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OK, well, I'm going to clap. 
That was loud. 

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Welcome to Be on Sunday, a 
podcast based on the preaching 

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ministry of Leamington EMC. 
I am Jonah Chitty, one of the 

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pastors here, Pastor of 
Discipleship and Family. 

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I don't know how my title is 
kind of confusing. 

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I'm here with Pastor Joe Penner.
As always. 

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We are in episode 2, not episode
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Sorry, Season 2 episode 1, Is 
that just because we're in a 

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different year? 
No, Well, I thought about that, 

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but I think it's because we're 
starting a new book, so we'll do

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our seasons based on whatever 
book of the Bible we're 

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preaching through. 
So this one could be like 17,000

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episodes like Corinthians was or
probably around 14 so. 

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Probably closer to that one. 
Yeah, so Season 2 Episode 1, 

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Nehemiah is what we studied. 
Is that right? 

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Joe, how are you doing today? 
I'm doing well, thank you. 

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My throat. 
'S feeling a little bit better. 

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Good. 
Sure, people who heard the 

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sermon on Sunday could could 
tell. 

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You know, that's why we waited 
so long to to record. 

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It's because we wanted your 
voice to properly heal and get 

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every It wasn't because we were 
so busy doing other things. 

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It definitely wasn't that. 
So I'm glad you're feeling 

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better. 
You sound like you're feeling 

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better. 
And I hopefully, yeah, hopefully

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we can get through another 30-40
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Nehemiah chapter 1. 
So you preach the sermon on 

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Nehemiah chapter 1. 
I didn't. 

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Oh, when all hope is lost, turn 
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Is that your time? 
When? 

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Hope seems lost. 
Turn to God. 

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Yeah. 
OK. 

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So yeah, you want to give us 
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your sermon was about. 
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So just sort of I, I started out
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Towers and, you know, everybody 
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if you were older than maybe one
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remember where you were when 
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Trade Towers had been hit. 
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I was at school in grade 8. 
Grade eight I was a I. 

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Was with public school. 
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Shows a bit of our. 
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difference, yeah. 
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everybody knows, right? 
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In sort of this like pivotal 
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history, more more pointedly 
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History. 
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world sort of was shocked by 
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Yeah, I remember the comparison 
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like, it was like, you're going 
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we remember the day that Kennedy
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So it's like my parents knew and
like remembered the day they 

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remember where they were. 
And like that was the but you're

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going to remember this day just 
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So it's like a like a pivotal 
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that were there remember. 
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Yeah. 
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on, you know, like the, the 
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right? 
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in the midst of that situation. 
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much devastating loss. 
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and, you know, just the horrific
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through the whole thing and and 
it's just a devastating thing. 

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And where do people turn when 
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And, you know, some people turn 
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the bottle, some people turn to,
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helping people in need. 
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how to sort of, that's how I 
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Nehemiah and to just sort of 
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like this is probably the most 
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life, right? 
Israel, I, I gave some context 

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for where we were in the, the 
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And, and Israel had been back in
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They had been sent in into exile
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sent them into exile. 
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land for about 100 years. 
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You know, especially given the 
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from the book of Nehemiah that 
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And so he weeps for days. 
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1 is Nehemiah's prayer. 
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There's not a lot of there's not
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No, no, it's his prayer. 
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that this is a prayer that that 
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molded over these few months 
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and repetitiously. 
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Like here's what I've been 
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well, since I've been dealing 
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Right. 
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is what it is, but it, it seems 
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pours right into chapter 2 as 
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about to go to the King. 
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sense that he's recording this 
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But in my sermon, I, I brought 
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from his prayer that we should 
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covenant. 
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point of the sermon. 
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Nehemiah felt like all hope was 
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And so I drew up principles from
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You know, Nehemiah draws out 
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covenant because he's the God of
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He's almighty, he's all 
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And because he loves us, he 
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who love him. 
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God in humble confession. 
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to humility. 
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they as a nation had sinned, 
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sinned. 
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know, we ought to be confessing 
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confessing our own sins. 
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to God who is committed. 
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the prayer, Nehemiah expresses 
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is committed to discipline, 
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them, then I will bring you 
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He's committed to his people. 
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the a line at the very end of 
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struck out stood out to me was, 
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of your servant and the prayer 
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fear your name. 
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statement that they delight to 
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keeps us in his word, keeps us 
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It's to know light, it's to know
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And you know, the other things 
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we a delight to fear. 
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we're scared of. 
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us in the path of righteousness.
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know, we, we love you and we we 
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to worship you. 
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pursue you, if we turn back to 
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word, then you're going to bring
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And me hear the prayer of your 
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And he says also the prayer of 
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love you and we fear your name, 
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of that. 
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success as he goes, as he's 
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talking about to the king. 
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bulk of it. 
Just in the midst of this 

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hopeless situation, Nehemiah 
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You know, that we might expect a
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whatever, but like he turns to 
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from a commentary that we're 
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Betts and, and he talks about, 
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second option, right? 
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the way it is for us, right. 
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That was so impactful. 
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now, you know, we've done 
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just got to pray. 
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It's Nehemiah's first option. 
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whenever you, you talked about 
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remember like the self 
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go whenever like it hits the 
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go wrong or there's trouble, 
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It's like, no, prayer should be 
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Like going to the Lord is the 
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It's not like man and like doing
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well, now let's pray about it. 
How often do we do that even in 

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ministry? 
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at the end and now we've done 
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Yeah, and I had, I'm just sort 
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quote, it's, you know, when 
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for a person, it's an indication
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with and depending on God in all
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And I just had sort of like my 
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that, that where you turn 
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And and I, I think that's that's
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It's really hard to think about 
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about ourselves with ourselves, 
and that's hard, but it really 

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is true. 
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is to go to a friend or Google 
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ChatGPT chat. 
Whatever it is, right? 

