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Welcome to Be on Sunday, an 
extension of the preaching 

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ministry here at Leamington. 
Emci am Jonah Chitty, one of the

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pastors here, joined by a 
pastor, Joe Penner, who preached

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a sermon recently, preached a 
lot of sermons this year, but 

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you did preach one soon or more 
recently. 

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Sorry. 
Our goal with this podcast is to

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provide you with practical 
applications from last Sunday 

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sermon. 
So if you haven't listened to 

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that, just go back, listen to 
it. 

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It's only 31 minutes long. 
It was a good one because it was

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short, and you'll get a lot of 
our discussion today by having 

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heard it already. 
So with that being said, Joe, 

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tell us about your sermon. 
Yeah. 

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Well, I mean there may be some 
folks will be like Joe preached 

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a 31 minute sermon, how do we 
get him to do that more? 

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Probably so. 
It was a busy Sunday though, to 

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put context there, right? 
It seemed like it was a very 

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full service, Not because the 
sermon was long, because we had,

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we did Lord's Supper, we had 
communion. 

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And so that was always a sweet 
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But then it just felt, yeah, 
big, full. 

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But then it was only a 30 minute
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So I was expecting it to see a 
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this morning when I looked and 
it was only 31. 

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So anyway. 
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And it was, it was shorter 
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I knew we had communion and so 
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time and so had to account for 
that. 

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But anyway, yeah, I preach a 
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We've been going through a 
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Corinthians, a letter that Paul 
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Corinth, and I was in chapter 
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Paul talks specifically about 
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So he's already reiterated, He's
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that we are going to be raised 
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raised from the dead, and we 
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And then he begins to talk about
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look like and how that's going 
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So the title of my sermon was 
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Bodies. 
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were the main points. 
You will receive a new body. 

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You will receive a superior body
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imperishable body. 
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point, you will receive a new 
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Paul there emphasizes that your 
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then it's replaced with a new 
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And I think that wasn't, it's 
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many times in life, we're always
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life, right? 
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preservation, which it's not a 
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It's a good thing. 
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to steward and to be faithful 
with so that we can live as long

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as we can so that we can serve 
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But to me it's encouraging that 
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die and you have to bury your 
body and then but you don't have

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to worry about it because it's 
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body. 
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about it being a superior body 
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because it will be like Jesus. 
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earthly body, which is fleshly, 
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spiritual, and therefore it will
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body. 
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and a spiritual body. 
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that's what we can get into that
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But that's the one point that I 
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gone more into or just did go 
more into like what, how, what 

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can we actually learn from 
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Scripture? 
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much do we know about what our 
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But anyway, we're going to be 
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And then my last point was 
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body. 
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that Paul's making, that the 
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that the imperishable can come 
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body that can die, cannot 
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eternal. 
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body. 
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Jesus. 
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your body is going to be changed
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through Jesus. 
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over death, over sin, over the 
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Because we fear death because of
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And the reason we fear death 
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know that God has a holy, 
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all fallen short of. 
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have the promise that we are 
forgiven and we have the hope of

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new life. 
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Christ, our sins are forgiven, 
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life and a new resurrected body 
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It's incredible to think about 
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I've well, I know I haven't. 
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time thinking about our 
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thought about it some, but like 
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these two chapters or chapter 15
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about it earlier in the in the 
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resurrected as well. 
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spent like a burned a ton of 
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OK, honestly, I don't maybe it 
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about last week. 
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about, like, I don't know, I 
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not, but like it's sort of weird
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body, getting a body like, 
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of anyway, I'm being honest with
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Maybe I shouldn't be so honest 
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But yeah, I've never really 
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And like I really appreciated 
you used Paul's language talking

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about like this sowing the idea 
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you ever seen a plant like start
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the top? 
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that picture started forming in 
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plant little things for the 
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seeds started inside and then 
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garden and you always see that 
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of the seed come up out of the 
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of the thing looks completely 
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So like what is that implication
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Like is, is our body going to 
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Am IA fool for even thinking 
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You fool. 
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thought it was really good in 
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It got me. 
I did get on a rabbit trail in 

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my mind during the sermon 
slightly thinking about the seed

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and thinking about all those 
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that you see online of a, of a 
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then whatever. 
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really good. 
Well, it's incredible. 

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I, I did, I, I did do research. 
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it in the sermon, but I was 
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those videos too. 
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like from that seed, but even 
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garden. 
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stalk, yeah, that starts from a 
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Right from, from a tiny seed 
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these tomato plants and cucumber
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turns into like this massive 
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along something. 
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even hold itself up, you know, 
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we were, you know, pulling 
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November. 
You're like pulling tomatoes off

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this thing. 
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that that comes from a tiny 
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about plants forever, but like 
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Cucumbers are one the vine. 
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have to hold up tomato plants. 
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live oaks where I'm from, 
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These things are like, you know,
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together and go around the trunk
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an acorn the size smaller than 
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You know, it's like that's, 
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But to think about that, like, I
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be like. 
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dive right into that because I 
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using the C that that that that 
he's not trying to stretch that 

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analogy all the way to say that 
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different. 
I don't think because when we 

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look at Jesus's body we see that
he he, like he, showed the scars

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on his hands to Thomas and to 
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Yeah, he still looked human. 
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recognizable. 
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this. 
I I wish I had gone more into 

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it, but I think there were times
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recognize him. 
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that he looked so different that
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I think his identity was 
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He supernaturally concealed 
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Right. 
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understood it was him, like he, 
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And so I think I don't think 
Paul is using that to say you're

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going to look so vastly 
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You're going to look nothing 
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I think that's sort of the point
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be raised and turned into 
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And so I think I guess it's sort
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hit home with myself. 
It's like I, I may, I think I'll

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be still missing my finger. 
This sort of came up and like. 

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You think so? 
I I don't know. 

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Oh, because of the scars. 
Because of the scars on Jesus 

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hands right like and so. 
But again, that raises a bigger 

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question. 
It's like if someone has lost an

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arm or people who've been born 
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Yeah, I don't know about that. 
I don't know. 

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I think that maybe the scars 
were used because these scars 

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were used as a proof for Thomas.
See the scars on my hand put put

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your finger in my side where you
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were maybe that I don't know. 
That's hard to that's hard to 

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know. 
It is. 

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But it's also like amazing to 
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Maybe you'll get your finger 
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You don't know. 
I kind of hope so, but I mean, 

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who am I going to complain? 
If I'm in heaven, I'll be like, 

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yeah, this place is great. 
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Yeah, I don't know that's, 
that's interesting. 

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I think I talking about it like 
listening to you talk about it. 

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Like, yeah, we're not going to 
be transformed from like from 

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like a human to some form of 
weird, like, I don't know, some 

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creature that's different 
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But I think like the, the whole 
like language about something 

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having to die is like, and 
that's when our like indwelling 

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sin will be completely killed, 
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Like that it goes and it's gone.
This indwelling sin, the sin 

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problems taken care of fully. 
And then when you're raised in 

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resurrection life, you're going 
to be raised like Jesus, which 

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means indwelling sin is gone. 
Like this idea this, this, this,

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this effect of the fall has now 
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And maybe that's the change. 
Maybe that's what Paul is 

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getting at is like this, the 
effects of the fall are now 

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removed and you can enjoy and 
glorify Christ the way you were 

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intended to, right? 
Maybe that's what it is, I don't

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think so. 
I definitely think that's a part

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of it. 
I think that's the beginning in 

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42, that whole section where 
he's talking about it's what is 

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sown perishable, right? 
Is raised imperishable, you 

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know, and So what is So it's 
sown in dishonor, it's raised in

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power, it's sown a natural body,
it's raised a spiritual body. 

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and, and I, I don't think that's
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design in any way at all. 
It's just to show the 

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limitations of what our earth, 
the way our earthly bodies were 

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spiritual bodies that we will 
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be so much better than our 
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Yeah, the it's interesting you 
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The the CSB says like on 42 it 
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So it is with the resurrection 
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raised in incorruption, that's a
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Sown in dishonor, raised in 
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change and then sown in 
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I just think that it's it's such
a cool picture. 

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I think what you made that point
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It's not like it's not like the 
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Now it's that there is something
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But I do think those are effects
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corruption, right. 
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corrupted by an outside force 
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And then since then though, like
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Since then, everyone else has 
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So like, I mean, you can get in 
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things right here. 
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Adam, the second Adam being 
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It's really interesting to think
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often, right, I mean, it doesn't
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scientist to see the nature of 
sin, right? 

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We just have to look at a child 
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and they lie and they're 
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Does that do to us it pulls sin 
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with that right. 
So like Oh yeah, I'm just like 

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thinking back through things 
last night at home. 

