1 00:00:00,440 --> 00:00:04,840 Get away from her you bitch. Classic. 2 00:00:05,680 --> 00:00:09,120 He was in the Amazon cry along when she was researching spiders 3 00:00:09,120 --> 00:00:16,960 right before she died. No, I thought you could call a 4 00:00:16,960 --> 00:00:18,240 prostitute or a. Dog at it. 5 00:00:18,640 --> 00:00:23,440 I used to love doggy chow. I used to love doggy chow too. 6 00:00:24,360 --> 00:00:27,280 I feel like we've got the same one, so should we do it at the 7 00:00:27,280 --> 00:00:28,440 same time? OK. 8 00:00:28,560 --> 00:00:33,960 Yeah. Lights, camera and me without a 9 00:00:33,960 --> 00:00:39,240 stitch of makeup on. Oh God, we're OK. 10 00:00:39,920 --> 00:00:42,640 There's so many fucking ones to go in this, but that had to be 11 00:00:42,680 --> 00:00:44,720 had. To be the one I'm Crystal. 12 00:00:44,720 --> 00:00:46,680 And I'm baby name. Welcome to camp. 13 00:00:46,680 --> 00:00:48,520 Classic. A thoughtful podcast about 14 00:00:48,520 --> 00:00:52,280 stupid movies. Every two weeks we're here 15 00:00:52,320 --> 00:00:55,920 discussing queer movies and why queer people love them and. 16 00:00:55,920 --> 00:00:57,560 Do you know what? I'm glad that we've got you 17 00:00:57,560 --> 00:01:00,520 because you're always doing these kind of like news spots, 18 00:01:00,520 --> 00:01:02,480 You know, you're really into your activism and stuff. 19 00:01:02,480 --> 00:01:04,360 And I think that's great and I love that for you. 20 00:01:04,640 --> 00:01:07,360 But I just, I think it's a bit lightweight and I think what I 21 00:01:07,360 --> 00:01:11,320 need from you is some actual serious dissection. 22 00:01:12,320 --> 00:01:14,680 Yeah, not too serious. We don't want to get Michael 23 00:01:14,680 --> 00:01:17,000 Bailenson angry. Oh, sorry, yeah. 24 00:01:17,040 --> 00:01:19,320 Gotta keep it light. Because I was thinking maybe we 25 00:01:19,320 --> 00:01:21,680 could change the name of the podcast to something like. 26 00:01:22,080 --> 00:01:26,920 Woke alert Yeah to woke gays. Being woke. 27 00:01:28,960 --> 00:01:30,320 Oh God, this movie would not pass the. 28 00:01:30,320 --> 00:01:34,840 Test we are Well, there goes your social life. 29 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:39,120 We do have a new five star Apple review from Caitlin. 30 00:01:39,680 --> 00:01:42,240 I think it's Caitlin, they say. I love this podcast. 31 00:01:42,240 --> 00:01:45,560 It's funny, expands my cultural horizons and it taught me the 32 00:01:45,560 --> 00:01:50,360 science behind how candles work. That's what we're here for. 33 00:01:50,360 --> 00:01:53,320 Because I do like this sort of scientific element as well that 34 00:01:53,320 --> 00:01:54,640 we bring to this podcast. Yeah, I. 35 00:01:54,640 --> 00:01:58,520 Wonder if we'll get into any science today how pork products 36 00:01:58,520 --> 00:02:00,960 are made. I've been enjoying Saint Paul 37 00:02:00,960 --> 00:02:04,720 pork products for years. Oh yeah, someone else sent us a 38 00:02:04,720 --> 00:02:06,800 message as well. I don't know if you saw this on 39 00:02:06,800 --> 00:02:10,600 Instagram. Goonstruck and message us going. 40 00:02:10,600 --> 00:02:13,840 Thank you so much for being my guides through a six hour drive. 41 00:02:13,840 --> 00:02:15,880 I cannot wait to see what you cover next. 42 00:02:16,960 --> 00:02:19,760 Imagine. Listen, Ducks is 6 hours. 43 00:02:20,480 --> 00:02:21,960 Oh, that's quite a lot of pressure. 44 00:02:21,960 --> 00:02:24,360 Bit of pressure. Do you know what? 45 00:02:25,040 --> 00:02:27,280 If I was listening to us for six hours, I literally, I think I 46 00:02:27,280 --> 00:02:28,480 just turned. On Louise. 47 00:02:28,680 --> 00:02:31,160 Yeah, just come off the side. Yeah, just be done. 48 00:02:31,160 --> 00:02:34,960 Yeah, just into the blue. Let's keep. 49 00:02:35,720 --> 00:02:38,920 Going I'm glad that we could like keep you awake, God. 50 00:02:39,320 --> 00:02:42,040 I wonder. I know I should be saying this, 51 00:02:42,040 --> 00:02:44,400 but you know, you do have other options to look at other things. 52 00:02:44,400 --> 00:02:46,320 We're not the only podcast that's available, but. 53 00:02:46,960 --> 00:02:50,240 No, we are the only podcast, the original podcast, and definitely 54 00:02:50,240 --> 00:02:52,720 the only podcast where gay people talk about movies. 55 00:02:53,120 --> 00:02:55,520 I've noticed that as well, there's no one else doing it. 56 00:02:55,520 --> 00:02:58,760 Yeah, gosh, new boundaries finally breaking new ground. 57 00:02:59,080 --> 00:03:02,320 We also have a gay tree on if you, I mean if you've exhausted 58 00:03:02,320 --> 00:03:05,040 the main feed and you do need some more content for your next 59 00:03:05,520 --> 00:03:07,880 long distance. Road and savvy with it now 60 00:03:07,880 --> 00:03:09,320 because we're putting the good ones behind. 61 00:03:09,320 --> 00:03:12,920 The right Yeah, the latest episode was on Batman Returns. 62 00:03:13,760 --> 00:03:18,120 Meow, which is quite a highly requested fun for us to cover 63 00:03:18,120 --> 00:03:21,000 00. Did we do that? 64 00:03:22,440 --> 00:03:26,840 Yeah, it's only £4 a month and you can get a free trial and you 65 00:03:26,840 --> 00:03:28,200 can binge them all and then cancel. 66 00:03:28,200 --> 00:03:30,200 That's like a hookup, isn't it? And then ghosting. 67 00:03:30,320 --> 00:03:33,320 Yeah. So come over, fuck us, rule, 68 00:03:33,320 --> 00:03:38,040 talk us, leave and then block. I think if you're listening to 69 00:03:38,040 --> 00:03:43,960 our podcast, you're the one getting fucked, especially if 70 00:03:43,960 --> 00:03:46,400 you're paying for it. Boo, you whore. 71 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:52,080 But you can be like new members Coleman, Rhydian and Juniper. 72 00:03:52,080 --> 00:03:57,280 Oh, I know that classy list of new subscribers. 73 00:03:57,440 --> 00:03:59,520 Finally, but. Kind of sounds like, yeah, this 74 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:02,320 maybe like a stuff you'd put in a witch's potion. 75 00:04:03,160 --> 00:04:05,920 Coleman. Riddian Juniper. 76 00:04:05,920 --> 00:04:07,040 Something your mum would send you? 77 00:04:07,040 --> 00:04:10,760 A Christmas present. Stained panties. 78 00:04:12,080 --> 00:04:13,520 I can't wait to hear what you get this year. 79 00:04:15,400 --> 00:04:18,560 I also thought because this this is coming out the new year, it's 80 00:04:18,920 --> 00:04:20,800 we're recording pre Christmas, but it's coming out in the new 81 00:04:20,800 --> 00:04:23,000 year, I thought we could remind ourselves of all the movies 82 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:25,440 we've given 10 Lies as to just great. 83 00:04:25,680 --> 00:04:27,640 Yeah. Just to see, you know, if we 84 00:04:27,640 --> 00:04:32,000 still stand by everything, the top scoring in terms of like 85 00:04:32,160 --> 00:04:35,520 Merrill's analyzers was Kerry 10, Lizers 9. 86 00:04:35,520 --> 00:04:39,040 Merrill's stand by that. Only 9 Merrill's. 87 00:04:39,320 --> 00:04:42,320 Only 9. Yeah, OK. 88 00:04:42,320 --> 00:04:46,760 I just we're hard on this that we. 9 is an amazing score. 89 00:04:47,400 --> 00:04:53,360 It's not ten, though. Then it's Mommy Dearest with 10 90 00:04:53,360 --> 00:04:56,760 Lizers and 6 1/2 Merrill's. Yeah, fair. 91 00:04:57,600 --> 00:05:03,720 Elvira 5 Merrills Yeah, yeah. And then I know who killed me. 4 92 00:05:03,720 --> 00:05:05,360 Merrills. Surprising. 93 00:05:05,960 --> 00:05:06,640 And then? Yeah. 94 00:05:06,640 --> 00:05:08,360 Why did that get 4 Merrills? Yeah. 95 00:05:09,800 --> 00:05:12,560 And then going into like our perfect score territory, we've 96 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:16,120 got barbed wire, and Batman and Robin both got 1, Merrill, 10 97 00:05:16,120 --> 00:05:17,680 lizes. Stand by that. 98 00:05:17,680 --> 00:05:19,920 Yeah, and Supergirl got 0 Merrills. 99 00:05:22,680 --> 00:05:26,400 So if you're looking for a movie to watch, the campus of Camp 100 00:05:26,400 --> 00:05:28,480 Classics apparently is Supergirl. 101 00:05:28,720 --> 00:05:31,200 I would say it's up there. Yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely. 102 00:05:31,400 --> 00:05:35,880 But also, I think that's a very good like list, a digestible 103 00:05:35,880 --> 00:05:38,560 list for people to watch. Yeah, if you're looking for some 104 00:05:38,560 --> 00:05:41,520 January watches, you know. No money. 105 00:05:41,600 --> 00:05:43,520 Yeah, this is a great, great place to start. 106 00:05:45,040 --> 00:05:49,280 But let's see if we can find another camp classic today. 107 00:05:49,280 --> 00:05:51,360 Do you want to introduce the next segment? 108 00:05:52,560 --> 00:05:56,400 Welcome to our next segment and a new segment for 2026. 109 00:05:56,400 --> 00:06:00,880 It is the suggestion sack. That's why we have a big old 110 00:06:00,880 --> 00:06:04,440 sack full of all of your requests that you keep on D Ming 111 00:06:04,440 --> 00:06:06,920 us. It's a sack full of things like 112 00:06:06,920 --> 00:06:11,720 spice world, mainly spice world, spice world and once a month 113 00:06:11,720 --> 00:06:14,200 we're going to be emptying the sack. 114 00:06:16,640 --> 00:06:18,200 Having a good rummage around in the. 115 00:06:18,200 --> 00:06:25,480 Sack draining the sack and really sort of just like working 116 00:06:25,480 --> 00:06:30,280 the sack until there's nothing left in it to reveal one of your 117 00:06:30,280 --> 00:06:33,880 picks That's right you will finally get to decide what we 118 00:06:33,880 --> 00:06:37,560 talk about on the podcast and so is it the time to. 119 00:06:37,720 --> 00:06:39,440 Yeah, it's time to drain the sack. 120 00:06:40,120 --> 00:06:43,040 Which will mean there needs to be sound effects like that, OK? 121 00:06:44,120 --> 00:06:45,800 I'm just going to. I'm just. 122 00:06:47,040 --> 00:06:51,120 Going to it's my first time entering the sack. 123 00:06:51,120 --> 00:06:54,600 My sack, anyway. Yeah, don't really enter a sack, 124 00:06:54,600 --> 00:06:57,320 but sure, let's go with it. So I'm going to be gentle, just 125 00:06:57,320 --> 00:07:02,480 the one finger at the moment, OK, Are you ready? 126 00:07:03,520 --> 00:07:09,520 The first suggestion sack pig is notes on a scandal. 127 00:07:09,520 --> 00:07:11,200 Oh, Michael, I'm happy with that. 128 00:07:11,200 --> 00:07:12,680 Me too. I don't. 129 00:07:12,680 --> 00:07:14,360 I'm not sure I've seen it all the way through. 130 00:07:14,360 --> 00:07:17,080 I've heard lots of batshit crazy about DO. 131 00:07:17,080 --> 00:07:19,720 You want to fuck me, Barbara? Right. 132 00:07:19,920 --> 00:07:21,520 I mean it's. You want to roll around on the 133 00:07:21,520 --> 00:07:24,320 floor like lovers? OK, clearly we've got a fan in 134 00:07:24,320 --> 00:07:26,640 the room. Oh great, lovely. 135 00:07:26,640 --> 00:07:28,800 So yes. So please message in with more 136 00:07:28,800 --> 00:07:31,400 of your options and we will be putting them all in the 137 00:07:31,400 --> 00:07:35,000 suggestion suggestion sack until the sack is overflowing. 138 00:07:35,360 --> 00:07:36,880 I'm just going to say Woke Alert though. 139 00:07:36,880 --> 00:07:40,880 That movie contains a lot of child sexual abuse. 140 00:07:41,160 --> 00:07:45,640 OK. But it's kind of camp. 141 00:07:46,720 --> 00:07:47,840 Yeah, sure. Love it. 142 00:07:48,160 --> 00:07:51,680 Great woo. Hoo, OK, so I guess we're maybe 143 00:07:51,680 --> 00:07:54,880 we're covering that next or or near to next and also baby. 144 00:07:54,880 --> 00:07:57,680 Name suggestion Sack. I'm like, oh. 145 00:07:58,920 --> 00:08:00,960 We'll workshop it but. We've got to stick with it. 146 00:08:00,960 --> 00:08:06,200 Now it's like it's Brandy. Baby. 147 00:08:06,200 --> 00:08:09,360 Before we go any further though, what makes a camp classic? 148 00:08:09,560 --> 00:08:12,560 Well, a camp classic is something that unlocks queer 149 00:08:12,560 --> 00:08:16,120 joys, in the words of the icon herself. 150 00:08:17,200 --> 00:08:20,480 I want to get a wedding. It needs to be stupid. 151 00:08:20,480 --> 00:08:22,520 We want something with an ongoing legacy and something 152 00:08:22,520 --> 00:08:26,280 that informs queer pop culture. And ultimately it should be anti 153 00:08:26,280 --> 00:08:29,760 mainstream with underdog plot vibes that's been reclaimed by 154 00:08:29,760 --> 00:08:35,120 the big old benders. And today we are covering 1999's 155 00:08:35,480 --> 00:08:42,679 Drop Dead Gorgeous. I'm so excited. 156 00:08:42,679 --> 00:08:46,840 Yeah, tell me what is. I mean, I'll let you just, I'll 157 00:08:46,840 --> 00:08:49,040 let you just go on. Tell me about this movie. 158 00:08:49,040 --> 00:08:50,760 Why is this movie important to you? 159 00:08:51,360 --> 00:08:53,200 Well, there's quite a few reasons. 160 00:08:53,320 --> 00:08:58,320 I have a tattoo of Denise Richards on my arm, so who knows 161 00:08:58,320 --> 00:08:59,720 how I'm going to feel about the movie. 162 00:08:59,720 --> 00:09:03,960 I was just doing OK, crazy kooky, you know, just went into 163 00:09:03,960 --> 00:09:06,200 the parlour and I looked in the book and then I was like, wow, 164 00:09:06,200 --> 00:09:08,200 it just landed on Drop Dead Gorgeous. 165 00:09:08,200 --> 00:09:11,720 OK, I'll get a tattoo of her. No, I was thinking about this 166 00:09:11,760 --> 00:09:17,960 and I actually, this film links to like my first ever sexual 167 00:09:17,960 --> 00:09:20,200 interaction. Oh yeah. 168 00:09:20,200 --> 00:09:22,400 And I was like, oh, that's the memory. 169 00:09:23,000 --> 00:09:26,000 Oh yeah, because you got railed by that exploding swan. 170 00:09:27,720 --> 00:09:29,840 That's how you lost your virginity to a swan. 171 00:09:30,120 --> 00:09:33,040 No, but I was. I was actually 15 years old. 172 00:09:33,160 --> 00:09:35,400 Don't worry, we're not going. Notes on the scandal. 173 00:09:35,960 --> 00:09:38,000 You're not. Young. 174 00:09:38,560 --> 00:09:41,880 I went to see it in like a cinema in Brighton that was like 175 00:09:42,200 --> 00:09:45,400 a bit out of the way. It was kind of, it's Brighton 176 00:09:45,400 --> 00:09:47,040 Marina. And near there's, there's like a 177 00:09:47,040 --> 00:09:50,440 notorious cruising ground called the Bushes, which is by the 178 00:09:50,440 --> 00:09:53,000 nudist beach. And I remember going to see this 179 00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:57,000 movie with like some friends and like, you have to get like this 180 00:09:57,000 --> 00:10:01,600 little train from the nudist beach to go back into Brighton. 181 00:10:02,000 --> 00:10:03,600 And like, so that's what we did to get there. 182 00:10:03,600 --> 00:10:05,240 And they were like, oh, come on, let's go. 183 00:10:05,240 --> 00:10:07,760 And then I was like, Oh, no, I'm, I want to walk. 184 00:10:08,640 --> 00:10:10,920 And I didn't want to walk. I wanted to explore the, the 185 00:10:10,920 --> 00:10:13,200 cruising ground. So I watched the film, loved it, 186 00:10:13,520 --> 00:10:17,840 and then went into this like the bushes and was just like stood 187 00:10:17,840 --> 00:10:20,600 there and I just, it was the first time I'd been like 188 00:10:20,600 --> 00:10:23,280 cruised. Molly, you in danger, girl? 189 00:10:24,200 --> 00:10:27,040 It was hot, but because I was sweating and like because I was 190 00:10:27,040 --> 00:10:28,240 15, I didn't know what I was doing. 191 00:10:28,240 --> 00:10:32,600 So I just stood there like like a very thick like weirdo. 192 00:10:32,600 --> 00:10:34,720 And I remember this guy with a bike. 193 00:10:35,040 --> 00:10:38,240 He walked past me with his bike and then like rubbed the bike 194 00:10:38,240 --> 00:10:42,480 handle across my Dick and I just was like, I don't know what I'm 195 00:10:42,480 --> 00:10:44,120 doing. And that was it. 196 00:10:44,120 --> 00:10:46,000 I didn't do anything you. Didn't do anything. 197 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:49,840 No, I just stood there and then she was just like, is this guy? 198 00:10:50,560 --> 00:10:53,400 Is getting a handlebar pressed against your penis. 199 00:10:53,880 --> 00:10:54,920 It's my fan. Sexually smooth. 200 00:10:55,000 --> 00:10:58,840 Am I saying now? Oh, and that explains why you 201 00:10:58,840 --> 00:11:00,520 can't bike anymore. Because yeah. 202 00:11:00,520 --> 00:11:03,440 I'm bikes. Yeah, you get too hard. 203 00:11:04,160 --> 00:11:07,480 Get wildly hard in ejaculate. Yeah, yeah. 204 00:11:07,480 --> 00:11:11,200 It's not anatomy. Like, wow, that's, that's really 205 00:11:11,200 --> 00:11:12,600 funny. Also quite brave. 206 00:11:12,600 --> 00:11:14,120 I wouldn't have been that brave at 15. 207 00:11:14,120 --> 00:11:15,800 Yeah, I don't know. I don't know whether it was just 208 00:11:15,800 --> 00:11:18,960 watching the movie kind of got me feeling away, which would be 209 00:11:18,960 --> 00:11:20,240 weird, but. Yes, it would. 210 00:11:20,240 --> 00:11:24,200 All those teen girls. Yeah, it's yeah. 211 00:11:24,200 --> 00:11:26,760 So it's just, it has nothing to do with my love for the film, 212 00:11:26,760 --> 00:11:28,440 but. So you saw this in cinema? 213 00:11:28,720 --> 00:11:30,640 Yeah. Cute, what about you? 214 00:11:30,640 --> 00:11:33,200 I don't think I saw it until much later. 215 00:11:33,840 --> 00:11:35,360 I love it though, I've seen it many times. 216 00:11:35,520 --> 00:11:39,200 Great movie. Yeah, it like genuinely sort of 217 00:11:39,200 --> 00:11:41,960 transformed my life lots of ways. 218 00:11:41,960 --> 00:11:45,120 I just, I don't know, I just think like, I mean, I don't want 219 00:11:45,120 --> 00:11:48,160 to get to the end of the podcast at the beginning, but like it's 220 00:11:48,160 --> 00:11:52,120 just it unlocked like a lot of like kind of the way I kind of 221 00:11:52,120 --> 00:11:54,880 see the world humor wise. Like it's, I think this film is 222 00:11:54,880 --> 00:11:58,920 like very, very my humor. I can see that, Yeah. 223 00:11:58,920 --> 00:12:01,480 I feel almost a little nervous talking about this movie today. 