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Welcome to be on Sunday an 
extension of the preaching 

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ministry here at Leamington EMC.
I am pastor. 

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Wait, I'm not pastor. 
I'm Jonah. 

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I'm just Jonah. 
I'm joined here as always by 

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Joe, just Joe or Joseph, 
whatever you want to call him. 

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Joe, how you doing today? 
Very well, thank you. 

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How are? 
You I'm good. 

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My mouth is on like sort of on 
fire. 

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I just ate some chicken wings. 
Not, not chicken wings, chicken 

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breast that was doused in some 
wing sauce that I made using 

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some sauce from a church member 
that gave us some like, oh, man,

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it was so good. 
But right now I'm experiencing 

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some minor pain in in the mouth 
region from that sauce. 

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But anyway, yeah, that's how I'm
doing. 

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Well, you preached a sermon on 
Nehemiah Chapter 8 on Sunday 

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after your long vacation. 
Yeah, and the name of it was 

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God's Word at the century. 
Yeah, we have a Canadian 

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spelling of that word. 
I actually, when I was 

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preparing, I, I wrote it the 
other way and I'm my whole, the 

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whole time I'm wondering like 
my, my word processor is like I 

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got it underlined in red. 
And I'm like, because I always 

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knew that like there's different
spellings of the word depending 

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on how you use it. 
Like not just like American 

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versus Canadian, but also like 
depending how you use it. 

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But so I sort of looked it up 
and like in Canada, technically 

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the correct spelling is CENCRE. 
Which is super weird. 

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It's this Walmart Super Sentry. 
So we always say that when we 

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drive our like sentry. 
Does it actually? 

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I've never does. 
It actually is actually spelled 

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that way. 
Oh, OK, interesting. 

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But no, it is interesting my my 
software because I'm an 

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American. 
My Bible software is set up 

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where it doesn't correct it if I
type it in English, but if I 

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export it to Word, which my 
computer setup in Canada with 

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the Canadian keyboard, it says 
it's misspelled. 

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So anyway, God's Word is at the 
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We say center even though it's 
spelled weird. 

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Nehemiah chapter 8. 
So why don't you give us a 

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rundown of your sermon and then 
we'll chat about it a little 

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bit. 
Yeah, yeah. 

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So really this chapter really 
was focused on on all of that. 

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It was focused on God's Word 
being at the center of his 

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people here. 
The people had you know, we've, 

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we've been going through the 
book and Nehemiah comes back and

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he has a vision from God to 
rebuild the wall. 

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And so he comes back and, and of
all the things that we we've 

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seen so far right, like 
Nehemiah's devotion to God, his 

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commitment to prayer, he comes 
back and they begin to rebuild 

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the wall. 
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opposition from outside 
opposition from inside, but they

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completed in 52 days sort of 
miraculously. 

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And you know, as you preached 
last week about now, they're 

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beginning to reinstate like the 
servants and the Levites and the

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singers and the priests and all 
these things so that they can 

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get back to the proper worship 
and, and proper following of all

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of God's commands. 
And, and now the beginning of 

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the 7th month, they begin to 
celebrate the, the Feast of 

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Booths. 
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bringing God's word back, which 
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mean, they finished this this 
wall in record time, right? 

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52 days, which they said all 
their enemies were fearful 

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because they could clearly see 
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And is it just a coincidence 
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before the beginning of this 
feast? 

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You know? 
No, not at all. 

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It was exactly like the Lord's 
timing, you know. 

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And so, yeah. 
So now Ezra comes and reads the 

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law. 
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the sermon were, yeah, basically
the flow of the passages. 

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Ezra reads the law, the people 
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know, they weep, and then they 
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And so God's word comes back to 
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And so that was the focus of my 
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center, how God shapes his 
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And my points were my first 
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when we hear the word, when we 
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understand the word. 
And that's exactly what happened

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in this passage. 
As Ezra read the word, the 

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people listened and then they 
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actually went out to make sure 
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And, and in all of these ways, 
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because they were gathering 
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what unites us is God's Word. 
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second point was God's Word 
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And then I used this 
illustration of the piercing 

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comfort of God's Word, which one
of our professors you know, 

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Doctor Pierre? 
Yeah, Doctor. 

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Jeremy Pierre and he was our 
counseling professor and this is

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like the piercing comfort of 
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you see here with the 
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It pierced them because it like 
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the fact that God had been 
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unfaithful and it made them feel
guilty like the conviction of 

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God's word. 
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Go. 
Sorry, you never reminded me. 

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Yeah, I got to cut you off. 
You reminded me. 

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It is connected to this. 
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really emphasized the fact that 
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the word. 
And that was one thing that that

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stood out to me. 
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talking about this, the piercing
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talking about like all ministry 
is a ministry of the word, which

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is goes hand in hand with what 
your message was. 

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Anyway, I'll let you proceed 
with giving us the. 

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Run no, and that's and that, but
that is so helpful. 

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Like every ministry is a 
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that actually was helpful to me 
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Like someone texted me and, and 
just shared something and, and 

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as I was praying for them, like 
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And so I'm like, I'm just going 
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because. 
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myself, I should be more 
intentional to do that, right? 

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It's not my advice that's going 
to help them. 

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It's not my wisdom that's going 
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It's God's word that's going to 
help them. 

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And so when we were praying for 
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our mind, I think sometimes we 
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verse or they already know that.
Like, I don't need to, but 

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still, it's still a ministry of 
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And we're just like the 
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We're really dull, you know, We 
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Well, it reminds me of the 
reading plan that we're in right

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now. 
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reading was Exodus 34, where the
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right? 
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Moses asked to see his glory, 
but the Lord gives him his name.

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And he says, he says the Lord, 
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gracious, slow to anger and 
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faithfulness, keeping steadfast 
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forgiving iniquity and 
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Anyway, he goes on saying he's a
just God and all these different

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ways. 
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throughout the Old Testament 
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We did an exercise in young 
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took that verse and we just went
and had, I had them look in 

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their reference Bible and start 
to find all the different 

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references to the different 
attributes that are listed there

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that God gives. 
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unlimited. 
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with each one. 
But at least a dozen times it's,

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it's listed in some way, like 
some way, but at least four 

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times it's like listed 
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But it's because we're hard 
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We need to hear it over and over
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And so like. 
We need to be reminded. 

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In your example, you give the 
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reminded, even though they may 
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Yeah, even though they may know 
that that verse, they may have 

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memorized they, but they may not
be coming to mind. 

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And the Lord may be using you to
bring it to mind. 

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Yeah. 
And that's the way he uses us in

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our, in, you know, relationships
too. 

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Absolutely. 
Well, no. 

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Now that you OK, now that you 
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to like maybe stay here for a 
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Because now that you said that, 
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this morning when I read that 
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previously asked, like, show me 
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Like I want to see your glory 
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see my face, but I'll pass by 
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And so now in this, in this 
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reveals himself to him, how does
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Like he reveals himself with who
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Like you said, this description 
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odd, right? 
Like if I were to say, like if 

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if you and I had never met face 
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you're like, hey, Joe, I want to
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Joe, you know, I wouldn't give 
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I would show you a picture of 
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But the thing that that is so 
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know why this illustration came 
to my mind, but I was like, Hey,

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let's just imagine that I showed
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person from India, let's say, 
and I showed you a photo of that

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person. 
I would just say, tell me who 

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this person is. 
You would look at the photo and 

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you would begin to go, OK, well,
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Well, he must, he must be in 
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have a, some kind of job because
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His hair, his hair's really 
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He's wearing an earring. 
So maybe he likes to have fun on

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the weekend. 
I don't know, whatever. 

