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Well, hey everybody. 
Hey, how's it going? 

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Welcome to the Beyond Sunday 
Podcast, which is an extension 

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of the preaching ministry here 
at LEMC, and we thank you for 

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joining us. 
My name is Joseph Penner. 

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I'm the Associate Pastor here at
LEMC, and I'm joined today by 

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Jonah Chitty, our discipleship 
and family pastor. 

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That's a long title. 
That is a long title. 

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Yo-yo, how are you guys doing? 
That's what the the third guy 

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like the disabled ship or the, 
the, you know, like they got to 

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be wacky kind of weird all the 
time. 

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So. 
You got to get more specific 

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because other ones are too 
general. 

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Yeah, exactly. 
Senior pastor, associate pastor,

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and then you start getting into 
the weeds. 

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Extremely specific pastor of 
sanitary disposal, something 

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like that. 
I don't want to be that pastor. 

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Me neither. 
Jake is not joining us today. 

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We actually have a bit of a 
note, a note from Jake. 

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There's been a lot going on in 
this season of ministry for him.

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And so he's actually decided to 
step back from the podcast for 

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the time being. 
I'll I'll read this note that he

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wanted us to share with you all.
He says hi to everyone on our 

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Beyond Sunday podcast. 
It has been a true privilege to 

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contribute and be a part of this
meaningful ministry. 

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I've received numerous positive 
comments about the impact of 

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this podcast and I know it is 
reaching and blessing many 

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lives. 
My heart's desire is for the 

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Beyond Sunday podcast to 
continue touching people as it 

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moves forward. 
However, at this time, due to 

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the phase of life I am currently
in, I need to step back and take

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a break from this work for the 
time being. 

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Thank you for all your 
understanding and support. 

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Jake ends and so we've obviously
appreciated having him on. 

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I, I feel like the podcast in, 
in some way is not really the 

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same as it was, you know, it, it
was all of us together, all of 

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us pastors. 
But I obviously understand Jake 

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in this season of life, needing 
to step back. 

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Sometimes you have to take, take
breaks, things, things change as

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seasons of life change. 
You never know. 

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Well, maybe he'll want to hop 
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I hope so. 
To join us to discuss sermons he

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preaches maybe, and to get a 
different perspective. 

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It's helpful. 
And that way you wouldn't have 

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to listen to Joe and I talk to 
each other all the time. 

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But maybe maybe this could help 
us, you know, open up the format

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a little bit too and invite some
other people in on the podcast. 

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As far as guests, some of you 
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who have the opportunity to 
teach in our church, Maybe we 

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bring you on and we we chat with
you about your ministries. 

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And so I think, I think good 
things can come of, of change 

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sometimes since so I, while we, 
we, we are disappointed though. 

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Yeah, and I'm sure the audience 
is too. 

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I, I know so many of the 
comments that that I've heard, 

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like so many people have 
appreciated the podcast and, and

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we're, we really are grateful 
that it has blessed you. 

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That has been our purpose is to 
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our church. 
And, and you all have been 

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encouraging. 
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encouraging things that you as 
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that you just appreciate sort of
the banter from all three of us 

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pastors and just the back and 
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perspectives, you know, and, and
we see ourselves as being three 

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different people with different 
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And so I think you all have 
appreciated that too. 

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And, and the fact that we work 
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And so we appreciate it as well.
And so, yeah, Jake will be 

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missed for sure. 
For sure. 

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Yeah, 100%. 
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take time today to talk about 
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Jonah, you preached a sermon on 
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verses one through 11, and your 
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main thing. 
Yeah, I wrestled with titles all

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week. 
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think it's episode 17 and on 
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discussed how I don't like 
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I just want to put like First 
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But yeah, so I mean, I wrestled,
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main thing, the main thing or 
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I think I what did I land on? 
I forget even now. 

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Keep the gospel. 
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importance. 
Make clear for you. 

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And so, yeah, I just think 
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So. 
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I've sort of come a lot like I, 
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I've, I've come to value titles 
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looking for something, let's say
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podcasters will say, I, I don't 
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to all the episodes. 
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titles and just find something 
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And so then titles are very 
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just just be clear in your 
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be sort of like, not 
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word, but just like. 
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of catches your attention. 
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I think I've done that right. 

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Like, you know what? 
It was my body, my choice. 

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So it's like a provocative 
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For a sermon, This one wasn't 
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I just kind of got right to the 
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It's just straightforward. 
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was after. 
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have a lot of illustration in my
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know, I had illustration from 
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but not like, not like personal 
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It was just like, here you go. 
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your head for like next 35 
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I think that's what I said in 
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So I was fairly passionate and 
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I don't know if anybody picked 
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It was clear, we felt the hammer
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It was good. 
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was, it was needed because we 
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we're doing as a church. 
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the main point of what we're 
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And if it's not, then, and we're
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missing the purpose of the 
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I think so that that line I can 
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Yeah, why don't you give us an 
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The points of it, if I can find 
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we have to prioritize the 
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Paul's always talking about like
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He's answering so many things in
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lot of things. 
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He's he's going through on the, 
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they gave him to talk about. 
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all right, now that I've done 
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something very clear. 
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need to just prioritize the 
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message of the gospel and then 
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the gospel. 
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if we're not, if we're going to 
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we, we have to know what it is 
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the main thing, then we have to 
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it. 
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simplistic gospel presentation 
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It's very simple. 
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that I that I probably should 
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and we'll pick up on that in 
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But like he doesn't mention much
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because he's already been 
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letter long. 
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to recognize you're a Sinner 
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You know, we would say that's 
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in presenting the gospel, but he
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He just goes into like, what 
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And so I felt like I just stayed
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And then the last point, which 
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was preparing was the most 
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like the recognizer emphasizing 
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Like, what does it do? 
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the message is this, this is 
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out for the clearly for you. 
But what does it do in your 

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heart? 
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what Paul was like. 
Paul was a murdering zealot to 

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like the person who wrote First 
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incredible thing to think about.
So no kidding. 

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That's pretty. 
That's pretty much the the gist 

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of my points in the sermon. 
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Yeah, what, as you were talking,
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beginning when you were saying, 
it's like Paul sort of answers 

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all their questions. 
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right, now I'm just going to 
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head, you know, before I end 
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So it sort of reminds me of this
is just an example of something.

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I remember listening to podcasts
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doing a workshop and he was just
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guy, Bob Coughlin. 
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worship leaders questions about 
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do this, how to how to do, how 
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scenarios. 
And I'll never forget one of the

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things that he said sort of at 
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He's like, you know what, like 
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about worship ministry. 
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about like how to do things. 
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questions and I'm trying to 
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But he just said, you know what,
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much I love Jesus. 
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that was so convicting to me 
because it's like we can make it

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about so many different things 
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it's, it's not about all doing 
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It's not about legalism. 
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everything up black and white. 
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and, and the gospel is like, if 
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but forget the gospel and forget
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it. 
And so you're right, we need, we

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need to keep that 100. 
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And I think that's good too. 
Like at some point you just kind

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of have to say, OK, we can 
answer all your pragmatic 

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questions that you want. 
We can come up with a legalistic

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way to go about things or we can
just like really show our heart 

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where our heart is. 
And that's that if you're 

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communicating that like, like 
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whether or not you believe what 
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Can some, does someone like 
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saying to you? 
And I think that's what Bob 

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Coughlin's getting at it. 
Do they believe that I'm 

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actually worshiping Christ? 
And so I think Paul's getting at

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that in this text. 
So I mean, I said he's going to 

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answer all the things, but and, 
and and then he's going to 

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hammer his own thing home. 
But I think your text coming up 

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is going to talk about, you 
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issue going on with their belief
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We're going to get that like 
this in the next Sunday. 

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So there is something else he's 
answering. 

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Maybe he's heard rumors or maybe
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It's, you know, he's not 
directly answering. 

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He said, hey, because he's 
guarding the flock, right? 

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Because shepherds guard the 
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very clear to you. 
And I think that's what he's 

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starting to do. 
So yeah. 

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Yeah, absolutely. 
Well, I did. 

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The first thing I wanted to go 
to was sort of when you you 

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always pray just after starting 
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have and maybe other people have
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prayers usually sound kind of 
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Why don't you talk about the 
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for a dollar or something like 
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Whatever. 
Just here, grab this on your way

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through the checkout line in the
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It's called Before you open your
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It's about Matt Smither. 
I just butchered his name. 

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It's a hard name to say. 
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It's got like lots of letters 
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like lots of syllables that go 
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Matt, I'm sorry if you're 
listening. 

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You're not. 
It's OK. 

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I'll put a link to the book. 
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your Bible. 
And honestly, I I bought it as a

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like a OK, it's a buck. 
I'll get it. 

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Whatever. 
Throw in the bag. 

