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Welcome to be on Sunday, an 
extension of the preaching 

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ministry here at Leamington EMC.
I am Pastor Jonah Chitty joined 

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with Pastor Joe Pinner. 
I forgot your name for a second.

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And now we're we also have today
with us Ryan Fair. 

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Ryan's joining us because Pastor
Jake is still out this week. 

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He'll be back next week, 
hopefully. 

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And yeah, so we're just, we just
invited another another guy to 

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come and have a conversation 
with us. 

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Ryan has spoken at family night.
What was your? 

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Psalm 1. 
I was just making sure you 

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remembered your Psalm actually 
came up quite a bit over several

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episodes, and it's come up quite
a bit as we just discuss things.

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It's just such a good Psalm to 
to meditate on. 

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But yeah, unfortunately, we're 
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your Psalm today. 
We're going to be talking about 

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Pastor Joe's sermon from last 
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But Ryan is also the head of our
evangelism team and that 

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ministry that we have out of our
church. 

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So Ryan, give us like your your 
32nd or to three minute elevator

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speech on what, what the 
ministry is all about and and 

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like how people can be involved.
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So will we meet Thursday nights 
during the summer? 

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We meet at Seacliff Park during 
the winter. 

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We go to. 
No, no one's out for walks in 

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the snow. 
So we go to the Marina and we 

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knock on people's car windows 
'cause they're just sitting 

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there. 
And the response has been great.

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But basically right now it's a 
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We're trying to get some ladies.
So if anybody is interested, let

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me know. 
But we're trying to get more 

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people obviously. 
But we're just going out there 

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and we're sharing what Jesus has
done for us that he has come 

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live the sinless life that we 
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that we deserve and and has made
made it possible for us to enter

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heaven one day saved us from our
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So basically, if we believe 
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foolish not to share that, 
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And so that's the goal with this
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community. 
But also it's an equipping 

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ministry to help equip everybody
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share the gospel in their 
irregular everyday life, because

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that's really where we're 
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Not everybody can share with 
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I get that. 
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share with friends, family, 
coworkers that are that are not 

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safe. 
Yeah, that's great. 

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Yeah. 
I mean, like, honestly, I'm 

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creeped out by knocking on 
windows, but I get it. 

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But you said you you mentioned a
lot of really good response, 

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right. 
It's just the reason their 

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windows are up is because it's 
cold outside and they just got 

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want to get out of the house and
like be like at the Marina, 

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which is a cool place to be. 
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respect him, obviously. 
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question, like how like, OK, so 
you mentioned you want to get 

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more people involved. 
Like if I was just a member of 

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the church or an attendee of our
church and wanted to be involved

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in this ministry, how would I go
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Yeah. 
So the first thing that we ask 

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is that you've been part of a 
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So originally that was like 
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being part of a discipleship 
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But obviously we have expanded 
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outside the church. 
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group that you've been a part 
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prerequisite. 
And then you would come and talk

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to me or someone involved in the
ministry and we will send you an

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e-mail out that basically is an 
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And there's a little course that
takes like 45 minutes to to help

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equip you before you come out. 
That's nice. 

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So you're giving them something 
to think about. 

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It's not just like I'm not going
to show up and like have nothing

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to work from, right, You know, 
other than my own story, which 

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is impactful, but you so you did
give them like some tools and 

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resources ahead of time before. 
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And, and we also say, like the 
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everyone kind of freaks out. 
But we say like, we don't even 

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want you to open your mouth, OK?
Because we just want you to come

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and observe how things go down. 
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And to be, to be praying and 
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task of even like keeping names,
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the people that we're meeting so
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Exactly. 
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Yep. 
So is there, I don't know, maybe

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before we move on from this, 
like is there maybe one, one 

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story or one sort of connection 
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maybe just share one interaction
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you over you've been doing this 
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maybe one that has stood out to 
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Yeah, there. 
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We've had a couple people, not a
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actually come to church 
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has been awesome to see. 
But one that I can think of in 

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particular that kind of popped 
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walking the one week. 
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It's kind of the biblical model.
We went up to a window and there

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was a girl in there. 
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she had basically like we had a 
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her. 
She grew up Christian, but was 

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kind of wavering in her faith, 
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believed anymore. 
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had literally asked God that 
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show her something and hear me 
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about the gospel about truth. 
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her. 
I was almost crying like it was 

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it was really emotional and just
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that that was the main thing is 
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best. 
It just just, yeah, I wanted to 

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say work is magic, but. 
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you mean by that. 
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Like, he loves to surprise us. 
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like happy surprises, right? 
Like just like out of the blue 

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where we sometimes when in like 
a moment where you feel hopeless

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or like, why don't I keep doing 
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And then someone like that comes
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conversation like that and makes
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Yeah, that's really good. 
Yeah, that's very encouraging. 

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Well, we really appreciate all 
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Yeah, for sure. 
And, you know, that's heading 

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directly into spiritual warfare.
And, you know, you feel the 

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weight of it. 
And, you know, the way that the 

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way that ministry is run is, is 
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And you guys are very 
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faithful. 
And, you know, we appreciate 

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that. 
It's like it happens under the 

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supervision of the church. 
It happens under us as a 

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pastoral team. 
And, you know, you know, we know

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everything that's going on. 
And, you know, you guys want to 

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work together with the church. 
It's not just about you guys 

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going out to do this. 
It's about you guys having a 

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desire to equip the church to do
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And so for, for anybody who's 
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even necessarily about, you 
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aren't going to go on every 
Thursday night to share the 

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gospel, but it's, it's a great 
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begin having gospel 
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Even if you just learn it and, 
and go there for a few weeks and

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watch these guys do it, you can 
learn how to share the gospel 

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with your coworkers and with 
your family and with your 

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friends, you know, and, and So 
what a valuable tool it is to 

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learn how to do that as a 
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And so we appreciate all that 
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For sure. 
Yeah, I appreciate that. 

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Yeah, that's good. 
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So, Joe, you were our pastor. 
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Yeah. 
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First Corinthians chapter 13, 
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The marriage chapter. 
Marriage. 

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Oh yeah, you say, in a lot of in
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I didn't even you know what I I 
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Usually pastors will address 
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everybody always talks about in 
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the context of Paul's bringing 
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It's it's not about marriage. 
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It's about Paul's writing to a 
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I just decided I wasn't, I just 
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saying anything about it all 
together and just just bring it 

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up like it was in the context 
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church, you know? 
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that the my least favorite like 
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do as Christians as weddings? 
Have I ever mentioned that to? 

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You guys. 
Not on the podcast, guys, don't 

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don't throw me under the bus. 
Don't cancel the whole podcast. 

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Just one third of it is fine. 
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of your sermon, though, was Love
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rundown? 
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together. 
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fact that, you know, Paul, the 
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that love is everything. 
Love is literally what binds us 

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together. 
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talking about spiritual gifts 
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like, you know, if you start 
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do it without love, it, it means
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So that was my, my first point 
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that without love you're 
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Without love, you're nothing and
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And so I was, I guess I was 
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Yeah, I mean, I felt like, you 
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when you reach, you know, 
calling me annoying, you call me

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out for wearing sandals in the 
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Yeah. 
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personal against Jonah. 
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I always find some way to take 
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Him. 
I love it. 

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But yeah, and again, again, 
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this, right? 
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again, I said it before, my 
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right? 
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step towards application and and
I'm saying without love, you are

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annoying because I'm wanting you
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text applies to you. 
And so I'm not not pointing the 

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finger at people because it's 
like Joe's perfect and everybody

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else is struggling. 
I'm just trying to help you to 

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apply this text to your life and
myself too, right? 

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Like I am saying it to me, 
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always recognizes that he's 
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more than anything. 
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love, that without it, you 
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And then Paul goes on to talk 
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right? 
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that we really have to answer in
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to tell us that love is a 
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feeling. 
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revealed in my actions and my 
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And that's what Paul is talking 
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And so I said, if you put 
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love, you know, and if you put 
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And that's the proof of your 
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attitudes. 
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eternality of your love, that 
Paul is again stressing love 

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because gifts are just a means 
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They're just to help us to get 
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Christ more clearly while we're 
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But those gifts are going to 
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But love will never end. 
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each other. 
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emphasize love over and above 
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serving each other. 
We need to pursue. 

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Love awesome. 
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missed, you didn't even mention 
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which which Ryan said he thought
that was quite funny. 

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There was one point in in there 
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So, Ryan, do you remember what 
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Yeah, well. 
Are you on the spot? 

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Sorry. 
Well, the one just hilarious 

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part was you just said that 
Jonah is an avid smoker. 