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Just you, you would begin to 
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his appearance, right. 
But now, if I were to say, hey, 

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tell, tell me about, tell me 
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You would not say one single 
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right? 
You wouldn't, you would start to

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say, oh, Anthony, man, he is 
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He's he's very kind. 
He's very friendly. 

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Like, he's very compassionate. 
You know, he he doesn't, he 

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doesn't get mad very quickly. 
Yeah, he's, he's very committed 

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to this church. 
He's very committed to his wife 

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and his son. 
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that changes, right? 
How everything is initially 

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based on appearance for someone 
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But when you really know 
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about their character and who 
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I just thought that was so 
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like, he describes his character
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about an image, right? 
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Don't make an image of me, 
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I am who I am. 
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He gives more than an image. 
Right, like. 

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He also gives us it. 
It shows us how we can like, we 

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can be like him. 
So it's more you can't look like

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God, right, right. 
You, you can't, you can't 

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literally, you can't look like 
anyone else unless you're a 

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twin. 
And then then there's 

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differences still. 
But but you can, you can mimic 

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what he does. 
You can mimic being forgiving. 

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You can mimic the different 
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And so he's saying, Hey, this is
the way you're supposed to be 

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like I'm, I'm showing you who I 
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me. 
I want you to treat others the 

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way I look at you. 
And so I think, and we see that 

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too, the connection. 
We, we're spending way too much 

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time in Exodus, but we see that 
too when we're connected to how 

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Moses intercedes for the people 
on the mountain previously. 

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God is showing him like he's 
never more like he was never 

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more like God than he was in 
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And the fact that he, he showed 
grace and he in mercy and 

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compassion for the people, even 
though they were being like 

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turds, you know, sorry, we can't
edit that out, even though 

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they're being just irresponsible
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He's acting like, like God who's
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And so, I don't know, there's 
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Like God wants us to act like 
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But we need the reminders. 
That's getting back to the point

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you're making like like someone 
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We need to know the Word of God 
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repeat itself a lot for us to 
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over again. 
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And so like, like getting back 
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Word, God's word transforms us, 
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When we're, when we, when we are
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our sin like the Israelites did 
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were mourning and they were 
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But then, you know, Ezra and the
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Like, like the Lord's favor is 
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to him. 
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like celebrate, rejoice. 
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God, the gospel is offensive. 
I mean, it hurts, right? 

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sin and it pierces our hearts 
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conviction and all those things.
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truth that we can have 
forgiveness, we can have 

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cleansing and washing and be 
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through Christ when we trust and
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was God's word grows us. 
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unifies us. 
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transforms us. 
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word grows us. 
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together and as we obey God's 
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the Israelites, you know, we all
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they're coming, the heads of the
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the Levites, with Ezra, and 
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together and they're obeying it.
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grow them as a people. 
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obedient to his Word. 
So good, so good, really good 3 

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point sermon couple like I had 
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I don't know if you said this 
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but one quote that I wrote down 
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mastered, but to be mastering 
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And I don't know if you had more
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something you got from someone 
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It was something I got, 
something. 

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I did mention that in the 
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I couldn't remember. 
I did give away credit and it 

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wasn't original with me. 
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We were taught that very 
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You don't always have to quote 
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giving things from, because 
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overwhelming at times in a 
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away credit when it's not at. 
Least say you didn't. 

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You didn't come up with it. 
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And so I did say I'd seen that 
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it, it is true that a lot of 
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and maybe unintentionally, but, 
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It's like an answer book or like
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It's like where I'm trying to 
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or whatever, you know, and it, 
it was really helpful for me to 

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go, OK, God's word, like these 
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mastered. 
Like, like I become a master at 

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like using these texts to win 
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They're meant to master you like
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working through his word is to 
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and long to obey him and subject
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That was just such a helpful, 
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For sure. 
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appreciated it because often 
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as like this self help book. 
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next question in your Third 
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I wrote this down. 
Maybe you asked this question 

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again. 
I didn't write down like I need 

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to quote quotes around what I'm 
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But you said you said or I said 
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this or you said it 
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which. 
Why is God's word so important? 

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Did you say that? 
Oh yes, I did. 

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I thought it was my closing. 
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So what? 
What is it like if you can like 

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you have more time now, What is 
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Why is it so important? 
Why does it have to be the 

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center of everything? 
Yeah, well, so where I went was,

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you know, God again, it it tied 
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reading plan where God just 
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He saved them out of Egypt. 
You know, these 10 miraculous 

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signs, He delivered them out of 
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of slavery and he saves them. 
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And then he tells them, you 
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says, you saw how I delivered 
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You saw how I bore you on eagles
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Now if you will be faithful to 
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treasured possession. 
You know my holy people like a 

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royal priesthood and a nation, a
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And it's like that hinges on 
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It means that they trust and 
they believe in God, right? 

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They have faith in him because 
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something about who he is. 
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get into God explaining and, and
showing like, OK, here's the 

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structure, here's the system of 
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I'm giving you a Tabernacle, a 
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towel, you know, all these 
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supposed to be in here, these 
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it and all the different parts, 
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It gets a little tedious at 
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it tells you that like, and then
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what I, the way I showed you on 
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Like the, the replica that I 
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just like that. 
Don't deviate from it. 

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Make it exactly the way I tell 
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their midst. 
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overarching theme of Scripture. 
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the garden, but they sinned and 
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garden. 
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presence. 
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rest of the Bible. 
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but God is so loving, so 
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longing to restore what was 
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connection. 
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it God trying to restore it in 
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level of fulfillment is when 
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so important is because we are 
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You know, we make up God's 
dwelling place like God's Spirit

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dwells in US. 
And so we need to be holy 

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because God is holy. 
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God's word. 
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everyday lives, but we're living
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You already alluded to this 
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situation that we're living in. 
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already realized, it's like 
God's revelation is sort of 

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already realized in Christ. 
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layer of fulfillment that that 
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new covenant whereby his Spirit 
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But there it's not yet fully 
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perfect yet. 
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presence without sin. 
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forward to Revelation 21, where 
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earth come down out of heaven 
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perfection, you know? 
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your big theological word for 
the day that Joe just laid out 

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for you in a very plain way, 
which is great. 

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This is like inaugurated 
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So it's already here, it's been,
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been fulfilled or completed. 
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inaugurate presidents, they're 
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Yeah, the eschaton. 
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some feedback. 
Someone, a very astute listener 

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to your sermon, made a 
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Booths, which you talked about 
in well, it's we talked about 

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the Feast of Booths because it 
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great, the festival of 
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It's also known as right 
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Leviticus. 
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connection to the book of 
Zechariah 14, which is an 

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apocalyptic chapter of prophecy 
pointing forward into 

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eschatology into something that 
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I don't I don't think it's 
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Anyway, it's pointing forward. 
His question was like, like, 

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first of all, they're they're 
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festival that's happening. 
But what's really going on 

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there, Joe? 
Well, I have to start by saying 

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it's I, I, I had not, you know, 
made that connection or not seen

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that. 
But yeah, as I, I, I did a 

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little bit of research and and 
obviously, I mean, just a little

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bit, right? 
This this would require. 

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If you wanted a, you know, a 
really in depth or thoughtful 

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answer, I yeah it. 
Seems like Zechariah 14 is 

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pointing to the very end. 
Like whenever whenever Christ is

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coming like looking like you 
think Revelation. 

