1 00:00:17,080 --> 00:00:18,160 prostitute or a dog. Edit. 2 00:00:18,600 --> 00:00:22,440 I used to love doggy chow. I used. 3 00:00:22,680 --> 00:00:25,320 To love doggy chow. Too sorry I was late, I was busy 4 00:00:25,320 --> 00:00:27,680 describing fall fashions to the blind. 5 00:00:28,160 --> 00:00:33,280 I'm Crystal. She felt his manhood rising to a 6 00:00:33,280 --> 00:00:37,480 pulsating frenzy. I'm baby lame. 7 00:00:39,280 --> 00:00:42,360 Also like last time I had this I got more than a patch. 8 00:00:44,440 --> 00:00:47,720 We'll get into that, yeah. Welcome to Camp Classic A. 9 00:00:47,720 --> 00:00:50,480 Thoughtful podcast about stupid movies. 10 00:00:50,720 --> 00:00:55,040 Every two weeks we get together and discuss a gay old movie and 11 00:00:55,520 --> 00:00:59,360 try and figure out if it deserves a merit patch. 12 00:00:59,440 --> 00:01:02,640 And why do we do it? Still don't know? 13 00:01:03,760 --> 00:01:05,519 Someone has to. Someone has to, yeah. 14 00:01:05,519 --> 00:01:07,960 Thank God someone is. Doing what I what I will say is 15 00:01:07,960 --> 00:01:10,960 this, you know, it might it might surprise you, Crystal, but 16 00:01:11,440 --> 00:01:14,280 there have actually been a few other Cam classic podcasts 17 00:01:14,600 --> 00:01:19,840 various like various. Did you have a? 18 00:01:19,840 --> 00:01:23,480 Brain tumor for breakfast. In in what's, what's the word 19 00:01:23,480 --> 00:01:26,400 intonations? Yeah, iterations, iterations. 20 00:01:26,400 --> 00:01:27,320 Thank you. Yeah, great. 21 00:01:27,320 --> 00:01:29,280 I'm so articulate again. Really been working the most 22 00:01:29,280 --> 00:01:31,560 smartest most smartest? But yeah, there's been quite a 23 00:01:31,560 --> 00:01:32,920 few. They don't last that long. 24 00:01:32,920 --> 00:01:35,720 I think we've got more episodes than most now, so you know. 25 00:01:35,760 --> 00:01:37,360 What are you saying? There have been actual shows 26 00:01:37,360 --> 00:01:40,600 called Camp Classics or just like right? 27 00:01:40,720 --> 00:01:43,440 Yeah, like, but basically, yeah. Totally. 28 00:01:43,440 --> 00:01:47,840 Like sometimes when I'm trying to research a movie I will like 29 00:01:47,840 --> 00:01:51,400 try and listen to a podcast and there's just archives of like 30 00:01:51,640 --> 00:01:54,120 shows that 2 gay people started and. 31 00:01:54,480 --> 00:01:56,320 They give up. They give up and. 32 00:01:56,320 --> 00:01:57,560 Not us. They're not giving up. 33 00:01:59,320 --> 00:02:01,360 Clinging on to that, yeah, but that. 34 00:02:01,400 --> 00:02:02,760 That's when we're going to carry on. 35 00:02:02,840 --> 00:02:07,720 No one can stop us. Help help me help me. 36 00:02:09,199 --> 00:02:12,160 Even TikTok because we've just, we've just launched our TikTok 37 00:02:12,160 --> 00:02:15,600 page and you told me there are haters already. 38 00:02:16,400 --> 00:02:20,120 We've got like 50 followers and a couple of them are haters. 39 00:02:20,120 --> 00:02:21,360 Brilliant. Bring it on. 40 00:02:21,440 --> 00:02:24,320 Yeah, they they said they weren't happy with our Black 41 00:02:24,320 --> 00:02:26,280 Swan coverage. They said you were so close to 42 00:02:26,280 --> 00:02:28,360 getting it. Fuck you. 43 00:02:28,960 --> 00:02:32,560 I think I should start making like more rage baity little 44 00:02:32,560 --> 00:02:34,200 clips. Yeah, I just think we should go 45 00:02:34,200 --> 00:02:37,680 full on rage bait with it now. Yeah, it's the era. 46 00:02:37,680 --> 00:02:40,600 It's the era of rage bait. Hey, you know what I'm enraged 47 00:02:40,600 --> 00:02:42,040 about? Go on, tell me. 48 00:02:42,720 --> 00:02:44,400 The Buffy reboot being cancelled. 49 00:02:44,560 --> 00:02:46,400 I know you don't care, but literally. 50 00:02:46,400 --> 00:02:48,000 Didn't I didn't even know it came. 51 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:50,720 I'm not even saying this to be a little maybe I'm saying this to 52 00:02:50,720 --> 00:02:52,440 be rage. Basically, I didn't even realize 53 00:02:52,440 --> 00:02:56,760 it was back until poor Sarah Michelle Gellar was there going 54 00:02:58,000 --> 00:02:59,480 I'm. Fucking livid. 55 00:02:59,800 --> 00:03:01,880 Did you even watch it? Did anyone watch it? 56 00:03:01,960 --> 00:03:05,120 Hasn't come out. They filmed a pilot and and they 57 00:03:05,200 --> 00:03:07,520 filmed the pilot and Hulu cancelled it. 58 00:03:07,520 --> 00:03:10,120 Like didn't take it to series. Oh. 59 00:03:10,360 --> 00:03:12,080 Oh, I'm sorry. That must. 60 00:03:13,880 --> 00:03:15,800 Have been devastating for you. It actually was it. 61 00:03:15,800 --> 00:03:19,400 Can't have been very good then. Listen It was directed and 62 00:03:19,400 --> 00:03:21,520 produced by Chloe Zhao, who has an Oscar. 63 00:03:21,720 --> 00:03:24,520 For what should know these things but. 64 00:03:24,520 --> 00:03:27,320 Well she was. She has an Oscar for Oh fuck 65 00:03:27,360 --> 00:03:31,880 what is it? She directed Hamnet and a Marvel 66 00:03:31,880 --> 00:03:33,760 movie and she doesn't. She doesn't. 67 00:03:33,760 --> 00:03:35,760 Slightly like and then the Buffy reboot. 68 00:03:35,840 --> 00:03:38,960 Yeah, that's a slightly wild range. 69 00:03:38,960 --> 00:03:40,800 Isn't it? But they say that it was an an 70 00:03:40,800 --> 00:03:44,080 executive Hulu who just kept saying to Sarah Michelle go 71 00:03:44,080 --> 00:03:45,800 like, I never watched this show, I never got it. 72 00:03:46,280 --> 00:03:47,480 And he's the one who didn't want it. 73 00:03:47,680 --> 00:03:49,040 OK. They're just afraid of strong 74 00:03:49,040 --> 00:03:54,000 women. Blah blah blah girl power 75 00:03:54,320 --> 00:03:55,760 feminism. Do you know what I mean? 76 00:03:55,800 --> 00:03:57,840 Well, things that I've been excited about this week. 77 00:03:57,960 --> 00:04:00,000 Denise Richards facelift. Oh, I haven't seen. 78 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:02,640 Oh, she looks sensational. Oh, she looks absolutely 79 00:04:02,640 --> 00:04:04,040 sensational. Because she has been a bit, 80 00:04:04,560 --> 00:04:06,800 she's been a bit Joan Crawford in the later years. 81 00:04:06,800 --> 00:04:11,800 Recently I saw a clip of her and Charlie Sheen reunited for his 82 00:04:11,800 --> 00:04:14,080 documentary, which I think is a bit old anyway. 83 00:04:14,080 --> 00:04:16,720 But I went down the loophole of seeing her and it was she's a 84 00:04:16,720 --> 00:04:18,839 bit, she was a bit mummy dearest, but no, she's snatched 85 00:04:18,839 --> 00:04:21,079 and back. So welcome back Denise Richards. 86 00:04:21,320 --> 00:04:23,640 You've got value again now that your face is tight, yes. 87 00:04:25,400 --> 00:04:26,880 Feminism. Do you know what I mean? 88 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:29,560 We, we have some other things that we're very excited about. 89 00:04:29,680 --> 00:04:33,160 Well, actually when this episode comes out, we will have, we will 90 00:04:33,160 --> 00:04:37,360 have been BFI alumni by the time you're listening to this. 91 00:04:37,360 --> 00:04:38,640 We have done our BFI. Events. 92 00:04:38,640 --> 00:04:42,440 Do we pretend it went really well or do we sort of fester in 93 00:04:42,440 --> 00:04:44,800 self pity because we flopped at the first hurdle? 94 00:04:44,800 --> 00:04:47,280 What what? What side do you want to go down 95 00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:49,480 well? You already said that it's all 96 00:04:49,480 --> 00:04:53,000 about delusions, so you were saying earlier, so let's just 97 00:04:53,000 --> 00:04:54,520 keep that going. Yay. 98 00:04:54,520 --> 00:04:56,520 Oh my God, we had such a great time. 99 00:04:56,520 --> 00:04:59,000 The guests were amazing, The audience was fantastic. 100 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:01,200 So good that we're going to be. It's an episode, isn't? 101 00:05:01,200 --> 00:05:04,080 It they were actually queuing around the block, weren't they? 102 00:05:04,080 --> 00:05:06,040 Like they were just waiting for returns because we obviously 103 00:05:06,040 --> 00:05:08,560 sold out like within minutes. Yeah, I mean, it's a pretty big 104 00:05:08,560 --> 00:05:11,080 deal, Pretty big deal. Yeah, it was great and looking 105 00:05:11,080 --> 00:05:13,240 forward to more. And actually if you check the 106 00:05:13,240 --> 00:05:16,320 website for the tour dates, the UK tour is starting. 107 00:05:16,760 --> 00:05:19,720 Yeah, the BFI have announced us as permanent residents, I think. 108 00:05:19,920 --> 00:05:25,080 Is that is that enough to lose? Somebody lied to her several 109 00:05:25,080 --> 00:05:27,120 times. We went to the BFI flared 110 00:05:27,120 --> 00:05:28,760 though, didn't we? We went to the opening night. 111 00:05:28,760 --> 00:05:31,280 We saw. We saw hunky Jesus. 112 00:05:31,280 --> 00:05:32,640 Very fun. I loved it. 113 00:05:32,640 --> 00:05:33,960 It was so great. It was. 114 00:05:33,960 --> 00:05:36,760 I really want to RIP that off as something to do in general. 115 00:05:36,760 --> 00:05:38,960 Yeah, It's basically a hot Jesus competition. 116 00:05:38,960 --> 00:05:42,080 Yeah, it was great. And then I went to see Lady 117 00:05:42,080 --> 00:05:45,920 Champagne the next night, which was like a drag, like Airplane 118 00:05:45,920 --> 00:05:48,200 or Naked Gun. It was really funny, like loads 119 00:05:48,200 --> 00:05:51,200 of stupid cum jokes. Buzzy, Buzzy Films. 120 00:05:51,240 --> 00:05:53,800 Films. Other thing we're excited about, 121 00:05:54,920 --> 00:05:56,760 You know who I got on the podcast this week? 122 00:05:57,640 --> 00:05:58,680 Yeah, right. OK. 123 00:05:58,680 --> 00:06:05,520 It's bit a bit weird, isn't it? That's my Lorraine noise. 124 00:06:05,720 --> 00:06:07,080 The vacuum cleaner. Yeah. 125 00:06:07,400 --> 00:06:14,040 Yeah, you somehow managed to get pop superstar Lorraine on this 126 00:06:14,040 --> 00:06:16,120 episode. Yeah, OK, sure. 127 00:06:16,320 --> 00:06:18,560 Why? Well, she is just such a big fan 128 00:06:18,560 --> 00:06:22,960 of Troop Beverly Hills. She messaged and said I need to 129 00:06:22,960 --> 00:06:25,400 come talk about Shelley Long. I love this though because you 130 00:06:25,400 --> 00:06:27,920 did message me and you're like, I think I can get an interview 131 00:06:27,920 --> 00:06:30,560 with Lorraine. How can we shoehorn this in on 132 00:06:30,560 --> 00:06:33,880 the podcast? And I just said, who cares? 133 00:06:34,120 --> 00:06:36,560 Yeah, just do. It just do it, who cares? 134 00:06:36,560 --> 00:06:38,400 We're trying to make this podcast more of a thing. 135 00:06:38,640 --> 00:06:41,240 Throw more at the wall, more shit at the wolves. 136 00:06:41,360 --> 00:06:44,160 Hey, who knows, maybe this film thing isn't what this podcast 137 00:06:44,160 --> 00:06:46,080 is. I think just keep on trying. 138 00:06:46,160 --> 00:06:48,360 What was she like? She was fantastic. 139 00:06:48,360 --> 00:06:50,280 Did she have the long nails? She had the long nails. 140 00:06:50,440 --> 00:06:53,600 She turned up head to toe. Black leather, which is what you 141 00:06:53,600 --> 00:06:54,440 expect. Yeah. 142 00:06:54,600 --> 00:06:57,560 Like full like lesbian goth vibes and then. 143 00:06:57,560 --> 00:07:00,120 Was the hair slightly wet and like, kind of, you know, like. 144 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:01,880 Yeah, yeah, textured. But what? 145 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:04,840 But not only did she look like that, she had an entourage of 146 00:07:04,840 --> 00:07:07,000 three people who were also all in black leather. 147 00:07:07,280 --> 00:07:09,440 Yes. Were you in black leather too? 148 00:07:09,560 --> 00:07:10,520 I wasn't. I wasn't. 149 00:07:10,520 --> 00:07:11,960 I didn't get the memo. No one told me. 150 00:07:12,120 --> 00:07:14,400 I. Saw a video of you like sweatily 151 00:07:14,680 --> 00:07:19,200 riding a bike with a ring line. Yeah, I did it at the Universal 152 00:07:19,200 --> 00:07:22,760 like offices and you think they would have like a creator studio 153 00:07:22,760 --> 00:07:25,080 there or something like some kind of setup, but no, they're 154 00:07:25,080 --> 00:07:29,160 like bring your own ring light. So I was on a Lime bike with a 155 00:07:29,160 --> 00:07:30,760 ring light wrapped around my neck. 156 00:07:30,920 --> 00:07:35,000 At Showbiz. But so she's a big fan of the 157 00:07:35,000 --> 00:07:37,800 podcast then, I take it? Yeah, she's huge fan. 158 00:07:37,800 --> 00:07:39,600 A huge fan. She knew exactly what it was all 159 00:07:39,600 --> 00:07:41,520 about. She knew why she was there. 160 00:07:41,720 --> 00:07:44,880 She was thrilled to. Be What do you talk to her 161 00:07:44,880 --> 00:07:46,320 about? I mean, we'll listen to it in a 162 00:07:46,320 --> 00:07:47,640 bit, but what? Yeah, it's going to be at the 163 00:07:47,640 --> 00:07:49,200 end of the episode. It's just kind of getting her 164 00:07:49,200 --> 00:07:53,440 sense on camp and basically kind of teaching her what camp means. 165 00:07:56,200 --> 00:07:57,440 But whatever. It was really fun. 166 00:07:58,160 --> 00:08:01,920 She The funny thing that she did ask me was like, am I camp? 167 00:08:02,560 --> 00:08:04,800 I didn't know you. Camp No, she was like, am I camp 168 00:08:05,000 --> 00:08:07,040 about herself? OK. 169 00:08:07,040 --> 00:08:10,280 And I'm like, I don't know how to answer this because it's kind 170 00:08:10,280 --> 00:08:11,120 of not. It's a. 171 00:08:11,320 --> 00:08:12,840 Yeah, like is that a trick question? 172 00:08:12,880 --> 00:08:14,960 Yeah, it's kind of is. She like going am I camp? 173 00:08:14,960 --> 00:08:16,120 Then Yeah. Am I? 174 00:08:16,120 --> 00:08:19,120 Because it's I should have just leaned in and said yes, but I 175 00:08:19,120 --> 00:08:21,040 was like kind of afraid of insulting. 176 00:08:21,200 --> 00:08:22,640 Her. Well, it is hard to know how to 177 00:08:22,640 --> 00:08:24,720 play it with Lorraine. Yeah, because she's. 178 00:08:24,720 --> 00:08:26,680 I don't think she is that camp. Like I think she's got a 179 00:08:26,680 --> 00:08:30,560 sincerity and which is like, you know, people resonate with she 180 00:08:30,560 --> 00:08:33,840 writes like soulful bangers, right? 181 00:08:33,840 --> 00:08:37,720 Like it's like emotional. I like that we've got the rain 182 00:08:37,720 --> 00:08:38,799 on this I. Know, I know. 183 00:08:38,799 --> 00:08:41,600 I know, I know. Who else? 184 00:08:41,640 --> 00:08:43,480 Who else? What is camp is having an 185 00:08:43,480 --> 00:08:45,960 entourage of three people dressed exactly the same and one 186 00:08:45,960 --> 00:08:48,760 of them was constantly fixing her hair. 187 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:51,200 Like with your shitty ring light. 188 00:08:51,280 --> 00:08:53,240 So no one cared about the setup, but they were like. 189 00:08:53,320 --> 00:08:55,840 But there was always a man just like doing, you know, in the 190 00:08:55,840 --> 00:08:58,400 comeback when he's like constantly in shot fixing her 191 00:08:58,400 --> 00:09:00,720 hair. It was that it was fantastic. 192 00:09:00,920 --> 00:09:02,200 And I didn't. I was like, maybe I should 193 00:09:02,320 --> 00:09:04,440 address this, but I didn't want to insult the people in the. 194 00:09:04,520 --> 00:09:05,600 Real. Yeah, because that's quite camp 195 00:09:05,600 --> 00:09:07,240 as well. Yeah, well, I'm excited to hear 196 00:09:07,640 --> 00:09:08,880 what you said to her. Yeah. 197 00:09:09,360 --> 00:09:11,360 And hopefully we got some. If you're listening to this 198 00:09:11,360 --> 00:09:14,480 episode because you're a Lorraine fan, the rest of this 199 00:09:14,480 --> 00:09:16,440 episode has nothing to do to do with Lorraine. 200 00:09:17,360 --> 00:09:19,280 Welcome. We'll try as we talk. 201 00:09:19,280 --> 00:09:23,040 Let's see if we can shoehorn in Lorraine into the episode so it 202 00:09:23,040 --> 00:09:24,560 makes more sense as we build to it. 203 00:09:24,840 --> 00:09:30,600 That's my challenge for you. Other business, other business. 204 00:09:30,600 --> 00:09:32,680 Before we get into today's episode, we had a suggestion 205 00:09:32,680 --> 00:09:37,360 from Ren on Spotify. I think they said why is it 206 00:09:37,360 --> 00:09:39,520 called the suggestion sack and not the fag bag? 207 00:09:40,720 --> 00:09:43,400 Oh. Fag bag is pretty good. 208 00:09:43,640 --> 00:09:45,160 Yeah, yeah. I mean. 209 00:09:45,480 --> 00:09:47,560 We'll use them both. I still like this. 210 00:09:47,680 --> 00:09:49,560 I still like to debunk that sack. 211 00:09:49,720 --> 00:09:51,440 Yeah, yeah, exactly. I yeah. 212 00:09:51,440 --> 00:09:54,440 It's almost like fact bag is like too accomplished for what 213 00:09:54,440 --> 00:09:55,600 it is. You know what I mean? 214 00:09:56,920 --> 00:09:59,320 Something really twee about the suggestion sack. 215 00:09:59,760 --> 00:10:03,440 Yeah, listen, thank you. And we do welcome any format 216 00:10:03,560 --> 00:10:05,600 suggestions. Absolutely, absolutely. 217 00:10:05,720 --> 00:10:08,200 We've got some new Patreon members as well. 218 00:10:08,200 --> 00:10:11,000 Henry and Cara. Welcome to the gay trio. 219 00:10:11,000 --> 00:10:13,680 Heaven, did you say? Henry. 220 00:10:13,760 --> 00:10:17,480 Henry feels like heaven, that's how. 221 00:10:17,760 --> 00:10:19,960 That's a Lorraine reference. Yes. 222 00:10:20,080 --> 00:10:23,240 OK, Wait on the Lorraine scoreboard tick. 223 00:10:23,240 --> 00:10:25,000 That's number one, yeah. It's like heaven. 224 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:27,840 Where are they from? Sweden No. 225 00:10:28,920 --> 00:10:30,320 But you're welcome. We're glad to have you. 226 00:10:30,960 --> 00:10:33,640 It's great to have. You also I had this comment on 227 00:10:33,640 --> 00:10:37,320 Gatrian and I'm so sorry to say I have to just read it out. 228 00:10:37,520 --> 00:10:41,440 LM commented on our Black Swan episode one. 229 00:10:41,440 --> 00:10:43,680 When am I going to get my member shout out? 230 00:10:47,240 --> 00:10:49,640 I'm so sorry LMI. Don't even know what your name. 231 00:10:49,800 --> 00:10:54,600 Is a sad existence. No, I'm sorry, I, I don't know 232 00:10:54,600 --> 00:10:57,320 how that I don't know how that happened, but we're very happy 233 00:10:57,320 --> 00:10:59,440 to have you and. Frankly, like you just want to 234 00:10:59,600 --> 00:11:03,360 members shout out. No, and two, I hope the Liza 235 00:11:03,360 --> 00:11:05,000 book is getting a special episode. 236 00:11:05,960 --> 00:11:07,720 Oh, we're moving into books now, are we as well? 237 00:11:08,360 --> 00:11:10,160 Shit good. We're like multi. 238 00:11:10,240 --> 00:11:14,400 I am interested to kind of hear the AI version of Liza Minnelli 239 00:11:14,400 --> 00:11:17,120 read her own audio book. Yeah, absolutely. 240 00:11:17,120 --> 00:11:19,440 We've also that is kept on Eliza. 241 00:11:20,040 --> 00:11:22,040 Yeah, maybe we should. Maybe with Eliza Book coming 242 00:11:22,040 --> 00:11:23,280 out, we should finally do cabaret. 243 00:11:23,480 --> 00:11:28,200 And then review the book as well and then get Liza AI an 244 00:11:28,200 --> 00:11:32,200 interview Liza AI some. Random influencer doing book 245 00:11:32,200 --> 00:11:35,760 promo and it was on her official page like this man with like 246 00:11:35,920 --> 00:11:38,680 4000 followers. So there's you know what? 247 00:11:38,680 --> 00:11:41,800 There is a world where we could get a Liza collab. 248 00:11:41,800 --> 00:11:45,400 Liza AI to Co host the episode. Yeah. 249 00:11:45,400 --> 00:11:49,120 Oh, no. She I. 250 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:51,760 Oh, which that one again? She. 251 00:11:52,040 --> 00:11:55,400 Slipped to the gangster. I also always want to say 252 00:11:55,400 --> 00:11:57,480 raspberries, but that's Carol Tanning. 253 00:11:58,280 --> 00:12:00,160 Oh yeah, raspberries. Raspberries. 254 00:12:06,680 --> 00:12:08,120 You know what? I told you this? 255 00:12:08,480 --> 00:12:09,760 You know why Carol Channing did that? 256 00:12:10,640 --> 00:12:13,920 No. So it was in the script blows 257 00:12:13,920 --> 00:12:15,800 Raspberry. And she didn't know what that 258 00:12:15,800 --> 00:12:18,280 meant, so she just read it out loud. 259 00:12:19,480 --> 00:12:22,440 So she was supposed to go. Yeah. 260 00:12:22,440 --> 00:12:24,640 And she didn't know what that what that term was. 261 00:12:24,640 --> 00:12:27,240 So she just went raspberries and they kept it in. 262 00:12:27,440 --> 00:12:28,160 Oh, great. OK. 263 00:12:29,000 --> 00:12:29,680 It's so good. Raspberry. 