1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:04,800 Wow, When I lookout 10 years, if I keep going at this pace, am I 2 00:00:04,800 --> 00:00:09,080 going to be happy about those 10 years where I'm not fully 3 00:00:09,080 --> 00:00:12,080 present with my kids hardly ever, because I've always got 4 00:00:12,080 --> 00:00:14,920 something on my mind that I should be doing. 5 00:00:15,080 --> 00:00:17,760 You know, I'm exercising, I'm trying to eat well, but my 6 00:00:17,760 --> 00:00:20,960 cortisol is rocket high. I'm in fight or flight. 7 00:00:20,960 --> 00:00:22,800 My body thinks I'm running from a tiger. 8 00:00:22,840 --> 00:00:24,880 You're going to be busy. That's just the reality of our 9 00:00:24,880 --> 00:00:27,520 world. But there's a busyness that is 10 00:00:27,520 --> 00:00:30,640 more about speeding up everything, you're life, your 11 00:00:30,640 --> 00:00:35,280 relationships, your body, everything to a pace that is 12 00:00:35,280 --> 00:00:38,840 incompatible with being in a grounded, rested spirit, 13 00:00:38,840 --> 00:00:42,400 incompatible with Lovejoy, connection, presence. 14 00:00:45,640 --> 00:00:48,600 Welcome to the Free to Lead podcast. 15 00:00:48,640 --> 00:00:51,920 I'm so excited that you're here today because today's episode is 16 00:00:51,920 --> 00:00:55,400 going to bless your socks off. I know it especially for us 17 00:00:55,400 --> 00:00:58,080 really busy people who are always looking for the next 18 00:00:58,080 --> 00:01:01,320 thing to do or our calendars are so full, we can't find white 19 00:01:01,320 --> 00:01:03,880 space for even what true self-care looks like. 20 00:01:04,120 --> 00:01:08,400 So today's guest is Julie Robkin and she's the founder of Mindful 21 00:01:08,400 --> 00:01:11,680 House and Women Who Rest. She's a certified breathwork 22 00:01:11,680 --> 00:01:15,560 facilitator, spiritual mentor and a devoted follower of Jesus. 23 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:19,920 She guides mission minded women in midlife to release the grip 24 00:01:19,920 --> 00:01:24,120 of chronic busyness, anxiety and over functioning so that they 25 00:01:24,120 --> 00:01:28,360 can return to a more spacious, grounded and deeply meaningful 26 00:01:28,360 --> 00:01:31,720 way of living. Julie offers a compassionate 27 00:01:31,720 --> 00:01:35,040 path towards nervous system regulation, intentional 28 00:01:35,040 --> 00:01:38,600 simplicity, unhurried living, and a deeper spiritual 29 00:01:38,600 --> 00:01:41,160 connection. Her work weaves together 30 00:01:41,160 --> 00:01:44,480 embodiment practices, neuroscience and Christian 31 00:01:44,480 --> 00:01:48,440 spirituality, helping women to reclaim rest as a sacred rhythm 32 00:01:48,680 --> 00:01:51,320 and become more fully alive in midlife. 33 00:01:51,320 --> 00:01:55,440 So wow, we all need this. And you know when we do this 34 00:01:55,440 --> 00:01:59,200 rest covered in the blood of Jesus through the power of the 35 00:01:59,200 --> 00:02:03,000 Holy Spirit, it becomes so just life giving. 36 00:02:03,120 --> 00:02:06,160 And so I love what you do Julie. Thank you so much for being here 37 00:02:06,160 --> 00:02:09,600 and sharing with us today. Oh my gosh, thank you for having 38 00:02:09,600 --> 00:02:11,640 me. I this is my favorite thing to 39 00:02:11,640 --> 00:02:15,480 do and to talk about, so I'm honored and delighted to be. 40 00:02:16,080 --> 00:02:18,600 Well, let me ask you why you started talking about this 41 00:02:18,600 --> 00:02:19,280 topic. Where? 42 00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:22,280 Where did that even come from? Usually what we are advocates 43 00:02:22,280 --> 00:02:25,200 for is something we really had to deal with ourselves first. 44 00:02:25,800 --> 00:02:27,920 Yes, and that's a that's a great question. 45 00:02:27,920 --> 00:02:32,560 I would say my mission has really evolved over the last 46 00:02:32,600 --> 00:02:37,640 eight years or so since starting Mindful House, where it started 47 00:02:37,640 --> 00:02:40,440 more focused on. I really wanted to help women 48 00:02:40,440 --> 00:02:42,920 slow down. Mindful House actually started 49 00:02:42,920 --> 00:02:47,560 as an online boutique and it was just kind of my first attempt to 50 00:02:47,560 --> 00:02:50,120 like, I am going to have my own business. 51 00:02:50,120 --> 00:02:52,440 I'm going to be able to inspire, encourage women. 52 00:02:52,880 --> 00:02:56,040 I kind of knew that wouldn't be the just the starting point that 53 00:02:56,040 --> 00:02:58,720 God was really going to take it where he wanted it to go. 54 00:02:59,040 --> 00:03:01,840 But it was, Oh my gosh, it was so much fun. 55 00:03:01,840 --> 00:03:05,200 But the ultimate mission was really supporting women owned 56 00:03:05,200 --> 00:03:08,280 businesses from around the country and encouraging this 57 00:03:08,280 --> 00:03:13,360 idea of self-care, slow living, honouring our bodies, like being 58 00:03:13,360 --> 00:03:16,240 conscious about the products we're choosing and really 59 00:03:16,240 --> 00:03:19,240 carving out time to take care of ourselves, our hearts, our 60 00:03:19,240 --> 00:03:21,760 bodies. And that was good. 61 00:03:21,760 --> 00:03:26,000 And that was fun and beautiful. And then like COVID hit and life 62 00:03:26,000 --> 00:03:31,760 happened and I was at the time working full time to raising two 63 00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:37,520 kids as a single mom and starting to experience the 64 00:03:38,320 --> 00:03:42,440 weight of it all. And although I thought I'm a 65 00:03:42,440 --> 00:03:45,000 strong woman, I can handle and manage all this. 66 00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:47,160 My body was telling me otherwise, right? 67 00:03:47,160 --> 00:03:51,960 The the strategies I was using to manage it all, although 68 00:03:51,960 --> 00:03:54,120 healthy, they just weren't working anymore. 69 00:03:54,240 --> 00:03:57,600 And so I'll come back, I'll close the loop on your question, 70 00:03:57,640 --> 00:04:02,200 but it's been kind of a windy road to how I now focus more on 71 00:04:02,200 --> 00:04:05,520 rest. But through that journey of 72 00:04:05,720 --> 00:04:09,640 figuring out my body is screaming at me and I have a 73 00:04:09,640 --> 00:04:13,040 family history of Miss autoimmune, significant 74 00:04:13,040 --> 00:04:16,800 autoimmune brain tumors. And so I'm like, is this what's 75 00:04:17,079 --> 00:04:19,240 you know, happening to me? I will go into all the details 76 00:04:19,240 --> 00:04:21,839 that Long story short, I went to a neurologist and that 77 00:04:21,839 --> 00:04:25,040 neurologist essentially said, Julie, you have a perfectly 78 00:04:25,040 --> 00:04:27,320 healthy brain, but you're going to have to do something about 79 00:04:27,320 --> 00:04:30,640 your stress. And that was a obviously a big 80 00:04:30,640 --> 00:04:34,600 relief and also a huge wake up call for me at the time. 81 00:04:34,600 --> 00:04:40,960 So that sent me on this path of wanting to try to work with the 82 00:04:40,960 --> 00:04:44,560 Lord to build my awareness around, you know what, what am I 83 00:04:44,560 --> 00:04:46,880 missing here? I feel like I'm doing everything 84 00:04:46,880 --> 00:04:48,680 right, but I'm missing something. 85 00:04:48,680 --> 00:04:51,640 And what I discovered, didn't you know, I didn't want to go 86 00:04:51,760 --> 00:04:54,160 radically changed my life. You know, I wasn't in the 87 00:04:54,160 --> 00:04:57,120 position to do that. I did end up making some pretty 88 00:04:57,120 --> 00:05:02,360 big personal professional changes, but I discovered that I 89 00:05:02,360 --> 00:05:04,920 was not breathing very effectively along with some 90 00:05:04,920 --> 00:05:07,520 other things. I was moving at a way too hectic 91 00:05:07,520 --> 00:05:09,680 pace. I was packing way too much in. 92 00:05:09,880 --> 00:05:14,000 I was over functioning in all areas of my life, trying to be 93 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:17,960 at all, do it all, be the best mom, keep it all together. 94 00:05:17,960 --> 00:05:21,520 And my nervous system was completely out of whack. 95 00:05:21,720 --> 00:05:25,800 I was operating at a in a dysregulated state more time 96 00:05:25,800 --> 00:05:28,200 than not. And so that sent me on the path 97 00:05:28,200 --> 00:05:31,520 to understanding, you know, nervous system work and learning 98 00:05:31,520 --> 00:05:36,200 about breath work and the power of this simple God-given tool, 99 00:05:36,200 --> 00:05:37,960 which we can talk a little bit more about. 100 00:05:37,960 --> 00:05:40,720 That I love your story even though it sounds like there's 101 00:05:40,720 --> 00:05:43,480 lots of challenges in there, but you're talking about breath work 102 00:05:43,800 --> 00:05:47,440 and it reminds me of Genesis where, you know, God breathed 103 00:05:47,920 --> 00:05:52,480 his his breath right and and everything that we do is done 104 00:05:52,480 --> 00:05:54,800 because of the breath of life that lives in it. 105 00:05:54,800 --> 00:05:56,800 So it makes sense that you would go there. 106 00:05:56,800 --> 00:05:58,840 So I just was like, well, yeah, that'd. 107 00:05:58,840 --> 00:06:02,040 Be yes, you've nailed it. That's exactly right. 108 00:06:02,040 --> 00:06:04,920 And I think there's potentially people in our, you know, in the 109 00:06:04,920 --> 00:06:07,840 Christian community that are like a little bit like hesitant 110 00:06:07,840 --> 00:06:11,120 is breath work, which let me just be clear, breath work is 111 00:06:11,160 --> 00:06:14,960 any conscious manipulation of our breathing for any purpose. 112 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:17,600 So that could be slowing down our breath that could be 113 00:06:17,600 --> 00:06:19,840 speeding up our breath that could be using our breath to 114 00:06:20,080 --> 00:06:22,320 relax our body. So that's we're bringing our 115 00:06:22,320 --> 00:06:25,560 awareness to our breath. There's nothing scary about 116 00:06:25,560 --> 00:06:28,880 that, right? And so, but some will think of 117 00:06:28,880 --> 00:06:31,480 breath work or maybe put it in that like new age box. 118 00:06:31,480 --> 00:06:35,840 And I am just like, no, we're reclaiming this as a really 119 00:06:35,840 --> 00:06:39,760 powerful, beautiful spiritual tool that can help us 120 00:06:39,880 --> 00:06:44,520 physically, emotionally, spiritually, physiologically, 121 00:06:44,520 --> 00:06:49,280 like it's so powerful. But that is just one piece of 122 00:06:49,280 --> 00:06:51,400 the puzzle, right? So our breath, you know, 123 00:06:51,400 --> 00:06:54,080 learning more about our nervous system, that's kind of the 124 00:06:54,080 --> 00:06:57,440 foundation, but then that bridge to actually, how do we 125 00:06:57,440 --> 00:07:02,240 incorporate more rest, carving out more time for spaciousness. 