1 00:00:00,520 --> 00:00:04,400 Right, so let's set the scene. It's BFI Flare. 2 00:00:05,280 --> 00:00:10,400 We've got a packed out cinema, we're outside Crystal ready to 3 00:00:10,400 --> 00:00:13,080 go in with our first ever live event. 4 00:00:13,480 --> 00:00:15,760 Wow, we're going for that angle. I don't. 5 00:00:16,079 --> 00:00:21,000 Know. I'm like, I cannot commit to 6 00:00:21,000 --> 00:00:22,320 that. No, I don't know. 7 00:00:22,520 --> 00:00:25,640 I don't know. Hi, it's Crystal. 8 00:00:25,720 --> 00:00:28,400 Hi, it's Baby Lane. We are just letting you know 9 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:33,160 that you're about to listen to our BFI Live Flair Festival. 10 00:00:33,160 --> 00:00:35,040 I thought you were going to say you were about to listen to our 11 00:00:35,040 --> 00:00:37,400 bullshit audio. That too. 12 00:00:37,760 --> 00:00:42,080 Listen, we did an event at BFI and it's our prerogative to 13 00:00:42,080 --> 00:00:43,840 release it as an episode. Yeah, we had to do it. 14 00:00:43,840 --> 00:00:47,560 It's a live episode, but you know, the BFI apparently can't 15 00:00:47,560 --> 00:00:49,720 do audio recording so. Just visuals. 16 00:00:49,720 --> 00:00:52,440 They're known for their visuals, not their audio recording. 17 00:00:52,680 --> 00:00:54,560 Yeah, the audio isn't, you know what? 18 00:00:54,560 --> 00:00:56,640 It's not amazing, but it's very listenable. 19 00:00:56,760 --> 00:00:59,040 And I will say the chat's good. It would be a shame for this one 20 00:00:59,040 --> 00:01:01,120 to just be hitting in the cutting room floor so. 21 00:01:01,360 --> 00:01:03,360 Exactly. So we've got some amazing 22 00:01:03,360 --> 00:01:05,280 special guests. You're going to hear it all. 23 00:01:05,840 --> 00:01:08,920 I hope you enjoy this episode and we'll be back with a regular 24 00:01:08,920 --> 00:01:18,160 episode in two weeks. Get away from her, you bitch. 25 00:01:19,720 --> 00:01:22,960 Classic. He was in the Amazon with my mom 26 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:25,680 when she was researching spiders right before she died. 27 00:01:26,640 --> 00:01:29,840 No. Hang on. 28 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:33,320 Thought you become a prostitute, you're a. 29 00:01:33,360 --> 00:01:36,080 Dog at it I. Used to love doggy chow. 30 00:01:37,440 --> 00:01:41,800 I used to love doggy chow too. Hello everybody. 31 00:01:42,080 --> 00:01:45,760 Hi. Welcome to Camp Classics. 32 00:01:47,080 --> 00:01:48,280 Oh come on, we can do better than that. 33 00:01:48,280 --> 00:01:50,640 So welcome to Camp Classics everybody. 34 00:01:52,120 --> 00:01:55,720 It's a thoughtful podcast about stupid movies. 35 00:01:55,720 --> 00:01:58,400 Hi. Now we're just gonna renegotiate 36 00:01:58,400 --> 00:02:02,080 these very low table mics. Here's this Very low, isn't it? 37 00:02:02,080 --> 00:02:03,600 It's just where. It's able for M. 38 00:02:03,600 --> 00:02:06,600 And it's just, yeah, I'm just gonna here we go crossover. 39 00:02:06,600 --> 00:02:09,600 Oh, lean over. So yes, we are here. 40 00:02:09,600 --> 00:02:13,080 It's an honour to be here at BFI Fly Air Flare Fest. 41 00:02:13,080 --> 00:02:15,720 Fly Festival, Flare Festival. Tell, I've had a few drinks 42 00:02:15,720 --> 00:02:16,640 already. Everybody has. 43 00:02:16,640 --> 00:02:19,760 No, but seriously, it's an honour to be here at BFI Flare 44 00:02:19,760 --> 00:02:22,800 Festival. 40 years. What a prestigious event 45 00:02:22,800 --> 00:02:24,760 Crystal. What the hell are we doing here? 46 00:02:24,760 --> 00:02:27,600 We have no right. Absolutely no right that's. 47 00:02:27,920 --> 00:02:31,480 We have blagged our way to this festival with our shitty little 48 00:02:31,480 --> 00:02:35,400 podcast, Everybody that delves into the world of camp cinema. 49 00:02:35,720 --> 00:02:38,960 What in the homosexual audacity are we doing? 50 00:02:38,960 --> 00:02:40,960 I'm Crystal. And I'm Baby Lane. 51 00:02:40,960 --> 00:02:42,080 Now. You might know us through our 52 00:02:42,080 --> 00:02:44,680 drag alter egos, but we're not getting paid enough money 53 00:02:44,720 --> 00:02:45,640 tonight. I'll be Crystal. 54 00:02:46,040 --> 00:02:49,160 So we are here. We are uncovered. 55 00:02:49,200 --> 00:02:51,760 And do you know what she she's still inside of me. 56 00:02:52,600 --> 00:02:54,280 Baby lame. It's still inside. 57 00:02:54,280 --> 00:02:56,440 Me. So if I drop into a song and 58 00:02:56,440 --> 00:02:58,840 dance number everybody, I can only apologise. 59 00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:02,520 Oh, I or burst into tears. There's a lot of emotions. 60 00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:05,400 Is anyone here already a listener of Camp Classics? 61 00:03:06,320 --> 00:03:11,880 Oh, OK, that's a slightly awkward situation. 62 00:03:11,880 --> 00:03:15,880 What about any haters? Any haters? 63 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:20,280 One hailer at the front? Glad to have you here. 64 00:03:20,400 --> 00:03:23,080 You know what the rest of you? There's still time, actually. 65 00:03:23,560 --> 00:03:26,520 No, but seriously, everybody. Here at Camp Classics, we delve 66 00:03:26,520 --> 00:03:31,520 into true queer camp cinema. We're not talking Mummy Dearest, 67 00:03:31,840 --> 00:03:35,680 we're not talking showgirls. We're talking Basic Instinct 2 68 00:03:35,800 --> 00:03:38,240 risk addiction territory, everybody. 69 00:03:38,240 --> 00:03:41,280 Damn right. The real queer material. 70 00:03:41,280 --> 00:03:45,840 Yeah, and if you were looking for, you know, 2 experts delving 71 00:03:45,840 --> 00:03:49,640 into queer theory in cinema, no refunds. 72 00:03:50,800 --> 00:03:54,560 Not What you've got is 2 unqualified drag Queens who 73 00:03:54,560 --> 00:03:57,080 really like to talk about why they like hot girls being bad. 74 00:03:57,080 --> 00:03:59,680 Yeah. I mean, it makes sense. 75 00:03:59,840 --> 00:04:01,240 So what? How's it all going to work out 76 00:04:01,240 --> 00:04:03,600 tonight then, Crystal? Well, so we have brought three 77 00:04:03,600 --> 00:04:07,120 very special guests who are bringing a film for your 78 00:04:07,120 --> 00:04:11,440 consideration, which isn't considered a queer or camp 79 00:04:11,440 --> 00:04:16,279 classic, but you know, if you squint, maybe could be. 80 00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:19,839 So I'm going to introduce them really soon and we'll bring them 81 00:04:19,839 --> 00:04:23,800 out and then it will be up to you, the audience, to decide 82 00:04:23,800 --> 00:04:28,120 which film becomes a camp classic officially. 83 00:04:28,440 --> 00:04:30,720 It's very high stakes tonight, everybody. 84 00:04:30,720 --> 00:04:34,760 Whoa, Big, big Jeopardy moment for everyone. 85 00:04:34,760 --> 00:04:37,280 Yeah, it's, you know, it could go anyway. 86 00:04:37,280 --> 00:04:40,600 But I think before we get into that, I think we should let 87 00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:43,360 these people know. Baby, yes. 88 00:04:43,560 --> 00:04:46,440 What makes a Camp classic? Well, thank you for asking. 89 00:04:46,440 --> 00:04:48,320 Now there was someone called Susan. 90 00:04:48,320 --> 00:04:51,800 What's the chops? I don't care what her name is. 91 00:04:51,800 --> 00:04:55,280 Here at Camp Classics, we have redefined our own version of 92 00:04:55,280 --> 00:04:58,840 what makes a Camp classic. We want something that unlocks 93 00:04:58,840 --> 00:05:02,800 queer joy in the words of our Lord Savior Megan Fox and 94 00:05:02,800 --> 00:05:06,160 Jennifer's Body. I want to get a wedding. 95 00:05:06,400 --> 00:05:08,200 I want a wedding. We want a wetty. 96 00:05:08,440 --> 00:05:10,440 We want something that is stupid. 97 00:05:10,480 --> 00:05:13,000 We want something with an ongoing legacy that informs 98 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:16,000 queer pop culture. And ultimately it should be anti 99 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:19,560 mainstream with underdog flop vibes that's been reclaimed by 100 00:05:19,560 --> 00:05:22,880 the F slurs. Everybody, thank you. 101 00:05:23,040 --> 00:05:25,640 Thank you. I think that's what Susan Sontag 102 00:05:25,640 --> 00:05:28,880 was trying to say, to be honest. Yeah, it took a whole book. 103 00:05:30,560 --> 00:05:33,280 OK. So you know, I think we've kind 104 00:05:33,280 --> 00:05:37,440 of teed you up of what a camp classic is before we meet our 105 00:05:37,440 --> 00:05:39,800 guests. I think maybe instead of hearing 106 00:05:39,800 --> 00:05:42,600 it, you should also see it. Good idea, Crystal. 107 00:05:42,600 --> 00:05:44,800 Yeah, because sometimes camp is just a feeling. 108 00:05:44,800 --> 00:05:48,160 Yes. So we've brought you a clip from 109 00:05:48,160 --> 00:05:50,280 a film that we've covered on the podcast already. 110 00:05:50,560 --> 00:05:53,640 That is a camp classic. Certified Camp Classic. 111 00:05:53,640 --> 00:05:57,000 It's been given our highest rating ever, which is 10 Lizas. 112 00:05:59,920 --> 00:06:02,800 We've really pulled through the archives now because, you know, 113 00:06:02,960 --> 00:06:06,200 being at such a prestigious festival like BFI Fly Flair, we 114 00:06:06,200 --> 00:06:10,440 fought BFI Fly, BFI Flair. We thought it was suitable to 115 00:06:10,440 --> 00:06:12,800 get a real cinematic masterpiece. 116 00:06:12,800 --> 00:06:14,200 Isn't that right? That's right. 117 00:06:14,200 --> 00:06:16,160 Has anyone seen? I know who killed me? 118 00:06:17,280 --> 00:06:21,440 Yes, yes, yes. OK, let me set the scene. 119 00:06:22,440 --> 00:06:24,280 I think it's fuck. What year are we in? 120 00:06:24,280 --> 00:06:26,400 I think we're 2010. It's Lindsay Lohan. 121 00:06:26,400 --> 00:06:28,040 She's trying to. Rehab Lindsay Lohan. 122 00:06:28,040 --> 00:06:29,600 Yeah. Yeah, she is. 123 00:06:30,160 --> 00:06:32,000 She's in rehab while she's filming this movie. 124 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:34,760 So she's going from rehab to the set. 125 00:06:34,960 --> 00:06:37,560 Yeah. She's trying to break free of 126 00:06:37,560 --> 00:06:42,120 her Disney persona. And she does what everyone must 127 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:44,760 do when they're doing that. And she's playing a stripper. 128 00:06:44,760 --> 00:06:50,200 Yeah, so this just to set up the clip for you a little bit. 129 00:06:50,600 --> 00:06:52,480 Lindsay has just woken up in hospital. 130 00:06:53,280 --> 00:07:00,920 She's missing a hand and she's not sure if she's a bad girl 131 00:07:00,920 --> 00:07:05,360 stripper from the wrong side of the tracks or if she's a good 132 00:07:05,360 --> 00:07:10,320 girl, high school honor student. Let's see what happens. 133 00:07:14,520 --> 00:07:17,200 My name is Aubrey Fleming. I enjoy sunsets. 134 00:07:17,200 --> 00:07:19,400 Long walks on the beach, playing the piano. 135 00:07:20,160 --> 00:07:23,080 I have never seen the inside of a strip club or a crack house 136 00:07:23,200 --> 00:07:26,360 and I have never sold my body to hairy old men with Bo because I 137 00:07:26,360 --> 00:07:29,680 am perfect. Say hello to your new 138 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:36,640 state-of-the-art hand. Your nerve impulses get picked 139 00:07:36,640 --> 00:07:39,920 up by sensors that control 6 different sets of gears and 140 00:07:39,920 --> 00:07:43,040 motors inside the hand, so the movements are incredibly 141 00:07:43,040 --> 00:07:46,280 lifelike and precise. So creepy. 142 00:07:47,760 --> 00:07:51,000 It's beautiful. Camp classic, everybody. 143 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:55,480 Camp classic. I mean, what is the knock in 144 00:07:55,480 --> 00:07:57,880 this film, Crystal? I know in case you're winning, 145 00:07:57,880 --> 00:08:01,640 she will go on to fight a serial killer with that robot hand. 146 00:08:01,680 --> 00:08:05,360 Correct, and in my favorite scene, she will go to her 147 00:08:05,640 --> 00:08:08,840 mother's house that isn't her mother and deliberately fuck a 148 00:08:08,840 --> 00:08:11,520 man in the room above just to piss the mother. 