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Welcome to Beyond Sunday. 
That's. 

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Good. 
Welcome back, Joe. 

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Well, I, I just told you that I 
didn't listen to the whole 

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podcast last week, but you guys 
were making fun of me the way I 

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introduced. 
We did make fun of you a little.

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Bit that's all right. 
Welcome to Beyond Sunday. 

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Which is. 
An extension of the preaching 

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ministry here at LEMC and I am 
joined. 

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I am Joseph Penner, the 
Associate Pastor here at LEMC, 

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and I'm joined, as always, by 
Jonah Chitty. 

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Jonah, we can't say pastors 
anymore. 

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We're not pastors. 
We're just people. 

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We're just people. 
But you preached this last 

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Sunday. 
We were not here. 

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We we were away. 
But I did listen to the sermon 

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and, you know, you guys got to 
share in the Lord's Supper this 

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last weekend. 
How? 

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How was church this last 
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It was good. 
Church was really good as 

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always. 
You know, you nor Jake were here

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and so I was a bit whatever 
frazzled, but we have a good 

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team here. 
Like the Deacon team did an 

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awesome job setting everything 
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I didn't ever really think about
communion much. 

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Mr. Phil Ham took care of the 
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getting us in our hearts ready 
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So that was, that was easy, 
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I was a little worried when I 
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heard from anybody. 
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I mean, they, I knew they would 
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So. 
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thought, I thought things went 
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Good. 
We have a good worship team that

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you've trained up that knows 
what's that, what they're doing.

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And, yeah, everybody knew what 
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And yeah, it's good to know 
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Honestly, it is good to know 
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Like the, the. 
That's a weird thing to say, but

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it is good that the church is 
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It's full of people, and we all 
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do things. 
And so, yeah, it went out. 

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It went, it went like normal. 
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Yeah, that's good to hear. 
No, it we are so blessed to have

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so many people who are willing 
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themselves and to help the body.
It it is such a blessing to know

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that, you know, there's times 
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be able to be here. 
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Those are few and far between, 
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But it is a blessing to know 
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serve and to take ownership of 
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So we're very blessed in that 
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Yeah. 
All right. 

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Well, you preach a sermon. 
We're here to talk about your 

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sermon. 
And then making a little bit 

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further application, you know, 
the rubber hitting the road. 

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Did you get my title? 
I I didn't. 

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I worked so hard on my title, 
Joe. 

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No, it was priorities for godly 
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Priorities for godly living? 
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quick overview of your sermon? 
So it came from Nehemiah Chapter

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7, picking up on really the 
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he was setting up the city that 
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walls in record time, 52 days of
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it's done complete something 
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done. 
He comes in with a plan. 

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He's got priorities there too, 
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And so now they've got to figure
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think I use the example of like 
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they're the hard work comes in, 
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Like you've got, you've got 
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and you've got carpet and 
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You got to figure out who's 
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out the trash and all those 
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And so that's that's where 
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He starts to like figure out and
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set the city up for what it's 
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And so Nehemiah, he prioritized 
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My points were Nehemiah 
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God, the pursuit of godliness, 
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purpose of God. 
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Nehemiah's priority was the were
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have these priorities as well in
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And so, yeah, the city is built 
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Like we will know that like I, I
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preaching, but like, you know, 
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or Jesus is giving John the 
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how like the dimensions of the 
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Jerusalem, you know, And so like
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The purpose of that city was 
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And so like Nehemiah is setting 
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And I think I saw I said 
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are meant for or we're designed 
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And so like the city's also 
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My second point was that 
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of godliness by the people he 
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So he chose his brother Hannah 
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but he also chose this guy named
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So it's pretty convenient that 
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You can just start like if 
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something you say Han and both 
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That's like us all pastors 
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This Jane and Jane Joe. 
Jonah, Jane. 

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So, yeah, so but to talk about 
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one of a man who was like really
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Even though he's really 
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biggest qualification was that 
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many. 
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the people of God. 
That's just there in the text, 

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like really throughout the whole
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I mean, like Nehemiah, he knew 
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going to like populate the city.
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looked at the census and said, 
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who we have. 
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God and who he put it in there 
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And then my final point was 
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linking the, the story in the 
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Like there's a rubable 
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the genealogy of Jesus. 
He's in here, but he's also in 

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the genealogy. 
So he's, Zerubbel is, is part of

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the people who came out of the 
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He's part of that original group
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And then he's also a part of 
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people of God, which is ushered 
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the genealogy of Jesus. 
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can ever imagine, even though 
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a lot here, like they have no 
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He's like Doctor Betts in his 
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weaving this like beautiful 
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because it's, we're looking at 
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and he's doing so many amazing 
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So yeah, prioritize. 
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Nehemiah prioritized. 
That's kind of the basic the 

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basic point of the sermon. 
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Yeah, no, it was really good. 
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it. 
I thought it was really good. 

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I, I know at the beginning you 
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there's a lot of names in this 
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Yeah, I really started reading 
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Jonah, you can't read that. 
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And I'm like, it's not boring. 
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profitable for us and so. 
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like somewhere in your sermon, 
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numbers matter to God and and 
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they should matter to us. 
You said something to that. 

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Warren Wearsby, I think, is the 
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it's not so much that the people
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people count, right. 
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people matter. 
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Like, and there was another one 
somebody else like texted me and

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said that the Joshua connection 
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And he comes up later and too 
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yeah, these all these names and 
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arbitrary names. 
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families like that that were 
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Literally, they put their lives 
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captivity and to to go back and 
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like, yeah, they these are the 
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Nehemiah comes in and like, and 
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the wall and it is amazing, 
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But these people left without 
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anything would be successful. 
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we're OK, we're going to go. 
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Nebuchadnezzar said we can. 
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So Nehemiah comes in 100 years 
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and, and there we are. 
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Yeah, and I thought, I thought 
that was a really interesting 

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point that you brought out. 
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you said, they sort of risked 
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was like, yeah, OK, we're going 
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It, it wasn't like, you know, it
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promised land in the sense of 
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this. 
Great, it's not going back to 

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ruins. 
Exactly, it was a skin it you're

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you still, the enemies are still
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They don't like you. 
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that. 
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That's been clear from the book 
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risk and going back. 
I thought that was really 

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interesting, the way you drew 
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Yeah, it was a, it was a a 
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fact that they did it is, is 
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Yeah. 
What I thought I, I, as I was 

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reading through the text again 
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thought about, you know, there's
this one verse in verse 33 where

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it says the men of the other 
Nebo 52 And I just I, as I 

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thought about that, I thought 
about like, what if you did this

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in our church? 
We got a lot of people, we got a

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lot of people with similar last 
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So you go like you know the of 
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know the other Friesens. 
One of the things if I had, if I

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had more time, I might have gone
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But like in the early stages of 
like when I was looking at the 

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text and trying to figure it 
out, I was like, all right, we 

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could. 
We could literally do this. 

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Talking about church membership 
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importance of being known in 
your church is what I was 

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thinking. 
Yeah, these people are known as 

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inhabitants of Jerusalem, right?
These are, these are like the 

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people who came back. 
So like it is important for for 

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the people you like are in 
church with, it's important that

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you know them and they know you.
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right. 
And so like my, one of my first 

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ideas was like to just to like 
read off these names. 

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A portion of them. 
I probably wouldn't have read 

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all 73 verses, but then, but 
then like to like break in there

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and like read in like Penner, 
the men of Penner, you know, 18 

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the, the fairs, you know, 39 the
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know, but sort of sort of like 
that to, to sort of like just 

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bring home the point that, you 
know what it does matter that 

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you're counted. 
And so like for that church 

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membership in my mind is it's so
important like for us to know 

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who is like, who is, who are the
people who have, who have come 

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together and said, for lack of a
better word, there is no better 

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word. 
I don't think covenant together 

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where we come together and we we
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this is our family, this is our 
this is our family around the 

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word and around around the Lord 
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community. 
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censuses are that I think that's
what they point. 

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That's one thing they point to 
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Maybe that's the most. 
Important. 

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No, I think that's exactly 
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I think that point exactly that 
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illustration and reminder 
because you read these names and

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we have no connection or 
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whatsoever. 
So you just read them very like,

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you know, your brain sort of 
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them. 
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of think about the people in our
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it's easy for us to look at all 
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how does it really matter? 
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like what you said. 
Do the Friesians matter? 

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Right. 
You know, that guy who's married

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to that, does he matter? 
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Do his kids matter? 
Do his grandchildren matter? 

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Yeah, they do. 
They matter a lot because, like 

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you said, they matter to God. 
And so we have to remember when 

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we're reading these names that 
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households of people that were 
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Like, yeah, like, like verse 30,
just just for fun, the men of 

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Raima and Giba 621, the 621 
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That's 621 men in that in that 
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and children or their servants. 
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And that's why I think whenever 
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think in our last big meeting is
like numbers matter because they

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represent people, Like they 
represent individuals who are 

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coming here, learning the word 
are, are coming here and, and 

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being participants and like 
teaching the word. 