224 00:12:01,480 --> 00:12:03,600 Because I know it's good. No, it's. 225 00:12:03,600 --> 00:12:06,680 Not that it's just, yeah, I know this is your like one of your 226 00:12:06,680 --> 00:12:08,920 tops. I think it's my favorite film. 227 00:12:11,600 --> 00:12:14,640 But listen, I'm up for an intellectual debate. 228 00:12:14,840 --> 00:12:18,720 Maybe we'll, yeah, maybe we'll knock it down a few points 229 00:12:19,760 --> 00:12:21,920 pressure, but I'm sure it'll be fine. 230 00:12:22,000 --> 00:12:24,360 I'm going to smash it. Well, Drop Dead Gorgeous, if 231 00:12:24,360 --> 00:12:27,520 you're not familiar, is a satirical mockumentary black 232 00:12:27,520 --> 00:12:32,200 comedy film directed by Michael Patrick Jan and written by Lona 233 00:12:32,240 --> 00:12:34,360 Williams. It stars. 234 00:12:35,120 --> 00:12:37,440 Does it fucking not star honestly? 235 00:12:37,440 --> 00:12:39,720 And welcome to the podcast, all of these people, because I don't 236 00:12:39,720 --> 00:12:41,320 think most of them are featured, have they? 237 00:12:41,320 --> 00:12:43,120 Correct. Christie Alley. 238 00:12:43,240 --> 00:12:46,040 Tick Ellen Barkin. Tick Kirsten Dunst. 239 00:12:46,040 --> 00:12:48,040 Come on. Denise Richards, Yes. 240 00:12:48,280 --> 00:12:49,560 Brittany Murphy? Yes. 241 00:12:49,560 --> 00:12:52,960 Allison Janney, Yes. Amy Adams in her film debut. 242 00:12:53,080 --> 00:12:56,280 Film debut. Yes, she does so well. 243 00:12:56,440 --> 00:12:59,800 Plus great character actors. Mindy Sterling and MO Gaffney 244 00:12:59,800 --> 00:13:02,160 are in it. From Absolutely Fabulous. 245 00:13:02,360 --> 00:13:05,360 Yep, Yep. There's a cameo from Adam West, 246 00:13:05,360 --> 00:13:07,000 yeah. Just throwing in there, yeah. 247 00:13:08,120 --> 00:13:10,680 It was released on July 23rd, 1999. 248 00:13:11,200 --> 00:13:13,400 Just going to tell you some of the other teen movies that were 249 00:13:13,400 --> 00:13:15,160 released that year, there was something in the water. 250 00:13:15,280 --> 00:13:17,840 Jawbreaker came out that year, but I'm a Cheerleader came out 251 00:13:17,840 --> 00:13:19,560 that year. We've covered both of those on 252 00:13:19,560 --> 00:13:21,680 the podcast. And then like more mainstream 253 00:13:21,680 --> 00:13:24,440 You've got American Pie, 10 Things I Hate About You, She's 254 00:13:24,440 --> 00:13:27,160 All That Never Been Kissed. Drive Me Crazy and The Virgin 255 00:13:27,160 --> 00:13:28,800 Suicides. God, there's a lot. 256 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:31,040 Uh huh. Crazy, yeah. 257 00:13:32,120 --> 00:13:35,000 Yeah, and what is interesting, I didn't know jailbreaker in, but 258 00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:36,440 I'm a cheerleader at the same time. 259 00:13:36,640 --> 00:13:38,960 That's really interesting to me because they're very like. 260 00:13:39,440 --> 00:13:43,280 In the same sort of universe. But then at the same time, we've 261 00:13:43,280 --> 00:13:47,600 got these like, really like, basic bitch Yeah films coming 262 00:13:47,600 --> 00:13:49,320 out as well. That's so interesting. 263 00:13:49,320 --> 00:13:53,840 Yeah, it had a $15 million budget, and it ended up taking 264 00:13:53,840 --> 00:13:57,400 $10 million at the box office. Yeah, big flop. 265 00:13:57,600 --> 00:14:02,280 It was also a big critical flop. Yeah, I saw some of the Yeah, 266 00:14:02,360 --> 00:14:05,040 graceless. Yeah, it ended up. 267 00:14:05,520 --> 00:14:08,400 Currently it's got 47% on Rotten Tomatoes, but I think that is 268 00:14:08,400 --> 00:14:13,000 because of many 20th anniversary retrospectives which have bumped 269 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:15,520 the score back up. It's got 28% on Metacritic, 270 00:14:15,520 --> 00:14:18,120 which is like the a more weighted score. 271 00:14:18,360 --> 00:14:20,080 Basically. It got really bad reviews at the 272 00:14:20,080 --> 00:14:22,120 time. People thought it was unfunny 273 00:14:22,320 --> 00:14:25,080 that it it didn't do what it was trying to do. 274 00:14:25,160 --> 00:14:28,280 It was like trying too hard and then it was basically forgotten, 275 00:14:28,280 --> 00:14:28,960 wasn't it? Yeah. 276 00:14:28,960 --> 00:14:32,240 It was unavailable to stream for like 20 years. 277 00:14:32,240 --> 00:14:33,440 You couldn't. It was out of print. 278 00:14:33,440 --> 00:14:36,160 You couldn't buy it on DVD or anything. 279 00:14:36,360 --> 00:14:39,600 But it was kind of kept alive by a generation of queer people, 280 00:14:39,600 --> 00:14:40,600 I'd say. Totally. 281 00:14:40,600 --> 00:14:43,960 But I don't think it's even, it's never really like gone 282 00:14:43,960 --> 00:14:47,000 super, you know, super big cult movie. 283 00:14:47,080 --> 00:14:48,040 You don't think so? No. 284 00:14:48,040 --> 00:14:51,400 I think it's still kind of a bit underground. 285 00:14:51,400 --> 00:14:53,320 Yeah. No, I think definitely because. 286 00:14:53,320 --> 00:14:55,960 Of what you said, a lot of it because there's been like, no, I 287 00:14:55,960 --> 00:14:57,920 know it's on streamers now and I know they've had like 288 00:14:57,920 --> 00:15:00,280 anniversary editions, but they've not really it's never 289 00:15:00,280 --> 00:15:02,240 really had that like adoring treatment. 290 00:15:02,240 --> 00:15:05,960 Yeah, as a A. Bit like Jawbreaker as well, I'd 291 00:15:05,960 --> 00:15:08,880 say. Yeah, it's still a little 292 00:15:09,360 --> 00:15:11,640 hidden. It's not like a clueless or a 293 00:15:11,640 --> 00:15:14,000 heaven. No, it's like, yeah, hidden way. 294 00:15:14,400 --> 00:15:17,160 But yeah, it was it did get kind of this 20th anniversary 295 00:15:17,160 --> 00:15:20,240 reconsideration. And Adam White in the 296 00:15:20,240 --> 00:15:23,280 Independent said Droplet Gorgeous was made for a 297 00:15:23,280 --> 00:15:25,920 generation of freaks and outsiders whose ambitions, 298 00:15:25,920 --> 00:15:28,440 oddities, queerness and poverty were otherwise ignored by 299 00:15:28,440 --> 00:15:30,680 anything similarly mainstream or funny. 300 00:15:30,960 --> 00:15:33,400 I think that's. So true, I think. 301 00:15:33,560 --> 00:15:36,880 I've been enjoying Saint Paul pork products for years. 302 00:15:37,360 --> 00:15:39,960 I grew up right next to these stockyards. 303 00:15:40,360 --> 00:15:45,680 The plot of this one's kind of tricky to do, so I wondered if 304 00:15:46,640 --> 00:15:49,600 maybe I'll just do, like, the broadest strokes. 305 00:15:49,600 --> 00:15:51,200 Yeah. And then maybe we go in 306 00:15:51,240 --> 00:15:53,120 character by character. It's one of those films there's 307 00:15:53,200 --> 00:15:57,400 there's so much going on. Yeah, like Ram it with like, I 308 00:15:57,400 --> 00:15:58,880 think it's 'cause it's a mockumentary, isn't it? 309 00:15:58,880 --> 00:16:02,400 But there's it's not just like a very well, there is a simple 310 00:16:02,400 --> 00:16:04,480 plot, but like within that there's just like multiple 311 00:16:04,480 --> 00:16:07,320 plots, loads of gags. Loads totally really it's a lot. 312 00:16:07,400 --> 00:16:11,880 It's either like you go in super granular because it's very dense 313 00:16:11,880 --> 00:16:13,880 or you talk about like the high level plot. 314 00:16:13,880 --> 00:16:15,800 So I. Mean also it's long as well. 315 00:16:15,800 --> 00:16:19,280 It's a very long movie and I think it like it's it could it 316 00:16:19,280 --> 00:16:21,120 ends about 3 times. Yes, it does. 317 00:16:21,800 --> 00:16:25,240 Yes, it does. So we are in Mount Rose, 318 00:16:25,240 --> 00:16:28,160 Minnesota, Minnesota, Minnesota. Oh boy. 319 00:16:28,760 --> 00:16:30,760 I should start this by saying I don't know if you know this, but 320 00:16:30,760 --> 00:16:34,640 I lived in a small town, like very small town in Nova Scotia, 321 00:16:34,640 --> 00:16:37,960 Canada from like the age of 6 to 11. 322 00:16:38,160 --> 00:16:40,560 Like we were on a farm. We had chickens. 323 00:16:40,800 --> 00:16:43,680 The town was called Gore. Wow. 324 00:16:44,440 --> 00:16:46,160 GORE. Gore. 325 00:16:46,520 --> 00:16:48,920 That's sensational. Awful, awful. 326 00:16:48,920 --> 00:16:50,960 And like it was a trailer park town. 327 00:16:50,960 --> 00:16:55,520 Like it was, it was this town. So watching this again, I was 328 00:16:55,520 --> 00:16:57,160 like, Oh yeah, I know these people. 329 00:16:57,400 --> 00:17:00,920 Like there were a lot of Bible thumpers, a lot of casual 330 00:17:00,920 --> 00:17:04,160 racism. I was very lucky to get out and 331 00:17:04,160 --> 00:17:05,480 move back to the city when we did. 332 00:17:05,839 --> 00:17:07,640 Wow. Because I would have been like 333 00:17:07,800 --> 00:17:09,960 Matthew Shepard did. Yeah, shit. 334 00:17:09,960 --> 00:17:12,599 Yeah, but anyway, I, I see these people. 335 00:17:12,599 --> 00:17:14,960 I'm like, Oh yeah, you see, I know you. 336 00:17:14,960 --> 00:17:17,520 I know you. So we're in Mount Rose, 337 00:17:17,520 --> 00:17:20,280 Minnesota. And I know we, I know God, this 338 00:17:20,280 --> 00:17:21,599 is going to be really hard for me, isn't it? 339 00:17:21,599 --> 00:17:23,040 I don't, we're meant to be doing broad strokes. 340 00:17:23,040 --> 00:17:26,480 And now I'm like shot by shot analysis, but can we just talk 341 00:17:26,480 --> 00:17:31,040 about the opening sequence and how fucking gorgeous and like 342 00:17:31,080 --> 00:17:34,920 90s MTV music video that looks? The Adam West. 343 00:17:34,920 --> 00:17:38,960 Like metallic curtains. So the amount of times in like 344 00:17:39,480 --> 00:17:44,200 numerous projects I've done outside of drag, like TV work 345 00:17:44,200 --> 00:17:46,880 and stuff where I've needed to like reference things, the 346 00:17:46,880 --> 00:17:49,160 amount of times I go to this as a reference because it is 347 00:17:49,160 --> 00:17:52,080 fucking stunning. So we've got these like flowing 348 00:17:52,080 --> 00:17:55,360 like metallic looking curtains. Yeah, it's almost, almost like 349 00:17:55,360 --> 00:17:59,640 helium balloons, Like there's, there's something like, yeah, 350 00:17:59,640 --> 00:18:01,720 the the the Sheen on them is amazing. 351 00:18:01,720 --> 00:18:04,840 I feel like you've attempted to recreate this vibe with plastic 352 00:18:04,840 --> 00:18:06,200 sheets, and we've never quite got that. 353 00:18:06,200 --> 00:18:09,240 But yeah, so we've got these like these fucking gorgeous 354 00:18:09,240 --> 00:18:11,720 parachute curtains. Then we've got these kind of 355 00:18:11,720 --> 00:18:16,880 silhouetted like dark menacing beauty Queens, haven't we, that 356 00:18:16,880 --> 00:18:19,840 are like dimly lit, but you see like their teeth smile and light 357 00:18:19,840 --> 00:18:23,360 up and, and it's kind of like this Dun, Dun, Dun, Dun, Dun Dun 358 00:18:23,360 --> 00:18:24,560 Dun. Dun Sarah Lee. 359 00:18:25,200 --> 00:18:26,440 No, Sarah. Oh, Sarah Lee. 360 00:18:26,440 --> 00:18:29,920 That's a gateau, Sarah. Rose knows Sarah. 361 00:18:29,920 --> 00:18:32,840 Rose knows you're a teenage girl. 362 00:18:33,560 --> 00:18:36,520 And it's just so cool. And then it's like, and then you 363 00:18:36,520 --> 00:18:39,000 see Adam West and they're there with these like fucking cheap 364 00:18:39,000 --> 00:18:40,800 little flags, smiling and grinning. 365 00:18:41,720 --> 00:18:45,600 And she definitely knows that you are ready for the ultimate 366 00:18:45,680 --> 00:18:49,000 in teen glamour. Like from the get go, you're 367 00:18:49,000 --> 00:18:52,880 like, you know that this isn't a regular teen movie. 368 00:18:52,880 --> 00:18:54,640 There's something off about it already. 369 00:18:54,640 --> 00:18:57,240 The way it's like you might find some celebrities and they will 370 00:18:57,240 --> 00:19:00,880 point to get him and it's just from the get go is so unhinged 371 00:19:00,880 --> 00:19:02,920 and weird. And then the bit where it's like 372 00:19:03,440 --> 00:19:08,440 in such places like. Mount Rose, Minnesota Thousands 373 00:19:08,440 --> 00:19:12,280 of 17 year old girls like yourselves compete around the 374 00:19:12,280 --> 00:19:15,920 country in places like beautiful Mount Rose, Minnesota. 375 00:19:16,480 --> 00:19:19,920 And then the way it just cuts off into the time of their lives 376 00:19:19,920 --> 00:19:21,720 and then your days of our lives, our lives. 377 00:19:21,720 --> 00:19:25,160 So you've got, yeah, there's sat there and you're just for an 378 00:19:25,160 --> 00:19:28,200 opening scene of a film. It still tickles me. 379 00:19:28,240 --> 00:19:30,440 It's so good. Yeah, you've you quickly find 380 00:19:30,440 --> 00:19:34,720 out that Iris has taped over the rest of the audition pack tape 381 00:19:35,120 --> 00:19:38,760 and she's covered it up with her soaps and Kirstie Alley's pissed 382 00:19:38,760 --> 00:19:40,280 off. And she's like, well, the rest 383 00:19:40,280 --> 00:19:43,240 of the movie goes on to talk about the skills you're going to 384 00:19:43,240 --> 00:19:45,000 need in this pageant. It's it's so good. 385 00:19:45,360 --> 00:19:47,040 But yeah, we are. Sorry, broad stroke. 386 00:19:47,040 --> 00:19:49,800 No, I just had the opening scene I had to talk about. 387 00:19:50,680 --> 00:19:52,640 Yeah, and we're with a camera crew who are filming a 388 00:19:52,640 --> 00:19:56,320 documentary about the Sarah Rose Cosmetics Miss American Teen 389 00:19:56,320 --> 00:19:59,960 Princess beauty pageant. Also, we're in such a fun world 390 00:19:59,960 --> 00:20:02,280 already, aren't we? The world of beauty pageants. 391 00:20:02,280 --> 00:20:04,960 And I feel like there hasn't been many. 392 00:20:06,120 --> 00:20:09,160 Comedies about beauty pageants and it feels like such a rich 393 00:20:09,280 --> 00:20:13,040 area to go to. Apparently there's a 1978 movie 394 00:20:13,040 --> 00:20:17,480 called Smile, which this movie was unfavorably compared to when 395 00:20:17,480 --> 00:20:20,280 it came out, right? So I'm interested to see it. 396 00:20:21,720 --> 00:20:23,520 But. And then, yeah, then there's 397 00:20:23,640 --> 00:20:25,720 Miss Congeniality, which I think is. 398 00:20:26,720 --> 00:20:33,040 Yeah, it's not, not for me. The two main competitors in the 399 00:20:33,040 --> 00:20:35,080 beauty pageant, I'd say, are Amber Atkins. 400 00:20:35,080 --> 00:20:37,840 Or, as I'd like to say, Amber Atkins. 401 00:20:37,840 --> 00:20:41,480 Amber Atkins. She's a plucky, optimistic girl 402 00:20:41,480 --> 00:20:44,960 who wants to get out of Mount Rose and be a reporter like her 403 00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:49,400 hero, Diane Sawyer. And then there's Becky Lehman. 404 00:20:49,440 --> 00:20:55,640 Rebecca and Lehman, 28 year old Denise Richard playing a 405 00:20:55,640 --> 00:20:58,440 teenager. Playing a 17 year old again, 406 00:20:59,440 --> 00:21:01,200 She's just off the back of wild things. 407 00:21:01,200 --> 00:21:04,400 She's like, you know what? There's a couple of years left 408 00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:08,440 in this high school girl. I mean, this, this fucking 409 00:21:08,440 --> 00:21:12,520 performance, like, we know she's a terrible actress, don't we? 410 00:21:12,520 --> 00:21:15,360 She's in general Denise Richards is not known. 411 00:21:15,760 --> 00:21:17,840 Yeah, it's funny, but I think she does a great job here. 412 00:21:17,840 --> 00:21:20,280 Oh. No, but she's like, this role is 413 00:21:20,280 --> 00:21:23,000 hers. This is like, this is like Naomi 414 00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:25,320 Malone level for me, right? A performance. 415 00:21:25,320 --> 00:21:29,040 But it's not right. But Nomi's going too hard. 416 00:21:29,440 --> 00:21:32,720 Denise is going exactly right. Oh, yeah, but it's it's still 417 00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:33,720 terrible. But do you? 418 00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:38,240 Think it's terrible? Yeah, a bit where she's having 419 00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:41,680 the fight with Amber and she's like, Oh, my Mama says. 420 00:21:41,680 --> 00:21:44,280 You're right, you're right. Actually, you're right. 421 00:21:44,440 --> 00:21:47,840 When she's just like, I think left on her own doing like broad 422 00:21:47,840 --> 00:21:51,640 comedy, I think she's very good. Oh, I think she's incredible. 423 00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:53,240 I've got a tattoo of her on my arm. 424 00:21:53,240 --> 00:21:57,040 I think she's incredible. She's like the hot Christian 425 00:21:57,040 --> 00:22:00,760 bitch. And yeah, she's destined to rule 426 00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:02,640 Mount Rose the way her mother does. 427 00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:06,480 In the run up to the pageant in Mount Rose, Amber survives a 428 00:22:06,480 --> 00:22:10,440 couple of attempts on her life while other contestants die 429 00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:13,040 mysteriously or are injured. We'll come back to all those 430 00:22:13,040 --> 00:22:17,120 other contestants eventually. Becky wins the pageant because 431 00:22:17,120 --> 00:22:21,680 it's rigged and at the parade in her honor, what happens? 432 00:22:23,320 --> 00:22:28,080 She's forced to go on a giant swan float and she gets burned 433 00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:29,080 alive. Yeah. 434 00:22:29,080 --> 00:22:32,200 And then we see her mother completely fall down, have a 435 00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:35,320 like a breakdown and admit that she killed everyone. 