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Yeah. 
I mean, I don't even, I've never

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smoked around you. 
I don't even know what you mean 

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about that. 
Yeah, I thought he hit it pretty

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well, but. 
Well, it's funny because like, I

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didn't say that in the 1st. 
Service I was like. 

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I had, I had said it quite a 
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second service. 
And when I said it, everybody's 

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laughing. 
I'm like, oh, I got a laugh. 

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I'm like, oh, not that kind of. 
Smoker. 

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Yeah, No, no, no more. 
Anyway. 

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Not not not 7 or 8 packs a day 
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Anyways, yeah, that's funny. 
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sort of the illustration that 
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I mean, like Jonah's been 
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and you use a binder, you, you 
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help the spices and to help the 
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And sort of, that's the 
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of to lead into this, this 
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binds our service to one another
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Like we can serve each other, we
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gifts and, and, and serve one 
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But if, if love is not there, 
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And that person will see it that
way, right? 

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We all know people who say the 
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from a place of love and we 
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to it, we ignore it and we're 
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have a relationship with someone
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place of love, then it means 
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And so I, I think that that it 
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about that. 
I hope it helped people to sort 

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of to connect that at least at 
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Maybe I should have tied it in 
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End No, it was good. 
I think it was. 

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It was a good illustration. 
You're just making me reflect on

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should I be teaching you how to 
how to smoke meats and how to 

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cook better? 
Because I mean, when Joe does 

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anything, if you know Joe, he 
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he tries it, he's an expert at 
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And so like now I feel like if I
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going to like surpass me. 
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I want something for myself so. 
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that it was later on that night 
I had seen somebody else post on

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WhatsApp. 
They're like when the when the 

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preacher talks about smoking, 
you go home and you smoke some 

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food for lunch. 
And we did too. 

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We went home and smoked some 
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I did too. 
I smoked ribs that afternoon and

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Ryan got to eat those right? 
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to have ribs so. 
I had smoked chicken for lunch. 

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Too. 
There we go. 

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Look at this. 
What's the world coming to 

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Canada's? 
Canada's learning what real BBQ 

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is. 
That's great. 

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Yeah. 
I felt like it was it Love is a 

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verb, right? 
It's something we do. 

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That's one thing I wrote down is
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It's something that that we that
we do. 

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It's like trusting God, 
Understanding being a Christian 

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is about more than just some 
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It's about more than me, just 
like having some some kind of 

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like ascent to like 
understanding God. 

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It's something that we when we 
love others, we do something 

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like it's it's combined with 
action. 

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I thought that was a super a 
super good point as well. 

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Yeah, absolutely. 
And I, and I've recognized this 

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like in my own life, right? 
There's been people who, you 

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know, like moments where it's 
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that I've, hey, I, I realize 
that I've not been there for you

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as much as I should. 
You know, I I want to pursue a 

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relationship with you. 
I want to love you and but it's 

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like I'll even catch myself in 
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recognize that like if if I say 
I love you, it would have been 

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proved in whether like in my 
actions, right? 

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And so I recognize in that 
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don't like, at least I'm not 
acting loving, right? 

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Maybe, maybe I do love them, but
it's not, it hasn't been 

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apparent in my actions, right? 
And so we we can catch it 

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sometimes in ourselves when when
we say it's like, it is how my 

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actions been showing that I love
you or have they not, right? 

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And we have to recognize that in
our hearts when, you know, if we

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love someone, then it will show 
in our actions towards them, 

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right? 
Yeah, we have to and we have to,

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we have to understand that that 
we're not always going to get it

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right. 
And there's times when we when 

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we fail and we probably fail at 
this more than we than we 

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succeed in it, right. 
I know I do. 

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And so it's important for us to 
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recognize that you're not always
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And I need to show you grace. 
And I think that's, that's 

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something for us to remember as 
well as like there's, there's 

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all sorts of times in your life 
where you face conflict and 

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tension and we're sinful, right?
I don't know about you, Ryan, 

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but I sin. 
I sin today twice. 

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And so we're sinful people. 
But so there, therefore we need 

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to recognize that you are too. 
And I need to show you grace 

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whenever I don't feel that 
reciprocated. 

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I need to 1st like recognize am 
I doing something wrong? 

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And then like, let's figure out 
what's happening. 

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And so I think it's just 
important. 

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So yeah, anyway. 
That that just reminds me of 

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like when I think it was the 
apostle Peter went to Jesus and 

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said like, how many times should
I forgive my brother right when 

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he sins against me? 
It's like 7 times right? 

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Like and she's like 7 * 70 or I 
forget exactly what he said, but

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it's like we just don't stop 
forgiving others no matter what,

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right? 
We're always to be forgiving and

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always to be loving. 
Yeah, just like you said, like 

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part of showing love is also 
forgiveness, not just an action 

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towards somebody, but it's also 
forgiveness as. 

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Well, yeah, that's great. 
Yeah, that's a good point. 

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That's. 
Really good. 

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And that makes me think of 
another interaction with with 

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Peter in Christ, like after he 
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or not ascension, sorry, the 
resurrection when they're 

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fishing. 
And like Jesus asks Peter three 

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times, right, do you love me? 
And he says, yes, I do. 

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And what's his response? 
Feed my. 

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Sheep you'll feed my sheep, feed
my sheep. 

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And so I think that's again, 
just going back to that action. 

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It's like if we love Christ, 
then our desire like will be to 

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use our gifts to serve the body 
to to feed to feed Christ's 

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sheep. 
And so I think like, again, Paul

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is not there's it's not an 
either or here. 

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I actually sort of wrestled with
like a title, something to the 

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effect of like, if you have to 
choose one, it's love. 

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But I don't think that's I don't
think that's what Paul is 

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saying, because I think it it's 
a both end, right? 

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Like you have to be pursuing 
both to serve and to do it in 

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love, because it's not about 
picking one or the other. 

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Because if I love Christ, if I 
love his children, then I will 

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serve them. 
Like that proves my love, right.

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And so it it is a both end. 
We both have to serve and we 

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have to love while we do it. 
Yeah. 

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And Paul's pulling on this 
string that he, that he laid out

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for us in the very beginning, 
right. 

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Like he's talking about, like 
he, he talks about knowledge and

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he's talking about like, like 
our relationships and marriage 

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and like, like everything's done
to like these last last week you

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talking about equipment, 
everything's done for equipping 

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each other and edification of 
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And like he's just pulling now. 
He's just, like, very, like, 

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explicit, like if you do this 
and you don't love, you're 

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annoying. 
Like, really, that's what it 

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comes down to. 
And I thought that was just, 

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like, of any point. 
That was the one that hit home, 

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right? 
Oh, yeah. 

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Yeah. 
Just just straight up. 

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Yeah. 
But Joe called you annoying Ron.

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He did. 
He just said, you know, you're 

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annoying if you do this. 
And it it really like I, I kind 

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of like sat back. 
I was like, whoa, go calm down. 

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But then I was like, that's 
exactly like I, I thought of an 

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illustration as you were talking
of like you're, you see, 

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sometimes those kids like with 
pots and pans, like banging them

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together. 
It's like, who finds that fun? 

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Nobody. 
It's like that's. 

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One kid. 
Yeah, that one kid in that 

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moment. 
He's having a blast. 

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Yeah, and that's exactly what 
this is saying, like you're 

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being annoying. 
I had thought about because I 

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had seen somebody sort of expand
on that illustration. 

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It's like if you went to a 
concert and they were singing 

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and the only instrument was 
someone just mashing on the 

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cymbals. 
I had sort of thought like, 

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should I just go back to the 
drums and just start like 

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wailing on all the symbols and 
be like, hey, it sounds real 

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great guys, doesn't it? 
Because it's like it is symbols 

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within like the context of a of 
a band add really great like 

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flair and flavor and it sounds 
good. 

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But on their own it's just it is
the most ear piercing obnoxious 

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sound. 
You know what, it reminds me of 

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a Saturday Night Live skit where
Will Ferrell is in in like the 

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70s band and they they just got 
to have more cowbell and he's 

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just banging on the cowbell and 
they just, he just like takes 

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over the whole set during the 
recording and is it's just like 

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that completely annoying, stops 
everything, makes himself the 

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center of attention and it's 
ultimately unloving. 

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So it's really good. 
I'm glad you didn't use that 

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illustration in in the sermon. 
But that's exactly the point, 

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right? 
It makes you the center of 

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attention, right? 
And you know it, it's kind of 

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ironic that we're, you know, 
we're talking about music 

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because that's something that we
talk about as a music team. 

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Like the more musicians you have
on the stage, like you, we, I 

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use this illustration that I got
from a different worship leader.

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It's like, imagine that we have 
a piece of pie. 

