1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:01,880 Hi everyone, My name is Michelle. 2 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:05,040 I'm currently at TikTok. I work on special projects, 3 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:07,920 started my career actually mostly in investing. 4 00:00:07,920 --> 00:00:12,000 I did private equity and then growth equity investing for 5 00:00:12,160 --> 00:00:14,400 about over a decade. I'm 29 years old now. 6 00:00:14,440 --> 00:00:16,760 What advice would you give to your 29 year old self? 7 00:00:16,800 --> 00:00:20,040 We see a lot of people around you doing interesting things and 8 00:00:20,040 --> 00:00:22,480 I was always like, how do I be part of all of that? 9 00:00:22,520 --> 00:00:25,120 It was very good for having strong drive, but it really 10 00:00:25,120 --> 00:00:26,920 wasn't good for mental health. You know, there's a lot of 11 00:00:26,920 --> 00:00:29,960 anxiety right now, especially with, you know, just graduate 12 00:00:30,040 --> 00:00:31,960 thinking and a lot of people are still job searching. 13 00:00:32,119 --> 00:00:34,960 Life is very nonlinear. Good things happen to different 14 00:00:34,960 --> 00:00:37,200 people at different time, different different stage in 15 00:00:37,200 --> 00:00:39,520 their life. What is a failure that you are 16 00:00:39,520 --> 00:00:42,280 most grateful for and what did you learn from it? 17 00:00:42,440 --> 00:00:44,400 I felt like my life was shattering in front of me. 18 00:00:56,880 --> 00:00:59,400 Today we interviewed Michelle Huang, who's head of special 19 00:00:59,400 --> 00:01:02,120 projects at TikTok. Used to be an investor at 20 00:01:02,120 --> 00:01:05,840 Blackstone and also worked in the office of the CEO at Lauro 21 00:01:05,840 --> 00:01:08,240 Piano. Really just a Renaissance woman, 22 00:01:08,320 --> 00:01:10,680 truly. She gets very personal with us 23 00:01:10,680 --> 00:01:13,480 in this conversation and shares some of her life philosophies 24 00:01:13,480 --> 00:01:16,240 that apply both to her personal and also professional. 25 00:01:16,240 --> 00:01:18,480 Career. Yeah, this one really got me 26 00:01:18,480 --> 00:01:22,080 thinking and reflecting. I'm Cherie and I'm Jean and 27 00:01:22,080 --> 00:01:26,120 we're the Tiger sisters. This is season 3 of Tiger 28 00:01:26,120 --> 00:01:30,360 Sisters where we interview CE OS founders, investors and business 29 00:01:30,360 --> 00:01:33,200 leaders. We have the interview coming up 30 00:01:33,240 --> 00:01:36,760 and right after that Gina and I do takeaways where we share some 31 00:01:36,760 --> 00:01:39,880 of our learnings and the things that stood out to us the most, 32 00:01:40,160 --> 00:01:41,960 kind of like a business case study. 33 00:01:42,600 --> 00:01:44,920 We'll jump straight into the interview right after this 34 00:01:44,960 --> 00:01:47,240 break. Hey guys, quick break to let you 35 00:01:47,240 --> 00:01:49,920 know that we now have merch on sistersmatcha.com. 36 00:01:50,120 --> 00:01:52,800 We have sweatshirts and T-shirts that we designed ourselves. 37 00:01:52,800 --> 00:01:56,200 Go check it out and please US Five stars on Spotify and Apple 38 00:01:56,200 --> 00:01:58,640 Podcasts. These ratings are so important 39 00:01:58,640 --> 00:02:01,320 for the distribution and survival of Tiger Sisters 40 00:02:01,320 --> 00:02:03,240 podcast. Thank you for your support. 41 00:02:03,280 --> 00:02:05,480 So could you please introduce yourself for our audience? 42 00:02:05,880 --> 00:02:08,840 Of course, so happy to be here. Hi, everyone. 43 00:02:08,840 --> 00:02:12,280 My name is Michelle. I'm currently at TikTok working 44 00:02:12,280 --> 00:02:15,400 on special projects. And Prior to joining TikTok 45 00:02:15,400 --> 00:02:19,160 about four years ago, I started my career actually mostly in 46 00:02:19,480 --> 00:02:22,240 investing. I did private equity and then 47 00:02:22,240 --> 00:02:26,200 growth equity investing for about over a decade. 48 00:02:26,880 --> 00:02:30,200 Sure, I'm 29 years old now. What advice would you give to 49 00:02:30,200 --> 00:02:32,840 your 29 year old self? Well first of all, I'm very 50 00:02:32,840 --> 00:02:34,760 obvious. I wish I were 29. 51 00:02:35,520 --> 00:02:38,920 The one advice I'll give my 29 year old self would be just to 52 00:02:38,920 --> 00:02:43,720 be more patient. I think when I was your age. 53 00:02:44,080 --> 00:02:47,520 I also recently just graduated from Stanford Business School 54 00:02:47,520 --> 00:02:50,440 then and I think I was just very anxious. 55 00:02:51,160 --> 00:02:53,960 I think professionally, personally, just doing the next 56 00:02:53,960 --> 00:02:57,880 thing, joining the next big thing, being part of the next 57 00:02:57,880 --> 00:02:59,800 thing. It was and I it was very 58 00:02:59,800 --> 00:03:01,600 anxious. I don't think I was grounded at 59 00:03:01,600 --> 00:03:03,720 the time at all. And I, you see a lot of people 60 00:03:03,720 --> 00:03:06,560 around you, you know, doing interesting things. 61 00:03:06,560 --> 00:03:09,160 And I was always like, how do I be part of all of that? 62 00:03:09,480 --> 00:03:12,480 And, and honestly just wasn't very good. 63 00:03:12,480 --> 00:03:15,160 It was very good for having strong drive, but it really 64 00:03:15,160 --> 00:03:19,120 wasn't good for mental health. And, and, and I think just over 65 00:03:19,120 --> 00:03:25,360 time I realized, I think life is very non linear and just be 66 00:03:25,360 --> 00:03:27,320 patient. Good things happen to good 67 00:03:27,320 --> 00:03:30,360 people. If you keep doing whatever it is 68 00:03:30,360 --> 00:03:33,400 that you like and it fits you like things, good things will 69 00:03:33,400 --> 00:03:35,600 come. So and good things happen to 70 00:03:35,600 --> 00:03:38,080 different people at different time, different different stage 71 00:03:38,080 --> 00:03:41,320 in their life. And you'll have your own moment. 72 00:03:41,320 --> 00:03:43,360 And who knows when it is, but you'll have it. 73 00:03:43,960 --> 00:03:46,480 Thank you for saying that. That resonates very deeply. 74 00:03:46,720 --> 00:03:49,240 I think me and then also my classmates, you know, there's a 75 00:03:49,240 --> 00:03:52,080 lot of anxiety right now, especially with, you know, just 76 00:03:52,080 --> 00:03:54,440 graduating and a lot of people are still job searching, 77 00:03:54,640 --> 00:03:57,560 especially given the macro environment, macro economy. 