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What's up guys? 
Welcome to another episode of 

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Realism Talks podcast, guys. 
I got them in. 

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I got Cliff and Stuart. 
They're in. 

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So excited. 
Welcome guys. 

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Thanks for having. 
Us. 

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How's it going? 
How's it going? 

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Yeah. 
And, and when I was driving out 

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here, I was just blown away by 
how beautiful it is out here. 

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It's literally like, it reminds 
me of Kentucky a lot like the 

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greenery and the realness. 
You guys are right down my alley

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with that one. 
But guys, today's going to be a 

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great episode. 
We're going to talk about some 

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tough questions in Christianity,
so I'm going to ask you guys, 

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don't worry. 
I'm not going to pull your legs 

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so much to where you're going to
be like, oh, Dang, I don't know 

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how to answer that. 
But we're going to get into a 

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little bit because there's a lot
of people that are confused 

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about scripture. 
And obviously when you go on 

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social media, there's so many 
opinions and I hate to say it, 

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but you got to call it how it 
is. 

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Like today, runs off technology,
runs off social media. 

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You know, even those who say I 
don't scroll much, they probably

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are. 
So like, what do you guys think 

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is a great way for teenagers, 
especially who are beginning 

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their walk, maybe in high school
or maybe going into college to 

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stay focused? 
I know a lot of people say make 

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sure you pray, make sure you 
read the Bible. 

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But like what specifically has 
helped you guys to always keep 

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your mentality on that and to 
always focus on Jesus through 

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every decision? 
Like what would you? 

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What would you say your answer 
to that would be? 

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Yeah, the average teenagers 
looking at TikTok 7 hours a day 

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is the latest stat I saw. 
And to focus on Christ is just 

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to have a totally different lens
where glasses like CS Lewis 

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talked about that are radically 
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And I, I think Christians can 
make 2 mistakes according to 

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Paul, according to Christ, 
according to James, where it's 

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living in the world but not of 
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And I think the the two extremes
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where you lose the culture wars.
You think back to the 1920s and 

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the Scopes trials and how that's
when Christians just abandoned 

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the culture in the halls of 
power because they were scared 

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of Darwinism and so not of the 
world you have to be very 

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careful with. 
But then the other extreme is in

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the world and are you too 
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And when we talk with a lot of 
big football teams like 

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University of Texas, it's 
amazing to listen to the leaders

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on the team and how they talk 
about how the football team is 

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often times either in the world 
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not of the world. 
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athletes lean towards being too 
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When we talk to these 
quarterbacks, they say a lot of 

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it comes down to how they are 
living and when they're living 

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with glasses that are Christ 
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winning. 
Like the pressure is off because

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winning is not everything. 
Then you go out there with a 

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totally different perspective 
and I think that's true for all 

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of us. 
Whether it's living for money, 

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power, sex, attractiveness, you 
name it, it's OK. 

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Those things, if done correctly,
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healthy. 
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become idols like Saint 
Augustine talks about, then that

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idolatry leads to something that
is, that just leads to our 

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demise as Christians. 
Yeah, and that I love the point 

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you made about sports because 
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people overlook is how sports 
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how you dedicate early mornings.
You dedicate all of this time to

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study your other teams, study 
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sports, study stats for your 
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And people don't realize how 
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God? 
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feel like will be so wrapped up 
in that that they get caught up 

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in the world, like you said, in 
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successful in a sport. 
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need to watch out for growing up
is, yes, God wants you to have 

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fun. 
God wants you to be healthy and 

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exercise, but is it taking him, 
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Is it too much? 
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to 100 real quick, you know what
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So sports can easily become an 
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And I think that with the 
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understand as long as God's in 
there and not only in there, but

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first, because who's giving you 
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Who's giving you the endurance, 
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him. 
And the more we recognize those 

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things, more gratitudes in our 
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So before we get really into 
these questions, I want to go 

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ahead and bow our heads and 
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I want the Holy Spirit to be 
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let's go ahead and talk to him 
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Dear Heavenly Father, well, 
thank you so much for this time 

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together that Cliff and Stewart 
are able to do and how we're 

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able to reach so many people 
from across the screen or from 

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across an earbud. 
And that's all you. 

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So we glorify you. 
We welcome you right now. 

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You say we're two or three. 
Gather. 

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You are there, so we ask Lord 
that you are present and we ask 

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Lord that you speak to us and we
love you Lord, and it's in your 

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son's name. 
I pray Jesus Christ, Amen, Amen,

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Amen. 
So hope you guys are ready for 

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some good questions because 
these are some stuff that I 

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might struggle with as well. 
A little bit of answering, but I

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just I'm just so interested in 
your all's perspective. 

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You guys have been doing 
unbelievable work for 

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unbelievers and I think that 
that's something a lot of people

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don't want to do because you're 
going to get the most anger 

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filled responses from that. 
You know, it's, it's one thing 

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to talk to your church, but it's
another thing to talk to people 

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who just don't want anything to 
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And for you all to have that 
boldness is inspiring. 

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So let me ask what made you guys
start going into that 

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apologetics area? 
Like what made you feel called 

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to do that through the wisdom 
and knowledge God's given you or

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what? 
What do you think, Cliff? 

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What do you think? 
First of all, it's been very 

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important for Stuart and me to 
have a high view of God. 

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Yeah, if you minimize God, if 
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great, then you're not going to 
see the gap between people and 

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God, between people in Christ. 
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God, which is to have an 
accurate view of God, is really 

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important because it's what 
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It's the way our faith grows. 
It's the way we're rooted and 

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grounded. 
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mediocrity, sinfulness, pride, 
high view of God, appropriate 

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humility, integrity, worshipping
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Secondly, we have to have a high
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God has given us consciences and
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every agnostic has a conscience,
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conscience. 
And so when you have a high view

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of justice and compassion, 
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person's conscience and to their
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And then thirdly, we have to 
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Why? 
Because scripture is God 

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revealing Himself, and if God 
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view of God will probably be an 
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And I don't want to worship 
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Self worship is not cool. 
It's not the way to security in 

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life, it's not the way to peace.
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It's not the way to real 
satisfaction because it all 

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Peters out. 
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in Him as a result of knowing 
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greatness, that's crucial. 
And what the Bible is, is God 

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opening up and revealing himself
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So those three points, a high 
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justice and compassion, and a 
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crucial to us continuing to do 
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I love that because like that's 
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is they, since they don't 
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lot do, they just don't want to 
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But those who don't fully 
believe, it's so crucial to 

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understand, like what you said, 
the authority of it because 

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you're not going to respect them
unless you understand what kind 

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of role he has. 
And that's he's a creator and he

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created you. 
We're put on this planet to 

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worship him. 
We're put on this planet to 

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bring others to him. 
And the world has normalized and

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trained our brains that, no, you
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You got to have, you know, you 
got to fit into whatever's 

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trending. 
You got to wear the right 

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clothes, you got to say the 
right things or you're 

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condemned. 
It's just God intended us to 

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live in harmony with one 
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And it's sad for me to see 
unbelievers just they have no 

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idea that with that's why we're 
on this planet And people have 

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forgotten about it over the 
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And it's exactly coming out of 
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They called it, Jesus calls 
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And did you guys hear about that
tomb that they supposedly found 

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in Egypt? 
And then Jesus calls, calls it 

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what, what, what chapter was it 
where he says, if they say they 

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found me in a secret chamber, 
don't believe it. 

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And they literally the headline 
was Jesus found in a secret 

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chamber? 
And it's like, I don't, I see it

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as kind of funny because he just
calls so much in in life and and

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we see it into fruition all the 
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But let me ask you some 
questions about like your hold 

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on just a second here they are. 
I'm tired of the denominational 

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wars y'all. 
So like, what do you all think? 

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Obviously I know that you know I
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question, but which 
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I don't think a denomination 
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I don't think a specific church 
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I think it's a specific person 
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Christ offers at the cross. 
And so endless amounts of people

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with tons of churches and are 
part of different denominations 

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are basically taking Christ off 
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working my way to heaven and I'm
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And it sounds humble. 
It almost sounds like, wow, that

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person's got the gospel. 
But then you just look 

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underneath it and you say, wait 
a second, no, there's like any 

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other religion, they're working 
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And so I see that in many 
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And so the key is to say, no, 
we're all in this together. 

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A leader's final words are the 
ones he wants to get across the 

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most pointedly. 
And what does Jesus say in John 

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17 and 18? 
He says, Father, I want them to 

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be 1, as you and I are one. 
What is Paul doing with all the 

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other early churches? 
Trying to make them one. 

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And so it is sad. 
We love the revival going on, or

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at least the great surge going 
on, but we don't like how often 

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we get really put on the spot. 
We have answers for it. 

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We don't have the greatest. 
At least I don't have the 

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greatest knowledge about church 
history. 

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I studied it in seminary. 
Me either, but I'm learning, 

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yeah. 
Right. 

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And so when people come and say,
no, this is the denomination 

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that gets you to heaven, and you
better understand this minor 

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point or you don't get to 
heaven, then you get into a very

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dangerous position. 
Like I'm not here to call it any

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denomination in, in this 
podcast, but I just, I'm glad 

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that you said that 'cause I was 
trying to infirm the point that 

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when you're like, yes, I feel 
like a lot of people have full 

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faith in, in the blood of Christ
and the finished work. 

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But when you start going into 
the mentality of I have to do 

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this in order to feel closer to 
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I have to do this in order for 
God to feel like he's worthy for

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putting me into heaven. 
I have to do this. 

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You're trusting on what you have
to do to make yourself right in 

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a, in a God who already did it. 
And you know, you look at the 

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religions that say do, do, do, 
do, do, like you said, but Jesus

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is done. 
It's the only one. 

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It's the only religion with an 
empty grave. 

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It's the only religion that says
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And that's why when you said 
Paul talks about it so often, 

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what do you, Cliff? 
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interesting to me because it's 
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blatantly obvious that it's not 
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Galatians or between Paul and 
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about the faith without works is
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I mean, I have my viewpoint 
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it's a contradiction. 
What do you think you would say 

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to that? 
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between Paul and James. 
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Galatians 220. 
I've been crucified with Christ,

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and I no longer live, but Christ
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in this body. 
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God who loved me and gave 
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He loved me and he gave himself 
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in the cross of our Lord Jesus 
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has been crucified to me, and I 
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In between those two is 
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the fruit of the Spirit. 
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your sinful nature? 
What happens when you genuinely 

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put your faith in Christ? 
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Lovejoy, peace, patience, 
kindness, goodness, 

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faithfulness, gentleness, and 
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In other words, when you put 
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has to change because God's Holy
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inside out. 
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does not say works without works
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dead. 
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and works. 
James is contrasting sincere 

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faith versus insincere faith. 
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works. 
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no works. 
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contradiction between Paul and 
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The point is, genuine faith is 
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will be shown in good. 
Deeds. 

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Yeah, I I agree with that 
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It's just like the fig tree 
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It's like you look fruitful, but
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was no fruit and he cursed. 
And does that mean we go out and

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curse fig trees? 
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trying to tape our fruit to this
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It's natural and it's something 
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And like we talked about a 
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the next subject, but people 
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It has to be this, this and 
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When you, that's not the point. 
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and you, you want to look back 
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from now and be like, Oh my 
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I've gotten so much better at 
anger. 

