1 00:00:00,440 --> 00:00:04,840 Get away from her, you bitch. Classic. 2 00:00:05,680 --> 00:00:09,120 He was in the Amazon cry along when she was researching spiders 3 00:00:09,120 --> 00:00:16,640 right before she died. No, Hannah, you thought you 4 00:00:16,640 --> 00:00:18,240 could call a prostitute or a. Dog at it. 5 00:00:18,640 --> 00:00:22,040 I used to love doggy chow. I used. 6 00:00:22,160 --> 00:00:25,560 To love doggy chow too. Yum Yum. 7 00:00:27,560 --> 00:00:32,479 I'm Crystal. You are really getting there 8 00:00:32,479 --> 00:00:33,920 with the impressions. I'm thank. 9 00:00:34,640 --> 00:00:37,200 You. Well, sorry, miss, I was giving 10 00:00:37,200 --> 00:00:40,680 myself an oil job. Yeah, that's a really niche one. 11 00:00:40,680 --> 00:00:44,480 I'm baby lame. And welcome to Camp Classics. 12 00:00:44,880 --> 00:00:47,960 A stupid podcast about thoughtful No, no. 13 00:00:48,200 --> 00:00:50,040 Did you have a brain tumor for breakfast? 14 00:00:50,200 --> 00:00:52,800 A thoughtful podcast about stupid movies. 15 00:00:53,040 --> 00:00:54,960 And here we are. Do you know what I think I was 16 00:00:54,960 --> 00:00:56,880 just a bit intimidated by the setup. 17 00:00:57,200 --> 00:00:59,200 Who the hell do we think we are? What? 18 00:00:59,200 --> 00:01:02,120 What is happening right now? Bright light, Bright light. 19 00:01:02,360 --> 00:01:04,720 We are in Canary. Wharf. 20 00:01:04,720 --> 00:01:06,600 We're in. Why are we in Canary Wharf? 21 00:01:06,600 --> 00:01:09,920 There's three cameras trained on me that reminds me of my last 22 00:01:09,920 --> 00:01:14,200 Saturday night. Bit of pressure, but I'm sure 23 00:01:14,200 --> 00:01:15,720 it'll be fine. I'm going to smash it. 24 00:01:16,480 --> 00:01:18,680 What's going on? I don't understand. 25 00:01:18,720 --> 00:01:21,240 I just think it's about time we pivoted to video. 26 00:01:21,280 --> 00:01:25,080 There's so much happening here with us, the chemistry that no 27 00:01:25,080 --> 00:01:27,400 one ever really gets to see. Yes, yes. 28 00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:30,680 So right now I do feel like I said to you as we walked into 29 00:01:30,680 --> 00:01:33,680 the room, I feel like we're doing a men's health podcast. 30 00:01:34,240 --> 00:01:38,040 It's OK to cry. Oh, and we've just covered 31 00:01:38,040 --> 00:01:42,080 Mortal Kombat, which was truly. Is this our LAD era? 32 00:01:45,160 --> 00:01:46,520 Literally, I've got. I've got. 33 00:01:46,880 --> 00:01:52,160 Your pint and we are holding a straight man hostage. 34 00:01:52,160 --> 00:01:56,840 Yeah, right. That is, listen, that's the 35 00:01:56,840 --> 00:01:59,680 thing that we're enjoying most. There's a poor guy here who's 36 00:01:59,680 --> 00:02:02,480 having to oversee this session and bless his soul, having to 37 00:02:02,480 --> 00:02:05,080 listen to this, but. We are shooting video. 38 00:02:05,080 --> 00:02:06,480 Will it ever see the light of day? 39 00:02:06,560 --> 00:02:08,120 Who knows? Who knows? 40 00:02:08,520 --> 00:02:10,000 But maybe one day. But what is this? 41 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:14,040 This is camp classics, where every two weeks we take a movie 42 00:02:14,040 --> 00:02:17,080 and decide if it's camp. It's important work. 43 00:02:17,120 --> 00:02:18,600 You know it's not camp. Tell me. 44 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:22,160 Canary Wharf. No, well, actually I disagree. 45 00:02:22,160 --> 00:02:23,760 I think it could be a little bit camp. 46 00:02:23,760 --> 00:02:25,720 You could imagine a Sharon Stone. 47 00:02:25,720 --> 00:02:28,360 Yeah, like a sexual thriller set here. 48 00:02:28,360 --> 00:02:35,040 It's very Basic Instinct to risk addiction when you think about 49 00:02:35,320 --> 00:02:39,560 fucking me, and I know you do, thank you. 50 00:02:39,560 --> 00:02:41,960 But also, you know, I could imagine being like a little 51 00:02:41,960 --> 00:02:45,320 working girl in a fur. Oh yeah, OK, So what, like a 52 00:02:45,320 --> 00:02:49,760 modern a modern working girl? Oh no, that kind of working 53 00:02:49,760 --> 00:02:50,560 girl. Sorry. 54 00:02:50,800 --> 00:02:52,600 Why didn't I immediately go to prostitute? 55 00:02:54,040 --> 00:02:56,960 I watched a really crazy Sharon Stone movie recently actually, 56 00:02:56,960 --> 00:02:58,720 which I think you'd like, called Sliver. 57 00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:00,600 Have you seen it? Oh yes, with one of the 58 00:03:00,600 --> 00:03:02,040 Baldwins. With one of the Baldwins. 59 00:03:02,040 --> 00:03:04,200 Yes, and it's like the flip. She's the innocent one. 60 00:03:04,280 --> 00:03:07,240 She's the innocent one but then she gets lured into his like sex 61 00:03:07,240 --> 00:03:09,760 games which is basically filming everyone in their apartment 62 00:03:09,760 --> 00:03:11,120 building and watching them all fuck. 63 00:03:13,040 --> 00:03:15,360 I want to be lured into someone's sex games. 64 00:03:15,360 --> 00:03:17,640 Yeah, with like a secret door where they're like, and this is 65 00:03:17,640 --> 00:03:20,520 where I watch 1000 TV's, everyone in the building 66 00:03:20,520 --> 00:03:23,040 fucking. And she's like, yeah, OK. 67 00:03:23,160 --> 00:03:23,840 She's into it. Yeah. 68 00:03:23,960 --> 00:03:25,960 OK, great. Also, the crazy thing about that 69 00:03:25,960 --> 00:03:28,640 movie, sorry we're not here to talk about Sliver, but that 70 00:03:28,640 --> 00:03:32,160 movie was meant to end with them both flying into a volcano at 71 00:03:32,160 --> 00:03:35,120 the end in the helicopter. They filmed it, but they're like 72 00:03:35,120 --> 00:03:37,720 Nah, it doesn't test well so it just ends with her. 73 00:03:37,720 --> 00:03:40,440 How? Did they get from like CCTV 74 00:03:40,440 --> 00:03:44,760 surveillance in a city to a volcano set up quite camp? 75 00:03:44,760 --> 00:03:46,400 Is it in the 90s or the early naughty? 76 00:03:46,800 --> 00:03:50,160 Yeah, early 90s, but yeah, yeah. Fine, it's like, let's see. 77 00:03:50,160 --> 00:03:51,800 No, they shot it. They just didn't use it. 78 00:03:51,800 --> 00:03:52,440 They're. Exactly. 79 00:03:52,440 --> 00:03:54,320 That's 12. We need a three-week shoot in 80 00:03:54,320 --> 00:03:56,360 like Honolulu or wherever. I don't know if there are 81 00:03:56,640 --> 00:03:58,560 volcanoes in Honolulu, but I doubt that sounds. 82 00:03:58,560 --> 00:03:59,640 Right, OK, sure. Yeah. 83 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:03,680 Before we go further though, business. 84 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:06,560 We do always the business. I stand on business. 85 00:04:06,560 --> 00:04:10,080 Yep, we have a gay trion where you can get a bonus episode 86 00:04:10,080 --> 00:04:10,800 every month. But. 87 00:04:10,880 --> 00:04:15,040 Help me, I'm poor and also check in with your sexual health. 88 00:04:15,040 --> 00:04:16,880 Check in with my testicular health. 89 00:04:17,519 --> 00:04:20,720 You can get a free trial, binge them all and then cancel. 90 00:04:20,720 --> 00:04:25,480 We won't judge you, and you can sign up directly on Patreon, or 91 00:04:25,480 --> 00:04:28,760 you can click the locked episode on Apple Podcasts or Spotify. 92 00:04:28,920 --> 00:04:31,480 How is the tally going? Well, we've got new members to 93 00:04:31,480 --> 00:04:33,280 shout. Out, but do you like is there 94 00:04:33,280 --> 00:04:36,880 like a a diagram of like people that drop off and come in? 95 00:04:37,720 --> 00:04:39,240 Oh, I see. Yeah, yeah, my house. 96 00:04:39,240 --> 00:04:41,760 Like if you if you picture it, it's just like one of those like 97 00:04:41,920 --> 00:04:46,320 wall of conspiracies like red string, like oh House of wax 98 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:49,800 gained 2 member Paris Hilton circled bunch of times. 99 00:04:49,800 --> 00:04:52,480 I just don't think you should have any more data because even 100 00:04:52,480 --> 00:04:55,560 like the very premise of this show is all about the data, I 101 00:04:55,560 --> 00:04:58,080 think it's not good for you to have data, no. 102 00:04:58,960 --> 00:05:01,680 Less data. Now see, I'm telling you I have 103 00:05:01,680 --> 00:05:03,880 the mind of a master. Master. 104 00:05:03,920 --> 00:05:06,400 I have the mind of a mastermind. What's that? 105 00:05:06,400 --> 00:05:08,760 I don't know. But you know, I'm so creative 106 00:05:08,760 --> 00:05:11,320 like that. We've got a shout out Kate Scott 107 00:05:11,320 --> 00:05:14,600 and Dermot who joined on Patreon, and a couple little 108 00:05:14,600 --> 00:05:17,560 secret watchers over on Apple Podcasts. 109 00:05:17,560 --> 00:05:22,280 We don't know who you are, but you're in your high rise with 110 00:05:22,280 --> 00:05:24,280 the cameras. On Now Watching. 111 00:05:24,600 --> 00:05:25,200 Us. Oh my. 112 00:05:25,360 --> 00:05:27,880 God, look at us. I feel like Sharon Stone. 113 00:05:27,880 --> 00:05:29,520 Know what I'm doing right now? Open your legs. 114 00:05:29,520 --> 00:05:30,320 That's it? Yeah. 115 00:05:30,760 --> 00:05:36,080 Our latest episode on the Gay Trion is on House of Wax, and on 116 00:05:36,080 --> 00:05:38,840 our next episode we're giving people what they want. 117 00:05:39,200 --> 00:05:40,760 Christmas classic Batman Returns. 118 00:05:40,840 --> 00:05:44,680 Meow, meow, meow. Looking forward to that one. 119 00:05:44,800 --> 00:05:47,840 Yeah, that was our most one of our most requested Christmas 120 00:05:47,840 --> 00:05:52,080 movies, and we're doing the gay thing and putting it behind a 121 00:05:52,080 --> 00:05:56,640 paywall. Extra festive version, right? 122 00:05:56,720 --> 00:05:58,760 The extra festive version. Either the extra festive 123 00:05:58,760 --> 00:06:01,880 version. But will it get 10 Lizers like 124 00:06:01,880 --> 00:06:03,720 Batman and Robin? That's. 125 00:06:03,760 --> 00:06:07,160 That's the cliffhanger. We've had some little feedback, 126 00:06:07,520 --> 00:06:09,640 I think this is Danielle, but I forgot to write down who sent 127 00:06:09,640 --> 00:06:11,440 this so apologies if it's not Danielle. 128 00:06:11,440 --> 00:06:13,840 Listening to the Mortal Kombat episode and was thinking about 129 00:06:13,840 --> 00:06:16,880 how I watch Meet Me in Saint Louis as my Christmas movie 130 00:06:16,880 --> 00:06:18,880 every year while drinking bubbly. 131 00:06:19,160 --> 00:06:20,800 Sending it as a camp Christmas movie. 132 00:06:20,800 --> 00:06:23,160 Judy Garland and wigs You're you're. 133 00:06:23,480 --> 00:06:26,080 Well, I just think of Sex and the City with Jennifer Hudson. 134 00:06:26,360 --> 00:06:27,520 Because does she talk about that? 135 00:06:27,520 --> 00:06:29,080 Yeah, and it's like she's from Saint Louis. 136 00:06:29,080 --> 00:06:31,600 And then like, I think like Carrie buys her a DVD or 137 00:06:31,600 --> 00:06:33,000 something. Can she watches that over 138 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:34,200 Christmas? It's all a bit. 139 00:06:34,240 --> 00:06:36,200 I've never seen it, no. I've never seen it, so I've got 140 00:06:36,200 --> 00:06:37,080 absolutely. Nothing. 141 00:06:37,080 --> 00:06:38,800 Judy Garland and wigs sounds good. 142 00:06:38,800 --> 00:06:40,200 Sure. Actually, I take it back. 143 00:06:40,200 --> 00:06:42,080 Yeah. I'm going to watch it. 144 00:06:42,240 --> 00:06:44,440 I'm not going to commit to covering it, but I could use a 145 00:06:44,440 --> 00:06:46,360 new Christmas movie this year so OK, I'll do it. 146 00:06:46,880 --> 00:06:49,960 And also Jordan says I think you should do the family stone for 147 00:06:49,960 --> 00:06:52,840 Christmas so baby can try and redeem herself about the now 148 00:06:52,840 --> 00:06:57,360 deceased Diane Keaton. She's still dead. 149 00:06:57,520 --> 00:07:00,840 She's still dead, but maybe if you like family stone, you know. 150 00:07:01,080 --> 00:07:02,560 I actually really like that movie. 151 00:07:02,560 --> 00:07:06,160 Do you SJP plays a real? Uptight bitch. 152 00:07:06,200 --> 00:07:12,880 Yeah, I feel like it probably is Bad, bad, bad, bad bad, but in a 153 00:07:12,880 --> 00:07:14,960 fun way. Have you not seen it I. 154 00:07:14,960 --> 00:07:16,720 Have. It's just been a long time, 155 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:19,360 isn't? Rachel McAdams, isn't it? 156 00:07:19,360 --> 00:07:21,880 Who plays the lesbian? There is a lesbian, isn't there? 157 00:07:21,880 --> 00:07:25,040 No, this is pre lesbians. It's only gay men were allowed 158 00:07:25,040 --> 00:07:27,120 in movies. This. 159 00:07:27,280 --> 00:07:28,720 Yeah. There's like a gay brother 160 00:07:28,720 --> 00:07:29,640 maybe. I don't know. 161 00:07:30,080 --> 00:07:32,760 Yeah, I'm getting bored as we're even talking about it now. 162 00:07:33,280 --> 00:07:36,920 Anyway, Christmas is here. We wanted to do something real, 163 00:07:36,920 --> 00:07:39,920 fun and festive. And I'm not very, very happy 164 00:07:39,920 --> 00:07:41,360 about. That I can tell. 165 00:07:41,840 --> 00:07:45,560 I think it is really uncamped and quite frankly homophobic, 166 00:07:45,560 --> 00:07:50,680 transphobic that you are forcing us into doing Christmas movies 167 00:07:50,680 --> 00:07:54,040 on this podcast. How very fucking dare you. 168 00:07:56,160 --> 00:07:58,440 Like, there's nothing camp about Christmas. 169 00:07:58,720 --> 00:08:04,720 Although I do think the origin story of Jesus OK is actually 170 00:08:04,720 --> 00:08:07,240 quite calm, so I could be just sort of going against my very 171 00:08:07,240 --> 00:08:09,720 argument. What, like Immaculate 172 00:08:09,720 --> 00:08:12,520 Conception? So I'm thinking Mary might be a 173 00:08:12,520 --> 00:08:14,880 doll. Oh yeah. 174 00:08:15,040 --> 00:08:19,200 I think she's just like fuck genetics and she's got her baby. 175 00:08:19,440 --> 00:08:22,440 Oh, I just thought she was. She could be, she could be doing 176 00:08:22,440 --> 00:08:24,400 that. Well, she could be, but then 177 00:08:24,400 --> 00:08:28,480 obviously got a Three Kings and that's very like throuple vibes 178 00:08:28,480 --> 00:08:32,960 coming, presenting stuff in the barn that feels quite dirty and 179 00:08:32,960 --> 00:08:35,679 gay. I feel like Mary might be a 180 00:08:35,679 --> 00:08:38,480 beard for Joseph. Feeling like there's a bigger 181 00:08:38,480 --> 00:08:40,679 back story there. OK, yeah. 182 00:08:40,679 --> 00:08:42,320 So I do think there's something we can it. 183 00:08:42,320 --> 00:08:43,760 Why do you like Christmas though? 184 00:08:44,080 --> 00:08:46,400 I don't have an answer for that. I don't think I do. 185 00:08:46,440 --> 00:08:49,280 OK, so another great the reason why we're doing a Christmas 186 00:08:49,280 --> 00:08:50,640 movie. But we're not really. 187 00:08:50,640 --> 00:08:52,040 We are, but we're not, Well, you. 188 00:08:52,040 --> 00:08:55,160 Said it had to be explicitly be a Christmas movie because it's 189 00:08:55,160 --> 00:08:58,280 Christmas season. I do have a Christmas themed 190 00:08:58,280 --> 00:09:00,200 joke for you though. Oh, OK. 191 00:09:00,760 --> 00:09:04,160 Why was Jesus so popular with gay men? 192 00:09:04,520 --> 00:09:07,160 I don't know. Because he was hung like this. 193 00:09:08,320 --> 00:09:12,000 Oh God. I was, I made. 194 00:09:12,560 --> 00:09:15,520 A that's great for audio. Well, I guess now with visual 195 00:09:15,520 --> 00:09:17,760 it's great, yeah. We'll make sure to clip that one 196 00:09:17,760 --> 00:09:19,560 up. But I was thinking that maybe 197 00:09:19,560 --> 00:09:22,880 this could be a chance for me to just try and add a little bit of 198 00:09:23,200 --> 00:09:26,120 queer for frivolity to the situation. 199 00:09:26,120 --> 00:09:29,240 So I would like to launch a little quiz with you. 200 00:09:29,520 --> 00:09:35,360 Oh, and basically I was thinking with this quiz, how Christmassy, 201 00:09:35,360 --> 00:09:37,960 What can we do? There's lots to talk about at 202 00:09:37,960 --> 00:09:39,520 Christmas, lots of questions to ask. 203 00:09:39,720 --> 00:09:41,880 So obviously I went straight to porn. 204 00:09:42,680 --> 00:09:44,560 It really does make you feel very festive. 