264 00:12:34,040 --> 00:12:35,960 Any other business? Any other business? 265 00:12:36,200 --> 00:12:37,880 I don't think so. The Gatreon, Yeah, I've 266 00:12:37,880 --> 00:12:40,000 mentioned it. You can sign up, It's £4 a 267 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:41,840 month. You get a bonus episode. 268 00:12:41,880 --> 00:12:43,600 We would love to have you over there. 269 00:12:43,880 --> 00:12:47,560 Yeah, and like, I don't know what it is, but I think we need 270 00:12:47,560 --> 00:12:49,760 to give the Gatreon something else. 271 00:12:50,800 --> 00:12:53,400 OK. So just leaving that as a 272 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:55,560 floater for you. There you go. 273 00:12:56,080 --> 00:12:59,960 OK. Just big big, big picture, big 274 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:01,120 thoughts. There's something. 275 00:13:01,120 --> 00:13:03,880 There's something there. There's definitely something 276 00:13:03,880 --> 00:13:09,840 missing from all of this. But no, seriously, thank you for 277 00:13:09,840 --> 00:13:15,520 purchasing your Gatron tickets. We it means a lot to us, doesn't 278 00:13:15,520 --> 00:13:15,960 it? It does. 279 00:13:16,080 --> 00:13:20,600 It allows us to, you know, to just add production values to 280 00:13:20,600 --> 00:13:24,040 book people like Lorraine. Yeah, she's, I mean, Lorraine's 281 00:13:24,040 --> 00:13:28,880 not cheap and I had to pay for that Lime bike to to Kings Cross 282 00:13:29,040 --> 00:13:32,120 with that ring light. So, you know, your, your support 283 00:13:32,120 --> 00:13:32,920 goes a long way. Yeah. 284 00:13:33,520 --> 00:13:35,160 Help me, I'm poor. No listen. 285 00:13:35,880 --> 00:13:37,680 Baby. Though before we go any further, 286 00:13:38,120 --> 00:13:40,400 what the hell makes a camp classic? 287 00:13:40,800 --> 00:13:44,200 Well camp classic is something that needs to unlock queer joy. 288 00:13:44,240 --> 00:13:48,200 We want to get a wetty. It needs to be stupid, it should 289 00:13:48,200 --> 00:13:51,200 have an ongoing legacy that informs queer pop culture. 290 00:13:51,320 --> 00:13:54,280 And ultimately it needs to be anti mainstream slash underdog 291 00:13:54,280 --> 00:13:57,040 flop vibes that's been reclaimed by the F slurs. 292 00:13:57,960 --> 00:14:03,240 And today, these F slurs are talking Troop Beverly Hills. 293 00:14:03,240 --> 00:14:04,920 Fresh out of this suggestion sack. 294 00:14:04,920 --> 00:14:06,680 Fresh out of the suggestion sack from Niall. 295 00:14:07,040 --> 00:14:11,920 Hello, Niall. We've got a lot to be sorry for, 296 00:14:11,920 --> 00:14:14,120 Niall. Nothing can. 297 00:14:16,160 --> 00:14:19,400 What's your suggestion? Sack hasn't been that successful 298 00:14:19,400 --> 00:14:23,720 thus far in my opinion. Both times we've drawn the movie 299 00:14:23,720 --> 00:14:26,560 and I've been like, oh, fun, yeah, looking forward to that. 300 00:14:26,720 --> 00:14:30,200 And both times it's been a bit of a let down. 301 00:14:31,160 --> 00:14:35,560 Well, maybe that is correct. Maybe it's not because I had a 302 00:14:35,560 --> 00:14:39,400 bit of a 180 flip halfway through watching this movie. 303 00:14:39,560 --> 00:14:42,240 Yeah, that's just my little teaser for where I'm going. 304 00:14:45,240 --> 00:14:46,440 What's your history with this movie? 305 00:14:46,440 --> 00:14:48,880 I have no history with it. Likewise, I had never seen it. 306 00:14:48,880 --> 00:14:52,800 I feel like it's one of the few films of this ilk that I haven't 307 00:14:52,800 --> 00:14:55,640 watched because I was very much that person that would be like, 308 00:14:56,360 --> 00:14:59,880 oh God, I need a Bette Midler comedy to watch like in my 20s 309 00:14:59,880 --> 00:15:01,720 or so. You just would scroll a Goldie 310 00:15:01,720 --> 00:15:04,400 Hawn, Bette Midler, Shelley Long as well. 311 00:15:04,400 --> 00:15:07,160 Like I've seen all of them, but this, this was one that just 312 00:15:07,280 --> 00:15:10,200 kind of was there that I've never seen before and I don't 313 00:15:10,200 --> 00:15:12,560 know why. Yeah, I've never seen it, I 314 00:15:12,560 --> 00:15:13,720 don't think. This is the first thing I've 315 00:15:13,720 --> 00:15:14,960 ever seen with Shelley Long in it. 316 00:15:14,960 --> 00:15:16,280 Oh. Have you not seen the Brady 317 00:15:16,280 --> 00:15:17,040 Bunch films? No. 318 00:15:17,280 --> 00:15:18,600 Oh, that's interesting. Yeah. 319 00:15:18,800 --> 00:15:20,480 You've not seen Money Pit? No. 320 00:15:20,480 --> 00:15:23,240 Oh, OK. So you literally don't know who 321 00:15:23,280 --> 00:15:25,080 she is at all. No, I loved her. 322 00:15:25,760 --> 00:15:27,640 I mean, she's she's one of those ones. 323 00:15:27,640 --> 00:15:32,440 She kind of had a big spur in the 80s and then it kind of went 324 00:15:32,440 --> 00:15:34,760 a bit flopped Tina for her, right? 325 00:15:36,160 --> 00:15:37,800 She had a big argument with Bette Midler. 326 00:15:37,800 --> 00:15:40,360 They didn't like each other on set when they did a film 327 00:15:40,360 --> 00:15:42,800 together. And Bette Midler was actually 328 00:15:42,800 --> 00:15:44,640 meant to be in this. Disney wanted her for this, 329 00:15:44,640 --> 00:15:47,040 didn't they? But yeah, she's kind of just, 330 00:15:47,040 --> 00:15:48,920 you know, fizzled out slightly, but. 331 00:15:48,920 --> 00:15:50,680 So you're saying Bette Midler destroyed her career? 332 00:15:50,680 --> 00:15:52,480 Probably. Yeah, I wouldn't put it past. 333 00:15:52,480 --> 00:15:53,760 Her. I could see Bette Midler in this 334 00:15:53,760 --> 00:15:54,760 role though. Oh my God. 335 00:15:54,760 --> 00:15:57,280 Yeah, yeah. Or Goldie. 336 00:15:57,920 --> 00:16:01,160 Yeah. Or just any generic bloody woman 337 00:16:01,160 --> 00:16:02,520 from that period of time. Yeah. 338 00:16:02,640 --> 00:16:06,680 But I really liked her. She's very watchable. 339 00:16:07,120 --> 00:16:09,720 She's very Valerie Cherish. Totally. 340 00:16:09,720 --> 00:16:13,000 And I can completely see that Lisa Kudrow must have used her 341 00:16:13,000 --> 00:16:17,360 as a reference for the way she talks, the intonation, the red 342 00:16:17,360 --> 00:16:18,240 hair. Yeah. 343 00:16:18,560 --> 00:16:20,160 Yeah. Very Valerie Cherish. 344 00:16:20,160 --> 00:16:23,240 And in this movie, she's she's also got a bit of Elvira. 345 00:16:23,520 --> 00:16:27,560 Yes, yeah, I see that. And she's got a bit of Samantha 346 00:16:27,560 --> 00:16:30,760 Sex and the City. There's like without the like, 347 00:16:30,760 --> 00:16:32,560 slut. Yeah, OK. 348 00:16:32,560 --> 00:16:37,040 Yeah, yeah. Like the looks and like you know 349 00:16:37,040 --> 00:16:40,000 how like in Sex in the City, they would all all end up doing 350 00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:42,480 pratfalls also. And you're like. 351 00:16:42,920 --> 00:16:46,440 Does Samantha do a pratfall? They go she'd she'd Morris 352 00:16:46,440 --> 00:16:48,480 things or. Maybe she'd fall over and land 353 00:16:48,480 --> 00:16:50,000 on a Dick, you know what I mean? Yeah. 354 00:16:50,360 --> 00:16:52,040 Yeah. It's fun to just speak as 355 00:16:52,040 --> 00:16:53,720 Samantha, I think. Absolutely. 356 00:16:53,840 --> 00:16:56,240 I'm a trisexual, I'll try anything once. 357 00:16:56,840 --> 00:17:01,440 Well, so this movie, it was directed by Jeff Canoe, sounds 358 00:17:01,440 --> 00:17:03,880 like a fake name. Yeah, it definitely sounds like 359 00:17:03,880 --> 00:17:06,160 a fake name. He directed Revenge of the Nerds 360 00:17:06,319 --> 00:17:08,760 which I haven't seen. Nah did some of these movies. 361 00:17:08,960 --> 00:17:13,520 It was written by Pamela Norris, Margaret Greco Oberman and Ava 362 00:17:13,520 --> 00:17:15,960 Ostern. Freeze so written by three 363 00:17:15,960 --> 00:17:17,280 women. And I write saying that it's 364 00:17:17,280 --> 00:17:20,400 based on Pamela's own life. Yeah, maybe a bit. 365 00:17:20,880 --> 00:17:24,680 Yeah, didn't. She like do something like this? 366 00:17:25,800 --> 00:17:29,640 I thought I saw something that it was like it was based on her 367 00:17:29,640 --> 00:17:32,400 experiences in a girl. That's girl, she said. 368 00:17:32,480 --> 00:17:34,800 And then it was a fun dinner party story. 369 00:17:35,200 --> 00:17:36,920 And then got turned into right? Yeah. 370 00:17:37,160 --> 00:17:39,320 She was a writer on SNL for four years. 371 00:17:39,520 --> 00:17:41,960 Oh, OK. Yeah, it had a budget of $18 372 00:17:41,960 --> 00:17:47,920 million, but it was a box office bomb. 8.5 million it took. 373 00:17:48,040 --> 00:17:50,240 Wow, that is a big old flop, isn't? 374 00:17:50,240 --> 00:17:55,840 It that's really bad, Really fucking bad, and it's got 14% on 375 00:17:55,840 --> 00:17:59,960 Rotten Tomatoes. The synopsis is Troop Beverly 376 00:17:59,960 --> 00:18:03,280 Hills is hamstrung by a one joke premise, leaving this Shelly 377 00:18:03,280 --> 00:18:06,360 Long comedy woefully short on laughs. 378 00:18:07,200 --> 00:18:08,200 Ow. Ouch. 379 00:18:09,120 --> 00:18:11,440 Were you in any of these kind of things? 380 00:18:11,600 --> 00:18:13,320 You know, like, I don't know what the equivalent would have 381 00:18:13,320 --> 00:18:16,120 been in Canada, but I don't think it's the wilderness girls 382 00:18:16,120 --> 00:18:18,280 for. You it was Cubs and then that 383 00:18:18,280 --> 00:18:19,920 would have gone. Was Cubs the earliest because we 384 00:18:19,960 --> 00:18:22,240 had we had Beavers? I was a Beaver. 385 00:18:22,320 --> 00:18:23,520 I did Beavers. You're right. 386 00:18:23,520 --> 00:18:26,160 I was a Beavers. Yeah, I was a Beaver too. 387 00:18:27,800 --> 00:18:30,880 I really wanted to be a cub but I wasn't allowed to be. 388 00:18:30,880 --> 00:18:33,160 For some reason my mum wouldn't allow me to do it. 389 00:18:33,160 --> 00:18:35,520 I. Think maybe I did a bit of Cubs. 390 00:18:36,720 --> 00:18:38,280 Would you all right, Samantha? I did. 391 00:18:38,320 --> 00:18:39,600 I put a cop. Would you? 392 00:18:39,720 --> 00:18:41,600 Would you say you were an eager Beaver? 393 00:18:44,760 --> 00:18:48,080 OK, great. Do you know the tagline of this 394 00:18:48,080 --> 00:18:49,240 movie? No. 395 00:18:50,680 --> 00:18:53,160 Brace yourself. She's hilarious, she's 396 00:18:53,160 --> 00:18:56,720 captivating, she's wonderful. She's a Beverly Hills babe in 397 00:18:56,720 --> 00:19:00,160 the woods, and the woods are wild with laughter. 398 00:19:00,760 --> 00:19:03,000 Wow. OK. 399 00:19:03,600 --> 00:19:07,000 That's a lot. That's a big promise, isn't? 400 00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:09,760 It Yeah, the woods are wild with laughter. 401 00:19:11,600 --> 00:19:14,680 The other tag line is when the going gets tough, the tough goes 402 00:19:14,680 --> 00:19:15,920 shopping. What? 403 00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:19,800 Yeah, I mean, they're struggling even with this part of it. 404 00:19:20,320 --> 00:19:23,480 Yeah, I think if you can't do a good tag line for your movie, it 405 00:19:23,480 --> 00:19:25,680 means you had a bad premise to begin with. 406 00:19:25,680 --> 00:19:28,000 Yeah, exactly. There should be a few options if 407 00:19:28,040 --> 00:19:30,040 it's got that far, yeah. Absolutely. 408 00:19:30,680 --> 00:19:34,040 So this movie came out in 89, and it was part of a spate of 409 00:19:34,440 --> 00:19:38,000 movies that were kind of riffing on the success of Beverly Hills 410 00:19:38,000 --> 00:19:40,800 Cop. Really. 411 00:19:40,800 --> 00:19:42,680 Yes, So there was. Because I can kind of see 412 00:19:42,680 --> 00:19:46,360 Private Benjamin vibes. But but there was like a whole 413 00:19:46,640 --> 00:19:48,880 slew of movies. Oh, just set in Beverly Hills. 414 00:19:48,880 --> 00:19:51,840 Set in Beverly Hills, and so I've actually brought a small 415 00:19:51,840 --> 00:19:53,440 quiz. Oh, OK, wonderful. 416 00:19:53,520 --> 00:19:58,320 I want you to tell me I'm calling this quiz Beverly Hills. 417 00:19:58,320 --> 00:20:03,120 What a thrill. And because, as I said, this was 418 00:20:03,360 --> 00:20:05,640 part of a mini cycle of Hollywood movies that were made 419 00:20:05,640 --> 00:20:09,360 after the box office success of Beverly Hills Cop, I want you to 420 00:20:09,360 --> 00:20:12,960 tell me if these are real or fake Beverly Hills movies. 421 00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:17,120 OK, yes. We've got Beverly Hills vamp. 422 00:20:18,560 --> 00:20:21,200 Beverly Hills vamp? I'm going to presume that's 423 00:20:21,200 --> 00:20:23,080 about a vampire that's in Beverly Hills. 424 00:20:23,080 --> 00:20:26,160 I think it's a fun concept, yes. It is real. 425 00:20:26,240 --> 00:20:28,280 Who starred in it? No one. 426 00:20:28,280 --> 00:20:29,880 No one. OK, Yeah. 427 00:20:31,040 --> 00:20:35,200 Beverly Hills, Chihuahua. Yes. 428 00:20:35,320 --> 00:20:37,160 Correct. Yeah, Reese Witherspoon. 429 00:20:37,360 --> 00:20:38,880 Reese Witherspoon playing the Chihuahua. 430 00:20:38,880 --> 00:20:41,080 Versatile. I don't it might be animated, I 431 00:20:41,080 --> 00:20:43,200 don't know. I remember being on a bus in 432 00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:45,080 South America once though and they played Beverly Hills 433 00:20:45,080 --> 00:20:47,280 Chihuahua too. Oh, I've got a sequel. 434 00:20:47,400 --> 00:20:51,120 OK, Yeah. Beverly Hills Ninja. 435 00:20:52,200 --> 00:20:53,280 No. False. 436 00:20:53,280 --> 00:20:57,160 It's true. Chris Farley and Beverly Hills, 437 00:20:57,160 --> 00:21:00,440 Madam. Now that's something I want to 438 00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:02,000 watch. I'm going to say that's not 439 00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:03,920 true. It's also true they're all real. 440 00:21:04,040 --> 00:21:06,640 And that one stars Faye Dunaway. What? 441 00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:10,160 What? There's a Faye Dunaway film 442 00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:13,200 called Beverly Hills Madam. She plays a high end Madam in 443 00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:15,640 Beverly Hills. It's a made for TV movie from 444 00:21:15,640 --> 00:21:19,400 1986 Next. Four women, each with a dream, 445 00:21:19,480 --> 00:21:21,280 trapped by one who controls it all. 446 00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:22,920 That's why I'm. So successful. 447 00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:25,880 Faye Dunaway is the Beverly Hills Madam next. 448 00:21:26,760 --> 00:21:28,240 You said you're a little trickster, aren't you? 449 00:21:28,240 --> 00:21:29,480 Yeah. They're all real. 450 00:21:29,480 --> 00:21:31,720 They're all real. What do you like? 451 00:21:31,840 --> 00:21:34,640 Should we get into the plot? Let's this movie. 452 00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:38,400 The plot? The plot? 453 00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:41,240 Do you want the real plot or the the actual plot? 454 00:21:41,600 --> 00:21:44,120 Oh, because the actual plot is very simple. 455 00:21:44,600 --> 00:21:47,080 Yeah, yeah. Have you ever? 456 00:21:47,080 --> 00:21:50,040 Heard hey women don't have any self respect. 457 00:21:50,760 --> 00:21:54,120 Blah blah blah girl power feminism. 458 00:21:54,120 --> 00:21:57,280 Do you know what I mean? Full stop. 459 00:21:57,600 --> 00:21:59,440 That's why. We started this podcast, isn't 460 00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:01,920 it? What I what I will say is like, 461 00:22:01,920 --> 00:22:03,920 I struggled with this movie and we'll get into it. 462 00:22:03,920 --> 00:22:07,440 But like I did struggle first time I watched it, I like zoned 463 00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:08,520 out. So I stopped watching it. 464 00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:11,840 So I had to rewatch it. Yeah, I have thoughts about this 465 00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:16,760 plot per se. You because you you texted me 466 00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:19,280 and said like meh or something like that. 467 00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:20,120 From the get go. Yeah. 468 00:22:20,120 --> 00:22:23,160 And because we had just done striptease, which was a bit of a 469 00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:26,360 slog, and we had just done mannequin, which was a bit of a 470 00:22:26,360 --> 00:22:29,680 slog. I was like, OK, I need to go 471 00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:31,440 into this with a positive attitude. 472 00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:34,720 I need to have fun. So I, I basically went to him 473 00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:38,760 with incredibly low expectations and I was like just trying to 474 00:22:38,760 --> 00:22:40,080 like it, OK? Yeah. 475 00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:41,680 And that helped. OK, Yeah. 476 00:22:41,680 --> 00:22:44,560 And I had a nice time. Yeah, and I think I, I have a 477 00:22:44,560 --> 00:22:50,160 similar feeling on my rewatch. I kind of went more in and yeah, 478 00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:52,640 there's a slightly more positive outlook. 479 00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:56,640 Yeah, I saw a review on Letterbox that said I promise 480 00:22:56,640 --> 00:22:59,040 you'll like this movie if you promise to only watch it using 481 00:22:59,040 --> 00:23:02,080 one brain cell. I think that kind of sums it up. 482 00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:05,640 But let's get into this plot so we've got a nice cartoony intro. 483 00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:09,920 Which used to be a camp clue and it's actually it's a red flag 484 00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:12,440 for me now. As soon as I saw that, I was 485 00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:15,320 like, oh, here we go. I like plot. 486 00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:17,520 I like to. Stand by the Ren and Stimpy 487 00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:19,240 animators, which I thought was quite cool. 488 00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:22,440 Yeah, that looks great. So then we go to the Wilderness 489 00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:25,120 Girls Troop HQ. Yes. 490 00:23:25,120 --> 00:23:29,120 And we meet all the leaders and they're reviewing the Beverly 491 00:23:29,120 --> 00:23:32,000 Hills Troop. This is like. 492 00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:34,720 High stakes, High stakes. Yeah, high stakes set up those. 493 00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:37,240 Girls have not sold any cookies and they have not earned any 494 00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:40,760 badges and they're. Like they're down to like 6-7 495 00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:42,440 members or something like that. Yeah, yeah. 496 00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:44,640 And they're like, we should scrap them. 497 00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:47,600 But the the nice boss lady is like, no, we're going to give 498 00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:50,160 them one last try. And we've had an application for 499 00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:53,360 a new troop leader. And then we get cut back and 500 00:23:53,360 --> 00:23:56,560 forth to Phyllis Kniffler's application. 501 00:23:56,640 --> 00:24:01,360 And we meet Phyllis Kniffler. And to be fair, excited, when I 502 00:24:01,360 --> 00:24:04,000 first saw this, I was like, OK, I'm on board. 503 00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:08,600 So she's listed as her as her like qualifications that she's 504 00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:12,240 community minded and we get a cut of her shopping and 505 00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:14,720 gossiping. Who's she gossiping with there? 