78 00:03:57,760 --> 00:04:00,720 And so yeah, definitely that anxiety and also like looking 79 00:04:00,720 --> 00:04:03,520 around at peers is very much a thing when you're comparing 80 00:04:03,520 --> 00:04:06,760 yourself to your class. I yeah, I think a few, the first 81 00:04:06,760 --> 00:04:09,160 few years coming out of Business School, especially for me was 82 00:04:09,400 --> 00:04:13,320 tough because I think that was when anxiety was at its highest. 83 00:04:13,800 --> 00:04:17,519 And also 29 is also a year where everyone's turning 30, so. 84 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:21,560 So it's almost worse than being 30 exactly, but. 85 00:04:21,680 --> 00:04:25,240 Once you realize, so that's why giving advice to 29 is very 86 00:04:25,240 --> 00:04:28,360 interesting because once you pass that is that that anxiety, 87 00:04:28,360 --> 00:04:31,760 that anticipation, that's actually the most painful. 88 00:04:31,760 --> 00:04:34,400 But once you cross that, you're like, life is life goes on and 89 00:04:34,400 --> 00:04:36,720 life is great. So and you just fully embrace 90 00:04:36,720 --> 00:04:38,040 it. Actually, it's only the 91 00:04:38,040 --> 00:04:40,480 beginning. Exactly, it really is. 92 00:04:40,480 --> 00:04:42,800 And I really think life is so, so long. 93 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:46,200 And I, and I'm also saying this to myself because I am way more 94 00:04:46,720 --> 00:04:49,200 than 29 now. So but I do think, you know, 95 00:04:49,200 --> 00:04:51,040 people reinvent themselves all the time. 96 00:04:51,040 --> 00:04:56,640 Like, I think really you see a lot of people who who really hit 97 00:04:56,640 --> 00:04:59,080 their strides at just different times in life. 98 00:04:59,120 --> 00:05:00,760 Yeah. So so be patient. 99 00:05:01,280 --> 00:05:03,720 I love that. So the next question is kind of 100 00:05:03,720 --> 00:05:06,240 a 180. It's about failure moments, yes, 101 00:05:06,240 --> 00:05:07,600 but I do really like this framing. 102 00:05:07,600 --> 00:05:11,960 So what is a failure that you are most grateful for, and what 103 00:05:11,960 --> 00:05:16,120 did you learn from it? OK, I'm going to, I'm going to 104 00:05:16,120 --> 00:05:20,280 say something that sounds really that is very personal, but also 105 00:05:20,280 --> 00:05:22,840 sounds very, very cheesy. And I really sounds like first 106 00:05:22,840 --> 00:05:24,600 world problem, but I will share it anyway. 107 00:05:25,840 --> 00:05:32,800 So, so this is when I was 20. This is when I was 2625 years 108 00:05:32,800 --> 00:05:35,200 old. So at the I'll, I'll just give 109 00:05:35,200 --> 00:05:37,440 you, I just met you, but I'll give you the full background. 110 00:05:37,440 --> 00:05:42,200 So I was dating my college boyfriend for a very long time. 111 00:05:42,840 --> 00:05:47,840 He my, I had grew up in Boston at that point and he was going 112 00:05:47,840 --> 00:05:51,720 to Harvard Medical School. The, my dream at the time when I 113 00:05:51,720 --> 00:05:55,080 was 26 was I was going to go to Harvard Business School and 114 00:05:55,080 --> 00:05:57,840 we're going to, you know, get married and live in white, pick 115 00:05:57,840 --> 00:06:01,400 a fence house. So, so a couple things happened 116 00:06:01,560 --> 00:06:04,480 that fall. One is we actually broke up. 117 00:06:05,000 --> 00:06:08,520 So I felt like my life was life was shattering in front of me. 118 00:06:08,760 --> 00:06:10,880 And two, I also didn't get into HBS. 119 00:06:11,800 --> 00:06:16,680 So, so I think again, all of this really sounds like first 120 00:06:16,680 --> 00:06:20,280 world problems at this point, but I think for 26 year old it 121 00:06:20,280 --> 00:06:24,160 was a very thing too. It just meant like I, I thought 122 00:06:24,160 --> 00:06:26,920 my life, the course of my life had to change at least. 123 00:06:27,840 --> 00:06:30,000 But I think just learning a lot about resilience, right? 124 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:31,880 Just so you know, you, how do you bounce back from it? 125 00:06:32,120 --> 00:06:34,800 How do you, you know, then change a course of life? 126 00:06:34,960 --> 00:06:38,760 I think there was a lot that they just really believing and, 127 00:06:38,760 --> 00:06:40,840 you know, like what's meant to be. 128 00:06:41,120 --> 00:06:45,400 And I used to think, you know, there's a will, there's a way. 129 00:06:45,400 --> 00:06:49,600 I think, I now think just embrace what's in front of you 130 00:06:49,600 --> 00:06:51,240 and just keep going on the path that you're on. 131 00:06:51,520 --> 00:06:53,400 Yeah, I really appreciate you sharing that. 132 00:06:53,840 --> 00:06:56,360 I think probably just like the hardest part is having like a 133 00:06:56,360 --> 00:07:00,320 vision of what things might be like and trying your hardest to 134 00:07:00,360 --> 00:07:02,880 make that work. But then the universe might have 135 00:07:02,880 --> 00:07:04,640 different plans at the end of the day. 136 00:07:04,680 --> 00:07:06,040 And and just embracing the universe. 137 00:07:06,160 --> 00:07:07,840 Yeah, yeah. That's really beautiful. 138 00:07:08,280 --> 00:07:11,080 And I think, I mean, I'm taking a lot of way, a lot away from 139 00:07:11,080 --> 00:07:13,760 that, more than you realize. And I know a lot of people 140 00:07:13,760 --> 00:07:15,520 watching this will as well. Yeah, well, thank. 141 00:07:15,520 --> 00:07:16,800 You so thank you for sharing that. 142 00:07:17,840 --> 00:07:19,920 The next question is around hot takes. 143 00:07:20,600 --> 00:07:23,560 So what is a hot take that you have or belief that you have 144 00:07:23,560 --> 00:07:27,080 that you know might be a little bit more contrarian either about 145 00:07:27,080 --> 00:07:29,800 your work, your industry or any hot take you out? 146 00:07:31,160 --> 00:07:34,040 I really do believe in like good things happen to good people. 147 00:07:34,520 --> 00:07:37,040 I think. I think also just kind of tying 148 00:07:37,040 --> 00:07:39,280 a lot of things together, right. But you really have to look at 149 00:07:39,280 --> 00:07:42,800 it in the long run. I think maybe in the short run, 150 00:07:43,120 --> 00:07:46,640 you know, cutting a few corners here and there or you know, 151 00:07:46,640 --> 00:07:50,080 saying things, doing some things in a certain way can be really 152 00:07:50,080 --> 00:07:52,480 beneficial. But if you really look at it in 153 00:07:52,480 --> 00:07:55,200 the long run, like you just really good things happen to the 154 00:07:55,200 --> 00:07:57,400 people. So like just really keeping that 155 00:07:57,400 --> 00:08:02,360 longer term mentality. A few more questions. 156 00:08:02,360 --> 00:08:04,800 This one's more fun, so this one's about travel. 