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I've gotten so much better at 
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I've got so much better these 
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It just happens because you're 
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So I mean, I just think that 
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Cliff, James and Paul. 
That's one of the big debates I 

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think in in a lot of people's 
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contradiction even for atheists 
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contradiction, but I don't know 
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that. 
Still before I go to the. 

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Yeah, I think it's just a 

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balance, right? 
When Christianity pits itself 

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against one or the other, which 
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some professors and a lot of 
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thing. 
Yeah, I get the question all the

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time, which I appreciate. 
It's a very personal one. 

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On every college campus, 
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least a handful of students who 
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Stuart, what can we be praying 
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And I'll say Book of Proverbs, 
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That is always my one word. 
I'm not going to give much I 

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will say in my life to trying to
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to your good question. 
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understanding, grace and truth, 
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And too often, whatever the 
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on to one of the extremes. 
But read the book of Proverbs. 

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So many of the proverbs are 
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And then they're mentioned again
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Proverbs has so many of those. 
But that's a great answer, man, 

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Love that. 
Hold on a second. 

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Let me get to where I was. 
Sometimes I lose my page. 

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But another question I was going
to ask you guys was what's maybe

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the hardest question an atheist 
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Where you had to like pause if 
there any, is there anything 

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that can't comes to mind where 
maybe there's a question where 

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in your head you're like, oh, 
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Like I, I know there's got to be
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have some moments like that as 
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Has there been one that's just 
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ask that is there or do you feel
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power to give you the words in 
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I know you feel confident in it,
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The hardest questions from my 
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suffering. 
If anybody thinks they've got 

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the water tight answer to that 
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lunch. 
We ultimately don't know why God

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allows suffering. 
We ultimately don't know why God

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performs a miracle in one 
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We don't know why Jesus healed 
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people. 
So the problem of suffering is a

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very difficult question, but 
there are so many different 

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angles in answering that. 
The one that I've recently been 

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focusing on is you're so 
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because you know that things are
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Well, what do you mean when you 
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That implies that you understand
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what ought to be. 
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is no should be. 
There is no ought to be. 

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There just is. 
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So suck it up and deal with what
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When you start saying that's 
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sudden you are introducing A 
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That is too bad. 
No, you know better than that. 

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You know that suffering really 
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OK, so why do you know that? 
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standard of should be and ought 
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minds and consciences so that we
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and ought to be. 
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way it should be. 
We all die. 

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We know that life is not the way
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We all suffer. 
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The only reason you know what a 
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know what a straight stick is. 
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that suffering is bad is because
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And then secondly, what strikes 
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is no ultimate solution for 
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When you die, you rot and that 
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adopt the position. 
Death is just a stage of life. 

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That's about as nonsensical and 
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quadriplegic paralysis is just a
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Paralysis is the end of 
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stage of life. 
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And Jesus Christ offers eternal 
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who trust in him. 
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an historical resurrection. 
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key problem. 
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Everybody's got that problem. 
Every atheist, agnostic, 

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Christian, Hindu, Buddhist, Jew,
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We all have a problem, and I 
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the problem of suffering and by 
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And then two other questions are
why the wars in the Old 

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Testament? 
Why slavery? 

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Why some of the weird laws in 
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And I think the point is really 
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Those are not permanent laws. 
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commandments. 
Some are like love your 

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neighbors yourself, but a lot of
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mixing clothing, about not 
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milk, about not touching a 
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were given for a specific time 
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out from among all the cultures 
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He's calling them to be unique 
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It's very similar to the Civil 
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That's a great point because it 
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Scripture were to be written 
today, they'd make points about 

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certain things. 
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2000 years ago. 
So I I see what you mean by that

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law. 
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goodness part of it. 
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Because what I like to tell 
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without good. 
Like you can't have evil without

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good. 
So what I like to talk about on 

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my channel a lot is the evil 
that's in this world because 

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it'll help non believers 
understand that there's an evil 

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force. 
And if there's an evil force, 

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there must be a good force 
because evil can't exist without

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the absence of good. 
Darkness can't exist without the

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absence of light. 
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try and sway some people into 
that perspective, they'll 

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understand. 
Well, yeah, I mean, this evil 

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is, I mean, you look at Epstein 
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different things and it's 
obviously there's an evil force.

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And that can't exist unless you 
know there's a better force. 

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That can't exist unless you know
this is how it should be. 

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So that's why I think a lot of 
times people say that atheists 

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have more faith than Christians 
is because they're putting so 

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much faith against it that 
that's why they haven't found 

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it. 
So. 

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I mean, do you have anything to 
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No, OK, that's fine stated. 
I mean, unless you're asking me 

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the question. 
No, I mean. 

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The toughest one for me to 
answer is how is your love life?

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And I think that's the toughest 
one. 

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I'm kidding. 
I'm just kidding. 

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We're. 
Going there, we're going. 

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There no, no, no. 
The love life is fine. 

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I think the toughest question 
for me, honestly, is, is more of

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the personal. 
Again, it's how much time you're

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going to spend away from your 
family versus what you do for 

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Christ. 
And I remember some of those 

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professors that I had their 
fathers or they themselves were 

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part of the Billy Graham 
crusade. 

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What was one of Billy Graham's 
greatest regrets? 

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Spending time away from his kids
may have been his biggest. 

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And so for us going away, we 
often times go away, but 

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hopefully again, it gets back to
that word balance where we're 

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calling our kids, we're 
Facetiming our kids. 

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Yes, we are away, but we're 
getting back as quickly as 

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possible. 
We don't do a week trip anymore.

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We do 2 date trips now because I
think you have to be involved 

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where there's a business and 
ministry, you name it. 

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You have to be very involved in 
your kids life. 

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If you decided to have kids, 
you've got to do and you got to 

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raise them up in the faith. 
I think a lot of yeah, that's a 

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great point raising up in the 
faith because a lot of people, 

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they forget that it starts at 
home. 

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Like if you have these 
aspirations to do all these 

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things in the world, it's great.
That's what God's calling you to

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do. 
But if you can't manage your own

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household, as Paul says, or is 
it James? 

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I think Paul said it like, how 
can you be expected of anything 

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else? 
So that's what I've been focused

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on lately because I got a 5 year
old and a wife. 

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But that's that's a great 
perspective on that. 

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And that's a great question that
might be difficult for me to 

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answer as well. 
But, and here's here's one that 

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maybe a lot of people don't ask 
y'all, if you feel comfortable, 

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what is one thing that maybe 
you've struggled with the most 

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in your walk with Christ 'cause 
I think sometimes and I've told 

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my people anger has been 
something I don't struggle with 

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it. 
I wouldn't say it's a struggle 

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anymore, but it's something that
will creep in because of the 

451
00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:16,040
past I've had. 
And I know that a lot of times 

452
00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:19,600
helping people listening right 
now and viewers understand that 

453
00:22:19,600 --> 00:22:21,560
we're no greater than you and 
we're sinners. 

454
00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:24,240
We struggle with things as well,
but we're being sanctified with 

455
00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:26,600
you as well. 
What would you say is something 

456
00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:29,280
if you feel comfortable? 
If not, it's OK, I can edit this

457
00:22:29,280 --> 00:22:31,400
out. 
But what would you feel would 

458
00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:34,280
say is something that God's been
working on with most of your 

459
00:22:34,280 --> 00:22:37,200
life? 
I don't know if there is. 

460
00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:41,040
Three things for me, pride, 
anger and fear. 

461
00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:45,240
First of all, pride. 
Pride is the heart of sin. 

462
00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:48,160
It's self preoccupation, self 
absorption. 

463
00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:52,200
It's being all caught up with 
myself, with my feelings. 

464
00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:56,360
It's saying my feelings and my 
heart defines what's right and 

465
00:22:56,360 --> 00:22:57,800
wrong. 
It's all about me. 

466
00:22:58,840 --> 00:23:02,280
And humility is moving myself 
out of the center and putting 

467
00:23:02,280 --> 00:23:05,960
God back at the center where He 
is really in reality, where He 

468
00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:08,520
belongs. 
So pride is the first thing I 

469
00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:10,120
struggle with. 
The second thing I struggle with

470
00:23:10,120 --> 00:23:13,880
has been anger. 
I have gotten teed off and lost 

471
00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:17,200
my temper with my wife, with my 
children, with university 

472
00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:20,320
students, with other people, and
I've really had to grow to 

473
00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:22,720
understand that nobody can make 
me angry. 

474
00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:26,320
I give people the power to make 
me angry, and that's a big 

475
00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:27,320
mistake. 
It's a good point. 

476
00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:30,720
I should not give anybody the 
power to make me lose my temper.

477
00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:36,280
God should be the only one who 
has His hand on the thermostat 

478
00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:39,600
of my emotional heat. 
Right, That's, that's a great 

479
00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:41,560
point. 
And and I think a lot of times 

480
00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:44,520
if you're given the gift of 
knowledge or wisdom or 

481
00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:47,160
discernment, one of your 
weaknesses could be pride and 

482
00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:49,400
anger because you've been given 
this knowledge and this wisdom 

483
00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:51,200
from God and this special 
discernment. 

484
00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:55,320
And it's easy to fall into the 
you don't agree with me. 

485
00:23:55,320 --> 00:23:57,280
You're wrong. 
Like, you know, it's just, it's 

486
00:23:57,280 --> 00:23:59,240
sometimes hard. 
So I struggle with that as well,

487
00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:03,800
but that's something that you 
specifically state to God said 

488
00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:06,160
instead of saying, Lord, I 
struggle with anger, say Lord, I

489
00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:07,560
struggle with people correcting 
me. 

490
00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:10,040
Lord, I struggle when somebody 
calls me out in front of people.

491
00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:12,920
Lord, I like the more specific 
you are, the more personal it is

492
00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:14,840
with God. 
I think he'll fight that, fight 

493
00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:18,040
that for you. 
But I know it's uncomfortable to

494
00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:20,840
talk about sometimes, but we 
have to be honest, you know, and

495
00:24:20,840 --> 00:24:22,920
it's sometimes it helps these 
people understand they're not 

496
00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:26,640
too far gone when someone they 
look up to like us or anyone 

497
00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:30,120
else has issues that Jesus has 
worked with him on as well. 

498
00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:33,680
So that's why I thought maybe 
I'd ask that question, but. 

499
00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:37,160
The third issue that I struggle 
with his fear. 

500
00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:44,000
Yeah. 
And faith involves risk, and 

501
00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:49,280
risk involves fear. 
So when I'm going to trust God, 

502
00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:52,520
when I'm going to trust anybody,
there's a risk. 

503
00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:57,200
When I trust myself, there's a 
risk, and that risk produces 

504
00:24:57,200 --> 00:25:00,080
fear. 
And so my challenge is to get 

505
00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:05,760
beyond the fear of risk, the 
fear of uncertainty, and realize

506
00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:09,560
that in spite of the fact that I
can't have proof, in spite of 

507
00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:15,080
the fact that I can't have total
confidence, absolute confidence,

508
00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:18,120
I have enough reliable knowledge
to trust. 

