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Welcome to be on Sunday, an 
extension of the preaching 

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ministry here at Leamington EMC.
My name is Jonah Chitty and I am

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joined as always by Pastor Joe 
Penner. 

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Woo. 
Hoo woo, it's really cold 

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outside today, Joe. 
It is bitter. 

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I got I got a funny story. 
This will be this will be coming

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out on Wednesday of this week. 
And I would do. 

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We just heard that they're 
cancelling school in in Alabama 

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where we're from because it's 
going to get really cold, really

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cold, like in the 20s in 
Fahrenheit. 

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I don't know. 
That's like, plus, I don't know,

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I don't even know what it is it.
Would be like minus I I don't 

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know either. 
Probably a -, 2 or 3 or 4 or 

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something like that. 
In their defense, it's supposed 

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to sleet and have like ice storm
and they have no infrastructure,

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but they're going to can't they 
cancel school from today, which 

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is Monday all the way to 
Thursday. 

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Wow. 
I know it's like, hey, I know 

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kids enjoy it, right? 
If you're from Florida, Alabama 

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area and you're getting sleet 
and snow, just know we had a 

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foot over the last week and 
everybody just kept doing 

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whatever they do. 
Well, it's funny, I know. 

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Maybe not a foot, I don't know. 
It was probably more like 6 or 8

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inches. 
I don't know. 

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I know a lot of people here at 
our church would know people 

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from Manitoba and I have family 
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And like they, they have, they 
cancel school when it gets too 

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cold, but that's like -35 or 
like -40 which I don't know what

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that would be in fair. 
Enough. 

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I think they're the same -35 and
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meet and they're the same, yeah 
-40 is -40. 

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That reminds me of a, a comedian
that I was listening to, I think

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it was Jeff Allen and he was 
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or something like that. 
And he's, he's there and he's 

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like, I went there and he's and 
it was negative 80 and he's like

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and that means it could warm up 
80° and it would only be 0. 

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That's crazy. 
Oh man, that's cold. 

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That is freezing. 
Yeah, it is very cold. 

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Very, very cold today. 
So my Florida feet are freezing 

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because I'm still wearing Crocs.
You know, Crocs. 

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I'm wearing socks, though. 
I'm wearing socks. 

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Crocs and socks. 
Crocs and socks Joe, you preach.

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I'm going to say it. 
I'm going to say it like very 

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proudly, like your last two 
sermons have been like some of 

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the best ones I've heard you 
preach. 

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So I, I really appreciated your 
sermon Sunday. 

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I'm not trying to like make your
head expand so you can't walk 

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out the door or anything like 
that. 

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I just felt like the Lord used 
it and maybe that's just because

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of where I needed to be. 
You know what I needed to hear 

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at the right time where I am in 
my own personal spiritual walk. 

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But you preach the sermon from 
Nehemiah chapter 2. 

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You started at verse 11 and went
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chapter. 
Yes, Sir. 

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And your sermon was pursue a God
sized vision for your life. 

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You want to give us a recap? 
Yeah, yeah. 

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So I I started out with the 
illustration from from 

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scripture, the Tower of Babel in
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make a name for themselves. 
Wait, hang on there. 

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I think we're just going to plug
Bible reading. 

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Yeah, because that probably came
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Absolutely. 
OK, You're reading in Genesis. 

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Yeah. 
And you're studying for Nehemiah

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and and also in the Lord. 
The Lord shows you an example or

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an illustration from Genesis 
that would be useful in your 

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sermon in Nehemiah. 
Yeah, your Bible reading 

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matters. 
It does. 

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I can't tell you how many times 
that happened last year, whether

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it was, you know, our New 
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going through or it was like our
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memorizing the Sermon on the 
Mount. 

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Like I can't tell you how many 
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what I was preaching or going 
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Or singing I noticed sometimes 
the you would use the songs like

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the the scripture from the like 
between the song and the opening

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scripture and then the 
benediction would come from the 

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Bible reading from that week. 
It is so true it it it does 

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matter. 
It does help absolutely. 

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It helps shape and form you, So 
anyway, right? 

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And for? 
Everybody else, I mean, you 

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know, you're not preparing a 
sermon, but it will do the same 

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thing for you, for things that 
you're going through in your 

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life. 
Like also you'll be like, wow, 

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this ties in exactly with what 
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Going I was having a 
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Wednesday night just about that 
same thing, 'cause we're talking

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about Bible reading as a 
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And it came up, they were just 
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how often that what I'm reading 
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going through that week. 
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not, it's not, it's not really 
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It's not a surprise. 
It's not at all the Lord knows 

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and and again that just to sort 
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thinking that, you know, like 
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we picked First Corinthians at 
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Yeah. 
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as we're in, you know, First 
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whatever, we're in and I'm like,
and that what I'm reading in the

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Bible plan is exactly 
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in that chapter in First 
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I'm like, man, the Lord is. 
Just he knows. 

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It's like, you know, he knew 
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And it's, yeah, he knows. 
He knows what we need at the 

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right time. 
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And that's that's so comforting.
It is his sovereignty is so 

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comforting. 
It is so comforting. 

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I cut you off. 
I'm sorry. 

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You started with an illustration
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Yeah. 
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to make a name for themselves 
and the Lord sort of interrupts 

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what they're doing to, to, to 
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accomplish, right? 
So they, they found themselves 

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working against God. 
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redirect them so they would 
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accomplish. 
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that we need to pursue a God 
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You know, we need to come 
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doing, which is exactly what 
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You know, he found himself in a 
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time in history, and he came 
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What God was doing, you know, 
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heart. 
He was bringing about these 

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events in his life. 
He was sharing what was going on

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in Jerusalem. 
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And the Lord laid this vision on
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like he might not have picked 
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recognized himself, but the Lord
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life. 
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maybe he was happy. 
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there. 
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been right, but maybe he was. 
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I have a lot to lose here. 
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situation. 
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for something bigger than 
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doing, a God sized vision. 
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to seek a God sized opportunity.
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Jerusalem, he begins, you know, 
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seeking God in secret, right? 
He's going out in the rubble by 

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himself. 
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what, what God is revealing to 
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And he's seeking God in the 
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And he's, he's trying to discern
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do, how he's going to do it, 
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seeking God in secret. 
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anybody yet. 
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with an illustration about a 
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and it has these leaks and these
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you know, it led to disaster, 
but I applied that to our lives.

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And how many times do are are we
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And we need to do that so that 
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look at what does God want me to
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It's something that I didn't 
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that I kind of wanted to tie in 
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of times it's like we we can see
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life and for now we're just sort
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Yeah. 
Let's talk about your Bible 

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reading being relevant. 
Well, this morning I read about 

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Lot and a lot like God warns him
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And it's like it says, but lot 
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And it's like, man, how many 
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sin? 
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this, where is that going to 
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years, in 15 years, in 20 years?
It's like, where is this going 

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to lead me? 
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Right. 
And so like, recognize those 

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warning signs and do something 
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But again, don't do hasty things
because I think so many times we

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just make empty promises, right?
Like, oh, yeah, I need to do 

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that. 
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I'm going to I'm going to do 
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really felt the pain. 
You haven't even, you haven't 

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really sat in the rubble and 
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trying to do in that situation. 
But all in that rubble, in those

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broken parts of your life, 
that's a, that's a God sized 

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opportunity for him to do 
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you. 
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now share your God sized vision.
This is where Nehemiah shares 

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with the people what he's doing.
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requires teamwork. 
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alongside you and help you can't
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own. 
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going to be working behind the 
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can't do. 
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with an illustration about 
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trust in himself and applied 
that to us and go, you know, we,

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it is so easy for us to think 
that we can do things on our 

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own, but we need other people. 
We need God and we need to learn

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to trust in those people. 
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share that vision with other 
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come alongside you, to help you 
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submit to a God sized God. 
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come. 
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Nehemiah. 
They started to come and slander

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them and, and try to make them 
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And my, my sub points there were
that when your plans are God's 

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plans, they will succeed. 
Nehemiah trusted that God was 

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going to make them prosper. 
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enemies, they will fail. 
You know, even they were rising 

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up against them. 
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guys don't have any right? 
You don't have any claim. 