149 00:08:11,520 --> 00:08:12,920 Off. Yeah, well, the mum is furiously 150 00:08:12,920 --> 00:08:14,360 cleaning. I mean, we've all been there. 151 00:08:14,360 --> 00:08:15,520 We've all. Been there, Crystal. 152 00:08:16,760 --> 00:08:18,120 So that is, I know who killed me. 153 00:08:18,120 --> 00:08:20,440 That's the kind of thing we're looking for tonight. 154 00:08:20,600 --> 00:08:25,240 Reclaimed joy, Underdog Flop. It's got it all, really. 155 00:08:25,520 --> 00:08:26,720 Yeah. And you can listen to that. 156 00:08:27,120 --> 00:08:28,960 We've got a full episode about I Know Who Killed Me if you're 157 00:08:28,960 --> 00:08:32,280 interested to hear more. Should we meet our guest 158 00:08:32,280 --> 00:08:34,360 tonight? Yes. 159 00:08:35,240 --> 00:08:36,559 Let's make some noise for our guests. 160 00:08:36,559 --> 00:08:38,000 Let's bring them up here right now. 161 00:08:38,320 --> 00:08:48,720 It's Juno, Charlie, and Travis. First up, we've got Charlie 162 00:08:48,720 --> 00:08:53,560 Craggs, activist, author, Meme Queen, dubbed by British Vogue 163 00:08:53,560 --> 00:08:56,600 as the voice of a community. Give it up for Charlie Craig 164 00:08:56,600 --> 00:08:59,280 and. She's in her juicy tonight as 165 00:08:59,640 --> 00:09:01,360 well. Oh. 166 00:09:02,160 --> 00:09:05,720 To my right is Juno Dawson, best selling author and screenwriter 167 00:09:05,720 --> 00:09:09,200 known for this book is Gay and for the work on Doctor Who, Give 168 00:09:09,200 --> 00:09:12,840 it up for Juno. In the middle we have Travis 169 00:09:12,840 --> 00:09:16,120 Alabanza. Sorry, award-winning performance 170 00:09:16,120 --> 00:09:19,680 artist, writer, and theatre maker Travis Alabanza. 171 00:09:22,120 --> 00:09:25,840 All of these people have their own Wikipedia page, so you know 172 00:09:25,840 --> 00:09:29,760 they're legit. So how are we feeling about our 173 00:09:29,760 --> 00:09:35,880 camp choices tonight, people? I'm, I'm feeling positive after 174 00:09:35,880 --> 00:09:40,760 watching that clip that mine, mine is equally as stupid, yeah. 175 00:09:41,600 --> 00:09:44,760 Perfect, Charlie. I'm feeling galvanized, focused 176 00:09:44,760 --> 00:09:50,560 and ready to take the crown. Fighting words. 177 00:09:50,560 --> 00:09:52,960 This is what we're looking for. And no pressure, do you know? 178 00:09:53,440 --> 00:09:56,960 Mine is a reach. I don't know if I I don't know 179 00:09:56,960 --> 00:10:00,800 if I entirely understood the assignment, but. 180 00:10:01,160 --> 00:10:03,400 She's happy to be here. I'm ready and I'm delighted to 181 00:10:03,400 --> 00:10:05,640 have a glass of wine on a Thursday evening. 182 00:10:06,080 --> 00:10:07,840 Well, this is the thing with all of these movies. 183 00:10:07,840 --> 00:10:10,840 I think all of them are better viewed absolutely drunk, 184 00:10:10,840 --> 00:10:13,240 everybody. So if you have a drink, cheers 185 00:10:13,240 --> 00:10:15,360 and let's get into it everybody. Right. 186 00:10:15,360 --> 00:10:17,640 That is the gay agenda. So what are we starting with 187 00:10:17,640 --> 00:10:20,120 then? Let's find out, Charlie. 188 00:10:20,720 --> 00:10:22,440 I'm ready. Let's see what movie you've 189 00:10:22,440 --> 00:10:24,680 brought. Take it away. 190 00:10:25,120 --> 00:10:30,080 Have it. When the world is in trouble, 191 00:10:31,080 --> 00:10:38,360 when our future is in danger, we call upon one man, but when he's 192 00:10:38,360 --> 00:10:47,760 busy, he calls 5 girls. Columbia Pictures presents the 193 00:10:47,760 --> 00:10:50,120 Spice Girls. All right, we're coming. 194 00:10:50,640 --> 00:10:57,840 In their film debut, Victoria, Emma, Mel B Jerry and Mel C 195 00:10:59,080 --> 00:11:01,200 Spice World. Yeah, but can they act? 196 00:11:01,680 --> 00:11:05,080 Blah blah, blah, girl power feminism. 197 00:11:05,080 --> 00:11:05,880 Do you know what I mean? See. 198 00:11:12,640 --> 00:11:15,160 Yeah, hold tight. There we go. 199 00:11:15,160 --> 00:11:18,280 Blah, blah feminism. You know what I mean? 200 00:11:19,240 --> 00:11:22,640 Strong opening choice. Choice, Charlie. 201 00:11:23,560 --> 00:11:26,680 The film that made me gay and then a drag queen and now 202 00:11:26,680 --> 00:11:28,080 trance. I'm not even exactly. 203 00:11:29,560 --> 00:11:35,320 How many films can say that? I don't know how any no, I win. 204 00:11:35,320 --> 00:11:37,720 Wow, this was so easy. We can all go home. 205 00:11:37,720 --> 00:11:40,680 Why did you bring Spice World? Well, like I said, it is 206 00:11:40,680 --> 00:11:42,440 literally the film. I would have watched it when I 207 00:11:42,440 --> 00:11:44,840 was about. I don't know how. 208 00:11:44,840 --> 00:11:46,600 I'm not very good at maths, but I would have been like young, 209 00:11:46,600 --> 00:11:52,120 like 456. And I remember saying to my mum 210 00:11:52,120 --> 00:11:54,680 not long after watching a film that I wanted to be a girl. 211 00:11:55,720 --> 00:11:59,240 It was the scene in the film. For some reason, it hit me so 212 00:11:59,240 --> 00:12:00,760 deep where they're in the boot camp. 213 00:12:00,760 --> 00:12:02,360 They were like a music boot camp. 214 00:12:02,360 --> 00:12:06,160 And Michael Barrymore's the director, and Cam. 215 00:12:06,320 --> 00:12:08,960 Yeah, Cam. And then every time I say 216 00:12:08,960 --> 00:12:11,360 something that could qualify as the camp classic, you have to 217 00:12:11,360 --> 00:12:13,400 say camp. So they're in a music camp. 218 00:12:14,120 --> 00:12:15,840 Camp, Yeah. Michael Barrymore was a 219 00:12:15,840 --> 00:12:18,160 director. And then they're all coming out 220 00:12:18,280 --> 00:12:19,840 one by hold. On Are we giving Michael 221 00:12:19,840 --> 00:12:22,920 Barrymore a camp? Yes, I see we are gay. 222 00:12:23,400 --> 00:12:28,320 Yeah, he killed someone as Camp Noah Walt anyway. 223 00:12:28,320 --> 00:12:31,520 Allegedly God. Is it 1990 God again? 224 00:12:31,560 --> 00:12:35,320 Anyway, he they come out one by one and they're like gear and 225 00:12:35,320 --> 00:12:37,360 they're like army girl camp kind of. 226 00:12:37,520 --> 00:12:40,000 But then the real camp is that then Victoria comes out last and 227 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:42,080 she's wearing an army mini dress. 228 00:12:42,320 --> 00:12:46,360 And that was I'm not even this is not a bit for this panel that 229 00:12:46,360 --> 00:12:49,640 literally like changed my like chemicals in my brain And I was 230 00:12:49,640 --> 00:12:52,800 like, that's exactly how I feel on the inside. 231 00:12:52,800 --> 00:12:55,480 And I'm not joking about after that, I would go to bed a 232 00:12:55,480 --> 00:12:57,200 Catholic and pray that I'd wake up a girl. 233 00:12:57,760 --> 00:13:00,200 And now I do wake up a girl. Yeah. 234 00:13:01,280 --> 00:13:04,680 So just just before we go in, how much of an affiliation do we 235 00:13:04,680 --> 00:13:06,080 all have with Spice Girls in the audience? 236 00:13:06,080 --> 00:13:08,080 Do we have Spice Girl fans in the audience? 237 00:13:10,600 --> 00:13:12,280 It's not looking good rig though, is it? 238 00:13:12,280 --> 00:13:15,480 OK. I I feel like this is slander 239 00:13:15,480 --> 00:13:17,640 because of the Brooklyn Beckham drama at the moment. 240 00:13:18,080 --> 00:13:18,800 Yes. No, no. 241 00:13:18,920 --> 00:13:20,680 You need to. Get you a chance on this, 242 00:13:20,680 --> 00:13:22,400 Charlie. Period. 243 00:13:22,400 --> 00:13:24,640 Queen Victoria, she made me trans. 244 00:13:25,600 --> 00:13:27,360 I think it's clear. I sit on it and. 245 00:13:27,560 --> 00:13:28,640 What about the rest of our panel? 246 00:13:28,640 --> 00:13:30,760 How are we feeling about Spice Girls in general? 247 00:13:30,760 --> 00:13:34,360 You 2 OK. I think this isn't fair because 248 00:13:34,360 --> 00:13:38,360 I think this is already a qualified classic. 249 00:13:38,360 --> 00:13:40,560 I think Charlie's work is done. Oh. 250 00:13:41,360 --> 00:13:45,520 Whereas Travis and I accusations of cheating all work cut out. 251 00:13:46,080 --> 00:13:47,760 But you know what, Gino? Some people might say it's a bit 252 00:13:47,760 --> 00:13:52,760 of a basic choice and. I'm just saying, I'm saying. 253 00:13:53,240 --> 00:13:56,560 What's actually obvious? I'm a white girl from a council 254 00:13:56,560 --> 00:13:58,960 state where in a juicy control tracksuit I am basic. 255 00:13:58,960 --> 00:14:01,760 This is my culture, do not erase me. 256 00:14:04,840 --> 00:14:08,800 She also you've got a bit of an uphill battle with me because I 257 00:14:08,800 --> 00:14:13,120 have a feud, I mean admittedly 1 sided feud with Jerry Halliwell. 258 00:14:13,240 --> 00:14:15,800 Jerry Halliwell Horner, I think. Of her episode of Yeah. 259 00:14:15,840 --> 00:14:18,320 She fucking sent me home. Oh. 260 00:14:18,360 --> 00:14:20,320 She didn't know she. Gotten it? 261 00:14:20,360 --> 00:14:22,960 She sent something wrong home. You're a liar. 262 00:14:22,960 --> 00:14:23,840 Oh. You're right, actually. 263 00:14:23,960 --> 00:14:26,040 She listened. You said something wrong at. 264 00:14:26,080 --> 00:14:27,880 Home. Can't remember, it was so long 265 00:14:27,880 --> 00:14:29,160 ago. Something wrong? 266 00:14:29,480 --> 00:14:31,960 Something wrong? You're right, yeah, but she's. 267 00:14:31,960 --> 00:14:34,840 Something white? Yeah, sheepish. 268 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:36,520 How do you feel about the Spice Girls? 269 00:14:36,560 --> 00:14:39,000 No, I've just been waiting to see how this plays out in 270 00:14:39,080 --> 00:14:40,640 understanding the terms and. Conditions. 271 00:14:40,640 --> 00:14:43,440 Oh my God. And I feel really competitive 272 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:45,720 all of a sudden. That's what I just want to come 273 00:14:45,720 --> 00:14:49,200 out as competitive and I want to say I think the word camp in the 274 00:14:49,200 --> 00:14:52,160 last 10 years has been overused a lot. 275 00:14:52,360 --> 00:14:55,480 Yes, which means we now have to go post camp camp. 276 00:14:56,280 --> 00:15:00,440 I think this pre the overuse of camp would have won straight 277 00:15:00,440 --> 00:15:06,280 away, but now that queer is now cool and uncool again, we now 278 00:15:06,280 --> 00:15:08,360 need to work harder on what camp is. 279 00:15:08,480 --> 00:15:11,040 I we talk about this on the podcast all the time. 280 00:15:11,040 --> 00:15:16,320 Sometimes meta camp is something that is so good that it becomes 281 00:15:16,320 --> 00:15:20,160 bad that it becomes good again. What I will say is it's making 282 00:15:20,160 --> 00:15:23,440 the criteria for our audience a little bit more complicated, but 283 00:15:23,680 --> 00:15:26,960 we believe in all of you now. I believe you've chosen some 284 00:15:26,960 --> 00:15:29,080 clips. Yes, and let me let me just set 285 00:15:29,080 --> 00:15:30,400 up Spice World a little bit more for you. 286 00:15:30,400 --> 00:15:36,160 So Spice World came out in 1997, written by Kim Fuller, Simon 287 00:15:36,160 --> 00:15:40,400 Fuller's brother Nepo Kim, a man called Kim. 288 00:15:40,520 --> 00:15:42,320 That's camp in itself. That is Kim. 289 00:15:43,560 --> 00:15:47,160 It was a modest hit, $100 million worldwide, but it's only 290 00:15:47,160 --> 00:15:51,040 got 35% on Rotten Tomatoes. That feel that feels very 291 00:15:51,080 --> 00:15:53,080 homophobic. Yeah, yes, underdog. 292 00:15:53,120 --> 00:15:55,520 Tax, you know. Underdog flop vibes. 293 00:15:55,600 --> 00:16:01,640 Yeah, it was nominated for seven Razzies, and the Spice Girls won 294 00:16:01,640 --> 00:16:04,400 the Razzie collectively for Worst Actress. 