205 00:09:44,720 --> 00:09:49,000 In a game that I would like to know is is it porn or is it a 206 00:09:49,000 --> 00:09:50,920 lie? Basically, I'm going to give you 207 00:09:50,920 --> 00:09:54,600 some Christmas themed porn titles and I want you to tell me 208 00:09:54,600 --> 00:09:57,280 whether they are true or whether I've made them up. 209 00:09:57,280 --> 00:10:00,120 Crystal, this is really funny because I've seen you do this at 210 00:10:00,120 --> 00:10:02,680 a drag quiz before and I stole it. 211 00:10:02,760 --> 00:10:04,440 And I know you've. Still been doing it that 212 00:10:04,440 --> 00:10:06,680 brunches for the past like 5 years. 213 00:10:06,840 --> 00:10:08,960 I call it porn or Narn. Well, there you go. 214 00:10:08,960 --> 00:10:11,880 OK, but I know you stole it, so I actually done some new 215 00:10:11,880 --> 00:10:14,520 research just because I knew that you would already know. 216 00:10:14,520 --> 00:10:16,040 I'm ready. OK, We'll play at home. 217 00:10:16,040 --> 00:10:18,720 Listeners, this is an interactive section of the show. 218 00:10:18,720 --> 00:10:22,360 So all I want for Christmas is a gang bang. 219 00:10:22,440 --> 00:10:25,000 Relatable. Is that true or false? 220 00:10:25,040 --> 00:10:28,800 False. It's true 1994 This is a good 221 00:10:28,800 --> 00:10:31,080 one. The tits that saved Christmas. 222 00:10:32,960 --> 00:10:38,040 Big boob. No, it's true. 2003 and what 223 00:10:38,040 --> 00:10:41,320 tits they must be. Imagine some tits just coming 224 00:10:41,320 --> 00:10:44,440 and saving Christmas. I like imagining them like just 225 00:10:44,520 --> 00:10:48,240 to do disembodied tits like on a sleigh, just like visiting house 226 00:10:48,240 --> 00:10:50,520 to house. Miserable, broken families, 227 00:10:50,680 --> 00:10:53,000 Yeah. Finally, the tits are here. 228 00:10:54,200 --> 00:10:59,480 Frosty the blow man. That's false. 229 00:10:59,880 --> 00:11:02,600 Yeah, I made that one up. I was quite proud of that. 230 00:11:02,760 --> 00:11:03,160 That's. Good. 231 00:11:03,160 --> 00:11:05,120 It's good. I think on your original quiz 232 00:11:05,120 --> 00:11:07,840 there was Frosty the Snow Hoe. Yeah, which is true. 233 00:11:07,840 --> 00:11:10,160 Yeah. So she's a snow hoe, but she's 234 00:11:10,240 --> 00:11:15,360 she doesn't blow. Next up, also Frosty the blow 235 00:11:15,360 --> 00:11:16,440 man. It makes it sound like it's a 236 00:11:16,440 --> 00:11:18,360 coke thing too. Yeah, I know Coke. 237 00:11:18,360 --> 00:11:21,640 Well, you know, it's. Frosty and white white powder. 238 00:11:21,920 --> 00:11:24,960 And so that might be a hard hitting social drama instead of. 239 00:11:25,040 --> 00:11:28,080 Yeah, you're right. OK, Next up, I hope you're 240 00:11:28,080 --> 00:11:31,360 playing at home everyone. Ghost of Christmas ass. 241 00:11:33,360 --> 00:11:37,640 No way it's. True 2012 Ghost of Christmas 242 00:11:37,640 --> 00:11:41,120 ass. How the Grinch gaped Christmas. 243 00:11:44,240 --> 00:11:46,400 Now that's a Grinch movie I'd cover on this podcast. 244 00:11:46,640 --> 00:11:52,000 No, that's no way. That 2014 wait I'm creeping on 245 00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:53,760 your white. Was that a gay? 246 00:11:53,800 --> 00:11:56,200 Was that a gay title? Or do straight people gape? 247 00:11:56,560 --> 00:11:58,200 Well, I don't know if it's gay porn. 248 00:11:58,840 --> 00:12:00,720 Porn doesn't need to be. No, no, no, no. 249 00:12:00,720 --> 00:12:03,680 But do gaping. That's like a gaping hole, 250 00:12:03,680 --> 00:12:05,160 isn't? It yeah, do straight people do 251 00:12:05,160 --> 00:12:07,080 gaping. Well, they've got holes to gape. 252 00:12:07,080 --> 00:12:09,320 I know, but I just only I just. Didn't know. 253 00:12:10,360 --> 00:12:13,640 Next up, I'm creaming. I'm creaming on your white Xmas. 254 00:12:13,920 --> 00:12:17,360 Oh my God, I'm creaming on your white Xmas that. 255 00:12:17,680 --> 00:12:21,920 Doesn't even cream on your white Xmas. 256 00:12:22,920 --> 00:12:26,440 False True 2008 that. Doesn't even make sense. 257 00:12:26,440 --> 00:12:29,720 Next up, jiggle all the way. Jiggle, jiggle. 258 00:12:31,440 --> 00:12:32,840 Yeah, true. Correct. 259 00:12:32,840 --> 00:12:36,000 You got that. A few more left fistmas time. 260 00:12:36,560 --> 00:12:38,640 True, false. I made that up. 261 00:12:38,640 --> 00:12:42,120 OK, naughty or nice, she's getting it twice. 262 00:12:42,520 --> 00:12:46,040 That's. That's still on my quiz too. 263 00:12:46,080 --> 00:12:47,840 I can't remember though. True. 264 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:50,720 It's true. Yeah, 2008, a great year for 265 00:12:50,720 --> 00:12:54,480 Christmas pornography. Santa is coming all over. 266 00:12:54,480 --> 00:12:56,000 Town. I love that one. 267 00:12:56,080 --> 00:13:02,360 True. 1996 Classic True. Rudolph the Red Rosebud 268 00:13:02,520 --> 00:13:09,600 Reindeer. Yeah, but I loved it. 269 00:13:10,680 --> 00:13:13,800 Rudolph the One. I'm packing Scotland doing some 270 00:13:13,800 --> 00:13:16,040 brunches this weekend. I'm taking that one with me. 271 00:13:16,040 --> 00:13:19,680 And then the final one is spend Xmas in my ass. 272 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:22,200 That sounds wholesome. I'm going to say true. 273 00:13:22,280 --> 00:13:24,040 It is true, yeah. It's spacious. 274 00:13:24,080 --> 00:13:26,280 And that's an invitation to anybody that would like to spend 275 00:13:26,280 --> 00:13:29,360 Christmas in my ass. And that is the end of my 276 00:13:29,360 --> 00:13:31,680 pornography Christmas quiz, everyone. 277 00:13:31,680 --> 00:13:36,280 I think I lost and one. I think say to Don listeners as 278 00:13:36,280 --> 00:13:37,520 well. And you know what? 279 00:13:37,520 --> 00:13:39,480 Naughty or nice, we're getting it twice. 280 00:13:39,520 --> 00:13:41,360 We are. Well now I just need to go home 281 00:13:41,360 --> 00:13:43,320 and find out about straight gaping. 282 00:13:43,360 --> 00:13:45,320 I thought you were just going to go, well now I just need to go 283 00:13:45,320 --> 00:13:47,280 home and fuck. I thought that's why I was like, 284 00:13:47,280 --> 00:13:52,320 OK, calm down. Time to get out my 96 copy of 285 00:13:53,120 --> 00:13:56,320 Frosty the Snow Ho yes? The extra festive version. 286 00:13:56,480 --> 00:13:58,680 Thank you for that quiz, baby. But before we go any further, 287 00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:01,760 what makes a Camp classic? Well, a camp classic is 288 00:14:01,760 --> 00:14:03,720 something that should unlock queer joy. 289 00:14:04,000 --> 00:14:07,000 In the words of Megan Fox. I want to get a wedding. 290 00:14:07,960 --> 00:14:09,880 Yeah, Like, it's not just like pre come. 291 00:14:09,880 --> 00:14:12,440 It's like full jizz explosion from this. 292 00:14:13,240 --> 00:14:15,240 It needs to be stupid. We don't want anything that's 293 00:14:15,240 --> 00:14:18,400 taking itself too seriously. It also needs to have an ongoing 294 00:14:18,400 --> 00:14:21,000 legacy and inform queer pop culture. 295 00:14:21,400 --> 00:14:23,720 Ideally, the film should be anti mainstream. 296 00:14:23,720 --> 00:14:27,680 That's underdog flop vibes that's reclaimed by the F slurs. 297 00:14:29,400 --> 00:14:31,680 And we'll be the judge of that, won't we? 298 00:14:31,680 --> 00:14:33,800 These two F slurs. Yeah, certainly. 299 00:14:33,800 --> 00:14:36,080 Unqualified, but very opinionated. 300 00:14:36,080 --> 00:14:41,120 Yeah, and very F. Very F some might say 2F Yes, 301 00:14:41,800 --> 00:14:43,240 some have. And some will. 302 00:14:43,280 --> 00:14:46,520 Some will continue to. Today we are covering 1984's 303 00:14:46,680 --> 00:14:50,440 Gremlins, one of the Christmas movies that I think we both can 304 00:14:50,440 --> 00:14:53,000 tolerate and can bear to talk about. 305 00:14:53,400 --> 00:14:55,760 I think I think you were right about something about Christmas, 306 00:14:55,760 --> 00:14:59,320 which is that it's not a very queer time of year. 307 00:14:59,840 --> 00:15:02,640 It's when we all have to get in our back, in our little straight 308 00:15:02,640 --> 00:15:05,360 boxes. And so we're going to do a 309 00:15:05,360 --> 00:15:06,800 Christmas movie. Like, let's have something 310 00:15:06,800 --> 00:15:08,920 that's a bit, yeah, a bit weird. Yeah. 311 00:15:09,320 --> 00:15:11,440 A bit different, a bit a bit kooky. 312 00:15:11,600 --> 00:15:13,760 Kooky. So we're covering gremlins. 313 00:15:13,960 --> 00:15:15,640 You ready to be festive for Christmas? 314 00:15:15,880 --> 00:15:19,360 Here's the context. It was directed by Joe Dante, 315 00:15:19,440 --> 00:15:21,920 who's like a prolific B movie director. 316 00:15:22,440 --> 00:15:24,440 This was his probably biggest movie. 317 00:15:24,440 --> 00:15:27,800 This in Gremlins too. Written by Chris Columbus, who 318 00:15:27,800 --> 00:15:31,400 went on to direct Home Alone, Mrs. Doubtfire Adventures and 319 00:15:31,400 --> 00:15:34,040 Babysitting and two Harry Potter movies. 320 00:15:34,400 --> 00:15:38,440 Yeah, that's so upsetting. This script was written as a 321 00:15:38,440 --> 00:15:41,000 demo script essentially. It was never intended to be 322 00:15:41,000 --> 00:15:42,480 made. Oh, that's interesting. 323 00:15:42,520 --> 00:15:46,800 Found its way to Steven Spielberg, who loved it and he 324 00:15:46,800 --> 00:15:50,560 was currently working on ET and he was like more puppets. 325 00:15:52,280 --> 00:15:54,480 And so he had executive produced this movie. 326 00:15:55,880 --> 00:15:59,400 It stars Zach Galligan, who exactly? 327 00:15:59,400 --> 00:16:01,280 This is probably his biggest movie. 328 00:16:01,840 --> 00:16:04,720 Phoebe Cates. She's done some. 329 00:16:04,720 --> 00:16:06,320 Bits. She's done some bits. 330 00:16:06,320 --> 00:16:09,880 She was a name at the time Fast Times at Ridgemont High. 331 00:16:09,880 --> 00:16:15,240 And another one can't remember. Hoyt Axton, that's the dad. 332 00:16:15,680 --> 00:16:18,960 Polly Holiday, that's the old mean lady. 333 00:16:19,040 --> 00:16:20,760 And Frances Lee McCain. Who's the mum? 334 00:16:21,640 --> 00:16:23,640 The voice of Mogwai. Yes. 335 00:16:23,640 --> 00:16:26,040 Howie Mandel. Oh, isn't that weird? 336 00:16:26,040 --> 00:16:27,720 Is that from like America's Got Talent? 337 00:16:27,720 --> 00:16:29,800 Yes. Oh, OK. 338 00:16:29,880 --> 00:16:31,080 Yeah. I don't know how I feel about 339 00:16:31,080 --> 00:16:32,520 that. I don't kind of want to know who 340 00:16:32,520 --> 00:16:35,960 the voice of Gizmo is. Yeah, now he's just like a bald 341 00:16:35,960 --> 00:16:37,280 old man. It's like. 342 00:16:37,520 --> 00:16:39,720 Like thumping on a table, telling people they're they've 343 00:16:39,720 --> 00:16:41,880 got what it takes. Don't like it? 344 00:16:42,720 --> 00:16:45,600 That's so upsetting. The special effects and puppetry 345 00:16:45,600 --> 00:16:50,640 was by Chris Wallace who went on to win an Oscar for the Fly. 346 00:16:51,720 --> 00:16:53,960 Did the effects on the fly? He hasn't really worked since 347 00:16:53,960 --> 00:16:55,520 the 90s. Oh. 348 00:16:55,640 --> 00:16:59,000 Yeah, but he had done quite a few like fuel sounding B movies. 349 00:16:59,360 --> 00:17:04,839 It was made on an $11 million budget, which is very small, and 350 00:17:04,839 --> 00:17:09,280 it was released on June 8th of 1984, which is the same day as 351 00:17:09,520 --> 00:17:11,920 Ghostbusters. That's interesting to me. 352 00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:15,000 Yeah, they're kind of in a world together, aren't they? 353 00:17:15,000 --> 00:17:19,400 Which one came out top? Ghostbusters, oh Ghostbusters I 354 00:17:19,400 --> 00:17:22,319 think was the first or second highest grossing movie of the 355 00:17:22,319 --> 00:17:23,960 year that year, and Gremlins was fourth. 356 00:17:24,160 --> 00:17:26,200 It also surprised me how old this movie is. 357 00:17:27,280 --> 00:17:30,560 Like watching it back it doesn't seem as old as it is. 358 00:17:30,560 --> 00:17:32,480 I mean it's really fucking ancient isn't it? 359 00:17:32,480 --> 00:17:34,160 It's like 40 years old. Yeah, you're right. 360 00:17:34,480 --> 00:17:36,880 That's really old. Yeah, because it actually came 361 00:17:36,880 --> 00:17:39,800 out the year I was born. So that's fucking depressing. 362 00:17:39,800 --> 00:17:42,520 Really old. It's like disgracefully old. 363 00:17:42,720 --> 00:17:44,920 It's like disgusting. Like why are we even? 364 00:17:45,160 --> 00:17:47,960 Why are we even mentioning this? Why is it even in pop culture? 365 00:17:47,960 --> 00:17:49,320 It's gross. Let me know when you're 366 00:17:49,320 --> 00:17:52,880 finished. Ended up being a huge hit. 367 00:17:53,200 --> 00:17:57,320 It took $212 million worldwide and was the 4th biggest movie of 368 00:17:57,320 --> 00:18:01,800 the year. And I think this is a camp clue. 369 00:18:02,720 --> 00:18:05,760 Basically, this was the movie was released before the PG13 370 00:18:05,760 --> 00:18:08,480 rating was there. So things were either PG or 371 00:18:08,480 --> 00:18:11,240 restricted. And the production company and 372 00:18:11,240 --> 00:18:12,920 studio didn't really know how to market this. 373 00:18:12,920 --> 00:18:16,880 So that some of the marketing was very kid friendly and they 374 00:18:16,880 --> 00:18:21,360 didn't really lean in to the horror elements of this movie. 375 00:18:21,520 --> 00:18:24,240 And so a lot of parents took their kids to see this movie, 376 00:18:24,240 --> 00:18:27,920 and a lot of them were really young and there were a lot of 377 00:18:27,920 --> 00:18:31,320 complaints. And this movie ended up creating 378 00:18:31,320 --> 00:18:34,600 a new rating called PG13. That is very camp. 379 00:18:34,680 --> 00:18:35,560 Very. Yeah. 380 00:18:35,600 --> 00:18:37,840 Traumatizing children. I fully appreciate that. 381 00:18:38,280 --> 00:18:41,760 I also apparently this movie was how a lot of children found out 382 00:18:41,760 --> 00:18:44,880 that Santa Claus wasn't real. Yes, from the the speech which 383 00:18:44,880 --> 00:18:47,120 we'll be getting to it, which again, like of all the things 384 00:18:47,120 --> 00:18:49,440 this movie does like. Yeah, yeah. 385 00:18:49,520 --> 00:18:51,480 So that's quite camp traumatizing children. 386 00:18:52,120 --> 00:18:54,120 Take There we go. I think we're done for the time 387 00:18:54,120 --> 00:18:56,240 just to have a sip of my beer, we're done. 388 00:18:56,840 --> 00:18:59,720 And there we go guys. It's time for me to get in bed. 389 00:18:59,960 --> 00:19:03,520 It obviously went on to have a sequel, Gremlins 2, which was 390 00:19:03,520 --> 00:19:06,160 released in 1990, which was not a commercial success. 391 00:19:06,400 --> 00:19:07,680 And there's a. New one on it. 392 00:19:07,720 --> 00:19:10,080 And there's a new one on the way, coming out year after next, 393 00:19:10,080 --> 00:19:13,640 I think. I think that's it. 394 00:19:13,640 --> 00:19:15,200 For context, what's your history with the movie? 395 00:19:15,800 --> 00:19:18,320 Like I, I kind of remember growing up with it, but like, 396 00:19:18,320 --> 00:19:20,600 it's not, it's not been something that I'm like, Oh my 397 00:19:20,600 --> 00:19:22,080 God, every year I watch Gremlins. 398 00:19:22,080 --> 00:19:24,000 It's just it's always been around, hasn't it? 399 00:19:24,920 --> 00:19:25,760 Yeah. What about you? 400 00:19:26,040 --> 00:19:27,560 I don't think I watched it as a kid. 401 00:19:27,560 --> 00:19:30,360 Or I was it too scary for you? I think it was. 402 00:19:30,640 --> 00:19:34,040 I think I remember either seeing it and like when it started to 403 00:19:34,040 --> 00:19:35,120 get scary, I was like what the heck? 404 00:19:35,120 --> 00:19:38,200 Nope. Or or I'd never even saw it that 405 00:19:38,200 --> 00:19:40,800 far and I just put it in a box with child's play. 406 00:19:41,240 --> 00:19:43,560 Yeah. Which is scarier, right? 