1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:01,720 We're going to need a bigger swab. 2 00:00:01,720 --> 00:00:06,440 Get away from her, you bitch. Classic. 3 00:00:07,320 --> 00:00:10,720 He was in the Amazon final when she was researching spiders 4 00:00:10,760 --> 00:00:15,880 right before she died. No, Hannah, you. 5 00:00:18,000 --> 00:00:19,840 Thought you become a prostitute, you're a dog at it. 6 00:00:20,280 --> 00:00:22,080 I used. To love doggy chow. 7 00:00:23,480 --> 00:00:27,760 I used to love doggy chow too. I don't need any man's help. 8 00:00:28,360 --> 00:00:32,200 I'm Crystal. Put me over your knee and beat 9 00:00:32,200 --> 00:00:36,000 some manners into me. Yeah, it's Jackie. 10 00:00:36,160 --> 00:00:37,400 Oh, sorry. Wrong person. 11 00:00:37,520 --> 00:00:42,720 It's baby Lame. And welcome to CAP Classics. 12 00:00:45,120 --> 00:00:47,880 A stupid cop. Oh, I was trying to be funny 13 00:00:47,880 --> 00:00:50,480 there and I said. I like stupid cod past. 14 00:00:50,480 --> 00:00:53,200 Yeah, stupid. Well, I was going to try and mix 15 00:00:53,200 --> 00:00:55,600 it up with what I was saying. I was going to say a stupid 16 00:00:55,600 --> 00:00:59,120 podcast about thoughtful movies. Oh, is that what we've watched 17 00:00:59,120 --> 00:01:00,640 today? Yeah, I think. 18 00:01:00,640 --> 00:01:05,040 So it's it's Shakespeare. It is really, Yeah. 19 00:01:08,120 --> 00:01:09,120 Lies. I'm a Nelly. 20 00:01:09,160 --> 00:01:12,280 Lies. Baby, are you going away? 21 00:01:12,400 --> 00:01:13,880 You go on a little a little trip. 22 00:01:13,880 --> 00:01:17,400 Yeah, I'm leaving the podcast. I don't have to say this, but 23 00:01:17,400 --> 00:01:19,240 I'm going on a break with you, Crystal. 24 00:01:19,320 --> 00:01:22,320 Oh no. Yeah, and let's make it like the 25 00:01:22,320 --> 00:01:26,720 Rachel and Ross thing so you better not see anyone else 26 00:01:26,720 --> 00:01:30,200 because. Otherwise, that'll be two 27 00:01:30,200 --> 00:01:31,640 seasons worth of content. Yeah. 28 00:01:31,640 --> 00:01:33,400 Oh my God, I can't believe I'm quoting friends. 29 00:01:33,400 --> 00:01:35,160 This is why I need to go away I think. 30 00:01:36,240 --> 00:01:38,480 Where are you going? I'm going to America. 31 00:01:38,640 --> 00:01:40,560 I've heard it's meant to be a really great place to visit at 32 00:01:40,560 --> 00:01:42,840 this time of the world. You know what I mean? 33 00:01:43,240 --> 00:01:46,800 Molly, you in danger, girl? No, I'm going to be an artist. 34 00:01:46,800 --> 00:01:51,080 I'm going to go and create in a in a Hut somewhere in the middle 35 00:01:51,080 --> 00:01:53,480 of nowhere. Is that what they're calling the 36 00:01:53,480 --> 00:01:56,760 Betty Ford Clinic these days? I feel like that's such a 37 00:01:56,800 --> 00:01:58,520 throwback. Reference isn't very full 38 00:01:58,520 --> 00:02:01,200 connect. Yeah, I'm still like this. 39 00:02:01,200 --> 00:02:03,800 I'm like, I don't know, but I feel like I've got to be like a 40 00:02:03,800 --> 00:02:07,400 woman in athleisia. I'm like kind of diamante. 41 00:02:07,480 --> 00:02:10,680 Holding a a vodka martini, yeah. I'm basically what's the chops 42 00:02:10,680 --> 00:02:12,400 in? Postcards on the edge. 43 00:02:12,400 --> 00:02:13,480 Yeah, I'm, yeah. I'm her. 44 00:02:13,560 --> 00:02:15,280 Debbie Reynolds. I'm Debbie Reynolds. 45 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:16,520 Yeah. I mean, it was coming. 46 00:02:16,520 --> 00:02:18,760 It's like death hasn't become me. 47 00:02:18,760 --> 00:02:23,440 Debbie Reynolds has become me. You tell that to Debbie 48 00:02:23,880 --> 00:02:27,640 Reynolds. What have you been up to, 49 00:02:27,680 --> 00:02:30,880 Crystal? Nothing that exciting, although 50 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:35,240 just, you know, dispatches from the life of reality TV fame. 51 00:02:36,200 --> 00:02:39,960 Yesterday I went for a little STI test. 52 00:02:40,120 --> 00:02:42,120 Thanks. Syphilis I wasn't expecting. 53 00:02:42,120 --> 00:02:43,680 You to take it there, but thank you for. 54 00:02:43,680 --> 00:02:46,600 Sharing And I was sat in the waiting room and I hear my name 55 00:02:46,600 --> 00:02:49,360 called and it's like, it's a hot young gay nurse. 56 00:02:49,360 --> 00:02:52,760 So that's never ideal, is it? It's not really who you want to 57 00:02:52,760 --> 00:02:55,360 see. What do you want to see like 58 00:02:55,360 --> 00:02:57,000 some? You want to see an old lady 59 00:02:57,360 --> 00:02:58,840 who's seen it all? Yeah. 60 00:02:58,880 --> 00:03:01,280 Who's, like, bored of gay people? 61 00:03:01,400 --> 00:03:03,680 Is she judging you or? No, no, no, exactly. 62 00:03:03,680 --> 00:03:06,480 She just couldn't care less because she's seen so many. 63 00:03:06,480 --> 00:03:07,400 Gay men. OK yeah. 64 00:03:08,520 --> 00:03:11,120 So hot hot nurse calls you A. Hot nurse. 65 00:03:11,120 --> 00:03:13,000 Yeah. And so he's like, well, let's 66 00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:16,200 have a look. And I pull my pants down and 67 00:03:16,200 --> 00:03:18,680 he's approaching with the swab. And then he says, oh, by the 68 00:03:18,680 --> 00:03:25,160 way, were you on Drag Race? It's not OK, is it? 69 00:03:25,160 --> 00:03:27,040 Do you? Do you pause as you're going in 70 00:03:27,040 --> 00:03:29,280 with the swab or do you continue to do it as? 71 00:03:29,280 --> 00:03:31,920 The actually it was quite funny because then my Dick actually 72 00:03:31,920 --> 00:03:38,000 retreated inside me. Oh, I played that game with you 73 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:41,240 before where it hides away when I've got the swab out and you've 74 00:03:41,240 --> 00:03:44,200 got to get it back out again. Having you, it's like, I don't 75 00:03:44,200 --> 00:03:47,680 know why I'm still like miming the swab technique. 76 00:03:47,800 --> 00:03:49,280 Oh, it's good. It's helping me relive the 77 00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:50,800 moment. Have you got your results yet? 78 00:03:50,800 --> 00:03:52,840 I feel like. No. 79 00:03:53,200 --> 00:03:55,320 OK, well maybe maybe you could give us an update. 80 00:03:55,320 --> 00:03:58,840 You know how you know how you sometimes edit in your voice? 81 00:03:58,840 --> 00:04:03,120 Just with a little, you know, Oh, post note, so maybe here. 82 00:04:03,720 --> 00:04:06,080 Hey everyone, it's future Crystal here. 83 00:04:06,480 --> 00:04:12,200 The test results have come in and big news, I'm pregnant. 84 00:04:13,280 --> 00:04:17,040 Anyway, I'll, I'll have to say, don't go on reality TVTV folks, 85 00:04:17,040 --> 00:04:19,839 because I'm glad you. Said that because I thought you 86 00:04:19,839 --> 00:04:21,959 were going to say don't go to an STD clinic. 87 00:04:22,240 --> 00:04:25,440 I was like not sure that's a message we should be Co signing 88 00:04:25,440 --> 00:04:28,440 on the podcast. Well, this took a tangent, 89 00:04:28,440 --> 00:04:31,640 didn't it? Yeah, anyway, moving on, why are 90 00:04:31,640 --> 00:04:33,320 we here? Oh, just before we get into why 91 00:04:33,320 --> 00:04:36,200 we're here, we of course have a gate tree on where you can get a 92 00:04:36,200 --> 00:04:41,240 bonus episode every month. And you also get a 3A free swab 93 00:04:41,480 --> 00:04:43,120 I've heard as well. Thanks. 94 00:04:43,120 --> 00:04:46,760 Syphilis. Do you want it anally or orally? 95 00:04:50,160 --> 00:04:53,920 Our latest episode was on Vamp Grace Jones, Vampire Stripper, 96 00:04:53,920 --> 00:04:56,800 Low, low, low budget, 80s horror. 97 00:04:56,800 --> 00:05:00,560 What's not to love? And if you can't subscribe to 98 00:05:00,560 --> 00:05:03,680 the Gatron, you could leave us a comment on Apple Podcast, a 99 00:05:03,680 --> 00:05:07,920 review, a rating on Spotify, or you could send us a message with 100 00:05:07,920 --> 00:05:10,840 some suggestions or. You could post a voice note, you 101 00:05:10,840 --> 00:05:13,640 could draw a picture. You could get creative with 102 00:05:13,640 --> 00:05:15,560 this. You could launch a rival podcast 103 00:05:15,560 --> 00:05:18,880 and show us how to make a better version of what we're doing. 104 00:05:19,240 --> 00:05:21,800 Really, there's all sorts of things you could be doing. 105 00:05:22,120 --> 00:05:24,760 I'd like that if someone just really tried to destroy us, but 106 00:05:24,760 --> 00:05:28,480 like in a in a long game way. I mean, jokes on them, we're 107 00:05:28,480 --> 00:05:32,080 destroying ourselves, yes? But we have. 108 00:05:32,080 --> 00:05:35,200 Has anyone got that much time to be like I'm going to, That's why 109 00:05:35,200 --> 00:05:36,640 I'm going to take down this? Podcast. 110 00:05:37,160 --> 00:05:38,800 That's why I think I'd like it. Yeah. 111 00:05:38,880 --> 00:05:41,280 Oh. It'd be great classic Cam. 112 00:05:41,960 --> 00:05:44,440 Yeah, yeah, that's a classic Cam. 113 00:05:45,960 --> 00:05:48,840 Oh, it sounds like ATV station that only plays. 114 00:05:49,280 --> 00:05:52,560 I don't know Grace Jones movies. Yeah, I mean, I'm in. 115 00:05:54,240 --> 00:05:56,440 But we did get some. We have had some DMS with some 116 00:05:56,440 --> 00:05:57,120 suggestions. Oh. 117 00:05:57,240 --> 00:05:59,320 DM OH. Yeah, we've had DMS. 118 00:05:59,360 --> 00:06:01,400 Claudio, why you? Needed to go to the clinic. 119 00:06:01,400 --> 00:06:03,360 Is this the? Is this the origin story? 120 00:06:03,360 --> 00:06:07,520 Yeah, the DMS are overflowing, Claudio says. 121 00:06:07,520 --> 00:06:09,640 Hey, loves eek, loving the podcast. 122 00:06:09,640 --> 00:06:10,720 Thank you. I wonder. 123 00:06:10,720 --> 00:06:14,320 Sorry, I'm not sure. Is that an excitable eek, do you 124 00:06:14,320 --> 00:06:16,120 think? Well, eek, I'm scared that's how 125 00:06:16,160 --> 00:06:19,160 I would interpret it. I was getting excited, but you 126 00:06:19,160 --> 00:06:21,680 know what? Let's not put words in Claudia's 127 00:06:21,680 --> 00:06:21,960 mouth. Oh. 128 00:06:22,080 --> 00:06:25,000 Sorry, Claudia. Wondering if John Waters female 129 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:28,000 trouble would ever be reviewed? Big love from Amsterdam. 130 00:06:28,280 --> 00:06:31,480 I mean, I think John Waters is on the horizon. 131 00:06:31,480 --> 00:06:33,880 There's a few that we need to talk about, aren't there? 132 00:06:33,880 --> 00:06:36,280 I think we're big fans of Serial Mum as well. 133 00:06:36,280 --> 00:06:38,600 So I think I would love to get my teeth into a John Waters 134 00:06:38,600 --> 00:06:41,360 movie. Yeah, yeah, I feel like Serial 135 00:06:41,360 --> 00:06:45,760 Mum is more in our Canon than Female Trouble, but I'm open to, 136 00:06:45,840 --> 00:06:49,080 I'm open to all of them. Oh, thank you Claudio for the 137 00:06:49,080 --> 00:06:49,840 message. Yeah. 138 00:06:49,840 --> 00:06:51,360 Thank you. Yeah. 139 00:06:52,640 --> 00:06:57,440 I love messages. We've also had a message from 140 00:06:57,440 --> 00:06:59,440 Lorkin. Hey Divas, I've recently 141 00:06:59,440 --> 00:07:01,800 discovered your podcast and just wanted to say how great it is. 142 00:07:01,800 --> 00:07:04,960 Great fun and great insight too. I've been binge listening and 143 00:07:04,960 --> 00:07:07,560 thought I'd throw you guys a few suggestions to add to the mix. 144 00:07:07,840 --> 00:07:11,480 Top of my wish list being These Old Broads which is a 2001 TV 145 00:07:11,480 --> 00:07:13,760 movie with Joan Collins, Debbie Reynolds, Shirley MacLaine and 146 00:07:13,760 --> 00:07:16,080 Elizabeth Taylor. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I've. 147 00:07:17,840 --> 00:07:19,760 On the podcast before I think or it's. 148 00:07:20,120 --> 00:07:24,160 Yeah, I, I saw this a long, long time ago and I, I feel like this 149 00:07:24,160 --> 00:07:26,720 because who doesn't love ATV movie? 150 00:07:27,840 --> 00:07:31,040 I feel like we need to explore the realms of TV movie a little 151 00:07:31,040 --> 00:07:32,680 bit more. Yeah, Yeah. 152 00:07:32,760 --> 00:07:34,040 I mean, I want to see that movie. 153 00:07:34,040 --> 00:07:35,400 Yeah. Whether or not we cover it. 154 00:07:35,400 --> 00:07:35,960 Thank you. Working. 155 00:07:35,960 --> 00:07:38,000 That's great. Working has also suggested. 156 00:07:38,600 --> 00:07:40,520 Other than that, I think you should cover Romeo Michelle's 157 00:07:40,520 --> 00:07:45,360 High School Reunion, Spice World Scream, 3 Notes on a scandal. 158 00:07:45,360 --> 00:07:47,600 I think that's the second request for notes on a scandal 159 00:07:47,600 --> 00:07:49,920 We've had and Serial Mom. Great. 160 00:07:49,920 --> 00:07:51,560 OK. So we're ticking some boxes I 161 00:07:51,560 --> 00:07:53,360 like. I like how they skipped some of 162 00:07:53,360 --> 00:07:55,080 the genres there. Yeah. 163 00:07:55,400 --> 00:07:58,160 I think the importance, yeah, it's good to kind of find. 164 00:07:58,400 --> 00:08:01,360 Oh God, I. Nearly vomited. 165 00:08:01,360 --> 00:08:05,800 So oh. My God, disgusting. 166 00:08:06,400 --> 00:08:08,720 Not again. I'm not going to give you 167 00:08:08,720 --> 00:08:11,440 anything else to say with that, so you can keep that like. 168 00:08:11,760 --> 00:08:16,280 I'm keeping it for sure. That was me vomiting because 169 00:08:16,280 --> 00:08:19,520 they were disgusting choices. You're gross. 170 00:08:19,840 --> 00:08:25,320 You're gross looking. You cannot like, call someone 171 00:08:25,320 --> 00:08:28,840 else gross after you just nearly vomited out of nowhere. 172 00:08:31,080 --> 00:08:34,080 Never change, never change. It's going to be a hard month 173 00:08:34,080 --> 00:08:38,520 without you. 5 pumpkin. 5 pumpkin. 174 00:08:39,440 --> 00:08:41,360 I don't think we actually told people you're only going away 175 00:08:41,360 --> 00:08:44,760 for a month, right? And the lovely the lovely Sue 176 00:08:44,760 --> 00:08:47,040 Gives a Fuck is going to be filling in so. 177 00:08:47,080 --> 00:08:49,560 Yeah, I've heard. I've heard she likes to fill in 178 00:08:49,560 --> 00:08:51,400 sometimes. Oh oh. 179 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:55,440 There's quite a crack to fill. Yeah, that's why you go for the 180 00:08:55,440 --> 00:08:57,600 jumbo swabs, isn't it? Yeah. 181 00:08:58,200 --> 00:08:59,720 We're going to need a bigger swab do. 182 00:09:04,720 --> 00:09:07,880 You remember when this podcast used to be slightly academic, 183 00:09:07,880 --> 00:09:11,680 and I feel like now it just goes down the drain of we need some, 184 00:09:11,680 --> 00:09:13,480 we need some other guest house soon. 185 00:09:13,480 --> 00:09:15,160 Do I need we need to bring child back? 186 00:09:15,160 --> 00:09:17,400 Yeah, we need some like weight to this, yeah. 187 00:09:18,760 --> 00:09:22,720 Well, before we go any further baby, what makes a camp classic? 188 00:09:23,080 --> 00:09:24,360 Right now. Right now. 189 00:09:24,360 --> 00:09:27,600 Well, a camp classic needs to be something that unlocks queer 190 00:09:27,600 --> 00:09:29,960 joy. In the words of Megan Fox. 191 00:09:30,480 --> 00:09:33,320 You give me such a wedding. I know she doesn't speak like 192 00:09:33,320 --> 00:09:35,080 that, but that's how I'm feeling right now. 193 00:09:35,080 --> 00:09:36,400 Yeah. We want squelchy. 194 00:09:36,400 --> 00:09:39,560 Squelchy Uzi. Juicy queer joy. 195 00:09:40,080 --> 00:09:42,200 The film needs to have an ongoing legacy, something that 196 00:09:42,200 --> 00:09:45,440 makes you want to come back for more and that feeds into queer 197 00:09:45,440 --> 00:09:48,280 pop culture. It needs to be so stupid. 198 00:09:48,280 --> 00:09:50,760 It's genius. If it makes sense, it's probably 199 00:09:50,760 --> 00:09:54,000 not camp. And ultimately we are looking 200 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:58,160 for flaccid energy. A flop rejected by the 201 00:09:58,160 --> 00:10:00,880 mainstream and resurrected by the queers. 202 00:10:02,000 --> 00:10:04,600 Thank you, baby. I I felt like I was really 203 00:10:04,600 --> 00:10:07,680 taking that one seriously. Yeah, I felt, I felt the the 204 00:10:07,680 --> 00:10:13,440 pathos. And today we are covering 1985's 205 00:10:13,920 --> 00:10:18,280 red Sonya. And it's a bit of a red Sonya 206 00:10:18,280 --> 00:10:20,680 fest this episode, isn't it? Crystal it. 207 00:10:20,680 --> 00:10:22,560 Is indeed, it is. Indeed. 208 00:10:22,720 --> 00:10:26,600 We're today we're talking about the 1985 version, but the 209 00:10:26,600 --> 00:10:30,760 franchise has been rebooted and a new version is out now on 210 00:10:30,760 --> 00:10:33,840 streaming. And baby, you already know. 211 00:10:33,840 --> 00:10:37,800 But I was able to bag an exclusive interview with the 212 00:10:37,800 --> 00:10:40,080 director of the new movie, MJ Bassett. 213 00:10:40,240 --> 00:10:42,240 How? The fuck did she manage to do 214 00:10:42,240 --> 00:10:43,320 that? I. 215 00:10:43,360 --> 00:10:47,320 Just think that the blag is real, but yeah. 216 00:10:47,360 --> 00:10:50,160 If we talk some good game, we this this can be a thing that we 217 00:10:50,160 --> 00:10:52,520 start doing. I think this could be our new 218 00:10:52,520 --> 00:10:54,400 thing. We're like proper pundits. 219 00:10:54,400 --> 00:10:58,920 Sure, Jan. I got sent like a Screener, you 220 00:10:58,920 --> 00:11:03,360 know, I feel like and and I did the zoom and she was there. 221 00:11:03,360 --> 00:11:05,840 She had like the official background. 222 00:11:05,840 --> 00:11:08,200 So how was she? Lovely, lovely. 223 00:11:08,200 --> 00:11:11,000 And yeah, if you want to hear about the new version of Red 224 00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:13,160 Sonya, that will be at the end of the episode. 225 00:11:13,960 --> 00:11:15,960 And yet that movie's out now. But we thought it would be a fun 226 00:11:15,960 --> 00:11:20,120 tie in to cover the 85 version, which I think neither of us had 227 00:11:20,120 --> 00:11:21,800 seen. No, not at all. 228 00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:24,320 Yeah, and it's a, it's a wild ride. 229 00:11:24,320 --> 00:11:30,720 It's a. Yeah, insert Aretha Franklin. 230 00:11:31,400 --> 00:11:35,160 OK, great, great gowns, beautiful gowns. 231 00:11:36,120 --> 00:11:39,040 Oh it this movie is so beautiful gowns. 232 00:11:41,480 --> 00:11:43,320 This movie is very beautiful gowns. 233 00:11:43,840 --> 00:11:46,040 Let's get into the box office reviews context. 234 00:11:46,040 --> 00:11:49,880 So Rhett Sonia, of course, is is starring Bridget Nielsen. 