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Like. 
How do I deal with this or that?

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Because because we do that like 
like you said, even in a good 

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way as Christians. 
I'm, I'm not saying it's bad to 

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pursue knowledge and wisdom and 
define the answers. 

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I just think prayer ought to be 
the first thing because at the 

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end of the day, sometimes I'm 
tempted to go, there's got to be

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a book about that somewhere, 
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And I just like start searching 
And it's like, but maybe my, my,

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my first reaction should be to 
pray, to ask God for wisdom, to 

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ask God for insight. 
Yeah, that's, it was really, it 

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really is good, but it is 
exposing like when you, when 

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you, if you're honest with 
yourself, anything. 

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Well, yeah, of course I'm a 
Christian, of course I'll pray 

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about this. 
But no, like if it's not like 

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the first thing you think about,
then the indication is that your

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relationship with the Lord is 
not quite as close as he thought

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it was. 
So yeah, it was just a really 

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convicting thing. 
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even applies to like praying for
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Because again, we're we're 
tempted to be like, oh, I know 

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this person's in a, a painful 
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least we can do because it's, it
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what we do, we think that it's 
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effective than prayer. 
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who I was talking to. 
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us to do. 
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know, we don't know. 
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insight into this situation, 
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You know what? 
I don't know what to do here and

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that's humbling or it really 
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I don't have the answer. 
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Shouldn't be right. 
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I wrote down where was it? 
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like, does everybody in here 
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on purpose. 
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they love Lego. 
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last verses we delight in like, 
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Lord right Later in Psalms we 
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I delight in your law Psalm 1. 

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think about the the instructions
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you're not like alone. 
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Christmas. 
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my mind. 
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as I did as a kid, but but it 
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sets or even the smaller ones, 
honestly, like the to think that

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is definitely not right. 
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blessing. 
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delight, we delight to fear your
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And so it's like, you know, we 
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in our hearts when we feel like 
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something wrong. 
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from God's word, well, what does
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What does his word say about 
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in a fear, but a fear that we 
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just you don't want to go down 
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that like, I'm terrified. 
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delighting to fear God. 
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emotion. 
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fear from God is a good emotion 
which protects us because it's 

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like if I'm, if I'm driving 180 
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there's a sharp turn coming or 
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That fear is a good thing 
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to slow down change. 
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Going to kill yourself, you 
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jumping off a building, 
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All these things is like fear is
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has given to us in and fearing 
the Lord is a good thing because

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we recognize that he is God. 
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the judge and he is going to 
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we can be walking in a way 
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saved. 
It's so good. 

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don't know, is it is it that's 
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you could talk about for a long 
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Like what does it mean to fear 
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Like I is it just reference? 
I don't know, because it seems 

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to be what you're talking about.
Like what? 

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Do you mean What do you mean 
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Reverence, Oh, reverence. 
Am I? 

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think, but I think like we don't
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like this real the the reality 
that like there is like a like a

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terrifying nature part of it. 
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Because he's big and I'm not 
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reading in through the flood 
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and like the people who like 
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wasn't a liar, that God was 
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There was some fear, right? 
That would have been like 

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terrifying. 
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family. 
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Like Noah says, hey, guys, 
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Whatever. 
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Does it say they're righteous? 
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like physically afraid. 
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that too. 
I don't know what you think 

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about that. 
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I I think it's sort of it, it 

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entails all of it, right? 
Fear, reverence, respect, like 

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worship, like all of those 
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God. 
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judgment is harsh that did we 
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like like you said, we're going 
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Bible reading plan and it's like
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the very first sin, What does he
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Israelite history where he he 
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system as a way for them to be 
made right. 

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It's like God is gracious. 

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That's interesting. 
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said TJ Betts was the commentary
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for, like, the breaking up the 
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ask, I don't know, did he do 
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Did you have him for class? 
I did. 

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OK. 
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Testament surveys and he taught 
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ask when, When you think about 
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New Testament, what do you 
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You think what? 
The New Testament. 

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Oh, love, grace and mercy and 

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kindness. 
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judgement and anger. 
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same God. 
It's the same God. 

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It's the same person. 
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is like God is gracious. 
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and Eve dead on the spot. 
He had every right to. 

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Instead, what did he do? 
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He gave them a life that they 
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He just kicked him out of the 
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So he made good on his promise, 
but still, like he's still he's,

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he's the same God. 
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to think about. 
So like when we're thinking 

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about like this book in any Old 
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remember that God is not like 
just like the overarching like 

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person in the background that 
just wants to strike lightning 

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down on people because they do 
something wrong. 

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No, it's the same God that we 
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Yeah. 
Anyway, that's just maybe an 

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about that. 

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Like when we're talking about 
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He says I'm coming. 
You know, he came to judge to 

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pass judgment. 
He did. 

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He passed judgment. 
He sends though the Holy Spirit 

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judges those, right? 
It's like like it's the same God

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is the same yesterday, today, 
tomorrow, throughout all 

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Scripture. 
It doesn't change. 

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It's one of those big 
theological words. 

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He's immutable, right? 
He doesn't change. 

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So. 
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about that is it it's, I don't 
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when we read the Old Testament, 
it's easy to to focus on, and 

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I'm saying this intentionally, 
it's easy to focus on the 

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judgement and the wrath. 
And why I say focus is because. 

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The mercy and the grace are 
there. 

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Yep. 
Just for some reason we don't 

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notice them because exactly what
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class after he said that, then 
you know, as as we're being 

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required to read the Bible 
through the class. 

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It's like now you read the 
prophetic books, which I used to

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always just, I used to always 
just focus on the judgement 

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aspect, right? 
And then you read those books 

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and you're like, man, there is a
ton of mercy and grace. 