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Valerie picked it up my wife and
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she taught the kids how to pray 
this prayer That's in the 1st 

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chapter of this book. 
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prayer act, the acronym IOUS and
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verses in psalms. 
The I stands for incline my 

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heart to your testimonies and 
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So in my prayer, I will pray 
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passage, but also like incline 
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Not for us to gain anything but,
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more. 
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And then the O has opened my 
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wondrous things from your 
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That's Psalm 1/19/18. 
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book is from Charles Spurgeon. 
He says, he says that texts will

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often refuse to open their or 
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until you open them with the key
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to understand what, what's in 
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just come to it and read the 
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may not, you may not be opening 
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So it's important for us to to 
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help us understand. 
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heart to fear your name. 
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heart, I say unite our hearts. 
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like with Piper, God's doing a 
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this guy takes sort of different
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He's like, we're all fragmented.
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his name, like on one, you know,
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will be to prove on the last day
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a lack of time. 
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that God would unite our hearts 
with his like unite our hearts 

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with him on mission to fear his 
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the reverence that he that he 
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And then the ass is to satisfy 
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faithful love so that we may 
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all our days. 
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It's just asking the Lord to 
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you know, so, so yeah, my, my 
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do that for one, the center of 
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consistency is good. 
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maybe teaching people how to 
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opportunity to pray in public. 
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to tie it to scripture, to pray 
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like for the, for the closing 
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giving me words to say that he 
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He wants us to pray like you, 
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him. 
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prayer every time. 
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At some way, shape or form. 
That's really good, yeah. 

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And I my, the, the prayers that 
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before the sermon, you know, 
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always based on the text of 
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we've been reading through the 
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And so, yeah, I mean that if, if
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life, we would encourage you to,
to open your Bible and pray, you

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know, even if it's just going 
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I'm going to open Psalm 1 and 
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your kids, your pastors, your 
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like now, you can pray Psalm 1. 
It's easy, right? 

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Right. 
There's two ways. 

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righteous. 
Man help them to walk in the 

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ways of the Lord you know and so
now, now you have God's word to 

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to guide your prayer time so. 
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praying for someone in your 
family's lost, that's Psalm one 

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again, like, yeah, transplant 
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dirt to to dirt by the stream, 
you know, Yeah. 

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Anyway, yeah, that's good. 
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Pray the Bible. 
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One of the things you said early
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sounded like it it was really 
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for the whole sermon probably 
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Is the mission of the church, is
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Let me talk about that a little 
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Yeah. 
That came from the commentary 

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Danny Aiken wrote. 
Yeah, I, I honestly, that's the,

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that is the root I think of 
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at. 
Like, like nowhere. 

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Like nowhere. 
Is it more clear then for us to 

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then to like figure out what is 
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A lot of people, you know, we 
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the church different or why is 
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the church. 
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us to like, for me, like when I 
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this is makes the most sense. 
It's the most clear way to 

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present this, that that the 
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should be concerned about. 
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There's a million other things 
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with in church work. 
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we, if we lose sight of the 
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things, then we've lost sight of
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And so we just, we're not doing 
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doing. 
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And so, yeah, that's that's kind
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I it reminds me of a quote from 

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from John Piper. 
I I shared this on a Sunday 

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night, the last Sunday night 
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It says missions. 
Missions is not the ultimate 

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goal of the church. 
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Missions exists because worship 
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And so like, I think that ties 
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of the church. 
Like, like the message of the 

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church is the gospel. 
That's, that's the message that 

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we have to proclaim. 
That's it, you know, it's and 

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and obviously subsets of that 
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day, it's like Christ has saved 
us from our sin. 

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You know, the Bible shows us our
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our sin. 
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now we can have now we can 
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and we walk in our ways like in 
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sorry, I guess would have been 
yesterday. 

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Revelation chapter 21 talks 
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Jerusalem God is going to be 
there's no need for a light 

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because God is its light. 
There's there's no need for 

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Jesus is the Lamb. 
Isn't that an incredible 

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picture? 
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required. 
You get your light from God, you

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know, and it's like, and I, I 
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like, I want to be living like 
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Like if I'm excited for that day
when, when God and Christ are 

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going to be the light that that 
guides my path, That's how we 

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ought to be living now, right? 
That that God that I'm going to 

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his word so that like he is 
lighting my path and showing me 

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which way to go. 
And the reason we have a mission

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to share that message of the 
gospel with the world is because

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people don't worship Christ. 
People don't they don't give him

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the glory for having created all
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way, the truth and the life. 
And so we have to share that 

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message of the gospel so that 
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that they worship. 
Him. 

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Yeah, that's so good that Piper 
quotes from his like Let the 

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Nation's Be glad book. 
I think it's so good. 

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I reminds me of like Revelation 
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5-6 or seven, I can't remember 
exactly. 

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But when the martyrs are under 
the throne and they're they're 

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like, they're like saying, how 
long, O Lord, will this 

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continue? 
Right. 

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Well, this going to continue 
until the work's done. 

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And so until the work's done, 
the mission of the church is the

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same. 
Give the gospel to everyone and 

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those who have ears to hear will
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And and those who don't won't. 
And it's in some strange 

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mystery, right? 
That's how it works. 

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But. 
But you know how we know that 

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the mission isn't over yet 
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fallen world. 
There's still sin. 

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There's still all these these 
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The new heaven and the new earth
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And and there's still work to 
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And so in the meantime, we can't
divorce what we're doing like 

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activities that we do from the 
mission of the church. 

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Mission matches the message. 
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So it's important for us to 
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It absolutely is. 
So I think I'm, I am in my first

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point, I was pretty, I came down
pretty like, I don't know, 

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authoritatively in some areas, 
probably a little, maybe, maybe 

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strong in some areas, but 
talking specifically to our 

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people who are in charge of 
committees and things like that.

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And if you felt a certain way, 
that wasn't my intent. 

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My intent was just to like 
encourage and to, to edifying to

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build you up in the gospel and 
help you think about because 

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often it's not, we don't, we 
don't, we don't set out to make 

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our, our events at the church 
something that they shouldn't 

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be. 
You know, it's not our, I don't 

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think it's ever anybody's goal 
to make it less gospel centered.

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A lot of times we just don't 
know how or we don't realize 

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what we're doing. 
And so a lot of good, a lot of 

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good events happen like good, 
just just good, not great 

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because the gospel is not the 
focus. 

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They're good, they're good 
social events or whatever, but 

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the gospel being the focus. 
So we need to make sure. 

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I think it's just important for 
us all to remember to to make 

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the gospel the main thing. 
Yeah, well, and it's and it, it 

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00:21:04,640 --> 00:21:07,600
shows an intentionality. 
Like I, we had a a leadership 

446
00:21:07,600 --> 00:21:09,760
meeting this this was a couple 
years ago. 

447
00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:12,080
And I remember one of the things
I shared with them. 

448
00:21:12,080 --> 00:21:13,440
I, I don't remember all the 
numbers. 

449
00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:16,240
I'll, I'll try to just spitball 
at least what I sort of 

450
00:21:16,240 --> 00:21:17,920
remember. 
But what I was trying to convey 

451
00:21:17,920 --> 00:21:22,320
to our leadership team is that 
if if the average church member 

452
00:21:22,320 --> 00:21:25,600
comes to church once a week and 
comes to Wednesday night and 

453
00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:28,440
comes to a Bible study, let's 
say in the evening and comes to 

454
00:21:28,440 --> 00:21:33,960
one event a month, that's four 
hours of church a month, 4 hours

455
00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:36,400
of Bible study a month. 
And then let's say one event 

456
00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:39,840
that lasts 2 hours, we get about
a 10/10 hours of their month. 

457
00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:43,280
And then if you multiply it over
the course of a year, you got 

458
00:21:43,280 --> 00:21:46,760
120 hours of, you know, again, I
don't remember the numbers, but 

459
00:21:46,760 --> 00:21:51,120
however many hours there are in 
an entire year, which was like, 

460
00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:54,480
you know, point whatever percent
of a person's year. 

461
00:21:54,480 --> 00:21:58,040
So it's like that's how much 
time we get from each person. 

462
00:21:58,440 --> 00:22:01,880
Like that's a a very small, 
insignificant amount of time. 

463
00:22:01,880 --> 00:22:03,880
And that's each person that 
comes every time the doors are 

464
00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:04,760
open, right? 
Right. 

465
00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:07,400
Every time the doors. 
Of that is lower even in the in 

466
00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:08,880
the church, right? 
Right, exactly. 

467
00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:12,400
And so it's like we get such a 
small amount of of people's 

468
00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:15,000
time. 
We have to be very intentional 

469
00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:19,160
with how we spend that time and 
it, it there's can't be a second

470
00:22:19,160 --> 00:22:22,320
or a minute wasted. 
And so like, like to, to your 

471
00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:27,160
point about like the events that
we do need to have vision, they 

472
00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:30,080
need to have focus and purpose 
and what they what they're 

473
00:22:30,080 --> 00:22:33,440
seeking to accomplish. 
Like again, is, is, is doing 

474
00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:35,400
something like just that's just 
fun. 

