1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:03,240 Elon Musk, he's thinking about how to get to Mars. 2 00:00:03,560 --> 00:00:06,600 He didn't start there. He started with just figuring 3 00:00:06,600 --> 00:00:09,720 out how to do coding or how to do engineering stuff. 4 00:00:09,720 --> 00:00:12,960 At some point he had to learn the very foundational basics. 5 00:00:13,160 --> 00:00:14,800 And that's what all of us have to do. 6 00:00:14,800 --> 00:00:18,680 And I want to encourage those to not be afraid of misstepping or 7 00:00:18,680 --> 00:00:21,080 making a wrong move. Because even when Adam Curry was 8 00:00:21,080 --> 00:00:23,960 sharing his story, he didn't get saved till like 3 or 4 years 9 00:00:23,960 --> 00:00:26,040 ago. But he looked back over his life 10 00:00:26,200 --> 00:00:29,360 and he was like, I can see how God was still ordering my steps 11 00:00:29,360 --> 00:00:32,600 as an unsafe, saved person knowing He had a purpose for me. 12 00:00:32,720 --> 00:00:35,240 And all of those seasons move together. 13 00:00:35,680 --> 00:00:39,760 Hey friend, welcome to the Free to Lead podcast, the place where 14 00:00:39,760 --> 00:00:43,000 we go deep and uncover what's really holding us back from 15 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:46,400 walking confidently in our call and our identity in Christ. 16 00:00:46,640 --> 00:00:50,160 I'm your host, Catherine May, a transformational life coach on a 17 00:00:50,160 --> 00:00:53,440 mission to help growth minded, high achieving women just like 18 00:00:53,440 --> 00:00:57,320 you to break free and lead from a place of peace, clarity and 19 00:00:57,320 --> 00:00:59,200 freedom. I know what it's like to keep 20 00:00:59,200 --> 00:01:02,520 striving, to keep showing up, to keep doing more, all while 21 00:01:02,520 --> 00:01:05,760 wondering if it is ever going to feel like enough. 22 00:01:05,800 --> 00:01:08,680 You're not alone in that. This is the space where we get 23 00:01:08,680 --> 00:01:12,280 honest about those struggles, invite God into the mess, and 24 00:01:12,280 --> 00:01:15,840 discover practical ways to live with more peace, joy, and 25 00:01:15,840 --> 00:01:18,600 purpose. Together, we'll tackle the lies, 26 00:01:18,640 --> 00:01:21,800 the limiting beliefs, and the habits that keep you stuck so 27 00:01:21,800 --> 00:01:24,960 that you can lead with true freedom and confidence in 28 00:01:24,960 --> 00:01:27,200 Christ. So take a deep breath, settle 29 00:01:27,200 --> 00:01:29,960 in, and let's dive into today's conversation. 30 00:01:32,520 --> 00:01:37,160 Today, I'm so excited to welcome Jenna Lee Samuel to the show. 31 00:01:37,440 --> 00:01:41,840 Jenna Lee is the host of the Java with Jen podcast, a top 1% 32 00:01:41,840 --> 00:01:46,160 globally ranked show that's been hurting over 116 countries. 33 00:01:46,160 --> 00:01:49,320 She's passionate about helping Christians learn to recognize 34 00:01:49,320 --> 00:01:52,880 and respond to God's voice in everyday life, and now she 35 00:01:52,880 --> 00:01:56,840 coaches authors, speakers, and entrepreneurs to use podcasting 36 00:01:56,840 --> 00:01:58,960 as a way to multiply their message. 37 00:01:59,240 --> 00:02:02,640 What I love the most about her story is that her journey began 38 00:02:02,640 --> 00:02:05,640 in a season when she felt like there really wasn't space for 39 00:02:05,640 --> 00:02:07,920 her gifts. And instead of shrinking back, 40 00:02:07,920 --> 00:02:12,400 she said yes to God in a new way and open doors she never could 41 00:02:12,400 --> 00:02:15,280 have imagined. Today we're diving into how 42 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:18,920 hearing God's voice and giving him your yes can completely 43 00:02:18,920 --> 00:02:21,760 shift the way you lead, serve, and live. 44 00:02:21,760 --> 00:02:25,320 So, Lee, welcome to the show. Thank you so much for taking the 45 00:02:25,320 --> 00:02:28,560 time to share with us today. A. 100% thank you for that 46 00:02:28,560 --> 00:02:30,000 beautiful introduction. It's. 47 00:02:30,880 --> 00:02:35,280 So, you know, you said that you couldn't find a pulpit, so you 48 00:02:35,280 --> 00:02:38,760 started a podcast. When I read that, I was like, 49 00:02:38,760 --> 00:02:41,040 wow, yeah, absolutely. That is amazing. 50 00:02:41,280 --> 00:02:44,160 And now your voice is heard in over 116 countries. 51 00:02:44,440 --> 00:02:46,960 Could you take us back to that moment? 52 00:02:47,120 --> 00:02:49,560 What was going through your heart when you realized that you 53 00:02:49,560 --> 00:02:52,280 had to find a new way to say yes to God? 54 00:02:52,800 --> 00:02:56,960 Yeah, so I knew that I was called to be a communicator from 55 00:02:56,960 --> 00:03:00,720 the time I was around 16. And so I thought marrying a 56 00:03:00,720 --> 00:03:03,840 pastor would bring me into my promised land, right? 57 00:03:03,840 --> 00:03:05,280 It would be. That was the dream. 58 00:03:05,600 --> 00:03:08,560 And I think the vision I had in my heart is still the vision. 59 00:03:08,800 --> 00:03:11,760 But you know, a lot of times the journey that the Lord takes us 60 00:03:11,760 --> 00:03:15,880 on to get to the ultimate vision has like so many what feels like 61 00:03:15,880 --> 00:03:19,400 detours and side rails and off rails and off roading and all 62 00:03:19,400 --> 00:03:20,880 the things. And we're like, Oh my gosh, what 63 00:03:20,880 --> 00:03:23,360 is this? And so, yeah, when I, when I 64 00:03:23,360 --> 00:03:26,960 married my husband, I had this naive 20 something year old 65 00:03:26,960 --> 00:03:31,240 mindset that because I have the gifts in me to do this, surely 66 00:03:31,240 --> 00:03:33,640 people will just invite me to do the thing. 67 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:38,160 And after about 10 years of being married to him, not having 68 00:03:38,160 --> 00:03:42,160 a pulpit available, there was about a two-month period where 69 00:03:42,160 --> 00:03:47,920 I, I started to subscribe to a lie that people, men or people 70 00:03:47,920 --> 00:03:50,920 could stand in the way of me fulfilling the call of God in my 71 00:03:50,920 --> 00:03:52,480 life. It's about two months. 72 00:03:52,480 --> 00:03:55,640 It was a very depressing, dark two months believing that lie, 73 00:03:55,640 --> 00:03:58,600 because that's a very hopeless place to live and a very 74 00:03:58,600 --> 00:04:02,280 hopeless thing to subscribe to. And then one day though, it was 75 00:04:02,280 --> 00:04:05,120 like the Holy Spirit just dropped this aha in my spirit, 76 00:04:05,120 --> 00:04:08,320 where I realized one day I'm going to stand before the Lord 77 00:04:08,840 --> 00:04:12,480 and he's going to ask me what I did with what He put in me. 78 00:04:12,840 --> 00:04:14,640 And I'm going to have to give an account. 79 00:04:14,720 --> 00:04:18,360 And I'm not going to be able to make excuses or blame anyone 80 00:04:18,560 --> 00:04:20,959 like Adam and Eve tried. I'm not going to be able to 81 00:04:20,959 --> 00:04:24,000 blame and point the finger. I'm going to have to answer for 82 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:26,880 what I did. And I realized it's on me. 83 00:04:27,200 --> 00:04:30,320 I've got to figure out a way to have an outlet for my voice. 84 00:04:30,320 --> 00:04:33,520 And at that time, you tubing was definitely all the rage. 85 00:04:33,520 --> 00:04:36,680 Blogging was more of a thing. Podcasting was more of a whisper 86 00:04:36,680 --> 00:04:38,800 of a thing. It wasn't as big of a deal as it 87 00:04:38,800 --> 00:04:41,320 is now. It's back in 2016 when I decided 88 00:04:41,320 --> 00:04:43,880 to do this. And so I just decided at a 89 00:04:43,880 --> 00:04:46,760 kitchen table with a friend of mine, we were shifting in in 90 00:04:46,760 --> 00:04:50,200 leadership at our church and we were shifting out of a position 91 00:04:50,200 --> 00:04:53,960 where I did have an outlet with the women there to disciple and 92 00:04:53,960 --> 00:04:56,200 mentor. And the position we were moving 93 00:04:56,200 --> 00:04:59,160 into, there was no space for me. It was going to just be my 94 00:04:59,160 --> 00:05:01,840 husband's role. And there was no built in place 95 00:05:01,840 --> 00:05:03,880 for me. And I just knew I was like, I'm 96 00:05:03,880 --> 00:05:07,760 going to need an outlet. And so I said it was like 2 in 97 00:05:07,760 --> 00:05:09,240 the morning. We were up talking and I just 98 00:05:09,240 --> 00:05:10,760 said I'm going to start a podcast. 99 00:05:11,040 --> 00:05:14,320 And once it came out of my mouth, I felt obligated and and 100 00:05:14,320 --> 00:05:16,960 like had a responsibility. And so that started the path. 101 00:05:16,960 --> 00:05:18,880 But the, the journey was very bumpy. 102 00:05:18,880 --> 00:05:22,920 I think a month after I started, quote, started my podcast, not 103 00:05:22,920 --> 00:05:25,520 knowing what the heck I was doing, our house flooded in 104 00:05:25,520 --> 00:05:29,040 Hurricane Harvey and we spent a year rebuilding our lives. 105 00:05:29,040 --> 00:05:31,760 And it was a beautiful season as only the Lord can do. 106 00:05:31,760 --> 00:05:35,920 But it was, you know, a lot. And then about 10 months, I was 107 00:05:35,920 --> 00:05:38,600 limping my way trying to figure out how to podcast. 108 00:05:38,880 --> 00:05:40,920 And then we took a sabbatical for a year. 109 00:05:40,960 --> 00:05:42,520 And so I stepped away from it again. 110 00:05:42,880 --> 00:05:46,880 And so the getting the engine started on the podcast was very 111 00:05:46,920 --> 00:05:50,400 tumultuous. But in 2020, the Lord was like, 112 00:05:50,520 --> 00:05:52,680 do weekly episodes, make it happen? 113 00:05:52,680 --> 00:05:55,360 And I was like, OK, so yeah, that's where we are now. 114 00:05:56,000 --> 00:05:57,800 Yeah, wow. That's that's a lot. 115 00:05:58,040 --> 00:06:01,800 And you know, I love that your journey is that it was a slow go 116 00:06:01,840 --> 00:06:04,880 and a lot of stuff going back and forth and going on. 117 00:06:04,880 --> 00:06:08,840 But you were obedient to what came out of your mouth, right? 118 00:06:08,840 --> 00:06:12,040 You felt that responsibility. But for the woman listening 119 00:06:12,040 --> 00:06:15,080 right now, who she kind of feels like there's something in her 120 00:06:15,080 --> 00:06:17,280 spirit, too that she should do. Like what you were saying. 121 00:06:17,280 --> 00:06:19,640 Like, I knew I had this calling, but I couldn't find my place. 122 00:06:20,200 --> 00:06:23,480 She maybe even feels like, do I hear correctly from God about 123 00:06:23,480 --> 00:06:25,240 this? Because I can't seem to find my 124 00:06:25,240 --> 00:06:27,200 place. So maybe this isn't him, it's 125 00:06:27,200 --> 00:06:29,640 me. So for that woman who's longing 126 00:06:29,640 --> 00:06:33,480 for clarity in what she's hearing but isn't really sure 127 00:06:33,480 --> 00:06:36,640 she's hearing God, what were some of the first ways that you 128 00:06:36,640 --> 00:06:39,920 learned to recognize His voice in your own life so that you 129 00:06:39,920 --> 00:06:43,320 could be obedient to that? Honestly, learning to hear the 130 00:06:43,320 --> 00:06:47,000 Lord's voice, I feel like my whole life I've had a belief 131 00:06:47,040 --> 00:06:50,120 that God is going to speak to us because, A, we're his children 132 00:06:50,720 --> 00:06:52,640 and B, he did it all over in Scripture. 133 00:06:52,640 --> 00:06:56,600 So I always had this confidence that it just logically made 134 00:06:56,600 --> 00:06:59,600 sense that he would speak to us. We have a spirit in US. 135 00:06:59,600 --> 00:07:02,200 You know, I grew up in kind of Baptisty circles when I was 136 00:07:02,200 --> 00:07:04,920 younger because we were missionaries and it's not a 137 00:07:04,920 --> 00:07:10,360 common conversation or practice or taught necessarily. 138 00:07:10,360 --> 00:07:13,760 I mean, yes, Baptist will say, yeah, God talks to me, but maybe 139 00:07:13,760 --> 00:07:15,760 not in the same way that charismatics would be 140 00:07:15,760 --> 00:07:19,280 referencing that concept. So different denominations feel 141 00:07:19,280 --> 00:07:21,040 a little differently or I exercise it a little 142 00:07:21,040 --> 00:07:23,920 differently, but I think what I found is all denominations agree 143 00:07:23,920 --> 00:07:27,000 God does communicate with his children one way or another, 144 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:30,080 whether it's through scripture or a direct, direct download or 145 00:07:30,080 --> 00:07:34,720 through dreams or whatever. And so for me, actually there 146 00:07:34,720 --> 00:07:38,920 was a, there was a season when I was in college and I actually 147 00:07:38,920 --> 00:07:42,640 didn't like praying. I, I had heard people talk about 148 00:07:42,640 --> 00:07:44,800 prayer and intercession, like it sounded like this horrible, 149 00:07:44,960 --> 00:07:48,800 travailing, arduous thing. And I was like, who wants to do 150 00:07:48,800 --> 00:07:49,680 that? Sounds terrible. 