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Get away from her you bitch. 
Classic. 

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He was in the Amazon of my mom 
when she was researching spiders

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right before she died. 
No. 

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Hi, no, you thought you become a
prostitute or a dog at it. 

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I used to love doggy chow. 
I used to love doggy chow too. 

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I will not be. 
I knew you were going to go for 

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that one. 
Well, well, seeing as I'm the 

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singer of the duo, it makes 
sense to Go and Cher say the 

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line. 
I will not be upstaged by some 

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slut with mutant lungs. 
I'm Crystal. 

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How many God damn times have I 
peeled you off the sidewalk? 

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How many blackouts? 
And how many times have I held 

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your head over the toilet bowl? 
Well, you throw up everything 

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but your memories, Crystal. 
I'm baby lame. 

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Should we say the other one 
together? 

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Oh, we that basic? 
Oh no, let's do it, Wagon Wheel.

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Want to see? 
We're going to have to lean into

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basic today. 
Welcome to camp. 

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Classic. 
A thoughtful podcast about 

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really high quality movies. 
Every two weeks, us 2 benders 

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sit around and discuss gay 
little movies and decide if 

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they're camp or not. 
And slowly take over the world. 

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Actually, I'm glad you brought 
that up. 

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This wasn't even have we? 
Taken over the world. 

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Well, I was just interested, you
know, before recording to, I was

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like, I wonder where our 
listeners are. 

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And so I went and did a deep 
dive into the analytics. 

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Oh, or as I call them, the anal 
lytics. 

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And you know, I just thought we 
could reveal where some of you 

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are listening from. 
We've got 48% of our listeners 

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are in the United States. 
Oh yeah. 24% are in the UK. 

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Oh. 
Fuck our drag. 

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I mean, that is in line with our
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2026. 
Yeah, well, we've cracked the 

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US, OK. 
I think that's what that means, 

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Samantha. 
Jones. 6% in Canada, 5% in 

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Australia. 
Also 6% in Canada. 

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They they hate you in Canada. 
There's not many people. 

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There's not many people in 
Canada. 

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We've got .3% of our listeners 
in India. 

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Yes, we have. 
We've got 20 listeners in Milton

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Keynes. 20 yeah. 
Oh, so is that that sounds like 

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we need to do a live podcast 
from. 

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I think Milton Keynes, we're 
coming to you soon. 

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Coming to a roundabout near you.
We've got 6 listeners in Salt 

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Lake City. 
Oh. 

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Yeah, we have 5 listeners in 
Auckland, New Zealand. 

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Oh, we are international, truly 
global. 3 listeners in Winnipeg 

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and there's one person listening
in Iceland. 

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Oh. 
Just just one. 

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Just one. 
OK, well, there's lots of 

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territories we haven't. 
Yeah, cracked. 

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I mean, we've, they're listening
to us in Finland, in South Korea

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and Sweden, in Germany. 
Oh, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow. 

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Well, thank you for listening. 
Yeah, it's to another year of 

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our bullshit. 
Where can we spread our little 

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parasitic diseases to next? 
The limit does not exist. 

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We also have a gay tree on where
you can subscribe if you like 

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the show. 
It's £4 a month. 

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You get a bonus episode every 
month and you help us make the 

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show. 
It makes it possible. 

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And in a world of AI content 
taking over, we are authentic 

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and real. 
That's all I can say. 

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I don't think anyone's ever said
that about me before. 

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Yeah, you're not AI though are. 
You. 

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No, I am better. 
I am one tiny, meager step above

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that. 
Yeah, OK. 

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But yeah, but maybe not 
authentic and real, but OK. 

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So you're like the middle 
between AI and? 

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Whereas you, Yeah, you're just 
holding it down. 

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You're a real girl. 
You're Jennifer Lopez from the 

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streets. 
You never forgot where you came 

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from. 
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A bin. 
OK, we're going to get on 

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today's movie. 
But before we do, it's time to 

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have a little rummage in our 
suggestion sack. 

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We still called the suggestion 
Sack, Yeah. 

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We are still looking for a 
better name for the suggestion 

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sack SO. 
Be quick because merch will be 

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soon be processed with 
suggestion sack on it so if. 

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You've got anything better? 
We want to know, but. 

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No, I think you should fist the 
suggestion sack today. 

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OK with those wizardy ads. 
Oh, that's it a bit deeper. 

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OK, what have we got? 
OK, right. 

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An upcoming movie on the podcast
that we will be covering is Oh 

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This Is Fun Mannequin suggested 
by Jade. 

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Oh, that is a good one. 
Yeah. 

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Kim Cattrall. 
Yeah, great. 

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Hollywood. 
I haven't seen it for so many 

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years. 
Like years and years. 

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Hollywood. 
Do you remember the new gay 

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black guy? 
No. 

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But I do remember him, but I 
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Hollywood. 
I don't. 

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I think his name's Hollywood. 
His name's Hollywood, yeah. 

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The visual merits and Jazzer, 
and that's something of a 

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different movie, but great. 
I'm really excited by that one. 

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Thank you, Jade. 
I don't know when we're covering

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this. 
It'll probably be in March. 

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Yeah, but great. 
Thank you, Jade. 

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Also load us up with your more 
of your suggestions. 

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This every suggestion gets 
entered into our sack. 

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I mean, that's just like the 
rules of feminism. 

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But baby, before we go any 
further, what makes a camp 

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classic? 
Well thanks for asking Crystal. 

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A camp classic is something that
unlocks queer joy. 

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In the words of the icon 
herself, Megan Fox. 

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We won a wedding. 
It needs to be stupid. 

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It needs to have an ongoing 
legacy and inform queer pop 

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culture and ultimately should be
anti mainstream with underdog 

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flop vibes that's been reclaimed
by the F slurs. 

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And today we are covering 
burlesque. 

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Burlesque. 
This movie. 

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Fucking hell. 
Wow. 

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What a ride. 
What is your history with the 

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film Burlesque? 
I think, I think it's informed 

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my life in many ways I haven't 
know. 

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I saw. 
I love that, right? 

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Yeah, camp clue, you have done a
drag number from this this 

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movie. 
Oh yeah, bitch, I am a good 

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girl. 
I was just thinking of you when 

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she was doing it and I prefer 
your version. 

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Oh do. 
You. 

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Oh, I thought, well, it is. 
It is the acting debut. 

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It is soul acting debut. 
Not even a cameo in another film

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of Miss Ekstina herself. 
Yeah. 

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She does OK, Yeah, I think. 
What about you? 

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What's your history? 
I must have seen it when it came

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out. 
I was already pretty snobby, so 

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I was definitely too good for 
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I do. 
You know what? 

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Going into this episode, I was 
like, this is one of those ones.

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This is every now and again, 
Crystal gets a little bit snobby

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about certain films, and she's a
little bit too. 

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Fucking good. 
For them. 

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And do you know what? 
I knew that this was going to be

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that film, and I knew you were 
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you're very clever, don't you? 
But I get like that as well, 

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with certain feels. 
I'm like, well, I'm never going 

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to like that because it's the 
coolest thing. 

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Oh, fuck you. 
But yeah, I could. 

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I knew that you'd be Snooty 
about this. 

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Oh, absolutely. 
But I mean, it's from an era of 

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like Sex and the City, the movie
Devil Wears Prada, you know? 

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Oh, this film and Devil Wears 
Prada are very. 

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Similar, yeah, sister films. 
And it's it's like when when 

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studios realized, oh, there are 
huns and we can take their 

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money. 
And gays as well. 

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Huns and gays and and now we're 
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it's like, and we've realized 
now we can turn those franchises

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into musicals and brunches and 
like it's just. 

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And now we're past that. 
It's. 

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Slop isn't it? 
But I, I enjoyed it then. 

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I've watched it since, and I 
watched it this weekend. 

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And it, you know what? 
It went down smooth. 

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OK. 
No Lube needed. 

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It was easy. 
Yeah. 

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We're covering burlesque. 
I'm excited to talk about this. 

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There's so much to say. 
I have, I mean, and now we're 

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part of visual podcast. 
We're not fully I have pages of 

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notes and just our listeners 
listen. 

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I have. 
It's like I've written a 

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dissertation on this. 
OK, I don't have that much, but 

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there is there's so many places 
we can go with this because, you

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know, you and I both have like 
burlesque history. 

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We've both been in the nightclub
circuit. 

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So there's all of that to talk 
about. 

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There's Christina, who we're 
welcoming to the podcast, Cher 

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who were welcoming. 
We haven't had a Cher movie. 

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We haven't, so welcome to the 
podcast, Cher. 

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It's just like. 
How do you Christine Wig? 

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Wig. 
Did you just say wig? 

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No, that's not Kristen Wig. 
What's her name? 

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Kristen Bell Oh Christine Wig is
the good one. 

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I thought you were just talking 
about her, Kristen. 

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Bell Oh yeah, we'll get to the 
wigs. 

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I mean, that's one thing about 
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I know wig. 
I feel that already. 

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And is the films directed by 
Steve? 

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Anton. 
From PCD connection fame. 

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Yeah, yeah, there's. 
Cat Dolls. 

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Yeah. 
So let's get into the context of

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this movie. 
It is. 

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It is a wild ride. 
So this movie was basically 

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built around Christina Aguilera,
who wanted to finally do a 

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movie. 
She's 2930. 

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I think she was turning 30 when 
they were shooting and she had 

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recently appeared in The 
Pussycat Dolls live review. 

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I guess this yeah this is post 
them being a girl group but they

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must have still had some kind of
live show. 

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Still done those bits, yeah. 
Was this also she had she done 

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back to basics which? 
Was yeah, that's more like 2005.

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Which? 
Is kind of like, oh, I'm a 

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little, you know, Oh damn. 
Shucks. 

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It's very Bugsy Malone, wasn't 
it? 

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Yeah, she. 
Well, I'm doing it for the 

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American listeners, you know, 
so. 

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I go back to basic we got. 
We got 4048% of our listeners 

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here from America, so we better 
get talking in their language. 

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She do. 
You remember her song Shake your

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tail Feather with Nelly? 
I fucking loved that. 

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Fact for you, Britney did it 
originally and there's a demo on

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the Internet that is an AI. 
So, I mean, we've just said it 

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all, you know, you understand 
now the world we're in, we're in

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the the late 2000s, fifties 
revival period. 

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Robin Anton is at the top of her
game. 

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She has founded The Pussycat 
Dolls. 

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Dude, I'm just going to read you
some of the people who've been 

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in The Pussycat Dolls. 
I bet I can name some. 

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Yeah, I know. 
Gwen. 

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Yeah, Carmen Electra was one of 
the OG ones, wasn't she? 

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The first like famous person to 
do it. 

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Fergie. 
Fergie done it. 

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Fergie. 
I like this game, Oh, Cameron 

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Diaz. 
Not on my list. 

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Give a shit. 
Not on my list but she but but 

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Cameron. 
I feel like they did it in 

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Charlie's Angels. 
They did in Charles Angels in 

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maybe Full Throttle, I can't 
remember now. 

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Yeah. 
Who else? 

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Britney's done it, Pink's done 
it, Deed of Aunties, Jamie 

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Presley, Paris Hilton and Kim 
Kardashian. 

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It's really a who's who of who's
tried to be sexy in their life. 

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I mean, you would though, 
wouldn't you? 

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I mean, Oh my God, Like we'll 
get into it, but these are some 

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fucking in numbers. 
Yeah, so with that, now enter 

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the picture. 
Steve Anton. 

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He is Robin Anton's brother, gay
brother, gay brother. 

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You think he was an actor? 
He was hot. 

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He. 
Was hot. 

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Yeah, he was like, he was a 
beautiful twink. 

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OK. 
He dated what's his face the 

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David Geffen for a year. 
Oh of of record label. 

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Of record label OF was in a 
relationship with Cher for a 

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year and is the richest man in 
show business. 

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He's got like $9 billion. 
So David Geffen swung by foes. 

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Yeah, he was straight in the 70s
when he dated Cher. 

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Oh, yeah, yeah, Yeah. 
And then Steve Anton meets him 

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at a party in Hollywood. 
They get together for a year and

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this is like. 
Sorry, I'm just cringing. 

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As I said, oh, swung both ways. 
Oh greedy bisexuals. 

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I'm like, who the fuck am I? 
It feels reductive. 

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Sorry, listeners. 
Then Steve gets together with 

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Clint Culpepper who is the 
president of Screen Gems. 

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These two are in a relationship 
like a made-up company. 

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I know I've heard one. 
These two are in a relationship 

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for 20 years. 
Screen Gems is done like 

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Resident Evil, Easy A and 
basically Clint gets a call from

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Christina's agent saying 
Christina wants to do a movie. 

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And him and Steve had already 
talked about how the pussy got 

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to also make a good movie. 
And so they're like, quick, 

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write something really fast, 
We'll get it to Christina. 

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And so it's all kind of 
happening at the same time, just

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like everyone's in the right 
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Stevens got the PCD connection. 
He's got a boyfriend who has a 

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production company and and 
Christina's like, I want to do a

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movie. 
And it's just like all kind of 

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fell into place, but the movie 
was basically written for her. 

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Meanwhile, Nicole Shirt Singer 
is waiting in the wings, furious

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that she hasn't been given this 
as a vehicle. 

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Yeah, yeah. 
I mean, I bet that was true, 

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actually. 
But. 

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I watched it this weekend. 
I didn't know any of The 

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Pussycat Dolls thing. 
I was like, what in The Pussycat

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Dolls is going on in this movie?
And then you find all of this 

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out and you're like, oh. 
Yeah, because it is. 

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It is like a long form Pussycat 
Dolls music video, which fine, 

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I'm here for. 
Yeah, fine, no problems. 

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It had a budget of 55,000,000, 
which was the most expensive 

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movie Screen Gems had done at 
this point. 

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And it was a hit, modest hit at 
the box office, took 90 million.

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So it didn't quite make its 
budget back. 

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But then it took another 50 
million in an home video sales. 

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And it's had like quite an 
ongoing legacy. 

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One would say it's recently been
is it? 

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Did it do Broadway? 
No, I think just West End. 

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I'm not sure it's good to do 
Broadway, but. 

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Is it still on? 
No, I don't think so. 

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Maybe. 
Touring. 

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Tour, Yeah. 
Probably and Lester, but. 

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There's Todrick in it. 
Yeah, it's all very Todrick 

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Hall, isn't it? 
And but Chris Extina was one of 

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the executive producers, so she 
still claims it, whereas I 

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believe Cher. 
Cher has hate this about this 

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film. 
I also think she was pissed 

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because apparently her songs 
been dropped from the musical as

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well. 
Maybe it hasn't actually. 

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Maybe I've just made that up, 
But she hates it. 

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She hates this film, Yeah. 
I'll, I'll get to her her 

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review. 
It has it got a decidedly mixed 

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reviews from critics. 
I would say it has. 

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They weren't. 
Ready for its GP? 

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37% on Rotten Tomatoes and the 
website's critical consensus 

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reads Campi and cliched 
burlesque wastes it's talented 

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cast, including a better than 
expected Christina Aguilera on a

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movie that wavers uncertainly 
between bad and so bad it's 

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good, I think it's pretty fair 
I. 

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Mean, I feel like there may be 
odd jobs done. 

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Yeah. 
Because she is quite good in it,

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yeah. 
She's quite good. 

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It also got 2 Razzie noms, worst
actress and worst supporting 

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actress and people were upset at
the time. 

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They said that that wasn't 
deserved. 

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Cher is in worst. 
Yeah, OK. 

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There's lots of things I think I
would give this worst 

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screenplay, worst script, worst 
director. 

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Sure. 
I'm I'm not. 

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I don't think it deserves worst 
actress. 

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No, I I agree with you. 
Yeah, it's just that classic 

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thing of a of a singer dares put
her head above the parapet and 

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try something artistic. 
She tries, she throws herself 

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out there in an acting role and 
people are just ready to tear 

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her down, aren't they? 
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 

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There isn't a lot of goodwill in
the world for Christina. 

