1 00:00:18,600 --> 00:00:22,400 I used to love doggy chow. I used to love. 2 00:00:22,600 --> 00:00:25,680 Doggy chow, too. I'm a glamazon who skulks around 3 00:00:25,680 --> 00:00:28,240 in corners with some random hot fashion guy. 4 00:00:29,040 --> 00:00:34,480 I'm Crystal. Do you know why I agree to work 5 00:00:34,480 --> 00:00:38,040 with you? Why I always work with the same 6 00:00:38,640 --> 00:00:42,600 girls? Stylish, slender, of course. 7 00:00:42,600 --> 00:00:45,680 Worship me. But so often they turn out to 8 00:00:45,680 --> 00:00:51,760 be, I don't know, disappointing and stupid. 9 00:00:52,560 --> 00:00:56,320 So you with that impressive resume and that big speech about 10 00:00:56,320 --> 00:01:00,320 your so-called work ethic, I am. I thought you'd be different, 11 00:01:00,320 --> 00:01:04,920 Crystal, I said to myself, go ahead, take a chance. 12 00:01:05,519 --> 00:01:11,080 Hire the smart fag. I had hope My God, I live on it. 13 00:01:11,680 --> 00:01:16,120 Anyway, you ended up disappointing me more than all 14 00:01:16,120 --> 00:01:19,200 of this silly other guys. I'm baby lame. 15 00:01:19,840 --> 00:01:22,680 That's all. That was so unnecessary. 16 00:01:22,680 --> 00:01:25,520 Sorry. I had an idea and I was like, 17 00:01:25,520 --> 00:01:27,640 I'm just going to go with it. And yeah. 18 00:01:27,920 --> 00:01:31,680 I like that you substituted Fat Girl for a fag though, yeah. 19 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:34,320 I was kind of on the cusp a bit ad Lib. 20 00:01:34,320 --> 00:01:37,000 You know, yeah, yeah, right. Yeah. 21 00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:40,840 Substitute the slurs, Yeah. I should modify the same gaze. 22 00:01:40,840 --> 00:01:43,040 I didn't really. Yeah, it needs workshopping 23 00:01:43,040 --> 00:01:46,000 probably. There we go, Welcome to Camp 24 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:48,400 Classic. Thoughtful podcasts about stupid 25 00:01:48,400 --> 00:01:51,240 movies. Every two weeks we get together 26 00:01:51,240 --> 00:01:55,440 and discuss another film in the Canon of someone younger and 27 00:01:55,440 --> 00:01:58,680 hungrier coming down the stairs after you. 28 00:01:59,720 --> 00:02:03,040 There's always someone younger and hungrier coming down the 29 00:02:03,040 --> 00:02:09,320 stairs after you. Or another scene in a hospital 30 00:02:09,320 --> 00:02:12,560 bed with some lesbian tension. Oh, there you go. 31 00:02:12,560 --> 00:02:14,120 You've been putting some work into this. 32 00:02:14,120 --> 00:02:16,760 I mean, I can't. Remember what the last one was? 33 00:02:16,760 --> 00:02:22,520 But it's definitely the third. Film all films about Neve 34 00:02:22,520 --> 00:02:25,760 Campbell starring Neve Campbell. We were nearly three of those. 35 00:02:25,760 --> 00:02:27,000 I'm. Very excited to be here. 36 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:28,600 You know who else is excited to be here? 37 00:02:28,640 --> 00:02:32,560 Neve Campbell. What a great party of five all. 38 00:02:32,760 --> 00:02:33,480 Right. Thank you. 39 00:02:33,560 --> 00:02:35,560 How are you? I'm OK, yeah. 40 00:02:35,560 --> 00:02:37,800 Thanks for asking. I'm, you know, I've just been 41 00:02:38,360 --> 00:02:41,600 living, Yeah. Trying to survive, thrive, you 42 00:02:41,600 --> 00:02:46,520 know, Other than that, nothing. OK, what about you? 43 00:02:46,640 --> 00:02:49,240 Well, as you know, I just got back from Berlin. 44 00:02:49,480 --> 00:02:51,960 I know because you have a more interesting life than me. 45 00:02:51,960 --> 00:02:57,240 I get it. And I was definitely cursed by 46 00:02:57,320 --> 00:03:00,720 our episode, which came out the day before I got there where 47 00:03:00,720 --> 00:03:02,160 I'm. Not just you, that was cursed as 48 00:03:02,160 --> 00:03:03,920 well. Yeah, yeah. 49 00:03:04,120 --> 00:03:06,600 I don't know if you remember in in our 54 episode, but I said 50 00:03:06,600 --> 00:03:08,600 I've only been turned away from Bergheim once. 51 00:03:08,960 --> 00:03:13,240 And I also said that 54 was my friend Erica's favorite movie. 52 00:03:13,240 --> 00:03:18,400 Well, the Bergheim gods heard us and they said not you 2, not 53 00:03:18,400 --> 00:03:21,800 tonight, better luck next time. And we were both turned away. 54 00:03:21,800 --> 00:03:23,800 Why were you turned away though, do you know? 55 00:03:25,120 --> 00:03:28,480 It was a pretty cool, intimidating lesbian bouncer and 56 00:03:28,480 --> 00:03:31,320 I was going in with my friend Anna and she asked us something 57 00:03:31,320 --> 00:03:35,320 in German and I said yes. So Anna got in. 58 00:03:35,320 --> 00:03:38,560 No, the question was, why did you come here tonight? 59 00:03:38,560 --> 00:03:41,080 And I said yes. And then she was like, but I 60 00:03:41,080 --> 00:03:43,320 didn't understand what she said. And she's like, if you don't 61 00:03:43,320 --> 00:03:44,800 speak German, just say you don't speak German. 62 00:03:44,800 --> 00:03:46,680 You're just wasting my time. Fair. 63 00:03:46,720 --> 00:03:49,320 Yeah. And well, then it was just over 64 00:03:49,320 --> 00:03:50,920 for me. But we were definitely so. 65 00:03:51,040 --> 00:03:53,280 It was over for you. So was everyone else turned 66 00:03:53,280 --> 00:03:53,560 away? Oh. 67 00:03:53,560 --> 00:03:57,760 If you if it's either a yes or no for your whole group, so you 68 00:03:57,760 --> 00:04:00,400 like. The last time I went, which was 69 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:04,280 over a decade ago, it will it there was a divide in the group. 70 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:06,320 Yeah, there was one person that wasn't allowed. 71 00:04:06,400 --> 00:04:08,080 Oh, they have. I've seen them do that before 72 00:04:08,080 --> 00:04:09,840 too, actually. They're like, well, let 2 of you 73 00:04:09,880 --> 00:04:10,560 in. Yeah, exactly. 74 00:04:10,560 --> 00:04:13,800 And so then the three people have to decide, like, who's not 75 00:04:13,800 --> 00:04:16,079 going? You can't make me choose. 76 00:04:16,600 --> 00:04:19,240 So then I took it as my mission. So we went back at 6:00 AM. 77 00:04:19,240 --> 00:04:23,400 What did you do differently? Dressed better OK and so then 78 00:04:23,400 --> 00:04:25,840 Saturday we went to bed really early got up at 5:00 AM, went to 79 00:04:25,840 --> 00:04:28,280 the door at 6:00 AM. Totally sober in like a 80 00:04:28,600 --> 00:04:30,360 specific. Totally sober. 81 00:04:33,280 --> 00:04:40,560 Actually, yes though, and it was the same bouncer and I swear 82 00:04:40,560 --> 00:04:44,400 there was a flicker recognition where she was like, I recognized 83 00:04:44,400 --> 00:04:47,400 the hustle of you trying again and she let us in. 84 00:04:48,120 --> 00:04:49,240 And so then we stayed for two hours. 85 00:04:49,240 --> 00:04:51,400 We went in a 6:00 AM because the bouncers change at 8:00 AM. 86 00:04:51,400 --> 00:04:53,920 This is too much information, but the bouncers change at 8:00 87 00:04:53,920 --> 00:04:54,800 AM. So if you don't, if you get 88 00:04:54,800 --> 00:04:56,920 rejected at six, you can then just try again at 8:00. 89 00:04:58,120 --> 00:04:59,720 So we went, but we got in straight away. 90 00:04:59,720 --> 00:05:01,800 So then we just stuck around until 8:00 until the bouncers 91 00:05:01,800 --> 00:05:05,800 changed so she wouldn't see us leave, went home, had a big nap, 92 00:05:05,800 --> 00:05:07,760 went for brunch, and you've got to respond at that point. 93 00:05:07,760 --> 00:05:09,040 So then you can just get right back in. 94 00:05:09,840 --> 00:05:10,600 What? Like it's hard. 95 00:05:11,320 --> 00:05:14,280 Yeah, that was that was way too long the explanation there, but. 96 00:05:14,640 --> 00:05:19,720 But then then I proceeded to spend sent 19 hours there from 97 00:05:19,720 --> 00:05:23,360 1:00 PM until 8:00 AM Wow. Yeah. 98 00:05:24,600 --> 00:05:26,960 Got a lot done and that was a couple of days ago wasn't it? 99 00:05:26,960 --> 00:05:29,720 So I can only apologise to anybody listening to this 100 00:05:29,720 --> 00:05:33,280 podcast if Crystal suddenly just drops off, which could happen. 101 00:05:33,280 --> 00:05:35,200 I look pretty good for a dead bitch. 102 00:05:35,520 --> 00:05:38,520 Or burst into tears. Yeah, all start sweating. 103 00:05:38,840 --> 00:05:42,760 Don't tell me with a good time all of this, I could get tears 104 00:05:42,760 --> 00:05:45,520 today. Let's go Well, it won't be over 105 00:05:45,520 --> 00:05:48,280 this fucking film. Spoiler alert if you haven't 106 00:05:48,280 --> 00:05:51,520 guessed it already from the clues, because we are taking 107 00:05:51,520 --> 00:05:55,760 another step into our complete and utter basic dumb by doing 108 00:05:55,760 --> 00:05:56,800 this episode. We. 109 00:05:56,880 --> 00:06:00,400 Are, but it's in the zeitgeist. It's culturally relevant. 110 00:06:01,640 --> 00:06:02,880 Yeah. Sure, we need to. 111 00:06:02,880 --> 00:06:04,880 The people want to know our take. 112 00:06:04,880 --> 00:06:09,200 On because what I will say is my boyfriend said to me, you're 113 00:06:09,200 --> 00:06:12,240 doing the film that like no one ever in the world needs to talk 114 00:06:12,240 --> 00:06:14,360 about ever. Because of the amount of press 115 00:06:14,360 --> 00:06:17,560 that everybody's been doing. Everybody has spoken about this 116 00:06:17,560 --> 00:06:22,360 film then, and because of its sequel, no one needs to talk 117 00:06:22,360 --> 00:06:26,240 about this film ever again. Yeah, you might be right. 118 00:06:28,200 --> 00:06:30,800 Hey, I've got, I've got. I'm going to save it though. 119 00:06:31,040 --> 00:06:33,760 I've got a hot take on one of the characters. 120 00:06:33,880 --> 00:06:38,600 Wow, is it that the friends aren't very nice ground 121 00:06:38,600 --> 00:06:42,240 breaking? It's actually one particular 122 00:06:42,240 --> 00:06:45,480 friend, beginning with AB, the boyfriend, the. 123 00:06:45,480 --> 00:06:46,600 Boyfriend. Yeah. 124 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:48,520 Yeah. Hot take alert. 125 00:06:50,120 --> 00:06:52,640 I remember, I remember, we'll get to. 126 00:06:53,320 --> 00:06:55,720 I know we shouldn't talk about this now, but I do remember for, 127 00:06:55,720 --> 00:06:58,200 like, many years before it became like a viral thing, 128 00:06:58,200 --> 00:07:01,560 literally being like, that is my take about this film and like, 129 00:07:01,560 --> 00:07:04,080 not really meeting people that have had the same take. 130 00:07:04,080 --> 00:07:07,440 And I was just kind of like, yeah, I like what? 131 00:07:07,560 --> 00:07:11,280 I'm not like other girls. I actually think the friends are 132 00:07:11,280 --> 00:07:20,000 kind of the bad guys ground breaking before we get into the 133 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:21,960 world. The cast of my life. 134 00:07:22,040 --> 00:07:25,000 The Devil Wears Prada. We need to welcome new Gayatrion 135 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:26,800 members because we have a Gayatrion. 136 00:07:26,800 --> 00:07:28,920 Yes, we do. Where you can subscribe. 137 00:07:28,920 --> 00:07:31,280 Snappy little bunch, aren't they all? 138 00:07:31,760 --> 00:07:35,600 Right. You can I just personal shout 139 00:07:35,600 --> 00:07:39,280 out to Hey Eve Frankenstein. You are valid. 140 00:07:39,400 --> 00:07:41,000 You are valid, Your name is real. 141 00:07:41,720 --> 00:07:45,680 Eve came for me. So in our last episode I 142 00:07:45,680 --> 00:07:48,280 welcomed new member Eve Frankenstein and you said that's 143 00:07:48,280 --> 00:07:51,080 not a real name. Eve Frankenstein quick on the 144 00:07:51,080 --> 00:07:54,040 Patreon said my name is as real as yours, baby. 145 00:07:54,040 --> 00:07:58,080 Lame. I love. 146 00:07:58,080 --> 00:08:00,720 It I love it though to be fair. I come on Eve. 147 00:08:00,880 --> 00:08:04,360 As the more bullying you receive, I think the more we 148 00:08:04,360 --> 00:08:05,800 both enjoy it. Yeah, exactly. 149 00:08:05,840 --> 00:08:08,880 I'm very happy with that. But yeah, we do have a Gatron. 150 00:08:08,880 --> 00:08:12,760 It's £4 a month, you get a bonus episode every month and you can 151 00:08:12,760 --> 00:08:15,360 help us make this podcast possible. 152 00:08:15,960 --> 00:08:21,280 We've got new members Joe, Josh Heller and Marley who if you 153 00:08:21,280 --> 00:08:25,680 will recall, if you will recall, Marley is the person who sent 154 00:08:25,680 --> 00:08:28,400 the swaggy message suggesting. Party girl. 155 00:08:28,400 --> 00:08:30,440 And we were like, he's from the Bronx. 156 00:08:30,520 --> 00:08:31,760 He's like. Well. 157 00:08:31,760 --> 00:08:35,200 Man. Marley the swag continues 158 00:08:35,200 --> 00:08:38,760 because Marley joined the Patreon on the free trial. 159 00:08:38,760 --> 00:08:41,679 Yeah, clearly to listen to the Party Girl episode and then 160 00:08:41,679 --> 00:08:44,400 cancelled. Oh shit, Marley. 161 00:08:44,400 --> 00:08:46,680 Go off, Marley. Fuck you, Marley. 162 00:08:46,680 --> 00:08:48,600 No, I'm into it. No, I'm into it too. 163 00:08:48,720 --> 00:08:50,840 I love that energy. And you know what? 164 00:08:51,160 --> 00:08:54,360 I encourage all of you. But also I saw that Marley, 165 00:08:54,440 --> 00:08:56,760 sorry, I saw that Marley also replied to us and he's from 166 00:08:56,760 --> 00:08:58,760 Essex. I didn't. 167 00:08:58,800 --> 00:09:00,040 See that? That's why I was leading with 168 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:05,920 that Marley with his swag out. Isn't Jersey the really the 169 00:09:05,920 --> 00:09:07,960 Essex of America? Yeah, I guess so. 170 00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:10,800 Yeah, you can still have swag in God. 171 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:13,960 This feels very appropriate. This podcast we're now talking 172 00:09:13,960 --> 00:09:17,160 about. Like TOWIE, you ain't ever gonna 173 00:09:17,160 --> 00:09:22,280 get this candy. OK, I've got some comments to 174 00:09:22,280 --> 00:09:25,240 read. Penguin Killbot says mysterious 175 00:09:25,240 --> 00:09:27,920 Spotify listener here. Found Kemp Classics by the 176 00:09:27,920 --> 00:09:30,320 amazing episode of You're Good with Crystal and River Butcher 177 00:09:30,320 --> 00:09:32,680 and I'm so glad. Camp Classics has been a perfect 178 00:09:32,680 --> 00:09:35,120 mixture of silly, queer, and scientifically rigorous. 179 00:09:35,840 --> 00:09:38,600 A quick suggestion for the sack. Have you considered the truly 180 00:09:38,600 --> 00:09:42,520 batshit 1980 musical The Apple You familiar? 181 00:09:42,760 --> 00:09:45,720 I watched the trailer, it looks fucking insane. 182 00:09:45,840 --> 00:09:47,600 Really. It's giving the music it's 183 00:09:47,600 --> 00:09:49,520 giving return to ounces. Oh, OK. 184 00:09:49,560 --> 00:09:51,200 Yeah. So thank you. 185 00:09:51,200 --> 00:09:53,760 Good suggestion in the sack. Have you done a musical? 186 00:09:53,880 --> 00:10:00,920 I don't know burlesque. That's a definitely a musical, 187 00:10:00,920 --> 00:10:03,360 yeah. Amanda says hi. 188 00:10:03,360 --> 00:10:06,800 I was recently reminded of the 2002 movie Tip Toes, which falls 189 00:10:06,800 --> 00:10:09,240 into the So bad as good camp territory might be one for the 190 00:10:09,240 --> 00:10:11,480 sack. The Synopsis An average sized 191 00:10:11,480 --> 00:10:14,560 man struggles with revealing to his pregnant fiance that his 192 00:10:14,560 --> 00:10:17,760 entire family are little people as he worries that their unborn 193 00:10:17,760 --> 00:10:21,560 child may be born with dwarfism. You sent me the trailer to this, 194 00:10:21,560 --> 00:10:22,560 have I? Yeah. 195 00:10:22,560 --> 00:10:23,840 And you were like, what the fuck? 196 00:10:23,840 --> 00:10:27,600 Is this it? I mean, it's, I think it's. 197 00:10:27,600 --> 00:10:29,360 I don't know if we're. Capable. 198 00:10:31,720 --> 00:10:33,960 I mean, it certainly does need to be discussed. 199 00:10:33,960 --> 00:10:37,040 Someone needs to discuss it, maybe on another podcast. 200 00:10:37,040 --> 00:10:39,800 I. Yeah, I definitely not qualified 201 00:10:39,800 --> 00:10:40,840 to, no. I'm not ready. 202 00:10:40,840 --> 00:10:43,840 I don't think I'm ready to laugh at that movie on behalf of any 203 00:10:43,840 --> 00:10:46,920 community, but I do kind of want to watch it. 204 00:10:47,280 --> 00:10:52,040 Oh yeah, definitely. Thank you Amanda, Sarah says. 205 00:10:52,120 --> 00:10:54,480 Love the pod. Fall asleep to it every night. 206 00:10:56,480 --> 00:10:58,200 Wanking. Should we? 207 00:10:58,920 --> 00:11:01,520 Should we? Oh, Sarah, hi. 208 00:11:01,520 --> 00:11:09,120 Sarah, it's your sleep paralysis demons here, Crystal and baby. 209 00:11:10,160 --> 00:11:11,520 Don't like you doing that, voice. 210 00:11:12,640 --> 00:11:14,240 The crashes have begun, everybody. 211 00:11:14,240 --> 00:11:17,360 I can feel it. Sarah says I'd love to listen to 212 00:11:17,360 --> 00:11:22,640 your take on Bottoms. Lesbian black comedy at its 213 00:11:22,680 --> 00:11:24,800 best. Yeah, it's a great movie. 214 00:11:24,800 --> 00:11:27,200 Yeah, it's a really good movie. I kind of risk, I kind of 215 00:11:27,200 --> 00:11:29,320 bristle at doing a movie like that because I'm just like, what 216 00:11:29,320 --> 00:11:31,120 is there to say? It's a funny comedy with new 217 00:11:31,120 --> 00:11:33,360 people. Let's see Devil Wears Prada 218 00:11:33,360 --> 00:11:35,800 instead. Ground breaking. 