1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:04,080 This is Starting Over at ages 29 and 36. 2 00:00:04,200 --> 00:00:07,560 Part 2 of our Starting Over series, where we go over 3 00:00:07,560 --> 00:00:11,160 incredible tips from experts like James Clear on Atomic 4 00:00:11,160 --> 00:00:14,720 Habits, Brené Brown on vulnerability, and famous 5 00:00:14,720 --> 00:00:16,800 relationship expert Esther Perel. 6 00:00:17,040 --> 00:00:19,360 Today we're giving you the blueprint to totally reboot, 7 00:00:19,400 --> 00:00:22,760 from vulnerability to habits to game changing relationship tips. 8 00:00:23,200 --> 00:00:26,720 In this episode, we're going to give you the ultimate toolkit 9 00:00:26,720 --> 00:00:30,040 for starting over at any age. Yeah, starting over can feel 10 00:00:30,040 --> 00:00:32,680 really scary, but it's not if you have the right tools and the 11 00:00:32,680 --> 00:00:35,880 right frameworks. And as always, we also have many 12 00:00:35,880 --> 00:00:38,320 exercises for us to go through live to practice these 13 00:00:38,320 --> 00:00:40,720 frameworks. And also for each framework, 14 00:00:40,720 --> 00:00:43,880 we're going to talk about kind of examples that are sort of 15 00:00:43,880 --> 00:00:46,920 like case studies to really learn them better, just like we 16 00:00:46,920 --> 00:00:49,720 do at Harvard Business School. I love this episode and this 17 00:00:49,720 --> 00:00:52,480 topic because starting over is so hard. 18 00:00:52,560 --> 00:00:55,440 If you're stuck or scared to restart your life, stick with us 19 00:00:55,440 --> 00:00:57,440 for this episode. I'm Cherie. 20 00:00:57,520 --> 00:01:00,920 I'm Jean and. We're the Tiger sisters. 21 00:01:13,640 --> 00:01:16,520 We are the Internet's Wall Street and Silicon Valley Big 22 00:01:16,520 --> 00:01:19,120 Sisters. We're the number 8 top business 23 00:01:19,120 --> 00:01:23,160 podcast on Spotify where we talk about money, power and love. 24 00:01:23,720 --> 00:01:26,200 And all of this is to help you build a life that you love. 25 00:01:26,400 --> 00:01:28,640 Welcome to the Tiger Sisters podcast. 26 00:01:29,000 --> 00:01:31,000 We'll get started right after this break. 27 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:34,680 This episode of Tiger Sisters is brought to you by Read. 28 00:01:34,720 --> 00:01:37,040 AI, yes. And it's not just another note 29 00:01:37,040 --> 00:01:40,520 taker. It's like an AI copilot that can 30 00:01:40,520 --> 00:01:43,560 read, transcribe and summarize your meeting notes. 31 00:01:43,800 --> 00:01:47,680 It reads the energy and vibe of your meetings to give you the 32 00:01:47,680 --> 00:01:50,880 next smart steps. 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So the first topic we're going 61 00:03:08,560 --> 00:03:11,960 to go over is James Clears Atomic Habits and why it's 62 00:03:11,960 --> 00:03:14,840 relevant for starting over. I'm so excited to talk about 63 00:03:14,840 --> 00:03:16,760 this. I read this book a few years ago 64 00:03:16,800 --> 00:03:19,320 and it's still something that I think about every single week. 65 00:03:20,040 --> 00:03:23,880 Experts say that 90% of people who start a new habit end up 66 00:03:23,880 --> 00:03:27,400 quitting at day 10. And we're going to show you how 67 00:03:27,400 --> 00:03:30,160 to be that successful 10% that sticks with it. 68 00:03:30,360 --> 00:03:33,920 Yeah, because when reinventing yourself, huge goals can be kind 69 00:03:33,920 --> 00:03:35,680 of paralyzing. And so the good thing about 70 00:03:35,680 --> 00:03:38,120 Atomic Habits is that essentially it breaks things 71 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:40,840 down into mini goals that you can actually achieve, so that 72 00:03:40,840 --> 00:03:43,760 you can be that 10% that actually keeps your goals as 73 00:03:43,760 --> 00:03:45,440 opposed to the 90% that fall off. 74 00:03:46,160 --> 00:03:50,240 In James Clears book Atomic Habits, he teaches to one, make 75 00:03:50,240 --> 00:03:54,200 it obvious, 2 make it attractive, three make it easy, 76 00:03:54,200 --> 00:03:59,240 and four, make it satisfying. It being the habit, yeah. 77 00:03:59,560 --> 00:04:02,880 And I feel like a really big part of his book is the idea or 78 00:04:02,880 --> 00:04:07,240 the concept of being like self identifying yourself with that 79 00:04:07,240 --> 00:04:10,000 habit. So for example, like being like, 80 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:13,920 yeah, I am a person that goes to the gym three times a week or 81 00:04:13,920 --> 00:04:15,520 like, yeah, I'm an active person. 82 00:04:15,520 --> 00:04:17,000 That's why I go to the gym three times a week. 83 00:04:17,279 --> 00:04:19,880 I think that's like one of his like main premises, right? 84 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:23,040 That's one of the big takeaways. It's like, how do you make that 85 00:04:23,040 --> 00:04:25,600 your identity? Like I am a healthy person. 86 00:04:25,720 --> 00:04:28,240 What would a healthy person do? They would eat healthy. 87 00:04:28,240 --> 00:04:30,280 They would go to the gym. And when you embrace that 88 00:04:30,280 --> 00:04:33,880 identity, it makes it harder to break the habit. 89 00:04:33,880 --> 00:04:35,200 You want to keep going? Yeah. 90 00:04:35,480 --> 00:04:39,120 So bringing in a personal case study or an example that I bring 91 00:04:39,120 --> 00:04:43,400 this into my life is that I have a habit of trying to go to the 92 00:04:43,400 --> 00:04:46,520 gym every single day for 30 days in a row. 93 00:04:46,520 --> 00:04:49,160 It's really hard to not break that chain. 94 00:04:49,160 --> 00:04:53,360 But something that I do is that I make it very clear and visual. 95 00:04:53,360 --> 00:04:56,520 So I have a calendar that shows each day that I go to the gym. 96 00:04:56,520 --> 00:04:59,800 I put an X on my calendar and it creates this chain that I can 97 00:04:59,800 --> 00:05:02,360 see right in front of me. I don't want to break the chain. 