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If there's three of us on stage,
we have to share that pie and 

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you each get 1/3 of it, right? 
But now you have a ten person 

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band. 
Now we're still splitting that 

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same pie, but now each of us has
a 10th of it. 

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So now your piece is that much 
smaller. 

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And so you have to be tasteful 
with where you choose to play 

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and where you choose not to play
and where you choose to 

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harmonize and where you choose 
not to harmonize and where you 

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leave space for other 
instruments to shine. 

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But what Paul is saying here is 
like these people who are so 

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arrogant about their gift, 
they're not doing that. 

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They're not seeking to leave 
space and room for others. 

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They're just drawing attention 
to themselves in their own gift 

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and they're just trying to to 
boast in themselves. 

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Yeah, so it makes it makes me 
think about the the the next 

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point where you talked about, 
excuse me, Job a lot. 

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And he talked about his friends 
coming up and like you got lots 

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of chuckles about, you know, not
that you're being a comedian on 

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like the end of Sermon, but I 
just thought it was like people 

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knew what you were going for in 
that moment. 

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They're thinking, yeah. 
Oh yeah. 

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It would be great to have a 
friend like Jobs, you know, like

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these guys who come in, they're 
just, they're just bad friends. 

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And I just felt like it was good
because they they were trying to

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make themselves righteous, 
right, like and to put joke 

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down. 
And it's like finally we can we 

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can not job down a few a few 
pegs because he's been this one 

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that's always built up. 
And it's like, you know, what 

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did you do right? 
It's something that something 

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you did and no, well, the Lord's
just testing his servant, right.

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So I just felt like that was a 
really good illustration to 

448
00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:55,720
think about from the Bible. 
Like using the Bible to explain 

449
00:21:55,720 --> 00:21:58,560
the Bible in my mind is the best
way to go about preaching a 

450
00:21:58,560 --> 00:22:01,040
sermon. 
And like, if we can find an 

451
00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:02,920
illustration in there, I felt 
like that was really good. 

452
00:22:02,920 --> 00:22:05,680
So yeah, they don't come to 
comfort him. 

453
00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:07,640
They come. 
They come to like, I feel like 

454
00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:11,720
that his friends came to relish 
in his, in his like whatever he 

455
00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:14,600
was going through, just to like 
sit there and be like, how many 

456
00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:15,720
days? 
Were they? 

457
00:22:16,360 --> 00:22:18,960
First of all, if you can sit 
there and be quiet for seven 

458
00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:22,360
days, that's something else too.
That's yeah, yeah, it, it makes 

459
00:22:22,360 --> 00:22:24,080
everything else so surprising, 
though, doesn't it? 

460
00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:27,520
It's like it's like it's they 
came there with like this 

461
00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:31,400
pretense of like, man, we want 
to comfort you and who knows? 

462
00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:33,640
I mean, I don't know, like it's 
hard to obviously we're not 

463
00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:34,800
giving all the information, 
right? 

464
00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:38,480
Like did they carpool there and 
and they were talking on the way

465
00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:40,320
of like man, well, I'm going to 
say this and I'm going to say 

466
00:22:40,320 --> 00:22:42,200
that, you know, but maybe we 
should just shut up for the 

467
00:22:42,200 --> 00:22:44,560
first couple days. 
So that and I don't know, like 

468
00:22:44,560 --> 00:22:45,640
you never. 
Camel pulled. 

469
00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:49,640
That camel pulled. 
Oh jeez. 

470
00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:52,000
Sorry, guys. 
Sorry. 

471
00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:54,920
I'm really on it today. 
Yeah, you're right. 

472
00:22:54,920 --> 00:22:57,440
You know, did they, did they 
collaborate before they started 

473
00:22:57,440 --> 00:23:00,160
to go in on everything? 
And I don't know, I just thought

474
00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:02,600
it was thought it was really 
helpful to bring that out. 

475
00:23:03,560 --> 00:23:06,160
Yeah, it was, it was a very 
interesting, but I, I thought it

476
00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:09,440
was a really good example of 
like guys who, you know, it was 

477
00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:11,920
very clear in their response 
that they, they were not seeking

478
00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:14,520
to comfort him. 
They were not seeking to, you 

479
00:23:14,520 --> 00:23:17,600
know, it, it was they were just 
trying to slander him, right. 

480
00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:20,160
Like, like you said, you must 
have done something wrong to 

481
00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:23,520
deserve this right? 
Because because God only 

482
00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:27,440
operates in functions one way. 
And it's like if you do what is 

483
00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:29,960
right, which again, this is this
is quite honestly the way we 

484
00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:34,040
think about the Old Testament at
times too, if we're honest, the 

485
00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:36,280
way when we read the Old 
Testament, it's like, hey, it's 

486
00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:38,760
easy. 
You obey God and he's going to 

487
00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:42,400
bless you, right? 
And so if anything bad comes, 

488
00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:45,320
that means that you must have 
done something wrong, which 

489
00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:48,400
again, we're given sort of that 
whole story, right? 

490
00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:53,240
Like it's like, well, Satan came
to God and he said, yeah, I, I 

491
00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:56,280
think he'll turn from you if you
take away the blessings. 

492
00:23:56,520 --> 00:24:01,040
And the whole point, like you 
said, God was, he was testing 

493
00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:03,520
Job. 
And that, that word of being 

494
00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:08,200
tested correlates to 1st 
Corinthians 13 where it's or 

495
00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:10,880
not, sorry, not first 
Corinthians chapter 10, rather 

496
00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:16,000
verse 13 where it's like God 
allows, he allows things to 

497
00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:17,560
come, but not so much more than 
we can. 

498
00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:19,640
But we can bear, right? 
That temptation, we're going to 

499
00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:22,560
be able to bear it. 
And so that temptation, that 

500
00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:25,560
test, it's not like God's 
sitting there going, like biting

501
00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:29,200
his nails going, oh man, I 
really hope Job is able to do 

502
00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:32,840
this. 
No, it was to prove that he 

503
00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:37,440
wasn't going to turn from God 
like it was to validate Job's 

504
00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:41,080
commitment to God like his. 
It was never in question from 

505
00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:44,720
God's viewpoint. 
He was just simply showing Satan

506
00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:47,680
that it's like, no, they, they 
are not going to turn from me 

507
00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:49,760
right there. 
He is going to be faithful 

508
00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:52,800
because of his belief in me, and
it isn't dependent just on my 

509
00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:55,080
blessing, right? 
And so that's what his friends 

510
00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:57,960
fail to recognize, that it's 
like God may in fact allow 

511
00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:00,160
someone who is righteous to 
suffer. 

512
00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:03,280
And you know, we have to have 
that in our theology, right? 

513
00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:09,280
Right. 100% yeah. 
And then you gave you gave a 

514
00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:15,200
good example of biblical 
friendship and love using one of

515
00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:16,520
my favorite stories in 
Scripture. 

516
00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:20,720
And David and Jonathan. 
It's just, it's just, it's just 

517
00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:25,640
a helpful story to think about. 
Jonathan willingly gave up about

518
00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:28,160
birthright or willingly 
submitted to the Lord. 

519
00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:34,080
We'll say that he submitted to 
the Lord's will and, and like 

520
00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:36,760
just sided with David against 
his father. 

521
00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:41,080
And, and you saw Saul, you saw 
Saul burn with his anger and his

522
00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:44,760
wrath. 
And what did you say he was more

523
00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:48,680
upset about? 
Not about himself being almost 

524
00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:50,040
killed by his dad or something. 
Yeah. 

525
00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:51,600
About David's honor being. 
Yeah. 

526
00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:54,760
Being disgraced, yeah. 
Yeah, so that's the kind of 

527
00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:56,800
sacrificial love that Paul's 
talking about here. 

528
00:25:57,920 --> 00:25:59,440
I think it's just a really, 
really helpful. 

529
00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:03,480
So I appreciated that. 
Like just mechanically us like 

530
00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:05,800
for you specifically in the 
sermon, using the Bible to 

531
00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:09,520
interpret the Bible as a helpful
lesson for those of us who who 

532
00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:10,760
are sitting out there hearing 
it. 

533
00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:14,520
Because a lot of times we just 
look to the Bible and don't 

534
00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:17,520
understand, you know, But like I
would just encourage anybody 

535
00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:20,480
listening to use the live links 
at the bottom of your Bible and 

536
00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:22,640
the center column of your Bible.
If you have a reference Bible 

537
00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:25,480
where it sends you to another 
passage of Scripture. 

538
00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:29,440
All people a lot smarter than me
for centuries have been putting 

539
00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:33,000
these cross references together,
showing us how the Bible is one 

540
00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:34,880
big story. 
So man, I just felt like it was 

541
00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:37,080
a really good helpful that 
point. 