126 00:07:02,240 --> 00:07:05,800 You know, all that that has been a journey for me over the last 127 00:07:05,800 --> 00:07:09,120 eight years and such a transformative journey that that 128 00:07:09,120 --> 00:07:14,320 now that is my overarching like this is what's missing, I think, 129 00:07:14,320 --> 00:07:17,160 for most of us. And I'm wanting to kind of flip 130 00:07:17,160 --> 00:07:21,400 the script on rest, but it's not the thing we, and I'm of course 131 00:07:21,400 --> 00:07:24,800 not the the only one doing this, but you know, talking about the 132 00:07:24,800 --> 00:07:27,960 power of rest. But I'm really, you know, coming 133 00:07:27,960 --> 00:07:32,280 from that place that I believe strongly that if we can learn 134 00:07:32,680 --> 00:07:38,160 slowly, gently how to come from a place of rest rather than 135 00:07:38,160 --> 00:07:40,880 working towards rest right as reward. 136 00:07:41,080 --> 00:07:44,200 But coming from this more grounded, relaxed, rested, 137 00:07:44,200 --> 00:07:49,080 spirit regulated nervous system that we can be so much more. 138 00:07:49,080 --> 00:07:53,400 We can do so much more. We can experience some of these 139 00:07:53,400 --> 00:07:56,320 promises that, you know, God tells us that that we have 140 00:07:56,320 --> 00:08:00,080 access to, but we're so busy, we're so hurried and we're so 141 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:03,600 dysregulated that we can't actually tap into that, right? 142 00:08:03,600 --> 00:08:05,960 That piece we're promised. So enjoy. 143 00:08:06,160 --> 00:08:08,720 Yeah, So my goodness, I can't tell you how many times I've 144 00:08:08,800 --> 00:08:11,600 I've me too, walked around and seen people like, wow, they have 145 00:08:11,600 --> 00:08:13,680 no joy. And I was just talking to 146 00:08:13,680 --> 00:08:15,920 somebody the other day and they said, Catherine, your new 147 00:08:15,920 --> 00:08:19,120 podcast name should be broken and joyful parentheses sometimes 148 00:08:19,360 --> 00:08:21,440 like that's true. I like that. 149 00:08:21,520 --> 00:08:23,760 I like that too because it's true. 150 00:08:23,800 --> 00:08:26,920 I mean really it is true. Wow, you have said so many 151 00:08:26,920 --> 00:08:31,640 amazing things and I love that you just said coming from rest 152 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:37,760 versus working for rest. And the only time we are are 153 00:08:37,760 --> 00:08:41,799 told anything about working for rest is when Paul says I labor 154 00:08:41,799 --> 00:08:45,960 to enter into the rest. And that's only because it's 155 00:08:45,960 --> 00:08:48,760 hard for us to do. It feels like work at first if 156 00:08:48,760 --> 00:08:51,760 we're not used to it. So I wanted to ask you, how did 157 00:08:51,760 --> 00:08:54,240 you make yourself carve those times out? 158 00:08:54,240 --> 00:08:58,600 How did you make yourself stop and say like, oh, OK, I'm doing 159 00:08:58,600 --> 00:09:01,920 all the things that I'm doing, too many things and put up the 160 00:09:01,920 --> 00:09:04,440 boundaries, like how did you really get to that point? 161 00:09:04,840 --> 00:09:07,320 I think it starts with a decision like anything. 162 00:09:07,320 --> 00:09:10,080 If you want to shift anything, I don't think the best way is just 163 00:09:10,080 --> 00:09:12,840 to jump in and get started, but slow down and get real 164 00:09:12,840 --> 00:09:14,080 intentional. Like what? 165 00:09:14,280 --> 00:09:18,120 How do I want to feel different? You know, I'm in this season of 166 00:09:18,120 --> 00:09:20,880 midlife and so I tend to work with women in this season of 167 00:09:20,880 --> 00:09:25,160 midlife. And by now we've all experienced 168 00:09:25,240 --> 00:09:29,960 a lot of societal conditioning, family conditioning, our own, 169 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:32,680 you know, life experiences, trauma, wounding, you know, 170 00:09:32,680 --> 00:09:35,880 they've, they've all shaped how we're living today. 171 00:09:35,960 --> 00:09:39,880 And by now 40s, fifties, whatever, late 30s, we've been 172 00:09:39,880 --> 00:09:42,800 doing that a long time. So these patterns of behavior 173 00:09:42,800 --> 00:09:45,240 are pretty deep. So this is not something that we 174 00:09:45,240 --> 00:09:48,560 just change overnight. So we got to meet this with some 175 00:09:48,560 --> 00:09:51,880 gentleness, some compassion, some acceptance of where we are. 176 00:09:51,880 --> 00:09:56,360 But for me, it was like I made the decision I want something 177 00:09:56,360 --> 00:09:59,600 different for my life. What would that look like? 178 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:04,720 And so it started with looking at just very practically looking 179 00:10:04,720 --> 00:10:08,440 at my days where I'm investing my time, the work that I'm 180 00:10:08,440 --> 00:10:12,160 doing, who I'm investing in, you know, relationship wise, the 181 00:10:12,160 --> 00:10:14,800 activities I'm in, even the activities my children are in, 182 00:10:14,800 --> 00:10:20,200 like what is giving me life and what is draining my energy. 183 00:10:20,280 --> 00:10:23,840 And so I kind of started there, like if I do a little bit of 184 00:10:23,840 --> 00:10:26,960 less of this, this isn't about adding more to our To Do List, 185 00:10:26,960 --> 00:10:29,640 right? This is more coming from a place 186 00:10:29,640 --> 00:10:33,840 of we are simplifying. We are intentionally simplifying 187 00:10:33,840 --> 00:10:36,800 so we can do more, be more, feel more. 188 00:10:36,920 --> 00:10:39,440 So it started with me just kind of getting a little bit more 189 00:10:39,480 --> 00:10:43,320 intentional with my time. I can already hear the women out 190 00:10:43,320 --> 00:10:46,880 there like, oh, that would be nice, but I don't have that 191 00:10:46,880 --> 00:10:48,800 luxury. I was working full time, 192 00:10:48,800 --> 00:10:52,720 building a business, single mom, like struggling with some health 193 00:10:52,720 --> 00:10:55,960 stuff. And it's like we can choose to 194 00:10:55,960 --> 00:11:00,200 make the time, even if it's 10 minutes in the morning, to 195 00:11:00,200 --> 00:11:05,160 prepare your body, your heart, your spirit for what the day is 196 00:11:05,160 --> 00:11:07,680 going to bring. That is so powerful. 197 00:11:07,680 --> 00:11:11,680 So for me, it started small and that's what I encourage women to 198 00:11:11,680 --> 00:11:14,480 do. Like just small, subtle shifts 199 00:11:14,920 --> 00:11:19,920 in how I am building in a little bit more space in my day just 200 00:11:19,920 --> 00:11:22,480 for quiet for me. That doesn't work for everybody. 201 00:11:22,600 --> 00:11:25,560 And I'm not talking. I certainly advocate for quiet 202 00:11:25,560 --> 00:11:29,080 time with the Lord, like that is a foundational for me. 203 00:11:29,560 --> 00:11:32,840 But I think we also need to carve out some time just for 204 00:11:32,840 --> 00:11:38,560 quiet, for nurturing our souls, just for giving our minds rest, 205 00:11:39,080 --> 00:11:42,000 giving our bodies rest. So that's kind of where I 206 00:11:42,000 --> 00:11:44,720 started. And then over time, I started to 207 00:11:44,720 --> 00:11:47,600 feel because we almost have to prove to ourselves at this 208 00:11:47,600 --> 00:11:51,040 point, OK, this is going to make a difference because I don't 209 00:11:51,040 --> 00:11:53,960 know about you, but I've tried a lot of things that people have 210 00:11:53,960 --> 00:11:57,120 said, try this. You're going to feel so much 211 00:11:57,120 --> 00:11:58,880 better. And you know, it's so it's 212 00:11:58,880 --> 00:12:02,200 temporary. And so I needed to kind of prove 213 00:12:02,200 --> 00:12:05,480 to myself like these little winds, like, OK, when I do that, 214 00:12:05,560 --> 00:12:08,480 actually my day goes better. When I look at my day and I have 215 00:12:08,480 --> 00:12:10,800 a little bit more space, Oh my gosh. 216 00:12:10,800 --> 00:12:13,560 Like I feel lighter when I breathe through. 217 00:12:13,560 --> 00:12:17,120 When I give myself time to actually consciously breathe for 218 00:12:17,120 --> 00:12:20,000 5 minutes, I'm able to concentrate more. 219 00:12:20,040 --> 00:12:24,160 My digestion works better. Like I start to notice all these 220 00:12:24,160 --> 00:12:26,520 little things, but it takes time. 221 00:12:26,520 --> 00:12:32,600 And by now our nervous systems have been trained that that's is 222 00:12:32,600 --> 00:12:37,840 what's safe to operate at that, you know, high capacity over 223 00:12:37,840 --> 00:12:40,280 functioning. Do do, do go, go, go pack our 224 00:12:40,360 --> 00:12:43,840 every moment in the day. That has now become what feels 225 00:12:43,960 --> 00:12:45,840 normal. And so we've got to kind of 226 00:12:45,840 --> 00:12:49,640 retrain our body and our mind that there's a better way and 227 00:12:49,640 --> 00:12:51,640 that it actually feels better. But that takes time. 228 00:12:51,920 --> 00:12:53,080 Oh my gosh, yes. Wow. 229 00:12:53,080 --> 00:12:55,320 You're saying all the things I need to hear too personally and 230 00:12:55,320 --> 00:12:57,560 that the Lord's been speaking to me about for the last couple of 231 00:12:57,560 --> 00:12:59,160 years. And I just said this to my 232 00:12:59,160 --> 00:13:02,280 husband not just a few weeks ago even I said, I feel like I just 233 00:13:02,280 --> 00:13:04,960 need a day where I'm just sitting outside staring and 234 00:13:04,960 --> 00:13:06,560 doing nothing else. Just staring. 235 00:13:06,680 --> 00:13:08,440 And he said, we'll take it. And I thought, oh, that's 236 00:13:08,440 --> 00:13:10,440 ridiculous. Take a whole day and just stare. 