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I think when I was reading it, I
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I'm thinking this thing looks 
like familiar. 

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Right, 'cause you, 'cause you, 
you. 

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And as you read it like, you 
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talk a lot about things being 
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and that's, we're always trying 
to point to Christ in our 

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We need to go, OK, well, how is 
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And so as I was reading it, I 
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well, was this fulfilled in 
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But then there are some things 
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this, this doesn't seem to have 
been fulfilled in Christ. 

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Like it seems to be pointing 
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Yeah. 
And so like you said, it does 

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seem to be. 
Pointing forward well the point 

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is it seems fulfilled in Christ,
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So that's the thing so like 
fulfilled and that the fact that

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that that's the inaugurated 
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like for us for, for our 
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that already not yet mentality 
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I don't know about you, but it 
is like something that is firmly

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there for me. 
Right, yeah. 

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And so and so Zechariah 14, I 
guess just to lay it sort of out

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it he Zechariah predicts this, 
there's going to be a time when,

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when God's people are gathered 
together and they are going to 

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celebrate, they're they're going
to together, celebrate this 

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Feast of booths again, this 
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And so I think the question, the
question was like, is that a 

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literal interpretation, right? 
Like what or or what is the 

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importance of like? 
Why would we celebrate that, 

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that festival in particular? 
Jesus has already come right, 

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Right. 
And so the little bit of the 

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research that I did, you know, I
found somebody's perspective 

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that I thought that I thought 
was kind of helpful on this. 

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He kind of just talks about 
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the New Testament writers 
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Testament was fulfilled in 
Christ. 

447
00:21:56,720 --> 00:21:59,920
And, and Jesus says specifically
to the the Samaritan woman at 

448
00:21:59,920 --> 00:22:03,800
the well that worship is, is no 
longer restricted to a certain 

449
00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:06,560
place or certain times or 
certain seasons. 

450
00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:09,640
It's about the heart. 
And and then when we think 

451
00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:13,920
about, you know, the the end of 
time, we think of the 

452
00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:17,400
fulfillment of the fact that, 
well, what, what, what all the 

453
00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:21,520
Scripture is pointing to is the 
in gathering of of all people. 

454
00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:25,200
It was now like again, God 
always intended His people to 

455
00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:28,640
ship to be a light among the 
nations, but the New Testament 

456
00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:34,680
realizes that where the Gentiles
are folded in as God's people 

457
00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:37,000
through faith in Christ. 
So when Christ comes, the 

458
00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:39,600
inauguration is instituting the 
new people of God. 

459
00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:41,080
That's the way I view it anyway.
Yeah. 

460
00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:44,880
Instituting the new people of 
God at that, at that moment, 

461
00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:46,720
yeah, which is I think what 
you're describing. 

462
00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:48,680
Yeah, and in Ephesians, Paul 
talks about that. 

463
00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:51,680
He talks about like the dividing
wall of hostility is gone. 

464
00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:53,320
That that there, there was two 
people. 

465
00:22:53,320 --> 00:22:56,400
There's no longer Jews, Greeks, 
Gentiles, Scythians, male, 

466
00:22:56,400 --> 00:22:57,560
female. 
There's no longer all these 

467
00:22:57,560 --> 00:23:00,040
distinctions. 
We're one in Christ. 

468
00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:04,640
We're we're one through him. 
And so this, this guy that was 

469
00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:07,720
writing this article that that 
at least from when I read it, it

470
00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:09,480
makes sense to me. 
And this is this I guess would 

471
00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:12,280
be at at this point in time with
a very little bit of research 

472
00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:14,240
that I've done would be what I 
what I would. 

473
00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:17,800
Be like 4 hours, you know so. 
Sorry, I would see what 

474
00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:20,920
Zachariah is saying is he's 
saying, yeah, they're going to 

475
00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:24,880
celebrate the Feast of Booths 
again, but and, and to what 

476
00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:28,160
extent it will be fulfilled, I 
don't know, but at least it will

477
00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:32,000
it what it means is this in 
gathering Cause again, that's 

478
00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:33,680
what the Feast of Booths was 
that everybody. 

479
00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:34,760
Came to Jerusalem? 
Yep. 

480
00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:37,440
They set up tents, Yep. 
And they all dwelled together. 

481
00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:38,640
Yep. 
For what reason? 

482
00:23:39,120 --> 00:23:41,760
To worship the Lord, right? 
To listen to the law of the bed.

483
00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:43,640
And and to it, it was a 
reminder. 

484
00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:46,080
It was it was like the bringing 
in of the first fruits of the 

485
00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:48,480
harvest, right. 
And so it was like, and that's 

486
00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:52,760
the that's fulfilled at the end 
of the age when God's people are

487
00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:55,200
like harvested. 
You know, this person references

488
00:23:55,360 --> 00:23:59,400
Revelation chapter 14 where it's
like, here's the harvest. 

489
00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:02,120
He's going to swing his sickle 
out on the earth and he's going 

490
00:24:02,120 --> 00:24:04,160
to gather all of God's people 
together. 

491
00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:07,880
And that's like, that is the 
first fruits of these people 

492
00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:10,440
that are gathered together to 
the Lord. 

493
00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:14,920
And so I guess to what extent it
will literally be fulfilled or 

494
00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:17,880
not, I don't know. 
But I think that's like I was 

495
00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:20,680
saying to you before we started 
the podcast, like what Zechariah

496
00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:25,120
can't do because he doesn't know
is he can't go, OK, well, we're 

497
00:24:25,120 --> 00:24:29,760
not actually literally going to 
set up booths for seven days in 

498
00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:31,120
the wilderness. 
That's not what we're going to 

499
00:24:31,120 --> 00:24:33,640
do because of Jesus and all 
these things that are going to 

500
00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:34,920
happen. 
He can't say that because he 

501
00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:38,320
doesn't know that, and so he's 
just saying what's been revealed

502
00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:40,040
to him. 
He doesn't know how it's going 

503
00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:43,320
to be fulfilled, and so this is 
how he's prophesying it. 

504
00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:45,320
Well, Peter said right? 
Did you read the Peter passage? 

505
00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:47,120
No, I didn't, but he did. 
Yeah. 

506
00:24:47,120 --> 00:24:49,600
You know, he sort of does talk 
about that, that this is what 

507
00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:51,720
the old prophets, the Old 
Testament prophets did. 

508
00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:54,760
They spoke concerning the 
salvation and grace that are 

509
00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:58,400
ours in Christ Jesus and, you 
know, the glory that is to 

510
00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:00,840
follow, right. 
So it's like they prophesied 

511
00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:03,280
what they knew to prophesied, 
but they didn't understand how 

512
00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:05,120
it was going to be and. 
It sort of shadowed, right? 

513
00:25:05,120 --> 00:25:06,560
So it's under, under like a 
cloud. 

514
00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:08,320
They didn't completely 
understand it. 

515
00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:10,200
Here's what the Lord has 
revealed to me now this is what 

516
00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:12,440
you need. 
Like that's, that's the beauty 

517
00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:15,200
of what the Lord, the Lord 
reveals what we need at the time

518
00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:18,600
and no more because he wants us 
to trust him. 

519
00:25:19,120 --> 00:25:21,920
If he told us exactly how it was
all going to play out, he's 

520
00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:23,280
given us a pretty good game 
plan. 