219 00:11:35,800 --> 00:11:39,640 What is it to say? God forbid we might talk about a 220 00:11:39,640 --> 00:11:43,880 film that's actually well made. I mean, yeah. 221 00:11:45,440 --> 00:11:48,440 More comments Ren. Can I also just say I forgot 222 00:11:48,440 --> 00:11:50,320 that it was Devil Wears Prada and I thought we were doing 223 00:11:50,320 --> 00:11:52,360 Devil Wears Prada too, which I haven't seen yet. 224 00:11:52,600 --> 00:11:56,360 And obviously I'm going to just open up the velvet curtain and 225 00:11:56,360 --> 00:11:59,680 just let viewers and listeners backstage, you know, we, we talk 226 00:11:59,680 --> 00:12:01,920 about a week in advance and just sort of make sure we're watching 227 00:12:01,920 --> 00:12:03,200 the right film, don't we, Crystal? 228 00:12:03,760 --> 00:12:05,920 I my mind, I was like, oh, yeah, we're doing Devil Wears Prada 229 00:12:05,920 --> 00:12:07,200 too. And then it was like, Oh no, 230 00:12:07,200 --> 00:12:10,480 it's Devil Wears Prada. And I was just like I was like, 231 00:12:10,480 --> 00:12:15,720 of course we are because Crystal is always linear and will always 232 00:12:15,720 --> 00:12:18,000 want to do it in order of release. 233 00:12:18,160 --> 00:12:20,640 Ground breaking don't you think though? 234 00:12:20,640 --> 00:12:23,640 Well. Whereas I'm just like, let's 235 00:12:23,640 --> 00:12:27,160 just do anything out of order, it doesn't matter, yeah. 236 00:12:27,160 --> 00:12:29,200 Yeah, that is very. So I was kind of like, oh, this 237 00:12:29,200 --> 00:12:32,120 will be something new to talk about, no. 238 00:12:33,840 --> 00:12:36,000 I just know that our most listened to episodes of the ones 239 00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:37,160 where people have seen the movie. 240 00:12:37,160 --> 00:12:41,640 So theoretically this episode is going to pull really highly. 241 00:12:41,720 --> 00:12:45,720 It's just we're going to have to just be creative and think of 242 00:12:45,720 --> 00:12:47,760 fun things to say about this movie. 243 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:53,120 And I have at least 2 groundbreaking. 244 00:12:53,640 --> 00:12:55,840 Rens has petitioned to have Charlie on the pod for a proper 245 00:12:55,840 --> 00:12:57,560 Spice Girls. Deep dive. 246 00:12:57,560 --> 00:13:00,680 I would, I would love, I would love for all of them to come on. 247 00:13:00,680 --> 00:13:01,880 But Charlie should definitely come. 248 00:13:01,880 --> 00:13:05,280 On yeah, when the the day finally comes that we finally do 249 00:13:05,280 --> 00:13:10,520 Spice World might need a break from big budget cash grabs after 250 00:13:10,520 --> 00:13:12,760 this movie though. Yeah, yeah. 251 00:13:12,760 --> 00:13:16,600 I'm kind of, I'm craving like a notes on the scandal coming up. 252 00:13:16,640 --> 00:13:18,880 So I need something. We need to go to a different 253 00:13:18,880 --> 00:13:21,920 genre. Last comment, Penners says some 254 00:13:21,920 --> 00:13:23,920 like it Hot would be a fascinating talk because someone 255 00:13:23,920 --> 00:13:25,600 else suggested that on our last episode. 256 00:13:26,040 --> 00:13:29,480 It walks the pre and pro code tightrope. 257 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:33,880 Poor Marilyn was at her best and worst and I've never seen it so. 258 00:13:34,160 --> 00:13:35,760 You'd never seen some like it hot. 259 00:13:36,640 --> 00:13:40,520 That's so wild to me. That's really crazy. 260 00:13:40,520 --> 00:13:43,720 I mean, I'm not who? Who suggested that? 261 00:13:44,560 --> 00:13:47,280 Penners just now. Penners well I don't want to 262 00:13:47,280 --> 00:13:51,680 like comfy penners but it is giving a bit like sixth form 263 00:13:51,680 --> 00:13:56,680 college media studies essay just saying OK. 264 00:13:58,480 --> 00:14:00,680 No, Marilyn. Listen, I would be, I'd be up 265 00:14:00,680 --> 00:14:02,600 for it, but like. Poor Marilyn was at her best and 266 00:14:02,600 --> 00:14:04,680 worst. I know, but but like, but you 267 00:14:04,680 --> 00:14:08,080 know, I don't know, doing like a queer takedown of some like it 268 00:14:08,080 --> 00:14:10,840 hot. It's just a bit like it's very 269 00:14:10,840 --> 00:14:15,320 like doing Devil Wears Prada as an episode in my I'm open to it 270 00:14:15,480 --> 00:14:17,080 and I haven't watched it for a very long time. 271 00:14:17,080 --> 00:14:19,840 And if and if Crystal hasn't seen it, probably lots of very 272 00:14:19,840 --> 00:14:22,760 new interesting insight about that movie. 273 00:14:23,960 --> 00:14:29,240 That's me, full of fresh, fresh takes on really famous movie. 274 00:14:29,240 --> 00:14:32,000 Branding because I'm becoming the villain at this podcast. 275 00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:36,280 Becoming. No, I was always the city, I was 276 00:14:36,280 --> 00:14:40,240 always the sassy fun sidekick who is just brought some like 277 00:14:40,240 --> 00:14:42,440 energy and some like lols to the thing. 278 00:14:42,560 --> 00:14:45,560 And now I'm becoming like the hateful money one. 279 00:14:46,240 --> 00:14:50,040 I think between us, like you combine us and you probably do 280 00:14:50,040 --> 00:14:53,080 get a bit of Miranda Priestly because you're the cunt and I'm 281 00:14:53,080 --> 00:14:57,760 the soft spoken one. That's all. 282 00:14:59,680 --> 00:15:01,360 Wow. Wow. 283 00:15:02,800 --> 00:15:04,360 Sure. Right. 284 00:15:04,360 --> 00:15:06,000 OK. We are going. 285 00:15:06,040 --> 00:15:09,480 We are going to. You literally can't speak that 286 00:15:09,480 --> 00:15:12,200 it's happening. I knew it would happen. 287 00:15:12,640 --> 00:15:17,240 We are strapping kids. We need to pick a suggestion SEC 288 00:15:17,240 --> 00:15:19,440 movie for our next movie. We'll do that at the end of the 289 00:15:19,480 --> 00:15:21,680 episode, yeah. Yes, Yeah, we will. 290 00:15:21,680 --> 00:15:25,240 OK, we'll do it at the end of. The episode. 291 00:15:25,680 --> 00:15:27,160 I'm going to open this drink. Oh yeah. 292 00:15:27,640 --> 00:15:29,400 Well, yeah. Thank you for this. 293 00:15:29,400 --> 00:15:32,200 You know one thing the Devil Wears product does call for is a 294 00:15:32,200 --> 00:15:35,080 fruity cocktail and a can ground breaking. 295 00:15:35,480 --> 00:15:37,120 Right, girly. Well, here we go. 296 00:15:37,120 --> 00:15:41,480 Here we go, still our year. Cheers. 297 00:15:42,160 --> 00:15:45,480 And if you're drinking at home, cheers to you too and. 298 00:15:45,840 --> 00:15:48,240 If you're not, you shouldn't be because you're listening to 299 00:15:48,240 --> 00:15:51,640 this. OK, So yes, we are cover. 300 00:15:51,880 --> 00:15:53,600 Did we cover all our business? I think so. 301 00:15:53,800 --> 00:15:57,160 Oh, baby. Gosh, all that business that 302 00:15:57,160 --> 00:15:58,800 just drove it right out of my head. 303 00:15:58,800 --> 00:16:01,760 And I know you're waiting for me to ask what makes the CAP 304 00:16:01,760 --> 00:16:05,320 classic. Please bore someone else with 305 00:16:05,320 --> 00:16:10,400 your questions. I hate myself so much. 306 00:16:11,920 --> 00:16:13,520 Do it again. I've got another one as well. 307 00:16:14,240 --> 00:16:18,240 Baby, what makes a camp classic? Shant, which we like. 308 00:16:18,560 --> 00:16:23,320 No, Shant. Listen, if we're going to do if 309 00:16:23,320 --> 00:16:26,640 we're going to do this film, the only thing good is some of the 310 00:16:26,640 --> 00:16:29,320 quotes. So, OK, what is a camp classic? 311 00:16:29,320 --> 00:16:32,240 Well, thank you for asking, Crystal. 312 00:16:32,440 --> 00:16:35,640 A camp classic is something that should unlock queer joy in the 313 00:16:35,640 --> 00:16:37,320 words. Oh, I didn't. 314 00:16:37,320 --> 00:16:40,000 I thought I could do it. I can't. 315 00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:42,680 I need to read it. It's trained actor everyone. 316 00:16:46,360 --> 00:16:47,960 I'm going to just do it like Emily. 317 00:16:48,080 --> 00:16:52,280 Yeah, well it's something that unlocks queer joy. 318 00:16:52,880 --> 00:16:56,240 I want to get to a wetty. Apparently it's stupid like you. 319 00:16:56,240 --> 00:16:59,240 It needs to have an ongoing legacy and inform queer pop 320 00:16:59,240 --> 00:17:02,040 culture unlike your career. And it needs to be anti 321 00:17:02,040 --> 00:17:04,599 mainstream underdog flop vibes. It's been reclaimed by the F 322 00:17:04,599 --> 00:17:07,359 slurs. Emily would definitely. 323 00:17:07,520 --> 00:17:10,000 I was quite good at those. Good. 324 00:17:10,160 --> 00:17:12,839 Yeah, something the. Trained actors back in the room 325 00:17:13,160 --> 00:17:17,680 again. And today we're covering. 326 00:17:18,119 --> 00:17:21,160 I really like how I use any opportunity to do monologues on 327 00:17:21,160 --> 00:17:23,520 this podcast. It's like no one wants it. 328 00:17:24,560 --> 00:17:26,000 It's fine, I can always trim them. 329 00:17:26,040 --> 00:17:28,560 Yeah, you never do. Maybe I'll start putting them at 330 00:17:28,560 --> 00:17:30,360 like 1.5 speed. OK. 331 00:17:30,440 --> 00:17:33,640 Yeah, just like, yeah, maybe just do that with everything I 332 00:17:33,640 --> 00:17:38,000 say. We're covering The Devil Wears 333 00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:44,760 Potter. In case you didn't realize. 334 00:17:44,880 --> 00:17:48,160 You didn't know. It's kind of silly to tell 335 00:17:48,160 --> 00:17:49,800 anyone anything about this movie because we all know. 336 00:17:49,800 --> 00:17:53,920 But obviously, it was a 2006 comedy film starring Anne 337 00:17:53,920 --> 00:17:56,560 Hathaway, Meryl Streep, Emily Blunt and Stanley Tucci, 338 00:17:56,880 --> 00:18:01,400 directed by David Frankel. Believe it or not, it was a big 339 00:18:01,400 --> 00:18:02,760 hit. It was a huge hit. 340 00:18:02,880 --> 00:18:07,400 Huge hit budget of about $35 million and it took 326 million 341 00:18:07,400 --> 00:18:10,600 worldwide in the top 20 movies of the year. 342 00:18:11,080 --> 00:18:14,240 Not only was that huge commercial hit, though, it was 343 00:18:14,240 --> 00:18:18,720 also a critical success. Yeah, didn't bloody Merrill get 344 00:18:18,720 --> 00:18:21,360 an Oscar nomination for? Meryl Streep received an Oscar 345 00:18:21,360 --> 00:18:24,120 nomination for this movie, probably her 17th. 346 00:18:24,240 --> 00:18:29,240 Yeah, it has 75% on Rotten Tomatoes Best Actress nom for 347 00:18:29,320 --> 00:18:32,720 Meryl and for costume, and she won the Golden Globe for Best 348 00:18:32,720 --> 00:18:36,240 Actress. So it's not a flop at all, is 349 00:18:36,240 --> 00:18:36,960 it? There is. 350 00:18:37,320 --> 00:18:40,560 No world where this movie is a flop. 351 00:18:41,320 --> 00:18:46,760 There's no way to squint at it. You might call it underdog. 352 00:18:48,120 --> 00:18:50,400 Because of where it came. From where it came from. 353 00:18:50,840 --> 00:18:52,960 But I don't even think you can do that when you've got Meryl 354 00:18:52,960 --> 00:18:55,520 Streep in it. And now it's like a juggernaut, 355 00:18:55,520 --> 00:19:01,360 like mass budget franchised sequel, isn't it? 356 00:19:01,360 --> 00:19:03,840 There's like a given it's going to sell. 357 00:19:04,280 --> 00:19:07,520 I saw this comment. High key, abhorrent, blatant gay 358 00:19:07,520 --> 00:19:09,680 bait. Vogue caricature, sterile 359 00:19:09,680 --> 00:19:12,680 corporate pride slop. Painfully corny. 360 00:19:13,240 --> 00:19:16,480 That's what it's become. Makes it sound quite good like 361 00:19:16,480 --> 00:19:20,400 that. Maybe that's what I'm that's my 362 00:19:20,400 --> 00:19:23,880 predictions for the sequel. And obviously there's a sequel 363 00:19:23,880 --> 00:19:25,880 which is out now and it's also been a huge hit. 364 00:19:25,880 --> 00:19:28,840 It's already almost made as much money as the first one had. 365 00:19:28,880 --> 00:19:31,400 Shit, there you go. So there will be a third, then 366 00:19:31,680 --> 00:19:33,000 there will be a third. Yeah. 367 00:19:34,560 --> 00:19:40,960 But before we get into the plot and our all of our hot takes, I 368 00:19:40,960 --> 00:19:43,120 thought we'd start with a quiz. Oh great. 369 00:19:43,120 --> 00:19:44,760 It gets better and better and better. 370 00:19:44,760 --> 00:19:47,440 We're. Playing porn or norm Devil wears 371 00:19:47,440 --> 00:19:48,920 Prada edition. Oh, wonderful. 372 00:19:48,920 --> 00:19:51,960 OK. Porn or norm the devil wears 373 00:19:51,960 --> 00:19:57,760 nada Porn. Porn Correct. 374 00:19:58,400 --> 00:20:01,280 Porn or norm? The Devil bears vagina. 375 00:20:02,280 --> 00:20:04,480 No, you did that. You came up with that. 376 00:20:04,480 --> 00:20:11,560 I like it. Norm porn or norm the dildos the 377 00:20:11,560 --> 00:20:15,920 dildo so stupid. The the dildo spares nada. 378 00:20:16,640 --> 00:20:20,400 Well, you did that. There's only so many ways you 379 00:20:20,440 --> 00:20:25,640 can spin this and porn or norm the demon twink wears Prada. 380 00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:34,320 I feel like that's real. It is the demon twink wears 381 00:20:34,320 --> 00:20:35,520 Prada. That's great. 382 00:20:35,520 --> 00:20:37,360 I want to watch that. I really want to watch well. 383 00:20:37,360 --> 00:20:41,760 It's available on xhamster OK. And so for that research of the 384 00:20:41,760 --> 00:20:43,200 quiz, you had to watch all of it. 385 00:20:43,520 --> 00:20:46,560 Yeah. It's really not much about a 386 00:20:46,560 --> 00:20:51,440 fashion magazine at all. What would the cerulean jumper 387 00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:54,440 be? Oh, like a harness. 388 00:20:55,160 --> 00:20:57,400 Yeah, I guess so. Like if you're talking demon 389 00:20:57,400 --> 00:21:01,920 twink, yeah, it wouldn't be anything like actually Creative 390 00:21:02,760 --> 00:21:06,800 Dark Strap. They're so different. 391 00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:23,040 I hate this movie now. OK, let's get into the plot. 392 00:21:24,840 --> 00:21:28,040 It's an opening montage. I know what's your history with 393 00:21:28,040 --> 00:21:30,000 the movie though. Oh yeah, history with this 394 00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:31,120 movie. History with this movie. 395 00:21:31,360 --> 00:21:32,800 I don't know, I saw it when it came out. 396 00:21:32,800 --> 00:21:36,560 I've probably watched it like 5 times since did. 397 00:21:36,600 --> 00:21:38,760 You like love it? Yeah, I think I loved it when it 398 00:21:38,760 --> 00:21:39,960 came out. Yeah, yeah. 399 00:21:40,840 --> 00:21:42,480 Yeah, I think I loved it as well of. 400 00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:44,840 Course, everyone loved it. I had it on DVD. 401 00:21:45,080 --> 00:21:47,160 I've seen it. I think I've seen it like about 402 00:21:47,560 --> 00:21:51,640 legit probably minimum 20 times. Oh wow, OK, I'm not that many. 403 00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:53,720 But I'm still not good at quoting it and stuff. 404 00:21:53,720 --> 00:21:57,440 But like, I definitely it's, it's just, it's always on TV as 405 00:21:57,440 --> 00:22:00,240 well, isn't it? Yeah, everyone at the everyone 406 00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:02,960 who's a millennial has a fond feeling for this movie. 407 00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:04,200 I feel. So there you go. 408 00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:08,760 Yes. OK, so it's the opening montage. 409 00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:11,960 We meet Andy and. I'll tell you what camp clue is 410 00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:15,640 not Suddenly I see by KT Tunstall in any world. 411 00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:20,920 I hate that song. It's so fucking generic, Yeah. 412 00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:23,080 I mean, it suits Andy quite well, doesn't? 413 00:22:23,080 --> 00:22:27,120 It it's a real Andy song. Yeah, but this is the worst 414 00:22:27,120 --> 00:22:30,040 montage in the movie. There are many montages. 415 00:22:30,040 --> 00:22:32,720 This is the worst one. The rest of them are quite good, 416 00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:34,720 but this one isn't good. But this is where we learned 417 00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:36,520 that Andy. Well, she's not like the other 418 00:22:36,520 --> 00:22:39,600 girls, is she? She's different. 419 00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:42,480 She's not. She's just it's a bagel and. 420 00:22:42,680 --> 00:22:45,600 Oh, she's messy. She gets the subway. 421 00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:47,840 She's quite overweight as well, isn't she? 422 00:22:47,840 --> 00:22:49,920 What a fat so. Yeah, I mean, that's just what's 423 00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:51,480 implied throughout the film, isn't it? 424 00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:55,480 There she is like this, slender, like deer, like creature. 425 00:22:55,480 --> 00:22:58,120 Yeah. And she's interviewing for a job 426 00:22:58,120 --> 00:23:03,160 that she is not qualified for. So like basically the first 427 00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:05,360 words out of her mouth is like, who is Miranda Priestly? 428 00:23:05,360 --> 00:23:08,320 Like imagine going to a fucking job interview and not knowing 429 00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:09,800 who the boss who you'd be working. 430 00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:14,120 For like an esteemed, like, fucking public, like the world's 431 00:23:14,120 --> 00:23:18,120 biggest publication. It's like a dream job, she'd 432 00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:20,080 say. Yeah, she shouldn't even be 433 00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:21,440 allowed in. She's got a. 434 00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:24,840 Journalism degree. She doesn't know who Anna 435 00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:27,880 Wintour is. Or to even think I'm going to 436 00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:30,240 just do a quick search about that. 437 00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:33,360 It's the first of many things that Andy does in this movie 438 00:23:33,360 --> 00:23:39,760 that is baffling slash moronic, baffling slash moronic. 