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Numbers matter because they're 
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numbers, like not because we 
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like, no, oh, we got 750 people 
on a Sunday. 

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No, there are 750 people here 
and they, they have 700 people 

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who have been exposed to God's 
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And that's that's an important 
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Absolutely. 
Because they count, right? 

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Yeah, Anyway. 
Well, and we see this consistent

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all through Scripture too, 
right? 

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Like God, God keeps records. 
He he has numbers. 

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You know, even in we think of 
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know that 3000 were added to 
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How do we know that it was 3000?
Because somebody was counting. 

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Somebody counted it right? 
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numbers matter very much to God.
And so like you said, I think 

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there's, there is a pitfall 
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careful of like, you know, 
that's the only thing that 

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matters. 
It's no, it's not. 

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It's about, like you said, those
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God's word. 
Those are people that can build 

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relationship and connection. 
It can be in community together 

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and be in. 
That's right. 

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And the more people that come to
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of what we're doing as a church 
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Committing to each other is, is 
equally important, right? 

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Like I think that's why I think 
membership is important, yeah. 

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Like we're going to commit and 
covenant with each other. 

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We're going to know. 
I know that, oh, you're in it 

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100%. 
I'm in it 100%. 

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We can hold each other 
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But also like, if like we know 
who like, for lack of a better 

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phrase as well, is like, we know
who that we're in charge of or 

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not in charge of is the wrong 
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We know who we're supposed to be
shepherding, right would be the 

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right word using biblical 
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Yeah. 
Like the flock at LEMC is all 

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the membership at LEMC and we 
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members but are, you know, are 
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They would probably consider it 
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like done the official thing, 
right? 

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It just makes it harder, like, 
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anyway, we could go down that 
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that was my whole point there. 
I would have done that in the 

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sermon had we had time to talk 
about that. 

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Yeah, you were. 
You were limited. 

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Because of, because of 
communion, Yeah. 

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But do you think that? 
Do you think that's a, would you

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draw out that application 
further when it comes to when it

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comes to the people who came and
they couldn't prove their 

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father's houses and they 
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they belong to Israel, Do you 
think that that that translates 

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and applies to the church as 
well? 

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I don't know. 
That's a good question. 

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Like people who can't prove that
they're Christians or what? 

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I guess that's. 

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What I'm sort of thinking of 
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No, I think that's true. 
I think it's important like one 

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of the ways, like one of the 
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when we take up membership, is 
that like there's an interview, 

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right? 
Like there, there is at least 

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some kind of questioning about 
your, your faith. 

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It's not, it's not in depth, 
right? 

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It is, but it's not right. 
We're just, we basically just 

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want to know, do you understand 
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you, do you profess faith in 
Christ? 

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That's essentially what it is. 
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our, our, that in that way 
you're tracing your lineage back

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to if you're adopted into the 
Kingdom or not. 

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The important thing to hear to 
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them away, right. 
He didn't say you're not allowed

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to stay in the like you can't, 
you can't live here. 

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You can't even consider yourself
Israelite. 

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It just means you can't serve in
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Like you may not be one of the 
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live in Jerusalem, but you can 
still, you can still be here. 

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You're still welcome in. 
I mean, the, that was one of the

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other points too, is like the in
the, in the big grand picture of

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what God is doing throughout the
history of the world. 

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He's, he's always been drawing 
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into his chosen people. 
He's always done it even like 

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even in the exodus, we were 
reading the exodus in our 

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reading plan. 
You'll read like the the rabble 

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or the others that that came 
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Those aren't Israelites. 
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from other areas that were 
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them in the Exodus that came 
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You know, So he's always been 
about bringing people to 

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himself. 
And then like even Rahab, all, 

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you know, all of those stories 
that we see of outsiders, Ruth 

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coming in from the outside and 
he's he's God. 

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God loves us all. 
He welcomes us all. 

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We just have to believe in him 
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right. 
In the Old Testament, they 

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believed promise. 
The Messiah is coming anyway. 

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I'm getting off on a rabbit 
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Joe. 
I don't, I think there's 

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something to think there. 
I don't know. 

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I haven't given it a ton of 
thought. 

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No, I just. 
I just, so I figure I'd draw on 

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that, 'cause I think, I think 
the, the, something that's 

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important is making a 
distinction, you know, 'cause, 

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you know, in our church boundary
plan, it's like we're, we're 

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going through Exodus and, and 
God makes a distinction between 

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his people and not his people, 
right? 

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Then when he starts sending the 
plagues, at some point, I think 

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it's the, the 4th plague, he, he
starts to make a distinction 

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between, all right, you know, 
your, your animals are gonna 

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die, all the Egyptians, but not 
one animal of all of the 

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Israelites will die. 
And so I think when we think 

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about the church, I think it's 
important for us to think, you 

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know, we do have membership and 
we do have, you know, those, 

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those sorts of things so that we
can determine, like you said, 

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who, who is a part of our 
church, who is a part of our 

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flock and who is not right. 
And that's where we have things 

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like church discipline. 
Because if you know, someone 

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might come in and like you said,
on the one sense, you know, we, 

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we do have an interview process 
where we're trying to determine 

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if people understand what the 
gospel is like. 

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Are you truly a follower of 
Christ? 

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And so in a sense, there's, 
there's like a, there's a step 

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that you have to take. 
It's not necessarily a hard 

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step, but at the same time, we 
we we're affirming whether the 

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truthfulness of that profession 
of faith over the next coming 

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months and years, right? 
And so if we see someone living 

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in sin, we are supposed to call 
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And if they refuse to obey and 
eventually even to the church, 

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then we're supposed to remove 
that person from membership 

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because their profession of 
faith is not valid because 

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they're refusing to be corrected
by by God's people. 

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And so there there are things 
that we're supposed to do so 

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that we're truly discerning who 
who is a Christian and who is 

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not a Christian, who is in the 
family of faith and who is not. 

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Yeah, there are ways to do it 
and they in their biblical ways,

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right. 
That's the thing too. 

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It's not arbitrary. 
It's not man made. 

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This is something that that 
Jesus said to do. 

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Exactly. 
Yeah, I think, I think 

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membership matters that that if 
that's the point that I'm 

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driving at, there is like it's 
it is important to to covenant 

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with your church. 
Yeah, it is an important step, 

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absolutely. 
And and that's it's people are, 

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people are. 
That's the, that's the beautiful

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thing. 
You know, we, the more we talk 

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about things like that, the more
we show the importance that's in

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scripture, people respond. 
And I'm grateful for it for 

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sure. 
Yeah. 

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Yeah, well in your in your point
about prioritizing the praise of

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God, I, I really appreciated 
that you talked about you've 

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already mentioned alluded to it.
We were created for worship and 

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Nehemiah sort of sets up worship
that you have already said, like

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Jerusalem was a city, it was 
created for the worship of God 

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and we was sort of made for 
worship. 

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And then you sort of ask this 
applicational question, do we 

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prioritize the praise of God in 
our lives? 

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And so I, I just wanted to maybe
have you like expand on that a 

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little bit and then maybe even 
ask the question about like, how

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can we like, what ways can we be
prioritizing the praise of God 

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in our lives? 
So praise would be like 

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something that you immediately 
think of what when you hear the 

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word. 
Singing, Yeah. 

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It's not necessarily that it can
be right. 

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So, but it isn't it is what most
people think of the immediate 

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thing. 
I I just link it to what what do

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you worship? 
And like that's even a foreign 

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concept to a lot of people like 
the the word worship. 

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What do you what do you make the
most important thing in your 

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life? 
Like is it, is it we would marry

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people might say their spouse or
their kids. 

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That's idols. 
That's, that's, that's an idol. 

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If you make that the most 
important thing in your life, 

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that's an idol. 
You, you might worship that and 

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you might praise that like, Oh, 
I'm praising my son for his 

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great hockey skills, you know, 
at the hockey match last week. 

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So dude, I, I think it's going 
to sound like a, like a dead 

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horse that were beaten right? 
The same thing over and over 

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again. 
But like the way that you can 

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prioritize the praise of God is 
by, by making your life centered

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around his word. 
I I. 

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I don't know any I don't know 
any other way to do it, right. 

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Yeah, it it can include singing,
which that's the most it is a 

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response, right? 
The doxology and like like 

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singing, like our, our, our 
theology, though, like the word 

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needs to be what informs what we
worship and what we like, what 

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like outward expression of our 
worship is like. 