235 00:11:50,200 --> 00:11:53,080 Oh my God, Jackie, Bridget Nielsen's first time on the 236 00:11:53,080 --> 00:11:53,880 podcast. I believe it. 237 00:11:54,080 --> 00:11:57,120 Is welcome, Bridget. Yeah, this was her first movie 238 00:11:57,120 --> 00:11:59,000 role. I've got some Bridget Nielsen 239 00:11:59,000 --> 00:12:01,720 trivia for you very quickly. She's 6 feet tall. 240 00:12:02,840 --> 00:12:06,040 She speaks Danish, English, German, Italian and a bit of 241 00:12:06,040 --> 00:12:07,800 French. You think you're very clever, 242 00:12:07,800 --> 00:12:09,760 don't you? OK, Yeah. 243 00:12:09,760 --> 00:12:12,640 We obviously know and love her from this sound bite. 244 00:12:12,960 --> 00:12:16,160 Yeah, Jackie. Yeah, Jackie, Jackie. 245 00:12:16,320 --> 00:12:19,800 It had never occurred to me until today that that's because 246 00:12:20,520 --> 00:12:22,000 Jackie's still on with her mother-in-law. 247 00:12:22,040 --> 00:12:23,480 Yeah. I know exactly. 248 00:12:23,880 --> 00:12:27,760 Also that is like the golden era of reality TV, like being able 249 00:12:27,760 --> 00:12:30,600 to get Bridget Nielsen and then it's like, let's get the 250 00:12:30,600 --> 00:12:33,920 mother-in-law from hell in. Yeah, but that's what I love 251 00:12:33,920 --> 00:12:35,640 about the wicked world of reality TV. 252 00:12:35,640 --> 00:12:38,080 There's no way Sylvester Stallone is going on like a Big 253 00:12:38,080 --> 00:12:40,280 Brother. We'll just get all of his family 254 00:12:40,280 --> 00:12:46,480 to go on it. Also, it hadn't occurred that 255 00:12:47,040 --> 00:12:48,760 there's that meme of her that's everywhere too. 256 00:12:48,760 --> 00:12:50,880 She's a meme queen. She was on flavour flave and 257 00:12:50,880 --> 00:12:53,080 she's laughing at someone doing a lie detector test. 258 00:12:53,440 --> 00:12:55,680 You've definitely seen a clip of her laughing and you didn't 259 00:12:55,680 --> 00:12:56,400 realize it was her. Oh. 260 00:12:56,680 --> 00:12:58,240 My God. Well, I watched an interview 261 00:12:58,240 --> 00:13:00,160 today with her with Joan Rivers on. 262 00:13:00,280 --> 00:13:07,000 I watched that too. Oh my God, I love and normally 263 00:13:07,000 --> 00:13:12,120 defend Joan Rivers to the death but fuck me she was feeling 264 00:13:12,120 --> 00:13:15,240 petty as hell in that. She just is. 265 00:13:15,240 --> 00:13:17,560 Like she calls her a cunt, doesn't she? 266 00:13:17,880 --> 00:13:21,720 Yeah, accuses her of being a drug addict. 267 00:13:21,720 --> 00:13:25,720 She makes fun of her husband because it's her 4th or 5th 268 00:13:25,720 --> 00:13:29,280 husband. Oh God she's so caddy. 269 00:13:29,280 --> 00:13:31,000 But I. Doesn't doesn't it just start 270 00:13:31,000 --> 00:13:34,440 with like Bridget Neeson going? You know, I'm so glad to see 271 00:13:34,440 --> 00:13:36,240 you. You're like an amazing woman. 272 00:13:36,600 --> 00:13:39,840 You know, I'm glad to be here And you know, obviously we've 273 00:13:39,840 --> 00:13:43,240 had like some difficulties in the past and you know, I was 274 00:13:43,240 --> 00:13:45,440 angry with you because you did you know, the last time I saw 275 00:13:45,480 --> 00:13:46,960 you, you were quite horrible about me. 276 00:13:46,960 --> 00:13:49,760 But I'm here to give you a flowers and then whoa, that's 277 00:13:49,760 --> 00:13:52,800 enough to send Joan Rivers on a hell rant. 278 00:13:53,320 --> 00:13:55,760 I know you're a wonderful woman. I know you're forgiving. 279 00:13:55,760 --> 00:13:58,040 I know I'm a piece of shit. I know you're fabulous. 280 00:13:58,160 --> 00:14:00,680 I know you're warm. I know your 4 marriages are just 281 00:14:00,680 --> 00:14:02,640 silly mistakes. I know your drug problem doesn't 282 00:14:02,640 --> 00:14:04,000 count. I know all that. 283 00:14:04,080 --> 00:14:07,760 I know you've got a new husband who is in the audience and he's 284 00:14:07,760 --> 00:14:08,920 half your age. I like. 285 00:14:09,560 --> 00:14:12,720 But it does just feel a bit like she's Bridget's being a bit of a 286 00:14:12,720 --> 00:14:15,760 bad sport and like if she just played along, it all would have 287 00:14:15,760 --> 00:14:19,040 stayed light and fun. But Bridget was not having it. 288 00:14:19,040 --> 00:14:22,720 She was on the defensive. And yeah, she storms off twice. 289 00:14:22,760 --> 00:14:23,840 Yeah. Yeah, it was. 290 00:14:24,520 --> 00:14:27,520 One of the times she takes her husband with her, she goes 291 00:14:27,520 --> 00:14:28,800 under. The audience picks him up. 292 00:14:29,040 --> 00:14:30,520 He's very small, isn't he? Well. 293 00:14:30,520 --> 00:14:34,080 He's like 5-2 or something and she's 6 foot tall, wearing heels 294 00:14:34,080 --> 00:14:36,320 and she just kind of drags out this little man. 295 00:14:36,840 --> 00:14:38,040 They're still married, by the way. 296 00:14:38,440 --> 00:14:40,800 Oh, I'm very happy for them. Yeah, it's great. 297 00:14:40,800 --> 00:14:43,720 Yeah, screw you, Joan Rivers, because you're dead. 298 00:14:43,720 --> 00:14:47,000 Who wins? But I I was watching it. 299 00:14:47,000 --> 00:14:48,480 I was like, I'm really enjoying this. 300 00:14:48,520 --> 00:14:51,280 I'm not sure how this is going to help our research for the 301 00:14:51,280 --> 00:14:53,880 film that we're about to discuss, but I will never mind. 302 00:14:54,800 --> 00:14:56,840 Doesn't matter. The other thing I wanted to say 303 00:14:56,840 --> 00:14:59,960 was that obviously she was in some of her films. 304 00:14:59,960 --> 00:15:02,720 I mean, she's done a lot of reality TV, She's done a lot of 305 00:15:02,720 --> 00:15:04,840 bad TV movies. She became quite. 306 00:15:04,840 --> 00:15:08,280 Like, did you look through her IMDb film credits? 307 00:15:08,360 --> 00:15:12,600 Yeah, some of those films. Look so good. 308 00:15:12,800 --> 00:15:19,800 Like the artwork alone like Galaxy or Galaxy it's called AKA 309 00:15:19,800 --> 00:15:23,080 last terminal. I was like that one, I want to 310 00:15:23,080 --> 00:15:28,480 watch what was another one. She's too tall, which looks 311 00:15:28,480 --> 00:15:31,000 spectacular. A little 90s comedy. 312 00:15:31,400 --> 00:15:34,560 Is that is that for people with that fetish of like a giant lady 313 00:15:34,560 --> 00:15:37,920 stepping on them? I mean she is the the boss of. 314 00:15:37,920 --> 00:15:40,840 She is, yeah. She she probably created that 315 00:15:41,040 --> 00:15:42,880 fetish. Yeah, I was like, I want to go 316 00:15:42,880 --> 00:15:46,040 down a deep dive and watch these terrible films just so you can 317 00:15:46,040 --> 00:15:48,200 just tell. I watched a clip of her in 318 00:15:48,200 --> 00:15:54,040 Beverly Hills Cop 2 and she plays a dual thief villain with 319 00:15:54,040 --> 00:15:58,160 a gun in a white power suit, so very happy to see that. 320 00:15:58,960 --> 00:16:02,040 And what, how many years after read some, you know, would that 321 00:16:02,040 --> 00:16:03,640 have been? Would that have been like 92 or 322 00:16:03,640 --> 00:16:05,400 something? 91 do you reckon? 323 00:16:05,600 --> 00:16:09,000 I don't know. I just wonder if her acting has. 324 00:16:09,000 --> 00:16:11,480 Has improved. Since her first film role. 325 00:16:12,000 --> 00:16:14,600 I'd say probably not, but I haven't. 326 00:16:15,400 --> 00:16:17,400 I can't actually know. I don't actually know if I've 327 00:16:17,400 --> 00:16:20,520 seen her in anything else. She's still, like, quite heavily 328 00:16:20,520 --> 00:16:23,760 accented, isn't she? I wonder if she can fake it or 329 00:16:23,760 --> 00:16:26,760 if she always has to play like a Scandinavian person. 330 00:16:26,760 --> 00:16:29,200 Yeah, the other the other movie I saw that she did was called 331 00:16:29,200 --> 00:16:34,240 Domino, and it's a 1988 Italian erotic drama. 332 00:16:34,960 --> 00:16:38,160 And this is the synopsis. Obscene phone calls provoke a 333 00:16:38,160 --> 00:16:41,400 platinum blonde making a video documentary about Billie 334 00:16:41,400 --> 00:16:42,760 Holiday. OK. 335 00:16:46,640 --> 00:16:51,440 I'm captivated. I am I, I, I don't know. 336 00:16:51,440 --> 00:16:53,640 Why is she? Why is she making a, a movie 337 00:16:53,640 --> 00:16:55,800 about Billie Holiday? I mean, I don't know. 338 00:16:55,880 --> 00:16:58,800 And what do the obscene phone calls provoke her to do? 339 00:16:59,000 --> 00:17:01,360 Well, again, I think we might need to watch this. 340 00:17:01,560 --> 00:17:04,400 I'm not sure. Is there a spin off to the the 341 00:17:04,400 --> 00:17:05,680 gate Trion? Because it doesn't. 342 00:17:05,680 --> 00:17:08,359 Yeah, we need, we need something lower than the gate Trion to put 343 00:17:08,440 --> 00:17:09,880 it on. Gosh. 344 00:17:09,880 --> 00:17:11,599 OK, And then let's get into the box office. 345 00:17:11,599 --> 00:17:14,560 Some reviews of this movie. So this movie was a critical and 346 00:17:14,560 --> 00:17:18,040 commercial failure. It took $7,000,000 under a 347 00:17:18,040 --> 00:17:25,079 budget of $18 million, and it's got 21% on Rotten Tomatoes. 348 00:17:26,040 --> 00:17:29,440 It was nominated for three Razzies, including worst actress 349 00:17:29,440 --> 00:17:34,280 and worst supporting actress, and it won for worst new star. 350 00:17:35,800 --> 00:17:39,800 Yeah less, but I just found a positive review on letterboxed. 351 00:17:40,360 --> 00:17:42,920 This person says OK wait this was so fun. 352 00:17:42,960 --> 00:17:45,720 Red headed sword fighting lady, extended water dragon fight 353 00:17:45,720 --> 00:17:49,120 scene, Silly Wizard, crazed witch queen, cute little Prince 354 00:17:49,120 --> 00:17:52,000 and clumsy servant, and the craziest mullet you ever did 355 00:17:52,000 --> 00:17:53,600 see. What more could you possibly 356 00:17:53,600 --> 00:17:55,080 want? And that's kind of how I feel 357 00:17:55,080 --> 00:17:56,800 about it, too. Yeah, I mean, I will say feel 358 00:17:56,800 --> 00:17:59,280 like that's punching things up just a little bit. 359 00:17:59,280 --> 00:18:02,480 Like that sounds like a kind of a kooky happy go lucky movie. 360 00:18:02,480 --> 00:18:06,000 Do you know what I read? I might remember the thing I was 361 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:11,560 interested in with this was I watched like a 4K restoring A 362 00:18:11,560 --> 00:18:15,880 restored version of this movie. And the side note was they'd 363 00:18:15,880 --> 00:18:19,920 taken 150 hours to refine this footage. 364 00:18:19,920 --> 00:18:23,560 And really, And I'm like, wow, of all, of all the films that 365 00:18:23,560 --> 00:18:26,320 could be restored, this, this was the the one you chose. 366 00:18:26,360 --> 00:18:30,680 Also 150 hours? What's that like 3 work weeks 367 00:18:30,880 --> 00:18:33,040 for one person? Actually. 368 00:18:33,280 --> 00:18:35,560 One person worked for three. Weeks. 369 00:18:35,560 --> 00:18:38,280 They, they tricked me into thinking 150. 370 00:18:38,280 --> 00:18:40,400 I was like, because obviously I was like, whoa, 3 digit 371 00:18:40,400 --> 00:18:42,520 numbered, what the hell? But no, you're right. 372 00:18:42,520 --> 00:18:45,160 It's like, yeah, well, you can tell, can't you? 373 00:18:46,200 --> 00:18:49,680 3 weeks. It I did, I got to say though, I 374 00:18:49,680 --> 00:18:53,760 did rewatch parts of it on YouTube today and it looks much 375 00:18:53,760 --> 00:18:56,760 worse. So I would recommend the 4K 376 00:18:57,360 --> 00:18:59,240 version if you are going to watch this movie. 377 00:19:01,240 --> 00:19:04,120 Let's get into the plot. Don't worry, I'm not going deep. 378 00:19:04,400 --> 00:19:08,040 So we've got Sonia. She's a red mulleted woman and 379 00:19:08,040 --> 00:19:09,600 she's next to a burning building. 380 00:19:09,920 --> 00:19:13,600 A spirit appears to her and gives her back story. 381 00:19:13,720 --> 00:19:16,920 This like instantly hooked me. Yeah. 382 00:19:17,280 --> 00:19:19,800 Because I was like, this is this is how you do it. 383 00:19:20,560 --> 00:19:24,480 We talk about films being, you know, too long too, you know, 384 00:19:24,960 --> 00:19:28,040 stretched out. I'm like within like a minute 385 00:19:28,040 --> 00:19:31,000 and a half. We have got we've we've done a 386 00:19:31,000 --> 00:19:32,920 whole film's worth of plot, haven't we? 387 00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:35,800 And I'm just like, this is the kind of snappy shit that I want 388 00:19:35,960 --> 00:19:38,640 from a from a SEC. She's not sexy from a wispy 389 00:19:38,640 --> 00:19:40,680 little witch creature. Thing. 390 00:19:41,160 --> 00:19:44,160 Yeah, like a floating, disembodied lady voice with a 391 00:19:44,160 --> 00:19:46,000 sword. Here for it, yeah. 392 00:19:47,800 --> 00:19:49,360 And we learn quite a lot, don't we? 393 00:19:49,360 --> 00:19:51,680 We. Do we Do we learn that Sonia was 394 00:19:51,680 --> 00:19:55,840 approached by Queen Gedrin sexually lesbian? 395 00:19:56,000 --> 00:19:59,920 I love that straight from like evil lesbo queen. 396 00:20:00,240 --> 00:20:02,480 Evil Lesbo Queen. She came on to her. 397 00:20:02,520 --> 00:20:08,160 Sonia was disgusted. Yeah, read Sonia is giving no 398 00:20:08,160 --> 00:20:14,160 homo here. She's so grossed out that she 399 00:20:14,160 --> 00:20:20,520 slashes Gedrin's face and scars her scars her badly, which then 400 00:20:20,600 --> 00:20:24,560 prompts Gedrin to kill her entire family and have her gang 401 00:20:24,560 --> 00:20:26,160 raped, which is a bit of a bummer. 402 00:20:26,800 --> 00:20:30,480 A bit of a bummer, but yeah. But yeah. 403 00:20:30,840 --> 00:20:34,000 Yeah, but the spirit is there to give her the strength to get 404 00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:35,800 vengeance. What an opening scene. 405 00:20:35,800 --> 00:20:39,560 It really, it really sets the tone that you just never really 406 00:20:39,560 --> 00:20:43,280 know what this movie's gonna do. It's got, it's got weirdness all 407 00:20:43,280 --> 00:20:45,600 over it. And I mean, that's always a 408 00:20:45,600 --> 00:20:47,560 treat, isn't it? It keeps you from getting bored. 409 00:20:47,560 --> 00:20:49,760 Yeah. And it, although it isn't like 410 00:20:49,760 --> 00:20:53,840 kind of very action paced, it feels like, oh, we're about to 411 00:20:53,840 --> 00:20:56,480 watch something. Yeah, it really captivated me. 412 00:20:56,480 --> 00:21:00,320 And I was really excited by that opening sequence, definitely. 413 00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:02,640 Sonia then trains under a swordmaster called the 414 00:21:02,640 --> 00:21:06,920 Grandmaster, and she mistrusts nearly all other men because 415 00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:09,440 obviously. I hate men, yeah. 416 00:21:09,720 --> 00:21:13,320 I mean all of that was great, wasn't it just the grandmaster 417 00:21:13,320 --> 00:21:17,360 being like, men aren't evil, all everything isn't swordplay, 418 00:21:17,360 --> 00:21:20,040 hatred of men could have been your downfall. 419 00:21:21,080 --> 00:21:24,120 It's just like. It's like the movie I'm. 420 00:21:24,240 --> 00:21:26,960 We'll get into this later, maybe, But the movie really is 421 00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:30,840 confused about what it's trying to say about, I guess, sexual 422 00:21:30,840 --> 00:21:32,480 violence and rape. Yeah. 423 00:21:32,840 --> 00:21:35,560 I don't think this movie is qualified to be making any 424 00:21:35,560 --> 00:21:38,200 statements on on sexual violence against women. 425 00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:41,240 And yes, it does. And yet it's gonna try anyway. 426 00:21:41,240 --> 00:21:43,480 Yeah, the grandmaster says she needs to work on hating men. 427 00:21:44,120 --> 00:21:47,160 He's also a perv, sorry. Oh yeah, he is a perv. 428 00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:50,160 Because he's then he's then basically is like, oh, if I was 429 00:21:50,240 --> 00:21:53,320 30 years younger. It's like, oh fucking hell. 430 00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:57,120 But also, it does, it does set the tone as well that she is 431 00:21:57,120 --> 00:22:00,680 this highly desirable woman, isn't she in the film? 432 00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:03,560 Yeah, well, she doesn't. I don't think she meets a single 433 00:22:03,560 --> 00:22:05,280 man in this movie who doesn't want to fuck her. 434 00:22:05,360 --> 00:22:07,160 Yeah. I hate men. 435 00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:11,080 Again, problematic. Yeah, not great. 436 00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:14,920 Not great. Then we go to a nearby temple 437 00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:17,280 and we meet Varna, Sonia's sister. 438 00:22:17,360 --> 00:22:20,920 Great, great wig. Great hair, great hair. 439 00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:22,920 It's kind of Grace Jones in Vamp. 440 00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:26,920 Yes, yeah, she's, she's got like a pale blue contact on as well, 441 00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:29,800 just kind of. Flat and a flat, very straight 442 00:22:29,800 --> 00:22:32,680 red Bob. Yeah, it's sort of giving me an 443 00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:36,360 early days Gaga where she was making like the headpieces out 444 00:22:36,360 --> 00:22:38,280 of bits of cardboard and spraying them silver. 445 00:22:38,280 --> 00:22:40,960 Do you know what I mean? It was like, Oh yeah, Gaga, give 446 00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:45,560 me some. But Varna is in an order of 447 00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:50,000 priestesses who are preparing to banish the Talisman, A mystical 448 00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:52,560 light powered relic that created the world. 449 00:22:53,360 --> 00:22:55,880 I found their ceremony very Conti. 450 00:22:56,160 --> 00:23:00,000 Oh, it's so good, it's so good. They're all in white, they've 451 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:03,400 all got swords. There's a big green glowing ball 452 00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:06,760 they're doing chanting and they're preparing to send it 453 00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:10,720 into the darkness. Because the Talisman can be used 454 00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:14,080 and touched only by women. Men vanish if they touch it and 455 00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:16,920 it has become too powerful to control. 456 00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:22,160 But this is when Gedrin's army attacks and this is our first 457 00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:26,280 big fight scene and all of the priestesses get fucking killed. 