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Welcome back everyone. 
Today on the Joseph Carlson 

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Show, we get into yet another 
busy week in the stock market. 

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Last week felt like a year, it 
felt like. 

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A long time. 
Period to invest throughout all 

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of this chaos. 
Uncertainty, all these constant 

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changes in policy regarding 
tariffs, we've seen the effects 

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that it's had on the 10 year 
Treasury commentary from 

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different businesses and the 
impact the. 

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Whipsaw of the stock. 
Market, well, now we get all of 

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that, it's continuing on and 
we're entering into earnings 

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season. 
This is where these companies. 

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Give their report card of what? 
Happened over the past 90 days 

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as well as they more importantly
give commentary on their. 

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Views and perspectives. 
Of the current environment and 

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what they're expecting over the 
next 90 days or the next year, 

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this is where. 
We get to see. 

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What companies are saying and 
this? 

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Week is very busy if we look at 
the. 

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Qualtrum earnings calendar. 
This shows you day by day, 

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dynamically which companies are 
reporting earnings and 

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information about their 
earnings. 

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And here we have on Monday, 
Goldman Sacks. 

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That it's already reported. 
Earnings. 

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Now I circled some other really 
important companies. 

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For example, on Wednesday, this 
Wednesday we have ASML. 

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This is one of my key 
investments, one of my newer 

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ones. 
I made a significant bet in 

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ASML. 
TSM is also reporting earnings. 

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On Thursday and we're. 
Going to see both of them this 

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week. 
Their commentary on what to 

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expect with iPhone demand with 
chip processing and AI demand. 

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Everything related to all these.
High end companies. 

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These companies in many ways 
represent the demand. 

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That all these big. 
Tech companies are facing. 

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So this is an incredibly. 
Important week with these two 

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very crucial companies 
reporting. 

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And then on Thursday, we also. 
Have another one thrown in after

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market. 
Close. 

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We have Netflix. 
Netflix is one of my most 

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significant investments. 
It's a company that I've. 

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Talked about for years. 
It's the reason that the Story 

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Fund is doing so well, and we 
get to see how. 

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They're doing and what they 
expect for the future. 

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So we're going to dive into the 
numbers, what the expectations 

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are, and I'm going to make some 
predictions overall with this 

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earnings season of what all 
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say. 
I believe there's going to be 

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some common themes, especially 
regarding the tariffs and 

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uncertainty. 
So I'll be going over just a few

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predictions about this earnings 
season. 

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Now, of course, we also have 
some news to get to. 

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We have an interview here, This 
one is. 

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Ray Dalio. 
He went on to Meet the Press and

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I like. 
This because this. 

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Is more of a. 
A territory that's. 

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Outside of the investment 
circle, it's not CNBC or Fox 

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News. 
Now we're getting to. 

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Just everyday people, everyday 
people. 

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That don't even work with 
finances. 

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They're not addicted to looking 
at the stock market, just normal

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people. 
And then you have Ray Dalio 

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there. 
Who's like the most? 

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Bearish of all the bears. 
Sitting there just blasting them

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with all this incredibly 
frightening information, Ray. 

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Dalio I've criticized. 
Many times as being a mega bear,

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a continual bear, he's 
persistently negative and 

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concerned and worrying about one
thing or the next. 

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Well, this made it the prime 
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Interview went hyper viral. 
Getting multiple millions of 

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views just on YouTube. 
So we're going to be looking 

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over some of the key arguments 
he makes. 

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I'll be responding to some of 
the things he says. 

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That are incredibly bearish. 
On this environment now to 

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balance out Ray Dalio and his 
gloomy outlook, we also have to 

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look at what Tom Lee is doing. 
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Side always looking for. 
Opportunities optimistically and

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he's very constructive about 
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So we're going to get the 
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that's. 
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And someone that's bullish. 
And then finally, one of the 

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most. 
Amazing stories I've read. 

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Is that this? 
AI shopping app that this guy 

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made promised that if you buy 
something from the app, it was 

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the artificial intelligence 
going in and buying it from 

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these random websites. 
So you could just click on 

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something you want to buy, you 
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The AI would figure it out. 
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It was all powered by. 
People in the Philippines, this 

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is one of the most crazy 
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That I've heard of. 
And it's just the state. 

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We're in This story is 
emblematic and representative of

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the. 
Current state we're in, so we 

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have a ton to get into in this 
episode. 

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It's going to be an interesting 
one. 

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Now before we jump in, just one 
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You'll notice that I'm not 
sponsored by different 

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companies. 
I'm not constantly plugging VPN.

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Services or audible or whatever.
It may be I don't have any of 

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them as sponsorships and that's 
an intentional choice. 

