1 00:00:01,600 --> 00:00:05,280 Welcome to the Cricket Fixes podcast, where we tackle the 2 00:00:05,280 --> 00:00:09,160 tough topics of personal development, sprinkled with some 3 00:00:09,160 --> 00:00:11,840 raw vulnerability and a touch of humor. 4 00:00:12,160 --> 00:00:16,079 I'm your host Cricket, and each episode we're diving into the 5 00:00:16,079 --> 00:00:19,240 realms of healing, growth, and self discovery. 6 00:00:19,520 --> 00:00:21,920 So let's be fearless and awesome together. 7 00:00:22,200 --> 00:00:24,600 It's time to get your cricket fix. 8 00:00:26,240 --> 00:00:29,960 OK, I'd like to welcome you all back to the Cricket Fixes 9 00:00:29,960 --> 00:00:33,000 podcast with a very special guest today. 10 00:00:33,480 --> 00:00:38,040 Not only is she a friend of mine, but she is my collaborator 11 00:00:38,040 --> 00:00:42,400 on the 0 for Life, The Science meets Soul method to alcohol 12 00:00:42,400 --> 00:00:45,400 freedom. Doctor Jennifer Rossi, welcome 13 00:00:45,400 --> 00:00:48,080 to the show. Thanks Cricket. 14 00:00:49,520 --> 00:00:54,440 I want to 1st like start with how we met because I just think 15 00:00:55,200 --> 00:00:58,800 it's really fucking cool when we talk about following the bread 16 00:00:58,800 --> 00:01:01,440 crumbs, this is this is one of them. 17 00:01:01,440 --> 00:01:04,640 So why don't you? I'll let you speak for how we 18 00:01:04,640 --> 00:01:09,240 met. We met on social media, I was 19 00:01:09,240 --> 00:01:13,920 watching some stuff that you were posting and something about 20 00:01:13,920 --> 00:01:15,640 it. I was like I want to be friends 21 00:01:15,640 --> 00:01:19,760 with her. So I literally DM D you I think 22 00:01:20,000 --> 00:01:23,080 and said hey we should be friends like let's hang out. 23 00:01:24,400 --> 00:01:28,040 I want to I want to call it No. She slid into my DM I. 24 00:01:28,240 --> 00:01:33,920 Slid into your DM that's right with my dog because then we met 25 00:01:33,960 --> 00:01:36,520 a good dog dog park and. Our. 26 00:01:36,640 --> 00:01:40,280 About one year old dogs are best muse they are. 27 00:01:43,120 --> 00:01:46,320 So it was inevitable. It was written in the stars. 28 00:01:46,320 --> 00:01:48,240 We were, we were meant to do that. 29 00:01:48,240 --> 00:01:53,280 And then which I so appreciated, I've really appreciated getting 30 00:01:53,880 --> 00:01:58,360 to know you and your journey. And now you're, you're creating 31 00:01:58,360 --> 00:02:03,280 your own practice where you're helping women with their 32 00:02:03,280 --> 00:02:07,000 longevity and helping them through perimenopause and 33 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:09,400 menopause and how to optimize their life. 34 00:02:09,400 --> 00:02:12,800 And I'm like, yes, I love it that we need, we need you. 35 00:02:14,080 --> 00:02:17,080 Thank you. So, so talk a little bit about 36 00:02:17,480 --> 00:02:20,320 your journey, 'cause you were an ER physician. 37 00:02:20,320 --> 00:02:24,880 So talk about your journey kind of like into that and then 38 00:02:24,880 --> 00:02:27,080 through it and what you're doing today. 39 00:02:28,560 --> 00:02:31,960 Yeah. So my journey started. 40 00:02:32,320 --> 00:02:35,720 I'm allopathically trained, which just means I went to what 41 00:02:35,720 --> 00:02:38,480 you would consider a very traditional medical school, and 42 00:02:38,480 --> 00:02:41,240 from there did emergency medicine residency. 43 00:02:42,280 --> 00:02:48,600 And so I started working in the emergency room kind of late 20s 44 00:02:49,160 --> 00:02:55,320 and as you can imagine, have seen a lot, a lot of things that 45 00:02:55,320 --> 00:02:59,760 people have gone through in their life, a lot of kind of how 46 00:02:59,760 --> 00:03:08,280 society has affected people. And kind of parallel to that, as 47 00:03:08,280 --> 00:03:12,880 I finished residency, I started to dig into my own health and 48 00:03:12,880 --> 00:03:15,880 Wellness journey. And so like at age 30, I joined 49 00:03:15,880 --> 00:03:17,440 a CrossFit gym. And that was really 50 00:03:17,440 --> 00:03:21,080 transformative for me in terms of all of a sudden starting to 51 00:03:21,080 --> 00:03:24,000 learn about fitness and nutrition and the impact of 52 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:29,640 lifestyle on the human body. So I was kind of like learning 53 00:03:29,640 --> 00:03:34,600 all of this while also working in the hospital. 54 00:03:35,680 --> 00:03:41,280 And then over time just realized that I wanted to kind of help 55 00:03:41,280 --> 00:03:47,160 people not be in the ER and help people not wind up with hip 56 00:03:47,160 --> 00:03:51,520 fractures when they're 70 when really trying to help them 57 00:03:51,520 --> 00:03:55,080 prevent that starts decades earlier. 58 00:03:56,840 --> 00:04:01,240 And so that was a lot of, and I think too, I, you know, there's 59 00:04:01,240 --> 00:04:04,960 a part of me that it was like, OK, we can definitely help 60 00:04:04,960 --> 00:04:09,560 people in the moment here, but it's a lot of kind of putting 61 00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:13,640 band aids on things. And what are we kind of doing to 62 00:04:13,640 --> 00:04:21,000 help support people more holistically before they kind of 63 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:24,520 get into that state of trouble? Yeah. 64 00:04:24,520 --> 00:04:26,280 And getting to the root of it, right? 65 00:04:28,120 --> 00:04:32,880 Because that's what I, I really love about your work is looking 66 00:04:32,880 --> 00:04:35,240 at the root of it and lifestyle changes. 67 00:04:35,240 --> 00:04:38,760 And that's really what I think is so beautiful about this 68 00:04:38,760 --> 00:04:43,240 collaboration as we're really speaking to, you know, you, I 69 00:04:43,240 --> 00:04:47,840 love the name that we came up with for the program, the 70 00:04:47,840 --> 00:04:52,480 Science meets Soul Method. Because I like, if it weren't 71 00:04:52,480 --> 00:04:56,800 for you, we wouldn't have created my dream program, that 72 00:04:56,800 --> 00:05:01,680 dream program that I would have wanted when I was giving up 73 00:05:01,680 --> 00:05:04,080 alcohol, right? It's understanding what's 74 00:05:04,080 --> 00:05:06,440 happening in the brain. It's understanding what's 75 00:05:06,440 --> 00:05:10,400 happening in in the body. And, and I think those like 76 00:05:10,760 --> 00:05:16,280 logical, like health, like science based understanding not 77 00:05:16,280 --> 00:05:21,280 only reduces shame, but it's a really big motivator for living 78 00:05:21,280 --> 00:05:24,800 our best lives, right? And so I love that you bring 79 00:05:24,800 --> 00:05:26,600 that. Thank you. 80 00:05:27,400 --> 00:05:28,960 Yeah. And I think when, you know, 81 00:05:29,240 --> 00:05:32,040 speaking to alcohol specifically, it's like, 82 00:05:32,040 --> 00:05:36,880 obviously I've seen it have a tremendous impact on so many 83 00:05:36,880 --> 00:05:39,320 lives in the emergency department. 84 00:05:39,320 --> 00:05:45,480 But I think even just out and about people I don't think have 85 00:05:45,520 --> 00:05:50,120 a full understanding of all of the different impacts it has on 86 00:05:50,120 --> 00:05:53,320 the human body. And pretty much like every 87 00:05:53,320 --> 00:05:56,440 single organ system that you can have. 88 00:05:58,240 --> 00:06:00,480 Yeah, yeah, I'm excited to be able to. 89 00:06:00,960 --> 00:06:04,480 Obviously, like every single week in this program, there's 90 00:06:04,720 --> 00:06:09,320 specific information and teaching on effects of alcohol. 91 00:06:09,320 --> 00:06:13,240 There's a lot. Yeah, there's a lot, but it's 92 00:06:13,240 --> 00:06:18,800 the reason is, is because, you know, I think you can look at 93 00:06:18,960 --> 00:06:22,840 the impact alcohol can have on relationships and look at that 94 00:06:22,840 --> 00:06:27,400 aspect of things. But there is this piece that it 95 00:06:27,400 --> 00:06:30,440 truly is affecting things. I mean, it's a Class 1 96 00:06:30,440 --> 00:06:34,560 carcinogen. It has direct effects on your 97 00:06:34,560 --> 00:06:38,160 gut health. Your liver, it in any amount is 98 00:06:38,160 --> 00:06:47,080 linked to dementia. Yeah, and that's what's so 99 00:06:47,080 --> 00:06:50,520 important is bringing this information to light. 