295 00:16:05,040 --> 00:16:07,200 That is an achievement. That is an achievement. 296 00:16:07,600 --> 00:16:10,520 Last thing to say about Spice World, Roger Ebert listed it on 297 00:16:10,560 --> 00:16:14,080 as one of his most hated films of all time, calling it an 298 00:16:14,080 --> 00:16:19,720 entertainment free Dead Zone. Does anyone know who Roger Eager 299 00:16:19,720 --> 00:16:22,520 is 'cause I don't. Are you him? 300 00:16:23,720 --> 00:16:25,600 Oh, sorry, you looked right. Hand up. 301 00:16:25,600 --> 00:16:27,360 I thought it was you. I was like, Oh no. 302 00:16:27,360 --> 00:16:29,200 No, no, he he's dead. He's dead. 303 00:16:29,240 --> 00:16:30,840 Oh, he's dead. Exactly. 304 00:16:30,840 --> 00:16:34,600 Period to to support your case, Charlie, you've chosen some 305 00:16:34,600 --> 00:16:36,720 clips tonight. I actually chose different 306 00:16:36,720 --> 00:16:38,240 clips. I feel that set up that crystal. 307 00:16:38,240 --> 00:16:41,400 Didn't choose to clip, I pick, but we'll watch one of them 308 00:16:41,400 --> 00:16:43,040 anyway. Get up with the BFI. 309 00:16:43,040 --> 00:16:45,920 OK OK sorry BFI, I picked a really funny 1. 310 00:16:45,960 --> 00:16:47,720 Already. She really is competitive, jeez. 311 00:16:47,760 --> 00:16:49,760 Yeah. Let's take a look at your first 312 00:16:49,760 --> 00:16:52,520 clip or our first clip and we'll discuss further. 313 00:16:52,520 --> 00:16:55,000 OK, take it away. Right on the important never 314 00:16:55,000 --> 00:16:57,640 letting yourself be upstaged. Oh yeah, true. 315 00:16:57,640 --> 00:17:02,520 See. Your mother. 316 00:17:04,480 --> 00:17:08,000 Your mother. Hey Mama, See your big fat? 317 00:17:08,040 --> 00:17:11,440 Mother and your brother-in-law and your mad cousin. 318 00:17:11,599 --> 00:17:15,359 And your next door neighbors dogs now I kill. 319 00:17:15,880 --> 00:17:20,400 You. Boys, boys, calm down. 320 00:17:20,960 --> 00:17:22,880 Have you not heard of the word compromisation? 321 00:17:22,920 --> 00:17:59,800 We agreed on the compromise. Wow, who doesn't love a bit of 322 00:17:59,800 --> 00:18:03,800 Gary Glitter, hey? Cut from the film. 323 00:18:03,840 --> 00:18:06,480 He was meant to be in the film, but then the whole scandal 324 00:18:06,480 --> 00:18:08,360 emerged and he was cut from the film. 325 00:18:08,880 --> 00:18:11,080 I didn't poor that's a Gary Glitter song. 326 00:18:11,640 --> 00:18:13,280 I didn't. I didn't even know that. 327 00:18:13,280 --> 00:18:16,160 I didn't know that. Someone got paid to write that 328 00:18:16,160 --> 00:18:19,640 scene about men and thongs and. Kim Fuller. 329 00:18:19,800 --> 00:18:21,520 Kim Fuller. Kim Fuller. 330 00:18:21,800 --> 00:18:23,480 It's fantastic. It's fantastic. 331 00:18:23,680 --> 00:18:26,880 I mean that it really does go to the, like, gay experience of if 332 00:18:26,880 --> 00:18:29,120 someone's trying to upstage you, just make them wear something 333 00:18:29,120 --> 00:18:30,760 really ugly. Yeah. 334 00:18:30,760 --> 00:18:32,400 What do you what do you think of the clip? 335 00:18:32,600 --> 00:18:34,200 Why did you look at me when you said that? 336 00:18:35,640 --> 00:18:38,040 This is not ironic. This is just my style. 337 00:18:39,200 --> 00:18:40,920 Like I said, I didn't pick this clip. 338 00:18:40,960 --> 00:18:44,120 I picked the clip of Victoria Mount Victoria growing up to a 339 00:18:44,120 --> 00:18:47,520 boy in a coma and saying, and I'm Victoria Malcolm, like 340 00:18:47,520 --> 00:18:52,440 shouting at him as if he'd hear. But I mean, we had bulges. 341 00:18:52,520 --> 00:18:55,040 We had. I'm assuming they're probably 342 00:18:55,040 --> 00:18:56,760 all straight which actually makes it more camp. 343 00:18:56,760 --> 00:18:59,120 Like they look like homophobic hot guys. 344 00:18:59,520 --> 00:19:03,080 I think actually one of them sold a story to the newspapers 345 00:19:03,080 --> 00:19:05,000 that Emma slept with them during it. 346 00:19:05,360 --> 00:19:08,200 Oh. Yeah, and then push by. 347 00:19:08,320 --> 00:19:13,560 All of them. Posh maybe and Posh by This is 348 00:19:13,560 --> 00:19:16,920 the camp it posh by saw the guy who sold that story from the 349 00:19:16,920 --> 00:19:20,640 film in Brent Cross. The most random shopping centre. 350 00:19:20,880 --> 00:19:23,880 You mean they're not Italian? And started on him in Brent 351 00:19:23,880 --> 00:19:27,000 Cross and and and he was with his girlfriend and the 352 00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:29,440 girlfriend took victorious. It's a really good story anyway. 353 00:19:29,760 --> 00:19:32,000 That is, yeah, kind of Fair. Come. 354 00:19:32,080 --> 00:19:34,640 I mean, yeah. Yeah, that's so good. 355 00:19:34,880 --> 00:19:36,280 I think they do a good job of selling that. 356 00:19:36,280 --> 00:19:37,640 They're dancers. And then if you actually pay 357 00:19:37,640 --> 00:19:41,320 attention to them in any other part of the scene, it's Oh my 358 00:19:41,320 --> 00:19:45,040 God, those are just, those are just muscular men who, yeah, 359 00:19:45,200 --> 00:19:47,400 that's fine. All they can do fine by. 360 00:19:47,400 --> 00:19:52,000 How do we feel about Richard E Grant, who is famously a 361 00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:56,040 straight man who has pocketed off of playing gay men in 362 00:19:56,040 --> 00:19:56,520 cinema? Oh. 363 00:19:56,560 --> 00:19:57,960 Really. So I'm so uncultured. 364 00:19:57,960 --> 00:19:59,400 I don't know about Gary Glitter. I don't know about. 365 00:19:59,400 --> 00:20:01,200 Richard, I don't think you need to be cultured to know about 366 00:20:01,200 --> 00:20:03,320 Gary Glitter. I think you're OK with that one. 367 00:20:03,480 --> 00:20:05,840 I think it's OK if no one knows about Gary Glitter. 368 00:20:05,840 --> 00:20:07,360 We just erase him for our history. 369 00:20:07,560 --> 00:20:08,760 But how do we feel about that Junior? 370 00:20:08,760 --> 00:20:12,000 You know how sometimes some people are so posh it sounds 371 00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:15,960 like they have it sounds like they have like a speaking 372 00:20:15,960 --> 00:20:18,960 disorder? Well, I think so. 373 00:20:18,960 --> 00:20:21,920 I'm thinking sometimes we might assume the characters he's 374 00:20:21,920 --> 00:20:23,480 playing a gay, but in fact they're just. 375 00:20:23,480 --> 00:20:26,480 Really posh. Interesting, yes. 376 00:20:26,600 --> 00:20:28,520 Well, that's the problem with this whole clip, isn't it? 377 00:20:28,520 --> 00:20:30,440 Gay or European? That's what we're experiencing 378 00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:35,920 with these Italian dancers. How do we feel about this Spice 379 00:20:35,920 --> 00:20:37,800 Girls acting talents? Who do we? 380 00:20:37,800 --> 00:20:41,000 Who are we feeling is top of the the the crop here? 381 00:20:41,120 --> 00:20:43,640 You just whispered. To me, yeah, yeah, she was in 382 00:20:43,640 --> 00:20:45,480 EastEnders. So she was an actor before? 383 00:20:45,480 --> 00:20:47,920 Did she play in EastEnders? She mugged someone. 384 00:20:47,960 --> 00:20:51,280 She she played a teenage mugger. That's very. 385 00:20:51,280 --> 00:20:54,920 Calm. 4 Spice Girls were asked wow the. 386 00:20:54,960 --> 00:20:58,080 Teenage mugger. Like giving could walk so Amy 387 00:20:58,080 --> 00:21:00,640 Lee Wood could run. Like, I was really thinking 388 00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:00,880 that. Yeah. 389 00:21:00,880 --> 00:21:03,240 Do you see what I mean? Yeah. 390 00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:06,600 Get Emma on like White Lotus right now. 391 00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:10,240 Oh, that's a buzzy casting, isn't it? 392 00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:12,520 We like that. In a weird way, like a dying 393 00:21:12,520 --> 00:21:14,560 buzz, but still a buzz. I actually feel like Jerry 394 00:21:14,560 --> 00:21:17,480 Halliwell has probably had the most successful film career out 395 00:21:17,480 --> 00:21:20,520 of the Spice Girls because she was in that racing movie. 396 00:21:20,520 --> 00:21:24,480 Wasn't she recently? I also had a a cameo insects in 397 00:21:24,480 --> 00:21:25,840 the city. I'm Sex in the City. 398 00:21:25,840 --> 00:21:27,640 Yeah. Samantha Jones. 399 00:21:27,640 --> 00:21:30,800 It's just the best. It's all you can do in this. 400 00:21:30,800 --> 00:21:34,440 Weather misted with Evian. That's going to open up a big 401 00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:37,080 question tonight, which is, can a Tori be camp? 402 00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:41,160 I actually like, and this is where it's like, is camp 403 00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:44,440 something we like or is camp its own own separate entity? 404 00:21:44,760 --> 00:21:49,280 And I'm like, I don't want a Tori to be able to be camp, but 405 00:21:49,280 --> 00:21:52,880 I do think a Tori can be camp and that's going to help my 406 00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:56,400 argument later, OK. Hang on a minute, they said. 407 00:21:56,400 --> 00:21:58,240 We've just planted a seed there. Yeah. 408 00:21:58,480 --> 00:22:01,320 I'm a. Debater this is the problem with 409 00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:03,000 having smart people on the pumpkins. 410 00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:05,800 Crystal just saying we don't normally as we said it's. 411 00:22:05,800 --> 00:22:08,760 Camp as a feeling and sometimes you are laughing with and 412 00:22:08,760 --> 00:22:11,680 sometimes you're laughing at and I think like someone like Suella 413 00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:16,080 Braverman kind of camp. OK. 414 00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:19,800 OK, moving on to our next clip. Charlie, you've got another 415 00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:21,040 clip. Did you choose this one or was 416 00:22:21,040 --> 00:22:21,760 this? I did. 417 00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:25,120 Well, I did choose this one. OK, Do you want to set up what 418 00:22:25,120 --> 00:22:28,800 happens in this clip for us? A bit was left out of the clip. 419 00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:30,760 That's really funny in that, but it helped me win. 420 00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:31,960 Where? Stop. 421 00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:38,600 Whining I So it's where at a part of the film, they meet the 422 00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:41,120 aliens. I thought this is a really 423 00:22:41,120 --> 00:22:43,600 important conversation we should be having as a society. 424 00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:45,840 But like, how? What do we say when we meet the 425 00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:48,880 aliens? So I think you should all listen 426 00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:51,520 to how it's done. But this was where Gary Litter 427 00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:52,640 was caught. He was. 428 00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:54,520 He was going to be an. Alien. 429 00:22:56,600 --> 00:23:16,880 Take it go. What do you want with that? 430 00:23:34,760 --> 00:24:14,920 What is it? Yeah. 431 00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:19,640 What I what I will say is shoulder pads very, very camp on 432 00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:21,840 the aliens. The the bit you don't see is 433 00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:24,680 that they had to describe the aliens and they were like, and 434 00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:27,480 they were green and then virtual said and wearing really cheap 435 00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:31,520 coats. I feel it's rigged. 