506 00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:19,000 Stephanie Beecham? Now Stephanie Beecham looks 507 00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:21,480 fucking sensational. She looks so good. 508 00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:26,960 She has made Joan Collins in Dynasty not look 80s glitzy glam 509 00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:33,520 enough like it is unbelievable levels of like Beverly Hills 510 00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:35,960 Madam. Yeah, it's so Beverly Hills, 511 00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:38,480 Madam. It's like it's kind of Barbara 512 00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:42,240 Dixon in like, I know I'm so well, like the amount of 513 00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:45,040 Hairspray that this woman has. Used the hair isn't that full 514 00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:48,600 either, but no, no, exactly. And you can see directly through 515 00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:50,000 it. There's not a wig, there's not a 516 00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:51,840 piece. It's dry. 517 00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:53,800 It is going to it's like candy floss. 518 00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:56,800 It's going to break off. She has a foot off her head in 519 00:24:56,800 --> 00:24:58,760 all directions. And I love it because it's like 520 00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:02,560 like Hollywood pre, pre crazy surgery. 521 00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:05,720 So she looks older, but she's got like the nails, she's got 522 00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:07,440 the glam on. And I'm just like. 523 00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:10,960 Who is she? Stephanie Beech, Yeah, she, she 524 00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:12,640 was in Dynasty. Yeah. 525 00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:14,480 She's just like a British posh. She was. 526 00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:17,480 She was a British posh actress. They're like, we need another 527 00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:18,600 John Collins. Do we have? 528 00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:20,200 One yeah, she's buried that yeah yeah. 529 00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:24,200 And sort of has played lots of trashy TV movies and stuff in. 530 00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:27,520 Her, I recognized her and like, I was like, I think, yeah, 531 00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:30,120 maybe. I will say she's criminally 532 00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:33,920 underused in this movie, yes, because she. 533 00:25:34,360 --> 00:25:35,560 It's kind of a cameo. Really. 534 00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:37,440 But whenever she appears, it's just. 535 00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:41,640 Because she's playing like a romance novel writer, which is 536 00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:43,880 great. I think I have no point to it. 537 00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:46,920 And then she looks cool. She's she's fun from the get go. 538 00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:49,640 Isn't she old Shelly? Yeah, yeah, yeah, she looks 539 00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:52,520 stunning. She's got amazing hair and she. 540 00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:56,520 Yeah, we see her. Just cut to her, cut to her, cut 541 00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:57,880 to her. She's in a different fabulous 542 00:25:57,880 --> 00:26:00,400 outfit each time. And it's like drag levels about 543 00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:03,560 Oh my God, it's like crazy 80s isn't it nuts? 544 00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:07,000 It's. No woman ever has ever actually 545 00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:09,600 looked like this. It's very Adina, absolutely. 546 00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:11,040 Fabulous. Yeah, Yeah. 547 00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:14,480 With like a 80s Beverly Hills twist because like, Adina would 548 00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:15,840 sometimes go sportswear, wouldn't she? 549 00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:17,080 Yeah. But yeah, it's like. 550 00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:19,160 Like a big pirate hat. Yeah, yeah. 551 00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:21,840 Everything's with with Shelly, with Phyllis. 552 00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:23,680 Everything's structured, everything's cinched. 553 00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:28,120 Everything's got a bustier, like a train, A glove. 554 00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:31,560 Yeah, a hat. There was always a hat. 555 00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:33,240 Everything matches. It's great. 556 00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:36,280 I'd say like every piece of clothing in this movie is 557 00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:40,240 objectively ugly and yet wonderful. 558 00:26:40,360 --> 00:26:44,880 Yes, it's maximalism, isn't it? Yeah, but they are so wonderful. 559 00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:47,840 Each thing should be archived in a costume museum. 560 00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:50,080 Absolutely. They are like, yeah, I was 561 00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:52,480 watching it just thinking like any of those could be like a 562 00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:54,840 Drag Race runway, though. Totally. 563 00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:57,880 I mean, they're all yeah, they're, they all look like that 564 00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:00,840 one drag queen, you know, in LA who's like, hasn't been on Drag 565 00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:03,160 Race, but like always turns out the look. 566 00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:06,960 Yeah, but it's like a bit kind of delta work style of drag and 567 00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:07,880 it's it's great. Yeah. 568 00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:08,480 It's love it. Yeah. 569 00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:12,200 So it's from the get go, I'm like OK, it's ticking my boxes. 570 00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:14,480 Ding, Ding, Ding, Ding, Ding. I'm like, we're going to be in 571 00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:16,680 for an easy ride with this. Yep. 572 00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:20,280 And Shelley Long is playing basically your classic Beverly 573 00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:23,280 Hills bimbo, I guess. Yeah, yeah. 574 00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:25,040 She's a socialite. She's rich. 575 00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:28,600 She's materialistic. She's got Karen's made from Will 576 00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:32,400 and Grace before Karen has her. Yes, I've got a fact about that. 577 00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:34,960 That actress is Shelley Morrison. 578 00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:38,720 She plays Rosario on Will and Grace, and she plays a maid 579 00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:41,680 called Rosa. In this movie, she's portrayed a 580 00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:44,640 maid or housekeeper on 32 separate occasions. 581 00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:46,720 Wow. Isn't that? 582 00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:51,480 I mean, I presume she's probably made an OK living out of her as 583 00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:53,080 an actress, but that's fucking terrible. 584 00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:56,320 Yeah, she's she's dead now, but she had actually. 585 00:27:57,040 --> 00:27:59,520 It's even sadder. Yeah, she had actually just 586 00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:02,720 informed her agent not to offer her any more made parts when the 587 00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:04,840 call came for willing grace, and then that's the one that made 588 00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:08,480 her famous. Yeah, I mean, at least in 589 00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:11,160 willing Grace, she had a bit of. Power, but some bite. 590 00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:14,960 Fucking hell yeah. And it's and I would say that 591 00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:17,880 she's, you know, well, she's just she's just like the most 592 00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:20,960 generic maid ever in this, isn't she? 593 00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:25,200 I hate these portrayals in like Hollywood with any kind of maid 594 00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:28,440 because they always these kind of comedies always just like 595 00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:33,240 have them just fully doting and like living off of their life 596 00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:36,600 and their dramas and like absolutely no personality or 597 00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:38,000 life themselves. It's like. 598 00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:42,720 The only thing we get from her, which I did like, was when's 599 00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:46,320 Rosa back? And then she's like, oh, she's 600 00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:47,680 in Mexico. Her grandmother died. 601 00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:50,240 And then the kid goes again. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 602 00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:53,120 So that was the one sense you get that she's like, fuck this 603 00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:54,400 woman. She's playing, but, yeah. 604 00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:57,480 But then at the same time, you've got her like, there's 605 00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:00,720 basically this woman is having, what's her name, Shelley Long's 606 00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:02,800 character again, What is it? Phyllis Kniffler. 607 00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:05,880 Phyllis, there we go. She's having like a shit time, 608 00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:09,080 isn't she? Because her husband is going to 609 00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:11,120 divorce her and she's sort of going through that. 610 00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:14,600 And then Rosa is getting upset because they're arguing and it's 611 00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:16,760 for fuck's sake. As if she'd care. 612 00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:18,600 Yeah, exactly. Yeah, there was an opportunity 613 00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:24,680 to make that made like Sassy, like like Rosario and Will and 614 00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:26,520 Grace. But they just decided no. 615 00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:29,040 Yeah, they're like, no, she'll be, she'll be fawning. 616 00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:34,000 That's so upsetting. Phyllis Neffler is getting 617 00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:36,120 divorced from her husband Freddie. 618 00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:40,760 They've got a daughter. And why are they divorcing? 619 00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:44,840 Well, it's because he's a workaholic and she spends too 620 00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:46,360 much money. They're just, there's like a 621 00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:48,480 divide. Yeah, guys, this is what 622 00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:50,040 happens. They've been together for a long 623 00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:52,640 enough period of time and this is just a divide happening. 624 00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:55,480 I think they're divorcing because yeah, the the stated 625 00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:57,680 reason seems to be that she's she shops too much. 626 00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:01,920 Yeah. And then when she calls him out 627 00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:05,000 for being a workaholic and maybe not present in the relationship, 628 00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:08,720 he says that she had so much potential, so much greatness. 629 00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:12,200 She was she was such a creative and then she basically just 630 00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:16,280 wasted it on going shopping. So he's obviously has pretty low 631 00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:19,680 opinions of his wife and. Yeah. 632 00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:22,320 Sucks. He sucks, but then also I'm just 633 00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:26,280 like, it's just like, oh, privilege, Beverly Hills people 634 00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:28,720 problems. It's like, oh wow, OK. 635 00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:30,840 Yeah, totally. But I'm still in. 636 00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:33,160 I'm still in at this point because I'm like, I think I know 637 00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:35,760 what's happening. I know where this is going. 638 00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:38,760 And I'm like, I've seen this kind of movie many times. 639 00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:40,640 So yeah, I'm in. I'm in. 640 00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:42,560 I'm still locked in. This is going to be a camp 641 00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:45,440 classic. Yeah, Phyllis, a bit more about 642 00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:47,160 her, I guess. She's kind of frivolous. 643 00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:49,880 Apparently, she loses interest in things quite quickly, but she 644 00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:52,440 has said that she'll become the troop leader for her daughter 645 00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:56,240 because she wants to have, like, bonding time with her daughter 646 00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:59,320 in light of the divorce. Then we meet all the kids in the 647 00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:02,080 troop. Yeah, I liked this. 648 00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:05,840 There's like 8 kids. They're all like different rich 649 00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:08,040 kid archetypes from Beverly Hills. 650 00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:09,720 And they're like, we kind of meet them one by one. 651 00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:12,480 It seems like it should be a lot, but they they do a good job 652 00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:14,960 of like kind of giving all of these kids a different little 653 00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:18,120 little quirk story, whatever. Each one's like a different 654 00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:20,520 Spice Girl. Yeah, that's exactly right. 655 00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:22,760 Yeah. They've all got very good 90s 656 00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:24,920 hair, yeah. Lots of very side sweep 657 00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:26,760 blowouts. A lot of side ponies. 658 00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:30,280 Side ponies. This is where I thought I knew 659 00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:32,560 what was happening because obviously we meet some of them, 660 00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:34,360 don't we? And then one of the one of the 661 00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:38,360 families that we meet, there's like a director guy who's a bit 662 00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:41,920 like rough and rugged driving and he's talking about these big 663 00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:44,480 ideas he's got for a film and like the daughters in the back 664 00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:46,280 being like, dad, dad, you're crazy. 665 00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:49,760 You're cougar. And I was just like, ah, there's 666 00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:52,480 someone that's different to old Phyllis. 667 00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:55,440 Ah, that's going to be the love interest. 668 00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:58,240 That's what's going to happen. Things are going to happen here. 669 00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:00,680 Things are going to, she's going to have a downfall. 670 00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:02,600 She's going to like rough and ready it. 671 00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:03,760 She's going to meet the director. 672 00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:06,520 He's going to like unleash creativity in them. 673 00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:07,880 They're going to end up together. 674 00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:10,360 And I was like, yeah, OK, this is what's happening. 675 00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:12,080 You're giving this movie way too much no that. 676 00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:13,000 Doesn't happen. Doesn't. 677 00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:15,520 It. But I thought he was the plant. 678 00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:17,480 I was like, there's the love interest, there's the new 679 00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:20,360 exciting guy, the one that's going to kind of shake her out 680 00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:23,800 of this like mold, shake her out of this like materialistic 681 00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:25,640 privilege is going to kind of get to the root. 682 00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:27,600 So I was kind of, it's a bit like overboard with. 683 00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:28,480 Golden Dawn. Yeah. 684 00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:32,680 Oh, right. That's what I was, sort of, no. 685 00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:36,560 No shout out to like the racist cop scene. 686 00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:39,520 Oh, straight away a cab. Yeah, yeah, it's interesting. 687 00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:44,360 Like there's a black family who are in the troupe and they're 688 00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:47,680 all rich, but they get pulled over and the movie is kind of 689 00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:50,160 making a point to be like, these guys are getting pulled over 690 00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:53,480 because they're black and then they kind of don't, you know who 691 00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:56,000 I am out of their way, out of the situation. 