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I could if I wanted to, but 
instead I focused on building a 

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product that I think you'll 
actually enjoy. 

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Something that I think. 
Offers a real value. 

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To investors, that is. 
Qualtrum Qualtrum is $10 per 

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And the reason that I can 

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charge. 
Such a low price for it is I. 

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Own it outright. 
There's no other partners, the 

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team that. 
Works on it with me. 

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Is incredibly efficient. 
Qualtrum costs 1/3 or 1/4 as 

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much as other. 
Stock analysis tools and in most

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cases does way more than them. 
You have the insights page. 

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That gives you all. 
The fundamentals of a company in

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Visual. 
Format. 

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Going back 30 years you have 
KPI's which are key. 

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Performance indicators of 
companies like Netflix 

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subscribers. 
And revenue by regions? 

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You have the discounted. 
Cash flow calculator that's 

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incredibly simple to use. 
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summaries, you have the earnings
calendar and so on and so forth.

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It comes with a ton of 
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more powerful every single day. 
I have my developer working on 

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this all the time so. 
If you want to try it out. 

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I think you'll love it if you 
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You won't pay anything until the
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And if for some reason if you 
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I tried it out and I. 
Accidentally got charged for 

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some reason. 
We get free refunds, no 

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questions asked. 
We only want people that love 

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it. 
And there's a lot of people 

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that. 
Do we have over 9? 

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1000 members on it and it 
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To grow. 
So try that. 

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Out if you haven't now let's go 
ahead and jump into this week. 

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We have starting off Monday, a 
company. 

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That's already reported. 
Earnings, which is Goldman 

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Sachs. 
For long term investors, we like

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a market that's generally not 
that. 

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Volatile one that just. 
Goes up over. 

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Time, but for day. 
Traders for short term technical

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traders. 
They love a volatile market. 

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A surge in trading activity 
fueled by investor uncertainty 

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about president. 
Trump's policies is. 

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Minting money for Goldman Sachs 
and other big banks. 

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The Wall Street. 
Firm joined at JP Morgan and 

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Morgan Stanley. 
In reporting a bigger profit for

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the first quarter fueled by 
record revenue. 

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In its equities trading and 
lending unit, banks have been 

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raking in fees. 
As investors reposition their 

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portfolios. 
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trades and other economic. 
Policies might rattle markets, 

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but in terms of anticipating the
future, the commentary of the 

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CEO. 
Is one of the ones of many 

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business leaders saying. 
That they believe we're. 

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Going into a recession. 
Quote The prospects of a 

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recession have increased with 
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Indications that economic 
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the. 
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So Goldman Sachs is yet one more
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To raise the red flag of a 
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With the Goldman Sachs CEO 
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Percentage chance of a. 
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I believe this is a good point 
to jump into some predictions. 

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I have overall. 
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This is broadly. 
Speaking across the board for 

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every company, I believe there's
going to be a lot of talk about 

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consumer slowing down. 
We saw a little bit of. 

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Evidence of this. 
Early in the year with Texas 

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Roadhouse. 
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Year things were incredibly 
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There is strong. 
Growth, but going into this year

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they saw in the past just 
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Customers slow down. 

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That was the first red flag of a
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But that was before the tariffs.
Were introduced With the tariffs

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being introduced, the level of 
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In fact, we have. 
Some surveys here just over the 

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past. 
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consumer sentiment fell 11% in 
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Now if consumer sentiment is 
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to spend money as much as they 
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the revenue of companies in 
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That a lot of. 
CE OS say that consumers are 

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being more cautious. 
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bit, they're wanting to spend a 
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wanting to see more. 
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We're going to see a lot of 
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About that with every. 
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With consumers, which is. 
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Then we also have this theme 
playing out right now and I 

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believe something that's changed
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Since all of this tariff. 

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Policy has come into play, which
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Business leaders. 
CE OS and investors alike have 

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become aware. 
That A. 

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Small group of people, just a 
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can rapidly implement. 
Policy that dramatically changes

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the potential. 
Earnings of companies and their 

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entire landscape these changes 
are dramatic, monumental changes

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to business prospects, led by 
someone that can do it at a whim

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without any regard to Congress, 
and someone that has the. 

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Wherewithal to do it? 
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That is a change. 
In risk assessment, whether 

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you're pro. 
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This new realization that only a
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rapidly into such a great 
magnitude is a new. 

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Uncertainty in the market that 
investors will price. 

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In. 
The market is already uncertain.

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Stocks are already. 
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but this new adaptation that. 
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Of has raised the. 
Unpredictability to a whole. 