98 00:05:02,400 --> 00:05:06,160 And it is very satisfying when I go to the gym, I come back and I 99 00:05:06,160 --> 00:05:08,720 make an X on my calendar and I'm like, huh? 100 00:05:08,880 --> 00:05:12,200 I feel so relieved that I'm able to keep this going. 101 00:05:12,320 --> 00:05:17,760 So that's one very clear example, James, clear example of 102 00:05:17,760 --> 00:05:19,920 how I bring this into my life. And if you guys want to do 103 00:05:19,920 --> 00:05:22,880 something similar, Gene and I have a habit tracker that we 104 00:05:22,880 --> 00:05:25,560 created for you. It's a digital downloadable that 105 00:05:25,560 --> 00:05:27,840 is LinkedIn. This video description, it's 106 00:05:27,840 --> 00:05:30,520 free, you can download it. It's a calendar and it shows all 107 00:05:30,520 --> 00:05:33,120 the days of the year so that you can track your habits. 108 00:05:33,600 --> 00:05:36,840 Yeah, I think that concept of Don't Break the Chain is pretty 109 00:05:37,120 --> 00:05:39,720 like famous and well known. It's used by a lot of people. 110 00:05:40,400 --> 00:05:44,040 One that I remember is apparently like Jerry Seinfeld, 111 00:05:44,360 --> 00:05:48,520 he sort of forced himself to continue to, like, write more 112 00:05:48,520 --> 00:05:52,200 jokes by doing don't break the chain For like every single day 113 00:05:52,360 --> 00:05:55,240 he would come up with a new joke and like, he would make the X on 114 00:05:55,240 --> 00:05:57,880 his calendar to be like, OK, I came up with a new joke today, 115 00:05:58,000 --> 00:06:00,440 XXX. So that's kind of how he like 116 00:06:00,440 --> 00:06:03,560 got better at his craft. Yeah, and how do you apply 117 00:06:03,560 --> 00:06:05,160 atomic habits to your daily life? 118 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:10,600 Yeah, For me, I think it's the example of once I became single 119 00:06:10,600 --> 00:06:13,960 again this past year and I started dating, I was like, OK, 120 00:06:14,160 --> 00:06:18,200 the first part of that is just like making myself get out there 121 00:06:18,200 --> 00:06:20,200 and like, interact with people in the world. 122 00:06:20,400 --> 00:06:23,240 So I kind of took on the identity of being like, OK, I'm 123 00:06:23,240 --> 00:06:27,040 a person that says yes to different invitations. 124 00:06:27,200 --> 00:06:31,200 So even if it's something I would normally maybe not say yes 125 00:06:31,200 --> 00:06:35,960 to, I'm going to say yes to it and like try to aim to go to, 126 00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:40,640 you know, three things. I would normally not go to like 127 00:06:40,640 --> 00:06:42,160 3 * a month or something. Like that? 128 00:06:42,800 --> 00:06:46,120 Like an underground Berlin rave. Like what do we? 129 00:06:46,800 --> 00:06:47,440 Sure. Yeah. 130 00:06:47,440 --> 00:06:51,040 Like just anything like I need to like kind of, you know, break 131 00:06:51,040 --> 00:06:53,800 up the old routine and start doing new things so that I can 132 00:06:53,800 --> 00:06:56,240 be, like, out there in the world to meet people. 133 00:06:56,400 --> 00:06:58,200 True. So that actually it worked 134 00:06:58,200 --> 00:07:02,920 really well because I remember this is like back in February, 135 00:07:02,920 --> 00:07:06,160 but one of my friends had a Super Bowl party and it was also 136 00:07:06,160 --> 00:07:10,160 kind of a going away party. And I wasn't, I probably like 137 00:07:10,160 --> 00:07:12,720 wouldn't usually go cuz I don't really like watch football, I 138 00:07:12,720 --> 00:07:14,600 guess. But then I went and then I ended 139 00:07:14,600 --> 00:07:17,720 up like meeting this guy that was his like childhood friend 140 00:07:17,720 --> 00:07:22,480 that I was dating for a while. So I feel like it works. 141 00:07:22,480 --> 00:07:24,600 And it all stemmed from me being, like, taking on the 142 00:07:24,600 --> 00:07:27,840 identity of being like, yeah, I'm someone who says yes to 143 00:07:27,840 --> 00:07:31,640 social invitations, even if even if maybe in the past I would 144 00:07:31,640 --> 00:07:34,200 have said yes to them. Yeah, and when you go out, it 145 00:07:34,200 --> 00:07:38,520 opens up more opportunity and serendipity to meet new people. 146 00:07:38,640 --> 00:07:41,800 So by having that habit and figuring out a way to implement 147 00:07:41,800 --> 00:07:44,600 it in your life, it also opened up many new doors. 148 00:07:44,760 --> 00:07:46,720 Yeah. And it's something I guess like 149 00:07:47,320 --> 00:07:50,440 it's something you can sort of remind yourself of and take on 150 00:07:50,440 --> 00:07:53,360 again and again. Because I will say, like in the 151 00:07:53,360 --> 00:07:57,480 last month, like we've been so busy and just like traveling so 152 00:07:57,480 --> 00:07:59,800 much. Like we were like in Japan, we 153 00:07:59,800 --> 00:08:02,160 were in Asia, we were in Vidcon. Like we were just kind of like 154 00:08:02,560 --> 00:08:07,640 not really, you know, around and just like working all the time 155 00:08:07,960 --> 00:08:10,880 that it's almost like this is a really good reminder for me to 156 00:08:10,960 --> 00:08:14,600 sort of like take on that identity again and be like, oh, 157 00:08:14,600 --> 00:08:16,560 I'm a person that says yes to things. 158 00:08:16,680 --> 00:08:20,600 So that I'm going to like, go back out there and like be 159 00:08:20,600 --> 00:08:22,000 active and meet people in the world. 160 00:08:22,160 --> 00:08:24,440 So it's like a good reminder for me too, even just doing this 161 00:08:24,440 --> 00:08:27,720 episode. For sure, because starting over, 162 00:08:27,920 --> 00:08:30,440 it has such a scary connotation to it. 163 00:08:30,760 --> 00:08:34,679 But I think one take away I would like everyone else to go 164 00:08:34,679 --> 00:08:38,000 away with is that starting over doesn't have to be such a big 165 00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:41,000 monumental thing. There are also little ways that 166 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:43,240 you can start over and keep your life moving. 