436 00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:38,960 Yeah. The swan ain't my baby. 437 00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:41,840 So that means that Amber gets to go to state. 438 00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:44,880 She gets to go to the state finals for the beauty pageant, 439 00:22:44,880 --> 00:22:48,360 and at state she realizes she's hopelessly out of her depth and 440 00:22:48,360 --> 00:22:51,040 she's considering dropping out. But everyone else gets food 441 00:22:51,040 --> 00:22:54,640 poisoning due to shellfish. Does it? 442 00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:58,320 Cue the big vomit scene. And somehow Amber is named the 443 00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:01,240 winner of that pageant, too. So she gets to go to nationals. 444 00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:09,280 And she arrives at Nationals as Miss Minnesota and Sarah Rose 445 00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:11,840 Cosmetics has unfortunately been seized by the IRS. 446 00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:15,360 It's been shut down. It's bankrupt, it's shuttered. 447 00:23:15,360 --> 00:23:18,640 And the girls go wild. They smash it up. 448 00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:23,320 They knock down that really weighty statue that literally 449 00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:25,560 just is a bit of cardboard that slops down. 450 00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:30,080 But yeah, they trashed the joint and that's Amber's dreams 451 00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:33,360 crushed and tell. Because there's another bit. 452 00:23:33,360 --> 00:23:38,840 Yeah, credits roll and then in the mid credits scene we see 453 00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:42,640 what's happened. Gladys has has left prison and 454 00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:48,400 now there's a mass gun shooting led by Gladys and she shoots a 455 00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:53,440 news reporter and Amber steps in and suddenly is a new host of a 456 00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:55,200 new show and that's what she. Sees. 457 00:23:55,320 --> 00:23:58,680 Yeah, she sees her opportunity. That reporter is hit, and 458 00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:00,280 Amber's like the news must go on. 459 00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:04,280 She snatches the mic off the bloody ground and carries on the 460 00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:06,280 reporting. And then we see her in the news 461 00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:09,240 studio and it's got the same treatment as the opening, except 462 00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:12,880 she's in like, and it's just that's showbiz. 463 00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:13,920 That's showbiz. Yeah. 464 00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:17,160 So yeah, it's some good tips if you want to like, break into 465 00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:19,280 like news broadcasting just, you know. 466 00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:24,240 What is it that Crystal says? You know the best advice I ever 467 00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:27,720 got? You're up there on stage hoping 468 00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:31,000 on a spot. If someone gets in your way, 469 00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:34,320 step on them. If you're the only one left 470 00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:40,040 standing there, they hire you. So that's like the broad plot. 471 00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:43,080 I don't know how to, I don't know where, where to talk. 472 00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:46,200 Let's talk about the world. Yeah, OK, the world. 473 00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:49,200 Let's start there, yeah. So this town is. 474 00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:50,920 But. Yeah, yeah. 475 00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:55,600 It is a real like examination of poverty in America. 476 00:24:57,120 --> 00:24:59,640 It's so dark. It's so fucking dark. 477 00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:05,000 It's so dark. Every, every reference is you 478 00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:08,400 get like a real snapshot of so many different types of people. 479 00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:10,640 So yeah, like the kind of inhabitants here, you know, 480 00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:14,080 you've got a paedophile who is also going to be one of the 481 00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:18,840 judges on the talent show. You've got that like a gambling 482 00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:24,480 former ballet Clarice who is just like candy clothes. 483 00:25:26,360 --> 00:25:28,400 Sweet Jesus, if I was a gambling lady. 484 00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:32,040 It's just everywhere. You've got the headmistress, 485 00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:34,960 there's just so you've got the pork products. 486 00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:38,160 Oh my God, the pork. Former beauty pageant person. 487 00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:40,840 It's like. I just love Saint Paul pork 488 00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:45,360 products. In fact, I love them so much I 489 00:25:45,360 --> 00:25:47,800 work here now. Oh. 490 00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:52,280 That cutaway that is, I think, my favorite bit of the movie, 491 00:25:52,360 --> 00:25:55,720 just that infomercial that's inserted for no reason, but it's 492 00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:58,400 just so dark, so good. She's, she's at one point 493 00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:00,880 wearing like a really bloody spattered apron. 494 00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:03,720 Oh, incredible. But I think, I think something I 495 00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:06,560 love about the world in general is that we are like following 496 00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:08,680 this. Like to the people who are part 497 00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:12,320 of this world, this beauty pageant is like real high stakes 498 00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:15,640 for them. But it is just like, as you 499 00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:19,600 said, it's just such like a shitty small town that actually 500 00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:22,560 everything's just so shitty, but everything's played for these 501 00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:24,400 huge states. It's just a crappy little talent 502 00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:26,000 show. But it's kind of all these 503 00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:27,920 people have, isn't it? Yeah, yeah. 504 00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:33,840 I mean, especially for Becky and Gladys, it's like this is their 505 00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:37,400 thing and it's really skewering that girl you knew in high 506 00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:41,280 school who peaked at prom when she got made prom queen. 507 00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:44,480 Like that is all she's got and it's going to be downhill from 508 00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:46,800 there. And then there's this amazing 509 00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:50,360 other cast of all the other contestants who are such unique 510 00:26:50,360 --> 00:26:53,520 characters in their own right and like, they really spend some 511 00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:56,800 time, like giving each of them a personality, like a trait. 512 00:26:56,800 --> 00:26:58,600 It's really, really fab that way. 513 00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:01,600 And I think it's easy to be like, so like impressed by the 514 00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:04,400 cast looking back on it now, just because so many of them 515 00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:07,560 have had such big careers. But like, a lot of them at the 516 00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:11,800 time weren't known for stuff. But there there's so much talent 517 00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:14,960 on screen, like even like the sub roles, like you just said, 518 00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:18,080 like, because you know, like someone like Brittany Murphy is 519 00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:21,800 a small character in it, but she's incredible in it. 520 00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:24,520 And like, you're just like, wow, you're a fucking superstar 521 00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:26,680 whenever she's on screen. And that's what's so interesting 522 00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:29,320 about the right thing, is that it's just all of these actors 523 00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:32,000 get to really shine. Yeah, yeah, it's so true. 524 00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:34,840 Like, it's not that anyone has a huge amount of screen time, but 525 00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:37,040 it's like punchy, punchy, punchy, punchy. 526 00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:40,720 Who would you have been? Oh, I mean Amy Adams looks like 527 00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:43,320 she's having a lot of fun as the, like, slutty girl. 528 00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:45,240 Was that you though? No, it wasn't. 529 00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:46,080 Oh, wait. Who would? 530 00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:47,800 Who was I? Oh, my God. 531 00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:50,120 Yeah, this. I was the girl who liked dogs. 532 00:27:51,360 --> 00:27:52,920 So yeah, talk to us about. Her dad. 533 00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:56,160 What is her storyline? She just really likes dogs. 534 00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:57,920 Yeah, she just got, she had a big German. 535 00:27:58,000 --> 00:27:59,600 She's obsessed with German shepherds. 536 00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:01,120 She got bit. She. 537 00:28:01,120 --> 00:28:03,280 Got bit they repaired her stomach with the skin from her 538 00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:04,560 butt. Yeah, and then she's got a 539 00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:08,480 smaller dog now, yeah. That's that's her character. 540 00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:10,640 She's just a bit confused. You know, she, she doesn't quite 541 00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:13,960 get the brief, the pageant runway, does she? 542 00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:17,120 She's got like that big ball of yarn, the world's biggest ball 543 00:28:17,120 --> 00:28:19,440 of yarn on her. Is she the one who falls on the 544 00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:21,160 stepladder and has to ice her Fanny? 545 00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:25,040 Yeah. They remade my belly with skin 546 00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:27,720 from my butt and somewhere. I guess I'd be somewhere between 547 00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:31,120 her and the dramatic. Yeah, the theater kids I. 548 00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:35,280 I was the theatre kid, as much as I would love to be like, oh, 549 00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:39,360 I'm Rebecca Van Lehman or no, I was Soylent Green. 550 00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:42,520 Yeah, serious. Like, oh, it's my dramatic 551 00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:44,080 monologue now. And I had this thing at school 552 00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:47,480 where I, like, I could make myself cry acting. 553 00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:51,840 So I would just basically shoehorn it into every single, 554 00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:54,720 like, scene. I would do like, if ever there 555 00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:57,520 was this acting scene that required a little bit of drama, 556 00:28:57,520 --> 00:29:01,160 I would like really push myself to cry and make it a thing. 557 00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:04,080 Wow. Because I took it so seriously. 558 00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:08,400 And were people like incredible? Basically because there's no one 559 00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:10,320 else really did. There was only like 5 people in 560 00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:12,520 my very small school that wanted to act. 561 00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:15,480 So it's like I basically just got to do what I wanted to do 562 00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:19,240 and, and everyone would just be like, you're sensational, go to 563 00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:21,000 London, you need to go to London. 564 00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:23,240 And I was like, yeah, I do, yeah I do. 565 00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:25,880 And then I went to London and I was like, oh I'm really shit. 566 00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:28,200 And everyone else is like really experienced, really good. 567 00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:30,160 And it was like you will never be anything. 568 00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:31,560 Boom. Oh, yeah. 569 00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:33,080 So you really had the Amber Atkins? 570 00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:33,680 Yeah. Yeah. 571 00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:36,720 Oh, my God, I am Amber. It was totally that. 572 00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:39,200 It was like, I'm going to be Martha Stewart, not Martha 573 00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:42,280 Stewart. Diane Sawyer, I'm going to be 574 00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:44,920 Martha Stewart. Yeah. 575 00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:48,080 But yeah, so I can relate to that story. 576 00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:50,000 Yeah. So who are your favorite 577 00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:52,280 characters? Because it is hard, this is hard 578 00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:55,440 one to talk about just because of the way it's it's obviously 579 00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:57,360 with the mockumentary side of it, Yeah. 580 00:29:57,360 --> 00:29:59,360 Who are you most drawn to character wise? 581 00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:02,440 Yeah, I mean, Denise Richards. I mean, it's partially like the 582 00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:04,880 way her character is written and the plot stuff, but like the 583 00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:07,880 fact that you just, you know, she's constantly murdering 584 00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:11,920 people and she's doing it with this smile and she looks so 585 00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:13,680 gorgeous. I love all the bits where she's, 586 00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:16,920 like, giving cunt cunt, cunt, cunt cunt until she sees the 587 00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:20,160 cameras on her and then she turns on her like showbiz 588 00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:22,240 sparkle. It's so perfect. 589 00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:24,720 Because it's like, so, yeah. So the first death we've got is 590 00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:28,080 Tommy Curry. And she's like the captain of 591 00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:30,440 everything, Isn't she's like a sporty jock. 592 00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:32,360 Yeah. And she's giving dyke vibes, but 593 00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:34,680 I'm not sure if she is. But like, that's her energy. 594 00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:37,440 And we see her set up. She's like proudest that she's 595 00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:39,320 the the leader with the Lutheran. 