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Long-suffering man. 
And hope in here. 

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Exactly. 
And you're like, why have I 

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never seen this before? 
That Why you know, and, and 

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it's, it's amazing when your 
eyes are open to it that you're 

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like, you know what God is. 
He's the same God exactly like 

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you said. 
It's he's gracious and merciful 

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and kind and slow to anger and 
abounding in steadfast love all 

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through the Old Testament. 
It's not something that just 

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starts in the New Testament. 
And, and we've gone through a 

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book here a number of years ago 
with a number of classes called 

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Gentle and Lowly by Dane 
Ortland. 

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And it emphasizes that truth 
that, you know, and sort of our 

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our church history as like a 
Mennonite background of a 

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church. 
A lot of people come from the 

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Old Colony traditional Mennonite
background where it is very fear

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driven and, and, you know, 
relearning that God is a God of 

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grace and mercy and compassion 
is something that we need to 

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understand. 
You know, we have to be careful 

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of the ditch on the other side, 
which the contemporary 

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Christianity, it seems to be 
falling into at some points that

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we emphasize the grace and mercy
and love too much and, and don't

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acknowledge the judgement and 
the wrath that is there. 

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Because, you know, revelation, 
you know, the end of the age is 

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coming, Judgement day is coming 
and God is going to, you know, 

446
00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:50,480
he's going to deliver his wrath 
on sinful mankind. 

447
00:21:50,480 --> 00:21:52,680
That's right. 
And so, but we just need to have

448
00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:54,400
a healthy view of both of those 
things. 

449
00:21:54,760 --> 00:21:57,200
I think I've, I think I've heard
somebody say it helpfully that 

450
00:21:57,200 --> 00:22:00,160
it's not like God's like if we 
took all his attributes and go, 

451
00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:04,360
well, there's 50 attributes. 
So it's like 2% of God is each 

452
00:22:04,360 --> 00:22:07,240
of these attributes. 
No, it's, it's God is 100% 

453
00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:09,280
wrath. 
God is 100% love. 

454
00:22:09,280 --> 00:22:12,440
He's 100% mercy. 
Like these characteristics 

455
00:22:12,520 --> 00:22:15,160
embody, like all of who God is 
perfectly. 

456
00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:18,560
Right, That's so, that's so 
interesting to think about. 

457
00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:22,720
Like the attributes of God and 
that you are right. 

458
00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:24,480
We do try to sometimes 
compartmentalize. 

459
00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:26,520
Oh, this is just his nature in 
this way. 

460
00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:28,360
No, he's always that all the 
time, right? 

461
00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:33,760
Like how can someone be 100% 
wrath and 100% love and grace at

462
00:22:33,760 --> 00:22:37,600
the same time, Right. 
Or we can't be, which is why 

463
00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:40,120
it's important for us to 
remember like God is God and we 

464
00:22:40,120 --> 00:22:40,800
are not. 
So. 

465
00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:43,040
Yeah. 
Oh, man, so good. 

466
00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:48,240
Oh, I had one question for you. 
So how often do you confess my 

467
00:22:48,240 --> 00:22:53,800
sins? 
That's a good question. 

468
00:22:55,240 --> 00:22:57,400
Man, That was an odd. 
I don't know about odd, but 

469
00:22:57,640 --> 00:22:59,640
it's, it was unexpected in the 
sermon. 

470
00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:00,680
Right. 
So I'm like, oh, wait. 

471
00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:03,280
Well, I sort of sat back a 
little bit and had to think. 

472
00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:04,760
So what? 
Yeah. 

473
00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:07,680
What was up with that? 
Well, yeah, it just, it just 

474
00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:10,520
struck me that, that he was 
praying for the sins of the 

475
00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:13,760
nation. 
And, and I just sort of made the

476
00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:15,560
application to confess other 
sins. 

477
00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:19,440
I, I didn't, I didn't go into 
like the, you know, the biblical

478
00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:21,960
warrant for that. 
But one that comes to mind is 

479
00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:23,440
Job. 
You know, in, in the book of 

480
00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:27,440
Job, we're told that his sons 
and daughters would get together

481
00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:29,120
and have parties in each other's
homes. 

482
00:23:29,120 --> 00:23:30,960
Oh, yeah. 
And then the next day he would 

483
00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:33,320
offer sacrifices and he would 
pray for them. 

484
00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:35,720
Yeah. 
That that God would forgive them

485
00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:37,040
in case they sinned. 
Right. 

486
00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:39,520
And I think that that's a 
principle that, you know, we 

487
00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:41,320
ought to be doing. 
We ought to be forgiving sin, 

488
00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:45,400
but confessing other people's 
sin and you think of Jesus on 

489
00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:48,240
the cross, right, Father, 
forgive them for they don't know

490
00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:50,600
what they're doing. 
Steven prays that same prayer 

491
00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:55,040
and and it is we, we need to be 
confessing each other's sin. 

492
00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:58,920
I confess that I died. 
I don't confess other people's 

493
00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:02,920
sins often enough. 
Honestly. 

494
00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:04,600
Because I'm selfish? 
Yeah. 

495
00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:07,280
Because I'm looking at myself 
going like if someone sinned 

496
00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:09,280
against me. 
What's my focus? 

497
00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:11,520
My focus is how I've been. 
Vindication. 

498
00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:13,520
Right. 
And it's like, you know what? 

499
00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:15,560
That's that's too narrow of a 
view. 

500
00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:18,360
I, I need to have AI, need to 
have a broader view of my 

501
00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:22,600
confession and forgiveness That,
and I mean that changes my focus

502
00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:24,640
too, right? 
That I begin to think about that

503
00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:29,000
person more compassionately. 
Yeah, my, as I was considering 

504
00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:32,040
that and thinking about it as 
like my, my default setting is 

505
00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:36,160
just to like imprecatory prayers
is like just pray down wrath of 

506
00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:37,840
God on whoever's again, like 
whoever. 