151 00:07:50,040 --> 00:07:53,560 And, and so I asked the Lord, I said, Lord, to be a good 152 00:07:53,560 --> 00:07:55,240 Christian, I probably need to like praying. 153 00:07:55,240 --> 00:07:57,240 So could you teach me how to enjoy praying? 154 00:07:57,640 --> 00:08:00,960 And the Holy Spirit spoke to my heart, which I just, I, I guess 155 00:08:00,960 --> 00:08:04,200 I had come to recognize it's and my confidence in hearing his 156 00:08:04,200 --> 00:08:05,360 voice. It's not black and white. 157 00:08:05,360 --> 00:08:09,720 It's like on a spectrum of Gray. And sometimes it's a lot more 158 00:08:09,920 --> 00:08:12,560 noticeable and sometimes it's more like, was that you, Lord? 159 00:08:12,640 --> 00:08:15,080 I think maybe you know, and so there's a spectrum. 160 00:08:15,080 --> 00:08:17,600 And so I don't want people to think it's like a, a switch you 161 00:08:17,600 --> 00:08:19,120 flipped. You either know his voice and 162 00:08:19,120 --> 00:08:21,160 you don't. It's not that distinct. 163 00:08:21,160 --> 00:08:24,160 It's, it's a spectrum of learning to discern how and when 164 00:08:24,160 --> 00:08:26,640 he's speaking because there are lots of ways he speaks to us. 165 00:08:27,320 --> 00:08:30,560 But in that moment, he said, generally, I want you to spend 166 00:08:30,600 --> 00:08:33,720 20 minutes a day in prayer. It doesn't sound like much, but 167 00:08:33,720 --> 00:08:36,559 it's going to change your life. And when he told me that, I was 168 00:08:36,559 --> 00:08:38,919 like, I got to do 20 minutes, OK, that sounds good. 169 00:08:38,919 --> 00:08:42,159 And so after about 3 days, I kind of had run out of things to 170 00:08:42,159 --> 00:08:43,400 pray about. Of course, I didn't have prayer 171 00:08:43,400 --> 00:08:45,000 life. So for about 3 days I had lots 172 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:47,160 of things to pray about. But after that, I was kind of 173 00:08:47,160 --> 00:08:48,320 like, well, what do I pray about now? 174 00:08:48,600 --> 00:08:51,280 And, you know, at 18 minutes left on the clock. 175 00:08:51,280 --> 00:08:53,520 And I was like, OK, Lord. And so I just was like, well, 176 00:08:53,520 --> 00:08:55,560 Lord, what's on your heart? Like, is there anything you want 177 00:08:55,560 --> 00:08:58,760 me to pray for? And someone real faint. 178 00:08:58,760 --> 00:09:02,400 And I liken it to like in the early fall when the leaves just 179 00:09:02,400 --> 00:09:06,760 really lightly blow across the across your view, you know, or 180 00:09:06,880 --> 00:09:08,680 across the footpath. It's just real light. 181 00:09:08,680 --> 00:09:10,280 They're just getting tossed by a breeze. 182 00:09:10,600 --> 00:09:13,120 That's kind of what it feels like when the Lord speaks to 183 00:09:13,120 --> 00:09:14,440 you. It's real gentle like that. 184 00:09:14,760 --> 00:09:18,920 And, and so he would drop these people in my mind and, and maybe 185 00:09:18,920 --> 00:09:20,240 I didn't even know them very well. 186 00:09:20,240 --> 00:09:23,080 So I wouldn't know what to pray. And so I'd say, well, Lord, OK, 187 00:09:23,800 --> 00:09:26,160 Siobhan, what would you like me to pray for Siobhan? 188 00:09:26,160 --> 00:09:27,680 I don't know what's going on in her life. 189 00:09:27,680 --> 00:09:31,080 And then I would get an impression of, of maybe finances 190 00:09:31,080 --> 00:09:32,920 or whatever. And, and I thought it was almost 191 00:09:32,920 --> 00:09:35,400 like little bread crumbs. And I would take the breadcrumb 192 00:09:35,400 --> 00:09:37,800 and kind of lean in a little further, like, well, what about 193 00:09:37,800 --> 00:09:39,440 that? Is there more to that? 194 00:09:39,440 --> 00:09:41,680 What else should I be? And so it's almost like 195 00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:45,360 sometimes people will just take what he gives at first glance 196 00:09:45,360 --> 00:09:48,080 and go and just say think that's the only thing he wants to 197 00:09:48,080 --> 00:09:50,240 share. But I find that the Lord loves 198 00:09:50,240 --> 00:09:53,120 to invite us into further and further conversation and and 199 00:09:53,120 --> 00:09:55,160 he'll continue to speak to you if you continue to ask 200 00:09:55,160 --> 00:09:56,960 questions. So anyways, that began the 201 00:09:56,960 --> 00:10:01,160 journey though, of me acclimating to hearing his voice 202 00:10:01,160 --> 00:10:04,960 in an active, regular way. And that actually trained me to 203 00:10:04,960 --> 00:10:07,560 hear his voice because I simply didn't know what to pray. 204 00:10:07,880 --> 00:10:11,120 And so I would ask him what to pray and he would drop ideas, 205 00:10:11,120 --> 00:10:13,240 drop thoughts. So it, it conditioned me to 206 00:10:13,320 --> 00:10:15,440 begin to recognize the difference between my own 207 00:10:15,440 --> 00:10:18,600 thoughts and my spirit. Sometimes I would imagine myself 208 00:10:18,600 --> 00:10:22,840 putting my ear down to my spirit and listening from there, or 209 00:10:22,840 --> 00:10:25,320 putting my ear to God's chest and listening from there. 210 00:10:25,320 --> 00:10:27,200 So those visuals kind of helped me a little. 211 00:10:27,200 --> 00:10:29,360 But yeah, it was trial and error, you know, You know, 212 00:10:29,360 --> 00:10:32,480 sometimes I would step out and say something and, and maybe it 213 00:10:32,480 --> 00:10:35,760 was a miss, but most times it was, it was accurate, so. 214 00:10:36,360 --> 00:10:39,520 I think discernment is a muscle that we have to learn to 215 00:10:39,520 --> 00:10:43,080 exercise, and it gets stronger with practice. 216 00:10:43,680 --> 00:10:46,560 I love that visualization. That's so cool. 217 00:10:46,560 --> 00:10:49,760 That's really cool. So yeah, that's amazing. 218 00:10:49,760 --> 00:10:54,760 But I'm sure that you battled some risk taking thoughts, 219 00:10:54,760 --> 00:10:56,400 right? Like some fears, some limiting 220 00:10:56,400 --> 00:10:59,720 beliefs that you had to push past in order to say yes to 221 00:10:59,720 --> 00:11:03,760 podcasting. So how did God meet you there in 222 00:11:03,760 --> 00:11:05,400 order for you to push past those? 223 00:11:05,880 --> 00:11:09,120 I have come to learn and that that journey into podcasting was 224 00:11:09,120 --> 00:11:11,640 very eye opening for me. I'll make 2 points here. 225 00:11:11,680 --> 00:11:16,480 I'm a firm believer that we have a responsibility to steward 226 00:11:16,480 --> 00:11:19,440 what's in US and that's going to require some risk. 227 00:11:19,840 --> 00:11:22,520 If there's no risk, you're probably not stewarding 228 00:11:22,520 --> 00:11:26,320 anything. For me it was it was just figure 229 00:11:26,320 --> 00:11:28,600 out how to do it. So I have wanted to quit my 230 00:11:28,600 --> 00:11:33,360 podcast probably every month since it started because, you 231 00:11:33,360 --> 00:11:36,080 know, you go, if you're living for the downloads and there's no 232 00:11:36,080 --> 00:11:38,600 downloads that day, you're like, what am I doing with my life? 233 00:11:38,600 --> 00:11:43,120 You know, and, and so just having to learn to just keep 234 00:11:43,120 --> 00:11:45,920 going, just keep doing the Dang thing and figure it out. 235 00:11:45,920 --> 00:11:48,920 But something that brought me a lot of comfort was the parable 236 00:11:48,920 --> 00:11:52,560 of the talents as I was reading it one day and the parable of 237 00:11:52,560 --> 00:11:54,680 the talents, for those who are unfamiliar, there's three 238 00:11:54,680 --> 00:11:58,440 servants and the master comes and he gives them each a portion 239 00:11:58,440 --> 00:12:01,600 of money to steward. One of them was one, one was 240 00:12:01,600 --> 00:12:03,640 3/1, was 5. There's another version that has 241 00:12:03,640 --> 00:12:06,320 different numbers, but they had different proportions. 242 00:12:06,320 --> 00:12:09,160 That said, according to their skill, according to the level of 243 00:12:09,160 --> 00:12:11,880 their skill. And so the Lord knew or the 244 00:12:11,880 --> 00:12:14,760 master in this parable understood, they're only each 245 00:12:14,760 --> 00:12:16,720 capable of a certain amount of stewardship. 246 00:12:17,000 --> 00:12:20,640 And so he said, here's money, I'm going on a trip, do 247 00:12:20,640 --> 00:12:22,960 something with the money. I'll be back to check in. 248 00:12:23,520 --> 00:12:26,400 That's all he told them. That's literally all he told 249 00:12:26,400 --> 00:12:28,200 them. And the first guy who was given 250 00:12:28,200 --> 00:12:32,440 the least amount, he had fear of man and fear of risk. 251 00:12:32,680 --> 00:12:34,640 And so he went and buried his talents. 252 00:12:34,640 --> 00:12:36,640 He said, well, at least this way, you know, I know he's a 253 00:12:36,640 --> 00:12:39,240 harsh taskmaster, so when he comes back, I'll be able to give 254 00:12:39,240 --> 00:12:42,000 him his money back. The other two went and invested 255 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:45,600 their money did took some risk with it and multiplied it and 256 00:12:45,600 --> 00:12:47,320 made it double what it had started. 257 00:12:47,440 --> 00:12:50,640 So when the master comes back, he says to the guy who buried 258 00:12:50,640 --> 00:12:54,320 it, you're a wicked, lazy, unfaithful servant, you should 259 00:12:54,320 --> 00:12:56,760 have at least put it in the bank where I could gain interest, 260 00:12:56,960 --> 00:12:59,600 right? So he was like, your fear made 261 00:12:59,600 --> 00:13:03,240 you wicked, lazy and unfaithful. So he took what he had given him 262 00:13:03,520 --> 00:13:05,520 away and gave it to the guy with the most. 263 00:13:05,640 --> 00:13:08,880 And then the other two, he said you have been faithful with 264 00:13:08,880 --> 00:13:12,160 little, now you inherit cities. So the guy that he was given 265 00:13:12,160 --> 00:13:14,760 three, he said now run three cities. 266 00:13:14,960 --> 00:13:17,760 The other guy was given 5 and now you can run 5 cities. 267 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:21,720 And So what we do with God's, with what God has put in our 268 00:13:21,720 --> 00:13:25,680 hands, a it's our responsibility not to just give it back to him. 269 00:13:25,840 --> 00:13:28,840 If you just give it back to him and that's all that was 270 00:13:28,840 --> 00:13:31,040 required, then that guy that buried it would have been 271 00:13:31,040 --> 00:13:33,600 considered faithful. But we're not required to just 272 00:13:33,600 --> 00:13:36,560 give it back. We're required to take dominion 273 00:13:36,560 --> 00:13:39,760 in the earth, which requires multiplication and expansion. 274 00:13:39,960 --> 00:13:43,280 And so you are meant to multiply what's on your life. 275 00:13:43,480 --> 00:13:46,800 And we live in a time where there are so many resources at 276 00:13:46,800 --> 00:13:50,360 our fingertips to do that. We will have no excuse for doing 277 00:13:50,360 --> 00:13:52,800 nothing. And if fear is the barrier, you 278 00:13:52,800 --> 00:13:55,360 need to think very, very strong and heavy. 279 00:13:55,600 --> 00:13:58,280 Am I okay with the fact that I'm a stand before the Lord and have 280 00:13:58,280 --> 00:14:00,880 fear as an excuse? Because you're going to give an 281 00:14:00,880 --> 00:14:02,800 answer right now. The other thing I want to 282 00:14:02,800 --> 00:14:06,400 highlight about that parable, the master did not micromanage 283 00:14:06,480 --> 00:14:09,360 how they used the money. He didn't tell them a business 284 00:14:09,360 --> 00:14:11,440 to start. He didn't make suggestions. 285 00:14:11,600 --> 00:14:15,240 He didn't say how to multiply. He didn't even say multiply it. 286 00:14:15,240 --> 00:14:17,040 He just said do something with it. 287 00:14:17,080 --> 00:14:21,000 And so he literally, it was such a hands off experience and he 288 00:14:21,000 --> 00:14:23,880 left them to their own ingenuity and their own creativity. 289 00:14:24,120 --> 00:14:26,720 And I find that a lot of times as Christians, we kind of 290 00:14:26,800 --> 00:14:31,320 idolize clarity for the sake of I want to obey God And so I want 291 00:14:31,320 --> 00:14:33,600 to make sure I'm following his very instruction. 292 00:14:33,960 --> 00:14:38,240 But really, sometimes we end up idolizing clarity when it's 293 00:14:38,240 --> 00:14:41,760 really we're masquerading fear, we're masking fear. 294 00:14:42,040 --> 00:14:45,560 And so I want to encourage those who are listening, risk is going 295 00:14:45,560 --> 00:14:47,960 to feel scary. Risk is going to feel like I 296 00:14:47,960 --> 00:14:51,120 don't know what I'm doing. But the beautiful thing is if 297 00:14:51,120 --> 00:14:54,000 you do something that you're just capable of doing, you're 298 00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:55,520 probably not dreaming big enough. 