475
00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:36,800
Is it bad? 
No, not at all. 

476
00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:38,840
And there, there may even be a 
time and a place for that. 

477
00:22:38,840 --> 00:22:41,000
Like, you know, we have done 
those things in the past. 

478
00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:44,080
Obviously we we want to want to 
do relationship and we want to 

479
00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:46,200
have fun together. 
But when it's a church wide 

480
00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:50,480
event, we want it to have that 
that broader focus so that, you 

481
00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:52,480
know, in the same sense what 
we've been telling our listeners

482
00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:55,040
the last little while that it's 
like we want to present the 

483
00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:57,680
gospel every Sunday so that if 
by chance you know, the person 

484
00:22:57,680 --> 00:22:59,920
you've been praying for shows 
up, they get the gospel. 

485
00:23:00,120 --> 00:23:03,000
We want the same thing to be 
happening at our events so that 

486
00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:05,320
maybe there's someone in your 
life who isn't going to come on 

487
00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:07,640
a Sunday morning, but they may 
come to amend event. 

488
00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:10,560
And at that men's event, if they
get to hear a testimony and the 

489
00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:13,320
gospel presented, they did get 
to hear the gospel. 

490
00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:16,240
And, you know, maybe that's one 
step in the direction of them 

491
00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:18,200
coming to faith. 
Even more so, I think in an 

492
00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:21,640
event we should be more like 
more focused on giving the 

493
00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:25,880
gospel because the people who 
you invite from outside are more

494
00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:28,160
likely to come to an event 
rather than to come to a normal 

495
00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:30,600
service, right? 
And so like if someone's coming 

496
00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:34,160
to a service after you've talked
to them, you've done something 

497
00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:37,080
pretty incredible that someone 
willing to give up a Sunday 

498
00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:38,880
morning, you know that and come 
to church. 

499
00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:40,440
If it's an event like, oh, it's 
a big event. 

500
00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:42,320
We're just going, we're going 
to, you could, you could talk 

501
00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:44,200
about all the fringe things you 
get right, Like, oh, we're going

502
00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:47,000
to, we're going to have Jonah's 
barbecue on on that day or 

503
00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:51,120
whatever. 
And so, yeah, so you've got, 

504
00:23:51,120 --> 00:23:53,320
you've got to make sure because 
people will be more willing to 

505
00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:54,600
come. 
You've got, we've got to make 

506
00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:58,160
sure that that the message is 
the primary focus of that event.

507
00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:01,360
And I, I don't, and I don't mean
that to like to bash on 

508
00:24:01,360 --> 00:24:03,040
anybody's events. 
That's not that, that's not the 

509
00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:05,280
goal. 
It's just like just to try to 

510
00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:07,800
like highlight the importance 
because that's what Paul is 

511
00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:10,960
doing here in 15. 
Yeah, no, that's really good. 

512
00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:17,000
We did have a question that came
in this This listener says thank

513
00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:19,520
you for bringing the word and 
teaching us on 1st Corinthians 

514
00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:23,000
15. 
My question is, what role does 

515
00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:28,160
man play in the efficacy of the 
gospel reaching the ears of the 

516
00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:30,640
listener? 
So efficacy, meaning it's 

517
00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:34,040
effectiveness, So what? 
What role does man play in how 

518
00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:37,600
effective the gospel is in 
reaching the ears of a listener?

519
00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:44,160
Brian Chappell, who's a a 
preacher and seminary professor,

520
00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:48,400
he talks about what he calls 
ethos, which is the character of

521
00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:51,400
the man speaking loudest when 
preaching. 

522
00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:54,360
So when you preach, you're the 
way you're the character of the 

523
00:24:54,360 --> 00:24:56,600
person speaking is what speaks 
the loudest. 

524
00:24:56,600 --> 00:24:59,240
You know, if they don't believe 
you as the speaker, they're not 

525
00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:03,400
going to listen to the message. 
And so this listener continues 

526
00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:06,000
and says the message, the 
meaning and the might of the 

527
00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:09,120
gospel are held firm by the 
Spirit. 

528
00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:14,200
And Isaiah 55 verse 11 promises 
that his word won't return void.

529
00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:18,720
But can you elaborate on what 
role man has in living out the 

530
00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:21,960
gospel so our words don't fall 
on deaf ears. 

531
00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:27,440
So I think what he's what he's 
getting at is how important is 

532
00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:31,480
it for your character to shine 
through your message like and, 

533
00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:35,360
and how, if it does that help 
the the gospel reach the person 

534
00:25:35,360 --> 00:25:38,280
that you're speaking to? 
Yeah, that's it's a good 

535
00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:40,000
question. 
It's a thoughtful question. 

536
00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:44,320
It's got layers, right. 
But yeah, I think I think it's 

537
00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:47,360
of utmost importance. 
Like you can't say like your dad

538
00:25:47,360 --> 00:25:49,760
would say in the car, right? 
Like as you're, as he's speeding

539
00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:52,560
at 95 mph or whatever that is in
kilometers. 

540
00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:56,880
I don't know. 
You can't, you can't say to like

541
00:25:56,880 --> 00:26:00,040
do as I say, not as I do, right?
That doesn't work with the with 

542
00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:01,440
preaching, right? 
It doesn't. 

543
00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:04,720
Now, often like we have to 
recognize that the preacher is a

544
00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:10,400
Sinner a lot of times maybe 
dealing with things in like a 

545
00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:13,240
different level than most 
people. 

546
00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:14,280
I don't know if that's true or 
not. 

547
00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:17,160
It's just sometimes it feels 
like the attacks are heavier at 

548
00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:21,480
sometimes for preachers. 
But we are sinners like and we 

549
00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:23,640
are not perfect. 
And like that's something to 

550
00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:25,720
keep in mind. 
There should be grace there for 

551
00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:28,960
anybody in the pulpit. 
But I think it's very important.

552
00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:32,720
Like we have to at least like 
the the big picture of our lives

553
00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:36,640
has to show faithfulness, right?
There needs to be gospel fruit 

554
00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:39,920
in the preacher's life or in the
evangelist life, whoever's 

555
00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:42,600
giving the gospel. 
Because if you're sharing the 

556
00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:45,120
gospel even with someone in your
family and you don't live like 

557
00:26:45,120 --> 00:26:48,000
the gospel's true, they're just 
going to call you a hypocrite 

558
00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:48,960
and a liar. 
Yeah. 

559
00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:54,880
And in those moments, I mean, 
you can say that too, right? 

560
00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:56,880
Like, I mean, I'm not perfect, 
right? 

561
00:26:56,880 --> 00:26:58,960
Because, I mean, inevitably, 
like you said, we all fall 

562
00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:02,080
short, right? 
And so it's for some people, it 

563
00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:04,400
is a hill that they want to die 
on. 

564
00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:07,560
But it just because someone sins
and is not perfect doesn't mean 

565
00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:10,560
that the message that they're 
they're preaching is not true. 

566
00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:12,200
Exactly. 
Yeah, Well, that's true too. 

567
00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:14,480
Like they're because like that's
that all that you can. 

568
00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:17,080
You opened up a whole can of 
things like do we cancel someone

569
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:20,840
someone forever and never ever 
burn all their books? 

570
00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:23,840
If they, you know, if they, you 
know, have some kind of public 

571
00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:28,080
sin that comes down the road 
later in life and then you've 

572
00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:30,120
people have benefited from their
preaching or their teaching or 

573
00:27:30,120 --> 00:27:32,760
whatever, and then they have 
this very public thing that 

574
00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:35,640
comes out. 
Do you then cancel them for it? 

575
00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:38,960
Or do you chalk that up and show
the them grace, maybe thinking 

576
00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:41,400
that the person who wrote those 
books is a different person than

577
00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:44,160
the person who made it anyway? 
I don't know. 

578
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:47,600
There it's there are two natures
in man, right? 

579
00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:49,760
There's some there's the the sin
nature that's still around, 

580
00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:52,240
hanging around, dying. 
It's like the snake with its 

581
00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:56,120
head crushed. 
He's still like, or I think I've

582
00:27:56,120 --> 00:27:59,280
maybe I've shared this on this 
podcast before, a bit like there

583
00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:03,320
was a snake in our front yard 
once and a moccasin. 

584
00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:05,040
I lived in the swamps in 
Florida. 

585
00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:08,360
So water moccasin was in our 
front yard and my grandfather 

586
00:28:08,360 --> 00:28:11,360
got out a shotgun and he, he 
shot it and blew it in half. 