509
00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:21,480
And that is the way I develop a 
relationship with Christ. 

510
00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:23,560
It's the way I develop a 
relationship with my wife and 

511
00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:26,320
children and grandchildren. 
To know that there is enough 

512
00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:30,760
evidence, there's enough 
reliable knowledge to trust, and

513
00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:33,600
then to rest in the security of 
that person's love and 

514
00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:36,720
acceptance of me. 
Wow, that's a great point. 

515
00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:40,520
Because I think a lot of times 
maybe some of us don't even 

516
00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:42,760
understand how fearful we are. 
You know, we have all these 

517
00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:46,440
anxieties with work and money 
and it just overflows our brain 

518
00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:48,320
and our mind. 
And then that's why we don't 

519
00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:51,800
really feel God's presence a lot
is because we're moving away and

520
00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:54,040
we're focusing on these things 
that are causing fear. 

521
00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:56,480
And God tells us plain and 
simple that he doesn't give us 

522
00:25:56,480 --> 00:26:00,840
fear, but he gives us godly 
sorrow, which leads to 

523
00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:03,200
repentance. 
But that's a great point because

524
00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:06,600
I feel like a lot of people just
give in to so much anxiety and 

525
00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:08,720
that's linked with fear. 
You don't know what's going to 

526
00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:12,000
happen, but you then you look at
Philippians and it says don't 

527
00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:13,080
worry about anything. 
He said what? 

528
00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:15,600
Pray about everything. 
It's like it's the literally the

529
00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:16,800
equation to peace. 
What did you say? 

530
00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:19,520
Tell God what you need. 
Thank Him for what he has done, 

531
00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:23,000
and he will give you the peace 
that will surpass your 

532
00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:25,320
understanding. 
And people are like, how's it 

533
00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:26,920
that simple? 
Well, go out in prayer. 

534
00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:29,840
Think about things in your life 
that you're grateful for. 

535
00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:31,520
Think about the water, the food,
the shelter. 

536
00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:35,280
And as you think about that, 
more and more peace will seep 

537
00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:36,560
in. 
Well, that doesn't make sense, 

538
00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:38,280
Colin. 
I don't think it will surpasses 

539
00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:40,440
your understanding. 
So that's why I think 

540
00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:44,640
Philippians 4627 is great for 
those who deal with fear is go 

541
00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:46,680
to prayer, tell God what you 
need. 

542
00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:48,840
I'm strong with fear. 
Thank him for what you already 

543
00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:50,520
have. 
And then that's what he tells 

544
00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:52,000
you. 
It doesn't say if it says you 

545
00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:55,840
will experience the peace of 
God, which transcends your 

546
00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:58,040
understanding. 
So I think that's great answer 

547
00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:01,240
and it's it's, it's a lot to 
admit those kind of things, but 

548
00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:03,400
thank you seriously for 
admitting that guys, I. 

549
00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:05,240
Feel like I got to admit 
something then go. 

550
00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:08,240
For it if you want to man. 
Sociologists say that everybody 

551
00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:10,880
is born self-righteous. 
That's why I think Jesus was the

552
00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:13,080
first one to diagnose that 
issue. 

553
00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:18,000
I don't think it was Confucius. 
I don't think it was the Vedas 

554
00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:21,040
and Upanishads and Hinduism. 
I think it was Jesus Christ. 

555
00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:25,080
He, he talked about self 
righteousness, judgmentalism all

556
00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:26,480
the time, especially about the 
Pharisees. 

557
00:27:27,120 --> 00:27:29,920
And so for me, just to add on, 
because I struggle with all 

558
00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:32,360
those, if it was one more 
recently than I'm thinking 

559
00:27:32,360 --> 00:27:36,200
about, is greed. 
How often do you fear about 

560
00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:39,520
losing money? 
And then how often is it just so

561
00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:42,520
hard to give it away? 
Those are the two markers I go 

562
00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:46,440
by when it comes to greed. 
All right, Well, you asked me 8 

563
00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:47,960
years ago, Stewart, where were 
you living? 

564
00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:52,680
I was living in A1 room 
apartment with a big dumpster 5 

565
00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:57,440
feet from it in a town where the
school system would not have 

566
00:27:57,440 --> 00:27:59,720
been good for my kids. 
I lived there for about 2 1/2 

567
00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:01,480
years. 
Is that before you're saved or 

568
00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:03,560
after? 
I'm just curious. 

569
00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:05,840
No, no, I was saved. 
Yeah, I've been saved since I 

570
00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:07,080
was and. 
You still praise God through. 

571
00:28:07,120 --> 00:28:08,480
That. 
Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. 

572
00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:12,840
So but now I live in a very 
comfortable house, radically 

573
00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:15,200
different. 
And so the question becomes, no,

574
00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:17,640
I I don't think necessarily 
pastors or those in ministry 

575
00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:21,960
should be living under an 
overpass in a very dangerous 

576
00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:25,120
town and their kids going to a 
school system that's very risky 

577
00:28:25,120 --> 00:28:26,600
and and doesn't really educate 
them. 

578
00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:30,600
So I disagree with that. 
At the same time, how much money

579
00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:33,240
are you going to ultimately 
spend on yourself and your own 

580
00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:36,800
pleasures? 
And how hard is it to give away 

581
00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:42,800
in light of the fact of the 
matter, which is we could as 

582
00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:45,960
Americans alone, especially the 
billionaires here, end world 

583
00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:48,680
hunger? 
What are we doing when it comes 

584
00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:51,200
to those kids with the extended 
stomachs? 

585
00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:53,120
I think I've always Time 
magazine. 

586
00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:56,360
The number one picture in Time 
magazine a number of years ago 

587
00:28:56,560 --> 00:29:00,160
was that little African boy who 
had this huge extended stomach 

588
00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:04,320
and the Vulture right behind him
ready to eat him as he loses 

589
00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:05,800
consciousness. 
Man, that was powerful. 

590
00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:09,160
And so the greed issue is one 
that I think sleeps in and 

591
00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:12,280
whenever we had a have a class 
on greed, that's the one class 

592
00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:16,440
that no congregants want to go 
to and listen to the teaching 

593
00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:17,600
on. 
So Christians have to be 

594
00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:19,800
convicted on. 
And I'm that's one that I'm 

595
00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:21,360
convicted on more and more as of
recently. 

596
00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:24,080
I'll agree with that as well. 
I mean, I'll agree with that as 

597
00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:26,160
well because it's so easy, 
especially when you have a 

598
00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:30,240
family to to worry about it. 
And at the end of the day, like 

599
00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:33,120
you said, you praise God through
that small apartment and look 

600
00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:34,120
where he's LED you. 
And it does. 

601
00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:37,080
That means guaranteed forever 
believe or no doesn't mean that,

602
00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:40,720
but it also means it shows an 
example of God's faithfulness. 

603
00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:43,840
And I think one of the best ways
to prove God, not prove you 

604
00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:47,960
can't prove them, show them 
evidence is US and how we praise

605
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:49,640
him through these trials. 
And look at Paul. 

606
00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:52,600
I mean, just love that story. 
You can't talk about it enough, 

607
00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:55,840
how he went through that. 
He was the foremost because he 

608
00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:58,640
wanted people to see how 
transformative Jesus could be in

609
00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:01,360
your life. 
So I agree with you on the greed

610
00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:02,840
part. 
It's something that a lot of us 

611
00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:06,640
kind of our, our skin crawls 
when we talk about it, 'cause 

612
00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:07,960
it's like, no, I'm not addicted 
to money. 

613
00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:10,680
No, no, I'm not. 
I'm not because he says if you 

614
00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:12,360
serve God and money, you can't 
serve me. 

615
00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:15,520
So people like to be like, hide 
it on the rock. 

616
00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:18,320
I'm not, I need money, you know,
but like, I think like you said,

617
00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:22,280
to be willing to notice that it 
just, if people are more willing

618
00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:25,960
to notice what they struggle 
with, it just goes miles with 

619
00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:30,240
how your relationship builds. 
Like God just wants you to admit

620
00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:33,080
and surrender and so many people
just don't want to. 

621
00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:36,480
And it's sad for me. 
So I think telling people what 

622
00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:39,200
we struggle with maybe helps 
people understand, OK, well, 

623
00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:43,200
maybe if they'd someone who's 
that influential, well, maybe 

624
00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:45,200
maybe I can get through it, you 
know? 

625
00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:46,640
So that's why I maybe wanted to 
ask that. 

626
00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:49,760
Sorry if it was a little passing
line, but that's I think a great

627
00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:52,800
question to maybe ask some 
people who have a high influence

628
00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:55,080
because a lot of times they 
don't want to talk about what 

629
00:30:55,080 --> 00:31:00,080
they struggle with. 
And so this is a good one. 

630
00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:08,160
If Jesus was president today on 
this planet, what do you think 

631
00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:12,480
would bother him the most? 
What do you think? 

632
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:16,400
I know obviously there's so much
work and so much things that 

633
00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:18,680
need to be addressed in in this 
world, in this country. 

634
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:24,000
But what do you think he would 
probably sum it up as in like 

635
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:28,120
maybe that first couple 30 
seconds of if he had a speech, 

636
00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:29,600
like what do you think he would 
start with? 

637
00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:33,320
I'm just curious. 
In my opinion, I think he would 

638
00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:37,280
go to why are we not helping 
more? 

639
00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:40,920
Like you said, and like you 
said, with a cross season of 

640
00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:43,520
persecution, I think he'd be 
like, what is this? 

641
00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:47,160
Why are we condemning everyone 
when we struggle with this? 

642
00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:50,200
And why are we not helping more?
Because that's me. 

643
00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:53,000
You're not helping. 
I think that, like you said, a 

644
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:55,720
lot of people just don't give. 
And when they do, it's not a 

645
00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:58,000
cheerful heart. 
So it's I mean it's great for 

646
00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:01,160
them, but I think that he would 
talk about that. 

647
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:04,680
What do you guys think? 
That's a good, that's a good 

648
00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:05,960
question. 
That's a great question. 

649
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:07,240
I don't think we've received 
that one. 

650
00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:09,320
Jesus said blessed are the 
peacemakers. 

651
00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:12,400
So I think Jesus would take a 
strong stand against all the 

652
00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:16,840
violence in the world today, be 
it bullying, be it divorce, be 

653
00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:19,920
it war, be it racism, be it 
sexism. 

654
00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:24,480
He was a man of peace and he 
said blessed are those who are 

655
00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:27,600
peacemakers. 
Secondly, he was a man who 

656
00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:31,400
really loved, and that has 
nothing to do with the love in 

657
00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:33,800
our culture today, which is a 
feeling that you fall into and 

658
00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:36,040
out of. 
Instead, it's a commitment to 

659
00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:39,560
work for the well-being of the 
other person, which means even 

660
00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:43,200
when you are a difficult person,
even if you're my enemy, I'm 

661
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:46,080
going to work for your success, 
for your well-being. 