100 00:06:50,960 --> 00:06:53,000 And I do. I'm going to link to this too 101 00:06:53,000 --> 00:06:56,600 'cause I do want to touch on this like there is a big shift 102 00:06:56,600 --> 00:07:01,120 culturally around alcohol use. You know, we've been seeing the 103 00:07:01,120 --> 00:07:07,520 trends, millennials, Gen. Z really changing things, but 104 00:07:07,520 --> 00:07:11,600 the, the alcohol industry is starting to fight back, right? 105 00:07:11,600 --> 00:07:16,440 They're seeing the decline in alcohol use as more of this 106 00:07:16,440 --> 00:07:20,840 information comes to light. And, and so it's, it's, it's all 107 00:07:20,840 --> 00:07:24,440 the health reasons, right? The, the lies that we've been 108 00:07:24,440 --> 00:07:27,720 told about 01 glass a day is really good for you. 109 00:07:27,720 --> 00:07:35,040 It's not, it's not, it's not safe and healthy in any amount. 110 00:07:35,040 --> 00:07:38,720 It is a poison. And so we're going to be talking 111 00:07:38,720 --> 00:07:42,160 a lot about that, but we're also going to be talking about the 112 00:07:42,160 --> 00:07:45,320 neuro, the the neurotransmitters that get disrupted. 113 00:07:45,720 --> 00:07:49,800 Like how it how it completely takes your dopamine out of 114 00:07:49,800 --> 00:07:52,160 balance. Like then you can't, you know, 115 00:07:52,160 --> 00:07:55,600 regulate your own. It's like, whoa, like if I had 116 00:07:55,600 --> 00:08:00,960 known these things sooner, it would have been really powerful. 117 00:08:01,320 --> 00:08:06,080 Beyond the motivation to like clean up my own life and change 118 00:08:06,080 --> 00:08:08,920 my own relationship with alcohol, which by the way, we 119 00:08:08,920 --> 00:08:13,920 call it 0 for life, 'cause I had to and wanted to break up with 120 00:08:13,920 --> 00:08:17,200 alcohol for good, 'cause I was like, no, just like a toxic 121 00:08:17,200 --> 00:08:19,480 relationship. You don't get space in my life 122 00:08:19,480 --> 00:08:25,480 now alcohol doesn't either. So we'll get into more of that, 123 00:08:25,480 --> 00:08:31,960 but you know, what are like, I, I want to pepper this, this 124 00:08:32,159 --> 00:08:35,600 interview with some real information about what is 125 00:08:35,600 --> 00:08:37,400 happening. Why do we crave alcohol? 126 00:08:37,400 --> 00:08:40,440 Like from just from a biological perspective? 127 00:08:42,159 --> 00:08:46,400 So a lot of it has to do with, just like you mentioned, 128 00:08:46,400 --> 00:08:51,560 dopamine cycles. So when we have a drink, it is 129 00:08:52,080 --> 00:08:55,640 altering specific neurotransmitters in our brain. 130 00:08:55,640 --> 00:08:58,320 It's affecting our GABA production. 131 00:08:58,320 --> 00:09:02,040 GABA is a inhibitory neurotransmitter. 132 00:09:02,040 --> 00:09:05,000 So kind of that's why you get that mellow feeling. 133 00:09:05,920 --> 00:09:09,920 It also feeds into your your dopamine system. 134 00:09:09,920 --> 00:09:12,920 So you get kind of that reward kick. 135 00:09:13,760 --> 00:09:17,760 And that's why when you have one drink, then all of a sudden your 136 00:09:17,760 --> 00:09:24,520 body starts to crave another one, whether or not you've had 137 00:09:24,680 --> 00:09:31,240 wouldn't quote too much or not. And it actually will reset how 138 00:09:31,240 --> 00:09:34,440 your brain then produces your neurotransmitters. 139 00:09:34,440 --> 00:09:40,320 So, you know, as you drink alcohol more consistently, your 140 00:09:40,320 --> 00:09:47,000 body stops making as much of that an inhibitory, that mellow 141 00:09:47,000 --> 00:09:52,080 type of neurotransmitter. So your, your Physiology like 142 00:09:52,080 --> 00:09:56,800 your body just wants that external source back to get back 143 00:09:56,800 --> 00:09:59,000 to baseline. And so you're almost kind of 144 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:06,360 chasing your tail in this. So it's people, the cravings are 145 00:10:06,360 --> 00:10:09,920 not just this psychological piece of, oh, it's fun for me to 146 00:10:09,920 --> 00:10:13,640 go out with friends and have a glass of wine and there's 147 00:10:13,640 --> 00:10:19,120 definitely that piece to it. But physically your body 148 00:10:19,120 --> 00:10:24,360 actually starts to need the alcohol to start to feel normal. 149 00:10:24,360 --> 00:10:30,280 And you don't have to be a super big drinker to get into that 150 00:10:30,280 --> 00:10:32,920 state. I think that's one of the kind 151 00:10:32,920 --> 00:10:37,360 of myths that people can kind of trap themselves into is thinking 152 00:10:37,360 --> 00:10:38,800 that oh, well, I'm not drinking that much. 153 00:10:38,800 --> 00:10:41,840 It doesn't matter. It's it's not affecting my brain 154 00:10:41,840 --> 00:10:43,160 as much. But really it's like. 155 00:10:43,840 --> 00:10:46,400 It is. It is, yeah. 156 00:10:46,680 --> 00:10:50,920 I so appreciate you saying that. So I'm, I'm going to use this as 157 00:10:50,920 --> 00:10:53,880 a good segue to kind of get into my own story because I think 158 00:10:53,880 --> 00:10:58,960 it's really important that we end the shame around alcohol use 159 00:10:58,960 --> 00:11:02,600 and abuse, right? It's, we have a dysregulated 160 00:11:02,600 --> 00:11:07,760 nervous system and we're craving something that is going to give 161 00:11:07,760 --> 00:11:11,320 us that little dopamine hit, take the edge off whatever it 162 00:11:11,320 --> 00:11:13,320 is. And we've, we've really never 163 00:11:13,520 --> 00:11:19,200 learned the ways to handle it. So my, my alcohol use and abuse 164 00:11:19,200 --> 00:11:25,160 started when I was 13 years old. So I share pretty regularly that 165 00:11:25,760 --> 00:11:29,440 at the age of 6 months, my mom was diagnosed bipolar 1. 166 00:11:29,440 --> 00:11:35,920 So all I knew was like chaos and rage and severe mental illness. 167 00:11:35,960 --> 00:11:40,160 And around 13, my dad actually worked for Miller Brewing. 168 00:11:40,160 --> 00:11:44,600 So he would get free beer. I would help him haul it into 169 00:11:44,600 --> 00:11:47,760 the house. And I started, I started 170 00:11:47,760 --> 00:11:52,040 stealing alcohol and I was on my own a lot because my mom would 171 00:11:52,040 --> 00:11:54,000 be in the hospital. I would be alone. 172 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:58,840 I would, I mean literally abandoned, not intentionally, 173 00:11:58,840 --> 00:12:01,880 not abusively, but I, I was, I was alone. 174 00:12:01,880 --> 00:12:07,440 And so alcohol became my trusted friend like that way to, to 175 00:12:07,440 --> 00:12:09,320 support me. And then I would go through 176 00:12:09,320 --> 00:12:16,560 these phases of not drinking, like even, you know, like it was 177 00:12:16,600 --> 00:12:21,040 actually pretty easy for me to not not drink during the week. 178 00:12:21,040 --> 00:12:23,320 Like that was a big rule in my 20s. 179 00:12:23,320 --> 00:12:27,800 I can remember I was like, you can go fucking wild on the 180 00:12:27,800 --> 00:12:32,520 weekend, but come Sunday, like Sunday through Thursday, I would 181 00:12:32,520 --> 00:12:36,880 not like, I remember how like it was a religious thing for me. 182 00:12:36,880 --> 00:12:40,160 It was, I was very like self-righteous about it. 183 00:12:40,880 --> 00:12:44,240 Well, that all shifted when I moved to San Francisco when I 184 00:12:44,240 --> 00:12:47,520 was working in a very high pressure job in a very 185 00:12:47,520 --> 00:12:55,200 stimulating city around people. The entire culture was drink, 186 00:12:55,360 --> 00:12:57,560 drink regularly, drink every day. 187 00:12:57,560 --> 00:13:03,200 I just fell into that groove of people that were heavy drinkers. 188 00:13:03,600 --> 00:13:08,200 And that's when the like what I would say one of the heights of 189 00:13:08,200 --> 00:13:13,240 my alcohol use and abuse hit. And then it really started to 190 00:13:13,240 --> 00:13:18,680 change once I got my hypnotherapy certification and I 191 00:13:18,680 --> 00:13:22,200 started to understand more about the neural pathways in the brain 192 00:13:22,200 --> 00:13:26,520 and these habits that we are creating and where cravings come 193 00:13:26,520 --> 00:13:29,560 from and how to use the power of our mind to change those 194 00:13:29,560 --> 00:13:33,440 cravings and tap into our subconscious. 