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You don't have any portion of 
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you're you're an enemy of God 
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And I used an illustration there
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know, David, you know, the only 
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God who is bigger than what 
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And you know, we need to do that
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to have this holy stubbornness 
that TJ Betts that quote that I 

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mentioned that when enemies rise
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conviction that we're we're 
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do. 
That's been clear to this point.

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And so therefore, we're just 
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we're doing because we know that
God is going to give it success.

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And then at the end of the 
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this whole, this whole book 
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walking in the road to Emmaus, 
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disciples, how the Old Testament
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typology is the word. 
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It's like Christ is Nehemiah is 
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He actually foreshadows what 
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worship, inspecting the city, 
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He comes and he, he, he preaches
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the Kingdom of God and he shows 
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with God and that relationship 
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example and be willing to give 
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He's doing and has done for us. 
Yeah, yeah, it was a good 

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sermon. 
A lot of good stuff in there. 

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I like the typology stuff at the
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I'm a little nerdy and when it 
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pointed out. 
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pointing it out like and and 
going back and forth in the 

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sermon. 
You you went, I think I don't 

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know how long it took you maybe 
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back and forth and giving us 
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Christ perfectly did what 
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Yeah, it's good. 
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opportunity. 
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about that seeking God in secret
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I don't know if I was convicted 
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just, he wanted to be, he wanted
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life and not someone else. 
And like, how often am I just 

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like so quick to avoid prayer 
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someone else and say, Hey, what 
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Right. 
What do you think about that? 

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Yeah, maybe you should do this 
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OK, no, I need to, I need to 
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and let him influence me. 
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And instead of others. 
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really helpful. 
That is so true. 

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It's like it's God is not, not 
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A lot of times it's like, like I
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answer or if I want to think of 
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Google or yeah, I'll, there's 
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somebody wrote about this or 
like, like you said, a friend or

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a counselor or somebody around 
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Which are all good things, 
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They are. 
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they're our first, like our 
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God. 
That's the that's where we mess 

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up. 
And man, I, I was just convicted

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by that. 
Nehemiah wants God to be the 

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influence and he didn't tell 
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He wants to go and inspect, just
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was another thing like, and 
you've mentioned that you were 

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preparing for this for like 2 
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So you were, you were, you were 
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don't know, two or three weeks, 
2 weeks at least and talking 

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about sitting in the rubble and 
just really like, like being 

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willing and open to pain. 
I don't know if that's, I don't 

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know how many people are willing
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It's hard, Yeah. 
Because I have, I have to 

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wrestle with the fact that I'm 
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And that's why it's so hard 
because none of us wants to feel

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like a failure, right? 
And, you know, that goes men and

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women, it doesn't matter who you
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It's like you. 
We feel the weight of of us 

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being a failure. 
And that's where you really have

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to be discerning about what 
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right? 
You know, because is it the 

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voice of God or is it the voice 
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Because the voice of the enemy 
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Nehemiah's enemies here. 
It's like it's going to be a 

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discouraging voice. 
I mean, what do you think you're

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trying to do? 
Like you can't do this. 

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Like you really think this is 
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That's the voice of the enemy. 
When that's the voice in your 

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head. 
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under spiritual warfare and 
spiritual attack and you need to

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run to the Lord. 
The Holy Spirit is. 

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This is why it takes discernment
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similarly wanting to make you 
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But that voice is not like, oh, 
you can't do that. 

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That voice is, hey, that area of
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Like I'm not content with that. 
You need to surrender that to 

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me. 
You need to come to me. 

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There's better things for you. 
It's, it's like a, a conviction 

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to, to become more holy and more
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That is the voice of the Lord 
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experience fullness and 
wholeness. 

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And so when it's a, when it's a 
voice that is not content to 

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leave you, you know, in your 
sin, that's the Lord. 

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It's the conviction of the Holy 
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When it's a discouragement or 
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that's the voice of the enemy. 
That's that's really helpful 

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thinking about because they're, 
I don't know if they're telling 

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you the same thing, but you 
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Whatever it is, right, you can't
beat it. 

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So like the enemy's telling you 
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The Holy Spirit's telling you 
that saying, hey, you know what,

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you need to like you said, 
surrender this to me. 

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That was really helpful. 
Yeah, that's really helpful. 

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Shift in thinking. 
It's subtle, but really like, 

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yeah, you need to surrender 
that. 

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That's something you need to 
let. 

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I'm not. 
And I like the way you said that

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too. 
The Holy Spirit says, I'm not 

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content with this in your life. 
Surrender that to me. 

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Like basically like that CS 
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And I told back I don't know how
many months ago now, like just 

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let me kill it, right? 
Let me kill this thing in your 

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life. 
Surrender it to me and let me 

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kill it. 
But we're just like lot, right? 

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It's like we linger and we just 
sort of like, man, I really want

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to give this over to God because
I mean, the reason we give in to

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sin is because sin feels good, 
at least for the moment, right? 

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It's never as satisfying as we 
think it's going to be, right? 

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But in the moment it's like we 
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Yeah, we do enjoy it. 
But as far as like, as far as 

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like seeking God in the rubble, 
I, I really thought like just 

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practical hands on like what 
should somebody do? 

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Like I'm thinking of an even in 
my life like schedule. 

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I'm literally like schedule a 
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And I need to do this for myself
this week too, like put an hour 

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in my schedule where I'm just 
going to go for a quiet walk and

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I'm literally just going to pray
and ask God to show me leaks and

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cracks in my life. 
Because, I mean, I, I think as I

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was preaching through that as 
people were listening, you're 

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probably getting a sense for 
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Yeah, for sure. 
You know, maybe it's like, hey, 

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you know what? 
I don't pray with my kids. 

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We're not reading the Bible 
together as a family. 

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I'm not praying with my wife. 
We don't attend church as 

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regularly as we should. 
We don't come to Bible. 

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I'm not reading my, but whatever
it is, right? 

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Like I can feel myself starting 
to take slippery roads at my job

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where it's like I'm more willing
to be dishonest or whatever it 

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is you you're noticing. 
Maybe everybody got a bit of a 

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sense. 
And I think you need to sit 

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alone with the Lord for an hour 
and think through that and pray 

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through that and help him. 
Have him help you come up with a

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vision of like, all right, what 
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Yeah. 
And what plan can I put in 

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place? 
Again, not an empty promise 

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like, oh, yeah, I will do that. 
No. 

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Give yourself actionable steps 
and then go and have someone 

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come alongside you to hold you 
accountable and help you with 

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that. 
Yeah, yeah, something like an 

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indicator, probably not like the
problem, but an indicator of a 

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problem in your heart. 
Like I've I've been reading a 

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poultry book called Dangerous 
Calling. 

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It's a book for pastors. 
But one thing that he keeps 

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saying in there, he kept keeps 
saying like an indicator that 

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you're, there's something going 
on in your heart. 

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Is this like if you're numbing 
yourself with like, like hours 

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of mindless television or social
media scrolling and it's he, he 

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repeats it. 
And like, if you spot yourself, 

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OK, my default now I just want 
to like withdraw from everybody 

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and I want to scroll in my phone
or I want to watch a show for 

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four hours, you know, whatever. 
Binge watch something that's an 

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indicator of a real problem in 
your heart. 

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And you know, you would you 
would say it's not I'm just I'm 

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just relaxing or I'm just trying
to like decompress. 

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But it's really an indicator 
that you're just trying to 

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withdraw from, from the world 
around you, right? 

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And I was convicted by that. 
So it's like a crack that's like

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you're looking for a crack. 
OK, You want to see that in your

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life. 
And then like, OK, what's really

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causing me to want to like do 
this? 

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Because it's not the show, 
right? 

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You know what I mean? 
It's not, it's not that 

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interesting, right? 
There's nothing that interesting

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unless it's like a football 
game. 

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It's like playoffs, right? 
Yeah, which are interesting. 

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I'm just defending myself for 
watching 8 hours of football on 

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Saturday. 
So anyway, no, oh man. 

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But no, you know what I'm 
saying? 

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It's like it's not that 
interesting. 

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There is, there is a deeper 
problem. 

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There is a crack or a leak 
somewhere in your life that 

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you're you're trying to plug 
with something else. 

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Yeah. 
And so I think it's really good 

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to think about like, like the 
taking that one hour and just 

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asking the Lord to reveal, yeah,
our sin to us, like the, the 

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things that we think we don't 
have. 

