prostitute or a dog. Edit.
I used to love doggy chow. I used.
To love doggy chow. Too sorry I was late, I was busy
describing fall fashions to the blind.
I'm Crystal. She felt his manhood rising to a
pulsating frenzy. I'm baby lame.
Also like last time I had this I got more than a patch.
We'll get into that, yeah. Welcome to Camp Classic A.
Thoughtful podcast about stupid movies.
Every two weeks we get together and discuss a gay old movie and
try and figure out if it deserves a merit patch.
And why do we do it? Still don't know?
Someone has to. Someone has to, yeah.
Thank God someone is. Doing what I what I will say is
this, you know, it might it might surprise you, Crystal, but
there have actually been a few other Cam classic podcasts
various like various. Did you have a?
Brain tumor for breakfast. In in what's, what's the word
intonations? Yeah, iterations, iterations.
Thank you. Yeah, great.
I'm so articulate again. Really been working the most
smartest most smartest? But yeah, there's been quite a
few. They don't last that long.
I think we've got more episodes than most now, so you know.
What are you saying? There have been actual shows
called Camp Classics or just like right?
Yeah, like, but basically, yeah. Totally.
Like sometimes when I'm trying to research a movie I will like
try and listen to a podcast and there's just archives of like
shows that 2 gay people started and.
They give up. They give up and.
Not us. They're not giving up.
Clinging on to that, yeah, but that.
That's when we're going to carry on.
No one can stop us. Help help me help me.
Even TikTok because we've just, we've just launched our TikTok
page and you told me there are haters already.
We've got like 50 followers and a couple of them are haters.
Brilliant. Bring it on.
Yeah, they they said they weren't happy with our Black
Swan coverage. They said you were so close to
getting it. Fuck you.
I think I should start making like more rage baity little
clips. Yeah, I just think we should go
full on rage bait with it now. Yeah, it's the era.
It's the era of rage bait. Hey, you know what I'm enraged
about? Go on, tell me.
The Buffy reboot being cancelled.
I know you don't care, but literally.
Didn't I didn't even know it came.
I'm not even saying this to be a little maybe I'm saying this to
be rage. Basically, I didn't even realize
it was back until poor Sarah Michelle Gellar was there going
I'm. Fucking livid.
Did you even watch it? Did anyone watch it?
Hasn't come out. They filmed a pilot and and they
filmed the pilot and Hulu cancelled it.
Like didn't take it to series. Oh.
Oh, I'm sorry. That must.
Have been devastating for you. It actually was it.
Can't have been very good then. Listen It was directed and
produced by Chloe Zhao, who has an Oscar.
For what should know these things but.
Well she was. She has an Oscar for Oh fuck
what is it? She directed Hamnet and a Marvel
movie and she doesn't. She doesn't.
Slightly like and then the Buffy reboot.
Yeah, that's a slightly wild range.
Isn't it? But they say that it was an an
executive Hulu who just kept saying to Sarah Michelle go
like, I never watched this show, I never got it.
And he's the one who didn't want it.
OK. They're just afraid of strong
women. Blah blah blah girl power
feminism. Do you know what I mean?
Well, things that I've been excited about this week.
Denise Richards facelift. Oh, I haven't seen.
Oh, she looks sensational. Oh, she looks absolutely
sensational. Because she has been a bit,
she's been a bit Joan Crawford in the later years.
Recently I saw a clip of her and Charlie Sheen reunited for his
documentary, which I think is a bit old anyway.
But I went down the loophole of seeing her and it was she's a
bit, she was a bit mummy dearest, but no, she's snatched
and back. So welcome back Denise Richards.
You've got value again now that your face is tight, yes.
Feminism. Do you know what I mean?
We, we have some other things that we're very excited about.
Well, actually when this episode comes out, we will have, we will
have been BFI alumni by the time you're listening to this.
We have done our BFI. Events.
Do we pretend it went really well or do we sort of fester in
self pity because we flopped at the first hurdle?
What what? What side do you want to go down
well? You already said that it's all
about delusions, so you were saying earlier, so let's just
keep that going. Yay.
Oh my God, we had such a great time.
The guests were amazing, The audience was fantastic.
So good that we're going to be. It's an episode, isn't?
It they were actually queuing around the block, weren't they?
Like they were just waiting for returns because we obviously
sold out like within minutes. Yeah, I mean, it's a pretty big
deal, Pretty big deal. Yeah, it was great and looking
forward to more. And actually if you check the
website for the tour dates, the UK tour is starting.
Yeah, the BFI have announced us as permanent residents, I think.
Is that is that enough to lose? Somebody lied to her several
times. We went to the BFI flared
though, didn't we? We went to the opening night.
We saw. We saw hunky Jesus.
Very fun. I loved it.
It was so great. It was.
I really want to RIP that off as something to do in general.
Yeah, It's basically a hot Jesus competition.
Yeah, it was great. And then I went to see Lady
Champagne the next night, which was like a drag, like Airplane
or Naked Gun. It was really funny, like loads
of stupid cum jokes. Buzzy, Buzzy Films.
Films. Other thing we're excited about,
You know who I got on the podcast this week?
Yeah, right. OK.
It's bit a bit weird, isn't it? That's my Lorraine noise.
The vacuum cleaner. Yeah.
Yeah, you somehow managed to get pop superstar Lorraine on this
episode. Yeah, OK, sure.
Why? Well, she is just such a big fan
of Troop Beverly Hills. She messaged and said I need to
come talk about Shelley Long. I love this though because you
did message me and you're like, I think I can get an interview
with Lorraine. How can we shoehorn this in on
the podcast? And I just said, who cares?
Yeah, just do. It just do it, who cares?
We're trying to make this podcast more of a thing.
Throw more at the wall, more shit at the wolves.
Hey, who knows, maybe this film thing isn't what this podcast
is. I think just keep on trying.
What was she like? She was fantastic.
Did she have the long nails? She had the long nails.
She turned up head to toe. Black leather, which is what you
expect. Yeah.
Like full like lesbian goth vibes and then.
Was the hair slightly wet and like, kind of, you know, like.
Yeah, yeah, textured. But what?
But not only did she look like that, she had an entourage of
three people who were also all in black leather.
Yes. Were you in black leather too?
I wasn't. I wasn't.
I didn't get the memo. No one told me.
I. Saw a video of you like sweatily
riding a bike with a ring line. Yeah, I did it at the Universal
like offices and you think they would have like a creator studio
there or something like some kind of setup, but no, they're
like bring your own ring light. So I was on a Lime bike with a
ring light wrapped around my neck.
At Showbiz. But so she's a big fan of the
podcast then, I take it? Yeah, she's huge fan.
A huge fan. She knew exactly what it was all
about. She knew why she was there.
She was thrilled to. Be What do you talk to her
about? I mean, we'll listen to it in a
bit, but what? Yeah, it's going to be at the
end of the episode. It's just kind of getting her
sense on camp and basically kind of teaching her what camp means.
But whatever. It was really fun.
She The funny thing that she did ask me was like, am I camp?
I didn't know you. Camp No, she was like, am I camp
about herself? OK.
And I'm like, I don't know how to answer this because it's kind
of not. It's a.
Yeah, like is that a trick question?
Yeah, it's kind of is. She like going am I camp?
Then Yeah. Am I?
Because it's I should have just leaned in and said yes, but I
was like kind of afraid of insulting.
Her. Well, it is hard to know how to
play it with Lorraine. Yeah, because she's.
I don't think she is that camp. Like I think she's got a
sincerity and which is like, you know, people resonate with she
writes like soulful bangers, right?
Like it's like emotional. I like that we've got the rain
on this I. Know, I know.
I know, I know. Who else?
What is camp is having an
entourage of three people dressed exactly the same and one
of them was constantly fixing her hair.
Like with your shitty ring light.
So no one cared about the setup, but they were like.
But there was always a man just like doing, you know, in the
comeback when he's like constantly in shot fixing her
hair. It was that it was fantastic.
And I didn't. I was like, maybe I should
address this, but I didn't want to insult the people in the.
Real. Yeah, because that's quite camp
as well. Yeah, well, I'm excited to hear
what you said to her. Yeah.
And hopefully we got some. If you're listening to this
episode because you're a Lorraine fan, the rest of this
episode has nothing to do to do with Lorraine.
Welcome. We'll try as we talk.
Let's see if we can shoehorn in Lorraine into the episode so it
makes more sense as we build to it.
That's my challenge for you. Other business, other business.
Before we get into today's episode, we had a suggestion
from Ren on Spotify. I think they said why is it
called the suggestion sack and not the fag bag?
Oh. Fag bag is pretty good.
Yeah, yeah. I mean.
We'll use them both. I still like this.
I still like to debunk that sack.
Yeah, yeah, exactly. I yeah.
It's almost like fact bag is like too accomplished for what
it is. You know what I mean?
Something really twee about the suggestion sack.
Yeah, listen, thank you. And we do welcome any format
suggestions. Absolutely, absolutely.
We've got some new Patreon members as well.
Henry and Cara. Welcome to the gay trio.
Heaven, did you say? Henry.
Henry feels like heaven, that's how.
That's a Lorraine reference. Yes.
OK, Wait on the Lorraine scoreboard tick.
That's number one, yeah. It's like heaven.
Where are they from? Sweden No.
But you're welcome. We're glad to have you.
It's great to have. You also I had this comment on
Gatrian and I'm so sorry to say I have to just read it out.
LM commented on our Black Swan episode one.
When am I going to get my member shout out?
I'm so sorry LMI. Don't even know what your name.
Is a sad existence. No, I'm sorry, I, I don't know
how that I don't know how that happened, but we're very happy
to have you and. Frankly, like you just want to
members shout out. No, and two, I hope the Liza
book is getting a special episode.