157 00:08:05,240 --> 00:08:07,160 What is a travel recommendation that you have? 158 00:08:07,280 --> 00:08:10,560 Either a city or a place that you like to go to when you're 159 00:08:10,560 --> 00:08:14,080 taking a break from work. So I'll give you my most recent 160 00:08:14,080 --> 00:08:19,440 travel tip. So I was in, I was in Sandinavia 161 00:08:19,440 --> 00:08:21,400 for the first time this summer. So it was also. 162 00:08:21,400 --> 00:08:23,720 Because it was so. Hot in New York, so I need to go 163 00:08:23,720 --> 00:08:26,600 somewhere cooler. Plus people always say 164 00:08:26,600 --> 00:08:29,760 Scandinavians are the happiest people in the world, so I need 165 00:08:29,760 --> 00:08:32,320 to check it out for myself why they're so happy. 166 00:08:32,799 --> 00:08:35,039 So it was lovely. I spent two weeks across 167 00:08:35,480 --> 00:08:40,240 Stockholm and Copenhagen, and I also discovered the the secret 168 00:08:40,240 --> 00:08:41,919 happiness. And which is? 169 00:08:42,640 --> 00:08:47,200 Can't share, which is I guess hot take there is the reason why 170 00:08:47,200 --> 00:08:50,680 the the Scandis are so happy apparently after talking to a 171 00:08:50,680 --> 00:08:53,640 bunch of them, is they have low expectations. 172 00:08:54,520 --> 00:08:59,680 So when it's because the winters are so long and when there's 173 00:08:59,960 --> 00:09:05,360 first sight of spring, they get so happy when the and because 174 00:09:05,360 --> 00:09:08,840 they're so the summer days are so they're so few of them. 175 00:09:08,840 --> 00:09:11,920 So when it's a sunny day, people are so happy. 176 00:09:11,920 --> 00:09:16,880 So they really treasure a lot of these things and, and plus it's 177 00:09:16,880 --> 00:09:19,880 a very, very peaceful society and just very happy people. 178 00:09:20,120 --> 00:09:23,760 Also, Scandinavia during the summer is just so gorgeous. 179 00:09:23,760 --> 00:09:24,600 The vibes are. Great. 180 00:09:24,600 --> 00:09:26,200 Yeah, the vibes are it's Midsummer. 181 00:09:26,200 --> 00:09:31,000 The vibes are top notch. So the next question is around 182 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:33,560 your first job. So what was your first? 183 00:09:33,840 --> 00:09:36,920 What was your first job and how did it shape your work ethic? 184 00:09:36,920 --> 00:09:39,720 And this could be, you know, your first job as a kid or your 185 00:09:39,720 --> 00:09:43,040 first job out of school. Yeah, so my first job. 186 00:09:43,040 --> 00:09:46,080 So I did, maybe I'll give you my, my first two jobs. 187 00:09:46,080 --> 00:09:51,160 So I did consulting right after college for about a little bit 188 00:09:51,360 --> 00:09:55,080 under a year. And then I did private equity. 189 00:09:55,960 --> 00:09:58,720 So I was in New York 1st and then I moved to Hong Kong. 190 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:01,240 In terms of how it shaped my you said. 191 00:10:01,360 --> 00:10:05,040 Work ethic. Yeah, I think a lot of it was 192 00:10:05,160 --> 00:10:07,000 actually just like working really hard. 193 00:10:08,160 --> 00:10:11,000 Yeah, I, I think one of the thing was, I think 1 is in 194 00:10:11,040 --> 00:10:13,400 consulting because everything was new. 195 00:10:13,400 --> 00:10:16,560 So it felt like, for me, it really felt like I got paid to 196 00:10:16,560 --> 00:10:19,800 just learn a lot. So I did have that intellectual 197 00:10:19,800 --> 00:10:22,080 curiosity. So it felt like, yes, it was a 198 00:10:22,080 --> 00:10:24,040 lot of work, but also just felt like playground because 199 00:10:24,040 --> 00:10:26,800 everything was new. So I had a lot of drive to just 200 00:10:26,800 --> 00:10:31,280 learn new things and then and then in my next job in private 201 00:10:31,280 --> 00:10:34,960 equity, it was a brand, brand, brand new industry and I really 202 00:10:34,960 --> 00:10:37,280 didn't have any prior experience in it. 203 00:10:37,720 --> 00:10:41,960 A lot of my cohort who came in actually had more finance 204 00:10:41,960 --> 00:10:45,120 background. So again, a lot of how it shaped 205 00:10:45,120 --> 00:10:49,040 me really just thrown into a new environment and really learning 206 00:10:49,040 --> 00:10:53,000 new things and just giving yourself the confidence that you 207 00:10:53,000 --> 00:10:56,320 can't pick up things. Growth mindset and and very much 208 00:10:56,320 --> 00:10:59,920 like a willingness and a desire to learn and grow and do that 209 00:10:59,920 --> 00:11:01,240 over again. Yes, yes, yes. 210 00:11:01,240 --> 00:11:04,080 You can always like pick up new skills reinventing your results 211 00:11:04,200 --> 00:11:05,160 so. I love that. 212 00:11:05,320 --> 00:11:08,480 So the last question for you is around Conference 2024. 213 00:11:08,800 --> 00:11:11,760 So what do you hope to get out of conference or what are you 214 00:11:11,760 --> 00:11:14,720 looking forward to? And what is the most valuable 215 00:11:14,720 --> 00:11:20,040 part of Conference 2024? I think what conference, at 216 00:11:20,040 --> 00:11:24,080 least for me is it does a really good job bringing together 217 00:11:24,640 --> 00:11:27,240 people from really different walks of lights because there's 218 00:11:27,960 --> 00:11:32,040 a certain conferences, conference with AC that you 219 00:11:32,040 --> 00:11:34,920 know, focus on whether you know, a subgroup like whether there is 220 00:11:34,920 --> 00:11:38,040 a certain investors or entrepreneurs or healthcare. 221 00:11:38,160 --> 00:11:40,760 Yeah, so the industry. But I think this one almost 222 00:11:40,760 --> 00:11:43,840 feels like there's no particular agenda in terms of what they're 223 00:11:43,840 --> 00:11:47,640 trying to do, but just really bring together a a group of very 224 00:11:47,640 --> 00:11:53,360 interesting people and you let you let people form these 225 00:11:53,360 --> 00:11:56,080 connections organically and like a lot of good things happen. 226 00:11:56,480 --> 00:11:59,600 That's well said, very well put. I feel like the the talks that 227 00:11:59,600 --> 00:12:02,280 we've had and the conversations you just have over dinner, very 228 00:12:02,280 --> 00:12:05,960 organic and people that I normally wouldn't talk to. 229 00:12:05,960 --> 00:12:08,160 It's different when it's like industry focused. 230 00:12:08,160 --> 00:12:12,280 This is 1 purely on tech or AI, but so many different people are 231 00:12:12,280 --> 00:12:14,320 coming and I think there's the most learning there. 232 00:12:14,480 --> 00:12:16,760 Yeah, yeah, Very cool. Awesome. 233 00:12:16,800 --> 00:12:18,240 So that's it. Oh well, thank you. 234 00:12:18,800 --> 00:12:22,280 Yeah, what a great conversation with Michelle. 