542
00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:40,680
I think it was .2, maybe all of 
it was in .2 where you where you

543
00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:41,840
drew that out. 
So. 

544
00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:46,600
Yeah, and I hope, I hope that my
preaching is, is in a clear 

545
00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:49,480
enough way that it helps you to 
even maybe thinking about how 

546
00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:53,280
you can be reading and studying 
your own Bibles like like my, my

547
00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:54,920
sermons are pretty well the same
every time. 

548
00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:57,400
I mean, I've, I've got it locked
and loaded pretty good now that 

549
00:26:57,400 --> 00:26:59,760
I follow like a routine. 
And so you're going to hear the 

550
00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:03,120
same thing from me every week. 
I'm basically going to have, you

551
00:27:03,120 --> 00:27:07,040
know, a few points and what I'm 
going to do in that point is I'm

552
00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:09,720
breaking up Paul's argument to 
some sub points. 

553
00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:13,600
That's me explaining this 
passage in what it means in the 

554
00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:18,040
context that it's written. 
And then I use an illustration 

555
00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:20,760
to help us to grasp what's 
taking place there. 

556
00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:25,160
And then I apply it to our day. 
And so that's that's very 

557
00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:26,480
simple. 
And you, you can do that in your

558
00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:28,680
own reading, like because and P 
you'll do this, right? 

559
00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:31,200
Well, you're, you're reading the
Bible and you know, you'll be, 

560
00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:33,240
you'll be reading a text and 
you'll be trying to understand 

561
00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:35,160
what it means. 
And sometimes something will 

562
00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:37,120
come to your mind, right? 
Like something be like, oh, 

563
00:27:37,120 --> 00:27:40,280
that's like kind of like this. 
When this happens up with my 

564
00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:42,800
family or when this sort of 
situation, like illustrations 

565
00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:46,040
will sort of naturally come to 
your mind of like, well, it's 

566
00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:48,840
kind of like this in my life or 
one of my kids did this or in my

567
00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:50,880
conversation with my wife or my 
Co worker, right? 

568
00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:54,160
You think of these things and 
that helps you to understand 

569
00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:56,920
what that means. 
But then you need to take that 

570
00:27:56,920 --> 00:27:59,560
step of then apply how am I 
going to apply this to my life? 

571
00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:01,520
Right? 
And that's a very simple way. 

572
00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:04,160
But I really like you. 
You sort of, you've sort of been

573
00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:07,840
encouragement to me for us to, 
to use the Bible more. 

574
00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:12,160
You know, like, I think I used 
more just just worldly 

575
00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:14,960
references. 
And now I, I'm trying to use 

576
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:16,960
more Bible references. 
Like you said, if there is a 

577
00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:20,960
biblical example that ties it, I
want to use that because I was 

578
00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:23,560
always encouraged by a professor
who said we just need to know 

579
00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:26,200
our Bibles so much better than 
we do. 

580
00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:30,080
You know, the, the key to 
unlocking my spiritual growth is

581
00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:33,360
not like the latest book, It's 
not the latest podcast, it's not

582
00:28:33,360 --> 00:28:37,000
the latest social media thing. 
It's me getting into the Word 

583
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:38,840
more and knowing the Bible 
better and. 

584
00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:39,640
So. 
Yeah. 

585
00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:44,560
Yeah, I mean, with the exception
of our podcast, you're right. 

586
00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:47,640
You're absolutely right. 
Doctor Vickers, I remember that 

587
00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:50,440
that same professor saying that 
same thing in one of our classes

588
00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:54,040
and just like, looking at us 
almost with contempt, like, you 

589
00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:56,480
really don't know your Bible. 
How did you get this far in 

590
00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:59,720
life, being a seminary student 
and not know your Bible? 

591
00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:02,800
And so it's important for us to 
be in it, be in the Word daily, 

592
00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:06,600
not just for the habit of it, 
right, but to actually learn and

593
00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:11,520
to know God better. 
So yeah, Ryan, got anything put 

594
00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:13,600
you on the spot? 
I did this job boys too. 

595
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:18,120
Yeah, no, I, I I think that's so
good too. 

596
00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:22,920
Like when it just, I guess I'm 
just going to reiterate like 

597
00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:25,600
it's so good to help see the 
Bible as a whole. 

598
00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:27,360
It kind of like with the ones in
night class that you're doing, 

599
00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:30,680
right? 
The the Bible is 11 book start 

600
00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:33,360
to finish, like, and we can see 
that so easily. 

601
00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:37,360
Like everything ties together, 
like even with the gospel, 

602
00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:39,600
right? 
Like I know that you guys are 

603
00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:42,240
really intentional about putting
the gospel in every single 

604
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:45,560
sermon. 
Because I've heard, I think it's

605
00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:49,480
Charles Spurgeon who said just 
as all roads, he, he was from 

606
00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:51,840
England, just as all roads lead 
to London. 

607
00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:56,160
So all passages of Scripture 
lead to the gospel, right? 

608
00:29:56,440 --> 00:30:00,560
And so like it's, it's always 
there and it's always tied 

609
00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:02,760
together. 
Yeah, absolutely. 

610
00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:05,000
It's telling that one 
overarching story, right. 

611
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:09,160
It all points and I hoped I 
again, I realize I want to do 

612
00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:12,520
this more even in leading to 
Christ, even in like my sermons 

613
00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:15,960
that like I hope I'm never 
communicating to people that 

614
00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:18,080
like, you know, you just got to 
pull yourself up by your 

615
00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:20,560
bootstraps and try a little bit 
harder. 

616
00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:23,840
That is not the answer. 
The gospel is the answer that 

617
00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:27,720
like when we in this area, I 
mean, who of us when it comes to

618
00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:29,920
love, who of us has been 
sinless, right? 

619
00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:34,840
We've all said and done things 
out of bitterness, out of anger,

620
00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:37,320
out of resentment, and we've not
had an attitude of love. 

621
00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:40,960
And that shows us that those 
were meaningless acts, right? 

622
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:43,920
And so that could lead us to 
despair, that could lead us to 

623
00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:45,440
discouragement. 
But that's where we need to go 

624
00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:47,560
to Christ. 
We need to go to the cross. 

625
00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:50,560
We need to confess it, to 
embrace the forgiveness that 

626
00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:53,720
comes as a result of Christ and 
what he's done for us and 

627
00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:57,600
seeking his strength through his
Spirit to have a heart that does

628
00:30:57,600 --> 00:30:59,760
love and to do it with the right
attitude, right? 

629
00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:02,680
And so Christ is the answer to 
all of those things. 

630
00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:04,560
It's never just about us trying 
harder. 

631
00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:07,640
And then hopefully God will love
us enough to let us into heaven,

632
00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:09,120
right? 
Like that's not it at all. 

633
00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:11,400
It's about bracing them, 
embracing the gospel. 

634
00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:15,520
Yeah, for sure. 
Nice, nice plug for Charlie 

635
00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:19,800
Spurgeon, Prince of preachers. 
We would all do well and very 

636
00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:22,480
like do ourselves a big favour 
if we read more of his sermons. 

637
00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:27,960
Fantastic preacher Joe, good 
question for you. 

638
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:29,080
Well, serious question for both 
of you. 

639
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:33,400
Do you guys think you can like 
you can hit a fastball? 

640
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:40,200
No, I. 
Do you think he could, like, 

641
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:45,240
stare at a Major League picture?
A pitcher, Ryan and and hit a 

642
00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:51,480
fastball as it's coming down at 
you at 100 miles an hour every 

643
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:54,920
day of the week. 
No, not a chance. 

644
00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:57,720
Well, I mean, there's needs to 
be some parameters to this, 

645
00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:00,120
right? 
Like, like if let's say a 

646
00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:02,720
pitcher's going to, if he's 
going to throw 100 miles an hour

647
00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:07,360
and he's going to throw me 100 
pitches perfectly 100% down the 

648
00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:08,800
middle. 
Yeah. 

649
00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:11,400
I mean, I guess I could get the 
timing and just throw my bat out

650
00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:14,120
there and I probably hit it, you
know, a couple times, right. 

651
00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:17,320
But like, if we're talking about
like hitting a Major League, 

652
00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:19,960
Major League pitcher who's going
to mix his pitches and like, 

653
00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:23,560
and, and locate a fastball in 
the outside corner and then 

654
00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:27,000
throw a curveball in the dirt. 
Like, not, not a chance. 

655
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:31,280
Not even maybe if it. 
And if you did, like, OK, like 

656
00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:34,480
maybe 100 at bats, like if you 
did, it would just be pure luck.

657
00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:38,080
There's a reason like 
professional hitters like to. 