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It's like I had to repent this 
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it's like a 2 year old can bring
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they're sin in him, you know, 
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does happen. 
So man. 

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So that kind of was a side note,
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You're right, though, it's that 
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the fall, we're, we're born with
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need to be radically changed. 
And it's, this is just such a 

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wonderful promise, though, like,
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to wrestle with indwelling sin 
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Like that is such an amazing 
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I was just talking with somebody
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idea that even when we go 
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through struggles, when we go 
through trials, why wouldn't you

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run to Christ? 
I don't know. 

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But for some reason it's natural
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our flesh. 
We sort of instinctively don't 

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read our Bibles, don't pray, 
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help us and lead us and guide 
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We actually need the spirit to 
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need to go to Christ. 
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we'll be perfect and we won't 
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instinctively run to Christ and 
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that relationship is just it's 
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We can't wait. 
That's why that's why you hear 

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that. 
I always like heard people say 

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come Lord Jesus, right? 
Like, oh, just come on, Lord 

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Jesus, come back, you know, like
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Let's, let's get it done with. 
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hear that people say I'm like, 
why life is good. 

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the more you identify with that.
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but there's something coming 
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And so like, like I hate the 
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Christ, that I that I actually 
run away from Christ in my 

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flesh. 
And it's like when you start to 

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hate that so much, it's like 
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the Maranatha prayer. 
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Revelation, it becomes so much 
more real. 

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Yeah, yeah, it's good. 
So talk to me about Super Mario 

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Brothers. 
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use that illustration in my 
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body and just using a video game
that. 

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I mean, most people have played 
at some point in their life and 

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to think that you know, when you
when you get this star as 

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you're, you know, the. 
Star is what you wanted. 

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Getting through all 8 worlds to 
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You get the star and then you 
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You don't have to be careful. 
You need to run through all your

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enemies because nothing can 
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You know you have this 
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brief moment of time, whatever 
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you're invincible. 
Nothing can stop you. 

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I wish it went longer than 15 
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Don't. 
You real in heaven. 

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It will and that was and that 
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And it's like at some point it 
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worry about, you know, our our 
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ever running out. 
They're, they're going to be, 

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we're going to be in eternity 
with Christ forever and we'll 

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never have to worry about it not
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going to run out or anything 
like that. 

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Yeah, or yeah, or I even have to
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That's the that's the other 
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It's like you, you'll have a 
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won't even matter because 
there's not going to be any 

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like, problems there that you 
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So that's something to think 
about too. 

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But yeah, I thought it was a 
good illustration that may be 

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connected with it, Didn't it did
connect with me? 

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I was like, where's he going to 
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Mario. 
I'm like OK. 

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Game over, restart. 
Well, that could work, too. 

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It could work. 
Oh, man. 

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Or you may have gotten eaten the
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bigger. 
It's changed. 

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breaks down. 
So yeah. 

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Yeah. 
So what else that came out that 

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you that you wanted to hit on? 
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thinking about like Jesus's body
in particular, I felt like, you 

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know what, what? 
What can we learn from Jesus 

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body? 
What Like what I don't know that

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we could build a theology on. 
I don't know, I guess that's an 

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area. 
Maybe you can share your opinion

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too. 
But I guess I just wonder like 

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how much do we learn from Jesus 
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Like in his resurrected state, 
he could sort of teleport, like,

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he could just appear different 
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disciples are meeting in a room 
and it's like all of a sudden 

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Jesus is there and he just 
appears and they think they're 

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seeing a ghost. 
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they touch his hands, they touch

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him, they feel him like. 
So he is a physical being. 

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I mean, he has a body. 
And what does that teach us? 

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Something about what we will be 
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to like teleport places or you 
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eat. 
That would bring me a lot, a lot

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of drink. 
I mean, there's a table in 

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heaven. 
So I'm hoping that we're still 

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going to get to eat and not have
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Lots of smoked pork, Smoked 
brisket? 

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Yeah. 
Smoked sausage, Smoked bacon, 

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Right. 
Smoked chicken, Smoked ribs. 

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Sorry. 
It reminds me of I, I remember 

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hearing a sermon years ago where
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these sacrifices that the old, 
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And it, when you read it, it 
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you sort of uncomfortable and, 
and weird. 

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And, and I just remember a 
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you think about them cutting up 
all these animals and then 

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throwing it on a fire. 
It's like God just loves the 

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smell of a good BBQ because it 
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to the Lord and he, and he's 
sort of like accepted the 

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offering, right? 
He's like Lord just loves the 

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smell of a good BBQ. 
He likes a cookout. 

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Let's just be honest. 
Oh, yeah. 

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So I don't know. 
I haven't, like I said before, I

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haven't thought about this idea 
of our resurrected bodies too 

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much. 
Maybe because I read verse 35 

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and I was just like, or maybe 
636, you know, what kind of body

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will they have when when they 
come and you fool. 

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And so I was like, if it's 
foolish to think about it, like,

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why think about it too much? 
But I, you made a good point 

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when you said that you read that
verse and then you said, you 

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know, I thought like it's kind 
of weird that Paul would say 

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foolish people call them fools 
and then answer the question, 

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Right, Right. 
So, But I, I, I really think 

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like I was on a second reading, 
third reading, you start to 

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think about what's he talking 
about? 

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He's talking about spiritual 
stuff, not necessarily physical 

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bodies. 
I think the point is we will 

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have physical bodies. 
They will be similar to what we 

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have now, but perfected. 
I don't know if perfect is the 

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right word. 
Complete, complete meaning we 

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don't have that sin problem 
anymore. 

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And then but I think more more 
so it's like the this this stain

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of sin is removed. 
Maybe that's where I'm I don't 

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know That's that's just where I 
land on it. 

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Yeah, on being the point, so. 
Yeah, well, that's good. 

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And I to sort of the the point 
about like the foolish person. 

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Yeah, it it it really is 
interesting that you know, he he

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seems to be. 
I mean, again, you, you never 

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know know 100% for sure, but it 
seems to be calling out those 

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people who. 
The scoffers, right? 

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The scoffers, yeah, it's like 
they're, they're interested in 

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discrediting, interested in 
discrediting Christianity. 

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And it sort of reminded me of 
you have Zechariah and Mary and 

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the difference in the way that 
those two, like it's interesting

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because Zechariah gets sort of a
light rebuke from the Lord that 

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he can't speak when, when he's 
given the promise of you're 

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going to receive a son and he's 
sort of like, well, how's this 

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going to happen? 
And then, oh, you can't speak 

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now. 
Would that be a light rebuke? 

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I don't why. 
You say light rebuke, but do you

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think about? 
It I just think it could be 

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worse, that's all I mean. 
Yeah, you're right. 

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Yeah, it could be death, you 
know, instant death, right? 

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But no, I get you. 
Go ahead. 

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Sorry, but then Mary, it's kind 
of like, well, how is this going

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to be? 
And it's like the same question,

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but she she just gets the 
question answered. 

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And I think there must have been
a difference in the heart 

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attitude of the way those 
questions are answered, right? 

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Like maybe Zechariah is like, 
well, that doesn't seem possible

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to me. 
How on earth could that happen? 

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And I think maybe that's sort of
what's going on here. 

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You have some people who are 
asking the question like, well, 

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how is that even possible? 
Like, how would that work? 

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What kind of bodies would we 
have then? 

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And they're sort of the 
scoffers. 

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But then you have the people who
are like, well, how could that 

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work? 
Like, I wonder what, like what 

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you're just asking, right? 
Like, what's it going to be 

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like? 
I, I don't, I think that's a 

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question from faith, not a 
question from unbelief. 

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And I think maybe that's the 
difference. 

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I don't even think Paul knows, 
like I really don't think he 

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knows an answer because he's 
like in verse 52, he's like or 

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sorry, 5051, he says, listen, 
I'm telling you a mystery. 

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Right. 
He's like we will not all fall 

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asleep, but we will all be 
changed, meaning we won't all 

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die. 
There's going to be some people 

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who are alive. 
But like he's like, I think he 

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understands like, like it is 
mysterious. 

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Like there is something that I 
can't answer. 

447
00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:11,720
Like, you know, any time he 
talks about a mystery, he's 

448
00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:15,440
always talking about always he's
talking about the gospel. 

449
00:22:15,840 --> 00:22:18,160
Like when he when he started 
uncovering mysteries, he talking

450
00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:20,640
about Latin like Ephesians and 
all these different books and 

451
00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:23,680
letters that he writes. 
But here I think, I mean, he is 

452
00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:26,280
about to tell you a truth. 
It is a mystery, but there is 

453
00:22:26,280 --> 00:22:27,880
some truth here that you need to
get. 