507
00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:39,360
'S the sons of Thunder like 
James and. 

508
00:24:39,360 --> 00:24:42,520
John like, you know, very, very 
like passionate and just like 

509
00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:44,880
just just wipe them out, Lord my
enemies. 

510
00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:48,840
But but I think that it's 
important like the Jesus didn't 

511
00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:52,880
do that, right? 
He he prayed, like you said, 

512
00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:55,600
from the cross was praying for 
people because like they don't 

513
00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:59,120
really know what they're doing. 
Yeah, they're carrying out my 

514
00:24:59,120 --> 00:25:01,480
will is what they're doing, 
which is another crazy thing to 

515
00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:04,680
think about. 
But yeah, so no, I was just 

516
00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:07,560
thought it was really good, a 
good point that you made about 

517
00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:09,440
praying. 
And I right there, he says it 

518
00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:11,840
right there. 
He's praying like, and maybe 

519
00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:14,160
you're right, maybe he was at 
the beginning of this. 

520
00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:18,960
You said that maybe this is just
Nehemiah's prayers over several 

521
00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:22,400
weeks, maybe three months is 
what we've kind of come done 

522
00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:26,080
some math and figured out. 
And he's like saying, OK, I'm 

523
00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:29,440
corporately praying for like for
the for the whole nation and 

524
00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:33,400
confessing. 
Because right there in verse 6, 

525
00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:35,640
I think is where it comes out. 
You know, I now pray to you day 

526
00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:37,200
and night for your servants, the
Israelites. 

527
00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:39,840
I confess the sins we have 
committed against you. 

528
00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:43,680
Yeah, so, and it's important 
because, because again, like I 

529
00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:46,240
mentioned in the sermon, like 
God's promises were not to an 

530
00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:50,000
individual and there they were 
to a nation, right? 

531
00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:52,480
And so he's, he's confessing the
sins of his people. 

532
00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:55,400
And I think that's consistent 
with other Old Testament 

533
00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:57,840
narratives as well. 
But I've, I've heard this often 

534
00:25:57,840 --> 00:25:59,920
times with the Lord's Prayer in 
the New Testament, right? 

535
00:25:59,920 --> 00:26:03,680
When Jesus teaches his disciples
to pray, that is not a personal 

536
00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:06,680
prayer. 
You know, it's not me praying to

537
00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:11,120
God, it's our Father in heaven, 
right, You know, hallowed be 

538
00:26:11,120 --> 00:26:14,320
your name, your Kingdom come, 
your will be done in others in 

539
00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:16,680
heaven. 
Give us Our Daily Bread. 

540
00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:19,680
You know, forgive us our sins 
lead us not. 

541
00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:22,760
It's all plural, right. 
It's like this is a corporate 

542
00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:27,880
prayer and so we we can't just 
look at like our western 

543
00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:30,680
Christianity has become very 
personalized, right. 

544
00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:33,680
It's like, you know, we go into 
worship, you turn the lights 

545
00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:36,400
down so that it's just you and 
God, you know, and it's that's, 

546
00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:37,600
that's not what it's meant to 
be. 

547
00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:39,920
We are a community. 
We are a body. 

548
00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:41,200
We change it with our language 
too. 

549
00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:43,480
Have you accepted Christ as your
personal Lord and Savior? 

550
00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:44,880
Right. 
We say that you know that's 

551
00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:46,400
that's the way I grew up hearing
it, right? 

552
00:26:47,360 --> 00:26:49,600
Have you made Jesus Lord of your
life? 

553
00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:53,200
You know, those are the types of
things, the over personalization

554
00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:55,720
of of of the gospel. 
And there's an element of 

555
00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:59,080
personal, sure, the personal 
relationship of it, right? 

556
00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:03,120
You know, individuals do have to
do it, but you're not saved to 

557
00:27:03,120 --> 00:27:04,720
yourself. 
Not saved for yourself. 

558
00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:07,880
For yourself exactly. 
You're saved to a body, right? 

559
00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:09,560
Yeah. 
And that's why it's like, that's

560
00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:12,600
why the church is so important. 
You know, you don't get saved 

561
00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:15,280
and then you spend the rest of 
your life alone in your house 

562
00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:17,760
and doing stuff. 
It's like, no, you actually now 

563
00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:20,960
if, if you love the Lord, you 
now have to live out your love 

564
00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:24,600
for the Lord with a body. 
And guess what, it's hard 

565
00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:26,880
because you're going to, there 
are people are going to sin 

566
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:29,080
against you and you're going to 
sin against other people. 

567
00:27:29,360 --> 00:27:32,400
But now, you know, John says, 
if, if you say you love God, but

568
00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:35,200
don't love your brother or 
sister, you're a liar. 

569
00:27:36,120 --> 00:27:38,360
And it's like, that's that's 
where the rubber hits the road. 

570
00:27:38,360 --> 00:27:40,480
It's like if you say you love 
God, then that means that you're

571
00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:44,200
going to forgive someone for 
whom Christ died and, you know, 

572
00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:47,640
work through stuff. 
And it's hard to live in 

573
00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:50,680
community, man. 
But that's exactly that's what 

574
00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:54,080
God calls us to that we're about
the body of Christ and, and we 

575
00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:59,160
have to live together and 
display our love for God in the 

576
00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:01,040
community of believers. 
And Jesus said that's how 

577
00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:03,120
they'll know. 
The world will know that you're 

578
00:28:03,120 --> 00:28:07,360
my disciples. 
That's good thinking about that.