662
00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:51,040
And so we would, I am convinced,
really call people out to really

663
00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:53,960
love. 
Not a sloppy, sentimental 

664
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:58,800
feeling, but a real decision of 
the will to work for the good of

665
00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:01,120
others. 
Thirdly, I think he would also 

666
00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:04,080
point out to the reality of 
eternity. 

667
00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:07,400
We live in a very materialistic 
culture. 

668
00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:09,560
That does not simply mean we 
live from money. 

669
00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:14,040
It means we've reduced reality 
to what you can see, feel, 

670
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:17,360
touch, handle. 
No, there's a lot more to 

671
00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:20,080
reality than that. 
Like love and justice, like 

672
00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:23,760
forgiveness and compassion. 
And there's eternity out there. 

673
00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:27,760
Eternal life in heaven. 
And I think Christ was 

674
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:31,560
unashamedly clear with people 
that they will either spend 

675
00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:34,200
eternity with him in heaven or 
separate from him in hell. 

676
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:37,880
So I think peacemaking, love, 
and heaven would be 3 of the 

677
00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:40,520
quick main topics that Christ 
would point to. 

678
00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:43,160
And he'd be obviously bold about
it. 

679
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:46,800
And that's where some people get
confused with the whole thou 

680
00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:49,200
shalt not judge thing, which I 
know you guys here religiously 

681
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:53,040
and I do as well. 
But there's a difference between

682
00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:55,320
being nice and being kind. 
Because obviously being nice is 

683
00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:58,640
sparing feelings, but being kind
is what Jesus was. 

684
00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:01,440
And there's a reason he was 
crucified, because people didn't

685
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:03,400
like that. 
They didn't like the, the, the 

686
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:05,240
truth. 
They didn't like the boldness. 

687
00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:08,040
Like you said, he'd come out 
here and point out those things 

688
00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:12,320
legitimately and quickly. 
And he's a, he talked about hell

689
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:14,800
more than anybody in the Bible. 
And that's not something that we

690
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:18,080
should fear to follow him, but 
that's something he saved us 

691
00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:19,760
from. 
It's important to know what he's

692
00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:23,120
saving us from and how bad sin 
is in order to understand how 

693
00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:26,239
great his blood is. 
So that's a great answer. 

694
00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:28,080
I love that answer. 
I think that he would do that as

695
00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:29,400
well. 
What do you think, Stuart? 

696
00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:32,040
Value of human life. 
I don't know if you guys saw 

697
00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:35,120
this week, but in the 
Netherlands a 16 year old boy 

698
00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:37,400
was euthanized over his 
depression. 

699
00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:42,320
So he literally was allowed and 
basically encouraged by doctors 

700
00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:45,760
to kill himself because he has 
strong depression. 

701
00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:49,679
And I don't think we're too far 
from that here in the USI really

702
00:34:49,679 --> 00:34:51,520
don't. 
I think if you guys saw this 

703
00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:57,520
week, 30% of Jen's ears say that
political violence is completely

704
00:34:57,520 --> 00:34:59,920
fine. 
Almost 30%. 

705
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:04,960
That's terrifying to me. 
I think the statistic almost. 

706
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:07,840
Yeah, again, 30% of human 
beings. 

707
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:12,160
I know, I know it's comedic, but
it's sickly comedic. 30% of 

708
00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:15,080
human beings in the US. 
Americans say that they would 

709
00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:18,720
save their dog's life over a 
stranger. 

710
00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:22,840
All right, Human life, right 
Value of so being created in the

711
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:29,520
image of God is being swept away
slowly, but it is going and when

712
00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:32,680
it comes to value of life, I 
truly believe and I have friends

713
00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:36,120
I think are are totally fine 
looking across the political 

714
00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:39,480
aisle. 
And if one person or many across

715
00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:41,800
the political aisle got 
seriously injured, if not 

716
00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:46,160
killed, they would be totally 
fine with that because they've 

717
00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:49,160
lifted their political 
ideologies to the point of 

718
00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:52,360
saying this is God, we're 
deifying this. 

719
00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:57,080
And if you are trying to 
destroy, my God, I want to 

720
00:35:57,080 --> 00:35:59,840
destroy you or I want something 
or someone to destroy you. 

721
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:01,400
And then it just filters down, 
right? 

722
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:05,640
Whether it's euthanasia, whether
it's abortion, the list goes on 

723
00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:06,160
and on. 
So. 

724
00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:08,160
If you're manipulating the 
suicide. 

725
00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:09,960
Exactly. 
Then all of a sudden, like 

726
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:12,480
literally one quick story, when 
we were at Texas State, I had a 

727
00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:16,960
group of about 8 to 10, I guess 
I'll out them BLM ers at the 

728
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:20,360
time come and say this same one.
They said, Stewart. 

729
00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:23,840
We've seen recent television 
shows talking about how personal

730
00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:28,320
freedom and autonomy is the way 
to go with a typical American. 

731
00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:33,480
And so if I decide that it's 
cool to kill myself or encourage

732
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:37,360
somebody else to kill themselves
if they're very depressed, then 

733
00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:39,800
that's great. 
Because just like politics, 

734
00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:43,960
personal autonomy or freedom is 
the one thing that we worship 

735
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:46,120
here in the US. 
It's individualism. 

736
00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:48,960
It's about my personal freedom 
and to allow them. 

737
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:51,480
And we we had this discussion 
for like 45 minutes. 

738
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:53,920
And eventually I think it was 
the Holy Spirit. 

739
00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:56,600
It was not my own might. 
They came around to saying, all 

740
00:36:56,600 --> 00:36:59,800
right, yeah, we we probably 
should protect human life, even 

741
00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:01,160
somebody who's depressed wanting
to kill them. 

742
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:05,000
So it's worse that one step away
from it, I really think. 

743
00:37:05,720 --> 00:37:08,920
It is so desensitized today. 
It's, it's literally 

744
00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:12,640
jaw-dropping the way people 
people speak about, like you 

745
00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:15,000
said, animals in human life, the
difference. 

746
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:19,960
And I've met so many people that
would save a dog in distress or 

747
00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:22,040
life threatening situation over 
a human. 

748
00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:25,720
And it's, it's sad. 
And then when you said about the

749
00:37:25,720 --> 00:37:29,600
30% the, about the political 
violence, what happened with 

750
00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:33,080
David and saw it, like David 
mourned, his heart broke when, 

751
00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:35,480
when leaders were killed, he 
respected leaders. 

752
00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:36,680
And that's what God's called us 
to do. 

753
00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:39,960
And even if you don't like them,
these people are put in place 

754
00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:41,920
right now to help us in some 
sort of way. 

755
00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:45,640
But we need to pray for them. 
And we shouldn't allow like the 

756
00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:48,480
whole Charlie Kirk thing. 
People were celebrating making 

757
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:51,240
Halloween costumes and all these
things. 

758
00:37:51,240 --> 00:37:55,920
And like you said, that's just 
shocking to me. 30%, Dang, 

759
00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:59,000
that's, that's incredible in a 
bad way. 

760
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:02,040
But I think that's a great 
answer. 

761
00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:06,880
But let's go on to the next one,
but we'll ask a couple more. 

762
00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:10,920
Here's a question that I've 
specifically I want to answer to

763
00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:13,520
on both. 
But I know you've probably been 

764
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:16,280
asked this before, but this is 
something I get asked a lot from

765
00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:17,720
from and I don't really know how
to answer it. 

766
00:38:17,720 --> 00:38:21,480
I know what scripture says, but 
is hell burning? 

767
00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:27,200
And not only that, but will you 
remember and be in living 

768
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:29,240
regret? 
That's like, I know scripture 

769
00:38:29,240 --> 00:38:31,920
talks about it and especially 
with who was it that was in 

770
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:35,840
Sheol and and said that they 
looked up and saw. 

771
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:39,160
And so people under this 
impression, I just want to know,

772
00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:41,280
is it just what do you guys 
think? 

773
00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:44,200
Because when describing it to 
other people, everyone just 

774
00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:47,640
thinks it's just burning thing. 
And I think it's some symbolism.

775
00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:50,080
So I didn't know what you guys 
thought. 

776
00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:53,600
Instead of burning, I think it's
just this intense feeling of 

777
00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:56,000
being separated from anything 
good. 

778
00:38:58,720 --> 00:38:59,920
Yeah. 
The Bible. 

779
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:03,560
The Bible does not, does not 
answer the question exactly what

780
00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:06,120
is hell going to be like? 
The same way the Bible does not 

781
00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:08,840
exactly answer the question, 
what is heaven going to be like?

782
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:13,120
Neither a photograph of heaven 
nor a photograph of hell is 

783
00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:15,920
given us in the Bible. 
And that's one of the things 

784
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:20,680
that frustrates me about certain
friends of mine who are more 

785
00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:23,520
than willing to give you a 
photograph of heaven and a 

786
00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:26,080
photograph of hell. 
I think that is adding to the 

787
00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:29,080
text. 
In the New Testament, Christ 

788
00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:36,760
calls hell fire. 
He also calls it outer darkness.

789
00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:40,320
So how do you have both outer 
darkness and fire? 

790
00:39:40,720 --> 00:39:42,680
I think he's obviously speaking 
symbolically. 

791
00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:46,840
Metaphorically, he talks about 
hell as depart from me. 

792
00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:49,080
You practice lawlessness. 
Yeah. 

793
00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:53,400
That's separation from God. 
I think that's pretty easy to 

794
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:55,200
understand. 
You're just separated from him. 

795
00:39:56,360 --> 00:39:59,520
In Matthew 10, he says do not be
afraid of the one who kills the 

796
00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:01,960
body but not the soul. 
Rather be afraid of the one who 

797
00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:05,120
can destroy both soul and body 
in hell. 

798
00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:09,120
I think we have to be careful 
with the parable in Luke 16 of 

799
00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:11,800
the rich man and Lazarus. 
I think there are some very 

800
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:15,800
clear points, but once again, 
he's not giving us a crystal 

801
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:20,200
clear picture of hell or heaven 
being in Abraham's bosom. 

802
00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:24,080
I think in heaven we clearly. 
Understand that there will be no

803
00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:26,080
more evil, no more suffering, no
more pain. 

804
00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:28,520
I think Paul bends over 
backwards to communicate. 

805
00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:31,280
In First Corinthians 15 we will 
have new resurrection bodies. 

806
00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:34,520
And in John 14, Jesus says, let 
not your hearts be troubled. 

807
00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:37,720
You believe in God, believe also
in me, in my father's house or 

808
00:40:37,720 --> 00:40:39,280
many rooms. 
If we're not so I would have 

809
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:42,560
told you, I go to prepare a 
place for you, which means 

810
00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:45,960
heaven is not a disembodied 
existence throughout eternity 

811
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:48,160
where spirits floating around. 
You know we will have a 

812
00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:52,240
resurrection body, so there will
be a physical dimension to 

813
00:40:52,240 --> 00:40:54,280
heaven. 
The Bible talks about a new 

814
00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:58,600
heaven and a new earth, so it'll
include both heaven and earth. 

815
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:02,720
Exactly what hell will be like, 
I don't know, but I can promise 

816
00:41:02,720 --> 00:41:05,480
you Jesus hated the thought of 
anybody going to hell so 

817
00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:09,440
intensely that he went through 
the hell of a cross to barricade

818
00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:12,960
our path to hell to instead give
us eternal life in heaven. 