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Aguilera yeah. 
I mean, I have feelings about X 

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Tina in this movie that we'll 
get to, yeah. 

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OK, that's the context. 
Anything else we need to say? 

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I feel like I'm. 
I feel like I can feel the 

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stripy stockings on my legs. 
I feel like I'm in the world. 

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Yeah, like you're stepping it 
in, Yeah. 

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It's like a little sailor hand. 
Music. 

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I've had a little shake and it's
like I'm going to turn and I. 

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And that is the opening scene. 
We meet Alice Marilyn Rose. 

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But listen, we're not in the 
world of burlesque yet. 

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Oh no. 
We're in acoustic serious. 

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Iowa. 
Iowa. 

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It's very crossroads coded. 
It's. 

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Very crossroads coded. 
Ali. 

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Marilyn Rose. 
Alice, Marilyn Rose. 

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I mean, she was always going to 
end up a stripper with that 

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name. 
I actually did a countdown to be

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precise with time codes. 26 
seconds in we see her and I'm 

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going to say it, bam wig. 26 
seconds in and she's a 

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strawberry blonde. 
Banged. 

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Frizzy Dry No. 
I don't have any issues with 

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wigs but for this one I'm like 
why is XD wearing a wig? 

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It doesn't make any sense. 
Because it's like, it's, is it 

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really to like separate her from
Christina and like character of 

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Ali? 
Make her a brunette. 

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Yes. 
Make her a brunette that when 

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she gets to LA she gets to start
wearing wigs, you know, and that

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can be the storyline, and then 
she's blonde. 

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No. 
But because that's, you know, 

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that's a journey we can all 
relate to the serious brunette 

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and the the slutty blonde. 
Like give us. 

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That. 
This makes no sense. 

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She's just like, it is such a 
bad wig. 

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Do you wear wigs? 
One of the worst wigs because 

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it's trying so hard to to to 
convince you it's not a. 

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Wig. 
Oh, honey, we get gas lit later 

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on down the line. 
Well, no, spoiler alert, we do 

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have you worn wigs? 
When when it's like Stanley 

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touchy, he goes to her. 
Oh, I think you look good with a

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Bob. 
And she's like. 

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I can't cutting my hair. 
Instead, we're going to cut your

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hair wig. 
It's like, do not gaslight us 

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into thinking this is your real 
hair from the start, you whore. 

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When will you wear wigs? 
Especially when she's lit in 

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daylight. 
There's a few shot like there's 

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that montage of her walking down
the street in LA and she's doing

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like the choreo. 
That light, that wig, could not 

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handle being seen in natural 
light. 

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And they're also like, oh, she's
versatile. 

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I can tie her up a bit. 
It's a wig. 

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But do you know what the wig is 
wigging throughout this film? 

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So. 
It's a delight. 

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Welcome to the podcast Christina
Aguilera's Wig. 

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There we go. 
Where's her Worst Supporting 

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Actress nom at the Razzies? 
The one thing just before we 

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move, I mean we're never going 
to, but I was watching the 

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making of and the makeup artist 
is talking about how at the 

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beginning of the movie when you 
first meet her, she's so fresh 

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faced, innocent, no makeup. 
She is. 

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That's a funny 1. 
She is caked. 

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Yeah. 
Every. 

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You've never see Christina 
without like a full cut crease, 

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smoky eye, like a pan stick all 
over the face. 

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She is caked in makeup from the 
second you see her. 

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And that's what you expect from 
Christina Aguilera. 

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But don't try and tell me she's 
an innocent girl with no makeup,

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fresh faced, just turned, just 
turned up and. 

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And yeah, it's wild. 
This. 

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Is like, you know, I don't want 
to be 1 of someone to put the 

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Britney and Ekstina against each
other. 

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But like, at least that is what 
what Britney did do. 

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Well, the all American girl, 
like, oh, look at me without a 

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stitch of makeup on my eye. 
But like Xena is, she's ready. 

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She's already at the boudoir. 
She's ready to perform. 

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It would have it would have been
a good idea again, make her 

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brunette and let's have her bare
faced at the opening scene. 

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Or at least, you know, a light 
coverage and maybe a bit of 

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mascara. 
But like, let's see her be that 

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girl. 
It's an interesting thing 

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because I find the whole sort of
like meeting Ali for the first 

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time really interesting because 
it's interesting that, like, not

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only are the hair and makeup 
artist team gaslighting us into 

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believing that she's this like 
small time girl, but like from 

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the get go, Ali's not 
particularly like hometown, you 

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know, with big dreams, like 
something a bit different. 

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She's already a bit of a bitch, 
like from the get go. 

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Do you know what I mean? 
She's not she's not this like 

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girl that then gets, you know, 
seduced by the world of 

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burlesque and become something. 
She's a pretty nasty character. 

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And I have camp clues throughout
the film that that keep this in 

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mind. 
But yeah, from the get go, she's

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she's saying I'm taking what's 
mine. 

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She knows what she wants, 
doesn't she? 

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She's taking money from the 
register, she's giving it to her

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workmate and she's I think she's
already quite edgy. 

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Yeah, I actually quite quite 
like that about this. 

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You're like 2 minutes into the 
movie and you already know 

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everything you need to know 
about this girl. 

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She's down on her luck, she's 
got big dreams, she won't be 

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taken advantage of, and she 
sounds like a foghorn. 

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I get a feeling that I never, 
never, never, never had before. 

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No, she can belt it. 
She yeah, she's getting out of 

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this town. 
She closes up shop and she sings

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some Etta James. 
And it is. 

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It is a belter. 
It's a belter and I particularly

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love the intercut with the very,
very cheap ass PCD wannabes. 

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Yeah, who was it from? 
The burlesque show? 

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Just to kind of tease what's 
about to happen. 

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But they look cheap. 
So she moves to LA to chase her 

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dreams. 
It with the smallest suitcase in

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the world, might I add. 
Nobody has a suitcase that 

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small. 
No, she she gets asked at the 

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bus station one way return and 
she says you're kidding, right? 

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I liked that line. 
That was like maybe the best 

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written line in the whole movie.
Too bad it happens 2 minutes in.

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Yeah, we're, I mean, we're 
already in, we're in the world 

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of showgirls, aren't we? 
And do you think that might have

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been a reference for this? 
Movie. 

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What a delight. 
What a delight. 

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This is showgirl's younger 
sister who isn't quite ready to 

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be exposed to the sex, drugs and
lesbianism of showgirls. 

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And it's like, no, you can this,
this is like Barbie's little 

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sister. 
What was she called? 

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Oh, I don't know, You know what 
I mean? 

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But it's like what? 
That one's safe for you to play 

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with this. 
That's what this movie is. 

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But we're always happy to see, 
you know, a girl chasing. 

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Her dreams. 
And like Nomi's little sister, 

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Ali is a bit like, oh, I'm sick 
of my crazy bitch older sister. 

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Like she's so like, Ali's more. 
Yeah. 

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And. 
There's a montage of beautiful 

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people by Marilyn Monroe. 
Monroe, I mean. 

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Marilyn. 
Manson, which again slightly 

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problematic, flared to it. 
I also enjoy that she so she's 

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in her apartment, isn't she 
where she's staying? 

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And it's such a rough place, but
it has a postcard available 

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where she can go. 
I'm here. 

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Oh yeah. 
It's like we can't be that bad 

453
00:22:11,360 --> 00:22:15,040
if there's like a postcard and 
then but then straight away she 

454
00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:18,520
rips it up and can't clue again 
why Christina Aguilera in this 

455
00:22:18,520 --> 00:22:21,160
film is a bad person. 
She just litters out the window.

456
00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:24,040
She's just like, fuck LA and 
just throwing it out. 

457
00:22:24,040 --> 00:22:25,960
Yeah. 
So there's going to be a little 

458
00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:27,880
camp clues as to why she's the 
worst human. 

459
00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:29,080
Being great. 
So great. 

460
00:22:29,080 --> 00:22:30,160
I'm ready. 
I'm ready. 

461
00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:31,640
Yeah. 
She's. 

462
00:22:31,640 --> 00:22:34,600
She can't find a dancing job. 
No surprising really. 

463
00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:36,200
Have you seen how she does job 
hunting? 

464
00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:38,840
She just walks around and then 
just crosses things. 

465
00:22:38,840 --> 00:22:41,800
Like this girl wearing this 
really weird wig came in and 

466
00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:44,360
asked for a job. 
And then she's just parading 

467
00:22:44,360 --> 00:22:46,200
down the street. 
She doesn't look like she's 

468
00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:47,680
really hunting. 
For jobs, but. 

469
00:22:47,680 --> 00:22:50,200
She I love that trope in a film.
I love it so much. 

470
00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:53,280
I mean, he should have done it. 
There's a film, Dolly Parton 

471
00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:56,320
Straight Talk, which does it 
beautifully, the same scene, but

472
00:22:56,480 --> 00:23:00,200
she does it with like, red 
lipstick and red nail varnish 

473
00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:02,040
straight. 
It just crosses off things with 

474
00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:04,480
red nail varnish and it's just 
perfect. 

475
00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:07,400
Yeah. 
And again, in that film, you see

476
00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:09,560
Dolly go in for the different 
jobs and there's a bit where 

477
00:23:09,560 --> 00:23:11,400
she's dancing. 
And then at the end, this guy 

478
00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:13,000
goes, great, now show us your 
tits. 

479
00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:14,560
And it's all, it's all they 
should have. 

480
00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:16,080
They should have referenced that
more in this. 

481
00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:17,120
Right. 
But they were. 

482
00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:19,600
Yeah. 
This was not a tawdry movie. 

483
00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:23,680
This is a classy movie. 
This isn't strippers because Ali

484
00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:26,960
turns up at the burlesque club 
and she's like, is this a strip 

485
00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:28,200
club? 
And how do we know it's a 

486
00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:31,120
burlesque club? 
Because Alan Cummings is there. 

487
00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:33,840
Alan Cummings is there. 
He works the door. 

488
00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:38,000
As the MC for a yeah. 
And he says the the only poll 

489
00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:40,440
you'll find in here is the shock
girl. 

490
00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:42,640
Is that what he says? 
Something like that, yeah. 

491
00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:45,880
Yeah, Alan Cumming horribly 
wasted in this movie. 

492
00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:48,560
Yeah, I know. 
It's just like he's literally 

493
00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:50,360
just playing a cartoon version 
of himself. 

494
00:23:50,360 --> 00:23:53,200
Yeah, quickly, before she gets 
in, I just want to point out 

495
00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:56,680
when she's drawn into the. 
Yeah, the Burlesque Lounge, it's

496
00:23:56,680 --> 00:23:57,120
called. 
It would. 

497
00:23:57,400 --> 00:23:58,760
You would have thought it would 
have had a slightly more 

498
00:23:58,760 --> 00:24:01,440
interesting name. 
Yes, The Burlesque Lounge isn't 

499
00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:03,840
it. 
And we see the stripey tights. 

500
00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:07,560
She has stripey tights. 
She's pulling them up, not 

501
00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:09,480
fishnet. 
It's just like circusy stripey 

502
00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:11,120
tights. 
And it looks like Ali is 

503
00:24:11,120 --> 00:24:15,080
cruising her from afar because 
Ali also is a massive cruiser in

504
00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:16,720
this film. 
She is like trying to fuck 

505
00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:19,000
everyone. 
With you're right, you're right.

506
00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:23,720
I mean, this whole the number of
times in this movie that it 

507
00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:26,640
someone's performing and it cuts
to someone in the audience 

508
00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:28,520
watching. 
Wanting. 

509
00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:29,240
Yeah. 
Waiting. 

510
00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:32,360
Or like, or they're either like,
oh, I want that. 

511
00:24:32,360 --> 00:24:34,200
I could do that. 
Or they're like, oh, I'm 

512
00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:37,160
casually impressed. 
Or oh, I'm pissed that she's 

513
00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:39,800
doing so well. 
It's just like, how many 

514
00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:41,960
reaction shots can we have in a 
single movie? 

515
00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:47,160
So she's at the burlesque club 
and then we see Cher. 

516
00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:51,360
Being Cher. 
Chair welcome to burlesque. 

517
00:24:51,360 --> 00:24:55,240
She performs one of three songs 
in this movie with the word 

518
00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:59,120
burlesque in the title. 
A hard word I'd say to like fit 

519
00:24:59,120 --> 00:25:02,480
into a song. 
Oh well, not not not if you're 

520
00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:04,080
in this movie. 
Still have a lot of rhyming 

521
00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:07,360
words. 
It's it's quite clunky. 

522
00:25:07,360 --> 00:25:09,160
No one's really quite sure how 
to use it. 

523
00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:11,960
Like, are you welcoming? 
You're welcome to burlesque, but

524
00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:14,720
you can also show you how to 
burlesque. 

525
00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:17,560
So it's a verb and a noun and a 
place and a thing and a. 

526
00:25:18,360 --> 00:25:21,880
Yeah, it's a lifestyle. 
Do we want to say anything about

527
00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:24,480
Cher's opening performance? 
I'm sold straight away. 

528
00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:26,320
I mean, what's the not to love 
about? 

529
00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:31,200
Yeah, Cher. 
I mean, she looked great. 

530
00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:34,720
I love the choreography. 
I love. 

531
00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:37,520
I just love love. 
I'm just like, look at me, I'm a

532
00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:39,600
fucking mess. 
I used to share. 

533
00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:43,840
No, it's great. 
Yeah, it's, I hate to be this 

534
00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:47,960
faggy, but yeah, it's just like,
wow, I love looking at Cher. 

535
00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:51,520
It's as simple as that. 
It's just like. 

536
00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:56,160
One of one of the best lids are 
eyelids. 

537
00:25:57,320 --> 00:26:00,280
You just want to like look at 
her eyes with shimmers on them. 

538
00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:03,440
It's so nice. 
I what I will say is this is 

539
00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:06,920
where we get to a point where, 
you know, no matter what what 

540
00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:09,480
happens with the rest of the 
movie, you you actually are 

541
00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:13,000
looking at like really well 
choreographed type musical 

542
00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:15,120
numbers. 
They're actually shot this is 

543
00:26:15,120 --> 00:26:17,080
like 15 years old now, this film
isn't it? 

544
00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:18,920
And they're actually they're 
shot beautifully. 

545
00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:22,360
Like they the musical sequence 
is because they're referencing 

546
00:26:22,360 --> 00:26:26,200
something from like a past style
aren't really that dated. 

547
00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:28,960
They are kind of just 
beautifully shot numbers. 

548
00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:31,280
So again with that I'm like and 
tick. 

549
00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:35,160
Yeah, and Cher sounds great, and
I think she's very well cast in 

550
00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:37,840
this, like it's a, it's a great 
role for her, even though she 

551
00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:40,840
now hates the movie. 
Christina also meets Jack the 

552
00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:42,520
bartender. 
I will say so I've just looked 

553
00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:46,640
at my yeah, we're about to find 
out that like the the club's in 

554
00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:49,600
trouble. 
There's a few clues as to why 

555
00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:52,640
it's in trouble. 
Have you looked at the fucking 

556
00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:55,240
club? 
The amount of lights, the set, 

557
00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:59,320
there's like 20 dances. 
The number of staff working 

558
00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:01,280
backstage. 
The band, how many people? 

559
00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:03,240
There's like a live band that 
are introduced. 

560
00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:06,040
If you if like whenever you see 
Christina backstage, there's 

561
00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:08,640
always like 20 people running 
around with headsets that are 

562
00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:11,000
like sound and light people 
like. 

563
00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:14,480
Whoa, this is a small burlesque 
lounge. 

564
00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:17,200
And frankly, the running cost of
that, like of course you're 

565
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:20,320
going to be in trouble. 
It's giving like the biggest 

566
00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:24,840
West End show you've ever seen 
level levels of staff. 

567
00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:27,320
One of production, yeah. 
Spectacular, yeah. 

568
00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:29,360
But this is like 7 nights a 
week. 