692 00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:58,360 Well, the kids does. The kid does, yeah. 693 00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:00,600 I thought it was kind of interesting to, like, show that. 694 00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:03,600 I don't, I don't know if the movie was trying to make a point 695 00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:05,440 or not. But if I don't know if the movie 696 00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:06,960 was trying to be like, isn't it funny? 697 00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:09,760 I don't know. Yeah, And it's like, I don't 698 00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:13,440 know, I kind of loved, hated the little girl, like, just because 699 00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:19,960 she's like super sassy, but in a very like stereotypical super 700 00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:22,360 sassy black girl way. But she's kind of is still 701 00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:24,680 amazing. She's just like, now daddy, 702 00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:28,520 shake this man's hand and let him be on his way. 703 00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:31,560 And I'm like, you're performing the fuck out of this young lady. 704 00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:33,520 But I'm like, so yeah, I kind of was like, OK. 705 00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:36,200 Yeah. And then that's where we meet 706 00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:37,720 Stephanie Beach. Him again. 707 00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:41,280 Yeah. And so she's asking for advice 708 00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:43,880 from a kid about how to, like, help her steaming. 709 00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:46,560 Yeah, she's like, what? His pulsating. 710 00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:51,200 Manhood rising into a frenzy and then she's like, ah, yes, but 711 00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:55,360 with a slight tweak, rising into a tulsating frenzy. 712 00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:57,640 And again I'm like, I'm like, yes, this. 713 00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:00,880 I'm like, what are we watching? Yeah, sex positive. 714 00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:03,440 And again, doesn't the kid suggest the word manhood? 715 00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:05,600 Yeah, the kid comes up with the line. 716 00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:08,800 She just adds sating to it. So again, so again. 717 00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:11,679 But I am a bit like, who was this film for? 718 00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:14,199 It's an adult comedy then. Yeah. 719 00:34:14,639 --> 00:34:17,639 And then I don't think it is. It's very mannequin in that way. 720 00:34:17,639 --> 00:34:20,880 Yes, yeah, you're so right. I had the same note. 721 00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:22,360 Like what? Who is this movie for? 722 00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:23,920 Is it a kids movie? It's hard to tell. 723 00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:25,800 Yeah, at this stage, especially hard to tell. 724 00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:28,760 Pulsating manhood. So then she's hosting. 725 00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:31,480 She's basically hosting a little get together for all of these 726 00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:33,360 rich kids. She's got caviar and stuff. 727 00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:36,159 This outfit is very like typical of her. 728 00:34:36,159 --> 00:34:39,880 She looks like an Easter basket. Yes, she does. 729 00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:46,080 Pennies, feathers, flowers, hat. Yeah. 730 00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:50,000 And she's all, she's all down for, like leading the troop, 731 00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:51,719 isn't she? But then this is where we find 732 00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:55,120 out that the kids, no one believes in them. 733 00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:58,560 No one believes in them. They're, they're the underdogs, 734 00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:06,560 these rich kids, cow, you know, like the Mighty Ducks or we've 735 00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:09,520 seen the story before of the underdog kids. 736 00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:10,560 Well, these ones. Are. 737 00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:14,040 Yeah, these ones are rich. Yeah, they are like, they are 738 00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:17,880 super, super rich. Like, this is like, the ultimate 739 00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:21,440 flaw of this is like that we're meant to feel sorry for these, 740 00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:23,680 like, incredibly privileged kids. 741 00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:26,440 Yeah, yeah, it's it's a bizarre choice. 742 00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:29,960 And The thing is, it's like their problems aren't even that. 743 00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:32,120 Like when they do have a problem, like there's one 744 00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:36,240 problem, there's one kid that her dad is like a jobbing actor. 745 00:35:36,240 --> 00:35:39,800 So she doesn't quite have the money that the others have, but. 746 00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:41,960 Yeah, they had money, but he's lost it all kind of vibes. 747 00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:43,160 He's a struggling being actor now. 748 00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:45,920 But like it's, you know, she can't afford something, so it's 749 00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:47,440 like someone's just like I'll pay for. 750 00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:48,800 It Yeah. What are the other arcs for the 751 00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:51,440 rest of the kids? Well, the they. 752 00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:55,480 Do all have like a tiny 1? Yeah, but that it's microscopic. 753 00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:59,320 Yeah. Anyway, we're meant to feel bad 754 00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:01,880 for these children. I mean, kids have problems, 755 00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:05,280 sure. But yeah, it is an odd, it's an 756 00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:08,600 odd ploy for sympathy. As we. 757 00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:12,760 Watch them all drive up in like incredibly fancy sports cars or 758 00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:15,000 literal limousine. You know when you see like, 759 00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:17,520 classic cars doing like the drives and like people are 760 00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:20,160 standing there like looking at how amazing the cars are, it's 761 00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:23,760 very MTV Cribs. But yeah, no one believes in 762 00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:24,840 them. Their troop leaders keep 763 00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:26,240 leaving. They don't even have their 764 00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:29,240 Wilderness Girl uniforms because no one's even bothered to take 765 00:36:29,240 --> 00:36:31,200 them shopping for. That, but also they don't 766 00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:34,160 believe in uniforms because they're that fucking like, yeah, 767 00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:36,000 privilege. They argue everything. 768 00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:38,800 So they're like, it's, you know, going to stop us from losing our 769 00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:41,320 identity. That's like me at the flare 770 00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:42,920 opening when I wouldn't put on my wristband. 771 00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:46,400 Yeah, you were. Refusing to do that. 772 00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:52,160 Didn't go with my outfit. So she takes them to get their 773 00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:56,080 troop uniforms, and Phyllis isn't happy because it's ugly. 774 00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:59,560 Oh, it's it's ugly, cocky, the material is terrible, the fits 775 00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:02,160 really bad. So she takes her uniform to her 776 00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:03,800 gay friend in. A panic running. 777 00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:10,000 Yeah, quite fun. And next we see she's at the 778 00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:13,400 troop leader meeting and she's had her look tailored. 779 00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:17,480 She's got a matching Cape. It's a fantastic look. 780 00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:18,240 Yeah, it looks. Great. 781 00:37:18,240 --> 00:37:20,920 Like, there's been some real attention to that outfit. 782 00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:23,240 Like, she looks spectacular. But also, I love it. 783 00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:25,480 She's late to this thing. She's. 784 00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:28,200 She's just started. She enters smoking. 785 00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:31,240 And then she literally as the person speaking, is like, 786 00:37:31,240 --> 00:37:33,880 talking over them and like getting in the way. 787 00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:35,440 And she wonders why they don't like her. 788 00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:40,120 Yeah. Yeah, she's already falling 789 00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:44,080 afoul of Velda Plunder, who is one of the other troop leaders 790 00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:45,200 now. Velda. 791 00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:50,000 She's bold, like coated. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 792 00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:53,240 Yeah, she's like real classic 80s villain. 793 00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:57,840 Yeah, and like, played by like a faceless actor. 794 00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:00,160 Like I don't know what she's been in before. 795 00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:02,040 She quit after this and moved on. 796 00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:04,520 No, she became a director and she's been working ever since. 797 00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:06,520 Oh yeah, fair play to her. Yeah, can't. 798 00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:10,640 Remember her name? So sorry to that woman, but but 799 00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:15,160 she's yeah, like she's kind of like the evil principal in like 800 00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:18,760 the you know how there was principals always hate kids. 801 00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:21,320 You're like, why are you this in this job? 802 00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:23,840 It's like she's also, yeah, she's a troop leader. 803 00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:26,000 She hates children, she hates privilege. 804 00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:28,840 She's ex army. She's tough as nails. 805 00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:31,160 She's got a real fucking chip on her shoulder. 806 00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:33,400 She runs that troop like it's the Marines. 807 00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:36,200 Which is how you should run a troop. 808 00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:40,280 They go on their first camp out unless you've got something 809 00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:43,800 between. Well, it well is this where we 810 00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:47,600 well we get a bit of a glimpse into home life as well for 811 00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:48,880 Phyllis? Yes. 812 00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:53,320 So, yeah, so the divorce storyline, which is actually the 813 00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:57,680 key storyline of this film, it's not actually about kids. 814 00:38:57,680 --> 00:39:01,160 It's not about Beverly Hills. It's not about, you know, 815 00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:04,600 wilderness brownies. No, it's about divorce, Yeah. 816 00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:07,760 And the impact of divorce. So and while she is with her 817 00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:11,640 daughter, she she looks out the window and notices that is a 818 00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:15,080 mighty fine piece of ass heading to the guest house, which is 819 00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:16,800 where he's living. Yeah, for that. 820 00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:23,320 He's seeing Lisa, who is hot, younger and basically, you know, 821 00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:25,400 he's having his midlife crisis and fucking her. 822 00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:27,520 So we're seeing her react to that. 823 00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:30,280 And it's basically like he's a shit, but he's a cute shit. 824 00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:33,000 She's, she's disgusting with her daughter. 825 00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:35,760 And essentially they're saying he's going through a phase at 826 00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:37,440 the moment. And that is how they've decided 827 00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:39,920 to land on this storyline, isn't it? 828 00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:42,360 It's like dad is just going off the rails. 829 00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:45,520 It's what happens and he's going through a phase. 830 00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:50,120 I hate men. I do like her with the 831 00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:53,640 binoculars at the window and she does like a comedy fall off the 832 00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:55,480 balcony. I liked it. 833 00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:57,600 Yeah, I liked it. But yeah. 834 00:39:57,760 --> 00:40:00,720 And again, like blame, that's the first thing we should do is 835 00:40:00,720 --> 00:40:02,480 blame the other woman. Oh my God. 836 00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:06,800 Yeah, yeah, we should belittle her fake tits. 837 00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:08,440 Yeah, all of that happens. I. 838 00:40:08,720 --> 00:40:10,200 Mean. That's just like the rules of 839 00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:12,440 feminism. I love the other woman though. 840 00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:16,040 Even though she's just going into a relationship with a man 841 00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:18,840 that's getting a divorce. So obviously she's the villain 842 00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:24,240 of this storyline and not him. She's great though. 843 00:40:24,240 --> 00:40:25,000 She's. Great. 844 00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:25,960 She does. Brilliant. 845 00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:27,840 Yeah. And she's she's just a punch bag 846 00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:31,360 for the entire movie. Totally, she's giving what's her 847 00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:33,800 face from mannequin. Oh, Roxy. 848 00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:35,760 She's giving Roxy. Yeah, very Roxy. 849 00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:40,160 OK, then we've got the first camp out, so Phyllis takes the 850 00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:43,200 girls camping. It's everything's kind of done 851 00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:44,440 for them. The girls don't really know what 852 00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:46,240 they're doing. Why are we here? 853 00:40:46,240 --> 00:40:48,640 They're reading magazines and then it starts to rain. 854 00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:54,320 And so they panic and go to the Beverly Hills Hotel. 855 00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:56,960 Yeah, And I mean, I guess I'll give it. 856 00:40:56,960 --> 00:40:59,320 I'll give it credit here. This is where you're seeing that 857 00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:03,600 Shelly is, like a good comedy actress, like, really physically 858 00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:05,560 throwing herself into it. Like when she's wearing the 859 00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:08,080 white fur and it's raining and she's trying to save the fondue, 860 00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:11,200 She's like, covered in mud. She, like, resembles a wet dog 861 00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:13,200 by the end of it. And you're like, wow, actually, 862 00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:15,040 she's skilled at this. Yes. 863 00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:19,120 So she takes them to the hotel. They have like a cute time 864 00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:23,160 together, but Velda's not happy about this and she's like, you 865 00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:25,120 need to quit. You're not cut out for this. 866 00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:26,680 You can't just take them to the hotel. 867 00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:29,240 She hates these rich bitches, basically. 868 00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:36,680 But Phyllis is undeterred. And she's going to get these 869 00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:39,520 girls some merit badges, and she comes up. 870 00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:41,040 And she just wants to buy them, doesn't. 871 00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:43,040 She wants to buy them. Where do I buy those? 872 00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:47,040 She's going to get those girls merit badges. 873 00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:49,240 So she customizes her own and takes. 874 00:41:49,240 --> 00:41:52,080 And then we get a montage of the girls earning merit badges for 875 00:41:52,080 --> 00:42:01,000 things like jewelry appraisal, like styling, learning how to do 876 00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:03,000 the twist. Like there's a dance, there's 877 00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:05,800 like a. Whole montage and then they all 878 00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:08,120 get like a record amount of badges, don't they? 879 00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:11,160 It's like, this is where I started getting a bit bored. 880 00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:16,680 I wrote down a time code. I think it was 43 minutes in, 881 00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:20,200 43.21 seconds in. And it was the same with the 882 00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:21,560 first time around. I was watching. 