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OK, I'd like to welcome you all back to the Cricket Fixes
podcast with a very special guest today.
Not only is she a friend of mine, but she is my collaborator
on the 0 for Life, The Science meets Soul method to alcohol
freedom. Doctor Jennifer Rossi, welcome
to the show. Thanks Cricket.
I want to 1st like start with how we met because I just think
it's really fucking cool when we talk about following the bread
crumbs, this is this is one of them.
So why don't you? I'll let you speak for how we
met. We met on social media, I was
watching some stuff that you were posting and something about
it. I was like I want to be friends
with her. So I literally DM D you I think
and said hey we should be friends like let's hang out.
I want to I want to call it No. She slid into my DM I.
Slid into your DM that's right with my dog because then we met
a good dog dog park and. Our.
About one year old dogs are best muse they are.
So it was inevitable. It was written in the stars.
We were, we were meant to do that.
And then which I so appreciated, I've really appreciated getting
to know you and your journey. And now you're, you're creating
your own practice where you're helping women with their
longevity and helping them through perimenopause and
menopause and how to optimize their life.
And I'm like, yes, I love it that we need, we need you.
Thank you. So, so talk a little bit about
your journey, 'cause you were an ER physician.
So talk about your journey kind of like into that and then
through it and what you're doing today.
Yeah. So my journey started.
I'm allopathically trained, which just means I went to what
you would consider a very traditional medical school, and
from there did emergency medicine residency.
And so I started working in the emergency room kind of late 20s
and as you can imagine, have seen a lot, a lot of things that
people have gone through in their life, a lot of kind of how
society has affected people. And kind of parallel to that, as
I finished residency, I started to dig into my own health and
Wellness journey. And so like at age 30, I joined
a CrossFit gym. And that was really
transformative for me in terms of all of a sudden starting to
learn about fitness and nutrition and the impact of
lifestyle on the human body. So I was kind of like learning
all of this while also working in the hospital.
And then over time just realized that I wanted to kind of help
people not be in the ER and help people not wind up with hip
fractures when they're 70 when really trying to help them
prevent that starts decades earlier.
And so that was a lot of, and I think too, I, you know, there's
a part of me that it was like, OK, we can definitely help
people in the moment here, but it's a lot of kind of putting
band aids on things. And what are we kind of doing to
help support people more holistically before they kind of
get into that state of trouble? Yeah.
And getting to the root of it, right?
Because that's what I, I really love about your work is looking
at the root of it and lifestyle changes.
And that's really what I think is so beautiful about this
collaboration as we're really speaking to, you know, you, I
love the name that we came up with for the program, the
Science meets Soul Method. Because I like, if it weren't
for you, we wouldn't have created my dream program, that
dream program that I would have wanted when I was giving up
alcohol, right? It's understanding what's
happening in the brain. It's understanding what's
happening in in the body. And, and I think those like
logical, like health, like science based understanding not
only reduces shame, but it's a really big motivator for living
our best lives, right? And so I love that you bring
that. Thank you.
Yeah. And I think when, you know,
speaking to alcohol specifically, it's like,
obviously I've seen it have a tremendous impact on so many
lives in the emergency department.
But I think even just out and about people I don't think have
a full understanding of all of the different impacts it has on
the human body. And pretty much like every
single organ system that you can have.
Yeah, yeah, I'm excited to be able to.
Obviously, like every single week in this program, there's
specific information and teaching on effects of alcohol.
There's a lot. Yeah, there's a lot, but it's
the reason is, is because, you know, I think you can look at
the impact alcohol can have on relationships and look at that
aspect of things. But there is this piece that it
truly is affecting things. I mean, it's a Class 1
carcinogen. It has direct effects on your
gut health. Your liver, it in any amount is
linked to dementia. Yeah, and that's what's so
important is bringing this information to light.
And I do. I'm going to link to this too
'cause I do want to touch on this like there is a big shift
culturally around alcohol use. You know, we've been seeing the
trends, millennials, Gen. Z really changing things, but
the, the alcohol industry is starting to fight back, right?
They're seeing the decline in alcohol use as more of this
information comes to light. And, and so it's, it's, it's all
the health reasons, right? The, the lies that we've been
told about 01 glass a day is really good for you.
It's not, it's not, it's not safe and healthy in any amount.