454
00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:31,720
You will have a physical body. 
It will be perfect spiritually 

455
00:22:33,040 --> 00:22:36,880
because I mean, down in 54 he 
coming, he says when the 

456
00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:40,440
corruptible body is clothed with
incorruptibility, that's 

457
00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:42,160
something to think about too. 
Isn't that great? 

458
00:22:42,520 --> 00:22:44,560
And in a way we're already 
there. 

459
00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:48,160
I think that's something that 
that we need to remember too. 

460
00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:52,320
Like there is a position that we
have in Christ that that we are 

461
00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:53,880
clothed with his righteousness, 
right? 

462
00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:56,200
And that keeps coming back to 
the same thing, right? 

463
00:22:56,680 --> 00:22:59,360
And I think that's what Paul's 
going to to get out as he 

464
00:22:59,360 --> 00:23:03,840
finishes the letter. 
You already are in this way, in 

465
00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:07,000
like some, some way. 
You're positionally here, maybe 

466
00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:09,560
not physically yet, but you're 
positionally here already. 

467
00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:12,040
So live like it. 
You know, that's the that's the 

468
00:23:12,360 --> 00:23:15,760
exhortation to them is just like
1613. 

469
00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:20,600
He says be alert, stand firm, be
courageous, be strong, do 

470
00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:23,160
everything in love. 
So like live like you are in 

471
00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:26,720
Christ already, which you are. 
And so I think that's this is 

472
00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:29,920
really good so. 
Yeah, and that's that's I had 

473
00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:32,640
like this, this snapshot on the 
screen of like a point like 

474
00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:34,080
that. 
If you want to look like Jesus 

475
00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:37,440
in heaven, then you need then 
you must look like Jesus on 

476
00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:39,440
earth. 
And it's just, it is exactly 

477
00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:41,400
that idea. 
It's like this here is where you

478
00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:43,760
are positionally, which I think 
that's really hard for us to 

479
00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:48,040
understand because we don't see 
ourselves as blameless. 

480
00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:51,320
Here are words that the Bible 
uses about us, blameless, 

481
00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:56,640
spotless, righteous, holy, a 
priesthood. 

482
00:23:56,640 --> 00:23:59,440
You know, we we think of those 
words and we're like, I'm not 

483
00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:01,760
that. 
Those are all future tense 

484
00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:03,960
things, things that I'm going to
be in the future. 

485
00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:07,920
But the testimony of Scripture 
is you are those things 

486
00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:11,480
positionally in Christ, through 
your faith in Christ, you are 

487
00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:14,720
already those things. 
And so now, I mean, here's 

488
00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:19,800
something we say often as well. 
Now we live from that place of 

489
00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:22,560
our position in Christ. 
You know, we don't try to act 

490
00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:26,160
those ways to be saved or to get
righteous or to earn God's 

491
00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:28,480
favor. 
No, because of our faith in 

492
00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:32,400
Christ, we are those things. 
And so we just naturally live 

493
00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:35,480
that way and strive to be holy 
and strive to be righteous 

494
00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:38,200
because of who we are in Christ.
That's so good. 

495
00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:40,960
And I, I honestly, I really 
believe that's what Paul's 

496
00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:42,480
getting at. 
He's he's hammering home this 

497
00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:44,920
thing he's about to, it's a 
crescendo moment, right? 

498
00:24:44,920 --> 00:24:47,480
But you got to preach the 
crescendo over chapter 15. 

499
00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:50,520
Like the big, like this is what 
it's all about. 

500
00:24:52,120 --> 00:24:55,560
And he's like just so just live 
like he's there for be 

501
00:24:55,560 --> 00:25:00,640
steadfast, be immovable, always 
excelling in the Lord's work. 

502
00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:05,040
That's so good because you know 
that your labor in the Lord is 

503
00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:07,920
not in vain. 
Like, So what is all this for? 

504
00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:12,720
It's so that you can live a 
steadfast life being immovable 

505
00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:15,120
and and like giving this gospel 
over and over and over again 

506
00:25:15,120 --> 00:25:17,880
because you know it's true. 
Yeah, well, and it and it is 

507
00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:20,720
such a strong way to end given 
everything that he said. 

508
00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:23,840
Here's where maybe you get so 
close to a certain text that you

509
00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:25,160
miss like the bigger part of the
whole. 

510
00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:27,360
But like, look at some of the 
things that he said prior to 

511
00:25:27,360 --> 00:25:29,880
this. 
If there is no resurrection, 

512
00:25:30,120 --> 00:25:32,000
right, then our faith is in 
vain, right? 

513
00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:33,680
And everything that we do is in 
vain. 

514
00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:36,520
But his whole point is like, 
since these things are true, 

515
00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:38,120
it's not in vain. 
It's not. 

516
00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:41,680
And so be steadfast, like, don't
let anybody tell you these 

517
00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:45,200
things are not true. 
Believe them and work hard 

518
00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:48,120
because these things are true 
and you have a resurrection hope

519
00:25:48,360 --> 00:25:50,920
with a new body. 
And so like, work hard. 

520
00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:55,120
That's really good. 
Earlier, Joe, you brought up 

521
00:25:55,680 --> 00:26:00,520
Zechariah and Mary, and then 
Zechariah came up on Saturday 

522
00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:03,440
night. 
I don't know, listeners, if you 

523
00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:05,680
weren't there, many of you 
probably were. 

524
00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:10,760
But And you witnessed this 
horrible, horrible moment where 

525
00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:14,800
your pastor couldn't remember 
that shepherds were part of the 

526
00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:20,120
Nativity. 
Yeah, Zechariah, I thought, I 

527
00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:22,720
thought it was a good answer. 
You need you needed to give more

528
00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:24,280
details, maybe to people who 
weren't there. 

529
00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:25,880
What was the question? 
The question was like. 

530
00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:28,360
So we were playing a game. 
Called Friendly Feud, but it's 

531
00:26:28,360 --> 00:26:30,440
based on the game family Feud, 
yeah. 

532
00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:34,360
And Joe's team had gotten, they 
had gotten the ability to answer

533
00:26:34,360 --> 00:26:37,280
and they were going around the, 
the, the, the players and they 

534
00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:39,520
were given and it was the last. 
Answer Yeah, so it was these 

535
00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:43,360
questions were like you're given
a question, you know what what 

536
00:26:43,360 --> 00:26:44,840
are. 
I think it was something to the 

537
00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:47,640
effect of what are what are 
Bible characters associated with

538
00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:49,320
the. 
With the with Christmas. 

539
00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:51,400
With Christmas. 
Not an activity, but Christmas. 

540
00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:53,920
And so you had to think of 
characters and then so you have 

541
00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:57,520
a team of five and then each 
person gets to give an answer 

542
00:26:57,560 --> 00:26:59,760
and if you get 3 wrong, then the
other team the number. 

543
00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:01,720
One was Mary. 
Was Jesus even on there? 

544
00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:02,200
I don't even. 
Know. 

545
00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:03,440
I think so. 
I think, yeah. 

546
00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:05,680
Maybe it was Jesus and then Mary
were the top 2 answers. 

547
00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:08,680
Yeah. 
And it's it's funny, like you're

548
00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:12,840
you're I was fifth. 
And so people are guessing and 

549
00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:15,400
you're like, OK, well, you're 
thinking of some of the obvious 

550
00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:17,800
ones, right? 
Like, well, Mary, Jesus, Joseph.

551
00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:20,720
So people before me are gonna 
guess those because as a team, 

552
00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:23,400
you can't collaborate. 
And so I'm thinking, well, who 

553
00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:26,040
are some lesser known characters
of the story in my mind 

554
00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:29,920
immediately went to Zechariah, 
not thinking like duh, there's 

555
00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:32,800
more obvious ones than that. 
Zechariah is sort of like a deep

556
00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:34,400
answer, though. 
It's like, all right, you're 

557
00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:37,880
going deep, deep cuts here. 
'Cause it's sort of like he's at

558
00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:40,120
the beginning of Luke's 
narrative and then you don't 

559
00:27:40,120 --> 00:27:41,600
really hear much more about him 
after. 

560
00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:45,320
That and so my whole table was 
saying shepherds, shepherds, 

561
00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:47,960
shepherds. 
Jessica told me our our table 

562
00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:51,120
was too shepherds. 
And. 

563
00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:54,480
And I was just, I was blanking. 
And it was the third X too, so 

564
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:56,480
he had to pass it off. 
And the other team stole the and

565
00:27:56,480 --> 00:28:02,200
my stupid guess was *. 
But your guess came out well. 

566
00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:04,400
You were already thinking about 
Mouse whenever you said that, 

567
00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:06,360
and then your sermon was about 
the Mario star. 