569
00:27:29,360 --> 00:27:33,400
Yeah. 
Like we've we've worked in what 

570
00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:35,760
I would say would actually 
technically be the equivalent of

571
00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:37,160
this place. 
I'd say Bethel and Green Working

572
00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:40,520
Men's Club is a good example of 
like, yeah, Cabaret Lounge 

573
00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:44,240
rundown down on its luck. 
How many staff do you think we 

574
00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:48,280
ever had? 
Maybe one person on the door if 

575
00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:51,680
we're lucky, one person on tech,
and maybe someone helping with 

576
00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:54,520
stage. 
Yeah, maximum, maximum. 

577
00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:58,440
Yeah, Well, one thing though, I 
particularly enjoy how moved 

578
00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:02,320
Extina was by Cher's performance
at the end of it, because she is

579
00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:06,600
literally breathless. 
She's like panting or she's 

580
00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:08,560
having a stroke. 
I couldn't work it out, but I 

581
00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:10,120
was. 
Yeah, she was moved. 

582
00:28:10,120 --> 00:28:11,880
Yeah, I think. 
But as you just said, I think 

583
00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:14,200
that's what we would be like. 
Imagine if you still share do 

584
00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:14,720
that. 
You'd be. 

585
00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:16,840
Totally. 
I also think it's a, it's 

586
00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:19,640
actually a very accurate 
representation of what does 

587
00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:22,640
happen if you are a certain kind
of person and you go to a really

588
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:25,720
good cabaret show or really good
burlesque show or a really good 

589
00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:28,520
drag show and you see it for the
first time. 

590
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:31,000
You are like that, yeah. 
You're kind of hooked and 

591
00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:33,120
you're, you suddenly become that
annoying person who wants to go 

592
00:28:33,120 --> 00:28:35,400
backstage and tell everyone how 
amazing they are and ask how you

593
00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:36,480
can do it. 
And I want to do it. 

594
00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:38,880
Can I join a class? 
And and I mean, that is 

595
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:41,800
literally what happened to me. 
Yeah, like it. 

596
00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:44,720
I went to a alternative 
burlesque show in Montreal and I

597
00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:47,280
was like, oh, I want to do that.
And so then I did, and I started

598
00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:49,760
burlesque shows. 
And started kissing arse with 

599
00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:52,680
everyone backstage and yeah, 
doing all of that, yeah. 

600
00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:55,960
I mean, yeah, because obviously 
I fully understand. 

601
00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:58,040
We, we meet a new character now,
don't we? 

602
00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:00,320
We meet Nikki. 
Nikki. 

603
00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:05,000
And she instantly dismisses 
Exteno as like go get me a 

604
00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:06,600
martini. 
Like fuck off basically. 

605
00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:08,200
And it's like, I've been that 
person. 

606
00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:10,040
Like get out of the fucking 
dressing room. 

607
00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:12,320
You don't belong here. 
It's the worst thing ever. 

608
00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:14,320
Fuck off. 
We're literally in the middle of

609
00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:16,800
the show. 
There's no space and now you've 

610
00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:19,240
seen a mirror and you're not 
even performing and now you want

611
00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:21,640
to look at yourself. 
It's like, honestly it is the 

612
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:24,520
worst thing as any performer to 
have people all backstage in a 

613
00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:25,760
dressing room that don't belong 
there. 

614
00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:27,280
Oh, I just have a drink. 
I just like. 

615
00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:30,640
It's one, it's one thing after 
the show if like everyone's 

616
00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:34,080
relaxing, blah, blah, blah, but 
like, yeah, don't go backstage 

617
00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:37,280
during the numbers. 
But there is a camp clue here. 

618
00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:41,040
Just before this we've met. 
What's his name? 

619
00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:43,880
Who's the love interest guy? 
Jack. 

620
00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:44,680
Jack. 
Yeah. 

621
00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:48,360
Another camp clue as to why 
Christina Aguilera in this film 

622
00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:52,680
was a terrible person because of
her homophobia that she scatters

623
00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:54,040
throughout the film. 
Yes. 

624
00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:57,960
So she says something along the 
lines that he's gay. 

625
00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:00,280
What? 
You wear more eyeliner than me? 

626
00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:02,680
So just just what? 
Listen out. 

627
00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:06,400
She's also transphobic because 
backstage with Kristen Bell 

628
00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:10,880
Nikki, she says no one would 
ever know you're a dude, which 

629
00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:13,480
apparently was supposed to be a 
joke that she looks like a drag 

630
00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:14,240
queen. 
But. 

631
00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:16,760
Yeah, it reads as yeah. 
So, yeah. 

632
00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:20,400
So again, we in this movie, 
we're meant to be buying the 

633
00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:22,640
Ali's the New Girl. 
She's innocent. 

634
00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:27,680
No, she's coming in backstage. 
She's like ripping apart people 

635
00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:30,680
and being transphobic. 
So yeah, not exactly the most 

636
00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:35,360
likeable character so far, but. 
Christina also played Samantha 

637
00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:38,920
on a Sex and the City sketch on 
Saturday Night Live, and the gag

638
00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:43,080
at the end of that sketch was 
her saying I'm a dude. 

639
00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:46,320
That's not the first time she's 
made a transphobic joke. 

640
00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:48,400
Literally calling someone a 
woman a dude. 

641
00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:49,760
So there. 
Well. 

642
00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:51,680
There we go. 
That's that's lovely for her, 

643
00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:52,680
isn't it? 
Yeah, Oh. 

644
00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:55,000
Sorry, Kristen Bell. 
Kristen Bell. 

645
00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:56,480
You know who else went up for 
that role? 

646
00:30:56,600 --> 00:30:59,560
Who? 
Jessica Biel Fine and Lindsay 

647
00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:02,120
Lohan. 
Can you imagine? 

648
00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:04,960
Now I'm seeing it. 
Yeah, I'm seeing it. 

649
00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:07,360
Yeah. 
I mean, Kristen Bell was like, I

650
00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:09,640
saw an interview and she was 
like, oh, I feel so grateful 

651
00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:13,440
that they saw something in me, 
that they saw the the darkness 

652
00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:14,640
in me and gave me the chance to 
play. 

653
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:16,040
And I get that. 
As an actor, that's what you 

654
00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:18,120
meant to do. 
She's not enough for me. 

655
00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:20,560
Yeah, she's not enough. 
She doesn't sell. 

656
00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:23,520
I've seen her. 
She's obviously played a bitch 

657
00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:25,280
many times, like in the Good 
Place. 

658
00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:28,560
She's kind of doing a great 
version of that character 

659
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:30,400
doesn't work in this one for 
some reason. 

660
00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:34,200
She's she's not, she's not arch 
enough. 

661
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:36,120
Yeah, she's not giving 
headliner. 

662
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:39,000
She's like, there's something a 
bit too kind of normal about 

663
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:39,880
her. 
Yeah. 

664
00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:42,560
Whereas it's like, I feel like 
if they really were going to 

665
00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:45,600
nail this character, it should 
be that like we've, we've all 

666
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:49,400
seen them like the untouchable 
burlester like. 

667
00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:51,800
Sure, that would have. 
Been good for them where they 

668
00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:54,920
are like and they know how to 
turn it on, but they also know 

669
00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:57,400
how to fucking give you a look 
like you're a piece of fucking 

670
00:31:57,400 --> 00:32:00,080
shit without saying anything. 
You also just think about like 

671
00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:04,040
Emily Blunt in The Devil Wears 
Prada and how well she sells 

672
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:08,040
cunt. 
Yeah, and that's missing here. 

673
00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:09,840
And maybe it's because the 
comedy isn't there in this 

674
00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:13,200
movie, but. 
But it's also just that thing of

675
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:19,240
like, I do think Exene probably 
would have been better by the 

676
00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:21,560
bad girl. 
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 

677
00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:25,280
It's it is hard to park 
everything you know about 

678
00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:28,400
Christina and then place her as 
like innocent. 

679
00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:35,720
Yeah, at this time, she didn't 
have a particularly great 

680
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:39,080
reputation for being a kind yeah
diva. 

681
00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:41,560
Like, you know, you, you hear a 
lot of pop stars talking about 

682
00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:44,160
each other and there's people 
like Mary J Blige saying how 

683
00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:46,280
mean and nasty she is. 
Oh, really? 

684
00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:47,720
Yeah. 
There's a bunch of people round 

685
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:50,240
about this time that are. 
And I don't want to be like, oh,

686
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:51,600
XD is the worst person in the 
world. 

687
00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:55,640
But there's like, she had a bit 
of a reputation for not being 

688
00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:58,400
the nicest person who said she 
needs to be nice to people 

689
00:32:58,400 --> 00:32:59,400
anyway. 
But like, yeah. 

690
00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:03,280
So there's a waitress shortage 
in the bar, so Ally just picks 

691
00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:05,560
up a tray and begins serving. 
She's like, I'm just going to 

692
00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:08,400
make them give me a job. 
And so she gets a job, wedding 

693
00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:12,280
tables, and she we get a montage
of her watching the shows and 

694
00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:15,960
learning the ropes and she's 
like, she's watching, she's 

695
00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:18,000
watching the burlesque shows and
just fantasizing about being in 

696
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:19,480
the numbers. 
There's another clue why this 

697
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:21,400
place is going down. 
Did you see the way they were 

698
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:23,600
pouring the drinks, the free 
pouring? 

699
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:26,520
They are literally pouring and 
it's like pouring, overflowing 

700
00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:29,360
on the thing. 
I'm like, we need to do an audit

701
00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:32,640
on the bar here guys because you
are just pouring spirits on the 

702
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:33,720
floor. 
Honey. 

703
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:35,400
This is how you throw a party, 
amigo. 

704
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:37,280
Nose bitch. 
We learned the club is in 

705
00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:40,240
financial stress as you've said,
and then that we meet hot jerk 

706
00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:44,280
Marcus who wants to buy the club
and turn it into condos but Cher

707
00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:46,760
doesn't want to sell. 
I wonder what will happen there.

708
00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:48,560
It's like. 
Oh God. 

709
00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:51,320
Can we also mention Stanley 
Tucci as? 

710
00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:53,840
Well, yeah, yeah. 
Playing gay? 

711
00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:58,440
Yeah, same gay this guy in every
single gay film he's in. 

712
00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:01,800
Yeah, it's, is it OK? 
I mean, he does well. 

713
00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:05,320
He does do very well. 
He's, he's really good gay. 

714
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:09,199
It's very that errors idea of 
gay. 

715
00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:13,719
It's Queer Eye gay, isn't it? 
It's like very palatable, kind 

716
00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:16,600
of desexed. 
Well, and he does get a bit 

717
00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:19,280
later and. 
I think actually the way he that

718
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:22,520
plays out with him because he's 
kind of like Blase about it and 

719
00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:26,280
just like, yeah, I kind of don't
hate it, but he is playing the 

720
00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:27,920
same characters. 
The Devil Wears Prado. 

721
00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:31,639
It's exactly the same. 
In fact, they could be he could 

722
00:34:31,639 --> 00:34:36,520
be like he's he's in the 
magazine and but I particularly 

723
00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:40,600
enjoy something he says, which I
think is very you coded because 

724
00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:43,960
he's like people come to see the
girls dance and lip sync to the 

725
00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:47,880
great singers and not sing live.
And I just was like, wow, 

726
00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:50,880
that's, that's Crystal's opinion
on drag right there. 

727
00:34:51,600 --> 00:35:00,840
Look, if you Can't Sing 
incredibly well, lip sync lol 

728
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:03,920
stare. 
Yeah. 

729
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:06,800
I just think also there's quite 
a few people who who are great 

730
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:13,400
lip synchers and good dancers 
who don't need it anyway. 

731
00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:17,000
Christina's apartment get Ally. 
Christina's apartment gets 

732
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:20,440
broken into and she loses all 
her money, so she moves in with.

733
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:22,480
That happens when you tempt a 
toilet. 

734
00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:25,320
Yes, stupid. 
Haven't you seen Coyote Ugly? 

735
00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:28,560
That literal plot point happens.
Well, that's because they had 

736
00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:31,960
seconds to write the dialogue 
for this, so they're like, fuck,

737
00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:33,440
add something in like that, 
yeah. 

738
00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:37,480
Yeah, this movie, The plots of 
this movie and Coyote Ugly are 

739
00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:38,240
the same. 
Yeah. 

740
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:40,840
But yeah, she. 
She moves in with Jack 

741
00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:43,760
temporarily. 
And then Georgia, this is Julian

742
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:45,720
Hoff. 
She's one of the lead dancers, 

743
00:35:45,720 --> 00:35:48,720
becomes pregnant, so the 
auditions are held in search of 

744
00:35:48,720 --> 00:35:52,000
her replacement. 
And Ali storms on stage even 

745
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:54,320
though she wasn't invited to 
audition and she. 

746
00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:56,160
She. 
Kind of. 

747
00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:59,080
She performs, according to 
Wikipedia, a difficult dance 

748
00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:03,240
routine, Wagon Wheel, what to 
see, and she persuades Tess to 

749
00:36:03,240 --> 00:36:05,120
hire her. 
Now, this is, I think, the first

750
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:07,920
time we're really seeing 
Christina move. 

751
00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:09,760
It's not. 
It's not great. 

752
00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:13,960
It's fucking terrible. 
It's like, it's like now we're 

753
00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:17,920
watching an SNL sketch because 
it's like we've really hyped up 

754
00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:21,360
how much she wants it. 
We've hyped up all of the kind 

755
00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:24,640
of performers in the show. 
So you're kind of expecting it 

756
00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:26,920
to like really kill it and it is
just. 

757
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:29,000
She can't. 
Just like a little chipmunk. 

758
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:32,800
She can't really do the wagon 
wheel to see, turns out. 

759
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:36,240
She can't keep his eyes off of 
her. 

760
00:36:36,240 --> 00:36:39,840
Yeah, it's, it's tough. 
I mean, I actually watched like,

761
00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:42,040
what the Wagon, what the Watusi 
is. 

762
00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:45,600
It's like a 50s dance craze. 
It is kind of what she's doing. 

763
00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:48,360
So they were like doing 
something referencing. 

764
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:52,880
But yeah, the camera can't do 
long shots of Christina when 

765
00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:55,920
she's doing the choreo, I feel, 
because we can just see that she

766
00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:57,440
can't really do it. 
And then you contrast that with 

767
00:36:57,440 --> 00:37:00,080
like Elizabeth Berkley and 
Showgirls and you're like, OK. 

768
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:03,680
She's. 
Manic extra, whatever. 

769
00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:05,960
But like, it's fun to watch her 
move. 

770
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:08,240
Yeah. 
And you don't feel comfortable 

771
00:37:08,240 --> 00:37:11,280
watching Christina do it, do 
you, Tom? 

772
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:13,320
My husband is a dancer, and he 
was watching us, Like, 

773
00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:17,960
straighten your arms extend. 
He was so angry with her. 

774
00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:19,320
No. 
I mean what kind of turn was 

775
00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:21,000
that? 
Do a PK turn. 

776
00:37:21,720 --> 00:37:23,720
Well, she's not here to just be 
a dancer. 

777
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:25,400
She's here because she is the 
voice. 

778
00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:28,160
Well, we'll get to that, but 
that kind of sums up one of my 

779
00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:30,040
problems with this movie. 
But she gets hired. 

780
00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:32,280
She she gets a spot in the show 
and. 

781
00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:36,000
Then the ray of light by Madonna
comes in and we are like oh this

782
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:39,920
is actually has happened in 
Devil Wears Prada with Stanley 

783
00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:41,080
too. 
She's. 

784
00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:44,120
And him showing her the ropes 
while Ray of Light and while 

785
00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:46,480
she's learning. 
It was vogue in Devil Wears 

786
00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:48,600
Prada. 
OK, but but Ray of light is in 

787
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:51,960
Devil Wears Prada is that? 
So are you thinking of And 

788
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:54,240
suddenly I see. 
No, I'm pretty sure ray of 

789
00:37:54,240 --> 00:37:56,880
lights in there as well. 
It's like a montage thing. 