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So I think like a heavy diet of 
the word like is so important 

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for you to get to get it to like
to make God the center of your 

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life. 
Yeah, I just want to, I want to 

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explain a little bit. 
So like you, you said theology 

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and we use the word theology and
we talk about theology. 

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And I think a lot of times when 
people hear that word, they sort

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of they get scared and they sort
of disassociate themselves and 

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they immediately put that in a 
class of something that they are

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not, Yeah. 
And that they don't think of. 

448
00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:08,920
But everybody's a theologian. 
Everybody is a theologian. 

449
00:21:08,920 --> 00:21:11,000
What is? 
Made that famous, yeah. 

450
00:21:11,440 --> 00:21:14,120
So theology is what Theos is 
gone. 

451
00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:17,040
Yeah. 
And then ology we we know that 

452
00:21:17,040 --> 00:21:20,080
it means the study of by all the
different subjects you study in 

453
00:21:20,080 --> 00:21:23,240
school, like biology and 
sociology and psychology. 

454
00:21:23,560 --> 00:21:25,000
It's just the study of 
something. 

455
00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:27,800
So yeah, theology is just the 
study of God. 

456
00:21:27,840 --> 00:21:30,360
Yeah, it's, it's exactly, it's 
the study of God. 

457
00:21:30,360 --> 00:21:34,240
And so when we read the Bible, 
we are being informed of who God

458
00:21:34,240 --> 00:21:36,520
is, right. 
And so when you read the Bible, 

459
00:21:36,520 --> 00:21:39,040
you're studying God. 
You, you're being a theologian. 

460
00:21:39,040 --> 00:21:40,600
And so. 
And you're interpreting it. 

461
00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:42,400
You're, you're reading it, 
you're trying to make 

462
00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:44,200
connections and you're trying to
figure out what does it mean? 

463
00:21:44,200 --> 00:21:46,080
Yeah, like what is it saying 
about God? 

464
00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:48,240
What is it saying about me? 
What is it saying about the 

465
00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:51,000
world I live in? 
You're developing a theology. 

466
00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:53,400
Yeah. 
Study of what God has done, 

467
00:21:53,400 --> 00:21:55,600
whether you know it or think you
are or not. 

468
00:21:55,600 --> 00:21:57,080
Exactly. 
Everybody's a theologian. 

469
00:21:57,080 --> 00:21:59,520
Yeah. 
And so when you see someone 

470
00:21:59,520 --> 00:22:03,920
living a certain way and you go,
that's a sin, you just said 

471
00:22:03,920 --> 00:22:06,360
something about theology, right?
You just said something about 

472
00:22:06,360 --> 00:22:08,360
who God is or who God isn't, 
right. 

473
00:22:08,360 --> 00:22:12,840
And so your beliefs, how you 
think that you should live or or

474
00:22:12,840 --> 00:22:15,840
that we should live as 
Christians, what you believe 

475
00:22:15,840 --> 00:22:17,800
about God and what you believe 
about the Bible, what you 

476
00:22:17,800 --> 00:22:20,400
believe about being a Christian,
that is theology, right? 

477
00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:21,840
And so I'm just, I just wanted. 
To. 

478
00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:24,040
So yeah, that's good. 
Clarify that just so that like 

479
00:22:24,040 --> 00:22:26,200
people don't separate 
themselves, right? 

480
00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:29,000
Everything that we do to 
understand who God is and and 

481
00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:32,000
how we how he is to be 
worshipped is is theology. 

482
00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:33,880
Yeah. 
So here's a challenge for you. 

483
00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:36,560
For anybody else that that's 
listening is just like, OK, so 

484
00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:40,880
figure out where does this idea 
like you use the example of 

485
00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:43,160
like, OK, that's sin. 
You pointed sin out in someone 

486
00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:45,360
else's life. 
OK, where does that idea that 

487
00:22:45,360 --> 00:22:49,480
that's a sin come from? 
Does it come from my experience 

488
00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:51,520
in my family? 
Is it come from just like 

489
00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:54,720
cultural things that's handed 
down to me or does it come from 

490
00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:57,360
me seeing it in God's word? 
Right, right. 

491
00:22:57,680 --> 00:23:00,000
So that's the distinction. 
So like you need to figure out, 

492
00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:05,800
is my belief system, is it, is 
it driven by God's word or is it

493
00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:12,800
driven by culture and family, 
tradition, background, whatever.

494
00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:15,120
And then then maybe they're 
right. 

495
00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:18,160
You know what I mean? 
They probably are right. 

496
00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:19,600
And a lot of the times we get it
right. 

497
00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:23,120
Absolutely, we do get it right 
sometimes and maybe they're 

498
00:23:23,120 --> 00:23:24,040
reading their Bible. 
That's great. 

499
00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:26,000
But you want to test everything.
You want to make sure that it's 

500
00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:28,280
all like that's centered and 
driven around the word. 

501
00:23:28,280 --> 00:23:32,600
So, so like I think that like 
our our worship or the praise of

502
00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:34,800
God, prioritizing the praise of 
God in my life means that I'm 

503
00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:38,800
I'm seeking him out. 
I'm trying to know him right. 

504
00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:42,360
So that's that's the goal. 
I think that and I and for, for 

505
00:23:42,360 --> 00:23:46,080
Nehemiah, what they were doing 
is they were, they were setting 

506
00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:51,040
Jerusalem back up as this, as 
this image or this model of, of 

507
00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:53,480
worship and praise. 
So basically Jerusalem was 

508
00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:57,480
supposed to be this beacon of 
light in the world showing like 

509
00:23:57,480 --> 00:24:01,600
these people worship Yahweh and 
like you should too, right? 

510
00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:02,920
So that's what that's what it 
is. 

511
00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:06,000
So setting your life up to be 
that way would be OK. 

512
00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:09,600
I'm making the word a priority 
in my life and and I'm making it

513
00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:14,080
such a priority in my life that 
I can't help but someone else 

514
00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:17,440
see me and say, oh, there's 
something different about that 

515
00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:19,720
person. 
You know, it's like that guy who

516
00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:22,240
told us about meeting someone in
the store and he's like, he was 

517
00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:23,840
telling us about that guy loves 
Jesus. 

518
00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:26,240
You know what I mean? 
It's like that's like something 

519
00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:29,240
wears on his sleeve. 
It's not a T-shirt, it's just 

520
00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:30,600
who he is. 
Yeah, you know. 

521
00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:32,280
Anyway. 
It just sort of naturally comes 

522
00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:35,000
out in your conversation and the
things that you say or do. 

523
00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:36,240
Yeah. 
Yeah, I think that would be, 

524
00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:37,320
that would be where I would draw
it. 

525
00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:38,560
I don't know, maybe that's not 
what you're going. 

526
00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:40,360
For no, that's great. 
But yeah, you're right, 

527
00:24:40,360 --> 00:24:43,280
theology, we need to we can't be
scared of the word, right? 

528
00:24:43,360 --> 00:24:44,520
Don't shut down when you hear 
it. 

529
00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:46,720
And when there's a Wednesday 
night class offered about it, 

530
00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:50,680
don't don't shut down and say, 
oh, theology one O 1. 

531
00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:52,760
That's no, we're just going to 
study God. 

532
00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:54,240
We're just going to figure out 
who God is. 

533
00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:56,200
And so, hey, don't be scared of 
the words. 

534
00:24:56,760 --> 00:24:58,880
Well, and it's like you said, 
like we, we have to center it 

535
00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:01,440
on, on God's word. 
And, and that's going to be the 

536
00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:04,000
focus of my sermon next week in 
Nehemiah chapter 8. 

537
00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:06,400
If you want to read ahead, 
you'll you'll see that that it's

538
00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:09,360
it is about. 
Let's put God's word back at the

539
00:25:09,360 --> 00:25:11,720
center right of everything that 
we do. 

540
00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:14,760
I think, by the way, before we 
move on from like setting up the

541
00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:16,520
city, like that's what Nehemiah 
is doing. 

542
00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:18,840
So Ezra's going to come and 
read, right? 

543
00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:21,120
I named my kid Ezra because he's
a helper. 

544
00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:26,760
Ezra means help helper in Hebrew
anyway, so Ezra's going to come 

545
00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:30,040
and read the word to the city as
the priest. 

546
00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:33,480
But Nehemiah has done all the 
hard work to get this, the city,

547
00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:38,120
secure so that they can all just
stand there without worrying, 

548
00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:39,880
right? 
And listen to God's word. 

549
00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:41,600
That's what the city's intended 
for. 

550
00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:43,720
Yeah. 
So that's what he's doing. 

551
00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:47,160
So yeah, he prioritized praise. 
Yeah, absolutely. 

552
00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:49,520
Yeah, that's really helpful. 
I think that's really good. 

