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Welcome to be on Sunday, an 
extension of the preaching 

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ministry here at Leemington. 
Emci am Pastor Jonah Chitty, 

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joined as always by Pastor Joe 
Penner and Pastor Jake. 

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And I say as always, Jake's been
out a couple times, a couple 

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episodes, but he's back today, 
back and ready as ever. 

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Thank you. 
And he preached the sermon on 

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Sunday. 
I'll let you, Jake, I'll let you

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give us a recap of that. 
Share your title, go over your 

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points. 
If you want to share it, share a

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little bit about it. 
I think we did you, we didn't do

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you any favors by giving you 40 
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Corinthians. 
But, and I think in in like in 

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our defence that it might be one
sentence for Paul. 

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You know, he just like he liked 
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And if you look at it, if you 
look at in the original text, 

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there's no punctuation, no 
capital letters at all. 

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And so must have been hard to 
read. 

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I must have or maybe no 
lowercase letters. 

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Sorry, it was all caps, no 
punctuation, no spaces. 

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It must have been really hard to
read. 

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So if we're confused by it, just
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translators how confused they 
were by it. 

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That's right. 
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So, yeah. 
So I looked at the preaching 

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calendar and uh oh, this passage
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14 and has never been an easy 
passage for me to, to understand

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or to really dig into, much less
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And I don't think I've ever 
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in my life. 
And I've preached for many, many

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years. 
And so for me, this was a hard 

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one in the sense that not only 
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understanding, but also how do 
people today interpret and apply

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it? 
I thought to myself, OK, how am 

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I going to navigate this and do 
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But then also, it's so big. 
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to this podcast about it would 
have been good to split it up. 

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And I really thought about it. 
Maybe I should just pick a few 

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verses and just hone in on them 
and just say, I'm going to leave

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the rest out. 
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not do that because this is what
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leave anything out. 
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whole thing and spend a lot of 
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And I came up with the title, 
the importance of orderly 

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worship and how Paul uses the 
words, the concepts of speaking 

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in tongues and prophecy. 
What, what interested me was how

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he started that whole discussion
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And that's kind of a foundation 
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grows. 
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sermon, what Joe preached in the
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not there, then nothing else 
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And so this whole thing has to 
be understood in that context as

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well. 
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concepts of speaking in in 
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think everybody today in our 
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And I for myself just want to 
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possible. 
When Paul just uses the word 

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tongues, he means languages. 
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And even though I know not 
everybody might agree with that,

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but also then prophecy. 
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here, I understand him to mean 
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encouragement, building up, not 
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don't know yet, as some would 
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prophecy for you. 
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you in the next month or so. 
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in a nutshell. 
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it, what it's supposed to do 
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And then the most difficult part
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not the most difficult. 
I have to recorrect that the 

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women should be silent in the 
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And that I really wrestle with 
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great detail, but I assume the 
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knew what he was talking about. 
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today, there have literally been
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say there still are churches 
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sound except for singing. 
As far as I know, they cannot do

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anything except sing. 
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difficult passage in some ways, 
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think it's helpful for us. 
So yeah, leave it open for 

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anybody. 
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you had to summarize the the the
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what would the main point of 
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Yeah. 
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practice orderly worship through
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given. 
You good? 

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Yeah, I like that's good. 
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that we should all strive for 
using our gifts, orderly worship

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for for building others up. 
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So. 
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And I think that's a good a good
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like you mentioned already, 
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passage off by saying pursue 
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gifts, especially that you may 
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And so then he's going to later 
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orderly way, right. 
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other, seek to seek ways to use 
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But like, it should all be done 
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done well. 
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summary. 
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the way I understand the letter,
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was in this other side of it in 
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the way I I'm assuming it 
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I think this is correct is there
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chaotic, people shouting over 
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harm than good. 
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to this church in Corinth, not 
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curious what's going on there. 
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stories and they're doing this 
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saying, look, guys, what you're 
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God is not being honored. 
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And the unbelievers, they don't 
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even convicted. 
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And one of the things, one of 
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your in your sermon as you were 
talking about like the orderly 

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worship, is you ask the question
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the Lord orderly? 
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And that was an interesting 
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I've never thought of that 
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I don't know. 
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I don't know if you remember 
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Would you be able to expand on 
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Bit very much. 
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Maybe I'm alone in this. 

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I think I'm not. 
But here's here's the struggle I

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face sometimes. 
See I have an iPad to do my 

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studies and devotions in the 
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I sometimes thought about just 
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Bible and the pen and notepad. 
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sometimes do that is because the
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in some ways. 
Oh, that just popped up and my 

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mind goes in all kinds of 
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I'm reading and I'm in prayer 
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something else comes. 
I'm going to quick and check 

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this. 
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do that, but this has been a 
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because my mind is not orderly. 
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inside of me and he's dwelling 
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he think about all this? 
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If if my thoughts would would be
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the across the street, the 
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the church, what would they be 
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Where would my mind be? 
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Yeah. 
Oh, I better get home soon 

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because the roast is burning or 
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going to be at such and such a 
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Man, he talks fast. 
I do talk fast. 