790
00:37:56,880 --> 00:37:59,760
I could be wrong but I'm that's 
why I was like I've been here 

791
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:02,720
before. 
Yeah, it's the exact exact same 

792
00:38:02,720 --> 00:38:04,440
thing. 
And yeah, you're just watching 

793
00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:07,520
Christina walking down the 
street with her earbuds in, 

794
00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:09,760
practicing the choreo as she 
walks down the street. 

795
00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:11,480
She's going to get this. 
She's committed. 

796
00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:14,280
She's going to learn it. 
She's still wearing that wig 

797
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:16,800
though. 
So it's busy, busy, busy. 

798
00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:18,640
Life of a show girl. 
Life of a show girl. 

799
00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:20,920
Life of a show girl. 
Ends of the day. 

800
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:24,040
Oh, oh, girls, do you want to go
and get some pizza? 

801
00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:26,080
Yeah, I love that. 
And then they like, just go down

802
00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:28,520
the stairs. 
Thing is, she's left alone. 

803
00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:31,280
She hasn't got a pizza. 
She can see them walking down 

804
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:31,840
the stairs. 
She. 

805
00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:34,520
Could just followed them. 
Yeah, it's not like they've run 

806
00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:35,920
off. 
No, but no. 

807
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:37,280
So there. 
Was an open invitation. 

808
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:38,560
Yeah. 
Yeah. 

809
00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:40,320
Poor Christina. 
Left all alone. 

810
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:41,880
Just go with the girls. 
You've got to. 

811
00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:44,840
We've already learned you're the
kind of girl who goes after it. 

812
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:47,080
Also, what is pizza code word 
for? 

813
00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:49,960
Because those girls are not 
eating pizza with their bodies. 

814
00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:51,120
Right. 
Cocaine, yeah. 

815
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:53,360
Yeah, let's go and have some 
cocaine. 

816
00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:56,400
Or in show girls it would be you
guys want to go smoke some 

817
00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:59,480
grass, which is nice. 
Yes. 

818
00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:01,960
Oh God, whenever you compare it 
to show girls and you're like oh

819
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:04,120
if this was show girls someone 
would have their tits out and 

820
00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:06,120
they'd be talking about getting 
fucked. 

821
00:39:06,720 --> 00:39:10,000
No boohoo. 
Christina So then she's in the 

822
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:13,000
mirror and. 
With a full face of makeup 

823
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:14,200
already. 
On yeah. 

824
00:39:14,720 --> 00:39:18,280
And Cher comes in and is like, 
let me help you do your makeup. 

825
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:20,880
And they have a bonding scene 
where Cher does her makeup. 

826
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:23,280
What I would say is that she 
does actually put eyeliner on 

827
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:24,800
her. 
Yes, she does put eyeliner on. 

828
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:31,720
I counted the seconds. 
It took Cher 10 seconds to paint

829
00:39:31,720 --> 00:39:34,560
on that red lip. 
And like, I'm not a makeup 

830
00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:38,320
person, but you look at how 
precise that red lip is. 

831
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:40,920
That is not a 10 second with a 
paintbrush. 

832
00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:43,960
Oh no bitch, no. 
What in the sorcery is going on?

833
00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:46,480
That is probably I think the 
campus thing in this film is 

834
00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:49,080
that Cher puts on lipstick that 
Immaculate in 10 seconds. 

835
00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:51,800
Yeah, well, Christina always 
looks like she's been shot in 

836
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:53,920
the face by that makeup gun from
The Simpsons. 

837
00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:55,920
Dad. 
Women won't like being shot in 

838
00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:59,000
the face. 
And so maybe that's what Cher 

839
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:01,800
did, like in the cut. 
She just, like, pulled the 

840
00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:03,360
trigger on the makeup gun. 
Yeah. 

841
00:40:05,240 --> 00:40:07,520
But we're getting really getting
to see their acting skills in 

842
00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:10,040
this scene. 
Do you think Cher made-up these 

843
00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:13,000
lines? 
The clip that first scene they 

844
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:16,840
did together was the scene where
Christina's like barging into 

845
00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:18,680
the dressing room and she's 
trying to get Cher to listen to 

846
00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:20,760
her and then she has to like, 
keep talking, blah, blah, blah. 

847
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:23,880
And she said Stanley Tucci. 
And the Cher just immediately 

848
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:26,040
started ad libbing. 
And she was totally thrown 

849
00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:28,120
because she had her lines all 
memorized and then nothing was 

850
00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:29,520
correct. 
And she was like, fuck, what do 

851
00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:30,880
I do? 
And so she just had to go with 

852
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:32,640
it. 
Yeah, because like Cher wasn't 

853
00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:35,240
Cher just like this dialogue is 
terrible. 

854
00:40:35,240 --> 00:40:37,080
Yeah, because. 
And yeah, because I've seen Cher

855
00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:39,200
talking about that as well. 
And she just said that her and 

856
00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:41,360
Stanley took. 
She was just like hamming it up,

857
00:40:41,720 --> 00:40:44,680
going full on. 
And she was like, Christina was 

858
00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:45,720
hot. 
She was. 

859
00:40:45,720 --> 00:40:49,080
And I'm like, Oh, yeah, So OK, 
fair play to Christina for 

860
00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:52,080
keeping up because you do kind 
of see that with some of Cher's 

861
00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:54,000
dialogue. 
There's a bit of a kind of a 

862
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:57,000
cooler edge to it. 
And it would make sense if she's

863
00:40:57,320 --> 00:40:59,240
just sort of doing it in her own
way. 

864
00:40:59,240 --> 00:41:01,280
Yeah. 
Because it doesn't seem as. 

865
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:04,520
I mean, the plot points are 
still Pony, but a lot of her 

866
00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:06,160
reactions to things are a bit 
more. 

867
00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:07,280
I know what you mean. 
I agree. 

868
00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:09,680
Yeah, But that I mean, that 
makeup scene. 

869
00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:12,640
This movie also has one of my 
favorite bad things, which is 

870
00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:16,320
just like people constantly 
rubbing dry clean makeup brushes

871
00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:19,080
across the their face as though 
they're doing something just 

872
00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:22,320
like big fluffy brushes, just 
bashing their cheeks with them. 

873
00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:24,480
You're like, what are you doing?
What are you? 

874
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:26,920
Why are you holding an eyelash 
spoolie? 

875
00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:28,120
What are you? 
What are you doing with that? 

876
00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:31,960
There's nothing on it constantly
like so many times in this 

877
00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:33,920
movie. 
Rant, rant, rant. 

878
00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:36,160
Makeup you. 
Ever just realized how much of A

879
00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:37,720
cliche of yourself you've 
become? 

880
00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:44,920
Yes, it feels reductive. 
OK I bet I literally couldn't 

881
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:47,280
speak when we were talking about
the first share number. 

882
00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:49,880
I was left deemed speechless by 
it. 

883
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:54,600
Ali replaces Nikki one night on 
stage after Nikki is too 

884
00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:58,760
intoxicated to perform. 
Well, that's, sorry, that's not 

885
00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:01,040
factually correct because let me
tell you as someone with 

886
00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:05,080
performance experience, you can 
never be too intoxicated to go 

887
00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:08,920
on the stage. 
So that is an that's not correct

888
00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:12,000
about the burlesque world. 
I should know. 

889
00:42:12,240 --> 00:42:15,200
I have. 
I have performed at places where

890
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:16,560
they don't let you drink. 
Really. 

891
00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:19,360
Yeah. 
Like theatre, it doesn't let 

892
00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:22,200
you, does it? 
Was like someone who ran the 

893
00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:25,080
club was like, I don't like 
people drinking backstage. 

894
00:42:25,240 --> 00:42:26,960
You get the best performances I 
think. 

895
00:42:27,240 --> 00:42:28,920
Sorry. 
From drunk people. 

896
00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:32,480
Sorry, I know it's a toxic thing
to say, but it does take the 

897
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:33,880
edge off. 
It does take the edge off I. 

898
00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:36,400
Like to rock out. 
I like to go nuts. 

899
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:41,040
I like to lose myself on stage, 
but once again, so Extin has 

900
00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:44,480
been offered the role. 
Oh, but I wouldn't want to step 

901
00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:46,760
on anyone's toes. 
Sure you wouldn't Ally. 

902
00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:50,080
You are like the most cutthroat 
bitch there is. 

903
00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:51,560
What is it? 
Gina Gershon says. 

904
00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:55,840
If you're standing there hoping 
for a spot, someone gets in your

905
00:42:55,840 --> 00:42:59,520
way, step on them. 
If you're the only one left 

906
00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:04,320
standing there, they hire you. 
That is the lesson that she that

907
00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:05,920
ally. 
Is where we realized that Ally 

908
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:08,400
isn't Nomi's little sister. 
She's actually. 

909
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:09,760
Crystals. 
Crystals. 

910
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:14,640
Yeah, that's actually she's. 
Their daughter, because they had

911
00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:16,880
a child together, which 
obviously does happen if you 

912
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:18,320
were to continue the story of 
show goals. 

913
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:22,120
Oh, my God. 
Ali is the daughter of Naomi and

914
00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:23,720
Crystal. 
I see it. 

915
00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:25,440
She's both of them. 
Yeah. 

916
00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:29,640
Oh my God. 
Do you think that she got she 

917
00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:32,680
was like poking holes in 
Julianne Hoff's boyfriend's 

918
00:43:32,680 --> 00:43:35,240
condom to get her pregnant so 
she could get her spot? 

919
00:43:37,240 --> 00:43:42,480
Yes, totally, totally. 
Throwing. 

920
00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:45,480
Beads rent his car. 
I mean, that would make a great 

921
00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:48,720
film. 
So Ali's on stage in Nicki's 

922
00:43:48,720 --> 00:43:53,160
spot, and Nicki's pissed, so she
tries to sabotage it by turning 

923
00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:56,680
off the music. 
And you know what Ali does? 

924
00:43:57,160 --> 00:44:04,840
She's got a secret weapon. 
Oh no, I won't share. 

925
00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:09,160
I mean, this is a camp clue, a 
moment where the music cuts out 

926
00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:13,080
and someone has to just rely on 
their natural talents to 

927
00:44:13,080 --> 00:44:14,880
succeed. 
Mean Girls. 

928
00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:19,040
Yeah, yes. 
I think it happens in A Star is 

929
00:44:19,040 --> 00:44:21,400
Born. 
It doesn't Lady Gaga do that? 

930
00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:22,160
I. 
Haven't seen that. 

931
00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:24,200
Film, right? 
Well, I think it happens. 

932
00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:25,680
I think it happens in Coyote 
Ugly. 

933
00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:28,560
There's that Hilary Duff clip. 
Oh, it happens in glitter with 

934
00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:31,680
Mariah Carey as well. 
Yes, the exact same thing. 

935
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:35,080
It's almost like they've gone. 
What happened in glitter again? 

936
00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:37,760
Like this movie, you know you're
in trouble if you're going to 

937
00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:40,520
glitter for a plot. 
Point, I mean, we'll cover 

938
00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:44,960
glitter at some point, yeah, but
yeah, camp clue, Ali impresses. 

939
00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:48,440
She just belts it out and 
everyone's like, Oh my God, the 

940
00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:51,280
girl can sing. 
Is like the most cliche looking 

941
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:53,000
prostitute I've ever seen in my 
life. 

942
00:44:53,240 --> 00:44:55,760
They've got full on prozzie with
these outfits. 

943
00:44:57,560 --> 00:44:59,680
I love it. 
But she's like a prostitute from

944
00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:02,560
like, like a top of Streets of 
Rage. 

945
00:45:02,720 --> 00:45:05,960
Yeah, Tom of Finland. 
Like, yeah, it's like. 

946
00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:08,840
It's leather zips. 
Yeah, it's, it's hot. 

947
00:45:09,160 --> 00:45:10,920
Yeah, she looks fucking great. 
But. 

948
00:45:11,240 --> 00:45:15,560
Everyone's so impressed with 
Ali's voice that Cher decides to

949
00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:18,920
build a whole new show around 
her because people are going to 

950
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:21,400
pay to see her. 
And one thing they must have is 

951
00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:24,800
time to rehearse and change 
musical direction for all of 

952
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:26,320
this. 
Yeah, let's go. 

953
00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:28,960
So then we get more shows, more 
montages, more wages. 

954
00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:32,480
A good girl, which we said. 
Sensational, utter, utter, 

955
00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:35,240
cinematic masterpiece. 
I would love to be part of that 

956
00:45:35,240 --> 00:45:36,600
performance. 
I just want to say it. 

957
00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:39,240
That's a great look. 
This is where she unveils the 

958
00:45:39,240 --> 00:45:41,120
Bob. 
Yeah, and she's like rolling 

959
00:45:41,120 --> 00:45:43,080
around. 
In the cinema, she really she 

960
00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:45,760
really sells the the she really 
sells this number. 

961
00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:48,920
Yeah, she doesn't sell them all,
as I said, like her dancing. 

962
00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:52,000
It doesn't bear up under like 
close scrutiny, but when it's 

963
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:55,880
like a really produced a fun 
looking number, I think she does

964
00:45:55,880 --> 00:45:57,480
a great. 
Job and within these medley we 

965
00:45:57,480 --> 00:46:01,440
get more tension between Nikki 
and Ali as well so we get Nikki 

966
00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:06,880
saying oh you're the farm girl 
from Iowa and then Ali returns 

967
00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:10,840
that with we know a cow when we 
see one that's a good line yeah 

968
00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:12,920
it just rolls off the tongue for
Ali though doesn't. 

969
00:46:13,160 --> 00:46:16,400
It Ali starts dating Marcus 
because Jack is has a fiance so 

970
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:19,760
he's not interested. 
So we find out about dead mum. 

971
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:22,000
That's phone Dead mum. 
That's just a picture though, 

972
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:24,040
isn't it? 
It's a Bob we learn about air 

973
00:46:24,040 --> 00:46:27,360
rights. 
Oh yes, we're learning a lot of 

974
00:46:27,360 --> 00:46:27,960
stuff. 
Very. 

975
00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:29,480
Quickly. 
Yeah, it's all happening, this 

976
00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:34,360
interspersed montage. 
Really just someone someone has 

977
00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:38,000
come up with air rights now. 
This is very ChatGPT. 

978
00:46:38,600 --> 00:46:41,120
Preform. 
It's like, right, I'm writing a 

979
00:46:41,120 --> 00:46:44,560
story I need to come up with 
like an interesting plot that's 

980
00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:46,560
going to hang off of everything 
else. 

981
00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:50,320
When Air Rights comes up. 
It's it's really. 

982
00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:54,240
Weird. 
It is such a bonkers like plot 

983
00:46:54,240 --> 00:46:56,920
device to hang a movie on, but I
love it. 

984
00:46:57,240 --> 00:46:58,360
I wouldn't have it any other 
way. 

985
00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:02,240
And then Cher sings her big 
ballad written by Diane Warren. 

986
00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:05,640
The song won a Golden Globe I. 
Must say, where's the dance 

987
00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:07,960
remix? 
Yeah, I want it to. 

988
00:47:08,080 --> 00:47:12,000
Must be. 
There must be, there must be. 

989
00:47:12,640 --> 00:47:15,600
Cher was apparently mad it 
didn't get an Oscars nom, and 

990
00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:18,040
Steve Anton wanted to cut that 
number. 

991
00:47:18,040 --> 00:47:21,320
He said he didn't think it fit 
with the movie, and it seemed in

992
00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:24,200
Congress it was 80s power ballad
and it just didn't feel right. 

993
00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:26,800
And apparently Cher said if you 
cut that number, I won't do any 

994
00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:28,800
press. 
And who won? 

995
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:31,600
It won a Golden Globe, the only,
not the only award this movie 

996
00:47:31,600 --> 00:47:33,880
won. 
I mean, she does need it in the 

997
00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:36,880
show because otherwise this is 
one of the problems I have with 

998
00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:39,080
the film. 
Like, she does sort of more and 

999
00:47:39,080 --> 00:47:41,840
more just sort of get pushed to 
the back of the movie, doesn't 

1000
00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:42,800
she? 
Yeah. 

