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Get away from her you bitch. 
Classic. 

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He was in the Amazon cry along 
when she was researching spiders

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right before she died. 
No. 

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Hannah, you. 
Thought you could call a 

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prostitute or a dog at it I. 
Used to love doggy chow. 

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I used to love doggy chow, too. 
You want to roll around on the 

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floor like lovers? 
Do you want to? 

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Fuck me, Barbara, I'm Crystal. 
Wow. 

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Wow, that was an impressive 
impression. 

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Thank you. 
I adore lasagna. 

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I'm baby lame. 
And welcome to camp. 

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Classic a stupid movie about 
what is it? 

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I'm sorry, I'm just. 
Going to let you a thought 

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through a thoughtful. 
Podcast about stupid movies. 

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Every two weeks these two F 
slurs talk about movies and 

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decide if they're camp. 
And that's that is the two weeks

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are never going to end. 
I feel like this is a death 

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sentence of podcast. 
Is is paedophilia camp? 

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Well, we're going to find out. 
What if it's a woman then then. 

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On today's podcast we are 
tackling paedophilia. 

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Pressure. 
But we are. 

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We are. 
We are head on. 

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But I'm sure it'll be fine. 
I'm going to smash it. 

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You can follow us on Instagram 
at Camp Classics Podcast and 

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make sure you're subscribed on 
whatever platform you happen to 

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be listening on. 
And if you're feeling extra 

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fruity, we have a Gatron where 
you can get a bonus episode 

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every month and support us 
making the show. 

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And it goes down in the Gatreon.
Oh yeah. 

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Like I know like the main people
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talk about movies, but I feel 
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The Gatreon. 
Yeah. 

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Or like STI counselling 
sessions. 

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Yeah. 
How are you actually since the 

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new year? 
How are you physically like? 

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What's been going on? 
Oh yeah, just crumbling. 

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Crumbling. 
Because you do. 

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You hurt your neck. 
Yeah, yeah. 

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I mean it's who cares or you 
ladies pop your pussy like this 

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honestly. 
Keeping it sexy for 2026? 

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Also, I know, like I know we've 
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but do you have any INS and outs
for the year? 

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Yeah, bitch, I'm going that. 
Episode is coming out like the 

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end of January so. 
Well, what are your insurance 

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and outs? 
Have they changed from before? 

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My insurance and outs and outs 
are just the. 

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Cookie and cool way. 
We don't do resolutions now, we 

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do insurance and outs. 
My insurance and outs crystal 

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are what they always were. 
Yeah, Dick in and out of butt 

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I'm. 
A. 

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Homosexual. 
There you go. 

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Beautiful. 
Beautiful. 

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Yeah. 
How about you? 

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No, I don't have any. 
I just, I just thought you 

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might. 
So, yeah, great. 

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Food in, shit out. 
Oh, that's a good one. 

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Yeah, these are practical. 
Yeah. 

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Finger in. 
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Jizz out. 
Awful. 

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I'm a. 
Homosexual. 

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But you guys Speaking of the gay
Tron, Yes, yes, yes. 

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You could be like Laura and 
Jonah who've both just joined as

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pre trial members at the time of
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We have no idea if they've 
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Are you there? 
Are you? 

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Still with us, Jonah? 
Yeah. 

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They're they're, they're teasing
us right now. 

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We're. 
Dirty little edge Nords. 

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Oh, that like delicious phase 
where you're like, is it going 

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to happen? 
Is it not? 

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Yeah, and like maybe. 
Is this a date? 

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Like would you put out on the 
first date? 

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Well, Lauren, Jonah clearly 
won't. 

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Making us wait, yeah, because 
it's going to be good when it 

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when we get through. 
Our recent We recently released 

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we. 
Recently got shadow bands and 

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like blocked by several people 
from the gate shore. 

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Never ever go near us again you 
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We did recently get reported on 
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and Roses sound clip in our 
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I got a copyright notice, so I 
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some jiggery pokery. 
But yeah, we recently released a

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Gatreon exclusive episode on the
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So that's a taste of like what 
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subscriber platform and I'm 
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I'm still gagged in groups. 
That, that was a thing. 

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That the copyright thing. 
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Oh, it's boring. 
Well, the whole thing will go 

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down soon then. 
It's just fucking Axl Rose. 

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Like if anyone's going to get 
you, it's Axl Rose, isn't it? 

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Well, he's listening to this. 
What does that say about him? 

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Do you think he's our one person
listening in Iceland? 

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That way he lives now he's. 
Probably on tour. 

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Axl Rose No, not camp. 
Not camp you silent or were you 

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silenced. 
You could also, you know, if 

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you're not ready to like, 
splurge out on the Gatreon, you 

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could drop us a little comment 
on Instagram like, I don't know,

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Rose McGowan. 
Oh, she's still following us, is

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she? 
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She commented on our barbed wire
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Just the hottest thing on planet
Earth in this movie. 

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And she's right. 
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then she she knows about these 
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Killed. 
Liz, I killed the teen dream. 

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Deal with it. 
But it does, it is nice to read 

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people's comments, you know, And
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as well. 
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I don't mind if you slag us off.
I find that quite funny. 

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I'd actually what I missed from 
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first got on Drag Race, I felt 
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comments and I did find them 
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And like nowadays, it's just a 
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and again, if I if I do 
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with something like an 
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now and again, I'll be like, I 
look at you doing woman face and

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it's like, obviously my clown 
drag is very do you. 

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Think I don't get those comments
anymore. 

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Or do you still get them? 
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viral sometimes talking about 
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and yeah it's just it'll be 10s 
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slur clown. 
It feels reductive. 

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If you wanna see him, I can. 
I can show I. 

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Just quite like them when 
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right? 
Because it's funny. 

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I think it's funny too. 
I screenshot them. 

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I like screenshotting them and 
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their profile. 
That's wonderful. 

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So if you do want to send some 
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We're ready for you. 
Fuck me gently with the 

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chainsaw. 
Or you could be like Suzanne, 

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who sent us some love. 
I'll go on. 

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Suzanne said. 
So glad I discovered Kemp 

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Classics in the past year. 
Looking forward to more in 2026.

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The recent Gremlins episode had 
me remembering this Key and Peel

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sketch about the Gremlins 2 
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Oh, did you send it to me? 
Yeah, it's so funny. 

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And it's bang on. 
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Vegetable gremlin, Broccoli 
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It's so good. 
We should. 

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We'll have to cover gremlins too
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is a worse movie that is somehow
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Yeah. 
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Thanks, Suzanne. 
But baby, what makes a camp 

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classic? 
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we are discussing today, I would
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you could just get some like 
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scores coming. 
Really. 

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Eerie strings. 
Yeah, just like not us getting a

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copyright infringement from 
Philip Glass. 

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I'm going to channel my Judi 
Dench now. 

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I am a trained actor so I should
be able to just jump in the 

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camp. 
Classic is something that 

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unlocks queer joy. 
I want to get a wetty. 

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It needs to be stupid. 
It needs to have an ongoing 

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legacy and inform queer pop 
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It needs to be anti mainstream 
underdog flop vibes that's been 

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reclaimed by the F slurs. 
Love it. 

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That was it, the amount I 
literally gave it my oh you just

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went love it. 
Loves it. 

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I was trying to do a Judi Dench.
I can't do it. 

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It's really hard. 
I don't think I did it 

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necessarily, no. 
But you, you gave Posh. 

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Yeah, I bought it. 
Yeah. 

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Yeah. 
Today we're covering notes on a 

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scandal. 
You're not young. 

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It's a different kind of movie 
for us. 

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Well. 
We we have dipped our toes into 

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Lesbo. 
I have films we've done, but I'm

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a cheerleader. 
We have Love, Lies, Bleeding. 

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Yes. 
What else have we done? 

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Burlesque is that. 
Basic Instinct. 

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Yes. 
Bisexual. 

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Yeah. 
Bisexual panic? 

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Yeah. 
Lesbian lesbian. 

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There's a lesbian in First Wives
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Oh, yes, there is. 
OK, so we've done our we've, 

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we've done our fair bit of 
lesbian, Yeah. 

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This one's very like, different,
different kind of lesbian. 

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It's a completely. 
Different type of film. 

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We've never. 
This is like full on drama. 

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High camp melodrama. 
This movie, it, it, yeah, it's, 

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it's, it's taking itself very 
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seriously it takes itself, when 
you get to business now and you 

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give us its background, we're 
going to be in a different 

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territory to the films we 
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Yeah, I don't. 
I actually don't have much 

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context of this movie because 
when like a small movie that is 

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prestigious gets made, there 
isn't like salacious Hollywood 

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Reporter style tell alls about 
people bitching at each other on

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set. 
Which other movies? 

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Definitely. 
You get that full treatment, 

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don't you? 
You get all the gossip. 

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I've got no gossip but you. 
Must have critical acclaim for 

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this one, yes? 
So this movie, Notes on a 

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Scandal, was released in 2006, 
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and Kate Blanchett. 
Dench versus Blanchett. 

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It was made for $15 million, and
it grossed in nearly 50 million 

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worldwide. 
So it was a big hit made back 

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its budget. 
It has 87% on Rotten Tomatoes, 

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one of the highest movies we've 
covered, I'd say. 

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Yeah, yeah, we're very. 
Normally in the 20s, yeah. 

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Yeah, so, you know, it's a well 
respected movie and it was 

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nominated for loads of awards, 
including. 

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Razzies. 
No razzies. 

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Oh yeah. 
Controversial I. 

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Know I know. 
No Razzies. 

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It was nominated for Best 
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Actress for Judy and Cate 
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It was adapted from a book of 
the same name by Zoe Heller and 

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it is loosely based on what is 
her name Mary. 

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It's loosely based, Mary. 
Kay Olsen. 

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Mary Olsen. 
It's loosely based on the Olsen 

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twins. 
The story. 

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Of Mary Kay Letourneau, who was 
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teacher who had a baby with her 
12 year old student and ended up

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marrying him and that story was 
then made into another movie 

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called May December starring 
Julianne, which. 

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I haven't seen. 
Natalie Portman should. 

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We talk about it on the podcast 
I. 

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Don't know. 
Oh, really? 

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OK. 
It's tough, but we'll get into 

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the the parallels of that a bit.
But yeah, the writer of this 

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book, Zoe Heller, I think, was 
inspired by that story and then 

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was like, but what if it was 
British, Samantha? 

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Jones What's? 
Your history with the movie. 

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I think I might have watched it 
before when it was released 

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maybe and. 
Then you watch it again for 

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this, yeah. 
And that's it. 

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And I, Yeah. 
I mean, I think it's just one of

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those things, isn't it? 
You throw around a name like 

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Judi Dench and Cate Blanchett 
and you're like, well, it must 

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be a good film. 
And yeah, yeah. 

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I had never seen it before, like
about a year ago, and I think we

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got so many requests for it. 
I was like, I don't want to 

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watch this movie. 
And I loved it. 

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And then it was in the 
suggestion sack, wasn't it? 

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And now here we are, and. 
That's what happens. 

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What? 
Happens. 

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So let's get into the plot. 
Yeah, I mean this all. 

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I feel a bit nervous at the 
moment. 

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Oh, just the whole thing. 
This whole experience is just 

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making me a bit nervy because 
there is a plot. 

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There is a plot, yeah. 
But I just feel like normally, 

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normally we just sort of dive 
into like slop that doesn't have

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any real plot. 
You're like normally normally 

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I'm just on the lookout for like
a week or something. 

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Can I loosely? 
Pinned together fight scenes or 

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musical numbers? 
Yeah. 

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And then just something that's 
like gay and then you shout that

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out. 
And so basically I just, I'm not

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sure how qualified I feel to 
talk about a movie that has a 

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coherent plot line with 
performances that are probably 

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quite good. 
Yeah. 