579
00:28:07,360 --> 00:28:09,440
Think about the church being the
new people of God, right? 

580
00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:12,000
All the Old Testament, we're 
talking about Israel being the 

581
00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:16,800
people of God, and then the 
church is the new people of God.

582
00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:18,520
Yeah. 
It's really, it's really 

583
00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:20,280
incredible. 
It's made-up of all nations, 

584
00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:21,240
tribes and tongues. 
Yeah. 

585
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:23,280
And I love the way you said it. 
You like you. 

586
00:28:23,360 --> 00:28:25,200
You know, when you become a 
Christian, you're not Christian.

587
00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:27,120
Safe to yourself. 
You're saved to a body. 

588
00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:31,040
So live in one, right? 
Like love, love each other. 

589
00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:32,720
And it is hard. 
Oh, man, it's hard. 

590
00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:34,360
Hard. 
Yeah. 

591
00:28:34,360 --> 00:28:37,480
Joe, I thought this was one of 
your, your better sermons. 

592
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:41,240
I don't know why, other than 
maybe it was the right word for 

593
00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:43,240
me at the time. 
You know, just thinking through,

594
00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:48,080
I just thought it was just 
you're going to get out so much 

595
00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:50,600
more in the book of Nehemiah 
talking about all sorts of 

596
00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:54,040
different narrative and thing 
that happens and how God's hand 

597
00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:58,160
is through it all. 
Yeah, I'll just go ahead and say

598
00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:00,680
I don't think Nehemiah is AI 
don't think it's a leadership 

599
00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:01,960
book. 
I think it's got leadership 

600
00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:04,760
principles that we can draw out.
But I think more of more of it's

601
00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:10,320
a story of how God is being 
faithful to his word, restoring 

602
00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:14,160
something that he told him he 
would do, and he's using someone

603
00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:17,280
like Nehemiah as an instrument 
to carry out his work. 

604
00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:18,920
I think it's just really 
important for us to remember 

605
00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:21,720
that any book in the Bible is a 
book about God, right, 

606
00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:24,400
ultimately. 
Yeah, yeah, exactly. 

607
00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:27,960
You know, the Bible is is is is 
an overarching story. 

608
00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:31,040
I really like teaching that 
class this this last fall. 

609
00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:34,360
God's big. 
Big picture, like it's called 

610
00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:37,920
biblical theology where we look 
at the all of Scripture as one 

611
00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:40,560
overarching story of God's plan 
of redemption. 

612
00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:44,880
You know, you have creation in 
the fall and then you have, you 

613
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:49,080
know, God trying to redeem his, 
his relationship with humanity. 

614
00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:52,880
And at the end he does it, he's 
brings in new Jerusalem and a 

615
00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:57,120
new and a new city, new earth 
and this relationship that this 

616
00:29:57,120 --> 00:30:01,520
perfect Eden is restored. 
And so, you know, that's we have

617
00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:04,120
to every time we pick up the 
Bible, every time we read a 

618
00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:06,520
different book, we have to 
figure out, well, where am I in 

619
00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:09,520
the story of God's plan of 
redemption, right. 

620
00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:12,680
And here we're picking up in a 
part of the story where these 

621
00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:14,080
people are suffering and. 
They're not. 

622
00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:16,440
Where am I putting myself into 
the story? 

623
00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:17,920
Right, Right. 
Where? 

624
00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:19,400
Where are we when I'm reading 
this? 

625
00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:22,000
Where is this fall into 
overarching redemption history? 

626
00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:24,240
Yeah, I got. 
You right and then and then you 

627
00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:27,480
know what we're trying to do in 
preaching is well, if this is 

628
00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:29,840
where we are in the storyline of
Scripture, well, what does that 

629
00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:32,280
mean now to us as being in the 
new covenant right. 

630
00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:33,840
How does this point to Christ, 
right? 

631
00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:36,120
Because Jesus taught his 
disciples, you know, on the road

632
00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:41,680
to Emmaus, Luke chapter 24, he 
says all of scripture points to 

633
00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:45,520
me, you know, and then he showed
them how all the law, all the 

634
00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:48,280
prophets, everything pointed to 
him and found it's fulfillment 

635
00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:49,600
in him. 
And so anytime we're reading the

636
00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:51,480
Scripture, we need to be 
thinking, how does this, how 

637
00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:52,960
does this point to Christ, 
right? 

638
00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:56,120
And what he's doing? 
And so that's what we need to do

639
00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:58,120
at every point. 
That's really good. 

640
00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:01,400
What? 
Like, if you had to like, boil 

641
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:04,160
down one point of application 
for the sermon, what would it 

642
00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:05,920
be? 
Just turn to God, you know, 

643
00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:07,480
don't even don't even think 
about it. 

644
00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:12,600
You know, the, the moment. 
And and that's I and maybe that 

645
00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:16,800
is sort of training yourself in 
those moments to like when a 

646
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:20,160
thought comes in your mind, 
whether it's temptation or to be

647
00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:26,560
in despair or discouraged, when,
when you hear bad news, when 

648
00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:29,640
you're frustrated, whatever the 
situation is in your life, at 

649
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:32,040
every stage of your life 
breathing, it's maybe it's 

650
00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:34,160
rejoicing or excitement or 
whatever. 

651
00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:38,280
Pray, turn to God, give him 
praise, give him thanks, call 

652
00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:42,320
out to him, ask him for help, 
say, how long will Lord, how 

653
00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:43,640
long am I going to have to 
endure this? 

654
00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:46,960
Whatever it is, right? 
Pray biblical prayers and turn 

655
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:50,680
to God because he's faithful. 
He hears those prayers and He 

656
00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:52,200
loves us and wants to answer 
them. 