195 00:13:33,880 --> 00:13:38,200 So in 2015, I know I'm rambling, but this is an important part of 196 00:13:38,200 --> 00:13:43,360 the story. In 2015, I started a Wellness 197 00:13:43,360 --> 00:13:45,960 company because I had my nutritional therapy 198 00:13:45,960 --> 00:13:48,480 certification too. And I had enough information to 199 00:13:48,480 --> 00:13:50,760 know this alcohol was bad for me. 200 00:13:50,760 --> 00:13:53,720 So I was going to change my relationship with it. 201 00:13:54,160 --> 00:13:57,640 And in 2015, I gave up alcohol for a full year. 202 00:13:58,200 --> 00:14:01,560 And I remember like how I wanted to go through every birthday, 203 00:14:01,560 --> 00:14:05,600 every anniversary, every. I went through funerals, like I 204 00:14:05,600 --> 00:14:09,360 went through every occasion, the good, the bad, weddings, 205 00:14:09,360 --> 00:14:12,440 everything. And it was great. 206 00:14:12,560 --> 00:14:14,480 And then I was like, OK, I've got this. 207 00:14:14,480 --> 00:14:16,680 I've changed my relationship with alcohol. 208 00:14:16,680 --> 00:14:20,600 But so that I was, I was paying attention to the neural pathway, 209 00:14:20,920 --> 00:14:25,000 but not the neurotransmitter side of it, not this like 210 00:14:25,000 --> 00:14:29,600 dopamine side of it, right. And so I still wasn't, I didn't 211 00:14:29,600 --> 00:14:34,520 have the nervous system regulators that I needed to get 212 00:14:34,520 --> 00:14:39,200 through these challenging times. And slowly, it took about two 213 00:14:39,200 --> 00:14:42,520 years, but slowly I resumed alcohol. 214 00:14:42,520 --> 00:14:45,760 And then I got into a very toxic relationship. 215 00:14:45,840 --> 00:14:51,520 And alcohol was my survival strategy when I gave up alcohol, 216 00:14:51,520 --> 00:14:57,560 which by the way, tomorrow we'll make it 2 years alcohol free. 217 00:14:58,360 --> 00:15:02,840 I gave up alcohol three days before a psychedelic journey. 218 00:15:02,840 --> 00:15:09,080 I did legally, I have to say I did it legally and, and with a 219 00:15:09,080 --> 00:15:14,000 guided legal service center. But I, I was only able to give 220 00:15:14,000 --> 00:15:19,120 it up three days before and I never drank again because it, 221 00:15:19,400 --> 00:15:24,000 you know, I completely rewired my identity around alcohol. 222 00:15:24,400 --> 00:15:28,480 But at the height of my drinking, I was drinking 7 to 8 223 00:15:28,480 --> 00:15:32,480 drinks a day. I was literally figuring out, 224 00:15:33,240 --> 00:15:38,600 OK, I've got pickleball at six, so I'm gonna have, I mean, I was 225 00:15:38,600 --> 00:15:42,560 like fitting in a drink at 2:00. And then I would give myself 226 00:15:42,560 --> 00:15:44,880 like a couple hours without a drink. 227 00:15:45,280 --> 00:15:47,960 I would go play pickleball. I would have a drink with 228 00:15:47,960 --> 00:15:50,360 friends there. And then I would drive home. 229 00:15:50,600 --> 00:15:54,280 And then I would have like 6-6 or seven more drinks at home by 230 00:15:54,280 --> 00:16:01,200 myself every fucking day. And I am here to say like, thank 231 00:16:01,200 --> 00:16:05,120 God. Thank God nothing horrible 232 00:16:05,120 --> 00:16:10,800 happened, but I certainly, I certainly did so many things 233 00:16:10,800 --> 00:16:14,120 that I regret and I blacked out and more, more, more than 234 00:16:14,120 --> 00:16:18,560 anything, I lost myself and my alcohol. 235 00:16:18,560 --> 00:16:22,560 I lost who I was. I lost my authentic self. 236 00:16:22,560 --> 00:16:24,840 I didn't know who I was. All right, I'm going to stop 237 00:16:24,840 --> 00:16:27,240 rambling right now, but I thought it was really important 238 00:16:27,240 --> 00:16:31,040 because because Jen brings the science and I'm just going to 239 00:16:31,040 --> 00:16:33,160 bring the soul. Like I'm going to bring the the 240 00:16:33,160 --> 00:16:35,920 reality of what some of you might be feeling out there is 241 00:16:35,920 --> 00:16:39,920 like, who are these women to come and talk to me about? 242 00:16:40,080 --> 00:16:43,400 Oh, shit. OK, yeah, she's been there. 243 00:16:44,160 --> 00:16:48,520 So, so like, I think that's what's so beautiful about our 244 00:16:48,520 --> 00:16:51,560 work together too. Jen is really ending the shame, 245 00:16:51,680 --> 00:16:54,360 right. Like and and I wanna talk about 246 00:16:54,360 --> 00:16:57,640 you don't have to like you've said this, you don't have to hit 247 00:16:57,640 --> 00:17:02,960 rock bottom, but you got to see first hand what the effects of 248 00:17:02,960 --> 00:17:06,280 alcohol were coming in to the ER. 249 00:17:06,280 --> 00:17:10,040 So talk a little bit about that because people don't get to see 250 00:17:10,040 --> 00:17:13,760 and volumes what's happening as a society with alcohol and you 251 00:17:13,760 --> 00:17:17,319 have. Yeah, I mean, I think, look, 252 00:17:17,319 --> 00:17:22,920 it's no secret that it is hard to live in America these days 253 00:17:22,920 --> 00:17:27,200 for a lot of people and for a lot of reasons that people are 254 00:17:27,200 --> 00:17:29,640 dealing with a tremendous amount of stress. 255 00:17:31,080 --> 00:17:38,320 And that, and it is a way that people have to quote UN quote, 256 00:17:38,320 --> 00:17:41,680 relax, take the edge off, self medicate, however you want to 257 00:17:41,680 --> 00:17:47,960 cut it. And you know, and yes, I've seen 258 00:17:48,040 --> 00:17:53,720 the spectrum of some patients who very, very heavy drinkers, 259 00:17:53,720 --> 00:17:58,800 severe liver disease, you know, and I think that's the Super 260 00:17:58,800 --> 00:18:02,840 minority though. Like it's also seeing the 261 00:18:02,840 --> 00:18:05,920 effects on people's blood pressure that then LED them to 262 00:18:05,920 --> 00:18:10,560 have heart attacks. It's seeing, you know, one in 263 00:18:10,560 --> 00:18:12,680 five. I think it's the stat is one in 264 00:18:12,680 --> 00:18:16,360 five people report binge drinking every month. 265 00:18:16,360 --> 00:18:20,520 So it's not that necessarily they're having drinks every 266 00:18:20,520 --> 00:18:23,920 single day, but there might be a period of time where you're 267 00:18:23,920 --> 00:18:29,400 binging and during that period, unfortunately can see lots of 268 00:18:29,400 --> 00:18:31,800 accidents happening. I've seen people trip on the 269 00:18:31,800 --> 00:18:36,760 sidewalk and wind up with brain bleeds, you know, just, it does 270 00:18:36,760 --> 00:18:40,560 run the spectrum. And then also unfortunately, it 271 00:18:40,560 --> 00:18:45,080 can lead to a lot of domestic abuse, which have also seen kind 272 00:18:45,080 --> 00:18:49,240 of that aspect of things or people. 273 00:18:50,120 --> 00:18:53,240 And I think the other thing that I haven't kind of talked to yet 274 00:18:53,240 --> 00:18:58,280 is if if you're anxious, if you're depressed, while it may 275 00:18:58,280 --> 00:19:03,640 take, you know, as you start to drink, it feels good. 276 00:19:03,640 --> 00:19:06,840 It actually exacerbates both of those two things. 277 00:19:06,840 --> 00:19:11,040 So it's almost like pouring gasoline on anxiety or on 278 00:19:11,040 --> 00:19:13,840 depression. And so that can also lead to 279 00:19:13,840 --> 00:19:18,200 people getting into a state where they need to seek help 280 00:19:18,200 --> 00:19:24,400 because of this, you know, either or feeling super anxious 281 00:19:24,400 --> 00:19:30,400 or Yeah, for whatever reason. So, and I think you know, and 282 00:19:30,400 --> 00:19:36,920 I'm just going to speak, you know, we are both in our 40s and 283 00:19:36,920 --> 00:19:46,080 you know about you on your age. But yes, just like middle 284 00:19:46,440 --> 00:19:54,000 midlife. You know, and just with hormone 285 00:19:54,000 --> 00:19:56,200 changes, it also effects our body differently. 286 00:19:56,200 --> 00:19:58,960 Like that's, you know, just I'm kind of pulling it back to my 287 00:19:58,960 --> 00:20:03,600 work a little bit. But you know, as our estrogen 288 00:20:03,600 --> 00:20:07,320 progesterone start to change in pre menopause and menopause, and 289 00:20:07,320 --> 00:20:10,240 then that doesn't buffer A cortisol as much and then you 290 00:20:10,240 --> 00:20:14,200 start to drink on top of that, it makes it worse. 291 00:20:14,200 --> 00:20:18,840 So women actually wind up being even more sensitive than our 292 00:20:18,840 --> 00:20:23,520 male counterparts, which is. You know why? 293 00:20:23,520 --> 00:20:28,640 It's like one of the first lifestyle factors that I'll hone 294 00:20:28,640 --> 00:20:31,360 in on on with patients. Who? 295 00:20:32,040 --> 00:20:36,680 Are have it yeah, cuz they kind of letting it out of your life 296 00:20:36,840 --> 00:20:41,160 and have huge effects on just like how much energy and 297 00:20:41,160 --> 00:20:43,520 vitality and like. You're able. 298 00:20:43,560 --> 00:20:45,960 To do all the rest of the things, yeah. 299 00:20:46,520 --> 00:20:50,800 I am so glad that you talked about on perimenopause and 300 00:20:50,800 --> 00:20:55,000 menopause and alcohol use and the impact on hormones and 301 00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:58,320 inflammation. Like it's it's already 302 00:20:58,320 --> 00:21:04,360 challenging enough to go through that without alcohol. 