299 00:14:55,880 --> 00:14:58,040 Like you should be stepping out of your comfort zone. 300 00:14:58,040 --> 00:15:00,840 You should be doing something that feels new and and 301 00:15:00,840 --> 00:15:04,160 explorative, but that uses your gifts, you know, so there will 302 00:15:04,160 --> 00:15:07,120 be a natural to it because you're using your gifts. 303 00:15:07,640 --> 00:15:10,600 So anyways, that was very eye opening for me and made me feel 304 00:15:10,600 --> 00:15:14,120 better about the fact that with podcasting, I never heard God 305 00:15:14,120 --> 00:15:17,920 say start a podcast. I just decided to start one 306 00:15:17,920 --> 00:15:20,600 because it seems like a quiet little place on the Internet. 307 00:15:20,600 --> 00:15:25,000 I could hide and just steward my gifts, you know, But the Lord 308 00:15:25,000 --> 00:15:27,040 knew better. He knew that I would pivot and 309 00:15:27,040 --> 00:15:30,040 he guided me in that direction. And so I just want to encourage 310 00:15:30,040 --> 00:15:32,560 those who are listening. The path is rarely very, very 311 00:15:32,560 --> 00:15:34,160 clear. It's usually one. 312 00:15:34,280 --> 00:15:37,240 What's your bet, next best step? That's usually what it comes 313 00:15:37,240 --> 00:15:39,320 down to. What's your next best step? 314 00:15:39,360 --> 00:15:42,440 And step there and trust the Lord to order your steps, you 315 00:15:42,440 --> 00:15:44,120 know? And so I hope that answers your. 316 00:15:44,120 --> 00:15:45,560 Question. Oh my goodness, yes, that's 317 00:15:45,560 --> 00:15:48,760 fantastic. You said so many beautiful 318 00:15:48,760 --> 00:15:52,160 Nuggets in there, like seeking clarity is often a mask for 319 00:15:52,160 --> 00:15:53,800 fear. I wrote that down like, that's 320 00:15:53,800 --> 00:15:57,360 really good. And the reason for that, I think 321 00:15:57,360 --> 00:16:00,600 in most women, and you may have experienced this as well, isn't 322 00:16:00,600 --> 00:16:03,800 that they're necessarily looking for the clarity. 323 00:16:04,080 --> 00:16:09,080 They're seeking confidence in their identity. 324 00:16:09,480 --> 00:16:14,360 They're seeking to know that they're enough just as they are. 325 00:16:14,360 --> 00:16:19,480 And that is the thing that keeps most women from moving forward 326 00:16:19,480 --> 00:16:23,760 is that they're really not certain of who they truly are as 327 00:16:23,800 --> 00:16:25,840 a son. I know that we're women and 328 00:16:25,840 --> 00:16:27,560 we're caught. We call ourselves daughters of 329 00:16:27,560 --> 00:16:29,400 the Most High King, and that's OK. 330 00:16:29,640 --> 00:16:34,560 But ultimately we're sons and that brings us up to a level of 331 00:16:34,560 --> 00:16:39,200 inheritance and authority and a position that we don't often 332 00:16:39,200 --> 00:16:41,160 operate in. And that fear of making the 333 00:16:41,160 --> 00:16:46,960 wrong decision leads us to inaction because the only way to 334 00:16:46,960 --> 00:16:51,000 know if it's quote UN quote right anyway is to do something. 335 00:16:51,280 --> 00:16:52,680 You'll never know until you test it. 336 00:16:52,680 --> 00:16:56,680 I mean, scientists get it wrong all the time because they 337 00:16:56,680 --> 00:16:59,560 hypothesize that means they're just giving it their best guess 338 00:16:59,560 --> 00:17:03,120 and then they're trying some stuff, right, Just testing it 339 00:17:03,120 --> 00:17:05,400 out. So when we don't move forward in 340 00:17:05,400 --> 00:17:08,440 that, you're right. And I've been in that so many 341 00:17:08,440 --> 00:17:11,240 times where I'm like, do I have what it takes? 342 00:17:11,240 --> 00:17:14,119 And it's like, really, honestly, it doesn't even matter if I have 343 00:17:14,119 --> 00:17:17,400 what it takes. If I feel pulled in a direction 344 00:17:17,400 --> 00:17:21,040 to do something and I'm lacking in some way, God's going to show 345 00:17:21,040 --> 00:17:24,160 up and He's going to fill in all the spaces that I'm lacking, 346 00:17:24,160 --> 00:17:28,079 which are many. And I don't have to know it all, 347 00:17:28,079 --> 00:17:29,680 be it all and have it all together. 348 00:17:30,200 --> 00:17:34,120 I just need to show up and he's going to Polish and do all the 349 00:17:34,120 --> 00:17:36,480 other stuff, you know, and break, you know, that 350 00:17:36,480 --> 00:17:39,680 perfectionism. So I want to ask you, looking 351 00:17:39,680 --> 00:17:44,240 back since 2016 to here we are almost 10 years later, what has 352 00:17:44,240 --> 00:17:48,680 surprised you the most about what God has done with your yes? 353 00:17:49,240 --> 00:17:54,040 Oh man, so many things. I feel like internally what has 354 00:17:54,040 --> 00:17:57,880 changed the most is I feel like taking this journey has very 355 00:17:57,880 --> 00:18:00,600 much expanded me into that confidence. 356 00:18:00,600 --> 00:18:04,440 So I didn't start with it. I started feeling very much like 357 00:18:04,440 --> 00:18:09,160 a fraud and imposter and like I was a pretender for probably 358 00:18:09,480 --> 00:18:14,600 until I hit about 100 episodes. I felt like an imposter, like I 359 00:18:14,600 --> 00:18:17,000 was pretending and people were just humoring me. 360 00:18:17,320 --> 00:18:19,680 Even my husband at many times would be like, OK, you need to 361 00:18:19,680 --> 00:18:20,840 quit this whole podcasting thing. 362 00:18:20,840 --> 00:18:23,000 It's ridiculous. And he would put pressure on me 363 00:18:23,200 --> 00:18:26,280 to step away and go get a quote real job that was going to pay 364 00:18:26,280 --> 00:18:29,840 me $10.00 an hour, you know, And so I was like, oh, and so I had 365 00:18:29,840 --> 00:18:32,880 to work with that as well. It wasn't until I think Sean 366 00:18:32,880 --> 00:18:36,640 Bowles and I connected and we started collaborating that my 367 00:18:36,640 --> 00:18:38,160 husband was like, oh, wait a second. 368 00:18:38,240 --> 00:18:42,120 And I started having even some of his heroes of the faith on my 369 00:18:42,120 --> 00:18:44,360 podcast. I, I think suddenly he was like, 370 00:18:44,360 --> 00:18:48,280 oh, so there is a process, there is a journey, and it may take a 371 00:18:48,280 --> 00:18:52,480 while before you actually feel like you belong in the shoes 372 00:18:52,480 --> 00:18:54,800 you're wearing. It can take some time. 373 00:18:55,040 --> 00:18:57,800 And because I didn't know what I was doing, I didn't know how to 374 00:18:57,800 --> 00:18:59,240 podcast. I didn't know how to grow a 375 00:18:59,240 --> 00:19:00,360 show. I didn't know how to create good 376 00:19:00,360 --> 00:19:01,840 content. I didn't even know what a 377 00:19:01,840 --> 00:19:04,960 stinking RSS feed was. You know, like I didn't know any 378 00:19:04,960 --> 00:19:07,000 of this stuff and I had to learn all of it. 379 00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:11,200 So in that regard, my expansion on the inside, I'm smarter than 380 00:19:11,200 --> 00:19:14,280 I was 10 years ago because I've had to learn so many things. 381 00:19:14,600 --> 00:19:18,400 But the thing that I appreciate the most is that I've come to 382 00:19:18,400 --> 00:19:21,880 the point where used to be fear was a real big struggle. 383 00:19:21,880 --> 00:19:25,200 Fear of missing out, fear of missing it, fear of missing the 384 00:19:25,200 --> 00:19:27,120 Lord, fear of getting of doing it wrong. 385 00:19:27,120 --> 00:19:29,560 All these fears and I've just come to the point where I'm 386 00:19:29,560 --> 00:19:32,920 like, Lord, you have my yes and I will do whatever you ask, even 387 00:19:32,920 --> 00:19:34,840 if it scares me. I'm just, I'm going to do. 388 00:19:34,840 --> 00:19:39,000 I've just decided that already because I know from patterns now 389 00:19:39,200 --> 00:19:43,040 that saying yes and doing it scared pays off eventually. 390 00:19:43,400 --> 00:19:47,280 And also your brain is wired to keep you away from anything that 391 00:19:47,280 --> 00:19:50,800 it doesn't have a map for. So anything new, your brain is 392 00:19:50,800 --> 00:19:54,200 going to flood you with feelings and thoughts of fear to chase 393 00:19:54,200 --> 00:19:57,200 you off of it because your brain's job is to keep you safe. 394 00:19:57,200 --> 00:19:59,760 And if it doesn't have a map, your brain doesn't feel safe. 395 00:19:59,960 --> 00:20:02,600 And so realizing that fear didn't have as much weight 396 00:20:02,600 --> 00:20:05,400 because I realized, oh, this is just a biological response to me 397 00:20:05,400 --> 00:20:07,720 stepping into new territory. It'll pass, you know? 398 00:20:07,720 --> 00:20:10,880 So that helped a whole lot. But one of the most surprising 399 00:20:10,880 --> 00:20:13,720 things that the Lord has done since podcasting is the people 400 00:20:13,720 --> 00:20:16,200 he's connected me to. In fact, I have a fun story 401 00:20:16,200 --> 00:20:17,160 around that. You want to hear it? 402 00:20:17,160 --> 00:20:19,720 Yes. OK, so I hit. 403 00:20:19,720 --> 00:20:22,520 I have an intercessory team, which I recommend for anyone 404 00:20:22,520 --> 00:20:24,920 who's stepping into anything have an intercessory team. 405 00:20:25,080 --> 00:20:27,120 But I have an intercessory team, about 5 people. 406 00:20:27,120 --> 00:20:30,640 We're all in either Hollywood or media or whatever, and we all 407 00:20:30,640 --> 00:20:33,000 pray for one another for auditions and whatever. 408 00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:36,080 And so I reached out to them and I was in tears. 409 00:20:36,080 --> 00:20:39,080 I had been really building my business for a couple years at 410 00:20:39,080 --> 00:20:42,120 this point and it, it just felt like I was spinning my wheels 411 00:20:42,120 --> 00:20:45,680 and not gaining any traction. And I reached out and I was just 412 00:20:45,960 --> 00:20:49,320 voice memoing because I was crying and I said, girls, I just 413 00:20:49,320 --> 00:20:52,040 need y'all to pray. I'm so tired of working, 414 00:20:52,040 --> 00:20:54,320 working, working and feeling like I'm not getting the 415 00:20:54,320 --> 00:20:56,480 breakthrough and I don't know what's in the way. 416 00:20:56,720 --> 00:20:58,080 I don't know what the problem is. 417 00:20:58,080 --> 00:21:02,320 I know God can open doors. I just need God to do something. 418 00:21:02,680 --> 00:21:04,880 And so they were like on it. We're praying. 419 00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:07,920 A couple days later I'm standing in the kitchen and I'm filming 420 00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:10,520 on Instagram for my stories and it's still in my stories. 421 00:21:10,520 --> 00:21:12,600 If you go to the behind the scenes highlight on my 422 00:21:12,600 --> 00:21:16,200 Instagram, you can see these stories and I'm filming and the 423 00:21:16,200 --> 00:21:18,920 front door just comes open on its own. 424 00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:22,200 It is not a windy day. The front door comes all the way 425 00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:24,960 open. And I was like, what the like, 426 00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:28,880 it was so freaky. And so I was like, OK, Jesus 427 00:21:28,880 --> 00:21:31,360 came in my house. And so I go close the doors like 428 00:21:31,360 --> 00:21:34,120 that was weird. And so an hour later I'm 429 00:21:34,120 --> 00:21:36,680 downstairs, the back door comes open. 430 00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:41,000 Not a windy day, nobody's coming and going really weird. 431 00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:43,480 I was like, OK, this is kind of freaking me out a little bit. 432 00:21:43,640 --> 00:21:46,640 So I said, Lord, if this happens 1/3 time, I know you're talking 433 00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:48,600 to me. I go upstairs to record. 434 00:21:48,760 --> 00:21:51,600 I come back down and the back door is hanging open again. 435 00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:54,400 And I, I'm securely closing the doors, right? 