet. 655 00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:29,360 He had like a major traumatic experience. 656 00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:33,560 And he also when he was when he grew up, he was went through the 657 00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:38,000 foster care system. So to me, even like watching 658 00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:41,080 these episodes, I'm like, he has so much to work through. 659 00:34:41,159 --> 00:34:44,120 I feel like he's going through like 10 years of therapy in 660 00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:46,320 these like the five week long show. 661 00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:49,760 I don't want for Jen to have to like, take all that on, even 662 00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:53,400 though ironically, the fact that he has gone through all that is 663 00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:56,639 I think why she sees him in such a positive light. 664 00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:58,680 Like she's like, wow, you're so mature. 665 00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:01,520 She like imputes all these really positive traits on him 666 00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:03,680 because of the experience that he's gone through. 667 00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:07,120 But she doesn't necessarily thinking through like the 668 00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:10,800 downsides of them. Well, it might be like one of 669 00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:14,880 her responses to hearing all of that is like maybe like an I can 670 00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:19,160 fix him, yes, or like I can make him open up to me type of thing. 671 00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:23,280 Yes. Which is Is that a fatal flaw 672 00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:25,840 for a woman? It actually, it reminds me of 673 00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:29,920 someone that I used to date like who was, it was a very serious 674 00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:33,720 relationship in my 20s. This person was like super like 675 00:35:33,720 --> 00:35:36,880 extremely smart, very playful, funny, et cetera. 676 00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:42,120 He had had cancer during undergrad in college and he beat 677 00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:45,280 it because of that. I think I sort of put him on 678 00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:49,200 this pedestal where I was like, oh, he's so mature because he's 679 00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:53,640 had this like life and death experience where he survived 680 00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:55,680 cancer. I kind of viewed everything he 681 00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:59,680 did through these more rose colored glasses where I just 682 00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:02,760 assumed he was very mature and thoughtful. 683 00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:05,440 Whereas I think if I hadn't known that about him, I would 684 00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:08,760 have been more aware of some of the like bullshit. 685 00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:14,840 So I think that this is what Jen is experiencing. 686 00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:18,680 She has these same like rose colored glasses on because of 687 00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:21,480 his like life experience. I want her to have like an easy 688 00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:24,960 life because she's already had a lot of trauma herself. 689 00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:28,200 I think it would be tough to then have to like pour herself 690 00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:31,680 into helping someone else work through their trauma while also 691 00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:33,560 building a relationship for the first time. 692 00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:35,440 I guess it just depends on what everyone wants. 693 00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:38,440 I don't know if someone would want that, but like someone 694 00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:41,600 might be less like or more willing to take that on. 695 00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:45,560 She's young. Anyways, all that to say, Jen, 696 00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:47,400 we are rooting for you. Yeah. 697 00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:50,520 We wish you nothing but the best and happiest. 698 00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:52,160 Life. Yeah, Jen, you're doing great. 699 00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:56,800 You're doing great, sweetie. Guys, let us know if this was 700 00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:59,680 interesting to you. We're trying something new. 701 00:36:59,880 --> 00:37:01,800 We're very much like building in public. 702 00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:03,720 We're trying all these new things that you guys. 703 00:37:03,720 --> 00:37:06,200 Say are interested in. Because it's coming in through 704 00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:09,280 the mailbag, so let us know if you like it. 705 00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:13,000 Please remember to like, comment and subscribe and if you guys 706 00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:16,040 have any suggestions or any ideas of what we should do next, 707 00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:17,840 leave them in the comments below. 708 00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:20,920 Gene and I read, literally, we read every single comment. 709 00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:23,160 Yeah. So leave them below and we'll 710 00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:25,720 respond. 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