1 00:00:00,400 --> 00:00:04,000 Welcome to Beyond Sunday. That's the way Joe introduces 2 00:00:04,000 --> 00:00:05,280 it. When he does it, he goes. 3 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:09,920 Welcome to Beyond Sunday you. Got to have that cool cadence. 4 00:00:13,000 --> 00:00:15,760 Welcome. Welcome to Be on Sunday podcast 5 00:00:15,760 --> 00:00:19,000 that is based on the preaching ministry of Leamington EMC. 6 00:00:19,160 --> 00:00:23,720 I am Jonah, and I'm joined today as always by it. 7 00:00:23,720 --> 00:00:26,360 Joe's not here. So today, I'm joined by two 8 00:00:26,360 --> 00:00:28,120 guests who have been on the podcast before. 9 00:00:28,840 --> 00:00:32,479 One of them is Ryan Fair. Yep. 10 00:00:32,640 --> 00:00:34,920 I was going to say Kyle Barch first. 11 00:00:34,920 --> 00:00:36,680 And then I was like, that might make your head too big. 12 00:00:36,800 --> 00:00:38,080 Yeah. And so I didn't. 13 00:00:38,560 --> 00:00:39,840 No, you're right. I didn't want to give you too 14 00:00:39,840 --> 00:00:41,560 much pride in your life trying to trying to help you. 15 00:00:41,640 --> 00:00:44,360 Yeah, man, he's working. Yeah, we all need help with 16 00:00:44,360 --> 00:00:46,000 humility. God's been humbling me in ways 17 00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:47,120 that I never could have expected. 18 00:00:47,240 --> 00:00:49,360 Good. Kyle's got a real face for 19 00:00:49,360 --> 00:00:50,120 radio. I do. 20 00:00:51,720 --> 00:00:53,160 Watch it. You're making like now you're 21 00:00:53,160 --> 00:00:55,040 making Yvonne's judgment. No, she. 22 00:00:55,560 --> 00:01:01,600 Knows what she's doing. OK, yeah, so Joe is on vacation 23 00:01:01,840 --> 00:01:07,680 and Pastor Jake is out this week and so I have asked for the B 24 00:01:07,680 --> 00:01:10,080 team to come in. No, they're not. 25 00:01:10,080 --> 00:01:12,120 They're great, Ryan. The reason? 26 00:01:12,120 --> 00:01:14,080 Well, it was great because it worked out really, really good 27 00:01:14,080 --> 00:01:16,760 for that to happen. Because Ryan had family night. 28 00:01:16,760 --> 00:01:19,600 He did the little devotion sermon at sermon, whatever you 29 00:01:19,600 --> 00:01:22,560 want to call it. It was a good sermon, 2 pointer, 30 00:01:22,680 --> 00:01:26,560 2 point sermon in Colossians chapter 4. 31 00:01:27,160 --> 00:01:29,440 And then Pastor Jake preached sermon from Nehemiah, which 32 00:01:29,440 --> 00:01:32,640 we'll talk about first. His sermon was from Nehemiah, 33 00:01:32,640 --> 00:01:36,840 chapter 6, almost at 7:00. Again, we're talking about 7. 34 00:01:36,840 --> 00:01:40,640 I'll be preaching from Chapter 7 next week, so that'll be fun. 35 00:01:41,120 --> 00:01:43,200 But yeah. So Pastor Jake's sermon was 36 00:01:43,200 --> 00:01:46,560 called Don't Give in to Threats and Distractions. 37 00:01:46,560 --> 00:01:48,360 Was that the name of the sermon? I'm so. 38 00:01:48,440 --> 00:01:49,680 Familiar. Yeah, that was it. 39 00:01:50,440 --> 00:01:56,880 He had four points, the attack of deception, the attack of fear 40 00:01:56,880 --> 00:02:01,600 and intimidation, the religious attack and then vindicated by 41 00:02:01,600 --> 00:02:05,120 God. Yeah, So in the in the book, he 42 00:02:05,120 --> 00:02:07,840 said he did give us a quite a bit of context as he opened 43 00:02:07,840 --> 00:02:10,840 discernment, which was helpful giving like the whole overview, 44 00:02:10,840 --> 00:02:15,120 like where we are to this point. And then he this is when we get 45 00:02:15,120 --> 00:02:19,680 that that the wall is finished in 52 days, which is is 46 00:02:19,680 --> 00:02:22,840 incredible to think about, like he it hadn't been finished. 47 00:02:23,120 --> 00:02:25,640 Over a century had passed since they came back it. 48 00:02:25,880 --> 00:02:28,920 Was a month and 1/2 and. He did it in, yeah, 52 days. 49 00:02:28,920 --> 00:02:32,400 That was pretty incredible. But yeah, we get we get a famous 50 00:02:32,400 --> 00:02:36,960 verse. Nehemiah 6 three is like he's 51 00:02:36,960 --> 00:02:39,640 sending messengers back to Sambalot and he says, he says 52 00:02:39,640 --> 00:02:42,320 I'm doing a great work and it cannot come down. 53 00:02:42,680 --> 00:02:45,640 And I think that like, Pastor Jake picked up on that, like 54 00:02:45,640 --> 00:02:47,560 being like, we can't be distracted. 55 00:02:48,600 --> 00:02:49,960 And now I think that was his main point. 56 00:02:49,960 --> 00:02:52,880 Don't be distracted from your main mission. 57 00:02:52,880 --> 00:02:56,520 And so, yeah, I just felt like it was, it's a it's a great 58 00:02:56,520 --> 00:02:58,360 passage. And I think Pastor Drake said 59 00:02:58,360 --> 00:02:59,920 that, too. He's like, this is a great 60 00:02:59,920 --> 00:03:02,000 passage of Scripture. Anyway, what do you guys think? 61 00:03:02,480 --> 00:03:06,400 Yeah, I really liked it. It spoke to me in a way that, 62 00:03:06,400 --> 00:03:09,440 like a lot of, you know, sometimes you kind of just idly 63 00:03:09,480 --> 00:03:12,440 sit through a sermon or whatever because whatever reason in your 64 00:03:12,440 --> 00:03:13,920 life. But I don't know, like I've been 65 00:03:13,920 --> 00:03:16,440 feeling particularly distracted in my own life recently. 66 00:03:16,800 --> 00:03:19,120 And so it kind of felt like it was just really good timing, 67 00:03:19,400 --> 00:03:21,600 like trying to distract. Sorry, could you repeat that 68 00:03:21,600 --> 00:03:22,600 because I was a little distracted? 69 00:03:22,600 --> 00:03:24,080 No, yeah. Absolutely. 70 00:03:24,080 --> 00:03:25,680 I can. No, I don't know. 71 00:03:25,840 --> 00:03:30,040 I think that like he talks a lot about like specific distractions 72 00:03:30,040 --> 00:03:33,080 that take away from ministry or like from the spiritual growth 73 00:03:33,080 --> 00:03:34,280 of your life and that kind of stuff. 74 00:03:34,320 --> 00:03:36,680 And I think that he gave some like tangible examples at the 75 00:03:36,680 --> 00:03:40,280 end, you know, things like worry and like anxiety and fear. 76 00:03:41,200 --> 00:03:43,680 I don't remember him saying it, but specifically I'm thinking 77 00:03:43,680 --> 00:03:48,000 like comfort recently or just like idle kind of like little, 78 00:03:48,160 --> 00:03:49,280 little pleasures here and then you. 79 00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:51,160 Don't mean comfort, like comfort in a hard time. 80 00:03:51,160 --> 00:03:53,600 You mean like I'm just taking the comfort of my life too 81 00:03:53,600 --> 00:03:54,360 seriously? Right. 82 00:03:54,520 --> 00:03:56,000 Yeah. Like surrounding yourself with 83 00:03:56,000 --> 00:03:59,040 comfort kind of primarily, you know, seeking after, you know, 84 00:03:59,040 --> 00:04:03,760 that next Netflix series instead of seeking after that next, you 85 00:04:03,760 --> 00:04:05,720 know, chapter of the reading plan. 86 00:04:06,520 --> 00:04:09,920 You know, I don't know, I feel like it was a good time for me 87 00:04:09,920 --> 00:04:11,600 to hear that sermon because I'm kind of in a weird sort of 88 00:04:11,600 --> 00:04:15,240 groggy season. Yeah, well, maybe some like, I 89 00:04:15,240 --> 00:04:17,279 don't know, it's cold in Ontario right now. 90 00:04:17,360 --> 00:04:20,920 And so and and so you feel like you're stuck indoors. 91 00:04:20,959 --> 00:04:22,640 You just go to work, you come home, you don't really, there's 92 00:04:22,640 --> 00:04:24,320 nothing to do. So it's like, you know, maybe 93 00:04:24,320 --> 00:04:25,760 the Netflix is the next thing, right? 94 00:04:25,760 --> 00:04:27,560 So, yeah, that's good. That's good. 95 00:04:27,560 --> 00:04:29,600 What about you, Ryan? I liked it. 96 00:04:29,600 --> 00:04:35,480 It was, yeah, it was good. He, I I really liked his second 97 00:04:35,480 --> 00:04:39,120 and Third Point, the attack of fear and intimidation and then 98 00:04:39,200 --> 00:04:42,080 the religious attack. I like how on the second point, 99 00:04:42,080 --> 00:04:45,280 it really pointed out, like, we shouldn't always stay silent. 100 00:04:45,280 --> 00:04:48,160 Like Nehemiah, he was constantly sending messengers back and, 101 00:04:48,160 --> 00:04:51,560 like, countering, like they claimed, like, oh, hey, we're 102 00:04:51,560 --> 00:04:53,520 gonna go tell the king. Like, we're gonna tattle on you, 103 00:04:53,720 --> 00:04:56,720 right? He's like, OK, like I didn't do 104 00:04:56,720 --> 00:04:57,600 anything wrong. Right. 105 00:04:58,120 --> 00:05:00,160 So I thought that was kind of cool. 106 00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:04,320 Like, you know, sometimes people always say like, oh, you know, 107 00:05:04,320 --> 00:05:06,240 religion is separate from whatever. 108 00:05:06,240 --> 00:05:08,640 Like, no, this is, this is our whole life, right? 109 00:05:08,640 --> 00:05:12,680 Like we, we should, we should want not stay silent. 110 00:05:12,680 --> 00:05:15,440 We should like stand up for what we believe in, right? 111 00:05:15,560 --> 00:05:16,920 Like first Peter talks. About. 112 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:18,120 Yeah, exactly. Yeah. 113 00:05:18,120 --> 00:05:19,640 I think like that. That's good. 114 00:05:20,120 --> 00:05:21,840 Nehemiah had a conviction. Yeah. 115 00:05:21,840 --> 00:05:26,120 Like, and he had, he felt like he had like a job that was given 116 00:05:26,120 --> 00:05:28,480 to him from the Lord. Yeah. 117 00:05:28,640 --> 00:05:32,000 And that's why when he says I'm doing a great work and I cannot 118 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:34,200 come down, he's like, I'm not going to let anything distract 119 00:05:34,200 --> 00:05:35,840 me from what the Lord has called me to do. 120 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:38,360 Yeah, especially, especially these guys. 121 00:05:38,360 --> 00:05:40,360 Like these guys have been the troublemaker since the beginning 122 00:05:40,360 --> 00:05:41,920 of the book, right? We've learned it. 123 00:05:42,080 --> 00:05:43,800 We've heard Sambalot's name several times. 124 00:05:44,240 --> 00:05:46,600 Yeah, it's a kind of a weird name, Sambalot. 125 00:05:47,160 --> 00:05:48,520 So. There's no way that's how it's 126 00:05:48,520 --> 00:05:51,040 actually pronounced, but like. Well, for sure, because I'm from 127 00:05:51,040 --> 00:05:53,800 the deep, Deep South. We're from the the cold cold N 128 00:05:53,920 --> 00:05:55,920 so. We we got it all wrong. 