436 00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:57,360 And so I went and checked my son hadn't gone in or out or 437 00:21:57,360 --> 00:21:59,720 whatever. And so I said, OK, Lord, this 438 00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:01,440 happened 1/3 time. What are you trying to say to 439 00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:03,360 me? And he said, he said, generally 440 00:22:03,360 --> 00:22:06,360 I'm about to open doors to you that you cannot open for 441 00:22:06,360 --> 00:22:08,520 yourself. And when it happens, I want you 442 00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:11,160 to to know that it's me. And I said wow, OK. 443 00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:13,920 And then that evening as that I'm sitting by the front door 444 00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:16,160 journaling about all the doors coming open. 445 00:22:16,440 --> 00:22:18,560 The front door comes open right next to me. 446 00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:22,560 And I was like 4 doors, which 4IN prophetic language is the 447 00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:26,160 number of creative miracles. And so I said, OK Lord, this is 448 00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:28,520 cool. But just in case I'm over 449 00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:32,080 spiritualizing when I should just be locking my doors, I'm 450 00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:35,280 going to need you to confirm that this is what you are saying 451 00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:36,760 to me. And there's endless, guys, 452 00:22:36,760 --> 00:22:39,160 that's not a lack of faith. That's wisdom to say, Lord, 453 00:22:39,160 --> 00:22:41,240 please confirm. And so that's Sunday. 454 00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:45,280 I go to church, four different people and this, this rarely do 455 00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:47,280 people ever give me prophetic words at church. 456 00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:49,600 I mean, we believe in it, but it doesn't happen often, ever, 457 00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:52,280 hardly at all. Four people on the same day 458 00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:55,320 either had a dream about me, had a vision about me, had a word 459 00:22:55,320 --> 00:22:58,440 for me or a scripture, and all of them had to do with new 460 00:22:58,440 --> 00:23:02,000 opportunities and open doors coming to me or new expansions 461 00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:04,640 or whatever. Well, shortly after that, two 462 00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:08,720 days later was when Sean Bowles reached out and asked me to come 463 00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:12,200 coach his mentorship community and podcasting. 464 00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:16,960 And then since then there was a series of people getting 465 00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:19,400 connected with me like Adam Curry, who is the founder of 466 00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:21,320 podcasting. He's the inventor, they call him 467 00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:24,000 the pod father. He's he's been on Joe Rogan like 468 00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:27,440 6 times. And Steve Jobs called Adam Curry 469 00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:30,800 to see about getting the podcasting app on the iPods back 470 00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:34,040 in the early 90s. So Adam Curry, the pod father 471 00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:37,640 and then and he came and spoke to my podcasters on Monday just 472 00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:40,640 this last week. And then last week Sean Bowles 473 00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:43,400 messaged me and said, hey, let's do a podcasting webinar just the 474 00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:45,240 two of us. And I was like, awesome. 475 00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:48,520 So the Lord began to connect me to these strategic people. 476 00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:50,600 I could not have opened those doors myself. 477 00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:53,240 I knew it was the Lord and it's beautiful because it takes the 478 00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:55,240 pressure off. I don't feel like, oh, I've got 479 00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:56,800 to hustle. I've got to show up a certain 480 00:23:56,800 --> 00:23:58,800 way. I'm just putting 1 foot in front 481 00:23:58,800 --> 00:24:02,080 of the other, giving God my yes and asking Him to make me 482 00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:06,560 sensitive to those moments when He is trying to connect me with 483 00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:09,600 people and that I would steward those very faithfully. 484 00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:13,720 So he's expanded your reach in ways you never probably would 485 00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:17,520 have imagined when you first started just trying to hide on 486 00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:18,120 the Internet. Oh. 487 00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:20,720 My gosh, yeah. Like the people I've had on my 488 00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:23,080 show, Auntie Annie of Annie's Pretzels. 489 00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:25,080 She's the wealthiest entrepreneur in the United 490 00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:26,720 States. She came on my show last week 491 00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:28,720 and invited me to come to her house in Austin. 492 00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:32,080 You know, or I mean just in the VP, the vice president of Thomas 493 00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:34,760 Nelson Publishers. Like the people that the Lord 494 00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:37,760 has brought to me because I'm a podcaster and I have a 495 00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:40,960 microphone and I can use it to amplify their voice. 496 00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:43,840 It's just beautiful. It's just been the most exciting 497 00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:46,200 journey. Such an adventure when you say 498 00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:49,080 yes to the Lord. It is an adventure and I also 499 00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:54,280 love when you talk about having the confirmation of the signs 500 00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:58,480 and knowing that when God said it's done, it takes the pressure 501 00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:02,400 off of you. And that takes knowing how to 502 00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:04,960 hear the voice of God though. Like when you, I mean, it's not 503 00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:08,120 always the voice, but it's in the signs, it's in the the 504 00:25:08,120 --> 00:25:11,120 impressions, it's in the journaling times, it's in all 505 00:25:11,120 --> 00:25:13,920 kinds of different things like you mentioned earlier. 506 00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:19,840 In order to discern that God is doing something and trusting him 507 00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:23,640 to follow through and to show up for you is like a whole nother 508 00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:27,960 giant piece of this puzzle that I'm sure you had to operate in a 509 00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:31,520 level of trust in order for this to work and to continue pushing 510 00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:34,160 past even your husband recommending gently that you 511 00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:36,360 might go out and go get a $10.00 an hour job. 512 00:25:36,360 --> 00:25:39,640 Been there. And so even was there yesterday 513 00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:41,720 to the point where like you talked about wanting to quit a 514 00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:44,120 million times. I'm like, yes, there are times 515 00:25:44,120 --> 00:25:46,480 when it it feels like it's a lot. 516 00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:49,440 And that's when I recognize I'm trying to do it in my own 517 00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:53,120 strength versus rolling it over on his shoulders and saying, no, 518 00:25:53,120 --> 00:25:57,920 you said, come all who are heavy and I will give you rest. 519 00:25:58,160 --> 00:26:01,760 So here I am releasing everyone and everything to you, Lord, my, 520 00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:06,000 my episode yesterday I recorded was on hurried A hurried heart. 521 00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:11,160 And that brings so much weight into our life, you know, and I'm 522 00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:14,160 sure you battled with this at some point or another. 523 00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:17,120 And I love that God has shown up for you in these beautiful ways 524 00:26:17,360 --> 00:26:21,160 to connect you with people, because that's how I really 525 00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:22,560 believe. That's how God works. 526 00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:26,200 There are so many times God and I have done something together 527 00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:30,240 by ourselves, but more often than not, it is to connect with 528 00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:32,600 others in order to get the thing done. 529 00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:35,800 Whether it's a an out, you know, like a big project or an inner 530 00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:38,040 healing doesn't really matter, you know. 531 00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:41,200 So it does take a community of people. 532 00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:44,120 And that's why I love the Internet space where I used to 533 00:26:44,120 --> 00:26:47,080 hate it. It's stealing all my time. 534 00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:50,640 But now it's like filling these beautiful spaces that God's 535 00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:53,120 like, oh, hold on, I'm going to connect you with them and I'm 536 00:26:53,120 --> 00:26:55,200 going to connect you with them and you're going to do some 537 00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:56,480 stuff together. It's pretty neat. 538 00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:58,800 It's. Been a weekend in Dallas with a 539 00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:02,200 bunch of women that I met from one Facebook post that I made in 540 00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:04,640 a Facebook group as a demonstration for my students. 541 00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:07,040 Like I was. I wasn't even like putting a lot 542 00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:08,360 of thought into it. I was just making a 543 00:27:08,360 --> 00:27:11,400 demonstration so they knew how to do a post in a Facebook group 544 00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:14,920 and that post blew up. I ended up with 140 people 545 00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:17,880 wanting to come on my show. And of the people I connected 546 00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:21,320 with, a number of them I was with in Dallas this last 547 00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:23,200 weekend. One of them has become what we 548 00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:25,000 call each other our destiny helpers. 549 00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:27,600 Like we pray for each other. We connect with each other in 550 00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:29,600 business. We prophecy over each other. 551 00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:31,600 She's become we've stayed with each other. 552 00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:33,400 I mean, like we just love each other. 553 00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:36,600 And then in two weeks, I'm traveling to Missouri and with 554 00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:39,480 another person with two people that I met in that same Facebook 555 00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:41,880 post. And so the Internet is like this 556 00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:45,800 beautiful pool of connection. And obviously so you have to be 557 00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:49,240 careful too, but but I've just met some incredible people 558 00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:51,280 through there. You know, which brings me to the 559 00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:54,760 topic of boundaries because when we are doing life on the 560 00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:59,720 Internet, and I know we're doing regular life too, but most of my 561 00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:03,360 business and our business as content creators is on the 562 00:28:03,360 --> 00:28:04,640 Internet. Like you're talking about 563 00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:07,000 meeting these beautiful people through Facebook, and now this 564 00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:08,800 great stuff is happening and other things. 