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Like, you know, I was thinking 
back to Kyle's sermon. 

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People think they're sinless, 
You know, somebody's think 

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you're sinless. 
No, you need to confess that. 

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You need to ask the Lord to show
you where you're. 

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Yeah, where you're sinning 
because you are. 

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Yeah. 
There's something in your life 

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so. 
Yeah. 

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And something I, I last week, I 
had this, this thought as I was 

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thinking, you know, I was 
thinking about, you know, like I

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start the day off with, with the
word and with prayer and 

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spending time with God. 
And I always feel very refreshed

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and energized and strengthened 
by that. 

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And I was thinking about how I 
schedule my day, you know, you 

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know, busy, like really deep 
work gets done in the mornings. 

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I try to like set that time 
aside. 

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But that was as I was thinking 
about, I was like, you know 

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what, I should schedule things 
that energize me. 

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Because it's like, you know, 
here, it's like I'm pouring out,

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right? 
I'm, I'm researching, I'm 

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studying, I'm like, I'm 
preparing a sermon. 

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I'm preparing whatever it is 
that I'm doing. 

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And I'm pouring out, right? 
And for everybody out there 

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who's listening, it's like 
whatever job you're doing, it's 

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like you're pouring out. 
It's like, I'm, I'm building 

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this house, I'm building this 
wall, I'm working at this 

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factory. 
It's like I'm, I'm pouring out. 

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I'm doing things for other 
people. 

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And I had this sense that it's 
like, you know, I should 

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schedule things in my life that 
pour back into me so that I can 

446
00:20:40,960 --> 00:20:42,960
now have strength. 
So one thing that I was thinking

447
00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:46,760
was I feel energized by like a 
like going for a coffee with 

448
00:20:46,760 --> 00:20:49,680
someone or like having a good 
conversation like that energizes

449
00:20:49,680 --> 00:20:52,000
and strengthens me. 
But as I was thinking about it, 

450
00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:55,080
I was like, you know, I really 
ought to spend time with the 

451
00:20:55,080 --> 00:20:59,200
Lord because he does that. 
That is his, that is him pouring

452
00:20:59,200 --> 00:21:01,280
into me. 
But I think the way I I needed 

453
00:21:01,280 --> 00:21:05,040
that shift in my mind to happen 
because I think a lot of times 

454
00:21:05,040 --> 00:21:09,560
the way the reason I avoid going
to God, whether it's reading or 

455
00:21:09,560 --> 00:21:14,680
prayer, is because for some 
weird reason, I think I'm 

456
00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:22,400
pouring out. 
I'm doing something for God, but

457
00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:24,640
I'm not right. 
I'm not doing something for God.

458
00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:30,040
I'm, I'm creating a, a way for 
him to pour into me by me coming

459
00:21:30,040 --> 00:21:33,680
to him in his word, by me 
praying, by me seeking his 

460
00:21:33,680 --> 00:21:36,960
wisdom and his guidance. 
He can pour into me. 

461
00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:39,840
And so I needed that shift in my
mind to go. 

462
00:21:40,080 --> 00:21:43,200
I need to go to the Lord because
that's His opportunity to fill 

463
00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:46,840
and strengthen me again with His
Spirit and give me energy and 

464
00:21:46,840 --> 00:21:48,560
strength to get through the rest
of the day. 

465
00:21:49,560 --> 00:21:53,320
That is like taking it from. 
I'm checking a box exactly. 

466
00:21:53,560 --> 00:21:57,080
I'm spending time with a person.
Exactly right, because again, a 

467
00:21:57,080 --> 00:21:58,680
lot that that's why you checked 
the box. 

468
00:21:58,680 --> 00:22:00,360
You're like all right, I did 
that thing for God. 

469
00:22:00,360 --> 00:22:03,080
Now God's happy with me again 
and we don't say that we we 

470
00:22:03,080 --> 00:22:04,920
don't talk like that. 
That is, but that 

471
00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:06,840
subconsciously. 
Is what you think, right? 

472
00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:10,640
Yeah. 
Oh, man, that's good stuff. 

473
00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:14,000
Solid gold. 
Really good. 

474
00:22:14,320 --> 00:22:18,080
OK. 
I liked the whole. 

475
00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:20,240
I love the whole sermon. 
I like the teamwork part. 

476
00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:24,480
We can't do it on our own, you 
know. 

477
00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:28,600
Yeah. 
And then that Samson story, I 

478
00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:32,240
love the the part where you said
that his pride led him to 

479
00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:35,360
believe that his strength came 
from his hair and not from God. 

480
00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:38,280
And as you were saying. 
And I was like realizing it, 

481
00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:42,200
like his sin was not that. 
And it was, it was thinking that

482
00:22:42,200 --> 00:22:45,280
that his vows, his Nazarite vow 
is what gave him strength. 

483
00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:48,080
Yeah. 
And how often, how often are we 

484
00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:51,680
like caught up in that? 
Like this mentality, like, OK, 

485
00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:55,080
it's our tradition or it's the 
ceremony or whatever this thing 

486
00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:59,920
is that does it for us, that 
gives us our strength, our power

487
00:22:59,920 --> 00:23:02,080
or whatever. 
Even meeting on Sunday, we 

488
00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:04,120
started to think like prioritize
these things. 

489
00:23:04,120 --> 00:23:08,280
Like this is what gives us no, 
God gives you anything. 

490
00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:11,240
It's all him, right? 
And dude, it's just such a big 

491
00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:14,480
view of God like that that 
Samson had a small view of God, 

492
00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:18,320
right? 
He said OK, my my abilities come

493
00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:21,640
from what I do for God, My vow I
gave to him and not from him 

494
00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:22,440
himself. 
Yeah. 

495
00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:26,480
And did that's something to 
think about like it requires God

496
00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:28,880
and then. 
Well, and like and like you're 

497
00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:31,800
saying too though, that it like 
that again, changes it from 

498
00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:34,200
checking a box to like pursuing 
God. 

499
00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:37,440
Yeah. 
It's not a + B = C It's like if 

500
00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:41,160
I do this, if I do that, then 
God will bless me and God will 

501
00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:43,440
reward me. 
God doesn't operate like that. 

502
00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:46,760
I mean, God does have standards 
for his people and he does have 

503
00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:49,920
rules and instructions to them 
to follow, but God is not a God.

504
00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:53,280
It just like it's, it's like a 
science experiment and you're 

505
00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:55,160
always going to get the same 
result every time you do 

506
00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:56,720
something. 
It's not right. 

507
00:23:57,040 --> 00:23:59,600
I've been thinking of like Ezra 
and Nehemiah here. 

508
00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:04,200
You have two different guys who 
go back to begin rebuilding what

509
00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:05,680
was broken down in Jerusalem, 
right? 

510
00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:09,480
Nehemiah, We've just Pastor Jake
talked to us about talked to us 

511
00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:13,920
about this last week where it's 
like he asked the king to go. 

512
00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:17,640
He asked the king for letters so
that he would get safe passage. 

513
00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:19,920
He asked for timber to rebuild 
the walls. 

514
00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:22,520
He you know what I mean? 
And he gave him an escort and he

515
00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:24,880
wasn't ashamed to ask for all 
that stuff, which seems like 

516
00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:29,040
maybe that doesn't seem weird. 
But Ezra, when he goes back, 

517
00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:33,400
he's like, I was way too ashamed
to ask for anything. 

518
00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:36,760
He didn't even ask for an escort
or anything because he was like,

519
00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:40,000
he recognized, well, if I'm 
saying that we trust in a big 

520
00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:43,560
God who can protect us and 
deliver us safely, that seems 

521
00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:47,000
sort of contradictory for me now
to ask for an escort. 

522
00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:49,400
And so he was just trusting in 
God, right? 

523
00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:51,880
So here you have two different 
guys who did things very, very 

524
00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:55,000
differently and yet God bless 
them both in what they were 

525
00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:56,520
doing. 
And I think for us to put God in

526
00:24:56,520 --> 00:25:00,560
this sort of box that makes it 
seem like if I do this, that I 

527
00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:02,680
will be blessed. 
That's just not how God. 

528
00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:05,320
Operates I know and you think to
like all through Scripture. 

529
00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:06,760
I'm going back to the reading 
plan. 

530
00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:09,480
Last week we saw the the 
covenant that God made with 

531
00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:13,720
Abram, right? 
Like, like what happened? 