129 00:05:56,000 --> 00:05:58,160 Yeah. But but, yeah. 130 00:05:58,160 --> 00:06:00,400 So I mean, he the, the important thing is like he's not 131 00:06:00,400 --> 00:06:03,000 distracted and like the application for us is like, 132 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:04,520 what? What is the thing we should be 133 00:06:04,520 --> 00:06:05,320 focused on? Yeah. 134 00:06:05,600 --> 00:06:09,840 Something I really liked about the Third Point too was like I 135 00:06:09,840 --> 00:06:13,080 never really thought about the idea that like distractions can 136 00:06:13,080 --> 00:06:15,480 come from a religious sort of point of view, like people, that 137 00:06:15,600 --> 00:06:20,400 people can weaponize what seems pious to cause distractions or 138 00:06:20,400 --> 00:06:22,720 to interview with God's plan, which that blew my mind a little 139 00:06:22,720 --> 00:06:24,760 bit. I don't know why. 140 00:06:24,760 --> 00:06:27,640 It seems kind of like self-explanatory, but like, I 141 00:06:27,640 --> 00:06:29,280 don't know, you just kind of think that like if someone's 142 00:06:29,280 --> 00:06:32,960 saying to you like, hey, we're a part of, you know, the religious 143 00:06:32,960 --> 00:06:34,960 body, you know, we have this idea. 144 00:06:34,960 --> 00:06:37,360 We just want to meet with you about, you know, specifics on 145 00:06:37,360 --> 00:06:39,360 things. It's interesting to see the 146 00:06:39,360 --> 00:06:43,040 perspective of, like, that could be a distraction in of itself, 147 00:06:43,360 --> 00:06:45,800 pulling people away from doing the actual work that's actually 148 00:06:45,800 --> 00:06:48,080 happening. And I think that especially 149 00:06:48,080 --> 00:06:50,680 being in, like, in the church setting, that can tend to happen 150 00:06:50,680 --> 00:06:54,240 with like, you know, meetings where it's like, I'm not in 151 00:06:54,240 --> 00:06:56,600 these meetings, but yeah, you are. 152 00:06:56,640 --> 00:06:59,840 And I just can't imagine, like, I just in my mind, see these 153 00:06:59,840 --> 00:07:01,360 meetings where it's like, all right, we'll pray about it for 154 00:07:01,360 --> 00:07:03,200 another six months, or we'll pray about it for another eight 155 00:07:03,200 --> 00:07:05,720 months, you know what I mean? And prayer is a good pious thing 156 00:07:05,720 --> 00:07:08,880 to do. But I sometimes wonder if like, 157 00:07:09,480 --> 00:07:12,200 it's used as a way to kind of prolong the work that needs to 158 00:07:12,200 --> 00:07:13,120 get done. You know what I mean? 159 00:07:13,360 --> 00:07:16,000 Yeah, I mean, a lot of people, like, I think that goes back to 160 00:07:16,360 --> 00:07:20,360 maybe fear as well. Like people will put things off 161 00:07:20,920 --> 00:07:24,040 out of their own fear, like not, they're not trying to like use 162 00:07:24,040 --> 00:07:27,400 fear to intimidate you like in the past year, but like they use 163 00:07:27,400 --> 00:07:30,120 like this that, you know, fear that like a lot of people just 164 00:07:31,120 --> 00:07:33,280 I'm not one of these people. I'm just being honest, but a lot 165 00:07:33,280 --> 00:07:35,160 of people are really afraid of change. 166 00:07:35,800 --> 00:07:38,440 Like and so and that's, that's completely understandable. 167 00:07:38,440 --> 00:07:40,680 Like because you've seen something the way it's always 168 00:07:40,680 --> 00:07:44,760 been. And then like, there's this guy 169 00:07:44,760 --> 00:07:48,160 that comes and he says we should do it this way and like, without 170 00:07:48,160 --> 00:07:51,400 like taking the time to process it and really figure it out. 171 00:07:51,400 --> 00:07:53,040 And that's a lot of people are just afraid of change. 172 00:07:53,040 --> 00:07:54,520 Oh. Yeah, well, and like, even for 173 00:07:54,520 --> 00:07:57,400 me, like I, I am not very like, quick to change. 174 00:07:57,440 --> 00:07:59,880 Yeah, even in my personal life. But it goes back to what Jake 175 00:07:59,880 --> 00:08:03,960 said too in the sermon, where it's like that fear is that it's 176 00:08:03,960 --> 00:08:07,480 almost like the fear is like the motivating distraction that 177 00:08:07,480 --> 00:08:08,960 leads to like the physical distraction. 178 00:08:08,960 --> 00:08:11,280 It's like the fear and the anxiety that he mentions the end 179 00:08:11,280 --> 00:08:13,840 of his sermon. It's almost like those all three 180 00:08:13,840 --> 00:08:18,160 points ultimately those kind of boil down to like a core reason, 181 00:08:18,240 --> 00:08:20,960 like where it's like the fear a person has or the anxiety that a 182 00:08:20,960 --> 00:08:24,200 person might have on something. Those bring out the physical 183 00:08:24,200 --> 00:08:30,200 aspects of distraction, whether it be through like being devious 184 00:08:30,200 --> 00:08:32,320 or what was the word deceptive? Deceptive. 185 00:08:32,320 --> 00:08:36,200 That's the one. Like the the Decepticons you 186 00:08:36,200 --> 00:08:36,880 know. Like they were like 187 00:08:36,880 --> 00:08:38,320 Transformers. Yeah. 188 00:08:38,400 --> 00:08:41,320 Well, like, yeah, exactly. Like whether that ends up being 189 00:08:41,320 --> 00:08:43,440 coming out as deceptive or whether it comes out through 190 00:08:43,440 --> 00:08:46,640 intimidation or whether it comes out through false piety. 191 00:08:46,760 --> 00:08:48,240 I know that even too. Like the last time Jake 192 00:08:48,240 --> 00:08:50,520 preached, I remember him saying too, that like, how many people 193 00:08:50,520 --> 00:08:53,680 go around and just. We'll tout off, you know, pious 194 00:08:53,680 --> 00:08:54,960 platitudes. Does that actually meaning 195 00:08:54,960 --> 00:08:57,720 anything, right? It's it almost like those three 196 00:08:57,720 --> 00:08:59,920 things can kind of boil down to like those fear and those 197 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:02,040 anxiety. Responses yeah, I think 198 00:09:02,080 --> 00:09:05,320 honestly, I think that like, I mean this in the in the MI, I 199 00:09:05,320 --> 00:09:08,120 think like the the motives are definitely nefarious, right like 200 00:09:08,600 --> 00:09:13,080 like, but he was they were acting out of fear, right. 201 00:09:13,120 --> 00:09:17,000 Like if Israel did become more powerful and they did 202 00:09:17,000 --> 00:09:20,360 reestablish themselves in the area in the region, then their 203 00:09:20,360 --> 00:09:23,920 economic whatever they've got going on would would decrease. 204 00:09:24,080 --> 00:09:27,680 So I mean these these guys are acting out of fear for their own 205 00:09:27,720 --> 00:09:32,760 like livelihood as well. And so but I think like like my 206 00:09:32,760 --> 00:09:35,080 wife tells me all the time that you know Jonah, I know you get 207 00:09:35,080 --> 00:09:37,760 really excited about new things and you like new, new things and 208 00:09:37,760 --> 00:09:40,240 change what you got to dial it back a little bit because you're 209 00:09:40,240 --> 00:09:41,880 making me a little bit crazy right now. 210 00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:45,320 And so like, you know they're people like me have to recognize 211 00:09:45,320 --> 00:09:48,360 that that people who are slow to adopt or or maybe are afraid of 212 00:09:48,360 --> 00:09:50,080 change. We have to we have to like 213 00:09:50,080 --> 00:09:53,640 slowly think like step back and we do have to allow some time. 214 00:09:53,640 --> 00:09:57,600 But on the other side, people who love like are they like the 215 00:09:57,600 --> 00:09:59,760 things keep the things the same way all the time myself. 216 00:09:59,760 --> 00:10:00,880 Yeah. Don't like change. 217 00:10:01,160 --> 00:10:04,080 They also need to like step like into it and think about it. 218 00:10:04,080 --> 00:10:08,080 Like give give it some like some real thought, not just like put 219 00:10:08,080 --> 00:10:11,280 up this hard wall. Yeah, exactly. 220 00:10:11,280 --> 00:10:14,040 Well, yeah, meet in the middle or just like both of you have to 221 00:10:14,040 --> 00:10:17,120 sort of like understand that there's something on the other 222 00:10:17,120 --> 00:10:19,720 side that has like real reasons for what they're doing. 223 00:10:19,760 --> 00:10:20,880 Yeah, yeah. And not get. 224 00:10:20,880 --> 00:10:23,360 Frustrated with each other from the perspective of someone 225 00:10:23,360 --> 00:10:25,440 that's kind of worried for change. 226 00:10:25,640 --> 00:10:27,520 It's easier said than done though, for sure. 227 00:10:27,520 --> 00:10:29,800 I I don't know, your process is probably the same thing. 228 00:10:29,800 --> 00:10:31,600 It's probably easier said than done to kind of hold. 229 00:10:31,600 --> 00:10:34,160 Off Oh yeah, yeah, you wouldn't you just hate life most of the 230 00:10:34,160 --> 00:10:38,880 time it's like, oh, can't we just do whatever I know will 231 00:10:38,880 --> 00:10:41,680 work and then yeah. So you just get, you get. 232 00:10:42,480 --> 00:10:44,840 It's it's difficult. Well, it's hard to because like 233 00:10:44,840 --> 00:10:47,200 from this, from the other perspective, it's like, why do 234 00:10:47,200 --> 00:10:49,200 we have to do, Why do we have to deviate from the things that we 235 00:10:49,200 --> 00:10:51,360 already know will work? And you have the same place 236 00:10:51,360 --> 00:10:53,840 where it's like, I, I'm pretty sure this will work too. 237 00:10:53,960 --> 00:10:56,520 So I don't know, you're right. It's kind of, it depends on, I 238 00:10:56,520 --> 00:10:58,440 think that there's a, there's a fear on both fronts there that 239 00:10:58,440 --> 00:11:01,720 you have to kind of monitor. But I think it comes back to the 240 00:11:01,720 --> 00:11:03,000 conviction. So like what? 241 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:05,120 What is the conviction of the work that you're doing? 242 00:11:05,400 --> 00:11:07,480 So like that. That to me is like the the 243 00:11:07,480 --> 00:11:10,320 reason, Like who? Whatever side, like if there is 244 00:11:10,320 --> 00:11:13,760 two sides, whatever side comes out on top, like the conviction 245 00:11:13,760 --> 00:11:15,160 is going to be the strongest. Yeah. 246 00:11:15,160 --> 00:11:16,480 Like that conviction is the strongest. 247 00:11:16,480 --> 00:11:19,320 And so like in Nehemiah here, I'm doing an important work, a 248 00:11:19,320 --> 00:11:22,320 great work, and I cannot come down to bother with you like I'm 249 00:11:22,320 --> 00:11:24,720 doing this. And so like, like we have to be 250 00:11:24,720 --> 00:11:27,680 willing to to be conviction about certain things. 251 00:11:27,680 --> 00:11:30,560 And I think like Pastor Jake was in his sermon, he was talking 252 00:11:31,160 --> 00:11:33,400 specifically our convictions are around the gospel, right? 253 00:11:33,880 --> 00:11:37,320 As a, as a, a Christian Church, as an evangelical church, then 254 00:11:37,600 --> 00:11:41,160 our, our goal and mission is to give the gospel to as many 255 00:11:41,160 --> 00:11:42,840 people as as we can hear it, right. 256 00:11:42,840 --> 00:11:46,440 And so I think that's what we we have to be dead, like dead 257 00:11:46,440 --> 00:11:50,080 focused on that as a church. And, and I, I thought it was a 258 00:11:50,080 --> 00:11:53,200 really good sermon. I honestly, yeah, it was, it's 259 00:11:53,200 --> 00:11:55,160 something that's well needed. Like we don't need to be 260 00:11:55,160 --> 00:11:56,600 distracted. For sure, 100%. 261 00:11:56,600 --> 00:11:58,320 Yeah. And be aware, like, that's the 262 00:11:58,320 --> 00:11:59,960 other things. Be aware the attacks can come 263 00:11:59,960 --> 00:12:04,280 from from all different angles. And then like from inside, from 264 00:12:04,280 --> 00:12:07,320 outside, from like, what you think, like you said, Kyle, like 265 00:12:07,320 --> 00:12:11,080 for what it might be, what you expect to be very, very good. 266 00:12:11,080 --> 00:12:12,720 Yeah. Right, well, and not only that, 267 00:12:12,720 --> 00:12:16,320 like sorry, Ryan, I want you to talk to, but like from the 268 00:12:16,320 --> 00:12:17,840 inside. Like it's interesting he 269 00:12:17,840 --> 00:12:21,200 mentions that too, because like obviously we anticipate attacks 270 00:12:21,200 --> 00:12:24,160 from the outside, right? Because of the world, we to an 271 00:12:24,160 --> 00:12:26,960 extent, we also anticipate attacks from the inside of the 272 00:12:26,960 --> 00:12:28,080 church because churches are messy. 