Oh, we're moving into books now, are we as well?
Shit good. We're like multi.
I am interested to kind of hear the AI version of Liza Minnelli
read her own audio book. Yeah, absolutely.
We've also that is kept on Eliza.
Yeah, maybe we should. Maybe with Eliza Book coming
out, we should finally do cabaret.
And then review the book as well and then get Liza AI an
interview Liza AI some. Random influencer doing book
promo and it was on her official page like this man with like
4000 followers. So there's you know what?
There is a world where we could get a Liza collab.
Liza AI to Co host the episode. Yeah.
Oh, no. She I.
Oh, which that one again? She.
Slipped to the gangster. I also always want to say
raspberries, but that's Carol Tanning.
Oh yeah, raspberries. Raspberries.
You know what? I told you this?
You know why Carol Channing did that?
No. So it was in the script blows
Raspberry. And she didn't know what that
meant, so she just read it out loud.
So she was supposed to go. Yeah.
And she didn't know what that what that term was.
So she just went raspberries and they kept it in.
Oh, great. OK.
It's so good. Raspberry.
Any other business? Any other business?
I don't think so. The Gatreon, Yeah, I've
mentioned it. You can sign up, It's £4 a
month. You get a bonus episode.
We would love to have you over there.
Yeah, and like, I don't know what it is, but I think we need
to give the Gatreon something else.
OK. So just leaving that as a
floater for you. There you go.
OK. Just big big, big picture, big
thoughts. There's something.
There's something there. There's definitely something
missing from all of this. But no, seriously, thank you for
purchasing your Gatron tickets. We it means a lot to us, doesn't
it? It does.
It allows us to, you know, to just add production values to
book people like Lorraine. Yeah, she's, I mean, Lorraine's
not cheap and I had to pay for that Lime bike to to Kings Cross
with that ring light. So, you know, your, your support
goes a long way. Yeah.
Help me, I'm poor. No listen.
Baby. Though before we go any further,
what the hell makes a camp classic?
Well camp classic is something that needs to unlock queer joy.
We want to get a wetty. It needs to be stupid, it should
have an ongoing legacy that informs queer pop culture.
And ultimately it needs to be anti mainstream slash underdog
flop vibes that's been reclaimed by the F slurs.
And today, these F slurs are talking Troop Beverly Hills.
Fresh out of this suggestion sack.
Fresh out of the suggestion sack from Niall.
Hello, Niall. We've got a lot to be sorry for,
Niall. Nothing can.
What's your suggestion? Sack hasn't been that successful
thus far in my opinion. Both times we've drawn the movie
and I've been like, oh, fun, yeah, looking forward to that.
And both times it's been a bit of a let down.
Well, maybe that is correct. Maybe it's not because I had a
bit of a 180 flip halfway through watching this movie.
Yeah, that's just my little teaser for where I'm going.
What's your history with this movie?
I have no history with it. Likewise, I had never seen it.
I feel like it's one of the few films of this ilk that I haven't
watched because I was very much that person that would be like,
oh God, I need a Bette Midler comedy to watch like in my 20s
or so. You just would scroll a Goldie
Hawn, Bette Midler, Shelley Long as well.
Like I've seen all of them, but this, this was one that just
kind of was there that I've never seen before and I don't
know why. Yeah, I've never seen it, I
don't think. This is the first thing I've
ever seen with Shelley Long in it.
Oh. Have you not seen the Brady
Bunch films? No.
Oh, that's interesting. Yeah.
You've not seen Money Pit? No.
Oh, OK. So you literally don't know who
she is at all. No, I loved her.
I mean, she's she's one of those ones.
She kind of had a big spur in the 80s and then it kind of went
a bit flopped Tina for her, right?
She had a big argument with Bette Midler.
They didn't like each other on set when they did a film
together. And Bette Midler was actually
meant to be in this. Disney wanted her for this,
didn't they? But yeah, she's kind of just,
you know, fizzled out slightly, but.
So you're saying Bette Midler destroyed her career?
Probably. Yeah, I wouldn't put it past.
Her. I could see Bette Midler in this
role though. Oh my God.
Yeah, yeah. Or Goldie.
Yeah. Or just any generic bloody woman
from that period of time. Yeah.
But I really liked her. She's very watchable.
She's very Valerie Cherish. Totally.
And I can completely see that Lisa Kudrow must have used her
as a reference for the way she talks, the intonation, the red
hair. Yeah.
Very Valerie Cherish.
And in this movie, she's she's also got a bit of Elvira.
Yes, yeah, I see that. And she's got a bit of Samantha
Sex and the City. There's like without the like,
slut. Yeah, OK.
Yeah, yeah. Like the looks and like you know
how like in Sex in the City, they would all all end up doing
pratfalls also. And you're like.
Does Samantha do a pratfall? They go she'd she'd Morris
things or. Maybe she'd fall over and land
on a Dick, you know what I mean? Yeah.
It's fun to just speak as
Samantha, I think. Absolutely.
I'm a trisexual, I'll try anything once.
Well, so this movie, it was directed by Jeff Canoe, sounds
like a fake name. Yeah, it definitely sounds like
a fake name. He directed Revenge of the Nerds
which I haven't seen. Nah did some of these movies.
It was written by Pamela Norris, Margaret Greco Oberman and Ava
Ostern. Freeze so written by three
women. And I write saying that it's
based on Pamela's own life. Yeah, maybe a bit.
Yeah, didn't. She like do something like this?
I thought I saw something that it was like it was based on her
experiences in a girl. That's girl, she said.
And then it was a fun dinner party story.
And then got turned into right? Yeah.
She was a writer on SNL for four years.
Oh, OK. Yeah, it had a budget of $18
million, but it was a box office bomb. 8.5 million it took.
Wow, that is a big old flop, isn't?
It that's really bad, Really fucking bad, and it's got 14% on
Rotten Tomatoes. The synopsis is Troop Beverly
Hills is hamstrung by a one joke premise, leaving this Shelly
Long comedy woefully short on laughs.
Ow. Ouch.
Were you in any of these kind of things?
You know, like, I don't know what the equivalent would have
been in Canada, but I don't think it's the wilderness girls
for. You it was Cubs and then that
would have gone. Was Cubs the earliest because we
had we had Beavers? I was a Beaver.
I did Beavers. You're right.
I was a Beavers. Yeah, I was a Beaver too.
I really wanted to be a cub but I wasn't allowed to be.
For some reason my mum wouldn't allow me to do it.
I. Think maybe I did a bit of Cubs.
Would you all right, Samantha? I did.
I put a cop. Would you?
Would you say you were an eager Beaver?
OK, great. Do you know the tagline of this
movie? No.
Brace yourself. She's hilarious, she's
captivating, she's wonderful. She's a Beverly Hills babe in
the woods, and the woods are wild with laughter.
Wow. OK.
That's a lot. That's a big promise, isn't?
It Yeah, the woods are wild with laughter.
The other tag line is when the going gets tough, the tough goes
shopping. What?
Yeah, I mean, they're struggling even with this part of it.
Yeah, I think if you can't do a good tag line for your movie, it
means you had a bad premise to begin with.
Yeah, exactly. There should be a few options if
it's got that far, yeah. Absolutely.
So this movie came out in 89, and it was part of a spate of
movies that were kind of riffing on the success of Beverly Hills
Cop. Really.
Yes, So there was. Because I can kind of see
Private Benjamin vibes. But but there was like a whole
slew of movies. Oh, just set in Beverly Hills.
Set in Beverly Hills, and so I've actually brought a small
quiz. Oh, OK, wonderful.
I want you to tell me I'm calling this quiz Beverly Hills.
What a thrill. And because, as I said, this was
part of a mini cycle of Hollywood movies that were made
after the box office success of Beverly Hills Cop, I want you to
tell me if these are real or fake Beverly Hills movies.
OK, yes. We've got Beverly Hills vamp.
Beverly Hills vamp? I'm going to presume that's
about a vampire that's in Beverly Hills.
I think it's a fun concept, yes. It is real.
Who starred in it? No one.
OK, Yeah.
Beverly Hills, Chihuahua. Yes.
Correct. Yeah, Reese Witherspoon.
Reese Witherspoon playing the Chihuahua.
Versatile. I don't it might be animated, I
don't know. I remember being on a bus in
South America once though and they played Beverly Hills
Chihuahua too. Oh, I've got a sequel.
OK, Yeah. Beverly Hills Ninja.
No. False.
It's true. Chris Farley and Beverly Hills,
Madam. Now that's something I want to
watch. I'm going to say that's not
true. It's also true they're all real.
And that one stars Faye Dunaway. What?
There's a Faye Dunaway film
called Beverly Hills Madam. She plays a high end Madam in
Beverly Hills. It's a made for TV movie from
1986 Next. Four women, each with a dream,
trapped by one who controls it all.
That's why I'm. So successful.
Faye Dunaway is the Beverly Hills Madam next.
You said you're a little trickster, aren't you?
Yeah. They're all real.
What do you like?
Should we get into the plot? Let's this movie.
The plot? The plot?
Do you want the real plot or the the actual plot?
Oh, because the actual plot is very simple.
Yeah, yeah. Have you ever?
Heard hey women don't have any self respect.
Blah blah blah girl power feminism.
Do you know what I mean? Full stop.
That's why. We started this podcast, isn't
it? What I what I will say is like,
I struggled with this movie and we'll get into it.
But like I did struggle first time I watched it, I like zoned
out. So I stopped watching it.
So I had to rewatch it. Yeah, I have thoughts about this
plot per se. You because you you texted me
and said like meh or something like that.
From the get go. Yeah.