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New level now CE OS are. 
Unsure. 

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Of how much money they're going 
to earn over the next three 

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months, of how well their 
business is going to do, because

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not only do they have to. 
Project their future growth 

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based on their business 
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But they have to. 
Guess about policy. 

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Of which they can't possibly 
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They can change day-to-day. 
So I believe there's going to be

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a. 
Lot of commentary about CE, OS 

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and CFO saying we just don't 
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We have no clue what the tariff 
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But we can give some vague 
predictions based on what it may

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be. 
I think there's going to be a 

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lot of guessing games, a lot of 
just kind of maybe it's this and

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in that case the business might 
do this, maybe the. 

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Tariffs are lower. 
And it's business as? 

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Usual, but either way. 
I think CE, OS and business 

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leaders are going to be negative
on the tariffs. 

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They're going to mention how the
cost of them are passed on to 

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the consumer. 
They're going to mention how 

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it's going to slow growth. 
They're going to mention how 

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it's going to raise the chances 
of a recession. 

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More than they were before the 
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I think we'll have a repeated. 
Theme of CE OS relaying. 

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That information to investors 
just like the. 

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CEO of Goldman Sachs did now 
let's go ahead and take a look 

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at some of these companies 
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expectations for these earnings 
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First of all, this week we have.
A SMLASML is a stock that I have

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in the passive income portfolio 
so it's in my main 1 here and 

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it's one of the newer position 
currently the stock. 

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Is in the red by 8. 
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That's $3000 on a 42. $1000 
position. 

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Now stock going into the red 
soon after you buy it is. 

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Really not a problem. 
In fact, if you read Peter 

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Lynch's. 
Books. 

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He talks about how. 
His best investments happened. 

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Three years. 
After buying the stock, that's 

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usually when he. 
Saw the best. 

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Returns from his companies. 
Was three years after. 

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I've owned FML for well less 
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Year so this. 
One really hasn't had a lot of 

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time to grow and I'm still very 
optimistic about this company. 

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Now if we go to the earnings 
calendar, ASML reports Wednesday

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before market open. 
We can go to Qualtrum here and 

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look at the what? 
To watch for this gives you a 

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summary of the biggest points to
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For for each company with ASML 
in. 

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Particular this. 
Company beat on their 

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expectations big time in Q4, so 
last quarter they had a 

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monstrous. 
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It was actually incredible. 
We see the ASML. 

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Far surpassed their. 
Expectations with 9.3 billion. 

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Dollars of sales last. 
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looking to see if they continue 
momentum or if they say things 

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are going to. 
Slow down dramatically. 

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ASML is not only their 
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outlook looks like. 
For the different. 

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Chips and high end things like 
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whatnot. 
But I also want to see what they

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say in terms of geopolitical. 
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Their business in China. 
How they view the tariffs. 

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I want to see what they say 
about all of that coming into 

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play. 
I think they'll have overall 

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optimistic outlook. 
Investors are going to try to. 

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Dissect ASML and see whether or 
not they can see the demand 

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outlook for artificial 
intelligence with companies like

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NVIDIA, companies like Google, 
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with Asml's report. 
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'S report will act like the 
first. 

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Weathervane of what direction 
the AI demand? 

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Looks like for. 
All these other companies, the 

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other. 
Incredibly important company 

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reporting. 
This week as TSM. 

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A lot of people have asked why 
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Invest in ASML instead of TSM, 
and Simply put, ASML has even 

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fewer competitors than TSM does,
and TSM is a highly concentrated

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monopolistic business. 
So that gives you an idea of how

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monopolistic ASML is. 
But either way, they're. 

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Commentary and what investors 
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Is very similar for both of 
these. 

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Companies, they're going to look
at what the demand outlook is. 

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For all of these devices. 
Things like Tesla's and. 

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Ev's chips. 
For smartphones and televisions,

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you name it, all of that comes 
through TSM. 

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Based on their most recent 
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their AI. 
Accelerator revenue showed 

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impressive. 
Growth and that they expect. 

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It to double. 
In 2025. 

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So they've already noted that 
this form of revenue. 

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Is going to double and investors
are going to see if that's still

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the plan, if that's. 
Still their. 

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Projection, whether or not that 
estimate's moving upwards or 

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down, are staying the same. 
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FML and TSM are. 
Going to be companies and 

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investors look at. 
As the weathervane for big tech 

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and other big companies, these 
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To be the first. 
Ones giving us an indication of 

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what to expect now, moving on 
later. 

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Throughout this week, we get to 
Thursday after market. 

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Close and we have Netflix Now 
let's take a look at my position

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in Netflix. 
This company is one of the. 