237 00:13:10,440 --> 00:13:13,960 But really, that's what I, I find myself really wanting to do 238 00:13:14,000 --> 00:13:16,920 is like just staring. I go sit outside on my patio 239 00:13:16,920 --> 00:13:18,960 where I have this beautiful porch swing and I just love to 240 00:13:18,960 --> 00:13:21,920 sit on it and stare trees, the grass or whatever. 241 00:13:21,920 --> 00:13:24,600 And I may not even be looking at it, but I'm, I'm looking at it, 242 00:13:24,600 --> 00:13:26,240 but I'm not paying attention to it. 243 00:13:26,520 --> 00:13:31,080 But my mind is able to like dump out garbage that's been muddling 244 00:13:31,080 --> 00:13:34,240 it up. And I lived in that and still 245 00:13:34,240 --> 00:13:40,040 tend to the cycle for me is to run back into a frantic panic, a 246 00:13:40,040 --> 00:13:44,160 fight or flight of I have to do, I have to do, I have to do and I 247 00:13:44,400 --> 00:13:46,040 have to have to have to all those things. 248 00:13:46,440 --> 00:13:50,240 And I talked with a lady recently and she was saying, and 249 00:13:50,240 --> 00:13:52,720 I hope she hears this episode because if she if if not, I'm 250 00:13:52,720 --> 00:13:56,200 going to share it with her. But she was kind of giving me 251 00:13:56,200 --> 00:13:57,920 the rundown every day. And she's like, I, you know, 252 00:13:57,920 --> 00:14:00,320 about your course, I need to lose some weight. 253 00:14:00,320 --> 00:14:02,600 But I but I know because I don't teach weight loss. 254 00:14:02,600 --> 00:14:05,280 I teach weight loss like weight, not physical, but like 255 00:14:05,280 --> 00:14:07,240 emotional. OK, like we're going to drop the 256 00:14:07,240 --> 00:14:09,280 bag of all the garbage we're carrying around with us. 257 00:14:09,960 --> 00:14:13,360 You can drop the weight because cortisol increase insulin, 258 00:14:13,360 --> 00:14:15,600 insulin and keeps you fat. All the things, right? 259 00:14:15,600 --> 00:14:18,320 So no good. So we have to process out those 260 00:14:18,320 --> 00:14:21,680 emotions for physical reasons. And I was just talking with her 261 00:14:21,680 --> 00:14:25,880 and she said, but I don't have any time in my day to go through 262 00:14:25,880 --> 00:14:27,600 this course at all. So I said, well, what's your 263 00:14:27,600 --> 00:14:29,200 day? And she ran me through a whole 264 00:14:29,200 --> 00:14:30,960 day. And I was like, oh, OK. 265 00:14:30,960 --> 00:14:33,080 That was the biggest challenge I've ever had because I can 266 00:14:33,080 --> 00:14:36,120 always find some space in a day for someone. 267 00:14:36,560 --> 00:14:39,640 But what she described to me, I was like, this is not healthy. 268 00:14:39,880 --> 00:14:43,680 She's right at middle age too. And you got you're going to have 269 00:14:43,680 --> 00:14:46,240 to say no to something. Something has to give. 270 00:14:46,480 --> 00:14:49,480 And that's the hard part. And that's why I was asking you 271 00:14:49,480 --> 00:14:51,880 like, how did you do it? Even though I know it's a 272 00:14:51,880 --> 00:14:54,080 decision and it is, I mean, it does start there. 273 00:14:54,400 --> 00:14:57,600 But then often we make decisions or we we say we're going to do a 274 00:14:57,600 --> 00:15:00,240 thing differently and then we find our patterns like taking 275 00:15:00,240 --> 00:15:01,240 back over, Right. Oh. 276 00:15:01,280 --> 00:15:02,800 Yeah. So what would you say to 277 00:15:02,800 --> 00:15:05,360 somebody like her who's OK? Let me describe her position. 278 00:15:05,360 --> 00:15:07,880 OK, She's in her her going into her master's program. 279 00:15:07,880 --> 00:15:09,800 She's going to graduate in December to go into her master's 280 00:15:09,800 --> 00:15:11,640 program. She has home schools. 281 00:15:11,640 --> 00:15:14,360 She's running them to dance, went in between. 282 00:15:14,360 --> 00:15:17,480 She works from home full time also, and she does school full 283 00:15:17,480 --> 00:15:20,720 time also. And oh, she's a pastor of a 284 00:15:20,720 --> 00:15:23,160 church with her husband. Oh, and she runs a Bible study 285 00:15:23,160 --> 00:15:24,800 at night. And oh, whoa. 286 00:15:24,800 --> 00:15:27,320 And I said hold up. Like I listened to her whole 287 00:15:27,320 --> 00:15:28,440 schedule and I was starting to panic. 288 00:15:28,440 --> 00:15:31,360 I was like, Oh my gosh, you know, And then I was like, how 289 00:15:31,360 --> 00:15:35,240 do you have time to read the word or pray or get filled to 290 00:15:35,240 --> 00:15:38,480 pour into them the Bible study that you lead, you can't 291 00:15:38,480 --> 00:15:40,160 possibly do? She's like, I know, but I don't, 292 00:15:40,160 --> 00:15:42,880 I don't have time. And I'm like, wow, that's nuts 293 00:15:42,880 --> 00:15:45,000 that to think that there are people running around out there, 294 00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:47,520 Julie, who are in leadership and I'm me too. 295 00:15:47,520 --> 00:15:48,640 Like I've been there. That's why. 296 00:15:49,120 --> 00:15:50,920 That's why free to lead is a thing, OK? 297 00:15:50,920 --> 00:15:53,240 Like I've been there where it's like I'm showing up as the 298 00:15:53,240 --> 00:15:56,880 leader with it all together, but I'm crumbling under the pressure 299 00:15:57,320 --> 00:16:00,920 of life and I'm like, I have nothing to give you. 300 00:16:00,920 --> 00:16:03,800 But here I am still trying to show up without biting your hat 301 00:16:03,800 --> 00:16:07,600 off because I'm so depleted. And people say self-care is 302 00:16:07,600 --> 00:16:10,800 let's go get our nails done or the go to the spa or those types 303 00:16:10,800 --> 00:16:12,480 of things. And yes, that's fun and those 304 00:16:12,480 --> 00:16:14,080 are great and they can be good for a minute. 305 00:16:14,080 --> 00:16:16,760 But what happens when you leave the bubble bath and you open the 306 00:16:16,760 --> 00:16:19,480 door to the bathroom, your garbage is still sitting there 307 00:16:19,480 --> 00:16:20,440 waiting for you. Gosh. 308 00:16:21,280 --> 00:16:24,400 Yes, you're so right. And this isn't an easy answer. 309 00:16:24,400 --> 00:16:28,120 And that is, that is a real beautiful, full example because 310 00:16:28,120 --> 00:16:31,960 I think there's so many women in that position or very similar 311 00:16:31,960 --> 00:16:34,480 position. And so I think it, it takes 312 00:16:34,480 --> 00:16:38,040 going a little bit deeper. You know, I would be curious, 313 00:16:38,040 --> 00:16:43,440 you know, what what is it in her beliefs, thoughts that are 314 00:16:43,440 --> 00:16:46,960 telling her she has to to continue at that pace or that 315 00:16:46,960 --> 00:16:50,320 she needs to be doing all of those things right. 316 00:16:50,320 --> 00:16:54,040 I think we've all especially too in this Christian community, 317 00:16:54,040 --> 00:16:57,920 which I love, but there is that kind of underlying emphasis on 318 00:16:58,000 --> 00:17:01,880 go do more for the Kingdom of God and that it's such a 319 00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:03,880 beautiful. You know, we are designed to 320 00:17:03,880 --> 00:17:08,079 serve and to sport and all that. But I'm learning and, you know, 321 00:17:08,079 --> 00:17:11,599 I come from a very limited, humble, you know, human 322 00:17:11,599 --> 00:17:14,280 perspective. But I'm feeling and I'm getting 323 00:17:14,280 --> 00:17:17,119 the message from in a lot of different ways that, you know, 324 00:17:17,119 --> 00:17:20,440 as women, this desire to really be the best. 325 00:17:20,440 --> 00:17:23,400 So, you know, we can be or to to walk in Our Calling, our 326 00:17:23,400 --> 00:17:26,839 purpose, whatever. I'm feeling that it's more about 327 00:17:26,839 --> 00:17:30,440 who we're becoming in this process than what we're doing. 328 00:17:30,520 --> 00:17:33,440 And so if we can until from like. 329 00:17:33,440 --> 00:17:35,480 Freezing over. Like, yeah, it's absolutely what 330 00:17:35,480 --> 00:17:38,000 I've been saying for four years. Y'all listen to this right now. 331 00:17:38,440 --> 00:17:40,600 Right. So if she is doing all those 332 00:17:40,600 --> 00:17:47,600 things and completely disconnected from her joy, her 333 00:17:47,640 --> 00:17:52,960 energy, her life like her, her deep spiritual connection, her, 334 00:17:53,080 --> 00:17:57,640 you know, that deep experience of a relationship with the Holy 335 00:17:57,640 --> 00:18:01,320 Spirit, like, I don't know how you can be that busy and giving 336 00:18:01,320 --> 00:18:04,480 so much and feel, still feel super connected. 337 00:18:04,920 --> 00:18:08,360 And so I, you know, sometimes we have to lovingly challenge the 338 00:18:08,360 --> 00:18:10,520 people in our lives, whether they're clients, whether they're 339 00:18:10,520 --> 00:18:14,480 our children, whether they're our, you know, best friends and 340 00:18:14,480 --> 00:18:17,600 just encourage them. Like, you know, what is it that 341 00:18:17,600 --> 00:18:20,960 your, is your identity maybe wrapped up in this, that, that 342 00:18:20,960 --> 00:18:24,760 is what makes a good mom or a good Christian or whatever? 343 00:18:24,760 --> 00:18:29,080 Or are there some opportunities to to start letting some things 344 00:18:29,080 --> 00:18:33,720 go with the hope? I believe that it's going to 345 00:18:33,720 --> 00:18:37,920 allow her to be even better every capacity. 346 00:18:38,840 --> 00:18:41,000 Yeah, 100%. That's so right on. 347 00:18:41,000 --> 00:18:43,720 I love that you just went straight in with like the arrow 348 00:18:43,720 --> 00:18:46,200 into the bull's eye of what is it that you're believing that's 349 00:18:46,200 --> 00:18:49,080 causing you to think that this is what you have to do and you 350 00:18:49,080 --> 00:18:53,560 have to show up like and you also bringing even into the 351 00:18:53,560 --> 00:18:56,400 conversation is so needed. We need to be talking about this 352 00:18:56,400 --> 00:19:00,000 more. Is that perspective of Christian 353 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:03,440 equals, you know, basically like you have nothing left to wear 354 00:19:03,440 --> 00:19:05,280 yourself out serving at every capacity. 355 00:19:05,280 --> 00:19:07,600 I lived out for 10 years. I worked for a large church and 356 00:19:07,600 --> 00:19:11,560 I was like, I mean, I would come home and hide my phone so that I 357 00:19:11,560 --> 00:19:14,240 wouldn't scroll nothing, just so that I would never have to see a 358 00:19:14,240 --> 00:19:17,640 text notification or an e-mail from anybody because I was so 359 00:19:17,640 --> 00:19:20,360 overwhelmed with being all for all. 360 00:19:20,680 --> 00:19:23,440 And then lost my job in 2020 because of COVID. 