273 00:12:28,080 --> 00:12:29,120 They're run by people. Yeah. 274 00:12:29,240 --> 00:12:31,680 But the reality too is that like attacks from inside our own 275 00:12:31,680 --> 00:12:34,360 hearts, right? Like we are, we are constantly 276 00:12:34,360 --> 00:12:35,320 fighting the flesh. Yeah. 277 00:12:35,320 --> 00:12:38,040 Like we are new creations with a new with a new. 278 00:12:38,040 --> 00:12:40,760 We're new creations and we are fighting the old self 279 00:12:40,760 --> 00:12:43,280 constantly. And so kind of speaking to 280 00:12:43,280 --> 00:12:46,760 myself for someone who isn't like more adverse to change, 281 00:12:48,240 --> 00:12:50,600 I've been really trying to be more open to things and trying 282 00:12:50,600 --> 00:12:53,440 to like change that perspective because I understand that like, 283 00:12:54,160 --> 00:12:57,120 you know, there is a, there is something inside of me that I 284 00:12:57,120 --> 00:12:59,640 have to fight against to actively in scripture or like in 285 00:12:59,640 --> 00:13:02,240 the spiritual sort of sense because I'm a Sinner. 286 00:13:02,800 --> 00:13:06,160 And so sometimes these are, I know you heard it here first, 287 00:13:06,160 --> 00:13:09,560 folks, but like, you know, but you know what I'm getting at, 288 00:13:09,560 --> 00:13:14,280 like sometimes being comfortable and kind of let's goes back to 289 00:13:14,280 --> 00:13:16,680 the season that I'm in right now, kind of huddling in for 290 00:13:16,680 --> 00:13:18,080 comfort. It's it's a desire for me to 291 00:13:18,080 --> 00:13:23,240 stay to like my fleshly side. And so sometimes the adverse to 292 00:13:23,240 --> 00:13:25,880 change that I feel and the fear I have from it, it comes from 293 00:13:25,880 --> 00:13:28,280 that same place where it's like a desire to stay comfortable, a 294 00:13:28,280 --> 00:13:31,080 desire to not have to fight those fleshly desires. 295 00:13:31,080 --> 00:13:33,600 And so I thought that it was a cool distinction to think about 296 00:13:33,600 --> 00:13:36,920 attacks from the outside, outside of the building, inside 297 00:13:36,920 --> 00:13:38,840 of the building. But I think it's important also 298 00:13:38,840 --> 00:13:40,840 for all of us to recognize that there is also attacks from 299 00:13:40,840 --> 00:13:42,320 inside of our own hearts. No, that's good. 300 00:13:42,320 --> 00:13:43,640 And it's biblical. I was. 301 00:13:43,960 --> 00:13:46,080 You made me. You had me thinking about Romans 302 00:13:46,080 --> 00:13:47,800 7. I know I was distracting you 303 00:13:47,800 --> 00:13:49,680 when you were talking as I was turning my Bible here. 304 00:13:49,680 --> 00:13:50,920 So you're good. Sorry about that. 305 00:13:50,920 --> 00:13:58,120 But like Paul says in Romans 7, he's like 7/18. 306 00:13:58,120 --> 00:14:00,560 For I know that nothing good dwells in me that is in my 307 00:14:00,560 --> 00:14:02,640 flesh. For I have the desire to do what 308 00:14:02,640 --> 00:14:05,240 is right, but not the ability to carry it out. 309 00:14:06,120 --> 00:14:09,800 For I do not do the good I want, but the evil I do not want is 310 00:14:09,800 --> 00:14:13,680 what I keep on doing. And then he says, now if I do 311 00:14:13,680 --> 00:14:16,520 what I do not want, it's no longer I who do it, but sin that 312 00:14:16,520 --> 00:14:18,160 dwells in me. So yeah, you're a Sinner. 313 00:14:18,160 --> 00:14:19,480 You point. You picked up on that. 314 00:14:19,480 --> 00:14:21,920 It's almost like you've read this before and you thought on 315 00:14:21,920 --> 00:14:25,080 that before. So I find it to be a law that 316 00:14:25,080 --> 00:14:29,920 when I do what it that when I do, excuse me, when I want to do 317 00:14:29,920 --> 00:14:33,000 right, evil lies close at hand. For I delight in the law of God 318 00:14:33,000 --> 00:14:37,800 in my inner being, but I see my members another law, waging war 319 00:14:37,800 --> 00:14:40,520 against the law of my mind and making me captive to the law of 320 00:14:40,520 --> 00:14:44,520 sin that dwells in my members. And it's not to say that like 321 00:14:45,040 --> 00:14:48,120 remaining the same or liking the liking what you got going on or 322 00:14:48,120 --> 00:14:51,080 like maybe being adverse to change is necessarily wrong. 323 00:14:51,080 --> 00:14:52,600 It just goes back to what you said. 324 00:14:52,640 --> 00:14:54,440 Yeah, what it like, what is the motivating? 325 00:14:54,440 --> 00:14:55,720 Factor. We have to have that conviction. 326 00:14:55,720 --> 00:14:56,080 Right. Yeah. 327 00:14:56,080 --> 00:14:58,560 What's the conviction behind it? Well, and at the end of the day, 328 00:14:58,560 --> 00:15:02,120 too, like our conviction as Christians is it's God's word, 329 00:15:02,120 --> 00:15:04,200 right? So like, no matter whether 330 00:15:04,200 --> 00:15:06,560 you're adverse to change or whether like I'm, I'm more with 331 00:15:06,560 --> 00:15:09,400 Jonah, like I'm, I'm willing to change anything in my life, like 332 00:15:09,600 --> 00:15:12,720 good for you. But but at the end of the day, 333 00:15:12,720 --> 00:15:15,120 like, is it scriptural, right? Is it scriptural to sit back? 334 00:15:15,120 --> 00:15:17,120 Is it scriptural to move? Well, we got to do what? 335 00:15:17,320 --> 00:15:19,440 What God's Word. Tells us to do our convictions 336 00:15:19,440 --> 00:15:22,680 need to be based on the word? And that's what we see Nehemiah 337 00:15:22,680 --> 00:15:24,840 doing, right? He's just constantly like, no, 338 00:15:24,840 --> 00:15:26,800 I'm doing what God has instructed me to do, right? 339 00:15:26,880 --> 00:15:27,880 Yeah. That's right. 340 00:15:28,040 --> 00:15:30,320 Yeah. We're going to see in seven that 341 00:15:30,320 --> 00:15:32,800 he sets up, He's setting up, he's setting something up 342 00:15:32,800 --> 00:15:35,680 because in chapter 8, we get one of the like most famous passages 343 00:15:35,680 --> 00:15:38,880 in the Bible where Ezra stands and they all get together and he 344 00:15:38,880 --> 00:15:41,520 reads the law. But he can't do that without 345 00:15:41,520 --> 00:15:43,160 what what Nehemiah does in Chapter 7. 346 00:15:43,160 --> 00:15:44,360 So that's a teaser for next week. 347 00:15:44,360 --> 00:15:46,680 And then yeah. What are your guys final 348 00:15:46,680 --> 00:15:48,760 thoughts on Nehemiah because we got to move to what you did on 349 00:15:48,920 --> 00:15:50,640 family night. I like Nehemiah. 350 00:15:51,320 --> 00:15:53,480 Nehemiah. Yeah, Nehemiah. 351 00:15:55,240 --> 00:15:56,480 Yeah, I thought, yeah, it's great. 352 00:15:56,480 --> 00:15:59,160 Great job, Pastor Jake, on the sermon and it's really helpful 353 00:15:59,160 --> 00:16:02,760 for all of us. So yeah, so we'll move on. 354 00:16:02,760 --> 00:16:05,760 Yeah, is good with you guys. Yeah, we don't edit on this 355 00:16:05,760 --> 00:16:08,000 podcast, so if you're ready to move on, we can move. 356 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:11,760 On Thumbs up man, I'm happy. OK, thumbs up or not, it's not a 357 00:16:11,760 --> 00:16:13,400 video. It's not a video podcast. 358 00:16:13,800 --> 00:16:15,680 So yeah, so thumbs up. OK, we're moving on. 359 00:16:15,680 --> 00:16:17,640 Pulled up. My notes. 360 00:16:18,000 --> 00:16:23,440 Although if you are interested in video podcasting, I have had 361 00:16:23,440 --> 00:16:25,120 someone ask me, could we put it on YouTube? 362 00:16:25,120 --> 00:16:27,920 And I'm like, I don't know. My, I have a like again, Kyle 363 00:16:27,920 --> 00:16:29,440 has a face for radio and so do I. 364 00:16:31,080 --> 00:16:34,480 We can't all be like Joe Penner and Ryan Fair, you know, the 365 00:16:34,480 --> 00:16:37,920 good looking handsome guy. So some guys get it all exactly. 366 00:16:38,960 --> 00:16:41,200 Ryan, you did preach from Colossians 4. 367 00:16:41,960 --> 00:16:43,720 I'll try to turn there if I can find it. 368 00:16:45,120 --> 00:16:48,120 Colossians chapter 4 verses 2 to 4 verses 2:00 to 4:00. 369 00:16:48,120 --> 00:16:50,480 So why don't you give us like a rundown of what you talked about 370 00:16:50,480 --> 00:16:52,440 last night? Yeah, I mean. 371 00:16:52,440 --> 00:16:54,320 Today's Monday, by the way. This will be dropping on 372 00:16:54,320 --> 00:16:56,880 Wednesday. So last night is, yeah, that 373 00:16:56,880 --> 00:16:59,320 makes sense. Just making sure that everybody 374 00:16:59,320 --> 00:17:00,640 was on the same page. That's good. 375 00:17:00,880 --> 00:17:06,640 So yeah, it's, I mean, 3 verses, but basically, yeah, there was 376 00:17:06,640 --> 00:17:09,319 two points. One was our posture and prayer 377 00:17:09,599 --> 00:17:13,240 and one was like specific prayer for missionaries and church 378 00:17:13,240 --> 00:17:15,960 leaders. And so just kind of flushing 379 00:17:15,960 --> 00:17:21,440 that out on like how we should like, act in our prayers and 380 00:17:21,440 --> 00:17:23,079 then, yeah, who we should pray for. 381 00:17:24,280 --> 00:17:26,480 So who should we pray for? Everybody. 382 00:17:27,200 --> 00:17:28,200 Everybody. And this. 383 00:17:28,280 --> 00:17:31,040 Passage specifically missionaries and church leaders. 384 00:17:31,400 --> 00:17:34,520 Yeah, which was the reason for our gathering last night, right? 385 00:17:34,520 --> 00:17:36,560 Exactly. And that that's why we chose 386 00:17:36,560 --> 00:17:40,040 this passage. The missions committee mentioned 387 00:17:40,040 --> 00:17:41,480 it to me. And so I thought it was a great 388 00:17:41,480 --> 00:17:42,200 idea. Yeah. 389 00:17:42,240 --> 00:17:45,920 And so yeah, it because, yeah, I was specifically for the 390 00:17:45,920 --> 00:17:48,760 missionaries that we would end up praying for that are. 391 00:17:48,760 --> 00:17:50,240 Conference sports. Yeah, that's good. 392 00:17:50,520 --> 00:17:54,400 I liked how you opened. You gave some good context about 393 00:17:54,400 --> 00:17:56,520 prayer. Like I didn't know these stats, 394 00:17:56,520 --> 00:18:01,520 so I thought were really helpful that 300 plus times prayer, 395 00:18:01,520 --> 00:18:04,000 pray, praying the words, specific words are mentioned in 396 00:18:04,000 --> 00:18:07,120 the Bible and then there's 650 recorded prayers. 397 00:18:07,480 --> 00:18:11,240 It's pretty awesome. And then we have 25 of those 398 00:18:11,240 --> 00:18:13,520 that our Lord Jesus prayed, which is really, really, I 399 00:18:13,520 --> 00:18:15,320 thought that was that's helpful context. 400 00:18:15,320 --> 00:18:19,240 Like believers should be praying people, right? 401 00:18:19,240 --> 00:18:21,840 We should be praying people. We should be talking to the 402 00:18:21,840 --> 00:18:23,360 Lord. So I I thought that was really, 403 00:18:23,360 --> 00:18:26,080 really good context to set up for, for it. 404 00:18:26,600 --> 00:18:27,960 Yeah, Yeah. Go ahead. 