532
00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:17,320
What happened when it came time 
to make the commitment, Abraham 

533
00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:19,880
is put into a deep sleep. 
Yeah. 

534
00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:22,440
He's not even part of it. 
He doesn't go through. 

535
00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:24,440
He doesn't. 
God is the one who makes the 

536
00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:27,320
commitment. 
Abraham's not even God knows 

537
00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:29,080
that Abraham can't keep it. 
Yep. 

538
00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:32,720
So I'm going to keep it like I 
am the one who is faithful. 

539
00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:35,040
Yeah. 
And how do we just forget man? 

540
00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:37,880
Yeah. 
That God cut the covenant. 

541
00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:39,040
Abraham didn't. 
Right. 

542
00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:42,040
And it was God's promise to 
Abraham, not a like a joint 

543
00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:44,200
venture, not like a handshake. 
OK. 

544
00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:46,200
If you do this, I do this. 
No, it's not that. 

545
00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:48,480
Right. 
God says I'm going to do this. 

546
00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:51,240
Yeah, and here is my commitment 
to you. 

547
00:25:51,360 --> 00:25:53,000
It's crazy for us to think of 
right? 

548
00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:54,960
Well, and the interesting thing 
about that I was sharing this 

549
00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:59,680
with my D group on the weekend 
is that who Who does God swear 

550
00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:01,280
by? 
Himself. 

551
00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:04,520
Himself because it's like. 
There's no higher authority, 

552
00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:05,920
right? 
There's no higher authority, 

553
00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:07,320
right? 
When we make a contract, if you 

554
00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:10,000
and I make a contract, if you 
break your, your end of the 

555
00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:12,800
deal, it's like I can go to the,
I can go to the local authority 

556
00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:15,720
or some, some court or some 
lawyer, some judge and he's 

557
00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:18,240
going to judge between US and 
he's going to make you fulfill 

558
00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:19,160
your end of the. 
Agreement. 

559
00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:21,560
It's based on whatever law of 
the state or a province you live

560
00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:22,920
in. 
Yeah, it's based on those laws. 

561
00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:25,880
Exactly. 
And God is like, he's so 

562
00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:28,560
powerful, so mighty. 
It's like, who is going to hold 

563
00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:32,000
God accountable? 
Nobody, no one can hold God 

564
00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:36,400
accountable because he's God. 
But he swears by himself because

565
00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:41,560
he's good and just. 
And it's like he is going to do 

566
00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:44,520
the right thing. 
And so we're, we're some people,

567
00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:47,200
their view of God is that he's a
tyrant or he can do whatever he 

568
00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:49,400
wants. 
And that's a scary thing We look

569
00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:54,240
at and go, well, God, He swears 
by himself because he alone is 

570
00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:56,280
righteous. 
He alone is just. 

571
00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:58,760
He alone is good. 
And man, what comfort should 

572
00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:01,240
that give to us? 
Because he is going to do the 

573
00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:03,760
right thing, man. 
It should. 

574
00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:07,120
It it If it doesn't blow you 
away, there's something wrong. 

575
00:27:07,120 --> 00:27:08,160
Right? 
Like it's it. 

576
00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:11,680
It's mind boggling. 
Yeah, it is mind boggling. 

577
00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:14,400
Well, and we see today, even in,
in today's writing, right, like 

578
00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:18,400
in Genesis 18, where Abraham's 
going to God, God's like man, 

579
00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:20,800
what are we going to do with 
Sodom and Gomorrah and Abraham 

580
00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:24,520
sitting there going, he's like, 
man, if there's 50 righteous 

581
00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:26,680
people in there, are you going 
to sweep away those righteous 

582
00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:28,480
people? 
And like his questions are 

583
00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:31,840
intense. 
Like he really, I'm just going 

584
00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:34,160
to quickly flip there so I can 
read it because it, it really 

585
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:38,720
blew my mind that he is, he 
seems really bold to God. 

586
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:43,960
And he says, Will you indeed 
sweep away the righteous with 

587
00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:46,840
the wicked? 
Suppose there are 50 righteous 

588
00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:49,480
within the city. 
Will you then sweep away the 

589
00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:52,720
place, and not spare it for the 
50 righteous who are in it? 

590
00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:56,720
And then listen to that. 
Far be it from you to do such a 

591
00:27:56,720 --> 00:28:00,640
thing, to put the righteous to 
the to death with the wicked, so

592
00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:02,640
that the righteous fare as the 
wicked. 

593
00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:07,320
Far be that from you? 
Shall not the judge of all the 

594
00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:10,760
earth do what is just? 
And I was really thinking about 

595
00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:13,680
that this morning. 
I'm like, where does Abraham get

596
00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:18,040
his theology, his understanding 
of who God is at this point, 

597
00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:20,440
Right. 
And it just really struck me 

598
00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:25,480
though, because I feel like God,
God was really patient with 

599
00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:29,680
Abraham in my mind because he's 
very bold in what he asks of 

600
00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:33,040
God, but he calls it like me. 
He's really stating that like 

601
00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:35,760
God is the judge of all the 
earth and he should do what is 

602
00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:38,800
right and God shows God's like, 
yeah, you know what? 

603
00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:40,440
If there's 50 righteous I will 
spirit. 

604
00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:45,160
But it's like Abraham 
understands that you know God. 

605
00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:46,760
He keeps going right. 
He goes down to 10, right? 

606
00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:51,480
Yep, he goes all the way down to
10 and and God shows his, his 

607
00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:55,200
mercy, his grace, even in that 
moment to do what is right, to 

608
00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:58,560
do the right thing. 
Where does he get his theology 

609
00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:00,840
about who God is? 
Is gets it from God himself, 

610
00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:02,320
right? 
He's spending time with him. 

611
00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:04,840
Yeah, that's the lesson for us 
there, right? 

612
00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:09,800
Man, that's really good, really,
really good to think through 

613
00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:13,840
when you're on God's side. 
Like we talked about this some 

614
00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:16,560
last week, not on podcast, but 
as as you were preparing your 

615
00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:19,720
sermon talked about like, is God
against you or are you against 

616
00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:20,400
God? 
Like am I? 

617
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:23,000
I just think we're pushing 
against an immovable force when 

618
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:24,640
we're trying to do something. 
He's not in his will. 

619
00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:27,760
So my question for you is like, 
all right, So thinking about the

620
00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:30,520
sermon, think about our our 
context and thinking about all 

621
00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:35,120
sorts of things that's going on,
like what would be like, what do

622
00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:38,000
we need to do with this text? 
Like, like, I know there's 

623
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:40,120
personal things, what we talked 
about our personal things like 

624
00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:43,080
corporate laser or something. 
What's the God size vision? 

625
00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:44,800
Like what is God doing in 
Leamington? 

626
00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:47,280
I don't. 
Know yeah, well, I, I mean, I 

627
00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:49,200
alluded, I, I didn't just allude
to it. 

628
00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:51,920
I, I shared that in my second 
point that I really felt like, 

629
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:54,800
you know, God has been, you 
know, giving us as pastors and 

630
00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:57,840
and a leadership as a church 
that he's really giving us this 

631
00:29:57,840 --> 00:29:59,520
vision of discipleship. 
Right. 

632
00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:03,480
And we've really just seen like,
I guess the broken down wall 

633
00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:05,240
would be that. 
And it's not our church. 

634
00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:08,040
It's it's churches in general 
that, you know, in the 80s and 

635
00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:11,920
the 90s as churches, we, we 
moved to, you know, they thought

636
00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:16,000
the best thing for the church 
was programs that they shifted 

637
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:18,520
towards programs. 
And so for every, every felt 

638
00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:21,480
need that we have, right like I 
need to be a better husband. 

639
00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:24,920
We need, you know, to reach moms
who are, you know, struggling 

640
00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:27,720
with their kids at home. 
And so, so whatever need there 

641
00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:32,040
was that we all start a program,
we'll start a program that will 

642
00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:36,480
specifically meet that need. 
And so the problem that that 

643
00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:40,720
created was it made people, 
church members, consumers, and 

644
00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:44,520
it turned them into people who 
come to church to get my need 

645
00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:47,840
met and to help me with this 
specific area. 