657
00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:56,240
Yeah, I think of the when you're
saying just immediately turn to 

658
00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:57,680
God, right? 
That's the that's the goal. 

659
00:31:58,040 --> 00:31:59,160
Maybe you think of George 
Mueller. 

660
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:04,200
We talked about him before on 
this podcast, but the like, 

661
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:06,200
there was one story where they 
were out of bread for the 

662
00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:08,520
orphanage that he was running. 
Like they just came to him. 

663
00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:10,560
He he had no clue. 
Like he wasn't thinking about 

664
00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:12,680
anything like that. 
Like it was just caught up in 

665
00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:14,600
administrative stuff for the 
orphanage or whatever. 

666
00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:16,800
People from the kitchens come 
and say, hey, there's no bread 

667
00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:19,160
to feed the kids. 
And it wasn't like, hey, let's 

668
00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:21,240
make a call to this business guy
or let's make a call down the 

669
00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:23,440
road. 
It was like, OK, well, let's 

670
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:26,000
pray. 
And then like as soon as they 

671
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:29,160
finished praying, someone 
dropped off bread for the 

672
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:31,640
orphanage. 
Same thing. 

673
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:33,440
Like we need money to pay for 
whatever. 

674
00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:35,640
Like you never asked anybody for
a dime. 

675
00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:37,400
It's just like, we're just going
to pray. 

676
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:40,520
Let's pray. 
And then the money would show up

677
00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:43,360
in the mailbox. 
Just incredible stories of God's

678
00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:46,960
faithfulness. 
But his default setting wasn't, 

679
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:49,120
oh, let me go try to figure this
out on my own, right? 

680
00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:52,520
It was pray whenever God would, 
when God would grant that, that 

681
00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:54,440
he would pray. 
It was like, I think it's such a

682
00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:57,720
good picture of that. 
It is, and God was always 

683
00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:00,560
faithful to provide, right And 
then so, so pray specifically so

684
00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:03,000
that you can see, yeah, the Lord
answering your prayers. 

685
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:06,000
He may not always do what you're
asking, but when He does, if 

686
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:07,880
you're praying specifically, you
will see it. 

687
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:10,240
That was one thing I've learned 
over the last year too, is like 

688
00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:13,160
pray specific prayers. 
I think Doctor Cook said 

689
00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:16,360
something like that in a sermon 
that I listened to last year. 

690
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:20,600
Pray specific prayers. 
These general prayers, Lord, 

691
00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:24,440
help me today. 
OK, how you going to be able to 

692
00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:27,280
like understand if God actually 
did help you today is based on 

693
00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:30,240
your feelings. 
No Pray specific prayers, pray 

694
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:33,560
like Lord, I pray for the 
salvation of my daughter 

695
00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:39,320
Adeline, pray for, pray for 
specific prayers and then watch,

696
00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:42,640
watch what happens because he's 
faithful, absolutely is 

697
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:43,480
faithful. 
So. 

698
00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:45,840
Well, and I want to share. 
I want to share something that 

699
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:48,800
someone shared with me. 
It was a little podcast because 

700
00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:51,640
I think, you know, when, when 
hard things come, like this is a

701
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:53,400
hard thing that Nehemiah is 
talking about. 

702
00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:56,040
And you know, I was drawing on 
that in the sermon too, that 

703
00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:58,320
there are things that happen in 
life that we have no control 

704
00:33:58,320 --> 00:33:59,640
over. 
And they're hard and they're 

705
00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:01,960
heavy things. 
And we can feel like life is 

706
00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:05,600
hopeless and in despair and we 
don't know what to do. 

707
00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:08,159
And it's easy for us to feel 
like God is against us. 

708
00:34:08,159 --> 00:34:12,280
It's easy to feel like maybe God
doesn't really know what he's 

709
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:14,960
doing or, you know, why is he 
allowing this thing into my 

710
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:16,679
life? 
We can feel like it's unjust. 

711
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:19,120
And this was just a real 
encouragement to me. 

712
00:34:21,159 --> 00:34:23,360
We maybe we can share this. 
I think sometimes you give notes

713
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:27,000
in the podcast, right? 
It's a, it was a podcast episode

714
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:31,199
about God's omniscience that 
that God knows everything. 

715
00:34:31,679 --> 00:34:35,920
He knows everything perfectly. 
And it says, Speaking of prayer,

716
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:40,679
it is a glorious and comforting 
thought that when we pray, God 

717
00:34:40,679 --> 00:34:45,360
answers that prayer not in line 
with the way that we see things,

718
00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:48,960
but in line with the perfect way
that he sees things. 

719
00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:54,239
For believers, that means that 
as our loving Father, God gives 

720
00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:58,840
us precisely what we would give 
to ourselves if we knew 

721
00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:03,800
everything that he knows. 
And he also withholds from us 

722
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:08,160
what we would withhold from 
ourselves if we knew what he 

723
00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:10,640
knows. 
That kind of blew my mind. 

724
00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:14,200
Like I'd never really thought of
that before, but that's, that 

725
00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:17,560
really was helpful to me 
because, and I, I hope that's 

726
00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:19,960
helpful to other people too, to 
be thinking that like when it 

727
00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:22,440
feels like injustice, when it 
feels like God's way doesn't 

728
00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:25,480
make sense. 
Just know that his perfect 

729
00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:27,920
knowledge means that it was the 
right thing. 

730
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:30,880
And if you had known everything 
that he knew and you had the 

731
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:34,360
power to decide, you would have 
done exactly what he did, which 

732
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:37,840
is so hard to understand, right?
Especially with you think about 

733
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:39,120
any number of things that 
happened. 

734
00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:42,680
Your parents die, right? 
You know your your child gets 

735
00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:45,560
cancer. 
It's all these things that you 

736
00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:51,640
would never choose right, but 
with all perfect knowledge and 

737
00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:52,840
insight you would have done the 
same. 