439 00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:43,520 It's like she's she's a vehicle for for plot explanation. 440 00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:45,760 And so they have to make her do really stupid things. 441 00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:49,200 Yeah, but this one, really, this one really grabbed my gears. 442 00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:51,520 Yeah. Then we get the Miranda arrival 443 00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:55,840 scene and this is fabulous. And it's like the whole setup of 444 00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:59,440 these characters are I still as we're like, we are talking like 445 00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:01,920 no one has ever seen this movie ever, which I know is kind of 446 00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:04,800 the job of the podcast, but it's just like, I'm literally like, 447 00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:07,240 what are we doing? But no, like Emily Blunt, the 448 00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:09,880 introduction of Emily Blunt is fab in this movie. 449 00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:11,440 We know that she. Yeah. 450 00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:15,160 I'm just like, who does she play? 451 00:24:15,360 --> 00:24:17,920 She plays a stuck up, bitchy British girl, Yeah. 452 00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:23,120 Yeah, apparently it wasn't written British, but she pushed 453 00:24:23,120 --> 00:24:25,280 for it and that's what got her over the edge in the audition 454 00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:26,600 process. And this was her big break. 455 00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:29,640 There you go. Apparently in her audition she 456 00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:31,840 got called back. The studio wanted to see her 457 00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:34,080 again, but they were under the instruction that she wore 458 00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:35,680 something chica. Oh. 459 00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:40,720 I saw an interview about that recently that was quite and also 460 00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:44,240 Anne Hathaway was like the 9th actress in line to get this 461 00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:45,040 role. Yeah. 462 00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:47,760 Like she really? Really wanted Rachel McAdams for 463 00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:50,160 this. And Kate Hudson, Yeah, which 464 00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:54,400 again, I'm like, why do I don't? I don't really. 465 00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:55,720 Would it have mattered who the main? 466 00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:57,880 Person No. I think the Anne Hathaway role 467 00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:00,720 is like you can interchange basically anyone. 468 00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:03,920 Yeah, there's nothing about her performance that's no. 469 00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:06,320 She she does a good job. Oh, yeah, totally. 470 00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:08,040 Yeah. I think I really rate Anne 471 00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:09,560 Hathaway now. I think she's done a lot. 472 00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:12,840 Me too. In her career, but she's just 473 00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:14,360 generic here. Yeah. 474 00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:16,040 And that's kind of what the role. 475 00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:19,000 It's it's like Julia Roberts. It's like the Julia Roberts of 476 00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:19,720 her age. Yep. 477 00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:23,200 Yep, this Miranda rival scene though. 478 00:25:23,360 --> 00:25:25,560 Have you seen the big business version? 479 00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:28,320 No Bette Midler. So the scene. 480 00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:31,840 Yeah, yeah. So this scene is basically a a 481 00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:35,520 recreation of Bette Midler's arrival scene in big business. 482 00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:38,000 Which is? I haven't even thought about 483 00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:39,680 that. I don't know if they were just 484 00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:43,400 ripping it off or they were making an homage, but it feels 485 00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:46,160 like an homage because there's even that elevator shot, like 486 00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:49,600 Bette Midler and Miranda are going up in the elevator and 487 00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:53,320 they both like lift their head up and into the camera and it's 488 00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:55,280 just very like, that's the first time you see their face. 489 00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:59,960 It's very good. I saw recently for like promo 490 00:25:59,960 --> 00:26:02,920 the sequel. Have you seen Miranda meeting 491 00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:03,720 Anna Wintour? Yeah. 492 00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:07,280 It's really annoying. So annoying. 493 00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:10,640 I think something I found interesting about this movie in 494 00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:13,920 terms of when it was released, although obviously it had 495 00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:16,920 connections and they were like overlays with like Vogue 496 00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:18,880 magazine. I got the sense from, like, 497 00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:21,840 material at the time that Anna Wintour was not happy with the 498 00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:23,720 association. And I thought that was kind of 499 00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:27,400 cool that it was kind of pressing some buttons and, like, 500 00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:30,840 and like, Meryl was kind of hitting some beats. 501 00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:33,720 And I think I can't remember if the September issue came before 502 00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:35,000 or after. Yeah. 503 00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:38,040 And again, and that was kind of another because I feel like up 504 00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:40,480 until that point, people had only heard of Anna Wintour, but 505 00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:43,200 she wasn't like, kind of a celebrity per SE. 506 00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:46,600 And by that point, we hadn't really had the like, you know, 507 00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:50,440 all of the Kardashians like fully to where they got to. 508 00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:53,040 So I think it's interesting. She's just kind of like an 509 00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:54,600 industry figure with a reputation. 510 00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:58,560 But then this kind of put such a spotlight on her and then she 511 00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:00,080 sort of had to do a September issue to. 512 00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:01,920 But yeah, I just totally. I. 513 00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:04,800 So I love that and I loved and I loved all of this. 514 00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:07,560 Like, fucking hell, Meryl Streep is playing a bitch here. 515 00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:11,000 Is this real person like this? And it just kind of, it felt 516 00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:13,640 like you were getting access to the the fashion industry more 517 00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:18,680 than you would as just a. Regular person, I think, I think 518 00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:21,760 Anna Wintour handled it so well by like kind of being aloof 519 00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:24,840 above it and then doing something much cooler, which 520 00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:28,760 showed the magazine in this very cool light and was very like, 521 00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:31,880 I'm above this and like, I also have nothing to hide. 522 00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:35,840 But like, like, fuck, kind of fuck this movie in like, the 523 00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:40,560 coolest way you could do it. It shows how far like print 524 00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:44,080 media has fallen in the 20 years since this movie, that now 525 00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:47,000 you've got Anna Wintour, like, basically licking the ass of 526 00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:48,240 this movie. Like you can't. 527 00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:51,200 Like you can't just have a dignified silence and just rise 528 00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:53,160 above it. Because you need the attention. 529 00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:54,600 Yeah. And like, you need to have 530 00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:56,560 cameos and you need to cosign it. 531 00:27:56,560 --> 00:27:57,640 And it's just. Yeah. 532 00:27:57,640 --> 00:28:01,000 So I don't I, I guess that's maybe something about watching 533 00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:04,400 this film in general is like what it was compared to what it 534 00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:06,000 is now is probably really different. 535 00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:10,360 For sure, for sure. We didn't have toxic boyfriends 536 00:28:10,360 --> 00:28:13,560 then. What was I also going to say 537 00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:19,360 about that, Miranda Merrill? It's a wig. 538 00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:22,560 It's a wig. It's a wig. 539 00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:25,320 Sensational wig, No. Well, normally we would say wig. 540 00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:27,400 But it's a wig. Yeah, today it's. 541 00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:29,600 It's a fucking wig. Wig. 542 00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:33,920 She is swooped. She is a wig. 543 00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:36,840 That is a fucking gorgeous. Wig. 544 00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:39,320 Yeah, just like a little bit of bounce. 545 00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:41,880 Not too much, not too big, not too small. 546 00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:44,760 Where is the lace? Stunning. 547 00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:47,080 Amazing. Yeah, sensational. 548 00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:52,320 Don't be a faggot, don't fag out. 549 00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:56,040 So then Andy gets interviewed by Miranda directly because 550 00:28:56,040 --> 00:29:00,280 Miranda's sick of Emily's choices and she gets the job 551 00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:04,240 despite having no qualifications and no interest in fashion. 552 00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:06,600 It's not a question. Not a question. 553 00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:09,320 She's you know, she's doing the job, but that's and then we get 554 00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:11,840 the you know what happens? She's shit at her job. 555 00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:13,760 She thinks she's a better than it all, blah blah blah. 556 00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:17,120 And it takes us to the cerulean speech. 557 00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:22,640 Yeah, which has again, has been spoken about a million fucking 558 00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:25,240 times. But I still think it is a really 559 00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:26,920 great bit of writing. It's great. 560 00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:29,560 And I remember I saw an interview because obviously 561 00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:31,840 there were thousands of fucking interviews with them all at the 562 00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:34,040 moment. But I saw an interview with 563 00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:37,880 Meryl and the interviewer said he was a fashion designer. 564 00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:40,720 He said that he felt it really grounded the film and gave it 565 00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:46,160 truth to the fashion industry. And apparently she requested to 566 00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:48,040 have something written in the script, didn't she? 567 00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:52,840 That just kind of because it just does, because so much of 568 00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:55,400 the film sort of jokes about the fashion industry as well, but 569 00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:58,080 it's a huge industry and it's like people work really hard in 570 00:29:58,080 --> 00:29:59,800 it. There's art involved and I think 571 00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:03,200 it just. Yeah, this movie, I think it's 572 00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:06,080 got an interesting. It's trying to thread a line 573 00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:08,360 between like this is art and this is business. 574 00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:12,840 And I'm not sure it's always entirely clear what it thinks 575 00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:15,840 about all of that. But like, and that was 576 00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:17,560 definitely one of the things when I used to work in fashion 577 00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:19,800 that I really chafed against, which was the like selling 578 00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:22,000 things to people, to rich people that they don't need. 579 00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:22,960 Right. Yeah, and. 580 00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:26,360 It's like, and so kind of that whole speech is about that. 581 00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:29,360 It's like, well, you've, yeah, you've important. 582 00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:31,400 People have chosen it for you, yeah. 583 00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:34,840 Yeah, like, but also like none of that matters. 584 00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:37,720 Like it's you're not what? Nothing in that speech is like 585 00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:41,000 doing anything good for the world. 586 00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:42,640 Particularly. It's just like explaining how 587 00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:44,960 big the business is. But then there's the other side 588 00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:47,480 where like Stanley Tucci later in the movie talks about like 589 00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:49,960 how it's art and you put it on your body and you express 590 00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:52,040 yourself. And it's really powerful in that 591 00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:53,720 way. And I think the movie doesn't 592 00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:57,320 always like hit that button quite hard enough because that's 593 00:30:57,320 --> 00:30:59,560 what I love about fashion. It's the self-expression. 