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Larger positions. 
I've held it in the story fund 

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for years. 
I've really liked. 

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This company for a long period 
of time and I bought more of it 

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during the dip which. 
Really bolstered the performance

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of this. 
Portfolio. 

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It's made-up for the majority of
the games with $51,000 in the 

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green. 
Even Amazon OR. 

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Google or. 
Microsoft pale in comparison of 

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buying Netflix during the dip. 
So of course, Netflix turned out

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to be. 
A great deal buying it in 2022 

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when it was almost. $200 per 
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The question is, what does it 
look like Now? 

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If we look at what to expect 
from this company, we can take a

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look at some of the the key 
things to look for with Netflix.

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Netflix is executing on a lot of
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For example, one of them is 
their advertising tier. 

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I want to see how many. 
Users or members they. 

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Have on their advertising tier. 
Then we have their content 

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spending forecast. 
Netflix has said that. 

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They've increased their budget a
lot. 

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And they're increasing it to $18
billion from 16 billion. 

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So they've increased the budget.
By $2 billion, that's money they

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could have generated in free 
cash flow, but they're now 

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producing more and more content.
We also have big currency 

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impacts on this company and 
their hedging strategy. 

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Netflix makes over. 50% of their
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Outside of the US, so currency 
has a big implication on their 

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earnings and we have the market 
penetration and price. 

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Strategy. 
Netflix has frequently announced

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price. 
Increases on their membership. 

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During their quarterly reports, 
so they'll. 

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Report earnings, then they'll 
announce a price increase. 

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They've done that over and over 
again. 

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I don't know if they'll announce
the price increase this. 

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Time because they've recently. 
Done so, but Netflix is a. 

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Company with substantial 
pricing. 

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Power and they've leveraged. 
This over the past couple of 

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years. 
Not only have they. 

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Increased their budget 
dramatically, but they've 

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increased the price of their 
service as their service. 

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Value has grown. 
When I look at Netflix today and

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my assumption going into this 
earnings report, I still love 

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the company. 
I still love the stock where it 

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is today. 
It's a little bit. 

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More than where I'd want. 
To buy it if I was first 

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entering into a big position. 
I'd try to buy. 

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It for around 730. 
Dollars couple 100 bucks. 

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Lower than it is today, but even
at today's price, I think that 

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it will beat the market. 
And the reason why is simple. 

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When investors look at 
valuations, they make the same 

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mistakes. 
Over and over again. 

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They look at the multiples of a 
company without looking at the 

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growth and I see this same 
thing. 

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Over and over again, people say 
it's crazy. 

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That Netflix. 
Trades at a 30. 6 Ford multiple.

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Whenever you look at the 
multiple of a company, you have 

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to match that with the expected 
growth of the company. 

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For example, yes. 
It's true that Netflix trades at

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a 30. 6 multiple. 
But if we go down and look at 

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the earnings growth of the 
company, it also adds in some 

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context. 
Over the trailing 12 months, 

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Netflix has grown their earnings
per. 

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Share. 
By 65%, so 65% growth. 

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Is incredibly fast. 
That's three to four. 

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Times the average. 
Of a. 

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Fast growing company that's 10 
times faster than the S&P 500. 

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So obviously when a company is 
growing earnings 10 times faster

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than the S&P 500, the multiple 
deserves. 

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To be a little higher. 
Netflix's earnings per. 

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Share has skyrocketed over the 
past couple of years, so this 35

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Ford PE ratio. 
Could look very expensive. 

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If the company grew by 6 or 7%. 
Earnings over the next five 

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years, but my expectations for 
Netflix. 

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Is that it's? 
Going to grow more in line of 

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25% earnings per share growth 
over the next. 

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Five years. 
If it does that, it'll still 

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justify its. 
Valuation. 

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Even with the uncertainty in 
today's market, I believe these 

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companies will do well. 
I think ASML is going to have 

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great earnings. 
I think that the company is 

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undervalued. 
The same thing for TSM and 

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Netflix. 
Netflix hasn't gone down as much

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because the company is not quite
affected. 

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By tariffs, but I also believe 
they're going to have very. 

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Strong earnings. 
So my expectation going into 

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this week is even with the. 
Overshadowing of uncertainty 

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that earnings reports are going 
to be. 

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Good. 
Now moving on, we get to some 

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news. 
That I won't call. 

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Shocking news, in fact, this is.
Probably the most predictable. 

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News that you could. 
Ever, ever dream of. 

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And that is that Ray Dalio is 
making media rounds predicting 

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calamity and future economic 
distress. 

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Now saying that, Ray Dalio. 
Is going to predict. 