458 00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:28,720 And interesting to use the word fucking because it sounds like 459 00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:30,440 they're having an orgasm as they get. 460 00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:35,000 They're all like. It's very like. 461 00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:42,760 Oh, yeah, oh, oh, yes. So and then and then and then it 462 00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:44,720 turns into screams. It's really weird. 463 00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:45,840 Yeah. And then? 464 00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:49,480 When they they're pushed down a hole and I'm like, is there a 465 00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:52,320 dark room below? They landed on some like beds 466 00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:54,120 and then they're now getting. They're just down there. 467 00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:56,200 Are they getting finger bangs to death? 468 00:23:56,680 --> 00:23:57,960 Still looking for a film with that. 469 00:23:57,960 --> 00:23:59,480 But yeah, they're literally like moaning going. 470 00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:04,560 Oh oh. I just is any excuse I just let 471 00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:07,120 me just have one more because I know I can't carry it but it 472 00:24:07,120 --> 00:24:13,160 doesn't want. Me like, Oh yeah. 473 00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:14,400 Oh. OK. 474 00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:16,520 Yeah, it's, it's out of me now. I'm sorry. 475 00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:17,680 You're done. I'm sorry. 476 00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:20,200 That was women dying and you're laughing. 477 00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:22,960 No, I felt that pain. I was, I'm an actor. 478 00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:27,200 I was reenacting it because we don't have the clearance to play 479 00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:30,400 long clips in these podcasts, so it's important to reenact the 480 00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:33,600 scenes. But yeah, they fall into like a 481 00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:36,240 dark room essentially. Don't they die a dark room of 482 00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:40,280 death, which I think we've all been in before, haven't we Swab? 483 00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:43,800 Thanks, Syphilis. So yeah, Varna watches Gedrin 484 00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:47,880 steal the Talisman, throw the surviving priestesses into the 485 00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:52,040 vault that contained it, and then she escapes but is mortally 486 00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:54,880 wounded. And she's discovered by 487 00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:59,520 Khaledor, the Lord of Hercania, who is Arnold Schwarzenegger and 488 00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:02,440 who is definitely not Conan the Barbarian. 489 00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:07,280 Oh, is is that like a purposeful thing that he isn't Conan the 490 00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:09,760 Barbarian or? So this is a guess a good time 491 00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:11,120 to get into this. This is basically the 492 00:25:11,120 --> 00:25:14,960 unauthorized third movie in the Conan franchise. 493 00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:16,800 I. Didn't and I thought it was 494 00:25:17,120 --> 00:25:19,240 authorized. I fell for the trick. 495 00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:23,240 Yeah, the producer didn't want to pay the rights to have the 496 00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:27,360 Conan name, so he just swapped out Conan for Calador. 497 00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:30,000 Oh my God. And am I right in saying as well 498 00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:34,840 that Arnold Schwarzenegger was tricked into doing this role as 499 00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:37,040 well? Yeah, Explain that to us. 500 00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:39,920 Yes. So he was in like a multi 501 00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:44,200 picture deal with Dino De Laurentiis, who is the producer 502 00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:49,480 of this movie, Big prolific kind of B movie producer. 503 00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:56,960 And he said, Arnie, will you do a cameo in my Red Sonja movie? 504 00:25:57,400 --> 00:25:59,760 And Arnie said yes and thought he was coming in for a week and 505 00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:01,520 ended up being four. And then he found out he was 506 00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:05,720 getting Co starred billing and was on the poster and. 507 00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:08,800 Because I read as well that they had extra cameras that were just 508 00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:12,480 sort of filming stuff, so they had loads more footage of him 509 00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:18,120 than than he thought he filmed. It's really, really, really 510 00:26:18,120 --> 00:26:21,480 funny. It's like, imagine living in a 511 00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:24,240 time when Arnold Schwarzenegger was famous enough that you like, 512 00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:26,600 if you just tricked him into being in your movie, you'd have 513 00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:30,760 like a chance of success. It's just so confusing. 514 00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:34,400 It's so confusing because he's another terrible actor. 515 00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:37,480 Like Bridget is not doing a good job here. 516 00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:40,920 Neither is he. We've got 2 incredibly 517 00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:43,600 untalented actors. It is. 518 00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:48,560 It is like, I mean, I'm like actually guy for a word to try 519 00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:51,760 and explain what it's like to see them on screen together. 520 00:26:52,360 --> 00:26:54,560 Because, you know, we've all seen Arnold Schwarzenegger 521 00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:56,040 films. Maybe we've not watched Bridget 522 00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:59,480 Nielsen in films before. She's less of a kind of a figure 523 00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:01,080 for that. But it's what Arnold 524 00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:02,880 Schwarzenegger has become synonymous for. 525 00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:07,480 And to the point of like in Terminator, Batman Forever, it's 526 00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:10,320 what we expect from here. And he's kind of built his 527 00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:12,120 that's, that's just what he is, right? 528 00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:16,720 But normally there's probably a talented actor to for him to 529 00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:19,360 bounce off of. So when you have the pair of 530 00:27:19,360 --> 00:27:24,280 them leading, either, you know, a key part of the storyline, 531 00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:30,280 emotion, anger, anguish. It is it is quite a spectacular 532 00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:33,240 thing to to kind of witnesses who's the most it's. 533 00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:35,840 Giving it's giving porn parody again. 534 00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:37,320 Yeah. I mean, absolutely. 535 00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:41,640 There's a bit where it was like I think when the sister died and 536 00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:45,600 I wrote in my notes, Oh my God, this is an SNL sketch now, 537 00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:49,360 because it's just, there's not a chance in hell this is like, 538 00:27:49,360 --> 00:27:53,800 this is literally Kristen Wiig pretending to be like a sexy 539 00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:55,960 Danish. And then already just being that 540 00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:58,240 already there, being like, your sister is dead. 541 00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:05,400 But yeah, so he was. They weren't allowed to call him 542 00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:08,440 Conan, even though they were basically calling him Conan. 543 00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:11,680 Red Sonia is from the Conan universe, so people, they were 544 00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:14,360 trading on that. And yeah, he's dressed like 545 00:28:14,360 --> 00:28:15,640 Conan. He is Conan. 546 00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:18,360 He's just called Calador. That's so stupid. 547 00:28:18,360 --> 00:28:20,960 I love it though. Yeah, yeah. 548 00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:24,080 So Conan has found Sonia. He brings her to Varna. 549 00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:27,240 Varna's dying before she does. She tells Sonia to find the 550 00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:30,520 Talisman and to send it Into Darkness before it ravages the 551 00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:32,920 world with storms and earthquakes. 552 00:28:34,120 --> 00:28:38,720 Conan Calador offers to accompany Sonia, who rejects the 553 00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:41,120 offer because she hates men. She. 554 00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:43,480 Hates them. Well, no, she hates. 555 00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:45,760 Men. Yeah, let's say how she I hate 556 00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:49,280 men is more the kind of tone of her delivery. 557 00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:54,320 I don't need any man's help. I don't need any man. 558 00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:57,920 That's that's pretty good. There we go. 559 00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:01,880 So we can yada yada yada. And there's various adventures 560 00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:06,560 on the way to finding Queen Gedrin, including lots of 561 00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:11,160 fights, more rape threats, and Sonia killing lots of men. 562 00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:13,440 And there's some fun beheadings. Yeah. 563 00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:15,720 There you go. Yeah, if you watch it on 564 00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:17,880 YouTube, you don't see any beheadings, I'll just warn you. 565 00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:20,520 So another reason to watch the 4K remaster. 566 00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:22,640 There's a lot of heads spinning into the air. 567 00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:26,200 Yeah, which is very satisfying. I will give it that, absolutely. 568 00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:29,200 She at least kills everyone who threatens to rape her. 569 00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:31,800 I don't believe in the glorification of murder. 570 00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:35,040 I do believe in the empowerment of women. 571 00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:37,080 So should we talk about the violence? 572 00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:38,720 Should we talk about? Sure. 573 00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:40,480 Yeah. Because, I mean, this is 574 00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:44,720 something I liked about the movie was I liked how physically 575 00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:47,600 capable she was in the role. Yes. 576 00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:53,880 Like there's a there's a lot of sword fights and they aren't we. 577 00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:56,880 If you listen to our previous episode, we on Charlie's Angels, 578 00:29:56,880 --> 00:30:01,600 we spoke about how as women in action films, their roles sort 579 00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:05,160 of flip between, you know, one minute they're these kick ass 580 00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:07,960 fighters and then the next they're kind of these like 581 00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:12,240 desperate single women are just fawning over men. 582 00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:15,560 You don't get that in this. And I don't know if that's maybe 583 00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:18,880 due to her limitations as an actress, but but like, the fight 584 00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:21,040 scenes are really juicy, aren't they? 585 00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:22,720 Yeah, they are. She's, she brings a lot of 586 00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:26,440 physicality to the role and apparently she was cast 8 weeks 587 00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:29,880 before the filming started, so she didn't have a lot of time to 588 00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:31,920 learn sword fighting or anything like that. 589 00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:33,720 And she does a pretty good job, I'd say. 590 00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:36,040 It looks physical, it looks demanding. 591 00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:38,800 It looks like she's really throwing herself in. 592 00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:40,560 You know, I kind of buy all the fight scenes and. 593 00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:43,400 She also is fighting mainly men, Yeah. 594 00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:46,160 And which again, I think is a trope we always sort of discuss, 595 00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:49,280 like Batman Forever, we discussed, oh, God forbid that 596 00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:53,640 Poison Ivy fights a man. You know, it's, it's like it, 597 00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:56,920 you know, that's basically the sole reason Alicia Silverstone's 598 00:30:56,920 --> 00:30:59,000 in that movie. But it's just really nice to 599 00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:02,000 kind of see someone who was meant to be an incredible 600 00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:04,720 fighter taking on men and armies. 601 00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:08,680 I mean, the only time I really didn't like it was when there 602 00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:11,760 was that like the guy with the fat belly that she was going to 603 00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:15,640 slice open and then she beat and killed him. 604 00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:19,760 But then all of his like army and it was like she didn't get a 605 00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:22,920 chance to fight them. And that's when the old Conan, 606 00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:25,720 Oh my God, it's not Conan. Arnold Schwarzenegger comes in 607 00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:29,360 and he does that work. Yeah, he kind of saves her. 608 00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:31,240 Yeah. And it's just, I was a bit like, 609 00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:33,840 we don't really need to see that there, but. 610 00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:37,720 No, it'd be nice. I can see why the plot needed 611 00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:41,160 him to save her at some point. It would have been nice if the 612 00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:43,600 first time she was like, fuck off, I don't need you, and she 613 00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:45,920 just killed all of them herself. Yeah, totally. 614 00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:47,800 It would have been good, yeah. Absolutely. 615 00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:50,040 But in saying that though, there's still, it's still quite 616 00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:53,800 an interesting representation of a woman in the 80s playing an 617 00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:56,920 action role, I think. And like, aside from like how 618 00:31:56,920 --> 00:32:01,320 incredible she looks, like the outfit is hot, like she looks 619 00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:05,600 gorgeous, she doesn't play up to her sexuality at all in the 620 00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:08,480 movie. No, you'd never get like a 621 00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:13,040 lingering shot on a on her butt. She's not in the shower at some 622 00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:15,560 point. It's never she's never really 623 00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:18,840 sexualized by the camera and. Yeah, that's really true. 624 00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:21,120 I mean, how can you be with the mullet like that? 625 00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:27,640 It's a spectacular mullet. It is a severe mullet up in 626 00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:31,160 here. I think I was watching this and 627 00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:32,960 thinking, I think that might be a new camp clue. 628 00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:36,240 If there's a prominent mullet in the movie, you might be watching 629 00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:38,480 a camp movie. I mean, she's got inches on that 630 00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:41,680 mullet. Yeah, it's like down to her butt 631 00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:43,480 now. Is that a practical thing? 