436 00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:33,160 It's rigged. You didn't put that in for a 437 00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:34,320 reason. Yeah. 438 00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:39,320 I do have one bit of pushback for you, you know, anti camp. 439 00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:40,680 Anti camp pushback. Yeah. 440 00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:44,640 Can it be camp if we're just watching a capitalist 441 00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:48,920 exploitation of young girls? You know, just making some cheap 442 00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:52,080 film to just make as much money as you can off a young audience? 443 00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:55,040 Yes, Great. There we go. 444 00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:55,840 Perfect. Yeah. 445 00:24:56,760 --> 00:24:57,680 OK. Thank you for asking that 446 00:24:57,680 --> 00:25:01,000 question anyway. I feel like UFOs camp. 447 00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:02,320 Have we ever come across yes in our. 448 00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:07,600 Existence before literally last night and anyway I don't I don't 449 00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:10,960 know I did not answer that and what I was going to say is like 450 00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:15,200 Jerry kissing an alien camp like that's camp that what else when 451 00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:16,760 even though. The alien touched her tit. 452 00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:19,520 It was giving Louis Walsh touching Mel B Yeah. 453 00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:20,960 X Factor. Do you remember seeing that 454 00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:21,640 trip? Yeah. 455 00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:23,120 Yeah. He, like, manhandled her. 456 00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:26,120 Yeah. And it was camp that she said no 457 00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:29,640 consent is camp like. Is that what we've? 458 00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:31,440 Got I think. I'd love to bring up the 459 00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:32,520 definition. Is that the? 460 00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:34,320 Same. I feel like Charlie's saying 461 00:25:34,360 --> 00:25:38,600 everything is camp. And also is camp is Victoria 462 00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:41,640 being fat phobic and saying Bosh, you're fat when just find 463 00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:43,040 the belly? I think that's really camp as a 464 00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:45,400 plus that one I can I'm plus sized. 465 00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:47,960 I want to say that what else was camp? 466 00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:49,440 I just thought it was really fun. 467 00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:52,720 And Jerry's use of the word beast as an insult, which 468 00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:55,760 preludes the use of beast on Housewives of Beverly Hills, I 469 00:25:55,760 --> 00:26:01,400 think where she said be quiet, you beast, don't you come, Yeah. 470 00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:02,720 How dare you? Do you know what Charlie? 471 00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:06,680 You give a great argument. But that is the end of Spice 472 00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:08,560 World. We are moving on to our next 473 00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:09,880 film now. Everybody make some noise for 474 00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:14,560 Charlie and her play. Remember everything Charlie 475 00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:15,480 said. I know. 476 00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:16,920 Or don't. It's probably better you don't. 477 00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:18,920 Don't quote me on anything I said. 478 00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:23,880 And we're moving now on to Juno. Should we take a look at your? 479 00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:25,160 Choice. I'm so excited. 480 00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:27,840 It is. Have you heard about this 481 00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:29,840 videotape that kills you when you watch it? 482 00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:35,520 You start to play it and it's like somebody's nightmare. 483 00:26:37,360 --> 00:26:43,040 And as soon as it's over, your phone rings and what they say is 484 00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:54,720 you will die in seven days. OK, there we go. 485 00:26:56,720 --> 00:27:00,040 So a little bit of a swing in a different direction there. 486 00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:02,440 Do you know you're? Going to have to come with me. 487 00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:06,160 We're going to go on a journey together and you will see the 488 00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:08,000 vision by the end. Well, I'm looking forward to 489 00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:09,800 that. But before we get into it, 490 00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:14,920 obviously a film called The Ring is going to get camp points from 491 00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:16,520 the get go. It sounds like a porno. 492 00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:18,440 And do you know what? I did a bit of digging everyone, 493 00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:23,040 and lo and behold, there is a 2003 gay porn tribute called The 494 00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:24,120 Whole. Nice. 495 00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:28,200 So in keeping of that, I wanted to play a little game with 496 00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:31,320 everyone called Porn or Norm. Everybody gets involved with 497 00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:33,160 this. I want to know which of these 498 00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:36,360 horror related titles are real porn movies. 499 00:27:36,360 --> 00:27:41,440 OK, so #1A wet dream on Elm Street porn. 500 00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:45,400 I'm going to say fake just to be different. 501 00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:51,920 Porn. Correct, it is porn 2011. 502 00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:55,760 The tagline was if you don't all wake up wet, you won't wake up 503 00:27:55,760 --> 00:28:02,480 at all. OK, moving on to 28 Dicks later 504 00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:05,480 porn. If it's not, I'm about to put in 505 00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:10,600 the BFI funding. Didn't they just do a sequel 506 00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:12,480 this year? The Bone Temple. 507 00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:19,320 What are? We thinking everyone it's full 508 00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:25,640 spot. Next up, Porn of the Dead. 509 00:28:27,120 --> 00:28:29,400 Porn of the Dead. Porn of the Dead. 510 00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:31,600 That's got to be real. I hope it's. 511 00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:32,920 Real. Porn. 512 00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:37,480 It's it's a real movie, guys. When they're bad, they're real. 513 00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:42,160 2006 and the tagline is The dead always rises. 514 00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:46,120 I love that for us. OK, moving on. 515 00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:49,000 I know who railed me last summer. 516 00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:52,200 No, that's my memoir. What? 517 00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:58,360 Are we thinking porn? Porn. 518 00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:00,000 I'll say fake to be. Different. 519 00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:01,680 It's fake. Gino's right on that one. 520 00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:09,320 OK, And Halloweener. Halloweener porn. 521 00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:11,680 What's the audience thinking? Fake. 522 00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:17,800 It is fake, but apparently it is a 1995 children's book Halloween 523 00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:19,880 in all good bookstores. OK, a couple more. 524 00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:25,040 Now the hills have thighs. The hills have thighs. 525 00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:28,280 Damn right they do. That's true. 526 00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:31,520 Made in 2010 and a favorite of mine. 527 00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:38,280 Pet semen tree cemetery. No it's not real, I just thought 528 00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:40,560 that was quite a funny 1. Apologies for that, but I would 529 00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:42,960 imagine it. Would have been a real splash. 530 00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:47,560 We've only got a couple more. I might just carry on doing this 531 00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:50,960 all night. The Texas Vibrator Massacre. 532 00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:55,520 Work. Han Han. 533 00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:59,560 Correct, it was made in 2008. I couldn't find a tagline, but 534 00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:02,320 this is a quote from one of the characters, Vanessa Dawson. 535 00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:05,440 Oh God, I can practically smell the chlamydia. 536 00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:11,040 We've all been there. OK, two more I spunk on your 537 00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:12,960 grave. Yes, Han. 538 00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:15,800 Well, it's not a film, it's just a statement. 539 00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:20,880 And the final one? XXS Exorcist. 540 00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:22,560 Oh. Nice, that's. 541 00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:29,000 It is porn 2006 and the tagline is. 542 00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:31,640 Your mother sucks cocks in hell. Well, that would be. 543 00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:36,800 And she does, Yeah. When the devil is inside, the 544 00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:41,400 power of Christ compels you. There we go, everybody. 545 00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:43,120 There we go. OK, so there's. 546 00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:45,480 Your mother sucks cocks in hell was right there. 