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Future calamity and problems and
warn about things is like saying

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that the ocean is wet. 
Or that the sun will rise from 

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the east tomorrow. 
It's a prediction. 

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That you can make. 
With a relative level. 

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Of confidence. 
And here we have again Ray Dalio

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doing the media tours talking 
about what may happen in the 

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future, and this one had 
millions of views. 

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Because it had a very catchy tag
that Ray Dalio predicts. 

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Something worse than a 
recession. 

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Talking about a recession, do 
you think it is likely that the 

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United States will dip into a 
recession because of President 

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Trump's tariffs? 
I think that right now we are at

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a decision making point and very
close to a recession and I'm 

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worried about something worse 
than a recession if this isn't 

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handled well. 
A recession is 2 negative 

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quarters of GDP and whether it 
goes slightly there. 

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We always have those things. 
We have something that's much 

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more profound. 
We have a breaking down of the 

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monetary order. 
We are going to change the 

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monetary order because we cannot
spend the amounts of money. 

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So we have that problem. 
And when we talk about the 

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dollar and we talk about 
tariffs, we have that we are 

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having a profound changes in our
domestic order, how ruling is 

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existing and we're having 
profound changes in the world 

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order. 
Such times are very much like 

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the 1930s. 
I've studied history and this 

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repeats over and over again. 
So if you take tariffs, if you 

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take debt, if you take the 
rising power, challenging the 

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existing power, if you take 
those factors and look at the 

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factors that those changes in 
the orders, the systems are 

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very, very disruptive. 
How that's handled could produce

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something that is much worse 
than a recession. 

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So here he uses a lot of of 
words. 

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Like changing order monetary and
managing changing order. 

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It's a lot of. 
Euphemisms or abstractions of 

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what he's really saying. 
When I listen to this, I think 

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he's talking about changes to 
the US. 

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Reserve currency status. 
Changes to how businesses are 

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managed and the. 
Debt. 

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How the debt? 
Is being handled. 

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The budget deficit can be 
reduced to 3% of GDP. 

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It's about it will be about 7% 
if things are not changed, If it

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could be reduced to about 3% of 
GDP and these trade deficits and

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so on are managed in the right 
way, this could all be managed 

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very well. 
I believe that members of 

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Congress should take the pledge,
what I'll call the 3% pledge, 

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that in one way or another that 
they will get that budget 

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deficit down to that number. 
If they don't, we're going to 

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have a supply demand problem for
debt at the same time as we have

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these other problems. 
And the results of that will be 

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worse than a normal recession. 
He's saying this lightly. 

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What he's talking about as the 
US literally going bankrupt, 

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where the interest rate on the 
US debt becomes so expensive 

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that. 
Even if we raise. 

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Taxes, even if we try to. 
Tackle it we can't pay for. 

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It, and the fact that we can't 
pay for it, means that taking 

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out. 
Future debt. 

467
00:20:21,360 --> 00:20:24,320
Becomes even more expensive. 
Because investors don't want to 

468
00:20:24,320 --> 00:20:26,160
buy the US debt. 
Because the credibility goes 

469
00:20:26,160 --> 00:20:28,160
down. 
This is a vicious circle. 

470
00:20:28,280 --> 00:20:31,520
This is what the government 
dramatically needs to avoid, and

471
00:20:31,520 --> 00:20:34,480
in this concern, I share it. 
Wholly with Ray Dalio. 

472
00:20:34,480 --> 00:20:36,840
I think that the US needs to get
the budget under control. 

473
00:20:37,160 --> 00:20:38,080
I think they need to get it 
down. 

474
00:20:38,080 --> 00:20:40,200
To 3% of. 
GDP he talks. 

475
00:20:40,200 --> 00:20:43,520
About how Congress. 
Should make a pledge to do this,

476
00:20:44,200 --> 00:20:47,640
but Congress has the opposite 
incentive of controlling the 

477
00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:49,880
debt. 
Congress's incentive. 

478
00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:52,840
For themselves, which everybody?
Looks out for #1 right? 

479
00:20:53,080 --> 00:20:55,560
Congress's number one incentive 
for themselves. 

480
00:20:55,920 --> 00:20:58,920
Is to get re elected. 
The way that they get re elected

481
00:20:58,920 --> 00:21:01,000
is by. 
Promising lots of goodies for 

482
00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:03,520
their constituents. 
That you're going to get your 

483
00:21:03,520 --> 00:21:05,480
your thing you want. 
Hair that we're going to pass a 

484
00:21:05,480 --> 00:21:07,280
budget that gets the thing you 
want hair. 