235 00:12:22,280 --> 00:12:26,560 Yeah, I loved watching you do the conversation while you were 236 00:12:26,560 --> 00:12:28,600 filming it. It was really, it was really fun 237 00:12:28,600 --> 00:12:30,440 to, like, listen to it back too, yeah. 238 00:12:30,920 --> 00:12:33,440 Before we get to the main takeaways, Please remember to 239 00:12:33,440 --> 00:12:38,000 like, comment, and subscribe. And if you could rate US on 240 00:12:38,000 --> 00:12:41,560 Apple Podcast and Spotify, it would mean the world to us. 241 00:12:41,560 --> 00:12:45,360 And it only takes a few seconds to do 5 stars. 242 00:12:46,440 --> 00:12:47,880 Awesome. We'll be right back with the 243 00:12:47,880 --> 00:12:49,480 takeaways right after this break. 244 00:12:50,040 --> 00:12:52,480 Hey everyone, quick break to share something special. 245 00:12:52,600 --> 00:12:55,320 Sisters Matcha. 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I think one of the main 257 00:13:31,840 --> 00:13:36,240 conversation topics that really stood out to me was when she 258 00:13:36,240 --> 00:13:39,880 shared a really personal anecdote of when she and her 259 00:13:39,880 --> 00:13:43,440 boyfriend at the time broke up. And it really changed the 260 00:13:43,440 --> 00:13:48,160 trajectory of where she thought she wanted to go because she had 261 00:13:48,160 --> 00:13:51,680 a grand plan for her career, and this was kind of part of that 262 00:13:51,680 --> 00:13:53,640 grand plan. Yeah, she thought she was going 263 00:13:53,640 --> 00:13:57,880 to be an HBS girly, so then she ended up being a Stanford GSB 264 00:13:57,880 --> 00:14:00,080 girly instead. Which is also OK. 265 00:14:01,360 --> 00:14:03,000 Which is, it's good too, you know. 266 00:14:03,240 --> 00:14:03,920 It's a good. School too. 267 00:14:03,960 --> 00:14:06,040 It's also a good. School, I mean, I didn't really 268 00:14:06,040 --> 00:14:08,800 expect her to go that deep and she's honestly like, we just met 269 00:14:08,800 --> 00:14:11,480 a few minutes ago, but I will go there and I really appreciated 270 00:14:11,480 --> 00:14:14,840 that because it shows like a little bit more about like what 271 00:14:15,040 --> 00:14:17,960 she cared about and honestly a very vulnerable moment. 272 00:14:17,960 --> 00:14:22,240 Yeah, I think it's also, I don't know, I thought it was very 273 00:14:22,640 --> 00:14:25,840 noticeable to me that she was one of the few people that 274 00:14:25,840 --> 00:14:29,640 actually brought in her personal life into the conversation in a 275 00:14:29,640 --> 00:14:35,200 way that wasn't related to like, her career directly at all. 276 00:14:35,400 --> 00:14:38,640 But she was like, this is something that had a major 277 00:14:38,640 --> 00:14:42,920 effect on me and my life and therefore my career. 278 00:14:42,960 --> 00:14:46,160 Like, it's, you know, because life is not that cut and dry. 279 00:14:46,160 --> 00:14:51,320 You can't just separate your life life from your career life, 280 00:14:51,320 --> 00:14:53,880 your work life. It's all intertwined, actually. 281 00:14:53,880 --> 00:14:56,280 That's kind of what our podcast is all about, yeah. 282 00:14:56,560 --> 00:15:01,720 Like hey. It's like your work life and 283 00:15:01,720 --> 00:15:06,880 your personal life, especially if you're someone who is, you 284 00:15:06,880 --> 00:15:10,040 know, a go getter and like your work life and your personal life 285 00:15:10,040 --> 00:15:12,080 are kind of mixed. Like it's on your mind as much 286 00:15:12,080 --> 00:15:15,200 as you try to separate it. And Michelle and I think we are 287 00:15:15,200 --> 00:15:17,400 those people who kind of have it intertwined. 288 00:15:17,400 --> 00:15:21,840 And if you are too, it's just it goes to show how they're kind of 289 00:15:21,840 --> 00:15:23,760 related. And there's always trade-offs. 290 00:15:23,800 --> 00:15:28,200 And I so relate to her plan because even when she said it 291 00:15:28,200 --> 00:15:30,520 out loud to us, I was like, wow, that's a perfect plan. 292 00:15:30,520 --> 00:15:33,200 Because she was saying how her boyfriend at the time was going 293 00:15:33,200 --> 00:15:36,200 to Harvard Medical School or was accepted Harvard Medical School. 294 00:15:36,200 --> 00:15:39,240 And so she was like, oh, it would be perfect for me to then 295 00:15:39,240 --> 00:15:41,040 at the same time go to Harvard Business School. 296 00:15:41,040 --> 00:15:43,800 So then we can move to Boston together and then we can have 297 00:15:43,800 --> 00:15:46,520 this like, you know, beautiful, like student life together. 298 00:15:46,520 --> 00:15:49,560 And like, well, I was like, wow, that does sound too great. 299 00:15:49,680 --> 00:15:52,000 I saw I saw that life for her as well. 300 00:15:52,920 --> 00:15:55,120 But then she was like, yeah, then I didn't get into Harvard 301 00:15:55,120 --> 00:15:58,320 Business School and I broke up with my boyfriend. 302 00:15:58,440 --> 00:16:03,080 And so I could just, I, I relate to like the younger version of 303 00:16:03,080 --> 00:16:06,640 her so much because that's just very, very unmooring. 304 00:16:06,680 --> 00:16:09,880 And I feel like that's also kind of what happened to me recently. 305 00:16:09,880 --> 00:16:14,320 You know, it's like two huge things happened to me in 2024, 306 00:16:14,320 --> 00:16:18,200 which is that one, I left my corporate job of seven years at 307 00:16:18,200 --> 00:16:21,840 Snapchat and left corporate life overall, which is the only thing 308 00:16:21,840 --> 00:16:24,640 I've ever known really aside from student life. 309 00:16:24,640 --> 00:16:28,360 And then two, I ended my engagement of a relationship of 310 00:16:28,360 --> 00:16:32,760 eight years. So like both of those are I 311 00:16:32,760 --> 00:16:35,840 wouldn't even say equally. I think the personal one is even 312 00:16:36,280 --> 00:16:37,720 bigger. I don't know but it. 313 00:16:37,800 --> 00:16:41,920 Is bigger I think. Yeah, but like it's just very 314 00:16:41,920 --> 00:16:44,520 unmooring because then you're like, who am I? 315 00:16:44,640 --> 00:16:49,120 You know, because so much of your identity is tied up in like 316 00:16:49,120 --> 00:16:51,440 1 your career. If you're like a very career 317 00:16:51,440 --> 00:16:55,480 oriented, ambitious person. And then also so much of your 318 00:16:55,480 --> 00:16:58,800 identity is built up with your partner, like so many of your 319 00:16:58,800 --> 00:17:02,560 like friend groups and the way that people, a lot of people 320 00:17:02,560 --> 00:17:06,240 over the last eight years, like when they met me, they only ever 321 00:17:06,240 --> 00:17:09,480 knew me as a partnered person. Right, like. 322 00:17:09,920 --> 00:17:12,560 In context with this one other person. 