It is a poison. And so we're going to be talking
a lot about that, but we're also going to be talking about the
neuro, the the neurotransmitters that get disrupted.
Like how it how it completely takes your dopamine out of
balance. Like then you can't, you know,
regulate your own. It's like, whoa, like if I had
known these things sooner, it would have been really powerful.
Beyond the motivation to like clean up my own life and change
my own relationship with alcohol, which by the way, we
call it 0 for life, 'cause I had to and wanted to break up with
alcohol for good, 'cause I was like, no, just like a toxic
relationship. You don't get space in my life
now alcohol doesn't either. So we'll get into more of that,
but you know, what are like, I, I want to pepper this, this
interview with some real information about what is
happening. Why do we crave alcohol?
Like from just from a biological perspective?
So a lot of it has to do with, just like you mentioned,
dopamine cycles. So when we have a drink, it is
altering specific neurotransmitters in our brain.
It's affecting our GABA production.
GABA is a inhibitory neurotransmitter.
So kind of that's why you get that mellow feeling.
It also feeds into your your dopamine system.
So you get kind of that reward kick.
And that's why when you have one drink, then all of a sudden your
body starts to crave another one, whether or not you've had
wouldn't quote too much or not. And it actually will reset how
your brain then produces your neurotransmitters.
So, you know, as you drink alcohol more consistently, your
body stops making as much of that an inhibitory, that mellow
type of neurotransmitter. So your, your Physiology like
your body just wants that external source back to get back
to baseline. And so you're almost kind of
chasing your tail in this. So it's people, the cravings are
not just this psychological piece of, oh, it's fun for me to
go out with friends and have a glass of wine and there's
definitely that piece to it. But physically your body
actually starts to need the alcohol to start to feel normal.
And you don't have to be a super big drinker to get into that
state. I think that's one of the kind
of myths that people can kind of trap themselves into is thinking
that oh, well, I'm not drinking that much.
It doesn't matter. It's it's not affecting my brain
as much. But really it's like.
It is. It is, yeah.
I so appreciate you saying that. So I'm, I'm going to use this as
a good segue to kind of get into my own story because I think
it's really important that we end the shame around alcohol use
and abuse, right? It's, we have a dysregulated
nervous system and we're craving something that is going to give
us that little dopamine hit, take the edge off whatever it
is. And we've, we've really never
learned the ways to handle it. So my, my alcohol use and abuse
started when I was 13 years old. So I share pretty regularly that
at the age of 6 months, my mom was diagnosed bipolar 1.
So all I knew was like chaos and rage and severe mental illness.
And around 13, my dad actually worked for Miller Brewing.
So he would get free beer. I would help him haul it into
the house. And I started, I started
stealing alcohol and I was on my own a lot because my mom would
be in the hospital. I would be alone.
I would, I mean literally abandoned, not intentionally,
not abusively, but I, I was, I was alone.
And so alcohol became my trusted friend like that way to, to
support me. And then I would go through
these phases of not drinking, like even, you know, like it was
actually pretty easy for me to not not drink during the week.
Like that was a big rule in my 20s.
I can remember I was like, you can go fucking wild on the
weekend, but come Sunday, like Sunday through Thursday, I would
not like, I remember how like it was a religious thing for me.
It was, I was very like self-righteous about it.
Well, that all shifted when I moved to San Francisco when I
was working in a very high pressure job in a very
stimulating city around people. The entire culture was drink,
drink regularly, drink every day.
I just fell into that groove of people that were heavy drinkers.
And that's when the like what I would say one of the heights of
my alcohol use and abuse hit. And then it really started to
change once I got my hypnotherapy certification and I
started to understand more about the neural pathways in the brain
and these habits that we are creating and where cravings come
from and how to use the power of our mind to change those
cravings and tap into our subconscious.
So in 2015, I know I'm rambling, but this is an important part of
the story. In 2015, I started a Wellness
company because I had my nutritional therapy
certification too. And I had enough information to
know this alcohol was bad for me.
So I was going to change my relationship with it.
And in 2015, I gave up alcohol for a full year.
And I remember like how I wanted to go through every birthday,
every anniversary, every. I went through funerals, like I
went through every occasion, the good, the bad, weddings,
everything. And it was great.
And then I was like, OK, I've got this.