547 00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:48,240 Right. So back to business, Crystal, 548 00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:50,240 tell us about the ring. Oh, yeah, OK. 549 00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:53,960 The Ring, The Ring The Ring Ring was in came out in 2002, 550 00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:57,440 directed by Gore Verbinski and written by Aaron Krueger. 551 00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:03,280 It was a huge hit, $250 million worldwide, 17th highest grossing 552 00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:06,000 movie of 2002, and it had two sequels. 553 00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:09,240 And it's got a really I haven't seen. 554 00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:12,440 Let's see, to be honest, the Ring 2 there's an argument that 555 00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:14,520 would mean even more camp because it has Sissy SpaceX. 556 00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:17,040 Oh well, yeah, that's that's a good reason. 557 00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:20,720 Often the sequel is more camp, and it's got a Rotten Tomatoes 558 00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:24,760 critical score of 72%, so it was very well received as well. 559 00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:28,160 No pressure though. So throwing this over to you, 560 00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:33,480 Juno, talk to us. So I think when you think of 561 00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:37,560 queer people, what's the first thing you think they collect? 562 00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:41,240 Physical media. They like vinyl. 563 00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:46,120 Young young people are collecting cassettes. 564 00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:52,040 Charli XCX has Brat on cassette. Samara or Sadako if you do want 565 00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:53,720 to the Japanese version. Oh, we're not doing that. 566 00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:56,000 We're just doing the American, just the American. 567 00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:59,200 Which is very camping itself. Samara Samara, She loves the 568 00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:02,160 VHS. Even though this was 2002, we 569 00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:07,760 all had DVD players. So she's very trendy. 570 00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:11,400 She's very trendy. She makes art house cinema. 571 00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:16,840 She she wants nothing more than to be perceived. 572 00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:21,240 She's and let's stick with the the art house cinema because she 573 00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:25,160 she's made a lovely movie has. She, she has, I mean, and I 574 00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:30,000 think we all had that phase as teenagers where we thought that, 575 00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:33,400 you know, you could make a pop video and that's what Samara 576 00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:35,400 does. I mean, a lot of these children, 577 00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:39,400 it scares them to death. I think it's could have been a 578 00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:42,120 Madonna video from the Bedtime Stories album. 579 00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:47,880 I think a mid 90s Madonna album. I think you're right. 580 00:32:47,880 --> 00:33:08,640 I think we should check it out. How can I be what you want it to 581 00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:42,920 be? Who uses the landline? 582 00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:47,800 Queer people. You can just imagine Naomi Watts 583 00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:50,280 turning that off and then turning to like art schools 584 00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:53,040 student child and me like. Yeah, it's really good. 585 00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:57,960 I liked it. I'm nothing scarier than a woman 586 00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:00,600 brushing her hair. But do you know what I mean 587 00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:01,840 though? So Samara. 588 00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:03,640 So what does she actually want as a writer? 589 00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:06,120 What does your character want? She wants everybody to 590 00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:09,320 understand that she was murdered by her adoptive parents. 591 00:34:09,679 --> 00:34:14,320 Instead of making a film that says or telling doctors my 592 00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:19,679 parents are abusing me, she makes that shit as a cry for 593 00:34:19,679 --> 00:34:21,760 help. And I find that very calm. 594 00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:27,320 I mean, I think that's a very fair argument. 595 00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:31,080 Is it because as queer people we do turn to art, don't we, as a 596 00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:32,000 way? That. 597 00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:38,679 For podcasting. Now I'm how durationally though, 598 00:34:38,679 --> 00:34:40,280 it's quite a long watch, isn't it? 599 00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:42,080 Do you think that was the right move for her? 600 00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:45,440 Because one thing I will say, Gino is, you know, there's a lot 601 00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:47,800 of talk of her murdering people, but there's not a lot of deaths 602 00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:51,000 in this movie. Could she be a little bit more 603 00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:53,639 efficient? Well. 604 00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:56,840 The thing is, that doesn't really make sense. 605 00:34:56,840 --> 00:35:00,360 If you really think about why the people die, it kind of 606 00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:03,320 doesn't make a lot of sense other than the fact that it took 607 00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:06,400 the real Samara 7 days to die at the bottom of a well. 608 00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:09,120 So I think actually you're slightly minimising her trauma. 609 00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:11,600 Fair enough. Yeah, actually. 610 00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:14,640 And actually dragging out a death is quite camping itself, 611 00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:16,200 isn't it? A seven day death is better. 612 00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:18,040 I mean, that little bitch will not die. 613 00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:21,120 She's Madeleine McCann with black hair. 614 00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:27,640 I mean, Madeleine McCann has never been proven dead, has she? 615 00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:29,640 So. So it's just accurate. 616 00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:31,920 She's just been there editing videos. 617 00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:35,240 OK, now we've got a second clip for you because you know, we, we 618 00:35:35,240 --> 00:35:37,960 just spoke about tomorrow a little bit and she's, she's got 619 00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:41,120 a little bit of Kunti energy about her, hasn't she? 620 00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:45,680 I find her Berry Kunti. Yes, she has been doing her 621 00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:48,960 Pilates. She's been doing her reformer. 622 00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:52,480 Yeah, she she has a signature walk. 623 00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:56,880 Yeah, I think let's take a look at her in action. 624 00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:24,960 Slay he. Was. 625 00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:26,640 Hot. Yeah, he was hot. 626 00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:30,240 And I feel like Charlie XCX was taking something from the mood 627 00:36:30,240 --> 00:36:32,440 board there. Who said Brad Summer is over? 628 00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:36,920 Now, what is it about you, about her, that appeals to you, Juno? 629 00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:43,720 Do you see yourself in her? Yes, I was absolutely terrified 630 00:36:43,720 --> 00:36:47,120 when this film first came out and very calm. 631 00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:50,840 I did watch the Japanese original first because like 632 00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:53,000 Samara, I was a teenage try hard. 633 00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:58,000 I think I was 17 when the Japanese version came out. 634 00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:00,440 And again, it was one of the first sort of films to really go 635 00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:03,680 viral and people were downloading it off a very new 636 00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:07,680 technology called the Internet and and I think yeah, there was 637 00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:09,640 just something she is the moment. 638 00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:15,960 And I think as well in terms of I'm actually being not taking 639 00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:19,720 the piss now, there have been so many imitators. 640 00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:24,400 This The Ring has spawned an entire kind of this boom in kind 641 00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:27,000 of Japanese and Korean horror. There was The Grudge, this 642 00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:29,240 Shutter. Who's ring hasn't? 643 00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:33,120 Who's ring hasn't? And so I think, I think Samara 644 00:37:33,720 --> 00:37:35,360 really, and actually this is not a joke. 645 00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:37,560 Samara is iconic. Yeah. 646 00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:40,960 And just throwing it to the panel in general, how do we feel 647 00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:44,560 about murder and horror in the sphere of camp? 648 00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:47,600 Is it camp? It's camp if it's done bad. 649 00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:49,800 I think this is too good to be camp. 650 00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:54,360 Oh. OK, I just think, sorry, I'm 651 00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:55,960 really taking the debates so serious. 652 00:37:58,080 --> 00:37:59,600 I put on makeup, so I have to turn up. 653 00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:04,760 But I just think that like it's actually, for the time, was a 654 00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:08,840 really good horror movie. And I would argue that it's just 655 00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:12,800 like a camp classic or something that becomes a camp classic has 656 00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:15,640 to at first be seen as ridiculous. 