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Yeah, that. 
Would that would might be coming

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across my screen like as a as a 
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the United States, it's 
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That's a good thought. 
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like is our are we are we 
setting aside times or days 

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specifically for the Lord? 
I know like I've even had 

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conversations with this recently
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and we talked about the 
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it's great. 
It's great to have your Bible, 

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you know, on your phone all the 
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And that is a benefit if you're 
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doctor's office or you're out. 
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if you're on a bus and you. 
Know somebody out there rides a 

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bus? 
Somebody maybe rides a bus, but 

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if you're out there and it's 
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about and you can pull up God's 
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That's great. 
But to use that for your 

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personal time, like even in a 
positive way, you use your phone

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for 1000 things and now just to 
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of them, like you said, your 
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in a negative way. 
You know, your phone is used 

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quite honestly to sin. 
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that you sort of have this tool 
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times, But maybe there's, there 
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I, I agree with you. 
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when I read a Bible, I want to 
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going to hold that physical 
Bible and it's like there is no 

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distraction. 
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going to pop up. 
There is nothing distracting My 

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time like my phone is off to the
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reading the word. 
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professor say as an idea was 
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going to have things come to 
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the phone and turn it off. 
So he said, like what he does is

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he has a notepad beside him so 
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remember to do this today. 
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anything with that, it will keep
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He says, but if I write it down,
then I can then I can push it to

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the side and go, OK, I've, I've 
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remember it and now I can focus 
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are those distractions will 
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But we can have strategies, 
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orderly worship to say this half
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minutes, whatever it is, it's 
like is blocked off and it's 

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like for the Lord and it's not 
going to be distracted by other 

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things. 
Because we would not do that to 

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a friend. 
If we sit in a coffee shop with 

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a friend, we have time now 
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To spend time with this person 
to look at the phone is 

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disrespectful. 
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I would say now it's more normal
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Than it but it's not healthy. 
It's definitely not healthy. 

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But yeah, I didn't think you 
just made a comment earlier. 

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I use this thing to send and why
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instrument of Satan. 
Then you're going to you're 

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going to use it as your tool for
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That's something to think about 
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of people who, who have issues 
with pornography, things like 

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that, they're literally saying 
this is the instrument of my 

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sin, but I'm going to like make 
an excuse and this is also my 

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Bible. 
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You're staring at the same piece
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to send or yeah, that's pretty 
incredible to think about. 

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Yeah, the the only thing I would
say as well is that for those 

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who cannot quote UN quote read 
and they use this as an audio 

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device. 
So there has to be exceptions, 

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right? 
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what we're doing now is taking 
the Bible onto the pulpit and 

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reading from the Scripture, even
though you use a tablet to to 

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read from, because it's simpler,
but you still use the Word when 

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you read the passage. 
We're reading from the Word. 

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Yeah, and I hope nobody sees us 
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have your Bible on your phone. 
I, I think it's just, it's an 

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interesting thing to be thinking
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Like how can I separate maybe at
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Like again, I, I think I do 
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to be bringing their Bibles. 
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those sorts of things. 
We want you to bring your 

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look up and you're looking at us
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wonder why I want that's, that's
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like, I mean, it's like it's 
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but honestly, like if you're at 
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You're going to make everybody 
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All right, that's all right. 
Don't make eye contact with me 

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on Sunday as I preach when I'm 
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So. 
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services, I'm reminded of 
something that AW Tozer wrote 

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many years ago and I don't 
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in, but he talked about the the 
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things we need in our services 
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That's the huge disorder thing. 
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in the back, this big sound 
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I get it. 
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that you have to train 
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not just use a Bible in a 
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Well, anyway, back to AW Tozer. 
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these books were written in the 
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letters, Scripture passages and 
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That's all they had. 
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words. 
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claptrap and we still can't get 
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I'm not saying technology is sin
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distraction, at least in my 
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Now, I know it's subjective. 
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borders on disorder. 
Yeah, Yeah. 

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That's a hard, that's maybe a 
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Like so you mean specifically in
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Like you're not talking like 
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I mean, you're not a church 
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Yeah, like some church services.
They're they're so busy. 

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It's so cluttered. 
There's so much stuff going on, 

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so many moving parts. 
Where's the where's the, the 

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sweetness or the, the, the calm.
I'm shouldn't be calm is the 

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wrong word, perhaps. 
But this, this Worshipful 

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atmosphere. 
Yeah, Yeah. 

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Well, I mean, I guess something 
to make me think about that what

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comes to my mind right now is 
like Israel like, like that 

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doesn't strike me as a simple 
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their full orchestra going and 
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different instruments and all 
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Was noisy. 
Quiet, like I'm guessing that 

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was a very like that was an 
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know, probably very extravagant,
you know, but I think I think I 

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get the point of what you're 
saying. 

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raised in, because it was very 
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was Worshipful, meditational, 
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Thing but Worshipful this is 
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against culture and you just 
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you seems like it's somber. 
It's it's meditative but 

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Worshipful to others may be 
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and motion and feeling and 
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See, and that's where I came up 
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this lady that came to our 
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way back. 
She literally left me says he 

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says you're too quiet, you need 
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And so I sense that. 
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when we just, we can't just get 
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How do we accommodate? 
Can we do both in the same 

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service? 
Can we? 