632 00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:47,040 Because I'm thinking if I'm I'm just trying to get in the head 633 00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:48,360 of the character a little bit now. 634 00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:54,160 So if I'm red Sonia and I'm getting my haircut, is it that I 635 00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:57,200 just need, you know, I need it like, you know, business at the 636 00:32:57,200 --> 00:32:59,240 front, party at the back kind of vibe. 637 00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:01,800 So, you know, day-to-day, if I'm going to be fighting and stuff, 638 00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:04,520 I don't want my hair getting in my face like, so let's keep it 639 00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:07,720 like really short at the front. But then maybe just to kind of 640 00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:10,480 give me my glamorous fantasy, I go for the long inches at the 641 00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:12,120 back. Is that the reasoning, do we 642 00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:13,200 think? Interesting. 643 00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:15,520 Sure. Yeah, I buy it. 644 00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:17,640 I buy it. It's funny that they went for 645 00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:21,360 mullet because I don't think the character is like known for it. 646 00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:24,200 So it's just, I guess just a real sign of the the times. 647 00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:28,920 It's just like, what is a cool haircut for her to have in 1985? 648 00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:30,920 And they were like this mullet. There you go. 649 00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:33,800 And yeah. And back to her sexualization as 650 00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:35,840 a character. I also really appreciated that 651 00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:38,280 there wasn't any kind of language with her being like, 652 00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:41,920 oh, maybe we can come to an arrangement kind of thing. 653 00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:45,120 And then she fights. It's from the get go, like, I'm 654 00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:47,880 going to kill you. I don't trust men. 655 00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:52,440 She was never, she was never playing on her sexuality as like 656 00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:56,080 one of the tools in her arsenal. Which I don't think either of us 657 00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:59,000 can relate to but go off stairs. Thanks, Syphilis. 658 00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:02,600 Yeah, totally, totally. It's all that's also quite funny 659 00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:06,080 when you think about the source material, which she's often held 660 00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:08,280 up as like the poster child of the male gaze. 661 00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:11,239 Like if you look at her depiction in the comics, she's 662 00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:14,800 chainmail bikini. She is like the OG girl who wore 663 00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:17,719 the impractical outfit to be a fighter. 664 00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:22,120 It was just tits, big red hair, lots of ass, like a basically a 665 00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:26,040 thong chainmail bikini. And so it's it's kind of 666 00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:28,920 interesting that they didn't go down that route at all with 667 00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:30,679 this. And especially as they cast 668 00:34:30,679 --> 00:34:34,239 Bridget Nielsen from being a model as well, and you think 669 00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:35,679 that would be one of the reasons. 670 00:34:35,679 --> 00:34:40,320 But maybe it was just a lack of ability to give anything a 671 00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:42,040 camera. Maybe they tried to make her 672 00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:44,960 sexier in that way, and it was just like, oh, Nope, you're not 673 00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:48,760 getting that baby. It's giving very like, early Gal 674 00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:50,639 Gadot. I can't say her name. 675 00:34:50,639 --> 00:34:52,000 Yeah. You're so right. 676 00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:55,560 And enough champagne to fill the Nile. 677 00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:58,240 And enough champagne to fill the Nile. 678 00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:01,920 It's very bad, isn't it? Carl L No. 679 00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:04,320 Carl L No. What do we think of the other 680 00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:06,160 characters? What do we think of the other 681 00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:10,040 characters in this movie? I was going to kind of avoid 682 00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:14,040 talking about them because they annoyed me so much. 683 00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:19,160 I mean, we can do a quick, I mean, there's like a bratty kid 684 00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:20,880 Prince. Yeah. 685 00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:24,640 Who thinks he's the shit, basically. 686 00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:28,440 He's the Comic Relief. He's the wisecracking kid that 687 00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:31,760 every 80s movie had to have. He's also terrible. 688 00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:34,120 He's he's the worst part of the movie for me. 689 00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:37,000 I mean, he's good at like, martial arts. 690 00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:38,120 Martial arts, yeah, that he's doing. 691 00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:39,440 They've obviously hired him for that. 692 00:35:39,720 --> 00:35:42,240 And I think something that was quite like refreshing for me to 693 00:35:42,240 --> 00:35:46,760 see in an 80s movie was that a POC child was hired for the role 694 00:35:47,240 --> 00:35:50,720 of like, you know, a far off land kind of thing rather than 695 00:35:50,720 --> 00:35:53,080 like the Drew Barrymore of it all. 696 00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:54,400 And then kind of. Right. 697 00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:56,160 Or like, yeah. Getting probably called 698 00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:57,280 crankies. Yeah, just. 699 00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:02,200 I was like, OK, there was 1 scene in particular that I kind 700 00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:04,600 of, and I feel like this was another theme that was coming 701 00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:07,920 through the movie. It feels like the ghost of 702 00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:11,520 heteronormativity is keep creeping up on Red Somya. 703 00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:13,600 Do you know what I mean? Because at the start of the 704 00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:18,040 movie, I mean she's very no homo as we discussed, but she's also 705 00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:19,760 no male. She's you know, she's our 706 00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:22,040 asexual diva. You know, she's getting on with 707 00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:24,560 her life. That doesn't need to be part of 708 00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:27,480 her thing. But then, you know, obviously 709 00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:32,960 Conan the Barbarian is like slowly trying to fuck her and 710 00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:34,560 then everyone else wants to fuck her. 711 00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:37,440 And then she slowly sort of starts to get feelings for 712 00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:39,880 Conan. This this KID, they sort of 713 00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:43,240 tried to introduce this idea, this like maternal thing between 714 00:36:43,240 --> 00:36:45,600 them. I just wasn't, yeah, here for 715 00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:48,320 her as well. But I mean, that turns out very 716 00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:53,040 quickly when he's holding the sword and she comes behind him 717 00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:55,320 and she's like, you're not holding it properly. 718 00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:58,360 You need to be gentle. And it's literally, I'm allowed 719 00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:01,240 to say it because the kids, it's the 80's, the kids a grown man 720 00:37:01,240 --> 00:37:06,360 now he's holding the sword in like an erect penis area and 721 00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:09,320 she's coming from behind and she's like gripping it. 722 00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:13,080 And I was like, how is this? How has this made the car? 723 00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:16,600 Because you could imagine this if this was an adult, it being 724 00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:19,480 like a. A sexy and I'm not sexualized. 725 00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:22,200 It's pottery. Because he's literally being 726 00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:25,320 this like wannabe toxic man but then he's like swinging around 727 00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:28,160 his sword which obviously has phallic connotations. 728 00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:32,720 I was disturbed by the paedophilic nature of this 729 00:37:32,720 --> 00:37:35,320 scene, which is a not a camp. Thing. 730 00:37:35,720 --> 00:37:40,160 Thank you for highlighting that. I know it was a long winded way 731 00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:49,760 around but I had to get there. And it's another example of this 732 00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:51,880 movie just being quite weird in lots of ways. 733 00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:53,600 And I don't mean paedophilia weird. 734 00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:59,600 Just like now we've got a zany child emperor martial artist kid 735 00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:03,560 and his sidekick, and they're gonna also be in this movie, I 736 00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:06,080 guess. We've then got Gedrin's gay 737 00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:07,160 wizard. Oh. 738 00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:10,120 Yeah, I forgot about that one. So he. 739 00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:12,600 So we cut to Gedrin's castle and we. 740 00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:15,600 I'm sorry, like the realization has just hit me again. 741 00:38:15,720 --> 00:38:18,400 Explain it all, let me relive it so. 742 00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:23,120 We've just cut, we cut to Gedrin's fortress and they get 743 00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:25,240 alerted that someone's approaching the fortress. 744 00:38:25,240 --> 00:38:30,200 And so the so Gedrin's gay wizard who is fab, he's got like 745 00:38:30,240 --> 00:38:33,880 6 inch nails and he's just all about potions. 746 00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:40,000 He uses a magic screen to show everyone in the throne room the 747 00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:43,640 approaching enemies, but he turns on his magic screen and 748 00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:48,000 there's just a sexy lady dancing topless and everyone in the room 749 00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:52,800 kind of goes like awkward and it's basically like they caught 750 00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:56,600 Gedrin watching her porn and she'd forgotten to close her 751 00:38:56,600 --> 00:38:58,920 tabs. It's spectacular, yeah. 752 00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:02,640 It is so fucking weird. It doesn't really get addressed. 753 00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:05,320 You're not entirely sure what you're supposed to see, but 754 00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:08,840 either the gay wizard was wanking over this topless lady, 755 00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:10,960 which he wasn't because he's so faggy. 756 00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:12,840 And like you said, has nails did. 757 00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:16,760 There's no. Way or it's the lesbian queen 758 00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:19,440 who we know. Who's already got her little 759 00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:22,080 prisoner woman? Lesbian sex slave, yeah. 760 00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:25,600 I mean, it's such an unnecessary touch, but I'm here for it. 761 00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:29,600 It was so crazy, I had to rewind it and watch. 762 00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:32,160 I was like, did I just? Yeah, so it's like, what in the 763 00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:39,080 Pink palace is this this place? Yeah, it's, I think they're 764 00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:42,040 probably trying to be like, look how depraved this lady is. 765 00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:45,000 It's This movie does not like lesbians. 766 00:39:45,240 --> 00:39:47,800 No, it really doesn't. And I mean, I, you know, that 767 00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:50,280 was something I was yearning a bit more for in this movie, 768 00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:53,440 especially with the the sort of the yada yada opening where 769 00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:58,480 rape, betrayal, it's all crammed into like such a short period of 770 00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:00,600 time. I wanted a bit more desperation, 771 00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:03,120 a bit more of her lusting for Red Sonia. 772 00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:10,080 Whereas I wrote down something I noticed and picked up about the 773 00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:16,080 film was about how her fashion decays over the duration of this 774 00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:17,880 movie. So the queen. 775 00:40:18,240 --> 00:40:21,640 Queen, Yeah, it's like we start seeing her in less finery. 776 00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:24,720 At one point she's wearing like a beaded gold, a gold shawl. 777 00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:28,040 Then it's sort of right at the end, it's giving sort of a nice 778 00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:30,560 top and a pair of jeans kind of vibe like a little. 779 00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:33,760 She's got a Christmas party. They've literally given up on 780 00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:35,720 her wardrobe as the scenes have progressed. 781 00:40:35,720 --> 00:40:37,960 And I don't know if there's more meaning to that, but that that 782 00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:40,640 was something that really stood out to me with this. 783 00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:46,160 Movie I love this queen. I mean, I'm always going to 784 00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:49,520 stand on evil lesbian she. Could she be more evil though? 785 00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:51,960 She could be more evil, she could be more lesbian, but she 786 00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:57,880 does have like a sexy concubine woman who she's willing to 787 00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:01,160 sacrifice. She does have a Kunti kind of 788 00:41:01,160 --> 00:41:03,760 gold face mask that kind of looks like one of those ones you 789 00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:06,480 get from Timu. Yes. 790 00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:11,280 And she wants Sonia to come to the fortress unharmed because 791 00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:16,120 she's not finished with her yet. I mean, this woman also is a is 792 00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:18,240 an. A terrible actress. 