407 00:19:43,560 --> 00:19:45,280 I haven't seen that in a really long time either. 408 00:19:46,120 --> 00:19:48,840 I mean, sure. But it's not it doesn't have the 409 00:19:48,840 --> 00:19:50,280 goofiness, right? Child's play it. 410 00:19:50,280 --> 00:19:52,680 Kind. Of does, yeah, OK. 411 00:19:52,840 --> 00:19:55,360 Also, it does take a lot to scare me. 412 00:19:55,440 --> 00:19:59,000 Yeah, life is scary enough. Well, I let the record say that 413 00:19:59,000 --> 00:20:01,520 I do not find gremlins scary, but as as a. 414 00:20:01,520 --> 00:20:02,840 Child, I thought. Well done I. 415 00:20:02,840 --> 00:20:07,560 Think I thought it was more horror than clearly is. 416 00:20:07,560 --> 00:20:08,720 Yeah. I don't think I watched it until 417 00:20:08,720 --> 00:20:10,480 I was an adult and then I haven't seen it since. 418 00:20:10,760 --> 00:20:12,720 So I was going into a pretty fresh. 419 00:20:12,720 --> 00:20:14,280 I couldn't remember any of the plot. 420 00:20:14,360 --> 00:20:16,400 No, neither could I and I. Couldn't even really remember 421 00:20:16,400 --> 00:20:19,640 the rules about gremlins or anything so get into the plot. 422 00:20:19,640 --> 00:20:23,240 Let's go for it. OK, so we meet struggling 423 00:20:23,240 --> 00:20:27,320 inventor Randall Peltzer, who visits A Chinatown antique store 424 00:20:27,320 --> 00:20:30,080 to find a Christmas present for his son Billy. 425 00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:34,000 Randall is a shit inventor and none of his stuff works. 426 00:20:34,480 --> 00:20:36,840 While in the shop, Randall uncovers a small and furry 427 00:20:36,840 --> 00:20:40,920 creature called a Mug Y. The owner, Mr. Wing, refuses to 428 00:20:40,920 --> 00:20:44,320 sell it to Randall. It's singing, it sounds cute. 429 00:20:44,320 --> 00:20:45,440 It's like what? Is it? 430 00:20:45,560 --> 00:20:49,120 Yeah, woke alert. But the orientalism of this 431 00:20:49,120 --> 00:20:52,600 scene? Oh, sorry to Michael Bellinson. 432 00:20:52,600 --> 00:20:55,360 Yeah, if this is who woke, but go ahead Crystal. 433 00:20:55,480 --> 00:20:58,720 Yeah, just, I mean, the the man who runs the shop, is it just a 434 00:20:58,720 --> 00:21:02,360 caricature of American ideas about Chinese people? 435 00:21:02,440 --> 00:21:05,600 I think and it's he's one of two people of colour in this whole 436 00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:08,160 movie and he's a basically a racist stereotype. 437 00:21:08,560 --> 00:21:14,120 But imagine the exotic things you could get from the far off 438 00:21:14,120 --> 00:21:16,800 reaches. You just pull back a curtain in 439 00:21:16,800 --> 00:21:21,400 your local Chinese supermarket. Oh, what exotic things lurk 440 00:21:21,400 --> 00:21:23,360 beneath. Yeah, it's very like Monkey's 441 00:21:23,360 --> 00:21:26,880 Paw, isn't it? But yeah, he refuses to sell the 442 00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:31,880 Mogwai to Randall, but his grandson secretly does, and he 443 00:21:31,880 --> 00:21:35,160 warns Randall to remember 3 important rules concerning its 444 00:21:35,160 --> 00:21:37,400 care. Keep the creature away from 445 00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:39,640 light, especially sunlight, which will kill it. 446 00:21:40,120 --> 00:21:42,280 Do not let it come in contact with water. 447 00:21:42,680 --> 00:21:45,120 And above all, never let it eat after midnight. 448 00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:50,920 Don't let him get wet. We'll get to all of that. 449 00:21:51,320 --> 00:21:54,240 So then we go to Randall's hometown of Kingston Falls, 450 00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:58,200 where we meet Billy, who works at the local bank with his love 451 00:21:58,200 --> 00:22:03,520 interest Kate. And yeah, he's just like a kind 452 00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:06,120 of All American boy. Isn't he boy? 453 00:22:06,120 --> 00:22:08,280 How old is he? He looks fucking old to me. 454 00:22:08,280 --> 00:22:10,520 It's unclear. And also this idea that he has 455 00:22:10,520 --> 00:22:13,520 to buy this present is like, what the fuck's going on? 456 00:22:13,520 --> 00:22:15,640 He's like. For my adult son who lives in my 457 00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:17,720 attic. Yeah, it's like, and you're 458 00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:19,760 struggling. This is what I hate about 459 00:22:19,760 --> 00:22:23,160 Christmas, the capitalistic elements of it. 460 00:22:23,360 --> 00:22:25,520 So what, you're already, you already can't pay your bills. 461 00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:26,760 You're probably going to lose your house. 462 00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:29,520 Your job's flopping. Oh no, but I need to spend 2. 463 00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:32,480 $100 on a present pet without consulting my wife. 464 00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:34,840 Yeah, I'm just going to bring this animal into the house. 465 00:22:34,920 --> 00:22:38,200 And we know what happens, yeah. Yeah, Billy was apparently 466 00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:40,120 originally meant to be like a 10 year old boy. 467 00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:42,000 That would make a lot more sense. 468 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:44,680 And so you can tell that like some of the plot elements, they 469 00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:48,560 just didn't update, such as I need to buy this present for my 470 00:22:48,560 --> 00:22:51,560 son, which sounds like a 10 year thing you're doing. 471 00:22:51,560 --> 00:22:55,160 Also a lot more now you've said that is very like, oh daddy, 472 00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:57,120 it's very like. Yeah, it's very weird. 473 00:22:57,320 --> 00:22:59,840 So they just didn't. They were like, let's put an 474 00:22:59,840 --> 00:23:01,880 older person in it and give him a love interest and that'll 475 00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:02,960 make. That would be. 476 00:23:03,360 --> 00:23:05,800 That will make loads of sense. Yeah, but they didn't change 477 00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:09,240 things up. We also meet the widowed miser, 478 00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:12,760 Mrs. Deagle. Love, love, love. 479 00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:16,320 She's like a Lady Scrooge. Oh yeah, mixed in with a bit of 480 00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:19,800 Wicked Witch of the. Oh yeah, the original one, yeah. 481 00:23:21,080 --> 00:23:22,760 Yeah, What is her name? Oh, the one that's. 482 00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:24,400 Yeah, she's riding a bike. I get you. 483 00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:26,680 And you're pretty dad too, that. Way you're right, it's exactly 484 00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:29,840 that because she also threatens to kill Billy's dog. 485 00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:32,040 By putting him in the spin dryer, which again. 486 00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:34,800 Maybe I'll put him in the spin dryer on high heat. 487 00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:35,760 Love her. Yeah. 488 00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:38,880 I mean, I don't know how I feel about dog violence, but it's if 489 00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:41,160 you're going to do it, you might as well do it in that. 490 00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:43,320 This is the first hint in the movie that like. 491 00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:45,480 This. Weird stuff is going to kind of 492 00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:47,640 happen. Like, she just really comes out, 493 00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:51,280 she says multiple ways she's going to kill that dog and. 494 00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:53,480 Yeah, she, yeah, she's like, that will do it. 495 00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:56,320 Yeah. She is also just kind of like a 496 00:23:56,320 --> 00:23:58,280 wonderful example of a Karen as well. 497 00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:02,160 She's complaining about her heart issues and just she goes 498 00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:05,680 into that like white. Woman tears very quickly. 499 00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:07,320 Instantly. You're right, she's just 500 00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:11,560 weaponizing her own whiteness. Camp. 501 00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:14,840 Do do you want to hear something depressing though? 502 00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:18,040 Oh, go on. Actress who plays she dead? 503 00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:20,640 No. Oh OK, guess how old she is. 504 00:24:21,360 --> 00:24:24,720 God, Oh my God, what? So like the old woman in the 505 00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:27,280 film? Old like that? 506 00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:32,040 She's old woman. Yeah, with the grey band. 507 00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:37,840 OK, She should be her 60, No 59. She should be 59. 508 00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:39,040 Yeah. She's 46. 509 00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:42,240 I'll let you sit with that. Oh shit. 510 00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:46,040 Billy's father comes home and gives him the Mogwai, which he 511 00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:50,320 has renamed Gizmo. He informs Billy of the rules. 512 00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:54,200 What do you think about Gizmo? Like sorry if this like really 513 00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:56,240 cute. Oh wow, do you know what? 514 00:24:56,400 --> 00:25:01,040 Yeah, you find him annoying. No, I live for gives way. 515 00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:03,400 That's so weird. I love how I'm like, so 516 00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:05,400 unpredictable for you. You think you've got me? 517 00:25:06,120 --> 00:25:08,920 No, I'm genuinely in. I'm like a little quiet. 518 00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:11,480 I think he's quite annoying. I like when he gets tortured. 519 00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:17,960 Oh, oh, oh, OK, now I'm. I'm very in love with Gizmo. 520 00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:19,120 I'm like what? He is. 521 00:25:19,120 --> 00:25:23,320 Cute he is, so now it's that guy making the noises on less like. 522 00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:26,640 Oh, so you're in love with Howie Mandel? 523 00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:29,640 Yeah, yeah, I am you. Want Howie Mandel to make baby 524 00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:30,440 noises at? You. 525 00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:31,440 Yes, I do. MMM. 526 00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:35,840 Goo goo Gaga gab. Billy's friend Pete comes over, 527 00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:38,960 which again another thing is like Billy's best friend is a 10 528 00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:40,600 year old boy. Why didn't? 529 00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:44,040 Why? Can't they age that guy up? 530 00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:47,800 Yeah, because it's. It's so weird. 531 00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:49,280 Yeah. OK, yeah. 532 00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:51,440 Carrie continue. That's Corey Feldman. 533 00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:53,320 RIP. Oh yeah, maybe. 534 00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:55,320 Oh, I don't know. Can't remember one of the core 535 00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:56,440 1. Of those, isn't it? 536 00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:58,920 Yeah. But yeah, Pete comes over and 537 00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:02,800 accidentally spills water on Gizmo, which causes five more 538 00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:07,560 Mogwai to spawn from him. Now can I just say we are how? 539 00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:10,320 How long have they had this creature for? 540 00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:13,680 A day. Not even a day right and already 541 00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:18,840 and already the abuse this film is about animal abuse and like 542 00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:22,360 the RSPCA need to be involved because it's like the things 543 00:26:22,360 --> 00:26:24,080 that they do to this poor fucking gizmo. 544 00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:26,880 And it's like from the get go, it's like water is really it's 545 00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:29,400 really important. And also before that they've 546 00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:31,800 like taken a picture of it and the light has set. 547 00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:34,480 It's literally like they are torturing this animal and they 548 00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:36,000 shouldn't be allowed to have the animal. 549 00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:39,400 But the squeals Gizmo when he gets wet. 550 00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:41,360 Recognize those? Did you Crystal? 551 00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:44,040 I don't, I don't know, it was like I liked how much they 552 00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:46,000 leave. Them like that when you get wet. 553 00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:52,160 No, but those those balls spreading off his back did 554 00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:54,960 remind me of something that you can only hear about on the gay 555 00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:57,560 tree on episode. Oh. 556 00:26:58,000 --> 00:26:59,600 Yeah, I don't know. I just kind of liked that they 557 00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:02,760 were like, see this thing that's really cute. 558 00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:06,440 Now it's going to be an excruciating pain and we're 559 00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:09,160 going to shoot it like, I don't know when. 560 00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:10,680 This movie's weird. It's it's. 561 00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:13,680 Yeah, it's a good moment on like Gizmo is just like abused. 562 00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:18,240 Yeah, Yeah, by his owners and by well, never actually this. 563 00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:20,800 Actually, this is another camp clue because I don't know the 564 00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:22,440 gender of Gizmo. That's true. 565 00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:26,200 But I appreciate that we have this creature with non gender 566 00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:29,200 specific parenting spawning children. 