167 00:08:43,240 --> 00:08:45,880 Forward. I think often times people wait 168 00:08:45,880 --> 00:08:48,520 until the New Year's for the giant, like New Year's 169 00:08:48,520 --> 00:08:51,280 resolution in January, and that's why everyone gets to the 170 00:08:51,280 --> 00:08:52,840 gym then and then people fall off. 171 00:08:53,200 --> 00:08:56,600 But like, I honestly take, you know, if you can have the 172 00:08:56,600 --> 00:09:00,720 beginning of every month being a starting over point or creating 173 00:09:00,720 --> 00:09:03,280 checkpoints, so it's not just once a year, but giving yourself 174 00:09:03,280 --> 00:09:05,360 many opportunities to start anew. 175 00:09:05,360 --> 00:09:07,080 I think that's a really beautiful thing. 176 00:09:07,480 --> 00:09:10,120 Yeah. And I think like, maybe this is 177 00:09:10,120 --> 00:09:13,640 sort of a controversial take or like a hot take or something, 178 00:09:13,640 --> 00:09:17,280 but I think starting over and like, or more so the concept of 179 00:09:17,280 --> 00:09:19,560 reinventing yourself is really fun. 180 00:09:19,560 --> 00:09:24,240 And like, what a gift, what like a special, like what an 181 00:09:24,240 --> 00:09:27,000 opportunity we have that we can sort of continually reinvent 182 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:29,600 ourselves all the time. I think that's something that I 183 00:09:29,600 --> 00:09:35,520 didn't really realize until I I didn't really like realize the 184 00:09:35,520 --> 00:09:39,720 power of until recently. Yeah, because change is scary, I 185 00:09:39,760 --> 00:09:42,000 think. Yeah, most people 186 00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:46,480 psychologically and myself included, do not want change. 187 00:09:46,720 --> 00:09:51,160 Like we're very as humans very adverse to change, right? 188 00:09:51,160 --> 00:09:52,840 Like we don't want change averse. 189 00:09:53,480 --> 00:09:55,320 Did I say the right adverse averse? 190 00:09:55,320 --> 00:09:58,680 Averse. We're very change averse, so if 191 00:09:58,680 --> 00:10:01,240 it does happen and it's forced upon us, it can be very 192 00:10:01,240 --> 00:10:03,960 uncomfortable, but it can also lead to very beautiful things if 193 00:10:03,960 --> 00:10:06,880 you take it in stride. And you also have these 194 00:10:06,880 --> 00:10:10,360 frameworks that we're talking about to really put in the right 195 00:10:10,360 --> 00:10:12,720 frame, like frameworks in place so you can be successful. 196 00:10:12,880 --> 00:10:16,440 Yeah, well, and you know how like people always say, oh, it's 197 00:10:16,440 --> 00:10:19,680 not that I feel scared, it's not that I feel nervous, it's that I 198 00:10:19,680 --> 00:10:23,280 actually feel excited, you know? That's just a mindset shift. 199 00:10:23,720 --> 00:10:26,480 So there are a couple of these things that you can do, starting 200 00:10:26,480 --> 00:10:29,200 with James Clear's Atomic Habits, and we're going to get 201 00:10:29,200 --> 00:10:32,880 into the next topic, which is vulnerability with Brené Brown. 202 00:10:34,160 --> 00:10:38,320 I've already been pretty vulnerable actually. 203 00:10:38,320 --> 00:10:42,640 Before we move on, let's do our mini exercise, which is pick one 204 00:10:42,640 --> 00:10:46,320 goal that you have for yourself and then break it down into a 205 00:10:46,320 --> 00:10:50,520 bunch of different tiny steps or like very small habits and then 206 00:10:50,520 --> 00:10:54,400 figure out a way to make it like James Clear says obvious, 207 00:10:54,560 --> 00:10:58,080 attractive, easy and satisfying and then write it down. 208 00:10:58,280 --> 00:11:01,360 Yes, and we'd love to hear from you if you can share with us in 209 00:11:01,360 --> 00:11:04,440 the comments what your goal is and how you're going to try and 210 00:11:04,440 --> 00:11:07,080 break it down. We read every single comment and 211 00:11:07,080 --> 00:11:08,880 we'll try to reply as many as we can. 212 00:11:09,480 --> 00:11:11,840 Yeah, because we want to be on this journey together with you. 213 00:11:11,920 --> 00:11:15,320 And what we've seen from research from Duke University is 214 00:11:15,320 --> 00:11:19,720 that actually 45%, so literally almost half of all of your daily 215 00:11:19,720 --> 00:11:22,440 actions are habitual. And so let's build the right 216 00:11:22,440 --> 00:11:25,160 habits together. And up next, we're going to talk 217 00:11:25,160 --> 00:11:27,520 about how to harness vulnerability through Brene 218 00:11:27,560 --> 00:11:30,680 Brown's research. OK, let's start off with a stat, 219 00:11:30,680 --> 00:11:34,280 which is that 84% of people admitted that they don't even 220 00:11:34,280 --> 00:11:38,000 tell their very closest friends about major life changes because 221 00:11:38,080 --> 00:11:41,160 as they fear judgement. But what Brené Brown has found 222 00:11:41,160 --> 00:11:44,160 in her research is that vulnerability between, 223 00:11:44,160 --> 00:11:46,880 especially between friends is what actually strengthens 224 00:11:46,880 --> 00:11:49,600 connections. OK, Cherie, maybe you can tell 225 00:11:49,600 --> 00:11:51,120 us a little bit more about this framework. 