594 00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:01,640 But then at the same time, it does, it does, I get what you're 595 00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:04,280 saying about the business, but it does kind of, it does sort of 596 00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:06,840 remind people about all of the jobs for sure. 597 00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:09,280 Yeah, the industry. It's an important thing. 598 00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:13,000 Yeah, there's and you can't like be like it doesn't matter 599 00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:14,120 because it is. Yeah. 600 00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:15,480 And that's what's good about that speech. 601 00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:17,560 But it's very county. And, you know, and then I think 602 00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:20,640 from this point we are understanding how Meryl Streep 603 00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:23,840 is playing this role. And that's why she got nominated 604 00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:26,120 for an Oscar and that's why she won a Golden Globe, because her 605 00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:30,240 choices alone are like insanely to kind of just go against 606 00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:33,160 character or just go against the trope of what you'd expect. 607 00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:36,320 And you know, you reference that they pulled on Bette Midler in 608 00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:40,880 big business and she she plays shrieking she boss. 609 00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:43,880 That's how she does it. Whereas Merrill just and and 610 00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:46,400 even watching Anna Wintell that you can tell it's based on Anna 611 00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:48,280 Wintell. But Merrill brings this like 612 00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:50,720 this breathiness in her like the way. 613 00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:52,960 She based it on Clint Eastwood. Oh really? 614 00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:57,400 When he directed her just he would never raise his voice and 615 00:31:57,640 --> 00:32:00,880 and yet everyone would be like terrified of him and would do 616 00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:03,760 whatever he said. And she kind of plays games with 617 00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:05,840 it as well. Like she kind of will be like 618 00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:08,640 jokey and kind of pause and take different. 619 00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:11,720 I mean, from that perspective, I always find whenever she's on 620 00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:14,600 screen, it's like hugely enjoyable to me. 621 00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:17,120 So really like rich role, isn't it? 622 00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:19,760 The other thing she said was that she took some of the humour 623 00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:22,440 of the character from Mike Nichols, who was the director of 624 00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:25,040 her in Postcards from the Edge and Silkwood. 625 00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:30,120 And she said the thing he would do that was the most devastating 626 00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:34,280 was like, you put someone down in a in it with a joke in front 627 00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:37,280 of people and then everyone around you laughs at the person 628 00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:40,200 and the person even that you're putting down also has to laugh. 629 00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:42,560 It's like the most devastating thing you can do. 630 00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:48,040 Savage But also to kind of have even that kind of insight into 631 00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:51,560 kind of how people ticket that kind of shows a lot about 632 00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:53,800 Merrill because I've something I've noticed from like a lot of 633 00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:55,440 the press, they've done this go round. 634 00:32:56,200 --> 00:33:01,640 They all seem a lot blunter about everything like they were 635 00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:04,960 talking about like showbiz parties and everyone shouting 636 00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:07,320 and like Meryl's just like, oh, it's a load of bullshit. 637 00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:08,440 I don't want to go to those things. 638 00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:10,920 But then she was also saying about how she was having 639 00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:14,000 personal problems when they were filming this film and she kind 640 00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:17,160 of didn't really want to like hang out with the younger 641 00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:19,480 actors. And part of that was to kind of 642 00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:22,880 keep the sort of the characterisations as well. 643 00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:25,840 But she kind of also was just like, there were new kids on the 644 00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:28,440 and she just found it annoying and she didn't kind of want to. 645 00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:31,480 And I love that because it wasn't like, you know, it's all 646 00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:35,000 these like, oh, I welcomed Annie and you know, she's just, it was 647 00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:37,240 just like, oh, these fucking kids who I don't want to do 648 00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:38,720 this. I've got my own shit going on. 649 00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:40,920 She doubled her fee for this film. 650 00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:42,240 She didn't want to do it, did she? 651 00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:43,920 She? And then she was like, I'll only 652 00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:45,800 do it if I get double. And they paid up. 653 00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:49,360 So obviously she was just quite, quite aware of business with it 654 00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:51,840 as well. And she even said as well that 655 00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:55,200 she would hear them in the hair and makeup trailer, like 656 00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:57,560 laughing and yakking, having a good time with everyone. 657 00:33:57,560 --> 00:33:59,360 And she literally would just be in her trailer, like, oh for 658 00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:02,480 fuck's sake. And I'm just like, I feel like 659 00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:04,600 you don't get that side of Meryl. 660 00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:06,200 No. And I'm just like that's. 661 00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:08,639 Also funny because like the stories have definitely changed 662 00:34:08,639 --> 00:34:12,040 since the first press cycle where she was like, I was 663 00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:15,520 method, I couldn't be around them because I was trying to 664 00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:18,360 like preserve the character. And now she's now 20 years ago, 665 00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:20,120 she's admitting she's like, no, I just found them really 666 00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:21,480 annoying. I didn't want to be around them 667 00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:22,960 and she was probably saying that. 668 00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:25,960 And I think it's just great that she's just revealing kind of a 669 00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:29,040 darker side to. Her so good, so good. 670 00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:34,760 But yeah, the Sterling speech is iconic and it's a camp clue 671 00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:37,840 because obviously, obviously there have been so many drag 672 00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:41,639 numbers inspired by this scene, by this character. 673 00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:43,320 The best one's probably Brooklyn. 674 00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:47,880 Brooklyn does amazing. We also get the bag and coat 675 00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:49,719 montage. Now this is my that's my 676 00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:52,040 favorite montage in the movie. I fucking love it. 677 00:34:52,199 --> 00:34:54,639 Where's that piece of paper I had in my hand yesterday? 678 00:34:55,679 --> 00:34:58,760 So good. And just the Foley of the sound 679 00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:01,120 of the coats and bags hitting that table. 680 00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:04,600 It does something to my brain. I fucking love it. 681 00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:07,040 Where's that piece of paper I had in my hand yesterday 682 00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:10,560 morning? So does you. 683 00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:13,000 You said that you worked in the fashion industry. 684 00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:16,400 Do you have like? Does this have any connection to 685 00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:18,480 like your experience of? Working, I think, because this 686 00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:21,280 is like publishing and I was in the designer side. 687 00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:25,960 I do recognize the Emily for sure. 688 00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:28,320 Yeah. And I've met, I've met Anna 689 00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:29,520 Wintour. Have you? 690 00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:31,640 Yeah. Oh my God. 691 00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:32,880 I was like, when do we bring this up? 692 00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:35,800 The interviews coming up at the end of this podcast, everyone, 693 00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:39,320 that's normally what you. Do imagine. 694 00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:42,920 Imagine, I mean, I don't know how else to say this, but like 695 00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:46,120 there is a world where I never moved to London and worked in 696 00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:48,960 fashion and did anything. And that has led me into this 697 00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:51,960 point in my life. Andy, if not for this movie, I 698 00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:54,200 don't like, I don't know, I I don't remember thinking 699 00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:56,120 consciously let me go and do that. 700 00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:59,200 But like, watching movies like this and being like, oh, you 701 00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:01,880 should go to the big city and pursue like a glamorous life 702 00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:05,200 definitely would have influenced my decision to do that because 703 00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:06,520 that's the reason I came to London. 704 00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:08,560 And then I worked in fashion for three years. 705 00:36:08,720 --> 00:36:11,920 We would go to Paris twice a year and it felt like the most 706 00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:13,360 fucking glamorous thing you would do. 707 00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:16,520 And you're in a showroom and Anna Wintour does a walkthrough 708 00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:19,200 and sees your collection. And was it like how it's 709 00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:22,680 presented in this movie? So in the movie, it's it's like 710 00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:25,640 she sort of implied that she'll just give a nod and then it's 711 00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:27,720 like the whole the whole collection has to be started 712 00:36:27,720 --> 00:36:28,360 again. No. 713 00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:30,200 And also by that point you've already shown. 714 00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:31,720 So it's showrooms, it's for sale. 715 00:36:31,720 --> 00:36:35,360 Oh, OK, right. So and she was act like she was 716 00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:37,320 just very nice, as obviously she is. 717 00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:40,040 Yeah, she was just very polite. She obviously had her sunglasses 718 00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:41,920 on. She walked through, she shook 719 00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:43,480 everyone's hand. She said nice to meet you. 720 00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:46,560 She showed interest in the collection and she moved on and 721 00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:49,920 like, because that's what obviously what she would be. 722 00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:53,240 Like, but it was because anyone with that like level of power, 723 00:36:53,240 --> 00:36:55,560 like they're kind of like the people that don't matter. 724 00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:58,400 They can, they just put on like an easy facade that doesn't 725 00:36:58,400 --> 00:36:59,760 commit. And then it's only really, I'd 726 00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:02,360 imagine the people that are like working directly with them that 727 00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:04,000 would get like the the brunt of it. 728 00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:05,800 Yeah. That's so interesting. 729 00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:09,360 Yeah. And also like the other thing 730 00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:14,440 with it, like seeing the the vapid people like and the 731 00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:18,160 shallowness of like everyone trying to make it in that biz, 732 00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:21,880 like the Emily of it all, that was really a thing. 733 00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:25,640 And like, I think the people I worked with even at that time 734 00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:27,400 were probably dressed a bit like Emily. 735 00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:30,680 Yeah, as well, you know, So it's just quite funny. 736 00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:34,960 Yeah. It's funny rewatching this movie 737 00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:37,520 because it is a bit of a time capsule of like that period in 738 00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:39,640 my life. Anyway, I love the bag and coat 739 00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:43,040 montage give me. That little table that I like 740 00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:46,400 because that's. Get us a reservation for dinner 741 00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:56,960 tonight at that place. Andy sucks at her job and she 742 00:37:56,960 --> 00:38:01,640 disappoints Miranda because of the flying her out thing. 743 00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:03,760 Doesn't matter. Well, yeah. 744 00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:06,280 It's interesting though, because this is where I link to it and I 745 00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:08,320 think this is quite an interesting jump with what the 746 00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:12,000 second film and what I hear about, you know, because I think 747 00:38:12,240 --> 00:38:14,800 Miranda is being brought up to date with like what's 748 00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:17,320 appropriate behaviour in the workplace, what isn't, etcetera, 749 00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:20,320 etcetera. But I feel like when I started 750 00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:22,240 in TV, it was exactly the same thing. 