1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:04,160 Welcome to Beyond Sunday, a ministry of the preaching 2 00:00:04,160 --> 00:00:08,360 ministry here at LEMC. My name is Joseph Penner. 3 00:00:08,360 --> 00:00:12,800 I'm the associate pastor here at LEMC, and I'm joined by our 4 00:00:12,840 --> 00:00:15,480 discipleship pastor, Jonah Chitty. 5 00:00:15,480 --> 00:00:18,040 How are you doing today? I've got the giggles. 6 00:00:18,320 --> 00:00:21,440 Got the giggles, Joe. When do you go by Joseph? 7 00:00:21,640 --> 00:00:24,160 And then, then, then you switch and go to by Joe. 8 00:00:24,160 --> 00:00:27,280 I noticed. It's funny you say that because 9 00:00:27,280 --> 00:00:29,240 I've noticed that the last couple weeks. 10 00:00:30,320 --> 00:00:32,560 So for anybody who's coming to our church, you know that I 11 00:00:32,560 --> 00:00:34,760 introduced myself as the associate pastor in both 12 00:00:34,760 --> 00:00:37,040 services. I've noticed the last couple 13 00:00:37,040 --> 00:00:40,480 weeks in one service I'll say Joe and then the next one I'll 14 00:00:40,480 --> 00:00:43,520 say Joseph. So you're more relaxed in the 15 00:00:43,520 --> 00:00:46,280 first service and the second service you're more on, more on 16 00:00:46,280 --> 00:00:48,680 like more formal. Maybe I I wouldn't know which 17 00:00:48,680 --> 00:00:52,280 one I say which in I just sort of noticed my I'm like wow, I 18 00:00:52,280 --> 00:00:53,880 said it different this. Interesting. 19 00:00:53,880 --> 00:00:55,640 It is interesting. Like I my name, I just say 20 00:00:55,640 --> 00:00:57,760 Jonah. I don't have AI, don't have a 21 00:00:57,760 --> 00:01:00,360 short, I could say Joe. Have you ever been called Joe? 22 00:01:00,440 --> 00:01:01,800 No, never. Interesting. 23 00:01:01,920 --> 00:01:03,560 I've been called Joner. Joner. 24 00:01:04,920 --> 00:01:07,600 My grandpa called me Joner and I and I would correct him every 25 00:01:07,600 --> 00:01:12,040 time I like, no, it's Jonah. And he would be, like, laughing 26 00:01:12,040 --> 00:01:14,880 and say Joner. And then he would, he had, he 27 00:01:14,880 --> 00:01:17,280 had all dentures and he would just, like, shove his teeth out 28 00:01:17,280 --> 00:01:19,560 of his mouth. I'm unlocking a childhood memory 29 00:01:19,560 --> 00:01:21,360 as we're talking right now, which is a little weird. 30 00:01:21,480 --> 00:01:23,480 Yeah. What? 31 00:01:23,480 --> 00:01:25,560 That was kind of par for the course for this podcast, so. 32 00:01:25,560 --> 00:01:27,120 Yeah, that's fitting at Christmas time. 33 00:01:27,160 --> 00:01:30,520 Oh man, he would, he would take him out, throw him in the glass 34 00:01:31,080 --> 00:01:33,760 and like while we're sitting there, it's like, oh, okay, that 35 00:01:33,760 --> 00:01:36,760 happened. Whatever. 36 00:01:37,240 --> 00:01:39,920 Dentures are weird man. Yeah, that is super. 37 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:41,240 Not as much of a thing anymore, but. 38 00:01:41,240 --> 00:01:44,400 Right. Well, yeah, I I prefer Joe, 39 00:01:44,440 --> 00:01:45,840 honestly. I just feel like it's. 40 00:01:46,520 --> 00:01:48,920 That's a good segue back to the name. 41 00:01:48,920 --> 00:01:50,840 Tell me the. Original question, I prefer Joe 42 00:01:50,840 --> 00:01:52,960 just because I feel like it's more casual and I'm totally fine 43 00:01:52,960 --> 00:01:54,720 with that. Joe is great. 44 00:01:54,720 --> 00:01:59,480 Yeah, I would say Joe, you are casual business cash is what I 45 00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:02,000 think when I think Joe and he's going to be wearing a polo shirt 46 00:02:02,680 --> 00:02:06,880 or maybe AT shirt, but mostly a polo shirt and some khakis maybe 47 00:02:06,880 --> 00:02:08,720 pair just you just look business cash. 48 00:02:09,120 --> 00:02:11,480 Business cash. So yeah, Joe makes more sense to 49 00:02:11,480 --> 00:02:13,280 me. Yeah, well, Merry Christmas, 50 00:02:13,280 --> 00:02:14,800 everybody. We Merry Christmas. 51 00:02:14,840 --> 00:02:18,440 Recording this on Monday December the 23rd, 2 days before 52 00:02:18,440 --> 00:02:20,320 Christmas. Christmas, Adam. 53 00:02:21,120 --> 00:02:23,640 Christmas what? Adam, my kids. 54 00:02:24,040 --> 00:02:26,560 I don't know, I think maybe I made the joke once before and 55 00:02:26,560 --> 00:02:28,040 they just latched on today as Christmas. 56 00:02:28,040 --> 00:02:29,680 Adam, because Adam came before Eve. 57 00:02:30,320 --> 00:02:33,000 Oh, that's funny. And they carry it on to the 58 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:35,800 absurd, like, you know, yesterday was creation, like 59 00:02:35,800 --> 00:02:37,440 whatever part of creation it was. 60 00:02:37,880 --> 00:02:40,960 And they go by all the way anyway. 61 00:02:41,760 --> 00:02:45,600 Yeah, ridiculous, ridiculous children. 62 00:02:45,800 --> 00:02:46,920 Ridiculous. Anywho. 63 00:02:46,960 --> 00:02:48,680 It's Christmas, Adam. It's Christmas. 64 00:02:48,680 --> 00:02:51,560 That's just we we call it Christmas Eve Eve. 65 00:02:51,920 --> 00:02:54,680 Oh, that's that's even. I don't know if that's also 66 00:02:54,680 --> 00:02:56,440 weird. I agree. 67 00:02:56,520 --> 00:03:01,320 But yeah, eve eve anyway. Anyway, you preached a sermon 68 00:03:01,320 --> 00:03:03,240 this last. Let's just get to the heart of 69 00:03:03,240 --> 00:03:04,680 the matter. Nobody came here for all of 70 00:03:04,680 --> 00:03:05,000 that. I. 71 00:03:05,480 --> 00:03:08,320 Think they probably just come here for that and they put up 72 00:03:08,320 --> 00:03:11,280 with the other stuff maybe. Yeah, you preached this last 73 00:03:11,280 --> 00:03:14,480 Sunday and you finally, you closed out our sermon series 74 00:03:14,480 --> 00:03:16,680 through the book of First Corinthians, and you got the 75 00:03:16,680 --> 00:03:18,080 last sermon. So how did it feel to be the 76 00:03:18,080 --> 00:03:22,720 closer? I don't know, it was, it was 77 00:03:22,720 --> 00:03:25,520 kind of fun to like just like that. 78 00:03:25,680 --> 00:03:28,640 I, I just typed, I typed this in my notes and I was like, after 79 00:03:28,640 --> 00:03:31,000 you read the text, that's it. It's over there. 80 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:34,080 It is the final, the final chapter in First Corinthians. 81 00:03:34,080 --> 00:03:35,760 I don't know, it felt good. Did it feel good listening? 82 00:03:35,760 --> 00:03:37,360 Yeah. And finishing it out and like, 83 00:03:37,960 --> 00:03:40,520 I'm looking forward to the next series, learning from the Old 84 00:03:40,520 --> 00:03:41,920 Testament. Really excited about that. 85 00:03:41,920 --> 00:03:44,240 So I think there's part of that. But then, yeah, we had a lot to 86 00:03:44,240 --> 00:03:47,000 learn from the last chapter. Absolutely. 87 00:03:47,120 --> 00:03:50,440 I always find it so incredible. Like this section, it's like 88 00:03:50,440 --> 00:03:53,200 Paul is closing the letter and it, like you said, it's sort of 89 00:03:53,200 --> 00:03:54,960 administrative. He's sort of tithing up loose 90 00:03:54,960 --> 00:03:58,200 ends and giving some, some last minute exhortation on his way 91 00:03:58,200 --> 00:03:59,800 out. But it's really interesting. 92 00:03:59,800 --> 00:04:02,720 Like you read those passages and sometimes you're like, OK, you 93 00:04:02,720 --> 00:04:05,160 know, sometimes you just breeze through it. 94 00:04:05,160 --> 00:04:07,760 Like we're done the instruction, we're done the heavy hitting 95 00:04:07,760 --> 00:04:09,680 stuff. And now here's just like, Oh. 96 00:04:09,720 --> 00:04:11,200 Here comes a dozen names I can't. 97 00:04:11,200 --> 00:04:13,760 Find out exactly make sure you say hi to this person, welcome 98 00:04:13,760 --> 00:04:15,920 this person and you're just sort of like, OK, whatever. 99 00:04:15,920 --> 00:04:17,480 This is just the ending of the letter, right? 100 00:04:17,480 --> 00:04:19,800 And you don't really pay all that much attention, but will 101 00:04:19,800 --> 00:04:21,320 you slow? Like you sort of you encouraged 102 00:04:21,320 --> 00:04:23,920 us to slow down and and to really see what was there. 103 00:04:24,160 --> 00:04:26,400 It's amazing how much is still there so. 104 00:04:26,680 --> 00:04:29,920 Yeah. So, yeah, I'm always I'm always 105 00:04:29,920 --> 00:04:34,720 surprised about the names. Like, I don't know, for me, it's 106 00:04:34,720 --> 00:04:37,800 like it does a few things, but like for one, like what? 107 00:04:37,800 --> 00:04:40,280 What is it about these people that makes like makes him 108 00:04:40,280 --> 00:04:42,680 commendable? So that was obviously that was 109 00:04:42,680 --> 00:04:45,040 the last point, Like Paul's commending someone for 110 00:04:45,040 --> 00:04:46,400 something. It's OK to do that. 111 00:04:46,760 --> 00:04:49,160 I think in our culture, sometimes it's hard to give 112 00:04:49,480 --> 00:04:53,400 praise or maybe you feel bad about giving praise, but it's OK 113 00:04:53,400 --> 00:04:55,400 to do it and you should. I think it's right and good to 114 00:04:55,400 --> 00:04:57,720 do that. And based on this text, I think 115 00:04:57,720 --> 00:04:59,320 it's biblical that we should be doing that. 116 00:04:59,760 --> 00:05:02,000 But like, so like, what is it about these people that made 117 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:07,360 them like, so like outstanding that they're mentioned. 118 00:05:07,840 --> 00:05:09,840 It isn't always mentioned. Outstanding people. 119 00:05:09,840 --> 00:05:11,680 He mentions this guy named Dimas in another letter. 120 00:05:11,680 --> 00:05:15,000 He was like somebody to abandon the faith by name, which is kind 121 00:05:15,000 --> 00:05:17,320 of crazy. Like, not even the guy who was 122 00:05:17,320 --> 00:05:20,040 messing around with his mom or stepmom or whatever in this 123 00:05:20,040 --> 00:05:24,160 text, his father's wife gotten mentioned by name, but Dimas 124 00:05:24,160 --> 00:05:24,800 did. Yeah. 125 00:05:24,800 --> 00:05:27,400 So that tells you something, too, about what Paul says in the 126 00:05:27,400 --> 00:05:30,160 very last part about cursed being on someone who doesn't 127 00:05:30,160 --> 00:05:32,320 love the Lord. Yeah, maybe he has someone like 128 00:05:32,320 --> 00:05:34,040 that in mind. Who's who maybe, like, fooled 129 00:05:34,040 --> 00:05:36,080 everybody into thinking that they were Christian and then all 130 00:05:36,080 --> 00:05:37,160 of a sudden turns out they're not. 131 00:05:37,160 --> 00:05:39,240 And so. But the names are always 132 00:05:39,240 --> 00:05:40,160 something that stand out. So like. 133 00:05:40,280 --> 00:05:42,720 But So what did they do? That's commendable. 134 00:05:42,720 --> 00:05:47,160 The other thing is like, this is a real person writing this 135 00:05:47,160 --> 00:05:48,960 letter. That's something else to think 136 00:05:48,960 --> 00:05:51,440 about too. This is very personal side of 137 00:05:51,440 --> 00:05:53,160 the letters. And so like in Romans, he gives 138 00:05:53,160 --> 00:05:56,600 us like the long list of people. He does it here and he does it 139 00:05:56,600 --> 00:05:58,440 in other places too. It's just like, but thinking 140 00:05:58,440 --> 00:06:02,360 about Paul as a person, I think is the is something that makes 141 00:06:02,360 --> 00:06:03,560 it real to me. Yeah. 142 00:06:03,640 --> 00:06:07,320 So, well, and it sets forth an interesting principle that that 143 00:06:07,320 --> 00:06:11,040 we will, we, we do apply in our lives as well, which is 144 00:06:11,320 --> 00:06:15,560 recommending good people and, and then not telling, not 145 00:06:15,560 --> 00:06:16,760 recommending other people, right? 146 00:06:16,760 --> 00:06:19,080 Like if someone comes out to me, I, I've had this happen to me 147 00:06:19,080 --> 00:06:21,600 where someone says, Hey, you know, I listen to, you know, 148 00:06:21,600 --> 00:06:25,200 this preacher and I'm like, I don't know that you should be 149 00:06:25,200 --> 00:06:26,520 listening to that preacher, right? 150 00:06:26,520 --> 00:06:29,040 You know, and, and there's other times where you're like, oh, I, 151 00:06:29,280 --> 00:06:31,640 I listen to this preacher or I went out for a coffee with this 152 00:06:31,640 --> 00:06:32,440 guy. I'm like, yeah, that is 153 00:06:32,440 --> 00:06:35,800 absolutely a guy that you should be like spending time with 154 00:06:35,800 --> 00:06:37,720 because there's such an encouragement and such a 155 00:06:37,720 --> 00:06:39,920 blessing. And I think we as believers need 156 00:06:39,920 --> 00:06:41,680 to be doing that. If if there's somebody that we 157 00:06:41,680 --> 00:06:46,000 know is a a false teacher or a teacher that preaches a false 158 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:48,640 gospel or we know is skeptical, then we ought to be warning 159 00:06:48,640 --> 00:06:51,480 people about them, right? And if there's people that we 160 00:06:51,480 --> 00:06:54,440 absolutely would recommend and we should be recommending them. 161 00:06:54,440 --> 00:06:55,800 Yeah, that's a really good point. 162 00:06:55,800 --> 00:06:57,800 I hadn't thought about this, but like when you were talking about 163 00:06:57,800 --> 00:07:01,200 that, it just made me think maybe we should be recommending 164 00:07:01,200 --> 00:07:03,880 people more than we should be discouraging people to go to for 165 00:07:03,880 --> 00:07:04,680 the false. That's right. 166 00:07:04,680 --> 00:07:07,720 So like, because that's the that's the easiest thing for us 167 00:07:07,720 --> 00:07:10,840 to do is to mark and avoid people and to like bash on them. 168 00:07:10,840 --> 00:07:14,760 But like the the other thing is better. 169 00:07:14,760 --> 00:07:16,480 I think Paul's giving a good example of that. 170 00:07:16,480 --> 00:07:21,400 I mean, he could have bashed any number of those in in Corinth 171 00:07:21,400 --> 00:07:24,080 church or in the surrounding area saying, you know, avoid 172 00:07:24,080 --> 00:07:26,160 those people. But he like picked up on and 173 00:07:26,160 --> 00:07:28,320 says, so maybe, yeah, it's really good to think about. 174 00:07:28,320 --> 00:07:32,000 Like, you're right, though, we should be looking at people to 175 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:34,360 command and also but we should be warning people too. 176 00:07:34,680 --> 00:07:36,920 So, but yeah, I think that's that's an interesting thing. 177 00:07:36,920 --> 00:07:39,440 You just really made me like, now I'm spiraling in thoughts. 178 00:07:39,440 --> 00:07:41,040 Sorry. Yeah. 179 00:07:41,040 --> 00:07:44,600 The title of my sermon was living with conviction or living 180 00:07:44,600 --> 00:07:47,360 convictionally. I don't know if it's the 181 00:07:47,360 --> 00:07:50,120 Canadian keyboard or what, but convictionally is always 182 00:07:50,120 --> 00:07:52,120 misspelled. Like spell check doesn't spell 183 00:07:52,120 --> 00:07:53,960 it. And I look it up and it's like 184 00:07:54,520 --> 00:07:58,440 not a word. I know it's a weird adverb. 185 00:07:58,600 --> 00:08:01,520 So I don't know. I so I had to change it because 186 00:08:01,800 --> 00:08:05,400 the OCD part of me on my paper wouldn't let me keep the red 187 00:08:05,400 --> 00:08:08,920 line and I wasn't ready to put learn this word. 188 00:08:08,920 --> 00:08:11,760 So living with conviction was the name of the sermon. 189 00:08:11,760 --> 00:08:16,480 And yeah, my points, I felt like they, they flowed pretty much 190 00:08:16,480 --> 00:08:20,360 from the text was the first point was planned purposefully. 191 00:08:20,920 --> 00:08:23,440 Paul's talking about it's administrative. 192 00:08:23,440 --> 00:08:26,000 It is what it is, right? It is an administrative portion 193 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:29,200 of the letter, which can be boring, like if you're not 194 00:08:30,240 --> 00:08:32,280 looking for what's there, you know what I mean? 195 00:08:32,280 --> 00:08:34,640 Like you said earlier, it's like you're tempted to read through 196 00:08:34,640 --> 00:08:37,280 it quickly get get done with it. This is an easy chapter today. 