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Can we do together? 
And yeah, those are not easy 

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questions. 
Yeah, different postures of 

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worship. 
Yeah, that's good. 

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Whatever the case, it should be 
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Where'd you see that Joe? 
Verse 26. 

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Verse. 26. 
There's a verse in the Bible 

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that says make a joyful noise 
unto the Lord. 

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A lot of people who Can't Sing 
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using that, that verse, but 
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They're just joyful. 
It's joyful. 

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Yeah. 
I may not be able to sing, but I

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can make a noise. 
Yeah, I know. 

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One of the things I appreciated 
that you drew out was like your 

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second point was prophecy is 
better than speaking in tongues.

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And so I know you were sort of 
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difference between those two 
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I know Paul says, well, I'd 
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words and be helpful than say 
10,000 words and nobody knows 

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what I'm saying, right? 
Like so the, the point of your 

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gift is to be a blessing to 
other people. 

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It's for the mutual benefit or 
for the upbuilding of other 

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people that your gifts are to be
other others focused and not for

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yourself. 
And so I was, I was grateful for

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that. 
I don't know if you have 

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anything you really want to. 
Add to that, but I wonder 

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sometimes how much do we 
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go today to church. 
My primary purpose is first to 

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worship my Lord, but also 
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blessing and upbilling to my 
neighbor. 

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How much do those thoughts cross
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I'm going to go to church today 
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going to wish them well. 
Hi, good morning and encourage 

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them, give them a handshake and 
sometimes a hug. 

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I don't do hugging much, but you
know what I mean. 

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Just this, this, this atmosphere
of I'm glad to be here and glad 

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you're here. 
We're connecting, right? 

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Building each other up. 
Yeah, I think sometimes I miss 

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that. 
We go there because of a job to 

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do, or we go there because it's 
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Yeah, yeah, that's actually 
that's that's a really good 

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thing to challenge people with 
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trained us to be consumers that 
like I should always be looking 

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for the benefit to me. 
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saying, it's like how many 
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mindset of like, you know, are 
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the who's on who's on coffee 
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Is it going to be, you know, the
strength of coffee that I 

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prefer? 
Or what songs are they going to 

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sing? 
Is it going to be the songs that

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I like or, you know, those sorts
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passage that I like? 
Are they going to preach in the 

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way that I like? 
And we're too focused on 

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ourselves. 
That's a really good question to

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say in what way, as you prepare 
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are you looking for ways to 
serve other people? 

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Like you should be walking in 
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Who can I bless today? 
Who can I serve today? 

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Who can I encourage? 
Who can I pray for? 

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You know, can I be looking for a
guest who maybe they're here for

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the first time and maybe 
somebody's been praying for them

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to come to church and this is 
the first Sunday they've been in

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church in a year or two years or
five years. 

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And how can I be minister to 
someone else and care for 

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someone else rather than just, 
oh, they sang that song again. 

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I hate that song or whatever it 
is right? 

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Like always looking for like 
what I get out of it. 

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Yeah, the building up of the 
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other. 
Yeah, very much so. 

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Yeah, along those along those 
lines we brought up, you brought

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up the prophecy in tongues. 
We did have a question from from

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our audience. 
And so this person's question is

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about prophecy. 
And then he says, it seems like 

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it encompasses several things. 
In the Old Testament, the 

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prophets would usually warn 
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be judgment. 
In this passage, Paul says, and 

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he quotes 1st Corinthians 14. 
Three. 

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He uses the New Living 
Translation in his question, so 

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I'll just read it. 
He says, but one who prophecies 

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strengthens others, encourages 
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And so he's asking, is there a 
difference between what Paul is 

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saying prophecy is here in First
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prophets of the Old Testament 
would be? 

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Yeah, it's a very good question.
And if you read prophets like 

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Isaiah, Jeremiah, they had words
of warning and repentance and 

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count in judgment if they would 
not repent. 

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And that's different than what 
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Paul here is talking to people 
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followers of Christ, who have, 
who are saved. 

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And as he says here, the one who
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encourages them and cumbers 
them. 

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Versus Jeremiah when he was 
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he wasn't comforting them, he 
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talking, you guys turn around, 
you got to repent or else. 

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So there's different prophecies.
Oh, OK, I'll push back just a 

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little bit there. 
But it's not Jeremiah 

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prophesying saying you need to 
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be an encouragement. 
Oh, yeah, you're right. 

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I mean, I get it. 
It makes sense, John. 

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That makes sense. 
It can be it, but also I think 

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the idea of disposed to that the
fear of God was gone and those 

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people, there was no respect for
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They had sort of, so to speak, 
worship services still happen, 

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but there was no respect for the
Lord. 

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They were very brazenly living 
in sin. 

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Jeremiah is is is very 
distraught about that. 

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The Spirit inspires him to 
preach this is sin, you need to 

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repent and judgment is coming 
versus this passage. 

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There's no mention of, oh, 
somebody needs to repent, or 

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well, at least from this 
passage. 

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But we do find later, a little 
bit later on, people will be 

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convicted, unbelievers will come
and hear the prophecy. 

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So there must be something along
those lines. 