And because we had just done striptease, which was a bit of a
slog, and we had just done mannequin, which was a bit of a
slog. I was like, OK, I need to go
into this with a positive attitude.
I need to have fun. So I, I basically went to him
with incredibly low expectations and I was like just trying to
like it, OK? Yeah.
And that helped. OK, Yeah.
And I had a nice time. Yeah, and I think I, I have a
similar feeling on my rewatch. I kind of went more in and yeah,
there's a slightly more positive outlook.
Yeah, I saw a review on Letterbox that said I promise
you'll like this movie if you promise to only watch it using
one brain cell. I think that kind of sums it up.
But let's get into this plot so we've got a nice cartoony intro.
Which used to be a camp clue and it's actually it's a red flag
for me now. As soon as I saw that, I was
like, oh, here we go. I like plot.
I like to. Stand by the Ren and Stimpy
animators, which I thought was quite cool.
Yeah, that looks great. So then we go to the Wilderness
Girls Troop HQ. Yes.
And we meet all the leaders and they're reviewing the Beverly
Hills Troop. This is like.
High stakes, High stakes. Yeah, high stakes set up those.
Girls have not sold any cookies and they have not earned any
badges and they're. Like they're down to like 6-7
members or something like that. Yeah, yeah.
And they're like, we should scrap them.
But the the nice boss lady is like, no, we're going to give
them one last try. And we've had an application for
a new troop leader. And then we get cut back and
forth to Phyllis Kniffler's application.
And we meet Phyllis Kniffler. And to be fair, excited, when I
first saw this, I was like, OK, I'm on board.
So she's listed as her as her like qualifications that she's
community minded and we get a cut of her shopping and
gossiping. Who's she gossiping with there?
Stephanie Beecham? Now Stephanie Beecham looks
fucking sensational. She looks so good.
She has made Joan Collins in Dynasty not look 80s glitzy glam
enough like it is unbelievable levels of like Beverly Hills
Madam. Yeah, it's so Beverly Hills,
Madam. It's like it's kind of Barbara
Dixon in like, I know I'm so well, like the amount of
Hairspray that this woman has. Used the hair isn't that full
either, but no, no, exactly. And you can see directly through
it. There's not a wig, there's not a
piece. It's dry.
It is going to it's like candy floss.
It's going to break off. She has a foot off her head in
all directions. And I love it because it's like
like Hollywood pre, pre crazy surgery.
So she looks older, but she's got like the nails, she's got
the glam on. And I'm just like.
Who is she? Stephanie Beech, Yeah, she, she
was in Dynasty. Yeah.
She's just like a British posh. She was.
She was a British posh actress. They're like, we need another
John Collins. Do we have?
One yeah, she's buried that yeah yeah.
And sort of has played lots of trashy TV movies and stuff in.
Her, I recognized her and like, I was like, I think, yeah,
maybe. I will say she's criminally
underused in this movie, yes, because she.
It's kind of a cameo. Really.
But whenever she appears, it's just.
Because she's playing like a romance novel writer, which is
great. I think I have no point to it.
And then she looks cool. She's she's fun from the get go.
Isn't she old Shelly? Yeah, yeah, yeah, she looks
stunning. She's got amazing hair and she.
Yeah, we see her. Just cut to her, cut to her, cut
to her. She's in a different fabulous
outfit each time. And it's like drag levels about
Oh my God, it's like crazy 80s isn't it nuts?
It's. No woman ever has ever actually
looked like this. It's very Adina, absolutely.
Fabulous. Yeah, Yeah.
With like a 80s Beverly Hills twist because like, Adina would
sometimes go sportswear, wouldn't she?
Yeah. But yeah, it's like.
Like a big pirate hat. Yeah, yeah.
Everything's with with Shelly, with Phyllis.
Everything's structured, everything's cinched.
Everything's got a bustier, like a train, A glove.
Yeah, a hat. There was always a hat.
Everything matches. It's great.
I'd say like every piece of clothing in this movie is
objectively ugly and yet wonderful.
Yes, it's maximalism, isn't it? Yeah, but they are so wonderful.
Each thing should be archived in a costume museum.
Absolutely. They are like, yeah, I was
watching it just thinking like any of those could be like a
Drag Race runway, though. Totally.
I mean, they're all yeah, they're, they all look like that
one drag queen, you know, in LA who's like, hasn't been on Drag
Race, but like always turns out the look.
Yeah, but it's like a bit kind of delta work style of drag and
it's it's great. Yeah.
It's love it. Yeah.
So it's from the get go, I'm like OK, it's ticking my boxes.
Ding, Ding, Ding, Ding, Ding. I'm like, we're going to be in
for an easy ride with this. Yep.
And Shelley Long is playing basically your classic Beverly
Hills bimbo, I guess. Yeah, yeah.
She's a socialite. She's rich.
She's materialistic. She's got Karen's made from Will
and Grace before Karen has her. Yes, I've got a fact about that.
That actress is Shelley Morrison.
She plays Rosario on Will and Grace, and she plays a maid
called Rosa. In this movie, she's portrayed a
maid or housekeeper on 32 separate occasions.
Wow. Isn't that?
I mean, I presume she's probably made an OK living out of her as
an actress, but that's fucking terrible.
Yeah, she's she's dead now, but she had actually.
It's even sadder. Yeah, she had actually just
informed her agent not to offer her any more made parts when the
call came for willing grace, and then that's the one that made
her famous. Yeah, I mean, at least in
willing Grace, she had a bit of. Power, but some bite.
Fucking hell yeah. And it's and I would say that
she's, you know, well, she's just she's just like the most
generic maid ever in this, isn't she?
I hate these portrayals in like Hollywood with any kind of maid
because they always these kind of comedies always just like
have them just fully doting and like living off of their life
and their dramas and like absolutely no personality or
life themselves. It's like.
The only thing we get from her, which I did like, was when's
Rosa back? And then she's like, oh, she's
in Mexico. Her grandmother died.
And then the kid goes again. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So that was the one sense you get that she's like, fuck this
woman. She's playing, but, yeah.
But then at the same time, you've got her like, there's
basically this woman is having, what's her name, Shelley Long's
character again, What is it? Phyllis Kniffler.
Phyllis, there we go. She's having like a shit time,
isn't she? Because her husband is going to
divorce her and she's sort of going through that.
And then Rosa is getting upset because they're arguing and it's
for fuck's sake. As if she'd care.
Yeah, exactly. Yeah, there was an opportunity
to make that made like Sassy, like like Rosario and Will and
Grace. But they just decided no.
Yeah, they're like, no, she'll be, she'll be fawning.
That's so upsetting. Phyllis Neffler is getting
divorced from her husband Freddie.
They've got a daughter. And why are they divorcing?
Well, it's because he's a workaholic and she spends too
much money. They're just, there's like a
divide. Yeah, guys, this is what
happens. They've been together for a long
enough period of time and this is just a divide happening.
I think they're divorcing because yeah, the the stated
reason seems to be that she's she shops too much.
Yeah. And then when she calls him out
for being a workaholic and maybe not present in the relationship,
he says that she had so much potential, so much greatness.
She was she was such a creative and then she basically just
wasted it on going shopping. So he's obviously has pretty low
opinions of his wife and. Yeah.
Sucks. He sucks, but then also I'm just
like, it's just like, oh, privilege, Beverly Hills people
problems. It's like, oh wow, OK.
Yeah, totally. But I'm still in.
I'm still in at this point because I'm like, I think I know
what's happening. I know where this is going.
And I'm like, I've seen this kind of movie many times.
So yeah, I'm in. I'm in.
I'm still locked in. This is going to be a camp
classic. Yeah, Phyllis, a bit more about
her, I guess. She's kind of frivolous.
Apparently, she loses interest in things quite quickly, but she
has said that she'll become the troop leader for her daughter
because she wants to have, like, bonding time with her daughter
in light of the divorce. Then we meet all the kids in the
troop. Yeah, I liked this.
There's like 8 kids. They're all like different rich
kid archetypes from Beverly Hills.
And they're like, we kind of meet them one by one.
It seems like it should be a lot, but they they do a good job
of like kind of giving all of these kids a different little
little quirk story, whatever. Each one's like a different
Spice Girl. Yeah, that's exactly right.
Yeah. They've all got very good 90s
hair, yeah. Lots of very side sweep
blowouts. A lot of side ponies.
Side ponies. This is where I thought I knew
what was happening because obviously we meet some of them,
don't we? And then one of the one of the
families that we meet, there's like a director guy who's a bit
like rough and rugged driving and he's talking about these big
ideas he's got for a film and like the daughters in the back
being like, dad, dad, you're crazy.
You're cougar. And I was just like, ah, there's
someone that's different to old Phyllis.
Ah, that's going to be the love interest.
That's what's going to happen. Things are going to happen here.
Things are going to, she's going to have a downfall.
She's going to like rough and ready it.
She's going to meet the director.
He's going to like unleash creativity in them.
They're going to end up together.
And I was like, yeah, OK, this is what's happening.
You're giving this movie way too much no that.
Doesn't happen. Doesn't.
It. But I thought he was the plant.
I was like, there's the love interest, there's the new
exciting guy, the one that's going to kind of shake her out
of this like mold, shake her out of this like materialistic
privilege is going to kind of get to the root.
So I was kind of, it's a bit like overboard with.
Golden Dawn. Yeah.
Oh, right. That's what I was, sort of, no.
No shout out to like the racist cop scene.
Oh, straight away a cab. Yeah, yeah, it's interesting.
Like there's a black family who are in the troupe and they're
all rich, but they get pulled over and the movie is kind of
making a point to be like, these guys are getting pulled over
because they're black and then they kind of don't, you know who
I am out of their way, out of the situation.