657 00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:18,280 And I don't think this was seen at this was I was kind of 658 00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:20,880 watching the fine art and like I've seen worse things at CSM. 659 00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:26,120 We we all have. But I think, but I think what's 660 00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:28,760 been interesting about a bit like The Sixth Sense as well, it 661 00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:32,920 was so immediately parodied that I think people have forgotten 662 00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:36,240 how scary The Ring was. And I think Scary Movie took the 663 00:38:36,240 --> 00:38:37,640 piss within a year. And. 664 00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:41,160 So I think it's very hard to see, although was there anybody 665 00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:43,800 actually I'm interested, is there anybody who had never seen 666 00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:47,760 that before? Was it scary seeing it for the 667 00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:50,960 first time? You're all going to die in seven 668 00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:51,800 days. I hope you actually. 669 00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:55,000 You've now seen the film, so you're going to die in seven 670 00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:57,000 days. I haven't seen it since it came 671 00:38:57,000 --> 00:38:59,640 out and I cannot believe I found that scary. 672 00:38:59,880 --> 00:39:02,880 Yeah, interesting. It looks actually so dead. 673 00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:07,000 Now, when when we were talking to you all about camp, when we 674 00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:10,240 were talking to all about this movie, you sent over some points 675 00:39:10,240 --> 00:39:11,880 and some other points where you thought this film was camp. 676 00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:14,680 There is a clip that Juno suggested that we didn't have 677 00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:19,120 time to show which involved a horse and jumping over the edge 678 00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:22,640 of a large boat and basically getting blended up around the 679 00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:24,560 bottom of it and it's guts blowing out. 680 00:39:25,720 --> 00:39:30,080 Camp, camp. But I, I think, I think being, 681 00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:35,920 being a big Sissy around animals is very quick guarded. 682 00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:40,160 The fact that Samara couldn't fuck with horses is giving kind 683 00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:42,920 of the horses. Come on, it's a horse. 684 00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:46,200 And actually I've had conversations with people, with 685 00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:47,960 gay people who have said to me, I don't like horses. 686 00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:51,560 They freak me out because they have big eyelashes which is like 687 00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:58,720 jealous of their eyelashes. M phobia is alive and kicking. 688 00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:02,920 So animal cruelty is camp. In no. 689 00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:05,400 You heard it here for. Animal cruelty. 690 00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:08,800 We would never be cruel tunnels but I think be pretending to be 691 00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:13,200 scared of animals camp. And, and just I'm just going to 692 00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:15,400 give you another little minute. Anything else you want to say on 693 00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:18,760 this movie before you wrap up? Actually, I really like what 694 00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:22,400 Travis said about maybe the ring actually being too legitimately 695 00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:25,880 good. But how has it been rendered 696 00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:27,680 camp through mockery? That's what I would. 697 00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:29,560 That's what I would lead. Good point. 698 00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:30,080 Good. Point. 699 00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:32,000 Well, luckily. Oh, and it's a very good 700 00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:35,440 Halloween costume, Cam. It makes some marrows. 701 00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:43,760 Thank you. Yeah, but luckily we go from a 702 00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:46,200 relatively highbrow choice to your choice. 703 00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:48,000 Now, Travis, don't we? Should we take a look at the 704 00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:54,520 film you've chosen tonight? Oh, hit it. 705 00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:11,120 He's a cop in a class by himself. 706 00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:17,120 He is fearless, unstoppable, unbeatable. 707 00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:27,600 I forgot to introduce myself. My name is John Kimball and I 708 00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:30,120 love my car. Yo, man, I'm just going to keep 709 00:41:30,120 --> 00:41:34,480 an eye on it for you, all right? No, he's going undercover to 710 00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:36,360 face his toughest adversary. Listen. 711 00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:40,280 Kimball, you got to handle this like any other police situation. 712 00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:44,840 They speak their own language. You walk into it showing fear. 713 00:41:45,120 --> 00:41:49,800 Shit dead. They play by their own rules. 714 00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:57,440 No Fear, No Fear. And they are totally ruthless. 715 00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:07,880 No Fear, No Fear. That teacher. 716 00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:11,480 Is. Teaching the. 717 00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:17,360 Kindergarten cop, American history and practical man. 718 00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:21,560 He's a cop in a class by himself. 719 00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:27,760 What's the matter? I have a headache. 720 00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:31,000 It might be a tumour. It's not a tumour. 721 00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:36,760 It's not a tumour at. All I like to just explain why 722 00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:40,800 he's doing it. That's the worst trailer over 723 00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:43,200 here. Why is he doing it? 724 00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:44,920 Why is he? Why is he there? 725 00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:49,200 It's. Not a scared, I even felt like 726 00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:51,240 the applause after that film was camper. 727 00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:57,040 Travis, why did you bring kindergarten card? 728 00:42:57,320 --> 00:43:00,840 Look, so who's watched the film? Yeah, OK, great. 729 00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:05,200 So like the trailer doesn't do a very good job, but like, it 730 00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:07,080 doesn't actually. There's a lot of lesbian arrasia 731 00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:09,720 happening in the trailer. The main to the. 732 00:43:09,720 --> 00:43:13,080 Film is because I think every woman character in that film is 733 00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:17,440 Butch type realness, including in that film Arnold. 734 00:43:22,520 --> 00:43:24,600 Here's some things, and obviously I preface this all 735 00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:26,640 with a cab, a cab, a cab. But here's some things. 736 00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:30,880 Here's some things that are camp about the film. 737 00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:35,520 One, at this point, he's in the height of his action like movie 738 00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:37,440 career. He is like seen as the toughest 739 00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:40,560 person possible and he thought he could break out into comedy 740 00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:44,600 #2 delusion. There are so many women in power 741 00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:47,320 suits going around saying weird things to him. 742 00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:52,000 Free the kids. They all have the energy of kids 743 00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:56,480 that have lived like 1000 years. And when they say lines, you're 744 00:43:56,480 --> 00:43:57,960 like. What the fuck, children? 745 00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:00,120 The children are all so gay. Children are. 746 00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:03,440 So gay. Everyone has a helmet fringe. 747 00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:06,640 It doesn't matter how old they are, what gender they are, 748 00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:08,560 whatever's happening, they've got a helmet fringe. 749 00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:11,600 Also, the film starts in a salon. 750 00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:13,480 There's something quite camp about. 751 00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:15,680 Like at camp? There's. 752 00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:19,520 A salon there's like this old school glamour to everything 753 00:44:19,520 --> 00:44:23,120 where like everyone is both like a kindergarten, a cop, but also 754 00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:26,560 like an 80s powerhouse like fashion vibe that feels already 755 00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:29,200 camp Every single villain in oh, this is it. 756 00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:30,680 Sorry, main reason closing statement. 757 00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:34,000 The main villain you think is this like guy with the slicked 758 00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:37,840 back hair who's kind of giving like Italian like any of colour 759 00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:41,760 vibes like and that was like a joke on Italian people sometimes 760 00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:45,160 anyway. But the actual villain is his 761 00:44:45,160 --> 00:44:49,080 grandma or his mother, who's very like ageing, has a huge 762 00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:52,880 quiff and a power suit and she holds a gun and she shoots and 763 00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:56,200 she's mean, which I think is a staple to being a camp classic. 