883 00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:25,520 I was like, I am just bored. I want the tropes. 884 00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:28,560 Where are the tropes? She should not be continuing 885 00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:31,160 being high flying in these comedies. 886 00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:35,360 What would have happened by now is she would have been so good 887 00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:37,600 at like doing them. It's like, oh, you've done so 888 00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:41,360 great, we're sending you to these girls and this is where 889 00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:44,640 you need to go or something like that, which would basically 890 00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:49,240 strip her of all of her status. Yeah, or she loses all her money 891 00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:51,880 and so she has to. Now we're seeing her without any 892 00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:53,320 means. And how is she going to cope 893 00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:55,600 with that? Just like having to deal with 894 00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:58,520 the other side, like, and that's normally what would happen in 895 00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:00,480 these films. And I think that's something I 896 00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:03,200 kind of enjoy. It's like just a trope you feel 897 00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:06,120 with do you know what I mean? And it's, and then it's just 898 00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:10,480 sort of oh, how does the like super privileged, super like 899 00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:13,760 vacuous woman deal in the real world with real kids that aren't 900 00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:17,840 going to be like hanging off her every word and like, and they 901 00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:19,160 just don't do that. No. 902 00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:21,960 And so therefore, it's it's a bit like that review said that 903 00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:24,280 the thing I get why it's just a bit one note because it's 904 00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:27,640 already one note. But there's like, what is the 905 00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:29,800 jeopardy? The jeopardy of this film is 906 00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:31,320 what's going on with her husband. 907 00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:34,880 That's it. Who cares? 908 00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:36,800 I'm sorry, I think it's whether or not they're going to be able 909 00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:37,560 to sell 1000. Cookies. 910 00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:40,840 Oh, OK, sorry. That is a high stakes plot 911 00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:42,760 point. Because then we also get we get 912 00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:46,720 like another bit where they go back and it's with Phyllis and 913 00:43:46,720 --> 00:43:51,640 her daughter and another shot of Lisa going in a car and it's 914 00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:54,360 like, I guess he's divorcing both of us. 915 00:43:57,440 --> 00:44:00,920 It's like the whole the whole heart of these young women and 916 00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:03,640 these women that she's leading is just the sadness of dads 917 00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:05,840 leaving us. Yeah, yeah. 918 00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:08,280 It's like one of those early, well, it's not even that it's 919 00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:10,520 89. Like, there's been a lot of 920 00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:13,880 media about divorce by this point, but yeah, it doesn't 921 00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:16,480 quite, it hasn't quite figured out like there could be a 922 00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:20,080 feminist angle to all of this. Well, this is something I when I 923 00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:22,360 was struggling at the boredom point about like is this camp? 924 00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:26,200 I like you know, asked googled it like to try and say like an 925 00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:30,160 argument and then like some AI answer came saying it was it was 926 00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:36,120 praised for its feminist values. I was like what the fuck are the 927 00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:38,320 feminist values? I've got thoughts about that. 928 00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:40,560 OK, Yeah, we'll get there. We'll get there. 929 00:44:40,560 --> 00:44:42,680 We'll get to it. But yeah, it's an interesting 930 00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:44,960 era, isn't it, for divorce. I feel like there were lots of, 931 00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:48,240 like, these kind of films in the 80s and early 90s where like, 932 00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:50,760 young kids as part of their storyline. 933 00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:53,920 It's like, how do we save mum and dad's marriage? 934 00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:56,480 It's like, listen up, kids. Divorce is a good thing. 935 00:44:56,480 --> 00:44:58,240 Yeah. Where did where? 936 00:44:58,240 --> 00:45:01,000 Did everyone realize that actually divorce is the best 937 00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:03,480 option? Well, he says it in this movie, 938 00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:05,560 doesn't he? He's like, And you'll be a lot 939 00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:08,720 less neurotic if you've got happily divorced parents instead 940 00:45:08,720 --> 00:45:11,840 of unhappily married ones. Which is actually true. 941 00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:13,600 Yeah, it is actually true. Yeah. 942 00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:15,240 Yeah. I mean, the rest of the plot 943 00:45:15,240 --> 00:45:16,680 does just progress how you think. 944 00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:18,880 The girls are kind of presented with obstacles. 945 00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:20,560 Will they overcome them or will they not? 946 00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:24,880 The big one though, as you just said though, is they need to 947 00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:26,080 sell. Well, it's not Girl Scouts, 948 00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:29,560 because Girl Scouts did did not want to align themselves with 949 00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:32,160 this movie. The Wilderness Girl cookies. 950 00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:36,760 So in order to attend the annual Wilderness girl Jamboree for 951 00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:41,200 plot reasons, they have to sell 1000 boxes of cookies. 952 00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:44,920 So it's just like, what plot reason can there be to make this 953 00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:47,000 other plot thing happen? Who cares? 954 00:45:47,040 --> 00:45:50,280 But they, I mean, they're struggling to sell the cookies. 955 00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:51,680 Well, I mean, they're not really, are they? 956 00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:53,760 Because Stephanie Beecham, when she does pipe head, she's 957 00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:56,240 literally like, why don't we just buy all of the cookie 958 00:45:56,240 --> 00:45:58,400 boxes, which is just what they could do. 959 00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:01,960 Yeah. It's like, she's like, why are 960 00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:03,920 we doing this? Stephanie Beecham is us. 961 00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:05,520 Yeah. She's like, why are we going 962 00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:07,360 through all of this? Like we could literally just buy 963 00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:09,720 them all now and then we can just have a lovely evening. 964 00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:17,120 No, instead they do a cookie song on the street which I'm 965 00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:19,360 rodeo Dr. This. Is what I will say I started to 966 00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:21,200 warm up again to the film when I really. 967 00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:24,680 Yeah, because it reminded me of which came after Sister Act 2, 968 00:46:24,680 --> 00:46:27,320 back in the habit. When they do, they're like big. 969 00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:30,400 They're singing on the streets, trying to make money and stuff. 970 00:46:38,680 --> 00:46:39,880 They might be the first sister act. 971 00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:40,760 Oh. No. 972 00:46:41,160 --> 00:46:44,680 And out around the world. And she does her James Brown and 973 00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:46,960 they get the community in and they're performing on the stage. 974 00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:49,280 But no. So we have this like young, the 975 00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:52,520 young firecracker black girl, Yeah, in a very cheap Tina 976 00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:54,280 Turner wig. And they're singing the cookie 977 00:46:54,280 --> 00:46:57,520 song and. The crowd is going wild. 978 00:46:57,520 --> 00:46:59,440 And The thing is, they've obviously been able to shut down 979 00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:01,640 Rodeo Dr. or wherever it is because they've got that much 980 00:47:01,640 --> 00:47:04,360 fucking money. And again, the whole setup of 981 00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:06,920 putting that on would have been more than what the cookies cost. 982 00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:09,240 But it doesn't matter. No, they will say selling 983 00:47:09,240 --> 00:47:10,920 cigarettes. They're not just selling 984 00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:12,000 cookies. They go around restaurants, 985 00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:14,120 they're selling cookies. Cigarettes, they're selling. 986 00:47:14,520 --> 00:47:15,600 I was like, that's quite. Calm. 987 00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:18,000 That's funny. Phyllis always has a cigarette, 988 00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:19,640 which I love. In a holder. 989 00:47:20,680 --> 00:47:24,600 You don't get that anymore. And then Phyllis hosts a big 990 00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:27,200 star-studded gala and fashion show. 991 00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:30,160 And this is where they sell 4000 boxes of cookies. 992 00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:32,280 Because I know, listener, you're wondering how many cookies? 993 00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:34,960 They and again, putting on that fucking fashion show. 994 00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:38,840 I mean the amount of money that has been spent on this sanity 995 00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:39,960 project. Cookies. 996 00:47:40,080 --> 00:47:41,200 Yeah, it's. Like. 997 00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:47,880 There's a lot of 80s celeb cameos here, but yeah, they've 998 00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:49,840 sold enough cookies to qualify for the Jamboree. 999 00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:52,440 Thank God I. Know because it's you were 1000 00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:54,520 worried a side note to the fashion show. 1001 00:47:54,520 --> 00:47:57,880 I was kind of into it. I don't think I've really seen 1002 00:47:57,880 --> 00:48:01,000 like khaki and silver lame together when I was like, that's 1003 00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:03,480 quite maybe that's like a forward fashion forward trend 1004 00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:06,400 alert. Yeah, the gold Lemay Cape is 1005 00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:08,080 very nice. Yeah, Yeah. 1006 00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:11,440 And then later in that night, she's got the like blue and pink 1007 00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:15,600 corset top, which kind of looks like the. 1008 00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:17,440 Trans flag. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 1009 00:48:17,520 --> 00:48:19,720 It's nice. She does another fall. 1010 00:48:19,720 --> 00:48:24,120 She falls into a fountain. She this woman falls a lot. 1011 00:48:24,120 --> 00:48:26,960 She's firing herself into it. But yeah, she does a big a big 1012 00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:29,240 gala because they've sold over 4000 things. 1013 00:48:29,240 --> 00:48:33,800 So they're another big party to celebrate handing over, excuse 1014 00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:37,040 me, handing over the check. Oh yeah, I'm mashing up the 2 1015 00:48:37,040 --> 00:48:39,120 girls. They basically they've smashed 1016 00:48:39,720 --> 00:48:41,760 all wilderness girl records ever. 1017 00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:45,160 How have they done that? Meanwhile the other fucking 1018 00:48:45,160 --> 00:48:48,880 wilderness girls are out there doing it the real way, door to 1019 00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:50,440 door. Yeah, they might be cheating. 1020 00:48:50,440 --> 00:48:53,120 They might be like going on different people's turfs and 1021 00:48:53,120 --> 00:48:57,840 territories, you know, sorry, but they are out there hustling 1022 00:48:57,840 --> 00:49:01,920 and grinding. Meanwhile, the Beverly Hills 1023 00:49:02,720 --> 00:49:06,320 troops, they are absolutely backed by this endless cash 1024 00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:09,280 flow, money making machine. Of course they're going to sell 1025 00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:12,480 everything. This is privilege at its finest, 1026 00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:14,040 people. Yeah, I don't. 1027 00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:19,160 I'm not buying the They overcame adversity and use their creative 1028 00:49:19,160 --> 00:49:23,520 ingenuity and like gumption to really do something special. 1029 00:49:23,520 --> 00:49:25,400 No, they've just been handed it on a plate. 1030 00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:29,320 And then even even at this. And meanwhile as well, the 1031 00:49:29,320 --> 00:49:32,280 baddie has sent one of her sidekicks to, like, spy on them, 1032 00:49:32,280 --> 00:49:34,080 hasn't she? But she's even getting seduced 1033 00:49:34,080 --> 00:49:36,400 by the Beverly Hills lifestyle. Why wouldn't you? 1034 00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:38,120 Why wouldn't you want to just be her friend? 1035 00:49:38,120 --> 00:49:39,920 Yeah. And the bit I did like with 1036 00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:42,400 that, with those Stephanie Beecham, like she's getting, 1037 00:49:44,080 --> 00:49:47,120 she's getting like ideas for her next saucy escapade, doesn't 1038 00:49:47,120 --> 00:49:48,520 she? She's got a dictaphone out. 1039 00:49:48,560 --> 00:49:50,400 Oh, yeah. It's like it looks like a good 1040 00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:53,920 party, but really it's a black tie jungle and. 1041 00:49:54,080 --> 00:49:56,080 Oh, I wrote. I'm like why does it say black 1042 00:49:56,080 --> 00:49:58,200 tie jungle in my? Yeah, that's what she so she's 1043 00:49:58,240 --> 00:50:00,080 like. And again, I'm like, I want to 1044 00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:03,480 go to her story. Yeah, because I want to see her 1045 00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:05,520 struggles to write her next erotic thriller. 1046 00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:08,560 Because did you see what one of her books was called Malibu 1047 00:50:08,560 --> 00:50:12,440 Bitch when she did her signing? And I'm like, why are we not 1048 00:50:12,440 --> 00:50:14,640 focusing on Stephanie? Let me beat him in this movie. 1049 00:50:14,640 --> 00:50:16,800 I just want to know. I don't care about these fucking 1050 00:50:16,800 --> 00:50:19,200 Girl Scouts. Get me to her. 1051 00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:22,840 She's out there putting in the research, fucking around Beverly 1052 00:50:22,840 --> 00:50:24,400 Hills and writing all of these books. 1053 00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:28,240 A. Malibu bitch, it's so good. 1054 00:50:28,440 --> 00:50:31,280 But if you can't, if you can't tell already, essentially what 1055 00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:34,440 is happening now is a lot of yadda yadda yadda yadda yadda 1056 00:50:34,680 --> 00:50:37,040 yadda. Like we are like out yadda ring 1057 00:50:37,040 --> 00:50:39,400 ourselves now. Something I did find funny 1058 00:50:39,400 --> 00:50:42,040 though. So all of this shit goes on, but 1059 00:50:42,040 --> 00:50:45,680 essentially what is happening is we are getting Phyllis back with 1060 00:50:45,680 --> 00:50:48,160 Fred, her husband, and they're having a heart to heart at the 1061 00:50:48,160 --> 00:50:51,080 party. And I'm like, he's gay here 1062 00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:54,120 because he's like, there's something different about you. 1063 00:50:54,440 --> 00:50:56,520 I don't know. There's something a bit softer. 1064 00:50:56,520 --> 00:50:58,800 And I'm like, is he referring to her softer beat? 1065 00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:01,800 Because she's got like a little, you know, baby blue eyeshadow. 1066 00:51:01,840 --> 00:51:03,400 She's like looking a lot less harsh. 1067 00:51:03,400 --> 00:51:06,120 And I'm like, he's just commenting on her makeup while 1068 00:51:06,120 --> 00:51:13,480 she's in the trans flag dress. He's like, yeah, he's proud of 1069 00:51:13,480 --> 00:51:15,920 her because he can see that. Like, she's really committing to 1070 00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:17,280 something. She's working hard. 1071 00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:18,840 And then she's coming alive with that. 1072 00:51:18,840 --> 00:51:20,280 She's like, Oh my God, it's happening. 1073 00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:22,000 And he's like, I want, you know, there's something I wanted to 1074 00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:23,880 talk to you about. Yeah, and she thinks they're 1075 00:51:23,880 --> 00:51:26,960 going to get back together. And he says he wants joint 1076 00:51:26,960 --> 00:51:29,640 custody of their daughter. Oh my God. 1077 00:51:29,640 --> 00:51:31,400 Bombshell. Yeah, that's when she falls on 1078 00:51:31,400 --> 00:51:34,120 the fountain. Yeah, it's very Carrie Bradshaw, 1079 00:51:34,120 --> 00:51:36,840 very Sex in the City. Like, oh, I've something 1080 00:51:36,840 --> 00:51:38,880 embarrassing has happened to me, and then I fall. 1081 00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:45,200 You just don't get it. So, yeah. 1082 00:51:45,200 --> 00:51:47,280 So that that's like a key plot point, yeah. 1083 00:51:48,240 --> 00:51:50,720 She then goes on a Bender with Evion water. 