226 00:11:51,240 --> 00:11:54,000 So I think the first thing to note is that it takes a ton of 227 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:57,040 courage to be vulnerable. It's like a super scary thing to 228 00:11:57,040 --> 00:11:59,640 open up. But what people don't realize is 229 00:11:59,640 --> 00:12:02,800 that it can also open up a lot of opportunities as well. 230 00:12:03,040 --> 00:12:05,480 So the first thing is that if you share what you're going 231 00:12:05,480 --> 00:12:07,800 through with people, especially if you share like a new habit 232 00:12:07,800 --> 00:12:11,560 you want to build, it can create a lot of momentum for social 233 00:12:11,560 --> 00:12:13,240 accountability. So you don't have to do it 234 00:12:13,240 --> 00:12:16,120 alone. For example, if I want to get 235 00:12:16,120 --> 00:12:19,720 healthy for this year and go to the gym, I can share that goal. 236 00:12:19,720 --> 00:12:21,520 They can be my social accountability buddy in that 237 00:12:21,520 --> 00:12:23,360 way. And another way can open up 238 00:12:23,360 --> 00:12:25,680 opportunities is that if you bring vulnerability into your 239 00:12:25,680 --> 00:12:28,040 life. This is 1 very specific example 240 00:12:28,040 --> 00:12:31,040 that I've seen is that with recent layoffs that have been 241 00:12:31,040 --> 00:12:35,280 going on, people have come on to LinkedIn to post and to share 242 00:12:35,440 --> 00:12:38,920 that they've lost their job, which is a really scary thing to 243 00:12:38,920 --> 00:12:40,320 share. And honestly, I don't know if I 244 00:12:40,320 --> 00:12:44,840 would be able to do that because I feel a lot of nervousness and 245 00:12:44,840 --> 00:12:48,280 shame around that, which I don't think other people who are 246 00:12:48,280 --> 00:12:50,440 reading it feel they feel more empathy. 247 00:12:50,760 --> 00:12:53,560 But if you post about that and share more about your life in a 248 00:12:53,560 --> 00:12:57,040 vulnerable way, I've also seen people get job opportunities 249 00:12:57,040 --> 00:12:58,600 because they've shared about their layoff. 250 00:12:58,840 --> 00:13:00,840 Yeah, exactly. I love that you bring that up 251 00:13:00,840 --> 00:13:04,360 because shame versus empathy is one of those really main 252 00:13:04,360 --> 00:13:07,400 constructs in Brene Brown's book Daring Greatly. 253 00:13:07,560 --> 00:13:11,440 And when you admit that you're unsure or that you need help, 254 00:13:11,480 --> 00:13:14,480 you're really like inviting people in to support you. 255 00:13:15,480 --> 00:13:18,600 I think another example that I can think of for ourselves is 256 00:13:18,600 --> 00:13:21,320 just starting on this new venture of Tiger Sisters. 257 00:13:21,680 --> 00:13:25,960 Like that's something that I, I and you have been very, very 258 00:13:25,960 --> 00:13:28,920 open about to everyone from the very beginning, which is that 259 00:13:29,080 --> 00:13:32,280 we're starting this new venture. It's based around a podcast. 260 00:13:32,280 --> 00:13:34,800 It's content to commerce. These are all things that we 261 00:13:34,800 --> 00:13:37,760 have never done. We've never like actually worked 262 00:13:37,760 --> 00:13:40,840 in media before either of us. We've always worked in tech or 263 00:13:40,840 --> 00:13:43,200 finance. And so like I've gone into a lot 264 00:13:43,240 --> 00:13:47,920 of conversations being like, hey, I don't know anything 265 00:13:47,920 --> 00:13:50,000 really or like, I don't even know what I know. 266 00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:52,240 Like I would love to, to learn from you. 267 00:13:52,360 --> 00:13:55,320 And I think that that has been really helpful for us because 268 00:13:55,320 --> 00:13:58,160 we're coming at it from a position of or from a 269 00:13:58,160 --> 00:14:01,200 perspective of being like we're open to learning. 270 00:14:01,280 --> 00:14:04,280 And the first part of that is being like, hey, we admit to not 271 00:14:04,280 --> 00:14:07,240 knowing things. Like we're not experts by any 272 00:14:07,240 --> 00:14:09,480 means. And I think people might view 273 00:14:09,480 --> 00:14:13,960 that as a weakness, but I also view that, like we said before, 274 00:14:13,960 --> 00:14:18,960 as an invitation for help and maybe sharing your weaknesses 275 00:14:19,120 --> 00:14:21,080 could be a strength as well in that way. 276 00:14:21,240 --> 00:14:24,400 If you feel hesitant about sharing your like quote, UN 277 00:14:24,400 --> 00:14:27,480 quote weakness or like being vulnerable in that way, I guess 278 00:14:27,480 --> 00:14:30,680 one way I don't even actively think about it this way, but I 279 00:14:30,680 --> 00:14:34,680 think it's just like inherent to my approach to it is that I'm 280 00:14:34,680 --> 00:14:39,360 like, well, I am not an expert in this area, but I know I'm an 281 00:14:39,360 --> 00:14:41,680 expert in many other areas, right? 282 00:14:41,680 --> 00:14:46,160 Like I believe in my own ability and I know I'm smart and I know 283 00:14:46,520 --> 00:14:48,320 I can like learn. I just have a lot of self 284 00:14:48,320 --> 00:14:51,200 belief, but I just have no experience in this area. 285 00:14:51,280 --> 00:14:54,640 So like there's nothing wrong with being unexperienced, you 286 00:14:54,640 --> 00:14:57,240 know? So maybe that's like a kind of 287 00:14:57,240 --> 00:15:01,760 mindset that you can take on if you want to kind of reveal your 288 00:15:01,760 --> 00:15:06,160 vulnerability to people to be like, yeah, like I am not an 289 00:15:06,160 --> 00:15:08,280 expert in this area. I'm an expert in other areas. 290 00:15:09,440 --> 00:15:12,280 It's just it's good to it's. Like when a recruiter asks you 291 00:15:12,280 --> 00:15:14,680 what your greatest weakness is and you're like, my greatest 292 00:15:14,680 --> 00:15:16,240 weakness is that I can learn anything. 293 00:15:16,960 --> 00:15:19,920 My greatest weakness is I don't know everything but I can learn 294 00:15:19,920 --> 00:15:22,920 anything. Is that what I sound like? 295 00:15:23,240 --> 00:15:24,840 It's just. Funny, I mean, but it and I 296 00:15:24,840 --> 00:15:28,280 think it's just very naturally how you feel and a very positive 297 00:15:28,280 --> 00:15:30,560 outlook because you have a lot of self belief. 298 00:15:30,720 --> 00:15:32,880 My greatest weakness is I have too much self. 299 00:15:35,120 --> 00:15:37,600 You know, it's like when you're trying to make a weakness sound 300 00:15:37,600 --> 00:15:40,040 like a strength in an interview. No, that's when you're always 301 00:15:40,040 --> 00:15:42,600 like, my greatest weakness is that I'm a perfectionist. 