764 00:44:56,560 --> 00:44:58,320 Yeah, we'll come back to her for sure. 765 00:44:58,320 --> 00:44:59,760 Well. We've got an applause there for 766 00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:03,560 this Bam bam, bam bam bam Charlie. 767 00:45:03,560 --> 00:45:05,840 Do you know do you have any association with this movie? 768 00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:07,480 No one comes out of a television. 769 00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:15,120 No one kisses an alien, Yeah. True. 770 00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:20,600 Fuck, you got me this. Movie opens, as you said, in a 771 00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:24,360 salon and the villain of the piece is getting a manicure and 772 00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:25,560 it's like, not even. It's not. 773 00:45:25,560 --> 00:45:27,760 That's just serious. No, but it's like it's not even 774 00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:30,960 done in like a no, no, no how emasculating for this man. 775 00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:34,080 It's just like he's a tough guy and he's getting a manicure. 776 00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:37,280 That's how the movie starts and it's it's honestly incredible. 777 00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:40,840 Also, like I feel like just to go back to Arnold Schwarzenegger 778 00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:44,280 being a lesbian, like I feel like he becomes more of a 779 00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:46,800 lesbian throughout the film. And there's this thing where 780 00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:49,600 like, of course, because it was Hollywood, he eventually gets 781 00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:51,480 with the blonde woman that's really pretty. 782 00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:54,320 And but in the middle of the film you wonder if he's going to 783 00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:56,360 get with his cop. Like there's a bit of sexual 784 00:45:56,360 --> 00:45:59,800 tension between him and his cop counterpart who is so lesbian 785 00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:03,880 coded and ginger. And I think those two things 786 00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:09,760 together is camp and and and and and and. 787 00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:13,560 I just think you can't look at him without seeing the 788 00:46:13,560 --> 00:46:16,160 Terminator. And there's something inherently 789 00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:19,120 camp about the Terminator going, you know what, call up my agent. 790 00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:22,360 The next movie I want to do is as a primary school teacher. 791 00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:26,000 He took a big swings. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 792 00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:27,680 He took a big swings he got. Pregnant. 793 00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:29,440 He got pregnant. Oh, he did get. 794 00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:31,480 Pregnant. What a versatile. 795 00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:35,520 Action, yeah. Conan to Kindergarten Cop like 796 00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:37,520 he's really done the full spectrum. 797 00:46:37,520 --> 00:46:40,240 Yeah, and maybe if we loved him and celebrated more, he wouldn't 798 00:46:40,240 --> 00:46:43,320 be a Republican right now. Because I was like, are we, are 799 00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:45,360 we now celebrating? Oh, I was watching it well. 800 00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:48,640 Here This is why I planted the seed earlier about Canatori B 801 00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:53,400 camp because. Everybody was like leaning in 802 00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:54,000 there. They're like. 803 00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:57,760 Oh, to drop that seed. Obviously we know where he went, 804 00:46:58,120 --> 00:47:01,400 but I thought the task of today was not about what's already a 805 00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:03,400 camp classic, but what has been left out. 806 00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:05,720 The cannon. Watching it and knowing he was 807 00:47:05,720 --> 00:47:10,280 once an action superhero man and is then had a brief stint as a 808 00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:12,920 Republican. Like, what was he, governor? 809 00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:16,120 Governor. But in some point in time he 810 00:47:16,120 --> 00:47:19,960 could have went on making bad children movies that aren't 811 00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:22,120 children, movies that look lesbian. 812 00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:27,240 Please see Kindergarten Cop 2 starring Dolph Lundgren. 813 00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:29,280 Thank you. Is that real? 814 00:47:29,600 --> 00:47:33,960 Yes, Kindergarten Cop 2 also have a sequel to have a sequel. 815 00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:37,320 I love a junky sequel, but I did not know Dolph was doing that. 816 00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:39,160 That is. Also, how can you jank on Jack? 817 00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:41,960 You know already. It's already janky. 818 00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:47,920 Now you mentioned a power granny killer moment and I think we 819 00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:48,760 have a clip of it. Don't. 820 00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:51,120 We we're not there yet. 1st I'm sorry. 821 00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:53,240 Sorry, Crystal. No, it's fine. 822 00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:56,680 But our first clip is about something I think is relatable 823 00:47:56,680 --> 00:47:59,800 to the queer experience, and that is not having any fucking 824 00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:03,240 idea what to do with children. Everyone's. 825 00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:07,880 Now let's everybody say good morning, Mr. Kimball. 826 00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:16,320 Good morning. They're all yours. 827 00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:21,520 I'll be watching you. I'm very happy to be here. 828 00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:26,080 Lesbian. I would like to just get to know 829 00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:42,120 you. It's not a tumor. 830 00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:46,200 I literally can't now. You have said that Arnie's 831 00:48:46,200 --> 00:48:48,880 playing a Butch lesbian. That's that's just all I can see 832 00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:49,760 now. It's fabulous. 833 00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:52,400 Yeah, even the costume department, like you can just 834 00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:55,600 tell there's some real Queens behind the scene, really making 835 00:48:55,600 --> 00:48:59,080 those, like, everything cinched. Like every, like a primary 836 00:48:59,080 --> 00:49:01,440 school teacher there has like, a cinched waist and like, some 837 00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:03,000 padding. And I'm like, yeah, a drag 838 00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:05,640 queen. That is not the last time we'll 839 00:49:05,640 --> 00:49:09,720 see that woman in a bat wing cinched cowl neck sweater dress. 840 00:49:09,720 --> 00:49:11,480 Yeah, Juno was gasping. How? 841 00:49:11,560 --> 00:49:13,240 Constantly. Yeah, it was because I used to 842 00:49:13,240 --> 00:49:16,360 be a primary school teacher. The idea that you would wear a 843 00:49:16,360 --> 00:49:20,560 heel, Yeah. What's wrong with? 844 00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:22,120 Her. Every woman in that film is 845 00:49:22,120 --> 00:49:24,720 doing like crazy things and in a heel, you know? 846 00:49:25,840 --> 00:49:29,200 Yeah, absolutely. Should we up the next one? 847 00:49:29,200 --> 00:49:30,600 Yeah. Well, also just before we get to 848 00:49:30,600 --> 00:49:32,960 that very quickly, how do we feel about children, a children 849 00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:36,360 camp? Oh, it has to be always. 850 00:49:36,360 --> 00:49:39,960 Is that how do we feel? Samara's a child, so yeah, camp. 851 00:49:39,960 --> 00:49:45,360 OK, Yeah. I No, not inherently. 852 00:49:45,360 --> 00:49:47,720 Yep. But when they say silly things 853 00:49:47,720 --> 00:49:51,040 in movies, yes, you know, like I think if the kids precocious. 854 00:49:51,280 --> 00:49:55,000 Like the child in Babadook camp, Very camp, very camp. 855 00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:58,160 Charlie. It's a no from me dog. 856 00:50:01,040 --> 00:50:03,560 Well, from one end of the spectrum to the other, to old 857 00:50:03,560 --> 00:50:07,600 people now to the granny killer, yes, she's she's got a lot going 858 00:50:07,600 --> 00:50:10,120 on now, hasn't she? I feel like having her as the 859 00:50:10,120 --> 00:50:12,080 main villain is like inherently camp. 860 00:50:12,080 --> 00:50:14,200 Now I will own up. I don't remember what clip you 861 00:50:14,200 --> 00:50:18,040 did pick. I'm hoping it has the iconic 862 00:50:18,720 --> 00:50:20,760 phrase, Isn't it not? We'll. 863 00:50:20,760 --> 00:50:21,920 We'll see. We'll see. 864 00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:25,560 We will find out. Let's meet our psycho granny. 865 00:50:26,800 --> 00:50:43,980 I hate it, sorry. Where's my grandson? 866 00:50:45,500 --> 00:50:51,980 Yes, I don't know. Where's my grandson go to? 867 00:50:53,540 --> 00:50:58,600 Hell. You're going you. 868 00:50:58,960 --> 00:51:08,800 Son of A. Bitch. 869 00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:19,200 Not so tough without your car. Now I do not support gay on gay 870 00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:24,720 crime but. When was the last time you saw a 871 00:51:24,720 --> 00:51:28,280 movie end with an old woman getting beat up at a base on 872 00:51:28,320 --> 00:51:30,080 that? Also the fact that this is like 873 00:51:30,080 --> 00:51:32,680 PG rating and I like watch this when I was 7. 874 00:51:32,680 --> 00:51:34,840 The tone of this. Movie is so confusing. 875 00:51:34,840 --> 00:51:37,640 I've never saw it because I thought it was a kids movie and 876 00:51:37,640 --> 00:51:40,000 so I watched it this week. It is not a kids. 877 00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:42,800 Movie and my mum was there like thinking it was like because it 878 00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:46,320 says PG or like I think it's even a you and some ratings and 879 00:51:46,320 --> 00:51:48,000 my mum's like, OK, cool, you're watching a kids movie. 880 00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:49,600 Put it on and I'm there. Like watching movies like 881 00:51:49,600 --> 00:51:53,040 Grannies Beat each other up. Yeah, don't you see a dead body 882 00:51:53,040 --> 00:51:53,440 at 1:00? Point. 