565 00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:12,800 But let's talk about boundaries and having God at the center of 566 00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:15,360 those because one of the topics I know that you're passionate 567 00:28:15,360 --> 00:28:17,120 about talking about is boundaries there. 568 00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:20,040 And it's very needed. Most women don't even know what 569 00:28:20,120 --> 00:28:23,600 a boundary even is, let alone how to set one around their 570 00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:25,200 time. Around what? 571 00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:27,680 What's stealing their time. So a lot of women feel like 572 00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:30,320 they're too busy. They're very distracted. 573 00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:33,160 How am I going to hear God or how am I going to start this 574 00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:36,600 next venture that I feel impressed to do because they 575 00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:39,400 don't have boundaries. So how do boundaries actually 576 00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:43,520 create more freedom to hear God and live in alignment with Him? 577 00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:49,760 Yes, boundaries are the lines that I draw so I can safely love 578 00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:53,040 you and safely love me at the same time or so that I can 579 00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:56,760 safely build my business and build my family at the same 580 00:28:56,760 --> 00:28:58,600 time, right. So they're, they're lines and 581 00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:04,000 boundaries that we put in place, not to restrict, but to make 582 00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:07,480 sure the right priorities stay the right priorities pretty 583 00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:10,040 much. And so an example of this would 584 00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:12,560 be I had, I have a student that I've coached with, she's friends 585 00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:16,400 with Heidi Baker and Randy Clark and these big evangelists slash 586 00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:18,880 revivalists. And these are people that I'm 587 00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:21,160 like, I would love to be in a room with these people, like get 588 00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:24,880 around their anointing, right? And so she invited me in July to 589 00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:29,440 go spend a week running around with Heidi Baker and Randy Clark 590 00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:33,000 because she's friends with them. And I was like, heck, yes, I'm 591 00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:34,440 in. But at that point I was 592 00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:37,560 traveling a vacation with to go see my family. 593 00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:39,400 I go once a year to see my sisters. 594 00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:42,320 And, and so she was like, you'd be at the end of this month. 595 00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:44,880 And so when I, when I was looking at my calendar, I 596 00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:48,240 realized that's going to feel like I just got off of a two 597 00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:52,120 week being away from my family. And then it's another full week 598 00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:54,280 and there's only like one or two weeks in between. 599 00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:57,280 And I was like, Oh, that's going to feel like a lot. 600 00:29:57,560 --> 00:29:59,280 And so I just said, you know what? 601 00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:01,160 I'm sorry, I don't think I can do. 602 00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:05,000 I can go because at the end of my life, I want to look back and 603 00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:08,720 feel like I made every decision possible to prioritize my 604 00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:11,280 family. And sometimes those decisions 605 00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:14,080 are not always super clear, but that is we're hearing the voice 606 00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:16,240 Lord helps and I ask him, you know, how about this? 607 00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:18,160 How about that? And so I actually turned her 608 00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:20,320 down. And so that was a boundary. 609 00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:23,520 I could feel kind of that gut check on the inside saying it's 610 00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:26,120 too much. And so I've learned to pay 611 00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:30,320 attention to that gut check because your intuition is there 612 00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:33,600 to guide you and and help you know where those boundary lines 613 00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:35,800 need to be. But the beautiful thing is the 614 00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:38,040 Lord so faithful. When I turned that down, I said, 615 00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:39,640 Lord, it's a little disappointing. 616 00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:41,960 It was a great opportunity, but I said I will. 617 00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:45,960 I don't fear missing out because I see how you can move mountains 618 00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:47,840 for me and you can connect me to anybody. 619 00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:51,400 So I just trust you're going to bring me other opportunities to 620 00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:53,120 be with people that I need to be with. 621 00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:56,520 And then before I even finished that flight, I was in the air 622 00:30:56,520 --> 00:30:58,880 flying. I get an opportunity from the 623 00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:01,800 girl that in that Facebook group and she invited me to go to 624 00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:05,280 Missouri in two weeks from now. And it's a big women's 625 00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:06,920 conference at this huge mega church. 626 00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:08,880 And she's like, I want you to be my VIP guest. 627 00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:11,240 And I'm like, OK, she's the children's pastor and Jen 628 00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:13,040 Johnson's going to be doing worship, you know. 629 00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:16,880 And so I turned down one VIP guest opportunity and the Lord 630 00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:19,280 plops another one in my lap straight away. 631 00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:22,280 That's for another situation. But I'm not missing out on 632 00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:24,560 anything because now the timing is right. 633 00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:26,680 And I felt very much the favor of the Lord on it. 634 00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:29,640 But I did almost cancel that one too, because my son got an 635 00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:32,560 opportunity to play guitar with Upper Room Church. 636 00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:35,920 And that kind of fell through because of scheduling. 637 00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:38,120 And so I was prepared to cancel that trip. 638 00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:40,520 And I said, Judah, if you're going to be playing guitar with 639 00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:43,360 them, I'm going with you. I will not go on this trip 640 00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:44,720 anyways. It didn't turn out right. 641 00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:47,400 So I was still able to go. But all that to say, at any 642 00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:50,720 moment, and I want my kids to see me do that at any moment, 643 00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:54,080 I'm willing to say no to great opportunity to prioritize my 644 00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:56,640 children because I only have one chance. 645 00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:58,800 And the fact that they're getting older, I feel that I 646 00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:01,840 feel that window shrinking. You know, opportunities will 647 00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:04,920 come for the rest of my life, but raising my kids is only for 648 00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:07,360 a season, so. Yeah, that's so true. 649 00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:09,880 I my oldest is 22, my youngest is 7. 650 00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:11,640 I have an 18 year old in between. 651 00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:15,280 And it is true. That's why I think you had even 652 00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:18,200 asked me, talked about all your trip that you're you got coming 653 00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:21,760 up to Greece and all of that. And when you ask me that, my 654 00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:25,440 very first response internally is always to think of my family 655 00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:29,040 and my kids like my children, but my two older children 656 00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:30,400 already grown and out of the house. 657 00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:35,680 I have a 7 year old who I just know how fast it went and we'll 658 00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:38,360 go just as fast. And yeah, I always have to think 659 00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:41,480 about that stuff too. And setting those boundaries 660 00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:44,880 around our time. So like running a business or 661 00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:48,680 operating a business and ministry at the same time takes 662 00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:52,120 a lot of time. And so it is important to 663 00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:55,520 prioritize, but we can't do that if we're too busy or too 664 00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:57,560 distracted to hear from God. No, it's true. 665 00:32:57,760 --> 00:33:00,160 I in general the way that I keep the balance. 666 00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:03,480 So for those who don't know, I have 4 teenage boys. 667 00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:05,200 My husband and I are senior pastors. 668 00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:09,240 I have 4 businesses. One is running my podcast, 1 is 669 00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:12,600 coaching podcasters, another is my podcast network, and another 670 00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:15,880 which I don't put a lot of time into is Lifewave patches because 671 00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:18,320 they're changing lives. And so I'm not 4 business. 