1001
00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:45,440
And it's like you'll share. 
At the end of the day, that must

1002
00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:48,520
be really fucking difficult. 
It is like meant to be a vehicle

1003
00:47:48,520 --> 00:47:50,240
for you as much as it is meant 
to be a vehicle. 

1004
00:47:50,240 --> 00:47:54,840
For and also this movie requires
the levels of like a ballad 

1005
00:47:55,240 --> 00:47:59,960
because it doesn't really make 
sense to put it into the show, 

1006
00:48:00,560 --> 00:48:02,360
even though Christina does do a 
ballad as well. 

1007
00:48:02,360 --> 00:48:06,440
But like all of the show numbers
are quite samey, like, and after

1008
00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:09,200
a certain point you're like, OK,
how many times can I hear a horn

1009
00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:15,200
and like watch someone do a? 
Dinner does D Madonna in show me

1010
00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:18,400
they was express yourself yeah, 
but less because she's like 

1011
00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:26,520
girls it's like very like. 
ESPESS Burlesque. 

1012
00:48:28,600 --> 00:48:30,680
Can I quickly just jump back as 
well? 

1013
00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:32,520
What do you think of Marcus? 
Do you think he's hot? 

1014
00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:33,880
I kind of found him quite hot, 
yeah. 

1015
00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:34,720
Of course he's. 
Hot. 

1016
00:48:34,720 --> 00:48:35,800
He's like rich. 
Yeah. 

1017
00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:37,840
I just didn't know if it was 
just me being kooky or. 

1018
00:48:37,840 --> 00:48:43,240
No, that's that's a man who, 
like the aesthetic gods, rained 

1019
00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:46,520
their gifts on. 
The fucking shoes though that he

1020
00:48:46,520 --> 00:48:52,160
buys her. 
They are the most rancid fucking

1021
00:48:52,160 --> 00:48:54,800
Louboutins I have ever seen in 
my life. 

1022
00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:58,200
Is that someone has glue gunned 
some lace flowers? 

1023
00:48:58,200 --> 00:49:02,560
Lace flowers, pearls, some like 
some of those big Swarovski 

1024
00:49:02,560 --> 00:49:05,760
gems. 
They're they're so high, like 

1025
00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:09,400
the platform stack. 
They are disgusting. 

1026
00:49:09,400 --> 00:49:12,960
Yeah, she had her eyes on them. 
Yeah, at the party. 

1027
00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:15,520
And then lo and behold. 
They turn up OK. 

1028
00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:17,680
We're approaching the finale of 
the movie. 

1029
00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:21,080
We're about to enter the longest
24 hours in movie history. 

1030
00:49:21,080 --> 00:49:22,960
I don't know if you clocked 
this, but the rest of the movie 

1031
00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:25,240
now takes place in one day. 
Oh, does it? 

1032
00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:27,640
Yeah, I'm not. 
So they go to George's wedding. 

1033
00:49:27,800 --> 00:49:29,040
What about have you had the 
fight? 

1034
00:49:29,040 --> 00:49:30,920
Have we done the fight with 
Tessa? 

1035
00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:32,200
Oh, no, I was going to skip over
that. 

1036
00:49:32,200 --> 00:49:33,360
Yeah, let's talk. 
Let's cover the fight. 

1037
00:49:33,640 --> 00:49:36,480
Yeah, because. 
Again, this is like, Cher's 

1038
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:40,920
trying desperately to get some 
drama and actual scenes into 

1039
00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:43,200
this, isn't she? 
So this is where we find out 

1040
00:49:44,200 --> 00:49:46,800
that Kristen's been drinking 
again, She's going to quit the 

1041
00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:49,360
club, she's going to drive off. 
But we're getting the maternal 

1042
00:49:49,360 --> 00:49:51,640
side from Tess being like, don't
drive, don't drive. 

1043
00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:55,880
And then it's essentially like, 
I will not be upstaged with some

1044
00:49:55,880 --> 00:49:58,280
slut with mutant lungs. 
I'm getting out of here. 

1045
00:49:58,720 --> 00:49:59,920
Tests like don't drive, don't 
drive. 

1046
00:49:59,920 --> 00:50:02,400
And then it's like, oh, just so 
you know something, I slept with

1047
00:50:02,400 --> 00:50:03,880
Vincent the night of your 
wedding. 

1048
00:50:03,880 --> 00:50:06,080
Yeah. 
And then Cher crowbars the 

1049
00:50:06,080 --> 00:50:08,200
window. 
It's so good tire. 

1050
00:50:08,200 --> 00:50:11,920
I think it's a tire iron. 
Oh, OK, yeah, fabulous. 

1051
00:50:12,160 --> 00:50:14,600
Oh, look, you're not just 
technical with the makeup. 

1052
00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:19,600
Also car car equipment. 
Yeah, she just, Kristen's just 

1053
00:50:19,600 --> 00:50:22,640
driving past and like, without 
even missing a beat, Cher pops 

1054
00:50:22,640 --> 00:50:25,160
the hood of her car, pulls out 
the thing and smashes the window

1055
00:50:25,160 --> 00:50:28,920
like in one's fluid motion. 
She knows exactly where that 

1056
00:50:28,920 --> 00:50:31,200
tire iron is. 
She's like, I, I've got time. 

1057
00:50:33,040 --> 00:50:37,080
I have fantasized about doing 
that to cars with my bike so 

1058
00:50:37,080 --> 00:50:41,040
many times, like bashing a side 
mirror with my handlebars. 

1059
00:50:41,280 --> 00:50:43,840
Because when someone's a cunt to
you on a bike, you're like. 

1060
00:50:44,280 --> 00:50:46,480
I want to get them. 
That weapon, though, is a good 

1061
00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:49,440
one because it's just, it's you.
You know that like even if 

1062
00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:51,800
you're not that strong, that's 
going to do a decent bit of 

1063
00:50:51,800 --> 00:50:52,400
damage. 
Don't. 

1064
00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:55,960
You and she also has the line if
you want to pour tequila on your

1065
00:50:55,960 --> 00:50:57,360
Cheerios. 
It's a great line. 

1066
00:50:57,360 --> 00:50:58,800
Yeah. 
Oh. 

1067
00:50:59,080 --> 00:51:02,120
But again, really, Cher's 
fighting the good fight here 

1068
00:51:02,120 --> 00:51:05,160
because ultimately we don't care
about this and we care more 

1069
00:51:05,160 --> 00:51:07,800
about airplanes. 
Airplanes. 

1070
00:51:12,920 --> 00:51:14,680
Yeah. 
The other thing, just watching 

1071
00:51:14,680 --> 00:51:18,160
Cher, you're just like, if you 
told me that was Chad Michaels 

1072
00:51:18,160 --> 00:51:20,960
doing a Cher impression the 
entire movie, I would kind of 

1073
00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:23,920
believe it. 
Like she's gone into parody of 

1074
00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:26,760
Cher territory. 
And it's like, it's so much. 

1075
00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:29,080
It's so fun. 
She's like one beat away from 

1076
00:51:29,080 --> 00:51:31,240
going home. 
She does it, does she? 

1077
00:51:31,320 --> 00:51:33,160
Yeah. 
And like she you watch her like 

1078
00:51:33,160 --> 00:51:35,720
do her little lick clip. 
Oh yeah, she does the lick, 

1079
00:51:35,720 --> 00:51:37,800
Yeah. 
The way her voice sounds, yeah, 

1080
00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:41,520
it's like she's internalized the
parodies and it's it's 

1081
00:51:41,520 --> 00:51:43,640
wonderful. 
It seems like she's having fun 

1082
00:51:44,240 --> 00:51:47,520
even though she's probably in 
her head like this fucking pony 

1083
00:51:47,520 --> 00:51:48,680
movie. 
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 

1084
00:51:48,680 --> 00:51:51,600
Piece of shit, can't believe I 
agreed to do this. 

1085
00:51:51,680 --> 00:51:54,600
Because I kind of like every 
single scene of drama that she 

1086
00:51:54,600 --> 00:51:58,280
has, like, you know, someone 
calls her out on something and 

1087
00:51:58,280 --> 00:52:00,360
she's just kind of like, there's
a there's a scene and it feels 

1088
00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:03,320
very Sherry. 
And I kind of in my hopes, I 

1089
00:52:03,320 --> 00:52:04,880
hope that she sort of made-up 
this dialogue. 

1090
00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:08,920
There's a bit where it's like 
Cher calls out Christina for 

1091
00:52:08,920 --> 00:52:11,400
dating Marcus. 
And yeah. 

1092
00:52:11,720 --> 00:52:14,440
And then Cher's like, don't go 
with him. 

1093
00:52:14,440 --> 00:52:17,600
He's he's a bad guy. 
And then Christina's like, is 

1094
00:52:17,600 --> 00:52:20,640
that because this information is
more beneficial for me or for 

1095
00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:22,320
you? 
And then Cher's just kind of 

1096
00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:24,560
like Fairpoint. 
I can't answer you. 

1097
00:52:24,560 --> 00:52:26,040
And I feel like it's such a 
small bit. 

1098
00:52:26,040 --> 00:52:28,080
I feel like in most films it 
would just be like a more black 

1099
00:52:28,080 --> 00:52:30,600
and white answer, but it's just 
a bit more nuance. 

1100
00:52:30,600 --> 00:52:35,120
Was sharing this movie. 
Yeah, I would far more willing 

1101
00:52:35,120 --> 00:52:38,520
to give her the credit that like
whenever something was good, it 

1102
00:52:38,520 --> 00:52:41,520
was Cher's doing because I don't
think it was Steve Antons. 

1103
00:52:41,520 --> 00:52:44,800
No, no, no, no, no, no. 
OK, yeah, so now we're in the 

1104
00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:46,720
longest 24 hours of movie 
history. 

1105
00:52:46,920 --> 00:52:49,200
So we start at Georgia's 
wedding. 

1106
00:52:49,520 --> 00:52:51,200
Also why are we focusing on 
Georgia? 

1107
00:52:51,800 --> 00:52:54,240
Like because Ali keeps on 
referencing her in the movie 

1108
00:52:54,240 --> 00:52:55,760
like she's her friend or 
something. 

1109
00:52:55,760 --> 00:52:57,400
It doesn't matter. 
No one cares. 

1110
00:52:57,400 --> 00:53:00,520
But Jack breaks up with his 
fiance at the wedding and gets 

1111
00:53:00,520 --> 00:53:02,520
drunk and he and Ali sleep 
together. 

1112
00:53:02,520 --> 00:53:06,040
Then we have it cut with 
Christina doing a ballad at the 

1113
00:53:06,040 --> 00:53:08,120
club. 
Now, I don't know when that took

1114
00:53:08,120 --> 00:53:12,120
place, but this is not happening
contemporaneously with them 

1115
00:53:12,120 --> 00:53:14,520
fucking. 
And also, you do think, because 

1116
00:53:14,520 --> 00:53:17,120
they've been teasing all this 
time that Jack's a songwriter 

1117
00:53:17,320 --> 00:53:18,920
and you're like, oh, this is 
very crossroads. 

1118
00:53:18,920 --> 00:53:20,720
I'm not. 
And you think, oh, this is the 

1119
00:53:20,720 --> 00:53:21,680
song. 
This is the song. 

1120
00:53:21,680 --> 00:53:23,800
Because it's this big old Sia 
song, isn't it? 

1121
00:53:23,800 --> 00:53:30,240
It's like I am Brown to you. 
But no looking gorgeous in that 

1122
00:53:30,240 --> 00:53:33,920
green. 
Honey, the wig is wigging there.

1123
00:53:34,400 --> 00:53:36,280
Yeah, she's giving Vivian 
Westwood. 

1124
00:53:36,280 --> 00:53:38,840
Yeah, it's, it's fab. 
Yeah, one of my favorite looks 

1125
00:53:38,840 --> 00:53:41,960
in the movie. 
Then it's the next morning, his 

1126
00:53:41,960 --> 00:53:44,760
fiance comes home and catches 
them in bed. 

1127
00:53:45,120 --> 00:53:48,240
So Ali leaves and goes to 
Stanley Tucci's house and sees 

1128
00:53:48,240 --> 00:53:52,360
him in bed with the wedding DJ. 
She has no problem just going 

1129
00:53:52,440 --> 00:53:55,160
into his bedroom even though 
he's sleeping naked from a 

1130
00:53:55,160 --> 00:53:56,240
hookup. 
But anyway. 

1131
00:53:56,440 --> 00:53:58,440
Well, she also doesn't seem at 
this point particularly 

1132
00:53:58,440 --> 00:54:01,040
emotional with what's happened 
with Jack, considering that was 

1133
00:54:01,040 --> 00:54:03,040
meant to be a big like, 
upsetting things. 

1134
00:54:03,040 --> 00:54:05,200
And then she gets a call from 
Marcus and it's like, Oh well, 

1135
00:54:05,920 --> 00:54:08,120
Jack, I'll just go to Marcus. 
So still be. 

1136
00:54:08,120 --> 00:54:10,920
Fair is what I would do if I was
in that situation. 

1137
00:54:10,920 --> 00:54:14,680
I'd be like, screw that little 
fucking black tea boy. 

1138
00:54:16,880 --> 00:54:20,720
The eyeliner. 
In a real man who owns condos 

1139
00:54:22,680 --> 00:54:25,360
so. 
To be fair, in all that Marcus's

1140
00:54:25,360 --> 00:54:27,760
credit, he does give her a good 
time. 

1141
00:54:27,760 --> 00:54:31,720
Yeah, like other than like he 
wants to destroy the ESP, but 

1142
00:54:31,720 --> 00:54:36,080
also he actually says it. 
He's going to give share a load 

1143
00:54:36,080 --> 00:54:38,560
of money. 
He wants to pay her $1,000,000 

1144
00:54:38,680 --> 00:54:40,280
anyway. 
Capitalism. 

1145
00:54:40,280 --> 00:54:42,200
Yeah. 
So then she goes to Marcus's 

1146
00:54:42,200 --> 00:54:44,240
house. 
She realizes his plan to tear 

1147
00:54:44,240 --> 00:54:46,440
down the club. 
So then she goes to see Ted. 

1148
00:54:46,440 --> 00:54:47,560
So. 
She leaves very quickly. 

1149
00:54:47,560 --> 00:54:50,600
Yeah, well, she's at this point.
She's been at today, she's been 

1150
00:54:50,600 --> 00:54:53,080
at Jack's house, Stanley Tucci's
house, Marcus's house, she's 

1151
00:54:53,080 --> 00:54:55,080
gone to the club and now they're
going to go to the condo 

1152
00:54:55,080 --> 00:54:59,320
developer over the roads office.
This is all still the same day. 

1153
00:54:59,360 --> 00:55:02,040
They are really like people in 
the writers room are like, we 

1154
00:55:02,040 --> 00:55:04,600
need to end this, end this. 
Movie. 

1155
00:55:05,920 --> 00:55:08,120
So you're right, so much is 
happening now. 

1156
00:55:08,480 --> 00:55:12,440
So she goes over the road to see
the condo developer who has the 

1157
00:55:12,440 --> 00:55:17,080
building across the road from 
the club and they convince him 

1158
00:55:17,080 --> 00:55:18,680
to buy the air rights above the 
club. 

1159
00:55:18,680 --> 00:55:21,000
This man is Barbra Streisand's 
ex-husband. 

1160
00:55:21,440 --> 00:55:23,240
Oh. 
Sure. 

1161
00:55:23,800 --> 00:55:27,000
And also Josh Brolin's dad. 
It's James Brolin. 

1162
00:55:27,320 --> 00:55:30,360
Then she goes back to the club 
and Jack and Christina 

1163
00:55:30,360 --> 00:55:33,560
reconcile. 
He says he's left his fiance, 

1164
00:55:34,400 --> 00:55:36,640
and then that day ends. 
Is there anything we need to 

1165
00:55:36,640 --> 00:55:39,840
cover in any of that nonsense? 
I mean. 