567 00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:32,280 That's true. So I just like how how non 568 00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:36,920 binary of it all just like yes. Nothing says trans inclusion 569 00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:39,400 like sprouting your offspring out of your back. 570 00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:41,840 Yeah, yeah, I love that. Yeah. 571 00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:45,800 So the the mug why kind of grow in little furry bubbles off his 572 00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:50,640 back and then they like expand really fast and turn into more 573 00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:54,320 mug way and it's gross. The way they yeah, the little 574 00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:56,280 fur balls. Yeah, because they're kind of 575 00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:57,640 like they're it's. The circle of life. 576 00:27:57,640 --> 00:27:59,960 You know, but they're kind of wet as well. 577 00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:03,280 Yeah, but they're cute as well. They're cute, but it's gross. 578 00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:06,000 I kind of didn't mind them, yeah. 579 00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:09,640 When they're like, it's like how a baby bird, when it first 580 00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:12,080 hatches, it's like all its feathers are wet and it's like. 581 00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:15,480 I just think, you know, the miracle of life is a beautiful 582 00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:17,080 thing that we should all be celebrating. 583 00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:20,920 All right, pipe down. Anyway, these new mugwai are 584 00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:25,560 more mischievous sort, led by an aggressive leader called Stripe. 585 00:28:26,360 --> 00:28:28,320 They then string up the dog with Christmas lights. 586 00:28:29,120 --> 00:28:30,200 I thought the dog was going to be dead. 587 00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:32,680 Yeah. So in the early in the first 588 00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:35,960 draft of the script that it was much more violent and the dog 589 00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:38,240 was going to get eaten. Oh, by the gremlins. 590 00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:39,720 Oh, fair play. Yeah. 591 00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:41,080 Yeah. Because I guess there it just 592 00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:43,000 kind of like pace itself with the violence. 593 00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:45,880 It hits hints at it, but it's still quite, it's quite sort of 594 00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:48,040 sweetie, sweetie at this point, isn't it? 595 00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:50,200 Yeah. Because that would have been a 596 00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:51,920 good, like, horror movie trope, wouldn't it? 597 00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:53,480 Like, oh, the dog has gone missing. 598 00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:57,200 Yeah, you know, but that's just much more. 599 00:28:57,240 --> 00:29:01,720 It's more horror, less family. Billy takes one of the Mogwai to 600 00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:05,440 his former school science teacher, Roy. 601 00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:08,440 And again, I guess this is an example of like they didn't know 602 00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:11,640 what they're like. So like, it's it's my former 603 00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:13,280 teacher rather than my current one. 604 00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:15,560 Yeah. And again now, now, Q, we're 605 00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:19,520 going to put this poor creature through extensive tests in a 606 00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:24,080 small cave. Like have you checked the make 607 00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:27,480 of all of your cosmetics? Yes, and they are tested on 608 00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:29,440 animals and that's how I like it. 609 00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:33,800 Crystal, I want to know how a rabbit has reacted to my liquid 610 00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:36,360 gel liner. Well, you just think about Gizmo 611 00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:40,080 next. Time and they look beat there's 612 00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:42,160 a side note here. We'd missed this, but I just, I 613 00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:46,760 really enjoyed the pointless shot of him making orange juice. 614 00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:49,160 Yes. And it sort of dribbles out the 615 00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:51,400 hole. And I just thought, I just 616 00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:54,600 thought gay pride. I was like, that is an anus 617 00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:56,680 leaking from a busy Pride weekend. 618 00:29:56,680 --> 00:30:00,880 Oh my God, one of your 5A day. Yeah, right. 619 00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:07,480 Yeah, there's quite a few inventions that sparked. 620 00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:10,040 Yeah, I didn't link it. I didn't link it to the dad 621 00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:12,120 being an inventor, but that makes way more sense. 622 00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:14,400 I just thought, just thought, OK. 623 00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:16,880 They're constantly using inventions in this house that 624 00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:18,360 don't work. Well, I thought it's the 80s. 625 00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:20,960 I don't know what these gadgets are, these gizmos. 626 00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:24,000 The whole thing, The house is littered with his bad 627 00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:25,640 inventions. There's the egg. 628 00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:27,600 There's the egg. Now you're saying that there's 629 00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:29,560 the egg. Cracker and then the mum has to 630 00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:32,520 make coffee later and it comes out like black sludge. 631 00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:35,240 Now it makes sense. Yeah, I just thought it was the 632 00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:37,000 80s and that's just how things ran. 633 00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:40,280 I hate the dad. Oh yeah, it's just irrelevant to 634 00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:43,840 me. Just like a perfect example of, 635 00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:47,160 I don't know, everything wrong with like that the masculinity 636 00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:48,760 of that era. How old do you think he is? 637 00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:53,560 Oh God, 35. He's a dumb dumb who's like 638 00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:58,680 making his family's life hell and suffers no consequences and 639 00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:01,440 doesn't learn a single lesson and his wife and son are both 640 00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:05,440 like we love you anyway dad despite you ruining our fucking 641 00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:08,000 lives. Well, if there was a Christmas 642 00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:11,600 Truer Christmas message, I believe that would be it. 643 00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:15,200 Yeah, OK, so then Billy goes to a bar where his crush Kate 644 00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:19,720 works. Now Kate hates Christmas, but we 645 00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:23,480 don't know why yet. I don't think anybody would 646 00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:25,800 guess no Why No, she hates Christmas. 647 00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:28,880 It will surprise you. We get a baffling scene with the 648 00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:32,760 local drunk slash neighbor who goes on a big, long, racist, 649 00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:36,280 xenophobic tirade about gremlins and imported goods. 650 00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:39,400 He hates foreign things. It's unclear what the movie 651 00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:41,400 thinks about him. Do you know what I mean? 652 00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:44,280 Yeah, whether it because he's kind of right with what's going 653 00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:47,160 to happen. So are we supporting that 654 00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:48,520 message? Yeah. 655 00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:51,040 It's a bigger conversation for later. 656 00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:56,480 And then back home, Stripe and his fellow Mogwai trick Billy 657 00:31:56,480 --> 00:32:01,000 into feeding them after midnight by sabotaging his bedside clock. 658 00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:06,360 This is where I really realized that I believe gremlins are baby 659 00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:10,920 drag Queens. And because, you know, the way 660 00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:14,720 that like, you birth them and then they like kind of, you 661 00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:16,960 know, and they're a bit messy. They're a bit like, oh, you 662 00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:19,200 forgive them, but you know, they're kind of like in the 663 00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:21,520 dressing room. But then they start to kind of 664 00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:24,680 turn like demonic and they come for you. 665 00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:28,400 So I kind of saw myself as Gizmo in the bed while they're eating 666 00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:31,400 chicken. I was just being quiet, like 667 00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:33,280 watching the film. Oh, I'm all right. 668 00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:36,440 I don't want any of that. Well, they're all like munching 669 00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:38,520 away. And I was like, fucking hell, I 670 00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:40,880 see it. They're like that drag queen 671 00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:43,440 who's not on the booking but is somehow in the dressing room 672 00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:45,520 anyway. Taking up all of the space. 673 00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:47,640 Taking all the drugs. Yes, everything is. 674 00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:50,360 Probably going to be sick in a corner, get chucked out without 675 00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:54,080 their shoes on. They're they're like 676 00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:58,000 simultaneously great value, but also incredibly annoying. 677 00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:00,800 You're like, I kind of want you to be here, but I also. 678 00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:03,400 And ultimately, if you stay in their presence for too long, 679 00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:06,520 they will try to kill you. Yeah, yeah, push you down the 680 00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:08,400 stairs. Yeah, so I feel, I feel seen in 681 00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:11,000 that. I'm so fucking Gizmo. 682 00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:13,880 I'm just sat not talking to anyone, having a nice time. 683 00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:15,800 I don't. You're alone, unbothered, 684 00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:21,360 moisturizing, flourishing. You are the gremlin. 685 00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:25,200 I won't. I've never heard you just did 686 00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:27,640 you just try and describe yourself as cute and cuddly and 687 00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:28,840 like. Just demure. 688 00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:33,280 No strong opinions. No. 689 00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:36,920 Just everyone loves me of a good time. 690 00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:40,240 Good time gal. You know, singing along, 691 00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:46,840 watching my movies. You are the demon drag queen, so 692 00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:49,520 the they've eaten after a minute, so they form cocoons 693 00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:53,120 which soon hatch. I like these cocoons. 694 00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:55,840 Yeah, it's gross, isn't it? Yeah, they're like kind of grey 695 00:33:56,160 --> 00:34:00,560 ball sacks. Yeah, it's the alien egg sack, 696 00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:01,520 isn't it? Basically. 697 00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:07,600 But they hatch and emerge as destructive and reptilian 698 00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:09,880 implike monsters called gremlins. 699 00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:13,400 The science teacher Hansen is murdered by his gremlin. 700 00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:16,960 This is another example of them toning down the script to film. 701 00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:19,120 He was supposed to be murdered with loads of needles in his 702 00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:21,760 face. Which I think would be great 703 00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:24,159 because of what he's done to that poor creature. 704 00:34:24,199 --> 00:34:25,719 Yeah, would have been good. Brilliant. 705 00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:29,920 And the ones at the house torture gizmo on a dartboard. 706 00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:32,760 I suppose you were into that. That was your kink, wasn't it? 707 00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:37,199 I just think it's kind of yeah, gooning at it. 708 00:34:39,199 --> 00:34:41,639 Just think it's funny the juxtaposition of that cute 709 00:34:41,639 --> 00:34:43,920 little thing being kind of tormented. 