751 00:38:22,240 --> 00:38:27,160 You were encouraged to kind of, I'm rewarded for being on call 752 00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:30,360 constantly doing everything you possibly can. 753 00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:34,000 And then almost like the impossible would give you kind 754 00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:36,920 of like a badge of honour and another kind of, and it was 755 00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:38,920 toxic. Like I could, I could completely 756 00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:42,920 relate to both Andy and Emily because I've definitely been in 757 00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:46,640 TV jobs where I've been like, I'm going to make sure I go to 758 00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:48,720 the top and that that means I have to push everyone out of the 759 00:38:48,720 --> 00:38:49,840 way. I will do. 760 00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:51,920 And then obviously you, you grow up a bit and you're like, that's 761 00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:53,560 not cool. But I just think it's 762 00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:55,560 interesting how it, like you said, it's a time capsule, but I 763 00:38:55,560 --> 00:38:58,480 think it's a time capsule of like how like those kind of 764 00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:02,520 industries did breed people and it was based on like success, 765 00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:04,360 but it was also based on like bragging. 766 00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:06,760 I don't have a life because I give everything to my job. 767 00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:08,320 So. I thought about this watching 768 00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:11,520 it, I was like, I bet this is more like being like a runner on 769 00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:15,520 ATV show that is about. And the impossible, but again, 770 00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:19,040 like just kind of but beating it and then it becomes addictive 771 00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:21,840 because you've you've succeeded where others haven't. 772 00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:22,600 And it's. Yeah. 773 00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:25,360 So it just reminded me of like TV properly. 774 00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:27,960 Yeah. That we're both just like seeing 775 00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:29,560 our traumas, yeah. Exactly. 776 00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:32,760 Yeah, trauma. Trauma, Trauma. 777 00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:36,400 Trauma, trauma, trauma. There's no, I was Emily. 778 00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:37,640 I said. I related to Emily. 779 00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:41,840 So I was like, the trauma I've got is that she never got to do 780 00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:43,560 her full job and ended up in hospital. 781 00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:48,280 But I will say what we've seen so far is like we have got like 782 00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:52,120 impeccable casting. We've got great cameos. 783 00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:55,840 Giselle is one of the like fashion I. 784 00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:58,880 Hate her in this, do you? I think she's quite like, but I 785 00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:02,880 think just to have her there, the fashion box, doesn't it? 786 00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:05,200 But like, Emily's perfect. Emily's perfect. 787 00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:07,280 Andy's what you need her to be like. 788 00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:10,320 Obviously Miranda is perfect. And then we get Stanley Tucci 789 00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:13,200 again, playing the only character he seems to be able to 790 00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:16,000 play at this stage of his life, a gay man, but he does it 791 00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:18,800 impeccably. Yeah, he's playing the same 792 00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:20,800 character he plays. He will play in burlesque. 793 00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:25,160 And as we discussed, burlesque is once he gets sick of 794 00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:28,800 Miranda's shit, he starts working with Sharon, a nightclub 795 00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:31,480 in LA and. Then he's had an argument with 796 00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:37,360 Cher. But yeah, Andy sucks at her job 797 00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:39,960 and she's not getting the respect she thinks she deserves. 798 00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:44,560 So she goes to Stanley Tucci to give, and he gives her a kind of 799 00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:48,560 weird pep talk that is basically the Kim Kardashian no one wants 800 00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:50,840 to work anymore speech. Yeah, yeah. 801 00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:55,240 Get your ass up and work. It's very like anti millennial 802 00:40:55,240 --> 00:40:58,520 coded MO millennials. You just want a trophy for 803 00:40:58,520 --> 00:41:02,480 everything and you're lazy and you want a badge. 804 00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:10,480 I don't know, I'm not that into that message, but he does have a 805 00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:12,320 point. Like if she's going to take the 806 00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:15,680 job and going to try and do it, like either do it or don't like 807 00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:19,880 quit or commit. Yeah, I mean, I do think there 808 00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:24,080 are like decent people that are talented and worked hard that 809 00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:26,240 probably deserve the job more than her. 810 00:41:26,240 --> 00:41:29,640 Yeah, I don't think you have to be a fucking cunt to work in 811 00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:31,360 this fashion world in this movie. 812 00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:34,960 And she is really ungrateful. Yeah, and takes it hugely for 813 00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:36,600 granted. Yes, so it is. 814 00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:38,480 It is a bit. I do understand why lots of 815 00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:40,320 people hate her in this film. Totally. 816 00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:42,320 It's, it's a bit of, it's a bit of both. 817 00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:43,920 I think everybody's kind of wrong. 818 00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:46,640 Yeah, totally. But yeah, but it is just like 819 00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:48,880 because. He's so he's drunk the Kool-aid 820 00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:53,640 so hard that he's like, well, she's not going to change so. 821 00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:56,680 Like, yeah, yeah. Put up with it or get out. 822 00:41:57,160 --> 00:42:00,600 And that's like that's not OK. I feel like I'm just my old TV 823 00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:02,280 self is coming back in because I'm just like, well, that's the 824 00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:04,320 business. You just have to like, right? 825 00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:06,200 I can't view it critically. I'm like. 826 00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:08,400 Well, yeah, yeah, no, I think it's fair enough. 827 00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:10,440 And like he also does have a point. 828 00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:15,560 Anyway, now she gets good her job because she gets a makeover. 829 00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:17,320 And loses weight. Yeah. 830 00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:20,280 She stops eating cards as well carbs, doesn't she? 831 00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:22,840 Yes, she stops eating. Yeah, grilled cheese. 832 00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:28,600 So we get a makeover montage. That's the Chanel boots, an 833 00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:32,920 iconic, another iconic moment. And then the Vogue montage. 834 00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:36,520 Yeah, and I mean, she looks fine, doesn't she? 835 00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:42,280 I like that she doesn't look fashionable, she looks stylish. 836 00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:45,400 Yeah, like. She looks clean, put together, 837 00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:48,200 she looks rich basically, but she doesn't look we're just. 838 00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:51,520 Celebrating that like. Because it makes sense for the 839 00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:52,520 character. Yeah. 840 00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:54,560 Do you know what I mean? Like, the people I worked with 841 00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:56,360 in fashion, especially the people who worked in, like, 842 00:42:56,880 --> 00:43:02,080 designer studios, they were the grungiest, scabby punks. 843 00:43:02,240 --> 00:43:04,960 And, like, it was really cool. They were queer as fuck. 844 00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:11,040 And like, they were pushing fashion forward, like, insane 845 00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:13,000 style. But you could imagine also for 846 00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:16,760 Andy, working in publishing like that is probably what she would 847 00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:18,480 end up looking like. Totally, Yeah. 848 00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:22,240 Yeah, she looks just like chic Expensive. 849 00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:25,400 I mean, I'm trying to like, I'm trying to like go back to it and 850 00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:26,960 not in the sense of I've seen it 1000 times. 851 00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:29,520 We've talked about it. Is the montage like an enjoyable 852 00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:32,920 camp montage? I think the first time I saw it. 853 00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:35,600 Yeah, because it kind of endlessly glides in and out of. 854 00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:37,680 Shops, doesn't it? And then it's well filmed. 855 00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:40,320 And then it finishes with Emily being like, are those the. 856 00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:43,120 Yeah, yeah. We're not even speaking. 857 00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:44,600 I'm sorry. We're literally just saying 858 00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:46,440 lines and then not finishing. So we know, but. 859 00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:49,440 I think you all know what we what the rest of the line is. 860 00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:55,360 Are you wearing the don't even need to say it reductive anyway. 861 00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:57,600 Yeah, she gets bangs, she gets Chanel, but. 862 00:43:57,640 --> 00:43:59,200 You said she got banged. I was like, oh. 863 00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:00,920 That too. She gets banged in the Chanel 864 00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:02,240 boots. You know she kept those boots 865 00:44:02,240 --> 00:44:03,680 on. Oh. 866 00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:06,520 They're so high, like thigh high. 867 00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:09,080 Very good. Then it's the friend's dinner 868 00:44:09,080 --> 00:44:13,000 scene now, guys listening at home. 869 00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:19,200 I don't know if anyone has ever said this Said this before, but 870 00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:22,920 her friends are kind of shitty. I don't know if you've ever 871 00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:25,440 noticed. I thought you were being genuine 872 00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:28,360 there because they are just obviously cunts, don't they? 873 00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:31,640 Yeah, she gives them some nice gifts and then they play hot 874 00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:35,480 potato with her phone. It's really annoying. 875 00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:39,440 But they also I they are just like the most generic. 876 00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:44,640 We have a woman of colour who's a bit sassy and we have and the. 877 00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:46,720 Only woman of colour in this movie? 878 00:44:46,720 --> 00:44:49,200 Yeah, the only the only person of colour in New York City, 879 00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:53,520 apparently. Which is fucking wild. 880 00:44:54,240 --> 00:44:58,240 And then like fucking a low rent version of what's his name from 881 00:44:58,240 --> 00:45:01,800 Mean Girls. Yeah, Is he supposed to be gay 882 00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:06,160 coded? Yes. 883 00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:08,800 I don't think he is. It's not explicit. 884 00:45:09,160 --> 00:45:13,080 And they give him, like, they kind of give him shit in a way 885 00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:14,960 that it's like, you're a straight man, you shouldn't know 886 00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:15,560 about this. Stuff. 887 00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:18,520 No, he is gay. I don't think. 888 00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:20,800 He is gay. No, because there's a bit where 889 00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:23,520 it's like, Oh my God, she's so fierce or something like. 890 00:45:23,600 --> 00:45:27,280 Yeah, but every time he says something like, and you're that 891 00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:31,000 designer, that's they all go, how do you know about this? 892 00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:33,080 And it's almost played for laughs that a straight man. 893 00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:35,920 It's like giving. I think it's giving metrosexual. 894 00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:37,920 No. I think they chickened out of 895 00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:39,480 putting a second gay man in this movie. 896 00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:43,160 Well, there's no like, explicit mention of him being gay. 897 00:45:43,240 --> 00:45:53,000 I think you're lying. Yeah, just I don't agree with 898 00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:56,000 you. His name is Doug. 899 00:45:56,320 --> 00:46:01,320 Is Doug gay in the Devil Horse Prada? 900 00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:04,200 While often debated or considered coded by fans, he is 901 00:46:04,200 --> 00:46:06,600 portrayed as one of Andy's unsupported friends. 902 00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:09,680 Oh, it just seems like an unanswered question. 903 00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:12,760 Ambiguity. Doug was often cited in fan 904 00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:15,920 theories as gay, but this is not explicitly Canon in the movie. 905 00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:20,720 Well, there we go, a fascinating hot new take everybody. 906 00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:25,720 I mean I mean he just seems like a vapid gay and he also seems 907 00:46:25,720 --> 00:46:30,360 like a fucking the opposite to like a fag hag doggy a faggot. 908 00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:32,760 Right. But he's also the only the only 909 00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:35,240 one of the three who are is actually supportive. 910 00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:37,360 How he's. Excited for? 911 00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:40,400 Her only because no, but he was. I'm not buying. 912 00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:44,000 He he never shames her for having the job. 913 00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:47,280 He's excited for her when she gets to go to Paris because he's 914 00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:48,400 gay. Yeah, but. 915 00:46:48,600 --> 00:46:51,200 No, but like, that's why he's gay, because he's excited. 