793 00:41:18,240 --> 00:41:21,160 Yeah. You know, You know, I was 794 00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:24,280 watching this and I was trying to think who I'd recast her as. 795 00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:30,200 Kelly Lynch from Charlie's Angels, the movie. 796 00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:33,160 I just, I think Kelly Lynch could have done a great job 797 00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:35,600 here. Yes, I think Gedrin and Kelly 798 00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:38,640 Lynch, like there's there's something say me about them. 799 00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:44,040 It's very much, it's very much like AD movie role level. 800 00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:45,720 But you know, I wouldn't want to Chuck it. 801 00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:48,680 For instance, you know, off the top of my head, a Gina Gershon 802 00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:51,320 would have been spectacular in this role. 803 00:41:52,240 --> 00:41:55,240 But this isn't a spectacular movie that deserves a Gina 804 00:41:55,240 --> 00:41:56,880 Gershon. This deserves a Kelly Lynch. 805 00:41:56,880 --> 00:41:59,920 She would have just given a little a little something else. 806 00:41:59,920 --> 00:42:02,480 I love, I love that Kelly Lynch is my new obsession on this 807 00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:06,240 podcast. You're so right and we both we 808 00:42:06,240 --> 00:42:09,880 already know that she can do the like wet look legging thing 809 00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:12,800 which Kedrin Kedrin ends up in she. 810 00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:15,800 Would have had more of a blowout situation though. 811 00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:17,360 Yeah, yeah. There's no way she would have 812 00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:20,280 gone for the flat like Bob thing that that she's got. 813 00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:25,000 The actress who plays Gedrin was supposed to play Red Sonia, but 814 00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:27,840 she decided she didn't want to do it because she didn't want to 815 00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:31,120 get typecast because she'd played the love interest in 816 00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:32,360 Conan. One maybe I. 817 00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:37,720 Think you should be grateful you've got a part, But also, 818 00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:41,000 that's a big swing, isn't it? I won't be playing the lead, 819 00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:42,600 I'll be playing the villain of the piece. 820 00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:45,440 It's like, what kind of hole did she have on this movie? 821 00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:51,040 Who is she? Well, she's the queen of 822 00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:53,600 everything plot wise. Some more yadda yadda Yadda's. 823 00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:57,480 And then the everybody makes it to Gedrin's fortress and the 824 00:42:57,480 --> 00:42:59,960 fortress is splitting and collapsing because the Talisman 825 00:42:59,960 --> 00:43:01,760 is getting out of control. Powerful. 826 00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:04,920 Everything's falling apart and the floors are splitting. 827 00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:07,600 And then we're into our final showdown. 828 00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:11,400 So Sonia confronts Gedrin and they fight, but Gedrin's gay 829 00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:15,440 wizard is making Gedrin teleport all around the room and she's 830 00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:17,640 and he's using like some voodoo on song. 831 00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:20,400 Again, you make that sound way more exciting than it is. 832 00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:23,560 Like doesn't she just teleports once from like the front? 833 00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:26,880 I think, I think she teleports 3 times, but it does look really 834 00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:30,200 bad every time. OK, it's like, it's like Power 835 00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:34,400 Rangers fights. Yes, but again, I I really enjoy 836 00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:39,720 how she because you know, and the gay wizard cuts red Sonia, 837 00:43:39,720 --> 00:43:43,920 right, So she's all of a sudden, Oh my God, I'm bleeding. 838 00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:48,120 It's very masters of the universe sort of section when he 839 00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:51,000 man's getting whipped. But I love how like the old 840 00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:54,680 queen like is laughing and then she just laughs and like nods 841 00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:57,880 over to the gay wizard, which then instantly means that red 842 00:43:57,880 --> 00:44:01,360 Sonia kills the gay wizard. It's like, what an asshole. 843 00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:05,080 Yeah, she gives up like this really pointed look. 844 00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:08,520 It's like, oh wow, you really gave that away. 845 00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:12,320 It's so good. I also, it's got the Faye 846 00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:14,920 Dunaways for me in the sense that someone is clearly off 847 00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:18,880 camera shaking the throne. I was thinking, yeah, there's 848 00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:23,520 some studio people shaking that throne there, and then the crack 849 00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:25,440 opens, doesn't it? Yeah. 850 00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:29,360 And so then they go into a candle covered room, Sonya's cut 851 00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:32,680 off the gay wizard's head, and it's Sonya versus Gedrin They're 852 00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:36,400 fighting. Sonya kills, stabs, gathering 853 00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:39,120 through the heart and sends her plummeting to her death. 854 00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:43,200 I mean. It was no surprise that Red 855 00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:46,040 Sonia, who's like 6 foot and this like fighter that we've 856 00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:49,160 seen like kick the shit out of everyone else in the film, like 857 00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:51,840 nothing about the Queen suggests that she's going to do well in a 858 00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:52,840 fight. That's it. 859 00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:55,320 Now, she does hold up surprisingly well, but it 860 00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:58,560 doesn't really make any sense. I guess if you live in Hercania, 861 00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:01,440 you just one thing you need to know is sword fighting. 862 00:45:01,720 --> 00:45:04,480 Yeah, yeah. It's just it's a tough land. 863 00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:10,560 Everybody escapes the volcano, consumes the castle. 864 00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:16,240 Sonia and Khaled or Kiss. Feminism solved the end all. 865 00:45:16,240 --> 00:45:17,600 Destroyed. In. 866 00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:23,080 One fell swoop. Yeah, OK. 867 00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:26,360 That's the plot of Red Sonia. I'm not going to lie, I thought 868 00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:31,000 you got to the end of it midway. I thought we would finish and 869 00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:32,880 just talking about bits of the film. 870 00:45:33,240 --> 00:45:34,800 Oh, right. Well, because it's a very 871 00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:37,080 repetitive plot, isn't it? Yeah, it is. 872 00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:40,160 It is, it is. I mean, it, it ends exactly how 873 00:45:40,200 --> 00:45:41,720 you think it's going to end. There's nothing. 874 00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:45,400 There's no big surprises. But I would say, I would just 875 00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:47,520 echo what I said before, is that it does stay weird. 876 00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:52,480 It it continues to be weird in in ways that I, I don't know, I 877 00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:53,880 can't really think of other movies like it. 878 00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:56,760 And that was just delightful because how often do you get 879 00:45:56,760 --> 00:45:59,240 surprised by a movie anymore? If that's true, yeah. 880 00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:02,040 What parts were there any parts that of it that you've also that 881 00:46:02,040 --> 00:46:04,800 you found camp? Because I there's there's two 882 00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:07,800 moments that I really enjoyed that are quite small details. 883 00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:13,880 And that's when Red Sonia is no, when Vanya is fleeing the first 884 00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:17,400 massacre in the castle and she's escaping. 885 00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:20,560 I really enjoyed that. She's like, is the castle based 886 00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:23,720 in like an outdoors adventure park because it's got the zip 887 00:46:23,720 --> 00:46:25,480 wire and she just sort of jumps on that. 888 00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:29,320 And I was like, where are we? What in the like Go Ape is going 889 00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:31,120 on now? So that that was one thing for 890 00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:33,160 me. And then I also really like it 891 00:46:33,160 --> 00:46:37,200 where they it's like they're in a theme park and the monster 892 00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:40,160 they fight is just this badly mechanical creature. 893 00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:45,080 And it made me think of Berlin. Oh my God, you're so right. 894 00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:48,160 Yeah, Monster cabinet. Oh my God, you're right. 895 00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:50,160 Because they're both fighting and it's literally this. 896 00:46:50,360 --> 00:46:54,280 The metal monster just does like 2 movements in the water doesn't 897 00:46:54,280 --> 00:46:58,400 it? It's just like, like on top of 898 00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:00,440 it fighting it and I'm like, what the fuck? 899 00:47:00,600 --> 00:47:04,480 But like you say that it looks so bad, but I also was like, I 900 00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:07,200 was thinking to myself, like, OK, but in 85, this was probably 901 00:47:07,200 --> 00:47:09,120 like quite an expensive thing to do. 902 00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:12,240 And they've built a big set piece, they've flooded it. 903 00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:15,040 They've got this mechanical monster. 904 00:47:15,240 --> 00:47:18,480 It's like this looks complicated to do, and yet the result is 905 00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:20,640 still really, really bad. Well. 906 00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:24,840 Since you were saying they conned Arnie into this movie, I 907 00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:28,320 was wondering, do you think he also just was like he went to 908 00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:30,760 like the, you know, the lock up where all the props and the 909 00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:33,880 costume were for Conan and was like, right, let's break in here 910 00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:37,160 and just nick him because like rather than like make. 911 00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:40,040 That make sense? Specific things it's give, you 912 00:47:40,040 --> 00:47:42,720 know, I wonder whether a lot of these films like how recycled a 913 00:47:42,720 --> 00:47:46,040 lot of those costumes are well. Because I think the costumes in 914 00:47:46,040 --> 00:47:50,600 this movie are spectacular. There's like except for the 915 00:47:50,600 --> 00:47:52,360 Queen. Yeah, except for the queen. 916 00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:55,160 Except for the queen, because at the end she is wearing a pair of 917 00:47:55,160 --> 00:47:57,560 leggings and a piece of gold Lemay wrapped around her waist. 918 00:47:57,640 --> 00:48:00,200 Yeah. But for the most part, like 919 00:48:00,200 --> 00:48:02,400 those priestesses, they look amazing. 920 00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:05,080 The grandmaster. That is so cool. 921 00:48:05,640 --> 00:48:08,080 All of the like background villains are in these like 922 00:48:08,200 --> 00:48:13,840 elaborate headdresses and like big armor pieces, and someone 923 00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:17,200 was having a very fun time like creating a world. 924 00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:21,680 I aesthetic I really love in the sort of 80s movies, fantasy 925 00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:25,360 movies is when they merge with like painted backgrounds and 926 00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:28,800 they're kind of they're like these fantasy backgrounds, but 927 00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:31,960 they're sort of quite painterly and I just think I love that 928 00:48:32,040 --> 00:48:35,400 it's just it looks like really gorgeous and it's not attempting 929 00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:38,040 to be real. It's kind of a bit like Wizard 930 00:48:38,040 --> 00:48:40,040 of Oz like, but the next step forward. 931 00:48:40,040 --> 00:48:41,760 And I always just think that looks really beautiful. 932 00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:43,800 So I love it whenever they do that kind of thing in these 933 00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:45,160 movies. Totally. 934 00:48:45,160 --> 00:48:49,640 It's, yeah, there's a lot of theatricality to these sets 935 00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:51,760 where you're like, you can't really shoot this from other 936 00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:53,240 angles, can you? Because it won't work. 937 00:48:53,240 --> 00:48:54,600 So you have to shoot it from one place. 938 00:48:54,600 --> 00:48:57,000 So you kind of feel like you're in a theatre watching some of 939 00:48:57,000 --> 00:49:01,960 the scenes, which doesn't necessarily help it feel like a 940 00:49:01,960 --> 00:49:05,160 real thing you're watching, but it does give it a fun effect. 941 00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:08,480 What do we think about this whole bloody on are they, aren't 942 00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:12,040 they thing with Brigitte and Arnie? 943 00:49:12,040 --> 00:49:14,200 Because they did fuck in the end, didn't they? 944 00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:17,640 But it's like this whole thing that they're fighting and yeah, 945 00:49:17,640 --> 00:49:19,400 I mean, what do you think about all of this? 946 00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:21,000 I feel like we just need to discuss it a bit. 947 00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:24,360 Yeah, yeah, it's a it's a real problem for me. 948 00:49:24,360 --> 00:49:28,920 So this whole movie is about basically about Sonia hating men 949 00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:34,800 and learning to love them again, but it very clumsily sets up the 950 00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:38,200 reason that she hates men as the fact that she was horribly 951 00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:40,480 raped. And then it immediately pivots 952 00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:42,920 away from that and basically implies that she just needs to 953 00:49:42,920 --> 00:49:47,240 get over it. So it's like it's the, the, the, 954 00:49:47,600 --> 00:49:51,200 the inciting rape in this movie is like the reason that it all 955 00:49:51,240 --> 00:49:54,800 kicks off, which is like already a real fucking problem. 956 00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:57,520 Like you should not use sexual violence against women as a 957 00:49:57,520 --> 00:49:59,320 motivating factor for a character. 958 00:50:00,680 --> 00:50:03,480 Then you also if you're going to do that then don't immediately 959 00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:06,120 on the next in the next scene be like get over yourself. 960 00:50:06,120 --> 00:50:10,760 You need to learn to love again. Like basically this movie has no 961 00:50:10,760 --> 00:50:13,560 business trying to make any commentary about any of it. 962 00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:16,760 She just doesn't have the vernacular that she thinks she 963 00:50:16,760 --> 00:50:20,040 possesses. I think we needed a rule that 964 00:50:20,160 --> 00:50:23,160 men shouldn't be allowed to depict rape in movies. 