I used to love doggy chow. I used to love.
Doggy chow, too. I'm a glamazon who skulks around
in corners with some random hot fashion guy.
I'm Crystal. Do you know why I agree to work
with you? Why I always work with the same
girls? Stylish, slender, of course.
Worship me. But so often they turn out to
be, I don't know, disappointing and stupid.
So you with that impressive resume and that big speech about
your so-called work ethic, I am. I thought you'd be different,
Crystal, I said to myself, go ahead, take a chance.
Hire the smart fag. I had hope My God, I live on it.
Anyway, you ended up disappointing me more than all
of this silly other guys. I'm baby lame.
That's all. That was so unnecessary.
Sorry. I had an idea and I was like,
I'm just going to go with it. And yeah.
I like that you substituted Fat Girl for a fag though, yeah.
I was kind of on the cusp a bit ad Lib.
You know, yeah, yeah, right. Yeah.
Substitute the slurs, Yeah. I should modify the same gaze.
I didn't really. Yeah, it needs workshopping
probably. There we go, Welcome to Camp
Classic. Thoughtful podcasts about stupid
movies. Every two weeks we get together
and discuss another film in the Canon of someone younger and
hungrier coming down the stairs after you.
There's always someone younger and hungrier coming down the
stairs after you. Or another scene in a hospital
bed with some lesbian tension. Oh, there you go.
You've been putting some work into this.
I mean, I can't. Remember what the last one was?
But it's definitely the third. Film all films about Neve
Campbell starring Neve Campbell. We were nearly three of those.
I'm. Very excited to be here.
You know who else is excited to be here?
Neve Campbell. What a great party of five all.
Right. Thank you.
How are you? I'm OK, yeah.
Thanks for asking. I'm, you know, I've just been
living, Yeah. Trying to survive, thrive, you
know, Other than that, nothing. OK, what about you?
Well, as you know, I just got back from Berlin.
I know because you have a more interesting life than me.
I get it. And I was definitely cursed by
our episode, which came out the day before I got there where
I'm. Not just you, that was cursed as
well. Yeah, yeah.
I don't know if you remember in in our 54 episode, but I said
I've only been turned away from Bergheim once.
And I also said that 54 was my friend Erica's favorite movie.
Well, the Bergheim gods heard us and they said not you 2, not
tonight, better luck next time. And we were both turned away.
Why were you turned away though, do you know?
It was a pretty cool, intimidating lesbian bouncer and
I was going in with my friend Anna and she asked us something
in German and I said yes. So Anna got in.
No, the question was, why did you come here tonight?
And I said yes. And then she was like, but I
didn't understand what she said. And she's like, if you don't
speak German, just say you don't speak German.
You're just wasting my time. Fair.
Yeah. And well, then it was just over
for me. But we were definitely so.
It was over for you. So was everyone else turned
away? Oh.
If you if it's either a yes or no for your whole group, so you
like. The last time I went, which was
over a decade ago, it will it there was a divide in the group.
Yeah, there was one person that wasn't allowed.
Oh, they have. I've seen them do that before
too, actually. They're like, well, let 2 of you
in. Yeah, exactly.
And so then the three people have to decide, like, who's not
going? You can't make me choose.
So then I took it as my mission. So we went back at 6:00 AM.
What did you do differently? Dressed better OK and so then
Saturday we went to bed really early got up at 5:00 AM, went to
the door at 6:00 AM. Totally sober in like a
specific. Totally sober.
Actually, yes though, and it was the same bouncer and I swear
there was a flicker recognition where she was like, I recognized
the hustle of you trying again and she let us in.
And so then we stayed for two hours.
We went in a 6:00 AM because the bouncers change at 8:00 AM.
This is too much information, but the bouncers change at 8:00
AM. So if you don't, if you get
rejected at six, you can then just try again at 8:00.
So we went, but we got in straight away.
So then we just stuck around until 8:00 until the bouncers
changed so she wouldn't see us leave, went home, had a big nap,
went for brunch, and you've got to respond at that point.
So then you can just get right back in.
What? Like it's hard.
Yeah, that was that was way too long the explanation there, but.
But then then I proceeded to spend sent 19 hours there from
1:00 PM until 8:00 AM Wow. Yeah.
Got a lot done and that was a couple of days ago wasn't it?
So I can only apologise to anybody listening to this
podcast if Crystal suddenly just drops off, which could happen.
I look pretty good for a dead bitch.
Or burst into tears. Yeah, all start sweating.
Don't tell me with a good time all of this, I could get tears
today. Let's go Well, it won't be over
this fucking film. Spoiler alert if you haven't
guessed it already from the clues, because we are taking
another step into our complete and utter basic dumb by doing
this episode. We.
Are, but it's in the zeitgeist. It's culturally relevant.
Yeah. Sure, we need to.
The people want to know our take.
On because what I will say is my boyfriend said to me, you're
doing the film that like no one ever in the world needs to talk
about ever. Because of the amount of press
that everybody's been doing. Everybody has spoken about this
film then, and because of its sequel, no one needs to talk
about this film ever again. Yeah, you might be right.
Hey, I've got, I've got. I'm going to save it though.
I've got a hot take on one of the characters.
Wow, is it that the friends aren't very nice ground
breaking? It's actually one particular
friend, beginning with AB, the boyfriend, the.
Boyfriend. Yeah.
Hot take alert.
I remember, I remember, we'll get to.
I know we shouldn't talk about this now, but I do remember for,
like, many years before it became like a viral thing,
literally being like, that is my take about this film and like,
not really meeting people that have had the same take.
And I was just kind of like, yeah, I like what?
I'm not like other girls. I actually think the friends are
kind of the bad guys ground breaking before we get into the
world. The cast of my life.
The Devil Wears Prada. We need to welcome new Gayatrion
members because we have a Gayatrion.
Yes, we do. Where you can subscribe.
Snappy little bunch, aren't they all?
Right. You can I just personal shout
out to Hey Eve Frankenstein. You are valid.
You are valid, Your name is real.
Eve came for me. So in our last episode I
welcomed new member Eve Frankenstein and you said that's
not a real name. Eve Frankenstein quick on the
Patreon said my name is as real as yours, baby.
Lame. I love.
It I love it though to be fair. I come on Eve.
As the more bullying you receive, I think the more we
both enjoy it. Yeah, exactly.
I'm very happy with that. But yeah, we do have a Gatron.
It's £4 a month, you get a bonus episode every month and you can
help us make this podcast possible.
We've got new members Joe, Josh Heller and Marley who if you
will recall, if you will recall, Marley is the person who sent
the swaggy message suggesting. Party girl.
And we were like, he's from the Bronx.
He's like. Well.
Man. Marley the swag continues
because Marley joined the Patreon on the free trial.
Yeah, clearly to listen to the Party Girl episode and then
cancelled. Oh shit, Marley.
Go off, Marley. Fuck you, Marley.
No, I'm into it. No, I'm into it too.
I love that energy. And you know what?
I encourage all of you. But also I saw that Marley,
sorry, I saw that Marley also replied to us and he's from
Essex. I didn't.
See that? That's why I was leading with
that Marley with his swag out. Isn't Jersey the really the
Essex of America? Yeah, I guess so.
Yeah, you can still have swag in God.
This feels very appropriate. This podcast we're now talking
about. Like TOWIE, you ain't ever gonna
get this candy. OK, I've got some comments to
read. Penguin Killbot says mysterious
Spotify listener here. Found Kemp Classics by the
amazing episode of You're Good with Crystal and River Butcher
and I'm so glad. Camp Classics has been a perfect
mixture of silly, queer, and scientifically rigorous.
A quick suggestion for the sack. Have you considered the truly
batshit 1980 musical The Apple You familiar?
I watched the trailer, it looks fucking insane.
Really. It's giving the music it's
giving return to ounces. Oh, OK.
Yeah. So thank you.
Good suggestion in the sack. Have you done a musical?
I don't know burlesque. That's a definitely a musical,
yeah. Amanda says hi.
I was recently reminded of the 2002 movie Tip Toes, which falls
into the So bad as good camp territory might be one for the
sack. The Synopsis An average sized
man struggles with revealing to his pregnant fiance that his
entire family are little people as he worries that their unborn
child may be born with dwarfism. You sent me the trailer to this,
have I? Yeah.