916 00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:54,200 No, no, I agree with you. I I look the the character is 917 00:46:54,200 --> 00:46:57,240 definitely gay coded and it's weird that they didn't just make 918 00:46:57,240 --> 00:46:59,280 it explicit. I think the movie is trying to 919 00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:04,200 say that he's a metrosexual man and that's why Lily, the black 920 00:47:04,520 --> 00:47:07,880 friend is always like, why do you know about that? 921 00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:10,800 But anyway, that that point aside, he's the only one who's 922 00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:16,600 like happy for her, basically because Lily's like, you've 923 00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:20,080 changed. Yeah, he's just a weak guy. 924 00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:23,320 He's just beggy, beggy gay. Well, I'm glad that we talked 925 00:47:23,320 --> 00:47:26,360 about this minor character that actually means nothing to the 926 00:47:26,360 --> 00:47:28,880 plot. Yeah, that's what I will say 927 00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:33,040 about this film that is like a there is a lot of like faffy, 928 00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:35,800 unnecessary stuff. Like the best stuff for me is 929 00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:38,800 when they are like in the meat of it and she's navigating the 930 00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:39,840 industry. Yes. 931 00:47:39,840 --> 00:47:43,760 And so all of this like sub storyline of relationships and 932 00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:45,840 friendships are bullshit in my mind. 933 00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:47,680 Speaking of, we then meet Christians. 934 00:47:47,680 --> 00:47:50,840 Also as well, this is like something if you did have 935 00:47:50,840 --> 00:47:53,240 friends that really fucking cared about you, Oh my God, it's 936 00:47:53,240 --> 00:47:54,440 just repeating the same hot take. 937 00:47:54,680 --> 00:47:58,240 There would be like a much more like layered dialogue about like 938 00:47:58,240 --> 00:48:01,480 we're losing you, etcetera. They wouldn't be as like fucking 939 00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:03,880 materialistic as they are. Yeah. 940 00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:07,560 Yeah, yeah. I mean, the friends could have a 941 00:48:07,560 --> 00:48:09,840 point. Let's get into that. 942 00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:11,840 Should we get into it later? No, no. 943 00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:17,520 OK, The friends could have a point if she actually like if we 944 00:48:17,520 --> 00:48:22,600 saw the character change and she became a cow and the Mean Girls 945 00:48:22,600 --> 00:48:26,320 of vacation of it all happened For example, where you see 946 00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:30,400 Lindsay Lohan go from being a good friend to a bad friend, but 947 00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:34,240 all we see is Andy trying really hard and I'm. 948 00:48:35,560 --> 00:48:38,760 Just laughing because we're we're, we're literally the thing 949 00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:40,320 that is like we were like eye rolling. 950 00:48:40,320 --> 00:48:45,480 No, but like, The thing is, you can say to someone, I think this 951 00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:47,360 job is bad for you and it's ruining your life. 952 00:48:47,360 --> 00:48:49,640 Totally. Yeah, it's fair enough to do 953 00:48:49,640 --> 00:48:53,400 that. It's just it's not OK to be like 954 00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:56,920 you've changed and I don't like your new interests and they 955 00:48:56,920 --> 00:49:01,440 threaten me, so fuck you. Which is what they do there we. 956 00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:07,320 Go we're talking about this. Speaking of things with the 957 00:49:07,320 --> 00:49:11,680 movie didn't need, we then meet Christian Thompson, this man. 958 00:49:11,680 --> 00:49:14,360 Did they deliberately hire someone unattracted to play 959 00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:15,200 this? Yeah. 960 00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:17,680 Role. It's so confusing to me. 961 00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:19,040 He. Likes meat headies? 962 00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:21,520 Yeah, it. Looks like if the Pillsbury 963 00:49:21,520 --> 00:49:27,640 doughboy like studied the game. Is it called the game? 964 00:49:27,640 --> 00:49:31,080 That book where like you neg women into getting them to sleep 965 00:49:31,080 --> 00:49:33,160 with you. Yeah, it's on my. 966 00:49:34,080 --> 00:49:35,800 Pick up artist manual you know I. 967 00:49:35,800 --> 00:49:37,680 Don't know that, but sure, yeah. Yeah, it's giving. 968 00:49:37,680 --> 00:49:44,080 I get the pills, hate him, hate him. 969 00:49:44,080 --> 00:49:47,040 Movie doesn't need him then then. 970 00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:49,800 It's, I mean, that is an elaborate fucking Side Story. 971 00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:53,080 Just trim that out, yeah. Yeah, but Andy has been 972 00:49:53,080 --> 00:49:56,040 impressing at work and she gets entrusted to take the book home 973 00:49:56,040 --> 00:49:57,840 and she's like, what's the book again? 974 00:49:58,640 --> 00:50:04,520 The woman has a journalism degree, but that's fine. 975 00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:07,520 One of the many other dumb, dumb things she does, she goes to 976 00:50:07,520 --> 00:50:10,240 Miranda's house. Twins are there. 977 00:50:10,240 --> 00:50:13,800 They're like, bring the book upstairs and Andy is a fucking 978 00:50:14,600 --> 00:50:17,640 dummy. So she does it and she sees 979 00:50:18,280 --> 00:50:19,560 Miranda having a fight with her husband. 980 00:50:19,960 --> 00:50:21,800 And I mean, you know what happens but. 981 00:50:21,800 --> 00:50:25,960 Again, like, you know, props were props I think needed like 982 00:50:26,360 --> 00:50:31,280 the fear that Meryl Streep can generate just by that look. 983 00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:35,680 It is like so wild what she can do with one stare. 984 00:50:35,880 --> 00:50:39,640 You feel it in your core. So she's. 985 00:50:39,880 --> 00:50:43,160 And again, I feel like I've been in that position in, like, my 986 00:50:43,160 --> 00:50:46,960 younger career of like, fucking what I thought was the biggest 987 00:50:46,960 --> 00:50:48,680 fuck up in the world. And you obviously look back and 988 00:50:48,680 --> 00:50:50,400 you're like, oh, get a grip together. 989 00:50:50,840 --> 00:50:54,960 But like, situations like that are real in these ridiculous, 990 00:50:54,960 --> 00:50:57,640 like, media industries. Yeah. 991 00:50:57,920 --> 00:51:00,760 And yeah. So I particularly love how like 992 00:51:00,760 --> 00:51:02,280 chilling that is. Totally. 993 00:51:02,560 --> 00:51:07,920 She's she's very good at acting. Meryl Streep. 994 00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:09,760 Thank you for that insightful comment. 995 00:51:10,960 --> 00:51:13,480 Don't have anyone ever. Said based on the counter pizza 996 00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:17,200 around Meryl Streep. Don't know if anyone has ever 997 00:51:17,200 --> 00:51:21,880 said that on a podcast before, but Meryl Streep quite a good 998 00:51:21,880 --> 00:51:23,920 actress. I feel like we're yarding. 999 00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:26,280 Do we just need to yard a free? Yeah, so then there's the Harry 1000 00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:27,600 Potter stuff. Who cares? 1001 00:51:27,600 --> 00:51:32,200 The gala benefit. I want to mention the gala 1002 00:51:32,200 --> 00:51:36,360 benefit because this that's where we meet my MVP of the 1003 00:51:36,360 --> 00:51:40,480 movie, Jacqueline. Oh, yes, OK. 1004 00:51:40,720 --> 00:51:44,160 I love Jacqueline Foley. I love her. 1005 00:51:44,160 --> 00:51:47,200 She's so Hot Topic. She looks like every French 1006 00:51:47,200 --> 00:51:52,280 Canadian woman I knew in 2006 that was like this funky Pat 1007 00:51:52,280 --> 00:51:57,160 Benatar style choppy little Bob with like. 1008 00:51:57,680 --> 00:52:01,000 I'm surprised she doesn't have like a pink like highlight 1009 00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:04,600 fringe and then a really funky pair of like green neon glasses. 1010 00:52:04,600 --> 00:52:07,600 And like, like a kind of twerk, yeah. 1011 00:52:07,600 --> 00:52:10,280 Or like a like a pleather. With a plant, Yeah. 1012 00:52:10,280 --> 00:52:12,560 A. Pleather kind of like, oh, what 1013 00:52:12,560 --> 00:52:15,360 do they call like legging? Patrick, something on top and 1014 00:52:15,360 --> 00:52:17,640 then yeah, play. Maybe like a ruffle somewhere? 1015 00:52:17,640 --> 00:52:20,960 Like a ruffle sleeve like. A really big oversized like 1016 00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:26,480 flower on the shoulder. I love Jacqueline Foley and I 1017 00:52:26,480 --> 00:52:27,880 love her. I love her. 1018 00:52:27,920 --> 00:52:30,680 Every time someone says her name, they have to say 1019 00:52:31,080 --> 00:52:33,080 Jacqueline. Who is she? 1020 00:52:33,080 --> 00:52:35,640 Jacqueline is the editor of. No, but who is she in real life? 1021 00:52:35,640 --> 00:52:36,960 Do you know what? Do you mean? 1022 00:52:37,080 --> 00:52:39,320 The the She's not a real person, is she? 1023 00:52:40,680 --> 00:52:42,600 The actress. Yeah, yeah. 1024 00:52:42,600 --> 00:52:44,720 The ACT who's per plays it. Oh, I don't know. 1025 00:52:44,880 --> 00:52:46,200 OK. I thought you I was like 1026 00:52:46,200 --> 00:52:47,640 something. Is this a real person that's 1027 00:52:47,640 --> 00:52:49,560 making a cameo? Oh, no, no, it's. 1028 00:52:49,560 --> 00:52:52,480 I wonder who played Jacqueline? So I don't know who played 1029 00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:54,480 Jacqueline. She's obviously based on the 1030 00:52:54,480 --> 00:52:58,720 editor of French Vogue, whose name was Corrine Rothfeld. 1031 00:52:59,320 --> 00:53:01,400 Well, I just thought because you said you loved her, I was just 1032 00:53:01,400 --> 00:53:03,360 like, I thought you might have been, thought you were going to 1033 00:53:03,360 --> 00:53:06,760 say, oh, did you know? Like this this woman who I think 1034 00:53:06,920 --> 00:53:12,720 she only has one line in the movie, which is Suprise, but 1035 00:53:12,720 --> 00:53:14,720 she's such a big like plot. Mac Guffin. 1036 00:53:14,720 --> 00:53:17,400 Yeah, OK. I like Jacqueline. 1037 00:53:17,640 --> 00:53:21,520 I also like this scene because we're at the Met Gala situation 1038 00:53:22,760 --> 00:53:27,280 and that's where we got the meme of the big, the big boobs, Devil 1039 00:53:27,280 --> 00:53:29,040 Wears part of meme. Have you seen this? 1040 00:53:29,520 --> 00:53:31,880 I don't think I have. You love a meme, don't you? 1041 00:53:32,840 --> 00:53:37,080 You've never seen this image? Oh yeah, it's so good. 1042 00:53:37,600 --> 00:53:39,360 Now that is what I want from the sequel. 1043 00:53:39,360 --> 00:53:43,440 But they won't dare. Give her a massive tit Joe. 1044 00:53:43,480 --> 00:53:47,280 Just to all three of them huge knockers. 1045 00:53:47,480 --> 00:53:50,920 That image is so seared into my brain that when I saw that shot 1046 00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:55,080 in the regular movie I was like, what's wrong with her boobs 1047 00:53:56,840 --> 00:54:01,320 anyway? She's has to do the gala. 1048 00:54:01,320 --> 00:54:04,000 She misses Nate's birthday. He's shitty about it. 1049 00:54:04,720 --> 00:54:07,720 And then Andy replaces Emily on the Paris trip. 1050 00:54:08,680 --> 00:54:11,480 But you might call Emily not in Paris. 1051 00:54:12,560 --> 00:54:18,600 Oh. God, Emily's hit by a car and we 1052 00:54:18,600 --> 00:54:20,680 got the hospital scene, which, I'm sorry. 1053 00:54:20,680 --> 00:54:25,640 I see the showgirl's parallels. Darling, I needed a break. 1054 00:54:26,360 --> 00:54:29,400 Yeah, I just. All I needed was Emily ending 1055 00:54:29,400 --> 00:54:31,320 the scene with Aren't you going to come here and give me a big 1056 00:54:31,320 --> 00:54:33,920 kiss? I mean, that would really help 1057 00:54:33,920 --> 00:54:34,360 it. Yeah, it. 1058 00:54:34,360 --> 00:54:36,440 Would it would. Well, no, again, it wouldn't 1059 00:54:36,440 --> 00:54:38,360 help it. It's absolutely fine. 1060 00:54:38,360 --> 00:54:41,480 It's funny her in hospitals funny. 1061 00:54:41,840 --> 00:54:44,640 Like it doesn't need that embellishment, but I think it's 1062 00:54:44,640 --> 00:54:48,240 just because it is so fucking tired that. 1063 00:54:51,360 --> 00:54:54,400 And then then she has a fight with her friend Lily, who sees 1064 00:54:54,400 --> 00:54:57,280 Christian kiss her on the cheek. And then they have a she has a 1065 00:54:57,280 --> 00:54:58,880 big fight with Nate. Yeah. 1066 00:54:58,880 --> 00:55:00,640 And again, because that's definitely, I mean, I know we're 1067 00:55:00,640 --> 00:55:03,120 going over the same thing about the toxic friends, but that's 1068 00:55:03,120 --> 00:55:04,440 definitely what you do, isn't it? 1069 00:55:04,440 --> 00:55:07,040 You you just accuse your friend rather than just going like, 1070 00:55:07,240 --> 00:55:08,760 hey, what's actually going on here? 1071 00:55:08,800 --> 00:55:12,720 Yeah, Oh yeah. And Nate's like you've changed. 1072 00:55:12,720 --> 00:55:14,600 You're the exact same as those girls you used to say. 1073 00:55:14,600 --> 00:55:16,840 You used to make fun of them, but now you're exactly the same. 1074 00:55:16,840 --> 00:55:19,240 So just admit it and then we can agree we don't have anything in 1075 00:55:19,240 --> 00:55:22,120 common. Like, well, maybe she's got some 1076 00:55:22,120 --> 00:55:25,840 new interests. God, I think we all know that 1077 00:55:25,840 --> 00:55:27,120 he's the villain, though, don't we? 1078 00:55:27,320 --> 00:55:29,320 So much so. I love that the actor has has 1079 00:55:29,760 --> 00:55:31,920 been the one that's had to, like, pay the cost because he's 1080 00:55:31,920 --> 00:55:33,800 like, he didn't even get asked to be part of it. 1081 00:55:33,800 --> 00:55:36,360 And he's like, when I read it, I didn't think it was that 1082 00:55:36,360 --> 00:55:39,440 problematic. And it's like, yeah, everyone 1083 00:55:39,440 --> 00:55:42,080 hates you now. Ground breaking. 1084 00:55:42,640 --> 00:55:45,720 And then, yeah, and he goes to Paris and I don't think I can be 1085 00:55:45,720 --> 00:55:48,880 bothered to explain it all. But lots of plot happens. 1086 00:55:49,280 --> 00:55:52,480 She sleeps with Christian, There's a bit more Jacqueline. 1087 00:55:53,960 --> 00:55:56,400 And then Andy decides she doesn't want to be like. 1088 00:55:56,400 --> 00:55:59,040 So as well, there's the whole thing about Miranda's like 1089 00:55:59,280 --> 00:56:02,360 they're coming for her job and they're going to take her down. 1090 00:56:02,360 --> 00:56:06,240 And then Andy's like loyal to Miranda. 1091 00:56:06,360 --> 00:56:08,280 And then we find out Miranda knew all along. 1092 00:56:09,000 --> 00:56:13,520 And then she throws Stanley Tucci under the bus and. 1093 00:56:13,600 --> 00:56:16,800 He takes it with grace because he's he's so worn, torn by the 1094 00:56:16,800 --> 00:56:18,080 industry. Exactly. 1095 00:56:18,080 --> 00:56:21,680 And then Miranda's like, I never thought I'd say this, but I see 1096 00:56:21,680 --> 00:56:24,960 a lot of myself and you, you can see beyond what people want and 1097 00:56:24,960 --> 00:56:27,360 need, and you can choose for yourself. 1098 00:56:27,640 --> 00:56:30,640 That's quite good actually. And and he's like, I don't think 1099 00:56:30,640 --> 00:56:33,200 I'm like that. And then what does Miranda say? 1100 00:56:35,000 --> 00:56:38,040 And he's like, what if I don't want what you have? 1101 00:56:38,720 --> 00:56:41,600 Don't be ridiculous, Andrea. Everyone wants this. 1102 00:56:41,720 --> 00:56:44,440 Everyone wants to be us. Great. 1103 00:56:44,440 --> 00:56:46,680 Well done. And then Andy throws her front 1104 00:56:46,680 --> 00:56:47,800 on the fountain. She quits. 1105 00:56:47,800 --> 00:56:49,360 What I will say is quite camp as well. 1106 00:56:49,400 --> 00:56:52,840 That whole scene when Miranda leaves the car because it's all 1107 00:56:52,840 --> 00:56:55,800 green screen, because they can't afford to bring Merrill to 1108 00:56:55,800 --> 00:56:56,840 Paris. They couldn't afford to bring 1109 00:56:56,840 --> 00:56:58,440 Merrill to Paris. That's quite funny. 1110 00:56:58,440 --> 00:57:01,640 Yeah, or they just filmed it in New York. 1111 00:57:02,200 --> 00:57:05,400 No they they did film him in Paris but they literally had no 1112 00:57:05,400 --> 00:57:08,720 money and so they I think they had to do everything in 2 days. 1113 00:57:08,920 --> 00:57:13,200 Yeah, but I just assumed, like whenever they were filming with 1114 00:57:13,200 --> 00:57:15,400 Meryl, it was just still in New York and they were pretending it 1115 00:57:15,400 --> 00:57:17,080 was Paris. Oh yeah, no, that's what I mean. 1116 00:57:17,080 --> 00:57:19,400 But they just, yeah, they couldn't fly her over. 1117 00:57:19,560 --> 00:57:23,040 Yeah, but that, I like that too, because it looks really shit 1118 00:57:23,040 --> 00:57:24,160 when they're driving in that car. 1119 00:57:24,160 --> 00:57:27,720 They're like the Paris going past the windows, just like, OK, 1120 00:57:28,040 --> 00:57:29,640 sure. It's like the pop videos of the 1121 00:57:29,640 --> 00:57:31,080 time. It's very like girls without 1122 00:57:31,080 --> 00:57:32,920 something kind of a. Yes, exactly. 