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So it's. 
New territory. 

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It's new. 
Territory. 

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So yeah, I'm up for it, but I'm 
just also a little bit nervous 

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because this isn't normally the 
kind of stuff we talk about. 

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Oh my. 
God, I believe in you. 

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Although you know we're not 
going to escape the The Woke 

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Film Review podcast stations 
anytime soon. 

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I can tell you that doing this 
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sure it'll be fine. 
I'm going to smash it. 

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OK, so we meet Barbara Covet, 
played by Judi Dench. 

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She's a history teacher at a 
comprehensive school in London. 

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She's. 
Also a complete cunt. 

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She is a cow. 
She is. 

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An old boot I've written down. 
She describes herself as a 

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battle out. 
She is. 

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The definition it's like. 
Spinster. 

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Yeah, she lady, she is. 
Not here to play and she is 

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taking down anyone and oh honey,
you think the library's open? 

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Just you wait until you get a 
read from old Barbara because 

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she's going to fucking tell you 
a new one with like. 

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The most flowery prose. 
I love Barbara, so she's 

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narrating this whole movie 
because she's writing it in her 

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diary. 
So you just, whenever you need 

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it, Barbara's there to just give
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Nasty. 
Yeah, it's like nasty, but 

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without, like, being too brutal.
It's like, it's like she uses 

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vocabulary that you would never 
use to just to add an extra 

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layer of how dumb and pathetic 
you are, doesn't she? 

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Yeah. 
She's the first scene is her 

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just describing the contempt she
has for the students and 

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teachers at the school she 
works. 

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Very. 
Jarring because where we are, we

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are in like, I don't know where 
Islington. 

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No, it is Islington, but it's 
like, obviously she's one type 

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of Islington posh. 
And then it looks pretty rough 

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ass, the school. 
And you are just like, how has 

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Barbara ended up teaching there?
Because she she is very, very 

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like thespian, isn't she? 
Yeah. 

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She's kind of giving. 
What's that Lady Hyacinth 

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bouquet? 
Yeah. 

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Yeah, yeah, it's very that 
she's. 

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Just she thinks she's better 
than it all. 

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And you know what? 
I relate. 

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What does she? 
Say about the school, she 

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compared She's Have you got it 
like I've got? 

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This she's she's standing in the
window looking at all the kids 

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coming in and she goes here. 
Come the local pubescent pros, 

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the future plumbers and shop 
assistants, and doubtless the 

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odd terrorist too. 
In the old days we confiscated 

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cigarettes and wack mags. 
Now it's knives and crack 

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cocaine. 
I mean, set up the scene, Mama. 

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Yeah, You know what I mean? 
Like it's. 

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It's wonderful and also. 
We've all been there, but 

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perhaps not with that level of 
vocabulary to to think that, 

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yeah. 
Yeah, Judi Dench is fucking 

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acting her heart out in this 
movie and you are just convinced

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that she is this lady. 
Like it is so believable. 

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Well, it. 
Again, it's it's what I've said 

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just before about this podcast. 
It's new territory for us. 

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Someone who can just act to the 
point where we believe they're 

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the character. 
I'm not sure. 

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Maybe Michelle Pfeiffer? 
Is Catwoman the closest? 

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I guess Judy is kind of doing an
M thing here, isn't she? 

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She's kind of doing the, like, 
bitter teacher version of M from

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James Bond. 
So you're like, already you feel

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safe because you, like, you've 
seen her play stern lady before,

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but now it's just got this 
bitter, nasty twist. 

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And it's. 
Yeah. 

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And also the thing I do really 
like about the way she views the

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world, obviously, yeah, I can 
just relate to her actually. 

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But I also like that it's 
although she's like, older and 

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although she's bitter and 
although she's an old boot, 

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she's smart with what she's 
saying. 

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Like her takedowns of people are
pretty nasty. 

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And on it, they're not just 
like, oh, you would say that 

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because you're a jealous old 
hag. 

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Yeah. 
It's like she's on the money 

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with most of the stuff. 
You mean like when she calls the

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other teacher fat? 
Yep. 

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So then a new art teacher joins 
the school, and what's her name?

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I'm sorry this is a camp classic
just because of her name. 

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Yes, Sheba Heart Sheba. 
Heart short for Bathsheba. 

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I didn't get that. 
That's like a next level of 

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like, that's next level posh. 
If you're called Bathsheba. 

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Do you know anyone called 
Bathsheba? 

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I do not like my accents. 
Bath Sheba. 

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Bathsheba. 
This is directly from the book, 

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and it's we, we looked it up. 
It's a biblical reference. 

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She was the Queen of Sheba. 
Oh, OK. 

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And her whole story is about 
rape. 

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Oh, so. 
And but there's like this 

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question about whether or not 
she was raped or did she want 

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it? 
And so that this is like the 

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biblical question. 
I haven't looked into it too 

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deeply, but they've clearly gone
tell. 

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Yeah. 
But you're saying you'll do, 

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you'll do one of those things we
all do. 

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You're reading with like 
authority. 

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And then as you're speaking, 
you're like, oh, actually, I 

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don't know if I should talk 
about this because I'm kind of 

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making it up. 
But they've clearly been like, 

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that's her story. 
What if 2006, what would that 

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look like in 2006? 
I know what it would look like. 

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You know, women's rights, has 
feminism gone too far, etcetera.

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So. 
But again, from the get go she 

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was getting read to filth by 
this narration isn't. 

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She Have you got anything I've 
got? 

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It's hard to read this wispy 
novice in her Tweedy tramp coat 

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again. 
I'm like, read her to Phil. 

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Is she? 
A Sphinx or simply stupid? 

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Again, I'm like, get her Jade 
now. 

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It reminds me, do you remember 
our friend Cat? 

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Like we had a fight with someone
on the street once and he was 

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like, I don't remember what they
were fighting about, but it was 

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like a drunken late night 
encounter. 

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And she said to him, what are 
you going to do? 

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You're going to go home and 
write about in your diary. 

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I remember that it's. 
Very this because that is what 

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Judy's going to do. 
Yeah, she's going to go, whoa, 

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heaven help you if you end up in
Judy Dentures diary. 

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You will not enjoy it. 
More and then more follows in 

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this, in this opening scene of 
just the most incredible 

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dialogue, isn't it? 
It's. 

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Sensational, so she's. 
So we see Sheba with another 

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school teacher and then what did
she call her? 

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Oh, I don't have fatty. 
Hoggers. 

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That's a little nickname for a 
fatty. 

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Hoggers, the blonde and the pig 
and knickers. 

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The. 
Blonde and the pig and knickers.

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I think fuck all of this 
language that we all use online 

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now we need to go back to what 
Judy Dench is saying this and 

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start calling people pig and 
knickers. 

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Wispy novice speaks. 
It's also quite great because 

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it's like the Sphinx comment. 
Whoever wrote that about Cate 

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Blanchett is also like, writing 
it about Cate Blanchett's face 

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because she doesn't like her 
sphinx. 

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Yeah, she does look a bit wispy.
Yeah. 

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So it's whoever's actually is 
actually just going in. 

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Yeah. 
Cate Blanche. 

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You're right. 
Cate Blanche does look like Cate

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Blanche in this film. 
I. 

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Wonder how many Yeah of Judy's 
lines are directly from the 

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book, or if they've like, toned 
it up or toned it down? 

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Yeah, but yeah, Barbara is not 
immediately attracted to her, 

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but they, she, there's something
about her, isn't there? 

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And so they strike up a 
friendship for Barbara, though 

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this friendship quickly turns to
infatuation and obsession. 

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We've. 
All been there. 

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Sheba is married to the much 
older Richard, played by Bill 

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Nighy, and she's just re 
entering the workforce after 

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devoting herself to her son with
Down syndrome and. 

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So has has have we been to their
house yet? 

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No, No, we haven't. 
OK. 

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I just want to check that. 
Yeah. 

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So maybe we have no. 
Because I think, doesn't she 

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befriend you and go, you must 
come over? 

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Yes. 
And that's when we hear a go. 

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I adore lasagna. 
Yes, you're right. 

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So this. 
Is what's happening. 

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Like basically, Judi Dench is 
kind of getting the hots for 

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Cate Blanchett a bit and she 
gets invited over and that. 

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Turns here from thinking that 
Cate Blanchett is this, like, 

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hippie dippie Liberal Party, you
know, nothing. 

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Yeah, to I've got a chance. 
Oh, I've had an invitation to 

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lunch. 
And then we get this great scene

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of Judy getting a little 
makeover. 

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And we know now we know we're in
a very different territory to 

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the films we normally cover on 
this because we have covered 

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many a makeover. 
And like normally, we know the 

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scene we're trying on a few 
different outfits. 

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Some look good, some don't. 
Some look a bit Katie. 

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Can style is playing, yeah. 
Like, you know, oh, I'm not 

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going to wear that. 
That's too revealing. 

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Or, you know, should we cut your
hair up to here? 

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Should we? 
We've seen it. 

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It's fabulous. 
Talk us with the makeover in 

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this. 
Well, it's. 

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Just a very sad London salon and
a very sad little blow out, 

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isn't it? 
But it's. 

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Like I wrote, what in the Judy 
Andrews is going on with the 

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hair? 
She gets like, she gets her 

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curlers put in. 
Yeah. 

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And. 
She's but she's got a very thin.

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There's no tracks in there. 
There's no, there's definitely 

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no wig because no, because we 
are seeing scout putty. 

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There's no wig. 
There's no wig, and she's got 

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like a little smart blazer and a
very little starched collar. 

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Yeah, the trick is to make it to
make an effort but not appear 

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you've made an effort. 
And. 

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She loves the lasagna as well, 
you know, she said to her. 

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I adore lasagna. 
I adore. 

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Lasagna Lasagna disagrees with 
my bowels, but. 

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Yeah, I'll have a small portion,
Judy trotting up the stairs in a

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little court shoe. 
Yes. 

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Carrying flowers. 
Ready to get some fucking 

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Blanchett pussy? 
Yeah, sorry, but that's what 

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that is what she's after. 
Yeah, she doesn't. 

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She's not looking to hold hands.
She wants to lick well. 

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She does want to get a stroking,
no? 

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We're getting that. 
But then. 

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So then she meets the family for
the Yeah, she. 

457
00:22:49,520 --> 00:22:52,720
Meets the family and she again. 
Hates again, I'm like love you 

458
00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:55,960
Judo because she hates family 
yeah, she hates all of them she 

459
00:22:55,960 --> 00:22:57,640
hates the. 
Slutty daughter what a. 

460
00:22:57,640 --> 00:23:02,360
Mortifying family tradition. 
It's like, speak your truth, 

461
00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:05,040
Judy. 
How old is that daughter as 

462
00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:06,840
well? 
I don't know, She's kind of 

463
00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:09,840
giving like 17, yeah, I guess, 
but. 

464
00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:11,360
Then also looks younger and 
then. 

465
00:23:11,360 --> 00:23:12,840
But, you know, maybe it's just 
this film. 

466
00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:15,480
This film does like to play with
age, doesn't it? 

467
00:23:16,360 --> 00:23:17,720
Foreshadowing. 
Yeah. 

468
00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:21,360
Yeah. 
I mean, imagine Cate Blanchett's

469
00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:24,280
husband is 20 years older than 
her. 

470
00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:27,760
Imagine that. 
Can you imagine if that was 

471
00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:29,160
reversed? 
What would that be like? 

472
00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:32,480
It really makes you think, 
doesn't it? 

473
00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:35,800
So yeah, so then so she's 
basically having dinner with 

474
00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:38,680
them, doesn't she? 
And it's just she hates them. 