1084 00:51:51,880 --> 00:51:56,920 It's hard to imagine a time when Evion was considered that fancy. 1085 00:51:56,920 --> 00:51:58,240 Do you know what I mean? It's. 1086 00:52:00,600 --> 00:52:03,880 Like, yeah, like she's got a crate of evion and it's like, 1087 00:52:04,240 --> 00:52:06,440 right. Yeah, there's like 30 empty 1088 00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:08,360 bottles of Evion lying around her bedroom. 1089 00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:10,480 Did you find that funny? Not really, no. 1090 00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:12,760 Because I'm like, that's the problem with it, isn't it? 1091 00:52:12,760 --> 00:52:15,400 Because it's like, and I think they quote someone like like 1092 00:52:15,400 --> 00:52:17,960 pass me another bottle and it's like, that's a quote from a 1093 00:52:17,960 --> 00:52:19,240 film. I can't remember what the quote 1094 00:52:19,240 --> 00:52:22,200 is, but it's just. Didn't quite work, but it's also 1095 00:52:22,200 --> 00:52:23,880 like it's. So basically if you've not 1096 00:52:23,880 --> 00:52:27,160 watched it, she's rather than drinking alcohol, she's just 1097 00:52:27,160 --> 00:52:29,840 there's empty everyone bottles all over her bedroom. 1098 00:52:29,840 --> 00:52:32,920 She's she's, you know, she's absolutely freaking out and 1099 00:52:32,920 --> 00:52:34,640 she's having a meltdown. She's drinking everyone. 1100 00:52:34,640 --> 00:52:37,520 But like, yeah, it's just like. It's everyone. 1101 00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:41,720 It's kind of, it's like, OK, if you think about it as a kids 1102 00:52:41,720 --> 00:52:44,480 movie, like that's a funny joke for a kids movie, but you're is 1103 00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:46,280 this a kids movie? That's the thing that I don't 1104 00:52:46,280 --> 00:52:49,600 really understand. Velda's still bullying her. 1105 00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:52,480 This is also why she's gone on this Bender because she's 1106 00:52:53,240 --> 00:52:55,000 Velda's like, you should quit. You suck. 1107 00:52:56,880 --> 00:53:00,240 I would so be here for those two had like a lesbian relationship. 1108 00:53:00,240 --> 00:53:01,800 Imagine that's how this movie ended. 1109 00:53:01,800 --> 00:53:04,920 Because it's like power play sex games, isn't it really? 1110 00:53:05,320 --> 00:53:07,680 Because basically what's happened is you've got your bull 1111 00:53:07,680 --> 00:53:12,360 dyke leader, she's in charge, runs the show, tight ship. 1112 00:53:12,560 --> 00:53:15,840 Then we've got this like wild, naughty, privileged woman 1113 00:53:15,840 --> 00:53:17,080 coming. Hello, Princess. 1114 00:53:17,080 --> 00:53:19,920 Yeah, like shaking things up and she doesn't like it, but at the 1115 00:53:19,920 --> 00:53:22,720 same time she's excited by the way she's pushing her buttons. 1116 00:53:23,960 --> 00:53:27,880 Yeah, it's not that, though. That's how I would recast it and 1117 00:53:27,880 --> 00:53:31,880 remake it that. Would be so much better because 1118 00:53:31,880 --> 00:53:33,040 you're about to find out how this ends. 1119 00:53:33,040 --> 00:53:35,080 So we cut to the like final set piece. 1120 00:53:35,080 --> 00:53:37,520 We're at the Jamboree, the annual Jamboree, and it's like 1121 00:53:37,520 --> 00:53:42,280 an outdoor cross country challenge for all of the girls. 1122 00:53:43,160 --> 00:53:44,560 Yeah, orienteering. Yeah. 1123 00:53:44,760 --> 00:53:48,920 The evil Red Feather Troop. They trick Troop Beverly Hills, 1124 00:53:50,240 --> 00:53:53,160 misdirecting them into a snake infested swamp. 1125 00:53:53,320 --> 00:53:55,600 Well, snake infested, there's a snake. 1126 00:53:55,600 --> 00:53:59,080 A snake. Luckily A skunk scares them into 1127 00:53:59,080 --> 00:54:01,920 running through a shortcut and they end up qualifying. 1128 00:54:01,920 --> 00:54:04,320 First backfires on the red feathers. 1129 00:54:04,560 --> 00:54:08,200 Then the next day Velda cheats again. 1130 00:54:09,200 --> 00:54:11,640 They cross a rope bridge and then she cuts it behind her so 1131 00:54:11,640 --> 00:54:15,280 that Troop Beverly Hills can't get across and so. 1132 00:54:16,120 --> 00:54:18,960 Oh, and then and then Velda tries to take them on a shortcut 1133 00:54:19,000 --> 00:54:21,720 and ends up falling and breaking her ankle. 1134 00:54:21,800 --> 00:54:24,040 Yeah, and then her daughter leaves her. 1135 00:54:24,320 --> 00:54:25,960 But she would do. You'd just be like, oh, fuck 1136 00:54:25,960 --> 00:54:27,360 you, wouldn't you? We're gonna win. 1137 00:54:27,440 --> 00:54:30,120 Yeah, So, yeah, because. And that's just really 1138 00:54:30,120 --> 00:54:32,400 demonstrating, like, how they don't really have any team 1139 00:54:32,400 --> 00:54:34,880 spirit or camaraderie, do they? They're just, like, willing to 1140 00:54:34,880 --> 00:54:38,760 abandon their own mother in the woods with a broken ankle. 1141 00:54:39,480 --> 00:54:43,400 But the broken bridge doesn't stop Troop Beverly Hills. 1142 00:54:43,440 --> 00:54:44,880 Shelley gets the bridge repaired. 1143 00:54:44,880 --> 00:54:48,200 She has to walk across a log. Yeah. 1144 00:54:48,200 --> 00:54:50,680 So this is the big set piece of the movie. 1145 00:54:50,720 --> 00:54:53,880 Everyone. The final like sort of final 1146 00:54:53,880 --> 00:54:57,640 moment of the film is there's a log across a bit of a like. 1147 00:54:57,640 --> 00:55:00,280 A ravine. Ravine and it's like she's 1148 00:55:00,280 --> 00:55:03,720 scared of heights and they they call back to her falling out of 1149 00:55:04,120 --> 00:55:06,640 a window earlier but like we really don't get that she's 1150 00:55:06,640 --> 00:55:08,320 scared of heights but no, it's the big thing. 1151 00:55:08,440 --> 00:55:11,160 She's scared of heights. Her daughter who's a gymnast 1152 00:55:11,160 --> 00:55:13,840 wants to do it and is ready to take on the balance beam. 1153 00:55:13,840 --> 00:55:17,160 She's like no, no, no, I'll do it and she's starting to walk 1154 00:55:17,160 --> 00:55:20,320 over this this log and then it gets a bit scary. 1155 00:55:20,640 --> 00:55:23,280 She nearly falls and then her daughter comes to rescue her 1156 00:55:23,280 --> 00:55:27,440 daughter gets her foot stuck and then they basically just walk 1157 00:55:27,440 --> 00:55:28,560 over. I don't even know why I'm 1158 00:55:28,560 --> 00:55:30,880 dragging that out. They walk over a fucking log 1159 00:55:30,880 --> 00:55:34,600 everyone. It's low stakes. 1160 00:55:35,200 --> 00:55:39,040 They fix the bridge. They find Velda. 1161 00:55:39,360 --> 00:55:42,880 And this is where this is where a line that I liked because 1162 00:55:42,880 --> 00:55:45,600 they're like, should we help Velda or should we just win? 1163 00:55:45,840 --> 00:55:48,960 And then because Phyllis has learnt about being a wilderness 1164 00:55:48,960 --> 00:55:51,360 girl is actually about asking responsibly to the kids, 1165 00:55:51,360 --> 00:55:52,800 etcetera. What should we do? 1166 00:55:53,200 --> 00:55:56,200 So she offers up. Should we leave her hair to be 1167 00:55:56,200 --> 00:55:58,040 toyed with? Lonely mounted men? 1168 00:56:01,000 --> 00:56:04,960 All right, Phyllis. To be raped by Lonely Mountain 1169 00:56:04,960 --> 00:56:07,760 it that would not be the first thing I would assume would be 1170 00:56:07,760 --> 00:56:09,440 happening in this situation, by the way. 1171 00:56:09,440 --> 00:56:12,640 Also the snakes, the mountain men of what? 1172 00:56:12,640 --> 00:56:18,040 Beverly Hills of LA. But then they decide they're 1173 00:56:18,040 --> 00:56:19,800 going to save her. Yes. 1174 00:56:19,960 --> 00:56:21,520 So they drag her through the woods. 1175 00:56:21,760 --> 00:56:25,880 The red feathers actually finish first, and they're like, woo, we 1176 00:56:25,880 --> 00:56:28,400 won. But because they don't have a 1177 00:56:28,400 --> 00:56:31,480 troop leader with them, they actually haven't finished. 1178 00:56:31,960 --> 00:56:35,120 And so then here comes Troop Beverly Hills over the finish 1179 00:56:35,120 --> 00:56:39,480 line, taking victory. The girls did it. 1180 00:56:40,360 --> 00:56:42,080 I bet you didn't think they could Listeners. 1181 00:56:42,480 --> 00:56:45,760 But more importantly. More importantly than that. 1182 00:56:45,760 --> 00:56:50,240 Fred's there. Freddy's there and wow, he is so 1183 00:56:50,240 --> 00:56:54,840 impressed with how much Phyllis has changed that he agrees to 1184 00:56:54,840 --> 00:57:00,480 take her back. And of course, she's willingly 1185 00:57:00,480 --> 00:57:04,240 open armed, like, oh, I'm so glad I've made you happy. 1186 00:57:05,200 --> 00:57:08,160 I'm so glad I was able to change sufficiently for you. 1187 00:57:08,560 --> 00:57:10,120 Yeah. And then that's it. 1188 00:57:10,120 --> 00:57:14,680 The end. Yeah, I mean, I wrote down about 1189 00:57:14,680 --> 00:57:18,640 halfway through like, she better not end up with this fucking 1190 00:57:18,760 --> 00:57:21,800 man. Yeah, because there was a moment 1191 00:57:21,800 --> 00:57:25,120 where she was like watching an advert of him and he, she's 1192 00:57:25,120 --> 00:57:26,760 like, oh, he's such a shit, but he's a cute shit. 1193 00:57:27,240 --> 00:57:31,360 Like this better not be setting up them getting back together. 1194 00:57:33,440 --> 00:57:36,240 It's very disappointing. Very disappointing because, 1195 00:57:36,240 --> 00:57:39,520 again, like, you know, I was saying about how desperate I was 1196 00:57:39,520 --> 00:57:42,600 for her to, like, fall off her status and then not to be a big 1197 00:57:42,600 --> 00:57:44,520 thruster. That didn't happen. 1198 00:57:44,520 --> 00:57:46,880 But I was like, at least we can rely on the fact that she's 1199 00:57:46,880 --> 00:57:48,760 going to meet someone else. And that's why I was like that 1200 00:57:48,760 --> 00:57:50,000 director guy. It's going to be him. 1201 00:57:50,000 --> 00:57:51,760 He's good looking. He's a bit different to her. 1202 00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:54,120 She's going to find someone. Yeah, but no. 1203 00:57:54,400 --> 00:57:56,280 I didn't need her to meet someone else and it hadn't 1204 00:57:56,280 --> 00:57:58,160 occurred to me. The director thing I but I 1205 00:57:58,160 --> 00:58:00,800 thought the story was going to be she finds her strength and 1206 00:58:00,800 --> 00:58:02,000 independence. Yeah, and just. 1207 00:58:02,040 --> 00:58:03,920 And and her own power and is like. 1208 00:58:04,240 --> 00:58:05,840 So and you know, and then. He's all of. 1209 00:58:05,880 --> 00:58:08,640 These rich bitch kids have learned well, what have they 1210 00:58:08,640 --> 00:58:10,080 learned? They've learned nothing. 1211 00:58:10,680 --> 00:58:13,440 Privilege wins. Money wins is what we've learned 1212 00:58:13,480 --> 00:58:15,120 from the situation. Maybe a bit of sisterhood. 1213 00:58:16,120 --> 00:58:18,960 Yeah, maybe a bit, yeah, But yeah. 1214 00:58:19,520 --> 00:58:20,920 And so that's what they've learned. 1215 00:58:21,080 --> 00:58:24,520 And in doing this as well, she's also learned I don't need him. 1216 00:58:24,880 --> 00:58:26,640 And actually he's been holding me back. 1217 00:58:27,200 --> 00:58:29,480 And if I'm going to shop, it's because I want to shop and it's 1218 00:58:29,520 --> 00:58:31,920 I'm going to have a fabulous career and. 1219 00:58:32,200 --> 00:58:36,240 Yeah, like I expected him to come crawling back and by that 1220 00:58:36,240 --> 00:58:39,240 point for her to have been like, oh, actually fuck you. 1221 00:58:39,560 --> 00:58:41,800 Yeah, you suck. That would have just been very 1222 00:58:41,800 --> 00:58:44,880 satisfying and also predictable. I wanted. 1223 00:58:44,880 --> 00:58:48,840 That it's the most predictable thing, and yet somehow it does 1224 00:58:48,840 --> 00:58:53,960 something even worse, which is yeah, they get back together. 1225 00:58:54,040 --> 00:58:56,720 So basically he's just been fucking Lisa. 1226 00:58:56,720 --> 00:58:59,240 Yeah. And having a bit of a wobble, 1227 00:58:59,400 --> 00:59:02,840 Yeah. And leaving her with the kids 1228 00:59:02,840 --> 00:59:05,120 and, like, just going off doing his own thing. 1229 00:59:05,120 --> 00:59:08,760 And then when he's had enough of Lisa, he just comes back and 1230 00:59:08,760 --> 00:59:10,680 she's just like, oh, thank God you're back. 1231 00:59:10,720 --> 00:59:13,520 And our family is back together. It feels. 1232 00:59:14,040 --> 00:59:17,840 The lesson is, ladies, if you're listening, if he doesn't love 1233 00:59:17,840 --> 00:59:20,920 you, just work on yourself. Reductive. 1234 00:59:21,680 --> 00:59:24,200 And until he does, yeah, until he does, just keep trying to 1235 00:59:24,200 --> 00:59:25,120 change yourself to. Please. 1236 00:59:25,120 --> 00:59:27,840 And again, it really reminded me of it reminded me of Bette 1237 00:59:27,840 --> 00:59:30,040 Midler in the First Wives Club because that's essentially what 1238 00:59:30,040 --> 00:59:33,280 happens to her in it as well. Now again, you're just like, no. 1239 00:59:33,600 --> 00:59:35,000 Yes, you're so right. There's. 1240 00:59:35,000 --> 00:59:38,720 More than one person out there that hold. 1241 00:59:38,720 --> 00:59:40,280 There's one person for me. Bullshit. 1242 00:59:40,280 --> 00:59:41,160 No. Yeah. 1243 00:59:41,240 --> 00:59:43,480 You have to lay it low and spread it wide. 1244 00:59:43,480 --> 00:59:48,520 There's more out there for you. Get it, get it, get it. 1245 00:59:49,240 --> 00:59:52,440 Fuck around, hang out more with your mates. 1246 00:59:52,760 --> 00:59:56,160 She is like the good time girl she is going around Beverly 1247 00:59:56,160 --> 01:00:00,680 Hills a fucking everyone writing about these sordid escapades. 1248 01:00:01,320 --> 01:00:03,760 Go buy all of the fucking cookies. 1249 01:00:04,000 --> 01:00:05,680 Let the kids hang out in a hotel. 1250 01:00:05,680 --> 01:00:09,520 And next to Miami, bitch, yes. Become Miami bitch. 1251 01:00:09,520 --> 01:00:13,520 Go to Miami. Lay it Low and Spread it Wide 1252 01:00:13,840 --> 01:00:15,680 could be the title of My Autobiography. 1253 01:00:15,680 --> 01:00:18,640 It's so good. Yeah. 1254 01:00:18,680 --> 01:00:23,000 It is very disappointing. I mean, and the the whole 1255 01:00:23,000 --> 01:00:27,120 privilege of this movie. Yeah, it's it is like, it is a 1256 01:00:27,120 --> 01:00:29,200 choice to try and make me care about these kids. 1257 01:00:29,480 --> 01:00:36,280 That said, I think this movie is in like a lineage of like your 1258 01:00:36,280 --> 01:00:38,920 bimbos. It's got a bit of Romeo and 1259 01:00:38,920 --> 01:00:41,760 Michelle. It's got a bit of of and it's 1260 01:00:41,760 --> 01:00:44,680 got a lot of Legally Blonde. Yes. 1261 01:00:45,040 --> 01:00:46,960 You got into Harvard Law? What? 1262 01:00:48,360 --> 01:00:51,760 Like it's hard, but I guess the. Point of this movie is not that 1263 01:00:51,760 --> 01:00:54,600 like her commercialism is bad. Yes almost. 1264 01:00:55,000 --> 01:00:57,720 And I mean there is a argument to be made about commercialism. 1265 01:00:57,760 --> 01:01:00,000 Well, again, she's she's eccentric. 1266 01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:02,280 Yeah. Like, she's definitely like, not 1267 01:01:02,280 --> 01:01:04,160 your run-of-the-mill type of person. 1268 01:01:04,160 --> 01:01:06,640 And with all of those incest. Incest. 1269 01:01:07,400 --> 01:01:11,480 In incest eccentricity. Yeah, She doesn't change who she 1270 01:01:11,480 --> 01:01:13,920 is at any point. Yeah, she sticks true to who she 1271 01:01:13,920 --> 01:01:15,200 is. And if that is because she's too 1272 01:01:15,200 --> 01:01:19,160 fancy and too kind of like kooky dooky with all of her money, she 1273 01:01:19,160 --> 01:01:20,440 doesn't change. Yeah. 1274 01:01:20,600 --> 01:01:23,840 And so that's kind of the the feminist perspective, I would 1275 01:01:23,840 --> 01:01:30,120 say on this, if you like squint. But in Legally Blonde, like the 1276 01:01:30,120 --> 01:01:33,400 same thing happens where her shitty boyfriend comes crawling 1277 01:01:33,400 --> 01:01:36,440 back but she's like fuck you I don't need to. 1278 01:01:36,520 --> 01:01:39,400 And like, she's learned her own value and her own self worth and 1279 01:01:39,400 --> 01:01:40,960 that's. Also illegally blonde. 1280 01:01:41,240 --> 01:01:47,600 Yeah, she does have like she she does excel and is excellent 1281 01:01:47,680 --> 01:01:51,280 within her job while maintaining her fabulous Beverly Hills. 1282 01:01:51,280 --> 01:01:53,920 So there is that. It's like an added layer. 1283 01:01:54,040 --> 01:01:55,600 Well. You have to, you have to take, 1284 01:01:55,720 --> 01:01:58,440 you have to believe this movie when it says that them winning 1285 01:01:58,440 --> 01:02:01,880 the Jamboree is her excelling and her walk across that log is 1286 01:02:01,880 --> 01:02:05,280 excelling and her taking them for jewelry appraisals is 1287 01:02:05,280 --> 01:02:07,360 excelling. You have to believe that 1288 01:02:07,840 --> 01:02:10,040 narrative because it is trying to. 1289 01:02:10,160 --> 01:02:14,160 I think a movie is trying to say, like, do you? 1290 01:02:14,720 --> 01:02:16,080 It's great. Yeah. 1291 01:02:16,680 --> 01:02:21,400 Like, don't be ashamed of, I don't even want to say like 1292 01:02:21,400 --> 01:02:25,040 feminine things because it's like such a weird version of 1293 01:02:25,040 --> 01:02:27,560 femininity. And it's like so hyper and like 1294 01:02:27,560 --> 01:02:31,480 it's kind of bimbo, but it's like, you know, it's like be a 1295 01:02:31,480 --> 01:02:32,320 bimbo. It's cool. 1296 01:02:32,320 --> 01:02:33,360 Be rich. Be you. 1297 01:02:33,480 --> 01:02:35,640 Yeah. Like it. 1298 01:02:35,640 --> 01:02:38,040 Because it's just like we are so rich. 1299 01:02:38,520 --> 01:02:42,040 We can do whatever we want, when we want to, how we want to. 1300 01:02:42,040 --> 01:02:46,680 Like, you know, like what's the worst thing that happens? 1301 01:02:46,680 --> 01:02:49,040 They get, they go to a bog. Yeah. 1302 01:02:50,320 --> 01:02:53,360 The other thing I was wondering about, like, you could also 1303 01:02:53,360 --> 01:02:56,240 imagine a version of this movie where she's, like, a real bitch. 1304 01:02:56,280 --> 01:03:00,760 Like, she's Goldie Hawn and Overboard at the beginning of 1305 01:03:00,760 --> 01:03:02,640 the movie. She's disinterested in her 1306 01:03:02,640 --> 01:03:06,320 daughter. She's very superficial, shallow. 1307 01:03:07,200 --> 01:03:10,960 And like, the movie is about her learning to let go of that 1308 01:03:10,960 --> 01:03:12,920 stuff. Yeah, it's kind of interesting. 1309 01:03:12,920 --> 01:03:15,600 It doesn't do that. And like, she doesn't really, 1310 01:03:16,000 --> 01:03:18,040 like, she loves her daughter from the beginning. 1311 01:03:18,360 --> 01:03:20,040 She's just a bit flighty. Yeah. 1312 01:03:20,040 --> 01:03:23,160 Like, she's a good mother. Who cares? 1313 01:03:23,240 --> 01:03:25,960 Like it's kind of interesting that it doesn't paint her as 1314 01:03:25,960 --> 01:03:30,960 this like bad guy ever. No, she doesn't have a like a 1315 01:03:30,960 --> 01:03:33,000 floor, She doesn't. There's nothing and. 1316 01:03:33,000 --> 01:03:35,280 That's kind of the Legally Blonde of it all as well. 1317 01:03:35,560 --> 01:03:38,080 You know what I mean? In one way, it would be more 1318 01:03:38,080 --> 01:03:40,840 satisfying if she had that journey, but I can also imagine 1319 01:03:40,840 --> 01:03:45,680 them doing it that way and me being like me being frustrated 1320 01:03:45,680 --> 01:03:48,000 with the movie for that as well. So like, it kind of couldn't 1321 01:03:48,000 --> 01:03:49,320 win. That's true. 1322 01:03:49,320 --> 01:03:52,480 But I don't know, I just, I would have liked a bit more of 1323 01:03:52,640 --> 01:03:55,400 like a bit more of a journey, some sort of journey. 1324 01:03:55,400 --> 01:03:57,160 There's no journey at all. Yes. 1325 01:03:58,040 --> 01:04:01,520 Or like just have a real like make her have a real struggle. 1326 01:04:01,520 --> 01:04:04,600 Yeah, yeah, really rough it out at the end or something cool. 1327 01:04:04,640 --> 01:04:08,960 She should have had not rich kids assigned to her and she 1328 01:04:08,960 --> 01:04:17,480 should have had to use her like rich skills with them and like 1329 01:04:17,560 --> 01:04:19,320 they all would have learned. They would have learned a lesson 1330 01:04:19,320 --> 01:04:22,320 from each other, you know? Yeah, it's tried and tested, but 1331 01:04:22,320 --> 01:04:25,320 like, it's like every single film To Wong Fu. 1332 01:04:25,440 --> 01:04:27,640 Yeah, They, they there's a teachable moment. 