302 00:15:43,560 --> 00:15:45,960 Don't say that if you're doing an interview, do not say that 303 00:15:45,960 --> 00:15:47,480 because recruiters will see right through it. 304 00:15:47,880 --> 00:15:50,000 Yeah. And now that I'm older, I'm 305 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:51,600 like, wow, that really is a weakness. 306 00:15:52,680 --> 00:15:55,440 Actually, it's come. It's come around full circle. 307 00:15:55,440 --> 00:15:56,880 Maybe you can say that again now. 308 00:15:57,320 --> 00:15:58,560 Maybe people should say that again now. 309 00:15:58,560 --> 00:16:00,400 I mean that. Actually is my weakness. 310 00:16:00,400 --> 00:16:04,560 I'm not even, I'm not even bullshitting, you know, that's 311 00:16:04,560 --> 00:16:05,520 my weakness. I talked. 312 00:16:05,520 --> 00:16:06,520 About it before. It is. 313 00:16:06,680 --> 00:16:09,440 It takes me like 10 times longer to write an e-mail than Cherie. 314 00:16:09,960 --> 00:16:12,440 Cherie's like, hey, can you do this? 315 00:16:13,040 --> 00:16:15,280 Bye. Yeah, my emails are very short 316 00:16:15,280 --> 00:16:18,040 and I don't spend more than like if it's a really important one, 317 00:16:18,040 --> 00:16:20,640 I'll spend a lot of time, but if it's like one, I'm just like, it 318 00:16:20,640 --> 00:16:23,080 could be a few sentences and then you sign off and you don't 319 00:16:23,080 --> 00:16:25,760 think about it again. Good morning to you today. 320 00:16:25,760 --> 00:16:29,400 She writes like a Shakespearean. Sonnet that she reads 15 times 321 00:16:29,400 --> 00:16:31,920 over and I'm like, girl, just send the e-mail out. 322 00:16:31,920 --> 00:16:34,080 Just send it it. It's not it's not that deep. 323 00:16:34,080 --> 00:16:35,880 I'm like top. Of the morn, yeah. 324 00:16:38,280 --> 00:16:41,560 We digress, We digress. OK, we do have a mini exercise 325 00:16:41,560 --> 00:16:44,880 for you for this section that we'd love to share. 326 00:16:45,000 --> 00:16:50,080 So if you can think of 1 vulnerable moment, we would love 327 00:16:50,080 --> 00:16:52,280 for you guys to share that with a trusted friend. 328 00:16:52,520 --> 00:16:56,000 We have studies that show that 90% of people who opened up to 329 00:16:56,000 --> 00:16:59,360 others feel less lonely, but most importantly, they feel even 330 00:16:59,360 --> 00:17:02,400 more motivated to move forward because they've shared something 331 00:17:02,400 --> 00:17:04,720 with their friend and they have more social accountability in 332 00:17:04,720 --> 00:17:06,480 that way. After you've shared with your 333 00:17:06,480 --> 00:17:09,200 friend, observe how this impacts your mindset. 334 00:17:09,640 --> 00:17:14,119 And tell us in the comments, Harvard Business Review actually 335 00:17:14,119 --> 00:17:18,640 found that leaders who practice vulnerability, such as admitting 336 00:17:18,640 --> 00:17:23,839 to a mistake or asking for feedback are 20% more likely to 337 00:17:23,960 --> 00:17:27,760 foster high performing teams. So like however that you know is 338 00:17:27,760 --> 00:17:29,720 defined, they did this whole study about it. 339 00:17:29,720 --> 00:17:34,240 So it's not just in your like personal life where it's, it's 340 00:17:35,160 --> 00:17:39,520 fruitful and actually effective to practice vulnerability. 341 00:17:39,920 --> 00:17:43,120 It's also can be applied in your career and your work life 342 00:17:43,320 --> 00:17:45,760 strategically. OK, we're going to take a really 343 00:17:45,760 --> 00:17:47,680 quick break. And then when we return, we move 344 00:17:47,680 --> 00:17:50,640 on to Esther Perel's idea of rewriting your story. 345 00:17:51,520 --> 00:17:54,040 Hey friends, it's Sheree and Jean from Tiger Sisters. 346 00:17:54,240 --> 00:17:57,320 We need your help. We just dropped our very first 347 00:17:57,320 --> 00:18:00,400 audience survey and it's actually really important to us. 348 00:18:00,520 --> 00:18:02,160 Why? Because we want to create the 349 00:18:02,160 --> 00:18:05,440 best content for you and learning more about you helps us 350 00:18:05,440 --> 00:18:07,360 to do that. It takes less than 5 minutes to 351 00:18:07,360 --> 00:18:10,200 fill out and as a thank you, we're giving away $100.00 gift 352 00:18:10,200 --> 00:18:12,720 card at the end of the season to 1 listener who fills out the 353 00:18:12,720 --> 00:18:14,320 survey. The link is in the video 354 00:18:14,320 --> 00:18:17,080 description, please fill it out. Thank you for being a part of 355 00:18:17,080 --> 00:18:19,440 this with us. Tiger Sisters is just getting 356 00:18:19,440 --> 00:18:21,880 started. I'm really excited to talk about 357 00:18:21,880 --> 00:18:25,040 this because I think reinvention should be part of everyone's 358 00:18:25,040 --> 00:18:26,840 life. And we talked a little bit about 359 00:18:26,840 --> 00:18:29,800 this before, but if you think about the major celebrities out 360 00:18:29,800 --> 00:18:35,520 there like Lady Gaga, Taylor Swift, Leonardo DiCaprio, I 361 00:18:35,520 --> 00:18:40,240 think all of these. Not the Leonardo DiCaprio Miley. 362 00:18:40,240 --> 00:18:41,680 Cyrus. Miley Cyrus. 363 00:18:41,720 --> 00:18:42,960 You don't like Leonardo DiCaprio? 364 00:18:43,000 --> 00:18:44,120 I was. Just I don't know where you're 365 00:18:44,120 --> 00:18:46,480 going, Leonardo DiCaprio. I feel like he constantly 366 00:18:46,480 --> 00:18:49,240 reinvents himself in the roles that he takes. 367 00:18:49,240 --> 00:18:51,800 Oh, I thought you were like first he's someone who dated a 368 00:18:51,800 --> 00:18:57,080 27 year old, then he's someone who dated A20. 4 year old, no, I 369 00:18:57,080 --> 00:18:58,400 mean, and Christian Bale, I don't know. 370 00:18:58,400 --> 00:19:01,840 I just like, feel like when you look at celebrities and the 371 00:19:01,840 --> 00:19:06,760 longevity of their careers, the ones that have staying power are 372 00:19:06,760 --> 00:19:09,520 the people who can reinvent themselves constantly. 373 00:19:10,760 --> 00:19:12,680 Like Miley Cyrus. Like Miley Cyrus. 