658
00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:42,920
To hit a ball like one out of 
every four times is considered 

659
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:43,840
pretty good. 
Right. 

660
00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:45,880
Yeah, it's considered really 
good. 

661
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:50,200
I would say, like, I love this, 
this illustration because I 

662
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:53,200
could see your boys saying this 
as they're watching TV, you 

663
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:55,080
know? 
Oh, what do you mean? 

664
00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:57,480
You like to hit that with my 
eyes closed? 

665
00:32:57,480 --> 00:33:01,640
You know, it's like just I can, 
I can envision them doing it and

666
00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:04,680
saying those things. 
And it was funny to me, but it's

667
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:06,640
so true. 
And the connection to the text 

668
00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:10,840
was in verse 11 when Paul says, 
when I was a child, I spoke like

669
00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:12,800
a child. 
I thought like a child, I 

670
00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:15,640
reasoned like a child. 
And that is so true of us all 

671
00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:19,440
right, Like, like when we're, 
when we were kids, you just 

672
00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:21,600
thought you could do anything, 
anything was possible. 

673
00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:23,600
And in fact, it was not just 
possible. 

674
00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:26,560
It was easy. 
And and like, what are we? 

675
00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:28,800
That's the same way we look at 
the Christian life sometimes and

676
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:32,120
like, you know, but no, you need
to like be sober minded, be 

677
00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:35,040
reasonable in your thinking, 
have a life experience there to 

678
00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:36,800
help you. 
And that's what Paul's talking 

679
00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:37,880
about. 
He's like this, like, I'm not 

680
00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:43,800
telling you this out of some 
kind of, I don't know, perfect 

681
00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:46,360
world that I'm in. 
I'm telling you this like out of

682
00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:49,880
my life experiences. 
I mean, this is Paul right in, 

683
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:52,720
in like the not next chapter, 
but the chapter in 15, he's 

684
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:56,080
going to talk about how like he 
was the chief of sinners, how he

685
00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:59,040
was the lowest of apostles 
because he persecuted the 

686
00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:01,560
church. 
This is a guy who'd never acted 

687
00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:05,800
out of love, who always acted 
out of like this, this desire 

688
00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:09,000
for like true vindication 
without love. 

689
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:10,639
Like this is him. 
He's talking about himself at 

690
00:34:10,639 --> 00:34:12,480
the front here. 
I think he's talking about 

691
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:14,320
himself. 
He understands this concept, 

692
00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:17,199
like personally, this is 
something he's experienced. 

693
00:34:17,639 --> 00:34:20,719
And so he's saying like I, I 
like when I was a child, maybe 

694
00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:22,120
he was a child before his 
conversion. 

695
00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:23,199
Maybe that's what he's talking 
about. 

696
00:34:23,639 --> 00:34:26,560
But but he's awake now. 
And so this is something to 

697
00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:29,199
think about. 
I just felt like it was a really

698
00:34:29,199 --> 00:34:31,159
good illustration. 
Yeah. 

699
00:34:31,199 --> 00:34:34,920
And I think we think we 
understand, right? 

700
00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:37,239
I think like going back to Job's
friends, like they thought they 

701
00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:39,600
understood God. 
They thought they had it all 

702
00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:41,560
figured out. 
And that's the problem that we 

703
00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:44,400
make. 
Like we think that we have it 

704
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:48,679
all figured out and we don't. 
We're like children who just 

705
00:34:48,679 --> 00:34:52,639
don't understand. 
And it reminds me of a song I 

706
00:34:52,639 --> 00:34:56,760
shared this album by Sovereign 
Grace Worship, an album based on

707
00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:58,800
the book Knowing God by Ji 
Packer. 

708
00:34:59,240 --> 00:35:03,680
And the song is called Christ 
Our Wisdom, and it says Christ 

709
00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:07,160
our wisdom. 
We are humbled when you hide 

710
00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:11,120
your ways from us. 
You have purposes unnumbered, 

711
00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:15,480
each one good and glorious. 
Help us trust when we grow 

712
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:18,440
weary, free us from our anxious 
thoughts. 

713
00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:20,960
Give us grace to see more 
clearly. 

714
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:25,600
You are God and we are not. 
And it's sort of like just goes.

715
00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:28,920
It goes into this vein of like 
Christ is our wisdom. 

716
00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:32,920
And it's not like we just don't 
get it. 

717
00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:36,400
And we just need to humble 
ourselves before God and, and 

718
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:38,840
say that that we just don't 
understand. 

719
00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:41,400
There's so many circumstances in
our life, whether it's the death

720
00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:45,320
of a loved one or a really 
trying circumstance or suffering

721
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:49,000
or trials that we just don't get
in our life. 

722
00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:52,000
And the worst thing that we can 
do is try putting God in a box 

723
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:54,000
and say that like we have it 
figured out. 

724
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:56,400
We just don't. 
You just have to humble yourself

725
00:35:56,400 --> 00:36:00,320
before God and say you and your 
wisdom know what's going on. 

726
00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:04,400
You can see the whole picture 
and I can see we go back to that

727
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:05,520
John Piper thing. 
How does it go? 

728
00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:08,040
Again? 
The the God is doing a million 

729
00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:13,920
things at one in one second and 
we're we know about maybe 2 two 

730
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:16,400
of them that's going on. 
We have no idea. 

731
00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:19,440
And we just have to humble 
ourselves before an incredible 

732
00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:22,440
God and just say you are God and
I'm not. 

733
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:27,080
Yeah, I think, and I'm reminded 
of I think it's the book of 

734
00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:31,760
Romans, Paul again, where he 
just says like when when he 

735
00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:35,240
anticipates people questioning 
God, he just says, who are you 

736
00:36:35,240 --> 00:36:38,560
to question God, right? 
Like how how often are we like 

737
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:41,560
like you just said, like God, 
why in the world would you do 

738
00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:43,480
this? 
Why would you like Job could 

739
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:47,000
have so easily God like, well, 
it kind of did, right? 

740
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:51,360
What's happening to me, right. 
And and God comes in and just 

741
00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:54,600
humbles him and Job's like I'm a
worm, I'm nothing. 

742
00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:58,400
Where were you when I created 
the foundations of the world? 

743
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:00,720
That's the question here. 
Dude, that's so good. 

744
00:37:00,720 --> 00:37:03,000
At the end of the book of Job, 
when God starts talking and 

745
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:06,840
you're just like and Job's just 
like, yeah, I take it back. 

746
00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:10,520
Yeah, my bad. 
Yeah, just yeah, It's, it's 

747
00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:12,960
incredible. 
It we think we understand and 

748
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:15,760
and you know, we need to, we 
need to humble ourselves before 

749
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:19,240
God speaks, right? 
I don't I don't want to the 

750
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:21,720
arrogant, you know, like I don't
think Joe was arrogant. 

751
00:37:21,720 --> 00:37:23,880
I think he was just really 
wrestling with what he was going

752
00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:25,760
through, right? 
And he was trying to understand 

753
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:27,920
and, and God and his grace 
answered him, you know? 

754
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:32,000
Yeah, yeah, we can talk about 
Joe all all all day. 

755
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:34,280
I love that book. 
But I think he was talking, he's

756
00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:36,640
just, he's talking to the right 
person though he is. 

757
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:38,640
And that's something for us to 
think about too, is like when 

758
00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:43,440
we, when we have struggles, when
we have like anger, even like 

759
00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:46,320
towards our situation, we need 
to talk to the person who can 

760
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:49,760
help us and, and honestly, the, 
the, the source of all comfort, 

761
00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:53,760
the source of all joy, the 
source of anything good is God. 

762
00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:56,800
And if we, if we don't go to 
him, So I think, I mean, it's 

763
00:37:56,800 --> 00:38:00,440
like an honest conversation with
God is what Job's having right? 

764
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:03,400
And God doesn't rebuke him for 
being angry. 

765
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:04,920
He doesn't rebuke him for going 
through it. 

766
00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:07,080
He just says, Hey, I'm God and 
you're not. 

767
00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:10,520
And we need to remember that. 
We need to remember that. 

768
00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:12,480
So. 
Yeah, absolutely. 

769
00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:16,160
I liked how, I don't know if you
brought this out in the sermon, 

770
00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:20,800
but you just talked about Paul 
talks about it being like, like,

771
00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:23,920
like love being this, like this 
gift to us. 

772
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:25,440
That's like something that's 
going to exist. 

773
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:26,680
It's not going to pass away, 
right? 