596 00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:42,520 She's just won the yeah, she's just become the captain of the 597 00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:45,240 Lutheran Gun Club, beating out Becky. 598 00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:48,480 Yeah, Who's the vice captain? And then we see her like riding 599 00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:50,440 a tractor and then out of nowhere. 600 00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:53,760 And it happened so quickly in the film, the tractor just 601 00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:55,560 explodes. And then we see that she's dead. 602 00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:57,360 And it and it it's from the get go. 603 00:30:57,360 --> 00:30:59,640 You're like, oh, OK, this is going to be quite a fucking 604 00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:00,920 weird film. Yeah. 605 00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:04,600 And then we see Becky and Lehman with a gun and it's like, what 606 00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:05,960 did you think about Tammy's death? 607 00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:08,040 And it's like, oh, you know, I didn't really know. 608 00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:09,800 Yeah. And then how long have you been 609 00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:12,040 shooting for? And it's like my mom gave me 610 00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:14,600 this on my 5th 16th birthday. Yeah. 611 00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:17,520 And we've learned that she's like a very good shot very 612 00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:19,800 quickly because she's. Yeah. 613 00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:22,600 Because Jesus loves. Winners. 614 00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:26,960 Yeah, that's why whatever I do, I aim to win. 615 00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:29,960 But. It's like this, this character, 616 00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:32,600 God, we're seeing it now in America more and more. 617 00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:36,000 This kind of like weird MAGA. You're right. 618 00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:38,720 It's that. It's that Lady, the crazy one, 619 00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:41,840 the. The the wife of the guy that got 620 00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:43,640 shot. Well, yeah, her. 621 00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:46,480 She's very Becky Lehman, you're right. 622 00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:50,080 She's got this. Kirk Yeah, Yeah, you're right. 623 00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:53,160 She is exactly that. No, but there's also this crazy 624 00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:57,400 Latina Trumper who's like constantly firing missiles. 625 00:31:57,760 --> 00:32:01,120 She'll like, she'll like take a grenade launcher to like woke 626 00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:03,240 shit and. I mean, that's just like the 627 00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:06,320 rules of feminism that is. That's the thing with Becky and 628 00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:10,200 Lehman though, is that it's really clever because she's all 629 00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:14,120 all of these awful things. But like, there's no attempt to 630 00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:16,760 like disguise the fact she is nuts. 631 00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:19,560 Do you know what I mean? And like this weird like double 632 00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:22,400 edged personality disorder she's got. 633 00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:26,880 Yeah, Becky. Also, Kirsten Dunst's character 634 00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:31,800 gets hit on by this shoot jock guy who has just rejected Becky 635 00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:35,200 and then the next thing we know he's a dead in the morgue shot 636 00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:37,920 between the eyes. And then we cut to Denise 637 00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:39,600 Richards again. Like cleaning her gun. 638 00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:43,880 The other thing I love about Denise Richards in this film is 639 00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:48,320 I actually we've we've spoken about a few people in in like 640 00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:52,200 queer cinema that have influenced your drag and your 641 00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:54,400 performance style. So Michelle Pfeiffer is 642 00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:58,280 Catwoman, Poison Ivy? Denise Richards performing? 643 00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:02,760 You're just too good to be true. I don't think I've ever seen my 644 00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:05,960 drag more encapsulated into a performance. 645 00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:09,080 You're so right. So Denise Richards Can't Sing, 646 00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:13,400 but is that going to stop her? No, it fucking isn't. 647 00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:17,880 She is going to be there in her little poodle, a line, pink 648 00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:20,800 skirt and yeah, I'm just going to go. 649 00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:25,560 I just want to perform it. You're just too. 650 00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:29,920 Good. To be true. 651 00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:32,360 And then you've got like people in the audience like, oh shit, 652 00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:42,920 can't take my eyes off of you. You feel like heaven to touch. 653 00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:47,160 I want to hold you. I know you're uncomfortable, but 654 00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:53,160 I'm just carrying on so much. At long last, love has arrived 655 00:33:53,680 --> 00:34:01,520 and I thank God I'm alive. You're just too good to be true. 656 00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:07,560 Can't take my eyes off of you, Jesus. 657 00:34:10,639 --> 00:34:13,239 Jesus stuffed. Jesus wheeled out on a cross. 658 00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:15,520 Yeah, stuffy Jesus. And then there's like little 659 00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:19,360 hokey. He's velcroed to the cross. 660 00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:22,639 It's on wheels. And then she takes his arms and 661 00:34:22,639 --> 00:34:24,800 wraps around it. And then I love the shot when 662 00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:28,760 she leaves the stage and she's. Carried across the cross with 663 00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:31,800 that big smile on her face. Oh, it's incredible. 664 00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:33,080 I. Have done that performance. 665 00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:34,199 Have you? I was just going to say. 666 00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:37,199 With the cross, someone made me across with and I did that 667 00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:39,360 thing. Wow, when? 668 00:34:39,639 --> 00:34:42,520 That was like early, I did it with some people called Amy 669 00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:44,520 Grimehouse. They used to do screening 670 00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:46,080 events. And yeah, they made me the cross 671 00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:48,639 for it. And it was just affection so 672 00:34:48,639 --> 00:34:50,639 far. But I see my I see my dragon 673 00:34:50,639 --> 00:34:52,040 Denise. Totally. 674 00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:53,480 Deluded. Yeah. 675 00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:56,440 Like dark. Yeah, you. 676 00:34:56,520 --> 00:34:59,680 I mean, you're obviously doing it with a self-awareness that 677 00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:02,640 she does not have, but yeah, she's the perfect blueprint. 678 00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:05,360 But then I also feel like I do a lot of stuff without the 679 00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:07,040 self-awareness that it should have. 680 00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:11,520 Yeah, she's very, Yeah. She's just that perfect 681 00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:16,000 representation of like American confidence, unearned confidence. 682 00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:20,120 And I think that's very, Yeah, your drag like and comfort. 683 00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:22,800 No, no, I don't. I'm mocking that. 684 00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:24,480 Yeah, mocking that. Yeah, that is. 685 00:35:24,720 --> 00:35:27,240 That's your whole thing. Yeah, What else does she do 686 00:35:27,240 --> 00:35:28,320 there in this film that I love as well? 687 00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:30,800 Like, she just plays it at the right level. 688 00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:32,920 Yeah. She's not hysterical. 689 00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:34,920 She's not. She's just bored, isn't she? 690 00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:37,160 Like, you get the impression that she doesn't really want to 691 00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:39,880 do all of this stuff, but like, her mum's just making her and 692 00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:41,960 she just probably just wants to look hot, doesn't she? 693 00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:44,360 Yeah. Wait, let's let's go to Kirsten 694 00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:44,880 Dunst. OK. 695 00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:49,160 Yeah. So Amber Atkins, she's the like, 696 00:35:49,720 --> 00:35:53,160 she's the sweet girl. I what I love about Amber Atkins 697 00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:56,920 is that you think that you're getting the story of the 698 00:35:56,920 --> 00:36:00,080 American Dream with her. And like, if you just work hard 699 00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:04,360 and commit and you're nice, then good things will happen to you. 700 00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:06,600 And actually that is not Amber's story at all. 701 00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:10,560 And this movie just skewers that idea so hard. 702 00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:12,400 And it's like, actually, no, fuck that. 703 00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:15,520 If you're poor, like your options are very limited and the 704 00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:17,960 only way you're going to get ahead is if you get an 705 00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:21,000 absolutely fucking lucky break, because otherwise you're. 706 00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:23,360 Stuck. You're stuck exactly where you 707 00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:24,800 are. Life is not fair. 708 00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:28,680 The rich people stay rich and they'll cheat their way to the 709 00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:29,480 top and. Which is? 710 00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:31,920 And that's the representation of the Lehman family, Yeah. 711 00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:36,440 And it's like everybody's just kind of accepted the way it goes 712 00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:38,080 with them. Yes, yeah. 713 00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:41,680 You know, the dad owns the big furniture shop, which is a RIP 714 00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:45,160 off place anyway, but he sponsors the beauty competition. 715 00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:48,000 Gladys is the director of it. She's always won. 716 00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:50,480 And he's already hired all of the judges. 717 00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:53,720 Yeah, like, basically like he's hired one of the judges to paint 718 00:36:53,720 --> 00:36:56,280 his furniture store. There's some corruption. 719 00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:59,600 The one of the other judges is his, is his assistant. 720 00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:01,080 That's the writer of the movie, by the way. 721 00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:02,720 Yeah, I know. It's crazy, isn't it? 722 00:37:02,720 --> 00:37:06,280 Yeah. Yeah, so it's like all so sewn 723 00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:09,440 up she Amber's got no chance but. 724 00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:12,760 Yeah, this idea of like everything that's about the 725 00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:16,040 American Dream and like a location that would be about the 726 00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:18,800 American Dream beauty pageants, which is about the American 727 00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:21,040 Dream, And then they're just the reality of like, well, that's 728 00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:23,600 all bullshit, really. It's all bullshit and like the 729 00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:26,800 fact that like this, the third runner up prize is a $50 730 00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:34,160 scholarship, it's like, oh that is so painful and true. 731 00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:37,240 And again, something I think I could relate to just as like a 732 00:37:37,240 --> 00:37:42,000 young team with this film is like the want to get away and to 733 00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:46,200 succeed and do well and like in something creative but actually 734 00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:49,240 not being the most talented. Like, Amber Atkins can tap 735 00:37:49,240 --> 00:37:50,000 dance. Yeah. 736 00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:52,800 And we see her dancing. And again, like in films like 737 00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:56,320 Step Up or something, that level of dancing would be like, wow, 738 00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:58,960 who's the new hot blonde girl in our dance class? 