And you were like, what the fuck?
Is this it? I mean, it's, I think it's.
I don't know if we're. Capable.
I mean, it certainly does need to be discussed.
Someone needs to discuss it, maybe on another podcast.
I. Yeah, I definitely not qualified
to, no. I'm not ready.
I don't think I'm ready to laugh at that movie on behalf of any
community, but I do kind of want to watch it.
Oh yeah, definitely. Thank you Amanda, Sarah says.
Love the pod. Fall asleep to it every night.
Wanking. Should we?
Oh, Sarah, hi.
Sarah, it's your sleep paralysis demons here, Crystal and baby.
Don't like you doing that, voice.
The crashes have begun, everybody.
I can feel it. Sarah says I'd love to listen to
your take on Bottoms. Lesbian black comedy at its
best. Yeah, it's a great movie.
Yeah, it's a really good movie. I kind of risk, I kind of
bristle at doing a movie like that because I'm just like, what
is there to say? It's a funny comedy with new
people. Let's see Devil Wears Prada
instead. Ground breaking.
What is it to say? God forbid we might talk about a
film that's actually well made. I mean, yeah.
More comments Ren. Can I also just say I forgot
that it was Devil Wears Prada and I thought we were doing
Devil Wears Prada too, which I haven't seen yet.
And obviously I'm going to just open up the velvet curtain and
just let viewers and listeners backstage, you know, we, we talk
about a week in advance and just sort of make sure we're watching
the right film, don't we, Crystal?
I my mind, I was like, oh, yeah, we're doing Devil Wears Prada
too. And then it was like, Oh no,
it's Devil Wears Prada. And I was just like I was like,
of course we are because Crystal is always linear and will always
want to do it in order of release.
Ground breaking don't you think though?
Well. Whereas I'm just like, let's
just do anything out of order, it doesn't matter, yeah.
Yeah, that is very. So I was kind of like, oh, this
will be something new to talk about, no.
I just know that our most listened to episodes of the ones
where people have seen the movie.
So theoretically this episode is going to pull really highly.
It's just we're going to have to just be creative and think of
fun things to say about this movie.
And I have at least 2 groundbreaking.
Rens has petitioned to have Charlie on the pod for a proper
Spice Girls. Deep dive.
I would, I would love, I would love for all of them to come on.
But Charlie should definitely come.
On yeah, when the the day finally comes that we finally do
Spice World might need a break from big budget cash grabs after
this movie though. Yeah, yeah.
I'm kind of, I'm craving like a notes on the scandal coming up.
So I need something. We need to go to a different
genre. Last comment, Penners says some
like it Hot would be a fascinating talk because someone
else suggested that on our last episode.
It walks the pre and pro code tightrope.
Poor Marilyn was at her best and worst and I've never seen it so.
You'd never seen some like it hot.
That's so wild to me. That's really crazy.
I mean, I'm not who? Who suggested that?
Penners just now. Penners well I don't want to
like comfy penners but it is giving a bit like sixth form
college media studies essay just saying OK.
No, Marilyn. Listen, I would be, I'd be up
for it, but like. Poor Marilyn was at her best and
worst. I know, but but like, but you
know, I don't know, doing like a queer takedown of some like it
hot. It's just a bit like it's very
like doing Devil Wears Prada as an episode in my I'm open to it
and I haven't watched it for a very long time.
And if and if Crystal hasn't seen it, probably lots of very
new interesting insight about that movie.
That's me, full of fresh, fresh takes on really famous movie.
Branding because I'm becoming the villain at this podcast.
Becoming. No, I was always the city, I was
always the sassy fun sidekick who is just brought some like
energy and some like lols to the thing.
And now I'm becoming like the hateful money one.
I think between us, like you combine us and you probably do
get a bit of Miranda Priestly because you're the cunt and I'm
the soft spoken one. That's all.
Wow. Wow.
Sure. Right.
OK. We are going.
We are going to. You literally can't speak that
it's happening. I knew it would happen.
We are strapping kids. We need to pick a suggestion SEC
movie for our next movie. We'll do that at the end of the
episode, yeah. Yes, Yeah, we will.
OK, we'll do it at the end of. The episode.
I'm going to open this drink. Oh yeah.
Well, yeah. Thank you for this.
You know one thing the Devil Wears product does call for is a
fruity cocktail and a can ground breaking.
Right, girly. Well, here we go.
Here we go, still our year. Cheers.
And if you're drinking at home, cheers to you too and.
If you're not, you shouldn't be because you're listening to
this. OK, So yes, we are cover.
Did we cover all our business? I think so.
Oh, baby. Gosh, all that business that
just drove it right out of my head.
And I know you're waiting for me to ask what makes the CAP
classic. Please bore someone else with
your questions. I hate myself so much.
Do it again. I've got another one as well.
Baby, what makes a camp classic? Shant, which we like.
No, Shant. Listen, if we're going to do if
we're going to do this film, the only thing good is some of the
quotes. So, OK, what is a camp classic?
Well, thank you for asking, Crystal.
A camp classic is something that should unlock queer joy in the
words. Oh, I didn't.
I thought I could do it. I can't.
I need to read it. It's trained actor everyone.
I'm going to just do it like Emily.
Yeah, well it's something that unlocks queer joy.
I want to get to a wetty. Apparently it's stupid like you.
It needs to have an ongoing legacy and inform queer pop
culture unlike your career. And it needs to be anti
mainstream underdog flop vibes. It's been reclaimed by the F
slurs. Emily would definitely.
I was quite good at those. Good.
Yeah, something the. Trained actors back in the room
again. And today we're covering.
I really like how I use any opportunity to do monologues on
this podcast. It's like no one wants it.
It's fine, I can always trim them.
Yeah, you never do. Maybe I'll start putting them at
like 1.5 speed. OK.
Yeah, just like, yeah, maybe just do that with everything I
say. We're covering The Devil Wears
Potter. In case you didn't realize.
You didn't know. It's kind of silly to tell
anyone anything about this movie because we all know.
But obviously, it was a 2006 comedy film starring Anne
Hathaway, Meryl Streep, Emily Blunt and Stanley Tucci,
directed by David Frankel. Believe it or not, it was a big
hit. It was a huge hit.
Huge hit budget of about $35 million and it took 326 million
worldwide in the top 20 movies of the year.
Not only was that huge commercial hit, though, it was
also a critical success. Yeah, didn't bloody Merrill get
an Oscar nomination for? Meryl Streep received an Oscar
nomination for this movie, probably her 17th.
Yeah, it has 75% on Rotten Tomatoes Best Actress nom for
Meryl and for costume, and she won the Golden Globe for Best
Actress. So it's not a flop at all, is
it? There is.
No world where this movie is a flop.
There's no way to squint at it. You might call it underdog.
Because of where it came. From where it came from.
But I don't even think you can do that when you've got Meryl
Streep in it. And now it's like a juggernaut,
like mass budget franchised sequel, isn't it?
There's like a given it's going to sell.
I saw this comment. High key, abhorrent, blatant gay
bait. Vogue caricature, sterile
corporate pride slop. Painfully corny.
That's what it's become. Makes it sound quite good like
that. Maybe that's what I'm that's my
predictions for the sequel. And obviously there's a sequel
which is out now and it's also been a huge hit.
It's already almost made as much money as the first one had.
Shit, there you go. So there will be a third, then
there will be a third. Yeah.
But before we get into the plot and our all of our hot takes, I
thought we'd start with a quiz. Oh great.
It gets better and better and better.
We're. Playing porn or norm Devil wears
Prada edition. Oh, wonderful.
OK. Porn or norm the devil wears
nada Porn. Porn Correct.
Porn or norm? The Devil bears vagina.
No, you did that. You came up with that.
I like it. Norm porn or norm the dildos the
dildo so stupid. The the dildo spares nada.
Well, you did that. There's only so many ways you
can spin this and porn or norm the demon twink wears Prada.
I feel like that's real. It is the demon twink wears
Prada. That's great.
I want to watch that. I really want to watch well.
It's available on xhamster OK. And so for that research of the
quiz, you had to watch all of it.