I've changed my relationship with alcohol.
But so that I was, I was paying attention to the neural pathway,
but not the neurotransmitter side of it, not this like
dopamine side of it, right. And so I still wasn't, I didn't
have the nervous system regulators that I needed to get
through these challenging times. And slowly, it took about two
years, but slowly I resumed alcohol.
And then I got into a very toxic relationship.
And alcohol was my survival strategy when I gave up alcohol,
which by the way, tomorrow we'll make it 2 years alcohol free.
I gave up alcohol three days before a psychedelic journey.
I did legally, I have to say I did it legally and, and with a
guided legal service center. But I, I was only able to give
it up three days before and I never drank again because it,
you know, I completely rewired my identity around alcohol.
But at the height of my drinking, I was drinking 7 to 8
drinks a day. I was literally figuring out,
OK, I've got pickleball at six, so I'm gonna have, I mean, I was
like fitting in a drink at 2:00. And then I would give myself
like a couple hours without a drink.
I would go play pickleball. I would have a drink with
friends there. And then I would drive home.
And then I would have like 6-6 or seven more drinks at home by
myself every fucking day. And I am here to say like, thank
God. Thank God nothing horrible
happened, but I certainly, I certainly did so many things
that I regret and I blacked out and more, more, more than
anything, I lost myself and my alcohol.
I lost who I was. I lost my authentic self.
I didn't know who I was. All right, I'm going to stop
rambling right now, but I thought it was really important
because because Jen brings the science and I'm just going to
bring the soul. Like I'm going to bring the the
reality of what some of you might be feeling out there is
like, who are these women to come and talk to me about?
Oh, shit. OK, yeah, she's been there.
So, so like, I think that's what's so beautiful about our
work together too. Jen is really ending the shame,
right. Like and and I wanna talk about
you don't have to like you've said this, you don't have to hit
rock bottom, but you got to see first hand what the effects of
alcohol were coming in to the ER.
So talk a little bit about that because people don't get to see
and volumes what's happening as a society with alcohol and you
have. Yeah, I mean, I think, look,
it's no secret that it is hard to live in America these days
for a lot of people and for a lot of reasons that people are
dealing with a tremendous amount of stress.
And that, and it is a way that people have to quote UN quote,
relax, take the edge off, self medicate, however you want to
cut it. And you know, and yes, I've seen
the spectrum of some patients who very, very heavy drinkers,
severe liver disease, you know, and I think that's the Super
minority though. Like it's also seeing the
effects on people's blood pressure that then LED them to
have heart attacks. It's seeing, you know, one in
five. I think it's the stat is one in
five people report binge drinking every month.
So it's not that necessarily they're having drinks every
single day, but there might be a period of time where you're
binging and during that period, unfortunately can see lots of
accidents happening. I've seen people trip on the
sidewalk and wind up with brain bleeds, you know, just, it does
run the spectrum. And then also unfortunately, it
can lead to a lot of domestic abuse, which have also seen kind
of that aspect of things or people.
And I think the other thing that I haven't kind of talked to yet
is if if you're anxious, if you're depressed, while it may
take, you know, as you start to drink, it feels good.
It actually exacerbates both of those two things.
So it's almost like pouring gasoline on anxiety or on
depression. And so that can also lead to
people getting into a state where they need to seek help
because of this, you know, either or feeling super anxious
or Yeah, for whatever reason. So, and I think you know, and
I'm just going to speak, you know, we are both in our 40s and
you know about you on your age. But yes, just like middle
midlife. You know, and just with hormone
changes, it also effects our body differently.
Like that's, you know, just I'm kind of pulling it back to my
work a little bit. But you know, as our estrogen
progesterone start to change in pre menopause and menopause, and
then that doesn't buffer A cortisol as much and then you
start to drink on top of that, it makes it worse.
So women actually wind up being even more sensitive than our
male counterparts, which is. You know why?
It's like one of the first lifestyle factors that I'll hone
in on on with patients. Who?
Are have it yeah, cuz they kind of letting it out of your life
and have huge effects on just like how much energy and
vitality and like. You're able.
To do all the rest of the things, yeah.
I am so glad that you talked about on perimenopause and
menopause and alcohol use and the impact on hormones and
inflammation. Like it's it's already
challenging enough to go through that without alcohol.