374 00:19:12,680 --> 00:19:14,200 Oh, I love her. Go girl, go girl. 375 00:19:14,240 --> 00:19:16,920 She's incredible. Yeah, I mean, if Leonardo 376 00:19:16,920 --> 00:19:18,960 DiCaprio were to reinvent himself and date someone a 377 00:19:18,960 --> 00:19:21,240 little bit older, I. Think that might also. 378 00:19:21,960 --> 00:19:26,680 Have some staying power too in the media, but alas. 379 00:19:26,880 --> 00:19:29,920 But I think this is just so fun because we can talk about 380 00:19:29,920 --> 00:19:32,720 reinventing ourselves at any point in our lives. 381 00:19:33,680 --> 00:19:37,600 And the concept from Esther Perel is not just reinventing 382 00:19:37,600 --> 00:19:41,200 yourself, but it's specifically the idea of rewriting your 383 00:19:41,200 --> 00:19:43,280 story, right? Rewriting your narrative. 384 00:19:44,520 --> 00:19:47,720 In Esther Perel's book Mating in Captivity, she specifically 385 00:19:47,720 --> 00:19:52,640 talks about this concept in the sort of framework of romantic 386 00:19:52,640 --> 00:19:55,640 relationships. So basically, she says, you 387 00:19:55,640 --> 00:19:58,640 know, you can rewrite your story because if you're not the same 388 00:19:58,640 --> 00:20:01,800 person now that you were in your 20s, why do you have to be the 389 00:20:01,800 --> 00:20:06,160 same person romantically? Often times we forget. 390 00:20:06,160 --> 00:20:10,600 I forget that we outgrow different patterns from earlier 391 00:20:10,600 --> 00:20:12,160 in our lives. And that could be dating, that 392 00:20:12,160 --> 00:20:15,280 could be friendship and outgrowing relationships and 393 00:20:15,280 --> 00:20:17,480 friendships. That's very much a thing that I 394 00:20:17,480 --> 00:20:20,800 have to keep top of mind because it can feel super painful when 395 00:20:20,800 --> 00:20:23,240 it happens. But that's part of growth in it 396 00:20:23,240 --> 00:20:26,040 of itself. And in her book, Esther Perel 397 00:20:26,040 --> 00:20:29,840 says that you can reframe your identity as someone who fails in 398 00:20:29,840 --> 00:20:34,120 relationships or friendships to someone who learns from past 399 00:20:34,120 --> 00:20:37,440 mistakes and actively builds healthier dynamics. 400 00:20:37,480 --> 00:20:40,640 And I feel like this mindset shift is game changing because 401 00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:44,320 honestly, relationships fail because you're dating. 402 00:20:44,720 --> 00:20:47,840 But like at the end game, you're only supposed to marry one 403 00:20:47,840 --> 00:20:49,040 person. You know what I mean? 404 00:20:49,040 --> 00:20:53,400 So like, they're supposed to fail up until you find the 1. 405 00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:56,400 So I think that's like just a reframe of it, all right? 406 00:20:56,600 --> 00:20:58,720 Like they're meant to. You're supposed to date many, 407 00:20:58,720 --> 00:21:01,120 many people. So you're saying we should 408 00:21:01,120 --> 00:21:04,480 romantically fail upwards? Yes, exactly. 409 00:21:05,120 --> 00:21:09,400 Take a page out of the book of every man you've ever worked. 410 00:21:09,720 --> 00:21:13,120 With Oh my God. And fail upwards romantically. 411 00:21:13,120 --> 00:21:18,560 Yeah, I mean, I I think that I realized this or maybe I like 412 00:21:18,560 --> 00:21:23,520 internalized this very recently. Like not, you're not supposed to 413 00:21:23,520 --> 00:21:26,080 keep all your relationships right? 414 00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:28,320 You can only keep one. At the end, they're all supposed 415 00:21:28,320 --> 00:21:31,480 to fail except for one. Yeah, and this actually reminded 416 00:21:31,480 --> 00:21:36,040 me of the James Clear framework, because she's saying, like, 417 00:21:36,040 --> 00:21:38,640 reframe yourself as, you know, someone who learns from 418 00:21:38,640 --> 00:21:40,640 relationships and sets up new, healthier ones. 419 00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:43,080 That's the same idea of taking on the identity. 420 00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:46,720 Yeah, internalizing. I am someone who learns from 421 00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:49,760 past relationships and forms healthier ones. 422 00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:53,040 Exactly. Wow, putting together all the. 423 00:21:53,040 --> 00:21:55,360 Frameworks live. We're doing. 424 00:21:55,360 --> 00:21:56,760 It live. You're here with us. 425 00:21:56,920 --> 00:22:00,120 You're doing it live. OK, I feel like one example I 426 00:22:00,120 --> 00:22:04,080 could sort of uniquely give is that I've mentioned before I 427 00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:07,800 ended an 8 year long relationship and engagement this 428 00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:11,440 past year when I was 35. So I guess like one way you 429 00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:14,480 could look at yourself is to be like, Oh my God, like I'm 430 00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:19,760 someone who breaks engagements and that's like a failed, like 431 00:22:19,760 --> 00:22:22,440 fails and only broke. 1 So I feel like if you've broken 432 00:22:22,440 --> 00:22:27,000 multiple, a la Runaway Bride, you might take that identity. 433 00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:29,240 Don't be so hard on yourself. Or like you could be like, you 434 00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:30,880 know, you could think of yourself. 