568
00:28:06,360 --> 00:28:08,080
I was thinking maybe he's 
thinking about his sermon 

569
00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:11,200
yesterday. 
No, it wasn't, but it's, it's so

570
00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:13,720
funny. 
I, I was telling people I'm not 

571
00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:15,800
good in those moments anyway. 
I sort of like, I'm just gonna 

572
00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:18,000
play this game and I'm just 
gonna be the butt of everybody's

573
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:20,000
jokes, 'cause I'm horrible at 
this sort of stuff. 

574
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:23,920
But it is funny. 
You get into this mindset and I,

575
00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:27,240
I feel like when you're put in 
the spot and there's, you know, 

576
00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:29,520
100 people in the audience. 130 
people out. 

577
00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:31,160
There 100 people sitting there 
watching you. 

578
00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:34,360
I feel like if you don't get an 
answer in your mind in the first

579
00:28:34,360 --> 00:28:38,080
few seconds, your mind stops 
thinking about answers. 

580
00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:39,840
That's true. 
And it starts thinking about how

581
00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:43,320
dumb you look and how dumb you 
feel and like everybody thinks 

582
00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:47,200
I'm a moron and like, and then 
your brain doesn't have capacity

583
00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:50,000
to think about an answer and so 
you just blank. 

584
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:52,840
Like even if only one person 
thought those things, then that 

585
00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:55,720
was me, you know? 
I accepted it. 

586
00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:57,600
I it it, it. 
Yeah. 

587
00:28:57,600 --> 00:28:59,320
It humbles. 
It humbles you, which is good. 

588
00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:00,800
It was funny. 
It was. 

589
00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:02,400
It was. 
That was a funny time, so. 

590
00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:06,800
But yeah, I I had promised 
someone that I would give you a 

591
00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:10,360
grief about your answers in a 
public way. 

592
00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:13,160
People were doing that too. 
I appreciate it. 

593
00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:15,280
I appreciate that people feel 
like they can come up and make 

594
00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:16,840
fun of me. 
I didn't feel it was appropriate

595
00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:19,600
yesterday during the service or 
welcoming, so I waited till 

596
00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:21,480
today. 
This is the appropriate moment 

597
00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:22,720
for it. 
So that's funny. 

598
00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:26,440
Yeah. 
So what's your, your final word 

599
00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:28,160
on this text? 
Do you have one? 

600
00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:29,800
Are you done talking about it 
yet? 

601
00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:31,320
Yeah, I guess. 
I guess another thing that I 

602
00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:35,560
feel like I wish I had maybe 
drawn in I well, it's sort of 

603
00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:37,080
this tension that you get when 
you're preaching. 

604
00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:39,080
I, I know one of the 
encouragements that I got from 

605
00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:43,280
some of my preaching professors 
was when you're preaching it in 

606
00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:46,160
a certain book, don't always 
feel the need to like go out of 

607
00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:49,640
that book, like let let him 
share his thought. 

608
00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:52,720
Because when this letter got 
sent to Corinth, they didn't go 

609
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:54,320
oh. 
Well, how did cross referencing 

610
00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:56,960
every other author and all the 
different things that we often. 

611
00:29:57,080 --> 00:29:59,160
Do they're just reading the 
letter for what it is. 

612
00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:03,080
And so sometimes you just want 
to let the author stand from his

613
00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:05,120
letter based on what he's saying
in the context. 

614
00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:08,680
And so I didn't, I was trying 
not to go out too much, but I 

615
00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:10,960
guess something that did cross 
my mind is Paul's letter to the 

616
00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:15,200
Thessalonians and specific his 
encouragement to them. 

617
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:18,160
Their question about, well, what
about people who've died? 

618
00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:21,560
What hope do they have? 
Like Christ hasn't returned yet 

619
00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:23,760
and they're dead. 
So they missed it. 

620
00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:26,040
That's sort of the implication 
that you get there where they're

621
00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:28,760
worried about these people and 
did they miss Christ's second 

622
00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:31,760
coming? 
And Paul's like, no, because the

623
00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:34,160
dead are going to be raised on 
that. 

624
00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:36,400
I'd say he's sort of the same 
idea that he says here, the 

625
00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:38,840
trumpets going to sound, they're
going to be raised and in the 

626
00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:42,040
blink of an eye, we're all going
to be transformed and we're 

627
00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:44,320
going to live together with 
Christ. 

628
00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:46,840
And so I guess just an 
encouragement to people like, 

629
00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:51,000
and we all know people and we've
all lost loved ones probably, or

630
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:54,040
know people that have or maybe 
people close to us or whatever. 

631
00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:57,880
And what hope that gives us 
that, you know, right now their 

632
00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:00,320
souls are in heaven, but one day
their bodies are going to be 

633
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:02,320
resurrected and all of our 
bodies are going to be 

634
00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:04,520
transformed and we're going to 
be together with the Lord. 

635
00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:06,120
Like what a wonderful 
encouragement. 

636
00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:08,440
It is so good. 
What was your? 

637
00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:10,400
This may be putting you too much
on the spot without all your 

638
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:14,600
notes, Andy, but your I noticed 
on Facebook someone else shared 

639
00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:17,360
that your Charles Spurgeon quote
was very like they they really 

640
00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:18,840
appreciated it. 
So can you? 

641
00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:21,000
Do you have it, Andy? 
Yeah, I can grab it here. 

642
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:23,960
But I thought, like, you know, 
Prince of Preachers, you're, 

643
00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:26,040
you're bringing out Charlie 
Spurgeon, the great Baptist 

644
00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:29,240
preacher from England. 
If I ever have another dog, I'm 

645
00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:31,920
going to name it Charlie and 
after Charles Spurgeon. 

646
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:33,520
So I thought it was a really 
good quote. 

647
00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:35,000
If you had it, it'd be good to 
share I think. 

648
00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:37,160
Yeah, I am just getting toward 
it. 

649
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:38,760
Maybe in? 
Here, maybe I put you on too 

650
00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:39,480
much of the spot. 
There. 

651
00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:40,280
No. 
Here we go. 

652
00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:43,320
So he said, I will not fear 
thee, death. 

653
00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:47,480
Why should I? 
Thou lookest like a dragon, but 

654
00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:50,880
thy sting is gone. 
Thy teeth are broken. 

655
00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:54,360
O old lion, wherefore should I 
fear thee? 

656
00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:59,640
I know thou art no more able to 
destroy me, but thou art sent as

657
00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:03,720
a messenger to conduct me to the
Golden Gate, wherein I shall 

658
00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:07,640
enter and see my Savior's 
unveiled face forever. 

659
00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:11,400
And so it's just this idea that 
like death is not an, is no 

660
00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:14,360
longer an enemy. 
It's actually what ushers us. 

661
00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:17,240
Into That's a crazy picture. 
It's like you're looking forward

662
00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:18,160
to it. 
And that way, if you're a 

663
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:19,560
believer, you have hope. 
Yeah. 

664
00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:24,320
If you're not a believer, we 
have hope to give you, right? 

665
00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:25,840
So I think that's something for 
us all to remember. 

666
00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:27,840
Yeah. 
Spurgeon saying that you look 

667
00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:30,160
like a dragon. 
You look like I should be 

668
00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:31,880
terrified of you. 
But you don't have any teeth, 

669
00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:33,440
right? 
You have no sting. 

670
00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:36,680
You have no, no, no issues. 
In fact, I'm going to look at 

671
00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:40,160
you with joy because I know that
you're going to be the the one 

672
00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:41,960
that ushers me into the presence
of God. 

673
00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:43,040
Oh, man. 
Yeah. 

674
00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:44,960
So good. 
It is so encouraging, and it's 

675
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:46,400
like we don't have to fear it 
anymore. 

676
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:49,040
And it sort of reminds me of a 
quote that I saw this week from 

677
00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:53,000
CS Lewis, sort of in the same 
idea, but he says you don't have

678
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:55,720
a soul. 
Yeah, you are a soul. 

679
00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:57,600
You have a body. 
Yeah. 

680
00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:00,240
I was like, wow, even that's 
really interesting, right? 

681
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:05,480
This idea that the whole purpose
of us existing is to go into 

682
00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:07,040
heaven. 
It's like we have a soul, we 

683
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:10,520
have an eternal existence, and 
your your body sort of this ties

684
00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:12,720
in with Paul's whole point that 
it's like you have an earthly 

685
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:15,640
body and you will receive a 
spiritual body, but it's like 

686
00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:18,680
your soul exists eternally. 
That's a paradigm shift to to 

687
00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:19,480
think about. 
Yeah. 

688
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:22,000
Because we're so connected to 
the physical world, right? 

689
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:23,840
We are our bodies in in our 
minds. 

690
00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:26,960
It's like, no, we have a body. 
Yeah. 