Yeah. It's really not much about a
fashion magazine at all. What would the cerulean jumper
be? Oh, like a harness.
Yeah, I guess so. Like if you're talking demon
twink, yeah, it wouldn't be anything like actually Creative
Dark Strap. They're so different.
I hate this movie now. OK, let's get into the plot.
It's an opening montage. I know what's your history with
the movie though. Oh yeah, history with this
movie. History with this movie.
I don't know, I saw it when it came out.
I've probably watched it like 5 times since did.
You like love it? Yeah, I think I loved it when it
came out. Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, I think I loved it as well of.
Course, everyone loved it. I had it on DVD.
I've seen it. I think I've seen it like about
legit probably minimum 20 times. Oh wow, OK, I'm not that many.
But I'm still not good at quoting it and stuff.
But like, I definitely it's, it's just, it's always on TV as
well, isn't it? Yeah, everyone at the everyone
who's a millennial has a fond feeling for this movie.
I feel. So there you go.
Yes. OK, so it's the opening montage.
We meet Andy and. I'll tell you what camp clue is
not Suddenly I see by KT Tunstall in any world.
I hate that song. It's so fucking generic, Yeah.
I mean, it suits Andy quite well, doesn't?
It it's a real Andy song. Yeah, but this is the worst
montage in the movie. There are many montages.
This is the worst one. The rest of them are quite good,
but this one isn't good. But this is where we learned
that Andy. Well, she's not like the other
girls, is she? She's different.
She's not. She's just it's a bagel and.
Oh, she's messy. She gets the subway.
She's quite overweight as well, isn't she?
What a fat so. Yeah, I mean, that's just what's
implied throughout the film, isn't it?
There she is like this, slender, like deer, like creature.
Yeah. And she's interviewing for a job
that she is not qualified for. So like basically the first
words out of her mouth is like, who is Miranda Priestly?
Like imagine going to a fucking job interview and not knowing
who the boss who you'd be working.
For like an esteemed, like, fucking public, like the world's
biggest publication. It's like a dream job, she'd
say. Yeah, she shouldn't even be
allowed in. She's got a.
Journalism degree. She doesn't know who Anna
Wintour is. Or to even think I'm going to
just do a quick search about that.
It's the first of many things that Andy does in this movie
that is baffling slash moronic, baffling slash moronic.
It's like she's she's a vehicle for for plot explanation.
And so they have to make her do really stupid things.
Yeah, but this one, really, this one really grabbed my gears.
Yeah. Then we get the Miranda arrival
scene and this is fabulous. And it's like the whole setup of
these characters are I still as we're like, we are talking like
no one has ever seen this movie ever, which I know is kind of
the job of the podcast, but it's just like, I'm literally like,
what are we doing? But no, like Emily Blunt, the
introduction of Emily Blunt is fab in this movie.
We know that she. Yeah.
I'm just like, who does she play?
She plays a stuck up, bitchy British girl, Yeah.
Yeah, apparently it wasn't written British, but she pushed
for it and that's what got her over the edge in the audition
process. And this was her big break.
There you go. Apparently in her audition she
got called back. The studio wanted to see her
again, but they were under the instruction that she wore
something chica. Oh.
I saw an interview about that recently that was quite and also
Anne Hathaway was like the 9th actress in line to get this
role. Yeah.
Like she really? Really wanted Rachel McAdams for
this. And Kate Hudson, Yeah, which
again, I'm like, why do I don't? I don't really.
Would it have mattered who the main?
Person No. I think the Anne Hathaway role
is like you can interchange basically anyone.
Yeah, there's nothing about her performance that's no.
She she does a good job. Oh, yeah, totally.
Yeah. I think I really rate Anne
Hathaway now. I think she's done a lot.
Me too. In her career, but she's just
generic here. Yeah.
And that's kind of what the role.
It's it's like Julia Roberts. It's like the Julia Roberts of
her age. Yep.
Yep, this Miranda rival scene though.
Have you seen the big business version?
No Bette Midler. So the scene.
Yeah, yeah. So this scene is basically a a
recreation of Bette Midler's arrival scene in big business.
Which is? I haven't even thought about
that. I don't know if they were just
ripping it off or they were making an homage, but it feels
like an homage because there's even that elevator shot, like
Bette Midler and Miranda are going up in the elevator and
they both like lift their head up and into the camera and it's
just very like, that's the first time you see their face.
It's very good. I saw recently for like promo
the sequel. Have you seen Miranda meeting
Anna Wintour? Yeah.
It's really annoying. So annoying.
I think something I found interesting about this movie in
terms of when it was released, although obviously it had
connections and they were like overlays with like Vogue
magazine. I got the sense from, like,
material at the time that Anna Wintour was not happy with the
association. And I thought that was kind of
cool that it was kind of pressing some buttons and, like,
and like, Meryl was kind of hitting some beats.
And I think I can't remember if the September issue came before
or after. Yeah.
And again, and that was kind of another because I feel like up
until that point, people had only heard of Anna Wintour, but
she wasn't like, kind of a celebrity per SE.
And by that point, we hadn't really had the like, you know,
all of the Kardashians like fully to where they got to.
So I think it's interesting. She's just kind of like an
industry figure with a reputation.
But then this kind of put such a spotlight on her and then she
sort of had to do a September issue to.
But yeah, I just totally. I.
So I love that and I loved and I loved all of this.
Like, fucking hell, Meryl Streep is playing a bitch here.
Is this real person like this? And it just kind of, it felt
like you were getting access to the the fashion industry more
than you would as just a. Regular person, I think, I think
Anna Wintour handled it so well by like kind of being aloof
above it and then doing something much cooler, which
showed the magazine in this very cool light and was very like,
I'm above this and like, I also have nothing to hide.
But like, like, fuck, kind of fuck this movie in like, the
coolest way you could do it. It shows how far like print
media has fallen in the 20 years since this movie, that now
you've got Anna Wintour, like, basically licking the ass of
this movie. Like you can't.
Like you can't just have a dignified silence and just rise
above it. Because you need the attention.
Yeah. And like, you need to have
cameos and you need to cosign it.
And it's just. Yeah.
So I don't I, I guess that's maybe something about watching
this film in general is like what it was compared to what it
is now is probably really different.
For sure, for sure. We didn't have toxic boyfriends
then. What was I also going to say
about that, Miranda Merrill? It's a wig.
It's a wig.
Sensational wig, No. Well, normally we would say wig.
But it's a wig. Yeah, today it's.
It's a fucking wig. Wig.
She is swooped. She is a wig.
That is a fucking gorgeous. Wig.
Yeah, just like a little bit of bounce.
Not too much, not too big, not too small.
Where is the lace? Stunning.
Amazing. Yeah, sensational.
Don't be a faggot, don't fag out.
So then Andy gets interviewed by Miranda directly because
Miranda's sick of Emily's choices and she gets the job
despite having no qualifications and no interest in fashion.
It's not a question. Not a question.
She's you know, she's doing the job, but that's and then we get
the you know what happens? She's shit at her job.
She thinks she's a better than it all, blah blah blah.
And it takes us to the cerulean speech.
Yeah, which has again, has been spoken about a million fucking
times. But I still think it is a really
great bit of writing. It's great.
And I remember I saw an interview because obviously
there were thousands of fucking interviews with them all at the
moment. But I saw an interview with
Meryl and the interviewer said he was a fashion designer.
He said that he felt it really grounded the film and gave it
truth to the fashion industry. And apparently she requested to
have something written in the script, didn't she?
That just kind of because it just does, because so much of
the film sort of jokes about the fashion industry as well, but
it's a huge industry and it's like people work really hard in
it. There's art involved and I think
it just. Yeah, this movie, I think it's
got an interesting. It's trying to thread a line
between like this is art and this is business.
And I'm not sure it's always entirely clear what it thinks
about all of that. But like, and that was
definitely one of the things when I used to work in fashion
that I really chafed against, which was the like selling
things to people, to rich people that they don't need.
Right. Yeah, and.
It's like, and so kind of that whole speech is about that.
It's like, well, you've, yeah, you've important.
People have chosen it for you, yeah.
Yeah, like, but also like none of that matters.
Like it's you're not what? Nothing in that speech is like
doing anything good for the world.