521
00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:27,680
But if he told us exactly, like 
step by step by step, then we 

522
00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:29,840
would be so prone to not, not 
think of him. 

523
00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:31,320
Yeah. 
Not to rely on him and trust 

524
00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:32,160
him. 
Yeah. 

525
00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:34,640
I don't know. 
There's something, there's 

526
00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:36,520
something that stands out to me 
in Zechariah 14. 

527
00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:38,440
I need to study it more, like 
way more. 

528
00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:41,520
But if something stands out to 
me like the, the, there's a 

529
00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:44,400
separation, the people who come 
the festival to the festival 

530
00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:46,560
shelters or the festival of the 
Tabernacles. 

531
00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:48,720
And then there are people who 
don't celebrate it, who are 

532
00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:50,520
punished. 
And so like, there's this 

533
00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:54,520
dividing of the people of God 
and then those who are not of 

534
00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:55,960
God. 
And so I think that's something 

535
00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:58,240
to draw out to. 
I think, I think our listener's 

536
00:25:58,240 --> 00:25:59,960
interpretation is, is a good 
one. 

537
00:25:59,960 --> 00:26:01,760
I don't, I don't know. 
I don't know if it's right. 

538
00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:03,000
I can't say if it's right or 
wrong. 

539
00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:07,960
I think there's room for, 
there's just there's room for 

540
00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:10,800
like opposing views here because
we there is, it's talking about 

541
00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:11,920
a topic. 
We don't have all the. 

542
00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:13,520
Answers for Well, I think we 
would. 

543
00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:15,160
We would all. 
Agree on the Old Testament 

544
00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:16,920
scholar by no means. 
Right. 

545
00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:19,960
And we would all agree that it's
scripture and for sure Zachariah

546
00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:22,120
is prophesying something, it is 
going to be fulfilled. 

547
00:26:22,120 --> 00:26:24,600
Like we would all agree on that.
Maybe how it is fulfilled 

548
00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:25,400
exactly? 
I don't know. 

549
00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:30,520
We don't know exactly, but I do 
I do think this perspective of 

550
00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:32,800
well, it is going to be 
fulfilled in Christ, right? 

551
00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:39,120
Like like this, this feast 
symbolizes a reality that is yet

552
00:26:39,120 --> 00:26:42,640
to come where people are 
gathered in as a first fruits to

553
00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:44,280
the glory of God. 
And I think so. 

554
00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:47,440
I think it's foreshadowing the 
salvation of of people, 

555
00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:49,720
salvation of souls. 
More than Israel. 

556
00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:52,240
Yeah, more than Israel. 
So that that's the biggest thing

557
00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:55,720
to like, it's thankfully like 
there's more, more than Israel 

558
00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:57,200
that's that's offered to 
salvation. 

559
00:26:57,200 --> 00:26:59,800
Because I wouldn't be there. 
You wouldn't be there, right. 

560
00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:03,440
So, yeah, it's really, I, I 
really appreciate the, the 

561
00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:05,800
thoughtfulness of the question. 
Yeah. 

562
00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:08,440
Because what it does, what what 
you're seeing is what you're 

563
00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:12,000
seeing someone who's taking 
biblical theology seriously and 

564
00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:13,960
they're taking what we've been 
teaching seriously. 

565
00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:17,920
And like in that the Bible is 
telling one cohesive story 

566
00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:20,080
absolutely from the beginning to
the end. 

567
00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:22,840
And, and it's just a really 
encouraging thing to see. 

568
00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:26,440
But even though they're harder 
sometimes to these, these topics

569
00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:28,400
are harder to discuss because 
there's no like cut and dry 

570
00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:31,680
answer, right. 
And so biggest thing is what we 

571
00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:35,000
always say we can we agree in 
the most important things and in

572
00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:36,720
everything else we show charity,
yeah. 

573
00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:39,200
And love towards each other. 
Yeah. 

574
00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:41,440
So I think that was good. 
Yeah, absolutely. 

575
00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:45,680
Yeah. 
And as far as like, I guess, I 

576
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:48,640
guess just drawing back, drawing
back to the sermon and I guess, 

577
00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:52,200
you know, there was one, there 
was one aspect I think of of 

578
00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:56,160
that I really wanted to draw in 
on that I didn't, that I didn't 

579
00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:58,880
really have time for or I guess 
didn't make time for is probably

580
00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:01,240
the better way to say that 
because you choose to leave 

581
00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:02,640
things out or leave certain 
things. 

582
00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:05,120
Yeah, We make choices. 
It's just like any kind of any 

583
00:28:05,120 --> 00:28:08,160
kind of thing you're doing. 
Like if you're, if you're 

584
00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:12,720
preparing a Thanksgiving feast, 
like at some point you run out 

585
00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:14,600
of time and so you got to make 
choices. 

586
00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:19,000
Do I, do I serve the pecan pie 
or the pumpkin pie? 

587
00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:21,240
Yeah. 
Or if I have time to do both, 

588
00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:24,520
that's great. 
But so we get, we got, we got a 

589
00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:27,800
pumpkin pie on Sunday. 
Now we're going to get the 

590
00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:28,920
pecan, right? 
Exactly. 

591
00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:30,000
Pecan's my favorite anyway, 
sorry. 

592
00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:32,600
Well, if you get together for 
lunch and dinner, you can have 

593
00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:35,080
one at lunch and and 1:00. 
At how many people you think are

594
00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:37,000
going to say Jonah, you say 
pecan. 

595
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:41,280
Wrong. 
I I mean some say pecan, pecan. 

596
00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:44,000
I mix the two together and say 
pecan. 

597
00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:46,240
There, there you go. 
Sorry, mix it together. 

598
00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:51,320
But yeah, I guess 1 aspect that 
I that that I wanted to hone in 

599
00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:55,040
on and I is like this, this, 
this pruning of God's word, 

600
00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:59,760
like, like why is it so 
important to be in God's Word? 

601
00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:02,200
And it's, and it's because of 
what we were already alluding to

602
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:04,640
before when we were talking 
about the Israelites and Exodus 

603
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:06,560
and all these things. 
It's like they have such short 

604
00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:08,200
memories. 
Like we read, we read their 

605
00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:11,360
story. 
And if we're honest, we can't, 

606
00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:14,680
like, we go, OK, yeah, we're 
like Israel, but then we read it

607
00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:17,320
and we're like, nobody's that 
dumb, you know, like. 

608
00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:18,160
I know. 
Yeah. 

609
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:19,520
For. 
Sure, like you've been out of 

610
00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:22,480
you've literally walked through 
the Red Sea and you've been like

611
00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:25,800
out of past the Red Sea for five
seconds and you're complaining 

612
00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:27,960
about being thirsty. 
Like who is that dull? 

613
00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:30,280
Right. 
And it's the answer is us. 

614
00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:34,600
We we are all that dull. 
How James even says it, He says 

615
00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:38,160
like one minute, you know, 
there's there's praise coming 

616
00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:40,920
out of your mouth and the next 
minute there's like anger and 

617
00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:43,800
hostility and resentment and 
it's like brothers and sisters, 

618
00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:46,720
this should not be. 
And it just reminds me of how 

619
00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:49,200
quick we are, right? 
Like when we praising in the 

620
00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:52,200
car, listen to worship song, 
somebody cuts us off and the 

621
00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:54,080
next second we're cursing, 
right? 

622
00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:56,240
Like we are just like the 
Israelites. 