774
00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:30,280
This is something that's going 
to be there in the new creation 

775
00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:31,640
as well. 
And I thought that was just, I 

776
00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:35,280
hadn't thought about that. 
Like this is a taste like the 

777
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:38,200
fact that we can love each 
other, the fact that we that we 

778
00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:40,920
can like be in these 
relationships with other people,

779
00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:43,080
like other believers, brothers 
and sisters in Christ. 

780
00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:46,000
That's a taste of heaven. 
And I just thought it was so 

781
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:50,240
beautiful to think about just 
this is what will remain. 

782
00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:54,080
Prophecies going to cease, tongs
will cease, but love will 

783
00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:56,560
remain. 
And so we need to remain in it. 

784
00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:59,000
It's so good. 
And isn't that so good? 

785
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:02,000
Like when you have a 
relationship like that, you 

786
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:05,280
know, like Job's friend sitting 
there for seven days, you know, 

787
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:09,320
when you have someone that you 
can go to and it's like they 

788
00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:12,960
don't try to fix it. 
They, they just, they just say, 

789
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:18,400
man, that sucks. 
Like I, I think I've shared this

790
00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:20,800
in a sermon too, but Simon Sinek
talking about like the friend 

791
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:22,480
who will just come and sit in 
the mud with you. 

792
00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:25,920
And I think, man, it, that's 
love right there. 

793
00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:28,800
And isn't that so much better 
than someone who can, has, has 

794
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:30,280
all the right answers? 
They have all the right 

795
00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:32,800
theology, You know, they know 
the right Bible, the Bible 

796
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:35,320
words, but it's like someone who
can just come like we talk about

797
00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:38,360
D groups so much, right? 
And this is we hope that anybody

798
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:41,200
who's not involved in one, like 
you need to be involved in one. 

799
00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:45,560
You need to be connected with 
men and women who will love you.

800
00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:48,400
You can share what God is 
teaching you in his word. 

801
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:50,640
And it's not just about, you 
know, growing in our 

802
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:54,080
understanding of God's word, but
it's about like confessing sin 

803
00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:57,040
and having three guys who'll be 
like, I get it. 

804
00:39:57,080 --> 00:40:00,080
I struggle with that too. 
Like let's pray about that. 

805
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:01,440
Like let's hold each other 
accountable. 

806
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:03,640
Let's help each other grow. 
And it's like that's. 

807
00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:06,000
That's love and that's 
relationship and that's 

808
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:09,440
fellowship. 
And when you have that for the 

809
00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:12,720
for if anybody is listening to 
this and you don't have that, 

810
00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:14,800
you really don't know what 
you're missing. 

811
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:18,200
Like like you may have a sense 
of like the superficial 

812
00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:20,880
relationships that you have with
your Co workers, your friends, 

813
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:23,200
your family members. 
You know, like you sort of feel 

814
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:25,920
like, yeah, I get sick of 
talking about weather and like 

815
00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:28,640
and you know, what's going on in
politics and whatever. 

816
00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:30,800
And you feel like those 
relationships are sort of like 

817
00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:34,280
on the surface, you don't know 
what you're missing when it 

818
00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:36,680
comes to like a group of a group
of people who are willing to go 

819
00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:40,720
deep and to grow spiritually 
together and to talk about your 

820
00:40:40,720 --> 00:40:44,160
heart and to talk about sin and 
to talk about how do I love my 

821
00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:46,200
wife better? 
How do I serve my kids better? 

822
00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:49,960
How do I love Christ better. 
It's you'll you'll never go back

823
00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:53,160
to like any other superficial 
conversation or relationship 

824
00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:55,000
will just feel totally. 
It's just not worth it. 

825
00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:57,640
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 
And then the testimonies that 

826
00:40:57,640 --> 00:40:59,640
are coming out of people who are
in groups is like, it's life 

827
00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:01,840
changing. 
That's exactly what I need. 

828
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:03,720
I'm looking forward to it every 
week. 

829
00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:06,200
Like can we just do it again 
tomorrow? 

830
00:41:06,240 --> 00:41:08,080
Those are the types of things 
that I've heard so. 

831
00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:10,520
Well, that's sort of the 
testimony like Ryan, you 

832
00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:13,640
mentioned like people who want 
to join the evangelism group, 

833
00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:16,200
they need to have been in AD 
group and we do still run them 

834
00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:19,840
on Wednesdays. 
And so that's actually what you 

835
00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:21,920
just said, Jonah, that like 
people want to continue them. 

836
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:24,120
That's actually been the 
testimony from some of these 

837
00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:25,720
groups that that have been 
running. 

838
00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:28,440
We, we, we ran for eight weeks 
this tomorrow. 

839
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:31,200
Is just getting started. 
Tomorrow is tomorrow is week 8 

840
00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:33,800
and that really is the time when
you're just starting to get 

841
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:35,200
really comfortable with each 
other. 

842
00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:38,280
And both a couple of these 
groups have already said we're 

843
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:41,160
just going to keep going. 
And it's like, that's just 

844
00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:43,000
amazing, right? 
Because once you get in there, 

845
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:45,360
you're like, this is incredible.
Like I've never had anything 

846
00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:48,120
like this in my life. 
A. 100% So it's definitely worth

847
00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:50,240
it. 
Yeah. 

848
00:41:50,240 --> 00:41:52,400
And like, the reason that it 
would be required for somebody 

849
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:54,920
going out to evangelism is 
because you need to be a 

850
00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:56,320
Christian before you evangelize 
it, right? 

851
00:41:56,320 --> 00:41:59,320
And so like, some way you find 
out, like is my faith real or 

852
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:00,360
not? 
Is when you get with other 

853
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:02,000
people and you start to talk 
about faith, right? 

854
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:04,760
You, you understand more, you 
understand God more deeply. 

855
00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:07,560
And it's helpful when you're out
there evangelizing. 

856
00:42:07,560 --> 00:42:09,800
So yeah, yeah, you can't help 
someone to be saved if you're 

857
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:10,800
not saved. 
That's right. 

858
00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:14,000
So yeah. 
So yeah, another plug for D 

859
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:15,320
groups. 
I don't know, this is like 

860
00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:17,680
episode 15. 
We've probably done it 15 times 

861
00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:19,200
so. 
We'll keep doing. 

862
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:20,920
It we'll keep doing it, so get 
ready for that. 

863
00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:22,400
I'm gonna put you guys on the 
spot one more time. 

864
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:24,280
Well, one more, one more 
question for Joe. 

865
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:26,280
The sermon. 
This question always comes. 

866
00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:30,280
Do you have This is the last 
chance you have to talk about 

867
00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:33,840
this text, at least for like 
this minute. 

868
00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:34,920
Now what else do you want to 
add? 

869
00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:41,480
Oh, man, yeah, I, I, yeah, I 
don't know. 

870
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:45,720
I just, I guess just think and 
pray, think and pray through 

871
00:42:45,720 --> 00:42:46,240
that. 
Right. 

872
00:42:46,240 --> 00:42:49,000
Like I, I think I sort of 
challenged people to think 

873
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:51,800
about, you know, well, am I 
acting loving towards people? 

874
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:53,960
And I guess I would just really 
encourage people to think and 

875
00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:57,640
pray through that, right? 
Like, do you really love the 

876
00:42:57,640 --> 00:43:01,760
people here at this church? 
You know, when you come here, do

877
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:03,480
you really love them? 
And I have to ask myself that 

878
00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:06,160
question, right? 
Like, am I serving out of love 

879
00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:08,240
or am I serving out of duty, 
right. 

880
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:12,960
And, and as pastors, that, that 
adds a, that adds a layer of, I 

881
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:15,440
don't want to say it's harder 
for, for us than everybody else,

882
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:18,000
but it does add a layer of 
complexity for us that's not 

883
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:21,360
there for other people because 
it's also our job, right? 

884
00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:24,680
Like we're also, we're also paid
to do this, but we all have to 

885
00:43:24,680 --> 00:43:27,960
ask ourselves that question and 
go, am I serving out of love? 

886
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:29,720
And, and, and even in preaching,
right? 

887
00:43:30,720 --> 00:43:35,360
Am I going to be strong and 
convictional about my sermon in 

888
00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:38,160
a harsh and domineering sort of 
way? 

889
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:42,120
Or am I just going to be strong 
enough that I'm, that I'm luring

890
00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:45,600
them in because, because God's 
word is uncomfortable, right? 

891
00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:48,640
We had a professor who in our 
counseling class he, he used 

892
00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:53,000
this analogy of like God's, it's
like the piercing comfort of 

893
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:55,000
God's word. 
It's like, on the one hand, it, 

894
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:58,360
like it pierces your soul 
because it's uncomfortable. 