1166
00:55:40,520 --> 00:55:42,400
You're right, There's a whole 
lot of lot of nonsense just 

1167
00:55:42,400 --> 00:55:44,480
happening there. 
Just going through my notes. 

1168
00:55:44,480 --> 00:55:47,760
I mean, no, not really. 
Stanley Tucci's one night stand.

1169
00:55:47,760 --> 00:55:49,160
Do we care? 
We kind of talked about it. 

1170
00:55:49,160 --> 00:55:51,960
Yeah, it kind of is possible. 
Yeah, it's fine. 

1171
00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:53,960
Yeah. 
I kind of to be fair, they could

1172
00:55:53,960 --> 00:55:57,200
have played that in a lot kind 
of more generic gay way. 

1173
00:55:57,200 --> 00:56:01,480
And I actually think that's kind
of how a lot of gay hookups hack

1174
00:56:01,520 --> 00:56:03,560
happen in the sense of like, 
they don't remember each other's

1175
00:56:03,560 --> 00:56:05,240
names. 
They're kind of a bit cool with 

1176
00:56:05,240 --> 00:56:05,800
each other. 
Yeah. 

1177
00:56:05,800 --> 00:56:09,200
It's not like. 
It it was a little, it was a 

1178
00:56:09,200 --> 00:56:12,800
little annoying, but it wasn't 
as bad as that could have gone. 

1179
00:56:13,000 --> 00:56:17,240
Wake up call, gays are annoying.
Yeah, fair. 

1180
00:56:17,480 --> 00:56:20,160
But I did, I did find it kind of
annoying that they're like, the 

1181
00:56:20,160 --> 00:56:22,480
implication is that Stanley 
Tuchi's character has been a gay

1182
00:56:22,480 --> 00:56:25,520
slut and like, they need to 
settle him down before the end 

1183
00:56:25,520 --> 00:56:28,880
of the movie. 
You know, would have been nicer 

1184
00:56:28,880 --> 00:56:31,320
if he'd been like, I don't know,
does he need to settle down? 

1185
00:56:31,600 --> 00:56:33,400
Can he just have the like, 
slutty one night stand and 

1186
00:56:33,400 --> 00:56:35,520
they'd, like fuck and then they 
never see each other again? 

1187
00:56:35,680 --> 00:56:36,640
Whatever, Who cares? 
But. 

1188
00:56:36,640 --> 00:56:38,360
Then you'd be complaining if 
that was, yeah. 

1189
00:56:38,600 --> 00:56:40,720
Exactly. 
Because you're fickle. 

1190
00:56:40,760 --> 00:56:42,840
I am. 
But yeah, there's a whole lot of

1191
00:56:43,200 --> 00:56:44,960
bullshit happening now in the 
movie. 

1192
00:56:44,960 --> 00:56:48,360
Isn't that they're just like 
going at it hammer and Tong. 

1193
00:56:48,360 --> 00:56:53,600
I mean, I don't believe that Ali
is qualified to explain airspace

1194
00:56:53,640 --> 00:56:59,480
from her air rights, s s air 
rights from her seconds long 

1195
00:56:59,480 --> 00:57:01,360
conversation with Marcus about 
it. 

1196
00:57:01,600 --> 00:57:04,440
And then I then also don't 
believe, having found out how 

1197
00:57:04,440 --> 00:57:09,440
bad a businesswoman Tess is, 
that she is then also capable of

1198
00:57:09,720 --> 00:57:13,200
going to someone and striking a 
huge, huge. 

1199
00:57:13,200 --> 00:57:18,480
Deal within like minutes because
they've got this point, 24 hours

1200
00:57:18,480 --> 00:57:21,200
to save the club. 
Also, if I was Tess in this 

1201
00:57:21,200 --> 00:57:23,800
situation, I'd be like, shut the
fuck up X Dina, because it's the

1202
00:57:23,800 --> 00:57:26,480
way she chips in and, you know, 
she's doing her comedy bit now, 

1203
00:57:26,480 --> 00:57:28,080
isn't she? 
You should really listen. 

1204
00:57:28,080 --> 00:57:31,160
Yeah, if I were you. 
Listen, it's just I'll shut up. 

1205
00:57:32,120 --> 00:57:34,920
We know you've done comedy 
because we saw you prat fall 

1206
00:57:34,920 --> 00:57:38,240
earlier in the movie. 
X Tina, you ticked your. 

1207
00:57:38,320 --> 00:57:40,960
When did she prat fall? 
She falls over when she's, you 

1208
00:57:40,960 --> 00:57:43,920
know, she goes to Jack's 
apartment for the first time and

1209
00:57:43,920 --> 00:57:48,120
she's like, oh, oh, oh, kooky. 
She falls on the floor because, 

1210
00:57:48,120 --> 00:57:51,960
you know, she's a kooky girl. 
So we've already got that You 

1211
00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:54,840
you're ticking all the boxes. 
And then we've got the final 

1212
00:57:54,840 --> 00:57:56,840
scene. 
So Jack has been working on a 

1213
00:57:56,840 --> 00:57:58,960
song the whole movie that he's 
not ready to show. 

1214
00:58:01,400 --> 00:58:07,120
And this is this is proof all 
along, Ali was right. 

1215
00:58:07,440 --> 00:58:11,520
Jack is gay. 
And there's a fact that he's gay

1216
00:58:11,640 --> 00:58:15,080
because the song that he's, you 
know, this masterpiece that he's

1217
00:58:15,080 --> 00:58:17,600
been working towards is drum 
roll. 

1218
00:58:18,080 --> 00:58:23,040
Show me how you burlesque 
underneath the city lights. 

1219
00:58:23,720 --> 00:58:27,760
Yeah, which includes a gorgeous 
lyrics such as Get Your Ass Up. 

1220
00:58:27,760 --> 00:58:32,040
Show me how you burlesque. 
Gay gay. 

1221
00:58:33,840 --> 00:58:37,240
God, I'm so glad he found the 
confidence to release his music.

1222
00:58:38,000 --> 00:58:41,000
I'm also just like with the 
stage production of this last 

1223
00:58:41,000 --> 00:58:44,800
number, I'm like, oh honey, 
you're going under very soon. 

1224
00:58:44,800 --> 00:58:47,520
You've got a couple more months.
If you carry test, Test carries 

1225
00:58:47,520 --> 00:58:49,680
on spending like this those 
letters alone. 

1226
00:58:50,760 --> 00:58:53,360
I do love the era where 
everything had to be spelled out

1227
00:58:53,360 --> 00:58:56,720
in giant letters though. 
Like you didn't, you didn't know

1228
00:58:56,720 --> 00:58:59,240
you were watching a pop song 
unless there was a diva standing

1229
00:58:59,240 --> 00:59:03,280
in front of her own name and in 
giant letters, Mimi, you know, 

1230
00:59:03,280 --> 00:59:05,520
Fergie, everyone did it. 
It was so great. 

1231
00:59:06,600 --> 00:59:08,600
And that's that is the film 
Burlesque? 

1232
00:59:09,320 --> 00:59:12,880
Yeah, I mean it, it does sort of
just crumble down to the ending 

1233
00:59:12,880 --> 00:59:16,080
at the end, but. 
I don't think it ever had like 

1234
00:59:16,280 --> 00:59:19,440
legs. 
It never had the potential of 

1235
00:59:19,440 --> 00:59:21,920
being a good movie, so it's not 
like the ending is then 

1236
00:59:21,920 --> 00:59:25,080
disappointing. 
I think the first question I 

1237
00:59:25,080 --> 00:59:29,720
want to ask is does this movie 
feature burlesque? 

1238
00:59:30,280 --> 00:59:32,920
Oh. 
Would you say this is movie is a

1239
00:59:32,920 --> 00:59:37,080
good representation of the art 
of burlesque Well. 

1240
00:59:37,160 --> 00:59:39,800
I think there was some really 
good numbers that actually, 

1241
00:59:39,800 --> 00:59:42,480
because the number I wrote, 
which we haven't spoken about 

1242
00:59:42,480 --> 00:59:47,960
yet, is a guy who takes his 
time, which has that really sort

1243
00:59:47,960 --> 00:59:50,160
of classic arrangement. 
And it does give me like 

1244
00:59:50,160 --> 00:59:54,000
expensive D to Von Tease and 
Modesty Blaze vibes. 

1245
00:59:54,760 --> 00:59:57,000
And if I feel like that, because
do you remember it's where she's

1246
00:59:57,000 --> 00:59:58,320
like doing. 
Is she in the pearls? 

1247
00:59:58,560 --> 00:59:59,680
Oh no. 
Oh yeah. 

1248
00:59:59,680 --> 01:00:01,640
And then it ends with her 
standing naked. 

1249
01:00:01,640 --> 01:00:03,480
And. 
She's got the feathers. 

1250
01:00:03,480 --> 01:00:05,640
Yeah, Yeah. 
I think this movie got quite a 

1251
01:00:05,640 --> 01:00:08,680
hard time when it came out for 
not being representative of 

1252
01:00:08,680 --> 01:00:10,560
burlesque. 
I think a lot of burlesque 

1253
01:00:10,560 --> 01:00:13,120
people were annoyed by this 
movie because they were like, 

1254
01:00:13,320 --> 01:00:17,240
this isn't how it is, but 
actually like it does take care 

1255
01:00:17,240 --> 01:00:22,880
to I think nod at the art. 
But unfortunately the plot ends 

1256
01:00:22,880 --> 01:00:25,880
up being that it's Christina as 
a singer. 

1257
01:00:26,280 --> 01:00:29,040
And I think those two things 
don't really meld very well, but

1258
01:00:29,080 --> 01:00:32,640
the movie does try and like, 
show little bits around. 

1259
01:00:32,640 --> 01:00:35,280
Well, listen, she does her 
research, Yeah, because you 

1260
01:00:35,280 --> 01:00:38,960
know, when Ali arrives in Los 
Los Angeles and she's got no 

1261
01:00:38,960 --> 01:00:43,280
money or she's she suddenly goes
and buys lots of very expensive.

1262
01:00:43,280 --> 01:00:47,640
Looking to the library, the 
burlesque library of LA. 

1263
01:00:48,360 --> 01:00:50,600
Yeah, so she she did do her 
research there. 

1264
01:00:50,800 --> 01:00:55,240
There's also you see snippets of
a number with Alan Cumming where

1265
01:00:55,240 --> 01:00:58,080
he's got it's kind of like a 2 
ladies from cabaret, kind of 

1266
01:00:58,080 --> 01:01:01,480
like it's just two ladies from 
they're just doing 2 ladies from

1267
01:01:01,480 --> 01:01:03,840
cabaret. 
But that's got like cheeky like 

1268
01:01:04,040 --> 01:01:07,680
banana props and like people 
doing contortion. 

1269
01:01:08,000 --> 01:01:10,360
That feels like it's in a 
burlesque show for sure. 

1270
01:01:10,520 --> 01:01:13,280
There just isn't really enough 
striptease and like there are a 

1271
01:01:13,280 --> 01:01:18,200
lot of numbers in this show that
do not feature any tease. 

1272
01:01:18,320 --> 01:01:20,960
Well, yeah. 
I would argue though, we are in 

1273
01:01:20,960 --> 01:01:25,080
a world of neo burlesque, 
pushing the art form forward. 

1274
01:01:25,080 --> 01:01:28,200
But then I think neo burlesque 
and I think like really 

1275
01:01:28,200 --> 01:01:33,840
irreverent, surprising gross, 
like body positivity. 

1276
01:01:34,080 --> 01:01:40,960
I think I think, I think comedy.
I think really comedy like like 

1277
01:01:41,760 --> 01:01:44,360
modern references. 
But this is what? 

1278
01:01:44,360 --> 01:01:47,240
This is what they were doing in 
LA though, right? 

1279
01:01:47,240 --> 01:01:49,160
I don't see these shows. 
Pussycat Dolls were. 

1280
01:01:49,160 --> 01:01:51,160
Doing, but this is what they 
were doing with their burlesque 

1281
01:01:51,160 --> 01:01:53,000
show before. 
They I'm not going to, I'm not 

1282
01:01:53,000 --> 01:01:55,600
going to like gatekeep what is 
or isn't burlesque. 

1283
01:01:55,840 --> 01:02:00,920
It is just kind of weird to call
a movie burlesque and for there 

1284
01:02:00,920 --> 01:02:04,800
to only be 1 striptease number 
and it's kind of buried in the 

1285
01:02:04,800 --> 01:02:06,480
movie. 
Do you know what I mean? 

1286
01:02:06,880 --> 01:02:10,000
And it's like more leaning on 
the burlesque aesthetic, which 

1287
01:02:10,000 --> 01:02:13,800
is like, what if sailor hats and
stripy fishnets. 

1288
01:02:14,040 --> 01:02:17,840
And because I guess it's like 
APG movie, they can't show boobs

1289
01:02:17,840 --> 01:02:19,600
and tits. 
And I don't know, there's just 

1290
01:02:19,600 --> 01:02:24,440
like something that's like at 
odds with like the kind of movie

1291
01:02:24,440 --> 01:02:28,200
this is and the theme the movie 
is about. 

1292
01:02:28,360 --> 01:02:31,760
Yeah, there. 
Wow, that's very straight. 

1293
01:02:36,000 --> 01:02:38,240
But what about what does it get 
right and wrong about nightlife 

1294
01:02:38,240 --> 01:02:41,040
culture, like nightclub culture?
Because I think it's kind of a 

1295
01:02:41,040 --> 01:02:44,000
good representation of that. 
I think the whole thing is it's 

1296
01:02:44,000 --> 01:02:46,000
just like, and because they've 
done it, because they've had to 

1297
01:02:46,000 --> 01:02:48,960
make a commercial film, it's 
like there's no way any 

1298
01:02:48,960 --> 01:02:52,640
production has this much amazing
costume or lights or like the 

1299
01:02:52,640 --> 01:02:56,680
whole thing is just there's no 
way anybody could pull that kind

1300
01:02:56,680 --> 01:02:59,120
of show together. 
But I don't know. 

1301
01:02:59,120 --> 01:03:02,320
I kind of believe it in the 
sense of like, I believe that 

1302
01:03:02,320 --> 01:03:08,840
Cher has been through all forms 
of showbiz from like small, tiny

1303
01:03:08,840 --> 01:03:12,280
shows to huge, big television, 
big tours and stuff. 

1304
01:03:12,600 --> 01:03:15,680
So I kind of believe that 
authenticity with it like the 

1305
01:03:15,680 --> 01:03:19,080
kind of like when she's 
performing, I'm like buying it. 

1306
01:03:19,080 --> 01:03:21,400
Yeah, yeah. 
And I think like the kind of 

1307
01:03:21,400 --> 01:03:24,720
backstage energy kind of works. 
Like again, that you wouldn't 

1308
01:03:24,720 --> 01:03:27,480
have the giant costume rails, 
you wouldn't have someone just 

1309
01:03:27,480 --> 01:03:29,360
looking after costume on a show 
like this. 

1310
01:03:29,360 --> 01:03:30,840
You wouldn't have a Stanley 
Tucci. 

1311
01:03:30,840 --> 01:03:34,400
But like the the idea of like a 
jam packed rail and then like 

1312
01:03:34,400 --> 01:03:36,720
everyone's scurrying around and 
like trying to find their 

1313
01:03:36,720 --> 01:03:39,440
costume and like they're being a
bit of bicker backstage and like

1314
01:03:39,600 --> 01:03:42,720
some cattiness, but like comedy,
like, I don't know, the energy 

1315
01:03:42,720 --> 01:03:45,080
backstage kind of felt right. 
Yeah. 

1316
01:03:45,080 --> 01:03:48,080
And also there is the like sort 
of backstabbing nature of it. 

1317
01:03:48,080 --> 01:03:51,000
Like it is it is kind of like 
people are coming for each 

1318
01:03:51,000 --> 01:03:53,160
other's spots and like, I think 
that's quite. 