691
00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:29,600
That is something to think about
that will shift like your whole,

692
00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:32,640
like perspective on life. 
Absolutely, if you can, if you 

693
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:34,760
can think about that. 
Well, and that ties into like 

694
00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:37,080
the problem that our world is 
facing right now with our 

695
00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:40,040
identity crisis, right? 
This whole like what gender am 

696
00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:42,920
I? 
And, and, and we identify with 

697
00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:48,120
things that that we shouldn't be
identifying with when we, when 

698
00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:51,160
we focus too much on the earthly
and the, and the natural and the

699
00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:53,000
things in this world. 
But like you said, that we 

700
00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:54,960
should be focusing on our unity 
with Christ. 

701
00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:59,280
But this fact that like I 
identify with who I am in Christ

702
00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:02,440
and who I've been created to be 
in this soul that will live 

703
00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:05,480
eternally rather than focusing 
on the things of this world. 

704
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:07,680
So yeah, you're right. 
It is a paradigm shift. 

705
00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:09,360
Absolutely. 
Oh, Clive Staples. 

706
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:12,360
Clive Staples, Lewis. 
Is that his name? 

707
00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:14,000
Yeah, I didn't know that. 
Great. 

708
00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:15,760
You know, name your other dog 
Clive. 

709
00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:19,360
That's a good name, Clive. 
That's a very British name. 

710
00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:22,880
Clive Staples Lewis. 
That's why he went by CS. 

711
00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:28,040
Yeah, I would too. 
Oh man, yeah, no, it's super 

712
00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:29,920
like that's convicting to think 
about. 

713
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:34,600
But I think the the negative 
side of that quote might be that

714
00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:38,040
you could potentially want to 
like, I don't know, say, well, 

715
00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:40,600
if I'm if I'm just a soul and 
then you let your body go and 

716
00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:42,800
you don't care about taking care
of your body, things like that. 

717
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:46,120
No, we have to be good stewards 
of the body that that houses our

718
00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:48,719
soul. 
That's so it's a paradigm shift 

719
00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:50,960
to think about. 
Did you say that in your sermon 

720
00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:52,159
or would you tell me that last 
week? 

721
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:54,480
You told me that quote last week
because it was super fresh when 

722
00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:56,560
we were when we were talking 
about your sermon before you 

723
00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:59,200
preached it. 
So yeah, really, really good. 

724
00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:01,240
CS Lewis is on your brain. 
Why? 

725
00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:04,240
I just started reading. 
Things you like, the things you 

726
00:35:04,240 --> 00:35:05,600
like segment, we're moving into 
that. 

727
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:08,840
So Joe started reading. 
I started reading Mere 

728
00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:11,880
Christianity by CS Lewis. 
You should do your confession. 

729
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:16,520
Yeah, I have. 
This is the first book I've ever

730
00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:19,800
read from CS Lewis. 
And so, yeah, as embarrassing as

731
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:21,520
that is. 
I don't think it's embarrassing.

732
00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:23,440
It's fine. 
It's fine. 

733
00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:25,840
I became a reader reader later 
in life. 

734
00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:28,240
Yeah, OK. 
But you were in seminary, you're

735
00:35:28,240 --> 00:35:31,280
probably 1 of like one of like 
the you were the 1% or maybe 

736
00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:35,480
like the half zero. 0.001% of 
people. 

737
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:38,960
Who never read CS Lewis, but 
being from like a Baptist 

738
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:41,600
seminary, like a lot of people 
hadn't really read CS Lewis. 

739
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:44,840
Let's be honest, there's a lot 
of people who haven't read CS 

740
00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:46,840
Lewis. 
They've read quotes by CS Lewis,

741
00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:49,480
so because he's not, he's not 
easy to read, so a lot of people

742
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:52,640
pick him up and put him down. 
Yeah, but it's an it's a this, 

743
00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:54,960
this book is an excellent, it's 
an excellent book. 

744
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:58,400
I've just started reading it, so
I'm a few chapters in, but it's 

745
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:05,120
sort of from it's, it's a, an 
intro to Christianity, but he's 

746
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:07,400
not really like, I guess I've 
not gotten to the point where 

747
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:09,200
he's really getting to 
Christianity yet. 

748
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:13,160
So he's not trying to defend, 
he's not trying to talk about 

749
00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:15,560
different ideas within 
Christianity. 

750
00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:19,560
He's kind of starting from 
because he was an atheist and 

751
00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:22,600
became a Christian. 
And so he's starting from like a

752
00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:28,040
basic idea about starting to 
think about spirituality and 

753
00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:30,480
starting to think about, you 
know, like the first chapter is 

754
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:34,320
like, well, why is there sort of
any morality in the world at 

755
00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:35,080
all? 
Right. 

756
00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:40,240
And so when someone when someone
says, oh, that's not fair or you

757
00:36:40,240 --> 00:36:44,600
lied to me, the idea is the 
implication is that there is 

758
00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:50,080
some standard of saying that 
lying is bad, right? 

759
00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:54,200
And if you say that lying is 
bad, who where does that come 

760
00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:56,120
from? 
Who who says that lying is bad? 

761
00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:59,280
And why is lying worse than 
telling the truth? 

762
00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:01,040
Or, you know, where does so 
where does that come from? 

763
00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:04,600
And so he's just starting from 
like a natural perspective of 

764
00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:07,440
why is there morality in the 
world and where does that come 

765
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:09,880
from? 
And so I think his his goal in 

766
00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:12,840
the book, I think is to reach 
people who are wrestling with 

767
00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:15,640
whether they believe anything at
all, right, if they're wrestling

768
00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:18,600
through atheism or Christianity.
And so it's a really interesting

769
00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:21,040
book. 
And I think, you know, from my 

770
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:24,000
perspective to think of ways 
that you can defend Christianity

771
00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:27,680
to maybe someone who isn't open 
to Christianity or I feel like 

772
00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:29,160
it'd probably be a good read for
people. 

773
00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:30,960
And it so far, I feel like it 
hasn't been. 

774
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:32,320
It hasn't been. 
It's not so. 

775
00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:35,200
Academic, like I think 
originally it was, it was aired 

776
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:37,520
on the radio. 
It was a series of radio 

777
00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:40,880
broadcasts where he was 
encouraging people in the faith 

778
00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:44,240
and, and trying to explain to 
maybe some people who didn't 

779
00:37:44,240 --> 00:37:46,800
understand what religion is and 
where it comes from and where 

780
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:49,680
Christianity came from and, and 
what it believes and things like

781
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:50,320
that. 
That's really good. 

782
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:51,320
So it's a good book. 
Yeah. 

783
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:53,600
I feel like it'd be helpful for 
people, anybody who wants to 

784
00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:56,520
know and to be able to defend, 
to defend Christianity. 

785
00:37:57,040 --> 00:38:00,160
You don't look him up by Clive 
Staples, Look up CS Lewis. 

786
00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:02,400
Yeah, it's good. 
Yeah, we'll put that in the show

787
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:04,240
notes. 
I mean, that's a very like 

788
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:07,960
classic work by him. 
Probably his most famous, but 

789
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:10,280
well, maybe the maybe the most 
famous is the line, the Witch in

790
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:15,600
the Wardrobe series for kids. 
But also very, very good. 

791
00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:17,640
Yeah. 
If you can get that on Audible 

792
00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:21,120
sometime, like the audio audio 
version, it's really good. 

793
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:23,120
Captain Kirk. 
No, no. 

794
00:38:23,240 --> 00:38:25,240
One of the Star Trek captains 
reads one of them. 

795
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:28,440
Oh, Picard, the bald guy, I 
can't remember his name, but he 

796
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:30,640
reads one of them like at the 
end, like one of the last books.

797
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:34,280
OK, anyway, it's got a just a 
good British voice, right, to 

798
00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:36,800
listen to that story. 
And so, yeah. 

799
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:39,080
So that's awesome. 
Anything you like? 

800
00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:42,520
Yeah, I like a lot of things. 
I like Crocs. 

801
00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:44,920
I don't like the way they look, 
but I like the way they feel. 

802
00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:47,440
Crocs are ugly shoes, but 
they're comfortable. 

803
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:51,160
That's not what I like. 
I've recently sort of thinking 

804
00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:54,240
about it's, it's December, 
thinking about January coming, 

805
00:38:54,240 --> 00:38:58,040
thinking about productivity and 
planning my day and trying to 

806
00:38:58,040 --> 00:39:01,120
organize my life. 
Everybody, not everybody, but a 

807
00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:04,200
lot of people start thinking 
about it now or maybe they start

808
00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:07,520
thinking about it in January, 
which I think is the wrong time 

809
00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:08,960
to think about it. 
You should probably think about 

810
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:12,880
it like November setting up 
systems, yeah, in your in your 

811
00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:14,480
life so that you can organize 
things. 