965 00:50:24,160 --> 00:50:27,360 I think we need a rule until they can be trusted to handle it 966 00:50:27,560 --> 00:50:31,520 appropriately. No men dealing with rape. 967 00:50:31,680 --> 00:50:33,680 Yeah. And then it's it's this whole 968 00:50:33,960 --> 00:50:36,080 challenge that she sets Arnie, isn't it? 969 00:50:36,080 --> 00:50:40,440 Which is, you know, the only man who can ever have me is someone 970 00:50:40,440 --> 00:50:43,760 who beats me in a fight. And he even implies so that's 971 00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:46,720 someone that wants to kill you. And it's like, that's an 972 00:50:46,720 --> 00:50:49,720 interesting concept. But then they like, they go for 973 00:50:49,720 --> 00:50:51,920 that fight, don't they? And it's like this thing where 974 00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:54,240 they're fighting. And it's like, again, the 975 00:50:54,240 --> 00:50:57,720 dynamics there are really off because you're like, she's 976 00:50:57,720 --> 00:51:00,840 fighting to not then let a man have her. 977 00:51:00,840 --> 00:51:04,880 And it's why is she doing that? And then the kid, the bratty 978 00:51:04,880 --> 00:51:07,960 little kid even comments on it like, who's she kidding? 979 00:51:07,960 --> 00:51:10,440 We all know she doesn't want to win, right? 980 00:51:10,480 --> 00:51:12,320 He says that during the first fight. 981 00:51:12,320 --> 00:51:19,360 And it's just like. Oh yeah, basically, the movie 982 00:51:19,360 --> 00:51:23,880 implies that she's frigid when actually she's been through a 983 00:51:23,880 --> 00:51:28,200 horrible, horrible trauma. Yeah, and I mean, maybe she is 984 00:51:28,200 --> 00:51:31,560 homophobic, but that was pre all of this stuff. 985 00:51:31,600 --> 00:51:33,480 So that's that's a different thing. 986 00:51:33,560 --> 00:51:36,840 That's a different problem and and we have kind of have no 987 00:51:36,840 --> 00:51:39,000 choice but to stand our homophobic queen. 988 00:51:40,080 --> 00:51:43,760 I just, yeah, there's something about, look, I don't know, maybe 989 00:51:43,760 --> 00:51:46,040 I'm thinking differently about homophobic people, but there's 990 00:51:46,040 --> 00:51:49,640 something about that moment that I'm just like, hell yeah, get 991 00:51:49,640 --> 00:51:53,120 her. And then yeah, at the end, I 992 00:51:53,120 --> 00:51:55,000 don't know. I mean, they never would have 993 00:51:55,000 --> 00:51:56,520 done this. But again, I think when we talk 994 00:51:56,520 --> 00:51:59,080 about these movies, we like to fantasize about different 995 00:51:59,080 --> 00:52:01,960 endings and different. I was thinking because at the 996 00:52:01,960 --> 00:52:07,040 end they sort of reinstate this fight idea and this time around 997 00:52:07,040 --> 00:52:11,080 it's he thinks he's being clever and he's like, oh, well, the 998 00:52:11,080 --> 00:52:14,160 only woman I'd let you know, spend time with me is a woman 999 00:52:14,160 --> 00:52:17,720 that can beat me in the fight. And then that's the sort of the 1000 00:52:17,720 --> 00:52:22,840 prompt for Sonia to fight him. And this they go to do their 1001 00:52:22,840 --> 00:52:25,760 sword fight and then they lock swords and then that's when they 1002 00:52:25,760 --> 00:52:27,120 kiss. And that's the end of this 1003 00:52:27,120 --> 00:52:29,880 fucking awful film. But I thought it would have been 1004 00:52:29,880 --> 00:52:34,640 spectacular if that's when Sonia got her sword and stabbed and 1005 00:52:34,640 --> 00:52:38,640 killed Arnold Schwarzenegger. And then there was like a flare 1006 00:52:38,640 --> 00:52:41,120 of music and it's like Red Sonia. 1007 00:52:41,120 --> 00:52:44,640 And then she just goes off into the distance and she still hates 1008 00:52:44,640 --> 00:52:46,680 men. And I was like, that could have 1009 00:52:46,680 --> 00:52:50,640 saved a huge section of this of this film for me. 1010 00:52:50,640 --> 00:52:54,280 I think I do believe in the empowerment of women. 1011 00:52:54,480 --> 00:52:58,160 Imagine, but I kind of. Feel like because the the the 1012 00:52:58,160 --> 00:53:02,240 history of this film, like since this movie, there's been so many 1013 00:53:02,240 --> 00:53:06,480 talks of people remaking it. So there was Robert Rodriguez 1014 00:53:06,480 --> 00:53:10,560 was going to remake this with our good, good friends. 1015 00:53:11,120 --> 00:53:13,560 Yes. Friend of the show Rose McGowan 1016 00:53:13,840 --> 00:53:16,640 and there was like an incredible poster. 1017 00:53:17,200 --> 00:53:20,440 Yes, for that. Like licking blood off a sword. 1018 00:53:20,440 --> 00:53:21,840 Yeah. And then there's like another 1019 00:53:21,840 --> 00:53:24,960 one of like all of these skulls, like piled up and she's like 1020 00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:27,800 holding a sword in it. It was very much in the era of 1021 00:53:28,280 --> 00:53:30,440 sort of Sin City and that aesthetic. 1022 00:53:30,440 --> 00:53:33,880 And yeah, I mean, obviously I don't know how far down the line 1023 00:53:33,880 --> 00:53:36,400 that version got, but it obviously must have got quite 1024 00:53:36,400 --> 00:53:39,920 far to have had, like, studio artwork teasing it. 1025 00:53:40,360 --> 00:53:43,320 But I feel like that's kind of, I feel like there's a world 1026 00:53:43,320 --> 00:53:46,760 where I want like, if you're going to get like a vengeful 1027 00:53:46,760 --> 00:53:51,040 Sonia, I want more fury. Totally, totally, totally, 1028 00:53:51,040 --> 00:53:53,480 totally. She's just, like, completely 1029 00:53:53,800 --> 00:53:56,120 unhinged. And yeah, you actually just see 1030 00:53:56,120 --> 00:53:58,520 the rage. I mean, there is a catharsis in 1031 00:53:58,520 --> 00:54:02,120 this movie for the character. There is like, she does kind of 1032 00:54:02,160 --> 00:54:05,080 get her revenge, and that is satisfying to see. 1033 00:54:05,080 --> 00:54:08,880 But it's also told against this lens of her learning to love 1034 00:54:08,880 --> 00:54:14,000 again, which it just feels really inappropriate based on 1035 00:54:14,040 --> 00:54:15,680 the trauma that she's been through. 1036 00:54:16,040 --> 00:54:19,360 Yeah, I I watched Planet Terror recently. 1037 00:54:19,800 --> 00:54:21,960 We were talking about it, and that's obviously Robert 1038 00:54:22,280 --> 00:54:25,160 Rodriguez with Rose McGowan. And there's a rape scene in that 1039 00:54:25,160 --> 00:54:27,120 as well. That's like God, you just who 1040 00:54:27,200 --> 00:54:29,000 is? That oh, I haven't seen that 1041 00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:31,240 film for a while, so I don't remember that. 1042 00:54:31,240 --> 00:54:33,680 Oh. Quentin Tarantino makes a cameo 1043 00:54:33,680 --> 00:54:36,760 and then he's like, going to try and rape Rose McGowan, and then 1044 00:54:36,760 --> 00:54:39,360 but he's turning into a zombie and his penis is melting off. 1045 00:54:39,560 --> 00:54:42,320 It's like, horrifying in lots of ways. 1046 00:54:42,320 --> 00:54:46,040 But even despite it being portrayed as like a thing that a 1047 00:54:46,040 --> 00:54:49,680 bad man does, there's still this element that you're like, the 1048 00:54:49,680 --> 00:54:51,560 straight man is still making this and there's a chance that 1049 00:54:51,560 --> 00:54:54,320 he's finding it all a bit titillating, which is just so 1050 00:54:54,320 --> 00:54:55,960 gross. Anyway, at least this movie 1051 00:54:55,960 --> 00:54:58,360 doesn't really sexualize her interestingly. 1052 00:54:58,360 --> 00:54:59,600 It doesn't. It doesn't. 1053 00:54:59,600 --> 00:55:04,560 And despite her looking incredible and her outfit is hot 1054 00:55:04,560 --> 00:55:07,760 like it, I, I, it's interesting. I was like, Oh my God, I bet. 1055 00:55:07,760 --> 00:55:12,440 And Beyoncé, Pink and Brittany, they must have taken some 1056 00:55:12,640 --> 00:55:15,080 reference points from this, maybe Pink in particular, 1057 00:55:15,080 --> 00:55:17,480 because I I was kind of like, I've seen this in that Pepsi 1058 00:55:17,480 --> 00:55:25,160 commercial. You're so right. 1059 00:55:25,160 --> 00:55:27,480 It's it's also very Xena. Yeah, exactly. 1060 00:55:27,480 --> 00:55:29,880 And she does look hot, but there's, she doesn't have 1061 00:55:29,880 --> 00:55:32,840 costume changes. She doesn't have, there's just 1062 00:55:32,840 --> 00:55:35,800 not that element to it. And I liked that, even though I 1063 00:55:35,800 --> 00:55:37,920 didn't like the bigger picture that we're talking about, I 1064 00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:42,000 liked that she was so asexual. And I just thought that was a 1065 00:55:42,000 --> 00:55:44,640 really interesting thing to see because like, you know, we talk 1066 00:55:44,640 --> 00:55:47,160 about stages of films linked to when they were made. 1067 00:55:47,160 --> 00:55:51,000 And I just think it's really nice to see a character not 1068 00:55:51,160 --> 00:55:53,080 depend on sexuality. Totally. 1069 00:55:53,280 --> 00:55:55,680 But yeah, I mean, almost everything about this movie is 1070 00:55:55,920 --> 00:55:58,400 really, really, really bad. Oh yeah, totally. 1071 00:55:58,720 --> 00:56:01,280 The acting is terrible, the story is terrible, the script is 1072 00:56:01,320 --> 00:56:02,360 terrible. Do you know something else I've 1073 00:56:02,360 --> 00:56:06,760 found so jarring was how silent the the the film is? 1074 00:56:07,120 --> 00:56:09,080 And I don't know if that's just because we're so used to like 1075 00:56:09,080 --> 00:56:12,480 big musical scores on things, but like, there's so much dead 1076 00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:15,320 air in this film. But that's so weird because 1077 00:56:15,320 --> 00:56:20,040 they've they had Enyo Morricone. I'm probably pronouncing that 1078 00:56:20,040 --> 00:56:24,360 wrong. Who's like a really famous film 1079 00:56:25,480 --> 00:56:28,160 scorer? Composer. 1080 00:56:28,520 --> 00:56:30,040 Composer. Wow. 1081 00:56:30,640 --> 00:56:35,640 He's a very famous composer. And so it was like a big thing. 1082 00:56:35,640 --> 00:56:38,960 Like it's even on the poster music by you know. 1083 00:56:39,360 --> 00:56:42,040 Do you think so they can afford the full package it's like. 1084 00:56:42,040 --> 00:56:44,400 Yeah, maybe they this is what you're using for the opening 1085 00:56:44,400 --> 00:56:46,120 credits. And then after that, we're going 1086 00:56:46,120 --> 00:56:47,080 to have the. Budgets run out. 1087 00:56:47,080 --> 00:56:49,400 And then because like, yeah, like the end scene, which is 1088 00:56:49,400 --> 00:56:53,480 where you really want like big, like dramatic in that last 1089 00:56:53,480 --> 00:56:54,840 fight. And there's just. 1090 00:56:54,840 --> 00:56:56,400 It's just. Nothing. 1091 00:56:56,400 --> 00:57:00,040 It's so weird. It's so weird, and I know I'm 1092 00:57:00,120 --> 00:57:02,240 only thinking about this movie because we just watched it, but 1093 00:57:02,280 --> 00:57:06,680 it did remind me a bit of Vamp in the like, low budget, just 1094 00:57:06,680 --> 00:57:10,720 like it's trying to be something bigger than it has any capacity 1095 00:57:10,720 --> 00:57:13,200 to be. But I think what made it much 1096 00:57:13,200 --> 00:57:16,440 more fun and watchable for me was that it had a female lead. 1097 00:57:16,440 --> 00:57:19,840 So at least whenever I was like whenever the movie was shit, I 1098 00:57:19,840 --> 00:57:22,160 still had something out, someone to watch that I was interested 1099 00:57:22,160 --> 00:57:23,880 in. Whereas we had two straight men 1100 00:57:23,880 --> 00:57:27,040 leads in Vamp and I was like, I just don't care what happens 1101 00:57:27,040 --> 00:57:28,920 them and I want them off the screen immediately. 1102 00:57:29,200 --> 00:57:30,720 I never wanted her off the screen. 1103 00:57:30,800 --> 00:57:32,200 Yeah. And in fact, I was like, oh, 1104 00:57:32,200 --> 00:57:35,480 maybe soon she's going to be on screen with the evil lesbian 1105 00:57:35,480 --> 00:57:37,800 witch and that'll be even better. 1106 00:57:37,800 --> 00:57:38,520 Yeah. Yeah. 1107 00:57:38,520 --> 00:57:40,800 So I was kind of constantly excited about like, what was 1108 00:57:40,800 --> 00:57:43,520 going to happen, even though I knew I was watching something 1109 00:57:43,520 --> 00:57:46,720 that was just a piece of shit. I mean, we've mentioned this 1110 00:57:46,720 --> 00:57:50,920 before, and this is a problem for me and for you in in 1111 00:57:50,920 --> 00:57:54,480 assessing a camp classic. If I'm getting bored, that's not 1112 00:57:54,480 --> 00:57:56,480 a camp movie. And there were parts of this 1113 00:57:56,480 --> 00:58:00,760 where I was like, this is boring and it's still a punchy 90 1114 00:58:00,760 --> 00:58:02,320 minute film. Like it's not. 1115 00:58:02,800 --> 00:58:04,720 But I not even 90 minute. Is it not? 1116 00:58:05,200 --> 00:58:08,360 But I literally I was watching it like, oh God, when is this 1117 00:58:08,360 --> 00:58:10,680 going to end? And that's, that's not a good 1118 00:58:10,680 --> 00:58:13,960 sign of a of you, is it? It's not a great sign. 1119 00:58:14,600 --> 00:58:17,920 It's like another one of those movies where if you distilled 1120 00:58:17,920 --> 00:58:22,160 the camp moments into like a 10 minute super cut, you'd be like, 1121 00:58:22,160 --> 00:58:24,880 wow, this looks really fun. Like actually even that 4K 1122 00:58:24,880 --> 00:58:26,960 trailer. Yeah, I don't know if you 1123 00:58:26,960 --> 00:58:30,160 watched the the trailer for the remaster, but it makes it look 1124 00:58:30,160 --> 00:58:32,200 really. But that's why I know I keep on 1125 00:58:32,200 --> 00:58:36,040 going back to the opening. And aside from those sort of how 1126 00:58:36,040 --> 00:58:40,680 they deal with the rape in it, it's also quick and like magical 1127 00:58:40,680 --> 00:58:44,560 and like a bit deliriously, like, we're about to, you know, 1128 00:58:44,920 --> 00:58:47,360 kick some shit into gear. Let's go. 1129 00:58:48,200 --> 00:58:51,960 And it just doesn't have any of that pacing in the rest of the 1130 00:58:51,960 --> 00:58:55,040 movie. No, I felt, I still felt hopeful 1131 00:58:55,040 --> 00:58:58,280 for the first, like probably quarter of it because I thought 1132 00:58:58,280 --> 00:59:00,360 those priestesses with the swords were Kunti. 1133 00:59:00,360 --> 00:59:02,920 I was like, oh, they're actually getting, things are getting 1134 00:59:02,920 --> 00:59:08,320 really surprisingly violent and like it's staying weird and oh, 1135 00:59:08,320 --> 00:59:11,040 what's this like giant Buddha statue and she's fighting with 1136 00:59:11,040 --> 00:59:14,000 this weird sword master. Like it was staying weird. 1137 00:59:14,000 --> 00:59:17,440 And then and then, yeah, it really did lose its way in the 1138 00:59:17,440 --> 00:59:20,400 middle when she's just like on her way to the fortress and 1139 00:59:20,400 --> 00:59:23,200 having to like deal with all of the challenges on the way. 1140 00:59:23,520 --> 00:59:26,520 Also as well, the other thing I found very funny, and maybe in 1141 00:59:26,520 --> 00:59:28,000 some cultures, this is just what you do. 1142 00:59:28,000 --> 00:59:31,360 But like, I love how she just burns her sister sets her on 1143 00:59:31,360 --> 00:59:35,000 fire at the beginning. I'm like, because that's what we 1144 00:59:35,000 --> 00:59:37,720 do style. Yeah, you're going up in flames. 1145 00:59:37,720 --> 00:59:41,760 Bye. My sister is dead, I don't need. 1146 00:59:41,920 --> 00:59:44,760 Any man's help? One thing maybe we haven't 1147 00:59:44,760 --> 00:59:47,080 really talked about is, yeah, maybe we have. 1148 00:59:47,320 --> 00:59:50,360 But evil lesbians? Love evil lesbians. 1149 00:59:50,400 --> 00:59:54,800 Yeah, just more of them, right? Why is why is homophobia OK when 1150 00:59:54,800 --> 00:59:58,400 it's in the 80s? But yeah, do you know what I 1151 00:59:58,400 --> 00:59:59,680 mean? It's just. 1152 00:59:59,920 --> 01:00:02,000 Funny, I think. Evil lesbians have way more 1153 01:00:02,000 --> 01:00:04,960 potential than what we saw in this movie and like, let's get 1154 01:00:04,960 --> 01:00:07,840 really fucking evil, OK? Sure, sure, sure, sure. 1155 01:00:07,840 --> 01:00:10,520 I'm like no, I agree, but like it. 1156 01:00:10,520 --> 01:00:12,920 There is something funny about 80s homophobia. 1157 01:00:12,960 --> 01:00:18,720 I don't know it, it tickles me, it tickles me and also it's just 1158 01:00:18,720 --> 01:00:20,320 refreshing because we're so. Used to like. 1159 01:00:21,120 --> 01:00:22,680 No, no, because. We're so used. 1160 01:00:23,440 --> 01:00:27,680 We're so used to like queer coated male villains and like, 1161 01:00:27,680 --> 01:00:30,720 it's not that often you get a just an out and out evil 1162 01:00:30,720 --> 01:00:33,040 lesbian. Yeah, and we welcome it with 1163 01:00:33,040 --> 01:00:33,880 open arms. We do. 1164 01:00:34,320 --> 01:00:36,520 We do. But as I said, imagine someone 1165 01:00:36,520 --> 01:00:37,880 like a Gina Gershon playing that. 1166 01:00:37,880 --> 01:00:40,760 Aren't you gonna come here and give me a big kiss? 1167 01:00:41,400 --> 01:00:45,080 God just yeah, recast this with Gina Gershon and Elizabeth I 1168 01:00:45,120 --> 01:00:46,920 just. Think it's like it's the kind of 1169 01:00:46,960 --> 01:00:50,040 genre of film where like as actors you can really chew up 1170 01:00:50,040 --> 01:00:53,600 the scenery more with these kind of roles and they didn't. 1171 01:00:53,760 --> 01:00:56,280 Know everybody felt a little bit bored. 1172 01:00:57,040 --> 01:00:59,560 It's very like, yeah, here's the meal. 1173 01:00:59,560 --> 01:01:02,240 You could dive straight in, but you're all on the Zen pic, so 1174 01:01:02,240 --> 01:01:03,360 you're not. You can't really. 1175 01:01:03,360 --> 01:01:07,240 Eat at the moment. So it's just very like a lettuce 1176 01:01:07,240 --> 01:01:09,720 leaf. This is all I can manage. 1177 01:01:09,920 --> 01:01:11,720 Would you recommend people watch this movie? 1178 01:01:12,320 --> 01:01:17,840 No, I don't think I would. I don't. 1179 01:01:17,840 --> 01:01:20,640 I didn't this. I didn't not enjoy it, but I 1180 01:01:20,640 --> 01:01:22,760 don't. I mean, I can say I'm never 1181 01:01:22,760 --> 01:01:24,520 going to watch this movie ever again. 1182 01:01:24,800 --> 01:01:27,240 I can definitely say that. And what about you, I? 1183 01:01:27,880 --> 01:01:31,880 Don't think so, but I am really happy to have seen it. 1184 01:01:31,880 --> 01:01:35,280 And it also feels a little bit like a hidden, like I don't 1185 01:01:35,280 --> 01:01:36,840 think anyone's seen this movie. Yeah. 1186 01:01:37,200 --> 01:01:38,000 Do you know what I mean? The. 1187 01:01:38,080 --> 01:01:41,120 The only thing it has done as well as like you mentioning some 1188 01:01:41,120 --> 01:01:43,960 of the other films and having looked at the posters of 1189 01:01:44,280 --> 01:01:47,640 Brigitte Nielsen's films, I definitely would love to scroll 1190 01:01:47,640 --> 01:01:49,960 through them and just sort of see the scenes that she's in and 1191 01:01:49,960 --> 01:01:52,480 just get more of a tapestry of what she's like as an actress. 