553
00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:51,600
Yep. 
And then you sort of talked 

554
00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:55,200
about, I kind of wanted to hone 
in on your second point, which I

555
00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:57,520
don't have written down 
correctly prioritize. 

556
00:25:57,560 --> 00:25:59,600
The pursuit of holiness. 
Pursuit of holiness. 

557
00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:01,520
And in there you started to 
mention this Hananiah and 

558
00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:05,320
Hananiah. 
And Hananiah is is chosen 

559
00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:12,080
specifically because he's he is,
as the text says, yes, more 

560
00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:14,840
faithful and God fearing man 
than many. 

561
00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:19,680
And so he doesn't note his like 
skill, his ability or anything 

562
00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:22,600
like that, but his character. 
Yeah. 

563
00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:24,680
So why don't you touch on that a
little bit? 

564
00:26:25,360 --> 00:26:32,160
Yeah, I mean, so often we look 
at we look at people who it 

565
00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:36,160
says, I was just reading there. 
It says he, he Oh no, he gave 

566
00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:37,720
him the governor of the castle. 
So yeah. 

567
00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:42,840
So no, no, sorry, I'm I'm 
pausing there because I'm 

568
00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:44,240
reading it. 
So he get I gave my brother 

569
00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:47,600
Hananiah and Hananiah the 
governor of the castle. 

570
00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:51,640
So that's the parenthetical the 
governor of the castle charge 

571
00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:53,520
over Jerusalem. 
So I gave these two guys charge 

572
00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:56,080
over Jerusalem. 
But Hananiah specifically, he 

573
00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:57,840
had skills, right? 
So I don't want to overlook the 

574
00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:01,680
fact that he did have skills, 
but what the most important 

575
00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:05,920
thing for him was, and Nehemiah 
like picked up on is like this 

576
00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:09,280
is a God fearing man. 
He's more God fearing than many.

577
00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:13,040
He may not have been the most 
qualified person there. 

578
00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:14,520
And that's the thing to think 
about. 

579
00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:17,960
Like he may not have been the 
most qualified physically or 

580
00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:22,160
with his leadership capabilities
or whatever, but he was known as

581
00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:24,920
a God fearing man. 
And I think that that's like, 

582
00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:27,880
like in our lives, we, we need 
to make that our like a 

583
00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:30,640
priority. 
We need to make the pursuit of 

584
00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:32,160
godliness like a priority in our
life. 

585
00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:34,840
And that goes back to like all 
the things, the disciplines that

586
00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:36,640
we talk about. 
We talk about Bible intake, we 

587
00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:39,920
talk about prayer, we talk about
like silence and solitude and 

588
00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:42,080
meditation and fasting and all 
these things. 

589
00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:45,080
Those are the outward signs that
show people that you're a God 

590
00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:47,680
fearing person, right? 
And then the way you treat other

591
00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:50,040
people also shows that you're a 
God fearing person. 

592
00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:53,800
But like we, the world tells us 
to prioritize everything else. 

593
00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:58,040
Like literally you need to do 
whatever it is, build every 

594
00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:01,400
skill you can in order to, to 
get ahead in your job. 

595
00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:04,600
The way you're going to get a 
job and to get a get promoted is

596
00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:07,080
you're going to do a good job. 
You're going to like, you're 

597
00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:08,920
going to do more than you're 
expected to. 

598
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:12,320
You're going to, you know, 
whatever you maybe, maybe you do

599
00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:14,720
something unethical to get ahead
and you and to, to get 

600
00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:17,720
accolades. 
So doing the like the best job 

601
00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:19,840
or the person who seems like 
they do the best may not be the 

602
00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:23,600
best person out there. 
What's most important is to be 

603
00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:25,520
known as a godly man or a godly 
woman. 

604
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:28,240
That is such a good 
encouragement because you're 

605
00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:30,960
exactly right. 
Our, our temptation is always 

606
00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:34,320
to, to feel like spending time 
praying, reading the Bible, 

607
00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:36,880
going to the Bible study, going 
to church, like those things are

608
00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:42,160
a quote, UN quote waste of time.
And like you said, that's always

609
00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:44,760
the temptation in our mind. 
You know, that we don't want to 

610
00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:47,600
like slow down and stop to spend
time with God, but that is the 

611
00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:49,200
most important thing that we can
do. 

612
00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:53,080
And we have to avoid that 
temptation so that we can make 

613
00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:55,200
sure that we are being faithful.
To exactly Yeah. 

614
00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:57,160
And another temptation is like 
to feel like you're going to 

615
00:28:57,160 --> 00:28:59,560
miss out on something. 
I may miss out on something if I

616
00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:02,160
spend 30 minutes in God's word 
now, I may miss out on whatever 

617
00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:04,600
the the next thing. 
And that's both social media 

618
00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:06,640
feed is right. 
Who cares? 

619
00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:11,320
Like you literally are going to 
be like sitting with the, the, 

620
00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:14,000
the person who created the 
universe. 

621
00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:16,400
And that's just like, like, why 
would you? 

622
00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:19,400
Why would you think that? 
Honestly, I think it's because 

623
00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:21,120
we are just so weak. 
We don't see it. 

624
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:23,040
Yeah. 
And so it's really hard for us 

625
00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:24,480
to to understand it. 
So. 

626
00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:26,720
Yeah. 
We're very short sighted. 

627
00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:27,680
Yeah, we are. 
Absolutely. 

628
00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:30,960
We can only like, yeah, that 
that's our faith is weak. 

629
00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:34,200
Mine is for sure. 
Well, it is so weak. 

630
00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:36,920
You know, I, we were talking 
about, you know, our Bible 

631
00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:39,920
reading Exodus chapter 16 and 
17, where, you know, the people 

632
00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:42,200
of Israel begin to set out. 
They start to grumble, they 

633
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:44,520
start to complain. 
And then God says he's going to 

634
00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:48,000
provide, he's going to provide 
food for them and he's going to 

635
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:49,960
provide mana. 
And he does this to test them. 

636
00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:55,240
And so he first says, OK, you 
know, go out, take, you know, an

637
00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:59,320
Omer for each person in your 
house for the day and like don't

638
00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:01,200
leave any over till the next 
day, though. 

639
00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:03,560
And then, you know, there were 
some, some people who were like,

640
00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:05,360
wow, I ain't eating this all 
today. 

641
00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:07,800
You know, I'm not, I'm not sure 
there's going to be any 

642
00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:10,000
tomorrow, right. 
So they save a little bit and 

643
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:12,080
then it breeds worms, which. 
Is an Omer. 

644
00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:17,360
It's actually a 10th of 22 
liters, that's what that's what 

645
00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:20,880
my footnote said. 2.2. 
Liters. 2.2 liters per person. 

646
00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:23,240
I don't know how you measure 
bread in liters. 

647
00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:28,440
Sorry, sorry for that guys. 
But yeah, it's interesting. 

648
00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:30,120
And then the next and then on 
the 6th day. 

649
00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:33,200
Spoils in your house, smells bad
and everything, yeah. 

650
00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:36,040
And then on the 6th day, it's 
like gather, gather enough for 

651
00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:38,280
two days and don't come out the 
next day. 

652
00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:39,760
What do the people do the next 
day? 

653
00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:42,760
They come out, right? 
And the Lord, like, just why are

654
00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:46,360
they not listening? 
I have given you the Sabbath to 

655
00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:48,160
enjoy. 
And it's like, why won't you 

656
00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:50,520
just listen and heed my word? 
Yeah. 

657
00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:53,480
And it's just, you're right. 
We're so short sighted. 

658
00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:57,960
And I find so often that it's 
like, you know, the same thing, 

659
00:30:57,960 --> 00:30:59,040
right? 
It's easy for us to look at them

660
00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:01,240
and go, man, you guys are just 
so dumb. 

661
00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:04,760
You know, it's like their 
fingers pointed right back at me

662
00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:05,800
too. 
And it's like, why are you? 

663
00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:07,200
Why do you have such little 
faith? 

664
00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:10,360
That's right. 
Why don't we trust God and his 

665
00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:14,440
promises and his commands more 
and trust that he is going to 

666
00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:17,480
bless us if we're faithful to 
him instead of always feeling 

667
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:18,760
like. 
And, and the thing that I 

668
00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:21,320
thought was really interesting 
about this season of Israel's 

669
00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:23,880
life is they're just starting a 
journey in the wilderness that's

670
00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:27,880
going to last 40 years. 
And then in that entire 40 

671
00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:33,000
years, they don't do a single 
thing to make food for 

672
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:37,120
themselves for 40 years. 
You wake up, you pick it up off 

673
00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:38,080
the ground. 
Yeah. 

674
00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:40,880
They don't, they don't plant a 
garden, they're not farming. 