405 00:18:27,960 --> 00:18:30,880 I was going to say I read this book not that long ago by JC 406 00:18:30,880 --> 00:18:33,920 Rile called the Do You pray? Great book. 407 00:18:33,920 --> 00:18:35,760 And I just thought of this quote, which was like, you can 408 00:18:35,760 --> 00:18:39,240 be very sure that people fall in private long before they fall in 409 00:18:39,240 --> 00:18:42,720 public. And like, I don't know, I, I 410 00:18:42,720 --> 00:18:45,600 really like the emphasis that we have on family nights that's 411 00:18:45,600 --> 00:18:48,240 like geared towards prayer because it feels like that's 412 00:18:48,240 --> 00:18:51,880 like the one discipline that everyone knows they should do, 413 00:18:51,880 --> 00:18:54,640 but because everyone has easy access to it, nobody does it, 414 00:18:55,240 --> 00:18:56,720 you know what I mean? Yeah, it is. 415 00:18:56,720 --> 00:18:58,760 It is the easiest and the hardest thing to do. 416 00:18:58,760 --> 00:19:00,280 Well, that's what I mean. It's the easiest to do. 417 00:19:00,280 --> 00:19:03,080 It's the hardest to discipline. Yeah, I, I, I find it hard to do 418 00:19:03,080 --> 00:19:07,160 as well, like because of my pride and the, the sin in my 419 00:19:07,160 --> 00:19:10,400 heart, right. Going back to Romans 7, that war 420 00:19:10,400 --> 00:19:13,280 inside me, the flesh and then the and then the spirit that's 421 00:19:13,280 --> 00:19:15,680 in me that that are that are battling it out. 422 00:19:17,160 --> 00:19:18,920 Yeah. So I find it to be it is easy 423 00:19:19,120 --> 00:19:23,840 like I would, I like I it is easy to do, but it's also very 424 00:19:23,840 --> 00:19:26,920 hard for a prideful person like myself to do like to because 425 00:19:26,920 --> 00:19:29,320 what you're doing in that moment is you're you're submitting 426 00:19:29,320 --> 00:19:32,520 yourself to God and you're saying I'm you're God and I'm 427 00:19:32,520 --> 00:19:34,680 not right. So, yeah. 428 00:19:34,920 --> 00:19:37,480 And really, yeah. JC Ryo, RYLE, for those 429 00:19:37,480 --> 00:19:38,080 listening. Exactly. 430 00:19:38,080 --> 00:19:39,400 Look that up. What's the book called? 431 00:19:39,760 --> 00:19:41,120 Do you pray? Do you pray? 432 00:19:41,120 --> 00:19:42,520 Yeah. And like going back to that 433 00:19:42,520 --> 00:19:45,880 quote, it's, I like it because it's true. 434 00:19:45,880 --> 00:19:48,000 It's indicative of like the Christian endeavor, right? 435 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:52,040 Like when you aren't in your private life in prayer, seeking 436 00:19:52,040 --> 00:19:55,080 the Lord publicly, things are gonna start falling. 437 00:19:55,160 --> 00:19:57,920 Yeah, like it. You fall in private far before 438 00:19:57,920 --> 00:19:59,360 you fall in. I think it's self-explanatory, 439 00:19:59,400 --> 00:20:00,880 but I like it. Yeah, it's good. 440 00:20:01,160 --> 00:20:03,160 Yeah, no, I really like the prayer nights too, like you 441 00:20:03,160 --> 00:20:07,080 said, like, and I know I was thinking about using this quote. 442 00:20:07,080 --> 00:20:09,160 I didn't, but it's a quote from Spurgeon. 443 00:20:09,520 --> 00:20:12,000 Charles, Charlie. Charles Hadden. 444 00:20:13,440 --> 00:20:16,520 He he said I'd rather teach one man to pray than 10 men to 445 00:20:16,520 --> 00:20:20,360 preach like he just like prayer is just so, so important, right? 446 00:20:20,640 --> 00:20:23,400 And like preaching, preaching is super important, and that just 447 00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:26,800 shows how much more important prayer is in our lives. 448 00:20:26,800 --> 00:20:32,040 Yeah, well, it's the like, it's prayer is like the thing that 449 00:20:32,040 --> 00:20:35,040 Christians can do in their private life to connect with 450 00:20:35,040 --> 00:20:37,680 God, you know, in a way, Like you can read his word, 451 00:20:37,800 --> 00:20:41,640 obviously, but prayer is like direct communication with the 452 00:20:41,640 --> 00:20:45,480 Almighty. And so like it, it works. 453 00:20:45,480 --> 00:20:48,800 Like it just, it just works. Like, I don't know why people 454 00:20:48,800 --> 00:20:50,960 like even for myself, I'm talking to myself mostly here 455 00:20:50,960 --> 00:20:52,760 where it's like I can go through a season where I'm praying 456 00:20:52,760 --> 00:20:56,480 vigorously and everything I'm praying for is happening exactly 457 00:20:56,480 --> 00:20:59,920 as it I I want it even. And then all of a sudden, like 458 00:20:59,920 --> 00:21:03,200 the next thing pops up and then it's like, oh, but I don't know 459 00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:06,160 if God's going to hear me on this one, you know, even though 460 00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:08,680 I have this whole backlog of answered prayers. 461 00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:10,760 But yeah, no, but you did a really good job. 462 00:21:10,840 --> 00:21:14,880 Like your sermonette it. Was it was good. 463 00:21:15,320 --> 00:21:16,760 Unfortunately, we didn't record it. 464 00:21:17,320 --> 00:21:21,600 Oh, no, I feel so bad about it. Like I feel bad because we've 465 00:21:21,600 --> 00:21:25,000 started recording and and then it was a busy, it was a busy 466 00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:27,880 Sunday. And then, yeah, I just didn't 467 00:21:28,120 --> 00:21:30,520 didn't think about getting someone back there to record so 468 00:21:30,520 --> 00:21:31,720 well. If I didn't hear it, you missed. 469 00:21:31,720 --> 00:21:33,800 Out you missed out, believers pray. 470 00:21:33,800 --> 00:21:35,920 That was one thing I wrote down. The other thing I wrote down was 471 00:21:35,920 --> 00:21:38,680 like, be awake. Like are we? 472 00:21:38,760 --> 00:21:41,360 And I asked myself the question, am I awake in my prayer? 473 00:21:41,360 --> 00:21:42,800 Like, am I really being watchful? 474 00:21:43,280 --> 00:21:45,760 I thought, I thought you did a good job, like taking that 475 00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:48,560 sentence and two, I think. Yeah. 476 00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:53,680 And breaking verse 2 apart with the three points of like being 477 00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:57,480 steadfast in prayer, being watchful in prayer and and doing 478 00:21:57,480 --> 00:21:59,440 it all with Thanksgiving. So I thought that was a good 479 00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:02,560 exegesis on your part. You broke that down and made it 480 00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:04,080 like you made your point centered on that. 481 00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:05,800 So I thought it was really, really helpful. 482 00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:08,160 Yeah, and on a. Practical level too. 483 00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:10,520 It's like, how many times do you just kind of idly lay in bed 484 00:22:10,520 --> 00:22:12,960 right before you go to sleep and you just kind of rattle off some 485 00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:15,480 list of things you need or want and then you just kind of zonk 486 00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:16,280 out. Yeah. 487 00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:19,040 Yeah, well, in that, like that was kind of the illustration 488 00:22:19,040 --> 00:22:21,160 that I use, right. Like me, yeah, me and my wife 489 00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:23,560 praying before we go to bed and me falling asleep, which 490 00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:26,360 happened so. Yesterday, yesterday I was 491 00:22:26,360 --> 00:22:30,160 convicted twice about not praying, like about my, my, my 492 00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:32,360 habit of not praying before I go to bed with my wife. 493 00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:36,480 OK, so the sermon that you preached and you talked about 494 00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:39,160 like falling asleep in your own prayer, which is fine. 495 00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:41,360 And then you got the elbow to the ribs, right? 496 00:22:41,360 --> 00:22:43,040 Yeah, but that's fine. You were, you were you were 497 00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:45,560 disciplining yourself, you guys in your marriage of discipline 498 00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:47,120 yourself to like this is something where it's important 499 00:22:47,120 --> 00:22:48,280 we're going to pray before we go to bed. 500 00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:51,280 So that was one of them. I was convicted. 501 00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:56,360 But that was the second one. The first one as after church on 502 00:22:56,360 --> 00:22:58,880 like the morning service, I was driving to the superstore to get 503 00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:01,800 some groceries and I was listening. 504 00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:04,960 I've been listening to this. Colin Hansen wrote a book on 505 00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:06,400 like an autobiography, not an auto. 506 00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:10,760 It wouldn't be autobiography be a biography, sort of a biography 507 00:23:10,760 --> 00:23:14,120 on Tim Keller, his spiritual and intellectual formation. 508 00:23:14,360 --> 00:23:18,840 It's a really, really good book. But in it he talks about how Tim 509 00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:21,000 Keller didn't have a habit of praying with his wife either. 510 00:23:21,360 --> 00:23:26,120 And so he tells a story about Tim's wife saying, you know, 511 00:23:26,120 --> 00:23:32,880 hey, just imagine if you were if you were dying and the remedy 512 00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:35,680 for it was to take this pill every single night. 513 00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:39,480 If you miss one night, you're going to die, Would you do it? 514 00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:42,600 And obviously the obvious answer is, of course, I would do it. 515 00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:45,000 And and she was convicting him about it too. 516 00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:47,640 It's like, OK, so that so basically, we're not going to 517 00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:48,840 make it if we don't pray together. 518 00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:52,120 So they made it then then they made a early on in their 519 00:23:52,120 --> 00:23:54,440 marriage. It was early, they made a 520 00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:56,920 commitment to each other that they would they would pray every 521 00:23:56,920 --> 00:23:58,720 night. And so no matter where he was in 522 00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:01,760 the world speaking, no matter what time zone it was in, they 523 00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:05,600 always prayed before they went to bed and and made sure that 524 00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:07,600 they connected and prayed together before they went to 525 00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:08,880 bed. So that was that was the first 526 00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:10,200 time I was convicted yesterday about it. 527 00:24:11,120 --> 00:24:13,080 Second time was your sermon. And then of course, I went to 528 00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:14,040 bed and didn't pray with my wife. 529 00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:17,240 So, but no, it's, it is convicting. 