883 00:51:53,440 --> 00:51:55,000 Yeah, it's. Like an actual cop. 884 00:51:55,000 --> 00:51:58,000 And it but it was advertised as a kids movie, which obviously I 885 00:51:58,000 --> 00:52:02,200 don't think is good but is camp. Three. 886 00:52:02,440 --> 00:52:06,120 That's T on a three. Corpses, yeah, 3 corpses, like a 887 00:52:06,120 --> 00:52:09,200 lot of like innuendo, like yeah, there's a lot going on. 888 00:52:09,440 --> 00:52:12,280 I think it's a 12 domestic. Domestic violence. 889 00:52:12,320 --> 00:52:14,280 Domestic violence. There's lots of yeah, it's like 890 00:52:14,280 --> 00:52:17,960 really dark. It's real life kids, OK to get 891 00:52:17,960 --> 00:52:21,160 these kids up to scratch. But I think like I could be here 892 00:52:21,160 --> 00:52:23,360 and make my closing argument and I've clearly taken this a bit 893 00:52:23,360 --> 00:52:27,320 serious, but I would just say the gasp is all I need to say. 894 00:52:27,320 --> 00:52:29,280 Like that gasp after the shot and they go. 895 00:52:30,600 --> 00:52:33,520 I rest my case. What I would say though is if I 896 00:52:33,520 --> 00:52:35,800 was the ginger lesbian with the baseball bat, I would have 897 00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:37,400 smashed that granny in the fucking face. 898 00:52:37,400 --> 00:52:39,280 You know what I mean? Not the hand you go. 899 00:52:39,320 --> 00:52:41,440 Straight to the. Canonically not gay. 900 00:52:41,440 --> 00:52:42,800 She has a boyfriend. Yeah. 901 00:52:43,240 --> 00:52:44,520 Oh, is that? Oh God. 902 00:52:45,080 --> 00:52:47,200 Yeah, the ginger lesbian is from my film. 903 00:52:47,680 --> 00:52:49,360 Yeah, that was a Spice Girls joke. 904 00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:52,840 Well, yeah, they got together, Mel B and Jerry. 905 00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:55,680 Allegedly. Just last, last question about 906 00:52:55,680 --> 00:52:59,160 Kindergarten Cup, do you think that the older woman is, is that 907 00:52:59,160 --> 00:53:02,400 a wig is a piece? It's an important question 908 00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:04,000 because. There's a lot of volume at the 909 00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:06,040 back. When we dissect films, we often 910 00:53:06,040 --> 00:53:08,080 talk about whether it's a wig, it's a hairpiece. 911 00:53:08,080 --> 00:53:10,360 What do we think was going on in that scene? 912 00:53:10,360 --> 00:53:11,480 Everyone. It's a lot of. 913 00:53:11,520 --> 00:53:13,040 Always a wig. That's what it went. 914 00:53:13,080 --> 00:53:16,080 From what I've learned in TV, it's always a wig and there's a 915 00:53:16,080 --> 00:53:19,600 reason for it because then and then the hair and makeup, people 916 00:53:19,800 --> 00:53:23,520 can style the hair without needing to talk to an actor, 917 00:53:23,880 --> 00:53:26,120 which is usually preferable if I'm honest. 918 00:53:26,680 --> 00:53:28,600 So that's why it's all it's always a wig. 919 00:53:28,600 --> 00:53:31,040 Even if somebody has really boring hair, it's a wig. 920 00:53:31,120 --> 00:53:33,320 As a slight side point, it always makes me angry in 921 00:53:33,320 --> 00:53:36,520 musicals how they don't lose the weight, their lace pants down. 922 00:53:36,520 --> 00:53:38,680 You know how it's all just like they're trunk it on and it's 923 00:53:38,680 --> 00:53:40,000 just growing out there. Yeah. 924 00:53:40,280 --> 00:53:41,920 Not a fan of that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 925 00:53:42,080 --> 00:53:44,760 Nothing to do with films, everybody, but just wanted to 926 00:53:44,760 --> 00:53:46,080 say that. No important. 927 00:53:46,160 --> 00:53:51,880 So that's the end of. Our clips and I think it's time 928 00:53:51,880 --> 00:53:56,480 to decide which of those 3 movies is going to be entered 929 00:53:56,480 --> 00:53:59,120 into the Camp Classics Hall of Fame. 930 00:53:59,360 --> 00:54:00,680 Now this is how it's going to work. 931 00:54:01,000 --> 00:54:06,040 We are going to allow all of our panelists 30 seconds to fight 932 00:54:06,080 --> 00:54:08,800 their case. Then afterwards, it will be down 933 00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:13,480 to you, our esteemed audience, to decide which movie is clearly 934 00:54:13,480 --> 00:54:17,960 beloved. So we're going to be starting 935 00:54:17,960 --> 00:54:19,680 with you, Charlie. I'm ready. 936 00:54:20,040 --> 00:54:21,960 In three. Some determination. 937 00:54:23,840 --> 00:54:25,920 No, it needed to. Be I was waiting for. 938 00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:29,440 That of course, in 321-GO. I'm going. 939 00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:32,480 To take my time. So remember I told you the story 940 00:54:32,480 --> 00:54:36,960 about Victoria making me trans? What number are we on now? 941 00:54:37,360 --> 00:54:43,880 On 7/8 seconds. Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, 942 00:54:43,880 --> 00:54:47,920 yes, yes, Mama. Oh, the lights are on. 943 00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:51,040 Oh, my God, she's got another. What? 944 00:54:51,040 --> 00:54:52,000 Fuck it. Actually. 945 00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:54,040 Take as long as you want, Charlie, Go on. 946 00:54:54,040 --> 00:54:56,640 I was going to say, you've got five more seconds. 947 00:54:57,680 --> 00:54:59,080 Now you've got as long as she needs. 948 00:54:59,080 --> 00:55:01,400 Go on. As long as she needs. 949 00:55:01,600 --> 00:55:04,120 Oh, yes, baby. Yes. 950 00:55:16,640 --> 00:55:18,440 I mean anything else. I mean, I don't care. 951 00:55:18,440 --> 00:55:19,960 About I think that's. Pop that. 952 00:55:20,200 --> 00:55:22,000 OK. That's it all. 953 00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:27,480 OK, I don't know what, I don't know what you're going to do, 954 00:55:27,480 --> 00:55:30,600 you know, but you've got 30 seconds going now I'm. 955 00:55:30,640 --> 00:55:32,480 Going to kill you all in seven days. 956 00:55:35,320 --> 00:55:39,000 I think if you really think about it, Samara is a little 957 00:55:39,000 --> 00:55:42,600 queer child. She just wants to go viral. 958 00:55:42,600 --> 00:55:48,080 It's called the ring, but what does it look like? 959 00:55:48,120 --> 00:55:51,640 A fucking ring light. She's the world's first 960 00:55:51,720 --> 00:55:55,640 influencer. Without her, where would be? 961 00:55:55,760 --> 00:56:00,360 I think basically she invented the concept of going viral. 962 00:56:00,720 --> 00:56:05,440 And I think nowadays that is what can be more calm than 963 00:56:05,440 --> 00:56:08,960 having a viral moment, you know, without Samara. 964 00:56:08,960 --> 00:56:10,760 I'm an influencer guys. That was pointed. 965 00:56:10,880 --> 00:56:13,080 But without Samara, we couldn't have had Charlie Craggs. 966 00:56:13,200 --> 00:56:15,280 OK, that's TI vote for. That that's the end of that 967 00:56:15,280 --> 00:56:16,320 time. Thank you. 968 00:56:16,760 --> 00:56:22,280 Thank you too. Now now Travis 321-GO. 969 00:56:23,000 --> 00:56:25,880 I do think taking things too seriously is a camp point 970 00:56:25,880 --> 00:56:29,720 against me, but if I could win you back I would say that in my 971 00:56:29,720 --> 00:56:34,560 debate one film was already too good to be camp and the other 972 00:56:34,560 --> 00:56:37,840 film the people in it were already rich and like. 973 00:56:39,320 --> 00:56:41,680 And halfway to Tory. Like Arnold but didn't have 974 00:56:41,680 --> 00:56:44,240 something to prove. Arnold had a dream to try and 975 00:56:44,240 --> 00:56:48,840 see if he could make people laugh and at the same time all 976 00:56:48,840 --> 00:56:51,800 those kids looked like people we've all seen in Dalston 977 00:56:51,800 --> 00:56:56,920 Superstore. 10 seconds now. Nothing was camper than that. 978 00:56:56,920 --> 00:56:58,560 I'll leave you with my closing argument. 979 00:57:05,760 --> 00:57:08,520 OK, we're going to pass it to the audience. 980 00:57:08,520 --> 00:57:13,840 We're going to vote by applause. So get your answer ready. 981 00:57:13,840 --> 00:57:16,800 It's very technical, everyone. Feels very unscientific. 982 00:57:16,840 --> 00:57:22,360 Yeah, well, we're gay. And you know what? 983 00:57:22,680 --> 00:57:26,000 There can only be 1 winner tonight because otherwise the 984 00:57:26,000 --> 00:57:28,640 whole format of the evening would be a bit of throwaway, 985 00:57:28,640 --> 00:57:29,440 wasn't it? Because still. 986 00:57:29,440 --> 00:57:34,600 So we one vote only make noise for the film you think is 987 00:57:34,600 --> 00:57:39,440 clearly beloved. If you think Spice World is a 988 00:57:39,440 --> 00:57:43,240 camp classic, make some noise now, everybody. 989 00:57:44,760 --> 00:57:47,720 I was going to say, guys, I'm looking at everyone who didn't 990 00:57:47,720 --> 00:57:50,360 clap. I will never follow you back on 991 00:57:50,360 --> 00:57:51,560 Instagram. None of you. 992 00:57:52,360 --> 00:57:57,280 OK, and if you think the ring is a camp classic, clap your hands 993 00:57:57,280 --> 00:58:04,280 now. OK, which leaves us with 994 00:58:04,600 --> 00:58:06,520 Kindergarten Cop Make some noise. 995 00:58:12,200 --> 00:58:14,440 Lesbians. Lesbians. 996 00:58:14,720 --> 00:58:17,760 Arnold has it. Give it up for Kindergarten Cop 997 00:58:17,760 --> 00:58:22,680 and Travis. Alabanza account awards winning. 998 00:58:24,120 --> 00:58:29,280 Officially, I actually did bring a grand prize, but it's I forgot 999 00:58:29,280 --> 00:58:32,480 it in the green room. It's it's, it's your own 1000 00:58:32,480 --> 00:58:41,600 personal bottle of VHS cleaner. But do you know what everybody, 1001 00:58:41,600 --> 00:58:44,920 Because we have such an amazing panel tonight and I think you 1002 00:58:44,920 --> 00:58:47,360 can all agree they have been fucking brilliant tonight. 1003 00:58:47,640 --> 00:58:50,480 They all go away with the bossel of poppers. 1004 00:58:52,360 --> 00:58:56,200 Poppers you get poppers, you get poppers and if you all look 1005 00:58:56,200 --> 00:58:57,320 under your. Seat. 1006 00:58:57,480 --> 00:59:00,800 Right in fact. We, instead of the smoke system 1007 00:59:00,800 --> 00:59:04,080 we have put in poppers, we're going to huff them all in and 1008 00:59:04,080 --> 00:59:06,760 we're all just going to rot until we go out on that. 1009 00:59:06,760 --> 00:59:09,640 Everybody. No, seriously, thank you so much 1010 00:59:09,760 --> 00:59:12,760 BFI Flair for having us tonight. It's been an amazing time. 1011 00:59:12,760 --> 00:59:16,040 I hope you've all had a good evening with us at Camp Class 6. 1012 00:59:16,320 --> 00:59:19,080 Please follow us. There's none of you know who we 1013 00:59:19,080 --> 00:59:20,400 are. We are camp classics. 1014 00:59:20,560 --> 00:59:23,200 There's lots of episodes for you to go back and listen to. 1015 00:59:23,360 --> 00:59:24,600 Yeah. And again, thank you so much for 1016 00:59:24,600 --> 00:59:26,360 the BFI for having us. Thank you, Darren. 1017 00:59:26,360 --> 00:59:29,360 Thank you, Aaron, and thank you to our amazing guest. 1018 00:59:29,360 --> 00:59:31,520 Yeah. Once again, Charlie Craig's Come 1019 00:59:32,080 --> 00:59:36,320 on. Travis Alabanza and Gina Dawson, 1020 00:59:36,320 --> 00:59:39,960 everyone. And Crystal and baby everyone. 1021 00:59:41,240 --> 00:59:46,200 Thank you. Play our theme song. 1022 00:59:47,720 --> 00:59:48,880 Get it? Get it. 1023 00:59:48,880 --> 00:59:50,800 Get away from her. You. 1024 00:59:50,960 --> 00:59:56,320 Bitch Classic. He was in the Amazon with my mom 1025 00:59:56,400 --> 00:59:59,080 when she was researching spiders right before she died. 1026 01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:03,200 No. Hannah, you. 1027 01:00:05,360 --> 01:00:06,960 Thought you become a prostitute or a dog. 1028 01:00:07,000 --> 01:00:10,880 Edit I used to love doggy chow. I. 1029 01:00:11,040 --> 01:00:12,400 Used to love doggy chow too.