303 00:21:04,720 --> 00:21:15,120 I was in like full body pain every single day until I gave up 304 00:21:15,120 --> 00:21:18,280 alcohol. Like I have Hashimoto's and I 305 00:21:18,280 --> 00:21:20,240 know that contributed to flare ups. 306 00:21:20,240 --> 00:21:26,080 And yeah, the pain, the anxiety, like I always talk about, I, I 307 00:21:26,080 --> 00:21:29,360 tend to talk more about, you know, how it impacted me 308 00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:34,600 spiritually or personally or, and living out my life purpose, 309 00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:37,040 which I love to talk about. But just me, like daily 310 00:21:37,040 --> 00:21:40,120 functioning, like that's what you're bringing up, especially 311 00:21:40,440 --> 00:21:43,760 as a middle-aged woman is like our sleep. 312 00:21:44,040 --> 00:21:50,200 Sleep is king, and what a disruptor it is. 313 00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:53,640 It's a lie that it prepares you for your rest. 314 00:21:53,640 --> 00:21:56,960 It robs you of deep restorative sleep. 315 00:21:57,720 --> 00:22:00,480 So I don't, I don't know if you want to touch on that at all, 316 00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:02,080 but it is. It's all a lie. 317 00:22:02,080 --> 00:22:05,760 It adds to anxiety. It makes sleep more difficult. 318 00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:09,800 And a lot of this I didn't know. And had I known this, it would 319 00:22:09,800 --> 00:22:12,080 have been such a motivator for me. 320 00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:18,960 Yeah, it does affect sleep it so it can help you fall asleep, but 321 00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:22,120 then what it does is it actually prevents you from getting that 322 00:22:22,120 --> 00:22:26,280 deep restorative sleep that your body and your brain needs to 323 00:22:26,280 --> 00:22:30,000 actually repair itself. And so you wake up, you, you 324 00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:33,160 know, you might have slept the same amount of time, but you're 325 00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:35,600 not going to wake up feeling as rested. 326 00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:40,200 And it tends to also encourage those like nasty 2 AM, 3:00 AM 327 00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:44,640 wake ups, where as it's kind of like wearing off. 328 00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:46,760 And then it's also doing some things to your blood sugar, 329 00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:51,120 which can help or not help, but it helps wake you up. 330 00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:55,440 Right, right. Yeah, so lots of sleep 331 00:22:55,880 --> 00:23:01,280 disturbances. Yeah, but we're told just have 332 00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:03,760 one, right? Just everything in moderation. 333 00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:06,200 It's such bullshit and I'm calling bullshit. 334 00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:12,160 And I do want to kind of reference the, the Self magazine 335 00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:18,000 article that came out about women in particular that are 336 00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:24,760 choosing to be alcohol free. And this kind of like, what's 337 00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:26,680 the word? I'm looking for this like lash 338 00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:30,640 bat, this backlash that that comes with it or, or thinking 339 00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:34,400 that we're self-righteous. You know, I, I posted, I want to 340 00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:39,480 address that this too because I posted so on my social media, I 341 00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:44,880 did a post about can we just like end the shame of alcohol 342 00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:46,640 abuse and start talking about it? 343 00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:48,960 Because I'm very open with my story. 344 00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:53,920 And this woman came on and said, I'm sick and tired of hearing 345 00:23:53,920 --> 00:24:00,200 about all of you alcohol abusers that have shit going on in your 346 00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:03,960 life and you gave up alcohol and now you want everyone else to be 347 00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:07,080 alcohol free. OK, I'm talking to you. 348 00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:09,560 And it's kind of like this self magazine too. 349 00:24:09,560 --> 00:24:13,040 It's like, oh, now you want, now that you figured out like you're 350 00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:15,280 fucked up. Now you want everyone else to 351 00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:18,560 heal their own fucked up shit. And I, I responded to her in a 352 00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:22,200 very kind way. And I was like, I the invitation 353 00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:25,960 is for you to like, I'm talking about alcohol abuse on this 354 00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:28,800 post, period. A I'm talking about alcohol 355 00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:31,520 abuse. I'm not saying that everyone 356 00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:37,040 should be alcohol free because I absolutely 100% believe in 357 00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:40,920 sovereignty. And I'm not a, oh, you should do 358 00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:45,160 this and you shouldn't do that. I'm a, hey, let's educate you on 359 00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:49,520 what's actually happening so you can make a decision for yourself 360 00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:52,040 on what you want for your own life. 361 00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:54,880 So I'm not judging you if you continue to drink. 362 00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:59,640 That's that's your prerogative. But I, I did say to her too, I 363 00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:04,320 was like, here's my invitation. I clearly call out alcohol 364 00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:07,040 abuse. So if you're not abusing alcohol 365 00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:09,880 and you don't identify with that, then this post isn't for 366 00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:12,240 you. So why is it triggering you? 367 00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:17,360 Is there a part of you that is feeling some shame and at which 368 00:25:17,360 --> 00:25:22,280 I believe to be, you know, true? But I believe, like I've said 369 00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:26,240 this, I stand by this. I've always said within the next 370 00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:30,840 7 years alcohol will be looked at just as cigarette smoking is. 371 00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:36,000 I really believe that the more that the, the research gets 372 00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:39,520 spread about what's happening in the body, its impact, its 373 00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:41,640 connection to cancer, right, Right. 374 00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:45,440 As you're talking about dementia, like it's going to be 375 00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:48,440 looked at like cigarette smoking. 