361 00:19:23,440 --> 00:19:25,240 And everybody's life shifted around that time, right? 362 00:19:25,240 --> 00:19:27,360 In some way or another, most everybody. 363 00:19:27,560 --> 00:19:32,680 But I ended up scrambling to find my identity around who I am 364 00:19:32,680 --> 00:19:38,120 just being versus all the doing I'd been so used to doing. 365 00:19:38,520 --> 00:19:41,760 And I didn't know how to be a human being. 366 00:19:42,120 --> 00:19:44,600 I only knew to be a human doing right. 367 00:19:45,080 --> 00:19:46,200 Yeah. And it was so hard. 368 00:19:46,400 --> 00:19:49,840 And it was really lots of years, actually, like about two full 369 00:19:49,840 --> 00:19:53,080 years of just crying and acting like I didn't even know who I 370 00:19:53,080 --> 00:19:54,400 was. Just acting all kinds of 371 00:19:54,400 --> 00:19:57,000 different ways, like crying about how as a failure. 372 00:19:57,000 --> 00:19:59,440 And I'll never this and I'll always that, you know, these 373 00:19:59,440 --> 00:20:01,440 things. And the Lord's like, like, he's 374 00:20:01,440 --> 00:20:03,920 so gracious, but my husband's, he's so gracious because he's 375 00:20:03,920 --> 00:20:07,080 the one hearing all of this. I could see the confusion on his 376 00:20:07,080 --> 00:20:09,000 face because he's like, you're the best mom. 377 00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:12,000 You show up 100,000,010% for your kids. 378 00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:14,240 You say yes to everything. So I had to learn, relearn 379 00:20:14,240 --> 00:20:17,520 identity boundaries. You know what it is to say no 380 00:20:17,880 --> 00:20:20,600 and be OK with that, not feel guilty. 381 00:20:20,600 --> 00:20:22,800 All those types of things was very difficult because what I 382 00:20:22,800 --> 00:20:25,920 had learned was if it is to be, it's up to me. 383 00:20:26,440 --> 00:20:27,680 Yes. And I better do it. 384 00:20:28,280 --> 00:20:30,600 Yeah, right. The big problem most of us face 385 00:20:30,600 --> 00:20:34,080 for sure. Is it really is And I just want 386 00:20:34,080 --> 00:20:38,880 to reinforce like that we are worthy of this time and space 387 00:20:38,880 --> 00:20:43,120 and the opportunity to pour into our own hearts and spirits. 388 00:20:43,440 --> 00:20:48,000 And I'm not just talking about self-care, but truly, deeply 389 00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:52,440 honoring our values. What it is that really does 390 00:20:52,760 --> 00:20:57,000 light us up and what it is that we do want our life to look 391 00:20:57,000 --> 00:21:00,720 like. Like we, we do have a choice and 392 00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:04,640 it might be more difficult for some than others, but I just 393 00:21:04,640 --> 00:21:06,920 really believe that the time is now. 394 00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:10,240 Like I, you know, I started to get to that point where I'm 395 00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:14,120 like, wow, when I look out 10 years, if I keep going at this 396 00:21:14,120 --> 00:21:18,760 pace, am I going to be happy about those 10 years where I'm 397 00:21:18,760 --> 00:21:22,760 not fully present with my kids hardly ever because I've always 398 00:21:22,760 --> 00:21:26,440 got something on my mind that I should be doing right? 399 00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:29,120 That is big, I think, for most women. 400 00:21:29,120 --> 00:21:32,560 I know I'm operating at a pace. Yeah, I'm taking, you know, I'm 401 00:21:32,560 --> 00:21:35,000 exercising. I'm trying to eat well, but my 402 00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:38,200 cortisol is rocket high. I'm in fight or flight. 403 00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:40,680 My body thinks I'm running from a tiger at all times. 404 00:21:40,680 --> 00:21:44,560 So how, how could that really be good for my health, you know, if 405 00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:47,120 I want to live this optimal life? 406 00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:50,360 I mean, so many things. I think when we are so busy and 407 00:21:50,360 --> 00:21:54,160 hurried, and I'm not anti busy because I think if you're a mom, 408 00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:57,560 you're building a business, you are incorporate like you're 409 00:21:57,560 --> 00:21:59,480 going to be busy. That's just the reality of our 410 00:21:59,480 --> 00:22:02,080 world. But there's a busyness that is 411 00:22:02,080 --> 00:22:05,240 more about speeding up everything, your life, your 412 00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:09,840 relationships, your body, everything, to a pace that is 413 00:22:09,840 --> 00:22:13,400 incompatible with being in a grounded, rested spirit, 414 00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:16,600 incompatible with Lovejoy, connection, presence. 415 00:22:17,280 --> 00:22:20,800 And so that's really what we're talking about is so it's not 416 00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:23,760 totally shift your life to where you don't, you're not busy. 417 00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:26,720 That's not realistic. It's how do we make some small 418 00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:30,040 changes that will allow you a little more space? 419 00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:34,400 And that starts with, you know, I break rest into kind of an 420 00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:36,720 acronym. I like simple things that can 421 00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:38,960 stick, right? And so, yeah. 422 00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:42,400 And I'm actually in the process of writing a book about this, so 423 00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:45,160 that will come out in 2026. So let's see. 424 00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:49,880 But so I think of rest as like 4 parts because rest goes deeper 425 00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:52,520 than self-care. And that's really what I to come 426 00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:55,200 back to your original question, like how my business has 427 00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:57,760 shifted. I realized pretty quickly, OK, a 428 00:22:57,760 --> 00:23:01,800 beautiful candle and a nice bath with lovely bath salts that 429 00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:07,920 feels good for a few minutes, you know, but it is not as 430 00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:12,200 sustainably shifting how I'm moving through my days and 431 00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:14,920 feeling. And so self-care is necessary. 432 00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:17,600 But what I'm talking about is really soul care. 433 00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:22,440 So a rest that is renewing restorative to the soul. 434 00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:28,120 And so I break that down into R is really reclaiming and that's 435 00:23:28,120 --> 00:23:30,560 about making that decision. OK, I am. 436 00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:32,480 I'm going to do things differently. 437 00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:34,920 I don't know what that's going to look like. 438 00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:38,280 I'm just going to get really curious about what that could, 439 00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:41,640 how that could feel. What if I had an extra hour in 440 00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:44,080 my day? What if I woke up a little bit 441 00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:48,840 earlier and just spent time in silence or in centering prayer? 442 00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:52,160 Or if I just took a walk in nature without an iPod? 443 00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:55,160 Or or without your Airpods, or, you know it, without my. 444 00:23:55,360 --> 00:23:59,240 Podcast. Yes, yes, So reclaiming really 445 00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:02,960 the life we want to live and our truest selves. 446 00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:07,080 That's a whole nother conversation in that by this 447 00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:09,920 time we've we're we're still and I and I know you talk about it a 448 00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:12,200 lot in your work. You, you're still carrying the 449 00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:17,520 weight, the emotional weight, the, the mass, the expectations 450 00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:21,200 that everybody else has of you. And so now, you know, I'm like, 451 00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:24,680 let's start that process now of starting to kind of take off 452 00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:28,200 those layers and coming back to truly how God designed us, who 453 00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:30,160 we are. And how good does that feel when 454 00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:32,320 you get a little taste of that? And that, you know, is 455 00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:34,320 reflective in your relationships, when you start to 456 00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:37,360 prioritize those relationships that are deeply, you know, 457 00:24:37,360 --> 00:24:40,000 aligned, that you could be vulnerable, that you could be 458 00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:43,120 your truest self, spending more time in those type of 459 00:24:43,120 --> 00:24:46,160 relationships. So I don't have time to go into 460 00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:48,760 all these in depth, but reclaiming like your truest 461 00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:50,520 self. And that's also reclaiming your 462 00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:55,720 values, which, you know, in our 30s, forties, 50s, sometimes 463 00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:57,280 we've kind of lost sight of that. 464 00:24:57,560 --> 00:24:59,480 Yes. And so it's a reminding, 465 00:24:59,880 --> 00:25:02,800 remembering, it's not a changing, it's not becoming. 