Well, the kids does. The kid does, yeah.
I thought it was kind of interesting to, like, show that.
I don't, I don't know if the movie was trying to make a point
or not. But if I don't know if the movie
was trying to be like, isn't it funny?
I don't know. Yeah, And it's like, I don't
know, I kind of loved, hated the little girl, like, just because
she's like super sassy, but in a very like stereotypical super
sassy black girl way. But she's kind of is still
amazing. She's just like, now daddy,
shake this man's hand and let him be on his way.
And I'm like, you're performing the fuck out of this young lady.
But I'm like, so yeah, I kind of was like, OK.
Yeah. And then that's where we meet
Stephanie Beach. Him again.
Yeah. And so she's asking for advice
from a kid about how to, like, help her steaming.
Yeah, she's like, what? His pulsating.
Manhood rising into a frenzy and then she's like, ah, yes, but
with a slight tweak, rising into a tulsating frenzy.
And again I'm like, I'm like, yes, this.
I'm like, what are we watching? Yeah, sex positive.
And again, doesn't the kid suggest the word manhood?
Yeah, the kid comes up with the line.
She just adds sating to it. So again, so again.
But I am a bit like, who was this film for?
It's an adult comedy then. Yeah.
And then I don't think it is. It's very mannequin in that way.
Yes, yeah, you're so right. I had the same note.
Like what? Who is this movie for?
Is it a kids movie? It's hard to tell.
Yeah, at this stage, especially hard to tell.
Pulsating manhood. So then she's hosting.
She's basically hosting a little get together for all of these
rich kids. She's got caviar and stuff.
This outfit is very like typical of her.
She looks like an Easter basket. Yes, she does.
Pennies, feathers, flowers, hat. Yeah.
And she's all, she's all down for, like leading the troop,
isn't she? But then this is where we find
out that the kids, no one believes in them.
No one believes in them. They're, they're the underdogs,
these rich kids, cow, you know, like the Mighty Ducks or we've
seen the story before of the underdog kids.
Well, these ones. Are.
Yeah, these ones are rich. Yeah, they are like, they are
super, super rich. Like, this is like, the ultimate
flaw of this is like that we're meant to feel sorry for these,
like, incredibly privileged kids.
Yeah, yeah, it's it's a bizarre choice.
And The thing is, it's like their problems aren't even that.
Like when they do have a problem, like there's one
problem, there's one kid that her dad is like a jobbing actor.
So she doesn't quite have the money that the others have, but.
Yeah, they had money, but he's lost it all kind of vibes.
He's a struggling being actor now.
But like it's, you know, she can't afford something, so it's
like someone's just like I'll pay for.
It Yeah. What are the other arcs for the
rest of the kids? Well, the they.
Do all have like a tiny 1? Yeah, but that it's microscopic.
Yeah. Anyway, we're meant to feel bad
for these children. I mean, kids have problems,
sure. But yeah, it is an odd, it's an
odd ploy for sympathy. As we.
Watch them all drive up in like incredibly fancy sports cars or
literal limousine. You know when you see like,
classic cars doing like the drives and like people are
standing there like looking at how amazing the cars are, it's
very MTV Cribs. But yeah, no one believes in
them. Their troop leaders keep
leaving. They don't even have their
Wilderness Girl uniforms because no one's even bothered to take
them shopping for. That, but also they don't
believe in uniforms because they're that fucking like, yeah,
privilege. They argue everything.
So they're like, it's, you know, going to stop us from losing our
identity. That's like me at the flare
opening when I wouldn't put on my wristband.
Yeah, you were. Refusing to do that.
Didn't go with my outfit. So she takes them to get their
troop uniforms, and Phyllis isn't happy because it's ugly.
Oh, it's it's ugly, cocky, the material is terrible, the fits
really bad. So she takes her uniform to her
gay friend in. A panic running.
Yeah, quite fun. And next we see she's at the
troop leader meeting and she's had her look tailored.
She's got a matching Cape. It's a fantastic look.
Yeah, it looks. Great.
Like, there's been some real attention to that outfit.
Like, she looks spectacular. But also, I love it.
She's late to this thing. She's.
She's just started. She enters smoking.
And then she literally as the person speaking, is like,
talking over them and like getting in the way.
And she wonders why they don't like her.
Yeah. Yeah, she's already falling
afoul of Velda Plunder, who is one of the other troop leaders
now. Velda.
She's bold, like coated. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, she's like real classic 80s villain.
Yeah, and like, played by like a faceless actor.
Like I don't know what she's been in before.
She quit after this and moved on.
No, she became a director and she's been working ever since.
Oh yeah, fair play to her. Yeah, can't.
Remember her name? So sorry to that woman, but but
she's yeah, like she's kind of like the evil principal in like
the you know how there was principals always hate kids.
You're like, why are you this in this job?
It's like she's also, yeah, she's a troop leader.
She hates children, she hates privilege.
She's ex army. She's tough as nails.
She's got a real fucking chip on her shoulder.
She runs that troop like it's the Marines.
Which is how you should run a troop.
They go on their first camp out unless you've got something
between. Well, it well is this where we
well we get a bit of a glimpse into home life as well for
Phyllis? Yes.
So, yeah, so the divorce storyline, which is actually the
key storyline of this film, it's not actually about kids.
It's not about Beverly Hills. It's not about, you know,
wilderness brownies. No, it's about divorce, Yeah.
And the impact of divorce. So and while she is with her
daughter, she she looks out the window and notices that is a
mighty fine piece of ass heading to the guest house, which is
where he's living. Yeah, for that.
He's seeing Lisa, who is hot, younger and basically, you know,
he's having his midlife crisis and fucking her.
So we're seeing her react to that.
And it's basically like he's a shit, but he's a cute shit.
She's, she's disgusting with her daughter.
And essentially they're saying he's going through a phase at
the moment. And that is how they've decided
to land on this storyline, isn't it?
It's like dad is just going off the rails.
It's what happens and he's going through a phase.
I hate men. I do like her with the
binoculars at the window and she does like a comedy fall off the
balcony. I liked it.
Yeah, I liked it. But yeah.
And again, like blame, that's the first thing we should do is
blame the other woman. Oh my God.
Yeah, yeah, we should belittle her fake tits.
Yeah, all of that happens. I.
Mean. That's just like the rules of
feminism. I love the other woman though.
Even though she's just going into a relationship with a man
that's getting a divorce. So obviously she's the villain
of this storyline and not him. She's great though.
She's. Great.
She does. Brilliant.
Yeah. And she's she's just a punch bag
for the entire movie. Totally, she's giving what's her
face from mannequin. Oh, Roxy.
She's giving Roxy. Yeah, very Roxy.
OK, then we've got the first camp out, so Phyllis takes the
girls camping. It's everything's kind of done
for them. The girls don't really know what
they're doing. Why are we here?
They're reading magazines and then it starts to rain.
And so they panic and go to the Beverly Hills Hotel.
Yeah, And I mean, I guess I'll give it.
I'll give it credit here. This is where you're seeing that
Shelly is, like a good comedy actress, like, really physically
throwing herself into it. Like when she's wearing the
white fur and it's raining and she's trying to save the fondue,
She's like, covered in mud. She, like, resembles a wet dog
by the end of it. And you're like, wow, actually,
she's skilled at this. Yes.
So she takes them to the hotel. They have like a cute time
together, but Velda's not happy about this and she's like, you
need to quit. You're not cut out for this.
You can't just take them to the hotel.
She hates these rich bitches, basically.
But Phyllis is undeterred. And she's going to get these
girls some merit badges, and she comes up.
And she just wants to buy them, doesn't.
She wants to buy them. Where do I buy those?
She's going to get those girls merit badges.
So she customizes her own and takes.
And then we get a montage of the girls earning merit badges for
things like jewelry appraisal, like styling, learning how to do
the twist. Like there's a dance, there's
like a. Whole montage and then they all
get like a record amount of badges, don't they?
It's like, this is where I started getting a bit bored.
I wrote down a time code. I think it was 43 minutes in,
43.21 seconds in. And it was the same with the
first time around. I was watching.
I was like, I am just bored. I want the tropes.
Where are the tropes? She should not be continuing
being high flying in these comedies.
What would have happened by now is she would have been so good
at like doing them. It's like, oh, you've done so
great, we're sending you to these girls and this is where
you need to go or something like that, which would basically
strip her of all of her status. Yeah, or she loses all her money
and so she has to. Now we're seeing her without any
means. And how is she going to cope
with that? Just like having to deal with
the other side, like, and that's normally what would happen in
these films. And I think that's something I
kind of enjoy. It's like just a trope you feel
with do you know what I mean? And it's, and then it's just
sort of oh, how does the like super privileged, super like
vacuous woman deal in the real world with real kids that aren't
going to be like hanging off her every word and like, and they
just don't do that. No.
And so therefore, it's it's a bit like that review said that
the thing I get why it's just a bit one note because it's
already one note. But there's like, what is the
jeopardy? The jeopardy of this film is
what's going on with her husband.
That's it. Who cares?
I'm sorry, I think it's whether or not they're going to be able
to sell 1000. Cookies.
Oh, OK, sorry. That is a high stakes plot
point. Because then we also get we get
like another bit where they go back and it's with Phyllis and
her daughter and another shot of Lisa going in a car and it's
like, I guess he's divorcing both of us.
It's like the whole the whole heart of these young women and
these women that she's leading is just the sadness of dads
leaving us. Yeah, yeah.
It's like one of those early, well, it's not even that it's
89. Like, there's been a lot of
media about divorce by this point, but yeah, it doesn't
quite, it hasn't quite figured out like there could be a
feminist angle to all of this. Well, this is something I when I
was struggling at the boredom point about like is this camp?