197 00:08:37,760 --> 00:08:39,799 If you, if you bump up against like these chapters in your 198 00:08:39,799 --> 00:08:43,200 reading plan, we're going to hit some when we go to Nehemiah. 199 00:08:43,200 --> 00:08:45,440 There's like full sections. I listened to that this morning 200 00:08:45,440 --> 00:08:50,200 as I was getting ready for work. I, I just, it's an hour long on 201 00:08:50,200 --> 00:08:52,240 normal speed. If so, if you can listen to the 202 00:08:52,240 --> 00:08:54,440 whole book in an hour, which is really cool to do it every day, 203 00:08:54,960 --> 00:08:58,200 but like there's like a long list of names. 204 00:08:58,720 --> 00:09:03,120 A few times. And his descendants and Joe and 205 00:09:03,120 --> 00:09:05,480 his descendants and Joseph and his descendants. 206 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:09,120 So those are things that you're tempted just like to skip over 207 00:09:09,400 --> 00:09:11,440 or to read through really quickly and not pay attention. 208 00:09:11,440 --> 00:09:14,480 But I think there's things that are there, and maybe we'll have 209 00:09:14,480 --> 00:09:17,040 to do a lot of homework, you know, maybe that requires us to 210 00:09:17,040 --> 00:09:18,840 think about like, what is it about these people? 211 00:09:19,200 --> 00:09:22,360 Anyway, yeah, because just so people know that we have 212 00:09:22,360 --> 00:09:24,480 mentioned this to some people, I don't do we mentioned it on the 213 00:09:24,480 --> 00:09:27,400 podcast, but we are going into the book of Nehemiah next. 214 00:09:27,400 --> 00:09:29,960 And so that's where that's where we'll be starting on January 5th 215 00:09:29,960 --> 00:09:30,680 and. So I don't know if we've 216 00:09:30,680 --> 00:09:32,680 mentioned it, maybe we did mention it once here. 217 00:09:32,720 --> 00:09:34,600 I know we've talked to several people about it, right. 218 00:09:35,080 --> 00:09:36,840 There's no surprise. We're going to Nehemiah. 219 00:09:38,680 --> 00:09:41,200 I mean, unless, unless, unless we get like a curveball thrown 220 00:09:41,200 --> 00:09:45,440 to us, which would be fine. But right now all all plans are 221 00:09:45,920 --> 00:09:48,880 first sermon in in January would be in Nehemiah 1, right? 222 00:09:49,320 --> 00:09:51,920 But you bring up that that it is a good principle to be thinking 223 00:09:51,920 --> 00:09:54,960 about because you're right, we can look at certain passages and 224 00:09:54,960 --> 00:09:57,400 want to quickly pass them over. But I remember one of the 225 00:09:57,400 --> 00:10:00,760 encouraging things that, like our professors told us, is that 226 00:10:00,760 --> 00:10:03,880 you constantly have to be asking yourself, we we believe that the 227 00:10:04,400 --> 00:10:06,720 scriptures are inspired. Yeah, the whole thing, the 228 00:10:06,720 --> 00:10:09,000 whole. Thing is inspired by God, which 229 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:13,800 means that the Holy Spirit in his wisdom decided that that was 230 00:10:13,800 --> 00:10:15,720 important to include in your Bible. 231 00:10:15,960 --> 00:10:19,160 And so you need to be asking yourself the question why? 232 00:10:19,600 --> 00:10:24,680 Why would the Holy Spirit choose to include this in Scripture and 233 00:10:24,680 --> 00:10:27,120 at least ask yourself the question And genealogy's, you 234 00:10:27,120 --> 00:10:29,480 know, sometimes they're harder. But even in the even in 235 00:10:29,480 --> 00:10:33,520 Matthew's genealogy, like coming up to Christ, like, you know, 236 00:10:33,520 --> 00:10:36,080 maybe you don't know all the people, but you recognize some 237 00:10:36,160 --> 00:10:38,320 things in there like Rahab, right? 238 00:10:38,520 --> 00:10:42,680 And David and you're like, oh man, God works through sinful 239 00:10:42,680 --> 00:10:44,920 people to bring about the Messiah. 240 00:10:44,920 --> 00:10:47,600 And so there's something to learn there about about those 241 00:10:47,600 --> 00:10:50,240 sorts of things. But I think sometimes we can be 242 00:10:50,640 --> 00:10:54,400 maybe fascinated too much with like, well, why didn't God tell 243 00:10:54,400 --> 00:10:56,880 us this? Why didn't God give us more 244 00:10:56,880 --> 00:10:59,480 information about this? That's not the right question to 245 00:10:59,480 --> 00:11:00,920 be asking. The right question to be asking. 246 00:11:00,920 --> 00:11:04,080 Because why did he say this? Why did he say what he did say? 247 00:11:04,720 --> 00:11:08,000 And so we need to be faithful to try to understand and and 248 00:11:08,280 --> 00:11:10,640 consider it important that God did include certain things in 249 00:11:10,640 --> 00:11:13,160 the Bible. Like, like for instance, in 250 00:11:13,160 --> 00:11:17,600 First Corinthians 16, he says, you know, first I want to travel 251 00:11:17,600 --> 00:11:20,280 through Macedonia for I'm going to travel through Macedonia, 252 00:11:20,280 --> 00:11:22,400 which is super weird worthy. I don't know. 253 00:11:22,960 --> 00:11:24,680 I don't know if it's just the English translation doesn't get 254 00:11:24,680 --> 00:11:26,360 it right, but I know in the Greek it's mentioned twice as 255 00:11:26,360 --> 00:11:28,280 well. It's like, those are kind of 256 00:11:28,280 --> 00:11:31,240 weird, like things. It's it shows the personal side 257 00:11:31,240 --> 00:11:33,600 of the letter, right. This is like, like, hey, by the 258 00:11:33,600 --> 00:11:37,600 way, I'm going to Macedonia. Just like he's like, yeah, just 259 00:11:37,600 --> 00:11:39,360 so you know, that's where I'm going. 260 00:11:39,360 --> 00:11:41,440 And so I headed there first. So don't like, freak out. 261 00:11:42,440 --> 00:11:44,400 Relax. That's the kind of the tone I 262 00:11:44,400 --> 00:11:45,560 felt like when I was reading through. 263 00:11:45,560 --> 00:11:47,320 It's like, OK, it's cool, everything's fine. 264 00:11:47,320 --> 00:11:50,000 I'm on my way to you, but I'm going to go to Macedonia because 265 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:55,360 I'm going to Macedonia. So, but yeah, it is what it is. 266 00:11:55,360 --> 00:11:57,520 We got it. But I think like the I've used 267 00:11:57,520 --> 00:12:00,800 the illustration of the glass bottom boat, you just have to 268 00:12:00,800 --> 00:12:04,320 slow down and you don't, you don't know what you're missing 269 00:12:04,400 --> 00:12:07,280 if you just blaze through. And I think that's the, if 270 00:12:07,280 --> 00:12:11,160 anything, if I learned anything in seminary, like that's what 271 00:12:11,160 --> 00:12:14,080 hit the most. Like I learned that I read the 272 00:12:14,080 --> 00:12:17,720 Bible way too fast. I read the Bible like I'm 273 00:12:17,720 --> 00:12:21,040 reading whatever, like something somebody else wrote or 274 00:12:21,040 --> 00:12:23,920 newspaper. And that's just not the way that 275 00:12:23,920 --> 00:12:25,360 we need to be reading Holy Scripture. 276 00:12:25,360 --> 00:12:26,960 And so, yeah, it's a good point to make. 277 00:12:27,640 --> 00:12:31,520 So he's going through, he's planning all these things, but 278 00:12:31,520 --> 00:12:33,200 he's got, he's got purpose in mind. 279 00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:36,400 He's got meaning everything he's doing has a purpose. 280 00:12:36,600 --> 00:12:38,680 And one of them, he's wanting to stay there for a little while 281 00:12:38,680 --> 00:12:41,640 longer in Ephesus because there's this wide door of 282 00:12:41,640 --> 00:12:45,960 effective ministry that's happening, but it's, it's being 283 00:12:45,960 --> 00:12:48,560 vehemently opposed, like to the point of death. 284 00:12:49,760 --> 00:12:54,000 And then I moved on to after that, after I talked to that a 285 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:58,000 while, I moved on to like how Paul brings out this, this these 286 00:12:58,000 --> 00:13:01,320 5 commands. And I at my point was living 287 00:13:01,320 --> 00:13:04,120 principled lives, living under convictions like you. 288 00:13:04,240 --> 00:13:07,480 It's hard to, to like, to be alert, to stand firm in the 289 00:13:07,480 --> 00:13:11,400 faith, to be courageous, to be strong if you don't really know 290 00:13:11,440 --> 00:13:14,120 what it is that you're standing on, right. 291 00:13:14,120 --> 00:13:18,640 And so like be stand firm in the faith is, is the central part of 292 00:13:18,640 --> 00:13:21,320 that. And so like he's, he's giving 5 293 00:13:21,320 --> 00:13:22,960 quick commands. He's saying to do all this in 294 00:13:22,960 --> 00:13:26,160 love, which it really is. This, this like these two 295 00:13:26,160 --> 00:13:28,480 sentences are like a summary of the whole, of the whole letter. 296 00:13:28,760 --> 00:13:35,400 I think your, your last verse of, of 15 is the, the final like 297 00:13:35,400 --> 00:13:37,280 exhortation. In my, in my view, that should 298 00:13:37,280 --> 00:13:38,600 have been where the, the letter ended. 299 00:13:38,600 --> 00:13:41,160 And I think that's where it, I think that's really where his 300 00:13:41,160 --> 00:13:44,240 argument stopped, like, like, you know, because it's broken up 301 00:13:44,240 --> 00:13:47,080 in all these different sections. You can, you can see arguing for 302 00:13:47,080 --> 00:13:50,400 marriage and relationships here. He's arguing for this year and 303 00:13:50,400 --> 00:13:53,720 he's doing this and the end of 15 is where the text stopped. 304 00:13:54,280 --> 00:13:55,560 That's where he stops his argument. 305 00:13:55,560 --> 00:13:57,920 Now he's getting to all this stuff, but he's not like done 306 00:13:57,920 --> 00:13:59,240 teaching. And that's what, that's 307 00:13:59,240 --> 00:14:01,320 something we need to remember about these chapters is like, 308 00:14:01,320 --> 00:14:04,280 there's still stuff to get. And I think we've, we've 309 00:14:04,280 --> 00:14:07,520 hammered on that enough. And then the last point was 310 00:14:07,600 --> 00:14:11,480 about serving others. And then he he gives these list 311 00:14:11,480 --> 00:14:13,760 of people and we've already sort of talked about that a little 312 00:14:13,760 --> 00:14:17,680 bit, but like he served Timothy. He served Timothy very well. 313 00:14:17,680 --> 00:14:20,280 That was something to emulate from Paul's personality. 314 00:14:20,280 --> 00:14:24,360 And Paul's character is that by by commending Timothy to the 315 00:14:24,360 --> 00:14:27,960 Corinthian church, knowing that Apollo's wasn't going to be 316 00:14:27,960 --> 00:14:31,960 there and Timothy was most likely coming before that. 317 00:14:32,440 --> 00:14:36,320 I think that's, that's Paul serving his son in the faith. 318 00:14:36,320 --> 00:14:38,400 Like he's he's as an act of service. 319 00:14:38,400 --> 00:14:40,720 You can trust him just like you trust me, is what he's saying. 320 00:14:41,240 --> 00:14:44,160 He's trustworthy teacher, not just like don't just take care 321 00:14:44,160 --> 00:14:47,160 of him because he's like my, you know, he's my protege. 322 00:14:47,160 --> 00:14:51,320 No, no, no, listen to him. Like he's doing the same work 323 00:14:51,320 --> 00:14:53,360 I'm doing. And so I think that was a good 324 00:14:53,360 --> 00:14:57,680 like just, it's just a good reminder, you know, and then and 325 00:14:57,680 --> 00:15:00,800 then all the different things, like the Stephanus's household 326 00:15:00,800 --> 00:15:03,200 is somebody to to copy. And then all these three guys 327 00:15:03,200 --> 00:15:04,680 were there. They delivered the letter and 328 00:15:05,080 --> 00:15:07,920 and they had done something to Paul, like like in his heart, 329 00:15:07,920 --> 00:15:10,400 right? Like just being there, the 330 00:15:10,400 --> 00:15:11,960 ministry of presence. We've talked about that. 331 00:15:11,960 --> 00:15:13,480 I don't know if we've talked about on this podcast, but you 332 00:15:13,480 --> 00:15:14,440 and I have talked about it a lot. 333 00:15:14,440 --> 00:15:18,800 Sometimes just being there with brothers in Christ or sister, 334 00:15:18,800 --> 00:15:20,600 you know, brothers and sisters, you're just being there spending 335 00:15:20,600 --> 00:15:23,120 time with each other. That's a ministry in itself, you 336 00:15:23,120 --> 00:15:26,040 know, encouraging somebody that you don't have to be on with all 337 00:15:26,040 --> 00:15:28,560 the time. And it seems like that was kind 338 00:15:28,560 --> 00:15:31,640 of what he was, what he was experiencing with these guys. 339 00:15:31,640 --> 00:15:34,760 And so, yeah, that was that was pretty much the sermon. 340 00:15:36,280 --> 00:15:38,640 Well, you just even like the Ministry of presence. 341 00:15:38,640 --> 00:15:42,640 I, I know I, I shared this with you last week. 342 00:15:42,640 --> 00:15:47,800 I think it was I remember talking with somebody, an older, 343 00:15:47,800 --> 00:15:52,480 wiser mentor and I was telling you how it just it really struck 344 00:15:52,480 --> 00:15:58,720 me that the whole time I was sharing he how like focused and 345 00:15:58,720 --> 00:16:03,000 intent and intently he looked at me like in my eyes and I just 346 00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:08,760 said to you, I said I felt so heard by him just looking so 347 00:16:08,760 --> 00:16:09,440 intently at. Me. 348 00:16:09,440 --> 00:16:11,840 I'm looking at you right now. We're we're like looking we're 349 00:16:11,840 --> 00:16:16,280 locked right now. But I just it was amazing to me 350 00:16:16,280 --> 00:16:20,440 like it it. I felt so heard and I just. 351 00:16:20,600 --> 00:16:23,200 I know eye contact is harder for some people than it is for 352 00:16:23,200 --> 00:16:24,600 others. It's getting more and more hard. 353 00:16:24,600 --> 00:16:26,000 There's we can talk about that for. 354 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:27,560 Right. Well, I'm just, I'm, I'm trying 355 00:16:27,560 --> 00:16:30,120 to teach some of my kids are better than others. 356 00:16:30,120 --> 00:16:32,240 And there's one in particular that I constantly have to 357 00:16:32,240 --> 00:16:36,280 remind, look in people's eyes when you talk to them because it 358 00:16:36,280 --> 00:16:37,880 means something. It values something. 359 00:16:37,880 --> 00:16:40,640 And I, I, I want to be like this guy was to me. 360 00:16:40,640 --> 00:16:42,400 And I, I try to do that in conversations. 361 00:16:42,400 --> 00:16:44,040 Maybe people think I'm being creepy or weird. 362 00:16:45,560 --> 00:16:47,480 I I think you're being creepy and weird right now. 363 00:16:47,760 --> 00:16:50,320 No, I'm kidding. Well, so, and again, I, I had AI 364 00:16:50,320 --> 00:16:52,200 had a professor who sort of fleshed us out a little bit. 365 00:16:52,200 --> 00:16:55,680 And he says, if, if you just stared at each other constantly 366 00:16:55,680 --> 00:16:57,840 for like 30 minutes straight, that would start to get weird, 367 00:16:57,840 --> 00:16:59,320 right? Like so naturally in 368 00:16:59,320 --> 00:17:00,720 conversation when you're looking. 369 00:17:00,960 --> 00:17:03,400 Just glance away you. Glance away every, you know, 5 370 00:17:03,400 --> 00:17:06,400 to 10 seconds or whatever. But anyway, my point with that 371 00:17:06,400 --> 00:17:10,319 was being, being a close enough friend to someone that you can 372 00:17:10,319 --> 00:17:13,280 look into their eyes as they're talking into like feel and like 373 00:17:13,280 --> 00:17:16,359 hear them and to show them that you're focused. 374 00:17:17,119 --> 00:17:19,880 And we've talked about this too, where it's like our kids, you 375 00:17:19,880 --> 00:17:22,200 know, like kids when they're little and, you know, sometimes 376 00:17:22,200 --> 00:17:24,640 we're distracted with our phones or whatever and, and they sort 377 00:17:24,640 --> 00:17:27,319 of recognize that you're not listening to me because you're 378 00:17:27,319 --> 00:17:29,760 not looking at me, right? And sometimes, you know, your 379 00:17:29,760 --> 00:17:33,320 kids will grab your face, turn your face towards them and say, 380 00:17:33,320 --> 00:17:37,400 Dad, look in my eyes. And we recognize that human 381 00:17:37,400 --> 00:17:39,280 connection that comes with eye contact. 