623
00:29:57,120 --> 00:30:00,280
But I think that's why it's so 
important to be in God's word, 

624
00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:05,920
because the world, the flesh, 
the our flesh, the devil, all 

625
00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:07,840
these things are working against
us, right? 

626
00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:11,160
Trying to trying to turn us away
from God, trying to find 

627
00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:13,720
satisfaction and fulfillment in 
the world, trying to find 

628
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:15,520
fulfillment in the things of 
this life. 

629
00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:19,320
And those weeds begin to creep 
in our hearts of being the creep

630
00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:22,400
and take over our life. 
And it takes the pruning of 

631
00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:24,280
God's Word. 
I got this from our professor 

632
00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:25,680
again. 
I was reading some of the notes 

633
00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:28,800
that I had from our class. 
The Pru takes the pruning of 

634
00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:31,880
God's Word to constantly be 
pulling those things back. 

635
00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:34,880
And the truth is it's like it 
doesn't just take one reading of

636
00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:37,160
God's Word and it's like, oh, 
now you're good forever. 

637
00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:39,680
Same thing with an apple tree. 
Or if you have a garden, it's 

638
00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:42,240
like, you know, it's like you 
don't just pull the weeds once 

639
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:44,000
and then you don't have to worry
about it the rest of the year. 

640
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:47,760
It's like you got to be on top 
of it all year, the whole year, 

641
00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:50,320
the whole season so that you 
make sure those weeds don't 

642
00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:53,040
creep in and take over. 
And I feel like that's so true 

643
00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:54,360
in our lives. 
It's like that's why we got to 

644
00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:59,600
be in God's word every day. 
Because every day I'm tempted to

645
00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:05,560
find satisfaction in Facebook. 
Every day I'm tempted to get a 

646
00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:10,120
better phone, to buy a nicer car
to to go to the golf course. 

647
00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:12,360
And maybe today I'll shoot my 
best score ever. 

648
00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:15,760
Like every day I'm battling 
those things, finding 

649
00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:18,200
fulfillment in the things of 
this life. 

650
00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:24,480
And every day God is saying 
taste and see that the Lord is 

651
00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:27,560
good. 
Be reminded that like God is all

652
00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:29,520
you need. 
You don't need the stuff of this

653
00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:32,520
world. 
And I, I say that because you 

654
00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:37,000
sent you sent a sermon last week
from a from, from Doctor Cook, 

655
00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:40,400
one of our our previous pastor. 
And he was talking about the 

656
00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:43,360
life of David. 
And you know this he, he read 

657
00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:45,000
that passage. 
Oh, taste and see that the Lord 

658
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:46,640
is good. 
And as we're coming up to Lent, 

659
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:51,080
I just thought I might use that 
verse as my, as my verse for 

660
00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:54,880
Lent, as I, you know, try to 
give up some things and maybe 

661
00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:56,960
try to put in other practices in
my life. 

662
00:31:56,960 --> 00:31:59,760
And I just thought like, you 
know, in a season where where, 

663
00:31:59,880 --> 00:32:02,960
you know, usually people, it's, 
it's food related, right? 

664
00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:04,960
Like I'm going to cut certain 
foods out of my life or I'm 

665
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:06,840
going to cut bad habits out of 
my life. 

666
00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:10,720
I thought that's a really good 
verse to hang onto, to say, you 

667
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:14,440
know, rather than, you know, 
running to sweets as my comfort 

668
00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:17,240
or rather than wanting to 
whatever it is, right, It's like

669
00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:18,960
I'm going to taste and see that 
the Lord is. 

670
00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:20,440
Good. 
Yeah. 

671
00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:26,360
That sermon was really helpful 
to me because he's talking about

672
00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:28,120
David eating the bread of the 
presents. 

673
00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:30,840
So that's whenever it is. 
David's in the on the run from 

674
00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:32,720
Saul and he's starving. 
He's got his men there. 

675
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:34,800
And then they go and eat the 
consecrated bread, the bread of 

676
00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:39,400
the presents and, you know, 
breaks the law, whatever. 

677
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:42,240
But then like, he, he acts like 
a crazy person. 

678
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:44,880
And Doctor Cook was so like, 
like quick, he was quick to 

679
00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:48,240
point out that like David was 
the anointed 1. 

680
00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:51,040
He didn't have to act like a 
crazy person, right? 

681
00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:55,320
He, he's the, he's the anointed 
king, even though he hasn't, you

682
00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:58,800
know, assumed the throne yet. 
But he, he forgot God. 

683
00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:01,440
Like he Doctor Cook made the 
made the point that in the in 

684
00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:05,320
the text in Samuel that that 
there's no mention of God in the

685
00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:07,160
text in the story, in the 
narrative. 

686
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:12,880
But then in the Psalm when David
is recalling it, he says God so 

687
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:16,640
many times he has had the time, 
the time to like the separation 

688
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:20,080
from the event to be able to 
like really, man, I don't really

689
00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:22,560
need to do. 
And just like you said, he's 

690
00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:25,960
trying to find salvation outside
of God is what he was trying to 

691
00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:30,720
do be saved from the situation. 
And and we don't have to do that

692
00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:33,760
like we have God's word and so 
taste and see that the Lord is 

693
00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:34,880
good. 
The Lord is going to take care 

694
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:37,280
of you. 
He's going to satisfy your needs

695
00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:40,000
and your wants and your desires.
Yeah. 

696
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:41,560
There's just such a good sermon.
Yeah. 

697
00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:43,520
Anyway, I'll, I'll, maybe I'll 
link that in the show notes, 

698
00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:46,400
too, because, yeah, Doctor 
Cook's so good. 

699
00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:48,760
But that was just a really good 
lesson to learn. 

700
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:50,520
Yeah, absolutely. 
Yeah. 

701
00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:53,520
And I think that's why, again, 
just why we just have to be 

702
00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:56,520
disciplined to be in God's Word 
all the time so that He can, He 

703
00:33:56,520 --> 00:34:00,480
can be pruning away our flesh, 
pruning away the desires of this

704
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:03,640
life, and just helping us to 
find our satisfaction, our joy 

705
00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:05,800
in Him. 
Any other? 

706
00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:07,400
Well, do you have any thoughts 
on? 

707
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:11,320
Hang on, let me find it. 
OK. 

708
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:16,199
Verse three, he said. 
The first three, I'll just say 

709
00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:18,440
I'll just read it. 
And he read from it. 

710
00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:21,960
Facing the square before the 
Watergate from early morning 

711
00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:24,760
until midday, in the presence of
the men and the women and those 

712
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:27,639
who could understand. 
All the ears of all the people 

713
00:34:27,639 --> 00:34:28,760
were attentive to the book of 
the law. 

714
00:34:29,199 --> 00:34:31,880
Do you do you have anything to 
say about those who could 

715
00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:36,199
understand? 
Yeah, I, I, I didn't study this 

716
00:34:36,199 --> 00:34:39,199
a whole lot. 
I know Doctor Betson, his 

717
00:34:39,199 --> 00:34:41,760
commentary sort of pointed to 
the fact that like, well, it 

718
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:44,719
mean this would have included 
like foreigners, this would have

719
00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:48,280
included children, like anybody.
And, and he sort of pointed to 

720
00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:52,520
the fact that, and, and I know a
lot of our people would sort of 

721
00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:55,000
relate, sort of connect with 
this because they come from 

722
00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:58,000
backgrounds where children were 
sort of excluded from certain 

723
00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:00,760
parts of worship. 
And sort of Doctor Betts was 

724
00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:04,360
making the point that like there
shouldn't be that separation of 

725
00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:06,760
like, well, kid, this is not for
kids, right? 