646
00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:53,240
And so at the end of at the end 
of that, you know, 2020 to 25 to

647
00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:56,360
30 years later, what they 
recognized was, and I know one 

648
00:30:56,360 --> 00:30:59,400
of the churches, the name of the
church is escaping me right now.

649
00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:02,600
But they actually did a study 
because they were tracking this.

650
00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:05,080
They were one of the churches 
that that were leading this 

651
00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:07,920
movement. 
And they realized after after a 

652
00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:10,640
number of years, it failed. 
It didn't work. 

653
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:13,760
People weren't growing. 
They were just as helpless as 

654
00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:17,240
they were before. 
But it created this dependency 

655
00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:20,960
for people to be dependent on 
the church, which is exactly the

656
00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:24,000
opposite of what we want, right?
And so now in the last five to 

657
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:27,240
10 years, churches, there's been
movements of people moving 

658
00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:30,560
towards discipleship because we 
recognize that meeting felt 

659
00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:33,960
needs, having programs doesn't 
make disciples, right? 

660
00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:36,680
And so when we're talking about 
discipleship as a church, I 

661
00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:38,520
guess I want people to know 
that, like, this is not 

662
00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:40,840
something we're coming out out 
of nowhere. 

663
00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:43,760
This is something that like 
worldwide, we're recognizing 

664
00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:46,960
that Christians just aren't 
maturing as they should be. 

665
00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:49,960
And and this really came to 
light during COVID when people 

666
00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:51,800
couldn't go to church. 
You know, a lot of churches were

667
00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:54,240
shut down, at least for the 
beginning, right? 

668
00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:57,760
People had, no, they weren't, 
they weren't growing. 

669
00:31:57,800 --> 00:31:59,360
They had no way to feed 
themselves. 

670
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:01,560
They had no way to grow. 
They were so dependent on the 

671
00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:03,120
church that they didn't know 
what to do. 

672
00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:05,720
And so we recognized that like, 
we'd failed. 

673
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:09,320
Churches had failed. 
People weren't, you know, in a 

674
00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:11,680
close enough relationship with 
the Lord that they could feed 

675
00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:14,680
each other and feed one another.
And so as we move towards 

676
00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:17,560
discipleship, we're we're 
leaning into what Jesus modeled 

677
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:21,200
for us, which is discipleship 
with his, with his followers. 

678
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:24,520
He had personal one-on-one 
relationships with them in a 

679
00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:27,600
larger group and in a smaller 
group to help them grow. 

680
00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:33,200
Because you need to teach to 
obey all that he has commanded 

681
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:34,000
us. 
That's that's what. 

682
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:35,240
His. 
Yeah, that's the Great 

683
00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:36,720
Commission. 
That's what we're doing. 

684
00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:40,520
And the way that you teach 
others to obey Christ is to 

685
00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:44,120
disciple them, to walk with them
as they grow in God's word and 

686
00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:46,600
to teach them to, to follow 
God's word. 

687
00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:51,240
And so, and again, one thing 
that we've got from, from some 

688
00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:53,920
ministry that we follow, 
replicate ministries is that the

689
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:57,600
establishment process isn't 
complete until the person being 

690
00:32:57,600 --> 00:33:00,680
discipled is discipling other 
people. 

691
00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:04,380
That's when you know you've 
arrived or you know, quote UN 

692
00:33:04,380 --> 00:33:07,200
quote arrived. 
Is that now someone's been 

693
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:10,920
pouring into me and now I can 
begin to pour into other people.

694
00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:14,120
And so that's sort of like 
that's sort of the measure of 

695
00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:17,240
success that it needs to be 
being passed on. 

696
00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:18,360
Yeah. 
To other people. 

697
00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:21,200
And it's not dependent on 
specific like church leaders or 

698
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:22,560
whatever. 
So I think that's sort of the 

699
00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:26,160
broken down wall that that, you 
know, we're not maturing as we 

700
00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:27,040
as we ought to. 
Hebrew. 

701
00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:29,240
So the problem would be that 
they're the church is not 

702
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:31,560
producing mature believers, 
right? 

703
00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:34,440
They're still drinking milk. 
Yep, Yeah, Hebrews 5, right? 

704
00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:36,880
You, you, you guys ought to be 
teachers by now. 

705
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:38,560
That's exactly what, you know, 
the writer of right? 

706
00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:40,160
Writer of Hebrews is saying. 
Yeah, if you've been in a 

707
00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:42,920
church, if you've been a member 
of a church or been a like a 

708
00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:47,080
believer for any, any amount of 
time longer than like a year or 

709
00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:49,200
two, you should be further along
than you are. 

710
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:52,480
But like, there's people I can 
think about from my past and 

711
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:55,520
like, there are people who have 
been in the church 30 plus years

712
00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:57,200
and still drinking milk. 
You know what I mean? 

713
00:33:57,200 --> 00:33:59,720
Like they're just not. 
They're just not not committed 

714
00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:04,640
because like you said, they've 
been fed just baby food the 

715
00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:07,040
whole time. 
Like, OK, come here for this or 

716
00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:09,920
that event, this one 
specifically to becoming like 

717
00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:12,960
more manly or this one's today 
we're going to be talking about 

718
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:14,360
whatever it is. 
I don't know. 

719
00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:18,040
It's just like programs. 
So yeah, dude. 

720
00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:20,760
So the problem is people are not
mature. 

721
00:34:21,639 --> 00:34:24,080
They're drinking milk. 
What's the what's the the God 

722
00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:26,360
sized vision then? 
Well, I again, I think the God 

723
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:29,520
sized vision is discipleship. 
I think the God sized vision is 

724
00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:32,000
and I, and I want, I don't want 
people to feel overly guilty 

725
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:32,760
about that. 
Right. 

726
00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:35,679
You know, you know, maybe God is
asking you to sit in the rubble 

727
00:34:35,679 --> 00:34:37,840
of the fact that, you know, 
maybe you should be farther 

728
00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:40,000
along, but God isn't telling you
that. 

729
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:42,639
So you'll feel horrible about 
yourself and feel destroyed. 

730
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:45,320
No, it's just like that. 
Just the Holy Spirit nudging. 

731
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:47,159
Exactly. 
You need to let this go. 

732
00:34:47,159 --> 00:34:49,239
We need to. 
We need like, let me take, take 

733
00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:51,040
you somewhere else, right? 
Take you out of this. 

734
00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:52,679
Exactly. 
Like, you can lament the fact 

735
00:34:52,679 --> 00:34:54,840
that like, yeah, I should have 
been here 30 years ago, but 

736
00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:56,639
you're not. 
And God is asking you to start 

737
00:34:56,639 --> 00:34:59,000
rebuilding from where you're at 
now because you can change your 

738
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:01,640
trajectory for the future. 
And so I don't want people to 

739
00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:05,200
feel guilty about that because 
the truth is, you know, I've had

740
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:08,000
this question asked of me and 
it's like, who discipled you? 

741
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:10,240
I was in a book that Robbie 
Gallery wrote. 

742
00:35:10,240 --> 00:35:12,880
He's like, OK, well, how many of
you have had an example of 

743
00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:15,680
someone who who pulled you 
alongside and said, I want you 

744
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:18,200
to join me. 
And I'm going to disciple you. 

745
00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:19,440
I'm going to show you how to do 
this. 

746
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:22,440
I'm going to show you what it 
looks like to pray for your 

747
00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:25,480
wife, to pray with your family, 
to lead your family in devotions

748
00:35:25,720 --> 00:35:28,440
and just honestly like. 
Almost never will anybody say 

749
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:30,560
they had somebody. 
Yeah, almost nobody has ever had

750
00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:33,560
that modeled for them, right. 
And so you don't know it's, it's

751
00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:35,680
not your fault in that sense 
that you haven't been shown how 

752
00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:38,880
to do it right. 
And so you'll need to take some 

753
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:42,320
responsibility, but there's also
a responsibility that's placed 

754
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:45,400
on the church, right? 
And so we need to do our part as

755
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:48,960
a Church of creating an 
atmosphere, an environment of 

756
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:52,160
discipleship in our church where
people can grow spiritually. 

757
00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:54,400
That means you're gonna have to 
do the work, right? 

758
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:56,600
Yeah, we're not feeding you 
anymore. 

759
00:35:56,880 --> 00:35:59,600
You know, it's like that's you. 
You can't come here and just 

760
00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:02,160
get, I mean, you can still, you 
can still come here to get 

761
00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:03,320
stuff, but it's like you're just
not going to. 