466 00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:06,200 If this is not about personal development work, this is about 467 00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:08,800 remembering how God designed us and who we are. 468 00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:13,880 The E is all about embodiment and so embodying really coming 469 00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:18,960 back to our bodies, learning to breathe properly again, which 470 00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:22,240 research says that 9 out of 10 of us as adults are breathing 471 00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:24,000 improperly. So we're breathing through our 472 00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:25,040 upper chest. Yeah. 473 00:25:25,120 --> 00:25:29,760 And our bellies, so much good new work coming out about that. 474 00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:34,320 So and embodying just really giving ourselves time to notice 475 00:25:34,360 --> 00:25:37,880 what it feels like to live from our heads versus being in our 476 00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:39,680 heart space. Another. 477 00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:42,120 You know, there's a lot of new talk around somatics and 478 00:25:42,120 --> 00:25:46,400 embodiment and really what it means to allow ourselves to feel 479 00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:48,680 the emotions rather stuff them down. 480 00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:52,880 So all this you wouldn't think maybe is part of rest, but it's 481 00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:56,440 also necessary. There isn't a temporary fix to 482 00:25:57,160 --> 00:25:59,640 living a more rested, unhurried life. 483 00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:02,760 And so the S is really, we've talked a lot about it, the 484 00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:06,160 slowing down, the creating space, the simplifying. 485 00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:09,200 And when you start to create some space, how can you invite 486 00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:12,440 in some of these, what I call sacred rhythms, like silence and 487 00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:15,960 solitude, Maybe allowing yourself what some people call a 488 00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:17,920 Sabbath. I don't I feel like that sounds 489 00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:21,360 sounds a little religious or legalistic, but there's beauty 490 00:26:21,360 --> 00:26:24,080 in Sabbath, even if it's a Sabbath walk or a Sabbath 491 00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:27,240 morning where you're totally taking off any pressure to to 492 00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:31,720 work and then T is trusting. So how do we daily let go, 493 00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:36,520 surrender, trust in the peace, the presence that the Christ is 494 00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:38,920 with us that we don't have to do this alone. 495 00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:43,000 If you just focus on that piece, that can have tremendous impact 496 00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:46,120 on our nervous systems because if we think we're doing this, if 497 00:26:46,120 --> 00:26:48,960 we got to maintain control and figure it all out and keep doing 498 00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:51,680 in our nervous system, you know, just our thoughts affect our 499 00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:55,600 nervous system too. So that's a lot packed into that 500 00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:59,160 little acronym. But hoping to at least maybe 501 00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:01,920 identify, hoping that some women, you know, listening to 502 00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:04,560 this can start to notice. OK, what, what's even just one 503 00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:07,400 area that I could focus on? I don't have to do it all. 504 00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:10,080 Doesn't have to be, you know, in the next few days. 505 00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:13,880 This is a journey is, but it just starts with building that 506 00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:17,280 awareness. OK, maybe I am operating at a 507 00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:22,040 pace that isn't sustainable and I don't want to continue on this 508 00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:24,080 path. Yeah, That's so good. 509 00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:24,680 Wow. Yeah. 510 00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:26,920 I could just listen to you talk about this stuff all day because 511 00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:30,320 it's really so needed. And I love that you're writing a 512 00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:32,200 book. So when you get that published, 513 00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:35,720 come back because we want we want to hear more from you about 514 00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:38,680 that for sure. And I really love even when you 515 00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:42,000 were talking about hurried, you were talking about busyness. 516 00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:43,760 You said everybody's busy, but I heard hurry. 517 00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:46,920 OK, Like you didn't say it, but it was just that difference 518 00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:48,920 between like, we're busy because we have to do stuff. 519 00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:51,240 We can't sit around all day and breathe, right? 520 00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:53,000 We are breathing all day. But you know, like mindfully, 521 00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:54,840 yes. So we do have things that we 522 00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:56,120 have to do. It's just like people saying, 523 00:27:56,120 --> 00:27:59,040 well, I can't spend 4 hours a day in my quiet time with the 524 00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:03,440 Lord. I'm like, I get it, but there's 525 00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:07,000 a difference between, you know, being busy and being hurried. 526 00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:10,720 And I lived in that hurried life where it's like I got to hurry 527 00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:13,960 up and get to the end of this thing, whatever it was, or hurry 528 00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:16,040 up and achieve or hurry up and whatever. 529 00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:18,960 Hurry up and eat, hurry up and run, hurry up and, you know, 530 00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:25,320 sleep many hurrying things. And, you know, that was really a 531 00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:28,440 big problem for me to where like, it caused heart problems 532 00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:32,960 for me because so, so much stress in the body. 533 00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:36,920 And, you know, I do have trauma, you know, like past trauma and 534 00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:39,040 other things piled on top of that. 535 00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:44,000 I didn't know how to live a calm, internally calm life. 536 00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:47,840 It was always about hurrying up and getting to the end of a 537 00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:50,760 thing so that I can rest. And it was like, you're going 538 00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:53,320 back to the beginning, kind of a little bit of us talking about 539 00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:56,560 coming from rest versus working for rest. 540 00:28:56,960 --> 00:29:00,320 And I would never rest. I would always be on to the next 541 00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:03,200 thing, on to the next thing. And some people wear the badge 542 00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:06,400 around called multitasker. I think that's a badge of honor. 543 00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:09,320 But really, like I remember Doctor Caroline Leaf, a book I 544 00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:11,840 read of hers a long time ago, but she was talking about 545 00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:16,160 multitasking and what it does to our brains and how it actually 546 00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:20,840 is very unhealthy for our neurological systems to 547 00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:23,120 multitask. We weren't created for that. 548 00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:26,440 And when we're over here doing this, doing that, and we live in 549 00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:29,760 a world right now, Julie, and I know that you see this too, but 550 00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:32,840 the Lord just really revealed this to me the other day to 551 00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:35,800 solidify this in me for what I'm doing, in the work that I'm 552 00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:38,360 doing too, within myself and for others. 