435 00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:33,560 One could think of themselves as like, oh, I'm someone who fails 436 00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:36,120 in relationships. Or maybe you can think of 437 00:22:36,120 --> 00:22:38,440 yourself. By you, I mean me. 438 00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:44,720 You can think of yourself as like, wow, I'm someone who is 439 00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:51,640 brave enough and you know, I guess sure enough of herself to 440 00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:57,680 end A8 year long relationship, even when it seems like from the 441 00:22:57,680 --> 00:23:01,360 outside seems to be perfect on paper, seems to be so great and 442 00:23:01,360 --> 00:23:03,600 like you've already invested so much into it. 443 00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:08,800 I'm someone who's brave enough to step away from that in search 444 00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:11,920 of something that is actually better for me, like when this is 445 00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:14,240 actually something that no longer works. 446 00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:17,680 It takes a lot of courage. It takes a lot of courage. 447 00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:20,000 You, you are someone who is courageous. 448 00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:21,480 That's a very courageous thing to do. 449 00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:23,800 Yeah, yeah. I just came up with that just 450 00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:25,320 now, guys. I was not. 451 00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:28,040 I just came up with that just now. 452 00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:32,520 But yeah, I feel. That do you feel that in your 453 00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:34,200 bones or is it hard to internalize that? 454 00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:37,040 I mean, it's not something honestly, like it's not 455 00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:38,640 something that I've ever said out loud. 456 00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:42,120 Like, this is the first time I've ever really said that out 457 00:23:42,120 --> 00:23:44,880 loud. But it is something that other 458 00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:48,480 people have said to me. Like when I have told people, 459 00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:51,680 you know, oh, yeah, like, I broke my engagement. 460 00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:53,440 Like, we were together for eight years, blah, blah, blah. 461 00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:57,040 They're like, wow, like you are are so brave, like you're so 462 00:23:57,040 --> 00:23:59,360 courageous and not in a way. Where they're like you're so 463 00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:02,480 you're. So brave for posting. 464 00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:06,560 That not me. Without makeup, you're so brave. 465 00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:10,200 You're so brave for wearing that bathing suit, that outfit. 466 00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:12,680 I could never wear that, but you're so brave. 467 00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:15,160 But no, I like when people say it to me. 468 00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:19,440 Like I can tell that they really mean it because it is something 469 00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:23,280 that is so scary. Like it's so it's, it's kind of 470 00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:26,280 incomprehensible. And even to myself itself, like 471 00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:30,040 even to me two years ago, three years ago, like a year and a 472 00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:32,400 half ago, it would have been incomprehensible. 473 00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:35,920 But like we said earlier, that was a different person. 474 00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:38,760 Like that's that was you were a different person. 475 00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:41,840 I was a different person. That was like the old me. 476 00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:45,080 Now this is the new me. I'm reinvented, bitches. 477 00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:53,000 What you gonna say? About what you gonna do about 478 00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:54,360 it? What you gonna do? 479 00:24:54,360 --> 00:24:59,280 About that, yeah. This is your reinvention era in 480 00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:00,840 so many ways. Yeah. 481 00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:03,640 And it's you guys are a part of it. 482 00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:05,080 It's live. It's happening. 483 00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:08,720 I think an interesting like exercise people could do. 484 00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:10,480 This is not the official mini exercise. 485 00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:13,560 This is the side mini exercise, side quest side quest I just 486 00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:15,160 came up with. If you guys are inspired. 487 00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:18,720 To do so, is that like maybe you can sort of go through that same 488 00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:21,680 exercise I just did? And if there's something that 489 00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:25,880 you're still, I guess, like processing or like a part of you 490 00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:31,000 that is starting over is to like think of what other people say 491 00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:34,440 to you when you tell them about your change or your like 492 00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:36,120 reinvention or your new narrative. 