1333 01:04:27,640 --> 01:04:30,720 Yeah, there's like a sharing. They kind of, you know, like in 1334 01:04:30,720 --> 01:04:34,360 To Wong Fu, the drag Queens become like, more humanized and 1335 01:04:34,360 --> 01:04:37,760 more aware of, like, situations, but then they learn and spread 1336 01:04:37,760 --> 01:04:41,160 fabulosity with the. Yeah, there's like no exchange. 1337 01:04:41,160 --> 01:04:43,800 It's like we're rich. And we're still rich. 1338 01:04:43,920 --> 01:04:47,600 Yeah, and we win. And we don't even need the 1339 01:04:47,600 --> 01:04:50,880 shitty trophy that all of you have been training so hard for. 1340 01:04:50,880 --> 01:04:52,720 Yeah, it doesn't matter to us. And. 1341 01:04:52,840 --> 01:04:55,040 For Velda ends up working at fucking Kmart. 1342 01:04:55,040 --> 01:04:58,240 Yeah, and she literally is just doing her job. 1343 01:04:59,520 --> 01:05:02,280 But yeah. If the movie were braver, you 1344 01:05:02,280 --> 01:05:04,880 could call it like or smarter. You'd be like. 1345 01:05:04,880 --> 01:05:09,480 This is an interesting analysis of class in America. 1346 01:05:10,680 --> 01:05:13,360 The movie is not the. Case I will say one thing like I 1347 01:05:13,600 --> 01:05:16,640 really didn't enjoy the film the first time like I hated it. 1348 01:05:16,640 --> 01:05:19,280 I would go as far as saying and I do think maybe it's because 1349 01:05:19,280 --> 01:05:22,280 it's just not a nostalgic thing for me and I think that is just 1350 01:05:22,280 --> 01:05:24,480 something to bear in mind. I think with a lot of these 1351 01:05:24,480 --> 01:05:27,120 films because I think when you grow up with stuff and you've 1352 01:05:27,120 --> 01:05:29,640 kind of got that like warmth and you're a bit you're a bit you 1353 01:05:29,640 --> 01:05:31,800 think about things or you don't think about things at all when 1354 01:05:31,800 --> 01:05:34,040 you're younger and you just enjoy it for what it is. 1355 01:05:34,480 --> 01:05:37,280 That does kind of help you with these films and I think going 1356 01:05:37,280 --> 01:05:40,360 cold to something like this, it's just like I'm wasting my 1357 01:05:40,360 --> 01:05:45,520 life watching this. I just was like what is the 1358 01:05:45,520 --> 01:05:46,240 point? Yeah. 1359 01:05:46,240 --> 01:05:50,200 So because you had said, because I knew that was going and I did 1360 01:05:50,200 --> 01:05:53,360 try very hard to be kind to this movie, watching it. 1361 01:05:53,560 --> 01:05:56,600 And as a result, like it did go down pretty easy. 1362 01:05:56,600 --> 01:06:00,400 Like it doesn't have a lot of it, doesn't have a lot going on. 1363 01:06:00,760 --> 01:06:04,080 It's not a particularly thoughtful movie, but like the 1364 01:06:04,080 --> 01:06:06,440 star, is really endearing and watchable. 1365 01:06:06,720 --> 01:06:08,960 And that's the thing, I watched it on a Sunday morning for my 1366 01:06:08,960 --> 01:06:12,120 second, and actually Sunday morning I was in a slightly more 1367 01:06:12,120 --> 01:06:14,520 chill headspace. It wasn't like after a busy day, 1368 01:06:14,520 --> 01:06:16,120 it was. And I was like, actually, this 1369 01:06:16,120 --> 01:06:20,200 is just really gentle and silly and pretty to look at and kind 1370 01:06:20,200 --> 01:06:22,800 of a bit kooky. I was like, get over myself. 1371 01:06:22,800 --> 01:06:24,200 Yeah. But I think it's the same as 1372 01:06:24,200 --> 01:06:26,560 when we do drag as well. I think it's like if you do a 1373 01:06:26,560 --> 01:06:31,640 Pride gig, are you actually enjoying in the sweltering heat 1374 01:06:32,200 --> 01:06:34,200 getting everyone down on the floor to I want to dance 1375 01:06:34,200 --> 01:06:36,760 somebody and then jumping up while everyone's got like 1376 01:06:36,760 --> 01:06:40,400 rainbow CS on their faces? Are you actually enjoying that? 1377 01:06:40,800 --> 01:06:43,440 No, you're not. Do you hate everything about it? 1378 01:06:43,440 --> 01:06:46,440 Probably. But there are people out there 1379 01:06:46,440 --> 01:06:49,240 enjoying it, so who am I to shit on them? 1380 01:06:49,400 --> 01:06:51,320 You just got to go with it. And that's what I think with 1381 01:06:51,320 --> 01:06:53,480 some of these films, it's like people love them. 1382 01:06:54,800 --> 01:06:58,200 Do I love them? No, that they probably are camp 1383 01:06:58,200 --> 01:07:02,440 and fun to those people. It's a very much on paper, you 1384 01:07:02,440 --> 01:07:05,520 could really make the argument for this movie being very camp, 1385 01:07:05,600 --> 01:07:10,280 like the fashion, the the Shelley Long of it all the like 1386 01:07:10,280 --> 01:07:12,640 arch villain who's lesbian coded. 1387 01:07:12,640 --> 01:07:15,080 Yeah. They're like there's some jokes 1388 01:07:15,080 --> 01:07:18,160 that are kind of funny, like the pratfalls are funny. 1389 01:07:18,880 --> 01:07:23,040 Like, yeah, it it it works for what it is. 1390 01:07:23,040 --> 01:07:27,200 Yeah, definitely. It's just it's not like a big 1391 01:07:27,200 --> 01:07:29,800 thinker. No, but then I don't want it to 1392 01:07:29,800 --> 01:07:33,040 be that every film that we talk about has to be a big thinker. 1393 01:07:33,360 --> 01:07:35,400 Like Dumb is Fun. Yeah, you just want. 1394 01:07:35,560 --> 01:07:38,560 But like. You want a subversion, and this 1395 01:07:38,560 --> 01:07:41,520 is like at least subversion. Imagine if Pamela Anderson was 1396 01:07:41,520 --> 01:07:44,200 doing this film in the 90s, right? 1397 01:07:44,400 --> 01:07:46,080 I think I'd be more interested in that. 1398 01:07:46,080 --> 01:07:48,320 Do you know what I mean? It's like hot Pammy. 1399 01:07:48,760 --> 01:07:50,640 Like House Bunny. Yeah, yeah. 1400 01:07:50,640 --> 01:07:52,920 House Bunny is great fun. Yeah, yeah. 1401 01:07:53,440 --> 01:07:55,960 That's the same story. This story is tailors all the 1402 01:07:55,960 --> 01:07:57,800 time. This story has been told many, 1403 01:07:57,840 --> 01:07:59,760 many times. But again, you know a Goldie 1404 01:07:59,760 --> 01:08:01,520 Hawn and I suppose it didn't go more down that road. 1405 01:08:01,800 --> 01:08:05,280 Private Benjamin. You see her having to actually 1406 01:08:05,360 --> 01:08:08,920 get in the nitty gritty of it all and she gets like mucky. 1407 01:08:08,920 --> 01:08:11,240 And then she shows that she's learned all of these amazing 1408 01:08:11,240 --> 01:08:14,280 skills and it's kind of like, go you. 1409 01:08:14,280 --> 01:08:18,040 There's more to you than this. There isn't more to her than 1410 01:08:18,040 --> 01:08:21,080 this. No, but at the movies maybe kind 1411 01:08:21,080 --> 01:08:25,880 of saying like that's OK, Yeah, I don't know. 1412 01:08:26,960 --> 01:08:28,520 Privilege wins. Privilege wins. 1413 01:08:28,520 --> 01:08:32,520 It's very third wave feminism. You know, it's just like you 1414 01:08:32,520 --> 01:08:34,680 can, you can just be a woman and that's great. 1415 01:08:36,080 --> 01:08:38,479 Yeah. And like, you can have your hair 1416 01:08:38,479 --> 01:08:42,120 and nails done and that does not make you a bad person or a bad 1417 01:08:42,120 --> 01:08:44,240 feminist. It OH. 1418 01:08:44,520 --> 01:08:46,880 Yeah, getting back with your shitty husband does, yeah. 1419 01:08:47,439 --> 01:08:49,720 I mean, that's just like the rules of feminism. 1420 01:08:50,880 --> 01:08:53,319 I also saw this letterbox review, which I think kind of 1421 01:08:53,319 --> 01:08:55,880 sums it all up. I'm not wholly uncritical of 1422 01:08:55,880 --> 01:08:57,920 this movie because it kind of villainizes more masculine 1423 01:08:57,920 --> 01:08:59,920 constructions of womanhood as seen in Velda's character. 1424 01:08:59,920 --> 01:09:01,880 But I guess it's also trying to combat the notion that you can't 1425 01:09:01,880 --> 01:09:03,880 be feminine and strong. But it's also slimy that we're 1426 01:09:03,880 --> 01:09:06,279 asked to sympathize, sympathize with the troops underdog status 1427 01:09:06,279 --> 01:09:08,160 because the implication is that they're all ostracized because 1428 01:09:08,160 --> 01:09:10,600 they're so rich. But I also love the 80s Beverly 1429 01:09:10,600 --> 01:09:13,080 Hills fantasy glam life, and Shelly Long plays it so well. 1430 01:09:13,080 --> 01:09:15,200 And the message of that it's OK if you're not outdoorsy was 1431 01:09:15,200 --> 01:09:17,160 influential to me. I don't know this movie is a 1432 01:09:17,160 --> 01:09:19,760 bop, but it's a non problem. It's not an unproblematic bop, 1433 01:09:19,920 --> 01:09:21,720 but it's hard as also in the right place for championing 1434 01:09:21,720 --> 01:09:23,040 girls. But it could also be improved 1435 01:09:23,040 --> 01:09:25,200 upon. We're only championing a 1436 01:09:25,200 --> 01:09:27,960 specific depiction of girlhood, but also one where we can only 1437 01:09:27,960 --> 01:09:31,560 do so much. Round of applause. 1438 01:09:31,560 --> 01:09:32,840 Yeah, we should get them on the podcast. 1439 01:09:32,840 --> 01:09:35,279 They really summed it up. I've just, I've just worked out 1440 01:09:35,279 --> 01:09:37,399 how I would say save this movie though. 1441 01:09:37,399 --> 01:09:39,200 Yes, and 100% this is what I would do. 1442 01:09:39,479 --> 01:09:41,920 I would just switch who the main character is. 1443 01:09:41,920 --> 01:09:44,080 And I know I've been banging on about Stephanie Veitchan, but 1444 01:09:44,080 --> 01:09:49,840 imagine if it's an erotic, sexy writer that is taking on and she 1445 01:09:49,840 --> 01:09:53,000 has to do it. And her goofy sidekick, fabulous 1446 01:09:53,000 --> 01:09:56,480 friend Phyllis is part of it as well, but as more of a kind of 1447 01:09:56,760 --> 01:09:59,560 sidekick role. That makes so much sense. 1448 01:09:59,720 --> 01:10:01,640 It just needed A twist. It needed to be something 1449 01:10:01,640 --> 01:10:04,080 unexpected. It needed some sex in it. 1450 01:10:04,080 --> 01:10:05,560 Really. Like, it needed to be House 1451 01:10:05,560 --> 01:10:08,520 Bunny, where it's like a former Playboy star. 1452 01:10:08,600 --> 01:10:11,320 Yeah, is now in this situation. And that's funnier. 1453 01:10:11,520 --> 01:10:13,800 Yeah. And what does she learn by also 1454 01:10:13,800 --> 01:10:16,360 becoming, like, the troop lead with the wilderness girls? 1455 01:10:16,360 --> 01:10:18,160 Like what does she learn about herself? 1456 01:10:19,000 --> 01:10:21,040 She doesn't learn anything. I guess. 1457 01:10:21,200 --> 01:10:24,120 Never giving up on your husband. He's going to stray. 1458 01:10:24,120 --> 01:10:27,160 He's going to stray ladies, he's going to leave you. 1459 01:10:27,360 --> 01:10:28,760 He's going to find someone younger. 1460 01:10:28,920 --> 01:10:30,960 He's going to go for a midlife crisis but don't want to. 1461 01:10:31,040 --> 01:10:33,000 He'll come back. If you persevere and better 1462 01:10:33,000 --> 01:10:37,680 yourself, he'll he'll come back. Does that happen in Bridget 1463 01:10:37,680 --> 01:10:39,640 Jones too? I don't. 1464 01:10:39,680 --> 01:10:41,560 I don't think I've ever watched Bridget Jones all the way 1465 01:10:41,560 --> 01:10:44,040 through and I won't for this podcast FYI. 1466 01:10:44,040 --> 01:10:46,560 Oh, what about? What about Muriel's wedding? 1467 01:10:46,560 --> 01:10:50,040 He does that and then the mum doesn't, the mum die and it's 1468 01:10:50,040 --> 01:10:53,160 really sad. Can't remember, but probably I 1469 01:10:53,160 --> 01:10:59,200 can't remember OK. I don't think there's much else 1470 01:10:59,200 --> 01:11:00,760 to say. No, I think we've done well to 1471 01:11:00,760 --> 01:11:01,840 talk about it this much. Yeah. 1472 01:11:03,080 --> 01:11:05,640 Let's rate this movie Merrells and Lizas. 1473 01:11:05,720 --> 01:11:08,000 How? How many Merrells? 1474 01:11:08,000 --> 01:11:09,480 How? What is the quality of this 1475 01:11:09,480 --> 01:11:10,400 movie? 1 to 10. 1476 01:11:10,960 --> 01:11:16,120 OK. Shelley Long is funny in the 1477 01:11:16,120 --> 01:11:19,760 sense that she's a skilled comedy actor. 1478 01:11:20,000 --> 01:11:22,800 Yeah, I like the costumes that I like. 1479 01:11:22,800 --> 01:11:25,920 The mention that you had of the 80s fantasy, it was giving me 1480 01:11:25,920 --> 01:11:28,840 that. But I mean, there's no plot. 1481 01:11:28,840 --> 01:11:33,160 There's no storyline. It's just like money has been 1482 01:11:33,160 --> 01:11:35,080 spent on this as well, but like, no care. 1483 01:11:35,080 --> 01:11:36,880 It's a really good representation of the story 1484 01:11:36,880 --> 01:11:38,640 they're telling. There's like money there, but 1485 01:11:38,640 --> 01:11:40,640 it's dead. You're so right. 1486 01:11:41,040 --> 01:11:42,600 I'm going to. I'm Stephanie beat him. 1487 01:11:42,600 --> 01:11:45,800 Yeah, but we're not talking. I'm going to give it 2. 1488 01:11:46,640 --> 01:11:48,240 OK. I think I'll go a little higher. 1489 01:11:50,720 --> 01:11:55,400 I think for what it is, it's medium successful. 1490 01:11:55,400 --> 01:11:58,400 It's mid tier of what it's trying to be, Yes. 1491 01:11:58,400 --> 01:12:00,880 OK, you've seen much better versions of this movie. 1492 01:12:02,440 --> 01:12:05,080 You could imagine worse ones. I'm going to give it a four. 1493 01:12:05,240 --> 01:12:08,560 OK, fair enough. Yeah, groundbreaking. 1494 01:12:09,040 --> 01:12:12,120 Eliza's How camp is this movie? Well, to lots of people, this is 1495 01:12:12,120 --> 01:12:15,240 probably a very camp film. Yeah, I struggle. 1496 01:12:15,240 --> 01:12:18,000 If I'm bored of a film, then it's just like, I can't be 1497 01:12:18,000 --> 01:12:23,040 saying it's camp if I'm bored. I think for like the 1st 20 1498 01:12:23,040 --> 01:12:26,560 minutes, I'm going to, I'm going to give it something. 1499 01:12:26,840 --> 01:12:29,040 And I think Shelley Long also deserves something. 1500 01:12:29,600 --> 01:12:31,320 It's kind of like middle of the road for me. 1501 01:12:31,400 --> 01:12:34,720 And if you're in the right frame of mind and like, yeah, you're 1502 01:12:34,720 --> 01:12:36,640 on, you're hungover. It's Sunday morning. 1503 01:12:36,640 --> 01:12:38,240 Oh, it's great if you're hungover. 1504 01:12:38,240 --> 01:12:40,360 Absolutely. I think it's a 5. 1505 01:12:43,680 --> 01:12:45,400 Yeah, I was. I thought you were going to go a 1506 01:12:45,400 --> 01:12:47,880 little bit higher. Actually, it's definitely not. 1507 01:12:47,880 --> 01:12:51,760 I can't go under the camp radar. It's not consistently camp 1508 01:12:51,760 --> 01:12:52,680 enough. Yeah. 1509 01:12:52,960 --> 01:12:56,280 And I think, I don't know, I like to think the people that 1510 01:12:56,280 --> 01:13:00,560 really enjoy camp culture are a bit smarter than this. 1511 01:13:00,560 --> 01:13:02,200 It's a bit dumb dumb camp for me. 1512 01:13:02,320 --> 01:13:05,800 Yeah, it's a it's, it's like pretty like fun to look at camp. 1513 01:13:05,960 --> 01:13:09,200 But it's drag brunch, Yeah. It's like, you're gonna love 1514 01:13:09,200 --> 01:13:10,160 this. It's like. 1515 01:13:10,160 --> 01:13:12,040 There's nothing subversive about this movie. 1516 01:13:12,040 --> 01:13:13,440 There's no. There's no. 1517 01:13:13,440 --> 01:13:15,440 Stephanie beat him. Sure, yeah, but. 1518 01:13:15,440 --> 01:13:16,600 She. She. 1519 01:13:16,680 --> 01:13:19,440 But she's so criminally underused that like, yeah, you 1520 01:13:19,440 --> 01:13:22,520 just, you see a taste of her. You're like, oh, why isn't this 1521 01:13:22,720 --> 01:13:23,960 more? Definitely. 1522 01:13:24,240 --> 01:13:26,400 And so you can't really get queer joy from a story about, 1523 01:13:26,400 --> 01:13:28,520 like, a rich woman trying to get back with her husband. 1524 01:13:28,520 --> 01:13:31,240 Very like I'm Diane Keaton. OK. 1525 01:13:32,120 --> 01:13:37,640 ROP I could imagine Diane Keaton playing this role. 1526 01:13:38,280 --> 01:13:40,760 Yes. Yeah, I can act. 1527 01:13:40,760 --> 01:13:43,840 Oh, God, yeah. But no, it's a shame because I, 1528 01:13:43,840 --> 01:13:47,000 I'm a fan of Shelley Long. I don't know all of her films, 1529 01:13:47,000 --> 01:13:49,760 but I do think she's a talented person. 1530 01:13:50,000 --> 01:13:53,520 Yeah, but I also get why this is part of I think this when you 1531 01:13:53,520 --> 01:13:57,120 look at her IoD and B, this is like the start of the decline of 1532 01:13:57,120 --> 01:13:59,160 her career and I. Think then she ended up in Brady 1533 01:13:59,160 --> 01:14:00,440 Bunch, right? And yeah, that was. 1534 01:14:01,240 --> 01:14:03,160 Did well and then declined again, yeah. 1535 01:14:03,600 --> 01:14:07,360 I think she's excellent in this movie, though, like, and she's 1536 01:14:07,360 --> 01:14:10,840 much better than the material. Yeah, she elevates the whole 1537 01:14:10,840 --> 01:14:12,320 thing. Yeah. 1538 01:14:13,720 --> 01:14:17,040 So like, good on her. But yeah, I will say I would 1539 01:14:17,040 --> 01:14:21,480 love, I think for a while we need to put to rest this, this 1540 01:14:21,520 --> 01:14:25,000 genre of 80s comedy because it is not giving me what I need at 1541 01:14:25,000 --> 01:14:27,640 the moment. Been very disappointed. 1542 01:14:28,160 --> 01:14:31,760 I'm I'm very disappointed with those girls, with Kim Cattrall, 1543 01:14:31,760 --> 01:14:35,640 with Shelley Long Mannequin, this they are letting the side 1544 01:14:35,640 --> 01:14:38,280 down. Yeah, we need something like. 1545 01:14:38,600 --> 01:14:45,120 Supergirl. Yeah, now that's subversive. 1546 01:14:45,120 --> 01:14:47,960 Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, it definitely need a little 1547 01:14:47,960 --> 01:14:52,200 break from the the 80s romps. Yeah, I'm sorry, because I know 1548 01:14:52,200 --> 01:14:54,600 lots of people like them, lots of people are loving them at the 1549 01:14:54,600 --> 01:14:56,680 moment. But you know. 1550 01:14:58,280 --> 01:15:00,200 Maybe we just need like a whole new genre. 1551 01:15:00,920 --> 01:15:02,200 Do we need an action movie or something? 1552 01:15:02,200 --> 01:15:04,480 Yeah, I think we need to go down that route for a little bit, 1553 01:15:04,560 --> 01:15:07,480 that fantasy, because it's just like, The thing is, I think the 1554 01:15:07,480 --> 01:15:09,760 whole point of this podcast is there's lots of films that like 1555 01:15:09,760 --> 01:15:11,680 on the surface level, you could just go that's camp, that's 1556 01:15:11,680 --> 01:15:14,080 camp, that's camp, that's camp. And then it's like, yeah, they 1557 01:15:14,080 --> 01:15:16,360 kind of are. But like I want like. 1558 01:15:16,400 --> 01:15:17,600 Yeah, and that's why this is a 5. 1559 01:15:17,600 --> 01:15:20,520 I want like quirky, weird camp choices. 1560 01:15:20,520 --> 01:15:23,480 We need to take a risk just putting out there. 1561 01:15:25,000 --> 01:15:26,240 Well, someone did send me. Actually. 1562 01:15:26,240 --> 01:15:27,600 What? Someone, someone sent me. 1563 01:15:27,600 --> 01:15:30,000 This is a suggestion. This might be too risky. 1564 01:15:30,160 --> 01:15:32,000 We need some Anna Nicole, I think. 1565 01:15:32,640 --> 01:15:34,120 Oh yeah, we're talking about that. 1566 01:15:34,120 --> 01:15:38,120 Anna Nicole, But this person sent me the gay bed and 1567 01:15:38,120 --> 01:15:40,240 breakfast of terror. Oh. 1568 01:15:40,800 --> 01:15:43,680 And the tag, I mean, it's I think it's a porno, but the 1569 01:15:43,680 --> 01:15:46,440 tagline is you can't check in without getting checked out. 1570 01:15:46,840 --> 01:15:49,240 So I don't know. I don't know if this person was 1571 01:15:49,240 --> 01:15:52,000 high, if they were drunk, but they were like they sent it to 1572 01:15:52,000 --> 01:15:56,320 me and then they said, honestly, Camp classics legendary, it's 1573 01:15:56,320 --> 01:16:00,360 300% better than you think. So I don't know, maybe it's a 1574 01:16:00,360 --> 01:16:04,440 bit too niche. I definitely don't think 1575 01:16:04,440 --> 01:16:07,880 anyone's seen that one, but maybe that's OK. 1576 01:16:08,360 --> 01:16:10,280 Yeah, porn then. Yeah. 1577 01:16:11,280 --> 01:16:14,080 Yeah, well, let's go. Let's let's, let's take a pivot. 1578 01:16:14,080 --> 01:16:18,080 Let's find some weirdo traces. OK, and now for something 1579 01:16:18,080 --> 01:16:21,240 completely different. Thank God it's needed. 1580 01:16:22,080 --> 01:16:24,120 Thank you for lasting this song everyone. 1581 01:16:24,400 --> 01:16:28,640 Here's my interview with Lorraine Get. 1582 01:16:29,400 --> 01:16:33,480 Away from her, you bitch. Blasting. 