812
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:19,080
But I'm reading a book called a 
Rereading 1 called Deep Work by 

813
00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:21,600
Cal Newport. 
We had to read it in one of our 

814
00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:25,840
classes. 
I was actually preaching class. 

815
00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:28,560
He made us read it in our, in 
our preaching practicum class. 

816
00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:32,200
And like, OK, so like if you're 
going to be a preacher, you need

817
00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:34,400
to learn how to read. 
Like that's essentially what it 

818
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:35,400
is. 
You need to become a better 

819
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:38,280
reader. 
You need to be able to like do 

820
00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:42,800
like focused work and not just 
like, because honestly, we live 

821
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:45,400
in like the most distracted 
world, like in existence. 

822
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:49,120
I think like there was 
distractions prior to the 

823
00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:51,960
invention of the Internet, but 
they're so much more prevalent 

824
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:54,920
now. 
And so like living like in a 

825
00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:57,680
distracted world and having, how
do you figure out deep work? 

826
00:39:57,680 --> 00:39:59,520
How do you? 
And so it's just a really good 

827
00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:02,320
book. 
It helps you like put things in 

828
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:04,600
categories and compartmentalize 
things. 

829
00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:06,920
OK, this is my time for deep 
work on this. 

830
00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:09,560
And like making sure you plan 
things out. 

831
00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:13,320
So I'm starting that again to 
hope to build a system about 

832
00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:15,200
that. 
So I know you've thought about 

833
00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:18,720
productivity quite a bit. 
We've because I know we've 

834
00:40:18,720 --> 00:40:20,840
talked about it so much. 
Like there's different tools and

835
00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:23,360
resources. 
But then like, here's my thing, 

836
00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:27,480
Joe, like all the tools and 
resources that you can find on 

837
00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:30,840
the Internet, use the Internet. 
Yeah. 

838
00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:33,520
So like where do you go? 
I don't know so. 

839
00:40:33,720 --> 00:40:37,160
It is challenging. 
Should I use a journal? 

840
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:39,640
Should I use like a handwritten 
journal? 

841
00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:43,200
Should I use a digital planner? 
Is it OK that I use a Google 

842
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:45,880
Calendar? 
Or should I should I use like? 

843
00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:47,000
I don't know. 
All those things are the 

844
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:48,400
questions I'm wrestling with, 
right? 

845
00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:52,760
Now, well, and they are hard 
questions because often times 

846
00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:56,000
they lead you, they lead you to 
being on your phone, which can 

847
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:59,160
lead to distraction, which is 
sort of like the downside of 

848
00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:02,240
them, right? 
And so, yeah, I don't, I don't 

849
00:41:02,240 --> 00:41:03,360
know the answer to your 
question. 

850
00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:05,720
I think everybody has to to 
figure figure out a way to do 

851
00:41:05,720 --> 00:41:07,440
that on their own. 
What a cop out answer. 

852
00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:09,760
What a cop on it. 
That's what you get with me. 

853
00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:14,440
No, that's not true. 
You always get good advice from 

854
00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:17,440
Joe. 
I try, but yeah, I, I feel like 

855
00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:21,800
one of the things that I, that I
do, you know, like let's say 

856
00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:24,600
specifically in a week where I'm
doing sermon prep, you know, you

857
00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:28,480
know, this is my, my phone is on
do not disturb from, you know, 

858
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:32,000
6:00 AM to 12:00 PM. 24 hours. 
A day. 

859
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:34,040
Not not 7 days. 
No, that's not true. 

860
00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:40,040
So from from from six till noon,
my phone is on do not disturb. 

861
00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:42,960
And so sometimes I feel bad 
about that because you know, you

862
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:45,080
know, you can like pull up and 
you can like text someone. 

863
00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:48,880
You're about to text someone and
it says deliver to show as do 

864
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:50,880
not disturb on. 
And I feel like that's very 

865
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:54,680
blunt, you know, Do not disturb.
No, I think it's OK. 

866
00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:56,560
It is. 
I, I, I know people understand 

867
00:41:56,560 --> 00:41:58,760
that, but I mean, you can still 
send the text. 

868
00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:01,880
You just have to know that for 
me, I'm going to get to it when 

869
00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:04,320
I'm going to get to it. 
And if and if it's important, 

870
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:06,760
you just need to call. 
Hit that Notify anyway button. 

871
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:09,800
Don't do that. 
I'm still going to ignore it. 

872
00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:13,400
But for me, like that's, that's 
my opportunity to, to do deep 

873
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:15,640
work. 
Like my mind is sharpest in the 

874
00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:18,000
morning. 
And so I just know I have to 

875
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:21,320
dedicate that the that first 
part of the morning, like my 

876
00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:26,080
best part of my day to deep work
and focusing on the sermon. 

877
00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:30,440
Because if you're doing any sort
of focused work, you can't get 

878
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:32,280
distracted. 
And I would say this applies to 

879
00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:35,800
anybody in any field, right? 
Like if you're a Carpenter or a,

880
00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:40,080
a bricklayer or whatever, 
whatever work you're doing, if 

881
00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:42,480
you're constantly getting 
distracted, like you take a 

882
00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:45,120
measurement and then someone 
comes and asks you a question. 

883
00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:47,800
And so now you spend 5-10 
minutes having a conversation 

884
00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:48,840
with them. 
Now you go back, you're like, 

885
00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:50,600
what was I doing again? 
Oh, yeah, I got to measure this 

886
00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:52,160
wall again. 
And so you got to go and measure

887
00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:53,320
it again. 
And you forget what you were 

888
00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:54,720
doing. 
You got to get back into the 

889
00:42:54,720 --> 00:42:56,320
headspace. 
And that's exactly what it is 

890
00:42:56,320 --> 00:42:59,320
with sermon prep where it's like
if I, if I'm looking at every 

891
00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:02,440
notification or if I even have 
notifications on and I'm hearing

892
00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:05,600
the Ding all the time, it's 
distracting you and your mind 

893
00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:07,440
can't focus on what it needs to 
focus on. 

894
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:11,040
And so you're right, you need to
Createspace for your mind just 

895
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:13,400
to focus. 
And I even find for myself like 

896
00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:17,400
putting your buds in, putting 
some sort of like background 

897
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:23,040
noise on so that I can sort of 
get in a zone sort of and just 

898
00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:25,840
focus on on what I on that 
sermon prep. 

899
00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:28,920
Yeah, I think like it's 
important to like not just for 

900
00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:30,200
Sherman prep or anything like 
that. 

901
00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:32,600
The deep work is something that 
everybody has, something that 

902
00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:35,000
they do that's that there 
requires concentration. 

903
00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:38,600
But that was one of the things 
you mentioned your deep work 

904
00:43:38,600 --> 00:43:42,120
time, your best times in the 
mornings that Cal Newport would 

905
00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:44,280
just say that should be 
everybody's deep work time. 

906
00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:48,040
Find out time in the morning 
before you get into your day 

907
00:43:48,040 --> 00:43:52,680
because the rest of the day will
determine your mindset for the 

908
00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:54,440
day. 
And so like if I get started on 

909
00:43:54,440 --> 00:43:57,800
something or if I don't get 
started, I say, all right, my 

910
00:43:57,800 --> 00:44:00,720
deep works going to be from 3:00
PM to 5:00 PM, whatever. 

911
00:44:00,720 --> 00:44:03,640
I'm going to work on this. 
It's that much harder because 

912
00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:06,720
you have to figure out a way to 
then just like reset your brain 

913
00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:11,040
and then start something, 
something more like it's because

914
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:13,240
it's hard because you're already
going to be attacked by all the 

915
00:44:13,240 --> 00:44:15,400
distractions. 
So you got to figure out a way. 

916
00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:17,920
So the morning is the best. 
So I think I might join the 5:00

917
00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:19,680
AM club. 
I've done this before. 

918
00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:24,160
I've gotten up at 5 AM, 5:30 AM 
and gotten busy, but like really

919
00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:28,400
getting like annoyingly 
consistent with it. 

920
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:33,080
And then also like yours, you, 
you said, it's not like it isn't

921
00:44:33,080 --> 00:44:35,320
super annoying when someone sees
that that Joe's got 

922
00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:38,400
notifications turned off. 
But like in your mind, I'm being

923
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:40,120
annoying, right? 
Like I'm turning it off. 

924
00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:42,880
Do not disturb me. 
I'm busy, like I can't be to 

925
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:46,280
set, you know, whatever. 
Yeah, but that's Cal Newport's 

926
00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:47,880
thing. 
He's like, I'm going to be 

927
00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:50,600
annoying with this to people 
like, because they need to 

928
00:44:50,600 --> 00:44:54,160
understand I'm setting up 
barriers and guardrails in my 

929
00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:56,360
life so that I can do something 
that's valuable. 