710 00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:46,880 Apparently that puppet was so annoying to work with the 711 00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:51,360 animatronics and it was always breaking down that the cast and 712 00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:54,080 crew on set made a list of things they wanted to do to 713 00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:57,080 Gizmo and the most horrible things were the ones that got 714 00:34:57,080 --> 00:35:00,440 put in the movie because they were also annoyed by the puppet. 715 00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:04,960 Then the gremlins assault Billy's mother Lynn, who kills 3 716 00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:07,440 gremlins in the kitchen. Spectacular. 717 00:35:07,720 --> 00:35:09,680 A kitchen massacre. A kitchen massacre. 718 00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:12,520 Like we've gone into full on horror genre. 719 00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:15,080 Yeah, now. And she's like shoving them in 720 00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:19,120 the food blender, blending them. She's microwaving one of them. 721 00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:24,080 She stabs one like 50 times. Yeah, the microwave explosion. 722 00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:28,480 I'd imagine because like even with the evil gremlins kind of 723 00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:31,280 hatching from their shelves, if you're taking your kids to see 724 00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:33,680 this, you know, a bit like cover your eyes this. 725 00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:36,720 But we are actually getting into something that where we are 726 00:35:36,720 --> 00:35:40,200 murdering these creatures. Yeah, yeah, it's great. 727 00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:42,080 They look so gross when they die. 728 00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:47,120 They like spurt green goo. It's grim and she's like going 729 00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:48,640 through. It she's a final girl, she's 730 00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:51,840 absolutely. She then grabs 2 knives and 731 00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:53,120 she's like walking through the house with two knives. 732 00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:55,160 I just like her like gutsiness with it. 733 00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:58,120 She doesn't hesitate to just slaughter them. 734 00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:01,480 Well, if you can kill them, I think you need to really fucking 735 00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:03,120 kill them. This is my thing with any horror 736 00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:04,840 film. If like someone was trying to 737 00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:07,640 kill me, I wouldn't just go for one stab. 738 00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:10,280 I get a baseball. Bat got a shoot of them in the 739 00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:10,920 head. No, I've we. 740 00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:12,840 Learned that from I've crushed their skull in. 741 00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:15,200 I just keep on going. Learn that from House of Wax. 742 00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:18,120 Yeah, but just keep on smashing everything in. 743 00:36:18,720 --> 00:36:23,520 Pour things on it, like put put heat up some oil, pour the oil 744 00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:29,040 in, like smash up some glass, Chuck it on them, jump up and 745 00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:32,840 down on them, shit on them, vomit on it, eat it, give birth 746 00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:34,840 to it. Just make sure they're dead. 747 00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:38,160 This is the cute and cuddly Gizmo. 748 00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:43,440 The mum gets then attacked by a couple more who are in the 749 00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:46,040 Christmas tree now. So at this point in the script 750 00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:48,960 she was supposed to be murdered and then when Billy came home 751 00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:51,160 they were going to throw her decapitated head at him. 752 00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:54,520 That. Would have been great. 753 00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:56,640 It would have actually great. Billy was a 10 year old that 754 00:36:56,640 --> 00:37:01,480 would have been lol. Imagine still trying to do that 755 00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:02,840 for laughs. So that would have been fun. 756 00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:04,800 I like it. Anyway, they kill all the 757 00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:07,440 gremlins in the house except for Stripe the lead 1. 758 00:37:07,720 --> 00:37:14,880 He escapes to the local YMCA. Ever heard of it wink? 759 00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:18,600 Yeah, and he jumps into the swimming pool where he spawns an 760 00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:22,280 army of gremlins. I like how the boiling pool 761 00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:24,440 looks. Yeah, it was great, a great 762 00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:26,920 practical affair. That would be my new worry about 763 00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:28,720 like a new Gremlins. I hope they keep everything 764 00:37:28,720 --> 00:37:31,600 practical just because I just like the richness of it all. 765 00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:32,960 Yeah. Do you think the skills still 766 00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:34,880 exist? Do you think there's like teams 767 00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:37,640 of puppeteers and stuff? I guess so, yeah. 768 00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:39,360 I hope so. Yeah. 769 00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:41,280 Because like the guy who did all of this, he hasn't worked since 770 00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:43,680 the 90s. I'm like, did you choose to stop 771 00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:45,400 working? You silent? 772 00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:47,400 You're he's an Academy Award winner? 773 00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:49,600 Or did like he just get replaced? 774 00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:53,920 Or were you silenced anyway? I I totally agree. 775 00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:55,280 All the practical stuff in this is so good. 776 00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:01,360 So now there's lots of gremlins and they rampaged through the 777 00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:05,040 town where locals are injured or outright killed during their 778 00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:09,000 rampage. Our missus Deagle, the 46 year 779 00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:13,400 old 80 year old lady, she gets flung out of a window on her 780 00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:16,040 Stennis airlift. Great, Great Death. 781 00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:17,720 Yeah, Fabulous. Yeah. 782 00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:21,920 I will say I was sort of a bit over stimulated now by this 783 00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:24,120 point in the film because there's a lot of things 784 00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:26,280 happening and it's fun. It's very cartoony. 785 00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:30,280 But it did go on for a long time and I was like, yeah, I kind of 786 00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:33,240 needed something to kind of Take Me Out of it a little bit. 787 00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:35,440 At this point, I'm still, I'm still enjoying it. 788 00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:38,080 I like them. I like watching them torment all 789 00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:40,880 of the people they. Well we know you like to watch 790 00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:43,240 them till men. This is literally been your king 791 00:38:43,240 --> 00:38:44,840 discovery. Yeah, absolutely. 792 00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:48,680 The well, the racist guy gets run over in his own tractor, 793 00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:53,360 which I really liked. I wish they'd shown again. 794 00:38:53,720 --> 00:38:56,960 I wish the violence had been consistent and like when the 795 00:38:56,960 --> 00:39:00,680 people are getting killed there, it's like a bit gross too and it 796 00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:02,760 kind of cuts away doesn't. It yeah, but I kind of like now 797 00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:05,160 the fact that they're just like luring people into a sense of 798 00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:08,160 security and it's like, no, we're fucking with you. 799 00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:13,360 Yeah, yeah, so true. Billy goes to the police, who 800 00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:14,720 don't believe him, and they're drunk. 801 00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:15,800 A cab. A cab. 802 00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:20,480 The Gremlins cut the brakes on their police car and they die. 803 00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:23,800 So maybe these gremlins are actually kind of OK, yeah. 804 00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:30,960 Billy then goes to the bar where Kate works to rescue her. 805 00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:37,880 And this is when we see like, the first like, dose of cartoony 806 00:39:38,240 --> 00:39:40,160 carnage that the gremlins are doing. 807 00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:44,360 There was they're playing poker, they're break dancing, they're 808 00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:47,440 boozing free cigarettes. It was basically one of your 809 00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:49,920 house parties. They're flashing. 810 00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:52,040 It's basically, it's basically me at whole festival. 811 00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:53,840 Can we just talk about the flashing? 812 00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:58,480 Did we see gremlin pain? It's kind of like, it's kind of 813 00:39:58,480 --> 00:39:59,920 a mound, isn't it? Yeah. 814 00:39:59,920 --> 00:40:03,320 But yeah, if they reproduce out of the bubbles on their back, 815 00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:04,640 like what? What's he flashing? 816 00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:07,680 He's just, he's just learned to do that somehow. 817 00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:11,960 Assimilated to the world. But yeah, this is where I 818 00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:16,200 decided that Gizmo is like a tender queer who's just come 819 00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:20,880 out. I love that. 820 00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:24,560 Gizmo is like a gay who's just left his small town and moved to 821 00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:28,120 the big city. Might go to like a crafting 822 00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:32,000 event at the local queer pub. And then he runs into all of the 823 00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:37,320 like, hardcore meth heads who've been like totally destroyed by 824 00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:40,400 the city. They'll smoke anything, they'll 825 00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:42,800 do anything, they'll flash anything, they'll fuck anything. 826 00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:44,040 The Gremlins are queer, aren't they? 827 00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:45,600 I think so. No, they are, yeah. 828 00:40:46,240 --> 00:40:49,120 And like, they've come from like, a wholesome, you know, 829 00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:53,440 morally right background, but things have gone a bit wrong in 830 00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:57,280 the eyes of society, and they've been cast out as the villain. 831 00:40:57,280 --> 00:40:59,400 So therefore, what do you do? You're going to fuck everything. 832 00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:02,840 Now all they have left is pleasure seeking and who are we 833 00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:05,440 going to stop them? Do they kill anyone who doesn't 834 00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:08,120 deserve it? Debatable, but yeah, I don't 835 00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:09,960 think they do actually. The racists. 836 00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:13,360 The mean old lady who's like a capitalist. 837 00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:15,280 The cops. Yeah, and then they're just like 838 00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:17,600 to Gizmo, you're a little closet case bitch. 839 00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:20,840 So we're just going to. Yeah, exactly. 840 00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:22,760 So we're just going to fuck you up. 841 00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:23,800 I don't even know where I'm going with it. 842 00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:26,000 I'm so overwhelmed by this metaphor. 843 00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:28,240 Now. That's amazing, yeah. 844 00:41:28,240 --> 00:41:31,280 Yeah, I like it. Be gremlins, do crime. 845 00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:36,720 That's a good merch. Also I don't know if you noticed 846 00:41:36,720 --> 00:41:41,040 in this bar scene, but the lead gremlins stripe he's got a 847 00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:43,760 prototype Greta on his arm. Yeah. 848 00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:46,400 And I was like Trons. Yeah, yeah. 849 00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:48,080 Trons or drag? No, yeah. 850 00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:50,240 But yeah, both. Either way. 851 00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:54,840 Drag is for all crystal. So I think there's a small 852 00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:58,800 section of the queer community that that Gremlins is. 853 00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:00,560 And are they the section we know? 854 00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:05,200 Gay Land and the Dolls. Having a fucking great time. 855 00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:09,080 So maybe for Gremlins 3, maybe they could all be Daiki. 