376 00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:50,640 I, I believe that. And then I'm like, maybe it 377 00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:52,880 won't even be 7 years. It might, you know, and we're a 378 00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:56,440 part of that is just getting the word out and then people get to 379 00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:58,720 make choices about that for themselves. 380 00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:01,440 I'm again I'm going off on a tangent. 381 00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:04,560 But I think there's already data to suggest, I mean the younger 382 00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:07,360 generations. Alcohol, like drinking, is way 383 00:26:07,360 --> 00:26:10,040 down in kids. And they're not kids. 384 00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:19,520 Excuse me, people in their 20s? These kids these days, that's 385 00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:20,040 funny. Yeah. 386 00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:22,480 Young adults are are adults. Yeah. 387 00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:26,480 And this article, I think this is also important too. 388 00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:30,040 Is this this article talks about, well, this that 389 00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:32,480 generation you see an increase in vaping. 390 00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:36,120 So let's let's talk about the elephant in the room is that 391 00:26:36,120 --> 00:26:40,840 nobody is teaching people how to regulate their nervous system, 392 00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:45,440 which is one of the 33 tools of transformation you get in our 393 00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:50,200 program is learning how to regulate your nervous system, 394 00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:53,360 right, Right. Well, and I was like, I don't 395 00:26:53,360 --> 00:26:57,560 drink anymore. I, I never drank until I started 396 00:26:57,560 --> 00:27:00,400 working in emergency medicine. Actually. 397 00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:05,040 That's when I would have, you know, OK, I'm done with the 398 00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:06,720 shift. I'm going to go have a glass of 399 00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:13,040 wine to unwind and once I, you know, kind of share personally, 400 00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:16,240 I went through a divorce recently and did a lot of 401 00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:23,040 healing, nervous system work, introspection and have been 402 00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:26,800 introduced to nervous system regulation and kind of burnout 403 00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:31,720 recovery myself. It was like, I don't, this is 404 00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:36,200 actually not the tool I need. This is actually the exact thing 405 00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:39,920 I don't need to be doing. I need to be doing breath work 406 00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:45,040 and walking outside in nature. And when I'm feeling this, you 407 00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:50,160 know, shaking, like there's so many other different ways to get 408 00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:57,840 that effect than pouring a glass of wine, which just I think 409 00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:03,120 aren't hot enough. And like, I love like you're, 410 00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:04,800 you're so good at teaching these. 411 00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:08,440 Like I'm so excited to. I'm excited to learn more too 412 00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:11,320 'cause I don't even think I know 33 tips myself. 413 00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:17,200 Oh yeah, there's, there's so many things available to us. 414 00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:21,560 Like that's why I call this, like when I was going through my 415 00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:25,040 alcohol free journey, I was pulling from all different 416 00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:29,480 places, right 'cause I really wanted that balance of what's 417 00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:32,760 happening in my brain and the, and the science behind it. 418 00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:37,120 But I also wanted that like that soul aspect, like I wanted an 419 00:28:37,120 --> 00:28:41,560 identity shift, right? I didn't want my identity 420 00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:44,080 anymore. Like my identity was wrapped 421 00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:47,640 around alcohol. When I was a cigarette smoker, 422 00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:52,000 my identity was wrapped around cigarette smoking. 423 00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:56,160 And that break with that, you go outside with your Co workers and 424 00:28:56,160 --> 00:29:00,440 it's like, well, what happens? Who am I without that, without 425 00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:03,880 them, without this time to like break and come into connection, 426 00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:09,000 like even community connection, which is a very big part of our 427 00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:14,800 program, is an important part. That's one of the 33 tools of 428 00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:20,160 how you shift your identity right Is coming into deep 429 00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:25,040 vulnerable connection with other human beings to say I see you, 430 00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:29,840 I'm going to validate your experience which validation 431 00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:34,160 That's another one of the 33 tools of transformation being 432 00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:40,040 seen and met where you are is such a de escalator as such a 433 00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:45,160 soother for the nervous system. Jen and I were, we were having 434 00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:49,000 one of our our meetings to talk about the program and, and 435 00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:53,960 looking at things and we had the most beautiful like, hey, can we 436 00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:57,480 just stop for a minute, 'cause I'm feeling dysregulated. 437 00:29:57,480 --> 00:30:02,400 Can we like to remember that talk through it and just saying, 438 00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:06,480 yeah, I see you, right? How did that feel for me to say, 439 00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:10,960 wow, that makes sense to me, It's amazing. 440 00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:13,600 How can I support you? I think I told you I was like, 441 00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:17,640 I'm just feeling a little tender right now and stupid and I just 442 00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:20,080 need to vocalize this. And then we kind of like worked 443 00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:21,680 through what we were. Yeah. 444 00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:25,880 Very. And it, yeah, it's what a. 445 00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:29,720 Gift it's. Powerful to be able to say, hey, 446 00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:36,120 I am not feeling kind of like fully centered or feeling right 447 00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:39,560 and I don't really know what's going on, but I just need to 448 00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:42,680 vocalize. I'm having this feeling and then 449 00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:46,320 being able from there to work through it and it, yeah, it's 450 00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:50,840 very powerful. It is, I swear to God, like at 451 00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:54,000 least for me personally, and I and I'll, you know, both 452 00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:58,440 actually both Jen and I will bring this to the program is I 453 00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:02,360 feel like genuine validation when someone says to you that 454 00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:06,840 makes sense to me, like I, it makes sense why why that would 455 00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:11,560 be coming up is one of the most powerful ways to turn down the 456 00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:17,160 volume on an emotion that feels uncomfortable, because being 457 00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:22,040 seen can mean for many people feeling safe. 458 00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:24,840 And that's what came out of my my journey. 