475
00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:41,240
She hates. 
Them she's but she's obsessed 

476
00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:44,320
with Cate Blanchett, who she 
thinks is like this poor woman 

477
00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:46,480
who's been trapped by 
circumstances and she's just 

478
00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:47,960
making up all sorts of 
narratives. 

479
00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:51,920
I, I, I love the scene where 
Cate Blanchett's daughter is 

480
00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:58,080
like, why are you all poshed up?
And it's just like, it's really 

481
00:23:58,080 --> 00:24:00,800
Spears duty Dunch, isn't it 
'cause she's just made this big 

482
00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:02,640
thing about like, I'm gonna make
an effort, but I'm not gonna 

483
00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:04,320
look like I made an effort. 
But she really looks like she's 

484
00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:06,480
made an effort for her. 
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 

485
00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:07,680
For. 
Her and. 

486
00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:10,200
And then she has to lie and say,
oh, she's got an appointment in 

487
00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:12,320
town. 
Yeah, but yeah. 

488
00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:14,320
There is there is a weird 
weapons moment where she 

489
00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:17,560
collects some of Cate 
Blanchett's hair and you are 

490
00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:20,800
just like, oh, what in the 
sorcery is about to happen here?

491
00:24:20,840 --> 00:24:23,400
Yeah, she's intense. 
She's let's just put it, she's 

492
00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:25,360
just intense. 
We've all got friends that are a

493
00:24:25,360 --> 00:24:26,280
bit intense. 
She's. 

494
00:24:27,360 --> 00:24:32,120
Forceful, but yeah, so the the 
friendship is turning from into 

495
00:24:32,120 --> 00:24:38,600
infatuation and obsession. 
And then Barbara witnesses Sheba

496
00:24:39,120 --> 00:24:41,600
in a sexual encounter with a 15 
year old student Paint. 

497
00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:43,080
The scene. 
So what's happening? 

498
00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:46,800
So it's the school. 
Christmas concert and they're 

499
00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:52,920
doing a big show on stage and 
Barbara's saving a seat for for 

500
00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:54,760
Sheba. 
Yeah, but she can't find. 

501
00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:55,720
Sheba's not there. 
Where is she? 

502
00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:59,200
So she goes looking for her and 
finds her in I guess some. 

503
00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:01,800
Sort of tech work room, yeah, 
something like that, yeah. 

504
00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:04,520
And Sheba's blowing a 15 year 
old. 

505
00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:08,960
I mean, let's, yeah. 
She is blowing. 

506
00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:09,720
Hard. 
Yeah. 

507
00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:13,600
And this is where it should be 
pointed out that they really 

508
00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:16,440
went there with the castings. 
I don't know how old he was. 

509
00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:21,000
He looks like a young 15 year 
old he was. 16. 

510
00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:23,800
Yeah, I mean, but they, they 
it's not. 

511
00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:27,160
It's not OK they. 
Decided to go let's let's really

512
00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:30,800
choose someone that looks like 
13 years old like they went 

513
00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:33,160
there with that he looks. 
Like a 13 year old trying to 

514
00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:37,760
look like a 16 year old. 
Yeah, it's, it's hard to watch 

515
00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:38,840
like that. 
Don't worry. 

516
00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:40,840
He takes his shirt off and 
you're just like, that is a 

517
00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:44,040
child. 
But you know, I think fair play 

518
00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:46,280
to them if they're making this 
film and they're making it with 

519
00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:50,200
like true conviction of like 
what what the story is about. 

520
00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:53,520
It's I guess that's kind of what
you need to be because they 

521
00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:56,320
could have just cast like 
someone that looked like that 

522
00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:58,280
was 16, that looked like 18. 
You're right. 

523
00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:01,040
You're right. 
It definitely makes it really 

524
00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:03,760
uncomfortable. 
Yeah, we'll get into like 

525
00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:07,440
whether or not I think that's 
effective, I guess maybe when we

526
00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:10,320
get to the end of the movie. 
But like, yeah, they they, they 

527
00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:11,920
do it. 
They do the thing and she's. 

528
00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:13,720
Not having any of it, why would 
she? 

529
00:26:14,360 --> 00:26:18,760
Barbara confronts Sheba, and 
Sheba tells the story of how 

530
00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:21,880
they got involved. 
You know, he dedicated his goal 

531
00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:23,440
to me. 
I thought it was amusing. 

532
00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:25,080
That's. 
Actually a really good 

533
00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:28,600
impression of her. 
And she begs Barbara not to tell

534
00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:30,240
the school until after 
Christmas. 

535
00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:33,400
But Barbara realizes this is the
leverage. 

536
00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:35,400
Oh. 
Honey, she's like, I'm going to 

537
00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:39,320
utilize this now to crack. 
Your legs wide open. 

538
00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:42,640
Yeah. 
So she says she's got no 

539
00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:45,320
intention of reporting her, 
providing Sheba ends the 

540
00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:48,720
relationship immediately and she
plans to use the affair as a 

541
00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:52,040
means of manipulating her. 
And she's like, which I have. 

542
00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:57,400
Respect for her doing that 
because also like I'm sorry, 

543
00:26:57,480 --> 00:27:01,440
Kate Blanchett is the one 
sucking off a 15 year old. 

544
00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:05,240
Yeah. 
You know, like that's, that's, 

545
00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:07,400
you know, give her a taste of 
her own medicine. 

546
00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:10,040
Let's. 
Use that as a way to get 

547
00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:12,040
something for us. 
Yeah, You know, yeah. 

548
00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:16,040
Yeah, let's not do the right 
thing, which is probably report 

549
00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:17,520
this situation. 
Immediately. 

550
00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:20,880
Yeah, No, let's. 
Find a weakness in someone that 

551
00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:21,800
we want to. 
Fuck. 

552
00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:25,320
And then use that, Yeah. 
And just really see what we can,

553
00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:27,280
how we can turn this to our own 
ends. 

554
00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:32,640
What else was I going to say 
about this? 

555
00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:34,400
Oh, yeah. 
And then there's like, some 

556
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:37,640
great, like, diary bits now 
where she's like, oh, we're 

557
00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:39,800
confidants. 
We're locked in Earth. 

558
00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:42,640
Our secret is drawing us ever 
closer together. 

559
00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:47,240
Like it's so great. 
I mean, the woman, bless her, 

560
00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:49,800
she's fucking deluded. 
But is being deluded a crime? 

561
00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:52,320
No, it's it's encouraged, I 
think. 

562
00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:55,720
But again, it's like it's you've
got all of this like romantic, 

563
00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:58,800
like floppy doppy language and 
we're just everything about the 

564
00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:02,040
filmography is so like grey and 
great. 

565
00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:07,320
Oh, it's so 2006. 
It's like so dumb. 

566
00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:09,120
Yeah, London isn't it? 
Even though. 

567
00:28:09,120 --> 00:28:12,160
They're rich Londoners. 
It's just like everything's just

568
00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:15,080
like there's no life in anything
because yeah. 

569
00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:17,680
Like and that the score, we 
haven't talked about that, but 

570
00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:19,880
like it is nuts. 
It is. 

571
00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:21,760
Spiraling out of control by this
it's. 

572
00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:25,240
Giving like Vertigo, like 
everything is so dramatic. 

573
00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:27,560
I was listening to this this 
morning while I was shaving and 

574
00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:29,480
I was like, I am suddenly the 
main character in a 

575
00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:33,000
psychological thriller. 
Like everything I do is the most

576
00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:35,360
dramatic thing that has ever 
happened. 

577
00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:37,920
It's it's great. 
If you ever want to feel 

578
00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:42,280
unhinged or like maybe you're 
about to be murdered in a sexual

579
00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:45,480
way, put the soundtrack on. 
That sounds great. 

580
00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:48,320
Sign me up. 
But then so then, yeah. 

581
00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:51,600
So we're under the impression. 
Sheba's going to end it. 

582
00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:55,080
But then he's got good game, 
hasn't he? 

583
00:28:55,840 --> 00:29:01,080
He's got lines, he's got bars. 
There's a bit where he says to 

584
00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:05,160
her like, so Sheba's no, Sheba 
identifies. 

585
00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:09,440
What is it before? 
Has she identified that he's a 

586
00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:12,800
trouble child? 
I think she went maybe when she 

587
00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:15,320
was telling Barbara the story 
about how they got together. 

588
00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:16,560
Oh, she's like. 
Yeah. 

589
00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:21,040
She's like he tells her that his
dad is abusive and his mum is 

590
00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:23,240
dying. 
And he's actually got a talent 

591
00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:25,080
for art, and she's an art 
teacher. 

592
00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:27,560
And she thinks giving 
one-on-one, that's how she's 

593
00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:30,480
explaining it to him. 
And as part of that flashback, 

594
00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:33,200
he goes, are you a good cook, 
miss? 

595
00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:35,480
And she's like, oh, no, don't be
silly. 

596
00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:38,440
And he goes, do you suck? 
And I was just, like, I put, 

597
00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:40,080
well played. 
It's a good line. 

598
00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:42,160
It's a great line. 
Very snappy. 

599
00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:44,400
Yeah. 
And she's just like falling for 

600
00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:46,520
it. 
He's got some very he's got some

601
00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:48,400
very strong lines. 
I've been dreaming about your 

602
00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:53,200
hot sweet cunt all morning. 
Yeah, there's another one he 

603
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:54,560
hasn't. 
Mentioned it, but he's Irish, 

604
00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:56,240
Yeah. 
Why is he Irish? 

605
00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:57,960
He also. 
Sends this text to her. 

606
00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:01,880
Happy Christmas Miss Let, I need
to get more into that. 

607
00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:05,560
There you go, happy Christmas 
miss, Wish I was fucking your 

608
00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:11,160
blind right now. 
And it's on like a Nokia 3310 

609
00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:14,320
just. 
Like, yeah, he's very direct, 

610
00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:18,280
He's very to the point. 
But yeah, it's working, isn't 

611
00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:18,880
it? 
Yeah. 

612
00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:22,240
I mean, we shouldn't really be 
laughing about this 15 year old,

613
00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:27,400
but you have to but. 
Also if you were in his boat and

614
00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:29,880
you just wanted to fuck your 
teacher I think. 

615
00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:33,680
That's one of the big problems 
this movie has is that it it 

616
00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:37,960
makes it seem kind of 
understandable. 

617
00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:40,680
Does it a little. 
It's like it's this is what he 

618
00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:42,040
wanted. 
Do you know what I mean? 

619
00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:43,800
Oh. 
OK, Yeah. 

620
00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:46,080
Oh yeah. 
Oh, didn't think about that. 

621
00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:49,240
Because I'm kind of like, he's a
horny teenager. 

622
00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:49,720
Yeah. 
I mean. 

623
00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:53,640
He is a horny teenager. 
It's very wrong though. 

624
00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:56,760
Oh, no, I know it's very wrong, 
but like I think maybe from his 

625
00:30:56,760 --> 00:30:59,480
perspective, because I think the
thing and we're sort of jumping 

626
00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:01,560
all over the place here because 
as I said, this is new 

627
00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:03,800
territory. 
Not only are we dealing with a 

628
00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:06,560
film where people can act, 
there's a plot, we're also 

629
00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:09,320
dealing with an incredibly 
sensitive, complex subject 

630
00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:11,560
matter which I don't think we're
capable to talk about. 

631
00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:14,160
No. 
But what I will say is they are 

632
00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:18,480
very good at making him very one
note stupid teenager. 

633
00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:21,800
Like, yes, he is not emotionally
mature. 

634
00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:27,080
No, he, the way he talks to her 
is very, very childlike. 

635
00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:30,920
There's not, there's not this 
sense the the maturity at all 

636
00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:32,640
about him. 
So I find it interesting, but 

637
00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:35,880
it's hard being a teenager. 
Yeah, let's. 