485
00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:10,640
That everybody gets the stuff. 
They want, nobody wants to pay 

486
00:21:10,640 --> 00:21:12,360
on debt. 
That's not something that every 

487
00:21:12,360 --> 00:21:15,880
constituent is calling in and 
saying, hey, did we pay down the

488
00:21:15,880 --> 00:21:19,080
debt today? 
That's not a popular item, but 

489
00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:21,160
that's exactly what we need to 
be focused on. 

490
00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:23,760
When would Congress ever agree 
to a rule like that? 

491
00:21:23,760 --> 00:21:25,600
It goes against their first 
incentive. 

492
00:21:25,760 --> 00:21:27,240
Which is to protect. 
Themselves. 

493
00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:30,040
Ray Dalio O'Hare realizes. 
He's on an everyday show with 

494
00:21:30,040 --> 00:21:32,440
normal people watching this, so 
again he uses. 

495
00:21:32,440 --> 00:21:34,400
A lot of light. 
Terms and euphemisms. 

496
00:21:34,640 --> 00:21:37,880
And he tries to lightly explain 
that owning someone else's debt 

497
00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:40,480
is only an asset. 
If they have the ability to pay 

498
00:21:40,480 --> 00:21:42,760
it back. 
The value of money. 

499
00:21:43,120 --> 00:21:46,320
What is a store hold of wealth 
that is a bond. 

500
00:21:46,800 --> 00:21:49,800
In other words, one man's debt 
is another man's assets, 

501
00:21:49,840 --> 00:21:52,600
bondholders. 
And so we're going to be in a 

502
00:21:52,600 --> 00:21:57,840
situation where if that store 
hold of wealth is in jeopardy 

503
00:21:58,080 --> 00:22:01,600
because there's too much supply 
and demand and so on, and we 

504
00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:05,840
have a monetary inflation, we 
will have great disruptions. 

505
00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:09,640
And that that could be like the 
breakdown of monetary System 71.

506
00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:13,040
It could be like 2008. 
It's going to be very severe. 

507
00:22:13,040 --> 00:22:16,720
I think it could be more severe 
than those imagine if we have 

508
00:22:16,800 --> 00:22:21,720
have a downturn politically and 
and and international conflict. 

509
00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:25,560
Very grim potential. 
Outlook from Ray Dalio Ray Dalio

510
00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:27,280
gives these. 
Warnings that always get a lot 

511
00:22:27,280 --> 00:22:29,600
of attention and a lot of media 
just like any other. 

512
00:22:29,600 --> 00:22:31,920
Predictions of calamity. 
And one of the things that. 

513
00:22:31,920 --> 00:22:35,000
These hosts always do. 
Like this one does here is she 

514
00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:37,640
mentions that. 
This is the guy that accurately 

515
00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:41,840
predicted the two. 1007 
financial crisis and while it's 

516
00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:43,600
true. 
That Ray Dalio predicted that. 

517
00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:45,520
They don't. 
Mention that he also predicted 

518
00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:49,040
20 different crises before and. 
After that didn't happen. 

519
00:22:49,120 --> 00:22:50,840
Overall, his accuracy in 
predicting. 

520
00:22:50,840 --> 00:22:53,160
Economic calamity is incredibly.
Poor. 

521
00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:56,840
He almost always is wrong. 
He rarely ever gets it right. 

522
00:22:57,120 --> 00:22:58,880
He's the definition of the 
clock. 

523
00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:01,800
That's broken. 
That's right, twice a day if a 

524
00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:04,360
clock is. 
Broken and says it's. 6:30 that.

525
00:23:04,360 --> 00:23:06,840
Clock is going to be wrong 
almost all the time. 

526
00:23:07,120 --> 00:23:09,240
Until it's 6:30. 
And then it will be right for 

527
00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:11,360
one minute and that. 
Is Ray Dalio. 

528
00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:13,560
He's almost always. 
Wrong with his predictions. 

529
00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:15,120
You can look. 
Over his entire history. 

530
00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:17,800
And when he finally has 
something bad happen in the 

531
00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:19,480
economy, that's when he's 
finally. 

532
00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:21,680
Right. 
But overall, these predictions 

533
00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:23,600
are highly theoretical. 
There's a lot. 

534
00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:27,040
That the US can do to avoid 
these type of calamities and 

535
00:23:27,120 --> 00:23:28,600
talking about them this way, I 
think. 

536
00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:30,560
Overall is very good. 
To sell books. 

537
00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:33,400
Very good to get. 
Clicks very good to make it seem

538
00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:36,480
like you can see the future. 
And you have a bigger thought 

539
00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:38,800
process. 
On this, but in most cases it's 

540
00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:42,360
entirely unhelpful to investors 
in most cases. 