323 00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:19,240 So you're just like, who am I? Like I'm not head of product. 324 00:17:19,240 --> 00:17:22,200 It's not but anymore I'm not, you know, Gene an ex person 325 00:17:22,200 --> 00:17:23,839 anymore. It's just. 326 00:17:26,480 --> 00:17:30,000 Who watches my stories? Sometimes I think that's why. 327 00:17:30,560 --> 00:17:33,560 I don't know why. Like I see this person, I read 328 00:17:33,560 --> 00:17:35,720 my IG stories and I was like, what are you do? 329 00:17:36,040 --> 00:17:38,760 I'm like, Ariana, what are you doing here? 330 00:17:38,760 --> 00:17:41,320 Like you shouldn't be watching my stories anymore. 331 00:17:43,280 --> 00:17:48,040 But yeah, I'm like, who am I? Yeah. 332 00:17:48,360 --> 00:17:50,920 I mean, I think it's real. It's like, so it's a 333 00:17:51,080 --> 00:17:54,600 untethering, untethered feeling. You know, as Michelle was 334 00:17:54,600 --> 00:17:57,360 saying, it's like when you have a vision for career or personal 335 00:17:57,360 --> 00:18:01,200 life, or like the way that it's tied, like not having that 336 00:18:01,200 --> 00:18:05,160 anymore is a strange feeling. Yeah, and I also really like the 337 00:18:05,200 --> 00:18:09,120 other thing she said, which is that different things happen for 338 00:18:09,120 --> 00:18:11,240 different people at different times. 339 00:18:11,600 --> 00:18:14,160 Different good things, different bad things, just different 340 00:18:14,160 --> 00:18:16,320 things happen in different periods of your life. 341 00:18:16,560 --> 00:18:21,400 Just because it didn't happen for you at a certain point in 342 00:18:21,400 --> 00:18:24,120 your life the same time as your friends, doesn't mean it's not 343 00:18:24,120 --> 00:18:27,280 going to happen, and it doesn't mean that you know the timeline 344 00:18:27,280 --> 00:18:30,040 that you're on is not what is best for you. 345 00:18:30,920 --> 00:18:33,400 Sorry for all the double negatives, but I think you get 346 00:18:33,400 --> 00:18:34,880 my meaning. I got it. 347 00:18:34,880 --> 00:18:37,720 No, it's clicking for me. Yeah, and, and can I just, I 348 00:18:37,720 --> 00:18:39,600 want to quote her specifically, she said. 349 00:18:40,000 --> 00:18:42,440 I really think life is so, so long. 350 00:18:42,680 --> 00:18:45,080 People reinvent themselves all the time now. 351 00:18:45,080 --> 00:18:47,960 You see a lot of people who hit their strides at different times 352 00:18:47,960 --> 00:18:51,400 in life, and I really love that. And it made me think about my 353 00:18:51,400 --> 00:18:55,680 own past where, you know, we're doing Sisters worldwide now, 354 00:18:55,680 --> 00:18:58,000 we're doing Sisters Macho, we're doing Tiger Sisters. 355 00:18:58,280 --> 00:19:01,600 We have our own startup. And what I don't talk about a 356 00:19:01,600 --> 00:19:03,800 lot is that this is not my first startup. 357 00:19:03,960 --> 00:19:05,760 This is actually my second startup. 358 00:19:05,760 --> 00:19:07,920 This ain't her first rodeo. This ain't my first rodeo. 359 00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:12,600 I've fallen off the horse before, but yeah, I actually had 360 00:19:12,600 --> 00:19:19,200 my own startup back in 20, 16 that I ran for a year. 361 00:19:19,400 --> 00:19:23,560 We had customers, I worked on it full time, I had an entire team 362 00:19:24,040 --> 00:19:28,080 and it failed. I shut it down after about a 363 00:19:28,080 --> 00:19:31,280 year because I was like, this is not on the path that I want it 364 00:19:31,280 --> 00:19:33,880 to be and it's not what I'm going to do after Business 365 00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:35,560 School. So like I had set up parameters 366 00:19:35,560 --> 00:19:40,280 to try to make the experiment or to try to make it as safe as 367 00:19:40,280 --> 00:19:46,000 possible for me to fail, but regardless I failed. 368 00:19:46,400 --> 00:19:51,560 So this is actually my like second go at having a startup 369 00:19:52,360 --> 00:19:54,160 and. Things are different this time. 370 00:19:54,480 --> 00:19:57,240 Yeah, you got me. I got my bud right here. 371 00:19:58,000 --> 00:19:59,520 And it is. Things are different though. 372 00:19:59,600 --> 00:20:02,000 That actually is the main difference, but. 373 00:20:02,440 --> 00:20:03,720 Wait, that things are different or me? 374 00:20:04,400 --> 00:20:07,560 Well, you. Duh. 375 00:20:09,800 --> 00:20:13,960 Well, also things are different that you also have like 7 years 376 00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:17,920 of operating experience in a different product role, a much 377 00:20:17,920 --> 00:20:21,440 more like highly visible. Product role, totally And like 378 00:20:21,440 --> 00:20:25,320 in that period between then and now, like I've done like $100 379 00:20:25,320 --> 00:20:29,000 million deals like I've done I've run major teams like I've 380 00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:32,440 built up entire business units and I had never done that when I 381 00:20:32,440 --> 00:20:34,800 started my first company. It kind of is like what Vu was 382 00:20:34,800 --> 00:20:37,240 saying. Yeah, Vu was saying that he he 383 00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:40,480 did Y Combinator twice. The first time he he was 18 and 384 00:20:40,480 --> 00:20:43,720 19, and the second time he was 2223. 385 00:20:43,920 --> 00:20:47,960 And he was like, those two times were a world of difference 386 00:20:48,800 --> 00:20:51,120 because we were like, oh, what happened with your first 387 00:20:51,120 --> 00:20:52,800 company? He was like, I was 18. 388 00:20:53,360 --> 00:20:56,760 It failed. We'll link the conversation with 389 00:20:56,760 --> 00:20:58,560 you. It was an earlier podcast. 390 00:20:58,720 --> 00:21:00,600 Great conversation. We'll link it here if you guys 391 00:21:00,600 --> 00:21:01,800 are interested in listening to that. 392 00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:04,240 Yeah. But yeah, I think it just goes 393 00:21:04,240 --> 00:21:07,280 to show, just because you fail at something one time doesn't 394 00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:10,360 mean that you're not destined to do it. 395 00:21:10,760 --> 00:21:12,920 Yeah. And it also, I think it's really 396 00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:16,520 powerful too, because then you have to have a perspective of 397 00:21:16,520 --> 00:21:18,720 like, wanting to get back on the horse. 