675
00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:44,320
They're they're doing nothing. 
And God is literally providing 

676
00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:49,120
for them for 40 years and he's 
wanting them to learn to trust 

677
00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:50,880
him. 
It's like I am going to take 

678
00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:52,920
care of your needs. 
I'm going to take care of you. 

679
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:56,560
Your responsibility is to listen
to my word, to follow my 

680
00:31:56,560 --> 00:31:59,000
instructions, to hear me. 
And the other interesting thing 

681
00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:02,920
is we talk about, well, well, 
God's people following God's 

682
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:05,200
revealed word at any given point
in time, right? 

683
00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:07,000
They don't have the 10 
commandments yet. 

684
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:11,240
They don't have all the laws. 
Here's God's word for you today.

685
00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:15,560
Go take an Omer of manna for 
each person in your house. 

686
00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:18,520
That's God's revealed word for 
them at this point. 

687
00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:23,080
And it's like, just obey that. 
And for us, it's like, you know,

688
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:25,560
we are in the New Testament. 
It's like we, so we have all 

689
00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:27,880
this, all the scripture from the
Old Testament that leads us to 

690
00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:29,520
the New Testament. 
And we have all of Jesus 

691
00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:32,040
commands which are summed up and
love the Lord you God with all 

692
00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:34,120
your heart, soul, mind and 
strength and love your neighbor 

693
00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:37,240
as yourself. 
But it's like, do we trust God 

694
00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:41,040
enough, like you said to not 
take the shortcut of like, how 

695
00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:42,240
am I going to get ahead in 
business? 

696
00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:44,000
It's like, do I trust God enough
to go? 

697
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:47,400
No, my integrity and honesty is 
more important than another 

698
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:49,880
dollar. 
Yeah, it's and it's work, It is.

699
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:53,360
It's not like you're not going 
to get godliness. 

700
00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:55,280
You're not going to be I think 
this was one of the points I 

701
00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:57,760
made in the sermon is like 
you're not become known as a God

702
00:32:57,760 --> 00:33:01,080
fearing man unless you put in 
the work and do the things that 

703
00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:04,560
that that are required to be 1 
Like you can't just be known as 

704
00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:08,560
a God fearing man, right? 
Like a God fearing man fears the

705
00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:10,480
Lord, which means he like 
reveres him. 

706
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:15,800
He prays, he reads his word, he 
he, he prays with his family. 

707
00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:21,120
He demonstrates how to properly 
love a spouse by loving his wife

708
00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:23,520
and praying for her. 
Like in the presence of the 

709
00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:26,880
kids. 
Like you don't. 

710
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:28,360
You don't get there without 
working. 

711
00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:31,160
That's actually a really helpful
way of thinking about this. 

712
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:33,280
OK, well, how do you know who's 
like a God fearing man in the 

713
00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:34,920
church? 
Probably a good way to to answer

714
00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:39,080
that question would be, well, if
if you wanted help or advice or 

715
00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:42,200
assistance or, you know, from 
some godly man in the church, 

716
00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:45,080
like who comes to your mind. 
Yeah, and that those would be 

717
00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:47,200
people that you would 
instinctively think of like, OK,

718
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:49,640
those are people that that are 
godly people, right? 

719
00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:54,120
Like you, you know them for for 
that the fact that they love the

720
00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:57,240
Lord and and their desire is to 
live their lives to be faithful 

721
00:33:57,240 --> 00:33:58,800
to him. 
Right, and that shouldn't be 

722
00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:03,120
like our we should look for 
leadership for people who are 

723
00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:05,200
qualified to do the do the 
actual tasks. 

724
00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:07,840
But like if there's two people 
or three people that are 

725
00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:10,199
qualified to do the task, look 
for the most God fearing person.

726
00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:13,280
That's that is that. 
To me, that's the application. 

727
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:17,639
If you're looking for leaders, 
yeah, that is the application. 

728
00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:18,920
That actually, hey, you know 
what? 

729
00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:21,440
We never talk about single 
people on the podcast. 

730
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:24,040
It's true. 
We don't I'll draw in something 

731
00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:24,320
here. 
It's. 

732
00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:25,880
Harder though. 
All right. 

733
00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:29,199
So yeah, in we're married. 
We're not single anymore. 

734
00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:32,159
It is harder to like. 
Anyway, sorry, I'm. 

735
00:34:32,639 --> 00:34:34,639
I'm now making excuses. 
No, that's OK. 

736
00:34:34,639 --> 00:34:37,360
I, I, I've heard people say this
before and I, I do think it's 

737
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:40,239
something we need to address 
more often, but something you 

738
00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:42,159
just said, maybe think about 
something that I've heard a 

739
00:34:42,159 --> 00:34:45,320
pastor say about, you know, like
people single who are single. 

740
00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:49,639
A lot of times we, you know, 
people get to a point maybe 

741
00:34:49,639 --> 00:34:51,840
where they're, they're thinking 
too much about like trying to 

742
00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:54,080
find this perfect person, this 
perfect soul mate. 

743
00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:57,120
And, and he sort of says I know.
Where you're going with this? 

744
00:34:57,120 --> 00:34:59,360
He sort of says, you know what, 
what you ought to do instead of 

745
00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:01,920
trying to find like this soul 
mate that's out there somewhere,

746
00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:04,080
which you know, I don't believe 
in either. 

747
00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:08,720
You ought to find the most godly
person you can find and just 

748
00:35:08,720 --> 00:35:11,440
marry them. 
That's obviously like that's 

749
00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:13,760
obviously stretchy, right? 
Like we are, we're not talking 

750
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:16,080
about like go pick a person and 
go marry them tomorrow. 

751
00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:19,400
That's not what we're saying, 
but the the point stands strong.

752
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:22,640
It's like if you're looking for 
any characteristic in a person, 

753
00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:25,680
the one that should matter the 
most is their godliness. 

754
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:28,560
That is, that's the thing that 
God is the most concerned about 

755
00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:30,480
their heart. 
And that's the thing that you 

756
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:31,520
ought to be the most concerned 
about. 

757
00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:34,760
Find the most godly person of 
the opposite sex that you can 

758
00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:37,600
find, it's so true, and begin to
pursue them. 

759
00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:41,640
And you'll have what what you'll
have from that is like that 

760
00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:43,800
person will point you to Christ 
every day, right? 

761
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:46,200
Like you, if you're especially 
if you're, if you're pursuing 

762
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:49,720
godliness yourself, you're going
to sharpen each other and your 

763
00:35:49,720 --> 00:35:50,720
marriage. 
They're going to point you to 

764
00:35:50,720 --> 00:35:52,040
Christ. 
They're going to encourage you 

765
00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:54,720
when you're down. 
You're going to be there for 

766
00:35:54,720 --> 00:35:56,520
them. 
And yeah, exactly. 

767
00:35:56,920 --> 00:36:00,040
It's so it's such good advice. 
Yeah. 

768
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:03,000
So that that that goes beyond 
just leadership, Right, Right. 

769
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:05,680
And all your relationships to 
even your friend groups, like 

770
00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:08,880
picking friends, but yeah, 
specifically spouses. 

771
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:10,560
That's important. 
That is a good advice. 

772
00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:11,360
Yeah. 
Yeah. 

773
00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:13,080
What else did you want to talk 
about? 

774
00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:18,840
Priorities for godly living. 
Man, I just, I thought there was

775
00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:21,240
so much good stuff in your 
sermon, like. 30 minutes too, 

776
00:36:21,240 --> 00:36:22,960
Joe. 
Yeah, you can't do it, No. 

777
00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:31,200
As a low blow, that was I'll, 
I'll accept it. 

778
00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:35,040
But yeah, even your your point 
and prioritize the people of God

779
00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:38,840
and point #3 you shared this 
anecdote from Doctor Cook. 

780
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:41,240
If you don't love people, you 
have no business being in 

781
00:36:41,240 --> 00:36:43,400
ministry. 
But you sort of began to apply 

782
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:45,880
that to to every Christian, 
everybody, every Christian. 

783
00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:49,520
It's if you don't love people, 
then you don't really have any 

784
00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:51,120
business with you. 
Now I'm even thinking of like 

785
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:54,520
your business, you know, like if
you own a lawn care business or 

786
00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:57,840
if you work, no matter what you 
do, like you should do it out of

787
00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:02,720
a love to serve people, right? 
If if your priority is making 

788
00:37:02,720 --> 00:37:06,240
money, it's like that's the 
wrong priority to have as a 

789
00:37:06,240 --> 00:37:08,360
Christian that that shouldn't be
your priority. 

790
00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:11,040
It should be to love people, to 
serve people. 

791
00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:14,120
Those are opportunities for you 
to be a blessing and to use your

792
00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:17,560
business as an opportunity. 
Because you said in a previous 

793
00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:21,200
point that you know, Israel, the
whole point of Israel was to 

794
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:24,240
show the world what God is like,
who God is. 