541
00:23:42,360 --> 00:23:45,880
The market goes up. 
In most cases, it's good to stay

542
00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:47,920
invested all the time if we 
look. 

543
00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:49,960
At an investor that's the 
opposite of Ray Dalio. 

544
00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:53,640
Someone that is optimistic, 
advocates staying in the market,

545
00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:56,800
advocates looking at things 
through the lens of repair and 

546
00:23:56,800 --> 00:23:58,760
recovery. 
That is Tom Lee. 

547
00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:03,040
The reason that Tom Lee is more.
Reliable than Ray Dalio is 

548
00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:05,920
because statistically. 
Being in the market all the 

549
00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:07,680
time. 
Is the more accurate. 

550
00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:09,840
And better choice than being 
concerned. 

551
00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:12,280
About stocks all the. 
Time staying out of the market 

552
00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:15,000
and trying to predict when 
there's a market crash coming. 

553
00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:17,560
So Tom Lee, statistically. 
By his. 

554
00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:20,240
Bullish stance by always being 
optimistic. 

555
00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:23,080
Will be far more. 
Correct than Ray Dalio. 

556
00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:25,920
He's kind of the inverse of the 
broken clock. 

557
00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:28,960
Tom Lee will be correct. 
Almost all the time. 

558
00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:31,800
Except for a few. 
So here Tom Lee is once again 

559
00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:35,160
talking constructively about how
he thinks now is a good time to 

560
00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:38,200
buy I. 
I do think markets are getting a

561
00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:40,760
little desensitized. 
What I mean, yeah, yeah. 

562
00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:46,720
And, and I think part of it is 
if someone had an investor hat 

563
00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:50,720
on, not tactical hat, you know, 
really good opportunities are 

564
00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:53,600
emerging because the number of 
stocks below the 200 day moving 

565
00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:57,360
average hit, it was like 15% 
historically. 

566
00:24:57,360 --> 00:25:00,720
That's a, a strong buy signal. 
I mean, you're going to find a 

567
00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:03,760
lot of bargains there. 
And the VIX got above 50 and it,

568
00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:08,200
it almost always pays you to buy
the stocks when VIX is above 50.

569
00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:13,360
But in the near term, it is a, 
it's a roller coaster. 

570
00:25:13,360 --> 00:25:17,640
I mean, it does feel like we're 
having a lot of zigs and zags 

571
00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:22,720
and even over the weekend. 
But to me, I think everything 

572
00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:26,320
that happened over weekend, 
including the Sunday, further 

573
00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:29,320
explanations, all of this is 
still unequivocally positive for

574
00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:31,560
stocks. 
Tom Lee is still undeterred from

575
00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:33,560
owning stocks. 
He also comments very 

576
00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:36,080
specifically on this whole. 
Idea that people are. 

577
00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:38,480
Abandoning the. 
US that people. 

578
00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:40,280
Don't want to do business with 
the USI? 

579
00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:43,360
Think that is the narrative at 
the moment that you know, US 

580
00:25:43,360 --> 00:25:46,400
exceptionalism is over and 
people are selling treasuries 

581
00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:51,080
and dollars to buy other assets.
But I'm I'm not in that camp 

582
00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:55,720
that it's sustainable because 
unless weaker dollar and higher 

583
00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:59,360
yield suddenly makes the best 
companies in the world outside 

584
00:25:59,360 --> 00:26:02,960
the US, you know, the best and 
the most important companies in 

585
00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:04,480
the world are American 
companies. 

586
00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:08,680
They've produced the best 
shareholder returns and you know

587
00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:13,240
if you look at the S&P, 40% of 
the returns of the S&P come from

588
00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:16,280
new companies every 10 years. 
Is there going to be suddenly 

589
00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:19,560
the best new company coming out 
of Europe instead of the US 

590
00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:21,640
because of the dollar? 
And I doubt it. 

591
00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:23,480
And I think U.S. companies are 
going to adapt. 

592
00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:26,840
Tom Lee's logic behind still 
staying in the US with your 

593
00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:28,720
investments makes perfect sense 
to me. 

594
00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:33,160
I agree with it 100% that right 
now in the world the US has the 

595
00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:34,640
best companies. 
That's almost. 

596
00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:36,640
Not even a point to argue. 
Look. 

597
00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:38,520
At all the best companies that 
give the best shareholder 

598
00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:42,640
returns, they're in the United 
States and even in the future, 

599
00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:45,120
you can look. 
At where risk capital is where 

600
00:26:45,120 --> 00:26:47,320
there's investor appetite, where
there's people. 