398 00:21:18,840 --> 00:21:21,840 Like going with this analogy, not your first rodeo, you fell 399 00:21:21,840 --> 00:21:23,240 off the horse. You want to get back on the 400 00:21:23,240 --> 00:21:27,080 horse and like, try it again. It's like a persistence, great 401 00:21:27,440 --> 00:21:30,120 resilience mindset. Yeah, also, I love horses. 402 00:21:32,080 --> 00:21:35,560 I don't know if it was because it was me talking to Michelle 403 00:21:35,920 --> 00:21:38,960 and like we were just like bouncing off one another. 404 00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:40,520 Like the vibes were totally there. 405 00:21:40,520 --> 00:21:43,320 And like how we talk to one another and like it seems like 406 00:21:43,320 --> 00:21:48,880 we both like subscribe to kind of what you were saying, like 407 00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:51,080 what will happen happens and timing. 408 00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:53,400 And like, I think I don't even know if she said it or I said 409 00:21:53,400 --> 00:21:56,240 it, but I was just like, oh, it's like what the universe has 410 00:21:56,600 --> 00:21:58,800 planned for you. So like, if the conversation 411 00:21:58,800 --> 00:22:01,800 like went there and I'm like really glad that it did because 412 00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:06,120 often like I really believe in like what will happen will 413 00:22:06,120 --> 00:22:08,520 happen, like karma and all this stuff. 414 00:22:09,800 --> 00:22:12,240 And I've talked to a few leaders about this, but like, people 415 00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:15,520 don't publicly really talk about it, you know? 416 00:22:15,520 --> 00:22:18,760 Well, there's the idea of like a higher power, yeah. 417 00:22:18,800 --> 00:22:21,480 Or Destiny. Yeah, one of the associations 418 00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:24,440 that I had was like, what is the formula for happiness? 419 00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:28,600 And like I like somewhere like where people like happiness 420 00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:33,200 equals like expectations minus reality and how big that delta 421 00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:35,400 is. And so I thought that was, it 422 00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:37,840 was just like a really interesting, like a another 423 00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:39,840 association that I have. Yeah, well, so she actually 424 00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:43,200 brought that up when we asked her about her favorite travel 425 00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:46,560 recommendation, and she said it was like Scandinavia, right? 426 00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:50,600 And they were happy because they had lower expectations or like 427 00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:52,360 something. With like the weather or like 428 00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:54,560 weather like, you know. What I'm saying that it's like 429 00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:57,800 dark there most of the year and so when they do have a sunny 430 00:22:57,800 --> 00:23:02,400 day, they're so happy for it, but because they expect a gloomy 431 00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:06,720 day or like a day without sun most of the time that they like 432 00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:09,000 so much more appreciate the sunny days. 433 00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:11,960 Yeah, which is really powerful. I like that a lot. 434 00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:15,480 It's like an analogy of itself in and of itself. 435 00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:19,320 Yes, yes. And so, yeah, happiness equals 436 00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:24,360 reality minus expectation. And how big that or small that 437 00:23:24,360 --> 00:23:25,720 delta? Is yeah. 438 00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:29,000 So if you have. Expectations are lower and 439 00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:31,040 reality is there. You're very happy. 440 00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:33,720 I think it's also back to what she was saying earlier. 441 00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:40,960 It's also an element of letting go of certain dreams or paths 442 00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:44,880 that you had seen yourself on when they are not your path. 443 00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:47,080 Or doesn't pan out. Yeah, when it doesn't pan out, 444 00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:51,920 like if not some, if something isn't meant for you, then being 445 00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:56,040 able to like let go of that so that you can receive, so that 446 00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:58,400 you can receive like the future blessings and the future 447 00:23:58,400 --> 00:24:03,520 opportunities and like have your eyes open to that as opposed to 448 00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:06,680 still being fixated on like what didn't happen for you. 449 00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:09,440 Well, you know, there's a Helen Keller quote that that talks to 450 00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:12,320 the. No dude, she's just. 451 00:24:13,120 --> 00:24:15,360 I got, I got quotes up here, Quotes. 452 00:24:15,360 --> 00:24:19,160 No, it's perfect. Is it Archduke Ferdinand? 453 00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:22,440 No, it's not Archduke Ferdinand. It's a Helen Keller quote where 454 00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:28,240 she goes when one door closes, another window of opportunity 455 00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:33,280 opens, but you have to be searching for the other window 456 00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:35,600 of opportunity rather than looking at the closed door. 457 00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:38,400 Yeah, I'm paraphrasing, but that's basically, yeah, the 458 00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:40,320 Helen color. Did she really say that or is it 459 00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:43,120 one of those things that are like attributed to Mark Twain, 460 00:24:43,120 --> 00:24:46,480 the Dalai Lama, The Dalai Lama said Mark. 461 00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:48,280 Twain said. Keller said Albert. 