459 00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:29,120 When I call it my rebirthday. When I was exploring that with 460 00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:33,600 my guide, it was she's like, you're doing it to feel safe 461 00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:36,000 because you just need to feel safe. 462 00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:39,200 And so that's what we're going to teach you in the program is 463 00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:44,360 how to find that safety within yourself, within yourself. 464 00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:47,800 And you know, we talk a lot about inner child healing too. 465 00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:51,280 And sometimes I'll just go into, can I just talk to your little 466 00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:53,360 girl right now? Or if it's a man I'm talking 467 00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:56,360 about, is it OK if I talk to your little boy right now 'cause 468 00:31:56,360 --> 00:32:01,120 I'm, I'm sensing he's the one that's feeling and thinking and 469 00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:03,160 coming up right now. Would that be OK? 470 00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:09,160 It seems weird at first, but holy shit, yes, I want that that 471 00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:14,600 little girl to to feel heard and safe and supported and oh, that 472 00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:24,600 tenderness, right. So Jen, as you're thinking about 473 00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:29,360 someone who's on their journey to optimizing their life, their 474 00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:34,440 health, wanting the very best, like what is your #1 tip? 475 00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:37,600 If they're thinking about or looking at their relationship 476 00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:39,760 with alcohol, where, how would you tell them? 477 00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:42,120 Start here. Start right here. 478 00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:47,320 You know, and I think when we think about habit change, a lot 479 00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:49,040 of it is just awareness at first. 480 00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:53,120 That's the base and I think and on complete being completely 481 00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:57,600 honest with yourself about what actually is going on in your 482 00:32:57,600 --> 00:33:05,280 life like and I really so it's like the first step in the 483 00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:08,360 journey is not even that first step that you're taking. 484 00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:13,080 It's kind of putting your code on to or realizing that you have 485 00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:15,280 to make a move. You have to start walking down a 486 00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:19,080 path. And I think too, sometimes 487 00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:24,400 people have an inkling that a habit isn't serving them very 488 00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:26,320 well. And you know, we're talking 489 00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:29,720 about alcohol in this conversation, but let's be on 490 00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:30,960 it. I mean, there's so many 491 00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:32,800 different addictions in this world. 492 00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:35,960 And you don't even have to be addicted to want to make a habit 493 00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:37,240 change. I think that's the other kind of 494 00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:40,480 key point I want to make here is you can just recognize that 495 00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:45,920 something is not serving you and you want to eliminate it in your 496 00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:49,760 life because you see your life moving into a more positive 497 00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:52,440 direction if you don't bring it along with you. 498 00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:57,680 And I honestly feel like that is from there. 499 00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:02,760 Change happens, but it's like that deep desire for wanting 500 00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:05,120 something different and better for yourself. 501 00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:09,840 I love that. And that's, that's another tool 502 00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:14,400 that we have in the toolbox for everyone is some really powerful 503 00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:18,159 journal prompts that help you get out of your head and, and 504 00:34:18,159 --> 00:34:22,400 drop into your heart to understand where am I? 505 00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:25,159 What is going on? What do I want for myself? 506 00:34:25,159 --> 00:34:30,040 What do I dream for myself? And being able to see, start to 507 00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:34,800 see that alcohol doesn't have any function in getting you 508 00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:37,040 there. In fact, it can, you can start 509 00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:41,040 to see that it's actually either a distraction or, or a 510 00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:43,760 roadblock, depending on, on how you're using it. 511 00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:46,560 For me, it was a full stop roadblock. 512 00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:50,800 So I love that awareness. It's also body awareness, right? 513 00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:53,760 Like how we learn to get out of our head and start getting into 514 00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:59,880 our body to see where, where does dysregulation show up and 515 00:34:59,880 --> 00:35:05,600 where in our life are we like, holy cow, this is a big one, 516 00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:07,800 right? Like how to create really 517 00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:13,440 unbreakable boundaries where to see where we do have power to 518 00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:19,440 shift some some change in our life because it is it's we're 519 00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:21,920 we. Holy shit, you're right. 520 00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:26,400 We are so stressed. We do not have a system speak to 521 00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:30,480 this 'cause we do not have a system in the United States that 522 00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:32,800 supports A regulated nervous system. 523 00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:34,880 In fact, it keeps us dysregulated. 524 00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:42,760 Yeah, I mean the the society that we live in as a whole is 525 00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:47,760 not that up to support kind of healthy nervous systems. 