I was in like full body pain every single day until I gave up
alcohol. Like I have Hashimoto's and I
know that contributed to flare ups.
And yeah, the pain, the anxiety, like I always talk about, I, I
tend to talk more about, you know, how it impacted me
spiritually or personally or, and living out my life purpose,
which I love to talk about. But just me, like daily
functioning, like that's what you're bringing up, especially
as a middle-aged woman is like our sleep.
Sleep is king, and what a disruptor it is.
It's a lie that it prepares you for your rest.
It robs you of deep restorative sleep.
So I don't, I don't know if you want to touch on that at all,
but it is. It's all a lie.
It adds to anxiety. It makes sleep more difficult.
And a lot of this I didn't know. And had I known this, it would
have been such a motivator for me.
Yeah, it does affect sleep it so it can help you fall asleep, but
then what it does is it actually prevents you from getting that
deep restorative sleep that your body and your brain needs to
actually repair itself. And so you wake up, you, you
know, you might have slept the same amount of time, but you're
not going to wake up feeling as rested.
And it tends to also encourage those like nasty 2 AM, 3:00 AM
wake ups, where as it's kind of like wearing off.
And then it's also doing some things to your blood sugar,
which can help or not help, but it helps wake you up.
Right, right. Yeah, so lots of sleep
disturbances. Yeah, but we're told just have
one, right? Just everything in moderation.
It's such bullshit and I'm calling bullshit.
And I do want to kind of reference the, the Self magazine
article that came out about women in particular that are
choosing to be alcohol free. And this kind of like, what's
the word? I'm looking for this like lash
bat, this backlash that that comes with it or, or thinking
that we're self-righteous. You know, I, I posted, I want to
address that this too because I posted so on my social media, I
did a post about can we just like end the shame of alcohol
abuse and start talking about it?
Because I'm very open with my story.
And this woman came on and said, I'm sick and tired of hearing
about all of you alcohol abusers that have shit going on in your
life and you gave up alcohol and now you want everyone else to be
alcohol free. OK, I'm talking to you.
And it's kind of like this self magazine too.
It's like, oh, now you want, now that you figured out like you're
fucked up. Now you want everyone else to
heal their own fucked up shit. And I, I responded to her in a
very kind way. And I was like, I the invitation
is for you to like, I'm talking about alcohol abuse on this
post, period. A I'm talking about alcohol
abuse. I'm not saying that everyone
should be alcohol free because I absolutely 100% believe in
sovereignty. And I'm not a, oh, you should do
this and you shouldn't do that. I'm a, hey, let's educate you on
what's actually happening so you can make a decision for yourself
on what you want for your own life.
So I'm not judging you if you continue to drink.
That's that's your prerogative. But I, I did say to her too, I
was like, here's my invitation. I clearly call out alcohol
abuse. So if you're not abusing alcohol
and you don't identify with that, then this post isn't for
you. So why is it triggering you?
Is there a part of you that is feeling some shame and at which
I believe to be, you know, true? But I believe, like I've said
this, I stand by this. I've always said within the next
7 years alcohol will be looked at just as cigarette smoking is.
I really believe that the more that the, the research gets
spread about what's happening in the body, its impact, its
connection to cancer, right, Right.
As you're talking about dementia, like it's going to be
looked at like cigarette smoking.
I, I believe that. And then I'm like, maybe it
won't even be 7 years. It might, you know, and we're a
part of that is just getting the word out and then people get to
make choices about that for themselves.
I'm again I'm going off on a tangent.
But I think there's already data to suggest, I mean the younger
generations. Alcohol, like drinking, is way
down in kids. And they're not kids.
Excuse me, people in their 20s? These kids these days, that's
funny. Yeah.
Young adults are are adults. Yeah.
And this article, I think this is also important too.
Is this this article talks about, well, this that
generation you see an increase in vaping.
So let's let's talk about the elephant in the room is that
nobody is teaching people how to regulate their nervous system,
which is one of the 33 tools of transformation you get in our
program is learning how to regulate your nervous system,
right, Right. Well, and I was like, I don't
drink anymore. I, I never drank until I started
working in emergency medicine. Actually.