530 00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:19,920 And now that she will listen to this on Wednesday, right when it 531 00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:22,200 comes out. And now we'll have to and it's 532 00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:24,920 good. But no, Kyle, I'm really worried 533 00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:27,000 about you need to stop talking to yourself so much. 534 00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:28,720 We need to get that thing. You know, maybe we should talk 535 00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:31,120 to somebody else about that, but we're talking to yourself all 536 00:24:31,120 --> 00:24:33,720 the time. Yeah, I do talk to myself quite 537 00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:35,160 a bit. No, it's good. 538 00:24:35,360 --> 00:24:37,880 Well, I was going to say too, that like, it's interesting what 539 00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:40,800 you're saying right now between like that and like your 540 00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:42,080 conviction with you and your wife. 541 00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:44,520 It it's interesting that like prayer doesn't just connect us 542 00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:46,640 with the Father, it connects us with other believers. 543 00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:48,360 Yeah. And it's interesting to see the 544 00:24:48,360 --> 00:24:51,400 connected, the connection power that happens, A, between like a 545 00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:54,120 married couple and they're praying or B even in a church 546 00:24:54,120 --> 00:24:56,720 setting with a body of believers, how we can form and 547 00:24:56,720 --> 00:24:59,880 connect with each other relationally through the act of 548 00:24:59,880 --> 00:25:02,240 praying to God. Yeah, it does draw you closer to 549 00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:04,000 each other for sure. Really cool. 550 00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:09,000 Yeah, I'm always moved on the family nights when we when we 551 00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:12,560 spend time, it's just 1/2 hour like because we have like 1/2 552 00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:15,400 hour of like music and a devotion and then we just spend 553 00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:18,200 like it and it's really almost too short. 554 00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:21,600 It feels like I feel bad because I'll eat it most of the time. 555 00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:24,040 You let it last night, which was really good and I appreciate you 556 00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:26,240 doing that. But you feel bad when you step 557 00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:27,560 up there and interrupt people praying. 558 00:25:28,280 --> 00:25:30,520 And I'm like, can't we just keep this going? 559 00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:34,400 But then there's there's all sorts of temperaments in the 560 00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:36,760 room. Like there are people who won't 561 00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:38,800 gather in a group. Have you noticed that? 562 00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:40,400 Like there are some people, because we want to gather in 563 00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:42,840 like groups of three or four pray, but there are a couple who 564 00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:44,920 just won't. And so that's a timber. 565 00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:46,040 They're just praying on their own. 566 00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:49,040 And then there are people who want to pray and they pray a 567 00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:50,160 lot. And then there's people who get 568 00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:53,120 together and then they they pray quickly and then they chat. 569 00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:58,080 And that's it's natural. But like, again, I think if we 570 00:25:58,080 --> 00:26:01,320 could keep it going, like what you're doing is, Kyle, what you 571 00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:04,160 mentioned there is you're connecting and you're bonding 572 00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:06,640 together over prayer, but you're also teaching each other how to 573 00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:08,440 pray. Like you're teaching each other 574 00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:09,920 like the posture of prayer, right? 575 00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:13,600 Like our posture is one that's steadfast, one that's with 576 00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:16,720 Thanksgiving and the one that's being watchful about like what 577 00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:19,040 we're talking about and like and guarding the church. 578 00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:22,280 And so, yeah, I like you're we're teaching each other. 579 00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:24,760 Pray if you just, if you're just also it's just me and Jesus and 580 00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:27,200 I'm good. That's not the Christian life. 581 00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:29,200 No, the Christian life is meant to be done in community. 582 00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:32,160 Yeah, well and to like speaking to the lengths of prayers I it. 583 00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:34,120 Doesn't even. Did you say length or did you 584 00:26:34,120 --> 00:26:37,400 say? Length of prayers for Yeah, 585 00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:39,720 well, I was going to say was that like they don't necessarily 586 00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:43,080 have to be long, they just have to be biblical true, you know 587 00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:45,040 like they. Well, yeah, and Jesus warns us 588 00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:46,440 about long babbling prayers, right? 589 00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:48,040 Exactly. Vain repetitions, right? 590 00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:50,240 And so on. The years are long enough. 591 00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:55,640 Another Spurgeon quote as. Ironically, the example he gives 592 00:26:55,640 --> 00:27:00,000 of how to pray right after he says stay away from vain 593 00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:04,200 repetitions has become a vain repetition, which I think is 594 00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:05,360 kind of hilarious. Yeah. 595 00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:07,320 But. It's funny too that you bring 596 00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:10,840 that up like the disciples didn't ask how to like, preach, 597 00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:12,880 how to do all these things. They asked him how to pray. 598 00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:16,800 Because I think like, like I kind of mentioned that passenger 599 00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:19,880 Mark where he would go, go off and pray in the wilderness even 600 00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:24,640 when there were crowds gathered. And I think like they really saw 601 00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:28,240 him praying all the time. They're like, what do you do? 602 00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:29,920 Like how, how do you pray? Right. 603 00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:32,000 And that's like. Yeah, that's a good point. 604 00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:36,640 Well, in praying alone is of benefit as well, like but in a 605 00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:39,040 church setting though, it is important for us to kind of 606 00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:41,400 cultivate those relationships. For sure, yeah, I wouldn't. 607 00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:44,520 I wouldn't say that you couldn't do any spiritual things alone. 608 00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:46,040 I don't. I don't want to make that. 609 00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:47,200 That's a good distinction. Yeah. 610 00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:48,920 Because that's not the point I was making. 611 00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:51,640 The point I was making is like Christianity is not meant to be 612 00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:54,560 done all by yourself all the time, like it is supposed to be 613 00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:56,000 done in community. But you're right. 614 00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:59,080 I mean, I pray all we all do. We all pray alone all the time. 615 00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:01,200 So. And yeah, in fact, Jesus models 616 00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:05,280 that he went off alone to pray. So yeah, it's good. 617 00:28:05,360 --> 00:28:08,480 But yeah, I thought, I thought your sermon was really helpful. 618 00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:12,160 I liked how you talked about. I just wrote down mysteries of 619 00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:15,960 the mysteries of, of, of Christ. I don't know if you you said 620 00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:17,320 mystery at the end. Yeah. 621 00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:19,280 But it wasn't in my notes, actually. 622 00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:22,360 OK, but it kind of came out because it is in the passage, 623 00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:23,040 right? Yeah. 624 00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:27,520 But it I mean, the mystery of Christ is really like the 625 00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:29,480 gospel. Right, it's it's him revealing 626 00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:32,120 himself to us, right. So anytime you see that Paul 627 00:28:32,120 --> 00:28:35,120 talks about the mysteries of this of the gospel a lot and he 628 00:28:35,120 --> 00:28:38,360 basically just saying this mysterious thing that God would 629 00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:40,200 do this, right? Like that's the that's the 630 00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:41,760 mystery. It's not, it's not a mystery 631 00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:43,920 anymore. It's not, it's not like we can't 632 00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:46,520 figure it out. It's not like unsolved 633 00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:47,600 mysteries. Do you remember that show? 634 00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:49,320 I do. I love way before your times, 635 00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:53,800 but that gave me nightmares. That is a side note. 636 00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:56,360 That music at the beginning of that show gives me side notes. 