726
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:10,920
This it's like anybody who can 
understand should be in God's 

727
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:14,280
word and should be hearing God's
word and studying God's word, 

728
00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:16,600
right? 
And so I think that's an 

729
00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:20,200
important element to like you, 
you don't exclude, you don't 

730
00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:22,760
exclude people from from the 
hearing of God's Word, right? 

731
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:24,960
Yeah, I was just like drawing an
application. 

732
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:28,320
Like obviously we don't, we're 
not like what the people some 

733
00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:30,800
people call like a family 
integrated church, right. 

734
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:32,640
Like we don't, we have Sunday 
school first for kids. 

735
00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:34,600
We have, we have areas for kids 
to go. 

736
00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:37,200
Yeah, but that doesn't mean we 
don't want them in the service. 

737
00:35:37,240 --> 00:35:38,840
Right. 
So like if you have a conviction

738
00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:41,960
of bringing your children into 
the service, by all means. 

739
00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:43,600
Yeah, do it. 
Come to the first service 

740
00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:44,800
though, because you'll have more
room. 

741
00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:47,560
Well, I know people that do 
that. 

742
00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:50,200
You're absolutely. 
But we also want to make make it

743
00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:52,920
clear, like I don't think we're 
being disobedient to this by not

744
00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:55,640
by not saying, because what 
we're doing, and you mentioned 

745
00:35:55,640 --> 00:35:58,040
this in our in the sermon is 
what we're doing in the kids 

746
00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:00,040
environments is we're giving 
them the word of God. 

747
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:01,560
Yeah. 
We're not like neglecting that. 

748
00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:03,480
It's not like coming over here 
and having a tea party. 

749
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:04,800
Yeah. 
They're, they're, they're 

750
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:06,840
listening to a Bible story. 
Yeah. 

751
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:09,280
They're going through the entire
Bible in, in the course of three

752
00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:10,080
years. 
Yeah. 

753
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:12,120
And they're, they're listening 
to a teacher give the Bible 

754
00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:14,560
story. 
They're doing like activities 

755
00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:16,840
that are related to the story 
and all the different things. 

756
00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:20,240
So I think it's important to 
note there's different ways to 

757
00:36:20,240 --> 00:36:21,960
do church. 
There's different ways that we 

758
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:25,200
can set it up. 
We don't have the space for all 

759
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:27,440
of our families in our church, 
for one thing, right? 

760
00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:30,640
That's a sort of practical 
reality. 

761
00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:35,200
But if you like baby, baby's 
crying. 

762
00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:36,640
Do they bother you, Joe, when 
you're preaching? 

763
00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:38,960
Oh, I Not at all. 
Me neither. 

764
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:40,040
It's like it's sort of funny 
you. 

765
00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:41,800
Always apologize. 
I'm like, I didn't even hear 

766
00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:44,720
your baby crying. 
This last Sunday, I, I, I sort 

767
00:36:44,720 --> 00:36:47,080
of like noticed that people were
looking at a certain direction 

768
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:49,320
and then I sort of caught on to 
like, oh, there is, there is a, 

769
00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:52,240
a child that was like, and then 
I sort of noticed, but like I 

770
00:36:52,240 --> 00:36:53,840
didn't even notice to that 
point. 

771
00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:57,720
I know people ask me that and 
I'm like, sometimes I notice it,

772
00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:00,480
but it's like I'm so focused on 
what I'm doing that it's like I,

773
00:37:00,720 --> 00:37:02,640
I keep trucking along and. 
The thing is we're, we're 

774
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:05,880
parents, right? 
And we, we know what it's like 

775
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:09,280
to have kids, and we know that 
they're gonna be rambunctious 

776
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:10,880
and they're not bothering anyone
really. 

777
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:11,600
But you. 
Yeah. 

778
00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:13,840
And so if you feel like you need
to take them out, do that. 

779
00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:16,600
But don't feel like it's 
something that, like, everybody 

780
00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:19,360
around you, they might be sort 
of like, oh, whatever, you know,

781
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:21,400
can't focus in that moment. 
But the Lord's gonna. 

782
00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:24,400
The Lord's gonna give them and 
reveal them what they need in 

783
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:26,840
the message, with or without 
your kid crying. 

784
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:28,200
Yeah. 
So don't worry about it. 

785
00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:29,240
Yeah. 
Anyway. 

786
00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:31,120
But no, that is. 
That is a good thing to point 

787
00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:35,120
out though, because, yeah, I 
mean, there, there will be some 

788
00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:36,320
people. 
I mean, I know we have people on

789
00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:39,080
both sides, both sides, right? 
People who do appreciate like, 

790
00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:40,680
hey, they want their kids to be 
in the service. 

791
00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:43,960
They want them to see that and, 
and they do, right. 

792
00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:47,440
So we have kids, we do have age 
graded ministries for children 

793
00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:52,280
up to grade 5 through grade 5. 
And so at that point they're 

794
00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:56,160
what, 10-11 years old. 
And so after that, then then 

795
00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:57,520
they would come into the 
service, right? 

796
00:37:57,520 --> 00:38:00,280
And so then we do fold them into
like what we do in a Sunday 

797
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:03,320
morning, right? 
And it's like you said, like I, 

798
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:06,680
I do notice, like my kids will 
get more out of the Sunday 

799
00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:08,880
school than they will like 
sitting in the service, right? 

800
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:12,360
I, I do know they get things out
of the service, like if they sit

801
00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:16,560
in, in the service, but we, I'm 
pretty diligent to ask our kids 

802
00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:19,040
what they're learning in Sunday 
school at lunch on Sundays. 

803
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:22,560
And it's just incredible. 
Like, like, like the whole 

804
00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:25,760
story, like they're remembering 
like every bit and every part of

805
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:28,760
it, like the craft they did and,
and the story and the 

806
00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:32,600
application of the story. 
And it's just, and so I, yeah, 

807
00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:36,240
I, I'm not like super hard on 
it. 

808
00:38:36,240 --> 00:38:39,360
Like I would never, never say 
like, oh, we'll never just have 

809
00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:41,640
kids in the service. 
I'm not that convictional about 

810
00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:44,960
it, but I'm convictional about 
kids getting the Bible. 

811
00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:49,080
For sure, yeah, 100% yeah. 
It's like we coach our teachers 

812
00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:51,880
in Sunday school to to read the 
story themselves or tell the 

813
00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:54,160
story themselves. 
And then we have we also have 

814
00:38:54,720 --> 00:38:57,880
the video that plays and shows 
the story with, you know, some 

815
00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:01,040
for the younger kids, it's like 
a a lady of ventriloquist so 

816
00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:02,960
does like a puppet. 
And then for the older ones, 

817
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:06,040
it's like some pictures on the 
on the screen with someone 

818
00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:08,320
telling it and sort of like in 
more engaging way than right. 

819
00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:12,360
So they get it twice, at least 
twice in in the in the lesson, 

820
00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:15,560
which is helpful. 
But yeah, anyway, I just, I love

821
00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:18,480
this, this versus where a lot of
the people who think integrated 

822
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:22,400
church should be like the, the 
only thing you do, the I think 

823
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:24,280
the important thing is that 
God's word is at the center, 

824
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:25,960
right? 
So that's the important thing we

825
00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:28,240
need to remember. 
Well, and so before we move on 

826
00:39:28,240 --> 00:39:31,520
from that, I guess I'll just say
like you oversee the children's 

827
00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:33,800
ministry and the Wednesday night
ministry and, and what the kids 

828
00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:36,280
are learning. 
So thank you for your diligence 

829
00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:39,520
and your hard work on like 
having that conviction, right, 

830
00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:40,920
that we're going to be in God's 
word. 