I like you know, asked googled it like to try and say like an
argument and then like some AI answer came saying it was it was
praised for its feminist values. I was like what the fuck are the
feminist values? I've got thoughts about that.
OK, Yeah, we'll get there. We'll get there.
We'll get to it. But yeah, it's an interesting
era, isn't it, for divorce. I feel like there were lots of,
like, these kind of films in the 80s and early 90s where like,
young kids as part of their storyline.
It's like, how do we save mum and dad's marriage?
It's like, listen up, kids. Divorce is a good thing.
Yeah. Where did where?
Did everyone realize that actually divorce is the best
option? Well, he says it in this movie,
doesn't he? He's like, And you'll be a lot
less neurotic if you've got happily divorced parents instead
of unhappily married ones. Which is actually true.
Yeah, it is actually true. Yeah.
I mean, the rest of the plot
does just progress how you think.
The girls are kind of presented with obstacles.
Will they overcome them or will they not?
The big one though, as you just said though, is they need to
sell. Well, it's not Girl Scouts,
because Girl Scouts did did not want to align themselves with
this movie. The Wilderness Girl cookies.
So in order to attend the annual Wilderness girl Jamboree for
plot reasons, they have to sell 1000 boxes of cookies.
So it's just like, what plot reason can there be to make this
other plot thing happen? Who cares?
But they, I mean, they're struggling to sell the cookies.
Well, I mean, they're not really, are they?
Because Stephanie Beecham, when she does pipe head, she's
literally like, why don't we just buy all of the cookie
boxes, which is just what they could do.
Yeah. It's like, she's like, why are
we doing this? Stephanie Beecham is us.
Yeah. She's like, why are we going
through all of this? Like we could literally just buy
them all now and then we can just have a lovely evening.
No, instead they do a cookie song on the street which I'm
rodeo Dr. This. Is what I will say I started to
warm up again to the film when I really.
Yeah, because it reminded me of which came after Sister Act 2,
back in the habit. When they do, they're like big.
They're singing on the streets, trying to make money and stuff.
They might be the first sister act.
Oh. No.
And out around the world. And she does her James Brown and
they get the community in and they're performing on the stage.
But no. So we have this like young, the
young firecracker black girl, Yeah, in a very cheap Tina
Turner wig. And they're singing the cookie
song and. The crowd is going wild.
And The thing is, they've obviously been able to shut down
Rodeo Dr. or wherever it is because they've got that much
fucking money. And again, the whole setup of
putting that on would have been more than what the cookies cost.
But it doesn't matter. No, they will say selling
cigarettes. They're not just selling
cookies. They go around restaurants,
they're selling cookies. Cigarettes, they're selling.
I was like, that's quite. Calm.
That's funny. Phyllis always has a cigarette,
which I love. In a holder.
You don't get that anymore. And then Phyllis hosts a big
star-studded gala and fashion show.
And this is where they sell 4000 boxes of cookies.
Because I know, listener, you're wondering how many cookies?
They and again, putting on that fucking fashion show.
I mean the amount of money that has been spent on this sanity
project. Cookies.
Yeah, it's. Like.
There's a lot of 80s celeb cameos here, but yeah, they've
sold enough cookies to qualify for the Jamboree.
Thank God I. Know because it's you were
worried a side note to the fashion show.
I was kind of into it. I don't think I've really seen
like khaki and silver lame together when I was like, that's
quite maybe that's like a forward fashion forward trend
alert. Yeah, the gold Lemay Cape is
very nice. Yeah, Yeah.
And then later in that night, she's got the like blue and pink
corset top, which kind of looks like the.
Trans flag. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's nice. She does another fall.
She falls into a fountain. She this woman falls a lot.
She's firing herself into it. But yeah, she does a big a big
gala because they've sold over 4000 things.
So they're another big party to celebrate handing over, excuse
me, handing over the check. Oh yeah, I'm mashing up the 2
girls. They basically they've smashed
all wilderness girl records ever.
How have they done that? Meanwhile the other fucking
wilderness girls are out there doing it the real way, door to
door. Yeah, they might be cheating.
They might be like going on different people's turfs and
territories, you know, sorry, but they are out there hustling
and grinding. Meanwhile, the Beverly Hills
troops, they are absolutely backed by this endless cash
flow, money making machine. Of course they're going to sell
everything. This is privilege at its finest,
people. Yeah, I don't.
I'm not buying the They overcame adversity and use their creative
ingenuity and like gumption to really do something special.
No, they've just been handed it on a plate.
And then even even at this. And meanwhile as well, the
baddie has sent one of her sidekicks to, like, spy on them,
hasn't she? But she's even getting seduced
by the Beverly Hills lifestyle. Why wouldn't you?
Why wouldn't you want to just be her friend?
Yeah. And the bit I did like with
that, with those Stephanie Beecham, like she's getting,
she's getting like ideas for her next saucy escapade, doesn't
she? She's got a dictaphone out.
Oh, yeah. It's like it looks like a good
party, but really it's a black tie jungle and.
Oh, I wrote. I'm like why does it say black
tie jungle in my? Yeah, that's what she so she's
like. And again, I'm like, I want to
go to her story. Yeah, because I want to see her
struggles to write her next erotic thriller.
Because did you see what one of her books was called Malibu
Bitch when she did her signing? And I'm like, why are we not
focusing on Stephanie? Let me beat him in this movie.
I just want to know. I don't care about these fucking
Girl Scouts. Get me to her.
She's out there putting in the research, fucking around Beverly
Hills and writing all of these books.
A. Malibu bitch, it's so good.
But if you can't, if you can't tell already, essentially what
is happening now is a lot of yadda yadda yadda yadda yadda
yadda. Like we are like out yadda ring
ourselves now. Something I did find funny
though. So all of this shit goes on, but
essentially what is happening is we are getting Phyllis back with
Fred, her husband, and they're having a heart to heart at the
party. And I'm like, he's gay here
because he's like, there's something different about you.
I don't know. There's something a bit softer.
And I'm like, is he referring to her softer beat?
Because she's got like a little, you know, baby blue eyeshadow.
She's like looking a lot less harsh.
And I'm like, he's just commenting on her makeup while
she's in the trans flag dress. He's like, yeah, he's proud of
her because he can see that. Like, she's really committing to
something. She's working hard.
And then she's coming alive with that.
She's like, Oh my God, it's happening.
And he's like, I want, you know, there's something I wanted to
talk to you about. Yeah, and she thinks they're
going to get back together. And he says he wants joint
custody of their daughter. Oh my God.
Bombshell. Yeah, that's when she falls on
the fountain. Yeah, it's very Carrie Bradshaw,
very Sex in the City. Like, oh, I've something
embarrassing has happened to me, and then I fall.
You just don't get it. So, yeah.
So that that's like a key plot point, yeah.
She then goes on a Bender with Evion water.
It's hard to imagine a time when Evion was considered that fancy.
Do you know what I mean? It's.
Like, yeah, like she's got a crate of evion and it's like,
right. Yeah, there's like 30 empty
bottles of Evion lying around her bedroom.
Did you find that funny? Not really, no.
Because I'm like, that's the problem with it, isn't it?
Because it's like, and I think they quote someone like like
pass me another bottle and it's like, that's a quote from a
film. I can't remember what the quote
is, but it's just. Didn't quite work, but it's also
like it's. So basically if you've not
watched it, she's rather than drinking alcohol, she's just
there's empty everyone bottles all over her bedroom.
She's she's, you know, she's absolutely freaking out and
she's having a meltdown. She's drinking everyone.
But like, yeah, it's just like. It's everyone.
It's kind of, it's like, OK, if you think about it as a kids
movie, like that's a funny joke for a kids movie, but you're is
this a kids movie? That's the thing that I don't
really understand. Velda's still bullying her.
This is also why she's gone on this Bender because she's
Velda's like, you should quit. You suck.
I would so be here for those two had like a lesbian relationship.
Imagine that's how this movie ended.
Because it's like power play sex games, isn't it really?
Because basically what's happened is you've got your bull
dyke leader, she's in charge, runs the show, tight ship.
Then we've got this like wild, naughty, privileged woman
coming. Hello, Princess.
Yeah, like shaking things up and she doesn't like it, but at the
same time she's excited by the way she's pushing her buttons.
Yeah, it's not that, though. That's how I would recast it and
remake it that. Would be so much better because
you're about to find out how this ends.
So we cut to the like final set piece.
We're at the Jamboree, the annual Jamboree, and it's like
an outdoor cross country challenge for all of the girls.
Yeah, orienteering. Yeah.
The evil Red Feather Troop. They trick Troop Beverly Hills,
misdirecting them into a snake infested swamp.
Well, snake infested, there's a snake.
A snake. Luckily A skunk scares them into
running through a shortcut and they end up qualifying.
First backfires on the red feathers.
Then the next day Velda cheats again.
They cross a rope bridge and then she cuts it behind her so
that Troop Beverly Hills can't get across and so.
Oh, and then and then Velda tries to take them on a shortcut
and ends up falling and breaking her ankle.
Yeah, and then her daughter leaves her.
But she would do. You'd just be like, oh, fuck
you, wouldn't you? We're gonna win.
Yeah, So, yeah, because. And that's just really
demonstrating, like, how they don't really have any team
spirit or camaraderie, do they? They're just, like, willing to
abandon their own mother in the woods with a broken ankle.
But the broken bridge doesn't stop Troop Beverly Hills.
Shelley gets the bridge repaired.
She has to walk across a log. Yeah.
So this is the big set piece of the movie.
Everyone. The final like sort of final
moment of the film is there's a log across a bit of a like.