That's when I would have, you know, OK, I'm done with the
shift. I'm going to go have a glass of
wine to unwind and once I, you know, kind of share personally,
I went through a divorce recently and did a lot of
healing, nervous system work, introspection and have been
introduced to nervous system regulation and kind of burnout
recovery myself. It was like, I don't, this is
actually not the tool I need. This is actually the exact thing
I don't need to be doing. I need to be doing breath work
and walking outside in nature. And when I'm feeling this, you
know, shaking, like there's so many other different ways to get
that effect than pouring a glass of wine, which just I think
aren't hot enough. And like, I love like you're,
you're so good at teaching these.
Like I'm so excited to. I'm excited to learn more too
'cause I don't even think I know 33 tips myself.
Oh yeah, there's, there's so many things available to us.
Like that's why I call this, like when I was going through my
alcohol free journey, I was pulling from all different
places, right 'cause I really wanted that balance of what's
happening in my brain and the, and the science behind it.
But I also wanted that like that soul aspect, like I wanted an
identity shift, right? I didn't want my identity
anymore. Like my identity was wrapped
around alcohol. When I was a cigarette smoker,
my identity was wrapped around cigarette smoking.
And that break with that, you go outside with your Co workers and
it's like, well, what happens? Who am I without that, without
them, without this time to like break and come into connection,
like even community connection, which is a very big part of our
program, is an important part. That's one of the 33 tools of
how you shift your identity right Is coming into deep
vulnerable connection with other human beings to say I see you,
I'm going to validate your experience which validation
That's another one of the 33 tools of transformation being
seen and met where you are is such a de escalator as such a
soother for the nervous system. Jen and I were, we were having
one of our our meetings to talk about the program and, and
looking at things and we had the most beautiful like, hey, can we
just stop for a minute, 'cause I'm feeling dysregulated.
Can we like to remember that talk through it and just saying,
yeah, I see you, right? How did that feel for me to say,
wow, that makes sense to me, It's amazing.
How can I support you? I think I told you I was like,
I'm just feeling a little tender right now and stupid and I just
need to vocalize this. And then we kind of like worked
through what we were. Yeah.
Very. And it, yeah, it's what a.
Gift it's. Powerful to be able to say, hey,
I am not feeling kind of like fully centered or feeling right
and I don't really know what's going on, but I just need to
vocalize. I'm having this feeling and then
being able from there to work through it and it, yeah, it's
very powerful. It is, I swear to God, like at
least for me personally, and I and I'll, you know, both
actually both Jen and I will bring this to the program is I
feel like genuine validation when someone says to you that
makes sense to me, like I, it makes sense why why that would
be coming up is one of the most powerful ways to turn down the
volume on an emotion that feels uncomfortable, because being
seen can mean for many people feeling safe.
And that's what came out of my my journey.
When I call it my rebirthday. When I was exploring that with
my guide, it was she's like, you're doing it to feel safe
because you just need to feel safe.
And so that's what we're going to teach you in the program is
how to find that safety within yourself, within yourself.
And you know, we talk a lot about inner child healing too.
And sometimes I'll just go into, can I just talk to your little
girl right now? Or if it's a man I'm talking
about, is it OK if I talk to your little boy right now 'cause
I'm, I'm sensing he's the one that's feeling and thinking and
coming up right now. Would that be OK?
It seems weird at first, but holy shit, yes, I want that that
little girl to to feel heard and safe and supported and oh, that
tenderness, right. So Jen, as you're thinking about
someone who's on their journey to optimizing their life, their
health, wanting the very best, like what is your #1 tip?
If they're thinking about or looking at their relationship
with alcohol, where, how would you tell them?
Start here. Start right here.
You know, and I think when we think about habit change, a lot
of it is just awareness at first.
That's the base and I think and on complete being completely
honest with yourself about what actually is going on in your
life like and I really so it's like the first step in the
journey is not even that first step that you're taking.
It's kind of putting your code on to or realizing that you have
to make a move. You have to start walking down a
path. And I think too, sometimes
people have an inkling that a habit isn't serving them very
well. And you know, we're talking
about alcohol in this conversation, but let's be on
it. I mean, there's so many
different addictions in this world.
And you don't even have to be addicted to want to make a habit
change. I think that's the other kind of
key point I want to make here is you can just recognize that
something is not serving you and you want to eliminate it in your
life because you see your life moving into a more positive
direction if you don't bring it along with you.
And I honestly feel like that is from there.