895
00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:02,680
And it says, man, you're, you 
don't love as you ought to and 

896
00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:07,280
your service is nothing, but 
then it comforts you by giving 

897
00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:10,000
you sort of the antidote to the 
problem, which is you need to 

898
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:14,240
lean on Christ more so that he 
through his Spirit can help you 

899
00:44:14,240 --> 00:44:18,040
to love as you ought to love. 
And so I, I think that's sort of

900
00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:19,920
like, I guess that would be my 
encouragement to people to 

901
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:21,680
really be thinking and praying 
about that. 

902
00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:23,760
And again, don't just try harder
yourself. 

903
00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:26,920
Lean on Christ, pray. 
You need to wake up every day 

904
00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:29,240
before you come to church. 
Before you come to serve, be 

905
00:44:29,240 --> 00:44:33,600
praying about having a right 
heart to love the people that 

906
00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:34,920
you're serving. 
That's good. 

907
00:44:35,720 --> 00:44:36,360
That's good. 
Yeah. 

908
00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:39,160
That's, that's what sort of I 
was thinking too, is like, I was

909
00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:42,200
thinking about Romans 12, which 
was what we used to open the 

910
00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:45,520
service with. 
And Paul says take the lead in 

911
00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:48,080
honoring one another. 
Just you take the lead. 

912
00:44:48,080 --> 00:44:49,440
That's acting out your love, 
right? 

913
00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:52,120
Your love for each other. 
So very good. 

914
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:53,080
Good. 
Last word. 

915
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:55,320
So this is where I'm gonna put 
you on the spot. 

916
00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:56,880
I didn't tell you about this at 
the beginning. 

917
00:44:57,120 --> 00:44:59,320
Hopefully you've been listening 
to the latest episodes. 

918
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:01,560
Maybe you have something, maybe 
you don't. 

919
00:45:01,560 --> 00:45:04,760
I hope you do. 
What's one thing that you like 

920
00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:08,000
right now that you want to share
with the like with our church? 

921
00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:10,680
Oh, I thought about this. 
OK, you got something? 

922
00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:12,360
But I forget. 
OK, Joe. 

923
00:45:12,520 --> 00:45:16,000
What about you? 
OK, yeah I have. 

924
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:18,520
I have been listening to a book 
by. 

925
00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:22,560
You and your book listening. 
I'm good with it. 

926
00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:24,000
It's good. 
It's good. 

927
00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:28,280
I find it helpful. 
It's like I sometimes I would 

928
00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:31,720
like to sit down and read more. 
I I find physical reading to be 

929
00:45:31,720 --> 00:45:35,080
much more beneficial than than 
just audio listening. 

930
00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:38,120
But sometimes it's nice to just 
listen to something while you're

931
00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:39,680
doing stuff. 
But this book is called The 

932
00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:43,160
Conviction to Lead by Albert 
Mohler. 

933
00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:45,960
Big Al Oh, sorry, sorry, Doctor 
Mohler. 

934
00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:49,560
He would never listen to this 
podcast, so I'm going. 

935
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:52,160
To send it to a person. 
Like you need to listen to this 

936
00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:54,200
file my the poem will get 
revoked. 

937
00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:57,960
He's, he's the, the president of
the seminary that we attended 

938
00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:00,040
and called the conviction to 
lead. 

939
00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:03,320
And he just, he talks about, you
know, leadership and having 

940
00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:07,080
conviction in your leadership 
and, you know, a leader and, and

941
00:46:07,080 --> 00:46:09,960
the, the characteristics that he
is supposed to embody. 

942
00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:12,320
And one of the things that stood
out to me, I think it was pretty

943
00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:15,440
much the beginning of the book 
that he says when a leader walks

944
00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:18,000
into a room, conviction better 
follow him. 

945
00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:21,960
And that has just been a real 
challenge for me to think 

946
00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:26,440
through am IA conviction a 
leader, you know, and and this 

947
00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:29,280
doesn't mean this doesn't mean 
that you're just like drag 

948
00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:31,640
people along behind you and you 
bowl your way through that. 

949
00:46:31,640 --> 00:46:34,440
That's not what it means. 
What it means is like, you 

950
00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:38,920
better be sure of what you 
believe, confident of what you 

951
00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:42,600
believe, so that you know where 
you're leading people, because 

952
00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:45,680
if you don't, then you're not, 
then you won't go anywhere. 

953
00:46:46,240 --> 00:46:48,040
And so it just been, it's been 
real. 

954
00:46:48,600 --> 00:46:51,480
It's been challenging to me, you
know, that like, am I stepping 

955
00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:54,440
back and, and thinking about 
direction and, and where we're 

956
00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:57,720
headed as a pastoral team and, 
and where we're going as a 

957
00:46:57,720 --> 00:46:59,800
church and just having 
conviction. 

958
00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:02,440
So, and you know, one of the 
ones that we would say this, 

959
00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:06,400
this is like the I thing that we
stand on, you know, as pastors 

960
00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:11,320
and as a church, that God's word
is authoritative for every area 

961
00:47:11,320 --> 00:47:14,240
of life. 
We think that the Bible, it 

962
00:47:14,240 --> 00:47:17,520
leads and guides us into 
absolutely, it governs every 

963
00:47:17,520 --> 00:47:20,240
area of our life. 
And so that's the church that we

964
00:47:20,240 --> 00:47:22,960
want to build. 
And that's, that's the truth and

965
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:25,280
the truth of God's word that we 
want to build it that everything

966
00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:27,200
that we do is informed by God's 
word. 

967
00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:29,960
So like absolutely everything. 
And so everything that we do as 

968
00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:32,520
a church, we want it to point 
back to Christ, to point back to

969
00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:35,520
the to the Bible, that we can 
prove through God's Word that 

970
00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:37,120
this is how we ought to be doing
it. 

971
00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:39,800
Every ministry is a ministry of 
the Word. 

972
00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:40,760
Absolutely. 
Yeah. 

973
00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:42,760
So that's that's awesome 
conviction to leave. 

974
00:47:42,760 --> 00:47:43,800
We'll put that in the show 
notes. 

975
00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:46,680
So I've been listening to a 
book. 

976
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:48,520
You started a trend. 
I like it. 

977
00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:52,680
Yeah, it's Don't Waste Your Life
by John Piper. 

978
00:47:52,680 --> 00:47:53,840
Johnny Pipe. 
Good stuff. 

979
00:47:53,840 --> 00:47:58,320
It's it's unbelievable. 
Like it's, it's one of the few 

980
00:47:58,320 --> 00:48:02,160
books that like, it just makes 
me almost want to stop reading 

981
00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:04,080
and just go work for the 
Kingdom. 

982
00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:08,160
Like it just like he just puts 
in such plain simple terms of 

983
00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:13,200
like, what do you want to waste 
your life here on earth? 

984
00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:16,800
Or do you want to spend it 
working for God, working for the

985
00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:17,960
Kingdom? 
Like what? 

986
00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:19,560
What's the point here on earth, 
right? 

987
00:48:19,840 --> 00:48:22,520
It's to glorify God and enjoy 
him forever, right? 

988
00:48:22,680 --> 00:48:26,840
And, and that's basically the 
point of this book is like he, I

989
00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:30,840
was recently, I'm, I'm halfway 
through, but in the part that I 

990
00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:33,560
just said, like there was a 
chapter that said, like, do you 

991
00:48:33,560 --> 00:48:36,400
want to waste 40 years and 
thousands of lives? 

992
00:48:36,600 --> 00:48:38,160
I was like, oh boy, what's he 
going to talk about? 

993
00:48:38,680 --> 00:48:42,560
And he talks about like how the 
Israelites, when they sent those

994
00:48:42,560 --> 00:48:46,720
few spies into the land of 
Canaan, he said those few people

995
00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:51,280
that were not faithful to God, 
they wasted 40 years and 

996
00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:55,360
thousands of lives of people who
died in the desert, right. 

997
00:48:55,360 --> 00:49:00,200
And so it's like what we do now 
is going to affect people, 

998
00:49:00,200 --> 00:49:03,040
right? 
And it was like, it just blows 

999
00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:04,160
me away. 
Yeah, yeah. 

1000
00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:07,080
Well, that makes me think of 
like, I, that makes me think of 

1001
00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:10,320
man, I one of the things I love 
to see is like the older 

1002
00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:14,200
generation being faithful. 
Like we have, like we have older

1003
00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:16,280
folks in our church, like 
whether they're deacons or 

1004
00:49:16,280 --> 00:49:18,360
people in our church who've just
been, they've been serving and 

1005
00:49:18,360 --> 00:49:20,800
they're being faithful to serve 
their whole life and spend their

1006
00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:23,200
life for Christ. 
And I'm like, I'm blown away by 

1007
00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:24,520
that. 
And not just them, but like 

1008
00:49:24,600 --> 00:49:27,440
people in our church who are 
serving and they're faithful to 

1009
00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:29,520
serve. 
And that's so encouraging to me.