A ravine. Ravine and it's like she's
scared of heights and they they call back to her falling out of
a window earlier but like we really don't get that she's
scared of heights but no, it's the big thing.
She's scared of heights. Her daughter who's a gymnast
wants to do it and is ready to take on the balance beam.
She's like no, no, no, I'll do it and she's starting to walk
over this this log and then it gets a bit scary.
She nearly falls and then her daughter comes to rescue her
daughter gets her foot stuck and then they basically just walk
over. I don't even know why I'm
dragging that out. They walk over a fucking log
everyone. It's low stakes.
They fix the bridge. They find Velda.
And this is where this is where a line that I liked because
they're like, should we help Velda or should we just win?
And then because Phyllis has learnt about being a wilderness
girl is actually about asking responsibly to the kids,
etcetera. What should we do?
So she offers up. Should we leave her hair to be
toyed with? Lonely mounted men?
All right, Phyllis. To be raped by Lonely Mountain
it that would not be the first thing I would assume would be
happening in this situation, by the way.
Also the snakes, the mountain men of what?
Beverly Hills of LA. But then they decide they're
going to save her. Yes.
So they drag her through the woods.
The red feathers actually finish first, and they're like, woo, we
won. But because they don't have a
troop leader with them, they actually haven't finished.
And so then here comes Troop Beverly Hills over the finish
line, taking victory. The girls did it.
I bet you didn't think they could Listeners.
But more importantly. More importantly than that.
Fred's there. Freddy's there and wow, he is so
impressed with how much Phyllis has changed that he agrees to
take her back. And of course, she's willingly
open armed, like, oh, I'm so glad I've made you happy.
I'm so glad I was able to change sufficiently for you.
Yeah. And then that's it.
The end. Yeah, I mean, I wrote down about
halfway through like, she better not end up with this fucking
man. Yeah, because there was a moment
where she was like watching an advert of him and he, she's
like, oh, he's such a shit, but he's a cute shit.
Like this better not be setting up them getting back together.
It's very disappointing. Very disappointing because,
again, like, you know, I was saying about how desperate I was
for her to, like, fall off her status and then not to be a big
thruster. That didn't happen.
But I was like, at least we can rely on the fact that she's
going to meet someone else. And that's why I was like that
director guy. It's going to be him.
He's good looking. He's a bit different to her.
She's going to find someone. Yeah, but no.
I didn't need her to meet someone else and it hadn't
occurred to me. The director thing I but I
thought the story was going to be she finds her strength and
independence. Yeah, and just.
And and her own power and is like.
So and you know, and then. He's all of.
These rich bitch kids have learned well, what have they
learned? They've learned nothing.
Privilege wins. Money wins is what we've learned
from the situation. Maybe a bit of sisterhood.
Yeah, maybe a bit, yeah, But yeah.
And so that's what they've learned.
And in doing this as well, she's also learned I don't need him.
And actually he's been holding me back.
And if I'm going to shop, it's because I want to shop and it's
I'm going to have a fabulous career and.
Yeah, like I expected him to come crawling back and by that
point for her to have been like, oh, actually fuck you.
Yeah, you suck. That would have just been very
satisfying and also predictable. I wanted.
That it's the most predictable thing, and yet somehow it does
something even worse, which is yeah, they get back together.
So basically he's just been fucking Lisa.
Yeah. And having a bit of a wobble,
Yeah. And leaving her with the kids
and, like, just going off doing his own thing.
And then when he's had enough of Lisa, he just comes back and
she's just like, oh, thank God you're back.
And our family is back together. It feels.
The lesson is, ladies, if you're listening, if he doesn't love
you, just work on yourself. Reductive.
And until he does, yeah, until he does, just keep trying to
change yourself to. Please.
And again, it really reminded me of it reminded me of Bette
Midler in the First Wives Club because that's essentially what
happens to her in it as well. Now again, you're just like, no.
Yes, you're so right. There's.
More than one person out there that hold.
There's one person for me. Bullshit.
No. Yeah.
You have to lay it low and spread it wide.
There's more out there for you. Get it, get it, get it.
Fuck around, hang out more with your mates.
She is like the good time girl she is going around Beverly
Hills a fucking everyone writing about these sordid escapades.
Go buy all of the fucking cookies.
Let the kids hang out in a hotel.
And next to Miami, bitch, yes. Become Miami bitch.
Go to Miami. Lay it Low and Spread it Wide
could be the title of My Autobiography.
It's so good. Yeah.
It is very disappointing. I mean, and the the whole
privilege of this movie. Yeah, it's it is like, it is a
choice to try and make me care about these kids.
That said, I think this movie is in like a lineage of like your
bimbos. It's got a bit of Romeo and
Michelle. It's got a bit of of and it's
got a lot of Legally Blonde. Yes.
You got into Harvard Law? What?
Like it's hard, but I guess the. Point of this movie is not that
like her commercialism is bad. Yes almost.
And I mean there is a argument to be made about commercialism.
Well, again, she's she's eccentric.
Yeah. Like, she's definitely like, not
your run-of-the-mill type of person.
And with all of those incest. Incest.
In incest eccentricity. Yeah, She doesn't change who she
is at any point. Yeah, she sticks true to who she
is. And if that is because she's too
fancy and too kind of like kooky dooky with all of her money, she
doesn't change. Yeah.
And so that's kind of the the feminist perspective, I would
say on this, if you like squint. But in Legally Blonde, like the
same thing happens where her shitty boyfriend comes crawling
back but she's like fuck you I don't need to.
And like, she's learned her own value and her own self worth and
that's. Also illegally blonde.
Yeah, she does have like she she does excel and is excellent
within her job while maintaining her fabulous Beverly Hills.
So there is that. It's like an added layer.
Well. You have to, you have to take,
you have to believe this movie when it says that them winning
the Jamboree is her excelling and her walk across that log is
excelling and her taking them for jewelry appraisals is
excelling. You have to believe that
narrative because it is trying to.
I think a movie is trying to say, like, do you?
It's great. Yeah.
Like, don't be ashamed of, I don't even want to say like
feminine things because it's like such a weird version of
femininity. And it's like so hyper and like
it's kind of bimbo, but it's like, you know, it's like be a
bimbo. It's cool.
Be rich. Be you.
Yeah. Like it.
Because it's just like we are so rich.
We can do whatever we want, when we want to, how we want to.
Like, you know, like what's the worst thing that happens?
They get, they go to a bog. Yeah.
The other thing I was wondering about, like, you could also
imagine a version of this movie where she's, like, a real bitch.
Like, she's Goldie Hawn and Overboard at the beginning of
the movie. She's disinterested in her
daughter. She's very superficial, shallow.
And like, the movie is about her learning to let go of that
stuff. Yeah, it's kind of interesting.
It doesn't do that. And like, she doesn't really,
like, she loves her daughter from the beginning.
She's just a bit flighty. Yeah.
Like, she's a good mother. Who cares?
Like it's kind of interesting that it doesn't paint her as
this like bad guy ever. No, she doesn't have a like a
floor, She doesn't. There's nothing and.
That's kind of the Legally Blonde of it all as well.
You know what I mean? In one way, it would be more
satisfying if she had that journey, but I can also imagine
them doing it that way and me being like me being frustrated
with the movie for that as well. So like, it kind of couldn't
win. That's true.
But I don't know, I just, I would have liked a bit more of
like a bit more of a journey, some sort of journey.
There's no journey at all. Yes.
Or like just have a real like make her have a real struggle.
Yeah, yeah, really rough it out at the end or something cool.
She should have had not rich kids assigned to her and she
should have had to use her like rich skills with them and like
they all would have learned. They would have learned a lesson
from each other, you know? Yeah, it's tried and tested, but
like, it's like every single film To Wong Fu.
Yeah, They, they there's a teachable moment.
Yeah, there's like a sharing. They kind of, you know, like in
To Wong Fu, the drag Queens become like, more humanized and
more aware of, like, situations, but then they learn and spread
fabulosity with the. Yeah, there's like no exchange.
It's like we're rich. And we're still rich.
Yeah, and we win. And we don't even need the
shitty trophy that all of you have been training so hard for.
Yeah, it doesn't matter to us. And.
For Velda ends up working at fucking Kmart.
Yeah, and she literally is just doing her job.
But yeah. If the movie were braver, you
could call it like or smarter. You'd be like.
This is an interesting analysis of class in America.
The movie is not the. Case I will say one thing like I
really didn't enjoy the film the first time like I hated it.
I would go as far as saying and I do think maybe it's because
it's just not a nostalgic thing for me and I think that is just
something to bear in mind. I think with a lot of these
films because I think when you grow up with stuff and you've
kind of got that like warmth and you're a bit you're a bit you
think about things or you don't think about things at all when
you're younger and you just enjoy it for what it is.
That does kind of help you with these films and I think going
cold to something like this, it's just like I'm wasting my
life watching this. I just was like what is the
point? Yeah.
So because you had said, because I knew that was going and I did
try very hard to be kind to this movie, watching it.
And as a result, like it did go down pretty easy.
Like it doesn't have a lot of it, doesn't have a lot going on.
It's not a particularly thoughtful movie, but like the
star, is really endearing and watchable.
And that's the thing, I watched it on a Sunday morning for my
second, and actually Sunday morning I was in a slightly more
chill headspace. It wasn't like after a busy day,
it was. And I was like, actually, this
is just really gentle and silly and pretty to look at and kind
of a bit kooky. I was like, get over myself.
Yeah. But I think it's the same as
when we do drag as well. I think it's like if you do a
Pride gig, are you actually enjoying in the sweltering heat
getting everyone down on the floor to I want to dance
somebody and then jumping up while everyone's got like
rainbow CS on their faces? Are you actually enjoying that?