553 00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:43,480 It's that we live so distracted that we are not even aware, or 554 00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:47,520 you could call it mindful. We're not even aware of, you 555 00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:49,280 know, like people walking in front of cars because they're 556 00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:51,320 looking at their phones. Not even aware. 557 00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:54,920 I mean, or her mom won't put her phone down at the DMV because 558 00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:57,480 her little girl just wants her attention so badly. 559 00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:01,680 So we live in such a distracted world that we think we're busier 560 00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:03,760 than we actually are. Right. 561 00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:06,280 Oh, gosh. What a what a perfect point 562 00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:08,040 you're making. You're exactly right. 563 00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:10,480 Yeah. But most people don't see it. 564 00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:12,520 They don't even like, well, Oh yeah. 565 00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:14,920 I mean, I spend 4 hours a day on TikTok Tang. 566 00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:18,080 I didn't realize that, you know. What could you do with those 567 00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:20,120 four hours? Yeah, for real. 568 00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:24,240 Even if it's an hour, though, I think we under, you know, our 569 00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:27,360 phone can tell us how much screen time or there's, there's 570 00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:31,440 so many simple little strategies that you can start to use to 571 00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:34,200 just build your awareness. Where is my time going? 572 00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:36,560 You're exactly right, though, You know, I talk a lot about 573 00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:41,040 distraction and disconnection. You know, distraction is, is AI 574 00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:45,120 think it's a beautiful tool that the enemy uses to keep keep us 575 00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:47,160 on this hamster wheel. No hurry. 576 00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:50,720 What does the Bible tell us though, that that Jesus says 577 00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:53,760 that the thief comes only to kill, steal and destroy. 578 00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:56,920 But I come that you have life and life abundantly. 579 00:30:57,160 --> 00:31:01,040 So sometimes, you know, we forget that the enemy, he comes 580 00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:03,640 to steal, kill and destroy. What does that even mean? 581 00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:06,880 He comes in three key areas, Julie, and that's in our health, 582 00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:10,680 our finances, and our time. And time is a big one because 583 00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:13,760 that's one thing you can never regenerate. 584 00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:16,160 It's a non replenishable commodity. 585 00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:19,120 You only have so much of it and that's it, you're done. 586 00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:22,280 If you lose $1,000,000, you can make $1,000,000 again. 587 00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:24,960 If you get fat, you can get skinny again. 588 00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:27,120 You know, if you lose your health, you can pray, right? 589 00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:29,680 You can get it back. But time, no. 590 00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:32,960 So I just think it's very important to remember that 591 00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:35,160 second part of the Scripture where he says that I've come to 592 00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:38,280 give you life and life abundant that it is to the full 593 00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:41,560 overflowing. And you know that we cannot be 594 00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:44,560 overflowing to pour into those that God has given us to serve 595 00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:49,520 and to love and just be life into, if we are dry as a desert 596 00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:51,520 and got nothing to give. Right. 597 00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:54,160 And too distracted to notice anybody anyway. 598 00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:56,760 Right, right. Too distracted to truly be 599 00:31:56,760 --> 00:31:59,120 present. And I I think our presence is 600 00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:00,880 like the biggest gift we can give anyone. 601 00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:03,120 Absolutely. It really, really isn't. 602 00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:06,720 I'm so thankful that you're giving us your time today 603 00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:09,400 because if there's a woman listening right now and she's 604 00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:12,320 wondering, am I dysregulated? Is my nervous system 605 00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:15,200 dysregulated? What are some key identifiers to 606 00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:18,560 help her determine? Maybe I need to do some eval 607 00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:21,280 here? Yeah, I would say just generally 608 00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:26,240 feeling a bit unsettled, a bit chaotic, tired, weary. 609 00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:30,000 I think the common thing that I hear is like, I just am. 610 00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:35,680 I'm worn down, I'm exhausted. I just, I would love exactly 611 00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:37,960 what you said. I would love a day to just go 612 00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:41,920 and sit and do nothing. And I'm going to encourage you 613 00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:43,440 to listen to that voice, by the way. 614 00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:46,320 I think we know. I don't think this is a mystery. 615 00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:49,560 I think that there's women who are listening, going, yeah, 616 00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:51,640 that's me. And that maybe they're still 617 00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:54,520 fighting against that voice, like, oh, but I but this feels 618 00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:55,960 good. I like being, I mean, I, I have 619 00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:58,120 a lot of friends that are like, no, I like being busy. 620 00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:00,480 It makes me feel good because I know I'm productive. 621 00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:05,600 But I think we know at our core that this way of living just 622 00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:11,800 isn't sustainable and it isn't giving us that fulfillment, that 623 00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:15,200 joy, the peace I think that most of us are longing for. 624 00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:18,560 We're just trying to feel it in other ways by being the best or 625 00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:22,600 successful or the best moms or making sure our kids are in 626 00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:25,240 everything, you know, whatever it is, I think we know. 627 00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:28,360 So I would say, listen, like if you're, if you, if you have any 628 00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:31,560 part of you that's thinking, gosh, maybe I could feel a 629 00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:34,520 different way, Honor that, pray about it. 630 00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:37,680 Invite the Holy Spirit into that conversation. 