638
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:37,600
Move on. 
Let's move swiftly along. 

639
00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:39,120
Where? 
Are we in this movie? 

640
00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:42,400
So it's, I think now it's the 
Christmas break and Barbara 

641
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:45,280
visits her sister and. 
She's also been saying as well, 

642
00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:47,400
hasn't she? 
So some of this language is 

643
00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:49,720
building in as well. 
Like another thing she says is I

644
00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:52,840
could gain everything now. 
So for Barbara, the stakes are 

645
00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:54,800
high. 
She's seen this weakness 

646
00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:56,280
situation. 
Yeah. 

647
00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:58,920
And she's going for it. 
And we're sort of led to believe

648
00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:02,160
that Sheba's like she's touched 
the fire and she's like, I'm 

649
00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:04,840
never going to do that. 
Yes, yeah, yeah, exactly. 

650
00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:07,680
So Barbara visits her sister, 
who asks about another young 

651
00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:09,400
teacher that Barbara had 
befriended. 

652
00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:11,600
And we, we heard about this 
woman before. 

653
00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:14,560
At this point, maybe, But 
Barbara stiffly says. 

654
00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:16,680
Jennifer Yeah. 
Barbara stiffly says that the 

655
00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:19,320
young teacher moved away. 
Barbara's sister asks if she has

656
00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:22,680
any other female friends, 
strongly implying she thinks 

657
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:25,800
Barbara's a lesbian, but she. 
Didn't just move away, she moved

658
00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:28,520
to Stoke, which I thought was 
quite a camp line there. 

659
00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:30,360
She's. 
Got a fiance. 

660
00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:33,240
Barbara insists she has no idea 
what her sister was talking 

661
00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:36,520
about, but it's it's that's kind
of a very heartbreaking moment. 

662
00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:37,880
Her sister tries to reach out to
her. 

663
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:41,480
She's trying to say like, I know
that you may be are gay and it 

664
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:44,080
would be fine with me if that 
was the case. 

665
00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:47,320
And Barbara's like, Nope, walls 
are up. 

666
00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:50,840
Yep, Yep. 
Sheba has told Barbara that the 

667
00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:55,000
affair is over and tries to stop
and tries to stop seeing 

668
00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:58,000
Stephen, but he's very 
persistent and she finds herself

669
00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:01,240
unable to stop well. 
She's literally getting railed. 

670
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:03,360
She's. 
Getting railed on train tracks. 

671
00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:05,720
Yeah, yeah, she's sneaking out 
over Christmas. 

672
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:10,160
She also brings him into her 
shed in her back garden, which I

673
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:12,000
think is fucking stupid. 
Oh. 

674
00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:14,320
Yeah, that's the Fox spot. 
Do not. 

675
00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:19,880
Use property on your own estate 
but camp clue. 

676
00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:23,440
Go on they're. 
Like lying together post coitus 

677
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:25,200
and she puts on Susie and the 
banshees. 

678
00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:26,240
Oh. 
OK. 

679
00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:30,080
Yeah, I just think. 
Now we've 3 movies, showgirls, 

680
00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:32,520
Batman Returns, notes on a 
scandal all. 

681
00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:34,640
Doing it, yeah. 
I mean, that scene was really 

682
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:36,920
just like, it felt gross, didn't
it? 

683
00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:39,720
So gross. 
It really, I, I thought it was 

684
00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:44,960
clever the way he puts on like a
hat he finds in the in the art 

685
00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:48,680
shed. 
And she's like, take that out. 

686
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:51,640
Yeah, because it's for, it's a 
costume she's making for her 

687
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:54,000
son, who is like the same age as
him. 

688
00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:57,160
And she's like, she sees herself
there. 

689
00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:01,000
And I think another thing that's
really smart, a smart choice, I 

690
00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:03,480
don't think necessarily they 
make the smartest choices all 

691
00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:06,280
the way through the film. 
But another smart choice I think

692
00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:11,000
is you never get turned on by 
their interactions, which I 

693
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:14,880
think I think lots of people, 
lots of film makers have done 

694
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:18,280
this before, whether it's a guy 
hooking up with a younger girl, 

695
00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:21,639
vice versa, where there's like 
more of a like, although he's 

696
00:34:21,639 --> 00:34:24,400
like sexual and although he's 
seducing her and although he's 

697
00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:28,480
saying all of these lines, 
they're not strong enough to 

698
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:31,000
kind of make you think, oh, 
that's kind of hot. 

699
00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:34,159
It's yeah, it's. 
Almost embarrassing, like you're

700
00:34:34,159 --> 00:34:37,639
like, oh, I've I can imagine 
sending that text, but you 

701
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:39,880
could. 
Imagine them totally doing this 

702
00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:42,679
where he's like whispering in 
her ear and stuff and it gets a 

703
00:34:42,679 --> 00:34:43,880
bit exciting for you. 
You're. 

704
00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:46,120
So right seen. 
To just not like. 

705
00:34:46,199 --> 00:34:50,600
I haven't seen Lolita, but I can
imagine in that, which is like 

706
00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:54,520
the gender swap version that 
yeah, it's played for like 

707
00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:56,760
sexual titillation. 
I mean, there's so many movies 

708
00:34:56,760 --> 00:35:00,680
where an older man and like a 
young woman and it's like no 

709
00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:02,800
one's like questions whether or 
not that's hot. 

710
00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:05,760
It's awful, but it's. 
Just it's a clever way they've 

711
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:08,480
done it because he does have a 
huge amount of sexual power over

712
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:11,560
her and he's still doing all of 
the things to seduce her, but 

713
00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:14,120
it's just not reading in a 
sexual you're so. 

714
00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:17,520
Right, that's a good point and. 
So meanwhile she's getting 

715
00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:19,840
fucked. 
Also, as I'm about to say the 

716
00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:21,760
fuck of her life. 
There's something about his 

717
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:24,840
small, but it's just not lying 
that it is. 

718
00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:27,880
It's just you're just like 
you're gross when she's doing 

719
00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:28,280
it. 
Yeah. 

720
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:32,000
There's no way that is good sex,
no. 

721
00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:34,000
And it's like he doesn't have 
any wit like when they're 

722
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:36,880
smoking afterwards, they've got 
nothing in common. 

723
00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:41,080
He doesn't have any funny lines.
And it's like you are just like 

724
00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:44,320
you are a psychopath who's 
pretending to be a teenage girl 

725
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:46,960
now. 
It's it's it's a weird world, 

726
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:49,440
but I guess that's the world of 
paedophilia people. 

727
00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:57,120
But while this is happening, all
we're getting sad because 

728
00:35:57,400 --> 00:36:00,560
Porpoise is dying, yeah. 
And like, just to really make it

729
00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:03,120
clear what kind of woman Barbara
is, unless, in case you weren't 

730
00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:05,520
clear, she's also a crazy cat 
lady. 

731
00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:09,520
She's got nothing going on. 
Yeah, she's very upset. 

732
00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:13,080
Her cat is dying, so she goes 
over to Sheba's house. 

733
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:16,600
And like, she she like, we're 
getting like actual sort of a 

734
00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:19,880
sense of like how unhinged 
Barbara is because like, yeah, 

735
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:23,040
she's been slagging her off. 
She's been bitchy. 

736
00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:27,560
But she's she's kind of, you 
know, in her own Swedish way, 

737
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:30,200
thinks that she's deluded that 
she can hook up with her. 

738
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:32,800
But we're now sort of seeing 
more of a desperation side to 

739
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:35,520
her because she like, basically 
stops the car, doesn't she? 

740
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:38,440
She drags her out and she's 
like, you need to help me. 

741
00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:40,120
My pussy is dying, right? 
This hasn't. 

742
00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:43,520
Even happened yet? 
Oh, so she's at her house and 

743
00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:46,920
she's upset. 
She turns to Sheba for comfort, 

744
00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:48,760
and this is where we get the 
stroking scene. 

745
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:53,240
Oh yeah, and. 
We. 

746
00:36:53,240 --> 00:36:56,840
Used to tries to. 
What she says was we used to 

747
00:36:56,840 --> 00:37:00,680
stroke each other at school and 
then close your eyes. 

748
00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:03,200
Doesn't work if you don't close 
your eyes and then. 

749
00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:07,360
Standing there in the kitchen 
and it's a very sensuous 

750
00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:11,200
stroking. 
And listen, from what my friends

751
00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:13,920
that are lesbians have told me, 
there's a lot of lot in a 

752
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:18,680
stroke, and she's getting ready 
to show her stroking skills in 

753
00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:26,480
the sea. 
My husband loves a stroke and I 

754
00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:29,800
don't even mean in a sexual way 
if we are sat anywhere become. 

755
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:33,040
Sexual then, if we are. 
Sat next to each other anywhere,

756
00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:36,120
cinema, dinner, on the couch. 
I have to be stroking his. 

757
00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:37,600
Arm. 
Does he give you a duty? 

758
00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:38,560
Does he, Barbara? 
You. 

759
00:37:38,720 --> 00:37:39,920
Yeah. 
And so, yes. 

760
00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:41,080
And so we're watching this 
movie. 

761
00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:42,480
He's like, I don't like this 
scene. 

762
00:37:44,240 --> 00:37:45,840
Because he can see himself as 
Barbara. 

763
00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:49,920
Oh my God. 
But it's so funny. 

764
00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:51,880
Yeah. 
Because she's being made to, 

765
00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:56,160
like, close her eyes. 
And then Barbara utters, there's

766
00:37:56,160 --> 00:38:00,480
a good girl. 
And then she's like, oh God, no.

767
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:02,120
And she? 
Kind of gets a sense that this 

768
00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:04,760
is turning a bit sexual and she 
does not like it. 

769
00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:08,240
So she tries to rebuff Barbara 
and that's when Barbara sees 

770
00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:13,200
Stephen going into her shed and 
she realizes the affair is still

771
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:15,600
on. 
She the phone rings, she picks 

772
00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:18,240
it up and she hears Stephen 
saying I've been dreaming about 

773
00:38:18,240 --> 00:38:22,880
your hot sweet cunt all morning 
and and she realizes what's 

774
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:25,520
going on. 
So Barbara storms out of the 

775
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:26,480
house. 
She's. 

776
00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:28,120
She's going to say you're not 
young. 

777
00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:31,360
Exactly, and then they have a 
big conversation on the road. 

778
00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:34,840
You're not young once. 
He's had his fill. 

779
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:36,680
He'll discard you like an old 
rag. 

780
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:41,840
You're not young. 
I say this to help you one. 

781
00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:46,880
Of the best lines in the movie. 
It's incredible, and I think 

782
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:50,240
this is when Sheba actually 
decides she's going to end it. 

783
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:51,800
Anyway, that's all been a bit 
murky. 

784
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:53,040
It's been a bit murky. 
The. 

785
00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:56,160
The threat of being discovered 
now is real. 

786
00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:58,920
Real. 
So Sheba is in big, big trouble.

787
00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:02,920
Now and then Barbara's cat dies 
and so she goes back to the 

788
00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:07,240
house to get comforted by Sheba.
But Sheba is late for a school 

789
00:39:07,240 --> 00:39:09,920
play, she does not have time for
it and her family is sick to 

790
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:12,280
fucking death of her. 
Like, what is that old witch 

791
00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:15,560
doing here? 
And so she believes and 

792
00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:18,200
Barbara's like, oh, I can't 
count on you at all. 

793
00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:21,000
And that's when she snaps and 
decides she's going to tell. 

794
00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:25,760
She says to Sheba here, someone 
has died. 

795
00:39:26,720 --> 00:39:29,040
Incredible line you. 
Owe me this. 