1319
01:03:53,440 --> 01:03:54,960
Yeah. 
And also as well the other thing

1320
01:03:54,960 --> 01:03:59,120
I will argue is it can feel like
it's an all-encompassing world. 

1321
01:03:59,160 --> 01:04:00,920
That's important. 
Yes. 

1322
01:04:01,080 --> 01:04:04,040
And like nothing outside of that
world matters. 

1323
01:04:04,040 --> 01:04:07,720
And I think a lot of performers 
get in that space very easily. 

1324
01:04:07,720 --> 01:04:09,720
Yeah. 
I mean the stuff I guess that 

1325
01:04:09,720 --> 01:04:19,560
doesn't reflect nightlife is the
script, the the plot, the actual

1326
01:04:19,960 --> 01:04:21,680
basis of the film. 
Yeah. 

1327
01:04:21,680 --> 01:04:25,800
And so that's just like a tried 
and tested, like it's such a 

1328
01:04:25,800 --> 01:04:30,000
well trodden path of the yeah, 
the girl with the big city 

1329
01:04:30,000 --> 01:04:31,800
dreams, the small town girl with
the big city dreams. 

1330
01:04:31,800 --> 01:04:34,960
And it's like, OK, but that 
doesn't happen. 

1331
01:04:35,200 --> 01:04:36,400
I don't know. 
It almost would have been more 

1332
01:04:36,400 --> 01:04:39,600
interesting to watch, like a 
bunch of LA sluts try and put a 

1333
01:04:39,600 --> 01:04:42,320
burlesque show on and like, do 
The Pussycat Dolls and like, try

1334
01:04:42,320 --> 01:04:44,320
and convince people that this 
was going to be a thing. 

1335
01:04:44,760 --> 01:04:47,640
And like, watch them kind of 
attract the audience like that 

1336
01:04:47,840 --> 01:04:53,320
kind of a magic mic style thing 
because we've seen this plot. 

1337
01:04:53,600 --> 01:04:56,640
So. 
Many times, like by the time 

1338
01:04:56,640 --> 01:04:59,120
you've met every character, you 
know exactly what's going to 

1339
01:04:59,120 --> 01:05:00,440
happen. 
Every character. 

1340
01:05:00,800 --> 01:05:03,160
Also, if so, like, you know, 
why? 

1341
01:05:03,160 --> 01:05:05,920
For fuck's sake, is Nikki just, 
you know, you know, happy to be 

1342
01:05:05,920 --> 01:05:08,840
welcomed back into the the fold 
now? 

1343
01:05:08,840 --> 01:05:10,520
She's not headliner. 
She's like, second. 

1344
01:05:10,640 --> 01:05:13,960
That's not that wouldn't you, 
you would not be a headliner and

1345
01:05:13,960 --> 01:05:16,920
just be like, oh, OK, I'll just 
be a little bitch to Ally now. 

1346
01:05:17,120 --> 01:05:19,520
Stepped in with no experience. 
So that's that's like, yeah, 

1347
01:05:19,640 --> 01:05:20,960
yeah. 
It's just like from the get go, 

1348
01:05:20,960 --> 01:05:23,200
you know what you're watching. 
It's so predictable. 

1349
01:05:23,200 --> 01:05:26,440
It's kind of funny to see where 
it lands, but there's not any. 

1350
01:05:27,280 --> 01:05:29,840
I mean, the stakes are high, but
they're also not starting high. 

1351
01:05:29,840 --> 01:05:32,960
At all. 
But it that said, like for what 

1352
01:05:32,960 --> 01:05:36,000
it is, it's fun. 
Like it's really I. 

1353
01:05:36,240 --> 01:05:39,400
Also think although her 
character is like all over the 

1354
01:05:39,400 --> 01:05:43,040
shop, I don't think Christina's 
bad as the leading part. 

1355
01:05:43,160 --> 01:05:46,400
And I'm really surprised that 
she hasn't at least tried to do 

1356
01:05:47,000 --> 01:05:49,000
one other movie. 
I mean, it kind of makes sense 

1357
01:05:49,000 --> 01:05:51,600
that Britney didn't because it 
just feels like Britney did 

1358
01:05:51,600 --> 01:05:55,000
other stuff and then, you know, 
showbiz kind of took her in the 

1359
01:05:55,000 --> 01:05:56,960
wrong path. 
And like, it kind of makes sense

1360
01:05:56,960 --> 01:05:58,880
that Britney hasn't stepped back
into it. 

1361
01:05:59,400 --> 01:06:02,280
But considering that Christina 
doesn't really do music the way 

1362
01:06:02,280 --> 01:06:06,480
she used to now, I'm really 
surprised that she didn't just 

1363
01:06:06,480 --> 01:06:08,080
try like a thriller or 
something. 

1364
01:06:08,080 --> 01:06:11,160
A thriller or like I would have 
loved to see her like actually 

1365
01:06:11,160 --> 01:06:15,160
do you know a no makeup look 
like. 

1366
01:06:16,160 --> 01:06:18,480
Like, like, but we know that's 
like the Oscar winning moment. 

1367
01:06:18,480 --> 01:06:19,160
Yeah. 
Exactly. 

1368
01:06:19,240 --> 01:06:22,440
Do a Mariah Precious. 
Like, I think she actually 

1369
01:06:22,440 --> 01:06:24,720
probably could kind of do it. 
Yeah. 

1370
01:06:25,280 --> 01:06:27,080
Because I, I agree with you, 
she's not bad. 

1371
01:06:27,080 --> 01:06:29,240
Like there are a few times in 
this movie where I'm like, oh, I

1372
01:06:29,240 --> 01:06:32,360
can really see you acting. 
But for the most part, because I

1373
01:06:32,360 --> 01:06:35,160
think she does a very good job 
and I had my expectations were 

1374
01:06:35,560 --> 01:06:37,640
low. 
Yeah, of course, but also she 

1375
01:06:37,640 --> 01:06:40,760
kind of holds her own with share
as well, understanding who are 

1376
01:06:40,760 --> 01:06:42,880
both like really accomplished 
comedy actors. 

1377
01:06:42,880 --> 01:06:45,360
I mean, we're not. 
This is not a serious drama at 

1378
01:06:45,360 --> 01:06:47,400
all. 
But they can hold their own. 

1379
01:06:47,400 --> 01:06:49,600
Yeah, I just think she hot does 
a good job of holding all right,

1380
01:06:49,800 --> 01:06:53,000
but ultimately it's just a 
steaming pile of trash. 

1381
01:06:53,040 --> 01:06:59,480
Yeah, it's just it's a movie 
made by idiots for idiots, I 

1382
01:06:59,480 --> 01:07:01,800
feel. 
Well, also as well, I read that 

1383
01:07:02,040 --> 01:07:06,320
Steve Anton said to Cher, I 
don't care what you say in this 

1384
01:07:06,320 --> 01:07:10,080
movie, I just want to get on and
shoot the next dance sequence, 

1385
01:07:12,240 --> 01:07:15,080
which I think. 
Which probably LED Cher to say 

1386
01:07:15,080 --> 01:07:18,320
this in burlesque, which was 
horrible. 

1387
01:07:18,320 --> 01:07:20,560
I had no love interest. 
I was running this troupe and 

1388
01:07:20,560 --> 01:07:22,360
that's who I was. 
It could have been a much better

1389
01:07:22,360 --> 01:07:23,560
film. 
It was always sad. 

1390
01:07:23,560 --> 01:07:25,480
I was always sad that it was not
a good film. 

1391
01:07:25,880 --> 01:07:28,680
The direct, terrible director, 
really terrible director and 

1392
01:07:28,680 --> 01:07:30,920
really terrible script. 
He wrote the script also. 

1393
01:07:31,200 --> 01:07:33,360
I remember him saying to me, I 
don't care about what you say, I

1394
01:07:33,360 --> 01:07:34,640
just want to shoot the dance 
numbers. 

1395
01:07:34,640 --> 01:07:37,080
Had it been shorter, it would 
have squeaked by and been a good

1396
01:07:37,080 --> 01:07:39,560
popcorn movie. 
I mean, yeah, says it all 

1397
01:07:39,560 --> 01:07:41,600
really, doesn't it, I? 
Actually think it could have cut

1398
01:07:41,600 --> 01:07:44,240
probably 2 to 3 numbers. 
Yeah. 

1399
01:07:44,240 --> 01:07:47,160
And bit like the fact that this 
movie is nearly two hours long 

1400
01:07:47,160 --> 01:07:50,440
is pretty unforgivable. 
Yeah, there's too many numbers, 

1401
01:07:50,440 --> 01:07:52,120
too many numbers about 
burlesque. 

1402
01:07:52,480 --> 01:07:54,880
That aren't really burlesque 
numbers and like. 

1403
01:07:55,360 --> 01:07:57,960
And also and then to have this 
big emotional song where she's 

1404
01:07:57,960 --> 01:08:00,920
saying she's bound to her new 
love and then the way that that 

1405
01:08:00,920 --> 01:08:02,760
just falls apart. 
She's like, screw you, I'm just 

1406
01:08:02,760 --> 01:08:05,080
going to jump someone else. 
That song feels like it's all 

1407
01:08:05,080 --> 01:08:08,080
about like I'm taking a risk. 
I'm jumping over the edge. 

1408
01:08:08,080 --> 01:08:11,440
I'm and it's like, it's not like
you've met met someone from a 

1409
01:08:11,440 --> 01:08:14,280
rival burlesque show. 
And it's like, I don't know. 

1410
01:08:14,280 --> 01:08:16,160
Yeah, it's so right. 
I mean, I guess that's what 

1411
01:08:16,160 --> 01:08:18,800
happens when you get 2 Divas in 
a movie that are both like, no 

1412
01:08:18,800 --> 01:08:22,240
I'm getting my ballads. 
Oh, yeah, It's very, you know. 

1413
01:08:22,319 --> 01:08:23,640
Yeah. 
Who have you got? 

1414
01:08:23,640 --> 01:08:26,120
I've got Sia. 
Yeah, well, I've got Diane 

1415
01:08:26,120 --> 01:08:28,080
Warren, which let's fight it 
out. 

1416
01:08:28,359 --> 01:08:30,240
Love it. 
They don't duet, which is 

1417
01:08:30,240 --> 01:08:32,160
interesting. 
That would have been good. 

1418
01:08:32,359 --> 01:08:36,120
Yeah, I wonder why there's no 
extena and shared duet 

1419
01:08:36,120 --> 01:08:39,680
performance. 
I think they had a tough time 

1420
01:08:39,680 --> 01:08:41,920
with scheduling. 
I think Cher was not available 

1421
01:08:41,920 --> 01:08:44,319
for very long. 
But yeah, I wonder why you. 

1422
01:08:44,319 --> 01:08:48,160
Kind of think that would be like
a we that what we just need to 

1423
01:08:48,160 --> 01:08:50,040
make that work. 
They have to be on stage 

1424
01:08:50,040 --> 01:08:51,800
together, especially at the end 
or something. 

1425
01:08:51,800 --> 01:08:55,040
Yeah, or like. 
Imagine sharing there. 

1426
01:08:55,840 --> 01:08:59,960
Show you how to bless. 
But you can imagine like a 

1427
01:08:59,960 --> 01:09:05,279
mentor, like a gypsy sort of 
style number where it's like 

1428
01:09:05,279 --> 01:09:08,120
mentor mentee learning the 
ropes. 

1429
01:09:08,120 --> 01:09:10,640
You could do it on stage for 
comedy effect, but it's also 

1430
01:09:10,640 --> 01:09:12,359
mirroring what's happening in 
the movie. 

1431
01:09:12,359 --> 01:09:13,760
Yeah. 
Totally. 

1432
01:09:13,800 --> 01:09:16,160
I mean, that's a huge wasted 
opportunity. 

1433
01:09:16,720 --> 01:09:20,000
Yeah. 
I mean for me this movie is a 

1434
01:09:20,000 --> 01:09:23,120
glossy long form pop video. 
Yeah. 

1435
01:09:23,640 --> 01:09:27,640
It's unfortunate though that I 
think it's aesthetically not the

1436
01:09:27,640 --> 01:09:32,600
kind of pop video I really love.
Like I don't like The Pussycat 

1437
01:09:32,800 --> 01:09:33,479
Dolls. 
See. 

1438
01:09:33,600 --> 01:09:36,200
Not. 
Not really, Boo not. 

1439
01:09:36,200 --> 01:09:40,560
Really so the aesthetically, I 
think I don't really resonate 

1440
01:09:40,560 --> 01:09:44,000
with it that much. 
And therefore I'm I'm a bit 

1441
01:09:44,000 --> 01:09:47,080
like, yes, this is a long form 
pop video and like I wish it 

1442
01:09:47,080 --> 01:09:49,760
were a different. 
So trashy. 

1443
01:09:49,800 --> 01:09:52,279
I think I'm, I think I'm there, 
right? 

1444
01:09:52,479 --> 01:09:55,000
I've like, I've, I've watched so
many of the way it's staged and 

1445
01:09:55,000 --> 01:09:57,360
I'm like, yeah, like, oh, I love
this. 

1446
01:09:57,680 --> 01:09:59,760
I've got another like critique. 
Go on. 

1447
01:09:59,880 --> 01:10:03,200
The other thing I think that is 
really important about burlesque

1448
01:10:03,360 --> 01:10:06,280
is that it's like about female 
empowerment and sexual 

1449
01:10:06,280 --> 01:10:08,120
liberation. 
It's about like taking your 

1450
01:10:08,120 --> 01:10:12,560
power, taking your sexuality and
doing it on your terms in a 

1451
01:10:12,560 --> 01:10:16,320
controlled space that is safe. 
That is like powerful. 

1452
01:10:16,880 --> 01:10:19,520
And this movie doesn't go into 
any of those politics. 

1453
01:10:19,720 --> 01:10:22,880
It's like it kind of, if 
anything, shame strippers at the

1454
01:10:22,880 --> 01:10:24,840
beginning of the movies. 
Like this isn't strippers. 

1455
01:10:24,840 --> 01:10:27,000
This is something different. 
And then from then on, it 

1456
01:10:27,000 --> 01:10:29,600
doesn't deal with any of that 
idea. 

1457
01:10:29,800 --> 01:10:32,760
And I would have loved to have 
seen, I don't know, say 

1458
01:10:32,760 --> 01:10:35,920
Christina is meek and shy and 
she doesn't understand that, 

1459
01:10:35,920 --> 01:10:39,360
like, sexuality is something 
that she can use as a powerful 

1460
01:10:39,360 --> 01:10:41,680
tool in her arsenal. 
And she sees that and that's 

1461
01:10:41,680 --> 01:10:45,000
what she's resonating with. 
And that is then then I'm like, 

1462
01:10:45,000 --> 01:10:46,800
oh, this is a movie about 
burlesque. 

1463
01:10:46,800 --> 01:10:48,640
Oh, it's not. 
It's not a movie about burlesque

1464
01:10:48,640 --> 01:10:51,520
at all. 
And so that kind of element of 

1465
01:10:51,520 --> 01:10:54,720
it is really missing for me 
because it's just like watch, 

1466
01:10:54,720 --> 01:10:57,440
it's just watching hot dancers 
be hot dancers. 

1467
01:10:57,440 --> 01:11:01,200
And there's no sense that like 
there's something subversive 

1468
01:11:01,200 --> 01:11:02,400
happening. 
There's. 

1469
01:11:03,360 --> 01:11:08,680
No, I agree with you. 
It's just right now it's giving 

1470
01:11:08,680 --> 01:11:11,240
me like, where's your Protect 
Queer arts? 

1471
01:11:11,280 --> 01:11:12,440
Right. 
It's very that. 

1472
01:11:12,440 --> 01:11:15,360
It's very that you're. 
So right, I'm not disagreeing, 

1473
01:11:15,360 --> 01:11:17,560
but it's also yeah, protect 
queer arts. 