382 00:17:39,760 --> 00:17:43,280 And so like you said, to be there for people and, and to 383 00:17:43,280 --> 00:17:46,680 hear them and to just support them just to be a listening ear, 384 00:17:46,680 --> 00:17:47,800 right? It doesn't always have to be 385 00:17:47,800 --> 00:17:49,440 like you don't have to have all the answers. 386 00:17:49,520 --> 00:17:52,680 Yeah. And then honestly, you almost 387 00:17:52,680 --> 00:17:54,360 never have to have the answer, right? 388 00:17:55,080 --> 00:17:57,560 Like I was talking to somebody recently about about like this, 389 00:17:57,560 --> 00:17:59,360 and he was talking. He's like, yeah, I was just 390 00:17:59,360 --> 00:18:01,400 sitting with this guy who's been going through some stuff and 391 00:18:01,720 --> 00:18:05,680 like, he laid out the whole argument like he was, he was 392 00:18:05,680 --> 00:18:10,040 like, passionate, like, this is wrong, you know, like, and then 393 00:18:10,040 --> 00:18:14,520 like 30 seconds went by and he just, like, did the whole 394 00:18:14,760 --> 00:18:17,080 devil's advocate. Well, you know, but I need to 395 00:18:17,080 --> 00:18:19,400 really be doing this, yadda, yadda, yadda, because this is 396 00:18:19,400 --> 00:18:22,360 what it's supposed to be doing. Sometimes just being there for 397 00:18:22,360 --> 00:18:25,480 somebody is what matters. Most of the time it is. 398 00:18:26,280 --> 00:18:28,280 Most of the time it is. People will be able to, if 399 00:18:28,280 --> 00:18:30,520 they're a Christian, the Holy Spirit's going to work in them. 400 00:18:31,160 --> 00:18:33,720 And you just being an encouragement by being there is 401 00:18:33,720 --> 00:18:36,320 something like if Job's friends had just kept their mouth shut 402 00:18:36,320 --> 00:18:38,440 the whole time, it probably been way better than what they said, 403 00:18:38,440 --> 00:18:40,960 right? Right, it's very. 404 00:18:40,960 --> 00:18:44,080 True. So, but yeah, the, the sermon, 405 00:18:44,080 --> 00:18:47,120 like I told you earlier in the week that I was a little nervous 406 00:18:47,120 --> 00:18:50,320 about that sermon because it came so fast and I don't know, 407 00:18:50,320 --> 00:18:52,360 maybe there's a like a combination of reasons for it to 408 00:18:52,360 --> 00:18:55,360 come so fast to me and so quick. But I was done writing on 409 00:18:55,360 --> 00:18:57,160 Wednesday, which is it never happens. 410 00:18:57,760 --> 00:18:59,480 You know, we had some scheduling changes too in the week. 411 00:18:59,480 --> 00:19:01,800 So we didn't have our normal Tuesday meeting, which gave me 412 00:19:01,800 --> 00:19:03,920 more time on Tuesday than I would have had. 413 00:19:03,920 --> 00:19:06,360 But like I worked Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday and I'm 414 00:19:06,360 --> 00:19:08,200 like, I'm done. Normally it takes at least till 415 00:19:08,200 --> 00:19:12,000 Thursday, sometimes into Friday. So I was nervous about about it, 416 00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:16,120 but I feel like, I feel like it came together and you know, 417 00:19:16,120 --> 00:19:18,600 hopefully the Lord used it. Hopefully so anyway. 418 00:19:18,800 --> 00:19:21,920 Yeah, absolutely. Well, I know in the first point, 419 00:19:21,920 --> 00:19:24,760 like you're like your first point planned purposefully 420 00:19:25,400 --> 00:19:28,000 again, talking about Paul, talking about what he wants to 421 00:19:28,000 --> 00:19:29,520 do. He, he wants to spend time with 422 00:19:29,520 --> 00:19:31,960 the Corinthians. He wants to, he doesn't just 423 00:19:31,960 --> 00:19:33,520 want to pass through, right? Like, right. 424 00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:36,440 And that's why that's part of the reason for his delay, right? 425 00:19:36,440 --> 00:19:38,760 He's, he knows he has other things to do and he probably 426 00:19:38,760 --> 00:19:41,040 could just go and do a quick visit, but he doesn't want that, 427 00:19:41,040 --> 00:19:42,680 right? He wants to stay there for a 428 00:19:42,680 --> 00:19:44,880 time because he loves them. He wants to pastor them. 429 00:19:44,880 --> 00:19:47,920 He wants to encourage them, and he wants to be encouraged by 430 00:19:47,920 --> 00:19:50,080 them, and he wants to give them time. 431 00:19:50,920 --> 00:19:53,240 But he's also sensing, like right now, there was an open 432 00:19:53,240 --> 00:19:56,520 door for ministry. Even though there was many 433 00:19:56,520 --> 00:19:58,600 adversaries, There was, you know, there was a lot of 434 00:19:58,600 --> 00:19:59,720 conflict. There were people who were 435 00:19:59,720 --> 00:20:02,000 opposing him. I didn't realize how long he'd 436 00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:04,360 spent in Ephesus. You know, it says in the text 2 437 00:20:04,360 --> 00:20:06,840 years, but more it was longer than that because he was 438 00:20:06,840 --> 00:20:10,400 teaching up until that point. Then it said he preached and 439 00:20:10,400 --> 00:20:13,840 taught another two years. Which is to me is like he stayed 440 00:20:13,840 --> 00:20:17,960 in Ephesus a long time, right? Like, he stayed there a long 441 00:20:17,960 --> 00:20:20,280 time and he wasn't in jail there. 442 00:20:20,720 --> 00:20:23,320 Like, you know, maybe he was part of the time, but right, he 443 00:20:23,320 --> 00:20:25,400 stayed, he stayed in Ephesus for a long time. 444 00:20:25,440 --> 00:20:27,160 Well, it was because of that open door, right? 445 00:20:27,160 --> 00:20:28,720 Exactly. And you, you sort of shared part 446 00:20:28,720 --> 00:20:31,640 of that story going back to Acts chapter 19. 447 00:20:32,280 --> 00:20:35,360 And you had said so. So because of the preaching that 448 00:20:35,360 --> 00:20:37,640 Paul was doing, a lot of these people had come to faith and 449 00:20:37,640 --> 00:20:39,440 they burned their books and you had done. 450 00:20:39,840 --> 00:20:42,840 We did them after church. I didn't do the math before, but 451 00:20:42,840 --> 00:20:46,160 like we were, we were talking afterwards and I, I looked it up 452 00:20:46,160 --> 00:20:49,720 and I looked up like the like the total dollar amount, it says 453 00:20:49,720 --> 00:20:53,680 30,000 pieces of silver is what they said it the total value was 454 00:20:53,680 --> 00:20:56,320 right. And so I like, OK, Google, what 455 00:20:56,320 --> 00:20:59,080 is the, you know, the current value, whatever that would have 456 00:20:59,080 --> 00:21:00,920 been in X 19? These people had burned their 457 00:21:00,920 --> 00:21:02,200 books. Burned their books and this is 458 00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:04,600 the total accumulated value would have been $6 million. 459 00:21:05,640 --> 00:21:08,440 Unbelievable. $6 million worth of goods that they just like 460 00:21:08,600 --> 00:21:11,960 they burn and destroyed because of the heart change. 461 00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:15,240 And obviously that's going to cause an uproar in town. 462 00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:20,280 Like that's a huge, like blow to the industry, specifically the 463 00:21:20,280 --> 00:21:23,480 names of silversmith who calls up all the trouble, like start 464 00:21:23,480 --> 00:21:28,000 up the riot and Paul has to retreat and like basically be 465 00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:30,640 arrested as a Roman citizen. So he's protected by Rome. 466 00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:33,920 And, and it's such a crazy story. 467 00:21:33,920 --> 00:21:38,640 I didn't get to that part of the end, but like, there's he's got 468 00:21:38,640 --> 00:21:42,040 to be protected by Rome, which is insane to think about. 469 00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:47,040 But yeah, anyway, it's a good story, $6 million, that's a lot. 470 00:21:47,080 --> 00:21:49,240 Yeah, and the, and the thing that came to my mind is like, 471 00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:51,440 well, what, what in our day would sort of help us to 472 00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:53,800 understand this a bit better. I, I sort of use the greenhouse 473 00:21:53,800 --> 00:21:56,040 industry as an example. I, I don't know that it actually 474 00:21:56,040 --> 00:21:58,280 equates right. But I just thought like, you 475 00:21:58,280 --> 00:22:00,760 know, what if through the preaching of the gospel, you 476 00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:03,040 know, take this analogy just to its full extent. 477 00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:07,520 Through the preaching of the gospel, all these all, everybody 478 00:22:07,520 --> 00:22:10,520 working at a greenhouse all of a sudden came to came to faith and 479 00:22:10,520 --> 00:22:12,080 they were ready to like leave their jobs. 480 00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:14,240 And all the greenhouse industry just sort of failed, right. 481 00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:18,160 Like that the greenhouse industry is, is providing a ton 482 00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:20,000 of, of work for people in our area. 483 00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:23,080 So it's like here is that that's sort of what's going on here 484 00:22:23,080 --> 00:22:25,920 with this false God, these false deities that like they're 485 00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:28,720 providing work and income for these people who are making 486 00:22:28,720 --> 00:22:31,680 idols and making gods. And it causes such an uproar 487 00:22:31,920 --> 00:22:34,360 that it sort of throws the whole city into an uproar. 488 00:22:34,360 --> 00:22:36,040 And Paul recognizes there's an open door here. 489 00:22:36,040 --> 00:22:41,000 Like the Lord is working and are you gonna he, he just was like 490 00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:43,920 I'm gonna continue to work here because of this open door here 491 00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:46,480 even though like you. Said I may die, yeah. 492 00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:48,400 Yeah, he he might have died. You know he would. 493 00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:51,880 His life was in danger and they were ready to kill him because 494 00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:53,320 they were taking away their business. 495 00:22:53,320 --> 00:22:55,520 And the Corinthian church should be like celebrating the fact 496 00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:58,440 that he wants to stay, I think. I think that's kind of where 497 00:22:58,440 --> 00:22:59,920 he's getting at. He's like, look, I've got so 498 00:22:59,920 --> 00:23:01,920 much to work here. That's so good. 499 00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:03,120 There's so much good happening here. 500 00:23:03,120 --> 00:23:04,720 I can't come to you right now. I want to. 501 00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:07,440 Which is interesting because the the Corinthian church was 502 00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:09,200 struggling, right? Like you see from this letter 503 00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:11,880 that it's like, oh man. But Paul is sort of like when 504 00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:15,200 you talk about, we talk about theological triage, but you talk 505 00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:17,760 about like making a hard decision, right? 506 00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:21,040 Do I go like, they this church has the gospel, they have the 507 00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:23,760 truth, they're struggling with it and they need a lot of help. 508 00:23:24,120 --> 00:23:26,400 But here is like people who are living in darkness. 509 00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:29,000 And so what's, what's the greater 'cause, right? 510 00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:30,720 And so he chooses to stay in Ephesus. 511 00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:32,480 He chooses to stay, but he sends someone. 512 00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:34,120 I think that's something to think about, too. 513 00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:36,960 He does choose to stay in Ephesus to work a little longer 514 00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:39,640 up until Pentecost. So he's not staying a long time. 515 00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:42,680 He's he's got plans to leave. But he he said, he says 516 00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:47,240 Timothy's coming, right? Yeah, you know, he says if 517 00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:49,880 Timothy comes, but I I really believe he thought he he felt 518 00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:53,680 like Timothy was on his way and then he says Apollo says he's 519 00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:55,120 coming too. He's just not ready yet. 520 00:23:55,600 --> 00:23:59,160 So just you're going to be OK. Like here's some instruction for 521 00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:01,960 now. The 16 chapter letter. 522 00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:04,680 What I wouldn't be chapters for them, but just be one wrong 1 523 00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:11,560 long run on sentence all in caps Greek is weird, but but yeah, so 524 00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:14,120 here it is. You know, if you guys will do 525 00:24:14,120 --> 00:24:16,960 this in the meantime, you're going to be OK. 526 00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:19,160 You can get to the point where it, when, when we get there, 527 00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:21,200 we'll be able to like really knock some of this stuff out. 528 00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:26,560 But I, I really think he wanted to come to them, but this wide 529 00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:28,880 door was open. He wants to come because he 530 00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:30,160 loves them. And I think that's the, that's 531 00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:33,760 the thing that that we need to remember is like, that was such 532 00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:38,360 a hard letter. Like there's not much like like 533 00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:43,000 positive encouragement, like I don't understand why people like 534 00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:45,000 there's churches back home that just name their church First 535 00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:47,560 Baptist Church or for the current Corinth Baptist Church 536 00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:50,040 or something like that. And you know what I'm like, why 537 00:24:50,360 --> 00:24:54,600 would you do that? Like, you know, it's like, no, 538 00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:56,680 let's not, let's not name our church Corinth because that's 539 00:24:56,680 --> 00:24:58,560 not somebody that we want to emulate, right? 