672 00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:20,160 Yeah, OK, yeah, that's right. You use them. 673 00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:22,400 Yes. And so I've got those four 674 00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:25,080 businesses. And then this last week the Lord 675 00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:27,480 actually told me he said you're going to have multiple 676 00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:30,000 opportunities come to you in the next two weeks. 677 00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:33,720 You need to take all of them. And I was like, OK, and one of 678 00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:36,360 them was to take a job that requires travel. 679 00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:39,000 And so I'm like, how we going to do this, Lord? 680 00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:42,800 But what I do know is every day I make my decisions with 681 00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:46,040 sensitivity to the Holy Spirit. If this job is going to require 682 00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:48,600 travel, that means I'm going to have to be communicating well 683 00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:52,440 with my husband and being very strategic with the time that I'm 684 00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:55,920 with my family. And as a senior pastor, I've had 685 00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:59,160 to give myself permission to not live under other people's 686 00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:02,680 expectations as well. And as a pastor's wife, it's 687 00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:05,200 very easy to live under that pressure. 688 00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:08,199 But that almost killed me at one point emotionally. 689 00:34:08,199 --> 00:34:11,560 It almost just literally took me out with burnout and all the 690 00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:13,080 dark places burnout can take you. 691 00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:17,679 And so I learned to throw off that false obligation. 692 00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:21,159 I communicate with my church and I'm like, they know that I'm 693 00:34:21,159 --> 00:34:24,840 called into business and into media and they celebrate it, 694 00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:28,480 which I'm so grateful for. And so I just kind of, when I'm 695 00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:31,560 building out my calendar, of course, I put all the family 696 00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:34,639 things down first. If the church things are on the 697 00:34:34,639 --> 00:34:38,199 schedule, I will cherry pick which church events I go to. 698 00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:42,080 I don't go to all of them. And so I, I prioritize the ones 699 00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:44,520 that I feel kind of like led by the Lord that I need to be a 700 00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:47,080 part of. I do go to the church one day a 701 00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:49,679 week to just work in the office office pretty much I'm working 702 00:34:49,679 --> 00:34:53,080 on my business, but I'm there among the staff being available 703 00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:56,760 for the women. So I find ways to prioritize the 704 00:34:56,760 --> 00:35:00,080 things that matter. And then my business comes and 705 00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:02,280 fills in the gaps. And I've just told the Lord, I'm 706 00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:04,960 like, Lord, you just have to bless my business with the time 707 00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:08,040 I can put into it because I am going to honor the priorities 708 00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:11,200 that matter to your heart, which is my family and my call to 709 00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:13,280 ministry. So I just need you to bless what 710 00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:15,440 I'm doing in business. And he does. 711 00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:19,280 And so, yeah, it's just walking really very much being led by 712 00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:22,280 the Holy Spirit and all of it. Yeah, and you can't do that if 713 00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:24,760 you're not discerning, if you're not taking that time to be 714 00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:28,080 chill, so that you got to have that quiet time too, even in the 715 00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:31,040 busyness. You know, I, I coach women who 716 00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:35,440 say, well, I don't have time. And I say if you make time, you 717 00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:38,840 even just, you know, spending 20 minutes like you had mentioned 718 00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:43,760 earlier, even 5 to start, it's like 4 hours of awesome. 719 00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:46,760 If you just give him a little, he multiplies it into this 720 00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:48,680 beautiful thing. And I, I had to learn that the 721 00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:50,920 hard way. So that's why I'm like, hey, it 722 00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:54,120 really does work this way. You had talked about your 723 00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:56,640 husband, you know, maybe wanting you to go get this $10.00 an 724 00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:58,720 hour job. A lot of the women that I work 725 00:35:58,720 --> 00:36:03,080 with, they're very high performing CEOs, entrepreneurs, 726 00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:07,040 women that are really busy and they make pretty good money and 727 00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:11,280 they're afraid to walk away from what they're doing currently 728 00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:14,520 that maybe isn't fulfilling them or they know that that season 729 00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:16,680 has ended. But it's paying them. 730 00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:20,400 It's paying them very well. And they think if I step into, 731 00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:24,200 for instance, podcasting, how do they push past that? 732 00:36:24,240 --> 00:36:29,000 OK, I have this 6 figure income over here, but I really don't 733 00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:31,400 want to do that anymore. I would rather do this thing 734 00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:33,440 over here, for instance, maybe podcasting. 735 00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:37,080 How has that helped your family monetarily? 736 00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:40,360 Because I know you're talked about your husband wanting you 737 00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:42,080 to go get this $10.00 an hour job. 738 00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:47,280 So is there money in podcasting? There is, there sure can be. 739 00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:51,520 I because I was building without knowing what I was doing, I 740 00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:54,960 would have been smart to like a lot of people when they come to 741 00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:56,080 me. I'm like, if you have a 742 00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:59,760 business, let your podcast be a part of your funnel of 743 00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:02,120 attracting leads and nurturing leads. 744 00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:05,800 You make the most money as a podcaster if you can put a 745 00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:08,760 business behind it and it's a lead generator and it's a way to 746 00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:10,600 nurture. I know people that run their 747 00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:14,200 podcasts and that is the primary way they run their business. 748 00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:17,480 And they've got 6 7-8 figure businesses from their podcast 749 00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:19,280 Now. There are lots of different 750 00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:20,680 ways. I was on a call with a student 751 00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:23,200 yesterday and she was wondering, and I was like, OK, I've got 752 00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:25,800 five ways you can make money from your show right now for 753 00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:27,560 where you're at. And so I gave her these five 754 00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:29,720 different suggestions. All would be very natural. 755 00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:32,480 So I actually teach about a dozen different ways that 756 00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:34,880 podcasters can make money from their show. 757 00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:37,320 I make money from my show multiple different ways. 758 00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:40,440 And then when Adam Curry was here on Monday coaching my 759 00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:43,520 students, he taught us how to fund your podcast through 760 00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:47,160 listener sponsorships is a very unique approach that has caused 761 00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:51,960 him to make 7 and 8 figures in his podcast just from listener 762 00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:53,720 sponsorships. And then it creates this big 763 00:37:53,720 --> 00:37:56,280 community and, and that's actually in the freebie that I 764 00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:59,080 have as a gift for your listeners if they want access to 765 00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:00,600 it. Is that video training with Adam 766 00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:02,600 Curry. So if they're interested, that 767 00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:05,800 is available to them. When you're beginning anything, 768 00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:08,680 whether you're starting a business, starting a podcast, it 769 00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:13,480 can take some time before you see the profit for the effort 770 00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:16,320 that you're putting in. And so, so firstly, people need 771 00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:18,880 to know that what do they say? It's five years on average 772 00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:22,320 before a business is profitable. And, and I would remind my 773 00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:25,160 husband of that in those moments when he was putting pressure and 774 00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:28,520 he was like, oh, well, you know, and somehow that didn't apply to 775 00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:31,760 me because he wanted me to make money right away, you know, but 776 00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:36,360 as he's been patient and I have, you know, leaned into the Lord 777 00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:39,440 because when you live in that place of scarcity and scramble, 778 00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:42,240 you're not going to flourish. But when you can live in a place 779 00:38:42,240 --> 00:38:45,760 where almost like for lack of a better grace, you live in your 780 00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:49,520 feminine energy of just receiving of like I receive your 781 00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:52,480 goodness, Lord, I receive the blessings and the abundance that 782 00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:55,000 you have for me. I receive this because this is 783 00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:57,120 what you promised. This is part of my covenant with 784 00:38:57,120 --> 00:38:59,480 you that you will bless the work of my hands. 