Particularly. It's just like explaining how
big the business is. But then there's the other side
where like Stanley Tucci later in the movie talks about like
how it's art and you put it on your body and you express
yourself. And it's really powerful in that
way. And I think the movie doesn't
always like hit that button quite hard enough because that's
what I love about fashion. It's the self-expression.
But then at the same time, it does, it does, I get what you're
saying about the business, but it does kind of, it does sort of
remind people about all of the jobs for sure.
Yeah, the industry. It's an important thing.
Yeah, there's and you can't like be like it doesn't matter
because it is. Yeah.
And that's what's good about that speech.
But it's very county. And, you know, and then I think
from this point we are understanding how Meryl Streep
is playing this role. And that's why she got nominated
for an Oscar and that's why she won a Golden Globe, because her
choices alone are like insanely to kind of just go against
character or just go against the trope of what you'd expect.
And you know, you reference that they pulled on Bette Midler in
big business and she she plays shrieking she boss.
That's how she does it. Whereas Merrill just and and
even watching Anna Wintell that you can tell it's based on Anna
Wintell. But Merrill brings this like
this breathiness in her like the way.
She based it on Clint Eastwood. Oh really?
When he directed her just he would never raise his voice and
and yet everyone would be like terrified of him and would do
whatever he said. And she kind of plays games with
it as well. Like she kind of will be like
jokey and kind of pause and take different.
I mean, from that perspective, I always find whenever she's on
screen, it's like hugely enjoyable to me.
So really like rich role, isn't it?
The other thing she said was that she took some of the humour
of the character from Mike Nichols, who was the director of
her in Postcards from the Edge and Silkwood.
And she said the thing he would do that was the most devastating
was like, you put someone down in a in it with a joke in front
of people and then everyone around you laughs at the person
and the person even that you're putting down also has to laugh.
It's like the most devastating thing you can do.
Savage But also to kind of have even that kind of insight into
kind of how people ticket that kind of shows a lot about
Merrill because I've something I've noticed from like a lot of
the press, they've done this go round.
They all seem a lot blunter about everything like they were
talking about like showbiz parties and everyone shouting
and like Meryl's just like, oh, it's a load of bullshit.
I don't want to go to those things.
But then she was also saying about how she was having
personal problems when they were filming this film and she kind
of didn't really want to like hang out with the younger
actors. And part of that was to kind of
keep the sort of the characterisations as well.
But she kind of also was just like, there were new kids on the
and she just found it annoying and she didn't kind of want to.
And I love that because it wasn't like, you know, it's all
these like, oh, I welcomed Annie and you know, she's just, it was
just like, oh, these fucking kids who I don't want to do
this. I've got my own shit going on.
She doubled her fee for this film.
She didn't want to do it, did she?
She? And then she was like, I'll only
do it if I get double. And they paid up.
So obviously she was just quite, quite aware of business with it
as well. And she even said as well that
she would hear them in the hair and makeup trailer, like
laughing and yakking, having a good time with everyone.
And she literally would just be in her trailer, like, oh for
fuck's sake. And I'm just like, I feel like
you don't get that side of Meryl.
No. And I'm just like that's.
Also funny because like the stories have definitely changed
since the first press cycle where she was like, I was
method, I couldn't be around them because I was trying to
like preserve the character. And now she's now 20 years ago,
she's admitting she's like, no, I just found them really
annoying. I didn't want to be around them
and she was probably saying that.
And I think it's just great that she's just revealing kind of a
darker side to. Her so good, so good.
But yeah, the Sterling speech is iconic and it's a camp clue
because obviously, obviously there have been so many drag
numbers inspired by this scene, by this character.
The best one's probably Brooklyn.
Brooklyn does amazing. We also get the bag and coat
montage. Now this is my that's my
favorite montage in the movie. I fucking love it.
Where's that piece of paper I had in my hand yesterday?
So good. And just the Foley of the sound
of the coats and bags hitting that table.
It does something to my brain. I fucking love it.
Where's that piece of paper I had in my hand yesterday
morning? So does you.
You said that you worked in the fashion industry.
Do you have like? Does this have any connection to
like your experience of? Working, I think, because this
is like publishing and I was in the designer side.
I do recognize the Emily for sure.
Yeah. And I've met, I've met Anna
Wintour. Have you?
Yeah. Oh my God.
I was like, when do we bring this up?
The interviews coming up at the end of this podcast, everyone,
that's normally what you. Do imagine.
Imagine, I mean, I don't know how else to say this, but like
there is a world where I never moved to London and worked in
fashion and did anything. And that has led me into this
point in my life. Andy, if not for this movie, I
don't like, I don't know, I I don't remember thinking
consciously let me go and do that.
But like, watching movies like this and being like, oh, you
should go to the big city and pursue like a glamorous life
definitely would have influenced my decision to do that because
that's the reason I came to London.
And then I worked in fashion for three years.
We would go to Paris twice a year and it felt like the most
fucking glamorous thing you would do.
And you're in a showroom and Anna Wintour does a walkthrough
and sees your collection. And was it like how it's
presented in this movie? So in the movie, it's it's like
she sort of implied that she'll just give a nod and then it's
like the whole the whole collection has to be started
again. No.
And also by that point you've already shown.
So it's showrooms, it's for sale.
Oh, OK, right. So and she was act like she was
just very nice, as obviously she is.
Yeah, she was just very polite. She obviously had her sunglasses
on. She walked through, she shook
everyone's hand. She said nice to meet you.
She showed interest in the collection and she moved on and
like, because that's what obviously what she would be.
Like, but it was because anyone with that like level of power,
like they're kind of like the people that don't matter.
They can, they just put on like an easy facade that doesn't
commit. And then it's only really, I'd
imagine the people that are like working directly with them that
would get like the the brunt of it.
Yeah. That's so interesting.
Yeah. And also like the other thing
with it, like seeing the the vapid people like and the
shallowness of like everyone trying to make it in that biz,
like the Emily of it all, that was really a thing.
And like, I think the people I worked with even at that time
were probably dressed a bit like Emily.
Yeah, as well, you know, So it's just quite funny.
Yeah. It's funny rewatching this movie
because it is a bit of a time capsule of like that period in
my life. Anyway, I love the bag and coat
montage give me. That little table that I like
because that's. Get us a reservation for dinner
tonight at that place. Andy sucks at her job and she
disappoints Miranda because of the flying her out thing.
Doesn't matter. Well, yeah.
It's interesting though, because this is where I link to it and I
think this is quite an interesting jump with what the
second film and what I hear about, you know, because I think
Miranda is being brought up to date with like what's
appropriate behaviour in the workplace, what isn't, etcetera,
etcetera. But I feel like when I started
in TV, it was exactly the same thing.
You were encouraged to kind of, I'm rewarded for being on call
constantly doing everything you possibly can.
And then almost like the impossible would give you kind
of like a badge of honour and another kind of, and it was
toxic. Like I could, I could completely
relate to both Andy and Emily because I've definitely been in
TV jobs where I've been like, I'm going to make sure I go to
the top and that that means I have to push everyone out of the
way. I will do.
And then obviously you, you grow up a bit and you're like, that's
not cool. But I just think it's
interesting how it, like you said, it's a time capsule, but I
think it's a time capsule of like how like those kind of
industries did breed people and it was based on like success,
but it was also based on like bragging.
I don't have a life because I give everything to my job.
So. I thought about this watching
it, I was like, I bet this is more like being like a runner on
ATV show that is about. And the impossible, but again,
like just kind of but beating it and then it becomes addictive
because you've you've succeeded where others haven't.
And it's. Yeah.
So it just reminded me of like TV properly.
Yeah. That we're both just like seeing
our traumas, yeah. Exactly.
Yeah, trauma. Trauma, Trauma.
Trauma, trauma, trauma. There's no, I was Emily.
I said. I related to Emily.
So I was like, the trauma I've got is that she never got to do
her full job and ended up in hospital.
But I will say what we've seen so far is like we have got like
impeccable casting. We've got great cameos.
Giselle is one of the like fashion I.
Hate her in this, do you? I think she's quite like, but I
think just to have her there, the fashion box, doesn't it?
But like, Emily's perfect. Emily's perfect.
Andy's what you need her to be like.