819
00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:15,840
Love that point and I love 
honestly how you talked about 

820
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:19,880
how it's, he doesn't mention 
specifically exactly what it's 

821
00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:23,120
like, maybe because he just 
wants us to focus on him. 

822
00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:26,480
And like, all you need to know 
is it's abyss, it's away from 

823
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:27,920
God. 
So if we know it's away from 

824
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:31,840
God, then what comes from God? 
Like we said, Lovejoy, peace, 

825
00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:34,120
goodness, those feelings that 
everyone gets, no matter if 

826
00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:36,000
you're an atheist or not, you 
get those feelings. 

827
00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:38,160
That's all gone. 
So I think that it's just going 

828
00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:42,040
to be this intense thing that I 
don't want to be a part of. 

829
00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:45,360
So I'm very grateful for Jesus 
and saving us from that. 

830
00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:49,160
But I just wanted to touch on 
that just for a second because I

831
00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:50,920
honestly don't know how to 
answer that question. 

832
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:52,840
And that's a good way to to 
answer that. 

833
00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:59,240
But what do you think, Stewart? 
I'm just. 97% of Americans think

834
00:41:59,240 --> 00:42:02,280
that they're going to heaven, so
3% think they're going. 

835
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:04,280
Statistics are just blowing my 
mind. 

836
00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:08,720
It's just that idea of hell is 
being swept now under the rug. 

837
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:12,440
And yet how interesting we have 
so many social activist groups 

838
00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:16,680
who are so into justice. 
They don't believe in hell, but 

839
00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:20,280
they believe strongly in justice
and getting justice for 

840
00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:22,000
themselves, really and the 
oppressed. 

841
00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:26,480
So it's a real contradiction, I 
see. 

842
00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:29,080
I see the contradiction in a lot
of these world views that they 

843
00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:30,480
have. 
That's the first point. 

844
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:33,200
The second point would be, yeah,
the worm does not die. 

845
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:37,320
Kirk Cameron, we're going to be 
on his podcast this summer. 

846
00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:40,240
He just went wildly viral. 
I don't know if you guys saw 

847
00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:42,160
that. 
I love that guy, but no, I 

848
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:44,800
didn't see that. 
Wildly viral I saw on social 

849
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:49,440
media for saying that hell is 
not eternal. 

850
00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:53,800
And basically the reason why 
people were so upset with him 

851
00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:57,360
was because they're saying what 
you're doing is you're, you're 

852
00:42:57,360 --> 00:43:01,760
emptying out kind of what Christ
did for us by being an 

853
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:05,120
annihilationist. 
Because if you look at hell as 

854
00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:08,720
eternal, then you're saying, 
hey, sin is the equivalent of 

855
00:43:08,720 --> 00:43:12,560
death and Jesus died in the 
worst imaginable way for us. 

856
00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:16,960
So if you just say up hell is 
annihilation so quickly, then it

857
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:20,320
it doesn't take sin seriously. 
So that's why he got so heavily 

858
00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:23,480
critiqued. 
I don't critique him like that. 

859
00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:26,040
I wouldn't say that, even though
I would slightly disagree. 

860
00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:29,400
I'm kind of where you are. 
I would add a great illustration

861
00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:33,520
to CS Lewis when he says that 
hell is a grumbling mood that 

862
00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:35,880
starts and then it becomes 
eternal. 

863
00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:40,200
And what hell is, is you lose 
your ability to know that you 

864
00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:44,320
are grumbling and being so 
extremely negative, so you lose 

865
00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:46,520
your identity. 
Kind of like the rich man in 

866
00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:47,680
Luke 16. 
He lost his. 

867
00:43:47,720 --> 00:43:49,480
Identity. 
To grump Exactly. 

868
00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:52,320
You just keep grumbling and you,
you forget, you don't even 

869
00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:56,680
realize that you are grumbling. 
So I see this with a lot of 

870
00:43:56,880 --> 00:43:59,800
mental health folks, you know, 
people who are borderline, for 

871
00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:03,920
example, they've lost the 
ability to know how strongly 

872
00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:09,120
they are critiquing or how they 
are coming off or how they have 

873
00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:12,760
even the ability to grapple with
evil. 

874
00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:14,280
They don't have the ability to 
grapple with evil. 

875
00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:17,800
And so I think I don't, I don't 
mean to say that they're going 

876
00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:20,800
to hell, but I think you get a 
little, little taste of hell in 

877
00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:22,640
there. 
I, I do, I see it in the mental 

878
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:25,080
health realm. 
And Scott Peck wrote that book, 

879
00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:28,440
People the Lie, incredible 
therapist, psychotherapist, and 

880
00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:29,880
he talks a lot about that in 
that book. 

881
00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:33,360
And so hell for me is that 
grumbling mood throughout 

882
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:36,320
eternity. 
Luke 16, the rich man, he's lost

883
00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:40,200
his identity simply in wealth. 
So you lose yourself, and it's 

884
00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:42,440
because you worship something 
other than God here on this 

885
00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:44,880
planet. 
That's a that's a great point. 

886
00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:48,560
And when you say the grumbling, 
that reminds me of my personal 

887
00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:51,520
best description of hell is the 
weeping and gnashing of teeth. 

888
00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:55,800
So what is that? 
I think in my belief that you'll

889
00:44:55,800 --> 00:45:00,120
be, they'll be tears, they'll be
great sorrow and the gnashing of

890
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:01,360
teeth. 
What is that anger? 

891
00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:04,360
I think, I think it's where did 
you put me here? 

892
00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:06,520
Gnashing your teeth, clenching 
it 'cause that's what it was 

893
00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:09,000
translated to back in the day. 
And I think that it's just going

894
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:13,240
to be so intense of sadness and 
anger and confusion. 

895
00:45:13,240 --> 00:45:15,840
And I think that in my opinion, 
in my belief that that's why he 

896
00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:17,520
said weeping and gnashing of 
teeth. 

897
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:20,560
But let's move on from that, 
listeners. 

898
00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:22,920
I just think that that that was 
something that maybe a lot of 

899
00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:26,000
people are curious about, but 
maybe we'll go to one or two 

900
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:28,200
more and then I'm going to go 
through some quick speed round 

901
00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:29,520
questions that I think will be 
fun. 

902
00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:34,320
So how do you feel about all 
your impressions people are 

903
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:36,240
doing about you? 
You may not know. 

904
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:38,560
I showed you a couple. 
Do you know them? 

905
00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:45,400
I they're so. 
Make it very strong point that 

906
00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:47,120
I'm not going to watch that 
stuff about me. 

907
00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:50,840
It doesn't help me think about 
myself too much. 

908
00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:55,280
So I, I I ignore him, Yeah. 
OK, that's that's a respectful 

909
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:56,840
answer. 
He didn't like getting hit by a 

910
00:45:56,840 --> 00:45:59,920
car in one of them, Yeah. 
You told me about that. 

911
00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:01,960
Didn't I show you that one? 
No. 

912
00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:03,840
People go nuts. 
I did show you that one. 

913
00:46:03,840 --> 00:46:07,280
Hilarious people. 
People go people go nuts over 

914
00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:09,160
anything Cliff and that's why I 
was wondering. 

915
00:46:09,160 --> 00:46:12,560
I was but but like, I'm not 
going to lie, I've chuckled. 

916
00:46:13,040 --> 00:46:15,520
Sorry, Cliff, I've I've lied 
this sort of like there was one 

917
00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:19,280
where it's just like the poses 
are just legendary from you guys

918
00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:22,480
and like every time I see those,
it's just like reminds me of 

919
00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:23,760
Cliff. 
Just love it, man. 

920
00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:26,400
And it, you know, some people 
are in the comments saying don't

921
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:28,280
disrespect Cliff. 
And I think that a lot of times 

922
00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:30,680
people get that confused. 
I at least when I look at it, 

923
00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:32,920
it's no disrespect anything. 
It's respect. 

924
00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:36,560
I respect him and his and his 
influence on people and even in 

925
00:46:36,560 --> 00:46:38,960
the comedic way, I think a lot 
of people just need some humor 

926
00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:40,680
sometimes and you bet. 
And. 

927
00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:44,600
Well, Stewart does a great job 
of handling our social media and

928
00:46:44,600 --> 00:46:47,840
I am totally ignorant of it all 
except what Stewart tells me and

929
00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:50,000
shows me. 
I I don't have enough time to 

930
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:52,440
watch all that stuff. 
I have started occasionally 

931
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:54,920
looking at what's being posted, 
but I don't even listen to the 

932
00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:57,240
whole thing. 
I just make sure it's it's 

933
00:46:57,240 --> 00:47:00,600
decent and right. 
It's sad the way AI can be used 

934
00:47:00,640 --> 00:47:03,000
to totally misrepresent. 
I mean, Stuart, didn't you tell 

935
00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:05,720
me that once? 
Someone pictured me asking for 

936
00:47:05,720 --> 00:47:07,680
money and I actually. 
Said Oh yeah, I forgot about 

937
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:10,760
that with AII. 
Have never asked for money once 

938
00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:13,360
on any of these programs and 
that someone would put that in 

939
00:47:13,360 --> 00:47:17,000
my mouth is frustrating. 
And one before Trump was 

940
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:22,200
elected. 1 was promoting our 
political position, supposedly, 

941
00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:24,200
even though they didn't know our
political position and it was a 

942
00:47:24,240 --> 00:47:26,400
huge account. 
So you're right, it can be, 

943
00:47:26,600 --> 00:47:29,040
yeah. 
That that's that's frustrating. 

944
00:47:29,040 --> 00:47:30,200
And I've had stuff like that 
too. 

945
00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:33,360
And obviously as someone who's 
trying to influence a lot of 

946
00:47:33,360 --> 00:47:35,440
people, there's that fear in the
mind with AI all the night. 

947
00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:37,720
It's just like, what are people 
going to do with, with me in my 

948
00:47:37,720 --> 00:47:39,600
face? 
And I can't even put a picture 

949
00:47:39,600 --> 00:47:42,840
of my son on the Internet. 
And it sucks because it's just, 

950
00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:45,800
there's so many creeps out there
who, who use these images and in

951
00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:49,400
these horrible, evil ways. 
And I know what you mean by 

952
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:50,600
that. 
And like, people do impressions 

953
00:47:50,600 --> 00:47:52,600
of me as well. 
I, I tend to just not watch them

954
00:47:52,600 --> 00:47:54,840
either. 
And it's with reaction videos 

955
00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:57,800
where people call me out for 
false doctrine and stuff like 

956
00:47:57,800 --> 00:47:58,880
that. 
I'm open to what they have to 

957
00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:01,640
say, but a lot of times I'm just
like, OK, like, like I'm not 

958
00:48:01,640 --> 00:48:04,400
even going to entertain that 
you're going to get me worked up

959
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:07,840
for no reason. 
So I, I just have always 

960
00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:10,200
wondered how you feel about 
that. 

961
00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:14,600
But thanks for answering that. 
But OK, let me ask you one more 

962
00:48:14,600 --> 00:48:16,320
question. 
Let me think of a good one. 