796
00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:34,240
You owe me this. 
So Barbara reveals the affair in

797
00:39:34,240 --> 00:39:37,400
like a kind of sly, sneaky way 
to another teacher at the 

798
00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:39,120
school. 
And I won't get into how that 

799
00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:43,240
happens, maybe, but the affair 
comes out, Stephen's mother 

800
00:39:43,240 --> 00:39:46,520
comes over to Sheba's house and 
slaps the fuck out of her and 

801
00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:48,840
what? 
We've also found out before this

802
00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:52,640
is that he was lying about, he's
not from this like hard to do 

803
00:39:52,720 --> 00:39:55,160
background, his parents are 
there, blah blah blah. 

804
00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:59,200
But again, slightly problematic 
that he's maybe manipulated her.

805
00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:02,080
And yeah. 
Yeah, but yeah, back to the good

806
00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:04,160
stuff. 
Yeah, she gets a fucking hard 

807
00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:05,040
slap. 
Yeah, she. 

808
00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:07,360
Sure does. 
And it all comes out the presser

809
00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:10,160
like having a field day. 
She gets arrested, she loses her

810
00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:12,280
job. 
It's like front page news. 

811
00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:14,040
So what's? 
Barbara going to do well. 

812
00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:17,480
Barbara, the headmaster, accuses
Barbara of not of knowing about 

813
00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:19,600
the affair and not notifying the
authorities. 

814
00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:25,400
He and he also relearns and 
tells the audience that this 

815
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:28,000
Jennifer we've heard about has a
restraining order against 

816
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:29,480
Barbara. 
So this is not the first teacher

817
00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:32,720
that Barbara's had a thing for. 
He makes Barbara go into early 

818
00:40:32,720 --> 00:40:36,840
retirement and forces her out of
the school, but at this point, 

819
00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:39,920
Sheba doesn't know that 
Barbara's the reason everyone 

820
00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:41,480
has found out. 
I don't know how she doesn't 

821
00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:44,520
know that, but she doesn't. 
So she gets kicked out of her 

822
00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:47,240
house and moves into Barbara's 
place because she but. 

823
00:40:47,240 --> 00:40:49,520
Also, she has an argument with 
her husband. 

824
00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:51,120
I don't know, because he's 
shamed as well. 

825
00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:54,160
And then he goes, he says it 
like it's a universal thing. 

826
00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:56,520
Everybody wants someone young. 
I get it. 

827
00:40:57,000 --> 00:41:00,280
It's like, OK, do we all? 
Yeah, again, it's. 

828
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:04,720
Like another line of like, yeah.
What is that? 

829
00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:06,560
Yeah. 
What does this movie think about

830
00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:10,120
all of Yeah? 
Because everybody here seems to 

831
00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:13,200
be like wanting to go out with 
people a lot younger and. 

832
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:16,440
Maybe, maybe the movie thinks 
everyone's bad for that, but I'm

833
00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:20,320
not totally convinced it does. 
But the movie does definitely 

834
00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:23,080
seem to be saying there's 
parallel between Bill Nye and 

835
00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:25,400
Cate Blanchett with their twenty
year age difference and Cate 

836
00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:30,280
Blanchett and a 15 year old with
their twenty year difference and

837
00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:32,520
and. 
Also the grossness, the apparent

838
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:35,640
grossness of Judy with Kate 
being in the older women as 

839
00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:38,800
well. 
Yeah, it's complicated, but a 

840
00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:40,440
tangled. 
Web but. 

841
00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:42,840
You know, Sheba's got nowhere to
live now. 

842
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:46,440
Yeah, so. 
She moves into Barbara's flat 

843
00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:48,840
and they fall. 
In love. 

844
00:41:49,720 --> 00:41:52,200
The end well through. 
Barbaras eyes they like having 

845
00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:56,120
these beautiful moments and 
suddenly Diaries getting very 

846
00:41:56,120 --> 00:42:00,160
like love lawn and like these 
precious moments together and 

847
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:04,440
Gold Star. 
Days all over the place yeah, 

848
00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:08,520
she's there's a scene of her 
watching Sheba sleep and she's 

849
00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:11,440
like considering touching her 
leg and then she just like moves

850
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:14,200
the blanket over her sees. 
A peek of ankle? 

851
00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:17,480
Yeah. 
The press are hounding Sheba, 

852
00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:19,440
and she's kind of getting to a 
breaking point, isn't she? 

853
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:23,760
And then she does like, a really
fab makeover moment because she 

854
00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:26,040
used to be like a punk goth girl
in her youth. 

855
00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:29,120
And she's like, fuck it, if I'm 
going to be the slut Herod and 

856
00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:32,680
whore, I'm going to be it. 
And so she, like, draws on heavy

857
00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:34,800
black eyeliner. 
She puts on her fishnets and she

858
00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:39,360
teases her hair and she's like, 
yeah, now I'll be your slut. 

859
00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:43,400
But that's when she discovers 
the diary. 

860
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:51,200
She finds the diary and learns 
what Barbara has done and how 

861
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:54,280
she's been writing about her and
what she thinks is going on. 

862
00:42:55,920 --> 00:42:58,560
And Barbara comes home and they 
have their big blowout. 

863
00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:00,680
And this is like the scene and 
I. 

864
00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:02,360
Love just before we get into the
scenes. 

865
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:06,240
I love during the scene Kate 
Blanchett drops an accent. 

866
00:43:06,240 --> 00:43:08,440
She goes a bit Aussie, quite 
funny. 

867
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:10,240
Another little camp thing I 
find. 

868
00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:12,800
It was at this point I realized 
that Judi Dench looks a bit like

869
00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:14,160
Pamela Anderson without makeup 
on. 

870
00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:19,080
Like reel back the footage just 
before we get into the meat of 

871
00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:19,720
it. 
OK. 

872
00:43:19,720 --> 00:43:21,240
Pammy, I'll take a look. 
Yeah, I'll take a look. 

873
00:43:21,240 --> 00:43:22,640
Just Chuck. 
A bigger wig on right? 

874
00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:24,440
And it's Pamela Anderson. 
Just saying I. 

875
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:27,080
Wonder how old Judi Dench was 
here? 

876
00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:32,600
Probably our age. 
But yeah, so now it's time for 

877
00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:36,880
like fucking Titans of the 
acting world to really fucking 

878
00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:39,920
ham it up and show us how a 
distinguished catfight goes 

879
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:42,200
down. 
Yes, it's very hair pulling. 

880
00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:44,800
Oh no. 
It does get physical, but yeah, 

881
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:46,480
it's Shakespeare. 
Yeah. 

882
00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:50,400
It's so good. 
It's the big confrontation. 

883
00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:53,440
Sheba pushes Barbara into a 
mirror. 

884
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:56,960
This is where we get You want to
roll around on the floor like 

885
00:43:56,960 --> 00:43:59,840
lovers. 
You want to fuck me, Barbara? 

886
00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:02,560
I only have tender feelings for 
you. 

887
00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:06,080
And then runs outside into the 
crowd of reporters and she's 

888
00:44:06,080 --> 00:44:08,440
like hemmed in by them and it's 
all getting a bit too much. 

889
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:14,160
And then she's. 
Like here I am melodrama queen 

890
00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:17,080
claiming like what you're a pedo
like. 

891
00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:22,680
Barbara comes out and rescues 
her, and then she comes back 

892
00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:25,680
inside and they kind of actually
have the real talk about what's 

893
00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:28,760
been going on. 
She tells Barbara that she had 

894
00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:30,680
initiated their friendship 
because she liked her and they 

895
00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:32,840
could have been friends. 
And Barbara says, I need more 

896
00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:34,800
than a friend. 
This is a great line. 

897
00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:36,960
People like her have no idea 
what it's like to be so 

898
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:40,120
chronically untouched that the 
accidental touch of a bus 

899
00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:44,080
conductor's hand sends a jolt of
longing straight to your groin. 

900
00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:51,280
Imagine writing that you'd be so
pleased with being a. 

901
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:53,880
Lesbian. 
Are we just getting an authentic

902
00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:56,480
deep dive into lesbian life? 
Maybe. 

903
00:44:56,480 --> 00:45:01,080
I don't know, is this, is this 
why there were so many cliches 

904
00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:03,200
about like intense lesbian 
relationships? 

905
00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:06,120
Because actually, when you 
scratch beneath the surface, 

906
00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:09,720
this is the kind minus 
paedophilia, might I add, This 

907
00:45:09,720 --> 00:45:10,800
is what's going on. 
Well, the. 

908
00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:12,840
The lesbian in this movie isn't 
a paedophile. 

909
00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:15,400
No, I mean she is into a younger
woman. 

910
00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:16,480
She. 
Could have been when she was 

911
00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:17,640
like 18, yeah. 
I mean. 

912
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:20,280
We don't know what happened when
she was she was age with the 

913
00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:29,000
students, but Jesus. 
So she believes Barbara and 

914
00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:32,920
returns to her husband and is 
subsequently sentenced to 10 

915
00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:35,080
months in prison. 
But it's strongly implied that 

916
00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:37,160
she reconciles with her family 
after that. 

917
00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:39,840
Yeah. 
And then the final scene is 

918
00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:44,240
Barbara back on the hill where 
she used to go with Sheba. 

919
00:45:44,240 --> 00:45:46,800
And she meets another younger 
woman who is reading a newspaper

920
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:51,400
article about the whole affair. 
And she sits herself down, 

921
00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:53,720
introduces herself, and the 
camera pans out. 

922
00:45:53,720 --> 00:45:56,320
And we're like, oh, she's at it 
again. 

923
00:45:56,320 --> 00:45:56,880
I know. 
And. 

924
00:45:56,920 --> 00:46:03,520
Like, I'm so sorry, I am so 
angry with the, the, the 

925
00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:06,120
pitching of that last scene 
because it's it's a bit, it's 

926
00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:08,520
always a bit like talented Mr. 
Ripley. 

927
00:46:08,520 --> 00:46:11,840
Yes, it's very like, oh, we're 
in trouble. 

928
00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:13,480
It's going to continue. 
She's. 

929
00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:15,640
Struck before and she will 
strike again, whereas. 

930
00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:19,760
I'm just like, So what? 
The paedophile gets away with 

931
00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:21,960
it. 
Ten months in prison. 

932
00:46:22,120 --> 00:46:25,640
She probably will go back to him
when he's like 16 and legal and 

933
00:46:25,640 --> 00:46:28,600
have another affair with him. 
And then I meant to hate on 

934
00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:31,960
Barbara who's literally just 
trying a bit of cruising and is 

935
00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:35,560
finding like someone less on. 
Hamster as well, right? 

936
00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:38,800
Yeah, and I'm presuming the 
women reading the newspaper is a

937
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:42,920
little bit less problematic than
Sheba is, and I meant to vilify 

938
00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:43,880
her. 
Yeah. 

939
00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:45,960
Like. 
Also, do we know anything else 

940
00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:47,800
about Jennifer's back story? 
No. 

941
00:46:47,880 --> 00:46:51,040
No, Jennifer could also be 
problematic, Yeah. 

942
00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:53,880
Like, what has Barbara really 
done wrong? 

943
00:46:54,040 --> 00:46:58,800
It's not a crime to be intense. 
It's not a crime to, you know, 

944
00:46:58,840 --> 00:47:01,680
write, write creepy things in 
your journal. 

945
00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:03,040
It's a bit weird, but it's not 
a. 

946
00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:05,920
Journaling. 
It's a dying art of journaling. 

947
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:09,080
Her big. 
Her big. 

948
00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:12,480
The problem was that she didn't 
report the paedophilia when it 

949
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:15,320
happened. 
Yeah, if she'd done that, you 

950
00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:16,800
know what? 
Barbara gets a pass and. 