540 00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:02,960 But the thing that Paul wants, he's like he said all these hard 541 00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:04,880 things. He wants to go and demonstrate, 542 00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:07,520 Hey, I really do love you. Like it's hard, man. 543 00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:11,160 We know emails and texts does not. 544 00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:14,520 It doesn't convey love. Like you know what I mean? 545 00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:16,760 Like you tone doesn't come across, not at all. 546 00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:20,520 And so I think he really wants to go. 547 00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:22,400 He just can't right now because there's so much, there's so much 548 00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:23,840 exciting stuff happening where he's at. 549 00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:26,400 He just can't drag himself away just yet. 550 00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:29,760 Right. So and so your point in that 551 00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:32,560 point was, you know, Paul is willing to stay in this really 552 00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:35,680 hard place because of the open door that the Lord had given. 553 00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:37,120 Yeah, there were many adversaries. 554 00:25:37,120 --> 00:25:40,960 There were many who opposed him. And you sort of begin to flip it 555 00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:42,840 and turn it into application for us. 556 00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:46,360 And you ask the question, are you willing to stay in difficult 557 00:25:46,360 --> 00:25:49,440 circumstances because of what the Lord is doing? 558 00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:50,880 Yeah. And I thought that was really 559 00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:52,240 interesting. And I just guess just want to 560 00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:54,920 ask more about that. Like, how could, how could 561 00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:57,320 people apply that more, that principle more to their lives? 562 00:25:57,320 --> 00:26:00,920 Because we tend to think, if I'm doing the Lord's will, then 563 00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:02,520 wouldn't good things come? Yeah. 564 00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:05,120 Would good things happen? Wouldn't you know, wouldn't it 565 00:26:05,120 --> 00:26:09,160 be smooth sailing? The first like example that 566 00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:13,600 comes to mind is like, I don't know, maybe you're in still at 567 00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:16,400 home. You're you're young, in your 568 00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:19,400 late teens, maybe early 20s, but you're still at home. 569 00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:22,920 You've just come to faith and you're living in a household 570 00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:27,080 that's not like it's not Christian, maybe a Christian 571 00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:32,160 name, but not really Christian. You come to faith and then your 572 00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:36,080 sister or brother does too, but they're like 1512. 573 00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:40,240 They can't leave. So I would say the best thing to 574 00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:42,240 do in that case, there's there's a wide door of effective 575 00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:44,400 ministry and, and you're ministering and discipling your 576 00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:46,520 sibling. You should stay. 577 00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:49,480 You should probably think about staying for at least a little 578 00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:52,000 longer. And even though maybe there 579 00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:54,040 might be some opposition, maybe you've gone to a church that's 580 00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:55,760 different than what you're you grew up in. 581 00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:58,080 Now you're going to a different church and you're getting 582 00:26:58,080 --> 00:26:59,720 opposition. I just could. 583 00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:01,160 This is like a real world thing, right? 584 00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:04,760 This happens. Your, your sibling is there. 585 00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:09,360 They're saved now if you leave them there, that's going to be 586 00:27:09,360 --> 00:27:11,240 hard for them. So being there, that's one 587 00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:14,400 thing. Other real world examples, it's 588 00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:16,760 that nothing's popping to my head right now other than 589 00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:18,880 missionaries on the mission field. 590 00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:22,720 That's a that's a very like a lot of times you just think 591 00:27:23,120 --> 00:27:26,320 there's so much good here, but there's like I've heard stories 592 00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:30,880 of like there are people coming to faith like like really like 593 00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:33,080 one after another, sort of like what Paul's talking about. 594 00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:36,520 This is when like in Brazil and like missionaries are going 595 00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:38,640 there and on the way, like witch doctors are like doing 596 00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:41,920 incantations, like to try to keep them from coming. 597 00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:45,720 And like, that's just like strong opposition, like a witch 598 00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:48,480 doctor in a community in like in the, in the, in the Bush in 599 00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:51,600 Brazil is it is they are the person in charge. 600 00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:55,080 They can make life just like horrible for families who live 601 00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:58,880 in that community. And if you know you're but 602 00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:00,600 ministry is there, people are coming to faith. 603 00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:04,040 And what happens if the if the witch doctor gets saved, you 604 00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:08,440 know, that's that's amazing too. So anyway, yeah, I just think 605 00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:12,400 like it's sometimes, sometimes ministry is hard, but there's 606 00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:13,640 good things happening. Yeah. 607 00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:16,240 Like I think we've all experienced that in some at some 608 00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:19,640 level, right, You know? Well, the example like you sort 609 00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:22,040 of mentioned going to a different church, I think I 610 00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:24,640 mean, I've spoken to a number of people in our church who've done 611 00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:26,960 exactly that. You know, when you leave, you 612 00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:29,760 know, a traditional church and you come to this church, a lot 613 00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:33,320 of times there's like families that, you know, if maybe it's 614 00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:35,840 for a season of time, they don't want anything to do with you, 615 00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:37,400 right, right. And that's opposition that 616 00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:41,840 you're facing and you have a conviction, you have a 617 00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:45,000 conviction, you know, to go to a certain church, to grow in your 618 00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:48,200 faith, to, to be fed and to go to a healthy church. 619 00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:50,440 And, and when you make that change, it's like you face a lot 620 00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:53,720 of opposition, right? And I, I think it's just helpful 621 00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:57,560 for people to know that a lot of times when we're doing the right 622 00:28:57,560 --> 00:28:59,840 thing, you may have to suffer for that. 623 00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:02,400 You know, it may not always be, but you may have to suffer for 624 00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:03,680 that. Like you think of, like there's 625 00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:06,360 countless stories in the Old Testament of that, right? 626 00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:08,400 Like Joseph suffers for doing what is right. 627 00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:11,240 And you know, and many other people do, but I think that's an 628 00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:14,880 important principle to know. It doesn't just because you're 629 00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:17,240 following the Lord doesn't mean it's going to be smooth sailing. 630 00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:18,920 It doesn't mean everything's going to go well. 631 00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:21,560 You're going to face hardship, you're going to face criticism. 632 00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:24,600 The Lord wants to stop the good work that's happening, right? 633 00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:26,680 And, and Satan is going to be at work. 634 00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:28,600 He's going to be did I say the Lord is going to? 635 00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:31,600 No, OK. The Lord The Lord is working. 636 00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:34,360 Maybe, I don't know. Satan is trying to stop that. 637 00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:36,520 He's fighting against you. He's fighting against your 638 00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:39,080 family. He's he's active and he's at 639 00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:43,040 work and you know, we can't be haphazard walking around. 640 00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:45,280 We need to know that when there's difficulty, we need to 641 00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:48,760 lean into the Lord. We need to, we need to call on 642 00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:50,880 him and we need to trust that he's going to carry us through. 643 00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:53,240 Would you say you you need to feed your love for the Lord? 644 00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:55,440 You you would like a feed like an auger? 645 00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:58,840 In a BBQ grill. Sorry, I did it myself. 646 00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:03,000 Jonas said it's a very constant second service. 647 00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:06,720 In the second service, Jonas said Some of it a BBQ grill, 648 00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:11,080 which and then you said Joe, I just said BBQ grill, which for 649 00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:14,080 people, maybe people don't know exactly what was going on there, 650 00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:17,480 but you, you coming from. It's just a grill. 651 00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:19,160 It's a grill. You call it a grill. 652 00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:21,320 I would never put the the barbecue on the front. 653 00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:23,440 Maybe there are is a food group, right? 654 00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:26,960 Maybe there are purists here in Canada, but generally speaking, 655 00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:30,120 we call it a BBQ. Yeah, the the physical thing 656 00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:32,360 that cooks your food, we call it a BBQ. 657 00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:34,680 Yeah, you call. You call the propane cylinders 658 00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:36,360 BBQ tanks. I'm like. 659 00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:40,480 Is there a barbecue in there? And so we have this ongoing 660 00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:42,840 debate and I'm always trying to Canadianize you. 661 00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:45,360 It's getting there. I was very amused that you call 662 00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:47,560 it a BBQ grill. Well, the fact that The funny 663 00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:50,320 thing to me was that I that I caught it in my head and I said, 664 00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:53,800 Joe, I just said BBQ grill from the pulpit, which was a little 665 00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:54,280 bit. Weird. 666 00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:56,760 That's funny. That's fine. 667 00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:59,520 I find myself now saying American things. 668 00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:04,040 Yeah, like you say, you did say this in your sermon, and I have. 669 00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:07,640 I have caught myself saying it. You might can. 670 00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:11,800 Oh, do I say that? Yeah, you might can go to the 671 00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:13,960 store and and find some BBQ sauce. 672 00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:16,520 You might can. You might can that's true. 673 00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:18,960 That's that's not just American, that's probably just like 674 00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:23,480 southern redneck. You might can yeah, you might 675 00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:28,440 could say that a wide door for effective ministry doesn't mean 676 00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:31,320 an easy street, right. Like I wrote, I think that was 677 00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:33,280 like I said I'd, and this is true. 678 00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:35,160 Like I don't know why I did that. 679 00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:37,280 Like I don't know why I'm hedging. 680 00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:40,200 This is true. I in the sermon, I said that 681 00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:42,560 this has been something on my mind for the last like 6-7 682 00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:44,840 years. And it has been, it's like this 683 00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:48,240 verse has come up like since before I started seminary. 