1123 00:57:33,960 --> 00:57:35,920 I do think throwing your phone on a fountain is kind of. 1124 00:57:37,000 --> 00:57:39,040 Ridiculous. It's so cliche that I think it's 1125 00:57:39,040 --> 00:57:40,680 kind of camp have. You ever done anything like 1126 00:57:40,680 --> 00:57:41,880 that? No. 1127 00:57:41,880 --> 00:57:43,360 Are you that person? No. 1128 00:57:43,360 --> 00:57:44,680 I was about to say, I hope you're not. 1129 00:57:44,680 --> 00:57:47,000 No, I'm not that main character energy. 1130 00:57:48,040 --> 00:57:49,160 Yeah, I know you think I am, but I'm. 1131 00:57:49,320 --> 00:57:50,840 Yeah. No, I no, I don't think you are 1132 00:57:50,920 --> 00:57:52,720 now. I just think you probably could 1133 00:57:52,800 --> 00:57:58,880 could have been that person. You definitely have been in a in 1134 00:57:58,880 --> 00:58:01,040 a version of this film. I can. 1135 00:58:01,720 --> 00:58:03,000 Oh yeah. Yeah. 1136 00:58:04,120 --> 00:58:08,160 So Andy goes back to New York. She gets a job at a real 1137 00:58:08,160 --> 00:58:12,840 magazine, real journalists, and she kind of, sort of makes up 1138 00:58:12,840 --> 00:58:14,440 with Nate. Probably not going to stay 1139 00:58:14,440 --> 00:58:19,760 together. And then she walks past Runway 1140 00:58:19,760 --> 00:58:23,240 and she sees Miranda, and Miranda doesn't smile at her, 1141 00:58:23,240 --> 00:58:26,200 but then smiles to herself. The end. 1142 00:58:26,840 --> 00:58:31,800 But it's not the end, because it's back, and Miranda has 1143 00:58:31,800 --> 00:58:34,480 dementia now, apparently. Oh, really? 1144 00:58:34,480 --> 00:58:35,720 No, she doesn't. No, it's. 1145 00:58:35,760 --> 00:58:37,720 Just in the trailer, she can't remember Andy. 1146 00:58:37,720 --> 00:58:39,160 Yeah, but actually, that makes sense. 1147 00:58:39,160 --> 00:58:40,440 That makes sense to me. Yeah. 1148 00:58:40,520 --> 00:58:43,120 Because it's like, why would you remember like some fucking loser 1149 00:58:43,120 --> 00:58:45,480 that you worked with for a few months 20 years ago? 1150 00:58:45,480 --> 00:58:46,880 Yeah, like how long was she there? 1151 00:58:46,880 --> 00:58:47,680 Six months. Yeah. 1152 00:58:47,680 --> 00:58:50,960 And it's like, yeah, I made a big impact on your life. 1153 00:58:51,040 --> 00:58:53,800 Of course I did, because I'm Miranda Priestley. 1154 00:58:54,080 --> 00:58:56,120 Groundbreaking. Well, there we go. 1155 00:58:56,120 --> 00:59:00,280 Well, that was kind of probably the worst breakdown we've ever 1156 00:59:00,280 --> 00:59:04,880 done on this podcast ever. It's got to be the most known 1157 00:59:04,880 --> 00:59:09,000 plot of any movie we've covered. Yes, I assume, Like, I assume if 1158 00:59:09,000 --> 00:59:11,720 you listen to this podcast, you've seen this movie 10 times. 1159 00:59:11,920 --> 00:59:13,360 Yeah, Right. Yeah. 1160 00:59:13,360 --> 00:59:15,080 So that why are we doing it again? 1161 00:59:15,920 --> 00:59:19,920 Well, to give our fresh and hilarious perspective, OK. 1162 00:59:20,000 --> 00:59:24,040 So what is camp about this movie to you, I mean, and like, now 1163 00:59:24,040 --> 00:59:26,760 what? What generates that for you? 1164 00:59:27,000 --> 00:59:29,880 OK. Do you like the nostalgia of it? 1165 00:59:31,120 --> 00:59:32,360 I didn't. I did. 1166 00:59:32,600 --> 00:59:34,840 I did enjoy this rewatch and probably been five years since 1167 00:59:34,840 --> 00:59:37,400 I'd watched. And I was like, oh, some of the 1168 00:59:37,400 --> 00:59:41,960 jokes that haven't been overused to death I'd forgotten about. 1169 00:59:42,080 --> 00:59:43,280 And I was like, oh, that's funny. 1170 00:59:43,920 --> 00:59:47,400 And you know, it's just a joy to watch Merrell Merrelling this 1171 00:59:47,400 --> 00:59:48,920 hard. She Merrells so hard. 1172 00:59:48,920 --> 00:59:51,160 Yeah, she is this the most she's ever merrelled? 1173 00:59:51,160 --> 00:59:52,600 It's. Possibly the most she's ever 1174 00:59:52,600 --> 00:59:54,280 met, She's. Merrelling more in this than she 1175 00:59:54,280 --> 00:59:58,880 does in death becomes her, maybe. 1176 00:59:58,880 --> 01:00:04,360 I think so. And OK, so OK, right, Death 1177 01:00:04,360 --> 01:00:07,640 becomes her Devil Wears Prada. Is there any more competition? 1178 01:00:08,280 --> 01:00:10,320 Yeah, yeah, she's. Very Merrill. 1179 01:00:10,440 --> 01:00:13,160 Baby Merrill. It's like precursor to death 1180 01:00:13,160 --> 01:00:14,280 becomes a Merrill. That's the. 1181 01:00:14,320 --> 01:00:15,240 Same it's. Yeah. 1182 01:00:15,720 --> 01:00:17,920 Is this her final form of merrilling? 1183 01:00:18,360 --> 01:00:21,520 Is it is, is there, is there a scale of merrilling that we're 1184 01:00:21,520 --> 01:00:25,440 seeing or would you put Merrilling of Death becomes her 1185 01:00:25,440 --> 01:00:28,840 as equal to Miranda Merrilling? Well, it goes downhill after 1186 01:00:28,840 --> 01:00:30,480 this, doesn't it? Because Mamma Mia is a oh, 1187 01:00:30,520 --> 01:00:33,600 there's been Merrill. No, I mean I've the Merrill was 1188 01:00:33,640 --> 01:00:35,960 not all the way through. The Merrill is not Merrill. 1189 01:00:37,800 --> 01:00:41,920 But yeah, she's merryling. She's merryling the fuck house 1190 01:00:41,920 --> 01:00:42,880 down house. Down. 1191 01:00:42,920 --> 01:00:45,560 Chanel boots. Chanel boots, Mama. 1192 01:00:52,040 --> 01:00:55,600 So I find that camp. I also found like the, I don't 1193 01:00:55,600 --> 01:00:59,080 know, I found some joy in watching it and like remembering 1194 01:00:59,080 --> 01:01:02,520 what it was like to be me 20 years ago and like having 1195 01:01:02,520 --> 01:01:06,240 basically 0 gay representation and like having to use a movie 1196 01:01:06,240 --> 01:01:09,880 like this as like, yeah, an inspirational thing. 1197 01:01:09,880 --> 01:01:13,560 I don't know, it kind of, it was kind of sweet to me in that 1198 01:01:13,560 --> 01:01:15,160 regard. It's also like kind of 1199 01:01:15,160 --> 01:01:17,840 bittersweet because you're like, God, that's fucking pathetic. 1200 01:01:19,200 --> 01:01:23,000 But I know it's the whole film is really that like, you know, 1201 01:01:23,040 --> 01:01:25,040 and it reminds me as well. It's so interesting what you're 1202 01:01:25,040 --> 01:01:27,800 saying about like not having any like gay representation and 1203 01:01:27,800 --> 01:01:30,360 like, and like clinging on to these kind of things because it, 1204 01:01:30,600 --> 01:01:32,520 it reminds me of being like with one of my friends. 1205 01:01:32,520 --> 01:01:35,160 And we'd always get like all of the kind of lowbrow fashion 1206 01:01:35,160 --> 01:01:38,520 magazines, not even like Vogues. And we literally would just sit 1207 01:01:38,520 --> 01:01:40,880 through it and we'd just be like, what do you think of her 1208 01:01:40,880 --> 01:01:42,320 looking like this? What do you think of her? 1209 01:01:42,520 --> 01:01:44,560 And it's also very like, what's your diet? 1210 01:01:44,560 --> 01:01:47,520 Well, I live on a diet of Diet Coke, cigarettes and coffee. 1211 01:01:47,520 --> 01:01:51,720 Do you know what I mean? It's it's very reductive. 1212 01:01:52,440 --> 01:01:55,440 So reductive, yeah. And you're, it's very like it 1213 01:01:55,440 --> 01:01:57,400 came out at that time when you're like trying to figure out 1214 01:01:57,400 --> 01:02:02,160 how to be gay basically for me. And like, you're out. 1215 01:02:02,160 --> 01:02:05,160 But like, oh, guess, I guess now I'm supposed to be like a bitchy 1216 01:02:05,160 --> 01:02:06,720 queen or something. I don't know. 1217 01:02:06,720 --> 01:02:08,920 And like, you're kind of basically modelling yourself 1218 01:02:08,920 --> 01:02:12,480 after a Stanley Tucci, which is fucking grim, but. 1219 01:02:12,480 --> 01:02:15,000 Also, all of your friends are modelling you as that as well, 1220 01:02:15,000 --> 01:02:16,880 because they're modeling themselves as either. 1221 01:02:16,920 --> 01:02:19,200 Yeah. A combo of Emily. 1222 01:02:19,480 --> 01:02:21,480 Yeah. It's, it's literally like an 1223 01:02:21,480 --> 01:02:24,040 update on like, which friends character are you or. 1224 01:02:24,160 --> 01:02:26,720 No, it's it's worse. It's like, who are you in Sex in 1225 01:02:26,720 --> 01:02:27,600 the City? Totally. 1226 01:02:27,680 --> 01:02:31,720 Who are you in Sex in the City? You're Samantha now, aren't you? 1227 01:02:31,800 --> 01:02:35,160 Yeah, yeah, you're definitely. You're not even Samantha. 1228 01:02:35,160 --> 01:02:38,640 You're like. Yeah, like Samantha on 1229 01:02:38,840 --> 01:02:44,400 testosterone. But yeah, it's it's just that 1230 01:02:44,400 --> 01:02:49,280 kind of like slightly, what's the word where you want to be 1231 01:02:49,280 --> 01:02:52,040 something it's like. I don't aspiration. 1232 01:02:52,040 --> 01:02:55,520 Yes, slightly fucked up. This is the aspiration of life, 1233 01:02:55,520 --> 01:02:56,360 isn't? It we. 1234 01:02:56,360 --> 01:02:59,280 All want to wear like designer Chanel boots. 1235 01:02:59,280 --> 01:03:01,400 We all want to. Yeah, yeah. 1236 01:03:01,560 --> 01:03:05,520 It's pathetic. And like, it's so telling that 1237 01:03:05,520 --> 01:03:08,840 some a movie like this was all we had basically for gay 1238 01:03:08,840 --> 01:03:12,160 representation. Because I remember going out to 1239 01:03:12,160 --> 01:03:17,000 a club when I was probably 20 wearing a shirt that said please 1240 01:03:17,000 --> 01:03:20,400 don't feed the models. Oh, it's so fucking 1241 01:03:20,400 --> 01:03:23,600 embarrassing. Or like rhinestoning my own like 1242 01:03:23,640 --> 01:03:28,840 Chanel top. So fucking cringe. 1243 01:03:30,240 --> 01:03:32,280 I don't think 20 year olds are that cringe anymore. 1244 01:03:32,280 --> 01:03:34,400 No, they're definitely not this cringe. 1245 01:03:34,400 --> 01:03:38,720 But like I was in a very small town in Canada and this is what 1246 01:03:38,720 --> 01:03:41,240 we had and you're like trying to figure out how to be yourself. 1247 01:03:41,240 --> 01:03:43,080 And I don't know, maybe that isn't, none of that is camp 1248 01:03:43,080 --> 01:03:46,680 actually. But like, there was like 1249 01:03:46,680 --> 01:03:49,320 something about watching it that brought back those feelings and 1250 01:03:49,320 --> 01:03:51,720 I was like just kind of interested to feel them again, I 1251 01:03:51,720 --> 01:03:53,320 guess. Something I do enjoy about the 1252 01:03:53,320 --> 01:03:58,480 film is I enjoy seeing the kind of lushness of the world. 1253 01:03:58,880 --> 01:04:01,400 Like, it feels Hollywood to me, the representation of the 1254 01:04:01,400 --> 01:04:03,840 fashion industry and Hollywood. Yeah. 1255 01:04:04,000 --> 01:04:06,240 And you see, like, now, you know how, like, people talk about, 1256 01:04:06,240 --> 01:04:09,040 like, grading in movies as well. And they've compared the new 1257 01:04:09,040 --> 01:04:11,640 film with like, the old. And again, you just kind of 1258 01:04:11,640 --> 01:04:14,240 forget, like, kind of how like rich everything is. 1259 01:04:14,240 --> 01:04:17,440 And the fashion is gorgeous. It's lovely to see it all kind 1260 01:04:17,440 --> 01:04:19,400 of again. But the only problem is it's 1261 01:04:19,480 --> 01:04:21,480 just made a little bit too digestible. 1262 01:04:21,680 --> 01:04:24,560 I agree. I wish Emily had been more 1263 01:04:25,960 --> 01:04:28,800 outrageous avant-garde like. Apparently she's wearing like 1264 01:04:28,800 --> 01:04:32,000 Rick Owens and and like and a mule Meister in this movie, but 1265 01:04:32,000 --> 01:04:35,240 you don't really see it. She looks, I don't know, she 1266 01:04:35,240 --> 01:04:37,960 looks like she works in an office in 2006. 1267 01:04:38,160 --> 01:04:42,200 Like, I wish she'd been a bit more edgy, basically, because I 1268 01:04:42,240 --> 01:04:44,440 think that is kind of what's missing from this movie because 1269 01:04:44,760 --> 01:04:47,560 fashion has so much of that, and all of these characters are 1270 01:04:47,560 --> 01:04:49,240 quite safe. Yeah, true. 1271 01:04:49,800 --> 01:04:51,720 I watched a bunch of the deleted scenes. 1272 01:04:52,080 --> 01:04:53,840 Oh, yeah. There's like 20 minutes of 1273 01:04:53,840 --> 01:04:55,560 deleted scenes you can watch on YouTube. 1274 01:04:55,560 --> 01:04:57,640 I don't know. It's kind of interesting. 1275 01:04:57,640 --> 01:04:59,160 I don't really have anything to say about it. 1276 01:04:59,320 --> 01:05:02,840 Well, interestingly enough, Merrill now she's in her like 1277 01:05:02,960 --> 01:05:08,160 evil say as it is most she's apparently this new film she's 1278 01:05:08,160 --> 01:05:10,160 there's been quite a lot of her scenes that have hit the cutting 1279 01:05:10,160 --> 01:05:11,480 room floor. Oh, really? 1280 01:05:11,480 --> 01:05:12,600 Yeah. And she was just kind of like, 1281 01:05:12,600 --> 01:05:17,000 well, I guess they'll put it on some DVD extra uncut thing. 1282 01:05:19,240 --> 01:05:22,120 But I think it's something to do with test audiences, I think. 1283 01:05:23,240 --> 01:05:27,960 I think originally, like, she was made too likeable, right, 1284 01:05:27,960 --> 01:05:30,760 And too relatable in this film. And I think test audiences were 1285 01:05:30,760 --> 01:05:33,800 like, where's the Miranda we know and love? 1286 01:05:33,800 --> 01:05:36,840 Which actually brings me on to something. 1287 01:05:37,400 --> 01:05:41,000 Are we, like circling back to like, loving the bitch again 1288 01:05:41,000 --> 01:05:44,240 now? Is that what people want from, 1289 01:05:44,360 --> 01:05:47,680 you know, the toxicity of like a horrible bully? 1290 01:05:47,680 --> 01:05:50,000 Because a lot of people are drawn to her. 1291 01:05:50,200 --> 01:05:53,400 And I feel like she represents a lot of things that in the past 1292 01:05:53,440 --> 01:05:57,400 20 years have been like, this is not cool to have this in the 1293 01:05:57,400 --> 01:06:00,160 workplace. This the kind of are we like 1294 01:06:00,160 --> 01:06:02,360 circling around to, like wanting this culture again. 1295 01:06:02,880 --> 01:06:04,760 I don't think we want the culture, but I think we want to 1296 01:06:04,760 --> 01:06:08,400 watch the culture because it's fucking fun and it's fun to 1297 01:06:08,400 --> 01:06:10,160 watch me and mommy give you a spanking. 1298 01:06:10,160 --> 01:06:12,640 But is that what we want in like reality TV as well though? 1299 01:06:12,640 --> 01:06:13,680 Do we want? Oh yeah. 1300 01:06:14,200 --> 01:06:15,800 Oh yeah. Everyone's getting mean again 1301 01:06:15,800 --> 01:06:17,680 now. So true, actually, Yeah. 1302 01:06:17,680 --> 01:06:21,920 Like you're selling Sunset. Like you don't get those women 1303 01:06:21,920 --> 01:06:25,280 without, Yeah. It just makes, it just makes me 1304 01:06:25,280 --> 01:06:27,480 laugh because we had this whole kind of like, you know, 1305 01:06:27,560 --> 01:06:30,200 obviously everyone just being kinder on social media and stuff 1306 01:06:30,200 --> 01:06:32,960 and it feels like everyone's getting a bit feral again and 1307 01:06:32,960 --> 01:06:34,720 nastier again. Let it happen. 1308 01:06:34,760 --> 01:06:37,680 There we go. Yeah, I will say I will. 1309 01:06:37,680 --> 01:06:40,240 Sorry. I will just say like obviously 1310 01:06:40,240 --> 01:06:43,400 it is really well written and for like a commercial comedy 1311 01:06:43,400 --> 01:06:45,840 that has like a chick lit slant to it. 1312 01:06:46,240 --> 01:06:49,520 I kind of don't really know anything from the genre that is 1313 01:06:49,520 --> 01:06:52,160 like, as is well done in terms of that. 1314 01:06:52,160 --> 01:06:53,920 Like it's funny. The jokes are there. 1315 01:06:54,040 --> 01:06:54,600 It's. Funny. 1316 01:06:54,600 --> 01:06:58,080 And they're executed immaculately by the main cast. 1317 01:06:58,080 --> 01:07:02,000 Yeah, Emily Bond is such like a physical, funny comedian. 1318 01:07:02,320 --> 01:07:04,200 She just. She's just great. 1319 01:07:04,320 --> 01:07:07,120 Yeah, she's so good enough and. She holds her own with Meryl 1320 01:07:07,120 --> 01:07:09,840 like it's that's what I think is like about this new one. 1321 01:07:09,840 --> 01:07:12,920 Is is like it probably won't be as interesting as it seems, but 1322 01:07:12,920 --> 01:07:16,360 like that's a juicy combo to me is because it feels like if 1323 01:07:16,360 --> 01:07:21,040 anybody's got it in her to go against Miranda Priestly, is is 1324 01:07:21,120 --> 01:07:22,840 that character. Well, what are your? 1325 01:07:23,320 --> 01:07:24,840 Do you know much about the new one? 1326 01:07:24,840 --> 01:07:26,000 Yeah, a fair bit. OK. 1327 01:07:26,000 --> 01:07:27,040 I don't really know anything about it. 1328 01:07:27,120 --> 01:07:30,160 I was going to do see if we did some predictions, but. 1329 01:07:30,160 --> 01:07:32,000 Will you you make some predictions? 1330 01:07:33,520 --> 01:07:36,600 I think my main prediction is that it's going to be absolutely 1331 01:07:36,600 --> 01:07:41,640 fine. It's going to be surprisingly 1332 01:07:41,640 --> 01:07:46,720 good in places and overall be quite average and I would much 1333 01:07:46,720 --> 01:07:51,960 prefer a Sex and the City 2 fucking car crash of like garish 1334 01:07:52,320 --> 01:07:55,080 racism. Then yeah then whatever. 1335 01:07:55,080 --> 01:07:55,880 This. I think you're right. 1336 01:07:55,880 --> 01:07:59,400 Like it's it's scored higher overall in rotted tomato rotted, 1337 01:07:59,400 --> 01:08:02,960 not rotted Rotten Tomatoes. And like people are saying that 1338 01:08:02,960 --> 01:08:06,560 it's it's actually in lots of ways better than the first 1339 01:08:06,560 --> 01:08:09,920 movie, but like, but also not as enjoyable. 