Change happens, but it's like that deep desire for wanting
something different and better for yourself.
I love that. And that's, that's another tool
that we have in the toolbox for everyone is some really powerful
journal prompts that help you get out of your head and, and
drop into your heart to understand where am I?
What is going on? What do I want for myself?
What do I dream for myself? And being able to see, start to
see that alcohol doesn't have any function in getting you
there. In fact, it can, you can start
to see that it's actually either a distraction or, or a
roadblock, depending on, on how you're using it.
For me, it was a full stop roadblock.
So I love that awareness. It's also body awareness, right?
Like how we learn to get out of our head and start getting into
our body to see where, where does dysregulation show up and
where in our life are we like, holy cow, this is a big one,
right? Like how to create really
unbreakable boundaries where to see where we do have power to
shift some some change in our life because it is it's we're
we. Holy shit, you're right.
We are so stressed. We do not have a system speak to
this 'cause we do not have a system in the United States that
supports A regulated nervous system.
In fact, it keeps us dysregulated.
Yeah, I mean the the society that we live in as a whole is
not that up to support kind of healthy nervous systems.
And I think you have to be really careful with how you're
engaging with things and do a lot of self stewardship.
But one of the things kind of to that point is I think for a lot
of people is the social aspect of alcohol.
You know, we both live in Bend. There's a lot of breweries
around here. There's a lot of social
activities that focus on going out.
And I think it can become hard for people to say, hey, I'm not
going to have the beer when I go to the brewery because more of a
social thing, right? So it's like having being a part
of a group that together is choosing to do something
different in the social environments.
It's almost like, OK, well, I'm going to be with this group
mentality. So I think there is also
something very helpful in being a part of a group that is
choosing alcohol freedom and can help support you through moments
of like, hey, I'm going to this brewery with my friends tonight
and I'm really worried about peer pressure.
Like to have other peers cheering you on in?
Maybe choosing a non alcoholic version can be tremendously
helpful. Yeah, no doubt.
I I think you do bring up a good point, right.
Like that social aspect. And I've heard people say it's
hard to be a non drinker in Bend, OR and I am going to I and
I have and I will stand by this. No, it's not.
It is not hard because that's part of the the identity shift,
right, is that we feel that inclusion looks like mirroring
the behaviors of people around us.
And so that's where I really bring like a different like
perspective and a reframe to that.
That's about Oh no, you get to be the bad ass that's standing
in your power. Like you get to be the one that
unapologetically, because here's the thing, when I go out and
someone's like, Hey, can I get you a beer?
And they don't know I'm a non drinker.
I'm like, oh, oh, no, that's OK, I'm good.
Like it doesn't have to be a thing.
Like they don't even half the time they don't even know that I
don't drink or they're like, Hey, how about a beer?
And I'll be like, Oh, do they have an NA?
Because I enjoy an NA every now and then.
And and, you know, I'm always met with curiosity.
It's almost like our own power, our own confidence and our
choices tells people energetically, you do not get to
fuck with me about this. You do not get to tease me about
this. You don't get to say, oh, what's
wrong with you? Like who?
And and if anyone in my orbit said to me, oh, do you have a
problem with alcohol? Hey, I'd be like, yeah, I do.
Would you like to discuss that with me?
But like, nobody's gonna. I wouldn't hang around with
anyone that that says that because that, well, it says more
about their challenges than mine.
But when we can, when we can remove the shame and find our
own personal power and the choices that we make, we find
that we are supported. And then what I end up doing, so
I go out. I, you know, I go out and let's
go to the let's go to the brewery and yeah, you guys have
your drink. And then I just end up removing
myself before I start to see the personality changes.
Because more, more than anything, it, it just, it just
becomes uncomfortable for me to see people quote UN quote losing
themselves. And again, it's not a judgement,
it's just more a reflection of the sadness and grief that I
feel. If I can't connect with you
authentically, I don't, I don't really have a huge desire to be
around that. I and there's, there's, I can
always tell where there's a point where I'm like, oh, it's
time to remove myself from when I have to manage your energy.
I got to go. And then I'm sure you know what
that feels like. No, totally.
Yeah, I was going to say like I, I view alcohol as like if you
want to lower your vibration, one of the biggest ways to do
that is with a drink. And in not drinking, I've had
some of the best connection, best conversation with people.