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But here, just this verse alone 
that we have here, but one who 

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prophecies, strengthens others, 
encourages them and comforts 

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them, OK. 
Yeah. 

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And I, I, I would tend to agree 
that there's a, there is a 

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difference between the two that 
prophecy served. 

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There's prophecy in the Old 
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impending judgment, right? 
Like if you continue in your 

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ways, like God's gonna punish 
you, right? 

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And I think there's prophecy in 
the New Testament as well. 

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You know, we think of even a 
revelation where, you know, John

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saw a vision, right? 
And he? 

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Gives passage. 
He gives prophecy about the end 

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of the world, right. 
Judgment is coming and you know 

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you you should repent. 
And so I, and I think to me, to 

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me, this verse that you know, 
this, this person sending in the

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question is quoting chapter 14, 
verse three. 

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He says the one who prophesized 
speaks to the people for the 

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upbuilding and encouragement and
consolation or comfort. 

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As the NLT says, I think Paul is
defining what prophecy is. 

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So for him, that is what 
prophecy is it it it and maybe 

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the and maybe he is talking I, I
think he's talking about like 

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you, you're saying something 
that's encouraging. 

448
00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:48,760
You're saying something that 
strengthens, you're saying 

449
00:21:48,760 --> 00:21:52,680
something that comforts. 
So we may think of prophecy 

450
00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:56,920
sometimes as preaching and I and
I think it is proclaiming God's 

451
00:21:56,920 --> 00:22:01,720
word, but Paul may just have in 
mind the the ability to use 

452
00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:04,240
words in a way that we're 
strengthening and encouraging 

453
00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:06,360
and comforting other people. 
And so I think this is a gift 

454
00:22:06,360 --> 00:22:08,200
for everybody. 
And I think that's why he says 

455
00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:13,640
earnestly desire the spiritual 
gifts, especially to prophecy. 

456
00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:16,960
And so like the second part of 
this, this listener's question 

457
00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:19,480
is how do you think we pursue 
prophecy? 

458
00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:22,320
I think that's it. 
We ought to be in God's Word 

459
00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:24,680
every day. 
We got to be praying every day 

460
00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:26,880
so that I can be an 
encouragement to other people 

461
00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:30,160
when I come to church. 
How can I speak words to 

462
00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:34,080
encourage, to strengthen, to 
comfort other people? 

463
00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:37,040
And that's how you use that gift
to be a blessing to other 

464
00:22:37,040 --> 00:22:38,320
people. 
It doesn't have to be. 

465
00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:42,560
If you don't, God's going to get
you. 

466
00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:46,720
And I think one of the one of 
the prophets that comes to mind 

467
00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:48,200
here, I was thinking about this 
and I was doing a bit of 

468
00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:50,800
research on this question. 
Like John the Baptist was also 

469
00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:54,320
considered a prophet, right? 
And So what did he do to the 

470
00:22:54,320 --> 00:22:56,360
Pharisees? 
He called them straight up said 

471
00:22:56,360 --> 00:22:59,000
you repent, you what brutal 
Vipers he calls them. 

472
00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:05,960
And so that is very aggressive 
and that's very confrontive and 

473
00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:08,000
didn't go so well for him, 
though he confronted Herod too. 

474
00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:10,040
And of course, that was the end 
of his ministry right there in 

475
00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:13,360
the sense that he got, he got 
jailed and eventually died for 

476
00:23:13,360 --> 00:23:15,600
it, so. 
I think it went perfectly well 

477
00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:17,400
for him. 
Well, yeah, of course I see your

478
00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:20,280
point, but from a human 
standpoint, things didn't go 

479
00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:21,840
well. 
Well, I think, I think I'm just 

480
00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:24,840
going to push back on your, your
Joe's description as well. 

481
00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:29,080
I, I think verse 3 says, on the 
other hand, the person who 

482
00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:31,320
prophesied speak to people he's 
not. 

483
00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:33,200
I don't think he's describing 
what it is. 

484
00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:34,960
I think he describes why they do
it. 

485
00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:40,040
So for the benefits, so for the 
strengthening, for 

486
00:23:40,040 --> 00:23:42,960
encouragement, for consolation. 
So I think, I think, I think 

487
00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:45,400
it's, I think you're right, But 
also it's like a it's subtle 

488
00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:49,520
like shift in thinking that the 
reason that, that we prophesize 

489
00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:51,840
for building others up. 
I think that it comes to the 

490
00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:54,800
same point, right? 
But, but again, I, I think like 

491
00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:59,360
to, to be fair, I, I don't know 
that, that they're completely 

492
00:23:59,360 --> 00:24:01,160
different. 
I, I think that, yeah, Old 

493
00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:05,000
Testament prophets, we're given 
a specific word of the Lord for 

494
00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:11,440
a specific time and place to a 
specific people to, to express 

495
00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:14,600
God's word. 
That's what they, that's what 

496
00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:15,880
they did. 
That's what prophets did. 