1192 01:01:53,640 --> 01:01:56,920 No, I don't. The posters alone are selling 1193 01:01:57,160 --> 01:01:59,640 the concept to me. Well, should we rate this movie? 1194 01:01:59,720 --> 01:02:02,520 I think we should, yes. OK, it's time to give it a 1195 01:02:02,520 --> 01:02:04,880 rating on our patented campometer. 1196 01:02:04,880 --> 01:02:10,360 We need to give it 10 Merrells. Bon Appetit for the quality and 1197 01:02:10,360 --> 01:02:18,000 10 Lizas for the camp factor. OK Merrells, now I know you're 1198 01:02:18,000 --> 01:02:19,640 about to give this movie 0 Merrells. 1199 01:02:21,200 --> 01:02:24,200 And you would be correct, yes. But you're going to stop me, 1200 01:02:24,200 --> 01:02:24,800 aren't you? No, I'm. 1201 01:02:25,360 --> 01:02:27,880 Not going to let you, but I'm just going to get in there and 1202 01:02:27,880 --> 01:02:30,880 you know what? I am going to give one, Meryl, 1203 01:02:31,360 --> 01:02:34,640 to the costume designer because I enjoyed it, OK? 1204 01:02:34,640 --> 01:02:37,360 I enjoyed the costumes and they went for something and they took 1205 01:02:37,360 --> 01:02:39,800 a big swing and I think it mostly paid off. 1206 01:02:39,840 --> 01:02:43,320 OK, Yeah. I'm going to recognize their 1207 01:02:43,320 --> 01:02:48,480 work here on this podcast. Yeah, I no. 1208 01:02:48,480 --> 01:02:51,200 Do you know what I'm going to give? 1209 01:02:54,760 --> 01:02:57,800 No, I was going to say I'm going to give one point to the to just 1210 01:02:57,800 --> 01:03:01,720 the opening scene, but I can't because of the rape in it. 1211 01:03:01,760 --> 01:03:06,160 And it's just like it sets a murky time for the entire film 1212 01:03:06,160 --> 01:03:10,800 that then it doesn't sort of. No, it's it's really bad. 1213 01:03:11,280 --> 01:03:13,920 I mean, yeah, it's it's terrible. 0 Merrills. 1214 01:03:13,920 --> 01:03:16,360 I'm, I'm giving it, yeah. Ground breaking. 1215 01:03:16,840 --> 01:03:19,920 OK, what about Liza's? How camp is this movie? 1216 01:03:20,240 --> 01:03:23,040 I mean, that's a, it's a very, I feel like this is complicated 1217 01:03:23,040 --> 01:03:25,600 camp now. Yeah, it is because it is. 1218 01:03:25,800 --> 01:03:30,520 The fact that Prigine Nelson cannot act makes this film very, 1219 01:03:30,520 --> 01:03:33,440 very camp. Like very, very calm you've. 1220 01:03:33,440 --> 01:03:36,280 Got every person in this movie unable to act. 1221 01:03:36,320 --> 01:03:39,760 Every single one. There is not a single actor in 1222 01:03:39,760 --> 01:03:40,960 the movie. Which is an achievement. 1223 01:03:40,960 --> 01:03:43,160 I know it's a low budget Hollywood film, but that is an 1224 01:03:43,160 --> 01:03:44,960 achievement. There's not just one person that 1225 01:03:44,960 --> 01:03:47,440 was like, oh, do you know they were underused? 1226 01:03:47,480 --> 01:03:49,600 No, everybody was used today we're. 1227 01:03:49,600 --> 01:03:52,520 Going to make an English language movie with a bunch of 1228 01:03:52,520 --> 01:03:55,280 people with English as their second language that are former 1229 01:03:55,280 --> 01:03:57,640 models. I mean, again, that's quite camp 1230 01:03:57,640 --> 01:03:59,360 in itself. That's the premise. 1231 01:03:59,360 --> 01:04:01,960 That is quite camp. And you know, there are elements 1232 01:04:01,960 --> 01:04:06,720 like, you know, the, the sex hole, the evil lesbian, the gay 1233 01:04:06,720 --> 01:04:08,120 magician. I mean, there are. 1234 01:04:08,120 --> 01:04:09,440 Gay magician. What? 1235 01:04:09,440 --> 01:04:11,760 I will say the porn screensaver. Yeah, the porn. 1236 01:04:11,880 --> 01:04:14,920 OK, so this is a camp film, but it's not a camp classic in my 1237 01:04:14,920 --> 01:04:19,160 mind, so I'm gonna give it 5. It is camp though, in my mind. 1238 01:04:19,160 --> 01:04:22,920 What about you? I'm going back to the list 1239 01:04:22,920 --> 01:04:25,760 Unlocks Queer joy. Yeah, but it it was I was wet 1240 01:04:25,760 --> 01:04:27,280 and then I was dry. I was wet, then I was dry. 1241 01:04:27,280 --> 01:04:29,720 I was wet, then I was dry. Sounds like you need to go back 1242 01:04:29,720 --> 01:04:32,280 to that clinic again. Get that swab in you again. 1243 01:04:32,320 --> 01:04:35,360 Thanks. Syphilis ongoing legacy. 1244 01:04:35,360 --> 01:04:37,800 I mean, we've we've had a reboot this year. 1245 01:04:38,080 --> 01:04:39,720 So stupid. It's genius. 1246 01:04:40,360 --> 01:04:42,120 Yeah. Underdog plot vibes. 1247 01:04:42,120 --> 01:04:43,560 I mean, huge underdog plot vibes. 1248 01:04:43,920 --> 01:04:47,800 I think I'm going to give it. I'm going to give it 7 lies. 1249 01:04:47,800 --> 01:04:50,680 OK, OK. I'm giving it 7. 1250 01:04:50,960 --> 01:04:56,120 I respect that. Yeah, I think it belongs. 1251 01:04:56,280 --> 01:04:58,880 I think it deserves to be seen by queer people. 1252 01:04:58,880 --> 01:05:03,720 I think it is a funny experience and I I wish it wasn't quite so 1253 01:05:03,720 --> 01:05:06,000 forgotten. I also wish it was better. 1254 01:05:06,760 --> 01:05:08,200 I wish it went down a little bit easier. 1255 01:05:08,480 --> 01:05:10,320 But it's got a lot to redeem it, I think. 1256 01:05:10,320 --> 01:05:12,760 I think for me, I think I completely agree with you. 1257 01:05:12,760 --> 01:05:15,720 I think the reason it doesn't quite work for me is I just, as 1258 01:05:15,720 --> 01:05:17,480 I said, I just got a bit bored with it. 1259 01:05:17,560 --> 01:05:20,680 Yeah, and it just took too long. Whereas I I compare it to films 1260 01:05:20,680 --> 01:05:24,920 like Key Man, Masters of the Universe and Supergirl. 1261 01:05:24,920 --> 01:05:27,240 And for me they're similar in salt, but they're a bit more 1262 01:05:27,240 --> 01:05:30,080 deliriously like, what the fuck is going on? 1263 01:05:30,080 --> 01:05:32,480 There's more to kind of keep my mind occupied. 1264 01:05:32,480 --> 01:05:33,960 And this was. That's so true. 1265 01:05:33,960 --> 01:05:37,120 Whereas with this, as you said though, when it gets you wet, 1266 01:05:37,600 --> 01:05:40,280 you're dripping but you just dry up very quickly. 1267 01:05:40,400 --> 01:05:43,640 Yeah, yeah, no, Supergirl is a great comparison because they 1268 01:05:43,680 --> 01:05:46,640 are very similar in lots of ways. 1269 01:05:46,840 --> 01:05:49,640 But yeah, Supergirl just the pacing never lets up. 1270 01:05:49,640 --> 01:05:52,560 It just stays relentlessly camp. Yeah. 1271 01:05:52,800 --> 01:05:57,160 Yeah, but you know, I'm glad that we I'm glad we discussed 1272 01:05:57,160 --> 01:06:00,640 this one. Yeah, and stay tuned in a moment 1273 01:06:00,640 --> 01:06:04,480 for my interview with MJ Bassett, the director of the new 1274 01:06:04,560 --> 01:06:06,160 Red Sonia. Because we are what? 1275 01:06:06,920 --> 01:06:08,640 Journalists. Sure, Jan. 1276 01:06:09,240 --> 01:06:10,840 Yeah. Well, I'm not, I'm not allowed 1277 01:06:10,840 --> 01:06:12,880 in on the interview. But no, I'm very excited to hear 1278 01:06:12,880 --> 01:06:14,520 this. Well done, Crystal. 1279 01:06:14,760 --> 01:06:17,520 Who's going to be next? We need to, we need to get the 1280 01:06:17,520 --> 01:06:20,080 black book out and get some more names in, don't we? 1281 01:06:20,320 --> 01:06:22,440 I'm working on it baby. OK, we're working on it. 1282 01:06:22,520 --> 01:06:24,840 Well, listen, whilst that, it's been a lovely chat with you 1283 01:06:24,840 --> 01:06:27,360 Crystal, and I'm gonna miss you when I'm gone. 1284 01:06:27,560 --> 01:06:31,160 See you on the other side. I hope the rehab takes this 1285 01:06:31,160 --> 01:06:31,840 time. Yeah. 1286 01:06:32,280 --> 01:06:34,240 Fingers crossed, fingers crossed. 1287 01:06:34,240 --> 01:06:38,040 And we'll be back in two more weeks with another Camp Classic. 1288 01:06:42,280 --> 01:06:44,040 Hi, I'm Jay. Welcome to Camp Classics. 1289 01:06:44,160 --> 01:06:45,920 Thank you very much. Well, and happy to be. 1290 01:06:45,920 --> 01:06:47,640 Here. Thank you for being here and 1291 01:06:47,840 --> 01:06:51,360 Congrats on Red Sonia, it's fab. Oh, that's good. 1292 01:06:51,360 --> 01:06:52,320 I'm glad. That is fab. 1293 01:06:53,400 --> 01:06:54,960 That was that was the that was the intention. 1294 01:06:54,960 --> 01:06:56,080 That was the intention. Good. 1295 01:06:56,080 --> 01:06:58,600 Well, congratulations you. You made your mark. 1296 01:06:58,680 --> 01:07:01,760 I want to get into something at the top, which is one thing that 1297 01:07:01,760 --> 01:07:06,360 we, when we discuss camp movies on this podcast is we look for 1298 01:07:06,360 --> 01:07:09,360 an element of queer joy. We say that's that something 1299 01:07:09,360 --> 01:07:10,920 camp is something that unlocks queer joy. 1300 01:07:11,040 --> 01:07:14,120 I'm wondering for you, what is something that unlocks queer joy 1301 01:07:14,120 --> 01:07:16,520 for you when you're watching a movie or ATV show? 1302 01:07:17,000 --> 01:07:19,280 Oh my goodness me, that's an what an interesting question. 1303 01:07:20,160 --> 01:07:21,760 I just thought, you know, when you watch somebody with 1304 01:07:21,800 --> 01:07:23,960 compassion and inclusivity, it's like it. 1305 01:07:23,960 --> 01:07:26,800 I don't, I don't need much. I just need to see a little bit 1306 01:07:26,800 --> 01:07:31,240 of I think it's compassion. The the moment, the moment you 1307 01:07:31,240 --> 01:07:35,080 see people engaging in a real way with maybe this leather 1308 01:07:35,080 --> 01:07:37,280 divert because I'm I'm woke as it comes, right. 1309 01:07:37,280 --> 01:07:42,000 So it's like, I just want to see somebody see, see an an other 1310 01:07:42,000 --> 01:07:44,080 person. And I mean, I mean, otherness in 1311 01:07:44,080 --> 01:07:47,880 the sense of different in those in those kind of very profound 1312 01:07:47,880 --> 01:07:50,240 ways and just go, it doesn't matter that you're not 1313 01:07:50,240 --> 01:07:52,240 different. I want people to not care. 1314 01:07:53,280 --> 01:07:55,720 That's what I really want is I don't want anything. 1315 01:07:55,720 --> 01:07:57,080 I mean, not to get political really quickly. 1316 01:07:57,080 --> 01:07:59,480 I don't want special treatment. I just want people not to give a 1317 01:07:59,480 --> 01:08:00,400 shit. I love that. 1318 01:08:00,400 --> 01:08:02,760 And if I can see that in a world where it's like, yeah, it 1319 01:08:02,760 --> 01:08:04,640 doesn't matter about diversity, doesn't matter about this, it's 1320 01:08:04,640 --> 01:08:06,080 fine. That's that's, that's my joy, 1321 01:08:06,600 --> 01:08:11,160 clear or not, right? I mean, apropos Sonia, right? 1322 01:08:11,160 --> 01:08:13,320 Well, the queer joy is the fact you have a transgender film 1323 01:08:13,320 --> 01:08:15,520 maker making it. And I had a really good time. 1324 01:08:15,520 --> 01:08:17,880 So that was my it was my joy. I. 1325 01:08:18,319 --> 01:08:21,560 Absolutely love that it's you're what you're saying is treating 1326 01:08:21,560 --> 01:08:23,560 things as so matter of fact that it's almost. 1327 01:08:23,800 --> 01:08:26,800 Yeah, it's it's, yeah, as you say, inconsequential. 1328 01:08:27,279 --> 01:08:28,479 And that's what I'm really looking for. 1329 01:08:28,560 --> 01:08:32,399 It's like I'm looking for things where it's it doesn't really, 1330 01:08:33,160 --> 01:08:35,399 you don't even want to hang a Lantern on these things. 1331 01:08:35,399 --> 01:08:37,160 It's just that's your part of the world, right? 1332 01:08:37,160 --> 01:08:40,479 The moment, the moment you identify things as other, then 1333 01:08:40,479 --> 01:08:44,680 that becomes about separation. And I'm not really interested in 1334 01:08:44,720 --> 01:08:46,920 in that. And I think what I wanted, what 1335 01:08:46,920 --> 01:08:51,080 I want in the world is I don't want and again, to be we need it 1336 01:08:51,080 --> 01:08:53,840 like trans awareness day, but I want trans ignoring day. 1337 01:08:53,840 --> 01:08:54,960 I want a day when we're not in the. 1338 01:08:54,960 --> 01:08:58,200 Headlines, yeah. I want a day when there's no 1339 01:08:58,200 --> 01:09:00,800 we're not being politicized. I want a day when nobody gives a 1340 01:09:00,800 --> 01:09:03,920 fuck about us. Right, but in an in an 1341 01:09:03,920 --> 01:09:07,160 incredibly benign, neutral way. Yeah. 1342 01:09:07,560 --> 01:09:10,760 I don't want to be politicized. So that's sort of my my queer 1343 01:09:10,760 --> 01:09:13,920 joy is to be ignored. Oh, I love that. 1344 01:09:13,920 --> 01:09:15,800 That's a new one for me. But actually I think it's 1345 01:09:15,800 --> 01:09:18,160 incredibly relevant in 2025. Yeah. 1346 01:09:18,160 --> 01:09:21,160 Thank you. The Could you tell me about some 1347 01:09:21,160 --> 01:09:23,359 of the movies that that shaped you, some of the things that 1348 01:09:23,359 --> 01:09:27,279 growing up that maybe sparked some queer queerness in you? 1349 01:09:27,279 --> 01:09:28,840 Well. No, because The thing is I never 1350 01:09:28,840 --> 01:09:30,920 really, I don't really call myself a queer filmmaker. 1351 01:09:30,920 --> 01:09:34,880 That's the other thing is like I tend to make quite robust genre, 1352 01:09:34,880 --> 01:09:37,240 genre stuff. And for most of my life, you 1353 01:09:37,240 --> 01:09:39,880 know, you identify things where you go, OK, I like the Rocky 1354 01:09:39,880 --> 01:09:42,200 Horror Show, but you know, like, OK, we'll fight, but then you 1355 01:09:42,200 --> 01:09:44,080 don't be queer for that. You have to be just a human 1356 01:09:44,080 --> 01:09:45,880 being with a kind of sense of rhythm. 1357 01:09:46,040 --> 01:09:48,040 But in terms, if you're asking me what influenced me as a 1358 01:09:48,040 --> 01:09:50,319 filmmaker, then that's one thing. 1359 01:09:50,319 --> 01:09:51,760 If you're asking me what introduced me as a queer 1360 01:09:51,760 --> 01:09:55,120 filmmaker, I'll say nothing because it didn't matter. 1361 01:09:55,120 --> 01:09:56,240 I love that. I love it. 1362 01:09:56,240 --> 01:09:58,400 Well, tell me about Tell me as a film maker then. 1363 01:09:59,360 --> 01:10:01,560 Well, yeah, OK, so Blade Runner is my favorite movie, right? 1364 01:10:01,560 --> 01:10:04,320 So that's there's that. But what influenced me, Alien is 1365 01:10:04,320 --> 01:10:05,800 the reason I became a film maker. 1366 01:10:06,440 --> 01:10:08,640 But so so you know, but I grew up on like the movies of Ray 1367 01:10:08,640 --> 01:10:11,360 Harryhaus and then Jason and the Argonauts, those kinds of films, 1368 01:10:11,400 --> 01:10:13,400 monster, creature features, monster movies. 1369 01:10:13,400 --> 01:10:17,120 That's what I adored. You know, I'd love Star Wars and 1370 01:10:17,120 --> 01:10:19,280 I'd like, well, that kind of, but but I never thought about 1371 01:10:19,280 --> 01:10:21,640 who made them. And then Ridley Scott just kind 1372 01:10:21,640 --> 01:10:23,720 of opened my eyes to, oh, you can do a thing. 1373 01:10:24,600 --> 01:10:27,960 And then I bought a video camera, those old bulky VHS 1374 01:10:27,960 --> 01:10:31,320 shoulder mounted video cameras and started making short films. 1375 01:10:31,320 --> 01:10:33,120 And everyone says, oh, you want to make short films about 1376 01:10:33,120 --> 01:10:34,960 animals? I said no, I want to blow shit 1377 01:10:34,960 --> 01:10:40,240 up because that was it's like allowed to make animal stuff 1378 01:10:40,240 --> 01:10:43,160 blow shit up and wear a dress and never knew about the dress 1379 01:10:43,160 --> 01:10:46,360 stuff for years. That sounds like queer joy to 1380 01:10:46,360 --> 01:10:50,320 me. That's queer joy, queer joy, 1381 01:10:50,320 --> 01:10:52,400 vital fire, many decades of unhappiness. 1382 01:10:52,400 --> 01:10:56,640 But yes, I got to it eventually. But it's that sense of what 1383 01:10:56,640 --> 01:11:00,280 films press a button in you. And I grew up on 80s kind of 1384 01:11:00,280 --> 01:11:02,440 action pictures and fantasy pictures and horror pictures, 1385 01:11:02,440 --> 01:11:04,640 right? So and you can you can argue a 1386 01:11:04,640 --> 01:11:07,560 lot, but the lot of horror is extremely campy. 1387 01:11:07,680 --> 01:11:10,200 Absolutely. But but I, and this is this is, 1388 01:11:10,480 --> 01:11:14,600 this is the wrong podcast to say this is I don't like camp very 1389 01:11:14,600 --> 01:11:15,880 much. That's okay. 1390 01:11:15,880 --> 01:11:20,240 I would say that I would say your your picture is is not camp 1391 01:11:20,320 --> 01:11:25,400 No to its credit, but the the OG is certainly is super camp, 1392 01:11:25,400 --> 01:11:29,400 super camp because I also. And, and, and it's like it's 1393 01:11:29,400 --> 01:11:32,440 what identifies something as as campy. 1394 01:11:32,720 --> 01:11:36,560 A lot of those, it's partly because it doesn't take itself. 1395 01:11:36,560 --> 01:11:38,960 The campness is a joy and a like a winkiness. 1396 01:11:38,960 --> 01:11:41,400 And it's like this notion of hey, we're all having a good 1397 01:11:41,400 --> 01:11:44,400 time here, folks. But that to a certain extent 1398 01:11:44,400 --> 01:11:48,480 breaks the 4th wall for me. So I don't want to step outside 1399 01:11:48,480 --> 01:11:51,120 that. I want you to watch Red Sonia 1400 01:11:51,120 --> 01:11:53,440 and go I but this is a believable real world with a 1401 01:11:53,440 --> 01:11:55,920 believable real character. And at no point do I say to the 1402 01:11:55,920 --> 01:11:58,520 audience, yeah, I know they're all dressing up and being silly 1403 01:11:58,520 --> 01:12:02,160 and running around with swords. So one of my push backs when I 1404 01:12:02,160 --> 01:12:05,520 was young watching the original Red Sonia was like, it's too 1405 01:12:05,520 --> 01:12:10,440 campy now. Also, clearly I was denying who 1406 01:12:10,440 --> 01:12:13,760 I was for decades, right? I knew I was tramped, but it's 1407 01:12:13,760 --> 01:12:16,680 like I'm not leaning into that because that's too embarrassing 1408 01:12:16,680 --> 01:12:18,680 and there's too many other things going on in my life 1409 01:12:18,680 --> 01:12:21,840 there. So I push back against camp as a 1410 01:12:21,840 --> 01:12:25,520 deliberate way of avoiding confronting who I was. 1411 01:12:25,800 --> 01:12:28,360 So there's that, which is just a way deeper conversation. 1412 01:12:28,360 --> 01:12:32,360 But but, and now I like I, I, I celebrate camp and I think it's 1413 01:12:32,360 --> 01:12:34,600 wonderful because I'm not ashamed of myself. 