587
00:28:11,360 --> 00:28:13,360
OK, like right in the middle was
a like terrible shot. 

588
00:28:13,360 --> 00:28:16,560
He was aiming for the head got 
right in the middle, but the, 

589
00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:19,640
the the two parts of the snake 
split in half and then the head 

590
00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:23,320
was like still like he's, he 
didn't know he was dead. 

591
00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:26,440
He's dead, but he's still 
harmful. 

592
00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:29,280
Like he could still hurt you, 
like he could still bite you. 

593
00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:30,520
He could still do all those 
things. 

594
00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:33,800
And that's a lot of the way. 
Like the sin, like the sinful 

595
00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:36,920
person inside us is still like 
that, that we own dwelling sin 

596
00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:38,880
in our lives. 
It doesn't it doesn't just go 

597
00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:41,520
away at conversion. 
That's why Paul says we're being

598
00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:43,800
saved. 
We are being saved over. 

599
00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:46,640
That's why we need the gospel 
more and more every day so that 

600
00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:49,480
we can believe it. 
So there's that two, there's two

601
00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:51,320
people in in each, each 
believer. 

602
00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:55,880
There's the the person who is, I
don't know, he's being saved. 

603
00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:58,640
He's there's, there's a it's 
just weird. 

604
00:28:58,640 --> 00:28:59,920
There's a weird thing to hold 
intention. 

605
00:28:59,920 --> 00:29:01,720
We're never going to be perfect 
until glory. 

606
00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:04,800
You're justified your your sin. 
Yeah, exactly. 

607
00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:10,120
Your past sin has been forgiven,
but you are being sanctified, 

608
00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:13,680
right You are well, you are 
sanctified and being sanctified,

609
00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:16,720
you're, you're, you're being 
saved from your sin. 

610
00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:19,800
And you know one day you will be
free from sin. 

611
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:21,440
Yeah. 
And so to answer the question, I

612
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:26,320
think like, yeah, to their 
point, in order for us to have 

613
00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:29,600
a, a message that's heard, like 
someone took like the to present

614
00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:33,080
your best foot forward, right, 
your life needs to be marked by 

615
00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:34,800
the gospel. 
Like there needs to be like 

616
00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:37,440
fruit in your life. 
How do you treat your family? 

617
00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:40,240
How do you treat your, the 
people you work with? 

618
00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:43,440
How do you how do you treat 
people on the road? 

619
00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:45,200
How do you how do you treat 
cashiers? 

620
00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:47,920
How do you treat other people? 
Like First Corinthians has been 

621
00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:52,080
talking about like the, the 
person that they know, like all 

622
00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:54,280
the different things that you 
can do in your life to make your

623
00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:57,480
life more presentable, right? 
You want to. 

624
00:29:57,600 --> 00:30:00,200
But so that I think that we just
have to strive for that and we 

625
00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:04,160
have to have to overall big 
picture like that. 

626
00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:06,520
We have to be able to say, yeah,
that that person is a faithful 

627
00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:08,120
person. 
They're not a perfect person, 

628
00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:11,240
but they're faithful and they 
they truly believe what they're 

629
00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:13,160
teaching. 
I think that's one of the 

630
00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:15,600
biggest things, too, is like, 
you can hear a gospel 

631
00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:17,800
presentation and you can read 
right through people who don't 

632
00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:18,880
really believe what they're 
saying. 

633
00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:22,480
They're just using manipulative 
words or phrases or they're 

634
00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:28,240
trying to, like, use the system.
But yeah, I said, but you have 

635
00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:29,320
to really believe what you're 
saying. 

636
00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:30,520
I think that's what Paul's 
getting at. 

637
00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:33,440
Paul believes what he's saying 
is true. 

638
00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:35,080
He believes the resurrection 
happened. 

639
00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:39,240
Now he had, in many ways, we 
have to have a stronger faith in

640
00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:41,040
Paul because Jesus did appear to
him. 

641
00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:43,520
And so we haven't had that 
happen to us. 

642
00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:45,640
You know, we have. 
So I think that it's just 

643
00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:48,480
important for us to remember, 
like, is this person faithful? 

644
00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:51,400
And then, you know, the other 
thing is like they have to they 

645
00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:54,440
have to hear it. 
Man's responsible because in in 

646
00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:59,560
Romans 10, what is it 1014? 
It's done. 

647
00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:01,560
Paul's talking about the 
message. 

648
00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:04,480
And then how can they, how can 
they preach and loser sent. 

649
00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:06,840
Oh, sorry, it's how can they 
hear unless they unless there's 

650
00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:09,120
a preacher. 
So like there has to be someone 

651
00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:11,440
giving the gospel. 
But I think it's important for 

652
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:13,320
us to remember, and maybe this 
is the answer to the question, 

653
00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:16,960
that that you look for someone's
faithfulness over time as fruit.

654
00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:21,000
And I think that would be how 
someone would be able to tell if

655
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:22,640
it's a genuine message or. 
Not well, yeah. 

656
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:24,960
And you mentioned the parable of
the sower in your sermon too. 

657
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:26,840
And I guess that's that's sort 
of what I'm thinking of. 

658
00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:27,960
Right. 
I call it the Parable of the 

659
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:29,320
soils. 
Parable. 

660
00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:31,920
It it? 
I think it's called both things.

661
00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:33,760
It might be. 
Yeah, I don't know. 

662
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:36,400
Well, those are not in the 
original manuscripts. 

663
00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:37,800
That's right. 
The, the titles and the 

664
00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:40,720
headings. 
But but yeah, there's I, I, I 

665
00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:43,880
felt like that was a really 
helpful and it helped me to see 

666
00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:46,320
like sometimes you have people 
who give professions of faith 

667
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:50,760
and you, you don't always know 
immediately whether it is a true

668
00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:52,960
profession of faith or not. 
But I think this is sort of the 

669
00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:57,560
point that like you see whether 
or not they truly are saved or 

670
00:31:57,560 --> 00:31:59,880
not, whether it is a true 
profession of faith by watching 

671
00:31:59,880 --> 00:32:02,120
their life. 
Yeah, because there are some 

672
00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:04,160
that just sprout up, right? 
They they don't just there's no 

673
00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:05,160
root there. 
Yeah. 

674
00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:08,440
And so you look, you look for 
fruit over time. 

675
00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:11,560
And so like to your point in 
this listener, this listener's 

676
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:15,240
question, that that person that 
you're sharing the gospel with 

677
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:18,040
or that you're sharing the 
message of the gospel with 

678
00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:21,560
should see you as being some 
somewhat different. 

679
00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:23,440
They should see some differences
in your life. 

680
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:26,760
If you look exactly like 
everybody else and you're 

681
00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:30,320
talking about, you know, things 
you're doing on the weekend that

682
00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:33,200
everybody else is doing and 
like, and it's not good. 

683
00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:35,560
That's that's not a faithful 
witness. 

684
00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:39,440
It's like, who are you to say to
to me like you, you don't do 

685
00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:41,600
anything different. 
Like do you read your well, no, 

686
00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:43,000
I don't. 
I don't really read the Bible. 

687
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:46,560
It's like, well then, so you you
need to be looking for fruit. 

688
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:50,320
And I think the parable of the 
sowers is a good example of of 

689
00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:54,560
the parable of the sower, 
parallel soils, whichever is a 

690
00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:57,240
good example of like basically 
you'll know them by their fruit.

691
00:32:57,240 --> 00:32:59,600
And Jesus says that, right? 
Yeah, I think that's true. 

692
00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:02,960
That's that, that is the, that, 
that for me, that was the whole 

693
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:08,320
point in bringing that in is 
that it was about, there's lost 

694
00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:11,000
people in the church too, right?
We have to recognize that there 

695
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:14,080
are lost people among us. 
And so wait. 

696
00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:15,760
So that's why we have to 
prioritize the message and we 

697
00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:18,560
have to give it every day, every
time we have an opportunity. 

698
00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:22,800
It's because I don't know when 
the Lord is going to like the 

699
00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:24,680
Lord saves. 
We believe that like that. 

700
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:27,240
We believe that the Lord is the 
one who does the saving, but 

701
00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:29,840
it's, I don't know when he's 
going to like when they're going

702
00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:31,600
to open their eyes. 
I don't know when the Lord's 

703
00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:34,240
going to choose to, like, make 
the scales fall from their eyes.

704
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:37,400
And so for me, it's just like we
have to continually give the 

705
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:38,280
gospel. 
Yeah. 

706
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:41,520
And hope that the Lord doesn't 
work. 

707
00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:44,440
We hope and pray each, each time
we give it that someone is there

708
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:46,640
and is hearing it and it's doing
the work in their heart. 

709
00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:48,600
Yeah. 
So yeah. 

710
00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:50,760
But I think live we have to live
our lives bearing fruit. 