No, you're not. Do you hate everything about it?
Probably. But there are people out there
enjoying it, so who am I to shit on them?
You just got to go with it. And that's what I think with
some of these films, it's like people love them.
Do I love them? No, that they probably are camp
and fun to those people. It's a very much on paper, you
could really make the argument for this movie being very camp,
like the fashion, the the Shelley Long of it all the like
arch villain who's lesbian coded.
Yeah. They're like there's some jokes
that are kind of funny, like the pratfalls are funny.
Like, yeah, it it it works for what it is.
Yeah, definitely. It's just it's not like a big
thinker. No, but then I don't want it to
be that every film that we talk about has to be a big thinker.
Like Dumb is Fun. Yeah, you just want.
But like. You want a subversion, and this
is like at least subversion. Imagine if Pamela Anderson was
doing this film in the 90s, right?
I think I'd be more interested in that.
Do you know what I mean? It's like hot Pammy.
Like House Bunny. Yeah, yeah.
House Bunny is great fun. Yeah, yeah.
That's the same story. This story is tailors all the
time. This story has been told many,
many times. But again, you know a Goldie
Hawn and I suppose it didn't go more down that road.
Private Benjamin. You see her having to actually
get in the nitty gritty of it all and she gets like mucky.
And then she shows that she's learned all of these amazing
skills and it's kind of like, go you.
There's more to you than this. There isn't more to her than
this. No, but at the movies maybe kind
of saying like that's OK, Yeah, I don't know.
Privilege wins. Privilege wins.
It's very third wave feminism. You know, it's just like you
can, you can just be a woman and that's great.
Yeah. And like, you can have your hair
and nails done and that does not make you a bad person or a bad
feminist. It OH.
Yeah, getting back with your shitty husband does, yeah.
I mean, that's just like the rules of feminism.
I also saw this letterbox review, which I think kind of
sums it all up. I'm not wholly uncritical of
this movie because it kind of villainizes more masculine
constructions of womanhood as seen in Velda's character.
But I guess it's also trying to combat the notion that you can't
be feminine and strong. But it's also slimy that we're
asked to sympathize, sympathize with the troops underdog status
because the implication is that they're all ostracized because
they're so rich. But I also love the 80s Beverly
Hills fantasy glam life, and Shelly Long plays it so well.
And the message of that it's OK if you're not outdoorsy was
influential to me. I don't know this movie is a
bop, but it's a non problem. It's not an unproblematic bop,
but it's hard as also in the right place for championing
girls. But it could also be improved
upon. We're only championing a
specific depiction of girlhood, but also one where we can only
do so much. Round of applause.
Yeah, we should get them on the podcast.
They really summed it up. I've just, I've just worked out
how I would say save this movie though.
Yes, and 100% this is what I would do.
I would just switch who the main character is.
And I know I've been banging on about Stephanie Veitchan, but
imagine if it's an erotic, sexy writer that is taking on and she
has to do it. And her goofy sidekick, fabulous
friend Phyllis is part of it as well, but as more of a kind of
sidekick role. That makes so much sense.
It just needed A twist. It needed to be something
unexpected. It needed some sex in it.
Really. Like, it needed to be House
Bunny, where it's like a former Playboy star.
Yeah, is now in this situation. And that's funnier.
Yeah. And what does she learn by also
becoming, like, the troop lead with the wilderness girls?
Like what does she learn about herself?
She doesn't learn anything. I guess.
Never giving up on your husband. He's going to stray.
He's going to stray ladies, he's going to leave you.
He's going to find someone younger.
He's going to go for a midlife crisis but don't want to.
He'll come back. If you persevere and better
yourself, he'll he'll come back. Does that happen in Bridget
Jones too? I don't.
I don't think I've ever watched Bridget Jones all the way
through and I won't for this podcast FYI.
Oh, what about? What about Muriel's wedding?
He does that and then the mum doesn't, the mum die and it's
really sad. Can't remember, but probably I
can't remember OK. I don't think there's much else
to say. No, I think we've done well to
talk about it this much. Yeah.
Let's rate this movie Merrells and Lizas.
How? How many Merrells?
How? What is the quality of this
movie? 1 to 10.
OK. Shelley Long is funny in the
sense that she's a skilled comedy actor.
Yeah, I like the costumes that I like.
The mention that you had of the 80s fantasy, it was giving me
that. But I mean, there's no plot.
There's no storyline. It's just like money has been
spent on this as well, but like, no care.
It's a really good representation of the story
they're telling. There's like money there, but
it's dead. You're so right.
I'm going to. I'm Stephanie beat him.
Yeah, but we're not talking. I'm going to give it 2.
OK. I think I'll go a little higher.
I think for what it is, it's medium successful.
It's mid tier of what it's trying to be, Yes.
OK, you've seen much better versions of this movie.
You could imagine worse ones. I'm going to give it a four.
OK, fair enough. Yeah, groundbreaking.
Eliza's How camp is this movie? Well, to lots of people, this is
probably a very camp film. Yeah, I struggle.
If I'm bored of a film, then it's just like, I can't be
saying it's camp if I'm bored. I think for like the 1st 20
minutes, I'm going to, I'm going to give it something.
And I think Shelley Long also deserves something.
It's kind of like middle of the road for me.
And if you're in the right frame of mind and like, yeah, you're
on, you're hungover. It's Sunday morning.
Oh, it's great if you're hungover.
Absolutely. I think it's a 5.
Yeah, I was. I thought you were going to go a
little bit higher. Actually, it's definitely not.
I can't go under the camp radar. It's not consistently camp
enough. Yeah.
And I think, I don't know, I like to think the people that
really enjoy camp culture are a bit smarter than this.
It's a bit dumb dumb camp for me.
Yeah, it's a it's, it's like pretty like fun to look at camp.
But it's drag brunch, Yeah. It's like, you're gonna love
this. It's like.
There's nothing subversive about this movie.
There's no. There's no.
Stephanie beat him. Sure, yeah, but.
She. She.
But she's so criminally underused that like, yeah, you
just, you see a taste of her. You're like, oh, why isn't this
more? Definitely.
And so you can't really get queer joy from a story about,
like, a rich woman trying to get back with her husband.
Very like I'm Diane Keaton. OK.
ROP I could imagine Diane Keaton playing this role.
Yes. Yeah, I can act.
Oh, God, yeah. But no, it's a shame because I,
I'm a fan of Shelley Long. I don't know all of her films,
but I do think she's a talented person.
Yeah, but I also get why this is part of I think this when you
look at her IoD and B, this is like the start of the decline of
her career and I. Think then she ended up in Brady
Bunch, right? And yeah, that was.
Did well and then declined again, yeah.
I think she's excellent in this movie, though, like, and she's
much better than the material. Yeah, she elevates the whole
thing. Yeah.
So like, good on her. But yeah, I will say I would
love, I think for a while we need to put to rest this, this
genre of 80s comedy because it is not giving me what I need at
the moment. Been very disappointed.
I'm I'm very disappointed with those girls, with Kim Cattrall,
with Shelley Long Mannequin, this they are letting the side
down. Yeah, we need something like.
Supergirl. Yeah, now that's subversive.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, it definitely need a little
break from the the 80s romps. Yeah, I'm sorry, because I know
lots of people like them, lots of people are loving them at the
moment. But you know.
Maybe we just need like a whole new genre.
Do we need an action movie or something?
Yeah, I think we need to go down that route for a little bit,
that fantasy, because it's just like, The thing is, I think the
whole point of this podcast is there's lots of films that like
on the surface level, you could just go that's camp, that's
camp, that's camp, that's camp. And then it's like, yeah, they
kind of are. But like I want like.
Yeah, and that's why this is a 5.
I want like quirky, weird camp choices.
We need to take a risk just putting out there.
Well, someone did send me. Actually.
What? Someone, someone sent me.
This is a suggestion. This might be too risky.
We need some Anna Nicole, I think.
Oh yeah, we're talking about that.
Anna Nicole, But this person sent me the gay bed and
breakfast of terror. Oh.
And the tag, I mean, it's I think it's a porno, but the
tagline is you can't check in without getting checked out.
So I don't know. I don't know if this person was
high, if they were drunk, but they were like they sent it to
me and then they said, honestly, Camp classics legendary, it's
300% better than you think. So I don't know, maybe it's a
bit too niche. I definitely don't think
anyone's seen that one, but maybe that's OK.
Yeah, porn then. Yeah.
Yeah, well, let's go. Let's let's, let's take a pivot.
Let's find some weirdo traces. OK, and now for something
completely different. Thank God it's needed.
Thank you for lasting this song everyone.
Here's my interview with Lorraine Get.
Away from her, you bitch. Blasting.
He was in the Amazon with my mom when she was researching spiders
right before she died. prostitute or a dog at it I.
Still love doggy chow. I love doggy chat.
Too. You want me to hold it like
this? I love.
I do I do this. Is hi, hey you.
Hey. I'm here with Loreen A2 time
Eurovision winner, queen of Bangers.
Thanks for being here. Did you hear that, Queen of
Bangers? Queen of Bangers.
Welcome to Camp Classics. Thank you, happy to be here.
Yeah, I wanted to start by asking you about your new music
video, which is iconic, giving Dark Phoenix, it's giving
Showgirls, Crystal Connors coming out of the volcano.
Yes, what? Was the inspo.
Oh God, the inspo I oh, that, that the rising phoenix.
Well, you know, I, I just knew. I don't know, it's weird because
I just knew that I needed to be on fire because of the storyline
of the of the of the video as well as the song.
And I just like how much fire can we have?
And the director say, do you want full, full body?
I'm like, yes, that's exactly what I want.
He's like, OK. Was that all real?
No, I mean, yes, it was real. That was bad.