684 00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:53,920 And and then like I was looking in my notes in Logos, you know, 685 00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:58,160 if you write a note or whatever and Logos Bible software, like 686 00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:00,920 it'll pop up, it'll have like a little note card on what you 687 00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:02,600 highlighted. If you've written a note for it. 688 00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:05,640 And it said that's exactly what it says, like an, an open door 689 00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:07,440 for ministry. It doesn't mean an easy street 690 00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:09,320 because there's going to be people. 691 00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:13,360 Satan wants to oppose us. He doesn't want the Lord's name 692 00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:15,320 to be made great. He doesn't. 693 00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:17,240 And and that's the that's the point there. 694 00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:19,520 I think Paul says I got to fight this a little longer. 695 00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:22,720 Well, and you and yeah, you did say that, like you said, Satan 696 00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:26,360 is trying to ruin your testimony because then when he ruins your 697 00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:29,160 testimony, he ruins the the Lord's witness, right? 698 00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:31,560 He ruins his name. He's sort of dragging the Lord's 699 00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:33,160 name through the dirt. And I thought that was a really 700 00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:34,520 helpful way of thinking through that. 701 00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:36,240 Yeah. And then we don't that that was 702 00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:38,240 part of the second point when I can't when I brought that up 703 00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:40,200 because I was talking about like staying awake. 704 00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:43,280 Like I think like like be alert or be watchful. 705 00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:46,600 I don't know what what version is what, but in in the CSB it's 706 00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:49,920 be alert. It literally means stay awake. 707 00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:53,040 Like be awake. Like just don't go to sleep. 708 00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:56,240 Don't don't like don't rest, don't sit on your hands. 709 00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:58,160 You don't have time for that. We are not in the. 710 00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:00,080 We just don't have the time for that. 711 00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:02,960 Well, that's and that's a really interesting perspective because 712 00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:06,040 you use the you use the story of Joshua in the Old Testament and 713 00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:09,520 the reason Moses encouraged him to be strong and courageous. 714 00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:12,040 The reason even the Lord encourages him in the beginning 715 00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:14,480 of the book of Joshua to be strong and courageous is because 716 00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:17,280 there's a war coming. There's a lot of hard work to 717 00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:19,520 do. Like you can't just sit on your 718 00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:23,960 hands and be exactlyable. And I feel like so much in our 719 00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:28,960 life we're, if we're being honest, like we're, we're being 720 00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:32,520 sort of, I'm trying to, I can't think of the word. 721 00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:35,760 We're being coddled like our our world is teaching us to be 722 00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:38,160 comfortable. We're being brainwashed to think 723 00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:41,400 that life is all about comfort and ease and everything going 724 00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:43,080 well and we're buying into. It. 725 00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:45,480 Yeah, 100%. And we're buying into it, and we 726 00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:47,920 think that everything should just go easy and everything 727 00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:50,280 should be nice. And here Paul is like, be 728 00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:54,960 watchful, be strong, stand firm, like be on guard. 729 00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:58,840 Like you don't have the luxury of just sitting around like the 730 00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:01,640 enemy has a plan, the enemy has a strategy. 731 00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:04,400 And we're just walking around like we've talked about this in 732 00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:06,200 recent podcasts. We're just walking around 733 00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:10,000 aimlessly, like our head in the clouds or in our phone, and 734 00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:12,719 we're just oblivious to what's going on. 735 00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:15,199 And we're not recognizing the spiritual battle that's going 736 00:34:15,199 --> 00:34:16,880 on. Yeah, exactly. 737 00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:22,480 It's that that ESV and ESV almost every other English 738 00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:25,840 translation says act like men, and I think that's that's true 739 00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:30,960 like, but the CSPI don't know why they chose to be courageous 740 00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:35,400 other than it's that fancy word for a word that's only used once 741 00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:36,440 in the New Testament. Right. 742 00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:38,440 I'm not going to say it you want. 743 00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:40,560 To say it so bad. I want to mispronounce it 744 00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:44,360 though, so I'm not going to. There's a word that describes a 745 00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:48,360 word that's only used one time in the New Testament, but it's 746 00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:49,800 used a lot of times in the Old Testament. 747 00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:52,960 That's why I went back to Joshua and Deuteronomy because it 748 00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:55,480 literally means like act like men prepared for battle. 749 00:34:56,159 --> 00:34:58,920 That's what he's getting at. He's like, and that's why I 750 00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:02,400 also, I think I also referenced Ephesians 6 and the standing. 751 00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:06,040 He's not expecting us to fight. That's the thing we got to 752 00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:11,280 remember too. He's be prepared to defend, to 753 00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:14,400 stand firm, and then he's going to do the work. 754 00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:17,040 And that's the same thing in salvation, like when we talk 755 00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:21,240 about giving the gospel, it's not, it's not necessarily an 756 00:35:21,240 --> 00:35:23,360 advancement, right? Like the Lord, the Holy Spirit's 757 00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:25,080 the only one that can change a person's heart. 758 00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:28,120 It requires us to, to do something right. 759 00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:31,480 We, we, we recognize that, that we have to give the gospel 760 00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:33,080 verbally. We have to do that. 761 00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:35,640 That's part of it. And, and when we receive it, we 762 00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:38,840 have to accept it in some way. The Lord, Lord gives us the gift 763 00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:41,400 of that faith. I think that's the way I view 764 00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:43,880 it. Some people view that they make 765 00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:47,240 the choice, which whatever, that's fine, whatever. 766 00:35:47,240 --> 00:35:49,560 We, we would all agree that the Lord has to do something. 767 00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:54,360 And that's the, the idea of like armor is defense, all right? 768 00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:56,240 Like you're putting on armor to defend yourself. 769 00:35:56,240 --> 00:35:58,600 The armor is the word of God so that you can defend. 770 00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:00,800 He's going to do the work he's done. 771 00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:03,200 He fights the battles and like looking back to the story of 772 00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:06,840 Joshua, when they go in, who fights the battles? 773 00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:09,680 Joshua didn't fight the battle of Jericho. 774 00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:12,200 They just marched around the city 7 times, you know, like 775 00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:15,160 what, what is the Lord did that right? 776 00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:16,200 He's the one who fought the battle. 777 00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:19,080 So that's kind of the point. Like stand firm. 778 00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:21,560 Just stand. Don't sit. 779 00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:24,880 It doesn't mean sit. It means like, stand ready. 780 00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:28,440 Be courageous. The Lord's got this all, all 781 00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:30,400 throughout Scripture. When, when, when there's a 782 00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:32,400 battle and the Lord's on your side, he's the one who fights it 783 00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:34,600 and wins. And that's, that's proven out in 784 00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:37,920 Revelation as well. Like in one breath, the whole 785 00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:42,000 fight's over. So anyway, yeah, that was the 786 00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:43,600 five commands in the second point. 787 00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:45,960 It's, I thought I was going to camp there longer than I did, 788 00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:47,480 but I don't think you have to, right? 789 00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:49,200 Paul didn't. It's very self. 790 00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:52,080 Yeah, exactly straightforward. But then doing everything in 791 00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:53,880 love, you know, And that's sort of the tail. 792 00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:55,360 Going back to 13, right? Yeah. 793 00:36:56,360 --> 00:36:59,120 And that's sort of the end of those those 5 commands there in 794 00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:01,840 verse 13. Let all that you do be done in 795 00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:04,040 love. And I liked how you talked about 796 00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:06,600 you. You shared a quote and 797 00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:10,960 essentially it was like, you know, love doesn't mean love 798 00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:13,040 doesn't mean you're, you know, ooey gooey and you let 799 00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:15,760 everything slide, But it also doesn't mean that like, you 800 00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:18,640 know, you're overly hard, right? Love is love is this thing where 801 00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:21,160 we're willing to speak the truth, but we do it with grace. 802 00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:25,080 And I love that balance of of those two things, right? 803 00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:29,440 Like if you have, if you have too much grace, then you you 804 00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:31,560 allow people to like willfully sin, right? 805 00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:34,040 We need, we need truth to be able to call out. 806 00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:37,240 Yeah, you allow them to not not just willfully, but think it's 807 00:37:37,240 --> 00:37:40,800 OK, right. Like, like you not calling out 808 00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:45,600 sin for sin, like what it is, is one of the most unloving things 809 00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:48,240 we can do, right? It's I really believe that. 810 00:37:48,240 --> 00:37:51,040 It's like, no, we need to know what's going on, what we're 811 00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:53,320 doing wrong, that according to Scripture, this is wrong. 812 00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:56,600 Not according to my tradition, not according to what I think I 813 00:37:56,600 --> 00:37:59,320 need to know that it's truly sin, right when I call it out. 814 00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:04,680 But like we were doing them like the we're not, we're not loving 815 00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:06,080 them. It's not just a disservice. 816 00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:07,400 I almost said we're doing a disservice. 817 00:38:07,720 --> 00:38:10,960 No, you're not loving them. Right, right. 818 00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:13,680 Exactly. But but too much, you know, too 819 00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:15,160 much pointing at other people's sin. 820 00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:17,800 It's like then we become the hypocrite in Matthew Chapter 7. 821 00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:20,320 It's like, you know, how do you notice the speck in your 822 00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:22,080 brother's eye and you don't notice the log in your own eye, 823 00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:24,280 right. So we need to be recognizing sin 824 00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:27,800 in our own lives first, dealing with sin in our own lives, and 825 00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:30,240 then helping others, you know, and that there's the thing, the 826 00:38:30,240 --> 00:38:33,760 interesting thing about that passage, Matthew Chapter 7, is 827 00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:38,280 that he doesn't say don't take the speck out of your brother's 828 00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:40,640 eye. He simply says you need to be 829 00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:42,440 dealing with sin first in your own life, right? 