Obviously Miranda is perfect. And then we get Stanley Tucci
again, playing the only character he seems to be able to
play at this stage of his life, a gay man, but he does it
impeccably. Yeah, he's playing the same
character he plays. He will play in burlesque.
And as we discussed, burlesque is once he gets sick of
Miranda's shit, he starts working with Sharon, a nightclub
in LA and. Then he's had an argument with
Cher. But yeah, Andy sucks at her job
and she's not getting the respect she thinks she deserves.
So she goes to Stanley Tucci to give, and he gives her a kind of
weird pep talk that is basically the Kim Kardashian no one wants
to work anymore speech. Yeah, yeah.
Get your ass up and work. It's very like anti millennial
coded MO millennials. You just want a trophy for
everything and you're lazy and you want a badge.
I don't know, I'm not that into that message, but he does have a
point. Like if she's going to take the
job and going to try and do it, like either do it or don't like
quit or commit. Yeah, I mean, I do think there
are like decent people that are talented and worked hard that
probably deserve the job more than her.
Yeah, I don't think you have to be a fucking cunt to work in
this fashion world in this movie.
And she is really ungrateful. Yeah, and takes it hugely for
granted. Yes, so it is.
It is a bit. I do understand why lots of
people hate her in this film. Totally.
It's, it's a bit of, it's a bit of both.
I think everybody's kind of wrong.
Yeah, totally. But yeah, but it is just like
because. He's so he's drunk the Kool-aid
so hard that he's like, well, she's not going to change so.
Like, yeah, yeah. Put up with it or get out.
And that's like that's not OK. I feel like I'm just my old TV
self is coming back in because I'm just like, well, that's the
business. You just have to like, right?
I can't view it critically. I'm like.
Well, yeah, yeah, no, I think it's fair enough.
And like he also does have a point.
Anyway, now she gets good her job because she gets a makeover.
And loses weight. Yeah.
She stops eating cards as well carbs, doesn't she?
Yes, she stops eating. Yeah, grilled cheese.
So we get a makeover montage. That's the Chanel boots, an
iconic, another iconic moment. And then the Vogue montage.
Yeah, and I mean, she looks fine, doesn't she?
I like that she doesn't look fashionable, she looks stylish.
Yeah, like. She looks clean, put together,
she looks rich basically, but she doesn't look we're just.
Celebrating that like. Because it makes sense for the
character. Yeah.
Do you know what I mean? Like, the people I worked with
in fashion, especially the people who worked in, like,
designer studios, they were the grungiest, scabby punks.
And, like, it was really cool. They were queer as fuck.
And like, they were pushing fashion forward, like, insane
style. But you could imagine also for
Andy, working in publishing like that is probably what she would
end up looking like. Totally, Yeah.
Yeah, she looks just like chic Expensive.
I mean, I'm trying to like, I'm trying to like go back to it and
not in the sense of I've seen it 1000 times.
We've talked about it. Is the montage like an enjoyable
camp montage? I think the first time I saw it.
Yeah, because it kind of endlessly glides in and out of.
Shops, doesn't it? And then it's well filmed.
And then it finishes with Emily being like, are those the.
Yeah, yeah. We're not even speaking.
I'm sorry. We're literally just saying
lines and then not finishing. So we know, but.
I think you all know what we what the rest of the line is.
Are you wearing the don't even need to say it reductive anyway.
Yeah, she gets bangs, she gets Chanel, but.
You said she got banged. I was like, oh.
That too. She gets banged in the Chanel
boots. You know she kept those boots
on. Oh.
They're so high, like thigh high.
Very good. Then it's the friend's dinner
scene now, guys listening at home.
I don't know if anyone has ever said this Said this before, but
her friends are kind of shitty. I don't know if you've ever
noticed. I thought you were being genuine
there because they are just obviously cunts, don't they?
Yeah, she gives them some nice gifts and then they play hot
potato with her phone. It's really annoying.
But they also I they are just like the most generic.
We have a woman of colour who's a bit sassy and we have and the.
Only woman of colour in this movie?
Yeah, the only the only person of colour in New York City,
apparently. Which is fucking wild.
And then like fucking a low rent version of what's his name from
Mean Girls. Yeah, Is he supposed to be gay
coded? Yes.
I don't think he is. It's not explicit.
And they give him, like, they kind of give him shit in a way
that it's like, you're a straight man, you shouldn't know
about this. Stuff.
No, he is gay. I don't think.
He is gay. No, because there's a bit where
it's like, Oh my God, she's so fierce or something like.
Yeah, but every time he says something like, and you're that
designer, that's they all go, how do you know about this?
And it's almost played for laughs that a straight man.
It's like giving. I think it's giving metrosexual.
No. I think they chickened out of
putting a second gay man in this movie.
Well, there's no like, explicit mention of him being gay.
I think you're lying. Yeah, just I don't agree with
you. His name is Doug.
Is Doug gay in the Devil Horse Prada?
While often debated or considered coded by fans, he is
portrayed as one of Andy's unsupported friends.
Oh, it just seems like an unanswered question.
Ambiguity. Doug was often cited in fan
theories as gay, but this is not explicitly Canon in the movie.
Well, there we go, a fascinating hot new take everybody.
I mean I mean he just seems like a vapid gay and he also seems
like a fucking the opposite to like a fag hag doggy a faggot.
Right. But he's also the only the only
one of the three who are is actually supportive.
How he's. Excited for?
Her only because no, but he was. I'm not buying.
He he never shames her for having the job.
He's excited for her when she gets to go to Paris because he's
gay. Yeah, but.
No, but like, that's why he's gay, because he's excited.
No, no, I agree with you. I I look the the character is
definitely gay coded and it's weird that they didn't just make
it explicit. I think the movie is trying to
say that he's a metrosexual man and that's why Lily, the black
friend is always like, why do you know about that?
But anyway, that that point aside, he's the only one who's
like happy for her, basically because Lily's like, you've
changed. Yeah, he's just a weak guy.
He's just beggy, beggy gay. Well, I'm glad that we talked
about this minor character that actually means nothing to the
plot. Yeah, that's what I will say
about this film that is like a there is a lot of like faffy,
unnecessary stuff. Like the best stuff for me is
when they are like in the meat of it and she's navigating the
industry. Yes.
And so all of this like sub storyline of relationships and
friendships are bullshit in my mind.
Speaking of, we then meet Christians.
Also as well, this is like something if you did have
friends that really fucking cared about you, Oh my God, it's
just repeating the same hot take.
There would be like a much more like layered dialogue about like
we're losing you, etcetera. They wouldn't be as like fucking
materialistic as they are. Yeah.
Yeah, yeah. I mean, the friends could have a
point. Let's get into that.
Should we get into it later? No, no.
OK, The friends could have a point if she actually like if we
saw the character change and she became a cow and the Mean Girls
of vacation of it all happened For example, where you see
Lindsay Lohan go from being a good friend to a bad friend, but
all we see is Andy trying really hard and I'm.
Just laughing because we're we're, we're literally the thing
that is like we were like eye rolling.
No, but like, The thing is, you can say to someone, I think this
job is bad for you and it's ruining your life.
Totally. Yeah, it's fair enough to do
that. It's just it's not OK to be like
you've changed and I don't like your new interests and they
threaten me, so fuck you. Which is what they do there we.
Go we're talking about this. Speaking of things with the
movie didn't need, we then meet Christian Thompson, this man.
Did they deliberately hire someone unattracted to play
this? Yeah.
Role. It's so confusing to me.
He. Likes meat headies?
Yeah, it. Looks like if the Pillsbury
doughboy like studied the game. Is it called the game?
That book where like you neg women into getting them to sleep
with you. Yeah, it's on my.
Pick up artist manual you know I.
Don't know that, but sure, yeah. Yeah, it's giving.
I get the pills, hate him, hate him.
Movie doesn't need him then then.
It's, I mean, that is an elaborate fucking Side Story.
Just trim that out, yeah. Yeah, but Andy has been
impressing at work and she gets entrusted to take the book home
and she's like, what's the book again?
The woman has a journalism degree, but that's fine.
One of the many other dumb, dumb things she does, she goes to
Miranda's house. Twins are there.