739 00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:01,560 And she'd but she's kind of just fine. 740 00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:03,720 Good enough, Yeah. Good enough, Yeah. 741 00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:07,800 And like, I love that honesty in the talent show when we see it 742 00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:11,080 is like, you see her performing when she gets Brittany Murphy's 743 00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:13,400 costume. Yeah, and it's fine, but it's 744 00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:15,720 not. She's better than the other 745 00:38:15,720 --> 00:38:17,680 people. Yes, But again, you're not like, 746 00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:21,640 superstar talent. It's a very like normalized 747 00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:22,720 level. Yeah. 748 00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:25,960 And I sort of like that honesty about it. 749 00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:28,760 Yeah. And in a more mainstream, yeah, 750 00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:33,240 in a more mainstream teen film, she would just go on to win 751 00:38:33,240 --> 00:38:35,720 through sheer determination. You'd get a montage of her 752 00:38:35,720 --> 00:38:37,800 makeover. You know, you'd have all of 753 00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:39,760 these things. And just like, oh, she's earned 754 00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:41,480 this. But like, that isn't actually 755 00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:43,440 how life works. And it's not. 756 00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:48,120 Life is not fair. And unless you're, like, rich or 757 00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:52,400 lucky, you're probably not going to get the opportunities that 758 00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:54,640 you think you deserve. Yeah. 759 00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:59,960 Life's a bitch now, so am I. And I just think that's so rare 760 00:38:59,960 --> 00:39:03,800 to see in a movie. And it's so like, it's like a 761 00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:07,000 gut punch, but like it's very cathartic to see also because 762 00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:09,000 you know it's true. And they've done it really well 763 00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:13,240 in sort of, you know, the blonde blue eyed girl as well. 764 00:39:13,240 --> 00:39:14,640 Yeah, giving her that. Yeah. 765 00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:17,960 She does sort of fall into a lot of the tropes of that sort of 766 00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:21,560 bright eyed, bushy tailed, Yeah. But yeah, so seeing her go 767 00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:25,160 through it in a harder way and like, I think I'm sure we'll 768 00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:27,120 talk about her character a bit more, but I think the 769 00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:29,200 relationship she has with her mum is actually really 770 00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:31,200 heartfelt. And again, it's dark. 771 00:39:31,240 --> 00:39:32,880 Everything about this film is dark and fucked up. 772 00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:35,760 There's there's like just when you think you're getting into 773 00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:38,360 like a kind of a nice moment, there's something that happens 774 00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:41,360 that's quite off. But I think underneath it all, 775 00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:45,120 there's actually just a very like real bond between them and 776 00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:48,280 yeah. And again, like a nice contrast 777 00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:51,200 to relate the relationship that Gladys has with Becky, because 778 00:39:51,720 --> 00:39:54,960 although she says it's because she wanted everything for her 779 00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:57,560 daughter, she wanted to win, There's not there's not a real 780 00:39:57,560 --> 00:40:01,080 sincerity between them. No, Whereas actually with Amber 781 00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:04,120 and her mom, again, her mom is having to just be like, we live 782 00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:08,160 in a trailer park, you know, real stuff going on. 783 00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:11,680 I love the line from Amber. Boys get out of Mount Rose all 784 00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:14,440 the time. Hockey scholarships. 785 00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:19,680 Prison. I'm like the fact she works in 786 00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:26,360 like a more doing makeup and that's I'm lucky I get somewhere 787 00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:28,680 I can tap, practice my tap dances. 788 00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:33,840 And yeah, she's doing that woman's makeup and the guy the, 789 00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:35,760 the family have like a problem with the way she's on the 790 00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:36,720 makeup. She's like, oh, I just thought 791 00:40:36,720 --> 00:40:38,480 you maybe wouldn't want your mother to look like a cheap 792 00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:41,040 whore. And then it's like, well, this 793 00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:42,480 is the cheap all they want to see. 794 00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:45,320 It's like, perfect, yeah. So good and her just like 795 00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:47,760 reluctantly putting like a bright red lipstick on this old 796 00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:49,640 lady. It's so great. 797 00:40:49,720 --> 00:40:53,000 And then the guy that's the love interest has been shot straight 798 00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:55,240 away and then she's like having to cover, cover up bullet holes 799 00:40:55,240 --> 00:40:57,040 on the head. And, you know, she's like, oh, 800 00:40:57,040 --> 00:40:59,880 you know, part and parcel of the job. 801 00:40:59,880 --> 00:41:04,160 You just have to get used to it. But again, it's like, it's like 802 00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:07,400 it's real life, but heightened and twisted and warped. 803 00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:08,600 Yeah. Yeah, yeah. 804 00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:11,120 Oh, God, It really does not pull any punches. 805 00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:12,680 This movie, it's so dark. Yeah. 806 00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:15,120 What about her, her mom and Loretta? 807 00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:19,760 Because it's so female heavy, the cast like you actually have 808 00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:23,600 like all of these like great double acts, but not there's not 809 00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:26,120 just one. There's like multiple strong and 810 00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:29,480 then different combos of these characters like women together 811 00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:32,920 that like it's like, you know, we've we've talked about first 812 00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:34,960 wives club and like their dynamic is fab. 813 00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:39,360 But like, for me, like seeing Ellen Barkin and Allison Janney 814 00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:41,920 together in the way that they RIP off of each other, seeing 815 00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:46,200 Kirstie Alice and the lady that plays Iris Harris. 816 00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:49,240 Yes, and again, Mindy Sterling. Yeah. 817 00:41:49,240 --> 00:41:52,080 And again, it's just all of these like, and I just in one 818 00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:55,920 movie to see all of that is so because like Ellen, Ellen Barkin 819 00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:58,640 is so great as her mother. Yeah. 820 00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:01,120 Yeah, she's so fab. Yeah, I mean, she sends the 821 00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:05,360 movie high on painkillers, basically with a beer can fuse 822 00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:08,160 to her hand. But yeah, there's like, again, 823 00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:14,160 in a very heightened wart way, it shows sort of like poor 824 00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:17,520 people and like kind of their dynamics with in within the 825 00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:19,880 family because like you said, she does, she does care about 826 00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:23,520 Amber, but she herself is like this like fucked up cliche of 827 00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:28,080 what training park trash is. But like, you know, she's still 828 00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:30,640 supporting her, still encouraging her, like she still 829 00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:34,680 believes that she can become something can become and like 830 00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:37,120 without any knowledge of that. And again, like in a really kind 831 00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:40,160 of weird personal way, she kind of reminds me of my mom. 832 00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:43,600 Right. Because my mom has always like 833 00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:47,440 so blindly believed that I could do the things I wanted to do but 834 00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:50,240 without any context of the situation. 835 00:42:50,240 --> 00:42:52,880 So if I was like, I want to be ATV presenter or something, my 836 00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:56,480 mom would be like, yeah, and knowing nothing about that, just 837 00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:59,680 kind of believing and wanting to believe for your child. 838 00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:03,280 And I just, but kind of not naively, yeah. 839 00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:09,160 And so I see a lot of my mum in Ellen barking, going to the 840 00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:11,840 talent show and being like, you're the best thing ever. 841 00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:15,160 You're the just believing in that, yeah. 842 00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:17,920 And giving great advice like if they ask you to take your top 843 00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:21,320 off, get the money first. Like realistic advice. 844 00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:25,520 Yeah, she's fabulous. And then Loretta, played by 845 00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:29,400 Allison Janney, I mean that role, that performance, this 846 00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:33,000 character, 1 liners, the one liners. 847 00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:38,200 She's like a slutty drunk who's like real, down to earth, salt 848 00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:42,040 of the earth kinda. She's like the second mum to 849 00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:44,800 Amber. Yeah, and she again, like, I 850 00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:48,320 really see like that like relationship and it's really 851 00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:50,080 beautiful. And again, it's in the fucked up 852 00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:54,600 dressing, but you know, she's she knows that the school would 853 00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:57,520 like Gladys and she knows what the real thing. 854 00:43:57,520 --> 00:44:00,240 And because she sort of says it's a camera and like Ellen 855 00:44:00,240 --> 00:44:01,720 Barkins, like don't say that, don't say that. 856 00:44:01,720 --> 00:44:04,000 And it's like, well, it's true. Yeah, it's there for her. 857 00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:06,160 And yeah, really fun. I love the way she's like always 858 00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:08,280 flirting with the crew and wants to fuck them as well. 859 00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:09,640 It's like. You guys want to be here? 860 00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:11,080 Can one of your boys can be a ride home? 861 00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:13,680 Don't fall far, She lives. 2 trailers. 862 00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:15,120 Down. So be real easy. 863 00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:19,680 Go on home, Loretta. And oh, you're cute. 864 00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:23,360 Yeah. She as she gets with that waiter 865 00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:25,920 and then on camera, she's like, I got some. 866 00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:29,320 They're getting so like, likable. 867 00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:34,080 She's so likable. I think as well, like with when 868 00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:38,520 Amber wins through the death of Becky Lehman, they had that 869 00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:41,600 really nice scene as well where she's just kind of like telling 870 00:44:41,600 --> 00:44:44,080 her, well, like you've just got to make the most of this and and 871 00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:46,720 go with it. And again, that's like, it's 872 00:44:46,720 --> 00:44:50,280 just like real life, isn't it? Yeah, Allison, Jenny's character 873 00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:54,280 is almost like the she's the moral of the movie, which is 874 00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:56,600 like, life isn't fair. So like, if you get an 875 00:44:56,600 --> 00:44:58,520 opportunity, fucking take it. Yeah. 876 00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:01,320 And she's like the realist. She's actually the one who knows 877 00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:02,560 what's going on. Yeah. 878 00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:03,920 Yeah. Who else? 879 00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:05,640 What about the other contestants? 880 00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:07,600 Yeah. Brittany Murphy. 881 00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:09,760 What's this to say about Brittany Murphy? 882 00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:12,160 Yeah, she's just, she's just looks like she's having so much 883 00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:14,440 fun. She was quite a big deal at this 884 00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:16,400 point, too. Yeah, it's quite a small role 885 00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:20,200 for her. Yeah, she's just, she just loves 886 00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:22,880 her gay brother. I know, but again, like to have 887 00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:25,480 that kind of queer representation and it's like and 888 00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:29,520 also like an interesting thing. Like the parents are obsessed 889 00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:33,800 with their like drag performing son that does Liza, that does 890 00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:35,480 Barbara. They haven't clocked that he's 891 00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:38,320 gay, but they're like, why can't you be more like Peter? 892 00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:41,320 Why can't you be more like and she is obsessed with it as well. 893 00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:45,560 And then the payoff is her like Peter's gay, he's gay. 894 00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:49,360 But again, I just think it's such like a it fits into the but 895 00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:52,840 I'm a cheerleader and fits into the the Heathers of it all in 896 00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:56,520 the Jawbreaker. But like, normally these films, 897 00:45:56,520 --> 00:45:59,360 like it's just, you know, commonplace for someone to just 898 00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:00,880 be like, you're a fag or something. 899 00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:03,920 Yeah. There isn't like any gay jokes. 900 00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:05,600 No. And you, you, you're kind of 901 00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:07,760 waiting for like, there to be like a trans person is a 902 00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:10,560 punchline or gay person as a punchline in this movie. 903 00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:12,360 And it just doesn't happen. No. 904 00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:14,680 It's so refreshing. I mean, there are other. 905 00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:17,760 There are, obviously, yeah. We can, we can talk about that. 906 00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:22,520 But yeah, from that perspective anyway, it's almost like it 907 00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:26,040 makes me think that the writer probably isn't gay, because I 908 00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:28,520 think if she were, she'd make lesbian jokes. 909 00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:29,640 Right. OK, You know what I mean? 910 00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:32,040 Because, like, yeah. Because she seems she's happy to 911 00:46:32,040 --> 00:46:34,440 skew her every she. So a bit of context about her. 912 00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:37,960 So she was born and raised in. ROSEMOUNT, MN. 913 00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:41,520 Yeah, so and, and went through the beauty pageant cycle. 914 00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:44,960 So from what I've read in interviews with her, this this 915 00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:48,160 is actually very much like a version of her upbringing in her 916 00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:51,800 life, which again, I really like because I feel like this kind of 917 00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:54,760 topic could easily be just been taken by anybody and just like, 918 00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:56,760 you know, prestige and parodied and stuff. 919 00:46:56,760 --> 00:46:59,280 But I think it's interesting that she's got like lived 920 00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:02,120 experience and like, I don't know a lot of the references, 921 00:47:02,120 --> 00:47:04,920 but like the food that's referenced in the film and 922 00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:08,360 stuff, it's all kind of authentic, that location. 