963
00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:23,040
Here's a good one. 
Why should someone in 2026 

964
00:48:23,720 --> 00:48:26,880
believe in Jesus? 
Not historically, personally, 

965
00:48:27,160 --> 00:48:28,480
why? 
Why? 

966
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:31,160
If someone's in front of an 
atheist or somebody who's strong

967
00:48:31,160 --> 00:48:34,200
with it, why? 
Why should I follow Jesus but 

968
00:48:34,200 --> 00:48:36,240
not in historical context? 
What do you think? 

969
00:48:36,240 --> 00:48:39,440
Personally, What would you say? 
Because we live in a therapeutic

970
00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:45,480
age where people want God 
firstly to be their therapist. 

971
00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:48,120
And obviously in the Old 
Testament, multiple times, God 

972
00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:52,400
is called the Great Counselor, 
so they have it partly right. 

973
00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:54,160
Isaiah, a wonderful counselor. 
Exactly. 

974
00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:58,240
So I take that and just like 
Paul the Areopagus saying I see 

975
00:48:58,240 --> 00:49:00,800
you're very religious now I'm 
going to show why the gospel is 

976
00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:03,640
better though, but connected to 
this religiosity. 

977
00:49:03,640 --> 00:49:05,320
But I'm going to show how the 
gospel is better, specifically 

978
00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:09,000
the resurrection. 
I think for me, looking at Jesus

979
00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:12,240
in this therapeutic age now in 
2026 is we're going to say, 

980
00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:15,640
yeah, you're right. 
God is a therapist in a way. 

981
00:49:16,080 --> 00:49:19,640
Now he's also holy. 
He's also very much so against 

982
00:49:19,640 --> 00:49:21,160
sin. 
And he also, he's also a God of 

983
00:49:21,160 --> 00:49:23,680
justice. 
But I like from my mental health

984
00:49:23,680 --> 00:49:28,400
kind of psychotherapeutic 
approach is I go at it and say, 

985
00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:30,520
hey, look, another stat is 
someone struggling with 

986
00:49:30,520 --> 00:49:32,920
depression. 
If they're introduced to Christ,

987
00:49:33,080 --> 00:49:36,120
there's a 40% chance that 
they'll get much better when it 

988
00:49:36,120 --> 00:49:38,440
comes to their depression. 
I think that's because you look 

989
00:49:38,440 --> 00:49:41,320
at prayer, you look at the 
personal intimacy of Christ, you

990
00:49:41,320 --> 00:49:44,480
look at how Jesus is a suffering
Savior is meeting you in your 

991
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:48,000
suffering and pain, whether it's
OCD, bipolar, whether it's your 

992
00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:49,920
parents have been divorced, you 
name it. 

993
00:49:50,680 --> 00:49:55,840
And so that type of connection 
of a personal God is so much 

994
00:49:55,840 --> 00:50:02,040
stronger than any type of aloof 
deism or any type of moral 

995
00:50:02,040 --> 00:50:04,640
principles that you see in other
religions where you have to 

996
00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:06,720
work, work, work. 
And I was in with an Uber driver

997
00:50:06,960 --> 00:50:09,480
who was a Muslim not too long 
ago, and he was literally 

998
00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:14,720
sweating, talking about 
paradise, shaking because he 

999
00:50:14,720 --> 00:50:18,080
doesn't know if he's going to 
get in versus this personal 

1000
00:50:18,080 --> 00:50:20,000
savior who's saying, no, you 
don't have to have salvation 

1001
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:22,680
anxiety, just fall upon my grace
and get to know me. 

1002
00:50:23,360 --> 00:50:27,160
And so in 2026, I think we see 
the revival, the great surge, 

1003
00:50:27,360 --> 00:50:31,920
partly because there's a meeting
crisis, there's evil out there, 

1004
00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:34,640
and there's great instability 
and anxiety. 

1005
00:50:35,240 --> 00:50:37,440
And so for me, introducing 
people to Christ, when I have 

1006
00:50:37,720 --> 00:50:41,880
say, some women come and just 
say thank you and their tears 

1007
00:50:41,880 --> 00:50:44,640
are flowing, it's not because 
anything I've done, it's because

1008
00:50:44,640 --> 00:50:47,160
you've introduced them to Christ
and he's their ultimate 

1009
00:50:47,160 --> 00:50:49,760
therapist. 
It's not just a pill, even 

1010
00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:51,320
though pills are often times 
necessary. 

1011
00:50:51,320 --> 00:50:54,480
It's not just a therapist, it's 
not just even loved ones. 

1012
00:50:54,920 --> 00:50:57,840
It's no you meet Christ and 
you're meeting a personal Savior

1013
00:50:58,160 --> 00:51:01,080
who is going to pull you outside
of yourself because so much of 

1014
00:51:01,080 --> 00:51:03,280
us in this day and age is 
looking inside of ourselves. 

1015
00:51:03,640 --> 00:51:05,640
You know how often do you see a 
TikTok saying this is the way to

1016
00:51:05,640 --> 00:51:07,400
happiness? 
You only have so many years to 

1017
00:51:07,400 --> 00:51:08,480
live. 
You got to find your own 

1018
00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:11,600
personal happiness versus Jesus 
saying no, you want personal 

1019
00:51:11,600 --> 00:51:13,920
happiness. 
Look outward to help people and 

1020
00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:16,640
look upward to meet me. 
That's a good answer, man. 

1021
00:51:16,680 --> 00:51:21,400
And there's a lot of people they
and I guess what I would say to 

1022
00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:25,120
add on to that is everyone's 
looking for love, Everyone's 

1023
00:51:25,120 --> 00:51:27,880
looking for joy. 
Everyone, you, you are ignorant,

1024
00:51:27,880 --> 00:51:30,160
fool, if you're going to deny 
that everyone is looking for 

1025
00:51:30,160 --> 00:51:31,160
love, Everyone's looking for 
joy. 

1026
00:51:31,560 --> 00:51:34,640
We know from Scripture that God 
is love, God is joy. 

1027
00:51:34,640 --> 00:51:38,320
So the only way I would say if 
you're looking to get past that 

1028
00:51:38,320 --> 00:51:40,240
anxiety, that depression, that 
it's just weighing you down 

1029
00:51:40,240 --> 00:51:42,160
every day, you don't wake up 
with motivation, it's gone. 

1030
00:51:42,960 --> 00:51:46,280
Jesus, you wake up, say one 
prayer, you'd be surprised the 

1031
00:51:46,280 --> 00:51:48,560
peace that comes in. 
And a lot of people don't want 

1032
00:51:48,560 --> 00:51:49,640
to go to him because they're 
ashamed. 

1033
00:51:50,160 --> 00:51:52,120
And it's like, Nah, he's not 
going to help me with this. 

1034
00:51:52,120 --> 00:51:54,520
I got to figure this out on my 
own so I can look good for him 

1035
00:51:54,520 --> 00:51:56,920
before I pray to him. 
And that's the opposite of what 

1036
00:51:56,920 --> 00:51:59,400
we need to do. 
Go to him in the dirtiness, in 

1037
00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:01,080
the mess. 
And that's what he loves. 

1038
00:52:01,240 --> 00:52:02,920
He didn't come to heal perfect 
people. 

1039
00:52:02,920 --> 00:52:05,520
You don't go to church because 
you're perfect. 

1040
00:52:05,720 --> 00:52:07,320
Why? 
Because you need healing. 

1041
00:52:08,200 --> 00:52:11,040
So I think people need to be 
willing to admit what they're 

1042
00:52:11,040 --> 00:52:14,240
struggling with in order to find
that hole in their heart they're

1043
00:52:14,240 --> 00:52:17,280
trying to fill. 
And a lot of times it is as 

1044
00:52:17,280 --> 00:52:20,960
simple as a quick prayer that 
starts and opens that door. 

1045
00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:24,560
Because God's like, oh, hey 
guys, He's finally, finally, you

1046
00:52:24,560 --> 00:52:26,120
know what I mean? 
It's just like, finally, come 

1047
00:52:26,120 --> 00:52:30,240
on, come on. 
So what would you say, Cliff, in

1048
00:52:30,240 --> 00:52:33,560
2026? 
Jesus is a personal God who 

1049
00:52:33,560 --> 00:52:36,640
wants a personal relationship in
the here and the now with us. 

1050
00:52:36,640 --> 00:52:39,160
In John 635, Jesus says I'm the 
bread of life. 

1051
00:52:39,440 --> 00:52:42,160
In other words, I want to 
sustain you from the inside 

1052
00:52:42,560 --> 00:52:45,440
sustenance. 
In John 812, he says I'm the 

1053
00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:47,160
light of the world. 
Whoever follows me will never 

1054
00:52:47,160 --> 00:52:49,040
walk in darkness, but we'll have
the light of life. 

1055
00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:51,640
In other words, there's a lot of
darkness around, a lot of 

1056
00:52:51,640 --> 00:52:53,760
confusion around, a lot of 
uncertainty. 

1057
00:52:54,120 --> 00:52:56,480
I'm the light of the world. 
Let me like your life. 

1058
00:52:56,760 --> 00:53:00,480
Let me lead you. 
And then in John 10, verses 7 

1059
00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:03,080
and 9, he says I am the door. 
Whoever enters through me shall 

1060
00:53:03,080 --> 00:53:07,160
be saved. 
Salvation, rescue is found right

1061
00:53:07,160 --> 00:53:10,400
now in Jesus Christ. 
And then in John 1011, Jesus 

1062
00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:13,440
says I am the Good Shepherd. 
I am the Good Shepherd. 

1063
00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:15,600
The Good Shepherd lays down his 
life for the sheep. 

1064
00:53:15,760 --> 00:53:19,800
He has a sacrificial love for 
you and for me right here, right

1065
00:53:19,800 --> 00:53:24,200
now in a personal way. 
And then in John 1125, he says I

1066
00:53:24,200 --> 00:53:27,880
am the resurrection and the life
and death is going to hit every 

1067
00:53:27,880 --> 00:53:30,840
single one of us. 
And Jesus promises eternal life 

1068
00:53:30,840 --> 00:53:34,000
to all who trust in him. 
Now that's incredibly relevant, 

1069
00:53:34,240 --> 00:53:38,440
incredibly personal for us as 
living personal beings. 

1070
00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:41,760
And then in John 14, six, he 
says I am the way, the truth and

1071
00:53:41,760 --> 00:53:43,000
the life. 
You and I don't want to follow 

1072
00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:45,520
lies. 
We don't want to be hoodwinked, 

1073
00:53:45,680 --> 00:53:48,200
we don't want to be brainwashed.
We want the truth. 

1074
00:53:48,600 --> 00:53:51,560
Well, Jesus says I am the truth.
Come to me and I will satisfy 

1075
00:53:51,560 --> 00:53:52,960
you with truth. 
I love that point. 

1076
00:53:53,080 --> 00:53:55,960
And then in John 15 one he says 
I am the line, you are the 

1077
00:53:55,960 --> 00:53:58,320
branches. 
In other words, you better stay 

1078
00:53:58,320 --> 00:54:00,400
connected to me. 
Well, that's personal 

1079
00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:04,480
connection, personal connection,
not alienation connection, 

1080
00:54:04,520 --> 00:54:06,440
right? 
Very personal God. 