856 00:42:09,720 --> 00:42:12,480 Yeah, we that, that'd be good. Because we haven't I feel like 857 00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:15,120 we're missing dyke representation in in gremlins. 858 00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:18,560 But yeah, I liked that there was like a precursor to Greta at the 859 00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:20,200 bar. Like they've, they've I. 860 00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:22,600 Like, I like that it's kind of giving Smurf air. 861 00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:23,800 Yeah. It's just one. 862 00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:25,240 Yeah. It's like, yeah, I'm going to 863 00:42:25,240 --> 00:42:26,600 take you all on. Yeah, I'm kind of like. 864 00:42:26,720 --> 00:42:28,440 Fair play. And she's Kunti. 865 00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:30,320 She, like, whispers into stripes here. 866 00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:32,400 She's like. And then he shoots the other 867 00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:35,520 card player. Yeah, with his tiny gremlin gun. 868 00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:39,200 Okay, so then Billy and Kate run away and they hide her in the 869 00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:41,200 bank. And this is where Kate Trauma 870 00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:44,520 dumps. This is like she trauma shits. 871 00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:49,000 This is like the diarrhea that comes out of her out of nowhere. 872 00:42:49,240 --> 00:42:51,360 And they thought that this was just a great way because this 873 00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:55,960 was one of the things parents and the people sort of making 874 00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:57,440 the movie were like, we need to cut this. 875 00:42:57,440 --> 00:42:59,720 We need to cut the scene because it's bringing too much of A 876 00:42:59,720 --> 00:43:01,320 downer. But the director was like, no, 877 00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:03,480 this is this is going to give some like real depth to the 878 00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:05,960 character, isn't it? Can I read what she's? 879 00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:09,400 Yeah, please. The worst thing that ever 880 00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:14,000 happened to me on Christmas. Oh God, it was so horrible. 881 00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:17,320 Billy's like, I didn't ask. Yeah, totally. 882 00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:23,600 Well, it was Christmas Eve. I was nine years old, or you 883 00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:25,400 know, like Billy could have been a lot older. 884 00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:29,200 Me and my mom were decorating a tree, waiting for dad to come 885 00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:32,040 home from work. A couple of hours went by. 886 00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:36,040 Dad wasn't home, so mom called the office. 887 00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:42,000 No answer. Christmas Day came and went and 888 00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:46,160 still nothing. So the police began a search. 889 00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:50,520 Four or five days went by. Neither one of us could eat or 890 00:43:50,520 --> 00:43:55,280 sleep. Everything was falling apart. 891 00:43:55,760 --> 00:44:01,160 It was snowing outside, the house was freezing so I went to 892 00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:06,320 try to light up the fire. That's when I noticed the smell. 893 00:44:08,720 --> 00:44:10,840 The fireman came and broke through the chimney top and me 894 00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:13,400 and my mom were expecting them to pull out a dead cat or a bird 895 00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:19,040 but instead they pulled out. My father burned and rotted. 896 00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:22,520 He was dressed in a Santa Claus suit. 897 00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:27,080 He'd been climbing down the chimney, his arms loaded with 898 00:44:27,080 --> 00:44:29,720 presents. He was going to surprise us. 899 00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:33,880 He slipped and broke his neck. He died instantly. 900 00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:38,640 And that's how I found out there was no Santa Claus. 901 00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:48,400 What the fuck sensation? Very good. 902 00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:50,440 I've I have, I've got goosebumps. 903 00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:52,320 Yeah, yeah, she's. And a wedding. 904 00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:54,760 I can see it. I'm just going to say it. 905 00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:59,560 I think she's a liar. I think she's a compulsive liar. 906 00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:01,280 Yeah. Who just needs a bit of 907 00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:03,080 attention. Oh yeah, she's totally yeah. 908 00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:04,080 She's. Totally. 909 00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:07,280 These gremlins are really stealing my Thunder and I'm 910 00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:09,480 going to have to come up with something very outlandish and 911 00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:12,320 she's to bring it back to. Me free falling with the story, 912 00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:15,400 yeah, because it's like it goes down a really here. 913 00:45:15,720 --> 00:45:20,400 Can you imagine her as an actor being like got this really meaty 914 00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:25,360 scene where I'm just going to deliver like it's a real back 915 00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:28,640 story to my character? Yeah, she tries to do a SEC. 916 00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:30,320 A similar monologue in the second one doesn't. 917 00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:32,000 She and then they. Cut it off. 918 00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:35,160 Yeah, Yeah, it's good. It's one of the, like, weirdest 919 00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:37,480 things that happens in the movie and is so memorable. 920 00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:40,520 I think it's actually like, kind of great because it's so 921 00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:43,440 jarring. And again, it's just one of 922 00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:46,240 those things that whenever this movie is weird, I think it's 923 00:45:46,240 --> 00:45:49,480 really fun because you're like, wait, what just happened? 924 00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:53,280 Also, I just love how unnecessary it is in this kids 925 00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:55,280 film. Yeah, a Christmas kids film. 926 00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:58,480 Yeah. Like, imagine, like even 927 00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:04,360 planting the idea into a kids mind that, oh, if your parents 928 00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:07,440 dress up as Santa Claus, they could get burned alive or stuck 929 00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:10,520 in a chimney for days. Or Santa could even if you 930 00:46:10,520 --> 00:46:12,840 believe in Santa. But no, they're like, fuck you. 931 00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:14,640 There is no Santa. And This is why. 932 00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:21,640 Oh, I mean, that's a that is reason enough to hate Christmas, 933 00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:23,480 I suppose. Yeah, I think it's a good enough 934 00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:24,360 reason. Yeah, Yeah. 935 00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:27,080 Why do you hate myself? Have a similar. 936 00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:30,920 It all happened. Well, actually, my worst 937 00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:34,600 Christmas is fucking disgusting. But I had crabs. 938 00:46:34,720 --> 00:46:36,560 It really does make you feel very festive. 939 00:46:39,120 --> 00:46:40,960 And yeah, I didn't know what crafts was. 940 00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:44,440 I was my first unit my first year at uni, so I was very fresh 941 00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:46,560 off the boat. Didn't understand kind of your. 942 00:46:46,560 --> 00:46:47,880 Word. Gizmo. 943 00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:50,720 I was totally Gizmo. And then, yeah, so I came back 944 00:46:50,720 --> 00:46:53,160 home for Christmas. I was itching a bit, you know, 945 00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:55,080 itching, scratching a bit. And I was like, this is a bit 946 00:46:55,080 --> 00:46:58,760 weird, but you know what? Ebbs And then, you know, it was 947 00:46:58,760 --> 00:47:01,740 getting really, really crazy. So I like went on the old dial 948 00:47:01,740 --> 00:47:04,560 up Internet to try and sort of see what it could be. 949 00:47:05,160 --> 00:47:08,600 And then one of the things that came up as an STD or you know, 950 00:47:08,600 --> 00:47:11,040 was crabs, obviously. And then I was like, oh, and 951 00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:14,000 like looking at this microscopic image of them and I was like, 952 00:47:14,240 --> 00:47:18,680 well, I don't have that. Then I went and looked down and 953 00:47:18,680 --> 00:47:21,800 then all over my Bush. Riddled. 954 00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:24,440 Absolutely riddled. That was Christmas. 955 00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:31,760 Eve about 11:00 at night. So I swear to God I'm not like, 956 00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:36,320 so there was no pharmacist. There was no I also didn't 957 00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:39,000 understand that you could just go to a chemist and get like a 958 00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:41,320 lotion to put on it. I thought you had to go to a 959 00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:45,800 proper clinic. So I spent Christmas Day at my 960 00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:49,720 grandparents and I remember. Giving your grandparents crab. 961 00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:54,160 Just remember sitting around the Christmas dinner table knowing I 962 00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:57,640 had crabs, being absolutely riddled with them and just 963 00:47:57,640 --> 00:48:00,120 itching. It really does make you feel 964 00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:02,560 very festive. You never disappoint. 965 00:48:02,560 --> 00:48:04,880 That was that was my Christmas. Wow. 966 00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:06,680 And that's why I hate Christmas. And that's why. 967 00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:14,840 I didn't ask. I'm putting that on social. 968 00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:19,040 If you've been affected by any of the things that we said on 969 00:48:19,040 --> 00:48:23,480 this podcast, you can get help. If you go to our website, 970 00:48:23,560 --> 00:48:25,920 there'll be some links to. This is a great this is your 971 00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:29,960 sign to get tested so that your results come in before Christmas 972 00:48:29,960 --> 00:48:31,200 Eve. Fuck, and I know who it is as 973 00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:33,040 well. Fucking dirty bastard. 974 00:48:33,520 --> 00:48:38,440 I know who it was. So where were we gremlins? 975 00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:43,880 Yeah, I this isn't as bad, but the first Christmas I spent at 976 00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:49,000 my husband's family house, my mom sent me like a nudes. 977 00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:55,320 My mom sent me like a care package of, like, Christmas 978 00:48:55,320 --> 00:48:59,600 gifts to open on the day. And Tom's family is like, very 979 00:48:59,600 --> 00:49:02,520 trad, Yeah, classic Christmas gifts. 980 00:49:02,520 --> 00:49:05,520 Yeah. And my mom had sent basically a 981 00:49:05,520 --> 00:49:09,320 box of witchcraft, and it was the last thing I opened and 982 00:49:09,320 --> 00:49:11,680 everyone was still in the room. And one by one as I pulled 983 00:49:11,680 --> 00:49:13,120 things out, they all just started leaving because they 984 00:49:13,120 --> 00:49:16,600 were getting so uncomfortable. Things that included a bird's 985 00:49:16,600 --> 00:49:20,560 skull, which she found she thought I'd enjoy, A bag of 986 00:49:20,560 --> 00:49:23,480 dried mushrooms, which looked like magic mushrooms but 987 00:49:23,480 --> 00:49:24,800 weren't. It looked like she sent me 988 00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:27,560 drugs. I can't remember what else. 989 00:49:27,560 --> 00:49:30,720 But the final thing was a pair of pants which she thought I had 990 00:49:30,720 --> 00:49:33,600 left last time I'd visited, which were my sister's underwear 991 00:49:35,200 --> 00:49:40,840 and they weren't clean. So I pulled out a pair of my 992 00:49:40,840 --> 00:49:47,520 sister's knickers from my mother in front of my not then 993 00:49:47,520 --> 00:49:49,800 husband's very conservative mother. 994 00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:52,600 Why was your mother trolling you? 995 00:49:52,600 --> 00:49:55,000 This is like bullying. So when we say they weren't 996 00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:56,600 clean, did they have skid marks on them? 997 00:49:56,600 --> 00:49:58,600 That's what I need to know. Yeah. 998 00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:03,640 Nothing says Christmas like a skid mark, does it? 999 00:50:03,800 --> 00:50:07,040 My mom, and she's the one who really got me into being so 1000 00:50:07,040 --> 00:50:08,920 festive at Christmas, I have to say. 1001 00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:12,520 And my mom's the kind of person you can't even explain to her 1002 00:50:12,520 --> 00:50:16,560 then why that looked and was bad. 1003 00:50:16,640 --> 00:50:19,080 She's like, no, I was just being comfortable. 1004 00:50:21,800 --> 00:50:25,760 I love that, Oh my God. Yep. 1005 00:50:26,120 --> 00:50:27,600 Oh. Wow, that's my mother. 1006 00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:30,560 I'm really glad to have shared those stories. 1007 00:50:33,040 --> 00:50:35,680 Some people open presents while other people are opening their 1008 00:50:35,680 --> 00:50:38,080 wrists. That's what Kate says. 1009 00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:44,800 I know it's over the top, but that's how fast about you. 1010 00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:48,160 Whoa. Anyway, where are we in 1011 00:50:48,160 --> 00:50:50,680 Gremlins? They go and find all the 1012 00:50:50,680 --> 00:50:53,920 gremlins who've gathered at the local movie theatre and they're 1013 00:50:53,920 --> 00:50:55,960 watching Snow White and singing along. 