1583 01:16:34,360 --> 01:16:37,760 He was in the Amazon with my mom when she was researching spiders 1584 01:16:37,800 --> 01:16:47,320 right before she died. prostitute or a dog at it I. 1585 01:16:47,920 --> 01:16:51,760 Still love doggy chow. I love doggy chat. 1586 01:16:52,480 --> 01:16:53,480 Too. You want me to hold it like 1587 01:16:53,480 --> 01:16:53,880 this? I love. 1588 01:16:54,720 --> 01:16:57,560 I do I do this. Is hi, hey you. 1589 01:16:59,360 --> 01:17:02,480 Hey. I'm here with Loreen A2 time 1590 01:17:02,480 --> 01:17:04,680 Eurovision winner, queen of Bangers. 1591 01:17:04,880 --> 01:17:07,120 Thanks for being here. Did you hear that, Queen of 1592 01:17:07,120 --> 01:17:08,240 Bangers? Queen of Bangers. 1593 01:17:08,440 --> 01:17:11,600 Welcome to Camp Classics. Thank you, happy to be here. 1594 01:17:11,600 --> 01:17:14,280 Yeah, I wanted to start by asking you about your new music 1595 01:17:14,280 --> 01:17:19,480 video, which is iconic, giving Dark Phoenix, it's giving 1596 01:17:19,680 --> 01:17:22,320 Showgirls, Crystal Connors coming out of the volcano. 1597 01:17:22,320 --> 01:17:23,640 Yes, what? Was the inspo. 1598 01:17:24,240 --> 01:17:31,960 Oh God, the inspo I oh, that, that the rising phoenix. 1599 01:17:32,160 --> 01:17:35,080 Well, you know, I, I just knew. I don't know, it's weird because 1600 01:17:35,080 --> 01:17:38,880 I just knew that I needed to be on fire because of the storyline 1601 01:17:38,880 --> 01:17:42,000 of the of the of the video as well as the song. 1602 01:17:42,000 --> 01:17:45,240 And I just like how much fire can we have? 1603 01:17:45,240 --> 01:17:47,840 And the director say, do you want full, full body? 1604 01:17:47,920 --> 01:17:50,080 I'm like, yes, that's exactly what I want. 1605 01:17:50,080 --> 01:17:52,240 He's like, OK. Was that all real? 1606 01:17:53,000 --> 01:17:57,720 No, I mean, yes, it was real. That was bad. 1607 01:17:57,720 --> 01:17:59,760 And there are ways. There are ways. 1608 01:17:59,760 --> 01:18:02,200 There are ways to do it. Like obviously you can burn 1609 01:18:02,200 --> 01:18:05,400 something up and you can add that into an actual, you know, 1610 01:18:05,400 --> 01:18:06,920 scene. Yeah, I knew that. 1611 01:18:07,040 --> 01:18:09,960 You know, the character. I'm saying character. 1612 01:18:09,960 --> 01:18:11,720 It's not a character. It's actually all of us. 1613 01:18:11,760 --> 01:18:14,800 But let's just call it the character that I'm playing. 1614 01:18:14,800 --> 01:18:17,400 Obviously, it's it's based on a story that I used to hear as a 1615 01:18:17,400 --> 01:18:20,240 child. You know, it was just an entity 1616 01:18:20,240 --> 01:18:23,440 coming to Earth and experiencing the human experience for the 1617 01:18:23,440 --> 01:18:24,720 first time. Of course. 1618 01:18:25,400 --> 01:18:28,280 Hello. But so she has this like, you 1619 01:18:28,280 --> 01:18:32,320 know, so that's basically why fire is so uncontained. 1620 01:18:32,320 --> 01:18:33,920 She's she's just very much. That's so cool. 1621 01:18:34,280 --> 01:18:40,480 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yes, yes. And just being a bit confused 1622 01:18:40,480 --> 01:18:42,400 about where she's at and what is going on. 1623 01:18:43,000 --> 01:18:44,920 We love that. We love that. 1624 01:18:44,920 --> 01:18:46,760 We love that. Where do you get your references 1625 01:18:46,840 --> 01:18:49,400 from? Life, Yeah, yeah, definitely 1626 01:18:49,400 --> 01:18:51,120 life. You know, in this case, this is 1627 01:18:51,120 --> 01:18:53,600 very much a reflection of what is going on in the world. 1628 01:18:53,600 --> 01:18:56,320 I mean, I say the world, but you know what we're going through 1629 01:18:56,320 --> 01:18:59,480 all of us now in the world today. 1630 01:19:00,000 --> 01:19:02,680 I mean, feels like heaven, which is the song you're talking 1631 01:19:02,680 --> 01:19:04,880 about. That's that's very much a song 1632 01:19:04,880 --> 01:19:08,000 about. It's very much like 1633 01:19:08,000 --> 01:19:10,160 understanding that heaven is not a place. 1634 01:19:10,160 --> 01:19:12,800 It's actually a state of mind, you know, And, you know, we 1635 01:19:12,800 --> 01:19:16,120 actually can create our reality. We do all the time. 1636 01:19:16,120 --> 01:19:19,240 And, you know, and we're in control there. 1637 01:19:19,320 --> 01:19:21,840 We choose. This is going to sound so, so, 1638 01:19:21,840 --> 01:19:24,400 so crazy, but I believe we can choose our emotions. 1639 01:19:24,400 --> 01:19:25,640 We can choose paths. Yeah. 1640 01:19:25,680 --> 01:19:27,880 Yeah. So that's basically what the 1641 01:19:27,880 --> 01:19:30,640 song is about. Oh yeah. 1642 01:19:30,920 --> 01:19:32,280 That's kind of the queer experience, too. 1643 01:19:32,280 --> 01:19:34,280 It's like figuring out, you know what? 1644 01:19:36,000 --> 01:19:39,680 You don't necessarily have the same path as everyone else. 1645 01:19:39,680 --> 01:19:40,920 Yeah, you have to choose your own. 1646 01:19:40,960 --> 01:19:42,200 Yeah, You have to choose your own. 1647 01:19:42,280 --> 01:19:44,080 We always do. We have to, you know, it's 1648 01:19:44,120 --> 01:19:47,080 really, yeah, we have to and have to stay authentic to 1649 01:19:47,080 --> 01:19:50,400 ourselves. It's like it's so important and 1650 01:19:50,400 --> 01:19:51,840 it's, it's and it's gonna happen. 1651 01:19:51,840 --> 01:19:55,040 It's happening all the time. You know, that's that's how the 1652 01:19:55,040 --> 01:19:58,120 universe works. Love that you're such a visual 1653 01:19:58,120 --> 01:20:00,320 artist. How like how do visuals come to 1654 01:20:00,320 --> 01:20:02,560 you when you're? Creating songs like, is it all 1655 01:20:02,600 --> 01:20:05,120 kind of part of the same thing? Do you see the visuals at the 1656 01:20:05,120 --> 01:20:06,360 same time as you're making the music? 1657 01:20:06,400 --> 01:20:08,120 Yeah, exactly that, exactly that. 1658 01:20:08,400 --> 01:20:09,400 Instantly. And not even. 1659 01:20:09,440 --> 01:20:13,760 Yeah, I just, I see visuals when I hear sound. 1660 01:20:13,760 --> 01:20:16,000 It doesn't have to be a finished song. 1661 01:20:16,000 --> 01:20:20,160 It could just be a vacuum cleaner going and I'm like, I'm 1662 01:20:20,160 --> 01:20:21,880 seeing a world, you know, is that. 1663 01:20:21,880 --> 01:20:23,760 What the sound is? At the beginning of euphoria. 1664 01:20:27,760 --> 01:20:31,360 Yeah, but you know, no, it actually I do that purposely. 1665 01:20:31,360 --> 01:20:35,480 All the sirens are there to neutralize the room because 1666 01:20:35,480 --> 01:20:38,080 there are certain frequencies that neutralizes the space. 1667 01:20:38,080 --> 01:20:40,920 It's like it's always like a go into a meditation and you hear 1668 01:20:40,920 --> 01:20:44,640 the gongo bong, you know, and what it does is like there are 1669 01:20:44,640 --> 01:20:47,640 these like lower frequencies, the really bassy ones. 1670 01:20:47,720 --> 01:20:49,680 It just grounds you and centers you. 1671 01:20:49,680 --> 01:20:54,520 So whatever distortion happened before that boom, now you're 1672 01:20:54,520 --> 01:20:55,600 focused. You're in the room. 1673 01:20:55,800 --> 01:20:57,720 Now you're you're you're present I've. 1674 01:20:57,840 --> 01:21:01,000 Only done a gong bath once and it was like day five of Burning 1675 01:21:01,000 --> 01:21:03,680 Man and I yeah, my brain was not in the right. 1676 01:21:03,720 --> 01:21:06,000 Space really to receive it correctly, Really. 1677 01:21:06,000 --> 01:21:08,560 Yeah, because sound bath is amazing. 1678 01:21:08,560 --> 01:21:09,760 Yeah, I need to. Try it again. 1679 01:21:09,800 --> 01:21:12,280 Yeah. And it needs to be a space that 1680 01:21:12,280 --> 01:21:16,360 you feel, you know, obviously safe and, you know, inspires 1681 01:21:16,360 --> 01:21:19,400 you. Some space is just like this is 1682 01:21:19,400 --> 01:21:21,160 not me, right? Right. 1683 01:21:21,640 --> 01:21:24,440 So you're on Camp Classics. It's a podcast about camp 1684 01:21:24,440 --> 01:21:26,360 movies. As someone in the queer 1685 01:21:26,360 --> 01:21:28,240 community, what does camp mean to you? 1686 01:21:29,160 --> 01:21:31,720 What camp means to you? Yeah, are you familiar with the 1687 01:21:31,720 --> 01:21:34,600 word? This is a language barrier, 1688 01:21:34,600 --> 01:21:36,360 Yeah, you just have to help. Me out, I'll tell you. 1689 01:21:36,560 --> 01:21:39,080 So camp to me. We describe it as something that 1690 01:21:39,440 --> 01:21:41,760 unlocks queer joy, is kind of stupid fun. 1691 01:21:41,760 --> 01:21:44,800 It's reclaiming. It's like you ever seen the 1692 01:21:44,800 --> 01:21:45,960 movie Show Girls? Yeah. 1693 01:21:46,120 --> 01:21:49,560 Yeah, that's camp. OK, OK, OK. 1694 01:21:49,680 --> 01:21:50,400 I got it. I got it. 1695 01:21:50,400 --> 01:21:51,800 Yeah. It's mommy dearest. 1696 01:21:51,840 --> 01:21:55,080 It's, I don't know, it could be Mean Girls. 1697 01:21:55,440 --> 01:21:58,920 OK, that's my camp. You I mean. 1698 01:21:59,680 --> 01:22:04,000 I think you have campness because you bring so much 1699 01:22:04,040 --> 01:22:08,840 theatricality and intensity and visuals and all of that. 1700 01:22:08,880 --> 01:22:12,680 Yeah, but sometimes camp can be used as a bit of a pejorative. 1701 01:22:12,800 --> 01:22:14,200 And it's like. You're trying for something and 1702 01:22:14,200 --> 01:22:15,880 you miss. Yeah, and I don't think you ever 1703 01:22:15,880 --> 01:22:17,600 miss. OK, so. 1704 01:22:17,600 --> 01:22:20,400 I'm gonna be careful and I'm gonna say you have camp 1705 01:22:20,640 --> 01:22:23,560 leanings. OK cuz it does sound like pretty 1706 01:22:23,560 --> 01:22:25,200 cool when you say oh that's so calm. 1707 01:22:25,560 --> 01:22:26,880 It is I. Was like OK. 1708 01:22:26,880 --> 01:22:29,320 It can be both a compliment and an insult. 1709 01:22:29,320 --> 01:22:32,240 It's kind of an amazing word. I do love the idea of being 1710 01:22:32,240 --> 01:22:33,480 camp. OK, well then. 1711 01:22:33,560 --> 01:22:34,840 We changed the whole like I'm camp. 1712 01:22:36,200 --> 01:22:40,520 I mean, you're giving camp today really insulting answers. 1713 01:22:40,560 --> 01:22:42,840 I love it. OK then, how about this one? 1714 01:22:42,840 --> 01:22:46,240 So one thing we talked about on the podcast a lot is things that 1715 01:22:46,240 --> 01:22:47,800 unlock queer joy. Yeah. 1716 01:22:48,040 --> 01:22:50,120 What does that for you? What unlocks your queer joy? 1717 01:22:50,800 --> 01:22:55,040 Oh, God, you know me. I'm a spiritual situation. 1718 01:22:55,040 --> 01:22:58,080 OK, So what unlocks my queer joy? 1719 01:22:58,080 --> 01:22:59,960 It's just like I'm gonna be deep. 1720 01:22:59,960 --> 01:23:02,720 Like it's just living my truth. Like just be allowing myself to 1721 01:23:02,720 --> 01:23:07,040 be whatever I am at the moment. That's that's actually real deep 1722 01:23:07,040 --> 01:23:07,720 joy. For me. 1723 01:23:07,760 --> 01:23:08,840 Love that. Yeah. 1724 01:23:09,280 --> 01:23:11,720 And do you have, is there anything like in media ever that 1725 01:23:11,720 --> 01:23:15,400 you see that you're like, oh, that makes me feel like seen or 1726 01:23:15,400 --> 01:23:18,760 excited? Like for me, it's seeing like 1727 01:23:19,600 --> 01:23:23,480 female villainy, like a woman who's gone over the edge and 1728 01:23:23,480 --> 01:23:25,280 she's. Like, Oh yeah, OK, she's. 1729 01:23:25,320 --> 01:23:26,680 Dangerous. She doesn't give a shit. 1730 01:23:26,680 --> 01:23:27,280 Anymore. Yeah. 1731 01:23:27,360 --> 01:23:28,080 OK. Got you. 1732 01:23:28,440 --> 01:23:29,480 That's my career, joy. Yeah. 1733 01:23:29,560 --> 01:23:30,520 OK. I get. 1734 01:23:30,560 --> 01:23:32,520 OK. In that case, I can definitely 1735 01:23:32,520 --> 01:23:34,760 tell you that Sarah O'Connor at Terminator. 1736 01:23:34,800 --> 01:23:38,400 That's my plan. Young or Tarantino killed Bill. 1737 01:23:38,400 --> 01:23:42,000 What's her name? Thurman Fellow. 1738 01:23:42,160 --> 01:23:43,840 The bride. I can so. 1739 01:23:43,840 --> 01:23:44,760 Relate. I'm actually. 1740 01:23:44,840 --> 01:23:47,560 So you're so Sarah Connor now I think about it, Yeah. 1741 01:23:47,920 --> 01:23:51,560 Yeah yeah, I love Babs yeah exactly. 1742 01:23:51,680 --> 01:23:55,000 I think I subconsciously like always wanted like when I saw 1743 01:23:55,000 --> 01:23:57,440 that characters was like I can relate to that. 1744 01:23:57,440 --> 01:24:00,120 Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, kind of something warrior ish with her 1745 01:24:00,120 --> 01:24:01,160 she's. Not lesbian icon. 1746 01:24:01,200 --> 01:24:03,920 Actually, yeah, yeah, we love that. 1747 01:24:03,960 --> 01:24:07,320 We love. What is your favorite music 1748 01:24:07,320 --> 01:24:11,120 video of all time? My favorite music video of all 1749 01:24:11,120 --> 01:24:12,640 time. Or you can shout at a couple. 1750 01:24:12,960 --> 01:24:15,400 Oh God, I'm like my, my head is just like spinning because I'm 1751 01:24:15,400 --> 01:24:18,920 like music videos. I was born and raised under a 1752 01:24:18,920 --> 01:24:20,760 fucking rock. I'm like, did I even have it? 1753 01:24:21,120 --> 01:24:26,320 OK I I really love Frozen with Madonna but I don't know if it's 1754 01:24:26,320 --> 01:24:28,640 the song or is it the video? The video. 1755 01:24:28,640 --> 01:24:30,520 Is gorgeous. Isn't it when she just, you 1756 01:24:30,520 --> 01:24:33,000 know, she's? Transforming into like dogs and 1757 01:24:33,000 --> 01:24:34,800 Ravens. Yeah, we love that. 1758 01:24:34,840 --> 01:24:36,560 Yeah. Actually, that's very witchy. 1759 01:24:36,560 --> 01:24:37,600 Yeah, very. Yeah. 1760 01:24:37,800 --> 01:24:38,800 Yeah. Isn't it? 1761 01:24:40,120 --> 01:24:42,360 Yeah, like and she's in a desert scape. 1762 01:24:42,360 --> 01:24:43,920 Love that. Yeah, perfect. 1763 01:24:43,920 --> 01:24:45,680 I feel at home, like, yeah, there you go. 1764 01:24:45,720 --> 01:24:46,560 Yeah. Perfect. 1765 01:24:46,560 --> 01:24:48,640 I channeled that one. I wasn't sure it was well done. 1766 01:24:49,320 --> 01:24:53,000 OK, now that you know what Campy means, do you have a favorite 1767 01:24:53,000 --> 01:24:57,720 campy Eurovision performance? Because I think what's amazing 1768 01:24:57,720 --> 01:25:00,680 about your performances at Eurovision is you cut through 1769 01:25:00,680 --> 01:25:04,160 the camp with like, theatricality, kind of 1770 01:25:04,160 --> 01:25:06,680 sincerity, like. Beauty. 1771 01:25:06,840 --> 01:25:09,160 Strength, but. Obviously Eurovision is also 1772 01:25:09,160 --> 01:25:14,000 known for like silly, campy, over the top ridiculous. 1773 01:25:14,000 --> 01:25:18,440 Yeah, there was actually one performance that Rylan and Scott 1774 01:25:19,000 --> 01:25:21,800 Scott showed me the other day, and they're like, that's cap. 1775 01:25:21,800 --> 01:25:25,880 And I'm like, that's cap. And there was a British, this is 1776 01:25:25,880 --> 01:25:28,120 a British song. And they were just they were 1777 01:25:28,120 --> 01:25:33,160 dressed up as flight attendants. Yeah, they're called. 1778 01:25:33,160 --> 01:25:35,920 They're called What are they called? 1779 01:25:35,920 --> 01:25:37,080 Scooch. Scooch. 1780 01:25:37,200 --> 01:25:38,920 Scooch. Flying the flag. 1781 01:25:38,920 --> 01:25:42,560 Flying the flag, that is camp. That is so camp. 1782 01:25:42,560 --> 01:25:44,120 I'm like, they were like, this is camp. 1783 01:25:44,120 --> 01:25:46,080 I'm like that's camp. Oh my God, this is so camp. 1784 01:25:46,080 --> 01:25:48,720 I should have just said that when I was trying to define 1785 01:25:48,800 --> 01:25:52,520 camp. That was very, very camp. 1786 01:25:52,600 --> 01:25:54,680 Yeah, so good, great answer. I love. 1787 01:25:54,960 --> 01:25:57,640 That thank. You Do you have a favorite 1788 01:25:57,880 --> 01:25:59,920 representation of queerness in film? 1789 01:26:01,040 --> 01:26:02,320 Well, I just gave you my favorite. 1790 01:26:02,320 --> 01:26:05,960 Okay, representative. Hello, you start first so 1791 01:26:06,320 --> 01:26:09,520 that'll give me some time. So if you've seen Showgirls, 1792 01:26:09,520 --> 01:26:12,600 Crystal Connors, and that is like a bisexual icon, Yeah. 1793 01:26:12,800 --> 01:26:15,440 And Gina Gershon, who plays her. Have you ever seen Bound? 1794 01:26:15,800 --> 01:26:18,080 No. My God, that's a lesbian like 1795 01:26:18,080 --> 01:26:21,120 noir thriller. It is so good. 1796 01:26:21,280 --> 01:26:23,560 And if you're into Sarah Connor, you'd be into Gina. 1797 01:26:23,560 --> 01:26:24,480 Gershwin Really. Is it a? 1798 01:26:24,520 --> 01:26:26,840 Is it a happy ending? Please tell me Yes because I'm. 1799 01:26:26,840 --> 01:26:30,040 Yeah, it's, it's it's tense, but she plays like a Butch plumber. 1800 01:26:30,040 --> 01:26:32,200 Yeah. And she's like, hot. 1801 01:26:32,480 --> 01:26:34,640 And OK, Buff. Yeah, yeah. 1802 01:26:35,040 --> 01:26:36,640 What was the name of the movie? Again, bound. 1803 01:26:36,720 --> 01:26:39,040 It's kind of, it's a little bit bondage. 1804 01:26:39,040 --> 01:26:42,280 It's like lesbian bondage, love. It's got Jennifer Tilley. 1805 01:26:42,280 --> 01:26:44,480 Do you know who that is? She voiced. 1806 01:26:45,480 --> 01:26:47,480 The bride of Chucky. OK, yeah. 1807 01:26:47,480 --> 01:26:49,480 I just feel like I need to hang a little bit more with you 1808 01:26:49,480 --> 01:26:51,280 because there's so much I need to learn. 1809 01:26:51,760 --> 01:26:55,240 Oh my God. OK, last question, Yeah, So we 1810 01:26:55,920 --> 01:26:57,760 on the podcast, we have a suggestion sack. 1811 01:26:57,760 --> 01:27:01,560 Our listeners suggest movies that they think we should cover. 1812 01:27:02,000 --> 01:27:05,880 Do you have a movie that we should add to the suggestion 1813 01:27:05,880 --> 01:27:08,880 sack? The suggestion, yeah. 1814 01:27:09,040 --> 01:27:10,400 Now that you're an expert on camp. 1815 01:27:11,160 --> 01:27:15,080 Yes, now that I'm like by the crash course on Camp Jesus 1816 01:27:15,160 --> 01:27:18,240 Christ, wait, you're just putting me on the spot here 1817 01:27:18,880 --> 01:27:21,520 because I'm that spiritual person when the Carly looks at 1818 01:27:21,920 --> 01:27:25,920 TV like I'm like I'm like hugging trees and and meditating 1819 01:27:25,920 --> 01:27:28,680 with like crystals and stuff like that and he's putting me on 1820 01:27:28,680 --> 01:27:29,480 the spot. What movie? 1821 01:27:29,480 --> 01:27:32,080 The only thing that comes up is like Tarantino, Tarantino, 1822 01:27:32,080 --> 01:27:34,680 Tarantino, Tarantino A. Great suggestion. 1823 01:27:35,000 --> 01:27:36,600 Right. Let's pop Kill Bill in. 1824 01:27:36,720 --> 01:27:38,600 Or maybe Pulp Fiction. Oh fuck. 1825 01:27:40,200 --> 01:27:43,600 Fiction is really nice too, but if I had to choose I would 1826 01:27:43,600 --> 01:27:44,840 probably choose Kill Bill anyway. 1827 01:27:44,840 --> 01:27:46,720 That is a camp. Yeah, yeah. 1828 01:27:47,040 --> 01:27:49,680 That is just like women fucking each other up. 1829 01:27:49,880 --> 01:27:51,640 Big time. Yeah, we love that. 1830 01:27:51,880 --> 01:27:54,640 Yeah, not actually the fucking each other up, but but you know, 1831 01:27:54,640 --> 01:27:55,720 sometimes. We love it. 1832 01:27:56,200 --> 01:27:58,240 Vivica Fox like that. Fight her. 1833 01:27:58,280 --> 01:28:01,360 Between her and Uma Thurman, that is cinema. 1834 01:28:01,400 --> 01:28:03,640 And they're hot, both of. Them they're both really hot. 1835 01:28:03,640 --> 01:28:05,640 Yeah, it's not, it's. And Lucy Liu. 1836 01:28:05,720 --> 01:28:06,720 Yeah. Hello. 1837 01:28:06,720 --> 01:28:07,880 Hello. It's a crime. 1838 01:28:07,880 --> 01:28:08,760 Yeah, Yeah. Yeah. 1839 01:28:08,920 --> 01:28:11,040 No, yes. OK, Kill Bill. 1840 01:28:11,080 --> 01:28:13,480 It's in the suggestion sack. Yes. 1841 01:28:14,320 --> 01:28:16,360 Thank you for being here. Congrats on the new album, I 1842 01:28:16,360 --> 01:28:17,880 can't wait to hear it. Thank you, love. 1843 01:28:17,880 --> 01:28:19,120 Thank you so much. Thank you for having. 1844 01:28:19,120 --> 01:28:21,520 Me, yeah. For the crash and for the crash 1845 01:28:21,520 --> 01:28:24,560 course on camp, camp, camp, camp, camp, camp. 1846 01:28:25,800 --> 01:28:28,520 I'm clipping that up. You are. 1847 01:28:28,600 --> 01:28:29,280 I know. Get away. 1848 01:28:31,040 --> 01:28:34,880 Away from her, you bitch. Classic. 1849 01:28:35,760 --> 01:28:39,200 He was in the Amazon with my mom when she was researching spiders 1850 01:28:39,200 --> 01:28:53,480 right I used to love doggy chow too.