They're like, bring the book upstairs and Andy is a fucking
dummy. So she does it and she sees
Miranda having a fight with her husband.
And I mean, you know what happens but.
Again, like, you know, props were props I think needed like
the fear that Meryl Streep can generate just by that look.
It is like so wild what she can do with one stare.
You feel it in your core. So she's.
And again, I feel like I've been in that position in, like, my
younger career of like, fucking what I thought was the biggest
fuck up in the world. And you obviously look back and
you're like, oh, get a grip together.
But like, situations like that are real in these ridiculous,
like, media industries. Yeah.
And yeah. So I particularly love how like
chilling that is. Totally.
She's she's very good at acting. Meryl Streep.
Thank you for that insightful comment.
Don't have anyone ever. Said based on the counter pizza
around Meryl Streep. Don't know if anyone has ever
said that on a podcast before, but Meryl Streep quite a good
actress. I feel like we're yarding.
Do we just need to yard a free? Yeah, so then there's the Harry
Potter stuff. Who cares?
The gala benefit. I want to mention the gala
benefit because this that's where we meet my MVP of the
movie, Jacqueline. Oh, yes, OK.
I love Jacqueline Foley. I love her.
She's so Hot Topic. She looks like every French
Canadian woman I knew in 2006 that was like this funky Pat
Benatar style choppy little Bob with like.
I'm surprised she doesn't have like a pink like highlight
fringe and then a really funky pair of like green neon glasses.
And like, like a kind of twerk, yeah.
Or like a like a pleather. With a plant, Yeah.
A. Pleather kind of like, oh, what
do they call like legging? Patrick, something on top and
then yeah, play. Maybe like a ruffle somewhere?
Like a ruffle sleeve like. A really big oversized like
flower on the shoulder. I love Jacqueline Foley and I
love her. I love her.
Every time someone says her name, they have to say
Jacqueline. Who is she?
Jacqueline is the editor of. No, but who is she in real life?
Do you know what? Do you mean?
The the She's not a real person, is she?
The actress. Yeah, yeah.
The ACT who's per plays it. Oh, I don't know.
OK. I thought you I was like
something. Is this a real person that's
making a cameo? Oh, no, no, it's.
I wonder who played Jacqueline? So I don't know who played
Jacqueline. She's obviously based on the
editor of French Vogue, whose name was Corrine Rothfeld.
Well, I just thought because you said you loved her, I was just
like, I thought you might have been, thought you were going to
say, oh, did you know? Like this this woman who I think
she only has one line in the movie, which is Suprise, but
she's such a big like plot. Mac Guffin.
Yeah, OK. I like Jacqueline.
I also like this scene because we're at the Met Gala situation
and that's where we got the meme of the big, the big boobs, Devil
Wears part of meme. Have you seen this?
I don't think I have. You love a meme, don't you?
You've never seen this image? Oh yeah, it's so good.
Now that is what I want from the sequel.
But they won't dare. Give her a massive tit Joe.
Just to all three of them huge knockers.
That image is so seared into my brain that when I saw that shot
in the regular movie I was like, what's wrong with her boobs
anyway? She's has to do the gala.
She misses Nate's birthday. He's shitty about it.
And then Andy replaces Emily on the Paris trip.
But you might call Emily not in Paris.
Oh. God, Emily's hit by a car and we
got the hospital scene, which, I'm sorry.
I see the showgirl's parallels. Darling, I needed a break.
Yeah, I just. All I needed was Emily ending
the scene with Aren't you going to come here and give me a big
kiss? I mean, that would really help
it. Yeah, it.
Would it would. Well, no, again, it wouldn't
help it. It's absolutely fine.
It's funny her in hospitals funny.
Like it doesn't need that embellishment, but I think it's
just because it is so fucking tired that.
And then then she has a fight with her friend Lily, who sees
Christian kiss her on the cheek. And then they have a she has a
big fight with Nate. Yeah.
And again, because that's definitely, I mean, I know we're
going over the same thing about the toxic friends, but that's
definitely what you do, isn't it?
You you just accuse your friend rather than just going like,
hey, what's actually going on here?
Yeah, Oh yeah. And Nate's like you've changed.
You're the exact same as those girls you used to say.
You used to make fun of them, but now you're exactly the same.
So just admit it and then we can agree we don't have anything in
common. Like, well, maybe she's got some
new interests. God, I think we all know that
he's the villain, though, don't we?
So much so. I love that the actor has has
been the one that's had to, like, pay the cost because he's
like, he didn't even get asked to be part of it.
And he's like, when I read it, I didn't think it was that
problematic. And it's like, yeah, everyone
hates you now. Ground breaking.
And then, yeah, and he goes to Paris and I don't think I can be
bothered to explain it all. But lots of plot happens.
She sleeps with Christian, There's a bit more Jacqueline.
And then Andy decides she doesn't want to be like.
So as well, there's the whole thing about Miranda's like
they're coming for her job and they're going to take her down.
And then Andy's like loyal to Miranda.
And then we find out Miranda knew all along.
And then she throws Stanley Tucci under the bus and.
He takes it with grace because he's he's so worn, torn by the
industry. Exactly.
And then Miranda's like, I never thought I'd say this, but I see
a lot of myself and you, you can see beyond what people want and
need, and you can choose for yourself.
That's quite good actually. And and he's like, I don't think
I'm like that. And then what does Miranda say?
And he's like, what if I don't want what you have?
Don't be ridiculous, Andrea. Everyone wants this.
Everyone wants to be us. Great.
Well done. And then Andy throws her front
on the fountain. She quits.
What I will say is quite camp as well.
That whole scene when Miranda leaves the car because it's all
green screen, because they can't afford to bring Merrill to
Paris. They couldn't afford to bring
Merrill to Paris. That's quite funny.
Yeah, or they just filmed it in New York.
No they they did film him in Paris but they literally had no
money and so they I think they had to do everything in 2 days.
Yeah, but I just assumed, like whenever they were filming with
Meryl, it was just still in New York and they were pretending it
was Paris. Oh yeah, no, that's what I mean.
But they just, yeah, they couldn't fly her over.
Yeah, but that, I like that too, because it looks really shit
when they're driving in that car.
They're like the Paris going past the windows, just like, OK,
sure. It's like the pop videos of the
time. It's very like girls without
something kind of a. Yes, exactly.
I do think throwing your phone on a fountain is kind of.
Ridiculous. It's so cliche that I think it's
kind of camp have. You ever done anything like
that? No.
Are you that person? No.
I was about to say, I hope you're not.
No, I'm not that main character energy.
Yeah, I know you think I am, but I'm.
Yeah. No, I no, I don't think you are
now. I just think you probably could
could have been that person. You definitely have been in a in
a version of this film. I can.
Oh yeah. Yeah.
So Andy goes back to New York. She gets a job at a real
magazine, real journalists, and she kind of, sort of makes up
with Nate. Probably not going to stay
together. And then she walks past Runway
and she sees Miranda, and Miranda doesn't smile at her,
but then smiles to herself. The end.
But it's not the end, because it's back, and Miranda has
dementia now, apparently. Oh, really?
No, she doesn't. No, it's.
Just in the trailer, she can't remember Andy.
Yeah, but actually, that makes sense.
That makes sense to me. Yeah.
Because it's like, why would you remember like some fucking loser
that you worked with for a few months 20 years ago?
Yeah, like how long was she there?
Six months. Yeah.
And it's like, yeah, I made a big impact on your life.
Of course I did, because I'm Miranda Priestley.
Groundbreaking. Well, there we go.
Well, that was kind of probably the worst breakdown we've ever
done on this podcast ever. It's got to be the most known
plot of any movie we've covered. Yes, I assume, Like, I assume if
you listen to this podcast, you've seen this movie 10 times.
Yeah, Right. Yeah.
So that why are we doing it again?
Well, to give our fresh and hilarious perspective, OK.
So what is camp about this movie to you, I mean, and like, now
what? What generates that for you?
OK. Do you like the nostalgia of it?
I didn't. I did.
I did enjoy this rewatch and probably been five years since
I'd watched. And I was like, oh, some of the
jokes that haven't been overused to death I'd forgotten about.
And I was like, oh, that's funny.
And you know, it's just a joy to watch Merrell Merrelling this
hard. She Merrells so hard.