1014 00:50:56,880 --> 00:50:59,400 She's so like. Why? 1015 00:50:59,800 --> 00:51:02,360 So queer. So queer they're like, oh, a 1016 00:51:02,360 --> 00:51:05,080 bunch of men living by themselves in the woods in a 1017 00:51:05,080 --> 00:51:06,680 Hut. Love it. 1018 00:51:08,440 --> 00:51:11,640 Billy and Kate set off a gas explosion, killing them all 1019 00:51:11,640 --> 00:51:14,480 except for Stripe, who had left the theatre earlier to get some 1020 00:51:14,480 --> 00:51:16,800 candy from a department store. Candy. 1021 00:51:18,240 --> 00:51:21,280 Drugs. Yes, they're all on drugs. 1022 00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:23,640 Yes. Honestly, they are like day 1023 00:51:23,640 --> 00:51:26,200 three at whole festival, like when it starts to get really 1024 00:51:26,200 --> 00:51:27,680 frenzied. I can imagine. 1025 00:51:28,040 --> 00:51:31,440 Anyway, they follow Stripe into the department store and yeah, 1026 00:51:31,440 --> 00:51:33,320 this is where I fell asleep watching it. 1027 00:51:33,840 --> 00:51:36,960 It actually so I simply boring, but this is part I know we're 1028 00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:38,960 like picking it up but. Like this part is it? 1029 00:51:39,320 --> 00:51:41,080 This is when you what you were saying about it all getting a 1030 00:51:41,080 --> 00:51:44,160 little bit too chaotic and then. Especially when there's such 1031 00:51:44,160 --> 00:51:48,000 rich storytelling to be had. Yeah, but I did rewatch it today 1032 00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:52,080 to to find out what I missed. They basically fight Stripe 1033 00:51:52,120 --> 00:51:54,440 tries to kill them with a chainsaw, which I quite liked, 1034 00:51:54,920 --> 00:51:57,200 and then he finds a fountain and he's trying to spawn more 1035 00:51:57,200 --> 00:52:01,840 gremlins, but Gizmo is driving around in a toy car and drives 1036 00:52:01,840 --> 00:52:06,880 into a nearby skylight, which opens and kills Stripe by 1037 00:52:06,880 --> 00:52:09,600 melting him. Which is, again, another kind of 1038 00:52:09,600 --> 00:52:11,880 little camp nod to the Wizard of Oz really, isn't it? 1039 00:52:11,880 --> 00:52:15,280 Yeah, yeah, so true. It also reminded me of Vamp when 1040 00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:18,800 Grace Jones dies because it's kind of a similar sort of melty 1041 00:52:18,920 --> 00:52:21,560 and they spent a really long time watching her melt. 1042 00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:23,240 Yeah. Yeah, it's great. 1043 00:52:23,720 --> 00:52:27,880 Then it's the next day, and Mr. Wing from the store where the 1044 00:52:27,880 --> 00:52:31,640 dad got Gizmo arrives and takes Gizmo back. 1045 00:52:31,640 --> 00:52:35,360 He's He scolds the family for their negligence and criticizes 1046 00:52:35,360 --> 00:52:38,200 Western society for its carelessness with nature. 1047 00:52:39,840 --> 00:52:41,640 This is like a great statement at the end. 1048 00:52:41,920 --> 00:52:45,000 But he does say that Billy maybe would be ready to care for Gizmo 1049 00:52:45,000 --> 00:52:47,080 one day. The end. 1050 00:52:47,680 --> 00:52:51,800 Wow, wow, wow, wow. We wanted to do something real, 1051 00:52:51,800 --> 00:52:54,160 fun and festive. Yeah, you just mentioned this, I 1052 00:52:54,160 --> 00:52:57,760 guess is good jumping off place. But like, where's, where's the 1053 00:52:57,760 --> 00:53:01,520 plot? It felt like they were like so 1054 00:53:01,520 --> 00:53:04,280 obsessed with what they could make the Gremlins do that they 1055 00:53:04,280 --> 00:53:08,160 forgot to think about the fact that it's coherent storyline, an 1056 00:53:08,160 --> 00:53:11,320 arc, some character development would actually help tie the 1057 00:53:11,320 --> 00:53:14,320 whole thing together. I feel like they like set up a 1058 00:53:14,320 --> 00:53:17,520 lot of things that never get resolved and just overall the 1059 00:53:17,520 --> 00:53:19,200 story like it's missing something. 1060 00:53:19,520 --> 00:53:22,080 Yeah, it really is. And it's like, although like 1061 00:53:22,080 --> 00:53:26,760 Spike gets a little bit more evil, it it all kind of plateaus 1062 00:53:26,800 --> 00:53:30,040 at a level and it's that it's like comedy, but it's like 1063 00:53:30,520 --> 00:53:33,040 earlier we've had a bit more danger with like the mom and the 1064 00:53:33,040 --> 00:53:34,760 horror. It would be nice to kind of 1065 00:53:34,760 --> 00:53:38,600 amplify that for the end sequence to just feel a bit 1066 00:53:38,600 --> 00:53:40,200 more. And it just it just feels like 1067 00:53:40,200 --> 00:53:42,080 we're kind of going around in circles now. 1068 00:53:42,320 --> 00:53:46,960 And it looks great, but great. And it's super cute and funny 1069 00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:49,160 and sweet. Well, not sweet, but like, to me 1070 00:53:49,160 --> 00:53:50,080 it is. To us it might be. 1071 00:53:50,080 --> 00:53:53,680 But yeah, it's just kind of lacking something with the 1072 00:53:53,720 --> 00:53:57,000 story, exactly what you said. Yeah, because they like Kate. 1073 00:53:57,040 --> 00:53:59,280 What is her character? She doesn't like Christmas. 1074 00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:00,840 Yeah, nothing. There's a good reason. 1075 00:54:00,840 --> 00:54:03,240 There's a good reason and nothing changes. 1076 00:54:03,680 --> 00:54:05,000 Yeah. Oh, OK. 1077 00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:07,400 Oh, so you wanted a redemption art? 1078 00:54:07,400 --> 00:54:08,280 You wanted. To know I mean. 1079 00:54:08,280 --> 00:54:10,160 Maybe I do love Christmas art. That would. 1080 00:54:10,440 --> 00:54:13,600 Kind of make. Maybe the real Santa Claus came 1081 00:54:13,600 --> 00:54:16,880 down her chimney or in her chimney. 1082 00:54:16,920 --> 00:54:19,200 Or her chimney. Stop it. 1083 00:54:20,920 --> 00:54:23,080 Or some of those porn titles again. 1084 00:54:23,600 --> 00:54:24,280 Nadia. Nice. 1085 00:54:24,280 --> 00:54:27,520 She's getting it twice. Is that what you wanted for her? 1086 00:54:27,760 --> 00:54:30,920 I also would have liked it if she had had like a really anti 1087 00:54:30,960 --> 00:54:34,720 consumerist thing about Christmas as well and that she 1088 00:54:34,720 --> 00:54:39,400 was kind of right in the end and like kind of showed Billy that 1089 00:54:39,400 --> 00:54:42,280 like hating Christmas was kind of valid because it's gross and 1090 00:54:42,280 --> 00:54:46,000 capitalistic and it's there's too much consumption And like 1091 00:54:46,040 --> 00:54:48,720 actually she got proved right, but that doesn't happen. 1092 00:54:49,440 --> 00:54:52,280 The villains in this movie. I I think the people who are 1093 00:54:52,280 --> 00:54:55,520 supposed to be villains like are kind of that capitalist 1094 00:54:56,040 --> 00:54:58,520 consumerist stuff. Like Mrs. Deagle. 1095 00:54:59,080 --> 00:55:01,400 She's like a Scrooge. She's like wants to evict 1096 00:55:01,400 --> 00:55:04,120 everyone and hates poor people. So she gets punished. 1097 00:55:04,200 --> 00:55:06,240 She. Gets punished and then the bank 1098 00:55:06,240 --> 00:55:10,480 manager or like his Billy's colleague at the bank, he's like 1099 00:55:10,480 --> 00:55:12,840 obsessed with money. And I think there was supposed 1100 00:55:12,840 --> 00:55:15,560 to be a scene where he gets killed by the gremlins as well. 1101 00:55:15,560 --> 00:55:17,800 He gets tortured. So actually the gremlins. 1102 00:55:18,320 --> 00:55:21,440 So then why are we vilifying and killing the gremlins if they're 1103 00:55:21,440 --> 00:55:24,800 killing all the bad people? Yeah, it's kind of weird. 1104 00:55:25,480 --> 00:55:27,920 I basically think the movie doesn't really know what it's 1105 00:55:27,920 --> 00:55:32,200 trying to say or do with the gremlins because basically if 1106 00:55:32,200 --> 00:55:36,320 you look at what is gremlins an analogy for on the Internet, 1107 00:55:37,320 --> 00:55:40,600 basically, you name it, people have thought they are a 1108 00:55:40,600 --> 00:55:42,760 representation of that. People think that they're a very 1109 00:55:42,760 --> 00:55:44,880 racist representation of black people. 1110 00:55:45,880 --> 00:55:46,800 Really. Yeah. 1111 00:55:47,000 --> 00:55:49,640 Because of, like the music that they listen to, fried chicken, 1112 00:55:50,040 --> 00:55:54,240 like the clothes that they wear. They're kind of like a threat of 1113 00:55:54,240 --> 00:55:57,400 like, black youth culture, some people say. 1114 00:55:57,400 --> 00:55:59,960 I mean, this is also the thing that people love to do. 1115 00:55:59,960 --> 00:56:02,760 Don't know, They love to like, stack stuff with layers of 1116 00:56:02,760 --> 00:56:05,880 representation. Whereas actually it sounds like 1117 00:56:05,880 --> 00:56:08,160 they had a bunch of really fucking cool puppets and some 1118 00:56:08,160 --> 00:56:10,840 really talented people. And then they're like, oh, we 1119 00:56:10,840 --> 00:56:13,720 can't even be bothered to change the storyline from the 10 year 1120 00:56:13,720 --> 00:56:16,800 old boy to an adult. Yeah, I don't think it's that. 1121 00:56:16,800 --> 00:56:20,400 I think, I think what mostly what you're seeing is like the 1122 00:56:20,480 --> 00:56:23,920 film makers unconscious bias showing for the most part, or 1123 00:56:23,920 --> 00:56:26,840 they're like, it's a bunch of straight white men making a 1124 00:56:26,840 --> 00:56:30,040 movie and not thinking about any of that stuff and therefore 1125 00:56:30,040 --> 00:56:33,920 occasionally really stepping in it because they're Dum Dums who 1126 00:56:33,920 --> 00:56:38,000 don't have to think about that. And so therefore they've left a 1127 00:56:38,000 --> 00:56:41,840 lot of wide open goals where you, if you are like looking at 1128 00:56:41,840 --> 00:56:44,400 it critically, you're like, well, that's kind of weird. 1129 00:56:44,560 --> 00:56:46,560 You know, the shopkeeper is a good example of that. 1130 00:56:46,560 --> 00:56:48,600 It's just playing into racist stereotypes. 1131 00:56:48,760 --> 00:56:51,160 But then also like the way that they handle the neighbor who's 1132 00:56:51,160 --> 00:56:55,040 like a xenophobe and it just who goes on 2 tirades about like 1133 00:56:55,040 --> 00:56:59,280 foreign products, I hate foreign things, foreign things are bad. 1134 00:56:59,480 --> 00:57:02,160 It's like, well, what is the the movie trying to say about that? 1135 00:57:02,160 --> 00:57:06,400 Because gizmos foreign, like some people think that the 1136 00:57:06,400 --> 00:57:10,840 gremlins are a representation of Chinese goods coming into 1137 00:57:10,840 --> 00:57:14,080 America for the first time and how they're like ruining 1138 00:57:14,080 --> 00:57:16,920 American manufacturing. And again, I don't think the 1139 00:57:16,920 --> 00:57:18,800 movie necessarily thinks that, because I don't think the movie 1140 00:57:18,800 --> 00:57:21,560 thinks really anything. No, Yeah, yeah, yeah. 1141 00:57:21,840 --> 00:57:25,360 Some people think the gremlins are a representation of American 1142 00:57:25,360 --> 00:57:28,880 overconsumption, which I think is the best reading. 1143 00:57:30,400 --> 00:57:32,360 I also think some of these people need to turn their 1144 00:57:32,360 --> 00:57:35,480 academic brains into a different movie to analyse because I'm 1145 00:57:35,480 --> 00:57:37,360 just like, you're putting a lot into this. 1146 00:57:37,880 --> 00:57:40,920 Well, and then here we are being like we can enjoy this if we 1147 00:57:41,000 --> 00:57:43,800 think of them as game. That's always a fun thing to do, 1148 00:57:43,800 --> 00:57:46,400 totally. Totally, but we don't think that 1149 00:57:46,400 --> 00:57:49,200 the film makers intended it. No way. 1150 00:57:49,960 --> 00:57:52,240 No way. But yeah, all of that is 1151 00:57:52,240 --> 00:57:55,200 basically to say that it there's like so much amazing craft in 1152 00:57:55,200 --> 00:57:58,360 this movie when it comes to special effects and puppetry and 1153 00:57:58,360 --> 00:58:01,200 like the sets, like there's just really cool design elements. 1154 00:58:01,400 --> 00:58:05,720 And then when it comes to like, story, acting, plot. 1155 00:58:06,080 --> 00:58:07,040 Yeah. Yeah. 1156 00:58:07,040 --> 00:58:12,160 Motivations, consequences, they're like, oh, we'll figure 1157 00:58:12,160 --> 00:58:13,440 that out later. And then they just never 1158 00:58:13,440 --> 00:58:14,960 bothered to, Yeah. Come back to it. 1159 00:58:14,960 --> 00:58:16,160 No. I think that's I completely 1160 00:58:16,160 --> 00:58:18,360 agree with that. Yeah, like even the dog, like 1161 00:58:18,360 --> 00:58:21,440 the dog is set up at the beginning to like have narrative 1162 00:58:21,760 --> 00:58:24,280 value, and then nothing happens with the dog. 1163 00:58:25,080 --> 00:58:27,520 If the dog had died, that would have been better. 1164 00:58:27,520 --> 00:58:29,840 What is your thing with wanting this dog to die? 1165 00:58:30,040 --> 00:58:33,320 They were also supposed to go to a McDonald's apparently, and 1166 00:58:33,320 --> 00:58:35,320 they were going to eat all the customers, the gremlins they 1167 00:58:35,320 --> 00:58:37,120 were going to turn them into. Burgers that would have been 1168 00:58:37,120 --> 00:58:40,520 great as well. Oh OK so there was lots of fun 1169 00:58:40,520 --> 00:58:42,400 ideas. I wonder if the third one would 1170 00:58:42,400 --> 00:58:43,800 go dark. Yeah, that's what I would. 1171 00:58:43,800 --> 00:58:46,880 Love if it's going to just be a bit rebooty and just actually 1172 00:58:47,400 --> 00:58:50,040 let's think about merch, let's think about these toys that we 1173 00:58:50,040 --> 00:58:52,680 can sell. Well, and this, as was I think 1174 00:58:52,960 --> 00:58:56,720 Steven Spielberg's big thing, was just like, Gizmo is going to 1175 00:58:57,000 --> 00:58:59,600 make a great toy. Yeah, because there was also 1176 00:58:59,640 --> 00:59:02,120 like a cartoon series of gremlins. 1177 00:59:02,120 --> 00:59:05,880 Yeah, so again, not to harp on about this, but the original 1178 00:59:05,880 --> 00:59:08,400 script was that Gizmo turned into Stripe. 1179 00:59:09,320 --> 00:59:12,280 So Gizmo was the villain. He was the good guy and the bad 1180 00:59:12,280 --> 00:59:16,400 guy, and like he they had to kill Gizmo, but Steven Spielberg 1181 00:59:16,400 --> 00:59:20,600 nixed that so that they could basically sell Gizmo dolls. 1182 00:59:20,720 --> 00:59:22,080 I mean, it makes sense, doesn't it? 1183 00:59:22,160 --> 00:59:25,360 Yeah, but it makes for whenever, whenever you make a safe choice, 1184 00:59:25,360 --> 00:59:27,800 I think the movie becomes less interesting. 1185 00:59:27,800 --> 00:59:28,920 Doesn't it? Yeah. 1186 00:59:29,280 --> 00:59:30,920 But who knows? Like would we even be talking 1187 00:59:30,920 --> 00:59:32,880 about it if they'd gone for the dark root? 1188 00:59:32,880 --> 00:59:35,680 Like, would people have seen it? Would it have been a success? 1189 00:59:35,680 --> 00:59:38,000 Yeah, I think there's something in the fact that it's this kind 1190 00:59:38,000 --> 00:59:42,000 of mishmash and an accidental playing around with like kind of 1191 00:59:42,000 --> 00:59:47,080 levels and writing and horror and violence, whilst also like 1192 00:59:47,080 --> 00:59:49,160 it is seen as a legit Christmas film. 1193 00:59:49,160 --> 00:59:50,880 Yeah, it's weird it. Is weird. 1194 00:59:51,160 --> 00:59:54,800 It's also if you are watching us at Christmas and you are sort of 1195 00:59:54,840 --> 00:59:58,240 a non core Christmas person, which I'm sure some of the 1196 00:59:58,240 --> 01:00:00,680 listeners are right now. So you know you've had your 1197 01:00:00,680 --> 01:00:03,160 Christmas dinner. Oh, I've eaten too much food. 1198 01:00:03,160 --> 01:00:05,040 I need to fall asleep on the sofa. 1199 01:00:05,400 --> 01:00:07,400 Just watch the EastEnders or whatever. 