762
00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:06,360
Grow The thing is the programs 
change like the things that we 

763
00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:08,080
do here at the church would have
to change, right. 

764
00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:10,480
Or they're going to. 
Yeah, like you may have already 

765
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:12,040
noticed it. 
Like there there are things that

766
00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:14,720
are just different, like they're
Wednesday night things. 

767
00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:16,400
Well, Wednesday night exists, 
right. 

768
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:18,280
So here. 
So it's one thing that wasn't 

769
00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:20,400
happening for adults. 
There's there's study, but 

770
00:36:20,720 --> 00:36:23,160
things are different now than 
they used to be, right. 

771
00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:24,840
At times. 
And that's not a bad thing, 

772
00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:26,840
right? 
Like the, the things that are 

773
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:30,720
happening are focused on 
maturing as believers. 

774
00:36:30,720 --> 00:36:34,040
And so like, so like if you're, 
if somebody taps you on the 

775
00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:36,360
shoulder and says, Hey, you want
to be in AD group, you should 

776
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:40,600
probably say yes, because it's 
not just us trying to fill a box

777
00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:44,720
and like to say, Hey, we got, 
you know, 85% of our people in 

778
00:36:44,720 --> 00:36:47,080
discipleship groups. 
It's we want you in the word 

779
00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:51,640
with other people, growing 
closer to the Lord, maturing as 

780
00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:54,040
believers so that you'll have 
the strength to endure what's 

781
00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:56,720
coming. 
Because we think, I mean, who 

782
00:36:56,720 --> 00:36:59,600
knows what's coming, right? 
Yeah, persecution is coming. 

783
00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:03,240
And you won't, you won't be able
to survive it if you if you're 

784
00:37:03,240 --> 00:37:05,520
not mature. 
And so, yeah, I think you're 

785
00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:07,440
right, man. 
I think discipleship is. 

786
00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:11,040
And then it's a buzzword and a 
lot of people like, oh, it's 

787
00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:12,800
what does it mean? 
It can, it's all-encompassing. 

788
00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:17,680
Like we mean people reading the 
Bible together. 

789
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:19,560
Yeah. 
Talking about what they read 

790
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:23,440
together, talking about how it 
has shaped their life that week.

791
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:26,080
Yeah. 
And then praying for each other,

792
00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:28,400
holding each other accountable 
for all the different 

793
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:31,640
disciplines. 
That's what I mean when I mean 

794
00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:32,760
discipleship. 
Exactly. 

795
00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:35,040
It's word centered. 
Yeah. 

796
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:37,240
Like it's all centered on God's 
Word because that's how he 

797
00:37:37,240 --> 00:37:38,880
reveals himself to us. 
Absolutely. 

798
00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:42,480
You know, and it's, you're gonna
grow together as you share in 

799
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:45,000
God's Word together, Maybe 
someone will challenge you and 

800
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:47,120
say, Hey, I'm not sure that 
that's what that means. 

801
00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:49,000
You know, like you may be 
corrected. 

802
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:51,720
And, and it's like you're going 
to learn like through the, the 

803
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:53,800
here journaling method that we 
use, you're going to learn how 

804
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:56,720
to faithfully take God's word 
and apply it to your life. 

805
00:37:57,280 --> 00:37:59,480
And like you said, have people 
holding you accountable. 

806
00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:02,000
And it's like, man, you, you 
just will grow. 

807
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:05,600
Like I guarantee that you will 
grow based on what the Lord, If 

808
00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:08,240
you are a believer and you know 
you're trusting in the Holy 

809
00:38:08,240 --> 00:38:11,120
Spirit and those people, it's 
like you're going to grow in a 

810
00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:14,840
year in a way that you you will 
not believe when you look back 

811
00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:17,320
over the last year. 
You say a year that's just kind 

812
00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:21,520
of like timeline that that 
generally they they last. 

813
00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:24,040
That's kind of what the model is
set up for us. 

814
00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:28,560
So you commit to each other your
group for a year and then after 

815
00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:32,240
that, the idea is that you go 
out and start your own group or 

816
00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:35,320
part of you go out and start 
another group so that more 

817
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:37,920
people are able to be discipled.
So like, I don't know, God size 

818
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:42,080
vision would be the whole 
church, like from yeah, from 

819
00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:45,120
like adults all the way down to 
youth, I think should be 

820
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:47,880
figuring out some way to do 
discipleship together. 

821
00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:51,040
That would be God size vision I 
think. 

822
00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:52,640
Absolutely. 
Because if you're if you're 

823
00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:58,240
3040, fifty years old and you 
know you've never been discipled

824
00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:01,320
and you go through a year of 
discipleship, guess what? 

825
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:07,320
You can disciple a fifteen 2025 
year old person and give them 

826
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:09,240
what you never had. 
That's exactly right. 

827
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:12,280
And disciple them so that they 
don't have to wait until they're

828
00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:16,520
50 to finally be shown how what 
it means to be a follower of 

829
00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:19,320
Christ and how to read the Bible
and how to pray and, you know, 

830
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:23,160
how to just do everyday 
Christian things that we should 

831
00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:23,920
be doing. 
Yeah. 

832
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:27,480
And I think it's so important to
just to use a reading plan to go

833
00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:30,880
through that because there I've,
I've had conversations with 

834
00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:33,080
people recently like, you know, 
I never knew that story was in 

835
00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:35,840
the Bible. 
And I'm like, that's a pretty 

836
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:37,560
basic story, right? 
You know what I mean? 

837
00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:39,880
It's like, it's not, I wasn't 
like critical or anything like 

838
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:40,800
that. 
It's like, oh, OK, that's 

839
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:42,800
interesting. 
But like, it's a pretty basic 

840
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:45,800
thing that was popping up. 
And I'm like, it's because you 

841
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:48,680
never read your Bible. 
You know, it's not like a, it's 

842
00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:50,960
not an obscure story. 
I don't remember exactly which 

843
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:55,400
one it was, but it's important 
for you to read the whole Bible.

844
00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:57,160
Absolutely. 
Read your Bible. 

845
00:39:57,160 --> 00:39:58,840
He wants us to read it all. 
The whole thing. 

846
00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:00,960
And. 
We, we had an Old Testament 

847
00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:03,120
professor, I don't know if 
Doctor Betts he, that's the one 

848
00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:05,920
we're using this commentary for 
Nehemiah and I remember him. 

849
00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:08,080
He would joke that it's like, 
you know what, I'm just going to

850
00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:11,960
read the Bible that Jesus had. 
And it was drawing to this point

851
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:16,040
that like when Jesus was alive, 
the only Bible he had was the 

852
00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:17,840
Old Testament. 
He didn't have the New 

853
00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:18,560
Testament. 
They didn't. 

854
00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:19,600
Call it the Old Testament, they 
just. 

855
00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:20,760
Called the scriptures, right, 
right. 

856
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:23,200
And that's, that's what he had. 
And so he would always make that

857
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:24,840
joke. 
But it's like, you know, all 

858
00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:27,120
your New Testament people, it's 
like you read the New Testament.

859
00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:28,440
I'm, I'm an Old Testament 
professor. 

860
00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:30,760
I don't know anything. 
About or the, the Hebrew people,

861
00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:33,800
the guys who loved Hebrew would 
always talk about the Greek guys

862
00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:36,120
like, oh, we just like to read 
in the, in the language that God

863
00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:40,520
uses, not man's language, right.
So it's so funny. 

864
00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:42,800
Yeah. 
But I think part of the reason 

865
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:46,440
this is a God sized vision 
discipleship is because it's not

866
00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:48,520
a quick fix. 
You know, if anybody thinks, oh,

867
00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:50,800
this is just a fad, it's just, 
no, it's not. 

868
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:55,040
It's, it's a long term goal 
because it takes time. 