497
00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:19,120
They expressed God's word. 
So in the same way, like I'm not

498
00:24:19,120 --> 00:24:21,680
a cessationist in the in like 
when it comes to prophecy, like 

499
00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:23,680
a lot of the gifts, like this is
one of them that a lot of people

500
00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:26,240
say is dead. 
I don't believe that it is 

501
00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:32,400
because I believe that that for 
us to preach, we stand in front 

502
00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:38,960
of God's people and we say thus 
says the word of the Lord. 

503
00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:44,160
And then we we we take that word
and we take what we know about 

504
00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:47,640
those people and we say this is 
how it applies to you. 

505
00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:50,160
Like that. 
This is this is what this word 

506
00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:53,040
means for us. 
So like we we take it, we 

507
00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:55,520
understand it, we explain what 
it means to the people who it 

508
00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:58,160
was written to. 
And then we take it and we 

509
00:24:58,160 --> 00:24:59,920
expand on it. 
We say this is how it applies to

510
00:24:59,960 --> 00:25:02,480
us. 
So I think, I think they're the 

511
00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:04,720
same. 
There is taking the word of the 

512
00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:10,080
Lord and giving it to the people
for a specific time, a specific 

513
00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:13,040
place, specific moment. 
You have to go down to the third

514
00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:18,480
definition in the lexicon to get
to prophecy as foretelling. 

515
00:25:19,120 --> 00:25:21,280
So like you mentioned, 
Revelation, Revelation is a mix 

516
00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:22,840
of literature, it's a mix of 
genre. 

517
00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:25,360
So they got, you got letters, 
right? 

518
00:25:25,360 --> 00:25:27,880
We got in the 1st 5 chapters, we
got 7 letters to seven churches.

519
00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:33,600
Then we've got, we've got 
prophecy, we've got some 

520
00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:36,480
apocalyptic language that's in 
there that's way different. 

521
00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:40,840
And, and so like, yeah, John and
I think John the Baptist wasn't 

522
00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:43,200
like the reason he's mentioned 
as a prophet is he's the first 

523
00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:45,200
prophet after 400 years of 
silence, right? 

524
00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:49,760
The reason that that I would, I 
don't know that I think the, the

525
00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:52,120
reason people say that prophecy 
is dead is because we have, like

526
00:25:52,120 --> 00:25:54,960
you mentioned earlier, we were 
talking Joe, we have God's full 

527
00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:56,920
counsel. 
Like we don't need any more 

528
00:25:56,920 --> 00:26:00,400
revelation to understand who God
is and become a saving faith in 

529
00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:02,560
him. 
And so I think, I think, how do 

530
00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:05,880
you pursue prophecy? 
You pursue it by studying the 

531
00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:11,160
word and then and then studying 
people and then forming 

532
00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:13,440
relationships with people, as 
you mentioned earlier, Jake, 

533
00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:18,320
like being relational and then 
figuring out, all right, how am 

534
00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:21,120
I going to go to church today, 
going to meet with the body of 

535
00:26:21,120 --> 00:26:22,880
believers. 
We're going to get together as a

536
00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:25,280
church. 
What, what, what, what's the 

537
00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:26,600
word of the Lord for them, 
right? 

538
00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:29,520
And how does, how does what I've
been studying this week apply 

539
00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:31,480
And how do I help edify and 
build up the church? 

540
00:26:32,360 --> 00:26:33,640
So I don't know, maybe that's 
too much. 

541
00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:35,760
Maybe I have a slightly 
different take than you guys on 

542
00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:39,000
it, but that's kind of where I 
feel about prophecy. 

543
00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:43,800
Yeah, well, I mean, you would 
be, you would be prophetic. 

544
00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:48,360
I would say be prophetic by by 
doing exactly what you said, 

545
00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:51,040
reading and studying God's Word 
and then telling people about 

546
00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:51,880
it. 
Yeah, right. 

547
00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:53,240
Like we're going through 
Revelation. 

548
00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:59,160
Revelations. 
Revelation And the interesting 

549
00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:04,000
thing in like chapter 16 that I 
was reading is, you know, here 

550
00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:07,320
you have these seven bowls of 
God's wrath that are poured out.

551
00:27:08,120 --> 00:27:10,840
And the thing that stands out to
you is all, all the people of 

552
00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:14,120
the earth are facing these 
incredible judgments, this 

553
00:27:14,120 --> 00:27:17,080
incredible wrath of God. 
And then you have this phrase 

554
00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:18,920
that's repeated, I think three 
times. 

555
00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:23,320
They did not repent and give him
glory. 

556
00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:26,720
They did not repent of their 
disease, their deeds. 

557
00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:30,760
And so rather than repenting and
turning to God, these people are

558
00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:34,520
are continuing to to face God's 
wrath because of their 

559
00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:37,160
unrepentance. 
And so it's like we're prophetic

560
00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:41,200
in the way that when we tell 
people the only way for you to 

561
00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:44,880
be forgiven to get to heaven is 
by trusting in Jesus Christ your

562
00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:47,920
savior. 
Otherwise you will face God's 

563
00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:50,200
wrath, you know, and that is a 
prophetic statement. 

564
00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:52,320
It is, but it's being faithful 
to God's word. 