631 00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:40,360 He'll show you. If you're asking, you know, 632 00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:44,040 where are some areas that I can start to let go, that I can 633 00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:46,760 start to make a little space in my life? 634 00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:52,280 What would you have me do right? That's so earlier you mentioned 635 00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:56,200 about, you know, our as high achieving and busy on the go 636 00:33:56,200 --> 00:34:00,680 ladies, we often feel like we have to do more, be more, have 637 00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:03,040 more right attitudes. But then later you had said 638 00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:06,720 something I wrote it down was so good to intentionally simplify 639 00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:10,480 so that we can do more, be more, have more. 640 00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:16,480 And what that means to me is taking the time to basically 641 00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:19,480 clean out the closet or, you know, like some people go 642 00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:21,760 through and do like their full house clean outs and then they 643 00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:24,480 donate all their stuff. It's kind of that way to me 644 00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:28,480 where it's like I'm going to take off all the things that I 645 00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:32,400 think I have to do more of, or be more of, more productive, 646 00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:36,480 more powerful, more perfect, whatever it is, and say, OK, 647 00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:40,480 maybe I want to actually just learn a new language or paint, 648 00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:43,440 or maybe I want to run. Not me, but maybe somebody does. 649 00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:45,840 Yeah. Yeah, so I mean, like, I don't 650 00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:47,400 know, like my girlfriend, she's in Alaska. 651 00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:48,800 She's the sweetest business coach. 652 00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:50,920 I love her so much. And she calls me and she's like, 653 00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:53,239 Catherine, we're talking about business, how's your business 654 00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:56,400 and this and that. And she says she started running 655 00:34:56,400 --> 00:35:00,240 again recently. And she teaches productivity in 656 00:35:00,240 --> 00:35:03,920 a way to women that helps them to simplify so that they can be 657 00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:06,480 productive in their businesses without their businesses owning 658 00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:08,560 them. And then they run their 659 00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:10,080 business. And I love that so much. 660 00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:13,000 But she found herself caught up in a lot of doing. 661 00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:15,840 Her clients got really needy. Things got out of hand. 662 00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:17,960 And she's like, Oh my gosh, I've kind of lost myself. 663 00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:20,560 I'm really stressed out. Autoimmune issues coming up, 664 00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:23,000 things like that. Now she's like running again. 665 00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:25,760 And she's running to like loud music that she loved when she 666 00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:27,640 was a teenager. I'm like, thank God, you know, 667 00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:29,520 that's awesome. Finding joy in the little 668 00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:31,520 things. That's so fantastic. 669 00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:33,840 Or she's learning Spanish. That's great. 670 00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:38,160 When we, when we start to intentionally kind of let go of 671 00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:40,000 some of those things that we've just been doing because we've 672 00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:42,400 been doing like it's just, that's what we always do. 673 00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:44,040 And we create a little bit of space. 674 00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:46,800 It opens up our hearts, our minds. 675 00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:50,000 Like it opens up that create creativity, right? 676 00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:54,440 Like, Oh yeah, I forgot. I love to dance or I love to 677 00:35:54,720 --> 00:35:57,440 run. That feels really good to me. 678 00:35:57,600 --> 00:36:01,240 And so we start to like, feel like ourselves again when we 679 00:36:01,240 --> 00:36:06,040 were children before all the expectations and all the proving 680 00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:08,240 and performing. And so that's what I'm talking 681 00:36:08,240 --> 00:36:10,320 about. That's what's available when we 682 00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:14,400 start to to do this work quote, UN quote work, right? 683 00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:17,360 Which really should feel really nourishing. 684 00:36:17,720 --> 00:36:21,800 Yeah, I'd love it if you could walk us through a breathing 685 00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:23,240 exercise. Would you be willing to do that? 686 00:36:23,240 --> 00:36:24,200 Oh. For sure. 687 00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:26,800 Yeah, I'm so excited. So ladies, I'm going to set you 688 00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:30,000 up for this if you're driving. So you can just take a second if 689 00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:33,800 you can pull over, OK. If not, that's OK, can come back 690 00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:36,800 and listen to this while you're not doing all the millions of 691 00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:37,920 things you're doing all the time. 692 00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:40,440 OK while you're running, listen to this podcast, whatever you're 693 00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:43,680 doing. But I would love us to take a 694 00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:45,640 minute and actually practice this. 695 00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:48,680 And it's probably going to be uncomfortable for some of us who 696 00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:52,880 have never done this just to be open and listen because this is 697 00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:55,120 powerful. And so thank you for walking us 698 00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:58,520 through some whatever you feel like, you know, a lady might 699 00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:03,160 need today to leave this podcast feeling a little lighter. 700 00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:07,320 OK, so. I teach a bunch of different 701 00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:09,840 breath work exercises or techniques. 702 00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:13,000 This is just like what's called an integrative breath work 703 00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:16,120 technique, meaning you can integrate it into your day. 704 00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:18,960 You can, you can be doing it in the car, you can be at your 705 00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:22,200 office before bed, whatever. And most of what I teach is 706 00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:24,640 about relaxing the nervous system. 707 00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:28,960 So coming down into that parasympathetic state where some 708 00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:32,280 people call, you know, rest and digest, or it's just where our 709 00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:35,920 Physiology works better, right? And so we're more often in that 710 00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:37,520 fight or flight, that sympathetic state. 711 00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:41,480 So just training our minds, our hearts, our bodies, that we can 712 00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:44,920 get ourselves into a more calm rest state just by how we're 713 00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:47,200 breathing. So I'm going to pull out one 714 00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:50,960 that I've just been using a lot recently because it feels so 715 00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:53,960 good. It's so simple and it combines a 716 00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:58,400 nice intentional inhale and then a more extended exhale. 717 00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:03,240 When we extend exhale that triggers to our vagus nerve, our 718 00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:06,400 our brains, our bodies to drop into that parasympathetic. 719 00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:07,840 So it's going to sound like this. 720 00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:09,680 We're going to inhale. I'm always encouraging it to 721 00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:13,000 inhale as often as possible through your nose. 722 00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:17,160 OK, so we want to be breathing more often through our nose. 723 00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:19,800 There's all kinds of wonderful resources on that. 724 00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:22,240 But so we're going to inhale through our nose, pulling the 725 00:38:22,240 --> 00:38:25,680 breath up through your belly, so letting your entire midsection 726 00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:28,000 expand on the inhale. And we're going to inhale for a 727 00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:30,440 count of four. We're going to hold at the top 728 00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:32,560 for a count of four. And then we're going to exhale 729 00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:34,360 through our mouth for a count of eight. 