830 00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:45,320 And then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your 831 00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:47,400 brother's eye. And we talked about that earlier 832 00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:49,640 in First Corinthians as well. Oh yeah, you're supposed to 833 00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:51,440 judge each other. Yeah, you're supposed to judge 834 00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:53,400 each other. This is a pretty like, it sounds 835 00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:54,880 bad to say it that way, but it is true. 836 00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:56,720 But we are supposed to be judging each other because 837 00:38:56,720 --> 00:38:59,440 Paul's point is like, do you judge those outside the church? 838 00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:03,400 No, you don't. That's not they're not holding 839 00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:05,640 themselves up to the the standard of the word of God. 840 00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:08,480 And even in Matthew Chapter 7, it says the same thing. 841 00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:12,080 Don't give to dogs what is holy and don't throw your pearls 842 00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:13,360 before pigs. And I think. 843 00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:15,280 Swine. Swine. 844 00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:18,400 And I think in the context, I think, I think what Jesus is 845 00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:21,200 saying is you are to be judging each other. 846 00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:22,960 You're to be dealing with sin in your own life. 847 00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:26,200 You're to be dealing with sin in each other's lives, but you may 848 00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:29,640 not do that. You may not do that to like 849 00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:31,160 people who are outside the faith. 850 00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:33,040 And I, I don't think what he's saying is that you should never 851 00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:35,680 share the gospel and show people that their their need for a 852 00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:38,760 safety because of their sin. But I think what he's saying is 853 00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:43,160 you going up to, to doing that to people who don't follow 854 00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:44,920 Christ, who don't believe in the word of God. 855 00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:46,560 They're just going to reject you. 856 00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:48,680 You know, they're going to, they're going to trample it. 857 00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:51,160 They don't consider the value and then they're going to turn 858 00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:53,280 to attack you. It's like when you face people 859 00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:57,680 who are hostile to the gospel, hostile to the Bible there, 860 00:39:57,680 --> 00:40:00,440 there's there's no wisdom in just continuing to shove it in 861 00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:03,480 their face when they don't appreciate that's right and they 862 00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:06,440 don't value it. And so these are family matters. 863 00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:08,200 These are things that we are supposed to be dealing with in 864 00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:10,400 the church. And you're right, it is unloving 865 00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:14,640 to to just to not tell someone that they're sinning. 866 00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:16,560 We need to be doing that. Yeah. 867 00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:19,240 That that there is like a balance. 868 00:40:19,240 --> 00:40:22,120 Exactly what you said, though, like recognizing, and I think 869 00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:24,280 that might be that might be part of it is like, you recognize, 870 00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:29,000 Hey, I'm not perfect. I deal with, I deal with this or 871 00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:31,080 I deal with this thing or I deal with something else that's 872 00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:34,280 equally as bad in my own life. You know, being honest and being 873 00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:36,360 vulnerable. That is what's missing in our 874 00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:39,160 culture, man. We are, we are so afraid. 875 00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:42,640 So we're terrified of being vulnerable with each other. 876 00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:47,160 I know I am like I'm terrified of it, right? 877 00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:51,920 Be exposed as a whatever, a liar, whatever, you know, like a 878 00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:55,080 hypocrite. But we have to be, in order for 879 00:40:55,080 --> 00:40:57,240 us to be genuine with each other, we have to be, we have to 880 00:40:57,240 --> 00:40:59,000 be able to be vulnerable with each other. 881 00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:01,560 And that comes down to the serving Part 2 at the end. 882 00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:02,720 Like we need to serve each other. 883 00:41:02,720 --> 00:41:05,120 The only way to serve each other is like to be willing to do the 884 00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:09,160 lowest job, like be willing to do the lowest thing. 885 00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:11,640 So, yeah. So that wrapped it up, man. 886 00:41:11,840 --> 00:41:15,680 Yeah. It's so it was, it was a long 887 00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:17,320 term and I think I don't know how long it is because. 888 00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:19,120 I don't either. We haven't uploaded it yet. 889 00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:20,760 It was good. It was good. 890 00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:23,000 And I, and I think I was glad that you ended on that, that 891 00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:23,880 serving note. Right. 892 00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:27,600 Like, I think, I think that's an important principle. 893 00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:30,200 You know, like we ought to be willing to serve others. 894 00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:33,240 Devote devote your lives to serve others. 895 00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:35,840 Yeah. Because I think so often it it 896 00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:38,720 because we're self-serving, because we're always looking out 897 00:41:38,720 --> 00:41:41,240 for our own interests. We need to be willing to 898 00:41:41,240 --> 00:41:45,600 surrender for others and I, I think Jesus, I mean, we're 899 00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:47,640 finishing the year in our Bible reading plan in the book of 900 00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:49,560 Matthew and Jesus says that very thing, right. 901 00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:53,240 If anyone wants to be first among you, if anybody wants to 902 00:41:53,240 --> 00:41:56,520 be, you know your serve to be your leader, then you ought to 903 00:41:56,520 --> 00:41:58,720 be servant, right? You ought to be willing to serve 904 00:41:58,720 --> 00:42:01,800 one another. And I think that's just such a 905 00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:05,720 wonderfully helpful principle. And I think so many times we're 906 00:42:06,240 --> 00:42:08,800 selfish and we're looking for ways to be served. 907 00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:11,720 And, and this is what other people should be doing for me. 908 00:42:11,720 --> 00:42:14,920 And, you know, coming to church with this perspective of like, 909 00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:19,360 I'm a consumer and I'm, I'm, I'm maybe judging the entertainment 910 00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:21,280 value or whatever. And it's like, that's not why we 911 00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:24,160 come to church. We don't come to, I was saying 912 00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:26,040 this to some of the other day. I'm like, nobody's coming to 913 00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:30,160 church because it's like, oh, those musicians are so good. 914 00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:33,120 It's like, no, we're not, we're not professionals. 915 00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:34,560 We, we're trying to do a good job. 916 00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:36,160 We're trying to strive for excellence. 917 00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:40,160 We're, we're trying to do the best that we can, but we come 918 00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:43,880 together because it's, it's so powerful and it's so encouraging 919 00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:46,920 to worship together, right? And to lift our voices to the 920 00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:48,320 Lord together. That's right. 921 00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:51,320 That's why we come together. And, you know, don't come to be 922 00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:53,280 served. Don't come to be a taker, but 923 00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:56,200 come to be a giver. Find ways to serve other people. 924 00:42:56,320 --> 00:42:58,200 I would say that's the same thing with like the teaching 925 00:42:58,200 --> 00:43:01,120 too. Like the sermons are not like 926 00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:02,480 our goal is not to entertain you. 927 00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:04,920 It's not a Ted talk. I'm honestly, my goal is not 928 00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:06,800 even to like make you feel good about yourself, right? 929 00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:11,080 Like I hope you're leave encouraged, right? 930 00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:13,080 But maybe that comes back to the last thing. 931 00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:17,440 Part of the letter is like the goal in the goal in preaching is 932 00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:21,840 not, is not to make you feel better about yourself. 933 00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:25,720 The goal is, is to strengthen you and like you talk about 934 00:43:25,720 --> 00:43:28,400 working out a lot like in, in the disciplines that it takes to 935 00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:30,520 work out like when you leave a workout, sometimes you don't 936 00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:33,960 feel very good, right, right. But you get stronger because 937 00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:37,480 you've, you've, your muscles have gone through some torture 938 00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:41,160 almost at times, right? Like you get strong, you, you 939 00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:44,720 come out of it stronger the next day, two days later, you're 940 00:43:44,720 --> 00:43:47,720 stronger. Our sermons, like I've been to a 941 00:43:47,720 --> 00:43:50,920 lot of different churches and heard a lot of sermons and like, 942 00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:53,080 sometimes it's just like, oh, it's a Ted Talk, you know, it's 943 00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:55,760 just like, oh, here's something interesting about the Bible. 944 00:43:57,400 --> 00:43:59,600 Or, or maybe it's just like, it's just, I don't want to 945 00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:01,000 ruffle any feathers. So I'm just going to kind of 946 00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:03,840 just kind of go and it's just going to be like just a warm 947 00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:06,360 soup, right? Chicken soup for the soul. 948 00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:08,560 And that's not good either, right? 949 00:44:09,240 --> 00:44:11,960 Like I, I that's, I think the goal of like all our preaching 950 00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:17,200 should be just like exhortation. Yeah, here like exposing sin for 951 00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:18,800 what it is. It as long as it's in the text, 952 00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:22,440 go for it. And then just like stand on the 953 00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:23,840 truth. And I think that's what Paul's 954 00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:27,400 getting at the very end. He cannot fathom the fact that 955 00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:30,880 there is a person a sing any any person in the church who doesn't 956 00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:34,040 love the Lord. How, why, why would you do it? 957 00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:39,880 Why would you subject yourself to to like being beat up every 958 00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:42,360 Sunday, right? That's when I just got out of my 959 00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:44,000 mouth. It's like, I mean, we're not 960 00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:46,480 beating people up and it's not all fire and brimstone, right. 961 00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:51,000 But but like, like being exposed to this, like, what's the point? 962 00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:51,560 Why? Why? 963 00:44:51,560 --> 00:44:53,320 If you don't believe it, if you're not, if you don't love 964 00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:56,840 the Lord then. And he's just so he cannot, they 965 00:44:56,840 --> 00:44:58,600 can't say it calmly. That's what that quote was. 966 00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:02,800 That Leon Morris quote is just like he cannot understand how 967 00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:04,960 anybody. And so just as a curse be on 968 00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:07,520 you, like you're basically living a lie. 969 00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:10,480 Yeah. And so, yeah, it's hard. 970 00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:16,200 But the my plea there at the end was come to faith, like, you 971 00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:18,600 don't have to have it all figured out, like. 972 00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:20,200 Right. Like, like I think we were 973 00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:21,960 talking. I don't remember who I was 974 00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:24,280 talking to yesterday. Oh, yeah. 975 00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:26,720 It was you and your wife. We're talking about salvation. 