1081
00:54:06,800 --> 00:54:10,040
And then to cap it all off, in 
John 858 he says before Abraham 

1082
00:54:10,040 --> 00:54:13,320
was born, I am. 
In other words, I am the eternal

1083
00:54:13,320 --> 00:54:16,280
God who was around long before 
you were born and who will be 

1084
00:54:16,280 --> 00:54:18,880
around forever. 
Do you want eternal life? 

1085
00:54:19,200 --> 00:54:22,320
You know you do because God has 
said eternity in your hearts. 

1086
00:54:22,600 --> 00:54:24,600
So come to me for I am the 
eternal God. 

1087
00:54:24,600 --> 00:54:28,480
So that's the personal nature of
Christ is expressed so clearly 

1088
00:54:28,480 --> 00:54:30,760
in all those I am statements in 
the Gospel of John. 

1089
00:54:31,200 --> 00:54:34,520
I love that, I love that, and 
especially with the truth part 

1090
00:54:34,520 --> 00:54:38,120
because you're right, people are
searching for truth and He is 

1091
00:54:38,120 --> 00:54:41,040
the truth. 
So literally, if you're looking 

1092
00:54:41,040 --> 00:54:44,320
for the answers, people think 
they have to dig in the Bible 

1093
00:54:44,320 --> 00:54:47,200
and understand it all before, 
but literally just close your 

1094
00:54:47,200 --> 00:54:51,960
eyes and talk to Him and that 
will open the door to him to 

1095
00:54:51,960 --> 00:54:54,040
work because he's like, OK, 
there's a little bit of desire 

1096
00:54:54,040 --> 00:54:55,560
there. 
I'm going to plant a seed in 

1097
00:54:55,560 --> 00:54:56,920
him. 
Maybe I'll send this person his 

1098
00:54:56,920 --> 00:54:58,880
way and, and give him some 
encouragement. 

1099
00:54:58,880 --> 00:55:01,320
Maybe I'll he's at a point where
I know he'll respond to this 

1100
00:55:01,320 --> 00:55:03,680
conviction. 
Like, we don't know what's going

1101
00:55:03,680 --> 00:55:05,400
on. 
But if you seek him, that's when

1102
00:55:05,400 --> 00:55:08,120
he works more and more because a
sin is what separates us. 

1103
00:55:08,480 --> 00:55:11,240
So if you were conscious of 
that, you're closer to him. 

1104
00:55:11,240 --> 00:55:13,000
And he tells us in Psalms, your 
hands are dirty. 

1105
00:55:13,000 --> 00:55:13,960
I'm not going to hear your 
prayers. 

1106
00:55:14,480 --> 00:55:16,800
And I think a lot of times we 
hide all this unconfessed sin 

1107
00:55:17,040 --> 00:55:18,680
and we wonder why God doesn't 
feel close. 

1108
00:55:19,480 --> 00:55:22,600
And I think that that's a great 
mentality to have, especially in

1109
00:55:22,600 --> 00:55:24,280
2026. 
I love those answers, y'all. 

1110
00:55:24,600 --> 00:55:26,720
But you know, I told you we were
going to get the hard questions.

1111
00:55:26,720 --> 00:55:29,320
I told you we would. 
And you know, now we're going to

1112
00:55:29,920 --> 00:55:32,640
now we're going to lighten up 
just for the last minute and 

1113
00:55:32,640 --> 00:55:34,200
we're going to do a little speed
round of questions. 

1114
00:55:34,240 --> 00:55:37,480
I'm just curious. 
So both of y'all answer coffee 

1115
00:55:37,480 --> 00:55:39,720
or tea? 
Tea. 

1116
00:55:40,080 --> 00:55:41,840
Coffee. 
I know your answer. 

1117
00:55:41,960 --> 00:55:44,360
Yeah, we had a couple cups 
before this tea. 

1118
00:55:44,360 --> 00:55:45,240
Love it. 
Love it. 

1119
00:55:45,320 --> 00:55:48,760
OK Early bird or night owl do 
you get up early or do you like 

1120
00:55:48,760 --> 00:55:50,000
stay up later and sleep? 
Both. 

1121
00:55:50,480 --> 00:55:52,320
Yeah, both. 
Yeah, sometimes you guys can't 

1122
00:55:52,320 --> 00:55:52,760
help it. 
It's. 

1123
00:55:53,160 --> 00:55:54,880
True. 
Yeah, a lot of young dad. 

1124
00:55:55,000 --> 00:55:57,240
So a night owl. 
Yeah, yeah, you're a night owl 

1125
00:55:57,240 --> 00:55:58,360
too. 
I I have to be? 

1126
00:55:58,560 --> 00:56:00,080
So I get up at 4:00 AM every 
morning. 

1127
00:56:00,280 --> 00:56:02,360
Do you really every morning? 
What? 

1128
00:56:02,480 --> 00:56:09,200
Time you go to bed at. 9-10 But 
I was so inspired by how Jesus 

1129
00:56:09,200 --> 00:56:12,200
got up before the sunset, 
because that's the best time to 

1130
00:56:12,200 --> 00:56:13,400
spend time with God. 
It's so quiet. 

1131
00:56:13,560 --> 00:56:16,640
There's nothing that's right. 
And when you get up early before

1132
00:56:16,640 --> 00:56:19,360
the sunset happens, it's 
literally you don't even hear 

1133
00:56:19,360 --> 00:56:20,920
the world sometimes. 
Like if you think about God, 

1134
00:56:20,920 --> 00:56:21,960
it's just like, OK, it's you and
me. 

1135
00:56:21,960 --> 00:56:23,720
OK, what are what are we going 
to talk about? 

1136
00:56:23,720 --> 00:56:25,800
What are you going to tell me to
lead me today in this daily 

1137
00:56:25,800 --> 00:56:28,840
bread that you tell me about? 
So like, that's why I get up 

1138
00:56:28,840 --> 00:56:30,400
early now. 
It's been a habit. 

1139
00:56:30,560 --> 00:56:34,560
So now I'm so grateful for that,
that when you get up early and 

1140
00:56:34,560 --> 00:56:37,000
spend that time before the whole
world wakes up, those are the 

1141
00:56:37,000 --> 00:56:39,200
moments you surprisingly get so 
much closer to him. 

1142
00:56:39,880 --> 00:56:42,240
So I like to spend that time 
away, especially when I'm 

1143
00:56:42,240 --> 00:56:44,280
feeling far from him. 
I'm like, all right, I need to, 

1144
00:56:44,720 --> 00:56:46,800
I need to set aside tomorrow 
morning for this. 

1145
00:56:46,800 --> 00:56:49,880
Like I, you know, and that 
happens way too often. 

1146
00:56:50,000 --> 00:56:54,680
So great answer. 
Preaching in church or answering

1147
00:56:54,680 --> 00:56:57,440
questions at campuses. 
Both. 

1148
00:56:58,120 --> 00:57:00,120
That's a good question. 
That's a good answer because I 

1149
00:57:00,160 --> 00:57:01,360
was like, they're going to 
struggle with this. 

1150
00:57:01,480 --> 00:57:04,440
Trouble there, yeah. 
Oh, that's a good question. 

1151
00:57:04,440 --> 00:57:06,440
OK, that's a good point. 
That's a good point. 

1152
00:57:06,440 --> 00:57:08,480
But both, I'll just take both as
your answer. 

1153
00:57:09,000 --> 00:57:12,800
OK, one word, just one word to 
describe your walk with Christ. 

1154
00:57:13,720 --> 00:57:21,800
Mine would be found. 
Mine would be joy. 

1155
00:57:22,440 --> 00:57:24,520
I love that. 
Peace would be my face. 

1156
00:57:24,960 --> 00:57:27,400
Great one. 
OK, what's one word that you 

1157
00:57:27,400 --> 00:57:28,920
would describe the generation 
today? 

1158
00:57:31,600 --> 00:57:33,520
Anxious. 
That's a good one. 

1159
00:57:34,240 --> 00:57:35,680
Broken. 
Broken. 

1160
00:57:37,200 --> 00:57:42,640
Yeah, I would say lost. 
OK, what would you say, people 

1161
00:57:42,640 --> 00:57:45,600
say Cliff, This one's more 
Cliff. 

1162
00:57:45,600 --> 00:57:48,280
Sorry, but unless you have an 
answer to what would you say, 

1163
00:57:48,280 --> 00:57:52,880
people, is your most famous one 
liner intellectually dishonest? 

1164
00:57:52,880 --> 00:57:54,920
Maybe. 
I do not know. 

1165
00:57:55,000 --> 00:57:58,360
I do not know 4 words. 
I do not know love that. 

1166
00:57:58,360 --> 00:57:59,960
And I was going to, I was 
wondering if you were going to 

1167
00:57:59,960 --> 00:58:03,640
say that or the intellectually 
dishonest because that is that's

1168
00:58:03,640 --> 00:58:05,320
a great. 
I love those two words together 

1169
00:58:05,320 --> 00:58:08,040
because it is so true and people
don't even know what that means 

1170
00:58:08,040 --> 00:58:12,240
until you've said it so much. 
Are you naturally introverted or

1171
00:58:12,240 --> 00:58:14,000
extroverted? 
I know that we go out, but I 

1172
00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:15,640
think I'm naturally a little 
introverted. 

1173
00:58:15,640 --> 00:58:19,880
Like I know I have the social 
media and everything guys, but I

1174
00:58:19,880 --> 00:58:21,760
love time at home with my family
a lot. 

1175
00:58:21,760 --> 00:58:23,320
So like what? 
What would you guys say? 

1176
00:58:23,360 --> 00:58:27,360
You naturally extroverted? 
I'll talk for hours to anyone or

1177
00:58:27,560 --> 00:58:28,960
I need my own time every now and
then. 

1178
00:58:28,960 --> 00:58:30,480
You know? 
Like you, I would rather be 

1179
00:58:30,480 --> 00:58:32,400
alone. 
Both, yeah. 

1180
00:58:33,280 --> 00:58:36,880
Ambiverts get both. 
Yeah, they just came out with, 

1181
00:58:36,880 --> 00:58:39,000
there's actually a middle now, 
you know it's not. 

1182
00:58:39,280 --> 00:58:41,920
I forgot what it's called, but I
think everyone would say that as

1183
00:58:41,920 --> 00:58:45,320
well. 
This is a good one. 

1184
00:58:45,520 --> 00:58:48,680
Would you rather have 30 seconds
in physical presence with Jesus 

1185
00:58:48,680 --> 00:58:52,200
right now right in front of you?
30 seconds or two minutes with 

1186
00:58:52,200 --> 00:58:57,200
all 12 disciples and Paul? 
30 seconds of Jesus, Yeah. 

1187
00:58:57,520 --> 00:58:59,160
Good answer. 
I was like, I hope they don't 

1188
00:58:59,160 --> 00:59:03,200
say disciples, because as long 
you know as as much how awesome 

1189
00:59:03,200 --> 00:59:05,160
that would be to talk to them 
all we can. 