711
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:53,120
Yeah. 
Well, and I guess just to touch 

712
00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:55,640
on touch on what you just like 
said about the Lord, the Lord 

713
00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:57,240
opening your eyes and the Lord 
saving them. 

714
00:33:57,240 --> 00:33:59,720
I think it's good to talk about 
that, that tension. 

715
00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:02,400
You know, sometimes we talk 
about, you know, the difference 

716
00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:05,360
between God's sovereignty, like 
God saving someone and opening 

717
00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:08,000
someone eyes versus like man's 
responsibility. 

718
00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:11,120
And I think it's, it's helpful 
to see the, the tension that's 

719
00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:13,760
there that, that we don't really
know where those two lines 

720
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:19,040
cross. 
But I, I find it helpful to 

721
00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:21,600
think of, like, think of even 
the way, that, the way that we 

722
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:23,719
pray. 
You know, I, I was just looking 

723
00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:28,159
over something like it was a 
book by Ji Packer called 

724
00:34:28,159 --> 00:34:29,800
Evangelism and the Sovereignty 
of God. 

725
00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:34,280
And he talks about like, you 
know, God's God's sovereignty. 

726
00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:37,400
God is the one who saves people.
And yet it's we're supposed to 

727
00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:39,679
evangelize and and. 
The question is, if God is 

728
00:34:39,679 --> 00:34:41,840
sovereign and he's going to save
people, why do we have to share 

729
00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:43,159
the gospel anyway, right? 
Right. 

730
00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:45,520
And, and I know one of the 
things that he points to at the 

731
00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:49,880
in the very outset of the book 
is that God's sovereignty and 

732
00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:52,040
salvation is something that we 
all recognize. 

733
00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:55,360
You know, like, like I've heard 
many people say this recently 

734
00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:59,480
that it's like we when we pray 
and we thank God for our 

735
00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:02,880
salvation, we're acknowledging 
that we didn't save ourselves 

736
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:07,080
like God saved us. 
And when we pray for people who 

737
00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:10,160
aren't saved, we're praying for 
God to open their eyes. 

738
00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:12,960
And so you can see in our 
prayers that we understand that 

739
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:14,920
like God alone is the one who 
saves. 

740
00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:19,240
But even Jesus in John chapter 6
talks about this tension. 

741
00:35:19,240 --> 00:35:22,560
He says all that the Father will
give me will come to me. 

742
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:26,200
And so there's a there's a sense
in which God is going to call 

743
00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:29,240
people, he's going to save them.
But then he goes on to say like 

744
00:35:29,240 --> 00:35:34,440
just a couple verses later, he 
says, but like anyone who, like 

745
00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:37,400
anyone who chooses me, I will 
save anyone who chooses me. 

746
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:40,520
What is it in John? 
I have it here somewhere. 

747
00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:43,680
So it's John chapter 6, verses 
38 through 40. 

748
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:48,080
Yeah, Christ speaks of losing 
none that the Father gives him. 

749
00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:51,520
That's that's God's sovereignty.
But he also says I'll give 

750
00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:54,880
eternal life to all who look to 
him and believe in the Son. 

751
00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:58,000
That's man's responsibility. 
And so there's, there's a 

752
00:35:58,000 --> 00:35:59,960
tension there. 
And I, I find that so helpful 

753
00:35:59,960 --> 00:36:05,080
that Jesus goes, God is 
sovereign, he saves, but you 

754
00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:08,760
have to, you have to choose. 
And he's, he doesn't 

755
00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:10,840
acknowledge, he doesn't even 
acknowledge that there's a 

756
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:12,040
tension between those two 
things. 

757
00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:13,560
He just says both of them, 
right? 

758
00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:17,240
And I think it's like, that's 
helpful for me to go, I, I don't

759
00:36:17,240 --> 00:36:20,080
need to make this tension a 
breaking point, right? 

760
00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:22,200
This tension is OK. 
There's something there that we 

761
00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:25,240
just can't understand. 
And like you said, even though 

762
00:36:25,240 --> 00:36:27,960
God is sovereign, we have to 
share the gospel. 

763
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:30,000
We have to talk. 
About, yeah, that's because 

764
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:32,200
that's because that's the way, 
that's the way he set it up. 

765
00:36:32,240 --> 00:36:34,000
Yeah. 
It's sort of like the order in 

766
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:36,240
worship type thing. 
Why do we do things the way we 

767
00:36:36,240 --> 00:36:38,520
do in worship? 
Well, that's because He wants us

768
00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:40,720
to do it that way. 
Do we understand it all? 

769
00:36:40,720 --> 00:36:42,840
Not really. 
I mean, we might, we might have 

770
00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:44,800
some kind of ideas about it, but
it's the same thing. 

771
00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:47,640
However, it is in the mystery of
the gospel. 

772
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:52,320
God, God expects and he expects 
us to share the gospel. 

773
00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:56,000
I think it's interesting too, to
think that there are people, I 

774
00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:58,360
heard a testimony recently about
someone who came to faith just 

775
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:01,720
by reading the Word, didn't have
anyone really telling them the 

776
00:37:01,720 --> 00:37:03,600
gospel. 
They were reading the Bible and 

777
00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:06,600
they got saved by it, right? 
They're still reading, they're 

778
00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:08,600
still hearing that from like a 
human author. 

779
00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:14,040
There's the scripture we believe
is is divinely inspired, written

780
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:15,880
by human authors. 
And so like they're still 

781
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:20,600
getting it from like a human 
technology, you know, in some 

782
00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:22,400
way, right? 
Like, so I think there's still 

783
00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:23,560
like there's still tension 
there. 

784
00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:26,320
And honestly, for him to 
understand, even Paul had to 

785
00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:31,640
have an apostle come, right? 
Ananias came scared to death. 

786
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:34,120
Like literally, like I'm not 
going there. 

787
00:37:34,240 --> 00:37:38,120
He told, he told the Holy Spirit
no, Ananiah said no. 

788
00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:40,240
And it's like another Ananiah 
said no. 

789
00:37:40,240 --> 00:37:43,600
And he died earlier in the Acts.
Remember that this Ananiah said 

790
00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:45,280
no. 
But then who was reassured by 

791
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:48,600
the Spirit, which I thought was 
very, that in itself is a very 

792
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:51,360
comforting thought. 
The patience of the Lord. 

793
00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:55,360
He goes and he shares and tells 
the gospel, tells the gospel to 

794
00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:58,800
Paul, you know, and Paul's, the 
scales fall from Paul's eyes and

795
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:01,840
he receives the Holy Spirit. 
An incredible story of 

796
00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:03,360
conversion. 
So yeah. 

797
00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:07,240
Yeah. 
Well, to I kind of wanted to 

798
00:38:07,240 --> 00:38:10,600
another question that I sort of 
wrote down was you talked about 

799
00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:12,840
your testimony is one of the 
most powerful things you can 

800
00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:14,680
share. 
So it's sort of this idea of 

801
00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:17,440
like the gospel is important. 
It's the message that we need to

802
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:19,800
share with people. 
And you said your your testimony

803
00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:21,920
is one of the most powerful 
things that you can share with 

804
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:24,040
someone about the message of the
gospel. 

805
00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:27,600
So I sort of just wanted to ask,
what advice would you give to 

806
00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:29,840
someone? 
I, I, I think probably most 

807
00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:32,360
people wrote a testimony when 
they had to share it, maybe at 

808
00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:34,280
their baptism and they've 
probably never looked at it 

809
00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:35,920
again or never thought about it 
again. 

810
00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:40,520
And, and how would you encourage
someone with how maybe to write 

811
00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:43,920
their testimony or, or to be 
able to share it in a, in a 

812
00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:46,280
clear and maybe short way, you 
know? 

813
00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:47,840
Yeah. 
So I mean, there's, there's 

814
00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:49,640
several different ways to go 
about this. 

815
00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:53,480
Like, it depends on the context,
but I think like sharing your 

816
00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:57,960
conversion is like explaining to
people like, like the might of 

817
00:38:57,960 --> 00:38:58,960
it. 
Like, I don't think that was 

818
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:00,960
the, the, the point in the 
sermon. 

819
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:03,840
Like we have to emphasize or 
recognize the might of, of the 

820
00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:05,480
gospel. 
And I think that's like 

821
00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:08,920
basically explaining someone who
I was before and who I am after.

822
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:11,520
Like, how did, how, what did the
gospel do? 

823
00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:14,160
So like, all right, what did we 
recognize what it is now? 

824
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:16,440
What does it do? 
And it, it changes your life. 

825
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:20,040
And so like, you know, it for a 
7 year old, it's going to look 

826
00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:23,320
way different right than than a 
45 year old person who comes to 

827
00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:27,000
faith in Christ way different 
because the 45 year old has had 

828
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:31,640
45 years of sin that in their 
life is going to look vastly 

829
00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:34,520
different for a 7 year old. 
It's not it's going to say, OK, 

830
00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:36,720
I, I realize and recognize my 
sin. 