930
00:44:57,280 --> 00:44:59,960
And that's the goal. 
So I'm thinking about doing, you

931
00:44:59,960 --> 00:45:02,640
know, figuring out all those 
strategic things that you need 

932
00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:04,720
to do prior to when you actually
start. 

933
00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:06,120
Well, yeah, you're exactly 
right. 

934
00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:09,280
You are just putting boundaries 
in because the goal is not to be

935
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:12,360
unavailable. 
The goal is to say, I have a 

936
00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:16,400
certain, a certain work that I 
need to get done and I'm leaving

937
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:19,800
a window of time for that. 
And then I open up my afternoons

938
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:23,080
for whatever, whatever other 
work there is to do, whether 

939
00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:26,680
that's, you know, texting 
people, encouraging people doing

940
00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:30,000
visitations, whatever. 
And so you createspace for that,

941
00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:34,240
right? 
Because I think the idea is I, I

942
00:45:34,240 --> 00:45:37,600
think some of the hesitation is 
that you think we need to be 

943
00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:39,600
connected. 
I think that's the problem that 

944
00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:43,120
we feel like we have to be 
connected, that every text that 

945
00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:46,600
comes in is vitally important 
for me to answer or every phone 

946
00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:48,240
call that comes in is vitally 
important. 

947
00:45:48,240 --> 00:45:51,600
I would argue that it's not like
even if you are in some sort of 

948
00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:55,400
trade and you and you, let's say
you're the person, you know, 

949
00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:58,640
you're, you're building the 
house or doing the work and 

950
00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:00,440
you're also trying to get new 
customers. 

951
00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:03,720
I don't think you need to be on 
standby all the time with your 

952
00:46:03,720 --> 00:46:07,760
phone, like focus on doing work 
through the morning and then 

953
00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:10,040
make yourself available in the 
afternoon or whatever. 

954
00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:14,160
Like you can get to it later. 
Like most often times, something

955
00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:17,000
is not so pressing that it has 
to be figured out right this 

956
00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:18,040
second. 
Right. 

957
00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:21,240
And if someone, if someone is 
that urgent, like, or they need 

958
00:46:21,240 --> 00:46:22,840
something that urgent, they'll 
find a way to get in touch with 

959
00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:25,560
you. 
Or if they, if you lose the the 

960
00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:28,320
contact or whatever, that might 
not be something you wanted to 

961
00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:30,800
do business with anyway because 
they're going to be so pressing 

962
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:33,440
on you all the time. 
Yeah, it's, it's so many things 

963
00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:36,640
to think about, but yeah, so 
that I think that's true. 

964
00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:39,760
Like the other thing is like 
recognizing that the work that 

965
00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:42,400
I'm going to, that I want to do,
like deep work that I want to do

966
00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:45,720
is valuable work. 
Because I think that's the other

967
00:46:45,720 --> 00:46:49,840
thing in your mindset, you're 
you're devaluing the work that 

968
00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:52,800
you want to do by just making 
yourself available all the time.

969
00:46:53,160 --> 00:46:55,440
And so like I just turned 
notifications off of certain 

970
00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:59,600
apps forever. 
Like like, I don't know, text 

971
00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:02,400
messages never. 
But like Signal, yes, I turn 

972
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:06,920
Signal off, you know, so I will 
look at it from time to time, 

973
00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:08,560
but it's not something is 
primary for me. 

974
00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:13,320
So those are the types I don't 
know, like what's another thing?

975
00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:17,360
Just quickly, like what is your 
recommendation for like how 

976
00:47:17,360 --> 00:47:19,640
quickly should I return a phone 
call? 

977
00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:23,760
Or is it super like like what's 
the what? 

978
00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:25,480
Do you have any timelines built 
into your mind? 

979
00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:27,440
Like, OK, it's a phone call, 
maybe I should call them back 

980
00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:30,160
or, or it's a text. 
Maybe I should reach back out or

981
00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:32,400
is there like certain if it's a 
e-mail, is it like 10 days? 

982
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:36,400
I don't know or never. 
I remember seeing something from

983
00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:39,480
someone else I I'm not a good 
judge of this 'cause I feel like

984
00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:42,760
I people have probably have 
complaints about me and my 

985
00:47:42,760 --> 00:47:45,640
communication. 
I would think a text or a phone 

986
00:47:45,640 --> 00:47:47,960
call should be should be 
answered the same day, same day.

987
00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:52,840
An e-mail is less pressing. 
I I think a few days is probably

988
00:47:52,840 --> 00:47:55,040
acceptable. 
I've heard other people say 

989
00:47:55,040 --> 00:47:59,000
within the week, but I would 
think generally it's like like 

990
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:03,800
for for me, a text, if someone 
texts me, I am already assuming 

991
00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:07,720
this is not that important. 
OK, It's, that's my assumption. 

992
00:48:07,720 --> 00:48:11,240
I'm working from that starting 
point of like, if you really 

993
00:48:11,240 --> 00:48:14,240
needed to get a hold of me, you 
would have called because it was

994
00:48:14,240 --> 00:48:16,840
important. 
Like I, I have to talk to Joe 

995
00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:19,040
right now. 
And that's the same thing that I

996
00:48:19,040 --> 00:48:20,720
do. 
Like if I text people, that's 

997
00:48:20,720 --> 00:48:22,160
the same assumption I have, 
right? 

998
00:48:22,640 --> 00:48:25,400
That I'm I'm just hoping you're 
going to get back to me in the 

999
00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:27,320
near future. 
I think there's a shift in 

1000
00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:31,680
thinking like I think that 
there's a like a text message. 

1001
00:48:33,600 --> 00:48:36,320
There is a certain like 
demographic that thinks the text

1002
00:48:36,320 --> 00:48:39,320
messages is all they'll do. 
I fall into that demographic 

1003
00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:40,560
like I don't really want to 
call. 

1004
00:48:41,520 --> 00:48:43,600
If it's a call, I think, Oh my 
goodness, somebody's arm fell 

1005
00:48:43,600 --> 00:48:46,000
off or super important. 
What's wrong? 

1006
00:48:46,200 --> 00:48:49,000
Yeah, like what's wrong? 
OK, I'm answering the phone text

1007
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:52,520
messages is my primary like 
desire to communicate by text 

1008
00:48:52,520 --> 00:48:53,720
because I really don't want to 
talk. 

1009
00:48:53,800 --> 00:48:57,320
I just, I mean, I'm fine talking
to you in like this or like in 

1010
00:48:57,480 --> 00:49:00,800
in person, but like anyway, I'd 
so I think there's a certain, 

1011
00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:04,840
but, but I know that the newer 
generation is going away from 

1012
00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:06,480
text. 
So the younger generation, I 

1013
00:49:06,720 --> 00:49:09,960
experienced this back in 
Louisville, these guys who were 

1014
00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:12,240
in there like early 20s, they, 
they refused to text. 

1015
00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:15,440
They just call really all the 
time for everything. 

1016
00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:17,320
And I'm like, well, I don't know
if it's important or not. 

1017
00:49:18,160 --> 00:49:19,240
So like. 
Interesting. 

1018
00:49:19,240 --> 00:49:21,760
So you, you, you have that 
experience that young people are

1019
00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:23,080
moving away from. 
Yeah. 

1020
00:49:23,080 --> 00:49:25,200
But I don't know if it's 
widespread and I don't know if 

1021
00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:27,600
our podcast sample size is 
widespread enough for you guys 

1022
00:49:27,600 --> 00:49:30,000
to tell me. 
But anyway, it's interesting to 

1023
00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:31,720
think about. 
But I, I tend to agree with you.

1024
00:49:31,720 --> 00:49:37,240
I think like a text 24 hours, 
you know, the phone call, maybe 

1025
00:49:37,240 --> 00:49:39,520
within like, you know, depending
on your availability, it's a 

1026
00:49:39,520 --> 00:49:42,760
late, late in the evening call, 
maybe the next day or whatever. 

1027
00:49:42,760 --> 00:49:45,200
I think that's OK. 
There are probably a lot of 

1028
00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:49,120
factors because I do know a lot 
of guys that if it's like 

1029
00:49:49,120 --> 00:49:53,560
arranging plans or, or like 
simple, like simple texts, 

1030
00:49:53,560 --> 00:49:55,840
things like that, they're fine. 
They're happy to text, they're 

1031
00:49:55,840 --> 00:49:58,920
happy to message, you know, 
WhatsApp or Signal or a text or 

1032
00:49:58,920 --> 00:50:01,520
whatever. 
But if it's as soon as it gets 

1033
00:50:01,520 --> 00:50:05,080
into like paragraphs and, and 
you know, like more details, 

1034
00:50:05,080 --> 00:50:07,920
they're just like, no, then just
give me a phone call, 'cause I 

1035
00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:10,920
think, and I sort of appreciate 
that perspective because it is 

1036
00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:12,720
just so much easier to 
communicate. 