869
00:40:55,720 --> 00:40:58,920
You know, you, you think about a
group, it's like, well, we, I'm 

870
00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:01,880
going to pick three guys and 
we're going to meet together for

871
00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:04,360
a year. 
So that means for an entire 

872
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:07,880
year, there's just, there's just
spiritual growth going on in US 

873
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:10,680
4. 
But but the beauty of this model

874
00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:14,400
is that, you know, after a year,
maybe maybe you maybe all four 

875
00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:17,400
of you split off and go start 
new groups or maybe just you 

876
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:20,080
break off in twos, right, and 
start new groups, whatever it 

877
00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:22,120
is. 
That's where multiplication 

878
00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:24,880
starts to happen, right? 
And it doesn't take, it doesn't 

879
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:27,680
take that many years until, you 
know, potentially the whole 

880
00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:30,480
church can be reached and then 
you can start reaching out into 

881
00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:34,040
the community and invite like, 
you know, and, and again, this 

882
00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:36,600
is discipleship for, for our 
church that we're specifically 

883
00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:38,320
trying to grow the people in our
church. 

884
00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:40,880
But if at some point, you know, 
there's three people, three 

885
00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:43,000
members of a church and one guy 
who's like, you know what, 

886
00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:46,240
there's a believer at my work 
and you know, he just, I really 

887
00:41:46,240 --> 00:41:48,240
sense that he needs to be in our
D group. 

888
00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:50,400
And you bring somebody from the 
outside, it's like, you know, 

889
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:52,360
that's OK too. 
And that gives them an 

890
00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:54,880
opportunity to grow. 
And, you know, the vision 

891
00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:56,560
becomes so much. 
That's where the vision starts 

892
00:41:56,560 --> 00:41:59,800
to go into our community, right?
And how it can influence, you 

893
00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:02,320
know, people outside of our 
church. 100% yeah, that's the 

894
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:05,120
thing. 
Like, but there's so many people

895
00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:07,720
in our church that aren't in one
right now and they need to be 

896
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:10,280
like if if you're just just 
don't be shy about it, right? 

897
00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:16,240
Like just just try it. 
Yeah, it if you try it and, and 

898
00:42:16,240 --> 00:42:18,680
you're a believer, the Lord will
use it in your heart and you 

899
00:42:18,680 --> 00:42:22,720
will see how it can help you. 
And if you're, and honestly, if 

900
00:42:22,720 --> 00:42:24,520
you maybe you say, I don't need 
that. 

901
00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:26,200
I'm older. 
I've done this, I have been 

902
00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:29,200
discipled or I, you know, I feel
like I am a mature disciple. 

903
00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:31,680
You need to be doing it. 
You need to be discipling other 

904
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:33,360
people. 
You need to be pouring into the 

905
00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:35,840
lives of, of those around you 
who, who haven't. 

906
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:40,440
And so this is a, it's just a 
great way and it's centered on 

907
00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:42,600
the word, not on what I want. 
It's not a program. 

908
00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:46,160
It's not on like I want to learn
more about XY or Z. 

909
00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:48,160
Well, you're going, you're going
to, yeah. 

910
00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:50,840
It may not be in the time frame 
or anything that you're you're, 

911
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:54,360
you're expecting, but you're 
going to learn, you know, you're

912
00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:56,080
going to you're going to read it
in the Bible and you're just 

913
00:42:56,080 --> 00:42:58,440
going to come up next to it. 
We're going to have a chance to 

914
00:42:58,440 --> 00:42:59,360
talk about it. 
Yeah. 

915
00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:03,120
So, yeah, I think that's, I 
think that could be, could be. 

916
00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:07,120
I think it is the answer to a 
lot of the issues that we see in

917
00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:10,280
our church and like our church 
and everybody else's church. 

918
00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:12,880
It's like the reason people 
aren't growing is because 

919
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:14,840
they're not reading their Bible 
and they're not and they're not 

920
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:16,800
being, they're not, they're not 
sharpening each other. 

921
00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:19,800
Not just not reading your Bible.
You could read your Bible all 

922
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:21,720
day long. 
But if you're just in an echo 

923
00:43:21,720 --> 00:43:25,280
chamber and you're only, you're 
holding it to yourself, you're 

924
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:28,240
not sharpening each other like 
you sharpen me, I sharpen you. 

925
00:43:28,240 --> 00:43:31,960
It's just one of those things 
and it's not comfortable sitting

926
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:33,520
in because sometimes you got to 
sit in the rubble. 

927
00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:35,240
You're going to go painful 
things are going to come up. 

928
00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:39,600
It's not fun like this book that
dangerous calling book not fun 

929
00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:42,280
to read right. 
It points out pride in my heart 

930
00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:45,080
all every time I pick it up and 
I sometimes don't want to pick 

931
00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:48,760
it up, but and. 
That's God's word too, right? 

932
00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:51,280
Exactly like God's Word. 
You know, I had a professor who 

933
00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:54,480
had always, he called God's Word
like it was a piercing comfort, 

934
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:56,480
the piercing comfort of God's 
Word. 

935
00:43:56,480 --> 00:43:58,400
Because on the one hand, it's 
like, if you're reading it 

936
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:03,440
right, yeah, it's piercing it. 
It divides between joint and 

937
00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:05,840
marrow and like your heart and 
your intentions and all that 

938
00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:08,360
sort of stuff. 
Like it is uncomfortable if 

939
00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:11,720
you're reading it right. 
And but then it gives you the 

940
00:44:11,720 --> 00:44:14,560
comfort of what? 
Of the fact that God has made a 

941
00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:17,360
way for you to be forgiven, for 
you to have a relationship with 

942
00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:19,800
God, for how you'd have peace 
with God through Christ. 

943
00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:22,720
And so it's like, on the one 
hand, it's like it hurts to show

944
00:44:22,720 --> 00:44:27,160
you the pain, but then it gives 
you that comfort of how you move

945
00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:28,640
forward and you continue to 
grow. 

946
00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:32,000
And this is like, you know, the 
analogy is like of medical 

947
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:33,320
field, right? 
It's like a lot of times it's 

948
00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:36,040
like you have to do something 
painful to fix what's broken, 

949
00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:39,040
right? 
And so that's a good thing. 

950
00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:41,840
The Lord is going to grow us as 
we spend time at His Word. 

951
00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:47,280
Man, really good final thoughts 
on your your sermon from chapter

952
00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:48,200
2. 
Yeah. 

953
00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:50,880
Well, I guess just from there, 
like this God sized vision, you 

954
00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:53,200
know, us as a church and 
everybody individually, it's, 

955
00:44:53,240 --> 00:44:55,440
it's that we're trusting in God 
to do the work, right? 

956
00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:58,800
That this is the plan that, you 
know, again, like churches 

957
00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:01,680
around the world, organizations 
around the world are recognizing

958
00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:05,040
that discipleship is the missing
link, You know, that that we've 

959
00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:06,920
sort of strayed from as 
churches. 

960
00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:08,960
And this is God's vision for the
church. 

961
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:12,080
If we follow in Christ's 
footsteps and his model of 

962
00:45:12,080 --> 00:45:15,080
discipleship, it, this is God's 
vision, This is what he's trying

963
00:45:15,080 --> 00:45:17,280
to do. 
And as we disciple one another, 

964
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:18,520
it's like we can just be 
confident. 

965
00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:20,040
This is what God has in store 
for us. 

966
00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:23,400
And so when enemies come up, 
when opposition comes up, it's 

967
00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:25,440
like we can just continue 
forward knowing that it's like, 

968
00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:27,440
you know what, God is going to 
make this prosper. 

969
00:45:27,560 --> 00:45:29,760
And we're going to continue 
doing it because we believe it's

970
00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:32,160
from God. 
And we just know that he's going

971
00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:33,640
to he's going to make it 
successful. 

972
00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:37,200
Yeah, that's true. 
We need to spend time trying to 

973
00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:40,720
figure out and discern what God 
is doing in our community, 

974
00:45:40,720 --> 00:45:41,920
right? 
Yeah, We need to. 

975
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:45,000
Yeah, That's that. 
I think that would be like when 

976
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:47,200
you're sitting in the rubble, 
you're trying to sit there and 

977
00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:49,520
like, like, let's look at the 
walls. 

978
00:45:49,520 --> 00:45:52,160
Let's figure outlook for cracks,
look for leaks. 

979
00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:55,520
Like that's me. 
I'm thinking like, we got to 

980
00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:57,160
figure out what is God doing in 
Leamington? 

981
00:45:57,320 --> 00:45:58,920
Yeah. 
What is God doing in our church?

982
00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:00,480
What it, what it, what is he 
doing? 

983
00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:03,120
And then get on board with that.
Yeah. 