1010
00:49:29,960 --> 00:49:31,480
Like I was at the golf course 
this morning. 

1011
00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:34,160
I, I was working there cutting 
the holes and I was just 

1012
00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:37,440
chatting with this old guy and 
he was just, he was telling me 

1013
00:49:37,440 --> 00:49:40,960
about him and his wife and their
routine over the last few years 

1014
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:45,240
and how many golf holes they 
golf and when they sit at home 

1015
00:49:45,240 --> 00:49:48,680
and do the dishes. 
And I was just like, it was so 

1016
00:49:48,680 --> 00:49:50,720
sad. 
It was so sad to me to think 

1017
00:49:50,720 --> 00:49:54,480
that, like, your whole week 
revolves around how much golf 

1018
00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:57,520
you play and then what you do 
when you get home after that. 

1019
00:49:57,520 --> 00:50:00,400
And it's like, what a waste of a
life. 

1020
00:50:00,560 --> 00:50:02,800
Yeah, you're wasting your life, 
you know? 

1021
00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:05,520
And then when I see people, 
like, spending it for the gospel

1022
00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:08,040
and for the Kingdom, it's just 
like, such an encouragement. 

1023
00:50:08,640 --> 00:50:10,560
It sounds like a good book. 
I might default find that one. 

1024
00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:12,080
It's really good, don't waste 
your life. 

1025
00:50:12,080 --> 00:50:13,800
I have it on my bookshelf if 
you'd like to read it. 

1026
00:50:14,040 --> 00:50:16,440
And John Piper, I think pretty 
much like. 

1027
00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:19,680
If you want an ebook of anything
John Piper has ever written, you

1028
00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:22,800
can find them all free online. 
Desiring God dot dot org you can

1029
00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:25,240
find every ebook every book has 
ever written is free. 

1030
00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:26,800
Yeah, which? 
I didn't even. 

1031
00:50:26,800 --> 00:50:30,920
Know you will be better for 
reading John Piper. 

1032
00:50:30,920 --> 00:50:33,000
Books you'll be reading to the 
end of your life, but you. 

1033
00:50:33,680 --> 00:50:34,720
Right. 
He's written a ton of stuff. 

1034
00:50:34,720 --> 00:50:36,920
Read your Bible first. 
Yeah, and then read. 

1035
00:50:37,120 --> 00:50:39,240
And then read John Piper. 
Good point for. 

1036
00:50:39,800 --> 00:50:46,480
For me, the thing I like is I 
have this picture on my next to 

1037
00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:49,720
my coffee pot. 
It's called the daily ritual or 

1038
00:50:49,720 --> 00:50:53,120
the daily liturgy for the ritual
of a morning coffee. 

1039
00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:56,320
And it comes from every moment 
holy, which is a book of 

1040
00:50:56,320 --> 00:50:58,600
liturgies. 
And I just want to read it to 

1041
00:50:58,600 --> 00:51:01,400
kind of close this out. 
My wife sent it to me this 

1042
00:51:01,400 --> 00:51:05,760
morning and yeah, it, it just 
hits, it hits home sometimes 

1043
00:51:05,760 --> 00:51:07,120
when you're if you're going 
through something hard. 

1044
00:51:07,640 --> 00:51:10,240
I think about this. 
Yeah, it says. 

1045
00:51:10,240 --> 00:51:12,560
It says. 
This says Meet me, O Christ, in 

1046
00:51:12,560 --> 00:51:16,240
the stillness of mourning. 
Move me, O Spirit, to quiet my 

1047
00:51:16,240 --> 00:51:18,760
heart. 
Mend me, O Father, from 

1048
00:51:18,760 --> 00:51:22,160
yesterday's harms. 
From the discords of yesterday, 

1049
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:26,000
resurrect my peace. 
From the discouragements of 

1050
00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:30,520
yesterday, resurrect my hope. 
From the weariness of yesterday,

1051
00:51:30,840 --> 00:51:34,080
resurrect my strength. 
From the doubts of yesterday, 

1052
00:51:34,360 --> 00:51:37,440
resurrect my faith. 
From the wounds of yesterday, 

1053
00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:42,280
resurrect my love. 
Let me enter this new day aware 

1054
00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:46,480
of my need and awake to your 
grace, O Lord, Amen. 

1055
00:51:47,560 --> 00:51:50,520
And that that that book is full 
of those types of prayers. 

1056
00:51:50,520 --> 00:51:54,560
There's one for like, there's 
one for all sorts of things, 

1057
00:51:54,560 --> 00:51:57,600
like for moving, for the loss of
a pet. 

1058
00:51:58,000 --> 00:52:00,480
So like you, you know, like, 
what do you say when you have 

1059
00:52:00,480 --> 00:52:02,640
children? 
He's mourned this loss of this, 

1060
00:52:02,840 --> 00:52:04,240
this living being that lived in 
your house. 

1061
00:52:04,240 --> 00:52:08,760
We've said we've read that one 
four times this year, which is 

1062
00:52:08,760 --> 00:52:11,160
sort of a crazy thing to say, 
but like there's, but it's just 

1063
00:52:11,160 --> 00:52:15,120
helpful for it to give you sort 
of like a, a prayer because not 

1064
00:52:15,120 --> 00:52:16,360
all prayers need to be 
spontaneous. 

1065
00:52:16,360 --> 00:52:19,840
Sometimes just reading a prayer 
that's written well and it 

1066
00:52:19,840 --> 00:52:23,200
points you to Christ like this 
one does, and it's pointing you 

1067
00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:24,720
to the resurrection. 
I don't know if you picked up on

1068
00:52:24,720 --> 00:52:27,600
that like you want to. 
I'm, I'm going to get preached 

1069
00:52:27,600 --> 00:52:31,520
in a couple weeks and it talks 
about the, the, the centrality 

1070
00:52:31,520 --> 00:52:32,880
of the resurrection to the 
gospel. 

1071
00:52:33,160 --> 00:52:35,320
Paul's going to start that in 15
and go through the end of the 

1072
00:52:35,320 --> 00:52:37,960
end of the book talking about 
the importance of the 

1073
00:52:37,960 --> 00:52:40,600
resurrection. 
And, and I like the way this 

1074
00:52:40,600 --> 00:52:43,080
prayer brings it in. 
It's like there there is some 

1075
00:52:43,160 --> 00:52:46,680
something that that that the 
Lord can resurrect in you, 

1076
00:52:46,680 --> 00:52:47,840
right? 
He can give you hope for the 

1077
00:52:47,840 --> 00:52:49,320
day. 
So I just thought it was really 

1078
00:52:49,320 --> 00:52:51,080
good. 
Every moment. 

1079
00:52:51,080 --> 00:52:52,320
Holy. 
There's two volumes now. 

1080
00:52:53,080 --> 00:52:54,720
But anyway, that's, that's my 
thing. 

1081
00:52:54,720 --> 00:52:56,160
I like at the moment. 
That's good. 

1082
00:52:57,360 --> 00:52:59,480
Well, anybody have anything else
they want to share before we 

1083
00:52:59,480 --> 00:53:02,000
close this thing out? 
Nope. 

1084
00:53:02,600 --> 00:53:03,440
Nope. 
Evangelize. 

1085
00:53:03,440 --> 00:53:04,520
Evangelize. 
Go get them. 

1086
00:53:05,320 --> 00:53:09,040
Yeah, we'll, we'll also, we'll 
put Ryan's e-mail address in the

1087
00:53:09,040 --> 00:53:11,040
in the show notes so maybe 
everybody can e-mail about 

1088
00:53:11,160 --> 00:53:14,400
Emily. 
We we the evangelism team has an

1089
00:53:14,400 --> 00:53:15,480
e-mail. 
Oh, that's right, it's. 

1090
00:53:15,720 --> 00:53:19,080
Jesus saves at. 
Jesussaves@lynnchurch.com.ca. 

1091
00:53:19,200 --> 00:53:20,800
Yeah, great. 
We'll put that in there. 

1092
00:53:21,000 --> 00:53:22,840
If you have questions about 
that, you want to get involved, 

1093
00:53:23,360 --> 00:53:25,360
we encourage you to do so. 
We encourage you to ask 

1094
00:53:25,360 --> 00:53:29,000
questions and we're happy to to 
have you to point you in the 

1095
00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:32,320
right direction. 
So with that being said, LEMC, 

1096
00:53:32,320 --> 00:53:35,120
we love you. 
We're praying for you and we'll 

1097
00:53:35,120 --> 00:53:37,520
see you next week. 
Bye bye.