951
00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:23,600
Also, like, I'm sorry, but if I 
really was in, if I was in 

952
00:47:23,720 --> 00:47:28,080
Barbara's situation and if I was
a psychopath that really wanted 

953
00:47:28,080 --> 00:47:32,080
to fuck Cate Blanchett, I would 
put my cards on the table and be

954
00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:34,120
more honest. 
I'd be like, I know what you've 

955
00:47:34,120 --> 00:47:35,760
done. 
You're going to prison. 

956
00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:40,200
Lick me out. 
You know, actually Judy Dench 

957
00:47:40,240 --> 00:47:43,640
character Barbara is, she's more
trying to romanticize it. 

958
00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:46,600
She wants to kind of fall in 
love and build this 

959
00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:50,280
relationship. 
She's just misunderstood. 

960
00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:55,080
But yeah, I do not have any 
problem with Barbara in this 

961
00:47:55,080 --> 00:47:57,240
film. 
I have zero problem with her. 

962
00:47:57,480 --> 00:48:00,680
She is the hero with the piece 
and that is my ending. 

963
00:48:00,680 --> 00:48:04,280
So to make her into a creepy old
woman, No, not having it. 

964
00:48:04,280 --> 00:48:05,360
No, sorry. 
It's. 

965
00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:06,400
Homophobic. 
Yeah. 

966
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:08,560
I mean, this is my big question 
about this movie. 

967
00:48:08,560 --> 00:48:12,880
Is this movie homophobic? 
Oh, because it is. 

968
00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:17,440
Really leaning on the like, 
dangerous. 

969
00:48:17,680 --> 00:48:20,120
Lesbian yeah. 
Cliche tropes. 

970
00:48:20,120 --> 00:48:22,520
Yeah, I. 
Mean it's not done as often as 

971
00:48:22,520 --> 00:48:26,360
the dangerous gay man trope, but
like there is a history of this 

972
00:48:26,360 --> 00:48:28,960
kind of representation and it's 
you definitely can't call this 

973
00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:32,840
good representation. 
Oh, A. 100% no, no, no. 

974
00:48:33,280 --> 00:48:37,200
The only like I'd say the 
mitigating factors for this is 

975
00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:38,720
that the movie does show 
Barbara. 

976
00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:45,160
Legal language. 
We are really on a very 

977
00:48:45,160 --> 00:48:48,080
different podcast right now. 
What in the fuck is going on? 

978
00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:54,840
It's it's that Barbara's sister 
is like tries to be accepting. 

979
00:48:55,160 --> 00:48:59,000
And so you get the sense that 
like, this is Barbara's problem.

980
00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:02,560
Not necessarily. 
It's not the movie's opinion 

981
00:49:02,560 --> 00:49:06,480
that all lesbians are like this.
It's like this is a Barbara 

982
00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:10,000
thing rather than like. 
But it's still I'd say it's it's

983
00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:13,080
not great representation. 
And I think the other, if you're

984
00:49:13,080 --> 00:49:15,440
going to be generous, the 
generous reading is that 

985
00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:18,040
Barbara's from a generation 
where society didn't accept 

986
00:49:18,040 --> 00:49:20,360
this. 
And this is kind of what what 

987
00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:22,920
can be a product of that kind of
society? 

988
00:49:23,040 --> 00:49:24,480
Yeah, but you're so. 
Right. 

989
00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:28,360
Because it's like they could 
have, I mean, I know this isn't 

990
00:49:28,360 --> 00:49:32,760
what they were trying to do, but
they could have made Sheba more 

991
00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:39,200
manipulative to Barbara, so more
aware that Barbara was into her 

992
00:49:39,240 --> 00:49:44,640
and her playing into that, yes. 
There's that like sprinkle of 

993
00:49:44,640 --> 00:49:46,240
that isn't there? 
But but just they. 

994
00:49:46,240 --> 00:49:50,120
Could and then therefore then 
that like kind of negative 

995
00:49:50,120 --> 00:49:54,080
lesbian trope wouldn't have been
as as sort of evil yeah because 

996
00:49:54,080 --> 00:49:56,120
it would have been like, oh she 
was in love with her and she's 

997
00:49:56,120 --> 00:49:58,840
been manipulated and that would 
have been just as interesting 

998
00:49:58,840 --> 00:50:00,560
because the. 
Sense you get from this movie is

999
00:50:00,560 --> 00:50:04,920
that Sheba's kind of the hero of
the story, and it's like I, I 

1000
00:50:04,920 --> 00:50:07,120
wrote the sound. 
I think you're meant to find 

1001
00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:12,000
Barbara's infatuation with Sheba
more horrifying than you are 

1002
00:50:12,240 --> 00:50:15,120
Sheba's relationship with a boy 
I. 

1003
00:50:15,120 --> 00:50:16,960
Agree. 
I agree that's. 

1004
00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:20,120
Like the horror of this movie is
not the paedophilia, it's the 

1005
00:50:20,120 --> 00:50:23,760
lesbian attraction you're. 
So right, because it, they allow

1006
00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:27,600
Sheba to humanize her story. 
Yes, so much more. 

1007
00:50:27,720 --> 00:50:32,520
So we find out that that the boy
has been lying about his his 

1008
00:50:32,560 --> 00:50:35,600
family setup and actually he 
comes from a really happy home. 

1009
00:50:35,600 --> 00:50:37,520
So he's lied to her, he's 
manipulated her. 

1010
00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:40,600
We've she's got trust issues 
with her husband. 

1011
00:50:40,760 --> 00:50:42,680
Yeah, because he also had an 
affair and. 

1012
00:50:42,680 --> 00:50:45,080
She's had a hard time, her kids,
you know, hasn't been easy with 

1013
00:50:45,080 --> 00:50:46,240
her kids. 
Yeah. 

1014
00:50:46,240 --> 00:50:48,160
And. 
It's and also just and also just

1015
00:50:48,160 --> 00:50:51,920
and then being like sort of 
stalked by Barbara and also just

1016
00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:57,280
sort of seeing how she's seduced
by him and how that's hard to 

1017
00:50:57,280 --> 00:51:00,000
resist in the setups. 
But you're right, all of these 

1018
00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:03,800
things are like allowing us to 
kind of understand her reasons a

1019
00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:06,280
bit more. 
Whereas with Barbara, we don't, 

1020
00:51:06,280 --> 00:51:08,600
we never, as I said, we never, 
as much as I joke about it, we 

1021
00:51:08,600 --> 00:51:10,560
never get to meet Jennifer. 
We don't actually know what 

1022
00:51:10,560 --> 00:51:14,320
happened there. 
And likewise, we don't really 

1023
00:51:14,320 --> 00:51:18,400
get a sense of her outside of 
this one point, which is that 

1024
00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:21,920
she's in love with. 
She's an and she's. 

1025
00:51:21,920 --> 00:51:25,400
In love with her. 
Yeah, it's fucked up, actually. 

1026
00:51:25,640 --> 00:51:26,400
Quite camp. 
Though. 

1027
00:51:26,440 --> 00:51:28,640
Oh yeah. 
But actually, all of that is 

1028
00:51:28,760 --> 00:51:29,720
really, really camp. 
Yeah. 

1029
00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:33,960
But yeah, it's it's fucked up. 
I mean, I, I saw this review 

1030
00:51:33,960 --> 00:51:37,640
from the time in the Washington 
Post, they called this movie 

1031
00:51:38,120 --> 00:51:43,160
sexy, aspirational and post 
politically correct notes on a 

1032
00:51:43,160 --> 00:51:45,720
scandal could turn out to be the
fatal attraction of the 

1033
00:51:45,720 --> 00:51:47,880
naughties. 
And I think that really sums it 

1034
00:51:47,880 --> 00:51:49,720
up, doesn't it? 
Because what about this is 

1035
00:51:49,720 --> 00:51:53,240
aspirational? 
What is it's not sexy. 

1036
00:51:53,760 --> 00:51:57,240
The only that means that the 
sexy thing is pedophilic 

1037
00:51:57,240 --> 00:51:59,440
relationship post politically 
correct. 

1038
00:51:59,440 --> 00:52:00,160
Yeah. 
Yeah. 

1039
00:52:00,480 --> 00:52:03,520
What if women could also be 
sexual predators? 

1040
00:52:03,720 --> 00:52:06,560
It's like it's like missing it 
so much. 

1041
00:52:06,880 --> 00:52:09,240
And I was looking into the 
author. 

1042
00:52:09,520 --> 00:52:12,200
I think she's straight, so 
again, it's like another kind of

1043
00:52:12,600 --> 00:52:16,880
mark against old. 
Tag lesbian Yeah, and. 

1044
00:52:16,880 --> 00:52:19,920
Also, it's like invented because
this story, yes, there is a 

1045
00:52:20,120 --> 00:52:23,200
basis of this story in fact, 
which is about a school teacher 

1046
00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:27,200
who has a an affair with a 
younger student and he's like 

1047
00:52:27,200 --> 00:52:29,320
12. 
She has his baby, she goes to 

1048
00:52:29,320 --> 00:52:31,120
prison, she has his baby in 
prison. 

1049
00:52:31,120 --> 00:52:35,360
They end up together. 
There's no creepy lesbian in the

1050
00:52:35,360 --> 00:52:37,560
story. 
This is the part that's all been

1051
00:52:37,560 --> 00:52:42,000
invented for this book, for this
movie, and it kind of just shows

1052
00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:44,720
like the I'm like, your bias is 
showing. 

1053
00:52:45,400 --> 00:52:48,720
Because it's like, I mean, I 
don't really know why you would 

1054
00:52:48,720 --> 00:52:52,400
want to tell that story in the 
1st place without the creepy 

1055
00:52:52,400 --> 00:52:54,400
lesbian. 
I don't really know what, Yeah. 

1056
00:52:54,520 --> 00:52:58,440
Is that useful or insightful 
about exploring that as a story.

1057
00:52:58,440 --> 00:53:01,120
But you're right. 
Like, why add on that element? 

1058
00:53:01,320 --> 00:53:06,080
Like why? 
Because old lesbians are scary. 

1059
00:53:06,240 --> 00:53:08,960
And like, that's basically what 
this movie The kind of the point

1060
00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:11,320
of this movie. 
So and so then I was thinking 

1061
00:53:11,320 --> 00:53:14,120
about it and I think another 
thing that is quite calm about 

1062
00:53:14,120 --> 00:53:17,320
this movie is that it's it's 
portraying itself as so 

1063
00:53:17,320 --> 00:53:20,600
highbrow. 
You've got these two powerhouse 

1064
00:53:20,600 --> 00:53:23,160
actors who are nominated for 
Oscars in this movie. 

1065
00:53:23,360 --> 00:53:25,480
They're acting their fucking 
tits off. 

1066
00:53:25,800 --> 00:53:31,400
It is a dramatic score. 
Everything is really high drama,

1067
00:53:31,440 --> 00:53:35,720
Yeah, And it's just a fucking 
lurid, like, sexploitation 

1068
00:53:35,920 --> 00:53:39,240
thriller. 
It's like, it's no better than 

1069
00:53:39,240 --> 00:53:41,960
Basic Instinct. 
It's no better than like your 

1070
00:53:41,960 --> 00:53:45,800
sexual thrillers of the 
naughties, but it's like dressed

1071
00:53:45,800 --> 00:53:48,600
up in high art theatre drag it 
is. 

1072
00:53:48,600 --> 00:53:50,240
Drag. 
It's 100% drag. 

1073
00:53:50,240 --> 00:53:52,240
You're so right. 
Because it's like, yeah, two 

1074
00:53:52,240 --> 00:53:55,640
people at the top of their 
acting game, but yeah, it's 

1075
00:53:55,640 --> 00:53:56,840
trash. 
It's. 

1076
00:53:57,040 --> 00:53:58,680
Trash. 
Really, you're right. 