795
00:37:24,720 --> 00:37:26,160
And that's our goal as 
Christians. 

796
00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:29,480
The way that we live shows who 
God is and what he's like. 

797
00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:32,800
And so every way that you live 
in your business, in your home, 

798
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:35,400
in your marriage, and as 
parenting, when you go to work, 

799
00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:38,120
when you go to school, when you 
go around you, your life should 

800
00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:41,240
show who God is. 
I think it's one of the the best

801
00:37:41,240 --> 00:37:43,320
apologetics. 
OK, so apologetics, another big 

802
00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:44,320
word. 
Sorry. 

803
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:46,720
It just means defense of the 
faith. 

804
00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:50,000
So the so one of the best ways 
that we can prove to the world 

805
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:53,920
that Jesus is real and that 
like, like salvation and like 

806
00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:56,560
what he does, life change is 
real through Christ is how we 

807
00:37:56,560 --> 00:37:57,520
treat each other. 
Yeah. 

808
00:37:57,520 --> 00:38:00,000
I think I said that in the 
sermon in some way, in some form

809
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:02,360
like that. 
But like, that's your best, your

810
00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:07,480
best, like defense, that proving
to the world that that what what

811
00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:09,120
you claim is real. 
Yeah. 

812
00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:11,560
Is by how you treat other 
people, especially those who are

813
00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:12,520
closest to you. 
Yeah. 

814
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:14,240
Like your family, things like 
that. 

815
00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:16,880
Yeah. 
Yeah, people matter, yeah. 

816
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:18,520
And if you if you don't love 
people, if you don't have a 

817
00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:21,360
heart for people, pray for one, 
pray that the Lord will give you

818
00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:22,640
like that's that's one thing 
too. 

819
00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:25,560
Like I, I, I, and I think I even
like did some confession in 

820
00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:29,840
this, in this point where I, I 
am a very like I could be a 

821
00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:33,000
recluse if I wanted to be and 
not talk to anybody and not like

822
00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:34,880
engage in any kind of 
relationships. 

823
00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:40,880
I to an extent I need, I need 
like one or two to be like, OK, 

824
00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:46,880
but like you just have to ask 
the Lord for help. 

825
00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:49,800
Like if you, if you need, like 
if you, you need to really 

826
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:53,600
truly, if you don't love people,
I mean, that's the I have to ask

827
00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:57,440
the Lord for help all the time, 
like help me to love my family 

828
00:38:57,720 --> 00:39:00,640
like, because right now I'm 
pretty angry, you know what I 

829
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:02,000
mean? 
Or whatever, Pretty like pretty 

830
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:04,200
like just whatever. 
I could just go be by myself for

831
00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:06,760
if I, if you ever hear me say I 
need to go get in the woods 

832
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:08,880
somewhere, I just need to go be 
alone for like 2 days. 

833
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:13,000
But but yeah, I mean, I need to 
pray and ask the Lord to help me

834
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:14,400
with that. 
And so that's that's the thing. 

835
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:15,880
If you don't love people, you 
can. 

836
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:18,160
You can. 
You just need to ask for the 

837
00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:21,160
Lord's help. 
Well, and and you and you should

838
00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:24,080
right, like, like if you don't 
love people. 

839
00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:27,240
I mean, John talks exact 
specifically about this in in 

840
00:39:27,240 --> 00:39:28,600
First John. 
First, John, Yeah. 

841
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:31,640
It's like if you don't love your
brother. 

842
00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:32,840
You can't say you're from me, 
right? 

843
00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:34,680
Then you can't say you love God.
Yep. 

844
00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:38,880
And so that is a prerequisite 
to, to loving God. 

845
00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:41,640
You can't, you can't love God if
you don't love people because 

846
00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:44,600
God loves people. 
And so we actually have to. 

847
00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:46,880
Yeah, we are absolutely right. 
We have to be prioritizing that.

848
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:50,520
And I think sort of to a further
point, if people feel like they 

849
00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:53,280
genuinely could live without 
other people, like I, I 

850
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:57,280
definitely don't need people. 
I, I guess just thinking off the

851
00:39:57,280 --> 00:40:00,760
top of my head, my, my initial 
thought to that is you haven't 

852
00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:03,880
had a real friendship, right? 
You haven't really truly 

853
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:07,240
experienced any good friendship 
that really edified you. 

854
00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:09,720
Because I, I get those feelings 
at times too. 

855
00:40:09,720 --> 00:40:11,200
I think everybody has them where
you're like, you know what, 

856
00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:13,960
sometimes I just need, I need to
be able in my house and just be 

857
00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:15,480
able to. 
I think that's healthy. 

858
00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:16,960
Yeah. 
I think it is healthy to like, 

859
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:21,440
just like to, to be pursue some 
silence and solitude. 

860
00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:23,880
We talk about that as a as a 
personal spiritual discipline. 

861
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:28,560
It is a healthy thing to do. 
Pursue it, but don't like live 

862
00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:29,760
there, right? 
Right. 

863
00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:32,440
But when you have, when you have
a true, like true, genuine 

864
00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:36,240
relationships in your life with 
people that you can have godly 

865
00:40:36,240 --> 00:40:39,720
conversation, conversations with
the Bible and you can really 

866
00:40:39,720 --> 00:40:43,240
feel like when you leave feeling
like really encouraged and 

867
00:40:43,240 --> 00:40:45,240
blessed for having had that 
conversation. 

868
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:48,120
I, I don't, I don't see how you 
could ever say you could live 

869
00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:49,720
without people. 
And I, I just think those people

870
00:40:49,720 --> 00:40:51,480
just haven't truly experienced 
it. 

871
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:53,720
We got to write that book on 
friendship. 

872
00:40:55,640 --> 00:40:56,760
That's good. 
Yeah, for sure. 

873
00:40:56,960 --> 00:40:59,400
Well, then your last point was 
prioritizing the purpose of God.

874
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:03,800
So just reminding us that like, 
you know, we're zoning in on a 

875
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:07,880
specific time in history, but as
you sort of zone out, like zoom 

876
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:10,000
out and look at the whole scope 
of things, it's like God is 

877
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:12,640
doing something bigger than just
what's going on here in the book

878
00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:13,760
of Nehemiah. 
Yeah. 

879
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:16,240
And the, the application there 
is like in your own life too, 

880
00:41:16,240 --> 00:41:21,280
you're very, very focused on 
the, the 24 hours than that day 

881
00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:25,320
that you have, or you're very 
focused on like the, the, the 50

882
00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:27,760
square feet that you live in the
most, like wherever you are, 

883
00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:30,600
whatever is around you. 
But like God is doing so much 

884
00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:31,720
more. 
I think we've shared that quote 

885
00:41:31,720 --> 00:41:34,440
so many times from John Piper is
like he's doing whatever, 

886
00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:36,200
however many millions of things 
at once. 

887
00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:38,960
And you're, you know, you have 
like the knowledge of like two 

888
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:42,000
of them. 
And so just keeping that in mind

889
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:44,800
is like God is doing so much and
we see like a, a picture of it 

890
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:46,840
with Zuru. 
Dr. Betts. 

891
00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:48,960
His commentary was so good that 
to point that out. 

892
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:53,080
And so I didn't, I can't claim 
credit for that, but like he, he

893
00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:55,480
pointed out that connection and 
I was like, this is, this is how

894
00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:57,280
you connect this to Jesus. 
Because that was one of the, 

895
00:41:57,400 --> 00:42:00,600
that's one of the things we 
always try to do in our sermons 

896
00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:02,960
is we try to point to the gospel
in some way. 

897
00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:05,840
And this is like the most 
obvious thing, like what what 

898
00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:09,120
Nehemiah is doing, what God is 
doing in this time with Nehemiah

899
00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:13,160
is part of something way, way 
bigger and way more beautiful. 

900
00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:16,240
Because Jerusalem's not going to
be around, right? 

901
00:42:16,240 --> 00:42:21,040
It's going to fall. 
It's, it's it's temporary. 

902
00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:22,720
Like I think you said that in 
one of your sermons, too. 

903
00:42:22,720 --> 00:42:25,360
They're doing all this work for 
something that isn't going to 

904
00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:27,520
last. 
Yeah, and, and, but, but what 

905
00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:30,600
God is doing in the underneath 
of it all is like he's he is 

906
00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:31,960
doing something that will last 
forever. 

907
00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:34,880
And he's drawing people to 
himself throughout it all. 

908
00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:36,840
It's an incredible story. 
It is. 

909
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:39,000
And that's such an encouraging 
thing to think about, right? 

910
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:42,200
Because there's a sense in which
everything that we're doing in 

911
00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:47,120
this life, like from an earthly 
temporal perspective, is going 

912
00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:48,560
to, like, fade away. 
Yeah. 