831
00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:42,240
I disobey my parents, you know, 
and, or, or I have hatred in my 

832
00:39:42,240 --> 00:39:44,880
heart toward a sibling. 
Those are the types of things 

833
00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:49,560
that you might see, or I stole 
something, you know, basic 

834
00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:51,720
things, the breaking the 10 
commandments, those laws, right,

835
00:39:51,720 --> 00:39:53,480
which are not, they're not basic
in any way. 

836
00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:56,120
But, but that's the like, you 
see it as a child, a little bit 

837
00:39:56,120 --> 00:39:58,040
different. 
So your, your story's gonna be 

838
00:39:58,040 --> 00:39:59,880
different. 
But the, the main thrust of it 

839
00:39:59,880 --> 00:40:04,440
is like, what did my life look 
like prior to God invading my 

840
00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:05,800
life? 
And then what does it look like 

841
00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:07,480
now? 
And I think that's the other 

842
00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:09,760
thing I said. 
It depends on the context. 

843
00:40:11,240 --> 00:40:13,760
Something else we need to 
remember about testimony is like

844
00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:15,880
the testimony is not just about 
your conversion. 

845
00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:20,640
Like Joe, how many times in the 
last three months have you grown

846
00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:23,120
in your faith in different ways 
that you didn't expect to be 

847
00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:26,800
growing in, right? 
That's a testimony of how God is

848
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:29,360
changing you. 
And so like it's important for 

849
00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:33,320
us, like if you, if, if I talk 
to someone and I'm asking them, 

850
00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:36,080
for instance, if we, if we have 
an interview with, with someone 

851
00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:39,440
who's coming to, to join our 
church and you're going to share

852
00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:41,680
your testimony with us pastors, 
we want to know about your 

853
00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:44,400
conversion. 
But I do, I want to know, like, 

854
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:46,320
do you understand the gospel? 
When were you converted? 

855
00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:49,440
But what I really would like to 
hear is what is your life right 

856
00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:52,040
now? 
What, how is God, How are you 

857
00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:53,600
allowing God to work in your 
life right now? 

858
00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:57,240
How are you being saved? 
What's your testimony about your

859
00:40:57,240 --> 00:40:59,000
life? 
Your as a Christian now? 

860
00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:03,080
Because if it's just a 
conversion experience and 

861
00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:05,240
there's there's nothing you can 
explain to me how the Lord's 

862
00:41:05,240 --> 00:41:09,080
working in your life right now. 
I might be prone to think that 

863
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:14,400
the seed fell among rocky soil 
and sprouted up and it didn't 

864
00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:16,720
take root. 
So we have, I think we have to 

865
00:41:16,720 --> 00:41:22,520
really like we have to really be
considering am I do I have is my

866
00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:25,160
testimony ongoing? 
And that's one ways you can find

867
00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:27,040
out that, you know, you can 
really test your, your salvation

868
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:31,320
or not like Paul talks about, 
you know, testing your salvation

869
00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:34,160
or I can't remember exactly the 
words he uses, but working out, 

870
00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:35,400
you're working out your 
salvation. 

871
00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:38,520
And I think that's, that's the, 
that's what he's getting at. 

872
00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:40,880
He's like, Hey, is your, are you
growing every day? 

873
00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:44,360
You know, are you stagnant? 
Why are you stagnant? 

874
00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:46,720
So you were stagnant for a 
season. 

875
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:49,840
What happened? 
You changed because of the Holy 

876
00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:51,920
Spirit work in your heart. 
That's testimony. 

877
00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:54,320
So I think the biggest thing for
me when I'm looking in 

878
00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:58,360
testimony, maybe you have 
something different, but is, is 

879
00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:02,160
there, is there something before
Christ and what happened after 

880
00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:04,160
Christ? 
And then like, how's it ongoing?

881
00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:06,600
Yeah, No, I think that's, I 
think that's, that's exactly 

882
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:08,600
what I would share. 
I think that's really helpful. 

883
00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:09,720
I I've heard it explained that 
way. 

884
00:42:09,720 --> 00:42:13,000
A lot of people will explain it 
in exactly those terms. 

885
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:14,880
What, what was your life like 
before Christ? 

886
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:17,680
And, and you don't need to know 
the exact moment of your 

887
00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:20,320
conversion either. 
I don't think that's, that's not

888
00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:22,280
important. 
It's just helpful to look back 

889
00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:25,200
and go, well, if I look at a 
certain season of my life, you 

890
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:27,520
know, there was there was 
certain sin in my life and maybe

891
00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:30,880
I didn't feel guilt or remorse 
or shame over that sin. 

892
00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:35,840
But at some point I came to 
realize that sin and that it 

893
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:37,960
was, it made me guilty before a 
holy God. 

894
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:42,000
And you know, some people do 
have very, very clear conversion

895
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:44,840
experiences where it's like I 
was at an event, I was at a 

896
00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:48,920
whatever a revival meeting or my
mom's was talking to me like 

897
00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:51,800
they have very clear conversion 
experiences and other people 

898
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:54,400
don't, you know, I don't, I 
don't think I have one that's as

899
00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:57,800
clear as that. 
But you don't need to. 

900
00:42:57,800 --> 00:43:01,360
What was your life like before? 
You know, when you when you 

901
00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:03,000
still lived in sin? 
And what was it like after 

902
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:06,480
thinking of even like Jesus, 
you, you died and then you were 

903
00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:08,080
raised to walk in newness of 
life, right? 

904
00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:10,560
That's exactly what you were 
saying about you should be able 

905
00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:13,840
to see fruit in your life. 
And I think that's exactly 

906
00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:14,720
right. 
You know what? 

907
00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:18,120
That you should be able to write
this and share your testimony in

908
00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:20,520
like you should be able to share
it in 2 minutes. 3 minutes in 

909
00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:22,760
Max. 
Like it's just a, it's a quick, 

910
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:27,520
quick thing and I think it's a 
good, it's a good, not a 

911
00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:30,400
challenge. 
It's a good trial, a good 

912
00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:32,160
experience for everybody to do 
it. 

913
00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:35,400
Like if you don't have a 
testimony or you don't know how 

914
00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:38,360
you would share it, I think you 
should, I think you should take 

915
00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:42,480
the time to write, sit down and 
write down your testimony. 

916
00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:45,320
And if someone asked you, 
because right now, I guess if, 

917
00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:47,600
if I was sitting down with you 
and I said, Hey, how did you, 

918
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:50,360
what's your, what's your, what's
your conversion story? 

919
00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:52,360
What, what has the Lord done in 
your life? 

920
00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:55,200
How has God saved you? 
And you don't know how to answer

921
00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:59,160
that question. 
Then Well, you just put that you

922
00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:00,360
should know how to answer that 
question. 

923
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:03,400
You should know how the Lord has
saved you and it and it is 

924
00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:05,960
really just a presentation of 
the gospel, but in your life. 

925
00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:07,520
Right. 
How do we live it out? 

926
00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:09,960
That's right. 
So I think, yeah, I think 

927
00:44:10,240 --> 00:44:12,080
that's, that's exactly what you 
should be able to do. 

928
00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:13,960
I think that's a good challenge.
It is a good challenge. 

929
00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:15,840
A good, maybe a good just 
exercise. 

930
00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:18,600
Yeah. 
You know, take some time. 

931
00:44:19,240 --> 00:44:20,520
Like it doesn't. 
You don't have to do it right 

932
00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:22,800
now like you like you don't have
to do it in one sitting even, 

933
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:25,400
right? 
Think of it like, OK, what was 

934
00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:27,440
my life like before? 
Some people have it, like you 

935
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:30,600
said, a very clear way. 
But yeah, I think that's 

936
00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:32,120
important. 
I was thinking you when you were

937
00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:34,320
talking about testimonies, 
talking about the gospel and 

938
00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:37,440
sharing the gospel and like, how
do you do it with your kids? 

939
00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:40,200
Like someone stopped me in the 
hallway after and it's like, 

940
00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:42,080
hey, I'd really just like you to
sit down with my kid and tell 

941
00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:44,680
him I'm like, yeah, we couldn't,
we can talk about it, right? 

942
00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:47,280
Because I don't, I don't. 
I think it's very important for 

943
00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:49,680
parents to do that. 
Like, it's one thing to come sit

944
00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:53,120
down with pastor and say, hey, 
here are the like the 1-2 

945
00:44:53,120 --> 00:44:55,080
threes, the ABC's of the gospel,
right? 

946
00:44:55,080 --> 00:44:58,680
Admit, believe, confess, admit 
you're a Sinner, believe the 

947
00:44:58,680 --> 00:45:00,840
Lord Jesus died on the cross for
your sins and confess that 

948
00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:02,560
yours, you know, confess that he
is Lord. 