1340 01:08:10,640 --> 01:08:12,760 Literally what you're saying because it's essentially, it's 1341 01:08:12,760 --> 01:08:14,960 essentially making really clear points about the like the 1342 01:08:14,960 --> 01:08:19,439 downfall of print and what that means in a world of AI taking 1343 01:08:19,439 --> 01:08:21,439 over. But I don't think it's doing it 1344 01:08:21,439 --> 01:08:25,000 in like AI think it's doing it in a really kind of smart way of 1345 01:08:25,000 --> 01:08:26,920 just sort of hands up. What the fuck do we do? 1346 01:08:27,160 --> 01:08:29,600 And it's also leaning into the fact that a lot of these luxury 1347 01:08:29,600 --> 01:08:33,840 brands now and luxury, you know, things like magazines as we see 1348 01:08:33,840 --> 01:08:36,160 all media budgets have just gone down so much. 1349 01:08:36,160 --> 01:08:39,399 And it's just kind of an insight into what what the industry 1350 01:08:39,399 --> 01:08:41,600 looks like when they're still trying to kind of. 1351 01:08:42,640 --> 01:08:44,399 Project Glamour. Which again, is what you're 1352 01:08:44,399 --> 01:08:45,800 saying about the Anna Winter of it all. 1353 01:08:45,800 --> 01:08:50,399 You know, like no longer can she just be this like editor of the 1354 01:08:50,600 --> 01:08:53,319 best magazine in the world. It's like she has to now go 1355 01:08:53,319 --> 01:08:56,640 viral on someone's TikTok or invite influencers to certain 1356 01:08:56,640 --> 01:08:58,240 events. So it's just, I think it's just 1357 01:08:58,240 --> 01:09:00,359 reflecting where we're at. Right. 1358 01:09:01,680 --> 01:09:04,439 I wonder if there's anything they're going to like address. 1359 01:09:04,439 --> 01:09:08,200 I presume they will address the fat phobia of this movie. 1360 01:09:08,319 --> 01:09:11,200 She now has an assistant that is there to correct her on any 1361 01:09:11,200 --> 01:09:12,920 problematic language that she makes. 1362 01:09:14,040 --> 01:09:15,120 That's kind of funny. Yeah. 1363 01:09:15,200 --> 01:09:17,520 Yeah. But like, I wonder if they will 1364 01:09:17,520 --> 01:09:21,200 explicitly reference like, because that is the one thing I 1365 01:09:21,200 --> 01:09:24,000 would say in this movie that is that was incredibly glaring 1366 01:09:24,000 --> 01:09:26,279 watching in 2026, all of these fat jokes. 1367 01:09:26,359 --> 01:09:28,240 Yeah. It's they're just not OK. 1368 01:09:28,240 --> 01:09:31,840 And the. The movie is sometimes being 1369 01:09:31,840 --> 01:09:36,680 like, isn't it ridiculous, these expectations and aren't these 1370 01:09:36,680 --> 01:09:40,319 people awful for calling her fat when she's clearly not fat and 1371 01:09:40,319 --> 01:09:44,840 blah, blah, blah. But then she's like buys into it 1372 01:09:44,840 --> 01:09:48,200 and goes down to a size 4 and is rewarded for it. 1373 01:09:48,200 --> 01:09:51,040 And it's like the movie is trying to have it both ways. 1374 01:09:51,040 --> 01:09:54,320 And it's very. Yeah, I really don't like that. 1375 01:09:55,560 --> 01:09:59,360 So I could imagine them making some kind of like woke gesture. 1376 01:09:59,440 --> 01:10:02,280 Yeah, but I think it'll be more along the lines of this is just 1377 01:10:02,280 --> 01:10:04,280 a prediction. But like, you know, oh, we've 1378 01:10:04,280 --> 01:10:07,280 got a Lizzo on the front cover of the magazine and like Miranda 1379 01:10:07,280 --> 01:10:08,920 being like, what the fuck? Right. 1380 01:10:08,920 --> 01:10:10,080 Or. And then she could. 1381 01:10:10,080 --> 01:10:12,240 And then Andy will say something like, oh, I remember when I 1382 01:10:12,240 --> 01:10:13,800 worked here and you used to call me fat. 1383 01:10:13,800 --> 01:10:15,720 How times have changed. Yeah. 1384 01:10:16,400 --> 01:10:19,040 Why are we doing like a prediction of like, it's not 1385 01:10:19,040 --> 01:10:20,440 like this sequel has just been announced. 1386 01:10:20,440 --> 01:10:23,000 It's like out. If you're a fan of Devil's body, 1387 01:10:23,000 --> 01:10:25,160 you probably watched it. So therefore, much like us 1388 01:10:25,400 --> 01:10:27,320 talking about the film, you also don't need us to talk about a 1389 01:10:27,320 --> 01:10:29,960 film that we haven't watched. OK. 1390 01:10:30,640 --> 01:10:33,480 We might give more insight into Devil Wears Prada 2 than we have 1391 01:10:33,480 --> 01:10:38,760 done in this. I don't have anything else to 1392 01:10:38,760 --> 01:10:41,840 say. No, I think it's hard to talk 1393 01:10:41,840 --> 01:10:44,400 about a film. Well, why is it hard? 1394 01:10:45,000 --> 01:10:48,360 Why is it hard for us to enjoy this film when it's 20 years old 1395 01:10:48,360 --> 01:10:52,320 and we watched lots of films from 20-30 years that we've seen 1396 01:10:52,320 --> 01:10:55,480 millions of times? Because it's annoying to were 1397 01:10:55,480 --> 01:10:58,960 the annoying kind of gaze that when something we like gets mass 1398 01:10:58,960 --> 01:11:02,480 appeal, we stop liking it. That's what it is, isn't it? 1399 01:11:02,480 --> 01:11:05,720 Yes, this is the problem. It is too popular. 1400 01:11:05,720 --> 01:11:07,960 It's too popular. It's too successful and 1401 01:11:07,960 --> 01:11:10,600 therefore we hate it. Yeah, because even like, you 1402 01:11:10,600 --> 01:11:14,040 know, like obviously we've not talked about it but explicitly, 1403 01:11:14,040 --> 01:11:17,360 but we love Showgirls, but Showgirls still, although it's 1404 01:11:17,360 --> 01:11:20,520 got a huge cult success, it's never, never accepted by the 1405 01:11:20,520 --> 01:11:23,400 mainstream. But yeah, this film is just 1406 01:11:23,400 --> 01:11:25,760 it's. It is the this film is the 1407 01:11:25,760 --> 01:11:27,080 culture. Yeah. 1408 01:11:27,600 --> 01:11:30,400 Like, you could quote this film that anyone on the street and 1409 01:11:30,400 --> 01:11:32,560 they'd probably get it. I don't know. 1410 01:11:32,560 --> 01:11:35,720 We're here to celebrate. It's straight camp. 1411 01:11:35,880 --> 01:11:37,680 Yeah, we've been here. We've been to straight camp 1412 01:11:37,680 --> 01:11:42,120 before as well, yeah. Yeah, so on one hand I want to 1413 01:11:42,120 --> 01:11:45,040 be like, I'm sorry that I'm an annoying gay that only likes 1414 01:11:45,040 --> 01:11:48,560 things that are underground and niche or like subversive or 1415 01:11:48,560 --> 01:11:50,160 weird. But on the other hand, we 1416 01:11:50,240 --> 01:11:52,720 wouldn't have this fucking podcast if that wasn't the case. 1417 01:11:52,880 --> 01:11:59,400 So and I will continue being a bitter jaded old queen who likes 1418 01:11:59,400 --> 01:12:02,440 brat until there's brat club nights on every corner and then 1419 01:12:02,960 --> 01:12:08,400 stops liking brat. Also, then it goes against, it 1420 01:12:08,640 --> 01:12:10,280 goes against more than just films. 1421 01:12:10,280 --> 01:12:14,760 This is a deeper thing, you know, like a mass celebration of 1422 01:12:14,760 --> 01:12:18,120 something is like, you know, McDonald's is popular. 1423 01:12:18,120 --> 01:12:19,440 Does that mean it's good for you? 1424 01:12:19,880 --> 01:12:22,320 Now totally. No, it's, it's rotten. 1425 01:12:22,600 --> 01:12:25,120 You know you need to search for things that are really going to 1426 01:12:25,120 --> 01:12:26,960 nourish you. And I think the reason this 1427 01:12:26,960 --> 01:12:30,760 movie did probably nourish us a bit 20 years ago is that it did 1428 01:12:30,760 --> 01:12:36,280 have humble beginnings. Relatively, it wasn't one big 1429 01:12:36,440 --> 01:12:41,200 billboard for every brand, which I'm sure the second one will be 1430 01:12:41,280 --> 01:12:43,040 like. It's the same with Sex and the 1431 01:12:43,040 --> 01:12:44,800 City. Like when that show started it 1432 01:12:44,800 --> 01:12:48,360 was scrappy and interesting and weird and by the time you get to 1433 01:12:48,360 --> 01:12:51,320 Sex and the City 2 the movie, it's like eaten its own tail and 1434 01:12:51,320 --> 01:12:53,800 gotten so fat and bloated and stupid. 1435 01:12:53,800 --> 01:12:58,800 And that's also, I think, was Meryl Streep 52 or 56 when she 1436 01:12:58,800 --> 01:13:01,120 made this. She even admitted to herself 1437 01:13:01,120 --> 01:13:03,720 like her career was going down. Oh, really? 1438 01:13:03,720 --> 01:13:07,400 She took a punt and said double my fee because she just, she 1439 01:13:07,400 --> 01:13:08,480 thought there would be money for it. 1440 01:13:08,480 --> 01:13:11,920 And they did. Again, we've got a woman in her 1441 01:13:11,920 --> 01:13:15,880 50s in the early 90s leading a major feature film. 1442 01:13:15,880 --> 01:13:17,600 And she might be Meryl Streep, but still. 1443 01:13:18,040 --> 01:13:20,920 And it's it's aside from Stanley Tucci, he'd, I mean, he doesn't 1444 01:13:20,920 --> 01:13:23,400 lead the film in any capacity. He's a sidekick. 1445 01:13:23,640 --> 01:13:27,400 These are three women leading a big comedy and it's smashed it 1446 01:13:27,400 --> 01:13:28,480 out the park. So it has. 1447 01:13:28,800 --> 01:13:31,160 It has done a lot for Hollywood in that sense. 1448 01:13:31,280 --> 01:13:34,320 Sure, But yeah, by the time you get to Devil Wears Prada 2, it 1449 01:13:34,320 --> 01:13:36,360 doesn't. I feel like you can, really. 1450 01:13:36,520 --> 01:13:38,520 There's nothing underdog about it. 1451 01:13:38,520 --> 01:13:41,240 That you need to add on to. And I think as well, like, I 1452 01:13:41,240 --> 01:13:44,200 obviously haven't seen the film, but like, even like, you know, 1453 01:13:44,200 --> 01:13:48,600 having Lady Gaga and Dolce doing that runway song that just feels 1454 01:13:48,600 --> 01:13:52,880 AI, you know, like sachet Dolce. It's just, it all feels like we 1455 01:13:52,880 --> 01:13:56,200 just got very lazy with what it is. 1456 01:13:56,200 --> 01:13:57,440 Yeah. But yeah. 1457 01:13:57,760 --> 01:14:00,200 Should we rate this movie? We should rate this movie. 1458 01:14:00,360 --> 01:14:04,720 OK, so we need to give it one to 10 Merrells, Yeah, for the 1459 01:14:04,720 --> 01:14:07,600 quality, and one to 10 Elizas for the camp factor. 1460 01:14:07,840 --> 01:14:11,160 I'm going to give Meryl in this movie 10 Merrells, as we've 1461 01:14:11,160 --> 01:14:13,400 discussed. She's out merrilled herself. 1462 01:14:13,400 --> 01:14:17,520 She's out merrilled herself. I don't know. 1463 01:14:18,080 --> 01:14:21,200 I think it's a very successful comedy that is well written, 1464 01:14:21,440 --> 01:14:28,440 well acted, tight, engaging. It still holds up 20 years 1465 01:14:28,440 --> 01:14:29,760 later. It's an easy one and. 1466 01:14:29,760 --> 01:14:32,040 It's got that phantom, you know, it's not pretending to be real 1467 01:14:32,040 --> 01:14:34,080 fucking life. It's it's, you know, it's meant 1468 01:14:34,080 --> 01:14:36,880 to be fantasy. It's meant to be kind of extreme 1469 01:14:36,880 --> 01:14:43,760 and locks like 78888. 9. 10. I think it's an 8. 1470 01:14:43,960 --> 01:14:45,280 It's an 8. It's an 8. 1471 01:14:45,480 --> 01:14:48,720 It's an 8 OK. That's the most disgruntled 8 1472 01:14:48,760 --> 01:14:54,040 ever. Yes, it's a camp classic, OK. 1473 01:14:55,840 --> 01:14:58,680 What about Lizers? How many Lizers does this movie 1474 01:14:58,680 --> 01:15:01,720 get? Again, I have to give Meryl. 1475 01:15:01,720 --> 01:15:03,680 Sex in the City 2, which had Lizer. 1476 01:15:04,560 --> 01:15:09,280 There is no Lizer, but I would give Meryl 10 Lizers again in 1477 01:15:09,280 --> 01:15:10,480 this movie. Yeah, I mean. 1478 01:15:11,040 --> 01:15:13,000 Those like. We wouldn't be doing our job 1479 01:15:13,000 --> 01:15:15,120 correctly if we if we avoided that. 1480 01:15:15,280 --> 01:15:18,320 Like we could be as tired of this movie as we want, but to 1481 01:15:18,320 --> 01:15:23,200 kind but to claim that Miranda Priestly is not a camp icon is 1482 01:15:23,200 --> 01:15:24,800 just ridiculous. We're not. 1483 01:15:24,880 --> 01:15:27,000 We're not that fucking self important. 1484 01:15:27,560 --> 01:15:29,760 This is. This is one of the blueprint 1485 01:15:29,760 --> 01:15:32,400 characters of. Camp. 1486 01:15:32,560 --> 01:15:34,960 Yeah, yeah. So. 1487 01:15:35,600 --> 01:15:39,160 Like, how dare we? How dare we even come for this 1488 01:15:39,160 --> 01:15:46,880 film because of that. I I can't, I can't give this 1489 01:15:46,880 --> 01:15:49,760 movie 10 lies. No, no way. 1490 01:15:49,880 --> 01:15:51,960 No. With extracting Merrill. 1491 01:15:53,000 --> 01:15:57,480 Perfect. Glorious camp Perfection. 1492 01:15:57,480 --> 01:16:01,760 I'm also going to give Emily Blunt, 10 in campness. 1493 01:16:02,120 --> 01:16:07,560 I think she does the job. The movie overall, it's like it 1494 01:16:07,560 --> 01:16:14,280 had queer joy for me when I was 20, and it doesn't really 1495 01:16:14,280 --> 01:16:17,880 anymore. It's got no underdog flop. 1496 01:16:18,080 --> 01:16:22,600 It's got a fucking enormous ongoing legacy. 1497 01:16:22,760 --> 01:16:24,840 Yeah. And it is kind of stupid fun. 1498 01:16:24,840 --> 01:16:30,040 I'm going to give it like a six. Yeah, I was thinking around the 1499 01:16:30,040 --> 01:16:31,840 6th mark because I agree with you. 1500 01:16:31,840 --> 01:16:34,280 Like it. It doesn't do it for me anymore. 1501 01:16:34,480 --> 01:16:36,000 It definitely doesn't get me wet. 1502 01:16:36,040 --> 01:16:38,440 No. I'm quite dry at the thought of 1503 01:16:38,440 --> 01:16:43,040 it but it is safe and it's like comforting and it's like 1504 01:16:43,040 --> 01:16:46,360 whenever it's on in the background I'll like half watch 1505 01:16:46,360 --> 01:16:49,440 it and like. Safe and comforting is nice, but 1506 01:16:49,440 --> 01:16:51,440 you know what? It's not camp. 1507 01:16:52,120 --> 01:16:57,480 Safe and comforting is not. No, but because of Miranda 1508 01:16:57,480 --> 01:17:00,680 Priestly, because of Emily Blunt, and because of like, the 1509 01:17:00,680 --> 01:17:05,000 writing, Yeah, yeah, like it's a six for me as well. 1510 01:17:05,000 --> 01:17:08,280 We agree. What I will say is I'm excited 1511 01:17:08,360 --> 01:17:12,960 to bring a bootleg leader of Cosmopolitan into the theatre on 1512 01:17:12,960 --> 01:17:16,440 Friday to watch the worst part of two and just get shit faced 1513 01:17:16,560 --> 01:17:18,720 and cackle. Yeah, yeah. 1514 01:17:19,240 --> 01:17:20,760 And I'm sure I'll have a lovely time. 1515 01:17:21,040 --> 01:17:24,160 Yeah. And sorry if we've shat a little 1516 01:17:24,160 --> 01:17:30,680 bit on your favorite movie, but that's what these two old. 1517 01:17:30,760 --> 01:17:34,160 Girl, it isn't OK, I'm just saying. 1518 01:17:36,520 --> 01:17:40,520 OK. And before we go, it's time. 1519 01:17:40,800 --> 01:17:44,720 Suggestion sack Suggestion sack Suggestion sack that it's. 1520 01:17:45,840 --> 01:17:51,080 Time to de spunk the sack and find out what movie we're 1521 01:17:51,080 --> 01:17:53,200 covering next. Baby, do you want to do the 1522 01:17:53,200 --> 01:17:55,040 honour? Oh, I've been waiting to. 1523 01:17:55,080 --> 01:17:59,320 I've been busy in in Berlin, so I don't think my sack can take 1524 01:17:59,320 --> 01:17:59,760 it. Yeah. 1525 01:18:01,160 --> 01:18:04,880 Mine definitely needs these spunking right suggestion sack 1526 01:18:04,880 --> 01:18:06,960 suggest. OK, ready. 1527 01:18:07,280 --> 01:18:12,840 Oh, let me get that one. Please be something interesting. 1528 01:18:12,840 --> 01:18:18,800 OK. We are doing body of evidence 1529 01:18:18,840 --> 01:18:23,080 and that is by Dave. Oh my God, I'm so excited. 1530 01:18:23,840 --> 01:18:25,960 I've never seen it. You've never seen it? 1531 01:18:25,960 --> 01:18:28,560 I don't think I have. Oh my God, I watched that 1532 01:18:28,560 --> 01:18:30,040 recently. Why haven't I seen it? 1533 01:18:30,840 --> 01:18:33,120 OK, let me just quickly set the stage for you. 1534 01:18:33,200 --> 01:18:37,760 Oh God, let me gather my thoughts for you listening at 1535 01:18:37,760 --> 01:18:39,040 home. I would recommend you watch this 1536 01:18:39,040 --> 01:18:44,360 movie before we cover it it. It's a really cheap Basic 1537 01:18:44,360 --> 01:18:50,560 Instinct knock off with Madonna doing her best like golden age 1538 01:18:50,560 --> 01:18:56,000 starlit femme fatale impression but also having the craziest sex 1539 01:18:56,000 --> 01:18:57,560 scenes you've ever seen in your life. 1540 01:18:57,920 --> 01:19:04,240 It is ricochets from shocking to shocking to terrible to 1541 01:19:04,240 --> 01:19:06,080 shocking. Was that you just doing the 1542 01:19:06,080 --> 01:19:07,920 podcast then? Is that the episode? 1543 01:19:07,920 --> 01:19:09,240 Just no. I just want you to go in. 1544 01:19:09,240 --> 01:19:13,600 I want you to watch that going in, excited for those things. 1545 01:19:13,600 --> 01:19:15,600 OK, yeah, all right. Perfect. 1546 01:19:15,600 --> 01:19:18,400 Well, I might obsess with what? With where Madonna's at at the 1547 01:19:18,400 --> 01:19:20,240 moment, so. OK, great. 1548 01:19:20,240 --> 01:19:23,240 Yeah, and also you need to remember this is this movie came 1549 01:19:23,240 --> 01:19:25,880 out in the context of the erotica album and the sex book, 1550 01:19:25,880 --> 01:19:29,800 and everyone was basically like, I'm sick of staring at Madonna's 1551 01:19:29,800 --> 01:19:32,640 pussy. OK, OK, great. 1552 01:19:32,640 --> 01:19:34,520 We'll love it. Yeah, OK. 1553 01:19:37,160 --> 01:19:39,960 That's all. No, let's see what you did. 1554 01:19:40,240 --> 01:19:41,440 Yeah. It's like the end of the 1555 01:19:41,440 --> 01:19:42,800 podcast. Yeah. 1556 01:19:43,320 --> 01:19:47,600 Get away from her you bitch. Classic. 1557 01:20:05,600 --> 01:20:06,240 chow too.