913
00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:51,280
No matter what I do to my house,
no matter what business I build,

914
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:54,600
it's, it's all like, it's all 
going to be torn down, right? 

915
00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:55,880
Like we've talked about this 
church, right? 

916
00:42:55,880 --> 00:42:57,640
In 100 years, it's like it might
not be here. 

917
00:42:57,640 --> 00:43:00,280
It probably won't be here. 
You know, it will be replaced by

918
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:01,880
something else or whatever, 
right. 

919
00:43:02,240 --> 00:43:05,640
And if we focus on those things,
it can feel sort of depressing. 

920
00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:08,200
But that's where we're focusing 
on the eternal things that last 

921
00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:10,600
forever, right? 
And whether people's souls, 

922
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:12,280
that's really the thing that 
matters. 

923
00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:15,920
Right. 
And and then also like, like you

924
00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:18,160
just made me think maybe this 
doesn't even really connect, but

925
00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:21,280
the building won't be here. 
And maybe and the people won't 

926
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:22,640
be either. 
The same people won't be here, 

927
00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:24,520
right. 
But our ancestors will 

928
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:28,600
potentially like the people who 
are the like the legacy of faith

929
00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:33,080
if unless Jesus comes back and 
it's all done, right, Yeah, the 

930
00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:37,040
legacy of faith will be present 
in some form in this area, in 

931
00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:39,280
this community. 
That's what we're building. 

932
00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:43,520
We're not building like programs
or anything like that, where the

933
00:43:43,520 --> 00:43:45,800
reason that we want you to focus
on the praise of God and 

934
00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:48,720
prioritize on that is because 
you're building a legacy of 

935
00:43:48,720 --> 00:43:51,600
faith in your own heart. 
But also as you, as you give it 

936
00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:54,520
to your kids, other people's 
children, if you're, if you're 

937
00:43:54,520 --> 00:43:56,520
teaching Sunday school to other 
people's children, you're, 

938
00:43:56,680 --> 00:43:58,240
you're adding to that legacy of 
faith. 

939
00:43:58,240 --> 00:44:00,920
And so that's important for us 
to remember like God is doing 

940
00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:04,680
something through us that's 
going to outlast us and, and 

941
00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:06,160
into eternity. 
Yeah, it's incredible. 

942
00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:08,760
That's really encouraging. 
So he's doing a big thing. 

943
00:44:09,080 --> 00:44:10,920
Absolutely. 
Yep. 

944
00:44:11,240 --> 00:44:14,120
All right, well, do you have any
last words on Nehemiah Chapter 

945
00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:16,360
7? 
No, I think, I think we hit it. 

946
00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:18,400
I, I think like the priorities 
matter. 

947
00:44:19,120 --> 00:44:22,400
And I really like the, the point
that hit me the hardest in the 

948
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:25,960
sermon was the people part. 
Like people matter to God and so

949
00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:28,280
they have to matter to us. 
Yeah, they have to. 

950
00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:33,000
And so like if I made this 
connection and, and I cuz I, I 

951
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:35,440
struggle with it too. 
There's there's if you have 

952
00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:37,800
someone in your family that's 
like that, you have a like a 

953
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:41,400
strained relationship with, go 
for it. 

954
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:43,520
Go, go like send it. 
You know what I mean? 

955
00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:46,560
Go to those person to go to that
person, those people. 

956
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:50,920
If it's your parents, if it's 
your sister or brother, go to 

957
00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:52,760
them. 
And then be humble. 

958
00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:55,200
Like don't be proud. 
Don't don't go into the place 

959
00:44:55,200 --> 00:44:58,600
that got you there. 
Forgive, like forgive everything

960
00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:02,880
and seek forgiveness for your 
own sin and work to re establish

961
00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:07,560
those relationships because you 
only have so much time here and,

962
00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:10,000
and you want, you want them to 
see that, that you're 

963
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:14,800
prioritizing God in your life. 
And what did God do for you? 

964
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:17,960
He reconciled you to himself. 
And so that's the thing that we 

965
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:19,600
have to, we have to seek 
reconciliation. 

966
00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:22,040
We have to seek unity. 
Yeah. 

967
00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:24,880
And so people matter to God, so 
they have to matter to us. 

968
00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:25,400
Yeah. 
So. 

969
00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:29,440
I'm going to launch into from 
there, into things that we like.

970
00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:31,520
Sometimes we do this. 
Thing about things, you got 

971
00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:33,160
something you like. 
Well, because I felt like this 

972
00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:35,240
tied in really well with a book 
that I read. 

973
00:45:35,240 --> 00:45:38,000
Well, while we were away on 
vacation, I, I read a book. 

974
00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:42,720
I read a book. 
It was recommended to me by 

975
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:46,680
Brother in the Church, The Devil
in Pew #7 Ouch. 

976
00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:50,120
It was. 
It's a true story of this 

977
00:45:50,120 --> 00:45:52,360
couple. 
It gets married. 

978
00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:54,240
I would highly recommend it to 
anybody. 

979
00:45:54,240 --> 00:45:58,600
It's a it's a crazy story. 
This couple goes and plants a 

980
00:45:58,600 --> 00:46:01,240
church in Sellers Town, North 
Carolina. 

981
00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:06,480
And there's this man in the 
church who isn't even a member 

982
00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:09,480
of the church but has authority 
and power because of his 

983
00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:13,920
position in the community. 
And that sort of gets taken away

984
00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:16,480
from him with this pastor who 
comes in and sort of gives the 

985
00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:19,800
authority back to the church and
sort of pushes this guy out. 

986
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:23,200
And he doesn't like it. 
And so he spends like five years

987
00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:26,840
trying to get them out. 
And we're talking like, cut the 

988
00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:31,160
phone lines, shoot the lights 
out, slash the tires, detonating

989
00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:35,400
bombs in their backyard, hiring 
snipers to shoot in their home. 

990
00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:40,680
Like they lived in constant fear
from this man and people that he

991
00:46:40,680 --> 00:46:43,120
would hire to try like getting 
them to leave. 

992
00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:48,760
And it is insane. 
And the entire time the pastor, 

993
00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:52,400
his wife, and like it's written 
from the from the daughter, 

994
00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:55,920
she's writing this story like 
with hindsight, she's like a 

995
00:46:55,920 --> 00:46:59,080
young girl at the time. 
And she talks about like her 

996
00:46:59,080 --> 00:47:01,480
parents constantly. 
Their attitude through this 

997
00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:05,520
whole thing is forgiveness. 
Like the whole time it's going 

998
00:47:05,520 --> 00:47:08,000
on, it's we need to love like 
Jesus. 

999
00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:12,000
They're praying for this man's 
salvation and forgiving him over

1000
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:13,920
and over and over and over 
again. 

1001
00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:16,920
And it's just a like you said, 
you're talking about people 

1002
00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:20,840
matter because and just to think
that, you know, this husband and

1003
00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:24,360
wife could continually forgive 
someone who was so attacking 

1004
00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:27,200
against them. 
It's just a phenomenal story 

1005
00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:32,000
about forgiveness and grace and 
and just loving people that are 

1006
00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:35,480
unlovable. 
And it's just, it's just a crazy

1007
00:47:35,480 --> 00:47:37,160
story. 
I'd, yeah, I would recommend it 

1008
00:47:37,160 --> 00:47:40,480
to anybody. 
The Devil in Pew #7 by Rebecca 

1009
00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:42,840
Nichols. 
Crazy. 

1010
00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:44,960
You were almost there in North 
Carolina. 

1011
00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:46,160
You should have just visited the
town. 

1012
00:47:46,760 --> 00:47:48,760
That's where that sniper shot 
came through. 

1013
00:47:50,560 --> 00:47:52,320
Things were like, I don't have 
anything ready today. 

1014
00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:56,840
I mentioned in my sermon I've 
been playing with chat with AI 

1015
00:47:56,840 --> 00:47:57,680
for. 
A while, that's the thing I was 

1016
00:47:57,680 --> 00:47:59,120
going to ask. 
I was going to say the thing. 

1017
00:47:59,120 --> 00:48:01,520
Maybe you'd want to mention your
your app that you mentioned your

1018
00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:03,120
sermon. 
I'm building an app, an 

1019
00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:06,240
application also known as an 
app. 

1020
00:48:06,680 --> 00:48:12,040
I just got bored and I was 
pulled up the the AI that's 

1021
00:48:12,040 --> 00:48:14,400
linked to Twitter. 
It's called Xai Grok. 

1022
00:48:15,080 --> 00:48:19,400
And I said, what like can you 
help me build an app that would 

1023
00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:21,800
help me journal my Bible journal
using the here method? 

1024
00:48:22,200 --> 00:48:23,760
And it said, sure, I can help 
you build an app. 