923 00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:11,400 No, she totally gets it. She's skewering it so well 924 00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:14,360 because she's like, lived it. Yeah, yeah, for sure. 925 00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:17,520 You know, the fact that she's plays the silent judge, she was 926 00:47:17,520 --> 00:47:20,200 told by producers because she wanted another role, She was 927 00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:24,920 told that she was too old to be like a contestant and because of 928 00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:27,640 the fact that she doesn't speak means that she was only paid a 929 00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:31,560 supporting that role and wasn't credited properly as an actor. 930 00:47:31,560 --> 00:47:33,880 I think they made her do that role because it would save them 931 00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:37,000 the most money because they that way they didn't have to pay a 932 00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:40,040 featured extra because she's gotten she's got no line. 933 00:47:40,040 --> 00:47:42,840 Even though she's in it. She's in it loads, she's a great 934 00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:43,840 job. Yeah, she's. 935 00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:47,240 Like such a good character. Yeah, but yeah, I think Brittany 936 00:47:47,240 --> 00:47:50,480 Murphy is Brittany Murphy in it. Like she's just so likable on 937 00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:55,720 screen, so like Manic as well, but she's like she's one of the 938 00:47:55,720 --> 00:47:58,640 like less explored characters and she she's more there as like 939 00:47:58,640 --> 00:48:00,680 a mechanism to like support. Yeah. 940 00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:02,240 But yeah, I think she's great in it. 941 00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:06,240 Yeah, and how about Amy Adams? Yeah. 942 00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:09,440 Doing a great job. Muskies. 943 00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:14,000 She looks so hot. So hot and just like, yeah, it's 944 00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:16,240 like great that this is her first role and she's. 945 00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:18,640 I think she's got like really great memories of working on it, 946 00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:19,880 hasn't she as well? And just. 947 00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:24,480 But again, I just love how they take that trope of, you know, in 948 00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:27,640 lots of movies, she'd be like a main character. 949 00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:30,120 Yeah. And actually, she's just like a 950 00:48:30,160 --> 00:48:31,440 sideline. Yeah. 951 00:48:32,160 --> 00:48:36,400 And again, like so many of those trophy characters, like, you 952 00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:39,720 know, they are obsessed about their boyfriend, like their teen 953 00:48:39,720 --> 00:48:42,200 years in these movies are all based around like whether the 954 00:48:42,200 --> 00:48:45,080 guy fancies them or not, which we don't see with Amber because 955 00:48:45,080 --> 00:48:48,560 she's kind of like accepted that like that guy, oh, he's been 956 00:48:48,560 --> 00:48:50,320 killed, but that's not part of her story. 957 00:48:50,320 --> 00:48:52,400 That's not her journey to get out of here. 958 00:48:52,600 --> 00:48:55,840 There's no competition really. Like Becky kills him. 959 00:48:55,840 --> 00:48:59,760 That kills him, but only because she doesn't want Amber to have 960 00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:02,080 is you don't get a real sense that she's into him. 961 00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:05,280 But other than that, So like side characters obsessed by this 962 00:49:05,280 --> 00:49:09,120 guy and it is just like wrecking her life and we're seeing that 963 00:49:09,120 --> 00:49:11,600 which we don't see if she would be a featured character, we'd be 964 00:49:11,600 --> 00:49:13,320 like, we want her to get the guy. 965 00:49:13,320 --> 00:49:15,960 We need that happen. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's so true. 966 00:49:16,240 --> 00:49:19,680 It's also like she's a slut, but it's kind of non judgmental. 967 00:49:20,280 --> 00:49:22,880 It's like, it's like she looks like she's having a great time. 968 00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:24,640 Yeah, totally. You know. 969 00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:27,080 And it's like, but the other thing it does really well is 970 00:49:27,080 --> 00:49:31,360 it's just like highlights how toxic he is because obviously he 971 00:49:31,360 --> 00:49:33,720 just wants her to be the winner and like, and actually he's not 972 00:49:33,720 --> 00:49:36,400 impressed with her. Like, and again, it's like a 973 00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:40,240 very dark way of portraying that side of things. 974 00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:42,800 Totally. I think all of the contestants, 975 00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:46,080 they're all like so earnest in their own way, and they're so 976 00:49:46,080 --> 00:49:48,800 unique and they've got their like special interests, but the 977 00:49:48,800 --> 00:49:51,200 movie is laughing at them. But it's kind of also not like 978 00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:53,800 it's kind of really supportive of all of them too. 979 00:49:53,800 --> 00:49:55,680 It's just like, look at these weird girls. 980 00:49:55,680 --> 00:49:59,200 Aren't they having a good time? And I love that about it. 981 00:49:59,240 --> 00:50:02,680 It's not like doesn't feel like it's making fun of women. 982 00:50:03,240 --> 00:50:05,560 No, I don't think it's. I mean, you know what I mean. 983 00:50:05,560 --> 00:50:07,800 Yeah, it's not. It's not like slut shaming. 984 00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:10,240 It's not like doing bimbo stuff, really. 985 00:50:10,240 --> 00:50:12,480 It's like, I mean, it does do all of that, but it's. 986 00:50:12,720 --> 00:50:14,240 I saw. Something it's not mean. 987 00:50:14,240 --> 00:50:18,720 No, I saw an interview with who who played Iris the the actor 988 00:50:18,720 --> 00:50:20,160 that played Iris. Like Mindy Sterling. 989 00:50:20,160 --> 00:50:24,040 Mindy Sterling, who we know from Austin Powers as well. 990 00:50:24,040 --> 00:50:26,960 It's like a really great comedian. 991 00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:29,680 And I was watching an interview that they were talking about 992 00:50:29,680 --> 00:50:32,560 Drop Dead Gorgeous and they they come from like a big improv 993 00:50:32,560 --> 00:50:34,040 comedy. Background from the groundlings 994 00:50:34,040 --> 00:50:35,560 I think. Yeah, and they were talking a 995 00:50:35,560 --> 00:50:39,000 lot about because obviously like people have sort of some critics 996 00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:42,480 and people watching back now have said that the films mean. 997 00:50:43,080 --> 00:50:46,000 And she doesn't think it's mean because she she comes from like 998 00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:49,480 a comedy. Her comedy take on it is that 999 00:50:49,720 --> 00:50:51,520 all of these things should be up for grabs. 1000 00:50:51,560 --> 00:50:55,000 And she loves dark comedy and she wants to kind of subvert and 1001 00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:57,600 make it weird and stuff. But she said she thinks it works 1002 00:50:57,600 --> 00:50:59,360 because everyone's playing it for real. 1003 00:50:59,680 --> 00:51:03,160 So they're not kind of going oh, and pointing and laughing. 1004 00:51:03,160 --> 00:51:05,880 They're believing in those characters, as ridiculous as the 1005 00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:08,080 situations are. And I think that comes across 1006 00:51:08,080 --> 00:51:11,840 because it's like, as I said, I think this just like with most 1007 00:51:11,840 --> 00:51:13,800 of the characters, there's a real heart beneath. 1008 00:51:14,040 --> 00:51:15,520 Yes, the tropes of it. Yeah. 1009 00:51:15,520 --> 00:51:18,000 And yeah, I think it's it's just an interesting. 1010 00:51:18,120 --> 00:51:20,320 You don't see a lot of that on these kind of teen films. 1011 00:51:20,360 --> 00:51:22,520 Yeah, exactly. It's a teen film, Yeah. 1012 00:51:22,640 --> 00:51:26,640 And it's doing this. Yeah, yeah, they the the movie 1013 00:51:26,640 --> 00:51:29,800 knows who the villains are and that is the like racist, gun 1014 00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:32,960 toting Republican Christian Lehman family. 1015 00:51:32,960 --> 00:51:36,400 Because did you hear that? Apparently the extras who were 1016 00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:41,440 locals and a lot of them walked out during the you're just too 1017 00:51:41,440 --> 00:51:44,960 good from Jesus scene because they were so offended by how it 1018 00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:47,320 was mocking religion. And they would, you know, I 1019 00:51:47,320 --> 00:51:49,760 think it must have just been one of those things, you know, we we 1020 00:51:49,760 --> 00:51:52,080 need some film extras on this. Here's the shooting day. 1021 00:51:52,080 --> 00:51:54,040 Here's the money rock up. They hadn't read the script. 1022 00:51:54,040 --> 00:51:55,760 They didn't know. So she's performing it and 1023 00:51:55,760 --> 00:51:58,120 people just like left. And I just think that is 1024 00:51:58,120 --> 00:52:00,480 spectacular. That's good. 1025 00:52:00,480 --> 00:52:02,440 Yeah, that's what you want, isn't it? 1026 00:52:02,440 --> 00:52:04,440 You want those people to like, Yeah. 1027 00:52:04,720 --> 00:52:06,920 Well, I guess Speaking of the mean stuff then, like, what 1028 00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:10,800 about the more problematic elements? 1029 00:52:11,400 --> 00:52:13,320 There's obviously a character with like, an intellectual 1030 00:52:13,320 --> 00:52:17,240 disability, which it's not. I'd say that's like the lowest 1031 00:52:17,240 --> 00:52:18,960 part of the movie. That's the part that's the 1032 00:52:18,960 --> 00:52:21,160 hardest to watch. They use the R word a lot, 1033 00:52:21,160 --> 00:52:24,360 which, OK, I can kind of forgive that because it's from the 90s. 1034 00:52:24,360 --> 00:52:26,760 And they're kind of showing. They're kind of deliberately 1035 00:52:26,760 --> 00:52:29,960 trying to show that these people are not clued up about this. 1036 00:52:30,080 --> 00:52:32,720 Yeah. But he is just kind of a 1037 00:52:33,440 --> 00:52:35,720 punching bag, this character. Yeah, I agree. 1038 00:52:35,720 --> 00:52:38,280 It's, it's, it's the kind of the weakest part. 1039 00:52:38,280 --> 00:52:41,080 I'm not really kind of sure what it's saying. 1040 00:52:41,080 --> 00:52:43,440 I know, I know. It is like a bigger commentary 1041 00:52:43,440 --> 00:52:46,320 and like at the end he kind of wins, doesn't. 1042 00:52:46,320 --> 00:52:49,920 He does win. But it's still in a very but I 1043 00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:52,840 don't know that that that section to me is just and also 1044 00:52:52,840 --> 00:52:55,920 it's the male characters and I guess it's like didn't really 1045 00:52:55,920 --> 00:52:58,080 need to see them. I don't really know giving. 1046 00:52:58,160 --> 00:53:02,560 Yeah, it's, it's basically, it's supposed to be like comedic 1047 00:53:02,560 --> 00:53:04,560 window dressing, isn't it? It's just like, oh, now there's 1048 00:53:04,560 --> 00:53:08,160 this like doofus doing funny things in the background of a of 1049 00:53:08,160 --> 00:53:11,880 a shot, but it just feels very, that feels like the most punched 1050 00:53:11,880 --> 00:53:15,960 down moment in that. And yeah, when you think about 1051 00:53:15,960 --> 00:53:19,520 like how amazing, you know, the representation of say, of people 1052 00:53:19,520 --> 00:53:23,960 with drought Down syndrome has become in TV and film, like 1053 00:53:23,960 --> 00:53:26,600 there's been so much, so much progress made on that. 1054 00:53:26,960 --> 00:53:29,800 And it's like, oh, you compare and contrast that. 1055 00:53:30,040 --> 00:53:31,440 Yeah. Oh, hard. 1056 00:53:31,440 --> 00:53:33,920 Yeah. But that, I guess that's just 1057 00:53:33,920 --> 00:53:36,640 one of the things when you're, it's like a comedy that's like, 1058 00:53:36,640 --> 00:53:39,760 nearly how old is it now? 13, nearly 30 years old? 1059 00:53:39,960 --> 00:53:42,360 Yeah. Like 26 years. 1060 00:53:42,360 --> 00:53:44,120 Yeah. And then it's just unfortunate 1061 00:53:44,120 --> 00:53:44,840 that. Yeah. 1062 00:53:45,120 --> 00:53:47,480 Well, it's not unfortunate because things have moved on, 1063 00:53:47,480 --> 00:53:51,000 but it's just. Yeah, it's just I guess I'm 1064 00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:53,520 trying to sort of remember. And I think I probably would 1065 00:53:53,520 --> 00:53:55,120 have laughed at that as a teenager. 1066 00:53:55,240 --> 00:53:57,680 Yeah. Which is obviously not now. 1067 00:53:57,680 --> 00:53:59,600 And now I genuinely don't find it funny. 1068 00:53:59,600 --> 00:54:03,600 Like it's yeah, but. Yeah, I used the R word when I 1069 00:54:03,600 --> 00:54:04,800 was a kid. Yeah, of course. 1070 00:54:04,800 --> 00:54:09,040 I mean Black Eyed Peas, Yeah, that song, Let's get it started 1071 00:54:09,040 --> 00:54:12,040 was that was it was just sort of thrown around in a very 1072 00:54:12,040 --> 00:54:15,400 different context. But yeah, it's just, it's a 1073 00:54:15,400 --> 00:54:17,360 shame because it is just a bit naff, that part. 1074 00:54:17,440 --> 00:54:19,000 Yeah. And then let's talk about. 1075 00:54:19,080 --> 00:54:21,960 Yeah, let's talk about the former winner who's on the 1076 00:54:21,960 --> 00:54:25,720 Anorexia Award. I mean that I find that one's 1077 00:54:25,720 --> 00:54:28,000 also like on the edge for me of of watchable. 1078 00:54:28,280 --> 00:54:32,520 How do you feel about it? Yeah, I, I actually, I think 1079 00:54:32,520 --> 00:54:37,160 it's quite interesting. I don't find it as I feel like 1080 00:54:37,160 --> 00:54:40,200 they're making more of a point with this and it's like 1081 00:54:40,200 --> 00:54:42,120 obviously like to make that point. 1082 00:54:43,280 --> 00:54:46,800 You are kind of what you are taking the piss out of people 1083 00:54:46,800 --> 00:54:48,640 with anorexia. Like so obviously there's 1084 00:54:48,680 --> 00:54:51,560 there's issues with it, but I think we're so sort of in like 1085 00:54:51,640 --> 00:54:56,040 American culture, like beauty standards, what people are doing 1086 00:54:56,040 --> 00:54:57,760 for that. And the fact is this character 1087 00:54:57,760 --> 00:55:01,880 is like she's been living on like hardly any calories. 1088 00:55:01,880 --> 00:55:04,600 She's been running X amount of miles everyday altered. 1089 00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:07,520 Get this big dream, which we know isn't a big dream. 1090 00:55:07,520 --> 00:55:11,920 I just think, I just think that kind of dark take on it is quite 1091 00:55:11,920 --> 00:55:15,720 delicious and I think it's fucked up, but it's kind of 1092 00:55:15,720 --> 00:55:18,200 just, I think it's just, and then like when she's being 1093 00:55:18,200 --> 00:55:20,200 pushed around for her performance and she can barely 1094 00:55:20,200 --> 00:55:22,640 stand, but she still wants to perform with the back, I still 1095 00:55:22,640 --> 00:55:26,800 find it quite funny. It's, yeah. 1096 00:55:27,120 --> 00:55:29,760 I felt very conflicted about it. Yeah. 1097 00:55:30,320 --> 00:55:35,200 I can understand why you might watch that and find it very, 1098 00:55:35,200 --> 00:55:36,920 very offensive. Yeah. 1099 00:55:37,280 --> 00:55:39,920 I was wondering, I was like, if she had cancer, would it be 1100 00:55:39,920 --> 00:55:42,480 better? And I don't know like. 1101 00:55:42,480 --> 00:55:45,160 Why would that be better? Exactly why would it be better? 1102 00:55:45,800 --> 00:55:49,000 But there was something about. Interesting. 1103 00:55:49,080 --> 00:55:51,800 There's just something that I have like a visceral response to 1104 00:55:51,800 --> 00:55:53,840 it, I think because I've had friends who've suffered with 1105 00:55:53,840 --> 00:55:56,200 eating disorders, probably. I guess it's interesting because 1106 00:55:56,200 --> 00:56:00,480 it doesn't ever make it seem like it's not like blaming her, 1107 00:56:00,720 --> 00:56:01,880 this character. I don't know. 1108 00:56:01,880 --> 00:56:05,040 It is more of making a point, as you say, about like the pursuit 1109 00:56:05,040 --> 00:56:09,880 of this dream and like how fucked up it is to do that. 1110 00:56:12,600 --> 00:56:15,760 I don't know, but I can't even really talk about it effectively 1111 00:56:15,760 --> 00:56:18,520 because I find it so. Yeah, but it is. 1112 00:56:18,800 --> 00:56:21,840 You're right, it is also funny. Yeah, I think it's really funny. 