976 00:45:26,720 --> 00:45:31,640 Like, like coming to faith early in life where, yeah, I had 977 00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:34,880 faith, but it's different now. Like, as I'm growing, my faith 978 00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:37,080 is stronger now. I understand it more clearly. 979 00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:41,840 Like when you get saved, I think about the cross. 980 00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:45,320 The cross, we always think like the cross is something that's 981 00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:48,400 here, I'm holding my hand up in front of me and like that and 982 00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:51,440 then you walk away from it like this is my salvation event. 983 00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:54,720 And like a lot of people think, OK, there's salvation back there 984 00:45:55,120 --> 00:45:56,680 and now I'm walking towards heaven. 985 00:45:57,880 --> 00:46:00,600 But I think we got it wrong. I think like I think the cross 986 00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:03,560 is out front and we see it very dimly. 987 00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:07,200 Like like if I were to take my glasses off and it'd be super 988 00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:10,560 blurry and I see it, I understand it, right? 989 00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:13,240 I understand what it means. It means that Christ died for my 990 00:46:13,240 --> 00:46:18,760 sins, but as I'm, as I'm walking ever closer with him, I'm 991 00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:22,280 walking closer and closer to I understand more and more what 992 00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:25,160 his sacrifice means and the cross becomes more and more 993 00:46:25,160 --> 00:46:27,720 clear. And like, I think that's the, 994 00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:31,680 the picture is like that. No, conversion is the starting 995 00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:33,440 point. The cross isn't the starting 996 00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:34,760 point. The cross is what you're always 997 00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:37,480 have in front of you. It is what we need to be looking 998 00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:38,680 at. We need to always be looking at 999 00:46:38,680 --> 00:46:42,920 what Christ did for us, how he saved us, how my sin is like 1000 00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:48,320 just detestable to him and and really just like understanding 1001 00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:50,440 it more and more draws us closer and closer to him. 1002 00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:51,880 So like, you don't have to have it all figured out. 1003 00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:55,840 That's the goal. Like the point you, you do have 1004 00:46:55,840 --> 00:46:57,160 to have some faith. Yeah. 1005 00:46:57,240 --> 00:47:01,560 And faith isn't easy, right? Like to not believe honestly is 1006 00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:04,320 it requires more faith, but faith isn't easy. 1007 00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:08,160 And so we just need to like, that's my encouragement for 1008 00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:10,680 those who are sitting out there, those who are listening right 1009 00:47:10,680 --> 00:47:15,640 now, believe, like ask the Holy Spirit to open your eyes and so 1010 00:47:15,640 --> 00:47:18,880 that you can believe, just need a shred of faith and then Lord 1011 00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:21,120 can do something like a great work. 1012 00:47:21,720 --> 00:47:23,080 Yeah. And I think that's such a good 1013 00:47:23,080 --> 00:47:24,880 encouragement. You know, if anybody, you know, 1014 00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:26,680 we are running a baptism class soon. 1015 00:47:26,680 --> 00:47:29,840 And yeah, and maybe you feel like you do believe, but maybe 1016 00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:32,360 you think it's too simple or maybe you think that, you know, 1017 00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:34,840 you maybe you don't understand it quite the way you should. 1018 00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:38,320 What you're it the the faith, our Christian faith is a 1019 00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:42,400 lifetime right of our eyes being opened. 1020 00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:45,600 You know, I, I remember hearing a a pastor who's been preaching 1021 00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:50,720 the Bible for 50 years say every time I open the Bible and read a 1022 00:47:50,720 --> 00:47:53,400 passage that I've read countless times, I learned something I 1023 00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:55,280 didn't learn before. And that's the work of the Holy 1024 00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:58,360 Spirit. It is slowly unveiling himself 1025 00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:00,440 to you. You're never going to get it 1026 00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:03,200 all. And so if you have faith, like 1027 00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:07,120 take a step, you know, take a step of faith to put your faith 1028 00:48:07,120 --> 00:48:08,720 in the Lord. Take a step, right? 1029 00:48:08,720 --> 00:48:11,080 And if you have that faith and you believe that what Christ has 1030 00:48:11,080 --> 00:48:14,640 done for you on the cross, then tell tell someone about it and 1031 00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:16,800 start to look at the fruit of your life over the next few 1032 00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:20,040 months and pursue the Lord. And you know, if there's fruit 1033 00:48:20,040 --> 00:48:22,280 in your life and you believe that you're a Christian, then 1034 00:48:22,560 --> 00:48:24,960 get baptized and take that step. It's the starting. 1035 00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:27,600 Point, right, It's something like I think we talked about 1036 00:48:27,600 --> 00:48:30,320 this before too, is like they think they have to like you have 1037 00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:32,560 to get they have to be perfect or they have to get clean, 1038 00:48:32,560 --> 00:48:33,680 right? They have to get clean before 1039 00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:37,520 they can be baptized. No, the baptism is like telling 1040 00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:39,920 everybody that you just took a bath, right? 1041 00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:40,880 You're. Clean, you're right. 1042 00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:44,200 You're a Christian, you don't have to clean yourself up. 1043 00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:46,840 The Lord's going to do that cleaning, and it's going to take 1044 00:48:46,840 --> 00:48:48,480 a lifetime to get all the sin off of you. 1045 00:48:48,680 --> 00:48:50,760 Well, and that's a good reminder for believers too, right? 1046 00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:54,040 Like you talk about, you know, your starting point, but you're 1047 00:48:54,040 --> 00:48:55,560 always looking forward to the cross. 1048 00:48:55,800 --> 00:48:57,760 We never outgrow our need for the gospel. 1049 00:48:58,120 --> 00:49:01,880 So for the believers out there, don't read your Bible and pray 1050 00:49:01,880 --> 00:49:04,160 because they're checkmarks on your To Do List. 1051 00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:07,720 They're pointing you to a God who wants to be known. 1052 00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:10,840 Like I had someone met for coffee with somebody today and 1053 00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:12,760 they were talking about, you know, in the book of James where 1054 00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:15,640 it's like draw near to God and he will draw near to you. 1055 00:49:16,320 --> 00:49:19,000 And I just remembered that like when we read and when we pray 1056 00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:21,880 and when we do the spiritual disciplines, it's not about the 1057 00:49:21,880 --> 00:49:23,600 disciplines in of in of themselves. 1058 00:49:23,600 --> 00:49:27,320 It's who they're pointing us to. It's about a relationship with a 1059 00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:31,840 living God. And so draw near to that God and 1060 00:49:31,840 --> 00:49:34,480 he will draw near to you and, and draw near to the person and 1061 00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:38,360 the work of Christ and seek to, to know God, not just to know 1062 00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:41,720 more about the Bible, not just to have knowledge, but like you 1063 00:49:41,720 --> 00:49:45,160 said, constantly coming to Christ, constantly be reminded 1064 00:49:45,160 --> 00:49:48,320 that I need his forgiveness. I need, you know, the 1065 00:49:48,320 --> 00:49:51,760 application of his blood on the his sacrifice on the cross for 1066 00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:54,880 me so that I can walk in holiness and righteousness. 1067 00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:58,080 But we're never going to be good enough but pursue the 1068 00:49:58,080 --> 00:50:02,120 disciplines to pursue God, not just discipline and of itself. 1069 00:50:02,120 --> 00:50:04,800 Yeah, exactly. I mean, don't, it's not less 1070 00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:06,840 than discipline, right? You need to have the discipline. 1071 00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:11,120 But yeah, it is because we, we are so privileged. 1072 00:50:11,120 --> 00:50:13,600 We get to like to experience God. 1073 00:50:14,520 --> 00:50:16,680 We have the opportunity to do it every single day. 1074 00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:20,120 Yeah. Whether we're free to do it or 1075 00:50:20,120 --> 00:50:21,960 not, we can do it. Yeah, it's great. 1076 00:50:22,640 --> 00:50:23,760 All right, I got one question for you. 1077 00:50:23,960 --> 00:50:26,120 Oh. Yeah, all right. 1078 00:50:26,120 --> 00:50:27,400 Think back. Just putting you on the spot. 1079 00:50:28,920 --> 00:50:31,320 We've been in First Corinthians since like forever. 1080 00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:35,320 We're done now. What was your, what's your 1081 00:50:35,320 --> 00:50:40,240 favorite section or chapter? Maybe you preached or you heard 1082 00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:42,200 preached or whatever. What was your favorite? 1083 00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:45,200 My favorite that is really putting me. 1084 00:50:45,200 --> 00:50:46,640 On the IT was a divorce and remarriage, right? 1085 00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:49,320 That was Oh my goodness, no, that was hard. 1086 00:50:49,320 --> 00:50:53,560 That was a hard, that was a really hard passage, man. 1087 00:50:53,600 --> 00:50:55,920 I don't know. That's a really good question. 1088 00:50:56,400 --> 00:50:58,280 Feel like they were all really, really good. 1089 00:50:58,440 --> 00:51:00,760 Like Paul's emphasis on Christ. I mean, at the beginning of the 1090 00:51:00,760 --> 00:51:05,160 letter, you know, Paul emphasizing like you shouldn't 1091 00:51:05,160 --> 00:51:07,120 be looking to like one leader over the other. 1092 00:51:07,120 --> 00:51:09,520 Like, oh, I follow Paul. I follow Apollos. 1093 00:51:09,520 --> 00:51:10,680 I follow how? How? 1094 00:51:10,960 --> 00:51:14,480 How we're so prone to that? Yeah, and it's it's so easy to 1095 00:51:14,480 --> 00:51:17,640 to pick sides and and it's not about any of the leaders. 1096 00:51:17,640 --> 00:51:19,760 It's about Christ. You know, I that, that was, that 1097 00:51:19,760 --> 00:51:21,320 really struck me at the beginning of the letter. 1098 00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:25,240 And then even Paul's emphasis on, you know, like I preach 1099 00:51:25,240 --> 00:51:27,600 Christ crucified. It's not about like a big fancy 1100 00:51:27,600 --> 00:51:29,080 thing. It's like I have a very simple 1101 00:51:29,080 --> 00:51:31,320 message and I tell it everywhere I go. 1102 00:51:32,040 --> 00:51:36,720 And so I think his resolve, like his conviction to, to live and 1103 00:51:36,720 --> 00:51:39,000 do ministry a specific way. I think at the beginning of the 1104 00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:41,800 letter, probably, I mean the beginning of the letter, man. 1105 00:51:41,800 --> 00:51:43,920 I mean we could go, we could go back and preach the 1st 4 1106 00:51:43,920 --> 00:51:47,240 chapters and I would love. That honestly felt like looking 1107 00:51:47,240 --> 00:51:50,200 back we may not have given the 1st 4 chapters the justice for. 1108 00:51:50,200 --> 00:51:51,080 Real. Yeah, I. 1109 00:51:51,520 --> 00:51:53,120 Agree. Oh, they were really good. 1110 00:51:53,520 --> 00:51:56,400 I'm trying to think I feed the, the feed your love for the Lord 1111 00:51:56,400 --> 00:52:01,960 sermon probably is one that has has impacted me more than any 1112 00:52:01,960 --> 00:52:05,440 other sermon in the series and any other sermon in a long time. 1113 00:52:05,800 --> 00:52:09,840 Because the, that first of all, the illustration was like, I 1114 00:52:09,880 --> 00:52:13,000 mean, it's really good. Like you're feeding your love 1115 00:52:13,000 --> 00:52:15,160 for the Lord. And then like in my example, 1116 00:52:15,160 --> 00:52:17,360 like with my smoker, he had jammed, right? 1117 00:52:17,920 --> 00:52:21,840 Like it jammed up with bad stuff, like I was feeding it bad 1118 00:52:21,840 --> 00:52:25,640 pellets and it caused this jam that now and now my smoker has 1119 00:52:25,640 --> 00:52:29,040 never been right since. And it's sad to me, but the the 1120 00:52:29,080 --> 00:52:32,920 illustration clicked with me. It's like, yeah, feed your love 1121 00:52:33,120 --> 00:52:36,320 for the Lord with godly things Like what we're just talking 1122 00:52:36,320 --> 00:52:38,040 about those disciplines and those things that you do, the 1123 00:52:38,040 --> 00:52:42,280 prayer, fasting, Bible reading, all the different disciplines, 1124 00:52:42,280 --> 00:52:44,200 like talking about the Lord with others. 1125 00:52:44,320 --> 00:52:48,200 Yeah, that to me that I think that was probably my favorite 1126 00:52:48,960 --> 00:52:51,080 portion of the preaching for sure. 1127 00:52:51,160 --> 00:52:54,360 Yeah, Yeah. It was like it challenged all of 1128 00:52:54,360 --> 00:52:56,080 us, right. I remember as pastors, we talked 1129 00:52:56,080 --> 00:52:58,320 about it many times over the course of the last few months 1130 00:52:58,360 --> 00:53:01,840 and just, man, it was a it's a challenging book, you know? 1131 00:53:01,880 --> 00:53:03,200 Yeah. So you at the beginning, you 1132 00:53:03,200 --> 00:53:04,440 pick it and you're like, this is going to be great. 