785 00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:02,360 And so when you can live in that place of honoring and 786 00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:05,600 celebrating everything the Lord is doing, receiving what he has 787 00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:08,440 for you and just listening strategically, like when the 788 00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:10,720 Lord told me you're going to have multiple opportunities 789 00:39:10,720 --> 00:39:13,240 come. Your show was one of those and 790 00:39:13,240 --> 00:39:15,280 I, the Lord, I had asked the Lord. 791 00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:18,960 I said, God, I want you to put me in front of people on stages, 792 00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:22,440 in podcasts, in wherever, but I need you to bring opportunities. 793 00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:25,080 I know how to find some, but it's just quicker when he brings 794 00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:26,280 them to me, right? And. 795 00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:29,800 So, so I've had, I have 4 podcasts I'm on this week and 796 00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:33,000 then 4 webinars, seminars that people came and just invited me 797 00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:36,080 to, all within a few days. And so just partnering with the 798 00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:38,360 Holy Spirit. There's just a lot more 799 00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:41,520 abundance that comes from that place, but that doesn't mean 800 00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:43,680 you're going to instantly see that. 801 00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:46,800 And so even in podcasts, there is a window of time where you're 802 00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:50,600 building and strategizing, but there are things that you can do 803 00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:54,040 to monetize more quickly than than other things. 804 00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:55,640 And so. Yeah, totally. 805 00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:58,840 I love that you're saying that because it is true. 806 00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:02,800 But I found that when I've gone after things just for the sake 807 00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:06,640 of making money, they are just so unfulfilling. 808 00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:11,000 So I find great fulfillment personally in impact first, 809 00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:13,880 income second. If what I'm doing is bringing 810 00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:16,400 about an. Impact for the Kingdom of heaven 811 00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:21,240 on this earth, That's fantastic. It's double fantastic if it's 812 00:40:21,240 --> 00:40:22,800 going to bring in an income as well. 813 00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:26,680 So I've had to learn what works, even starting YouTube first. 814 00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:29,720 And I really, when I started YouTube, and I know we've talked 815 00:40:29,720 --> 00:40:33,160 about this in private a little bit, but my intention for 816 00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:38,000 starting YouTube in 2020 was to just create content, which I 817 00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:40,480 know I knew nothing about anything. 818 00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:43,680 I mean, I remember like laying on my kitchen table, my head on 819 00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:46,240 the table crying because I couldn't figure out WordPress 820 00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:48,640 because I thought I had to have a website because I was 821 00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:51,600 finishing my last book or my most recent published book. 822 00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:55,600 I was finishing it and I had so many things in my heart to share 823 00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:59,640 that I knew if I didn't have an outlet for the overflow, it was 824 00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:02,080 going to be like a dictionary encyclopedia, like big, you 825 00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:03,760 know. So I was like, OK, I've got to 826 00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:05,840 have an outlet for all the other things. 827 00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:08,600 So how do I do this, Lord? And I was still working at the 828 00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:11,160 church that I was at. This was right before, you know, 829 00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:13,840 the shutdowns and all the things in the world turned upside down 830 00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:16,480 for so many people. But I started this YouTube 831 00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:20,520 channel and I did it with the intention of just sharing what 832 00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:22,960 was on my heart that the Lord laid on my heart. 833 00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:25,200 I didn't think about income. I wasn't thinking about 834 00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:27,120 marketing my book. I was just thinking about 835 00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:29,640 helping somebody else, encouraging people. 836 00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:32,000 Like that's my number one thing to do in this whole wide world. 837 00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:35,240 So I did that for a couple of months and then the world got 838 00:41:35,240 --> 00:41:37,280 shut down. And I did what a lot of people 839 00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:38,720 did. I went on a diet. 840 00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:40,320 Some people didn't, they gained the weight. 841 00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:42,960 But I, I've been on a diet. OK, Yeah, it's like 1/2 and 842 00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:44,720 half, I think. But a lot of people went on a 843 00:41:44,720 --> 00:41:46,440 diet and I was like, I'm tired of being fat. 844 00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:48,440 I'm tired. Hold on, that's extra weight. 845 00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:51,800 I'm going to go on this diet. And so I began to look at 846 00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:56,200 YouTube at that point as a way to make money because I couldn't 847 00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:59,320 find anyone that was creating content on YouTube that would 848 00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:02,640 help me learn the diet I wanted to do and like the pitfalls and 849 00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:04,840 how to do it. So I thought, well, find a need, 850 00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:06,760 fill a need, right? So here I am. 851 00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:08,560 I'm like, I'm going to create content. 852 00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:14,280 And it was so funny because it became now instead of something 853 00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:17,080 to make a difference, it became something to make an income. 854 00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:19,640 And so I started chasing Adsense, which was hilarious. 855 00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:22,840 So in order to be monetized on YouTube, the minimum requirement 856 00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:26,880 at that time was 1000 subscribers and so many hours of 857 00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:29,760 watch time. Well, I met that by October of 858 00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:32,640 2020 and that was pretty fast for what I was doing. 859 00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:36,680 Those diet videos took off, but it wasn't my heart. 860 00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:39,800 I didn't like it at all. It was just something I had to 861 00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:42,320 start doing because that's what was working and it was 862 00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:45,040 miserable. So after years of going back and 863 00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:48,160 forth trying to figure it out, I realized I am not going to 864 00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:52,160 create content for the sake of of creating content if it isn't 865 00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:55,800 going to produce the thing that God has put in my heart. 866 00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:59,120 Firstly, the fruit that he's called me to produce in people's 867 00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:00,560 lives through what he's giving me. 868 00:43:00,720 --> 00:43:02,680 I don't care. Like the money doesn't even 869 00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:05,920 matter because I'll be miserable with it, you know, but there is, 870 00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:08,360 you know, there is money to be made and Adsense is a joke. 871 00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:10,680 So if you think starting YouTube channel and like making a bunch 872 00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:14,280 of money is a thing, unless you do what you're saying, monetize 873 00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:16,720 it with your own way. We can get into that in so many 874 00:43:16,720 --> 00:43:18,760 other ways. Reach out to Jen if you want to 875 00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:21,640 know how OK, because, because she's like the guru about 876 00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:24,440 figuring it out and, and she knows what she's talking about. 877 00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:27,400 So definitely reach out to her if you're like, well, how do I 878 00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:31,640 monetize if I don't have 1000 subscribers or at whatever the, 879 00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:34,640 you know, how do I make my podcast profitable in an easy 880 00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:36,680 way? She'll definitely help you out 881 00:43:36,680 --> 00:43:38,640 with that. I love all the things that 882 00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:40,000 you're sharing. I love your story. 883 00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:42,840 I love your boldness. Probably like, my favorite thing 884 00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:47,080 about you is your boldness for the woman who feels like she's 885 00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:50,640 in your shoes and she doesn't have the platform form, she 886 00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:54,280 doesn't have the pulpit, and she wonders if her voice really even 887 00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:57,080 matters enough to try. What would you say to her? 888 00:43:57,560 --> 00:44:01,120 First of all, just do something. And I know that sounds so 889 00:44:01,720 --> 00:44:06,280 unhelpful, do something. But most people who have have 890 00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:09,640 been feeling that wrestling on the inside, there is something 891 00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:12,480 that's kind of they've been toying with the idea of whether 892 00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:16,320 it's a blog or a business or, you know, losing weight, 893 00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:20,400 starting that fitness, whatever it is, start the Dang thing. 