637 00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:58,640 But that's not the mystery in the like in the in the Gospels, 638 00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:00,520 right? Or in the, in the epistles that 639 00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:02,840 Paul's talking about, he's talking about the Gospel, right? 640 00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:04,960 So. Yeah, and like, that's actually 641 00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:08,600 something I've been talking with my D Group A lot is like the 642 00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:11,480 mystery of Christ in the Old Testament 'cause we're back in 643 00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:14,640 the Old Testament, right? And like that, that was like 644 00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:17,360 everything in the Old Testament points to Christ. 645 00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:19,360 Yeah, right. Like Colossians, actually it's 646 00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:23,920 in chapter 2. It says these are a shadow of 647 00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:26,920 the things to come, but the substance belongs to Christ. 648 00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:29,880 Like everything in the Old Testament, like, was like a 649 00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:32,400 shadow of Christ. But now we get to see the true 650 00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:35,160 right thing that is casting the shadow, and that is Christ. 651 00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:36,840 And that's what that mystery is like. 652 00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:37,840 Yeah, exactly. You said yeah. 653 00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:41,760 Yeah, you got me thinking about how am I going to preach Christ 654 00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:43,960 from Nehemiah 7? So I'm just that's where my mind 655 00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:46,280 is right now. So anyway, pray for me. 656 00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:48,520 We'll we'll get there eventually. 657 00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:52,640 But yeah, Kyle, you want to say something? 658 00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:54,400 You look like you were going to say something. 659 00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:57,760 No, we're good. I just I've been reading this 660 00:29:57,760 --> 00:29:59,960 book and with Ryan. Oh wait, what are y'all reading? 661 00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:01,760 Yeah, we read this. Book, hang on, you guys have 662 00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:06,360 been talking about even JC Ryles, a Puritan, Yeah, maybe 663 00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:07,680 Presbyterian, I don't know. Yeah. 664 00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:11,680 Then you got you've been you quoted like Chapter Spurgeon for 665 00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:15,040 like 7 things 17 times in this podcast. 666 00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:17,760 You you're quoting Timothy Keller anecdote. 667 00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:20,560 Presbyterian, Yeah, anyway. And you were going to talk about 668 00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:22,920 another Presbyterian, I think. Spurgeon's a Baptist. 669 00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:24,680 Spurgeon is a Baptist. Yeah, yeah. 670 00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:28,120 It was. I was going to talk about this 671 00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:31,600 book we've been reading called Daily Doctrine, Daily Doctrine 672 00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:34,480 by Kevin Deyoung. And also press, I mean also 673 00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:36,480 press material that's. True. 674 00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:38,960 Wow, fair enough. I'm just being silly. 675 00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:40,560 Yeah, I was going to say, it's not like it matters. 676 00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:41,600 Takes all. Kinds, right? 677 00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:44,320 They're all Christian evangelical Christians. 678 00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:47,720 Heaven, Christ is our center. I think that's all that matters. 679 00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:50,040 Yeah, but like I was, we were reading it together and it's 680 00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:51,720 interesting talking about like the mysteries of Christ. 681 00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:56,480 We just read a whole chapter about like the attributes of 682 00:30:56,480 --> 00:30:57,920 God. Well, tell us what the book is 683 00:30:57,920 --> 00:30:59,120 first. Yeah, that's a good point. 684 00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:04,840 So the the book is a it's like a devotional style book where each 685 00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:07,680 day there's meant to be a reading and instead of it being 686 00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:12,360 a specific Bible verse or a Bible like an excerpt from the 687 00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:16,960 Scripture, it's a theological idea or point. 688 00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:19,400 So it's a systematic theology essentially. 689 00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:22,440 So he's taking systematic theology and breaking it up into 690 00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:27,400 like bite size daily doctrinal. Daily doctrinal points. 691 00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:30,080 So Daily Doctrine really good, yeah. 692 00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:32,200 It's helpful five days a week, like it's. 693 00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:35,400 So it's 260 as well, Yeah. Yeah, so it's good. 694 00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:37,480 I've really enjoyed it. But one of the things he 695 00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:40,560 mentioned this week was talking about the attributes of God. 696 00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:46,240 Attributes of God talking about the incommunicable and the 697 00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:48,560 communicable ones, right Incommunicable being like the 698 00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:51,800 traits that are for God alone that he possesses things like 699 00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:54,840 omnipotence, omniscience, and then the communicable ones. 700 00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:57,560 Well, actually, we can talk about it later and then the 701 00:31:57,560 --> 00:32:00,880 communicable ones, which are like the ones that we can share. 702 00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:03,440 And so like Lovejoy peace, those kinds of things. 703 00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:06,720 And one of the things he mentions about is is attribute 704 00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:09,720 that God has, which is like that he's the invisible God, right? 705 00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:13,880 That he is invisible, not because he's like, you know, 706 00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:18,560 this one transparent ether, but that to define him by the space 707 00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:21,000 in which that he resides. It would just it wouldn't be 708 00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:23,480 comprehensible. Like he transcends space and 709 00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:26,320 time in a way that we cannot fathom. 710 00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:29,760 I don't know why, but you said mysteries of Christ and that 711 00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:31,040 just I thought of that. No, it is. 712 00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:33,720 That is actually like, that's the thing about God. 713 00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:37,360 It's like when you start to think on him, Yeah, you realize 714 00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:40,360 really quickly that you will never exhaust the amount of 715 00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:42,880 thinking that you can do. Yeah, to understand. 716 00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:44,520 And you will not understand at all. 717 00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:47,760 And I think that's that to me is like, it's beautiful. 718 00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:50,880 And I I mean that it's it should do what it should do is it 719 00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:54,440 should cause us to be humble. Yes. 720 00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:55,920 And not proud. Yeah. 721 00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:58,960 And to worship, that's right. And to pray, like to know that 722 00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:06,080 this deity, this invisible otherworldly expanse of God 723 00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:08,320 hears you. Yeah. 724 00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:14,920 And like enjoys hearing from you seemingly, which is and loves 725 00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:15,520 you. I don't know. 726 00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:18,600 It's just like it should make it should make you want to pray all 727 00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:19,720 the more. Like, that's something that I 728 00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:23,280 thought too, even going through your sermonette last night was I 729 00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:25,600 was like, man, I just, I have to say this sermonette, I'm sorry. 730 00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:28,120 Because yours are so long less. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 731 00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:31,400 That's right, yeah. But like going through Ryan? 732 00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:34,800 Follows instructions? Oh, not so much. 733 00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:36,760 Yeah, it's true. But going through that, just 734 00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:40,520 thinking about like how much of A desire I want to pray more 735 00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:44,800 with the context of knowing who God is, the attributes of God 736 00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:46,840 that we read about in this book this week, and then hearing 737 00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:50,360 about his desire for us to pray. It's, it's humbling, but it also 738 00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:54,760 makes me want to draw closer to it, to him in, in, in our, in my 739 00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:56,520 communication. Yeah, for sure. 740 00:33:56,760 --> 00:33:58,320 No, it's good. What have you been thinking 741 00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:01,120 about Daily Doctrine? It's it's really good. 742 00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:04,840 Yeah. It's a great book learning a lot 743 00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:08,239 and a lot of these things are like going over my head a bit. 744 00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:10,960 Like he definitely used some big words like it is systematic 745 00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:15,880 theology, but it's it's not unattainable for for like the 746 00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:20,719 the layperson, I guess, right. And, and really the one thing 747 00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:24,280 that like, you know, you hear people say like, oh, theology 748 00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:28,679 divides and it's not important, whatever we're doctrine divides, 749 00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:33,639 but like learning about God, like that's what theology is. 750 00:34:33,639 --> 00:34:38,719 It's the study of God, right? And it, it really should just 751 00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:42,239 drive us to worship God, right. And I, that's what I've been, 752 00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:45,760 I've been noticing, like reading about the attributes of God or 753 00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:49,440 like learning just about theology, why it's important. 754 00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:53,760 It just like it starts to make you realize like, like you said, 755 00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:57,240 like you are God. I'm not like, thank you, Lord, 756 00:34:57,240 --> 00:34:59,520 for everything. Like, yeah, you start to realize 757 00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:02,000 how small you are in a good way, right? 758 00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:05,200 In a way of like, man, I'm so glad that you're God. 759 00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:07,240 Yeah. Well, and something I really 760 00:35:07,240 --> 00:35:10,040 appreciated about it too, is because is that like you said, 761 00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:11,960 he's the author of this book is Presbyterian. 762 00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:16,120 Jonah, you I'm pointing, sorry, like Jonah mentioned that he is 763 00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:17,720 Presbyterian. So there are things on a 764 00:35:17,720 --> 00:35:19,480 theological level that I disagree with him. 765 00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:22,280 And even in the past, the chapters this week, there are 766 00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:23,840 things he said where I was like, I don't know about that. 767 00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:28,760 But the beautiful thing about it is that theology is meant to be 768 00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:31,960 explored in a way where even if you're not 100% sure or agree 769 00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:36,040 with a person's take on something, learn more, right? 770 00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:39,000 Dive deeper and you know what? And like, maybe you'll come to a 771 00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:44,680 truth or some sort of revelation that maybe this author or 772 00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:47,040 speaker isn't Privy to that changes the perspective on 773 00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:49,160 things. Yeah, the thing about theology 774 00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:51,600 and when you start to study theology is you are studying 775 00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:54,160 God, Yeah, who we cannot fully comprehend. 776 00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:56,360 No. Therefore, you're going to be 777 00:35:56,360 --> 00:35:58,440 challenged. And so you have to be, you have 778 00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:00,120 to be ready for that. And if you're not willing to be 779 00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:01,800 challenged, don't start reading theology books. 780 00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:04,360 Oh, 100%. Because even if you, even if you 781 00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:06,680 think you agree with someone that you're reading, you're 782 00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:08,920 going to find out that that there is something in there that 783 00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:12,240 that challenges you and actually makes you super uncomfortable 784 00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:16,200 and that you just like, you don't want to feel like, you 785 00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:18,280 know what I mean? Like, because honestly, that's 786 00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:21,080 what happens. You're studying the, the, the, 787 00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:24,480 yeah, the topic of study is incomprehensible. 788 00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:26,000 Yeah. On some level, right? 789 00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:27,640 Yeah. And so, like, there are things 790 00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:29,840 that we can understand. I'm not saying that he has 791 00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:33,120 revealed himself to us, which is a very, it's beautiful. 792 00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:36,000 Like God, the creator of the universe. 793 00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:40,520 I, I have a hard time saying the deity or the, this God or like, 794 00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:42,080 I don't know. I've, I've said it before too, 795 00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:45,960 like, but we are studying the one, the only right, the the 796 00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:51,880 everlasting, the God. And he has made the way, not a 797 00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:55,080 way for us to, to know him. He's made the way for us to know 798 00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:56,240 him. And that is, that is the word 799 00:36:56,240 --> 00:36:59,640 that we have. So, but you're studying so you 800 00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:02,920 can comprehend some things, but the things that are made clear, 801 00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:04,400 we need to understand it very clearly. 802 00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:07,120 And the things that are not made so clear, we can hold with sort 803 00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:10,680 of like loose, like grip and like say, yeah, there's tension 804 00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:14,800 there. Like like free will and the 805 00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:17,120 doctrine of predestination. There's tension there. 806 00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:20,000 They're both in the scriptures and we have to hold them loosely 807 00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:23,600 and say, OK, somehow little word makes it work together. 808 00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:25,040 And that is a mystery. Well, that's a. 809 00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:27,520 That's a Spurgeon quote. Why rectify 2 friends? 810 00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:29,080 Or why reconcile 2 friends? That's right. 811 00:37:29,240 --> 00:37:30,600 Yeah, they're already, they're already friends. 812 00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:33,080 And so, oh, there we go again, Spurgeon, one more time. 813 00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:35,680 Sorry, I was gonna say too like. Spurgeon's my favorite Baptist. 814 00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:39,920 It's fine other than other than yourself. 815 00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:41,280 Everybody loves themselves, right? 816 00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:43,760 So if you don't. I was gonna say like another 817 00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:46,160 quote, it goes perfectly. It's from Daily Doctrine. 818 00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:48,200 I don't remember what chapter this was in, but it's also it's 819 00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:50,400 Kevin Deyoung. He says that like in essentials 820 00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:53,960 unity, Yeah, in non essentials liberty, but in all things 821 00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:54,720 charity. Yeah. 822 00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:58,400 So we hold to the we hold to the essential of the gospel, of the 823 00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:02,120 person, of Jesus, of the triune God, in a way that we are 824 00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:03,560 unified behind those. Things, yeah. 825 00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:05,560 And that's one actually, we make that point in our first steps 826 00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:06,720 class. So if you're listening and you 827 00:38:06,720 --> 00:38:09,280 haven't taken first steps, that is the first thing we talk about 828 00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:13,680 is, is like holding things that are very important. 829 00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:15,640 Like there are some things we have to agree on in order to 830 00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:17,120 like have fellowship together. Yeah. 831 00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:19,080 Everything else we can sort of like just be charitable with 832 00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:20,280 each other. Well, and same thing with and 833 00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:22,200 then it goes like into the non essentials liberty, right. 