565
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:55,960
And I think maybe, and maybe we 
could talk briefly because I'm 

566
00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:58,280
sure this question maybe came up
to people if they were thinking 

567
00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:00,320
about prophecy as as 
foretelling, like you were 

568
00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:04,320
saying, what do we do with 
people who speak a prophetic 

569
00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:08,160
word, you know, and claim some 
sort of like, I don't know, 

570
00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:10,600
something right? 
Like this person is the 

571
00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:14,400
Antichrist or this is the here 
is what's going to come, some 

572
00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:16,480
sort of prophetic word. 
How do we sort of handle those 

573
00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:18,320
sorts of things? 
Yeah, it's a good question. 

574
00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:22,400
I think to me it's easy. 
It's like, does it contradict 

575
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:24,320
what we already have revealed to
us in Scripture? 

576
00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:28,120
And if it does, then it's not a 
word from the Lord, because God 

577
00:28:28,120 --> 00:28:32,200
doesn't contradict himself. 
He's had one plan from the 

578
00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:35,480
beginning of time, since the 
foundation of the world, and 

579
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:37,480
he's been and he's been carrying
out that plan. 

580
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:43,040
And for someone to say something
that contradicts it is it's, 

581
00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:45,400
it's just, it's wrong. 
And so that's something that you

582
00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:47,160
wouldn't put your faith in, you 
wouldn't believe. 

583
00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:54,320
Now, I don't know, like if Jake,
you mentioned someone came and 

584
00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:57,080
said, Hey, you know, I've that 
someone prophesied over me and 

585
00:28:57,080 --> 00:29:00,640
said I was going to be healed of
whatever XY or Z and it came 

586
00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:02,280
true. 
Well, I don't have that. 

587
00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:04,200
We don't have somewhere in 
scripture to test that, right? 

588
00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:09,080
So like you just have to test 
their, their heart and like, you

589
00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:10,720
know, have conversation. 
I believe that's what you would 

590
00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:12,840
do anyway. 
It was like, are they, what are 

591
00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:14,320
they, what do they have to gain 
from this? 

592
00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:16,040
Did they ask me for anything for
it? 

593
00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:21,440
Did they, did they try to 
manipulate me in any way by 

594
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:23,280
saying that, you know, that's 
the types of things I would 

595
00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:25,840
question. 
I don't know if anybody else has

596
00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:28,160
anything to add there. 
When people say things like, 

597
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:31,880
well, God spoke to me and your 
son will be healed from his 

598
00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:34,560
cancer. 
Well, I don't know that. 

599
00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:37,080
And that may not happen because 
then all of a sudden there's a 

600
00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:39,200
lot of disappointment and 
discouragement and 

601
00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:41,640
disillusionment. 
I think we as believers should 

602
00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:43,800
not say things like, and even in
the Old Testament there were 

603
00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:46,680
prophecies made that way, But I 
don't think we in the New 

604
00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:48,560
Testament, the new, in the new 
covenant, we should do those 

605
00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:51,520
things. 
I shouldn't go and say, well, 

606
00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:56,840
God has told me that your 
grandfather will have a he 

607
00:29:56,840 --> 00:29:58,040
healed from his cancer, 
whatever. 

608
00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:01,160
I think those are very broad 
statements and I've heard those 

609
00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:03,280
things and it can be very 
detrimental to to people's 

610
00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:05,840
faith. 
Yeah, absolutely. 

611
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:07,920
And. 
But I think the answer to it 

612
00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:09,240
right, Joe, I'm sorry to cut you
off. 

613
00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:12,760
I just think the answer to all 
of this is like this idea that 

614
00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:16,240
that that there are a few small 
subset of people who hold the 

615
00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:18,880
keys to the word of God and 
they're the only ones that can 

616
00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:20,240
read. 
It is just a lie from hell. 

617
00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:24,440
So my encouragement to the 
church is to to read your Bible,

618
00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:29,160
like study your Bible. 
Like none of us would ever say 

619
00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:31,320
to somebody, oh, you don't read 
the Bible. 

620
00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:34,320
And if we ever do, you should 
question our motives. 

621
00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:36,040
Are we trying to hide something 
from you? 

622
00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:38,680
Are we trying to keep you from 
we're trying to manipulate you 

623
00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:41,520
in some way. 
This idea that the preacher is 

624
00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:44,760
the only one who can handle the 
word of God is alive from hell. 

625
00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:48,440
And it's what our Protestant 
forefathers fought against, 

626
00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:50,480
right? 
Yeah, like very much talking 

627
00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:52,720
about tongues. 
You go to Latin Mass. 

628
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:54,040
What in the world? 
Nobody. 

629
00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:55,160
Well. 
People understood. 

630
00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:57,280
It, they don't even speak Latin 
now, it's like they just 

631
00:30:57,280 --> 00:31:00,160
repeating phrases on a, on a, on
a paper in front of them. 

632
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:01,880
The priest may not even 
understand what he's saying. 

633
00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:06,840
And so like talking in tongues, 
like that's a tongue and it's 

634
00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:09,520
not being interpreted. 
And people go home thinking, 

635
00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:13,000
well, I didn't, I went to church
today and then I'm just going to

636
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:14,440
go do whatever I want to do 
after. 

637
00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:17,840
And it means nothing. 
No, I mean, that doesn't mean I 

638
00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:19,480
don't believe that there are 
some Catholic Christians. 