949
00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:05,680
Honestly, that's the three, the 
ABC's of it. 

950
00:45:05,680 --> 00:45:09,040
And so that's how it was 
described to me as a little kid,

951
00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:11,720
right? 
But the biggest thing that we 

952
00:45:11,720 --> 00:45:14,480
need to be teaching our children
is what what sin is like. 

953
00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:18,480
We need to be teaching them like
what sin is like and then what 

954
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:20,920
it does. 
And so like we're born with it. 

955
00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:23,200
It's something that all of us 
have. 

956
00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:25,440
All of us are fallen. 
All of us experience it. 

957
00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:28,200
We're all prone to it in 
different ways. 

958
00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:30,760
Even we're prone to like 
manifest itself in our lives in 

959
00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:32,760
different ways for different 
people. 

960
00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:36,320
But what you really need to like
express to your child what sin 

961
00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:41,840
is and then and then express to 
them the way out, like the way 

962
00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:44,160
that God has provided to 
reconcile to him because sin 

963
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:48,920
separates us from God. 
But but but God didn't do God 

964
00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:51,240
didn't make a way. 
He made the way through Jesus 

965
00:45:51,240 --> 00:45:55,400
right through the blood of 
Jesus, our sins are atoned for. 

966
00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:58,360
And so I think that would be 
where I'd start and just 

967
00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:02,280
whenever the child is ready to 
say I, I'm done with my sin. 

968
00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:04,760
I recognize that this is wrong 
and this is something that I 

969
00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:07,600
don't want in my life. 
I when they hate their sins so 

970
00:46:07,600 --> 00:46:12,840
much that they're ready to that 
tension again comes up right 

971
00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:14,360
when they the God is calling 
them. 

972
00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:18,440
You can tell when they start to 
hate their sin, then then just 

973
00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:21,440
talk to them about what Jesus 
did and explain to them that you

974
00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:22,840
know, God has to change your 
heart. 

975
00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:24,920
I can't change your heart. 
The Matt. 

976
00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:29,560
There's no magical prayer. 
Praying a prayer doesn't 

977
00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:32,680
necessarily do it that God has 
to do the work in your heart and

978
00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:34,800
then look for fruit. 
And then once that fruit's 

979
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:37,000
there, then you know, then we 
have a conversation about what 

980
00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:39,600
it means to be obedient, 
baptism, those types of things. 

981
00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:42,480
Like, I'll just give you like 
one of the ways I knew that our 

982
00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:44,920
oldest daughter was a Christian 
is because she shared the Gospel

983
00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:48,880
with her sister. 
Like, like she was, she shared 

984
00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:50,960
the gospel with her sister. 
And I think that's, that's 

985
00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:52,560
fruit. 
Like you don't share the gospel 

986
00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:54,280
when you know what I mean? 
Like it's not like something 

987
00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:56,960
anyway. 
And so I just think with kids, 

988
00:46:56,960 --> 00:46:58,360
you just have to like take your 
time. 

989
00:46:58,520 --> 00:47:03,200
You don't have to rush it. 
They'll they'll annoy you with 

990
00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:05,640
it. 
If it's something true, annoy 

991
00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:07,640
you with it over and over and 
over again. 

992
00:47:07,640 --> 00:47:09,120
It's not annoying. 
But you know, I think you get 

993
00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:11,000
what I'm saying. 
It's not a clanging gong. 

994
00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:12,240
Like Joe said, you're not 
annoying. 

995
00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:13,920
Well, I think, I think it's 
important. 

996
00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:16,400
I think it's important to 
mention too, you know, a lot of 

997
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:20,440
times when in parenting, what 
we're trying to do is behavior 

998
00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:23,480
modification, right? 
It's like, why did you hit your 

999
00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:25,160
brother? 
Why did you say that? 

1000
00:47:25,160 --> 00:47:26,880
Like, why are you guys so mean 
to each other? 

1001
00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:29,880
I'll tell you why. 
Because they're sinners. 

1002
00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:32,280
Because they're sinners, exactly
and so. 

1003
00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:35,080
If you don't believe in like 
that sins like born in kids, go 

1004
00:47:35,200 --> 00:47:36,760
go spend an hour in the daycare,
right? 

1005
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:40,640
That's exactly right, but it's 
like we're, we're missing the 

1006
00:47:40,640 --> 00:47:42,840
point. 
Like it the the answer to to our

1007
00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:46,600
kids is not like, OK, like 
let's, let's beat, let's modify 

1008
00:47:46,600 --> 00:47:48,880
your behavior and let's come up 
with a list of rules and 

1009
00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:51,360
legalism so that like you don't 
hit your brother anymore. 

1010
00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:55,040
No, that's a perfect moment for 
you to sit down with your child 

1011
00:47:55,040 --> 00:47:58,280
and maybe ask them why did maybe
why did you just do that? 

1012
00:47:58,920 --> 00:48:01,840
See what they say? 
And then that's your opportunity

1013
00:48:01,840 --> 00:48:04,920
again, to share the gospel with 
your child, which is that's 

1014
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:07,640
it's, it's not because a lot of 
times I know when I ask my kids 

1015
00:48:07,640 --> 00:48:08,720
that, like, why did you say 
that? 

1016
00:48:08,720 --> 00:48:09,520
Why did you? 
I don't. 

1017
00:48:09,520 --> 00:48:12,440
Know, I don't know. 
I don't know why, like I just I 

1018
00:48:12,440 --> 00:48:15,120
was mad and it's like that's sin
in you. 

1019
00:48:15,120 --> 00:48:18,520
That's like indwelling sin. 
And that's your opportunity to 

1020
00:48:18,520 --> 00:48:21,240
say it's not about just changing
your behavior. 

1021
00:48:21,240 --> 00:48:24,280
It's about you need Christ like 
you need the Holy Spirit in your

1022
00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:26,240
life. 
We're still going to sin, but 

1023
00:48:26,240 --> 00:48:28,560
you need the Holy Spirit to 
begin to help you to, to, like 

1024
00:48:28,560 --> 00:48:31,760
you said, to hate your sin and 
to want righteousness and sort 

1025
00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:34,720
of launching that forward. 
That same thing goes for us as 

1026
00:48:34,720 --> 00:48:36,960
adults, like when we confess sin
to each other. 

1027
00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:40,520
Again, we're wrong If we're just
aiming for behavior modification

1028
00:48:40,680 --> 00:48:43,880
and legalism and following a set
of rules, that is missing the 

1029
00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:45,640
point. 
That's where we need to preach 

1030
00:48:45,640 --> 00:48:49,120
the gospel to ourselves, which 
is like, first of all, Christ 

1031
00:48:49,120 --> 00:48:51,040
died for that sin, You're 
forgiven. 

1032
00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:53,840
Second of all, you don't just 
need rules. 

1033
00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:57,080
You need to pray for the Holy 
Spirit to strengthen you, to 

1034
00:48:57,080 --> 00:49:00,320
overcome indwelling sin in your 
life because you do still have 

1035
00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:01,360
your sin nature. 
Yeah. 

1036
00:49:02,120 --> 00:49:04,160
Yeah, exactly. 
And if you don't hate it, then 

1037
00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:07,640
you're not a Christian. 
That's just, that's if because 

1038
00:49:07,640 --> 00:49:10,000
you're, because you're not going
to do what Piper said. 

1039
00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:12,920
What did he say? 
He's like is, is demonstrate to 

1040
00:49:12,920 --> 00:49:16,600
the world that the glory of God,
a glorifying God is the all 

1041
00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:20,200
satisfying. 
You know, if if that's not the 

1042
00:49:20,200 --> 00:49:23,760
case, then like I, you know, I'm
not, this is not like, and I, it

1043
00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:25,680
sounds like I'm trying to get 
people to question their faith. 

1044
00:49:25,720 --> 00:49:30,720
I'm not because I if you're a 
Christian, you're a Christian. 

1045
00:49:30,720 --> 00:49:33,400
You're not going to lose it 
because those that he gives you 

1046
00:49:33,600 --> 00:49:36,320
that gives Christ those the 
father gave Jesus, he keeps 

1047
00:49:36,320 --> 00:49:39,040
right. 
I believe that and so but so 

1048
00:49:39,040 --> 00:49:40,640
it's not to get you to question 
your salvation. 

1049
00:49:40,640 --> 00:49:44,680
It's just to get you to like to 
consider like how am I living 

1050
00:49:44,680 --> 00:49:47,960
the gospel out every day? 
Like is it primary in my life? 

1051
00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:50,800
And so those are things you just
have to think about and you have

1052
00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:53,320
to constantly be constant course
correction. 