984
00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:07,080
And stop trying to push against 
what he's doing or like to go 

985
00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:09,200
the opposite direction. 
That's where I'm getting from 

986
00:46:09,200 --> 00:46:12,640
this from as we're reading 
through this book and, and 

987
00:46:12,640 --> 00:46:16,760
really studying it, it's like, 
no, Nehemiah, you, you said it 

988
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:19,160
earlier. 
He, he saw he was just in the 

989
00:46:19,160 --> 00:46:21,880
right place at the right time. 
He saw what God was doing. 

990
00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:24,360
And he just like, I'm just going
to be a part of that. 

991
00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:27,000
However I can be, however I can 
be useful. 

992
00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:29,560
He was, he was in the right 
place at the right time. 

993
00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:33,080
He had the ear of the king God. 
And God nudged him and said OK, 

994
00:46:33,080 --> 00:46:35,640
And then he just said yes. 
And so I think that's what we 

995
00:46:35,640 --> 00:46:37,200
have to, we have to keep that in
mind, Joe. 

996
00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:40,400
I don't. 
It's just because if we're not, 

997
00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:43,280
we're just pushing against the 
like a like an immovable force. 

998
00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:44,040
Yeah. 
Yeah. 

999
00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:46,520
So anyway. 
Absolutely. 

1000
00:46:46,520 --> 00:46:48,080
That's encouraging. 
Yeah, for sure. 

1001
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:51,240
Anything else today? 
I think that is. 

1002
00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:53,840
Everything OK? 
It was really good. 

1003
00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:56,680
That was a fun podcast episode. 
Yeah, I hope it's helpful. 

1004
00:46:56,800 --> 00:46:59,280
Yeah, I think so. 
Joe, would you would you mind 

1005
00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:03,040
praying for our church and for 
our community? 

1006
00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:06,120
Yeah, I, I, well, I guess I'll 
say before I say that, No, I 

1007
00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:09,280
just, I, I'm just, as I go into 
the prayer, I don't know if 

1008
00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:11,640
people have recognized this, but
it's like, you know, the first 

1009
00:47:11,640 --> 00:47:15,760
sermon in Nehemiah that I did 
like, you know, I, when I 

1010
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:19,800
preach, OK, I, I scour over the 
text, you know, some of the sort

1011
00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:22,120
of the advice I got with sermon 
prep is like, man, you really 

1012
00:47:22,120 --> 00:47:26,520
ought to read the text, you 
know, 10/15/20 times just to 

1013
00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:27,960
wrap your head around what's 
going on. 

1014
00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:30,320
And every time you read it, it's
like the Lord reveals something 

1015
00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:33,560
different to you. 
But the positive side of reading

1016
00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:37,840
a text that many times in a week
is like you sort of have it semi

1017
00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:40,200
memorized, right? 
And so people have probably been

1018
00:47:40,200 --> 00:47:42,600
recognizing this, but it's like 
over the last like 3 weeks, it's

1019
00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:45,520
like almost all of my prayers, 
even my personal life and my 

1020
00:47:45,520 --> 00:47:47,240
public prayers, it's like 
they're being shaped by 

1021
00:47:47,240 --> 00:47:48,760
Nehemiah's prayer. 
That's awesome. 

1022
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:52,120
And sort of the flow that it 
comes with. 

1023
00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:54,880
And I just encourage people, I 
encourage people all the time 

1024
00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:57,680
pray the Bible. 
And when there's prayers in the 

1025
00:47:57,680 --> 00:48:01,280
Bible, model those prayers and 
pray those prayers back to God. 

1026
00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:04,200
And you know, pray the words 
that are written there And then,

1027
00:48:04,560 --> 00:48:07,480
and then you can sort of add to 
it from your context, right? 

1028
00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:11,680
And so I'll probably do that 
right now and just encourage 

1029
00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:13,080
people to pray the Bible back to
God. 

1030
00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:14,960
That's his word and you're 
praying it back to Him. 

1031
00:48:15,240 --> 00:48:18,840
Sounds awesome. 
Lord, we come before you this 

1032
00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:22,800
afternoon and we're grateful 
that you are the great and 

1033
00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:24,600
awesome God. 
You are the great and mighty 

1034
00:48:24,600 --> 00:48:27,000
God. 
You are the Lord the God of 

1035
00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:29,880
heaven, and you are above all of
the things in this world. 

1036
00:48:29,880 --> 00:48:33,240
And we are so grateful to know 
that that you are in control of 

1037
00:48:33,240 --> 00:48:34,720
everything that comes in our 
life. 

1038
00:48:35,480 --> 00:48:38,680
And we pray to you, a God who 
keeps his covenant and keeps his

1039
00:48:38,680 --> 00:48:41,320
steadfast love with those who 
love him. 

1040
00:48:42,080 --> 00:48:45,160
And Lord, we come recognizing 
that you are faithful to those 

1041
00:48:45,160 --> 00:48:47,800
who are faithful to you. 
And so we recognize that 

1042
00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:50,520
promise. 
We recognize your faithfulness, 

1043
00:48:50,520 --> 00:48:54,600
your love, and and we recognize 
how far we fall short of that 

1044
00:48:54,600 --> 00:48:58,280
standard, that even though we 
want to be faithful to you, we 

1045
00:48:58,280 --> 00:49:01,680
want to love you. 
We recognize in our own hearts 

1046
00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:05,040
our failures and Lord, we 
confess our own sin as we come 

1047
00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:08,960
to you, not having lived up to 
the standard that you have given

1048
00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:12,320
to us, but trusting in the way 
that you have made for us, that 

1049
00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:15,360
Christ has come and offered 
himself as the ultimate 

1050
00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:18,560
sacrifice, the once for all 
sacrifice that we can be 

1051
00:49:18,560 --> 00:49:20,880
forgiven. 
And when we come to you in his 

1052
00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:23,960
name, he is the way, the truth 
and the life, and we can have 

1053
00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:28,160
peace with you through him. 
And we thank you for that Lord. 

1054
00:49:28,560 --> 00:49:31,600
And this gives us the confidence
to pray now, to pray in Jesus 

1055
00:49:31,600 --> 00:49:34,640
name that whatever we ask, Lord,
you've promised that, that you 

1056
00:49:34,640 --> 00:49:37,560
hear it and that we have the 
request that we ask of you. 

1057
00:49:37,560 --> 00:49:41,360
And, and we learned from Christ 
our Savior to pray in your will.

1058
00:49:42,120 --> 00:49:44,840
And so we pray, we try to pray 
in your will. 

1059
00:49:44,840 --> 00:49:47,600
We, we pray that our, our 
prayers would be saturated in a 

1060
00:49:47,600 --> 00:49:51,000
desire to make your name great. 
Not just that we would have all 

1061
00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:53,920
of our requests and our wishes 
and our desires met. 

1062
00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:56,840
But then in our prayer, we would
be seeking to make your name 

1063
00:49:56,840 --> 00:49:59,640
great in and through us as a 
community, Lord. 

1064
00:49:59,640 --> 00:50:02,760
And so we pray that you would 
strengthen us to rebuild the 

1065
00:50:02,760 --> 00:50:05,680
walls as we talked about today 
with discipleship that we have 

1066
00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:07,960
your people who have been saved 
by your grace. 

1067
00:50:08,680 --> 00:50:12,120
And our our Commission, our 
mandate is to make disciples to 

1068
00:50:12,120 --> 00:50:15,600
help people grow in their faith,
that they trust in Christ, that 

1069
00:50:15,600 --> 00:50:19,280
they read his word, that they 
obey his commands and walk in 

1070
00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:21,280
his ways. 
And in the promise that we have 

1071
00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:23,840
is that you will be with us 
until the end of the age. 

1072
00:50:23,840 --> 00:50:26,800
Lord, thank you for the fact 
that you are with us through the

1073
00:50:26,800 --> 00:50:29,080
power of your spirit. 
Would you strengthen us to be 

1074
00:50:29,080 --> 00:50:32,040
bold as we trust in your power 
and your strength? 

1075
00:50:32,440 --> 00:50:35,040
In Jesus name we ask, Amen. 
Amen. 

1076
00:50:35,880 --> 00:50:38,680
Well, we are praying for you, 
LMC, and we appreciate you 

1077
00:50:38,680 --> 00:50:40,000
joining us. 
Until next time.