Yeah, she is this the most she's ever merrelled?
It's. Possibly the most she's ever
met, She's. Merrelling more in this than she
does in death becomes her, maybe.
I think so. And OK, so OK, right, Death
becomes her Devil Wears Prada. Is there any more competition?
Yeah, yeah, she's. Very Merrill.
Baby Merrill. It's like precursor to death
becomes a Merrill. That's the.
Same it's. Yeah.
Is this her final form of merrilling?
Is it is, is there, is there a scale of merrilling that we're
seeing or would you put Merrilling of Death becomes her
as equal to Miranda Merrilling? Well, it goes downhill after
this, doesn't it? Because Mamma Mia is a oh,
there's been Merrill. No, I mean I've the Merrill was
not all the way through. The Merrill is not Merrill.
But yeah, she's merryling. She's merryling the fuck house
down house. Down.
Chanel boots. Chanel boots, Mama.
So I find that camp. I also found like the, I don't
know, I found some joy in watching it and like remembering
what it was like to be me 20 years ago and like having
basically 0 gay representation and like having to use a movie
like this as like, yeah, an inspirational thing.
I don't know, it kind of, it was kind of sweet to me in that
regard. It's also like kind of
bittersweet because you're like, God, that's fucking pathetic.
But I know it's the whole film is really that like, you know,
and it reminds me as well. It's so interesting what you're
saying about like not having any like gay representation and
like, and like clinging on to these kind of things because it,
it reminds me of being like with one of my friends.
And we'd always get like all of the kind of lowbrow fashion
magazines, not even like Vogues. And we literally would just sit
through it and we'd just be like, what do you think of her
looking like this? What do you think of her?
And it's also very like, what's your diet?
Well, I live on a diet of Diet Coke, cigarettes and coffee.
Do you know what I mean? It's it's very reductive.
So reductive, yeah. And you're, it's very like it
came out at that time when you're like trying to figure out
how to be gay basically for me. And like, you're out.
But like, oh, guess, I guess now I'm supposed to be like a bitchy
queen or something. I don't know.
And like, you're kind of basically modelling yourself
after a Stanley Tucci, which is fucking grim, but.
Also, all of your friends are modelling you as that as well,
because they're modeling themselves as either.
Yeah. A combo of Emily.
Yeah. It's, it's literally like an
update on like, which friends character are you or.
No, it's it's worse. It's like, who are you in Sex in
the City? Totally.
Who are you in Sex in the City? You're Samantha now, aren't you?
Yeah, yeah, you're definitely. You're not even Samantha.
You're like. Yeah, like Samantha on
testosterone. But yeah, it's it's just that
kind of like slightly, what's the word where you want to be
something it's like. I don't aspiration.
Yes, slightly fucked up. This is the aspiration of life,
isn't? It we.
All want to wear like designer Chanel boots.
We all want to. Yeah, yeah.
It's pathetic. And like, it's so telling that
some a movie like this was all we had basically for gay
representation. Because I remember going out to
a club when I was probably 20 wearing a shirt that said please
don't feed the models. Oh, it's so fucking
embarrassing. Or like rhinestoning my own like
Chanel top. So fucking cringe.
I don't think 20 year olds are that cringe anymore.
No, they're definitely not this cringe.
But like I was in a very small town in Canada and this is what
we had and you're like trying to figure out how to be yourself.
And I don't know, maybe that isn't, none of that is camp
actually. But like, there was like
something about watching it that brought back those feelings and
I was like just kind of interested to feel them again, I
guess. Something I do enjoy about the
film is I enjoy seeing the kind of lushness of the world.
Like, it feels Hollywood to me, the representation of the
fashion industry and Hollywood. Yeah.
And you see, like, now, you know how, like, people talk about,
like, grading in movies as well. And they've compared the new
film with like, the old. And again, you just kind of
forget, like, kind of how like rich everything is.
And the fashion is gorgeous. It's lovely to see it all kind
of again. But the only problem is it's
just made a little bit too digestible.
I agree. I wish Emily had been more
outrageous avant-garde like. Apparently she's wearing like
Rick Owens and and like and a mule Meister in this movie, but
you don't really see it. She looks, I don't know, she
looks like she works in an office in 2006.
Like, I wish she'd been a bit more edgy, basically, because I
think that is kind of what's missing from this movie because
fashion has so much of that, and all of these characters are
quite safe. Yeah, true.
I watched a bunch of the deleted scenes.
Oh, yeah. There's like 20 minutes of
deleted scenes you can watch on YouTube.
I don't know. It's kind of interesting.
I don't really have anything to say about it.
Well, interestingly enough, Merrill now she's in her like
evil say as it is most she's apparently this new film she's
there's been quite a lot of her scenes that have hit the cutting
room floor. Oh, really?
Yeah. And she was just kind of like,
well, I guess they'll put it on some DVD extra uncut thing.
But I think it's something to do with test audiences, I think.
I think originally, like, she was made too likeable, right,
And too relatable in this film. And I think test audiences were
like, where's the Miranda we know and love?
Which actually brings me on to something.
Are we, like circling back to like, loving the bitch again
now? Is that what people want from,
you know, the toxicity of like a horrible bully?
Because a lot of people are drawn to her.
And I feel like she represents a lot of things that in the past
20 years have been like, this is not cool to have this in the
workplace. This the kind of are we like
circling around to, like wanting this culture again.
I don't think we want the culture, but I think we want to
watch the culture because it's fucking fun and it's fun to
watch me and mommy give you a spanking.
But is that what we want in like reality TV as well though?
Do we want? Oh yeah.
Everyone's getting mean again
now. So true, actually, Yeah.
Like you're selling Sunset. Like you don't get those women
without, Yeah. It just makes, it just makes me
laugh because we had this whole kind of like, you know,
obviously everyone just being kinder on social media and stuff
and it feels like everyone's getting a bit feral again and
nastier again. Let it happen.
There we go. Yeah, I will say I will.
Sorry. I will just say like obviously
it is really well written and for like a commercial comedy
that has like a chick lit slant to it.
I kind of don't really know anything from the genre that is
like, as is well done in terms of that.
Like it's funny. The jokes are there.
It's. Funny.
And they're executed immaculately by the main cast.
Yeah, Emily Bond is such like a physical, funny comedian.
She just. She's just great.
Yeah, she's so good enough and. She holds her own with Meryl
like it's that's what I think is like about this new one.
Is is like it probably won't be as interesting as it seems, but
like that's a juicy combo to me is because it feels like if
anybody's got it in her to go against Miranda Priestly, is is
that character. Well, what are your?
Do you know much about the new one?
Yeah, a fair bit. OK.
I don't really know anything about it.
I was going to do see if we did some predictions, but.
Will you you make some predictions?
I think my main prediction is that it's going to be absolutely
fine. It's going to be surprisingly
good in places and overall be quite average and I would much
prefer a Sex and the City 2 fucking car crash of like garish
racism. Then yeah then whatever.
This. I think you're right.
Like it's it's scored higher overall in rotted tomato rotted,
not rotted Rotten Tomatoes. And like people are saying that
it's it's actually in lots of ways better than the first
movie, but like, but also not as enjoyable.
Literally what you're saying because it's essentially, it's
essentially making really clear points about the like the
downfall of print and what that means in a world of AI taking
over. But I don't think it's doing it
in like AI think it's doing it in a really kind of smart way of
just sort of hands up. What the fuck do we do?
And it's also leaning into the fact that a lot of these luxury
brands now and luxury, you know, things like magazines as we see
all media budgets have just gone down so much.
And it's just kind of an insight into what what the industry
looks like when they're still trying to kind of.
Project Glamour. Which again, is what you're
saying about the Anna Winter of it all.
You know, like no longer can she just be this like editor of the
best magazine in the world. It's like she has to now go
viral on someone's TikTok or invite influencers to certain
events. So it's just, I think it's just
reflecting where we're at. Right.
I wonder if there's anything they're going to like address.
I presume they will address the fat phobia of this movie.
She now has an assistant that is there to correct her on any
problematic language that she makes.
That's kind of funny. Yeah.
But like, I wonder if they will
explicitly reference like, because that is the one thing I
would say in this movie that is that was incredibly glaring
watching in 2026, all of these fat jokes.