730 00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:37,160 So I'm going to walk you through I, I think we should do like 3 731 00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:40,280 cycles of that, but just remembering you want this to be 732 00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:43,400 just kind of a really fluid, almost like a wave coming in, 733 00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:47,280 your holding it at the top and you're slowly exhaling and it 734 00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:50,960 might feel like you're running out of breath by a count of 6. 735 00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:52,600 And that's OK. That just shows you that you 736 00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:56,120 want to build, start to build that respiratory flexibility. 737 00:38:56,160 --> 00:39:00,480 So I always recommend relaxing your body first, maybe closing 738 00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:03,760 your eyes if you're not driving, bringing your awareness to your 739 00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:07,280 heart into your body, grounding your feet into the ground. 740 00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:10,120 And then we're going to take a nice deep inhale through the 741 00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:34,200 nose. 2/3 4 hold. 234 exhale. 2345678 inhale, hold exhale, 742 00:39:40,450 --> 00:39:48,720 inhale, hold. And exhale. 743 00:39:54,490 --> 00:39:57,290 Wow, I think I breathe wrong. I think my shoulders like came 744 00:39:57,290 --> 00:39:59,210 up the first time and the second time was better and third time 745 00:39:59,210 --> 00:40:00,130 was even better. So it's like, oh. 746 00:40:00,210 --> 00:40:03,250 There you go. So just bringing your awareness 747 00:40:03,250 --> 00:40:06,410 like that will help you like, oh, wow, I am. 748 00:40:06,690 --> 00:40:09,410 I'm kind of like my shoulders are hunched over, which means 749 00:40:09,410 --> 00:40:12,650 that we're breathing vertically and that's not how our bodies 750 00:40:12,650 --> 00:40:16,280 were designed to breathe. So I think a great little extra 751 00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:21,280 tip is get down on your back and breathe like laying down on your 752 00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:23,240 back and bring your awareness to your belly. 753 00:40:23,240 --> 00:40:27,480 Watch your belly rise when you breathe and and contract when 754 00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:29,120 you exhale. That is how we should be 755 00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:32,400 breathing through our bellies. So it's like permission to let 756 00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:35,880 our bellies just relax. We don't have to be bracing and 757 00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:38,360 holding in our core to build, you know, our core. 758 00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:40,080 So. Is that right? 759 00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:42,480 That's so good. That's so good. 760 00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:44,560 Thank you for that. I have the hardest time 761 00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:47,200 breathing with my diaphragm coming out because I have a 762 00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:49,560 lower back injury. So I've been so used to bracing. 763 00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:53,280 One time my chiropractor, he was like, you just need to relax and 764 00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:54,920 like I do not even know how to do them. 765 00:40:54,920 --> 00:41:00,840 I will not let go. Yeah, so I need your work, I'm 766 00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:03,000 pretty sure. But for the other ladies who are 767 00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:06,960 listening, who are like, I must know Julie as well and what she 768 00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:09,680 does. How can somebody reach you, find 769 00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:12,080 you, get in your world? Yes, thank you. 770 00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:16,440 You can find me on my website, whichisjustmindfulhouse.com. 771 00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:21,080 I'm on Instagram at Mindful House, LinkedIn, Julie Robeken. 772 00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:23,280 ROEBKEN. Yeah. 773 00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:26,560 And I'm super responsive. I have a free newsletter that I 774 00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:29,800 keep everybody up to date with different offerings, retreats, 775 00:41:30,120 --> 00:41:32,920 work that I'm doing. I've been on a little bit of a 776 00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:36,320 sabbatical for 90 days and I'm coming off of that. 777 00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:39,400 So things are going to be ramping back up, but I would 778 00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:42,720 love to hear from you. Happy to point people to 779 00:41:42,720 --> 00:41:45,960 resources, books, techniques, that kind of thing. 780 00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:48,680 So so. Fantastic, I love that you do 781 00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:51,120 retreats and things so people can know about that getting on 782 00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:52,760 your newsletter. That's fantastic. 783 00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:56,040 I'll put all the links to the things that you need in order to 784 00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:58,320 easily connect with Julie in the show notes. 785 00:41:58,320 --> 00:42:02,000 So make sure you go down there and you know, connect with her, 786 00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:05,160 ask questions, share your life with her and and let her get 787 00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:07,560 into your world. You're going to be blessed, no 788 00:42:07,560 --> 00:42:09,560 doubt. Are you going to be blessed and 789 00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:14,040 your future you is I'm going to thank you for saying yes to 790 00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:18,120 saying no. You know, so be thinking about 791 00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:19,800 that. That's very important, but I 792 00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:21,560 have so enjoyed this conversation today. 793 00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:24,680 I could continue on for a long time talking about the stuff 794 00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:29,560 really, because it just is so foundational to clear out the. 795 00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:30,880 Clutter. It's freeing. 796 00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:34,880 It is freeing, yes, so that we can lead the lives that we were 797 00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:38,200 meant to lead and run our race with endurance that's set before 798 00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:40,160 us. And I, you know, I love the 799 00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:42,080 scripture. The Lord reminded me of this 800 00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:43,640 morning. It's in Isaiah somewhere. 801 00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:47,440 And it was that they that wait upon the Lord will renew their 802 00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:49,360 strength and you know, goes on and on. 803 00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:51,920 They will mount up like on wings, like eagles. 804 00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:53,960 They will walk and not grow weary. 805 00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:55,480 They will run and not grow faint. 806 00:42:55,480 --> 00:43:01,040 So waiting is a big deal, like being still and learning to 807 00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:03,480 operate in the fruit of the spirit that we have called 808 00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:07,600 patience is important and not running ahead of God, but 809 00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:11,120 trusting God's timing. And I just did a series here 810 00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:14,160 when a woman listens to God. I don't know based on when this 811 00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:16,600 episode here that we're doing is going to come out, but the last 812 00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:19,720 one just aired today. So you can go back and listen to 813 00:43:19,720 --> 00:43:21,760 how do I wait? Well, how do I forgive? 814 00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:24,840 Because that's huge part, right, of living well and whole and 815 00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:26,960 healed and healthy. It's very important. 816 00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:29,080 This has just been a fantastic topic. 817 00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:31,720 So you're definitely going to want to get into Julie's world. 818 00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:34,160 Friend. Thank you so much for taking the 819 00:43:34,160 --> 00:43:36,880 time to listen in today to the show. 820 00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:40,800 And if this show blessed you, if you loved this whole episode, I 821 00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:42,480 would just love if you would take a second, share it with a 822 00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:44,560 friend. Leave us a rating, review the 823 00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:46,720 show. It means the world so that we 824 00:43:46,720 --> 00:43:50,200 can reach other women who need to hear the message of freedom 825 00:43:50,240 --> 00:43:52,800 also. And we will see you here in the 826 00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:53,400 next one.