1077
00:53:58,680 --> 00:54:01,560
It's just lurid. 
And the fact is like, yeah, 

1078
00:54:01,560 --> 00:54:06,920
they've added like a really like
high end soundtrack to her and 

1079
00:54:06,920 --> 00:54:09,560
they've graded it to make it 
look grittier and they've got 

1080
00:54:09,560 --> 00:54:13,600
two really strong actors in it. 
But it's fucking this could have

1081
00:54:13,600 --> 00:54:17,240
easily been Sharon Stone with 
her purse out like 50. 

1082
00:54:17,240 --> 00:54:21,080
Shades of It's Like It thinks 
it's so much better, like Rita. 

1083
00:54:21,080 --> 00:54:24,000
Ora could be yes with who would 
play. 

1084
00:54:24,120 --> 00:54:26,640
Yeah, she's like with. 
Sharon Stone being Judi Dench. 

1085
00:54:26,840 --> 00:54:31,760
Oh, like so Rita Ora is like the
sexy young teacher and then 

1086
00:54:31,760 --> 00:54:34,840
Sharon Stone's like, oh Gina. 
Gershon. 

1087
00:54:35,520 --> 00:54:38,920
Hey, Shiva. 
Yeah, it's some girl. 

1088
00:54:39,000 --> 00:54:40,840
It's so. 
Girl, but yeah. 

1089
00:54:41,800 --> 00:54:44,920
Which makes it so camp because 
it is a fucking. 

1090
00:54:45,120 --> 00:54:46,520
You can say what you want about 
this. 

1091
00:54:46,520 --> 00:54:48,960
It is a trashy film. 
It's not. 

1092
00:54:49,200 --> 00:54:51,120
It's not a good film. 
No, but it's. 

1093
00:54:51,520 --> 00:54:52,640
But it's good. 
Yeah. 

1094
00:54:52,840 --> 00:54:56,440
It's like a beautifully made 
piece of shit, Yeah. 

1095
00:54:57,200 --> 00:55:01,360
And it's just nice to see that 
posh, educated people can also 

1096
00:55:01,360 --> 00:55:04,600
make bombs of crap. 
Yeah, yeah. 

1097
00:55:04,600 --> 00:55:07,880
And it's it's almost more 
affronting because they're like,

1098
00:55:07,880 --> 00:55:10,160
we're so much better than all of
that shit. 

1099
00:55:10,680 --> 00:55:13,720
Yeah, but. 
You're just like, you're just 

1100
00:55:13,720 --> 00:55:15,640
down here in the muck with all 
of us. 

1101
00:55:15,800 --> 00:55:19,720
Yeah, but. 
You I mean oh God, but like why 

1102
00:55:19,720 --> 00:55:22,040
do you think Kate Brown shit 
took on the role? 

1103
00:55:22,360 --> 00:55:25,400
Because I think in 2000. 6 Did 
you just think as an actor, it's

1104
00:55:25,400 --> 00:55:28,840
like, I'm really doing something
challenging here? 

1105
00:55:28,840 --> 00:55:32,160
Yeah. 
And it's like. 2006 as as this 

1106
00:55:32,160 --> 00:55:34,240
reviewer said, they're like, 
this is oh, we're doing 

1107
00:55:34,240 --> 00:55:36,440
something edgy and most 
politically correct. 

1108
00:55:36,600 --> 00:55:39,640
What if a woman was in that 
situation? 

1109
00:55:39,640 --> 00:55:41,560
We haven't explored that story 
before. 

1110
00:55:42,400 --> 00:55:43,840
Oh, we've seen it so many other 
times. 

1111
00:55:43,840 --> 00:55:46,840
What would it be like? 
Is it OK now? 

1112
00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:49,320
And it's like, obviously the 
answer is fucking no. 

1113
00:55:49,440 --> 00:55:52,560
But this movie is like but but 
what if it was? 

1114
00:55:53,480 --> 00:55:54,560
Could it be? 
Yeah. 

1115
00:55:54,560 --> 00:55:58,080
And like, maybe, maybe we've all
got that inside of us to be 

1116
00:55:58,640 --> 00:56:03,120
seduced by a 15 year old, 10 
year old looking Irish. 

1117
00:56:03,200 --> 00:56:07,600
Yeah, they failed themselves in 
terms of making like a proper 

1118
00:56:07,600 --> 00:56:08,560
drama. 
Yeah. 

1119
00:56:08,760 --> 00:56:12,120
Yeah, yeah. 
Like there is a proper drama to 

1120
00:56:12,120 --> 00:56:18,040
be made about like any one of 
these subjects, but because 

1121
00:56:18,040 --> 00:56:22,600
they're like mashing together 
like these two trashy tropes and

1122
00:56:22,600 --> 00:56:25,320
then trying to make one movie 
out of the two of two things, 

1123
00:56:25,320 --> 00:56:27,360
you're like, what are you doing 
here? 

1124
00:56:27,360 --> 00:56:29,480
Because. 
Are we meant to, like, not want 

1125
00:56:29,480 --> 00:56:32,120
her to get found out? 
Because that's kind of the vibe.

1126
00:56:32,120 --> 00:56:34,680
Yeah. 
It's kind of like, oh, and Evil 

1127
00:56:34,680 --> 00:56:38,000
Barbs is on the prowl again with
more blackmailing. 

1128
00:56:38,000 --> 00:56:40,760
And it's like, so are we. 
Are we hoping that she gets away

1129
00:56:40,760 --> 00:56:42,720
with it and she can fuck him in 
the shed? 

1130
00:56:43,480 --> 00:56:45,880
Because it is a bit like that. 
When the phone goes, you sort of

1131
00:56:45,880 --> 00:56:48,440
look at her and it's your. 
The way the film is set up is 

1132
00:56:48,440 --> 00:56:51,120
like, oh God, don't read the 
phone. 

1133
00:56:51,120 --> 00:56:52,640
And it's like, no, read the 
phone. 

1134
00:56:52,640 --> 00:56:59,480
She's a paedophile. 
Get her Bob, get her it. 

1135
00:56:59,480 --> 00:57:04,320
Does do a good job of capturing 
that feeling of anxiety of like 

1136
00:57:04,640 --> 00:57:06,520
being about to get caught out, 
like you've ever had one of 

1137
00:57:06,520 --> 00:57:10,120
those dreams where like, I don't
know, you've got to get rid of a

1138
00:57:10,120 --> 00:57:14,000
body. 
No, you know what I mean? 

1139
00:57:14,000 --> 00:57:16,840
Like that? 
Anxiety feeling of like I am 

1140
00:57:17,080 --> 00:57:19,640
found out and what am I going to
do? 

1141
00:57:20,160 --> 00:57:25,080
And like, I think it is 
effective at communicating that 

1142
00:57:25,160 --> 00:57:27,720
feeling of of anxiety and 
stress. 

1143
00:57:28,000 --> 00:57:29,680
It's just weird that you're put 
in. 

1144
00:57:29,920 --> 00:57:33,200
It's trying to put you in the 
place of Sheba of Kate 

1145
00:57:33,200 --> 00:57:35,440
Blanchett. 
It's like I don't want to be 

1146
00:57:35,680 --> 00:57:37,560
connecting with this character, 
no. 

1147
00:57:38,040 --> 00:57:41,840
You're. 
Not young, Yeah. 

1148
00:57:41,840 --> 00:57:44,040
And it's also, it's kind of 
exploitation, isn't it? 

1149
00:57:44,040 --> 00:57:46,600
It's just like, it's another 
example of it, but it's just 

1150
00:57:46,600 --> 00:57:49,720
done in this like high art kind 
of way and it's. 

1151
00:57:49,720 --> 00:57:52,200
A shame because it's like Judi 
Dench does bring so much weight 

1152
00:57:52,200 --> 00:57:54,800
to the role. 
And like, as I said, she is like

1153
00:57:54,800 --> 00:57:59,600
super smart and super like witty
and just, yeah, it's just a 

1154
00:57:59,600 --> 00:58:04,000
shame that she's just deemed, 
you know, just this grotesque 

1155
00:58:04,480 --> 00:58:07,240
being, you know, like it would 
have been so much more 

1156
00:58:07,240 --> 00:58:10,600
interesting if she did stroke 
Kate and made her come. 

1157
00:58:10,640 --> 00:58:12,800
And then Kate didn't like that 
afterwards. 

1158
00:58:12,800 --> 00:58:15,760
She'd like, she literally. 
And that was just, it just 

1159
00:58:15,760 --> 00:58:20,400
showed that actually Barbs as a 
human being actually does have 

1160
00:58:20,400 --> 00:58:23,480
these powers of, like, seduction
and so and like, that would have

1161
00:58:23,480 --> 00:58:25,480
made, again, more interesting 
dynamic. 

1162
00:58:25,680 --> 00:58:27,600
But no, she's just repulsive. 
Yeah. 

1163
00:58:27,680 --> 00:58:30,200
Creepy, repulsive, posh birds. 
Yeah. 

1164
00:58:30,200 --> 00:58:33,360
Or they'd had like some kind of 
something had happened when they

1165
00:58:33,360 --> 00:58:36,120
moved in together. 
Or like, you know what, just 

1166
00:58:36,120 --> 00:58:39,120
lean into the trash and like, 
somebody should be murdered. 

1167
00:58:39,240 --> 00:58:44,120
Someone should end up dead and 
then then we're in like full 90s

1168
00:58:44,160 --> 00:58:48,240
stupid thriller movie and like, 
let me just see a murder, you 

1169
00:58:48,240 --> 00:58:50,400
know? 
Yeah, or if we, as I said, if we

1170
00:58:50,400 --> 00:58:53,440
were recasting this with Gina 
Cushion and Naomi, it would be 

1171
00:58:53,440 --> 00:58:55,800
like, as I said earlier, it 
would be like, right, fuck me 

1172
00:58:55,800 --> 00:58:56,800
now. 
Yeah, that's why I'm going to 

1173
00:58:56,800 --> 00:58:59,880
tell everyone. 
That's the kind of blackmail I 

1174
00:58:59,880 --> 00:59:02,320
live for. 
Why do you think I'm on this 

1175
00:59:02,320 --> 00:59:06,240
podcast? 
Yeah. 

1176
00:59:06,240 --> 00:59:08,440
And then I was thinking about 
the contrast with this movie and

1177
00:59:08,440 --> 00:59:11,600
May December, which is like 
another movie talking about the 

1178
00:59:11,600 --> 00:59:19,760
exact same inspirational story 
inspiration that has with the 

1179
00:59:19,760 --> 00:59:22,680
story with is inspired by the 
same story. 

1180
00:59:22,840 --> 00:59:24,840
Thank. 
You just needed to clarify that 

1181
00:59:25,200 --> 00:59:28,800
although the makers of notes for
the scandal are basically saying

1182
00:59:28,960 --> 00:59:32,440
hey, sick of your family life, 
sick of being with an older man,

1183
00:59:32,600 --> 00:59:35,400
just go to school and find a 15 
year old. 

1184
00:59:35,920 --> 00:59:38,880
Yeah, that movie is definitely 
the point of that movie, and I 

1185
00:59:38,880 --> 00:59:41,760
don't think it is effective. 
But the point of that movie is 

1186
00:59:41,760 --> 00:59:44,840
to make you, the viewer, be 
like, you just watched a movie 

1187
00:59:45,440 --> 00:59:48,480
about paedophilia, You are 
trash, right? 

1188
00:59:48,520 --> 00:59:51,560
That's what the movie is saying.
And it's like the media is trash

1189
00:59:51,640 --> 00:59:54,360
for making movies about this. 
You are trash for wanting to 

1190
00:59:54,360 --> 00:59:58,600
watch a movie about this topic. 
We're all trash, right? 