526 00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:51,280 And I think you have to be really careful with how you're 527 00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:55,560 engaging with things and do a lot of self stewardship. 528 00:35:55,800 --> 00:36:01,520 But one of the things kind of to that point is I think for a lot 529 00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:03,960 of people is the social aspect of alcohol. 530 00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:07,440 You know, we both live in Bend. There's a lot of breweries 531 00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:09,200 around here. There's a lot of social 532 00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:12,840 activities that focus on going out. 533 00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:17,120 And I think it can become hard for people to say, hey, I'm not 534 00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:21,440 going to have the beer when I go to the brewery because more of a 535 00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:26,280 social thing, right? So it's like having being a part 536 00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:30,600 of a group that together is choosing to do something 537 00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:33,640 different in the social environments. 538 00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:38,000 It's almost like, OK, well, I'm going to be with this group 539 00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:40,240 mentality. So I think there is also 540 00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:46,680 something very helpful in being a part of a group that is 541 00:36:46,720 --> 00:36:51,600 choosing alcohol freedom and can help support you through moments 542 00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:55,760 of like, hey, I'm going to this brewery with my friends tonight 543 00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:59,160 and I'm really worried about peer pressure. 544 00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:03,000 Like to have other peers cheering you on in? 545 00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:07,320 Maybe choosing a non alcoholic version can be tremendously 546 00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:09,880 helpful. Yeah, no doubt. 547 00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:13,040 I I think you do bring up a good point, right. 548 00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:16,880 Like that social aspect. And I've heard people say it's 549 00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:22,720 hard to be a non drinker in Bend, OR and I am going to I and 550 00:37:22,720 --> 00:37:26,120 I have and I will stand by this. No, it's not. 551 00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:32,120 It is not hard because that's part of the the identity shift, 552 00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:36,880 right, is that we feel that inclusion looks like mirroring 553 00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:39,320 the behaviors of people around us. 554 00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:44,120 And so that's where I really bring like a different like 555 00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:46,640 perspective and a reframe to that. 556 00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:52,360 That's about Oh no, you get to be the bad ass that's standing 557 00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:55,760 in your power. Like you get to be the one that 558 00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:58,760 unapologetically, because here's the thing, when I go out and 559 00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:00,640 someone's like, Hey, can I get you a beer? 560 00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:02,200 And they don't know I'm a non drinker. 561 00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:05,720 I'm like, oh, oh, no, that's OK, I'm good. 562 00:38:05,720 --> 00:38:07,520 Like it doesn't have to be a thing. 563 00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:11,000 Like they don't even half the time they don't even know that I 564 00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:13,560 don't drink or they're like, Hey, how about a beer? 565 00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:15,360 And I'll be like, Oh, do they have an NA? 566 00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:18,040 Because I enjoy an NA every now and then. 567 00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:24,640 And and, you know, I'm always met with curiosity. 568 00:38:25,240 --> 00:38:30,040 It's almost like our own power, our own confidence and our 569 00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:34,720 choices tells people energetically, you do not get to 570 00:38:34,720 --> 00:38:37,760 fuck with me about this. You do not get to tease me about 571 00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:39,280 this. You don't get to say, oh, what's 572 00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:41,680 wrong with you? Like who? 573 00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:46,840 And and if anyone in my orbit said to me, oh, do you have a 574 00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:49,800 problem with alcohol? Hey, I'd be like, yeah, I do. 575 00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:52,240 Would you like to discuss that with me? 576 00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:56,200 But like, nobody's gonna. I wouldn't hang around with 577 00:38:56,200 --> 00:38:59,280 anyone that that says that because that, well, it says more 578 00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:01,000 about their challenges than mine. 579 00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:05,280 But when we can, when we can remove the shame and find our 580 00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:08,440 own personal power and the choices that we make, we find 581 00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:11,400 that we are supported. And then what I end up doing, so 582 00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:16,800 I go out. I, you know, I go out and let's 583 00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:20,040 go to the let's go to the brewery and yeah, you guys have 584 00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:22,560 your drink. And then I just end up removing 585 00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:27,320 myself before I start to see the personality changes. 586 00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:31,320 Because more, more than anything, it, it just, it just 587 00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:36,320 becomes uncomfortable for me to see people quote UN quote losing 588 00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:38,760 themselves. And again, it's not a judgement, 589 00:39:39,240 --> 00:39:44,280 it's just more a reflection of the sadness and grief that I 590 00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:46,320 feel. If I can't connect with you 591 00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:52,360 authentically, I don't, I don't really have a huge desire to be 592 00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:54,840 around that. I and there's, there's, I can 593 00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:57,360 always tell where there's a point where I'm like, oh, it's 594 00:39:57,360 --> 00:40:04,200 time to remove myself from when I have to manage your energy. 595 00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:08,560 I got to go. And then I'm sure you know what 596 00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:10,880 that feels like. No, totally. 597 00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:15,200 Yeah, I was going to say like I, I view alcohol as like if you 598 00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:19,320 want to lower your vibration, one of the biggest ways to do 599 00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:24,280 that is with a drink. And in not drinking, I've had 600 00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:28,280 some of the best connection, best conversation with people. 