894 00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:23,160 Like just start it. Just do the first next step. 895 00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:26,800 Because I guarantee you Elon Musk, he's thinking about how to 896 00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:29,360 get to Mars. He didn't start there. 897 00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:32,560 He started with just figuring out how to do coding or how to 898 00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:35,800 do engineering stuff. At some point he had to learn 899 00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:39,040 the very foundational basics. And that's what all of us have 900 00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:40,560 to do. And, and I want to encourage 901 00:44:40,560 --> 00:44:43,960 those to not be afraid of misstepping or making a wrong 902 00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:47,680 move because even though what you were doing on YouTube was 903 00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:51,880 not fulfilling, God still uses it because you still gain skills 904 00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:54,240 that are still serving you. You know what I mean? 905 00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:57,840 And so, and even even when Adam Curry was sharing his story, he 906 00:44:57,840 --> 00:45:00,680 didn't get saved till like 3 or 4 years ago, but he looked back 907 00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:03,880 over his life and he was like, I can see how God was still 908 00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:07,920 ordering my steps as an unsaved person, knowing he had a purpose 909 00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:10,440 for me. And all of those seasons move 910 00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:14,080 together and I can look back and see how for a season, I was a 911 00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:17,360 wardrobe stylist and I, I'm still waiting to see exactly 912 00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:20,320 what that was about. But it has served me in all 913 00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:23,840 these different ways in, in the creating content for online, 914 00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:26,400 helping my students do better with their pictures, you know, 915 00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:28,040 for their artwork and all the things. 916 00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:32,280 And so don't be afraid of making a misstep and realize there are 917 00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:35,080 lots of skills. Every skill you can put in your 918 00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:38,120 tool belt is an asset. So, so really just have fun. 919 00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:41,680 Have fun collecting skills, have fun making yourself better. 920 00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:45,840 But the worst thing to do is sit and don't do anything because 921 00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:48,640 you're afraid. Fear is the biggest barrier to 922 00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:51,680 you fulfilling your calling. That's what it is, just fear. 923 00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:55,360 So just do the next thing. And if you're scared, ask the 924 00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:58,800 Lord to help you not be scared. I have seen the Lord come 925 00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:01,360 alongside of me even when I didn't know how to do something. 926 00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:03,600 And I was like, Lord, back in the day, I was an extreme 927 00:46:03,600 --> 00:46:06,880 couponer and I had to do it because our money was so, so 928 00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:08,920 small. And I said, Lord, I want to 929 00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:11,200 learn how to coupon, but I don't know how to. 930 00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:13,120 So you're going to have to bring someone to teach me. 931 00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:16,240 That week someone came to me and taught me how to coupon. 932 00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:19,360 And so it's like God will partner with you when you're 933 00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:21,440 walking in the path that you're meant to be walking. 934 00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:24,080 The Lord will partner with you. And so don't be afraid. 935 00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:27,280 Just take that next step. But live for the day when you 936 00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:29,840 stand before the Lord. Just live for that day because 937 00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:32,360 we're all going to face it. And I don't know about you, but 938 00:46:32,360 --> 00:46:35,000 I want to give the Lord everything he deserves when I 939 00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:36,400 stand before him. You know so. 940 00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:40,120 Yes sister, I completely agree. I am right there in the boat 941 00:46:40,120 --> 00:46:42,680 with you of my mission in life is to get to the end in here. 942 00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:44,440 Well done. And I go to faithful servant, 943 00:46:45,080 --> 00:46:47,960 you know, been on this journey, particularly this, this chapter 944 00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:50,120 of my journey for the last five years. 945 00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:53,120 And the first three years I spent pretty much whining and 946 00:46:53,120 --> 00:46:57,120 crying about how I failed, I failed, I failed, you know, all 947 00:46:57,120 --> 00:46:58,440 the things my husband got to hear. 948 00:46:58,440 --> 00:47:01,520 He's so precious and patient with me and I, we were at a 949 00:47:01,520 --> 00:47:04,360 Greek restaurant one day and I was like, I just feel like I 950 00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:09,040 this and I have a dat. And he said, you know, I think 951 00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:11,440 you've done the most amazing things. 952 00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:13,960 You've accomplished so much. And it took me aback because I 953 00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:16,360 thought what? And he began to explain what he 954 00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:19,560 meant was that I've learned so many things. 955 00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:22,120 I have learned way more. Like I told you, my head was on 956 00:47:22,120 --> 00:47:25,400 the table crying right about WordPress and had no idea how to 957 00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:27,960 to film. I took my first few videos off 958 00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:30,200 YouTube and like made them hidden because they're so 959 00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:33,040 atrocious. They were so bad that I was 960 00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:36,440 like, I'll have these for, you know, evidence, but I'm keeping 961 00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:38,880 this to myself. Like they were really rough, you 962 00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:40,960 know. So I mean, it is, it's true what 963 00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:42,760 you say. We just have to start. 964 00:47:43,040 --> 00:47:47,120 And I have learned so much failing forward and trying to 965 00:47:47,120 --> 00:47:50,840 figure it all out and not doing it well and then doing it a 966 00:47:50,840 --> 00:47:54,480 little bit better each time. And so that's been encouraging 967 00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:57,840 to me to hear you say, hey, the journey is real for us all. 968 00:47:58,200 --> 00:48:00,280 And I hope that as you're listening, you're getting the 969 00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:03,520 same vibe from this. Like just start the Dang thing 970 00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:05,320 is what she said, right? Like just do it. 971 00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:07,600 Just do it. And then when you need help, 972 00:48:07,600 --> 00:48:09,760 because we do all need help, reach out. 973 00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:12,400 Don't do it alone. Accountability, people who have 974 00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:16,560 been just one or two steps ahead of you is so valuable for your 975 00:48:16,560 --> 00:48:18,000 journey. Yes. 976 00:48:18,320 --> 00:48:22,880 So Jen, for those women who are like, I am so with you, yes, 977 00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:26,240 yes, and more yes, how can I connect with you, Jen? 978 00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:31,040 How can they find you? 100% So I gave Miss Catherine a 979 00:48:31,040 --> 00:48:34,720 link to a gift you are welcome to pick up. 980 00:48:34,720 --> 00:48:37,720 It's for free. It comes with three things in 981 00:48:37,720 --> 00:48:38,520 it. If you're interested in 982 00:48:38,520 --> 00:48:42,600 podcasting, it's super relevant, but you also can connect with me 983 00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:45,560 personally if there's other aspects that you want to learn 984 00:48:45,560 --> 00:48:48,560 about. But it is the video with Adam 985 00:48:48,560 --> 00:48:51,400 Curry where he teaches you how to monetize your podcast from 986 00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:53,920 listener sponsors. Literally gold. 987 00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:56,400 And my, one of my students in the call, they were in the chat 988 00:48:56,400 --> 00:49:00,080 and they were like, I feel more famous just being on this call 989 00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:02,360 with this guy listening to his story. 990 00:49:02,560 --> 00:49:04,920 But is his wisdom. I mean, he was the original 991 00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:06,760 podcast. He's been doing this for 25 992 00:49:06,760 --> 00:49:08,840 years. So he knows how to do the thing. 993 00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:12,640 And so super valuable video. I'm not sure if I'll always give 994 00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:14,320 it away for free, but for now it is. 995 00:49:14,760 --> 00:49:17,800 And then there's a seven step checklist. 7 steps is a little 996 00:49:17,800 --> 00:49:19,840 misleading. Each step has like micro steps 997 00:49:19,840 --> 00:49:22,640 under it, but it's a checklist that kind of is like a bird's 998 00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:26,360 eye Rd. view map to kind of give you the big picture of where 999 00:49:26,360 --> 00:49:29,560 you're going from idea of a podcast to publishing and even 1000 00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:32,600 monetizing your podcast. And then the other gift is a 1001 00:49:32,600 --> 00:49:34,520 discount code. If you do decide to work with 1002 00:49:34,520 --> 00:49:36,680 me, then there's a built in discount. 1003 00:49:36,680 --> 00:49:38,840 And so all this stuff is right there in the link. 1004 00:49:38,920 --> 00:49:41,760 And otherwise you could e-mail me, which is all in there as 1005 00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:43,760 well. I'm so excited for you ladies 1006 00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:46,400 who are like, yes, I believe this is my next best step to 1007 00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:49,200 check it out and to connect with Jen because she is such a 1008 00:49:49,200 --> 00:49:53,080 valuable resource and a joy and a pleasure to know. 1009 00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:56,360 So you're going to be blessed by just being in her world. 1010 00:49:56,560 --> 00:49:59,520 So Jen, thank you for taking the time to be here today and just 1011 00:49:59,520 --> 00:50:03,600 really pour out into US today. A. 100% thank you for having me. 1012 00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:07,720 Friend, if you love today's episode, I just want to invite 1013 00:50:07,720 --> 00:50:10,560 you to just take a minute and rate and review the show. 1014 00:50:10,560 --> 00:50:13,080 And hey, while you're at it, share it with a friend because 1015 00:50:13,080 --> 00:50:16,600 your voice really does matter. And we'll see you on the next 1016 00:50:16,600 --> 00:50:16,880 one.