1053
00:49:54,440 --> 00:49:57,200
And that's from that was one of 
the final points is like even in

1054
00:49:57,200 --> 00:50:00,280
our ministries, because I was 
trying to apply this directly to

1055
00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:05,000
our church ministries, we have 
to be constantly course 

1056
00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:10,360
correcting because the world is 
a strong wind, right? 

1057
00:50:10,360 --> 00:50:12,800
It's a prevailing wind. 
And if we're not constantly 

1058
00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:16,480
course correcting, we can be 
blown not completely off course,

1059
00:50:16,600 --> 00:50:19,280
but we can just just not be 
helpful. 

1060
00:50:19,360 --> 00:50:21,480
Yeah, you know what I mean? 
So yeah. 

1061
00:50:21,800 --> 00:50:24,160
That's good. 
Well, just just to touch on the 

1062
00:50:24,280 --> 00:50:26,560
like the fruit of the Holy 
Spirit in your life, like you're

1063
00:50:26,560 --> 00:50:28,200
saying you're not trying to get 
people to question their 

1064
00:50:28,200 --> 00:50:30,560
salvation. 
I guess I'll just sort of add to

1065
00:50:30,560 --> 00:50:32,680
that. 
I know sometimes, sometimes 

1066
00:50:32,680 --> 00:50:36,240
people like feel guilt and 
remorse and conviction over 

1067
00:50:36,240 --> 00:50:38,360
their sin. 
And then they wonder that's 

1068
00:50:38,360 --> 00:50:40,400
those are the times where we 
struggle with assurance of 

1069
00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:42,360
salvation. 
It's like, am I even saved? 

1070
00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:46,800
Well, I would just say to those 
people, guilt and remorse and 

1071
00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:49,520
conviction over your sin is 
fruit of the Holy Spirit in your

1072
00:50:49,520 --> 00:50:53,280
life. 
And so run to Christ, receive 

1073
00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:56,000
the forgiveness that's there for
you, and, and go forward in the 

1074
00:50:56,000 --> 00:50:57,920
power of the gospel. 
Like you don't need to question 

1075
00:50:57,920 --> 00:51:00,040
your salvation every time you 
sin, right? 

1076
00:51:00,720 --> 00:51:03,520
The fact that you're convicted 
over your sin shows that you 

1077
00:51:03,520 --> 00:51:04,880
have the Holy Spirit in your 
life. 

1078
00:51:04,880 --> 00:51:07,920
He's the great counselor, right?
He's he's constantly revealing 

1079
00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:12,760
to you things that you need to 
give to Christ and like and just

1080
00:51:12,760 --> 00:51:15,520
like confess it. 
Say you're still trying to keep 

1081
00:51:15,520 --> 00:51:17,240
control. 
He's he's he's with you. 

1082
00:51:17,360 --> 00:51:20,720
He's indwelling you and he's 
fighting the sin for you. 

1083
00:51:20,720 --> 00:51:22,360
That's the that's the biggest 
thing I have to remember. 

1084
00:51:22,360 --> 00:51:24,960
So yeah. 
Yeah, that's good. 

1085
00:51:25,040 --> 00:51:28,680
Well, you have a final word for 
us as far as your sermon goes. 

1086
00:51:32,480 --> 00:51:35,280
Yeah, I just, I just think like 
we just have to make sure, I'm 

1087
00:51:35,280 --> 00:51:38,000
just going to say it one more 
time like that. 

1088
00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:40,720
We have to make sure that in our
lives, like in our personal 

1089
00:51:40,720 --> 00:51:42,280
lives, all the way out to 
whatever we do. 

1090
00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:46,440
Like the message of the church 
is the mission of the church. 

1091
00:51:46,440 --> 00:51:47,920
And that should be the same 
thing for our lives. 

1092
00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:51,480
The message, the gospel in our 
lives is the mission of our 

1093
00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:53,480
life. 
And if your, if your life isn't 

1094
00:51:53,480 --> 00:51:58,760
like on the trajectory of like 
making that the main thing, then

1095
00:51:59,200 --> 00:52:01,400
you really need to do some like 
some thinking and soul 

1096
00:52:01,400 --> 00:52:02,920
searching. 
And I've had to do it like over 

1097
00:52:02,920 --> 00:52:05,880
the last week. 
I mean, I do so many times that 

1098
00:52:05,880 --> 00:52:09,400
we have to do course corrections
and yeah, and like you said, 

1099
00:52:09,400 --> 00:52:12,240
that's the Holy Spirit working. 
So no, the message of the church

1100
00:52:12,240 --> 00:52:13,560
matches the mission of the 
church. 

1101
00:52:13,800 --> 00:52:15,320
Yeah. 
And I like that you just applied

1102
00:52:15,320 --> 00:52:16,960
that to our personal lives as 
well. 

1103
00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:18,400
It it's not just about the 
church. 

1104
00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:20,560
And then you go to your home and
then you live however you want. 

1105
00:52:20,560 --> 00:52:23,760
Like if if you're a Christian, 
then the gospel influences 

1106
00:52:23,920 --> 00:52:27,000
everything you do, right? 
Like the the things you watch 

1107
00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:30,200
together as a family, the things
you listen to, you know how you 

1108
00:52:30,200 --> 00:52:32,360
spend your money, all those 
sorts of things like the gospel 

1109
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is is a framework with. 
The things you watch in your 

1110
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private life too, right? 
You know all of those things. 

1111
00:52:37,200 --> 00:52:40,000
Yeah, it's like this is this is 
a framework through how to live 

1112
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your life is through the lens of
the gospel. 

1113
00:52:42,200 --> 00:52:45,160
Yeah, it's really good. 
Yeah, that's that's my final 

1114
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word. 
But you, you got a sermon coming

1115
00:52:47,320 --> 00:52:48,080
up. 
Yeah. 

1116
00:52:48,520 --> 00:52:51,320
So like you said, we're going 
into First Corinthians. 50 

1117
00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:53,240
Sorry, I kind of teased it out 
there, but I was thinking about 

1118
00:52:53,240 --> 00:52:55,040
it because we were just talking 
about it earlier today. 

1119
00:52:55,200 --> 00:52:59,400
Yeah, no, the resurrection and, 
and Paul is, he's going to go to

1120
00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:03,360
a long section of like talking 
from the negative aspect of 

1121
00:53:03,360 --> 00:53:07,440
like, well, there are people who
believe that, OK, Jesus was 

1122
00:53:07,440 --> 00:53:10,960
raised from the dead, but they 
didn't believe in their physical

1123
00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:13,280
resurrection, that they didn't 
believe that we're going to be 

1124
00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:15,280
raised from the dead. 
And so Paul goes into this long 

1125
00:53:15,280 --> 00:53:19,440
argument of, well, if there is 
no resurrection, then Christ 

1126
00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:21,200
didn't rise. 
And if Christ didn't rise, 

1127
00:53:21,200 --> 00:53:24,080
here's a whole bunch of 
implications of if Christ didn't

1128
00:53:24,120 --> 00:53:27,480
rise from the dead, basically 
like our faith is useless and 

1129
00:53:27,480 --> 00:53:30,200
we're just wasting our time. 
And so, yeah, I'm, I'm really 

1130
00:53:30,200 --> 00:53:32,080
excited for this message this 
week. 

1131
00:53:32,080 --> 00:53:33,120
Yeah, I was. 
Trying to think, was it the 

1132
00:53:33,120 --> 00:53:34,920
Pharisees or the set? 
Was the Sadducees, right? 

1133
00:53:34,920 --> 00:53:35,880
Yeah. 
You know why? 

1134
00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:38,840
Because they're really sad. 
You see, they're really, you 

1135
00:53:38,840 --> 00:53:41,080
know why they were so sad? 
Because they didn't believe in 

1136
00:53:41,080 --> 00:53:41,320
the. 
Rest. 

1137
00:53:41,320 --> 00:53:43,240
I remember my dad telling me 
that joke as a kid. 

1138
00:53:43,240 --> 00:53:46,640
I didn't get it. 
They were very sad, you see. 

1139
00:53:47,080 --> 00:53:49,080
OK, because there's no 
resurrection. 

1140
00:53:50,280 --> 00:53:52,320
Yeah, good. 
All right, great. 

1141
00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:55,400
Well, thank you all for joining 
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1142
00:53:55,400 --> 00:53:57,080
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1143
00:53:57,080 --> 00:54:00,920
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1144
00:54:00,920 --> 00:54:03,520
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1145
00:54:03,520 --> 00:54:08,800
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1146
00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:10,720
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1147
00:54:11,080 --> 00:54:13,680
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1148
00:54:13,680 --> 00:54:15,280
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1149
00:54:15,280 --> 00:54:18,400
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1150
00:54:18,400 --> 00:54:21,800
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1151
00:54:21,800 --> 00:54:23,040
Sunday. 
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1152
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