601 00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:32,160 Like I never have to, I never have to worry if I'm too tired. 602 00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:37,760 Like it just there's real authentic communication. 603 00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:44,240 And that to me is way more interesting than just kind of 604 00:40:44,240 --> 00:40:48,160 like being half numb and kind of hanging out with each other. 605 00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:51,320 But. Yeah, yeah, no doubt. 606 00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:55,000 Oh, that's so beautiful. Like I, I love that you're 607 00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:57,680 saying that too 'cause that's the soul aspect of the science 608 00:40:57,680 --> 00:40:59,960 meets soul. And I think something important 609 00:40:59,960 --> 00:41:03,720 like, like Jen and I are aligned on both of these things, both 610 00:41:03,720 --> 00:41:06,480 the science and soul. We both have this perspective, 611 00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:11,800 We both believe in how powerful bringing these two components to 612 00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:15,480 this program is. So I just, I'll wrap up with 613 00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:19,920 this, Jen, I want to say thank you for being a collaborator 614 00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:23,640 with me on this program because it's it's really powerful. 615 00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:29,160 Your education, the work that you've spent your experience in 616 00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:33,520 medicine brings such an important component to the 617 00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:37,160 conversation and to the program and to people's easier path to 618 00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:40,360 alcohol freedom. So I want to thank you like 619 00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:43,760 sincerely for for joining forces with me on this. 620 00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:47,880 And I want to end with sharing with folks like what's included 621 00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:50,680 with the program because again, this is my dream program. 622 00:41:51,240 --> 00:41:56,880 We are launching it January 20th of 2026, but we are giving you 623 00:41:56,880 --> 00:42:02,960 the starter kit that will that will launch and by December 624 00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:05,360 31st. So before you go into the new 625 00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:09,280 year, you will have time to work with the content and the 626 00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:14,080 material to start your journey before we come together as a 627 00:42:14,080 --> 00:42:16,960 group. We're limiting it to 30 628 00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:21,280 participants so that we have a really tight intimate cohort 629 00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:24,000 doing this important work together. 630 00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:28,560 It's six weeks long. Once a week, you'll come on to a 631 00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:34,040 live Zoom with Doctor Jen and I and your cohort for 90 minutes 632 00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:37,600 to work through this information, these tools to 633 00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:41,880 really navigate like real life experiences that are coming up. 634 00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:45,120 But we're going to help you rewire those your, your brain 635 00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:46,800 too. And then you're going to get the 636 00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:50,560 33 tools of, of transformation. So that's going to include 637 00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:54,800 things like journal prompts like shaking, EFT tapping. 638 00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:58,880 You're going to get multiple guided hypnosis sessions that 639 00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:03,400 are literally helping rewire your brain and Jen sprinkling 640 00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:06,240 and all of her knowledge. We're going to give you a 641 00:43:06,240 --> 00:43:09,800 nutritional program and supplement support so that 642 00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:14,080 you're the craving like what's happening like in your body. 643 00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:19,320 You can get some ease with that. Oh my gosh, I'm just so fucking 644 00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:21,440 stoked about this. And then you're literally going 645 00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:25,600 to get support with us every single day in the cohort in the 646 00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:29,120 chat so that when those things come up between the sessions, 647 00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:31,360 we're right there walking beside you. 648 00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:33,400 Is there? What am I missing? 649 00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:36,560 I'm, I'm sure I'm missing. There's so much to this program. 650 00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:43,360 Supplement guidance too. Yep, Yep, supplement guidance 651 00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:47,120 that's going to help support your brain go oh, OK, we're not 652 00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:51,160 just Oh my gosh, like you're not going to have to white knuckle 653 00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:54,960 your way through this. I think that's the most, that 654 00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:58,240 was the biggest fear that I had is I knew what it was like to 655 00:43:58,240 --> 00:44:01,120 give up alcohol before I knew what it was like to give up 656 00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:03,480 cigarettes. I knew what it was like to give 657 00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:07,760 up a trauma bond. Like I, I know addiction. 658 00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:11,440 I know what it's like to get off of something that you're 659 00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:15,960 addicted to, and we're going to make it so much easier. 660 00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:18,760 It's like this smooth landing instead of just this like 661 00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:21,880 fucking falling out of the sky white knuckle. 662 00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:25,320 No, you're going to get every the community connection that 663 00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:28,440 we're building, but also the journal prompts that are going 664 00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:31,480 to support you. Jenna, I just wanted. 665 00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:34,480 You to be fun. Yeah, it totally is. 666 00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:37,920 I feel like our conversation's a little serious right now, but 667 00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:40,360 we're pretty fun people, and we are. 668 00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:41,760 Fun. We are fun. 669 00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:42,960 We're so fun. There'll. 670 00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:47,560 Be laughter, there'll be joy. Yes, there'll be tears, that's 671 00:44:47,720 --> 00:44:50,040 it. But Oh my gosh, I did forget. 672 00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:55,120 But you'll also get a full year summit membership to cricket 673 00:44:55,120 --> 00:44:58,760 fixes and I think that's important because let's talk 674 00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:03,760 about what's included in that. It's an $895 value that's a part 675 00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:06,880 of the program. 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