738
00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:55,480
Oh, it's so hard to think about,
but comforting. 

739
00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:59,640
It is it was super comforting to
me to think that like that 

740
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:03,560
helped me to to see God's 
omniscience, his all knowing 

741
00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:08,560
power as a good thing as opposed
to me like questioning it 

742
00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:11,480
because we were started talking,
you know, before the podcast 

743
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:14,680
about God's omniscience and and 
everything that he knows and his

744
00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:17,920
sovereignty over all creation. 
And it's like where we were 

745
00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:21,840
formed from the dust. 
And, you know, after Adam and 

746
00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:24,840
Eve sinned, God said, you know, 
they were formed from dust, and 

747
00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:27,720
to dust they will return. 
And I think we just have to 

748
00:36:27,720 --> 00:36:29,920
remember that. 
That's like, who are we to say 

749
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:30,960
anything? 
Yeah. 

750
00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:33,520
To God, you know He's God, and 
we're not. 

751
00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:36,080
Yeah, that's, that's been the 
theme for me this week too. 

752
00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:40,000
Yeah, well, good, good. 
Any other words on Nehemiah 

753
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:41,400
chapter 1 today? 
Yeah. 

754
00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:42,760
Well, I guess I'll just address.
I know. 

755
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:45,560
Oh yeah, one question. 
One question, we, I touched on 

756
00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:47,800
it already a little bit, but 
I'll maybe give a little bit 

757
00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:50,360
more if someone asked the 
question at the very end of the 

758
00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:52,640
chapter. 
You know, Nehemiah is asking for

759
00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:55,480
success. 
Give success to your servant 

760
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:59,040
today and grant him mercy in the
sight of this man. 

761
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:00,920
So who is this man? 
Who? 

762
00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:05,080
Who is Nehemiah referring to 
that he's wanting mercy before 

763
00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:06,040
is? 
He talking about himself. 

764
00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:12,760
I, I, I think he's talking about
king Arctic circuses because in 

765
00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:16,280
chapter 2 he, he's about to now 
he's about to go in his, in his 

766
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:19,840
narrative to like, OK, and then 
I was before the king right now.

767
00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:22,280
The reason I, I didn't really 
touch a lot on it because I 

768
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:25,120
didn't get enough time to, to 
study that this week. 

769
00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:27,160
So I didn't really touch on it. 
But the reason it was 

770
00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:30,120
questionable to me is because at
the beginning of chapter 1, 

771
00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:34,400
Nehemiah says well, in the month
of Kiss Love, which the Jewish 

772
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:36,480
calendar was about like 
November, December. 

773
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:39,280
And then at the beginning of 
Chapter 2, as he's about to go 

774
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:42,560
before the king, it says in the 
month of Nissan, which is like 

775
00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:44,880
March, April. 
Yeah. 

776
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:49,160
Yeah, March, April. 
So it's about, it's about four 

777
00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:51,680
months between those between 
those times. 

778
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:56,000
And so I was like, well, is he 
asking for mercy in the sight of

779
00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:57,760
this man four months ahead of 
time? 

780
00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:00,360
But that's where again, it sort 
of made sense to me to be 

781
00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:03,000
thinking about, well, this is a 
prayer maybe that Neobiim is has

782
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:07,800
been praying over the last few 
months and now he records it and

783
00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:10,080
is about to go into the presence
of the king. 

784
00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:14,040
And so that's what I think he's 
saying because he does now say 

785
00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:17,080
immediately after that now I was
cut bearer to the king. 

786
00:38:17,720 --> 00:38:20,480
And so he's leading into like 
that next thing. 

787
00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:23,920
And so that makes sense to me. 
I can't say authoritatively that

788
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:25,160
I know for sure that's what he's
saying. 

789
00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:27,520
No, I think what it draws on a 
principle right for for Bible 

790
00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:28,680
reading. 
We were talking about this too a

791
00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:32,080
little bit before. 
Is like most often the plain 

792
00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:35,680
reading is the correct reading. 
So you don't want to try to like

793
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:39,240
read too much into things and 
try to figure out too much who's

794
00:38:39,240 --> 00:38:41,800
he talking to. 
Just most often the plain 

795
00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:44,040
reading is the the correct 
interpretation. 

796
00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:46,640
So right, And if there is a 
simple explanation, that would 

797
00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:47,480
be it. 
Right. 

798
00:38:47,720 --> 00:38:49,680
It is. 
It is the thing that makes the 

799
00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:52,240
most sense cause again, 
remembering that Scripture 

800
00:38:52,240 --> 00:38:55,280
didn't have chapters and verses 
and all that stuff like it was 

801
00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:57,840
just it was a straight shot. 
Just went straight into that 

802
00:38:57,840 --> 00:39:00,200
talking about that so. 
And it makes the most sense 

803
00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:02,240
given the context and 
everything. 

804
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:03,760
But again, we can't know that 
for sure. 

805
00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:07,920
I but yeah, I'm, I'm fairly 
confident of that. 

806
00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:09,440
Yeah. 
And a lot of times we're given 

807
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:12,200
dates to to be prove out that 
all this is true, right. 

808
00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:14,600
So sometimes it's like we give 
date, we give dates like about 

809
00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:18,720
Nissan and Kislev, all that 
stuff is for us to understand 

810
00:39:18,720 --> 00:39:20,920
that this really happened. 
And it can be. 

811
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:24,120
It can be like found in other 
documents and like this story 

812
00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:26,360
actually is true. 
Yeah, I actually had listened to

813
00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:29,800
a sermon from a preacher who who
he said, you know, the beginning

814
00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:32,520
says the words of Nehemiah, the 
son of Hakaliah. 