Like I never have to, I never have to worry if I'm too tired.
Like it just there's real authentic communication.
And that to me is way more interesting than just kind of
like being half numb and kind of hanging out with each other.
But. Yeah, yeah, no doubt.
Oh, that's so beautiful. Like I, I love that you're
saying that too 'cause that's the soul aspect of the science
meets soul. And I think something important
like, like Jen and I are aligned on both of these things, both
the science and soul. We both have this perspective,
We both believe in how powerful bringing these two components to
this program is. So I just, I'll wrap up with
this, Jen, I want to say thank you for being a collaborator
with me on this program because it's it's really powerful.
Your education, the work that you've spent your experience in
medicine brings such an important component to the
conversation and to the program and to people's easier path to
alcohol freedom. So I want to thank you like
sincerely for for joining forces with me on this.
And I want to end with sharing with folks like what's included
with the program because again, this is my dream program.
We are launching it January 20th of 2026, but we are giving you
the starter kit that will that will launch and by December
31st. So before you go into the new
year, you will have time to work with the content and the
material to start your journey before we come together as a
group. We're limiting it to 30
participants so that we have a really tight intimate cohort
doing this important work together.
It's six weeks long. Once a week, you'll come on to a
live Zoom with Doctor Jen and I and your cohort for 90 minutes
to work through this information, these tools to
really navigate like real life experiences that are coming up.
But we're going to help you rewire those your, your brain
too. And then you're going to get the
33 tools of, of transformation. So that's going to include
things like journal prompts like shaking, EFT tapping.
You're going to get multiple guided hypnosis sessions that
are literally helping rewire your brain and Jen sprinkling
and all of her knowledge. We're going to give you a
nutritional program and supplement support so that
you're the craving like what's happening like in your body.
You can get some ease with that. Oh my gosh, I'm just so fucking
stoked about this. And then you're literally going
to get support with us every single day in the cohort in the
chat so that when those things come up between the sessions,
we're right there walking beside you.
Is there? What am I missing?
I'm, I'm sure I'm missing. There's so much to this program.
Supplement guidance too. Yep, Yep, supplement guidance
that's going to help support your brain go oh, OK, we're not
just Oh my gosh, like you're not going to have to white knuckle
your way through this. I think that's the most, that
was the biggest fear that I had is I knew what it was like to
give up alcohol before I knew what it was like to give up
cigarettes. I knew what it was like to give
up a trauma bond. Like I, I know addiction.
I know what it's like to get off of something that you're
addicted to, and we're going to make it so much easier.
It's like this smooth landing instead of just this like
fucking falling out of the sky white knuckle.
No, you're going to get every the community connection that
we're building, but also the journal prompts that are going
to support you. Jenna, I just wanted.
You to be fun. Yeah, it totally is.
I feel like our conversation's a little serious right now, but
we're pretty fun people, and we are.
Fun. We are fun.
We're so fun. There'll.
Be laughter, there'll be joy. Yes, there'll be tears, that's
it. But Oh my gosh, I did forget.
But you'll also get a full year summit membership to cricket
fixes and I think that's important because let's talk
about what's included in that. It's an $895 value that's a part
of the program. So you'll get my transformative
healing meeting and re Parenting Your Inner Child.
That's a four week self-paced program with a guided hypnosis
session to teach you how to meet your inner child.
I really think that is foundational to everything that
I offer and collaborate with in cricket fixes is being able to
meet your inner child and heal those wounded parts.
You'll also get 4 fast track cricket courses every year.
These are courses on like learning how to do mirror work,
learning how to drop into presents.
You'll also get access to $500 off my retreat partners.
So psilocybin retreat partners, I have Odyssey retreats, Beckley
retreats are both partners and they give you $500 off of
psilocybin retreat as well as all of my practitioners that
have their courses and like breathwork or somatic healing,
they give 50% off. So all of these things are are
included with the program. So you're brought into the
broader like membership and marketplace of cricket fixes
too. And if anyone has listened this
far, take advantage of 20% off and use Podcast 20 at checkout
so that you can save. And you can join us in January
for literally my dream program to get off of alcohol.
Jen, thanks so much for joining me on this journey.
Thank you for having me. We'll see you all in January.
All right, well, let's do this. Are you ready for your own
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