639
00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:22,160
You know, I think that there are
probably a whole bunch. 

640
00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:27,080
But like, yeah, I mean, like if 
that's if the Mass is in Latin 

641
00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:29,760
and you don't speak Latin, it's 
no good for you. 

642
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:32,280
So anyway. 
It doesn't build you up. 

643
00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:33,520
It doesn't. 
I just felt like I got a little 

644
00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:35,880
bit on a soapbox there and I 
apologize to the audience. 

645
00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:38,520
I'm not apologizing, you guys. 
But anyway. 

646
00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:41,440
No, it's good. 
And I think it's this idea, like

647
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:43,680
you said, that we have God's 
revealed word. 

648
00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:46,360
We have it and we can read it. 
It's complete. 

649
00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:48,360
It is complete. 
We're even told not to add to 

650
00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:49,120
it. 
Exactly. 

651
00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:52,000
Exactly. 
And so anybody who seeks to 

652
00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:54,240
seeks to add to it. 
It's like, yeah, don't. 

653
00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:55,760
Don't. 
So yeah, and I think it's 

654
00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:58,080
important for us to like, let's 
put in context what First 

655
00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:00,960
Corinthians is, right? 
Like First Corinthians in this 

656
00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:04,240
day was being written like it 
wasn't in their byway, right? 

657
00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:11,600
The Scriptures for them in this 
time, maybe a gospel or two, and

658
00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:15,200
then the letters that were 
written, but they were just 

659
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:16,320
circulated. 
They may not have been 

660
00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:18,280
considered Scripture yet. 
And then but the whole Old 

661
00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:20,520
Testament. 
And so let's be clear about 

662
00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:22,160
that. 
Like like in Paul's day when 

663
00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:26,520
he's talking about like fresh 
words from the Lord, like it 

664
00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:28,760
could have been like they they 
had to really test. 

665
00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:32,040
Did this come from an apostle? 
Is this something that I can 

666
00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:33,920
trust? 
Is this is this, you know, is 

667
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:35,600
this Scripture? 
They had to think through those 

668
00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:37,240
things. 
They had to use discernment. 

669
00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:39,240
They had to have the Holy Spirit
had to help guide them. 

670
00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:41,000
And we're grateful that he did, 
right? 

671
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:44,000
Because otherwise we wouldn't 
have a complete word, you know, 

672
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:46,480
because when when you said it's 
in there, it tells us not to add

673
00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:48,960
to it. 
Well, in order for it to be in 

674
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:50,840
there at that point, it had to 
be added. 

675
00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:52,720
That's true. 
And so like, we had to think. 

676
00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:54,800
We had to think clearly about 
these things and like, be like, 

677
00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:56,320
there. 
Yeah. 

678
00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:59,320
I mean this. 
This wasn't scripture until it 

679
00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:01,400
was. 
It's interesting how right even 

680
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:04,480
the Apostle Peter, in one of his
letters, I don't remember which 

681
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:07,320
part, which from one first or 
second Peter, he talks about how

682
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:11,040
some people distort Paul's 
writings or misunderstand or 

683
00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:13,440
misuse Paul's writings, and then
he says as they do other 

684
00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:16,840
scripture, so Peter gave 
recognition to Paul's writings 

685
00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:18,360
as Scripture. 
Yeah, he did. 

686
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:20,200
He did. 
Absolutely they did. 

687
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:23,040
And they knew that it was, I 
mean, Peter also knew that it 

688
00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:25,480
was God breathed, right? 
He recognized that as he was 

689
00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:28,680
writing the letters that that 
this was something way bigger 

690
00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:31,320
than even he could even like 
comprehend. 

691
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:35,640
Like could you imagine being, 
being Peter and, and realizing 

692
00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:39,360
that what you're writing in 
Scripture, like just I, I, I 

693
00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:40,960
don't know where these thoughts 
came from. 

694
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:43,040
There's not the like, I couldn't
have come up with this on my 

695
00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:44,400
own. 
I don't know. 

696
00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:47,800
So I in those days, in the 
context, it's, it's poor for us 

697
00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:50,320
to remember that like these 
Christians had it way harder 

698
00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:53,560
than us at some points, right? 
They, they had to discern all 

699
00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:56,160
these different things. 
And I think Paul, Paul's doing 

700
00:33:56,160 --> 00:34:01,400
here is he's given like a like, 
like what what God did for the 

701
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:03,360
Israelites, right? 
Like you look at you mentioned 

702
00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:07,560
the services back then, like God
gave that in order, right? 

703
00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:10,760
Remember, read Exodus and all 
the different chapter after 

704
00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:13,520
chapter after chapter about how 
to set up the temple and how to 

705
00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:16,120
set up the well, it wasn't the 
temple then, but you know what I

706
00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:18,639
mean, Like set up all the 
different elements of worship 

707
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:21,679
wherever they went and there was
God. 

708
00:34:21,679 --> 00:34:23,280
God is not a God of chaos, but 
of order. 

709
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:27,560
And I think Paul is reminding 
them of this saying, hey, we 

710
00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:32,560
need to worship in an orderly 
way if someone speaks multiple 

711
00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:35,360
tongues, languages. 
I agree with you, Jake. 