1025
00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:25,400
And then it helped me build 1 
for my computer. 

1026
00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:28,920
And I was like, huh, can you, 
can you help me build it for the

1027
00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:30,160
phone? 
I said, sure, I can help you 

1028
00:48:30,160 --> 00:48:34,160
build it for your phone. 
Then he had me download he, it 

1029
00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:37,680
had me download some things from
my computer and then it wrote 

1030
00:48:37,680 --> 00:48:39,480
the code for me. 
And you type it in and then then

1031
00:48:39,480 --> 00:48:41,880
you just spend time just asking 
it to make refinements to the 

1032
00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:44,880
code if any errors pop up. 
It was a lot of fun. 

1033
00:48:46,440 --> 00:48:49,200
One thing I did the danger at 
the I made the comment in the 

1034
00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:52,440
sermon it on like in the moment.
It wasn't in my notes to talk 

1035
00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:55,640
about it. 
Is that it I can get fixated on 

1036
00:48:55,640 --> 00:48:57,760
things like that. 
My personality is one that can 

1037
00:48:57,760 --> 00:49:00,960
fixate on things and stay there 
for a long time and like make it

1038
00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:04,440
an idol, like making creating 
something, not the not the AI an

1039
00:49:04,440 --> 00:49:06,960
idol, but just making like the 
fact that I'm I'm making 

1040
00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:08,920
something. 
I'm I'm, I'm using this or doing

1041
00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:11,640
this, using this tool to do 
whatever takes up all my time 

1042
00:49:11,640 --> 00:49:14,840
and I ignore family or whatever.
That was my point in the sermon.

1043
00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:17,560
But it is really fun. 
So I'm I'm trying to play with 

1044
00:49:17,560 --> 00:49:19,120
it some more. 
Maybe maybe one day you'll see 

1045
00:49:19,120 --> 00:49:24,920
an app from, from, from Jonah. 
I don't know, maybe, maybe not. 

1046
00:49:25,320 --> 00:49:26,800
No, it was fun. 
It is a lot of fun. 

1047
00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:30,360
It's something to honestly, I've
been going through some like 

1048
00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:35,080
some discouragement in my life 
and not, not necessarily related

1049
00:49:35,080 --> 00:49:37,200
to anything that's like I could 
point at right. 

1050
00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:40,560
But but it helped me distract 
myself for a little bit. 

1051
00:49:40,680 --> 00:49:43,080
This is if I'm, if I am alone 
and I don't have anything to do 

1052
00:49:43,080 --> 00:49:45,920
for a while, I'll, I'll find 
myself spiraling out and this is

1053
00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:48,280
just fixating on the negative 
things. 

1054
00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:50,120
So I found something like I was 
just trying to find something 

1055
00:49:50,120 --> 00:49:53,280
positive to, to fixate on for a 
little while and it did distract

1056
00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:54,520
me. 
My and even Valerie was like, 

1057
00:49:54,520 --> 00:49:56,000
yeah, that's, that's really 
cool. 

1058
00:49:56,960 --> 00:49:59,080
I'm glad you were able to do 
that because you know, you're 

1059
00:49:59,080 --> 00:50:01,040
not really fun when you're 
fixated on negative things. 

1060
00:50:01,040 --> 00:50:04,720
So anyway, yeah, it's true we're
not, but yeah. 

1061
00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:06,800
That sounds cool though. 
You know, having a tool that you

1062
00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:10,240
can sort of like categorize and 
keep a list of all your here 

1063
00:50:10,240 --> 00:50:10,880
journals. 
And stuff. 

1064
00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:12,520
Yeah. 
So it'll, yeah, it's, I'm trying

1065
00:50:12,520 --> 00:50:15,280
to get it where it'll save to 
the cloud and all that stuff. 

1066
00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:18,400
Yeah, yeah, that's cool. 
My mom says she wants it. 

1067
00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:21,600
But then, you know, moms always 
want what you do. 

1068
00:50:21,600 --> 00:50:26,800
It's like here, here's my, 
here's my ashtray you know that 

1069
00:50:26,800 --> 00:50:30,920
I made in crafts today. 
I know you don't smoke, mom, but

1070
00:50:30,920 --> 00:50:32,480
here's an ashtray I made with 
clay. 

1071
00:50:33,040 --> 00:50:35,440
It's cool. 
And then you know, it's like 

1072
00:50:35,960 --> 00:50:37,600
here, here's an app for your 
phone. 

1073
00:50:37,880 --> 00:50:41,600
I know you barely know how to 
use it, but anyway, Mom, I know 

1074
00:50:41,600 --> 00:50:42,920
you know how to use the phone. 
It's fine. 

1075
00:50:43,480 --> 00:50:45,600
You're good at that stuff 
anyway. 

1076
00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:47,040
That's good. 
Yeah, it was fun. 

1077
00:50:47,160 --> 00:50:48,720
Yeah, well, thank you for 
sharing. 

1078
00:50:48,720 --> 00:50:49,720
Yeah. 
Welcome back, Joe. 

1079
00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:53,160
Yeah, Well, thank you back. 
I know that Kyle and Ryan are 

1080
00:50:53,160 --> 00:50:54,960
glad they don't have to be on 
the podcast today. 

1081
00:50:55,960 --> 00:50:59,720
So yeah, it's been good. 
So you got you got Chapter 8 

1082
00:50:59,720 --> 00:51:00,640
coming up. 
Yes. 

1083
00:51:00,640 --> 00:51:02,840
Looking forward to it. 
Yeah, me too. 

1084
00:51:02,840 --> 00:51:07,120
I'm very excited for it. 
Yeah, you get, I was thinking I 

1085
00:51:07,120 --> 00:51:11,040
got assigned Chapter 7 because, 
well, it was, it was out of 

1086
00:51:11,800 --> 00:51:13,760
necessity. 
You were on vacation, right? 

1087
00:51:13,840 --> 00:51:16,640
Jake had an emergency. 
But then you get Chapter 8 with 

1088
00:51:16,640 --> 00:51:20,680
Chapter 8 looks easy so. 
I felt that way a number of 

1089
00:51:20,680 --> 00:51:23,480
times throughout Corinthians. 
I'm like, I'm getting all hard 

1090
00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:24,640
chapters. 
I'm getting all the hard 

1091
00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:27,120
chapters and everyone. 
But we're looking forward to it.

1092
00:51:28,080 --> 00:51:30,160
Yeah, to Sunday. 
So hey, would you want to pray 

1093
00:51:30,160 --> 00:51:31,320
to close this out? 
Yeah, great. 

1094
00:51:31,320 --> 00:51:34,240
Cool. 
Well, we're so grateful for your

1095
00:51:34,240 --> 00:51:36,760
word and every single part of it
is inspired. 

1096
00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:39,640
Every single part of it is 
authoritative and useful to us 

1097
00:51:39,640 --> 00:51:41,760
in some way. 
And we're just so thankful for 

1098
00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:44,680
Jonah and, and, and the way that
you worked through him by the 

1099
00:51:44,680 --> 00:51:48,080
power of your spirit to give us 
things that we could glean out 

1100
00:51:48,080 --> 00:51:51,120
of this passage of Scripture. 
Some of them take a little bit 

1101
00:51:51,120 --> 00:51:53,440
more work than others, but we 
trust, Lord, that your spirit 

1102
00:51:53,440 --> 00:51:56,520
has given us exactly the word 
that you want us to have so that

1103
00:51:56,520 --> 00:51:59,200
we can learn from it and grow, 
grow in it, Lord. 

1104
00:51:59,200 --> 00:52:02,120
And we pray that that we could 
be a people of your word, a 

1105
00:52:02,120 --> 00:52:06,280
people that put your word at the
center of all that we do and 

1106
00:52:06,280 --> 00:52:09,080
that your spirit would 
faithfully transform us through 

1107
00:52:09,080 --> 00:52:09,920
it. 
And so I want to pray 

1108
00:52:09,920 --> 00:52:13,120
specifically for our church and 
in their Bible reading. 

1109
00:52:13,120 --> 00:52:15,560
I know there's many people 
who've joined us in in the Bible

1110
00:52:15,560 --> 00:52:18,000
reading plan and and maybe 
others are doing different Bible

1111
00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:20,400
reading plans or we're just so 
grateful to have your word, word

1112
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and pray that your spirit would 
continue to be at work in and 

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through us as we spend time in 
your word, as we grow in it. 

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Lord, that you would grow us and
shape and mold us into the image

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of Christ and Lord that you 
would grow us together as your 

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people as we seek to build your 
Kingdom and make your name 

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great. 
We ask this in Jesus name, Amen.

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Amen. 
Well, thanks for joining us. 

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We will look forward to seeing 
you again next week. 

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Have a great day.