834 00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:24,360 But like, you know, we talked with the tension with the free 835 00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:27,320 will and the the model of predestination that people hold 836 00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:30,640 to no one is really certain on how they work, how they work 837 00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:31,720 together, how they're reconciled. 838 00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:34,120 And so we can have liberty with that. 839 00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:37,320 We can we can be kind to one another. 840 00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:39,000 Exactly. We have our understandings 841 00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:41,400 because none of us have the full answer or no. 842 00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:44,320 And then lastly, in all things charity, be charitable on it. 843 00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:46,720 All right, Like in all the disagreement and all of like the 844 00:38:47,240 --> 00:38:50,080 seeming ways that we can find disunity, be charitable to one 845 00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:52,560 another, give each other the benefit of the doubt, I think 846 00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:54,240 that that's probably the best way to operate, right? 847 00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:57,160 Yeah, it should be. Well, and like we do all things 848 00:38:57,160 --> 00:38:58,920 in love, right? Like, yeah, there's so many 849 00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:01,160 passages in Scripture, like First Corinthians 13 is the 850 00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:02,920 famous love chapter. And there's so many other 851 00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:05,400 passages that just like talk about loving your brother. 852 00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:08,760 Like even Paul talks about loving his loving the weaker 853 00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:10,560 brother. Like if it means that I won't 854 00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:11,960 even meet again, I'll I'll do it. 855 00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:16,320 It's like he does anything to make sure that people love God. 856 00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:18,880 Yeah, right. And like, I'm like, even between 857 00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:20,960 us three, I'm sure there's something that we could disagree 858 00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:24,640 on. Oh yeah, and if there's not I'll 859 00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:28,120 I will encourage anyone to ride in the car with Kyle for six. 860 00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:29,760 Days. To I. 861 00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:32,440 Was gonna say shortly after this is like done recording. 862 00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:33,720 We're gonna, we're just gonna start fighting. 863 00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:35,240 That's. Oh no, we're not. 864 00:39:35,240 --> 00:39:36,160 I'm just. Joking. 865 00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:37,600 I'm joking. I'm joking. 866 00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:40,680 But yeah, like there's, there's always something. 867 00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:43,440 But like we always are rooted in the gospel. 868 00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:46,560 Right where the. Roots are and everything that 869 00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:48,560 comes out of that is just good conversation. 870 00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:50,840 Yeah, for sure. That's good. 871 00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:52,760 I like the book too. I've been reading it. 872 00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:54,280 I'm behind you guys. You have. 873 00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:57,040 Yeah, I'm behind you guys. But yeah, it's really good. 874 00:39:57,040 --> 00:39:59,720 Joe and I, we, we have always, we always have big plans and 875 00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:01,800 we're going to do this together. We're going to read this book 876 00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:05,040 together and like then we have a million other things that pop up 877 00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:07,960 and we put that on the back. Burner such as the life of a 878 00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:09,440 pastor, though, right? Happens. 879 00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:13,440 Yeah, things happen. So on that note, we're at like 880 00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:15,760 40 minutes in our podcast now, so that's good. 881 00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:17,800 But on that note, we talked about things happening. 882 00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:21,920 We had Pastor Jake is away this week, Joe is away this week. 883 00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:25,000 Joe had a planned vacation and then Pastor Jake had an 884 00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:28,320 unexpected emergency of the death in the in Anna's family. 885 00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:31,880 And so yeah, I'll, I'll just take a minute or two and we'll 886 00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:33,800 pray and we'll conclude the episode. 887 00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:35,120 Is that OK with you guys? Yeah. 888 00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:37,240 Any other comments before we conclude? 889 00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:40,360 Well, any anything on your sermon? 890 00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:41,640 No, not yet. Teaser. 891 00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:44,080 No, it's Monday. I just found out I was preaching 892 00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:44,640 yesterday. So he. 893 00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:50,760 Just finished writing it. No, yeah, it's it is a hard 894 00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:56,080 chapter there. The 1st 4 verses are the only 895 00:40:56,080 --> 00:40:59,920 narrative and then it just runs right into a list of names and 896 00:40:59,920 --> 00:41:04,160 numbers. And so it will be interesting. 897 00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:09,560 I will try my best to to to pull something out of it. 898 00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:11,880 I don't have to work really hard there. 899 00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:14,040 There is stuff there. All scripture is and that that's 900 00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:16,960 where I'm going to start is that Paul's instruction of Timothy 901 00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:19,680 that all Scott, all Scripture is profitable for for teaching. 902 00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:22,600 So we're going to learn that right now. 903 00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:26,480 Let me pray for just for our church and for Pastor Jake. 904 00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:30,680 Father, we are grateful. I'm grateful for Kyle and for 905 00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:35,080 Ryan for their willingness to come on and to fill in and just 906 00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:36,480 to have a conversation with them. 907 00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:40,720 It's always fun, but it's even more fun when when we can do it 908 00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:43,000 in a way that may build others up. 909 00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:44,960 And so where I pray that that would that that's what we've 910 00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:47,680 done today that we've we've been some sort of encouragement to 911 00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:50,400 someone who's listening the father right now. 912 00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:54,800 I just like, like we just mentioned that things come up in 913 00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:58,720 the life of any, anyone, but specifically in pastors lives. 914 00:41:58,720 --> 00:42:02,520 And, and I pray for, for Pastor Jake and for Anna, specifically 915 00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:05,520 for Anna now that that you would give their, her family comfort, 916 00:42:06,680 --> 00:42:10,480 that you would give them the ability to minister to others in 917 00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:13,600 the midst of their grief. But I pray for, for their 918 00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:17,320 travels and I pray for, for all the conversations that we had 919 00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:21,600 that they would be focused on, on giving the gospel each and 920 00:42:21,600 --> 00:42:23,440 every conversation that they have the ability to. 921 00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:28,320 And just like helping those in the family that they're, that 922 00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:32,000 they're seeing down in Texas, that they're just able to give 923 00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:35,600 comfort through the gospel, through what you've done through 924 00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:38,720 your son. And so Lord, we just, we, we 925 00:42:38,720 --> 00:42:41,680 grieve with them, but we also, we thank you for the opportunity 926 00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:46,400 that they have to, to go into, to be with their family and to, 927 00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:49,320 and to do that. And so I also pray for Pastor 928 00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:52,280 Joe as he's out on vacation. I pray that it's a restful time 929 00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:56,560 and that they, they all return safely. 930 00:42:57,120 --> 00:43:00,240 We just pray that you would be with our church, LAMC. 931 00:43:01,720 --> 00:43:05,120 Help us to love each other. Help us to to to be unified in 932 00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:08,560 the vision and to not be distracted so we could take 933 00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:11,480 Pastor Jake's message from Sunday to heart and then we 934 00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:14,160 won't let anything distract us from getting the gospel out into 935 00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:17,000 our community and beyond. I pray these things in Jesus 936 00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:19,240 name, Amen. Thanks for joining us. 937 00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:21,360 We will see you next week. Thanks.