1191
00:59:58,600 --> 01:00:00,400
Yeah, and. 
I don't think it's actually that

1192
01:00:00,400 --> 01:00:03,160
effective at doing it. 
I wish it'd kind of leaned into 

1193
01:00:03,160 --> 01:00:05,160
it more. 
It's Todd Haynes who did. 

1194
01:00:06,200 --> 01:00:07,880
Velvet Goldmine and a bunch of 
other movies. 

1195
01:00:08,280 --> 01:00:11,800
But it at least it is like, 
smart enough to know what it's 

1196
01:00:11,800 --> 01:00:13,600
doing. 
And like, Natalie Portman's 

1197
01:00:13,600 --> 01:00:16,560
playing an actress studying to 
play Camp Blanchett in a new 

1198
01:00:16,560 --> 01:00:18,240
movie. 
And so she's like, living with 

1199
01:00:18,240 --> 01:00:19,200
her. 
And they're having this kind of 

1200
01:00:19,200 --> 01:00:20,720
psychosexual thing. 
And. 

1201
01:00:21,200 --> 01:00:24,720
But yeah, it's got, it's kind of
got the right point of view. 

1202
01:00:24,960 --> 01:00:26,440
Where is that? 
This movie does not. 

1203
01:00:26,800 --> 01:00:28,600
It does not have the right point
of view. 

1204
01:00:29,360 --> 01:00:31,560
Yeah. 
But God, it's fun to watch. 

1205
01:00:31,560 --> 01:00:37,360
It's got some fucking zingers. 
It's a nice curveball away from 

1206
01:00:37,360 --> 01:00:40,640
your standard, you know? 
Popcorn movies, Yeah. 

1207
01:00:40,640 --> 01:00:43,880
That we love being camp. 
It's like, this is like this is 

1208
01:00:43,880 --> 01:00:47,280
like someone giving you a nice 
bottle of wine and you don't 

1209
01:00:47,280 --> 01:00:50,040
know anything about wine And 
it's like you like it, but 

1210
01:00:50,040 --> 01:00:52,360
you're not like they're fucking 
going off being like this is 

1211
01:00:52,360 --> 01:00:54,720
next grade thing. 
And you're like, oh, it's tasty.

1212
01:00:54,720 --> 01:00:57,480
I could drink it, but you're not
you're not rolling around going 

1213
01:00:57,520 --> 01:00:58,880
I'm only going to drink this 
there. 

1214
01:00:58,880 --> 01:01:01,120
But it's you know, it's 
something different, isn't it? 

1215
01:01:01,280 --> 01:01:02,720
Or like. 
It's yeah, you take it, you're 

1216
01:01:02,720 --> 01:01:04,800
like, I think this will be 
better as a sangria and you just

1217
01:01:04,800 --> 01:01:09,000
mix in and some 7UP. 
Yeah, you're like, yeah, OK Hun,

1218
01:01:09,000 --> 01:01:11,400
I'm not going to drink it 
through an air pouring thing, 

1219
01:01:11,760 --> 01:01:14,280
but yeah, I mean, do you know 
what? 

1220
01:01:14,600 --> 01:01:17,120
Fair play to them for throwing 
themselves into these roles, 

1221
01:01:17,120 --> 01:01:20,200
because they do There's. 
Nothing I love more than 

1222
01:01:20,200 --> 01:01:24,280
watching two women over act 
really well about something 

1223
01:01:24,480 --> 01:01:27,560
batshit bananas. 
Like what more could you want? 

1224
01:01:29,400 --> 01:01:32,440
And also as I don't feel like 
even them step their toes into 

1225
01:01:32,440 --> 01:01:36,000
camp that often today, maybe 
more Cate Blanchett does, but 

1226
01:01:36,000 --> 01:01:37,800
Judy's. 
Yeah, yeah. 

1227
01:01:38,160 --> 01:01:42,880
Because we're fully in like, 
whatever happened to Baby Jane 

1228
01:01:42,880 --> 01:01:44,280
territory with this movie, 
aren't we? 

1229
01:01:44,480 --> 01:01:49,200
We're in like, all about Eve. 
It's like a legacy of movies 

1230
01:01:49,440 --> 01:01:53,360
about like 2 women going head to
head in this really camp 

1231
01:01:53,360 --> 01:01:55,520
fashion. 
And it's like, it's never not 

1232
01:01:55,520 --> 01:01:58,040
going to be delightful, but. 
Also, the only thing I will give

1233
01:01:58,040 --> 01:02:00,920
them respect for, they are so 
good at acting, they have 

1234
01:02:00,920 --> 01:02:03,560
tricked most of the people into 
thinking this is a really good 

1235
01:02:03,560 --> 01:02:04,200
film. 
Yeah. 

1236
01:02:04,560 --> 01:02:06,320
They. 
Are that believable in whatever 

1237
01:02:06,320 --> 01:02:07,920
they're doing? 
That is like people are like, 

1238
01:02:07,920 --> 01:02:09,240
oh, this is a great movie. 
Yeah. 

1239
01:02:09,600 --> 01:02:12,760
The gay men know, though, yes. 
It's just like, as we said, all 

1240
01:02:12,760 --> 01:02:15,440
of the great critical acclaim 
and rotten tomato schools. 

1241
01:02:15,440 --> 01:02:18,640
This is honey Honey. 
You're not young. 

1242
01:02:20,920 --> 01:02:23,160
OK, Yeah, it's time. 
It's. 

1243
01:02:23,160 --> 01:02:25,760
Time cute. 
Dramatic music, Did we? 

1244
01:02:25,840 --> 01:02:28,480
Did we survive talking about? 
Did we manage to get through 

1245
01:02:28,480 --> 01:02:30,640
this paedophilia chat with 
unscathed? 

1246
01:02:30,640 --> 01:02:32,400
I don't know. 
I don't know. 

1247
01:02:32,400 --> 01:02:34,560
I don't know what it's going to 
be like to listen to it. 

1248
01:02:35,320 --> 01:02:38,880
Let's just once more for the 
record, say there's nothing camp

1249
01:02:38,880 --> 01:02:42,520
about paedophilia and it's 
wrong. 

1250
01:02:43,240 --> 01:02:48,080
It feels reductive. 
OK, let's rate this movie. 

1251
01:02:48,080 --> 01:02:51,840
We need to give it a score on 
our campo meter. 10 up to 10 

1252
01:02:51,840 --> 01:02:55,080
Merrells for the quality of the 
movie and up to 10 Elizas for 

1253
01:02:55,080 --> 01:02:58,400
the camp factor. 
This is a tough one. 

1254
01:02:58,400 --> 01:03:03,240
Yeah, I can't. 
Because it is a well made, well 

1255
01:03:03,240 --> 01:03:10,800
acted, incredibly well written 
movie that has a huge blind spot

1256
01:03:10,960 --> 01:03:13,240
and is like kind of problematic 
as fuck. 

1257
01:03:13,600 --> 01:03:18,360
But like, I think as a melodrama
or drama, it's like actually 

1258
01:03:18,360 --> 01:03:22,000
just really solid. 
The acting is incredible. 

1259
01:03:22,320 --> 01:03:25,000
It's like such, it's such a 
tight movie too. 

1260
01:03:25,000 --> 01:03:27,560
Like it's, it doesn't feel like 
it's got anything wasted in it. 

1261
01:03:27,840 --> 01:03:33,720
It's it's punchy. 
It gets its point in really fast

1262
01:03:33,720 --> 01:03:37,040
effectively. 
I think the fact that I don't 

1263
01:03:37,040 --> 01:03:41,800
feel passionately that it's one 
or the other means that I'm 

1264
01:03:41,800 --> 01:03:45,600
giving it a 5, OK? 
I'm going to give it, I'm 10. 

1265
01:03:46,440 --> 01:03:50,120
I'm going to score it higher. 
I'm going to give it like a 7 

1266
01:03:50,120 --> 01:03:54,280
1/2 year olds, I think because I
think it's the kind of movie I 

1267
01:03:54,280 --> 01:03:57,280
really want to watch. 
And I thought it was like a 

1268
01:03:57,280 --> 01:03:59,640
beautiful example of the kind of
movie I want to watch. 

1269
01:03:59,800 --> 01:04:02,960
It just happens to like, think 
it's something other than what 

1270
01:04:02,960 --> 01:04:05,080
it is, is that. 
Not your camp rating, yeah. 

1271
01:04:05,080 --> 01:04:06,280
Maybe. 
I don't know. 

1272
01:04:06,280 --> 01:04:07,880
It's tricky. 
Yeah, it's tricky. 

1273
01:04:08,120 --> 01:04:13,120
OK, Eliza's. 
Yeah, it's really camp. 

1274
01:04:13,160 --> 01:04:17,440
It's really camp. 
I mean, it could have been 

1275
01:04:17,440 --> 01:04:20,280
Camper, Yeah. 
But it is there could have been 

1276
01:04:20,280 --> 01:04:21,560
a sex scene, there could have 
been a murder. 

1277
01:04:21,560 --> 01:04:23,880
I think the problem. 
Is what we've got is like we 

1278
01:04:24,280 --> 01:04:27,960
normally is such a clear 
Merrills and clear lies, but 

1279
01:04:27,960 --> 01:04:31,160
it's such a merge because it's 
such like such confusing film, 

1280
01:04:31,160 --> 01:04:34,640
whether it's good or not. 
And something about the the good

1281
01:04:34,640 --> 01:04:39,160
performances in the schlocky 
movie is camp. 

1282
01:04:39,600 --> 01:04:42,360
So you're like, oh, part of what
makes this camp is that it's 

1283
01:04:42,360 --> 01:04:43,320
good. 
Yeah. 

1284
01:04:43,560 --> 01:04:46,480
Yeah, it's it's really it's a 
real fuck with your head 

1285
01:04:46,480 --> 01:04:48,760
situation. 
Yeah, but it is camp. 

1286
01:04:48,840 --> 01:04:50,000
It is definitely camp. 
Yeah, I'll. 

1287
01:04:50,000 --> 01:04:52,000
Give it 82 and I'd love a 
sequel. 

1288
01:04:53,760 --> 01:04:55,160
Where's Barbara now? 
Oh my. 

1289
01:04:55,160 --> 01:04:56,920
God, yeah. 
Well, you know she will, 

1290
01:04:56,920 --> 01:04:58,080
Barbara. 
Please. 

1291
01:04:58,080 --> 01:05:01,080
Terrorizing poor, poor things. 
Yeah. 

1292
01:05:01,800 --> 01:05:05,000
I really enjoyed that episode. 
Oh, we thought we could stroke 

1293
01:05:05,000 --> 01:05:07,000
it out. 
Like close your eyes. 

1294
01:05:07,800 --> 01:05:09,280
Just give me your. 
Give me your hand. 

1295
01:05:09,280 --> 01:05:11,960
There you go. 
That's nice, isn't it? 

1296
01:05:12,480 --> 01:05:13,920
That's nice. 
Good girl. 

1297
01:05:14,080 --> 01:05:18,800
Good girl. 
Get. 

1298
01:05:18,840 --> 01:05:24,000
Away from her, you bitch. 
Classic he. 

1299
01:05:24,040 --> 01:05:27,240
Was in the Amazon with my mom 
when she was researching spiders

1300
01:05:27,280 --> 01:05:34,760
right before she died. 
No, Hannah, you thought you 

1301
01:05:34,760 --> 01:05:36,360
become a prostitute. 
You're a dog at it. 

1302
01:05:36,760 --> 01:05:40,160
I used to love doggy chow. 
I used. 

1303
01:05:40,280 --> 01:05:43,680
To love doggy chow too Well. 
Back to some more trash in the 

1304
01:05:43,680 --> 01:05:45,960
next episode I guess. 
Is it?