831
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:43,680
And you know, you guys, you guys
working together with, with the 

832
00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:45,800
Sunday School Committee 
recently, like within the last 

833
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:50,200
year worked on like how do we 
get a, the curriculum we've had 

834
00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:52,440
before was good, but then you 
guys work together to like, 

835
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:54,960
well, how can we get more Bible 
in there or be more intentional?

836
00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:58,480
And so you guys working together
did an excellent job of like 

837
00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:00,600
coming up with a curriculum that
gets our kids in the. 

838
00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:03,200
Word and everybody seems to 
really like it and that's good 

839
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:05,240
yeah. 
Everybody that comes to teach 

840
00:40:05,240 --> 00:40:06,600
really likes. 
I think the kids do too. 

841
00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:09,240
So but yeah, it's it is a 
conviction of mine. 

842
00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:12,960
We have to make sure that we 
don't and it's not watered down.

843
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:14,920
They they don't skip things that
are hard. 

844
00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:17,680
They, they just go for it. 
Yeah, which is good. 

845
00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:19,240
I mean, they do skip around, 
right? 

846
00:40:19,240 --> 00:40:21,400
Because they're they're kids. 
We're not reading. 

847
00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:22,600
We're not reading the end of 
judges. 

848
00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:27,520
OK, Don't be fearful of that. 
But yeah, it is a conviction. 

849
00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:30,040
And so, but yeah, then gracious,
the Sunday School Committee and 

850
00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:32,120
all the different people who 
like takes an army of volunteers

851
00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:34,160
to do it. 
They're all gracious to to say, 

852
00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:35,840
OK, this is what this is the 
vision. 

853
00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:37,680
This is what we're going to do. 
And so that's been, it's been 

854
00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:38,360
very good. 
So. 

855
00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:41,200
Yeah, and it keeps growing. 
But we knew want you to come to 

856
00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:43,280
the early service if you're 
listening to this, this will 

857
00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:44,840
just make a plug for the early 
service. 

858
00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:48,240
The early service is exactly the
same, right? 

859
00:40:48,240 --> 00:40:50,880
Yep. 
No difference in music, no 

860
00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:53,880
difference in the sermon in the 
Sunday school. 

861
00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:56,480
If there's a difference in the 
sermon, it's very slight. 

862
00:40:57,160 --> 00:40:59,720
You might get a better sermon in
the 1st on the first round 

863
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:01,040
depending on who the preacher 
is. 

864
00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:03,560
That's actually really funny 
because I would have always 

865
00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:07,520
thought, OK, the second one, 
you've refined it a bit and so 

866
00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:11,560
it gets better and I and I feel 
like, hey, if you preach it 

867
00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:13,600
three or four or five times, I 
think that probably would be 

868
00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:14,960
true. 
It's like you'd eventually get 

869
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:17,280
it so solidified in your mind 
that it would be better. 

870
00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:20,560
But I do find often times with 
the first one, the first one is 

871
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:22,480
better than the best. 
You got all the energy, you're 

872
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:23,440
ready to go. 
Yeah. 

873
00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:26,800
I found that like for most of 
the time, the first Rep is best.

874
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:28,000
The last sermon that I preached 
the. 

875
00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:30,080
I wish the second one was 
recorded, not the first, because

876
00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:34,840
it was better anyway. 
Yeah, I think I find that like I

877
00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:38,440
go off script more in the second
one, like off manuscript more in

878
00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:40,240
the second service when I'm 
preaching than I would in the 

879
00:41:40,240 --> 00:41:43,560
1st. 
And therefore you have. 

880
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:46,280
Your thoughts aren't as 
connected as they should be. 

881
00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:49,680
You would you would think they 
would be more right, but I I 

882
00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:51,640
find the same thing. 
It's like I'm I'm although I 

883
00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:54,680
feel a little more free to go 
off script but that's when I I 

884
00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:56,840
miss things. 
I get ahead of myself and then I

885
00:41:56,840 --> 00:41:58,800
think, oh, I got to go back now 
anyway. 

886
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:02,040
I thought this was going to be 
the year of no manuscript. 

887
00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:04,040
Joe No. 
Not this year, not quite there. 

888
00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:07,160
What's your final thought for 
Nehemiah? 

889
00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:11,160
Eight, I think the final thought
is I mean, obviously like, I 

890
00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:15,480
mean I talked a lot about the 
vision of our church to be like 

891
00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:19,400
word centered that in our 
preaching, in our teaching, in 

892
00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:21,720
our worship, in our Sunday 
morning gatherings, in our 

893
00:42:21,720 --> 00:42:24,160
Wednesday night gatherings, like
in everything that we do, we 

894
00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:28,440
want to be word centered. 
And I think I would just that 

895
00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:30,880
that is a vision of our church. 
That's the direction that we're 

896
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:32,160
headed. 
Like that's what we want. 

897
00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:34,000
We know that God's word changes 
people. 

898
00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:37,560
And so we that's, that's sort of
our expectation of people that 

899
00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:41,080
come in, right? 
And so we want every ministry 

900
00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:44,800
that we do to be word centered. 
And so that no matter what, no 

901
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:47,480
matter what event you come to, 
no matter what ministry you come

902
00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:49,840
to, it's like you're going to be
fed the word of God. 

903
00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:54,640
And so I would just encourage 
people to for you in your life, 

904
00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:56,080
right? 
I sort of posed that question in

905
00:42:56,080 --> 00:42:58,880
the first point that like, what 
are you doing to put God's word 

906
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:03,120
at the center of your life? 
I sort of it's a good question. 

907
00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:04,800
It is a good question. 
And as I was thinking about it 

908
00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:09,000
this week, like I just sort of 
thought, I sort of thought about

909
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:14,040
like, like for us to be unified,
we all need to be in the word 

910
00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:16,960
together, right? 
It's like if there's one person,

911
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:19,800
you know, who never reads the 
Bible, but like has opinions and

912
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:22,880
ideas about how things should 
go, it's like, how can we really

913
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:25,880
trust that person when they're 
not being shaped and molded and 

914
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:28,800
pruned by God's word? 
Like, like we can't really be 

915
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:32,200
confident that like, their will 
is God's will, right? 

916
00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:35,440
Because they're not subjecting 
themselves to God's word every 

917
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:37,480
day. 
And so it's like we want to be a

918
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:41,120
people who all together are 
pursuing God in his word, you 

919
00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:44,080
know, feeding our love for the 
Lord to call back to like an 

920
00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:48,360
earlier in First Corinthians so 
that we're being shaped and 

921
00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:52,120
molded into his image so that we
are all unified and heading in 

922
00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:54,360
the same direction. 
And so I guess just again, I 

923
00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:57,400
would just again promote D 
groups, which we often do in 

924
00:43:57,400 --> 00:44:01,400
this, in this podcast, but man, 
that's such a great way if, if 

925
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:03,960
you need accountability, if you 
need help, if you want to grow 

926
00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:07,280
together with brothers and 
sisters in Christ, that is such 

927
00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:10,640
a great ministry where you're 
it's not complicated, it's not 

928
00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:12,880
difficult, it's not hard, it's 
very simple. 