1113 00:56:21,840 --> 00:56:24,240 But then it's like, you know, I think this is just like we're 1114 00:56:24,240 --> 00:56:27,720 entering a realm of dark comedy and it's not, you know, the 1115 00:56:27,760 --> 00:56:31,520 whole point is labeled dark comedy is there is pushing 1116 00:56:31,520 --> 00:56:36,120 buttons and going to places and making fun of things that are 1117 00:56:36,120 --> 00:56:38,720 taboo. And, you know, and I think 1118 00:56:39,320 --> 00:56:41,760 absolutely, for different reasons, people have different 1119 00:56:41,760 --> 00:56:44,320 things that they can kind of find more palatable. 1120 00:56:44,320 --> 00:56:47,840 And like, you know, if I had someone close to me that died of 1121 00:56:47,840 --> 00:56:49,480 cancer, I know we're getting very serious. 1122 00:56:49,480 --> 00:56:52,080 But like. And then I saw that, yeah, you 1123 00:56:52,080 --> 00:56:55,120 know, maybe I would be able to like, just laugh at it life, you 1124 00:56:55,120 --> 00:56:57,520 know, fuck. But maybe it would just be 1125 00:56:57,520 --> 00:57:00,400 really too triggery for me. But yeah, I think it's 1126 00:57:00,400 --> 00:57:02,520 interesting. I think I just view, I just 1127 00:57:02,520 --> 00:57:07,600 think I'm still, I'm sort of fascinated by societies want to 1128 00:57:07,600 --> 00:57:12,400 change and constantly manipulate the way that they look and kind 1129 00:57:12,400 --> 00:57:14,720 of chase and we see it more and more, but different ways, 1130 00:57:14,720 --> 00:57:18,600 filters, plastic surgery now and people are becoming so grotesque 1131 00:57:18,720 --> 00:57:21,560 in it. And I just, I think it's just a 1132 00:57:21,560 --> 00:57:24,240 variation of that, what we're seeing. 1133 00:57:24,920 --> 00:57:27,840 We don't get to know them as like a real human being. 1134 00:57:28,880 --> 00:57:33,760 I think they just represent how fucked up beauty pageants are in 1135 00:57:33,760 --> 00:57:38,640 general and I just like. I find it just a really weird, 1136 00:57:38,720 --> 00:57:41,760 dark, funny place, but I understand it's not for 1137 00:57:41,760 --> 00:57:43,760 everyone. Yeah, it definitely like fired 1138 00:57:43,760 --> 00:57:46,960 up my brain and it got me thinking I was like, oh, is this 1139 00:57:46,960 --> 00:57:47,680 funny? Am I? 1140 00:57:47,920 --> 00:57:49,960 Am I OK to laugh at this? Why? 1141 00:57:49,960 --> 00:57:53,560 If I'm not, then why, you know, why is my line here? 1142 00:57:53,560 --> 00:57:55,000 What is that? Yeah. 1143 00:57:55,000 --> 00:57:57,120 And I think that's, I think that's really interesting too. 1144 00:57:57,240 --> 00:57:59,280 Yeah, totally. I do. 1145 00:57:59,280 --> 00:58:02,480 I do think we live in like a world where like you can now 1146 00:58:02,480 --> 00:58:05,760 just talk. A lot of comedy can be talked 1147 00:58:05,760 --> 00:58:09,320 around being inappropriate, punching down. 1148 00:58:09,360 --> 00:58:12,920 And I think we can get to a place where it's like you can 1149 00:58:12,920 --> 00:58:15,680 kind of talk yourself out of everything being funny. 1150 00:58:15,720 --> 00:58:18,200 And I do think, I don't know, it's an interesting one. 1151 00:58:18,200 --> 00:58:20,120 Like I doubt they did a lot of research. 1152 00:58:20,120 --> 00:58:23,640 I doubt there's there's someone in her life that had it or she 1153 00:58:23,640 --> 00:58:25,960 had it and she's reflecting herself, the writer. 1154 00:58:25,960 --> 00:58:29,400 Yeah, it's I doubt it comes from that sort of well earned place. 1155 00:58:29,400 --> 00:58:33,280 But at the same time, I'm just like, I think the subject matter 1156 00:58:33,280 --> 00:58:37,160 with the entire thing is it's a satirical look of America and 1157 00:58:37,160 --> 00:58:38,920 all of the kind of nastiness within it. 1158 00:58:38,920 --> 00:58:41,440 So I kind of that's how I view it more than. 1159 00:58:41,920 --> 00:58:44,480 Yeah. A commentary on that, as in as a 1160 00:58:44,480 --> 00:58:46,960 thing. It's the most like edge lordy 1161 00:58:46,960 --> 00:58:49,280 humor part of this movie. I'd say. 1162 00:58:49,280 --> 00:58:51,840 It's like, what can we get away with? 1163 00:58:52,880 --> 00:58:56,120 That that that joke for me is the one that's like the most on 1164 00:58:56,120 --> 00:58:59,200 the on that edge. But then don't you think there's 1165 00:58:59,200 --> 00:59:02,400 something so like, and I don't think you'd have this in like a 1166 00:59:02,520 --> 00:59:05,200 more mainstream straight film, Like, don't you think there's 1167 00:59:05,200 --> 00:59:09,760 something so spectacularly surreal and fucked up about her 1168 00:59:09,760 --> 00:59:12,040 lip sync? So like, don't cry out loud. 1169 00:59:12,040 --> 00:59:14,200 And I, I think that's just kind of fucking. 1170 00:59:14,440 --> 00:59:15,520 Yeah, it's kind of. Beautiful. 1171 00:59:15,520 --> 00:59:19,760 Yeah, I think it's like she's barely alive, but she's still 1172 00:59:19,760 --> 00:59:25,000 lip syncing to be part of this competition in a tiny town. 1173 00:59:25,000 --> 00:59:26,920 And it means fuck all. Yeah. 1174 00:59:27,200 --> 00:59:30,160 And then there's this, like, kind of like tragic glamour 1175 00:59:30,160 --> 00:59:31,080 about it all. I don't know. 1176 00:59:31,080 --> 00:59:35,520 I find it is fucking dark and fucking surreal, but I'm kind of 1177 00:59:35,520 --> 00:59:36,280 into it. Yeah. 1178 00:59:43,280 --> 00:59:46,360 But yeah, I think generally, I think all of the big parts are 1179 00:59:46,360 --> 00:59:48,240 just brilliant. I just think like all of the 1180 00:59:48,240 --> 00:59:53,080 smaller parts, like when we get to the bigger competition and 1181 00:59:53,080 --> 00:59:56,840 you have Terry and Colleen, they are just like, I I want to 1182 00:59:56,840 --> 00:59:58,920 watch. I want why is there not ATV 1183 00:59:58,920 --> 01:00:01,600 comedy series with just those two like chain smoking, 1184 01:00:01,600 --> 01:00:06,360 drinking, like oh Jesus Christ, I'm like so fucking funny. 1185 01:00:06,680 --> 01:00:09,000 And that see that sequence is so unnecessary. 1186 01:00:09,160 --> 01:00:13,480 It could have just ended with Amber winning at. 1187 01:00:14,600 --> 01:00:17,640 The graveyards, yes, it could. The film could have ended there. 1188 01:00:18,200 --> 01:00:21,680 But then we had this whole other section and like, also just 1189 01:00:21,680 --> 01:00:25,320 seeing the like everyone vomiting and beauty Queens 1190 01:00:25,320 --> 01:00:28,000 chundering everywhere. I just think there's something 1191 01:00:28,000 --> 01:00:31,240 so fucking surreal and wonderful about that. 1192 01:00:31,400 --> 01:00:32,800 It's so great. Yeah. 1193 01:00:33,200 --> 01:00:35,880 I was on the fence about this. I was like, is this movie like, 1194 01:00:36,160 --> 01:00:39,240 does it work that it's got all these like, additional endings? 1195 01:00:39,440 --> 01:00:42,520 I felt like pacing wise, it kind of, it was kind of like, oh, now 1196 01:00:42,520 --> 01:00:43,720 what? Oh, now we're here. 1197 01:00:43,720 --> 01:00:46,480 Oh, OK. But each of those scenes is kind 1198 01:00:46,480 --> 01:00:48,680 of perfect also. So you're like, well, I'm happy 1199 01:00:48,680 --> 01:00:50,920 I'm watching this. I think narratively it's not 1200 01:00:50,920 --> 01:00:54,560 necessarily working that well, like from a story perspective, 1201 01:00:54,560 --> 01:00:57,760 but it is great to watch this happen. 1202 01:00:58,120 --> 01:00:59,760 And it's like completely unnecessary. 1203 01:00:59,920 --> 01:01:02,960 The bit like where Amber's just staring at that girl's tits 1204 01:01:04,640 --> 01:01:08,320 because we had a boob job and it's like, OK, now we're here 1205 01:01:08,480 --> 01:01:10,960 because the whole movie is set up as this conflict between 1206 01:01:10,960 --> 01:01:12,920 Amber and Becky. And then Becky dies at like, 1207 01:01:13,320 --> 01:01:16,160 what, 2/3 of the way through the movie and you're like, OK, now 1208 01:01:16,160 --> 01:01:17,640 what are we doing? Yeah, exactly. 1209 01:01:18,040 --> 01:01:19,800 Yeah. It just feels like it doesn't 1210 01:01:19,800 --> 01:01:21,640 know where it's going towards the end. 1211 01:01:21,640 --> 01:01:25,320 And then like the whole fact that you get to the competition 1212 01:01:25,320 --> 01:01:28,240 and then it's like, oh, they've gone into like liquidation or 1213 01:01:28,240 --> 01:01:30,080 whatever. And that feels like a very oh 1214 01:01:30,080 --> 01:01:32,080 God, we need to end this. How can we end this film 1215 01:01:32,440 --> 01:01:33,960 quickly? But I like, I kind of again, 1216 01:01:33,960 --> 01:01:38,320 love all of these like young girls crying and it's all been a 1217 01:01:38,320 --> 01:01:40,880 fraud this whole time. I think again, that's like a 1218 01:01:40,880 --> 01:01:45,160 beautiful like message of like, this is all bullshit. 1219 01:01:45,600 --> 01:01:47,800 It's all fucking. Bullshit American Dreamers a 1220 01:01:47,800 --> 01:01:50,480 fucking lie. And it's like seeing like the 1221 01:01:50,480 --> 01:01:55,840 way Gladys like completely like falls apart and, you know, she's 1222 01:01:55,840 --> 01:01:58,800 trying to kill Amber. And it's like, is this, you 1223 01:01:58,800 --> 01:02:03,080 know, awful, awful human being? It's like, I just think, I just 1224 01:02:03,080 --> 01:02:04,880 think the messaging of all of that is great. 1225 01:02:04,880 --> 01:02:07,320 Like what we're seeing is not real. 1226 01:02:07,920 --> 01:02:10,480 And like the people that fall down are the ones falling down. 1227 01:02:10,480 --> 01:02:13,840 And yeah, I just think it's like a very, it's still, I watch it 1228 01:02:13,840 --> 01:02:16,080 and I still think, God, this is America still. 1229 01:02:16,200 --> 01:02:18,080 Yeah, yeah. It's so funny you were. 1230 01:02:18,160 --> 01:02:21,840 You mentioned Erica Kirk, because I was thinking, watching 1231 01:02:21,840 --> 01:02:24,240 him, like, oh, these people don't really exist, but you're 1232 01:02:24,240 --> 01:02:27,280 right, they fucking do. And actually, they exist more 1233 01:02:27,280 --> 01:02:30,200 now than they did probably when this movie got made because the 1234 01:02:30,200 --> 01:02:34,520 world has gone beyond satire. And Gladys is like in the House 1235 01:02:34,520 --> 01:02:36,520 of Representatives now. Gladys is. 1236 01:02:37,040 --> 01:02:38,280 Yeah. She's like Marjorie. 1237 01:02:38,360 --> 01:02:39,480 Taylor Green, she's got out there. 1238 01:02:39,760 --> 01:02:43,200 Yeah, definitely. Like, she, she got power and 1239 01:02:43,200 --> 01:02:45,680 actually she's running shit in a real way now. 1240 01:02:45,960 --> 01:02:49,240 And people are falling for it in a, in a way that like when I was 1241 01:02:49,240 --> 01:02:51,200 a kid watching this movie, I was like, yeah, at least everyone 1242 01:02:51,200 --> 01:02:54,200 knows that, you know, you don't fall for this shit. 1243 01:02:54,320 --> 01:02:58,520 But no, people have bought. In and people are poor and 1244 01:02:58,560 --> 01:03:02,520 people are stuck in situations still and people are aspiring to 1245 01:03:02,520 --> 01:03:04,480 bullshit that's just been fed to them. 1246 01:03:04,600 --> 01:03:07,600 They're utter crap. That's so upsetting. 1247 01:03:09,040 --> 01:03:10,800 Yeah. I mean, it's like it's bleak. 1248 01:03:10,800 --> 01:03:13,400 The whole subject matter with the film is really bleak. 1249 01:03:13,560 --> 01:03:17,480 But like you said, and then, like, you know, the sort of the 1250 01:03:17,480 --> 01:03:21,360 fact that Amber Atkins fulfills her ambition of being a 1251 01:03:21,360 --> 01:03:25,080 newscaster all because of the deaths of other people and 1252 01:03:25,080 --> 01:03:28,480 arguably, like, Rebecca Van Lehman is a bad person, but she 1253 01:03:28,480 --> 01:03:32,160 didn't do the killings. She definitely shot that boy in 1254 01:03:32,160 --> 01:03:33,720 the head. I don't believe in the 1255 01:03:33,720 --> 01:03:35,920 glorification of murder. Oh, OK. 1256 01:03:35,920 --> 01:03:38,760 Well, she killed one. She killed 1 Jock. 1257 01:03:38,800 --> 01:03:42,320 OK, the details. Was she deserving of death? 1258 01:03:42,600 --> 01:03:44,720 Did she have a bright future ahead of her? 1259 01:03:45,200 --> 01:03:47,480 She didn't deserve to die on that swan. 1260 01:03:48,440 --> 01:03:51,160 She was going to be a big musical theatre star or a 1261 01:03:51,200 --> 01:03:55,680 cabaret artist like me. I do believe in the empowerment 1262 01:03:55,680 --> 01:03:56,560 of women. But no. 1263 01:03:56,560 --> 01:04:00,480 But like, the fact that Amber Atkins achieves what she needed 1264 01:04:00,480 --> 01:04:04,560 to through luck and through bad circumstances of other people is 1265 01:04:04,560 --> 01:04:08,120 just like, it's another really cynical way of filming. 1266 01:04:08,640 --> 01:04:11,600 It's so simple this. Film and also the fact that, you 1267 01:04:11,600 --> 01:04:14,080 know, she's ended up on a local news station, probably like a 1268 01:04:14,080 --> 01:04:19,320 Fox News affiliate, peddling like garbage, served by some 1269 01:04:19,320 --> 01:04:20,800 billionaire who lives in Australia. 1270 01:04:20,800 --> 01:04:25,040 Like she also like her dream was it was a low hanging. 1271 01:04:25,040 --> 01:04:27,800 It was a low dream. Yeah, basically, yeah. 1272 01:04:27,800 --> 01:04:31,400 Like none of them have really managed to get out of this any 1273 01:04:31,400 --> 01:04:34,760 further. But yeah, America welcome. 1274 01:04:37,560 --> 01:04:41,080 Real life sucks losers dry. I don't want to fuck. 1275 01:04:41,080 --> 01:04:43,320 With the Eagles, you have to learn to fly. 1276 01:04:43,960 --> 01:04:46,560 It's just one of those films like I've like, it's so 1277 01:04:46,560 --> 01:04:49,480 quotable. There's so many amazing lines in 1278 01:04:49,480 --> 01:04:51,960 this, and I feel like we could just go into every single scene. 1279 01:04:51,960 --> 01:04:54,280 I could talk for an hour on each, but the. 1280 01:04:54,280 --> 01:04:59,600 Jokes are so dense like joke, joke, joke, joke, joke and so 1281 01:04:59,600 --> 01:05:00,840 many. Also, the pettiness. 1282 01:05:00,840 --> 01:05:03,880 Can we talk about the pettiness of characters like the bit where 1283 01:05:04,080 --> 01:05:09,560 Amber's like her trailer park has been set on fire, that 1284 01:05:09,600 --> 01:05:16,320 itself and a huge polystyrene ball of clothes has like become 1285 01:05:16,320 --> 01:05:20,400 like an asteroid. And as as it was happening and 1286 01:05:20,400 --> 01:05:23,120 as her mother was getting flung through the trailer bar, she 1287 01:05:23,120 --> 01:05:26,800 managed to grab an old dress and save her like outfit. 1288 01:05:26,880 --> 01:05:28,760 Amazing. And then the fact that then 1289 01:05:28,760 --> 01:05:33,480 Amber goes to dance in it, and then Gladys Lehman's like, oh, 1290 01:05:33,480 --> 01:05:38,160 sweetie, the costumes need to be a week in advance. 1291 01:05:38,160 --> 01:05:40,800 I couldn't have you going out in a tiny thing like that. 1292 01:05:40,800 --> 01:05:43,200 It wouldn't be. There are children in the 1293 01:05:43,200 --> 01:05:46,280 audience. And it's just that kind of, I 1294 01:05:46,280 --> 01:05:48,720 just love all of that bitchiness between it. 1295 01:05:49,520 --> 01:05:52,840 And then how's it going? This isn't this isn't Nazi 1296 01:05:52,840 --> 01:05:54,840 Germany. This isn't a beauty pageant. 1297 01:05:54,960 --> 01:05:57,240 This is Nazi Germany. Yeah. 1298 01:05:57,640 --> 01:06:00,760 Where do they get this stuff so good? 1299 01:06:00,960 --> 01:06:04,600 And the conga dance and them doing their fucking dancing 1300 01:06:04,600 --> 01:06:09,600 dance routines to like the actual talent show itself, the 1301 01:06:09,600 --> 01:06:14,120 production values of them walking around and like, showing 1302 01:06:14,120 --> 01:06:16,840 off their costumes. And Amy Adams like wanking the 1303 01:06:16,840 --> 01:06:20,120 statue on her head. What does Denise Richard say 1304 01:06:20,120 --> 01:06:23,600 with the faces? Living in a country where you 1305 01:06:23,600 --> 01:06:27,640 can take a stupid mountain and put faces on it, faces of great 1306 01:06:27,640 --> 01:06:30,400 Americans who made this country what is so great. 1307 01:06:30,640 --> 01:06:33,320 That's what makes me proud to be an American. 1308 01:06:34,320 --> 01:06:35,840 So good. Yeah. 1309 01:06:36,160 --> 01:06:38,600 Her line also. Like if you were a tree, what 1310 01:06:38,600 --> 01:06:41,560 tree would you be? Oh, I'd be like a. 1311 01:06:42,280 --> 01:06:46,400 Tree with a strong trunk of good Christian values and wide 1312 01:06:46,400 --> 01:06:50,360 branches so I can cast shade on disabled children. 1313 01:06:50,560 --> 01:06:54,760 Incredible. Yeah, all of that is so good. 1314 01:06:55,080 --> 01:06:57,880 It is great, though, that not many men feature in the movie. 1315 01:06:57,880 --> 01:07:01,600 Oh my God, yeah. It's just, it's just women being 1316 01:07:01,680 --> 01:07:05,280 all kinds of different women and behaving badly and like, yeah, 1317 01:07:05,440 --> 01:07:07,320 it's so, it's so great. I mean. 1318 01:07:07,400 --> 01:07:10,080 The fact there's no men in it, well then then the men are like 1319 01:07:10,200 --> 01:07:12,360 will douchebags. Are all douchebags? 1320 01:07:12,760 --> 01:07:15,120 Yeah. Except maybe, like some of the 1321 01:07:15,720 --> 01:07:17,720 documentary crew, you get a sense. 1322 01:07:17,840 --> 01:07:20,400 They're kind of like, yeah, but I cannot. 1323 01:07:20,400 --> 01:07:24,440 I can understand why this film wasn't a commercial hit. 1324 01:07:25,120 --> 01:07:27,600 Yeah, it's like, I guess particular kind of humor. 1325 01:07:27,600 --> 01:07:28,960 Totally. And I think the studio didn't 1326 01:07:28,960 --> 01:07:31,440 know again what to do with it. It's one of those movies that 1327 01:07:31,440 --> 01:07:34,040 like they had no idea how to market it. 1328 01:07:34,080 --> 01:07:38,800 And they actually apparently they got, they saw the the edit 1329 01:07:38,800 --> 01:07:41,920 and they were like, oh. What do you want? 1330 01:07:41,920 --> 01:07:44,240 It to be more like clueless. What do you know at the end? 1331 01:07:44,680 --> 01:07:48,760 The original ending was that Gladys Lehman just hangs 1332 01:07:48,760 --> 01:07:50,080 herself. Right. 