Yeah. It's they're just not OK.
And the. The movie is sometimes being
like, isn't it ridiculous, these expectations and aren't these
people awful for calling her fat when she's clearly not fat and
blah, blah, blah. But then she's like buys into it
and goes down to a size 4 and is rewarded for it.
And it's like the movie is trying to have it both ways.
And it's very. Yeah, I really don't like that.
So I could imagine them making some kind of like woke gesture.
Yeah, but I think it'll be more along the lines of this is just
a prediction. But like, you know, oh, we've
got a Lizzo on the front cover of the magazine and like Miranda
being like, what the fuck? Right.
Or. And then she could.
And then Andy will say something like, oh, I remember when I
worked here and you used to call me fat.
How times have changed. Yeah.
Why are we doing like a prediction of like, it's not
like this sequel has just been announced.
It's like out. If you're a fan of Devil's body,
you probably watched it. So therefore, much like us
talking about the film, you also don't need us to talk about a
film that we haven't watched. OK.
We might give more insight into Devil Wears Prada 2 than we have
done in this. I don't have anything else to
say. No, I think it's hard to talk
about a film. Well, why is it hard?
Why is it hard for us to enjoy this film when it's 20 years old
and we watched lots of films from 20-30 years that we've seen
millions of times? Because it's annoying to were
the annoying kind of gaze that when something we like gets mass
appeal, we stop liking it. That's what it is, isn't it?
Yes, this is the problem. It is too popular.
It's too popular. It's too successful and
therefore we hate it. Yeah, because even like, you
know, like obviously we've not talked about it but explicitly,
but we love Showgirls, but Showgirls still, although it's
got a huge cult success, it's never, never accepted by the
mainstream. But yeah, this film is just
it's. It is the this film is the
culture. Yeah.
Like, you could quote this film that anyone on the street and
they'd probably get it. I don't know.
We're here to celebrate. It's straight camp.
Yeah, we've been here. We've been to straight camp
before as well, yeah. Yeah, so on one hand I want to
be like, I'm sorry that I'm an annoying gay that only likes
things that are underground and niche or like subversive or
weird. But on the other hand, we
wouldn't have this fucking podcast if that wasn't the case.
So and I will continue being a bitter jaded old queen who likes
brat until there's brat club nights on every corner and then
stops liking brat. Also, then it goes against, it
goes against more than just films.
This is a deeper thing, you know, like a mass celebration of
something is like, you know, McDonald's is popular.
Does that mean it's good for you?
Now totally. No, it's, it's rotten.
You know you need to search for things that are really going to
nourish you. And I think the reason this
movie did probably nourish us a bit 20 years ago is that it did
have humble beginnings. Relatively, it wasn't one big
billboard for every brand, which I'm sure the second one will be
like. It's the same with Sex and the
City. Like when that show started it
was scrappy and interesting and weird and by the time you get to
Sex and the City 2 the movie, it's like eaten its own tail and
gotten so fat and bloated and stupid.
And that's also, I think, was Meryl Streep 52 or 56 when she
made this. She even admitted to herself
like her career was going down. Oh, really?
She took a punt and said double my fee because she just, she
thought there would be money for it.
And they did. Again, we've got a woman in her
50s in the early 90s leading a major feature film.
And she might be Meryl Streep, but still.
And it's it's aside from Stanley Tucci, he'd, I mean, he doesn't
lead the film in any capacity. He's a sidekick.
These are three women leading a big comedy and it's smashed it
out the park. So it has.
It has done a lot for Hollywood in that sense.
Sure, But yeah, by the time you get to Devil Wears Prada 2, it
doesn't. I feel like you can, really.
There's nothing underdog about it.
That you need to add on to. And I think as well, like, I
obviously haven't seen the film, but like, even like, you know,
having Lady Gaga and Dolce doing that runway song that just feels
AI, you know, like sachet Dolce. It's just, it all feels like we
just got very lazy with what it is.
Yeah. But yeah.
Should we rate this movie? We should rate this movie.
OK, so we need to give it one to 10 Merrells, Yeah, for the
quality, and one to 10 Elizas for the camp factor.
I'm going to give Meryl in this movie 10 Merrells, as we've
discussed. She's out merrilled herself.
I don't know.
I think it's a very successful comedy that is well written,
well acted, tight, engaging. It still holds up 20 years
later. It's an easy one and.
It's got that phantom, you know, it's not pretending to be real
fucking life. It's it's, you know, it's meant
to be fantasy. It's meant to be kind of extreme
and locks like 78888. 9. 10. I think it's an 8.
It's an 8. It's an 8.
It's an 8 OK. That's the most disgruntled 8
ever. Yes, it's a camp classic, OK.
What about Lizers? How many Lizers does this movie
get? Again, I have to give Meryl.
Sex in the City 2, which had Lizer.
There is no Lizer, but I would give Meryl 10 Lizers again in
this movie. Yeah, I mean.
Those like. We wouldn't be doing our job
correctly if we if we avoided that.
Like we could be as tired of this movie as we want, but to
kind but to claim that Miranda Priestly is not a camp icon is
just ridiculous. We're not.
We're not that fucking self important.
This is. This is one of the blueprint
characters of. Camp.
Yeah, yeah. So.
Like, how dare we? How dare we even come for this
film because of that. I I can't, I can't give this
movie 10 lies. No, no way.
No. With extracting Merrill.
Perfect. Glorious camp Perfection.
I'm also going to give Emily Blunt, 10 in campness.
I think she does the job. The movie overall, it's like it
had queer joy for me when I was 20, and it doesn't really
anymore. It's got no underdog flop.
It's got a fucking enormous ongoing legacy.
Yeah. And it is kind of stupid fun.
I'm going to give it like a six. Yeah, I was thinking around the
6th mark because I agree with you.
Like it. It doesn't do it for me anymore.
It definitely doesn't get me wet.
No. I'm quite dry at the thought of
it but it is safe and it's like comforting and it's like
whenever it's on in the background I'll like half watch
it and like. Safe and comforting is nice, but
you know what? It's not camp.
Safe and comforting is not. No, but because of Miranda
Priestly, because of Emily Blunt, and because of like, the
writing, Yeah, yeah, like it's a six for me as well.
We agree. What I will say is I'm excited
to bring a bootleg leader of Cosmopolitan into the theatre on
Friday to watch the worst part of two and just get shit faced
and cackle. Yeah, yeah.
And I'm sure I'll have a lovely time.
Yeah. And sorry if we've shat a little
bit on your favorite movie, but that's what these two old.
Girl, it isn't OK, I'm just saying.
OK. And before we go, it's time.
Suggestion sack Suggestion sack Suggestion sack that it's.
Time to de spunk the sack and find out what movie we're
covering next. Baby, do you want to do the
honour? Oh, I've been waiting to.
I've been busy in in Berlin, so I don't think my sack can take
it. Yeah.
Mine definitely needs these spunking right suggestion sack
suggest. OK, ready.
Oh, let me get that one. Please be something interesting.
OK. We are doing body of evidence
and that is by Dave. Oh my God, I'm so excited.
I've never seen it. You've never seen it?
I don't think I have. Oh my God, I watched that
recently. Why haven't I seen it?
OK, let me just quickly set the stage for you.
Oh God, let me gather my thoughts for you listening at
home. I would recommend you watch this
movie before we cover it it. It's a really cheap Basic
Instinct knock off with Madonna doing her best like golden age
starlit femme fatale impression but also having the craziest sex
scenes you've ever seen in your life.
It is ricochets from shocking to shocking to terrible to
shocking. Was that you just doing the
podcast then? Is that the episode?
Just no. I just want you to go in.
I want you to watch that going in, excited for those things.
OK, yeah, all right. Perfect.
Well, I might obsess with what? With where Madonna's at at the
moment, so. OK, great.
Yeah, and also you need to remember this is this movie came
out in the context of the erotica album and the sex book,
and everyone was basically like, I'm sick of staring at Madonna's
pussy. OK, OK, great.
We'll love it. Yeah, OK.
That's all. No, let's see what you did.
Yeah. It's like the end of the
podcast. Yeah.
Get away from her you bitch. Classic.
chow too.