1474
01:11:18,880 --> 01:11:22,200
It's so true. 
It's so true, yeah, but. 

1475
01:11:22,200 --> 01:11:25,200
You're so right. 
I I 100% agree with you. 

1476
01:11:25,600 --> 01:11:29,920
So, and that's why I'm like, oh,
this is really a movie made by a

1477
01:11:29,920 --> 01:11:33,960
fucking LA gay who just likes 
looking at hot girls. 

1478
01:11:33,960 --> 01:11:35,880
And there are hot girls who 
wanted to do it. 

1479
01:11:35,880 --> 01:11:39,160
And everyone's just like, should
we just be hot people in LA and 

1480
01:11:39,160 --> 01:11:43,280
make a hot movie? 
And it's like, yes, but like, 

1481
01:11:43,280 --> 01:11:47,480
don't call it burlesque you 
fucks. 

1482
01:11:48,680 --> 01:11:50,840
Well, well, you told them, 
Crystal. 

1483
01:11:51,560 --> 01:11:52,880
The other thing I wanted to 
think. 

1484
01:11:52,880 --> 01:11:57,600
About about the history of. 
I was just thinking about Alan 

1485
01:11:57,600 --> 01:12:01,680
coming in this, who is obviously
like one of the most iconic MCS 

1486
01:12:02,080 --> 01:12:04,480
done Cabaret. 
And then I was comparing and 

1487
01:12:04,480 --> 01:12:07,800
contrasting this movie with 
Cabaret, which I know we have 

1488
01:12:07,800 --> 01:12:11,960
not covered on this podcast, but
that is a movie that is like 

1489
01:12:12,120 --> 01:12:14,480
ostensibly kind of about the 
same sort of thing. 

1490
01:12:14,920 --> 01:12:18,880
And it's like, so good. 
Is it about the same thing? 

1491
01:12:19,400 --> 01:12:22,080
Well, it, it uses the same 
vehicle. 

1492
01:12:22,080 --> 01:12:25,880
It's like, what if we told a 
story around a nightclub and the

1493
01:12:25,880 --> 01:12:29,360
performers in this nightclub and
like the, the degradation of 

1494
01:12:29,360 --> 01:12:30,920
that. 
And like there's a new person 

1495
01:12:30,920 --> 01:12:33,680
who comes to town and they're 
experiencing this whole new 

1496
01:12:33,680 --> 01:12:35,760
world. 
And one of them manages to be a 

1497
01:12:35,760 --> 01:12:41,000
really fucking hard hitting 
piece about like, Nazi Germany 

1498
01:12:41,280 --> 01:12:44,920
and like, queer rights and 
nightclub culture and like, 

1499
01:12:44,920 --> 01:12:51,000
decadence and like, it's so 
powerful and this movie. 

1500
01:12:51,280 --> 01:12:53,360
I don't think they are about the
same thing. 

1501
01:12:53,880 --> 01:12:57,520
I just, I think they're both 
musical set in a, in a cabaret, 

1502
01:12:57,520 --> 01:13:01,240
yeah, space. 
And I'm just like, it's amazing 

1503
01:13:01,240 --> 01:13:03,760
how much you can do with that. 
Yeah. 

1504
01:13:03,760 --> 01:13:07,720
And and 100 years ago or 
something like when did cabaret?

1505
01:13:08,160 --> 01:13:10,640
When was? 
I don't know when it was. 60s. 

1506
01:13:11,040 --> 01:13:14,400
Yeah, maybe. 70s, I don't know 
when the musical came out, no. 

1507
01:13:15,360 --> 01:13:21,960
So it's like say 70 years ago 
and then versus this movie, 

1508
01:13:22,200 --> 01:13:28,400
which is almost like someone saw
Cabaret miss the entire point 

1509
01:13:28,880 --> 01:13:32,160
and then was like, let me, let 
me have a go. 

1510
01:13:32,560 --> 01:13:35,840
And it just makes, it just kind 
of makes me laugh. 

1511
01:13:36,320 --> 01:13:38,880
No, of course I I just think I, 
I, it's. 

1512
01:13:38,880 --> 01:13:41,480
Wrong to compare them. 
Yeah, basically I'm just like, 

1513
01:13:41,880 --> 01:13:45,040
obviously cabaret is about like,
yeah, like a framework about 

1514
01:13:46,240 --> 01:13:49,360
showcasing society and turning 
that on its head through art, 

1515
01:13:49,360 --> 01:13:50,840
which is yeah, yeah. 
But I. 

1516
01:13:50,880 --> 01:13:53,120
Thought how dare they put Alan 
Cumming in there and do a 

1517
01:13:53,120 --> 01:13:56,560
cabaret reference. 
How dare Alan Cumming accept the

1518
01:13:56,560 --> 01:13:57,840
check. 
Funny. 

1519
01:13:57,840 --> 01:13:59,720
Yeah, fair. 
If he cares that much about the 

1520
01:13:59,720 --> 01:14:03,080
art form that he's been part of,
he just got the check. 

1521
01:14:03,120 --> 01:14:06,160
And I'm not saying every every 
movie needs to be that. 

1522
01:14:06,160 --> 01:14:08,600
That is what you're saying. 
You're saying every movie needs 

1523
01:14:08,600 --> 01:14:10,480
to be said. 
It's a star vehicle. 

1524
01:14:10,480 --> 01:14:12,200
It is. 
It was never going to be. 

1525
01:14:12,640 --> 01:14:14,240
It could have been a little bit 
better. 

1526
01:14:14,240 --> 01:14:16,880
But Cadbury was a star vehicle 
for Liza Minnelli. 

1527
01:14:16,880 --> 01:14:20,240
It was just also people cared to
make a good movie about a good. 

1528
01:14:20,360 --> 01:14:24,400
But also, it's like the people 
that created that musical, like 

1529
01:14:24,520 --> 01:14:26,880
we're just way more credible 
people anyway. 

1530
01:14:26,880 --> 01:14:29,160
But I don't think it was. 
And that's why I say this movie 

1531
01:14:29,160 --> 01:14:34,320
was made by idiots for idiots. 
Well, I'm an idiot, yeah. 

1532
01:14:35,240 --> 01:14:38,720
I mean, I watched it, I turned 
my brain off and I had a lovely 

1533
01:14:38,720 --> 01:14:40,720
time looking at Sharon Christina
Aguilera. 

1534
01:14:42,320 --> 01:14:47,360
I've got no complaints. 
I think there's a deeper concept

1535
01:14:47,360 --> 01:14:51,320
at the heart of this, and I 
think it is a critique on air 

1536
01:14:51,480 --> 01:14:54,760
rights. 
You know what we don't talk 

1537
01:14:54,760 --> 01:14:55,640
about? 
Air rights. 

1538
01:14:55,880 --> 01:14:58,080
Not enough. 
Not at all, no. 

1539
01:14:58,080 --> 01:15:02,560
And if anything, this film and 
this podcast has highlighted air

1540
01:15:02,560 --> 01:15:06,640
rights and the fact we should be
more aware of them because 

1541
01:15:06,640 --> 01:15:11,800
listeners listen up right now. 
There's a lot of air who has the

1542
01:15:11,800 --> 01:15:14,640
rights to it, though. 
I'm going to leave you with 

1543
01:15:14,640 --> 01:15:16,960
that. 
And I'm going to leave you with 

1544
01:15:16,960 --> 01:15:19,920
this, which was was what 
prompted me to write down by 

1545
01:15:19,920 --> 01:15:23,600
Idiots for Idiots. 
This is the costume designer 

1546
01:15:23,600 --> 01:15:25,800
again, and he's talking about 
Julianne Hoff. 

1547
01:15:26,120 --> 01:15:29,680
Oh yeah, yeah. 
Julianne was fun because she has

1548
01:15:29,680 --> 01:15:33,560
red hair. 
She's so different. 

1549
01:15:33,720 --> 01:15:36,000
She's not blonde. 
That's in the making of. 

1550
01:15:36,400 --> 01:15:38,760
OK, OK. 
That's where we're at. 

1551
01:15:38,760 --> 01:15:41,640
That's but you know what, We 
managed to talk about it but for

1552
01:15:41,880 --> 01:15:43,360
about this for about an hour and
a half. 

1553
01:15:43,360 --> 01:15:48,440
So you know, really who won? 
Not us. 

1554
01:15:49,400 --> 01:15:51,680
I think it's time to rate this 
movie. 

1555
01:15:51,760 --> 01:15:53,720
Rate this motherfucker. 
Yeah, yeah. 

1556
01:15:53,720 --> 01:15:57,640
So we need to give it our score 
on our patented camper meter. 

1557
01:15:57,720 --> 01:16:02,520
One to 10 Merrills for the 
quality and once 10 lies As for 

1558
01:16:02,520 --> 01:16:04,800
the camp factor. 
Yeah, yeah. 

1559
01:16:04,840 --> 01:16:07,920
OK, we're not going to agree 
here, but let's go. 

1560
01:16:07,920 --> 01:16:10,480
OK, Merrills, I'm going to give 
it 5. 

1561
01:16:10,880 --> 01:16:12,560
Oh yeah, that's what I was going
to go. 

1562
01:16:12,560 --> 01:16:15,160
Yeah. 5 Merrills, OH. 
OK, I thought you were. 

1563
01:16:15,880 --> 01:16:19,640
I think for what it is, yeah, I 
think it's a piece of shit, but 

1564
01:16:19,640 --> 01:16:22,840
I think it is a really good, fun
piece of shit. 

1565
01:16:23,480 --> 01:16:26,520
Yeah, because I think the 
cinematography is really 

1566
01:16:26,520 --> 01:16:28,680
gorgeous. 
I think that it's quite lux. 

1567
01:16:28,680 --> 01:16:30,360
I like the set designs and 
stuff. 

1568
01:16:30,360 --> 01:16:32,560
Yeah. 
And it's got like 2 great 

1569
01:16:33,360 --> 01:16:35,520
performers in it doing great 
performances. 

1570
01:16:36,000 --> 01:16:37,920
OK, Yeah, I. 
Just thought it's just, it's 

1571
01:16:37,920 --> 01:16:40,480
just like you can just tell this
was the first time director who 

1572
01:16:40,480 --> 01:16:41,960
had never written a movie 
before. 

1573
01:16:42,640 --> 01:16:45,720
And that does hold it back in in
certain ways. 

1574
01:16:46,320 --> 01:16:48,920
And what I've learned from doing
this podcast is there's a lot of

1575
01:16:48,920 --> 01:16:51,680
people that gave them get given 
very big opportunities in their 

1576
01:16:51,680 --> 01:16:54,240
first films, and maybe they 
shouldn't be allowed to do it. 

1577
01:16:54,320 --> 01:16:57,080
That's because their boyfriend 
owns a fucking production. 

1578
01:16:57,080 --> 01:16:58,800
Company. 
Fair play, fair play to you. 

1579
01:16:59,000 --> 01:17:02,360
Did you hear that they, they 
were having screaming rows, 

1580
01:17:02,360 --> 01:17:04,280
these two? 
No, they've been together for 

1581
01:17:04,280 --> 01:17:07,240
like 20 years at this point and 
they were just like screaming at

1582
01:17:07,240 --> 01:17:10,440
each other on set and like Cher,
apparently at one point I had to

1583
01:17:10,440 --> 01:17:14,240
be like, I need a calmer set 
because Steve and his boyfriend 

1584
01:17:14,240 --> 01:17:16,240
were just like boom boom boom. 
Oh my. 

1585
01:17:17,560 --> 01:17:20,680
Not that kind. 
OK, Eliza's. 

1586
01:17:21,200 --> 01:17:23,040
How many Lizas are we giving 
this movie? 

1587
01:17:23,640 --> 01:17:25,280
Oh, I'm giving it nine. 
Wow. 

1588
01:17:25,760 --> 01:17:28,400
Just because it's, it's so 
stupid. 

1589
01:17:28,400 --> 01:17:30,280
It is so stupid. 
It's stupid camp. 

1590
01:17:30,360 --> 01:17:33,520
It's like it's, it's as you 
said, it's kind of like, it is 

1591
01:17:33,520 --> 01:17:37,080
awful and it should get lots of 
deductions, but there's just 

1592
01:17:37,080 --> 01:17:39,880
enough wiggery. 
I I love how inconsistent 

1593
01:17:39,880 --> 01:17:43,120
Christina's character is. 
She's a real gaslighting mean 

1594
01:17:43,120 --> 01:17:46,000
cow who's meant to be like the 
Anjani that we support. 

1595
01:17:46,320 --> 01:17:51,080
Yeah, yeah, you. 
It's so it's so often jumps 

1596
01:17:51,080 --> 01:17:54,680
between camp full like joyous 
camp where you're like, I'm 

1597
01:17:54,680 --> 01:17:56,960
watching a great production 
number and I love looking at it 

1598
01:17:57,120 --> 01:18:00,080
to like this movie is a piece of
shit and I'm loving watching. 

1599
01:18:00,720 --> 01:18:03,480
It but like even like the 
ending, it's just we're going 

1600
01:18:03,480 --> 01:18:05,840
through the motions. 
There's a camp this to that that

1601
01:18:05,840 --> 01:18:07,880
I totally yeah. 
What are you going with? 

1602
01:18:08,880 --> 01:18:10,560
That's me batting it over to 
you. 

1603
01:18:10,880 --> 01:18:14,120
I'm going to give it 7. 
Seven, Yeah. 

1604
01:18:14,840 --> 01:18:18,960
But I will give it 10 shares. 
I know why 7 just it just 

1605
01:18:18,960 --> 01:18:21,320
doesn't spark enough queer joy. 
So you're not. 

1606
01:18:21,560 --> 01:18:22,720
Are you damp? 
I know you're. 

1607
01:18:22,720 --> 01:18:26,400
Not damp, I'm damp, I'm damp. 
It's like, it's good when you 

1608
01:18:26,400 --> 01:18:29,240
want to turn your brain off and 
just like look at the pretty 

1609
01:18:29,240 --> 01:18:32,440
things and like laugh at the 
stupid stuff. 

1610
01:18:32,600 --> 01:18:34,840
It you know what it's, what else
could you want? 

1611
01:18:34,960 --> 01:18:38,240
Yeah, I mean, to be honest, it's
probably better than it deserves

1612
01:18:38,240 --> 01:18:40,320
ticket for anything. 
It's done quite well so. 

1613
01:18:41,240 --> 01:18:43,560
But look, we had a lovely time 
and I have had a lovely time 

1614
01:18:43,560 --> 01:18:45,040
talking about it. 
And. 

1615
01:18:46,440 --> 01:18:48,280
What else is there in life, 
really? 

1616
01:18:51,680 --> 01:18:55,120
But thank you so much, 
Christina, for giving us this 

1617
01:18:55,120 --> 01:18:57,600
one movie in a lifetime. 
And I don't think you're going 

1618
01:18:57,600 --> 01:18:58,760
to do anymore. 
No, I don't. 

1619
01:18:59,000 --> 01:19:02,200
And yeah, if you're going to do 
just one, make it this one. 

1620
01:19:03,480 --> 01:19:05,680
You know we could only dream. 
We can. 

1621
01:19:06,080 --> 01:19:08,760
OK, well we'll be back in two 
more weeks with some more Camp 

1622
01:19:08,760 --> 01:19:15,560
Classics and for the last time 
before we go ever Wagon Wheel. 

1623
01:19:15,560 --> 01:19:18,040
What tushy I? 
Always say tushy get. 

1624
01:19:19,400 --> 01:19:23,480
Away from her, you bitch. 
Blasting. 

1625
01:19:24,320 --> 01:19:27,720
He was in the Amazon with my mom
when she was researching spiders

1626
01:19:27,760 --> 01:19:35,120
right before she died. 
No, Hannah thought. 

1627
01:19:35,200 --> 01:19:36,440
You become a prostitute. 
You're a. 

1628
01:19:36,440 --> 01:19:39,080
GOG at it. 
I still love doggy chow. 

1629
01:19:40,440 --> 01:19:42,080
I used to love doggy chest too.