601
00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:49,920
Starting new businesses. 
Entrepreneurs all these 

602
00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:51,800
different. 
Software companies and AI 

603
00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:54,720
companies most of that is 
happening still in the United 

604
00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:58,080
states another way of looking at
this is Tom Lee's basically 

605
00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:00,720
arguing that the United. 
States if. 

606
00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:04,120
It was like a business. 
It's got a very good economic 

607
00:27:04,120 --> 00:27:09,200
Moat, It's a very good quality 
business and it can endure even 

608
00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:10,800
if a leadership. 
Is doing some crazy. 

609
00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:13,640
Things, even if they're just 
shooting from the hip from time 

610
00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:15,480
to time, the business will 
endure. 

611
00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:17,200
So I agree, and my money's going
to stay. 

612
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:19,520
Where I believe we have. 
The best companies in the world,

613
00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:21,360
and most of those are in the 
United States. 

614
00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:23,680
Now, finally, we get to a news. 
Story here that's just 

615
00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:26,320
incredible here's just the title
of it the. 

616
00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:29,000
AI shopping app found to be. 
Actually powered by. 

617
00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:32,680
Philippines call center workers 
Now that understates what's 

618
00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:36,400
going on a fintech founder in 
the US has been charged with 

619
00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:39,320
fraud after it was. 
Found that his artificial. 

620
00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:43,000
Intelligence Shopping app relied
heavily on the Philippines call 

621
00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:46,440
center employees to complete the
purchases manually. 

622
00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:47,760
So the app was. 
Reportedly. 

623
00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:51,520
Marketed as a universal shopping
cart app that simplified online 

624
00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:54,640
shopping by AI by enabling its. 
Users to skip. 

625
00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:57,920
The checkout on retail. 
Websites by reducing purchases. 

626
00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:01,160
To a single tap. 
For example, if someone wanted 

627
00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:02,960
to buy a their sneakers for 
instance. 

628
00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:05,880
They could just buy the. 
Sneakers by opening the Nate app

629
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:07,840
and clicking Buy. 
The. 

630
00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:11,080
App claimed it would take. 
Care of the remainder of the 

631
00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:13,560
checkout. 
Using AI such as quote 

632
00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:15,280
selecting. 
The appropriate. 

633
00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:17,560
Size, entering billing 
information and shipping 

634
00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:19,800
information and confirming the 
purchase. 

635
00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:22,600
So that was the whole premise of
this app is. 

636
00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:24,920
That you you basically. 
Have an app, you go in and you 

637
00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:26,880
just click on an item, click 
buy. 

638
00:28:27,120 --> 00:28:29,200
You don't have to go through any
of the sizing or checkout 

639
00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:30,960
options. 
Artificial intelligence would do

640
00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:32,360
that. 
For you in truth. 

641
00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:36,600
Nate relied heavily on teams of 
human workers, primarily located

642
00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:40,200
overseas, to manually process 
transactions in secret. 

643
00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:42,320
Mimicking what? 
Users believed was. 

644
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:45,560
Being done by automation. 
Hundreds of contractors or 

645
00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:47,720
quote. 
Purchasing assistance in the 

646
00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:49,680
Philippines and call. 
Centers were. 

647
00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:51,560
Working to manually. 
Complete the purchases. 

648
00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:54,520
Occurring over the Nate app, the
investigation found now the 

649
00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:56,600
Department of. 
Justice tried to estimate. 

650
00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:59,040
How much of the actual? 
Purchases were completed by 

651
00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:01,080
Artificial. 
Intelligence and not humans. 

652
00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:04,400
And they said it was around 0%. 
I would love. 

653
00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:08,120
To just ask this. 
Founder What was the plan here? 

654
00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:09,680
When did he? 
Realize this was. 

655
00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:11,600
All going to cave in. 
He couldn't have fully. 

656
00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:14,720
Expected it to work out to. 
Promise to people was. 

657
00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:17,680
All driven by artificial. 
Intelligence while secretly 

658
00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:19,560
having the Philippines complete 
the. 

659
00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:22,280
Purchases. 
At some point he had a no. 

660
00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:24,400
He was way in over his head and 
the. 

661
00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:26,200
The ruse was up, the the jig was
up. 

662
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:27,440
This isn't going to work 
forever. 

663
00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:30,720
I'd love to know when that was. 
So hopefully we get some type of

664
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:33,520
documentary, something small 
that explains this in greater 

665
00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:35,880
detail, because I'd. 
Love to get the bigger story. 

666
00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:38,000
Behind it, but that's going to 
be for this episode. 

667
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:39,720
Hope you enjoyed seeing the next
one.