1037
00:50:13,040 --> 00:50:16,640
I know for me, I sort of do the 
same thing, but I do I, I 

1038
00:50:16,640 --> 00:50:18,440
actually really appreciate the 
voice messages. 

1039
00:50:18,440 --> 00:50:20,040
I do too. 
I know they can be awkward and 

1040
00:50:20,040 --> 00:50:23,400
weird and some people hate them,
but I like them because it's the

1041
00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:25,960
best of both worlds. 
It's like I don't just have to 

1042
00:50:25,960 --> 00:50:28,920
communicate via text. 
I can sort of convey what I want

1043
00:50:28,920 --> 00:50:32,680
to convey with my voice and give
you information and sort of give

1044
00:50:32,680 --> 00:50:34,600
you all the background stuff and
whatever. 

1045
00:50:35,040 --> 00:50:37,280
Leave a minute or two-minute 
voice, voice message. 

1046
00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:41,520
Sometimes 4 minutes. 
They get, they get sneaky long, 

1047
00:50:41,520 --> 00:50:42,440
right? 
Sometimes you're like, whoa, 

1048
00:50:42,440 --> 00:50:43,760
I've been on here for 4 minutes 
already. 

1049
00:50:44,200 --> 00:50:46,880
But anyway, then it's like, then
you can respond when you want, 

1050
00:50:46,880 --> 00:50:48,040
right? 
It's like I don't have to call 

1051
00:50:48,040 --> 00:50:51,560
you because it's not really that
important, but I'm leaving you 

1052
00:50:51,560 --> 00:50:54,000
the information that I need with
a tone that I want to leave 

1053
00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:56,920
because text doesn't. 
Text doesn't have tone. 

1054
00:50:57,240 --> 00:50:59,160
But now you can respond whenever
you get a chance. 

1055
00:50:59,160 --> 00:51:00,680
It's not like a pressing thing, 
but. 

1056
00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:04,440
Yeah, So deep works on my mind. 
I'm trying to think through like

1057
00:51:04,440 --> 00:51:08,000
how do I set up my day in a way 
that is most impactful for my 

1058
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:10,200
family and for the Kingdom and 
all these things that we're 

1059
00:51:10,200 --> 00:51:13,720
doing and trying to to navigate 
all the different things in 

1060
00:51:13,720 --> 00:51:15,680
life. 
So deep work by Cal Newport. 

1061
00:51:15,680 --> 00:51:18,000
That was a long. 
I'll maybe just give one 

1062
00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:20,720
recommendation, like in that 
sense that I've, I've learned 

1063
00:51:20,720 --> 00:51:23,520
from someone else. 
I, I know I have someone who's, 

1064
00:51:23,560 --> 00:51:26,280
who's very intentional with this
and I really, really appreciate 

1065
00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:28,320
their perspective. 
You know, he looks at his 

1066
00:51:28,320 --> 00:51:31,320
schedule like a plate and you, 
you fill up the plate. 

1067
00:51:31,720 --> 00:51:35,080
And so whenever he gets asked to
do something different that's 

1068
00:51:35,080 --> 00:51:37,800
not on his plate, he thinks 
about it and is very careful 

1069
00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:41,320
about it and very prayerful 
about it, that if I'm going to 

1070
00:51:41,320 --> 00:51:44,600
add this to my plate, that means
I must remove something else 

1071
00:51:44,600 --> 00:51:47,280
from my plate to make room. 
You don't just keep piling it 

1072
00:51:47,280 --> 00:51:47,760
on. 
Right. 

1073
00:51:47,760 --> 00:51:49,800
It'll be like Thanksgiving 
dinner where you just finish and

1074
00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:51,720
you're just like, you can't do 
anything else for two days. 

1075
00:51:51,720 --> 00:51:52,960
But right, So full. 
Right. 

1076
00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:54,840
And you and you don't want to do
that, right? 

1077
00:51:54,880 --> 00:51:57,600
And I think that's a mistake 
that some people make is they 

1078
00:51:57,600 --> 00:51:59,480
think that every time they're 
asked to do something, they just

1079
00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:02,720
keep adding things to their 
plate and then get super busy 

1080
00:52:03,120 --> 00:52:05,560
and stressed and potentially 
burnout. 

1081
00:52:05,560 --> 00:52:08,760
And we don't want that for 
people in our church. 

1082
00:52:09,240 --> 00:52:11,840
I, I think you ought to be 
considering having healthy 

1083
00:52:11,840 --> 00:52:14,920
boundaries in your life. 
You need to have space for you 

1084
00:52:14,920 --> 00:52:16,720
to pursue your relationship with
the Lord. 

1085
00:52:16,720 --> 00:52:20,000
You need space to pursue your 
wife and your kids or even just 

1086
00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:22,840
your friends if you're single. 
Those things are important. 

1087
00:52:22,840 --> 00:52:24,680
And so you need to have healthy 
boundaries. 

1088
00:52:24,680 --> 00:52:27,520
And when you get asked to do 
something, consider dropping 

1089
00:52:27,520 --> 00:52:30,000
something else off your plate. 
Because I, the Lord is not 

1090
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:33,320
asking you just to to make 
yourself so insanely busy that 

1091
00:52:33,520 --> 00:52:35,280
you know you, you hate your 
life, right? 

1092
00:52:36,200 --> 00:52:38,320
Yeah, that's super important. 
Like the deep work is your 

1093
00:52:38,320 --> 00:52:40,520
spiritual work, too. 
You can think about it that way.

1094
00:52:40,520 --> 00:52:44,080
So yeah, it's good. 
Anything else to add today, 

1095
00:52:44,280 --> 00:52:45,800
Pastor Joe? 
I think that's it. 

1096
00:52:45,840 --> 00:52:50,600
Pastor Joe Penner. 
OK, well, as usual, like we 

1097
00:52:50,600 --> 00:52:52,200
started to end this thing with a
prayer. 

1098
00:52:52,200 --> 00:52:54,600
So would you mind praying to 
close us out? 

1099
00:52:54,720 --> 00:52:55,400
Absolutely. 
All right. 

1100
00:52:56,440 --> 00:53:00,680
Well, we thank you so much for 
your Word and that we get to to 

1101
00:53:00,680 --> 00:53:04,920
meet weekly, meet weekly and 
grow together in it, to study 

1102
00:53:04,920 --> 00:53:07,360
it, to analyze it, to live by 
it. 

1103
00:53:07,360 --> 00:53:10,240
Lord, we pray that you would 
help us to live by it, by faith,

1104
00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:13,760
and that we would not just be a 
people of your word on Sundays, 

1105
00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:17,320
but that we would be a church 
and a people that are rooted in 

1106
00:53:17,320 --> 00:53:19,880
your Word throughout the week on
a daily basis. 

1107
00:53:19,880 --> 00:53:22,040
That we are finding the 
nourishment and the strength 

1108
00:53:22,040 --> 00:53:24,520
that we can find in Your Word on
a daily basis. 

1109
00:53:25,080 --> 00:53:27,560
And Lord, we pray that Your 
Spirit would be active in our 

1110
00:53:27,560 --> 00:53:30,760
hearts and in our lives as we 
grow in Your Word, and that You 

1111
00:53:30,760 --> 00:53:33,680
would be applying these truths 
to our lives so that we can find

1112
00:53:33,680 --> 00:53:36,960
joy and hope and peace in these 
things. 

1113
00:53:36,960 --> 00:53:39,520
And as we think particularly of 
the resurrection in our 

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resurrected bodies, what a 
glorious hope that we have in 

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Christ that we will be 
resurrected with new bodies that

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will never perish again. 
Lord, we pray that that that 

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would strengthen us and enable 
us to live lives for your glory,

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to work hard, to be steadfast, 
to be immovable as we work hard,

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knowing that all of our work is 
producing an eternal weight of 

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glory that we will enjoy 
forever. 

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We thank you in Jesus name, 
Amen. 

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Amen. 
Well, thanks all, as always, for

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joining us. 
We've got two more weeks in 

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First Corinthians. 
It's crazy. 

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We're getting to the end and 
then we will finish the year out

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and then start the next book. 
Can I go ahead and announce it? 

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Yeah, we're going to be in 
Nehemiah, Nehemiah, Nehemiah. 

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So we'll be there for, I don't 
know, about 2 1/2 months, maybe 

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three months total in Nehemiah. 
So we're looking forward to that

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as well. 
We got two more weeks of First 

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Corinthians. 
So keep joining us. 

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We'll talk to you soon.