1200 01:00:09,400 --> 01:00:11,840 You, you probably the perfect viewing because you're probably 1201 01:00:11,840 --> 01:00:14,920 just too fat and stuffed, aren't you, with food and drink that 1202 01:00:14,920 --> 01:00:16,880 you, it doesn't really matter. You're watching it and then 1203 01:00:16,880 --> 01:00:19,360 actually near the end where it gets a bit boring, you're just 1204 01:00:19,480 --> 01:00:21,880 actually just sort of fading off into a sleep. 1205 01:00:22,360 --> 01:00:26,240 So it's a great Christmas, great Christmas viewing, whereas I 1206 01:00:26,240 --> 01:00:28,920 wouldn't be doing that because I don't celebrate Christmas. 1207 01:00:29,160 --> 01:00:33,520 And a bone comes dead. I don't, I sit at home with my 1208 01:00:33,520 --> 01:00:35,800 dog and do non christmassy things. 1209 01:00:35,960 --> 01:00:39,440 And a bone comes dead like non christmassy things. 1210 01:00:39,720 --> 01:00:41,520 What, like goon? Goon. 1211 01:00:44,320 --> 01:00:47,760 That's how fast if I. The acting is also really bad. 1212 01:00:47,760 --> 01:00:50,160 Oh yeah, it's terrible. Like the well, the fact that 1213 01:00:50,160 --> 01:00:54,080 gremlins are better actors than the actual actors says it all. 1214 01:00:54,400 --> 01:00:59,040 The puppets are way they light up the screen whereas the actors 1215 01:00:59,040 --> 01:01:02,840 are all just a bunch of like even the fucking old woman who's 1216 01:01:02,840 --> 01:01:06,440 only 46 like this. If you're going to be a villain 1217 01:01:06,520 --> 01:01:09,520 you could have really done something way more villainous 1218 01:01:09,520 --> 01:01:12,200 with her rather than just plant like oh she's a bit evil. 1219 01:01:12,840 --> 01:01:17,760 Like have her torturing the dog and the gremlin save the dog but 1220 01:01:17,760 --> 01:01:19,720 you want the dog to die. No, that would be good too. 1221 01:01:20,240 --> 01:01:23,320 Just something else. But you know, I think they were 1222 01:01:23,320 --> 01:01:26,560 probably so excited by what they could do with these puppets and 1223 01:01:26,560 --> 01:01:28,280 like the fun that they were going to have with that, that 1224 01:01:28,280 --> 01:01:30,120 that felt like enough. And do you know what? 1225 01:01:30,120 --> 01:01:34,240 For an 80s an 80s film of this day, I'm OK with that as well. 1226 01:01:34,880 --> 01:01:39,080 And I think it's worth kind of commending it for that blending 1227 01:01:39,080 --> 01:01:42,560 of like horror and comedy, which I think is fun and interesting. 1228 01:01:42,560 --> 01:01:44,200 And it's like always kind of fun to watch. 1229 01:01:44,200 --> 01:01:48,280 Ghostbusters being another good example of that and like I think 1230 01:01:48,400 --> 01:01:54,920 the way it managed just kind of sneak in gross, subversive weird 1231 01:01:54,920 --> 01:01:57,800 stuff into like a family friendly movie just wouldn't 1232 01:01:57,800 --> 01:01:59,040 happen anymore. No. 1233 01:01:59,040 --> 01:02:01,480 And that's what was so good about the 80s kind of movies 1234 01:02:01,480 --> 01:02:03,280 because they were always doing weird stuff like that. 1235 01:02:03,400 --> 01:02:05,920 This one in particular. But I always feel like, yeah, 1236 01:02:05,920 --> 01:02:09,560 there's there's something. Yeah, yeah, there's risks 1237 01:02:09,560 --> 01:02:11,600 happening. There's like things that you 1238 01:02:11,600 --> 01:02:15,440 know, wouldn't have gotten past like a test audience or like a 1239 01:02:16,960 --> 01:02:21,120 all the studio execs that want to have an opinion on it. 1240 01:02:21,120 --> 01:02:25,160 So there's something kind of magical about the weird shitness 1241 01:02:25,160 --> 01:02:27,800 of this movie. Yeah, I was just thinking of 1242 01:02:27,800 --> 01:02:32,240 like a dark thing that I would do if I was with my director 1243 01:02:32,240 --> 01:02:35,240 brain on. Yeah, I would have her doing her 1244 01:02:35,240 --> 01:02:37,240 speech about the dead dad down the chimney. 1245 01:02:37,480 --> 01:02:39,760 And then I would get the gremlins to like, reenact it. 1246 01:02:39,760 --> 01:02:41,960 So she's like reliving it. And it's like, Oh my God, dad's 1247 01:02:41,960 --> 01:02:43,640 coming down. And it's like, then it's the 1248 01:02:43,640 --> 01:02:45,600 gremlins. And they're like laughing at her 1249 01:02:45,600 --> 01:02:48,680 like. They're like hanging gizmo down 1250 01:02:48,680 --> 01:02:51,240 the chimney. Or something they dug up his 1251 01:02:51,240 --> 01:02:55,040 dead body and dressed up as Santa Claus and they're like lol 1252 01:02:55,200 --> 01:02:56,960 is this triggering? That's. 1253 01:02:56,960 --> 01:02:58,720 Funny. Right. 1254 01:02:58,720 --> 01:03:02,400 Yeah, digging up a dead body is funny. 1255 01:03:02,640 --> 01:03:04,240 On the practical effects, just quickly. 1256 01:03:04,240 --> 01:03:07,480 So obviously Gizmo is like an animatronic puppet. 1257 01:03:07,600 --> 01:03:09,880 Yeah, it was all very complicated, very hard to do. 1258 01:03:10,360 --> 01:03:14,280 You love puppet chat, by the way, I love puppet chat. 1259 01:03:14,280 --> 01:03:16,000 You were talking about this puppet like you are. 1260 01:03:16,160 --> 01:03:18,760 You are into it. But what I found out about the 1261 01:03:18,760 --> 01:03:21,240 gremlins is that they're not animatronics. 1262 01:03:21,240 --> 01:03:22,920 They need to be handheld. Do you know what the technical 1263 01:03:22,920 --> 01:03:27,320 term for puppet is? Butt Puppet. 1264 01:03:30,800 --> 01:03:33,040 So how many butt puppets were there at once? 1265 01:03:33,600 --> 01:03:35,280 Well, that sounds like a good time. 1266 01:03:35,640 --> 01:03:38,920 In the cinema scene, the the. Double. 1267 01:03:38,960 --> 01:03:43,480 The puppeteers had one puppet on their head and one on each hand. 1268 01:03:43,480 --> 01:03:45,960 Yeah, they did. So they were three. 1269 01:03:46,520 --> 01:03:48,960 Three holes. Butt Puppeteer. 1270 01:03:51,480 --> 01:03:53,960 Just like Hole Festival. But how many could you do? 1271 01:03:55,520 --> 01:03:58,360 Anyway, where's where's our girl Goro? 1272 01:03:58,360 --> 01:04:01,320 When you need her, think of all the puppets she could operate. 1273 01:04:01,320 --> 01:04:03,680 Oh my God, she yeah, she'd be able to do it, wouldn't she? 1274 01:04:03,680 --> 01:04:06,920 She's on butt puppet island. I love I love butt puppets 1275 01:04:07,080 --> 01:04:08,400 again. Good. 1276 01:04:08,400 --> 01:04:11,840 Who came up with that term? Someone who's like this is 1277 01:04:11,840 --> 01:04:13,880 exactly what this is. Yeah, yeah, it's Butt Pub. 1278 01:04:14,080 --> 01:04:15,960 Yeah. Good band name too. 1279 01:04:16,200 --> 01:04:18,600 Yeah, great band name. Good good name for club night. 1280 01:04:19,320 --> 01:04:22,240 Good. Anything else? 1281 01:04:22,280 --> 01:04:25,960 No, I would like to leave the discussion at butt puppets. 1282 01:04:25,960 --> 01:04:29,600 OK, perfect. Let's rate this movie then. 1283 01:04:29,680 --> 01:04:33,400 So we need to give it one to 10 Merrill's for the quality and 1284 01:04:33,400 --> 01:04:36,000 one to 10 Elizas for the camp factor. 1285 01:04:37,080 --> 01:04:40,920 Well, for the monologue alone, I could imagine Merrill absolutely 1286 01:04:40,920 --> 01:04:44,000 killing that. Bringing crap to it, Yes. 1287 01:04:44,000 --> 01:04:47,680 Imagine Merrill in this movie. A young Merrill. 1288 01:04:48,000 --> 01:04:52,200 I mean, technically it's a great film if you are not talking 1289 01:04:52,200 --> 01:04:55,160 anything about the plot, right? So if it's just visually. 1290 01:04:55,320 --> 01:04:57,560 Yeah, the visuals are great. Special effects the. 1291 01:04:57,560 --> 01:05:00,680 Special effects are fantastic. Yeah, it just is really gorgeous 1292 01:05:00,680 --> 01:05:02,760 to look at and I think it's probably one of those films that 1293 01:05:02,760 --> 01:05:06,200 like you could just have on in the background and like notice 1294 01:05:06,200 --> 01:05:08,680 something new, especially in that like cinema scene, like 1295 01:05:08,680 --> 01:05:12,320 there's so much going on and yeah, little quick gags and 1296 01:05:12,320 --> 01:05:14,200 visuals so the. Bar scene too. 1297 01:05:14,200 --> 01:05:16,440 Yeah, there's so much cool. So much effort. 1298 01:05:16,640 --> 01:05:19,360 Which is great, but then it's complete and utter trash as a 1299 01:05:20,120 --> 01:05:22,200 story. Yeah, that's a shame. 1300 01:05:22,200 --> 01:05:24,800 It does kind of frustrate me because I think there is such a 1301 01:05:24,800 --> 01:05:29,480 good movie in there and they actually like set up, set it up 1302 01:05:29,480 --> 01:05:31,640 and then they just don't stick the landing. 1303 01:05:31,800 --> 01:05:33,600 Yeah. Not that like every movie needs 1304 01:05:33,600 --> 01:05:37,080 to be like a three-part story with like character development 1305 01:05:37,080 --> 01:05:39,720 and like strife at the beginning and then everyone learns a 1306 01:05:39,720 --> 01:05:42,400 lesson. But it's like, you do need some 1307 01:05:42,480 --> 01:05:44,040 of that something. Yeah. 1308 01:05:44,040 --> 01:05:46,560 Otherwise, like what? What's, what are you watching? 1309 01:05:46,560 --> 01:05:48,360 What's the point? What's the payoff? 1310 01:05:49,080 --> 01:05:51,760 But so like, what are we marking out Merrill's because we're 1311 01:05:51,760 --> 01:05:55,520 obviously it's not like it's not like Julianne Moore style drama, 1312 01:05:55,720 --> 01:05:59,000 but are we talking as like a kids fantasy movie or is the 1313 01:05:59,000 --> 01:06:01,600 fact is it crosses over into horror that we need to give it a 1314 01:06:01,600 --> 01:06:03,600 bit more of that as well? Yeah. 1315 01:06:03,600 --> 01:06:07,120 And I guess it probably got some points for like being kind of 1316 01:06:07,120 --> 01:06:11,320 groundbreaking for like setting a trend, Yeah. 1317 01:06:11,320 --> 01:06:16,280 For, like, when this came out in 84, it was pretty innovative, I 1318 01:06:16,280 --> 01:06:18,480 guess. And like, people love this 1319 01:06:18,480 --> 01:06:21,280 movie, don't they? Like I don't have that. 1320 01:06:21,280 --> 01:06:23,880 Feeling that means nothing. I don't have that feeling but 1321 01:06:23,880 --> 01:06:27,360 like and so I don't want to like piss on people's cornflakes, but 1322 01:06:28,280 --> 01:06:31,000 it's. Well, that's what we're here to 1323 01:06:31,000 --> 01:06:32,280 do sometime so. I don't know. 1324 01:06:32,280 --> 01:06:35,760 For me it's maybe in like normally when we're just talking 1325 01:06:35,760 --> 01:06:39,920 production design, it's like very low. 1326 01:06:39,920 --> 01:06:43,880 I'll maybe give it a couple more for and like go on like A4 or 1327 01:06:43,880 --> 01:06:45,000 A5. Yeah, I'm going to give it a 1328 01:06:45,000 --> 01:06:48,160 five, I think. Yeah, I'm going to give it a 5. 1329 01:06:48,240 --> 01:06:52,640 OK, I'll stick with my 4. So 4 Merrill's from me. 1330 01:06:52,840 --> 01:06:55,160 Groundbreaking. What about Eliza's? 1331 01:06:55,640 --> 01:06:57,440 Well, I think we've had a lot of fun. 1332 01:06:57,440 --> 01:06:58,760 We've had a lot of fun talking about. 1333 01:06:58,760 --> 01:07:02,000 That I think again, watching this with friends, OK, I watched 1334 01:07:02,000 --> 01:07:05,480 this this film alone, which kind of adds another layer of sadness 1335 01:07:05,480 --> 01:07:07,200 to it. I do think a lot of these films 1336 01:07:07,200 --> 01:07:09,320 are like. I need a couple of drinks. 1337 01:07:10,080 --> 01:07:13,520 I watched it with a drink and some friends last night. 1338 01:07:13,520 --> 01:07:15,840 And it wasn't. We all got bored and I fell 1339 01:07:15,840 --> 01:07:18,040 asleep. That's so upsetting. 1340 01:07:19,360 --> 01:07:21,520 Oh. Yeah, it just, I think there's 1341 01:07:21,520 --> 01:07:24,760 something about the pacing of the especially the last third 1342 01:07:24,760 --> 01:07:28,040 way, like I'm not actually having any fun anymore. 1343 01:07:28,040 --> 01:07:30,760 Yeah, I mean the the highs are high for me. 1344 01:07:30,760 --> 01:07:34,440 And like it is fun. It's fun comparing them to kind 1345 01:07:34,440 --> 01:07:37,800 of like people that we might know or situations we might 1346 01:07:37,800 --> 01:07:40,440 know. And that speech alone and like, 1347 01:07:41,120 --> 01:07:46,320 yeah, the burning of your own father at Christmas, I think 1348 01:07:46,320 --> 01:07:48,400 deserves. Yeah, that deserves a lot. 1349 01:07:48,640 --> 01:07:50,520 But overall, it doesn't sustain itself. 1350 01:07:50,520 --> 01:07:53,200 There are camper movies. I'm going to give it a 7. 1351 01:07:54,000 --> 01:07:58,040 Oh my God, I don't know. Go low if you if you feel it. 1352 01:07:58,280 --> 01:08:01,240 I see why it's a classic it I think there's something about it 1353 01:08:01,240 --> 01:08:05,120 that it just ends up feeling a little too mainstream to like, 1354 01:08:05,440 --> 01:08:07,840 really tickle me. I think I'm going to give it 6 1355 01:08:07,840 --> 01:08:12,080 sizes. Yeah, I think that's fair 1356 01:08:12,080 --> 01:08:13,800 enough. I I you're pretty dry here. 1357 01:08:13,800 --> 01:08:16,200 I don't see, like, much evidence of a wetty. 1358 01:08:16,680 --> 01:08:18,279 Yeah. So I think, you know, for a 1359 01:08:18,279 --> 01:08:20,560 Christmas movie, Sure. Yeah. 1360 01:08:20,800 --> 01:08:24,800 But it's, it's, it's a bit overrated, isn't it, as a movie? 1361 01:08:24,800 --> 01:08:27,279 I think it is overrated and I get why. 1362 01:08:27,279 --> 01:08:30,840 Like if you watch this as a kid, you've got fond memories for it, 1363 01:08:30,840 --> 01:08:32,680 like. And also, I think as a kid, it's 1364 01:08:32,680 --> 01:08:35,760 that excitement of like, oh, I've been allowed to watch this, 1365 01:08:35,760 --> 01:08:38,080 you know, I mean, it's like your first step into kind. 1366 01:08:38,080 --> 01:08:40,640 Of And the gremlins themselves are kind of kids, aren't they? 1367 01:08:40,640 --> 01:08:43,479 They're kind of like the bad, like it's being naughty. 1368 01:08:43,880 --> 01:08:45,640 And yet you've been. They've been killed and 1369 01:08:45,640 --> 01:08:48,840 destroyed for being themselves, for revealing their true 1370 01:08:48,880 --> 01:08:53,000 identity is going against the norms of society, and yet we 1371 01:08:53,000 --> 01:08:56,120 should massacre them for that. Yeah, I think that's quite an 1372 01:08:56,120 --> 01:08:58,840 important message actually. Take drugs. 1373 01:08:59,120 --> 01:09:01,240 Kill people. Be gremlins, do crime. 1374 01:09:01,279 --> 01:09:04,160 Yeah, love it. Merry Christmas everyone. 1375 01:09:07,080 --> 01:09:10,359 And please check if you do a lucky enough to have a chimney, 1376 01:09:10,560 --> 01:09:14,279 please check it Christmas. And Please remember to check 1377 01:09:14,279 --> 01:09:21,200 yourself for crabs. And do it before Christmas Eve 1378 01:09:21,200 --> 01:09:24,240 so you can get that lotion. In fact, I suggest having a 1379 01:09:24,240 --> 01:09:27,040 bottle of lotion just just just in case. 1380 01:09:28,359 --> 01:09:31,120 Just in case baby Liam comes to the Zero house this Christmas. 1381 01:09:32,000 --> 01:09:35,720 This furniture is riddled now. Sorry to the podcast studio. 1382 01:09:35,880 --> 01:09:37,720 It really does make you feel very festive. 1383 01:09:38,840 --> 01:09:42,359 OK, thanks for listening and we can't wait to tell you more 1384 01:09:42,359 --> 01:09:45,319 about our bodies in the year 2026. 1385 01:09:45,520 --> 01:09:50,279 Goodbye, bye. Get away from her, you bitch. 1386 01:09:51,920 --> 01:09:55,120 Classic. He was in the Amazon with my mom 1387 01:09:55,240 --> 01:09:57,880 when she was researching spiders right before she died. 1388 01:09:58,920 --> 01:09:59,080 No.