And there are ways. There are ways.
There are ways to do it. Like obviously you can burn
something up and you can add that into an actual, you know,
scene. Yeah, I knew that.
You know, the character. I'm saying character.
It's not a character. It's actually all of us.
But let's just call it the character that I'm playing.
Obviously, it's it's based on a story that I used to hear as a
child. You know, it was just an entity
coming to Earth and experiencing the human experience for the
first time. Of course.
Hello. But so she has this like, you
know, so that's basically why fire is so uncontained.
She's she's just very much. That's so cool.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yes, yes. And just being a bit confused
about where she's at and what is going on.
We love that. We love that.
Where do you get your references
from? Life, Yeah, yeah, definitely
life. You know, in this case, this is
very much a reflection of what is going on in the world.
I mean, I say the world, but you know what we're going through
all of us now in the world today.
I mean, feels like heaven, which is the song you're talking
about. That's that's very much a song
about. It's very much like
understanding that heaven is not a place.
It's actually a state of mind, you know, And, you know, we
actually can create our reality. We do all the time.
And, you know, and we're in control there.
We choose. This is going to sound so, so,
so crazy, but I believe we can choose our emotions.
We can choose paths. Yeah.
So that's basically what the
song is about. Oh yeah.
That's kind of the queer experience, too.
It's like figuring out, you know what?
You don't necessarily have the same path as everyone else.
Yeah, you have to choose your own.
Yeah, You have to choose your own.
We always do. We have to, you know, it's
really, yeah, we have to and have to stay authentic to
ourselves. It's like it's so important and
it's, it's and it's gonna happen.
It's happening all the time. You know, that's that's how the
universe works. Love that you're such a visual
artist. How like how do visuals come to
you when you're? Creating songs like, is it all
kind of part of the same thing? Do you see the visuals at the
same time as you're making the music?
Yeah, exactly that, exactly that.
Instantly. And not even.
Yeah, I just, I see visuals when I hear sound.
It doesn't have to be a finished song.
It could just be a vacuum cleaner going and I'm like, I'm
seeing a world, you know, is that.
What the sound is? At the beginning of euphoria.
Yeah, but you know, no, it actually I do that purposely.
All the sirens are there to neutralize the room because
there are certain frequencies that neutralizes the space.
It's like it's always like a go into a meditation and you hear
the gongo bong, you know, and what it does is like there are
these like lower frequencies, the really bassy ones.
It just grounds you and centers you.
So whatever distortion happened before that boom, now you're
focused. You're in the room.
Now you're you're you're present I've.
Only done a gong bath once and it was like day five of Burning
Man and I yeah, my brain was not in the right.
Space really to receive it correctly, Really.
Yeah, because sound bath is amazing.
Yeah, I need to. Try it again.
Yeah. And it needs to be a space that
you feel, you know, obviously safe and, you know, inspires
you. Some space is just like this is
not me, right? Right.
So you're on Camp Classics. It's a podcast about camp
movies. As someone in the queer
community, what does camp mean to you?
What camp means to you? Yeah, are you familiar with the
word? This is a language barrier,
Yeah, you just have to help. Me out, I'll tell you.
So camp to me. We describe it as something that
unlocks queer joy, is kind of stupid fun.
It's reclaiming. It's like you ever seen the
movie Show Girls? Yeah.
Yeah, that's camp. OK, OK, OK.
I got it. I got it.
Yeah. It's mommy dearest.
It's, I don't know, it could be Mean Girls.
OK, that's my camp. You I mean.
I think you have campness because you bring so much
theatricality and intensity and visuals and all of that.
Yeah, but sometimes camp can be used as a bit of a pejorative.
And it's like. You're trying for something and
you miss. Yeah, and I don't think you ever
miss. OK, so.
I'm gonna be careful and I'm gonna say you have camp
leanings. OK cuz it does sound like pretty
cool when you say oh that's so calm.
It is I. Was like OK.
It can be both a compliment and an insult.
It's kind of an amazing word. I do love the idea of being
camp. OK, well then.
We changed the whole like I'm camp.
I mean, you're giving camp today really insulting answers.
I love it. OK then, how about this one?
So one thing we talked about on the podcast a lot is things that
unlock queer joy. Yeah.
What does that for you? What unlocks your queer joy?
Oh, God, you know me. I'm a spiritual situation.
OK, So what unlocks my queer joy?
It's just like I'm gonna be deep.
Like it's just living my truth. Like just be allowing myself to
be whatever I am at the moment. That's that's actually real deep
joy. For me.
Love that. Yeah.
And do you have, is there anything like in media ever that
you see that you're like, oh, that makes me feel like seen or
excited? Like for me, it's seeing like
female villainy, like a woman who's gone over the edge and
she's. Like, Oh yeah, OK, she's.
Dangerous. She doesn't give a shit.
Anymore. Yeah.
OK. Got you.
That's my career, joy. Yeah.
OK. I get.
OK. In that case, I can definitely
tell you that Sarah O'Connor at Terminator.
That's my plan. Young or Tarantino killed Bill.
What's her name? Thurman Fellow.
The bride. I can so.
Relate. I'm actually.
So you're so Sarah Connor now I think about it, Yeah.
Yeah yeah, I love Babs yeah exactly.
I think I subconsciously like always wanted like when I saw
that characters was like I can relate to that.
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, kind of something warrior ish with her
she's. Not lesbian icon.
Actually, yeah, yeah, we love that.
We love. What is your favorite music
video of all time? My favorite music video of all
time. Or you can shout at a couple.
Oh God, I'm like my, my head is just like spinning because I'm
like music videos. I was born and raised under a
fucking rock. I'm like, did I even have it?
OK I I really love Frozen with Madonna but I don't know if it's
the song or is it the video? The video.
Is gorgeous. Isn't it when she just, you
know, she's? Transforming into like dogs and
Ravens. Yeah, we love that.
Yeah. Actually, that's very witchy.
Yeah, very. Yeah.
Isn't it?
Yeah, like and she's in a desert scape.
Love that. Yeah, perfect.
I feel at home, like, yeah, there you go.
Yeah. Perfect.
I channeled that one. I wasn't sure it was well done.
OK, now that you know what Campy means, do you have a favorite
campy Eurovision performance? Because I think what's amazing
about your performances at Eurovision is you cut through
the camp with like, theatricality, kind of
sincerity, like. Beauty.
Strength, but. Obviously Eurovision is also
known for like silly, campy, over the top ridiculous.
Yeah, there was actually one performance that Rylan and Scott
Scott showed me the other day, and they're like, that's cap.
And I'm like, that's cap. And there was a British, this is
a British song. And they were just they were
dressed up as flight attendants. Yeah, they're called.
They're called What are they called?
Scooch. Scooch.
Flying the flag.
Flying the flag, that is camp. That is so camp.
I'm like, they were like, this is camp.
I'm like that's camp. Oh my God, this is so camp.
I should have just said that when I was trying to define
camp. That was very, very camp.
Yeah, so good, great answer. I love.
That thank. You Do you have a favorite
representation of queerness in film?
Well, I just gave you my favorite.
Okay, representative. Hello, you start first so
that'll give me some time. So if you've seen Showgirls,
Crystal Connors, and that is like a bisexual icon, Yeah.
And Gina Gershon, who plays her. Have you ever seen Bound?
No. My God, that's a lesbian like
noir thriller. It is so good.
And if you're into Sarah Connor, you'd be into Gina.
Gershwin Really. Is it a?
Is it a happy ending? Please tell me Yes because I'm.
Yeah, it's, it's it's tense, but she plays like a Butch plumber.
Yeah. And she's like, hot.
And OK, Buff. Yeah, yeah.
What was the name of the movie? Again, bound.
It's kind of, it's a little bit bondage.
It's like lesbian bondage, love. It's got Jennifer Tilley.
Do you know who that is? She voiced.
The bride of Chucky. OK, yeah.
I just feel like I need to hang a little bit more with you
because there's so much I need to learn.
Oh my God. OK, last question, Yeah, So we
on the podcast, we have a suggestion sack.
Our listeners suggest movies that they think we should cover.
Do you have a movie that we should add to the suggestion
sack? The suggestion, yeah.
Now that you're an expert on camp.
Yes, now that I'm like by the crash course on Camp Jesus
Christ, wait, you're just putting me on the spot here
because I'm that spiritual person when the Carly looks at
TV like I'm like I'm like hugging trees and and meditating
with like crystals and stuff like that and he's putting me on
the spot. What movie?
The only thing that comes up is like Tarantino, Tarantino,
Tarantino, Tarantino A. Great suggestion.
Right. Let's pop Kill Bill in.
Or maybe Pulp Fiction. Oh fuck.
Fiction is really nice too, but if I had to choose I would
probably choose Kill Bill anyway.
That is a camp. Yeah, yeah.
That is just like women fucking each other up.
Big time. Yeah, we love that.
Yeah, not actually the fucking each other up, but but you know,
sometimes. We love it.
Vivica Fox like that. Fight her.
Between her and Uma Thurman, that is cinema.
And they're hot, both of. Them they're both really hot.
Yeah, it's not, it's. And Lucy Liu.
Yeah. Hello.
It's a crime.
Yeah, Yeah. Yeah.
No, yes. OK, Kill Bill.
It's in the suggestion sack. Yes.
Thank you for being here. Congrats on the new album, I
can't wait to hear it. Thank you, love.
Thank you so much. Thank you for having.
Me, yeah. For the crash and for the crash
course on camp, camp, camp, camp, camp, camp.
I'm clipping that up. You are.
I know. Get away.
Away from her, you bitch. Classic.
He was in the Amazon with my mom when she was researching spiders
right I used to love doggy chow too.