1414 01:12:35,280 --> 01:12:37,400 But it's still not in me as a film maker. 1415 01:12:37,560 --> 01:12:39,720 That makes sense. I do have AI mean there is a 1416 01:12:39,760 --> 01:12:42,840 werewolf musical, a transgender werewolf musical I want to make. 1417 01:12:43,320 --> 01:12:46,520 OK, you give with one hand and take with the other, right? 1418 01:12:48,160 --> 01:12:50,160 But I. Might and and that will probably 1419 01:12:50,160 --> 01:12:52,200 be a little Cam. Sounds like it's going to have 1420 01:12:52,200 --> 01:12:55,120 to be well, thank. You know, there's a version of 1421 01:12:55,120 --> 01:12:56,960 that where you just go, we're going to take this deadly series 1422 01:12:56,960 --> 01:12:58,280 there. That won't work, but there will 1423 01:12:58,280 --> 01:13:00,280 be. There will be just so much joy 1424 01:13:00,280 --> 01:13:03,800 in that. But yeah, so it's, it's the the 1425 01:13:04,040 --> 01:13:06,880 the journey for me was not not necessarily about finding a 1426 01:13:06,880 --> 01:13:09,080 queer joy in movies. It was much more about finding 1427 01:13:09,080 --> 01:13:12,600 this is these push my buttons emotionally and from a kinetic 1428 01:13:12,600 --> 01:13:15,360 action point of view. And I've made a lot of action TV 1429 01:13:15,360 --> 01:13:20,680 and movies and I'm very good at breaking things like blowing 1430 01:13:20,680 --> 01:13:23,440 shit up and crashing cars and shooting guns and having people 1431 01:13:23,440 --> 01:13:24,720 fight each other and fuck each other. 1432 01:13:25,080 --> 01:13:27,480 And that's sort of that's my sweet spot. 1433 01:13:27,920 --> 01:13:32,600 And as I've got older, I'm getting more able and more 1434 01:13:32,600 --> 01:13:35,680 comfortable with doing like, OK, let's deep reach into emotion a 1435 01:13:35,680 --> 01:13:38,720 little bit more because I'm not again, not embarrassed or 1436 01:13:38,720 --> 01:13:42,240 ashamed. And why, where can we find like 1437 01:13:42,240 --> 01:13:45,000 with Red Sonia? Ultimately, it's about 1438 01:13:45,000 --> 01:13:47,400 compassion and love. I mean, it really is at the end 1439 01:13:47,400 --> 01:13:48,960 of the day. I mean, there's lots of sword 1440 01:13:48,960 --> 01:13:51,880 fighting and monsters and and and violence and all those other 1441 01:13:51,880 --> 01:13:55,400 things. But the movie has has nothing to 1442 01:13:55,400 --> 01:13:59,440 say about women at all. It's not, it has no gender I 1443 01:13:59,440 --> 01:14:04,720 gender conversation at all, very, very specifically because 1444 01:14:04,720 --> 01:14:07,160 I think the moment you have the conversation, this is what I'm 1445 01:14:07,160 --> 01:14:09,720 saying about otherness and normalising things. 1446 01:14:10,280 --> 01:14:12,400 It's like, I don't give a shit whether Sonia's a woman or a 1447 01:14:12,400 --> 01:14:14,200 man. I give a give a shit that she's 1448 01:14:14,200 --> 01:14:18,440 a person, you know? And certainly versions of the 1449 01:14:18,440 --> 01:14:23,400 script did exist where it was she's a woman fighting men and 1450 01:14:23,400 --> 01:14:25,840 men are evil and cruel. And it's like, well, now I've 1451 01:14:25,840 --> 01:14:27,760 lived a lot in the male world and I don't think all men are 1452 01:14:27,760 --> 01:14:29,680 cruel at all. I think it's a bad conversation 1453 01:14:29,680 --> 01:14:32,040 to have. And also I'm much more concerned 1454 01:14:32,040 --> 01:14:37,600 about environmental issues, so I wanted to make she's a custodian 1455 01:14:37,600 --> 01:14:41,360 of the world and her femininity and her maternity and the kind 1456 01:14:41,360 --> 01:14:43,720 of the goddess element. So it's like I touched on that a 1457 01:14:43,720 --> 01:14:46,480 little bit, but it's still not a controlling element of the 1458 01:14:46,480 --> 01:14:47,800 movie. The controlling element of the 1459 01:14:47,800 --> 01:14:52,040 movie is she is a person in the world doing a thing and her 1460 01:14:52,040 --> 01:14:54,440 gender is inconsequential, and I think that's really important. 1461 01:14:55,000 --> 01:14:57,080 I guess that's maybe answers this question actually, but I 1462 01:14:57,080 --> 01:14:59,760 wanted to talk to you about, you know, the male gaze that's so 1463 01:14:59,760 --> 01:15:03,440 present in the source material and how I didn't see that in 1464 01:15:03,440 --> 01:15:05,920 this. And I think that was really 1465 01:15:05,920 --> 01:15:07,920 special. And how did you want to tackle 1466 01:15:07,920 --> 01:15:09,560 that? Or is it as you say, you just 1467 01:15:09,560 --> 01:15:11,840 wanted to make sure it wasn't a factor at all? 1468 01:15:11,960 --> 01:15:14,440 Well, it's with red Sonia the, you know, one of the defined 1469 01:15:14,440 --> 01:15:16,720 certainly the the comic book versions. 1470 01:15:17,040 --> 01:15:20,360 You know, she's iconic because of her look, not because of 1471 01:15:20,360 --> 01:15:24,240 anything she ever does. You know, she's a sports model 1472 01:15:24,240 --> 01:15:26,920 in a chainmail bikini, right? With that, that. 1473 01:15:26,920 --> 01:15:29,480 And so she's so iconic. There's no way I could make the 1474 01:15:29,480 --> 01:15:34,800 movie without addressing that and touching on that for myself. 1475 01:15:34,800 --> 01:15:37,520 I wasn't interested in in objectifying her. 1476 01:15:37,520 --> 01:15:39,680 And that was obviously that's part of the whole the fact that 1477 01:15:39,680 --> 01:15:41,120 she's a woman is inconsequential. 1478 01:15:41,120 --> 01:15:44,960 But you can't deny the audience. You can't deny that history. 1479 01:15:45,600 --> 01:15:49,640 So the, the the answer was to lean into it and say, oh, she's 1480 01:15:49,640 --> 01:15:51,160 going to wear a chainmail bikini. 1481 01:15:51,360 --> 01:15:54,600 It's not going to be her choice. It's going to be because 1482 01:15:54,720 --> 01:16:01,320 something is expected of her as as an object of gays from a 1483 01:16:01,320 --> 01:16:03,080 crowd, right? You know, in the way in the way 1484 01:16:03,080 --> 01:16:07,960 that I don't know, beach volleyball players, women were 1485 01:16:07,960 --> 01:16:12,080 expected to wear bikinis, right? Well, that's not about playing 1486 01:16:12,080 --> 01:16:13,760 volleyball, is it? That's nothing to do with the 1487 01:16:13,840 --> 01:16:15,760 the sport. That's something to do with how 1488 01:16:15,760 --> 01:16:19,440 people want to watch the sport. Now, by the way, it's up to an 1489 01:16:19,440 --> 01:16:21,840 individual to choose how they are viewed in the world. 1490 01:16:21,840 --> 01:16:24,520 I had no judgement on any of that at all. 1491 01:16:25,080 --> 01:16:27,160 But it's a similar for me. Sonia was a similar thing. 1492 01:16:27,160 --> 01:16:31,320 Is like she's presented to a crowd as a certain kind of woman 1493 01:16:31,640 --> 01:16:34,120 and then she immediately demonstrates she's not that kind 1494 01:16:34,120 --> 01:16:35,600 of woman. Right. 1495 01:16:35,640 --> 01:16:38,560 Exactly. Yeah, it's, it's it's a fabulous 1496 01:16:38,560 --> 01:16:40,680 meta conversation that's happening in the movie, which I 1497 01:16:40,680 --> 01:16:44,240 really, really liked. Another element, I guess that's 1498 01:16:44,240 --> 01:16:48,280 really present in the original, which is missing here in a 1499 01:16:48,280 --> 01:16:50,720 positive way. You know, sexual violence is a 1500 01:16:50,720 --> 01:16:54,080 real device for the character in the 80s movie. 1501 01:16:54,520 --> 01:16:56,840 What was the choice there? And the choice is that I 1502 01:16:57,160 --> 01:17:00,720 incredibly strongly object to using rape and sexual violence 1503 01:17:00,720 --> 01:17:03,320 to women as a motivating factor to give them power. 1504 01:17:04,480 --> 01:17:06,120 I think it's, I think it's horrendous. 1505 01:17:06,280 --> 01:17:09,520 And it was so common, right? But the only way one woman can 1506 01:17:09,520 --> 01:17:12,320 be strong is if she needs to commit violence against men. 1507 01:17:12,640 --> 01:17:15,720 And I think that's awful. And, and I know that it was a 1508 01:17:15,720 --> 01:17:17,400 trope and it continues to be a trope. 1509 01:17:17,880 --> 01:17:19,640 And I tried to avoid it desperately. 1510 01:17:19,640 --> 01:17:21,960 And I didn't think it mattered, right? 1511 01:17:21,960 --> 01:17:23,800 I mean, there's still, you know, like her village is destroyed 1512 01:17:23,800 --> 01:17:25,520 and she comes from a revenge, you know, like there's, there's, 1513 01:17:25,520 --> 01:17:27,360 there's still certain motivating factors. 1514 01:17:27,840 --> 01:17:30,400 And I don't, you know, I mean, like when you look at I Spit on 1515 01:17:30,400 --> 01:17:32,520 Your Grave and those old horror movies back in, you know, 1516 01:17:32,520 --> 01:17:34,160 there's always some element of violence. 1517 01:17:34,160 --> 01:17:36,360 And that's to not to diminish that sexual violence against 1518 01:17:36,360 --> 01:17:38,960 women is still incredibly prevalent, but I don't think it 1519 01:17:38,960 --> 01:17:43,840 should be a narrative device to give them power at all. 1520 01:17:44,160 --> 01:17:47,200 And so, yeah, it was a it was a total conscious choice. 1521 01:17:47,200 --> 01:17:49,360 I didn't want to do it. I wasn't interested in it. 1522 01:17:49,640 --> 01:17:52,000 It was a red line for me. Now it's interesting that 1523 01:17:52,000 --> 01:17:55,520 Matilda Lutz, who plays Red Sonya, is in an amazing movie 1524 01:17:55,520 --> 01:17:59,080 called Revenge, which sort of does deal with that. 1525 01:17:59,200 --> 01:18:02,200 Yeah, it's the kind of cathartic version. 1526 01:18:02,440 --> 01:18:04,840 It's a kind of cathartic, but well, ultimately it's always, 1527 01:18:04,840 --> 01:18:09,160 it's always slightly cathartic because most of the movies you 1528 01:18:09,160 --> 01:18:13,360 see the woman does get some kind of revenge or some is is 1529 01:18:13,360 --> 01:18:16,080 empowered, right? They do become a more powerful 1530 01:18:16,080 --> 01:18:18,280 person. I just think it's a terrible way 1531 01:18:18,280 --> 01:18:21,480 of getting there. And there are plenty of ways of 1532 01:18:21,480 --> 01:18:26,440 becoming empowered and strong without needing a man to have 1533 01:18:26,440 --> 01:18:28,760 violated you. I think my this is my opinion, 1534 01:18:28,760 --> 01:18:29,880 but that's I think that's the way I. 1535 01:18:29,880 --> 01:18:32,160 Totally agree, and as you say, I think there are ways to do it 1536 01:18:32,160 --> 01:18:34,960 that are good, but so often it was done by a male director and 1537 01:18:34,960 --> 01:18:37,120 there was an element of titillation in that. 1538 01:18:37,280 --> 01:18:39,720 Oh, well, that did that was that, that's a, that's a whole 1539 01:18:39,720 --> 01:18:42,880 other other thing. Again, it's like, I'm not, yeah, 1540 01:18:42,880 --> 01:18:44,320 I don't. I'm not going to judge anybody's 1541 01:18:44,320 --> 01:18:48,240 choices artistically, but absolutely, I think it's right. 1542 01:18:48,240 --> 01:18:49,600 Right to. No, I lied. 1543 01:18:49,600 --> 01:18:51,000 I do judge your choice statistically. 1544 01:18:51,080 --> 01:18:52,120 It's wrong. Don't do it. 1545 01:18:52,480 --> 01:18:54,320 It's fine. Judgement is very welcome on 1546 01:18:54,320 --> 01:18:59,080 this podcast and we talked about the sexual violence, but also 1547 01:18:59,080 --> 01:19:02,200 there isn't really a romance storyline in this movie either. 1548 01:19:02,400 --> 01:19:05,440 It's well, they're they're. Well, they're, it's interesting 1549 01:19:05,440 --> 01:19:07,640 when I, when I took the movie over, because it had been in 1550 01:19:07,640 --> 01:19:09,440 development for many, many years, there were lots of 1551 01:19:09,440 --> 01:19:10,840 iterations of the script and stories. 1552 01:19:11,320 --> 01:19:17,120 The studio guy who who owns the whole company was like I said, 1553 01:19:17,120 --> 01:19:18,720 this is what I'm going to do with I'm going to this one. 1554 01:19:18,760 --> 01:19:20,600 I'm going to do with the movie. He would like, I don't care what 1555 01:19:20,600 --> 01:19:22,160 you do with the movie. Just tell me, have you got this? 1556 01:19:22,160 --> 01:19:23,760 Is it going to have a love story? 1557 01:19:24,160 --> 01:19:26,560 And I said, oh, yes, it's going to have a love story. 1558 01:19:27,360 --> 01:19:30,560 And but it's not going to be. It's going to be about her 1559 01:19:30,560 --> 01:19:32,480 loving her horse. Right. 1560 01:19:33,280 --> 01:19:37,400 OK, the love story, The love story of the movie is the fact 1561 01:19:37,400 --> 01:19:40,880 that she loves her horse. It's her companion and actually 1562 01:19:40,880 --> 01:19:43,920 there's stuff, there's, there were things cut out of this edit 1563 01:19:43,920 --> 01:19:46,600 of the film, which explains that relationship even more strongly. 1564 01:19:46,600 --> 01:19:48,720 There's a scene where she has the baby horse and she raises 1565 01:19:48,720 --> 01:19:51,200 it. And I, and I thought, oh, well, 1566 01:19:51,200 --> 01:19:53,480 that's, that's something I can relate to because I always like 1567 01:19:53,480 --> 01:19:55,440 movies where you have, I remember growing up with those 1568 01:19:55,440 --> 01:19:59,120 movies where it's always about compassion towards an animal and 1569 01:19:59,160 --> 01:20:01,240 the natural world. And it's much easier to relate 1570 01:20:01,240 --> 01:20:02,800 to that. And I believe that's Cruise now. 1571 01:20:02,880 --> 01:20:05,440 She does have a little thing going on with Prince Osin. 1572 01:20:05,600 --> 01:20:08,760 She does. With play by Luca Pasquini and 1573 01:20:08,760 --> 01:20:11,480 he is, he's a beautiful, handsome man and I can 1574 01:20:11,480 --> 01:20:13,240 understand why she would fall for him. 1575 01:20:13,800 --> 01:20:17,040 But I don't consummate it. I don't make it a thing at all. 1576 01:20:17,360 --> 01:20:19,440 And maybe if we make a second movie, I'll deal with that 1577 01:20:19,440 --> 01:20:22,760 because I do think she needs to own her sexuality at some point. 1578 01:20:23,160 --> 01:20:28,040 And Red Sun is 100% bisexual in my view, because she just wants 1579 01:20:28,040 --> 01:20:32,160 she whatever she'll want. And I think she's grown in the 1580 01:20:32,160 --> 01:20:34,440 by the end of this movie, she's growing into a person who does 1581 01:20:34,440 --> 01:20:38,120 understand herself and her power and what she wants from the 1582 01:20:38,120 --> 01:20:39,640 world. And I definitely think there's a 1583 01:20:39,640 --> 01:20:43,320 version of her where she will be more engaged with her sensuality 1584 01:20:43,320 --> 01:20:46,280 and her sexuality. But it just didn't feel like it 1585 01:20:46,280 --> 01:20:48,880 was part of this story for her. That makes sense. 1586 01:20:49,040 --> 01:20:51,400 I mean, I was shipping Sonia and Anicia. 1587 01:20:52,960 --> 01:20:57,480 Well, yes, there's there's again, there's a scene cut out 1588 01:20:58,120 --> 01:21:02,640 where we definitely, definitely touch on that a little bit in 1589 01:21:02,640 --> 01:21:04,440 the in the sense there's a moment where they get more 1590 01:21:04,440 --> 01:21:07,120 physically intimate with each other and you just go, you 1591 01:21:07,120 --> 01:21:08,640 really should just kiss now, girls. 1592 01:21:08,920 --> 01:21:11,040 That's what I was yelling at the TV. 1593 01:21:11,200 --> 01:21:15,200 Very true. No, you're you're as 580 1594 01:21:15,200 --> 01:21:17,840 sentence was tingling correctly. Good, good. 1595 01:21:18,040 --> 01:21:20,640 I'm always looking for a lesbian where I can wherever I can find 1596 01:21:20,640 --> 01:21:22,720 one. They would be a very hot couple, 1597 01:21:22,720 --> 01:21:24,080 by the way. Absolutely. 1598 01:21:24,280 --> 01:21:27,880 But I I realized that if I opened, if I opened that 1599 01:21:27,880 --> 01:21:30,040 narrative thread, I had nowhere to go with it. 1600 01:21:31,120 --> 01:21:33,720 Ultimately fair. But yeah, Wallace is fantastic 1601 01:21:33,720 --> 01:21:35,160 and she's got she's Wallace days. 1602 01:21:35,160 --> 01:21:37,280 So stunning, So stunning. So stunning. 1603 01:21:37,640 --> 01:21:39,800 Last question, why should people see this movie? 1604 01:21:40,160 --> 01:21:42,360 I don't know, 'cause you've already seen Fantastic Four in 1605 01:21:42,360 --> 01:21:43,960 Jurassic World and there's nothing. 1606 01:21:47,680 --> 01:21:50,200 Humble Queen. But you should see the movie 1607 01:21:50,200 --> 01:21:53,400 because there's almost no sword and sorcery stuff made. 1608 01:21:53,400 --> 01:21:55,680 It's a really good version of a sword and sorcery movie. 1609 01:21:55,920 --> 01:21:59,840 It's got loads of action in it and violence, and it's got a 1610 01:21:59,840 --> 01:22:01,320 cyclops in it, for goodness sake. 1611 01:22:01,320 --> 01:22:03,160 When's the last time you saw a cyclops? 1612 01:22:03,720 --> 01:22:06,000 And it is a movie that ultimately has a positive 1613 01:22:06,000 --> 01:22:10,040 message about compassion and love and understanding, even in 1614 01:22:10,040 --> 01:22:14,960 the face of horrendous odds and a world which is cruel. 1615 01:22:14,960 --> 01:22:18,160 And I think we sort of might be living through that right now. 1616 01:22:19,440 --> 01:22:21,960 Yeah, I loved that theme. I loved that theme. 1617 01:22:22,360 --> 01:22:24,000 And actually my true last question. 1618 01:22:24,720 --> 01:22:28,320 We have a running trope on the podcast about evil women wearing 1619 01:22:28,400 --> 01:22:33,200 white suits. Would you be happy for Anisia to 1620 01:22:33,200 --> 01:22:35,840 be entered into the Hall of Fame of evil women wearing white? 1621 01:22:36,120 --> 01:22:38,360 She absolutely should be. She should be right up on the 1622 01:22:38,440 --> 01:22:39,800 throne there. Exactly. 1623 01:22:40,880 --> 01:22:42,920 She is, she is. She is the whitest of white 1624 01:22:42,920 --> 01:22:45,520 women, very white. It's incredible. 1625 01:22:45,520 --> 01:22:48,640 She was made for it. You are you, please, with my 1626 01:22:48,640 --> 01:22:50,760 blessing. Thank you so much and 1627 01:22:50,880 --> 01:22:53,720 congratulations on the movie. It's it's so fab and I can't 1628 01:22:53,720 --> 01:22:55,160 wait for everyone to see it. Thank you Gracel. 1629 01:22:55,160 --> 01:23:00,080 Get away from her, you bitch. Blessing. 1630 01:23:01,160 --> 01:23:03,480 He was in. The Amazon Primal when she was 1631 01:23:03,520 --> 01:23:09,480 researching spiders right before she died, no. 1632 01:23:11,840 --> 01:23:14,160 I thought you become a prostitute or a dog and it's I 1633 01:23:14,160 --> 01:23:17,520 used to love doggy chow. I used. 1634 01:23:17,600 --> 01:23:18,880 To love doggy chow too.