1190
00:59:05,160 --> 00:59:07,280
OK, we can and we talk Jesus 
right now. 

1191
00:59:07,280 --> 00:59:10,960
But I mean, I wouldn't even be 
able to hand his glory like and 

1192
00:59:10,960 --> 00:59:12,720
that's what's sad about hell. 
You're going to experience all 

1193
00:59:12,720 --> 00:59:15,680
that glory on judgement day to 
be separated from it and we're 

1194
00:59:15,680 --> 00:59:17,400
not going to be able to 
comprehend it. 

1195
00:59:17,880 --> 00:59:20,640
Country or rock? 
Rock. 

1196
00:59:22,000 --> 00:59:25,360
Both. 
Stewart with the both or Stewart

1197
00:59:25,360 --> 00:59:27,800
Cliff with the both? 
Basketball or football? 

1198
00:59:27,800 --> 00:59:28,840
I think I know your answer to 
this one. 

1199
00:59:29,440 --> 00:59:31,280
Basketball. 
Yeah, we're all we're all on the

1200
00:59:31,280 --> 00:59:33,040
same question with we're all on 
the same answer with that. 

1201
00:59:33,440 --> 00:59:35,600
A couple more. 
Favorite cut of steak? 

1202
00:59:36,720 --> 00:59:38,760
I'm a chef so I'm just curious 
if you guys only know. 

1203
00:59:38,760 --> 00:59:41,440
I only know sirloin and rib eye.
I can help you with it for a 

1204
00:59:41,440 --> 00:59:43,800
second, but what would you say? 
Sirloin for me. 

1205
00:59:43,840 --> 00:59:46,960
Sirloin yeah, sirloin, sirloin I
would have to say rib eye 

1206
00:59:46,960 --> 00:59:48,400
definitely 'cause I like the 
fat. 

1207
00:59:48,400 --> 00:59:52,560
It's just it, it melts in your 
mouth and I I was cutting filet 

1208
00:59:52,560 --> 00:59:58,040
and beef for nine years. 
One year I cut 100,000 beef 

1209
00:59:58,040 --> 00:59:59,760
tenderloin. 
Goodness gracious an. 

1210
00:59:59,920 --> 01:00:03,320
Entire beef tenderloin I filet 
down or I I fabricate took all 

1211
01:00:03,320 --> 01:00:06,760
the fat mucus the the sea vein, 
the chain all of it and then cut

1212
01:00:06,760 --> 01:00:09,640
them into steaks. 
I've done over 200,000 in nine 

1213
01:00:09,640 --> 01:00:13,240
years and so that's a skill that
I could definitely carry. 

1214
01:00:13,240 --> 01:00:15,880
I can do any kind of steak, any 
kind of seafood. 

1215
01:00:15,880 --> 01:00:16,760
How did? 
You count that? 

1216
01:00:17,440 --> 01:00:21,800
Through statistics in my, in my,
in my analytics, I guess you 

1217
01:00:21,800 --> 01:00:25,240
would say, but with the stuff we
carry on through what we sold 

1218
01:00:25,240 --> 01:00:28,360
the night before and how many I 
keep track of how much I, I, I 

1219
01:00:28,360 --> 01:00:29,800
kept track of how much I cut 
every day. 

1220
01:00:30,080 --> 01:00:32,640
So when I look back at those 
stats on the spreadsheet, you 

1221
01:00:32,640 --> 01:00:35,800
add that up and then you do the 
math over this many years based 

1222
01:00:35,800 --> 01:00:36,960
off of sales. 
I'm a math guy. 

1223
01:00:37,560 --> 01:00:41,560
So I found out that it was 
roughly 100,001 year, which is I

1224
01:00:41,560 --> 01:00:44,120
used to cut like 200 or 200 a 
week. 

1225
01:00:44,680 --> 01:00:48,960
So like it was, it was insane. 
But OK, last one. 

1226
01:00:49,280 --> 01:00:52,320
This one's the hardest one. 
Jesus or Satan? 

1227
01:00:54,240 --> 01:00:57,960
Like to hang out with? 
I I asked it on all my podcasts.

1228
01:00:58,600 --> 01:01:01,720
Jesus or Satan, you're supposed 
to be like Jesus, come on, Like,

1229
01:01:01,720 --> 01:01:03,400
come on. 
It's just an obvious answer. 

1230
01:01:03,400 --> 01:01:04,840
I thought it was a funny 
question of the day. 

1231
01:01:04,840 --> 01:01:06,440
Yeah, yeah. 
You guys were like, wait a 

1232
01:01:06,440 --> 01:01:07,880
minute, What? 
What is this? 

1233
01:01:07,880 --> 01:01:10,360
It's just a simple question. 
Jesus, obviously. 

1234
01:01:11,120 --> 01:01:14,000
But guys, this has been 
absolutely fun. 

1235
01:01:14,000 --> 01:01:16,720
And I'm just so like, I'm blown 
away with Connecticut, but 

1236
01:01:16,720 --> 01:01:19,880
honestly not with the driving. 
Let's be honest, man. 

1237
01:01:19,880 --> 01:01:22,840
I literally called my wife and 
said, I'm about to get angry. 

1238
01:01:22,840 --> 01:01:26,160
Please calm me down right now 
now and talk about the two. 

1239
01:01:26,160 --> 01:01:29,320
Become one flesh because she 
helps me with what I suck with. 

1240
01:01:29,320 --> 01:01:31,200
Was that in New York City that 
was the worst. 

1241
01:01:31,720 --> 01:01:35,160
I was driving through Hartford. 
Hartford, yeah, Hartford. 

1242
01:01:35,240 --> 01:01:38,840
And it was an hour of five mph, 
like literally. 

1243
01:01:39,000 --> 01:01:40,760
And then come to find out it was
a Fender Bender. 

1244
01:01:42,480 --> 01:01:44,640
But anyways. 
Bro, you were graciously 

1245
01:01:45,520 --> 01:01:48,840
offering we are doing a we're 
neither of us are Bill 

1246
01:01:48,840 --> 01:01:51,960
Shakespeare's, that's for sure 
our first book together. 

1247
01:01:52,200 --> 01:01:54,800
But it's it's on a lot of the 
classical arguments, a lot of 

1248
01:01:54,800 --> 01:01:56,560
the questions you asked, which 
are good, although you asked 

1249
01:01:56,560 --> 01:02:00,240
even broader creative questions.
And then we're also kind of 

1250
01:02:00,240 --> 01:02:03,160
syncing up a lot of crazy 
stories from campuses. 

1251
01:02:03,160 --> 01:02:05,200
That's the question we often 
times get the most. 

1252
01:02:05,200 --> 01:02:09,400
What are the craziest stories? 
So like pies getting thrown on, 

1253
01:02:09,400 --> 01:02:11,920
spat on. 
I, I won't go further than that.

1254
01:02:11,920 --> 01:02:14,440
So we do some of that and then 
we do a little bit of the mental

1255
01:02:14,440 --> 01:02:16,800
health side as well, the 
emotional side. 

1256
01:02:16,800 --> 01:02:19,200
Why this anxious generation, a 
little bit on revival. 

1257
01:02:19,800 --> 01:02:21,880
So that's kind of the book. 
Hopefully it's going to help a 

1258
01:02:21,880 --> 01:02:24,920
lot of atheists and then also 
some Christians for tools to the

1259
01:02:24,920 --> 01:02:27,680
toolbox. 
Guys, he's talking about their 

1260
01:02:27,680 --> 01:02:30,480
new book, Cliff and Stewart 
demolishing Doubt, and they just

1261
01:02:30,480 --> 01:02:32,200
came out with what, like a month
ago or so? 

1262
01:02:32,200 --> 01:02:34,160
Comes out actually May 19th. 
Oh, it hasn't come out yet, so 

1263
01:02:34,200 --> 01:02:35,760
you. 
Can pre-order on Amazon or 

1264
01:02:35,760 --> 01:02:37,960
wherever. 
Definitely getting one of those.

1265
01:02:37,960 --> 01:02:39,640
My dad, I should, I told you 
about his books. 

1266
01:02:39,640 --> 01:02:41,440
I'm definitely getting him one. 
He'll read it in a night 

1267
01:02:41,440 --> 01:02:44,120
probably. 
But guys, this, this book's 

1268
01:02:44,120 --> 01:02:46,800
going to help a lot. 
I these guys are 100% being led 

1269
01:02:46,800 --> 01:02:49,800
by the Holy Spirit. 
And so when you combine that 

1270
01:02:49,800 --> 01:02:51,320
with writing, we saw what Paul 
did. 

1271
01:02:51,320 --> 01:02:53,800
So guys, this is something to 
check out. 

1272
01:02:53,800 --> 01:02:56,040
Absolutely. 
And it's available next week, 

1273
01:02:56,040 --> 01:02:58,200
you said? 
Yep, you can pre-order now. 

1274
01:02:58,480 --> 01:03:00,280
Pre-order it now. 
What's the website for that? 

1275
01:03:01,000 --> 01:03:03,480
I am, I do Amazon. 
If you don't like Amazon, it's 

1276
01:03:03,480 --> 01:03:04,600
on Amazon. 
Christian books. 

1277
01:03:04,600 --> 01:03:06,880
It's on Amazon anywhere. 
Yeah, there you go you made it 

1278
01:03:06,880 --> 01:03:08,560
simple. 
There you go All right, guys, 

1279
01:03:08,600 --> 01:03:10,200
it's called demolishing doubt. 
Check it out. 

1280
01:03:10,200 --> 01:03:12,360
These guys are trying to help 
the world and so am I. 

1281
01:03:12,360 --> 01:03:14,920
So thank you for listening and 
you too. 

1282
01:03:14,920 --> 01:03:18,000
Thank you so much for answering 
these silly questions but 

1283
01:03:18,000 --> 01:03:21,880
they're not really silly. 
But like, honestly, it's been a 

1284
01:03:21,880 --> 01:03:23,040
pleasure. 
Thank you for having me in your 

1285
01:03:23,040 --> 01:03:24,560
home. 
And I'm hoping that we can do 

1286
01:03:24,560 --> 01:03:27,320
this again and there's. 
I want to tell you all my 

1287
01:03:27,320 --> 01:03:31,520
testimony so bad, like it's 
dark, but I think that you guys 

1288
01:03:31,520 --> 01:03:33,880
would be inspired by it a little
bit and we can do that another 

1289
01:03:33,880 --> 01:03:36,120
time. 
But it's literally been awesome.

1290
01:03:36,120 --> 01:03:38,840
So guys and you guys listening, 
stay tuned for another episode 

1291
01:03:38,840 --> 01:03:41,880
next week. 
It has been a very eventful week

1292
01:03:41,880 --> 01:03:45,480
for me. 
But guys, just remember, Jesus 

1293
01:03:45,720 --> 01:03:49,080
doesn't say you're too far gone.
He says he'll meet you exactly 

1294
01:03:49,080 --> 01:03:50,800
where you are. 
Today is the day for salvation, 

1295
01:03:50,800 --> 01:03:53,480
y'all. 
So I'll see you guys next time. 

1296
01:03:53,600 --> 01:03:54,360
Peace out.