493 00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:39,840 And then start to, like, say, like, say that out loud about 494 00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:42,840 yourself for the first time. Like, I just did it. 495 00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:46,040 It's kind of wild. But I've never said that about 496 00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:49,360 myself to be like, yeah. And I'm really courageous and 497 00:25:49,360 --> 00:25:52,800 brave for choosing to do what I did as opposed to, you know, 498 00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:56,960 staying in a relationship that seemed, that seemed perfect in 499 00:25:56,960 --> 00:25:59,880 so many ways. It's weird. 500 00:25:59,880 --> 00:26:03,000 It's weird to like, I think it's good though to like say it out 501 00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:08,280 loud and like take on the identity and like experience how 502 00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:12,680 other people are viewing you. Yeah, because in some ways, I 503 00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:16,080 feel like people can see you more clearly than you can see 504 00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:18,440 yourself. Not the situation, but just like 505 00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:22,560 your perception of yourself. And people are able to, and at 506 00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:25,600 least the ones who are able to share that with you that you 507 00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:28,480 really respect or like, wait, I respect you and you respect me 508 00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:30,120 now. And like, wait, now I can 509 00:26:30,120 --> 00:26:32,760 understand what you see. It's a crazy thing. 510 00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:36,040 Yeah, that's the off the books mini exercises. 511 00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:40,240 Bonus mini exercises. Great. 512 00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:44,200 We'll give that to you for free. So the official exercise, if 513 00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:47,680 you'd like to try another one, is to write down the old story 514 00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:52,360 that no longer serves you, put it down on paper, and rewrite it 515 00:26:52,360 --> 00:26:54,800 in a way that reflects your growth and your future 516 00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:57,520 aspirations. What is your new story, your new 517 00:26:57,520 --> 00:26:59,440 narrative that you're going to tell yourself? 518 00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:03,800 Share that story with a friend or with us in the comments if 519 00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:07,960 you're open to getting feedback and having Jean and I read that. 520 00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:10,760 So yeah, we'd love to see what you guys come up with. 521 00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:14,520 OK, so just to recap, in today's episode, we covered James 522 00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:17,720 Clear's atomic habits, Brene Brown's concepts of 523 00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:21,760 vulnerability, and Esther Perrell's ideas around rewriting 524 00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:24,680 your narrative. And I think putting the three 525 00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:27,280 together, this is like the perfect toolkit for starting 526 00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:30,800 over, whether you're 2936 or any age. 527 00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:34,000 Thank you guys so much for tuning in for this episode. 528 00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:37,000 Please remember to like, comment and subscribe. 529 00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:40,040 It is super important if you follow and subscribe us because 530 00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:43,000 then you'll get notified when our next episode drops. 531 00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:45,840 Yeah, and I also really want to hear what you guys have to say 532 00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:49,640 in the comments, especially because I spoke so much about my 533 00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:52,320 own experience this time. So like, I want to hear you guys 534 00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:53,880 talking. About she's being vulnerable. 535 00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:57,040 If you like that jeans being vulnerable and opening up about 536 00:27:57,080 --> 00:28:00,600 her life and I'm opening up about mine, please give her some 537 00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:02,960 support in the comments. We read every. 538 00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:05,840 Single part of our community and want to know you guys are out 539 00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:07,600 there. And also the conversations I 540 00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:10,400 think are really rich and a lot of other people are reading 541 00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:13,640 other comments as well and feeling very encouraged by your 542 00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:15,720 story. And also make sure to sign up 543 00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:18,760 for our newsletter, which is LinkedIn the description and 544 00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:22,000 also follow us on Instagram at Tiger Sisters Podcast. 545 00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:24,480 Thanks guys. See you next time. 546 00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:25,320 Bye.