1133 00:53:04,440 --> 00:53:06,080 And you started getting into it and you're like, what did we? 1134 00:53:06,080 --> 00:53:09,760 Do you picked it? I'll say I'll say you came up to 1135 00:53:09,760 --> 00:53:13,440 us in a pastor's meeting one time. 1136 00:53:13,600 --> 00:53:17,200 We were in the middle of reading First Corinthians in the Bible 1137 00:53:17,200 --> 00:53:20,640 reading plan and you were really fired up about First Corinthians 1138 00:53:21,240 --> 00:53:23,440 and you're like, let's just let's just read it. 1139 00:53:24,280 --> 00:53:25,800 Let's let's, let's, let's do this one. 1140 00:53:25,800 --> 00:53:27,760 Let's do first Corinthians, let's do first Corinthians. 1141 00:53:27,760 --> 00:53:29,520 We're all like, OK, that sounds good, That sounds good. 1142 00:53:29,840 --> 00:53:31,880 And I'm like, it's going to like take, you're going to have to 1143 00:53:31,880 --> 00:53:34,000 put like First Corinthians Chapter 7 up on a whiteboard so 1144 00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:38,720 we can like draw all these like weird lines from this part, this 1145 00:53:38,720 --> 00:53:40,800 argument here, like in order to understand it. 1146 00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:42,160 And that was the hardest sermon for you. 1147 00:53:44,200 --> 00:53:46,840 But yeah, anyway, I mean, I had the hard, I think I had hard 1148 00:53:46,840 --> 00:53:49,880 text too, like the sexual immorality ones. 1149 00:53:49,880 --> 00:53:51,280 The the the middle part was hard. 1150 00:53:51,360 --> 00:53:54,840 Chapter 6, Chapter 7, Those are some hard, some hard chapters. 1151 00:53:54,840 --> 00:53:57,800 Chapter 8 was hard. Yeah, Jake had hard ones too. 1152 00:53:57,800 --> 00:53:59,200 Oh. Jake had Jake had the one with 1153 00:53:59,200 --> 00:54:00,600 head coverings, didn't he? That was hard. 1154 00:54:00,600 --> 00:54:02,280 No, that was, that was me too, Yeah. 1155 00:54:02,360 --> 00:54:04,200 I forgot about that. But yeah, it was, I mean, 1156 00:54:04,200 --> 00:54:07,640 there's a lot of hard stuff, but I think that's a really good 1157 00:54:07,640 --> 00:54:09,480 thing about preaching through books of the Bible. 1158 00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:13,080 It forces you to hit on things that you know, you might not 1159 00:54:13,080 --> 00:54:15,720 always, you might not choose passages like that to preach on, 1160 00:54:15,720 --> 00:54:18,240 but when you go through books of the Bible, it forces you to to 1161 00:54:18,240 --> 00:54:21,480 talk about hard things at times. And all of us are committed to 1162 00:54:21,520 --> 00:54:24,160 to saying hard things if we need to, right, because they're in 1163 00:54:24,160 --> 00:54:26,240 the Bible again, we're going back full circle to like the 1164 00:54:26,240 --> 00:54:27,520 beginning of our conversation, right? 1165 00:54:27,520 --> 00:54:31,440 The the Lord and his wisdom has chosen and his sovereignty and 1166 00:54:31,440 --> 00:54:34,720 his wisdom has chosen to include those things in Scripture. 1167 00:54:35,040 --> 00:54:37,600 And so we want to be faithful to teach on them when we can. 1168 00:54:37,600 --> 00:54:41,000 And so we, we're falling, we, we are going to get things wrong at 1169 00:54:41,000 --> 00:54:42,120 times. We're not always going to be 1170 00:54:42,120 --> 00:54:44,640 right, but our commitment is to to do the best that we can with 1171 00:54:44,640 --> 00:54:47,440 the knowledge and the wisdom that we have to be faithful to 1172 00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:50,680 the text as as much as we can. I think if like if I had to like 1173 00:54:50,680 --> 00:54:55,320 describe us and our desire, our conviction, if you will, our 1174 00:54:55,320 --> 00:54:57,320 conviction is to preach the word of God. 1175 00:54:58,000 --> 00:55:01,280 And that would be with song, that would be with Bible 1176 00:55:01,280 --> 00:55:03,560 studies, that would be with sermons. 1177 00:55:03,960 --> 00:55:06,800 Any other thing we do our our conviction is to put the word of 1178 00:55:06,800 --> 00:55:11,760 God in front of you so that you can learn from it, but 1179 00:55:11,760 --> 00:55:14,360 ultimately the so that you can know God. 1180 00:55:14,520 --> 00:55:16,240 Yeah, I mean that that would be our conviction. 1181 00:55:16,240 --> 00:55:18,600 I think absolutely. If I had to like summarize it in 1182 00:55:18,600 --> 00:55:22,160 one like our conviction is to to make the word of God the primary 1183 00:55:22,160 --> 00:55:24,200 thing because we ultimately get to know him through it. 1184 00:55:24,440 --> 00:55:29,240 Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, so that's my final word on 1185 00:55:29,240 --> 00:55:30,840 1st Corinthians. That's your final word. 1186 00:55:31,840 --> 00:55:34,160 I don't have anything I like today other than I'll do is have 1187 00:55:34,160 --> 00:55:37,960 something we're running. We were overtime, but it's fine. 1188 00:55:39,600 --> 00:55:44,480 You mentioned how comfortable we are, like how like prone and how 1189 00:55:44,480 --> 00:55:47,480 like basically we're lazy. Like we've been, we've bought 1190 00:55:47,480 --> 00:55:50,080 into this like idea of comfort. We need to make ourselves 1191 00:55:50,080 --> 00:55:51,800 comfortable all the time. There's a book called the 1192 00:55:51,800 --> 00:55:54,040 comfort crisis. It is not a Christian book. 1193 00:55:54,320 --> 00:55:58,200 I'm just trying to preface that like there's but the principles 1194 00:55:58,200 --> 00:56:00,240 in that are really good. It's it's time to break us out 1195 00:56:00,240 --> 00:56:02,760 of our comfort zones. And like I've been on this like 1196 00:56:02,760 --> 00:56:07,040 digital detox type of idea, thinking about like how can I 1197 00:56:07,040 --> 00:56:09,640 minimalize digital things in my life? 1198 00:56:09,640 --> 00:56:13,040 Like looking at my phone screen noticed Ezra this morning as I 1199 00:56:13,040 --> 00:56:16,720 was working. He was talking to me, but he was 1200 00:56:16,720 --> 00:56:20,240 not looking at me. He was sitting at the at the bar 1201 00:56:20,240 --> 00:56:23,360 and my little offices in another room in the kitchen. 1202 00:56:23,440 --> 00:56:25,760 He's realized now that he can talk to me and not look at me. 1203 00:56:26,680 --> 00:56:28,760 And that's I'm teaching how he's 2 years old man. 1204 00:56:30,120 --> 00:56:31,560 I'm staring at a screen for work. 1205 00:56:31,560 --> 00:56:33,560 Obviously I'm doing something, but at the same time, like I 1206 00:56:33,560 --> 00:56:36,640 need to like break when he wants my attention, give him some 1207 00:56:36,640 --> 00:56:38,920 attention so that he knows I'm involved. 1208 00:56:39,160 --> 00:56:42,080 But so, yeah, the comfort crisis, it's a really 1209 00:56:42,080 --> 00:56:45,120 interesting book. It's sort of made me think I 1210 00:56:45,120 --> 00:56:47,080 need to probably like ride my bike to work. 1211 00:56:47,880 --> 00:56:49,400 He doesn't say that. I'm just trying to think how can 1212 00:56:49,400 --> 00:56:51,160 I make myself uncomfortable, right? 1213 00:56:51,280 --> 00:56:54,600 At least for a part of a time, just to like to like to feel 1214 00:56:54,600 --> 00:56:57,240 alive, you know what I mean? Because like we're, I don't, I 1215 00:56:57,240 --> 00:56:58,760 don't have to be comfortable all the time, right? 1216 00:56:59,040 --> 00:57:00,760 So that's what I like. I don't know if you have 1217 00:57:00,760 --> 00:57:01,760 anything I'm putting on the spot. 1218 00:57:01,760 --> 00:57:05,880 Now during winter time, riding a bike to work would be really 1219 00:57:05,880 --> 00:57:07,840 uncomfortable. Yeah, but it's only three miles. 1220 00:57:08,280 --> 00:57:10,080 You know, you can do anything. Honestly. 1221 00:57:10,080 --> 00:57:11,720 It's not not. I'm not going to die unless I 1222 00:57:11,720 --> 00:57:13,440 get hit by a car. I could get hit by a car in 1223 00:57:13,440 --> 00:57:14,720 summer. You know what I mean? 1224 00:57:14,720 --> 00:57:16,800 Like the cold's not going to kill me in 3 miles. 1225 00:57:17,720 --> 00:57:20,520 It's not. So let's just just just be real. 1226 00:57:20,600 --> 00:57:23,320 I could put on layers and I'm going to walk into your office, 1227 00:57:23,320 --> 00:57:26,240 which is like 97 degrees. So I'm going to warm myself up. 1228 00:57:28,440 --> 00:57:29,560 It's not that. It's not that warm. 1229 00:57:29,560 --> 00:57:31,680 It is warm. I like, I like, I like the 1230 00:57:31,680 --> 00:57:34,360 warmth. No, I, I don't have anything 1231 00:57:34,360 --> 00:57:36,520 that I've, that I've been reading this week, but I having 1232 00:57:36,520 --> 00:57:38,680 conversations with people about technology. 1233 00:57:38,680 --> 00:57:41,480 I think that is something that I'll, I'll hide on too. 1234 00:57:41,480 --> 00:57:45,080 I think it's just, it's such a, it's such a crisis. 1235 00:57:45,080 --> 00:57:50,000 It is a crisis in our day technology and just how much we 1236 00:57:50,000 --> 00:57:53,320 depend on it and how much we we feed ourselves with it, you 1237 00:57:53,320 --> 00:57:54,880 know. Specifically the smartphone and 1238 00:57:54,880 --> 00:57:57,400 tablets and all that stuff. And time after time, you know, I 1239 00:57:57,400 --> 00:58:01,720 talk to people and they just, they recognize how much time 1240 00:58:01,720 --> 00:58:03,360 they spend on it and how much they waste. 1241 00:58:03,360 --> 00:58:07,960 And, and almost everybody is, is talking about that like, Oh 1242 00:58:07,960 --> 00:58:09,560 yeah, I spend too much time on my phone. 1243 00:58:09,560 --> 00:58:10,640 Yeah, I spend too much on my phone. 1244 00:58:10,640 --> 00:58:13,640 I need to, I need to be cutting that back and it, and it hinders 1245 00:58:13,640 --> 00:58:15,640 me from doing other things I want to be doing. 1246 00:58:15,640 --> 00:58:17,960 It does. And so I guess 1 encouragement 1247 00:58:17,960 --> 00:58:19,520 I'll give. I gave this a word of 1248 00:58:19,520 --> 00:58:23,320 encouragement to another brother, just that as you're 1249 00:58:23,320 --> 00:58:25,080 thinking through that, maybe maybe people are thinking 1250 00:58:25,080 --> 00:58:28,240 through the new year, what you want to change. 1251 00:58:28,280 --> 00:58:31,640 I would encourage you and I to, to be thinking of what you're 1252 00:58:31,640 --> 00:58:34,880 going to replace it with. Yeah, you don't, don't just take 1253 00:58:34,880 --> 00:58:37,920 something away and then have an empty hole because you're going 1254 00:58:37,920 --> 00:58:39,280 to fill it with something, right. 1255 00:58:39,280 --> 00:58:42,240 I I know I've heard people say, you know, well, I, I got rid of 1256 00:58:42,240 --> 00:58:45,160 my social media and then I started going on YouTube all the 1257 00:58:45,160 --> 00:58:47,720 time. Then I got rid of my YouTube and 1258 00:58:47,720 --> 00:58:49,760 then I started watching Netflix all the time. 1259 00:58:49,760 --> 00:58:51,760 It's like you're going to fill it with something. 1260 00:58:51,760 --> 00:58:54,320 You need to be deciding what you're going to fill it with 1261 00:58:54,960 --> 00:58:59,320 and, you know, whether that's the Bible and pray or prayer or, 1262 00:58:59,440 --> 00:59:02,200 you know, reading the Scripture to your kids or, you know, 1263 00:59:02,200 --> 00:59:03,440 whatever you're going to fill it with. 1264 00:59:03,440 --> 00:59:04,920 Maybe it's a really good book, right? 1265 00:59:05,040 --> 00:59:08,720 Even wanting to read, fill that void with something else and 1266 00:59:08,720 --> 00:59:11,240 create new habits and new disciplines in your life so that 1267 00:59:11,440 --> 00:59:15,360 you know you're not just, you know, being brainwashed by the 1268 00:59:15,360 --> 00:59:18,200 world to be on your phone more and more because their job is to 1269 00:59:18,200 --> 00:59:21,360 keep you glued to your phone for as long as possible. 1270 00:59:22,200 --> 00:59:25,000 Yes, they're really like, like they're hiring the hiring the 1271 00:59:25,000 --> 00:59:28,000 smartest people in the world not to solve the world's problems, 1272 00:59:28,000 --> 00:59:29,760 but to keep you looking at advertising. 1273 00:59:30,200 --> 00:59:31,840 It's crazy. And I could you can go down a 1274 00:59:31,840 --> 00:59:34,040 conspiracy theory on that, but it's true. 1275 00:59:34,320 --> 00:59:35,760 It is. Yeah. 1276 00:59:35,760 --> 00:59:37,800 So if you don't have this feature on your phones turned 1277 00:59:37,800 --> 00:59:40,600 on, turn on screen time feature on Apples and then like the 1278 00:59:40,600 --> 00:59:44,360 Androids have it too. And then track it for a week and 1279 00:59:44,360 --> 00:59:47,000 you'll be surprised how much you look at that little glass 1280 00:59:47,040 --> 00:59:49,720 rectangle in your pocket. And then another word of 1281 00:59:49,720 --> 00:59:52,040 encouragement I would say is just leave the phone in the car. 1282 00:59:52,280 --> 00:59:55,040 If you're going in for coffee with someone, make eye contact 1283 00:59:55,040 --> 00:59:59,080 with them, be seen, be heard. Let them know that you love them 1284 00:59:59,080 --> 01:00:02,760 and care about them. Their your phone conversation 1285 01:00:02,760 --> 01:00:04,320 can wait. It really can. 1286 01:00:04,360 --> 01:00:08,080 Like even dire emergencies can wait 15-30 minutes. 1287 01:00:08,480 --> 01:00:10,480 Like it really can. They're going to call somebody 1288 01:00:10,480 --> 01:00:11,960 else if they don't get you, you know what I mean? 1289 01:00:11,960 --> 01:00:15,680 So, yeah, yeah, that's that's really good. 1290 01:00:15,680 --> 01:00:17,240 So we won't have an episode next week. 1291 01:00:17,880 --> 01:00:20,080 That's what we said, no. Episode next week. 1292 01:00:20,240 --> 01:00:21,920 Yeah, we're going to take off next week, I think. 1293 01:00:22,600 --> 01:00:26,120 All the holidays and everything. Yeah, and we'll be back better 1294 01:00:26,120 --> 01:00:27,640 than ever after the first of the year. 1295 01:00:27,840 --> 01:00:29,600 Yeah, maybe better than ever. I don't know. 1296 01:00:29,920 --> 01:00:33,480 Maybe, yeah. So Merry Christmas to everybody. 1297 01:00:33,480 --> 01:00:35,600 Yeah, happy Boxing Day. Happy, happy. 1298 01:00:36,000 --> 01:00:38,800 We were talking about talking about Boxing Day. 1299 01:00:38,800 --> 01:00:40,240 What? What even is Boxing Day? 1300 01:00:40,320 --> 01:00:42,840 I don't know, but yeah, have Merry Christmas. 1301 01:00:42,840 --> 01:00:45,880 I hope you all enjoy a lot of wonderful time together with 1302 01:00:45,880 --> 01:00:48,360 your families, with friends, with people you love. 1303 01:00:48,800 --> 01:00:51,760 I know it's a wonderful time of year to to catch up with folks 1304 01:00:51,760 --> 01:00:53,200 and family members and stuff like that. 1305 01:00:53,200 --> 01:00:56,160 So praying that the Lord blesses you all with a wonderful season. 1306 01:00:56,720 --> 01:00:59,080 And yeah, Jonah, do you want to close this up here? 1307 01:00:59,200 --> 01:01:03,800 Yeah, Father, thank you so much for for this podcast thing, for 1308 01:01:03,800 --> 01:01:08,520 the opportunity to have one more place to encourage people, to 1309 01:01:08,520 --> 01:01:11,400 encourage each other. I know that Joe and I have 1310 01:01:11,400 --> 01:01:13,080 enjoyed it. And Lord, we thank you. 1311 01:01:13,080 --> 01:01:16,160 We recognize this as a gift from you to be able to do this. 1312 01:01:16,160 --> 01:01:20,160 And so, Lord, I pray for our church as we go into the holiday 1313 01:01:20,160 --> 01:01:24,640 season that we would remember that that you are the most 1314 01:01:24,640 --> 01:01:29,080 important thing that we could ever do with our time. 1315 01:01:29,080 --> 01:01:31,000 Spending time with you is the most important thing. 1316 01:01:31,000 --> 01:01:33,880 So, Lord, I pray that you would help us remember that, help us 1317 01:01:33,880 --> 01:01:36,720 to give the gospel to our families as we gather with them 1318 01:01:36,720 --> 01:01:39,800 over the next few days. And, and we're thinking about 1319 01:01:39,800 --> 01:01:43,200 the future. Help us to plan, but help us to 1320 01:01:43,200 --> 01:01:48,360 hold our plans loosely and help us to remember that giving you 1321 01:01:48,360 --> 01:01:51,480 glory and glorifying you is all satisfying. 1322 01:01:51,480 --> 01:01:53,400 And pray these things in Jesus name, Amen. 1323 01:01:54,480 --> 01:01:54,880 Amen.