462 00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:50,480 Einstein said no, I think she, I think she said it. 463 00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:53,640 Did you do a report on Helen Keller once or was that me? 464 00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:56,880 I learned about Helen Keller. We watched the movie in like 465 00:24:56,880 --> 00:24:59,840 third grade. She was a big part of our 466 00:24:59,840 --> 00:25:01,960 curriculum on Long Island. I don't know. 467 00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:03,720 Why she was? She was. 468 00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:07,040 She was. We were heavy on Helen Keller. 469 00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:09,600 She's inspiring. And also the three O3 song. 470 00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:19,480 Move your hips. Shush girl, shut your lips to 471 00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:22,040 the Helen Kellen and talk with your hips. 472 00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:25,120 That said, girls, no. Anyone I know? 473 00:25:25,120 --> 00:25:26,520 That's all. What is the hand signal? 474 00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:27,880 I'm not. I'm not even going to try for 475 00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:30,240 3:03, but that was also my 7th grade. 476 00:25:31,360 --> 00:25:35,320 OK, no, So yeah, it's it's in you, it's relative, yes. 477 00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:38,840 The other thing that Michelle talked about that I loved is 478 00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:43,680 that she said how her first job, what it ultimately gave her is 479 00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:47,360 the confidence that you can pick things up or her first couple 480 00:25:47,360 --> 00:25:48,760 jobs. Because she said first she did 481 00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:52,760 consulting and after that she moved into PE where she was kind 482 00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:56,280 of like a peg below everyone because she hadn't done finance 483 00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:58,960 before getting into PE. So she was like everyone else 484 00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:02,040 was really practiced and making all these models and then 485 00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:04,520 basically done the job before or a version of the job. 486 00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:08,920 And she was like automatically behind on 1st day she started. 487 00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:12,080 But she was like, what that did was it gave me the confidence to 488 00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:14,600 know that I can do, I can learn anything. 489 00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:20,120 I think that's like such a powerful mindset for I don't 490 00:26:20,120 --> 00:26:22,760 know, like any like any young person is that you can pick 491 00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:26,320 things up, you can learn them. And like, if you stop learning 492 00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:28,680 and like growing, then like that's kind of like the death to 493 00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:31,120 like, I don't know your curiosity, the death. 494 00:26:31,120 --> 00:26:35,560 Knell, what's that? It's like the the blow, the 495 00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:38,160 death, the blow of death. Oh, final pass. 496 00:26:38,360 --> 00:26:40,600 I don't know. I mean, also something that we 497 00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:44,640 didn't really mention in the interview is that like how many 498 00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:49,480 experiences Michelle has had that like shape who she is? 499 00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:51,840 She is so accomplished. Yeah, and and. 500 00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:53,640 Humble and humble. Because, like, she doesn't even 501 00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:54,800 talk about it. So, like, you wouldn't even 502 00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:56,800 know. But like, I just kind of want to 503 00:26:56,800 --> 00:26:59,720 read off, like, all the varied experiences that she's had. 504 00:26:59,880 --> 00:27:03,040 Like, Jean says she used to work in consulting private equity at 505 00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:05,640 Blackstone. She worked in the office, so the 506 00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:09,120 CEO of Lauro Piana, which I feel like we need another 507 00:27:09,120 --> 00:27:10,400 conversation with her because like. 508 00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:12,680 You know, I want to know about that. 509 00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:14,040 We didn't. Even get to talk about it like 510 00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:15,840 that's so sick. Yeah. 511 00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:17,920 And does she still get discounts? 512 00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:21,560 Just kidding, I don't know if they do discounts, but yeah. 513 00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:25,920 She also most recently works at TikTok in the special projects 514 00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:30,080 office, which is just so cool. And you can see from these, 515 00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:34,920 like, different experiences, like how she grows and learns on 516 00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:35,800 the job. Yeah. 517 00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:37,960 So she's head of special projects, which from what I know 518 00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:41,360 is an extremely important and highly influential role. 519 00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:43,600 That's like shaping the strategy and. 520 00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:47,080 Direction. Yeah, the direction of TikTok. 