929
00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:15,560
It follows our Bible reading 
plan and you just hold each 

930
00:44:15,560 --> 00:44:18,120
other accountable to read. 
You talk about what you're 

931
00:44:18,120 --> 00:44:21,440
learning, pray together, 
memorize the scripture together.

932
00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:24,400
Like it's very simple, but it is
so effective. 

933
00:44:24,520 --> 00:44:27,920
Yeah, yeah, it's and you don't 
have to have, you don't have to 

934
00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:31,600
have been in one already to, to 
start 1. 

935
00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:34,240
And so like if you're interested
in it at all, just reach out to 

936
00:44:34,240 --> 00:44:35,840
me or Joe. 
We'll be glad to like get you 

937
00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:38,840
connected. 
Find 3 or 4 people of the same 

938
00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:41,160
gender as you. 
Like if you're a lady, find 3 or

939
00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:43,280
4 ladies. 
If you're a guy, find 3 or 4 men

940
00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:45,640
or like and and make it to all 
different age groups. 

941
00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:48,840
Like find people that are in all
different walks of life. 

942
00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:52,280
Even though that made me more 
uncomfortable at first, I think 

943
00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:55,560
you'll find out that it's way 
more beneficial for you to have 

944
00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:58,400
that. 
And then just like get with us. 

945
00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:01,920
We, we have a starter guide that
we can hand you and we can walk 

946
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:03,960
with you for the first it it 
gives you the first four weeks 

947
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:06,600
of meetings. 
Like it's it we, we can help you

948
00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:10,120
get started. 
So yeah, very, very good. 

949
00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:12,800
D groups are the way to go. 
Yeah, I even built an app for 

950
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:16,200
you anyway. 
Which is good. 

951
00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:21,680
It's getting better, but yeah, 
so things we like. 

952
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:24,240
Did you have anything this week?
Not that I can think of. 

953
00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:29,240
So we said something three weeks
ago, maybe now, maybe it was 

954
00:45:29,240 --> 00:45:32,440
just two weeks. 
We talked about RC, Sprole said.

955
00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:34,600
Everybody's a theologian. 
Was that with you or was that 

956
00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:36,480
with Carl and Ryan? 
I can't. 

957
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:38,320
Remember, I remember that. 
I think it was with me. 

958
00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:42,680
Anyway, JT English and Jim 
Wilkin wrote a book that's they,

959
00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:45,160
they stole it and they were 
completely ripped off RC Sprole,

960
00:45:45,720 --> 00:45:46,920
but they give him credit in the 
book. 

961
00:45:47,040 --> 00:45:49,800
But like it's called You are a 
theologian. 

962
00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:54,080
It's very short, but it's very, 
very good and it basically just 

963
00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:57,880
like maps out like anybody that 
thinks about God in any way. 

964
00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:00,760
You are a theologian. 
It's just thinking and studying 

965
00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:02,760
God. 
So I would recommend that book 

966
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:06,400
to anybody that's interested at 
all in like basic Christian 

967
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:09,520
theology that's going to spell 
it out for you, give you like a 

968
00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:11,800
basic high level overview. 
It starts with the Trinity, 

969
00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:14,480
which is the hardest part 
sometimes for some people to 

970
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:18,760
understand and comprehend. 
But anyway, I'll recommend that.

971
00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:20,520
So good. 
Everyone's a theologian. 

972
00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:22,960
Yeah. 
I'll recommend both RC Sproles 

973
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:24,240
and theirs just so you can have 
both. 

974
00:46:24,240 --> 00:46:25,680
Yeah, anyway. 
But they're very, very good. 

975
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:28,400
So I wanna say I was just on a 
website the other day. 

976
00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:31,520
I know where you can get a copy 
of that for free. 

977
00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:34,280
I'll maybe look for it again and
see if I can find that. 

978
00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:36,120
Maybe we can link that? 
Somewhere, yeah, for sure. 

979
00:46:36,120 --> 00:46:39,880
And then if you have Spotify 
Premium and you're the primary 

980
00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:43,120
user in your house, that's the 
rule that they have for Spotify 

981
00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:45,320
Premium for audiobooks. 
If you're Spotify, it's 

982
00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:48,600
currently available on Spotify 
Premium for audiobooks for just 

983
00:46:48,600 --> 00:46:50,120
included in the fee. 
Whatever you pay for that 

984
00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:51,520
anyway. 
Nice, that's good. 

985
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:53,960
So nothing else. 
No, Sir. 

986
00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:55,720
OK. 
Will you open in prayer? 

987
00:46:55,720 --> 00:46:57,200
No, you didn't. 
You prayed before we started. 

988
00:46:57,200 --> 00:46:58,680
Will you close us in prayer? 
Sure. 

989
00:46:58,800 --> 00:46:59,520
All right. 
Thanks, Joe. 

990
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:02,160
Laura, we are so grateful for 
your word. 

991
00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:05,200
We're so grateful that it 
teaches us of of your 

992
00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:07,960
faithfulness all through 
generations and that it teaches 

993
00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:11,520
us who you are. 
We are so grateful to find out 

994
00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:15,760
that that you are not a God who 
is angry and frustrated and and 

995
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:19,320
unwilling to forgive. 
You are a just God who is going 

996
00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:22,440
to who is going is not going to 
clear the guilty. 

997
00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:25,200
You are going to to give 
justice. 

998
00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:28,480
But at the same time, Lord, you 
are so gracious and forgiving 

999
00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:32,400
and slow to anger, abounding in 
steadfast love for those who 

1000
00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:34,680
love you and into the thousandth
generation. 

1001
00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:38,120
Lord, you are so good and your 
word teaches us about that and 

1002
00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:41,400
we know that all of your word is
fulfilled in Christ and, and we 

1003
00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:44,080
have the promise that that he 
has come and ushered in this new

1004
00:47:44,080 --> 00:47:47,600
covenant whereby we can have a 
relationship with you. 

1005
00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:51,320
We can be made right before you.
We can have the hope that one 

1006
00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:54,640
day we will be in your presence 
all through our faith in Christ.

1007
00:47:54,640 --> 00:47:58,400
Because through faith in Christ,
our sins are forgiven, we are 

1008
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:01,920
washed clean, we are made new, 
we are given new life by the 

1009
00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:04,080
power of your Spirit, Lord. 
And so we thank you for this 

1010
00:48:04,080 --> 00:48:07,440
truth and we, we thank you for 
these realities. 

1011
00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:10,440
And we pray that that through 
the power of your spirit, 

1012
00:48:10,440 --> 00:48:13,480
through you changing our hearts,
that we desire to be a people of

1013
00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:16,680
your word, that our greatest 
longing is to be satisfied in 

1014
00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:20,200
your presence, to be shaped and 
molded and pruned by your word. 

1015
00:48:20,680 --> 00:48:23,360
And we pray, Lord, that as we do
that, that that you would unify 

1016
00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:25,960
us as a church, that you would 
transform us through the 

1017
00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:30,000
renewing of our minds, and that 
you would grow us into your body

1018
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:32,880
so that we may fulfill your 
work, that we may build your 

1019
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:35,640
Kingdom as we seek to bring 
glory and honor to your name. 

1020
00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:38,120
We ask this in Jesus name, Amen.
Amen. 

1021
00:48:38,720 --> 00:48:41,680
Well, thanks LEMC for listening.
We hope to see you next week. 

1022
00:48:42,080 --> 00:48:42,640
Have a great week.