1333 01:07:50,080 --> 01:07:53,160 Yeah. So the shot in jail is like, 1334 01:07:53,280 --> 01:07:57,480 it's another contestant at the beauty pageant who goes on the 1335 01:07:57,480 --> 01:07:58,920 killing spree. Yeah. 1336 01:07:58,920 --> 01:08:00,880 And then Gladys Lehman is just found hanging. 1337 01:08:00,880 --> 01:08:02,800 And they were just like, too dark. 1338 01:08:02,800 --> 01:08:05,080 They were like, what the fuck? This is, Yeah. 1339 01:08:05,560 --> 01:08:07,960 Which is interesting. And it makes me more interested 1340 01:08:07,960 --> 01:08:09,840 in the writer because I think she did. 1341 01:08:10,240 --> 01:08:12,880 She was like burned by the Hollywood experience because she 1342 01:08:12,880 --> 01:08:15,120 did a second film called Sugar and Spice. 1343 01:08:15,120 --> 01:08:18,000 Yeah. And that had so many changes 1344 01:08:18,120 --> 01:08:22,279 from and the studios, etcetera, that she ended up changing her 1345 01:08:22,279 --> 01:08:24,359 name and just having like a fake credit. 1346 01:08:24,359 --> 01:08:26,040 She didn't want to be associated with it. 1347 01:08:26,040 --> 01:08:28,279 So yeah. But again, a really interesting 1348 01:08:28,279 --> 01:08:31,600 era of these kind of like weird mainstream teen films that are 1349 01:08:31,600 --> 01:08:35,720 like trying to do something darker and interesting. 1350 01:08:35,920 --> 01:08:37,240 Yeah, it's great. It's great. 1351 01:08:37,439 --> 01:08:39,920 And like a studio not knowing what to do and being upset with 1352 01:08:39,920 --> 01:08:43,040 that product and like trying to market it in some way that like 1353 01:08:43,359 --> 01:08:45,279 they think will be more of a mainstream. 1354 01:08:45,600 --> 01:08:48,120 The fact that it then just also disappeared off streaming. 1355 01:08:48,120 --> 01:08:50,439 And it's like the studio did this still was like, oh, we 1356 01:08:50,439 --> 01:08:53,200 don't, yeah, this isn't. We don't. 1357 01:08:53,200 --> 01:08:54,600 We're not proud of this one. Do. 1358 01:08:54,760 --> 01:08:56,160 You know what I mean? Totally. 1359 01:08:56,200 --> 01:08:58,000 Like that. And so the fact that it like, 1360 01:08:58,000 --> 01:09:01,319 had to be kept alive by people like who were like, I saw this 1361 01:09:01,319 --> 01:09:04,359 movie 15 years ago, it's not possible to watch it. 1362 01:09:04,479 --> 01:09:08,120 Yeah, for me, I just had it on video, so I'd like, I kept on to 1363 01:09:08,120 --> 01:09:09,479 it. And then I think I got a DVD 1364 01:09:09,479 --> 01:09:13,479 from America, right, that I found on like eBay or something. 1365 01:09:13,920 --> 01:09:16,160 But yeah, it wasn't. And it was like then my prized 1366 01:09:16,160 --> 01:09:19,319 possession, I had it as a like an artifact. 1367 01:09:19,359 --> 01:09:22,720 Yeah, I mean, underdog Flop reclaimed. 1368 01:09:23,200 --> 01:09:25,479 Yeah. But yeah, I guess it's just like 1369 01:09:25,840 --> 01:09:30,600 you just you just wouldn't get a film like this now because 1370 01:09:30,600 --> 01:09:33,479 studios, unless it was a complete indie film, just 1371 01:09:33,479 --> 01:09:36,359 because I feel like the studios would just like bash a lot. 1372 01:09:36,399 --> 01:09:39,000 They would like either ramp up stuff even further. 1373 01:09:39,160 --> 01:09:41,040 But yeah, I just can't see it being made now. 1374 01:09:42,160 --> 01:09:44,720 I'm trying to think of something kind of equivalent, I guess 1375 01:09:44,720 --> 01:09:48,600 something like the substance is a little bit black comedy in the 1376 01:09:48,600 --> 01:09:53,520 same sort of way, and kind of that like satirical look at fame 1377 01:09:53,520 --> 01:09:55,520 and. Yeah, I guess that was like. 1378 01:09:56,400 --> 01:09:57,560 Quite. That is indie. 1379 01:09:57,560 --> 01:10:00,080 Indie that was like blew up though wasn't Yeah, but like the 1380 01:10:00,080 --> 01:10:02,200 fact this was like a big. Right. 1381 01:10:02,760 --> 01:10:05,280 Well, a bigger mainstream teen flick. 1382 01:10:05,480 --> 01:10:08,080 Yeah. It's like when at the beginning 1383 01:10:08,080 --> 01:10:09,760 of the episode when you're saying some of the other films 1384 01:10:09,760 --> 01:10:12,600 that are coming out at the time of this, I'm like, wow, it 1385 01:10:12,600 --> 01:10:13,760 really. You really understand there's 1386 01:10:13,760 --> 01:10:16,440 like teenagers where what camp you fit into? 1387 01:10:16,440 --> 01:10:18,280 Do you know what I mean? It's like either you were going 1388 01:10:18,280 --> 01:10:21,640 to see American Pie and loving wank jokes about shoving it in a 1389 01:10:21,640 --> 01:10:26,040 pie or you're kind of getting off on like this very fucking 1390 01:10:26,040 --> 01:10:29,080 weird look on like American culture. 1391 01:10:29,080 --> 01:10:33,440 Yeah, the director said. This movie is for the girls who 1392 01:10:33,440 --> 01:10:35,760 went to Clueless and were like fuck them. 1393 01:10:37,960 --> 01:10:39,400 I love. That it's so good. 1394 01:10:39,400 --> 01:10:43,480 I love that and I like Clueless. But yeah, so do I. 1395 01:10:43,520 --> 01:10:45,680 Yeah. Yeah, it's very bad, yeah. 1396 01:10:47,960 --> 01:10:49,880 Should we rate this movie? Let's do it. 1397 01:10:50,680 --> 01:10:54,160 So Merrill's quality of the movie, I think I'm going to 1398 01:10:54,160 --> 01:10:57,680 score it pretty high. I I think for like a 1399 01:10:57,680 --> 01:11:00,920 mockumentary black comedy, like I don't know what more do you 1400 01:11:00,920 --> 01:11:03,200 really want. The performances are great. 1401 01:11:05,080 --> 01:11:08,080 I think plot wise maybe like there's some issues with the 1402 01:11:08,080 --> 01:11:12,360 multiple endings that it kind of flounders a bit there. 1403 01:11:12,720 --> 01:11:14,800 But like, I don't really have many notes. 1404 01:11:15,080 --> 01:11:18,680 Yeah, I agree. I like, I think as a film 1405 01:11:18,680 --> 01:11:21,960 technically it is too long. Like it just needs a hard edit 1406 01:11:21,960 --> 01:11:24,120 at the end. I think there's a few too many 1407 01:11:24,120 --> 01:11:26,520 ideas and they don't really know which one to stick with. 1408 01:11:26,560 --> 01:11:29,920 I love, I find it so enjoyable, but I just think it does go on a 1409 01:11:29,920 --> 01:11:32,400 little bit. And yeah. 1410 01:11:32,400 --> 01:11:36,360 And aside from like a few moments that are like, 1411 01:11:36,680 --> 01:11:39,960 problematic, which could be tidied up. 1412 01:11:39,960 --> 01:11:42,640 And I think, you know, if you remade the film now and you 1413 01:11:42,640 --> 01:11:46,840 still were going to do that, there are ways of doing things 1414 01:11:46,840 --> 01:11:49,000 differently. But I think, yeah, I think it 1415 01:11:49,000 --> 01:11:52,200 pretty much delivers, and I think the performances are all 1416 01:11:52,200 --> 01:11:54,320 really stellar. Like everyone's at the top of 1417 01:11:54,320 --> 01:11:56,680 the game. Yeah, they know exactly what 1418 01:11:56,680 --> 01:11:57,360 they're doing. Yeah. 1419 01:11:57,360 --> 01:11:59,920 And I just think imagine, like, being on a lineup like that with 1420 01:11:59,920 --> 01:12:03,600 so many other, like, female actors, and everybody has 1421 01:12:03,600 --> 01:12:05,320 delivered what they need to deliver. 1422 01:12:05,360 --> 01:12:08,000 Yeah, I just think. And Kirstie Alley was a 1423 01:12:08,000 --> 01:12:10,440 Scientologist at the time. Spectacular. 1424 01:12:10,440 --> 01:12:13,400 Christie Alley turned out to be exactly her character, yeah. 1425 01:12:14,720 --> 01:12:17,560 That's so upsetting. Wild. 1426 01:12:17,560 --> 01:12:20,120 So wild. Yeah, I think I'm going to give 1427 01:12:20,120 --> 01:12:22,120 it a nine. Right, think I'm going to give 1428 01:12:22,120 --> 01:12:24,200 it an 8. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 1429 01:12:24,200 --> 01:12:28,040 OK, then how about Liza's? So yeah, I was thinking about 1430 01:12:28,040 --> 01:12:31,000 this on the way here. It's like underdog flop vibes, 1431 01:12:31,000 --> 01:12:35,920 queer joy, stupid fun and ongoing legacy. 1432 01:12:35,920 --> 01:12:43,320 It's like, yeah, it's there. The only thing that like dampen 1433 01:12:43,320 --> 01:12:46,840 some of the queer joy for me is like the jokes at the expense of 1434 01:12:46,840 --> 01:12:51,000 the person with an intellectual disability who is not even an 1435 01:12:51,000 --> 01:12:53,280 actor with that. That's the only thing that like, 1436 01:12:54,320 --> 01:12:58,240 but if I like snip that out of my brain, it's like a perfect 1437 01:12:58,240 --> 01:13:00,240 camp movie. I know what you're going to give 1438 01:13:00,240 --> 01:13:01,240 it. No, you don't. 1439 01:13:01,280 --> 01:13:04,720 You don't know me. OK, what are your lines? 1440 01:13:04,800 --> 01:13:07,720 I'm 100% ten this like this film. 1441 01:13:08,400 --> 01:13:10,880 So I think it's like when we talk about like, you know, our 1442 01:13:10,880 --> 01:13:14,040 own queerness and like what unlocks joy Queen is we spoke 1443 01:13:14,040 --> 01:13:15,440 about like Mortal Kombat for you. 1444 01:13:15,440 --> 01:13:18,440 You have it's it's a film that has stayed with you. 1445 01:13:18,440 --> 01:13:20,680 Yeah, that you've watched so many times. 1446 01:13:20,680 --> 01:13:23,200 And like whether or not you realize that you've probably 1447 01:13:23,200 --> 01:13:25,760 watched that in times of like loneliness, sadness, it's 1448 01:13:25,760 --> 01:13:27,600 brought it's done something to you. 1449 01:13:27,960 --> 01:13:31,520 And this film just like it's been there for me from like 1450 01:13:31,520 --> 01:13:34,920 being a very like awkward teenager into being a very 1451 01:13:34,920 --> 01:13:37,920 awkward adult. And it's, I've just, yeah, I've. 1452 01:13:37,920 --> 01:13:42,360 And I think it's just like it. My humour is all over this. 1453 01:13:42,360 --> 01:13:45,160 And I'm not saying that I'm like joking about like the 1454 01:13:45,160 --> 01:13:47,480 problematic areas because I don't think I do do that. 1455 01:13:47,480 --> 01:13:51,720 But I just, I love the like way it just takes a look at life and 1456 01:13:51,720 --> 01:13:54,360 just kind of, yeah, it's so cynical. 1457 01:13:54,360 --> 01:13:57,600 And I just, I think a lot of like my humour has come from 1458 01:13:57,600 --> 01:14:00,080 this film. And like I still do things as a 1459 01:14:00,080 --> 01:14:02,920 performer and as an individual that subliminally quotes stuff 1460 01:14:02,920 --> 01:14:04,880 from it. Like, one thing I always do it 1461 01:14:04,880 --> 01:14:08,840 when I perform is like, you know, the character who's like, 1462 01:14:08,840 --> 01:14:11,520 deaf and she's like sign language with the piano. 1463 01:14:11,720 --> 01:14:13,480 That's how I like links to tracks. 1464 01:14:13,480 --> 01:14:15,520 I don't think she said, Mr. Conductor, if you please, but I 1465 01:14:15,520 --> 01:14:17,320 say it in the same way. And that's from that. 1466 01:14:17,440 --> 01:14:19,120 And no one would ever know it. They wouldn't be like, oh, 1467 01:14:19,120 --> 01:14:21,400 you're doing that. But it's just, I used to find 1468 01:14:21,400 --> 01:14:24,640 that apparently she made-up all of that sign language, which is 1469 01:14:24,800 --> 01:14:26,720 even more problematic. Oops. 1470 01:14:26,800 --> 01:14:28,920 Sorry. Yeah. 1471 01:14:28,920 --> 01:14:31,680 I just think it's great. And I just love seeing, like, 1472 01:14:31,680 --> 01:14:35,080 funny women. I love funny women so much like, 1473 01:14:35,520 --> 01:14:39,120 and there's so much like because I work in TV and so much in my 1474 01:14:39,120 --> 01:14:41,880 life, I've been told that women aren't funny in comedy. 1475 01:14:42,040 --> 01:14:44,480 We work in TV, women aren't funny. 1476 01:14:44,760 --> 01:14:47,000 And we know that's not true. Yeah, there's no, that's not 1477 01:14:47,000 --> 01:14:49,320 true. But I just think there's so many 1478 01:14:49,320 --> 01:14:51,560 funny women in so many different ways in this movie, and I just 1479 01:14:51,560 --> 01:14:54,320 want to celebrate them. So I'm giving it to 10. 1480 01:14:54,560 --> 01:14:55,880 I love that. Yeah. 1481 01:14:55,920 --> 01:14:59,480 I mean, as far as this, as far as like the the point of view of 1482 01:14:59,480 --> 01:15:04,480 this movie, which is like giving the underdog in society a voice 1483 01:15:04,520 --> 01:15:08,520 and like showing the underdogs that life is fucking shit and 1484 01:15:08,520 --> 01:15:10,680 it's not fair and like making fun of all of that. 1485 01:15:10,680 --> 01:15:13,120 It's just so perfect from that perspective. 1486 01:15:13,360 --> 01:15:17,160 And it makes me so happy to see it's it's such a fun, it's a 1487 01:15:17,160 --> 01:15:18,840 funny movie. It's like, I feel like you 1488 01:15:18,840 --> 01:15:20,920 wouldn't show it to everyone. Like you have friends. 1489 01:15:20,920 --> 01:15:23,920 You'd be like, Oh, no, I, I wouldn't recommend this movie to 1490 01:15:23,920 --> 01:15:26,840 you, But there is lots of like, you know, you've got a good 1491 01:15:27,040 --> 01:15:28,920 person in your life. If you're like, oh. 1492 01:15:29,320 --> 01:15:31,680 That's the one. Yeah, you'll like this movie, 1493 01:15:31,840 --> 01:15:35,360 Yeah. But yeah, it's acquired. 1494 01:15:35,360 --> 01:15:37,800 It's not, it's not going to be for everyone. 1495 01:15:37,800 --> 01:15:38,920 It's definitely not for everyone. 1496 01:15:39,360 --> 01:15:41,960 I'll give it a 10 too. Oh, welcome. 1497 01:15:41,960 --> 01:15:45,640 Yeah, I mean, what we can't see is I've actually got a gun. 1498 01:15:46,240 --> 01:15:48,440 I'm going to gladness leave in your ass. 1499 01:15:48,440 --> 01:15:51,040 I've got like snipers around the room. 1500 01:15:51,480 --> 01:15:54,560 What are we saying again about drop dead gorgeous? 1501 01:15:55,120 --> 01:15:58,960 I actually if we didn't give it a 10 and listen, I will say I 1502 01:15:58,960 --> 01:16:02,080 hear the critiques. I hear them loud and wide, but I 1503 01:16:02,080 --> 01:16:05,200 think as we've discussed the goods on this sort of managed to 1504 01:16:05,200 --> 01:16:07,960 just outshine them slightly. But I would quit this podcast. 1505 01:16:07,960 --> 01:16:11,800 If this didn't get a 10 Liza Minnelli's I would quit. 1506 01:16:13,920 --> 01:16:17,480 That's I've been done. That's what I was afraid of. 1507 01:16:18,400 --> 01:16:20,760 I was like, I'm going to give it a nine, I'm going to give it a 1508 01:16:20,760 --> 01:16:22,760 nine, and then I crumble. Do you want to give it a nine? 1509 01:16:22,760 --> 01:16:24,640 Give it a nine. No, I no, I don't. 1510 01:16:24,760 --> 01:16:28,880 I don't I I love this movie. I'm glad it exists. 1511 01:16:28,880 --> 01:16:33,440 It's like it is the kind of camp that needs celebrating. 1512 01:16:33,840 --> 01:16:37,160 And as gay people, we're practiced in just squinting our 1513 01:16:37,160 --> 01:16:38,760 eyes when we see something we don't like. 1514 01:16:38,760 --> 01:16:41,280 And we can just, you know, omit that. 1515 01:16:41,640 --> 01:16:44,080 It's like showgirls, like, oh, yeah. 1516 01:16:44,920 --> 01:16:48,160 Like when we do showgirls, it's going to get a 10, and we're 1517 01:16:48,160 --> 01:16:51,000 going to have to live with that. So yeah. 1518 01:16:52,320 --> 01:16:53,680 And that's much more problematic. 1519 01:16:54,280 --> 01:16:56,240 Well, yeah. I mean, life is problematic. 1520 01:16:56,240 --> 01:16:58,600 Yes, we're problematic. Yeah. 1521 01:16:58,960 --> 01:17:01,160 The thing I do find funny with all of this is we have no 1522 01:17:01,160 --> 01:17:02,640 problem with people just being killed. 1523 01:17:02,640 --> 01:17:03,720 That's. Oh God. 1524 01:17:03,720 --> 01:17:05,600 No. That's the free line of our 1525 01:17:05,600 --> 01:17:07,680 podcast. Like, yeah, let's talk about the 1526 01:17:07,680 --> 01:17:10,080 difficult subjects, things that we are offensive. 1527 01:17:10,240 --> 01:17:13,240 Let's talk about punching down. Let's, like talk about not 1528 01:17:13,240 --> 01:17:15,160 settling on things. Murder, fine. 1529 01:17:15,160 --> 01:17:18,560 Yeah, I do believe in the empowerment of women. 1530 01:17:18,760 --> 01:17:21,800 Yeah, exploding in a swan. No problem. 1531 01:17:21,800 --> 01:17:24,800 I mean, what a way to go. It's a gorgeous 1 though. 1532 01:17:24,800 --> 01:17:27,160 It is. Well, that's drop dead gorgeous. 1533 01:17:27,720 --> 01:17:29,640 I guess we'll be back in two weeks with. 1534 01:17:29,920 --> 01:17:32,520 Notes on a scandal. Notes on a scandal. 1535 01:17:32,520 --> 01:17:34,680 I can't wait. So what is it you want to roll 1536 01:17:34,680 --> 01:17:37,080 around the floor like lovers? Thanks for being here. 1537 01:17:37,280 --> 01:17:40,760 We'll see you in two more weeks with another Camp Classic. 1538 01:17:40,920 --> 01:17:43,360 Just because this film, we've not done any of the quotes 1539 01:17:43,360 --> 01:17:45,200 really, but finished us off on one. 1540 01:17:45,480 --> 01:17:48,320 In the words of Gladys, it's always hard to see the young 1541 01:17:48,320 --> 01:17:51,680 ones called home, especially on an exploding thresher. 1542 01:17:52,920 --> 01:17:56,400 Bye. Get away from her you bitch. 1543 01:17:58,280 --> 01:18:01,520 Classic. He was in the Amazon with my mom 1544 01:18:01,560 --> 01:18:04,240 when she was researching spiders right before she died. 1545 01:18:05,240 --> 01:18:11,840 You thought you become a prostitute or a. 1546 01:18:11,920 --> 01:18:14,600 Dog at it. I used to love doggy chow. 1547 01:18:15,920 --> 01:18:17,560 I used to love doggy chow too.