521 00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:50,520 She's so cool. Michelle is also a GSP grad, so 522 00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:52,720 like off screen. And then also the after the 523 00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:56,040 interview, like a bunch of us went out to dinner together and 524 00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:57,320 you can't really see town screen. 525 00:27:57,320 --> 00:28:01,000 But like, we were talking to her and also other people who are 526 00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:02,840 GSP grads. And it's just like a really. 527 00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:07,680 It reminded me like the network of GSP is far larger than I had 528 00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:10,840 thought because like, I have my classmates, but then it's like, 529 00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:13,120 so fun connecting with alums too. 530 00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:14,760 Yeah. Especially like at these 531 00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:16,920 conferences where like, we don't, I don't know anyone. 532 00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:19,040 I don't have anything in common with them, but then like this 533 00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:20,920 thing just comes up that I'm like, oh, I recently graduated 534 00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:22,320 GSP. They're like, oh, I went to GSP. 535 00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:25,520 It's just like so topical, especially because I just since 536 00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:27,320 graduated. And we also have another 537 00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:30,800 interview coming up with John Redgrave, who is another 538 00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:34,280 Stanford GSP graduate. The familiarity and the like. 539 00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:36,840 Inside jokes like are. Totally a thing. 540 00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:43,720 We have that at Harvard, but we have that at Stanford, and so I 541 00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:45,320 do. Think it's really cool they have 542 00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:47,920 like these like classes that everyone like everyone takes 543 00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:52,040 about and like it is very, it is very cute. 544 00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:54,040 It's giving, it's giving Dartmouth vibes. 545 00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:57,320 OK, she has another reference to an Ivy League that she has to 546 00:28:57,320 --> 00:28:57,720 bring up. Oh my. 547 00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:00,200 God, bro, but that's what it reminds me of. 548 00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:03,240 It does like everyone has like really strong associate really 549 00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:05,600 strong positive associations with it. 550 00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:08,440 So like it's like if you meet another Dartmouth person, then 551 00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:10,840 you have to like talk about the fact that you're from Dartmouth 552 00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:13,200 together and like you just have like word vomit. 553 00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:16,120 You can't stop yourself. It's like a compulsion so that I 554 00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:18,000 feel like you guys are the same at the Stanford. 555 00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:19,760 It's like a compulsion. You have to. 556 00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:24,240 I. Think I mean it it it does speak 557 00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:27,560 to the power of the culture that we've built with the strength 558 00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:28,520 so. Small. 559 00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:31,520 Yeah, that like it. It feels very familial. 560 00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:33,400 Yeah, yeah, you're just like naturally. 561 00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:35,280 Obsessed. Yeah, naturally obsessed. 562 00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:38,320 And then the one thing I wanted to close on was just a quote 563 00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:40,280 that Michelle said that I really liked. 564 00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:44,080 And I just want to leave it there for everyone to kind of 565 00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:47,960 sit with at the end. And she said, how do you change 566 00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:51,080 the course of your life? Embrace what's in front of you. 567 00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:56,920 I love that I will be journaling that and they love that for the 568 00:29:56,920 --> 00:29:59,000 next days. Thank you. 569 00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:02,080 Yeah, she just had like. Wisdom. 570 00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:05,440 She had wisdom, she had bangers, and she was just saying them 571 00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:09,200 casually. I was like, wow, she's really 572 00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:11,680 thoughtful. She's really something, yes. 573 00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:14,360 Awesome. Well, thank you guys so much for 574 00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:16,840 tuning into this episode of Tiger Sisters. 575 00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:20,240 Before we close off, Please remember to like, comment and 576 00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:23,000 subscribe. And if you're listening to us on 577 00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:26,480 Apple Podcast or Spotify, we would so appreciate if you gave 578 00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:29,800 us a five star review. It only takes a few seconds and 579 00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:32,280 it means the world to us. It helps a lot. 580 00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:34,160 Thanks guys. Bye.