815
00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:35,760
Now it happened in the month of 
Kislev, you know, in the 20th 

816
00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:36,640
year. 
He all the details. 

817
00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:38,960
He's like, he's like, yeah, this
was a real story. 

818
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:40,920
It wasn't like Once Upon a time.
Exactly. 

819
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:41,720
It's not. 
It's not. 

820
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:44,320
Far, far away, you know this. 
Isn't a Disney story you? 

821
00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:47,320
Know it's like it starts with 
like details and facts like like

822
00:39:47,720 --> 00:39:50,400
if anybody like when he's 
writing this, it's essentially 

823
00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:52,640
saying if anybody wants to 
challenge anything that I'm 

824
00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:55,200
writing, it's like here's all of
the information that you can go 

825
00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:57,800
back and check. 
Community notes, fact checkers, 

826
00:39:57,880 --> 00:39:58,920
Right. 
Have your way. 

827
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:00,920
Yeah, let's go. 
Yeah, that's good. 

828
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:02,040
I think that's right, though. 
I think. 

829
00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:03,880
I think. 
To answer the question, I think 

830
00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:06,560
I would agree, I think that it 
is talking about the king 

831
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:10,960
because he's going, he's about 
to go in whether or not, I mean,

832
00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:13,200
the king talks to him about like
he says, hey, notices 

833
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:15,760
something's off, right. 
And but whether or not the king 

834
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:20,680
notices or Nehemiah is going to 
address it straight on, He's he 

835
00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:22,280
knows he's about to have to do 
some action. 

836
00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:25,440
So he's praying for favor. 
So yeah, that's, that's I think 

837
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:26,800
that's the key there. 
Absolutely. 

838
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:29,040
No, it's really good. 
I'm excited about the rest of 

839
00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:29,920
the book. 
Me too. 

840
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:32,960
We got a lot, even genealogies 
to go through. 

841
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:34,000
I don't know. 
I don't know how we're going to 

842
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:35,240
break that up yet. 
We'll see. 

843
00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:40,680
Be fun figuring out. 
But again, I think genealogies 

844
00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:41,440
are helpful. 
Yeah. 

845
00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:43,560
These are real people. 
This really happened. 

846
00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:44,880
Absolutely. 
Track it down. 

847
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:46,080
Right. 
Figure this stuff out. 

848
00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:50,640
So, yeah. 
Any other words, Nehemiah? 

849
00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:55,440
OK, next week Pastor Jake takes 
takes us up into chapter 2. 

850
00:40:55,640 --> 00:40:57,200
Does he do all of chapter 2? 
I don't remember. 

851
00:40:57,480 --> 00:40:59,360
I think he goes to verse 11. 
OK. 

852
00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:02,240
SO21 to 11 or one to 10 
probably. 

853
00:41:02,240 --> 00:41:03,160
One to 10. 
That's right. 

854
00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:06,280
And then, yeah, and then we'll 
go from there. 

855
00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:07,760
But yeah, we look forward to 
hearing that. 

856
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:12,640
And yeah, LEMC, we're praying 
for you, Joe. 

857
00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:16,240
Why don't you pray for us as we 
close out this episode? 

858
00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:21,800
Lord, we come before you, the 
great God, the God of covenant, 

859
00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:26,000
the God of love, and we come 
confidently to you to pray 

860
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:29,080
because we know that you will be
faithful to hear us. 

861
00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:31,760
You will be faithful to your 
covenant and we thank you that 

862
00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:35,480
we can come to you in Jesus name
and all the promises that we 

863
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:39,320
have in Christ. 
And Lord, we come to you in 

864
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:42,720
Jesus name recognizing that that
we are sinners, that we have 

865
00:41:42,720 --> 00:41:46,320
fallen short of your standard, 
that that we have failed and, 

866
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:50,120
and disobeyed your word and 
disobeyed your perfect order and

867
00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:53,480
your perfect rule. 
But Christ faithfully fulfilled 

868
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:55,240
it. 
He perfectly lived according to 

869
00:41:55,240 --> 00:41:58,040
your law and, and was the 
sacrifice for us. 

870
00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:00,680
And so we come to you in his 
name, knowing that through faith

871
00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:04,400
in him we can be forgiven, be 
given the promise of new life, 

872
00:42:05,240 --> 00:42:07,920
and that your Spirit is walking 
with us, guiding us and leading 

873
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:10,800
us. 
And so we pray, Lord, that that 

874
00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:14,480
you would make your name great 
in us as a church, that you 

875
00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:17,360
would draw us together, that you
would unite our hearts. 

876
00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:20,480
That you would help us to strive
together as disciples and 

877
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:23,760
followers of Christ, to become 
more like him. 

878
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:27,760
To read your word, to pray your 
word, to grow together as 

879
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:29,600
disciples. 
That we are discipling one 

880
00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:33,440
another and faithfully 
fulfilling your Commission To go

881
00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:35,960
into all the world and make 
disciples of all nations, 

882
00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:38,760
baptizing them in the name of 
the Father, the Son and the Holy

883
00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:43,120
Spirit, being confident that you
are with us to the end of the 

884
00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:44,960
age. 
Lord, we thank you for these 

885
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:49,120
wonderful promises and help us 
to to go in your power and to 

886
00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:51,200
fulfill that Commission. 
In that mandate, would you 

887
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:54,640
strengthen us as a church and as
a body of believers, and would 

888
00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:57,520
you provide all that we need to 
do that we ask this in Jesus 

889
00:42:57,520 --> 00:42:59,080
name, Amen. 
Amen. 

890
00:42:59,240 --> 00:43:01,160
Well, LAMC, we'll see you next 
time. 

891
00:43:01,560 --> 00:43:02,240
Have a great day.