712
00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:37,760
I think it is languages. 
I don't think it's gibberish. 

713
00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:42,199
I think like if you, if you're 
speaking Hebrew in a in a 

714
00:34:42,199 --> 00:34:46,440
primarily Greek community, you 
should probably switch if you 

715
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:49,120
know Greek so that everybody 
could be built up. 

716
00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:52,440
So I think that's that's 
something to think about. 

717
00:34:53,159 --> 00:34:55,600
But yeah, those are my thoughts 
on the question that we got from

718
00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:57,200
the audience. 
Yeah. 

719
00:34:57,360 --> 00:34:59,360
That's good. 
Well, and I, I think going back 

720
00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:03,000
to like things being done in 
order and, and for the 

721
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:06,600
upbuilding of other people. 
And I think the way with the way

722
00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:08,640
you sort of mentioned like the 
Holy Spirit inspiring. 

723
00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:13,240
I think, Jay, you touched on 
that in your 4th point that, you

724
00:35:13,240 --> 00:35:16,880
know, the, the gifts are like 
Spirit, they're spirit LED, 

725
00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:19,560
they're spirit driven, they're 
not self generated, right. 

726
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:22,120
And sort of your point about the
Holy Spirit speaking through 

727
00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:24,760
these guys as they were writing 
scripture, I think the Holy 

728
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:28,040
Spirit works that same way 
today, but it's not the Holy 

729
00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:30,760
Spirit is not, it's not through 
like new revelation. 

730
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:32,720
It's not through like new 
scripture. 

731
00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:35,640
It's through like, and I'm sure 
everybody probably has 

732
00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:38,720
experiences at some point where 
it's like something comes to 

733
00:35:38,720 --> 00:35:42,320
your mind, a story, a scripture 
or some word of encouragement in

734
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:45,760
the, in a conversation where you
didn't, you don't have no idea 

735
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:49,040
where that came from, but the 
Spirit gave you a word to speak 

736
00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:52,360
or an encouragement or a 
scripture to use to strengthen 

737
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:55,160
that other person or to say 
something that edified them. 

738
00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:57,400
And you're sort of like at a 
loss of like. 

739
00:35:57,920 --> 00:35:58,760
How did that happen? 
Because. 

740
00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:01,320
Because I know I've, I've 
someone, someone even recently 

741
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:03,400
said, and this has happened to 
me in the last couple months 

742
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:05,840
too, where it's like it was 
something that was like 15 years

743
00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:08,720
ago that I didn't even know. 
I still remembered clearly I 

744
00:36:08,720 --> 00:36:12,320
didn't, you know, it was like 
the Spirit reminded me of that. 

745
00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:14,000
It's like, how do those things 
come to your mind? 

746
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:16,000
It's through the Spirit, you 
know, the Spirit is working in 

747
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:18,600
your heart to give you a word of
encouragement to other people. 

748
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:20,760
You reminded me of a story I 
just recently read. 

749
00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:23,880
Last night I was reading, I'm 
reading a biography on George 

750
00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:30,280
Mueller, who was he started so 
many orphanages in England just 

751
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:32,960
on faith. 
Like he didn't ask for a single 

752
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:35,360
cent. 
But in his early on in his life,

753
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:37,520
he talks about the first time he
was asked to preach. 

754
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:40,800
It was, it was basically a new 
Christian. 

755
00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:44,520
He had theological training but 
got saved during his theological

756
00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:46,040
training. 
Sort of an interesting story. 

757
00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:49,200
But anyway, he's asked to preach
and he said, he said, oh, I 

758
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:50,200
don't know, I've never preached 
before. 

759
00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:54,320
Maybe I can memorize a sermon 
and I can just just like say it 

760
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:56,440
from memory. 
So he did that in the morning 

761
00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:58,480
service and then he did it in 
like a second service in an 

762
00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:00,840
afternoon. 
And then like, it was like it 

763
00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:02,680
fell flat. 
No one paid attention. 

764
00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:05,080
It was like this. 
It was horrible experience for 

765
00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:07,040
him. 
And then like over the over that

766
00:37:07,240 --> 00:37:11,080
that afternoon before the 
evening meeting, he, he, he just

767
00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:14,800
felt the, the urge of the spirit
to, to read the text and to 

768
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:19,480
speak from the heart. 
And he said it was like, I came 

769
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:24,280
alive, like the the Spirit 
helped me, gave me words to say 

770
00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:27,320
in that moment that all applied 
to the Scripture that he was 

771
00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:28,880
reading. 
But like, but in these, like the

772
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:31,720
people woke up. 
And it's like that, that. 

773
00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:34,280
So it's something about like 
being Spirit empowered, 

774
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:39,080
especially from the pulpit, 
That's it's unexplainable how it

775
00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:40,160
works. 
Yeah. 

776
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:43,520
You can't really control that. 
Yeah, we can try. 

777
00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:45,320
And so I think that's like why I
think we should we should all 

778
00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:48,120
like commit right now, like I'm 
put you on the spot, commit to 

779
00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:51,040
2025 being the year of no 
manuscript and the. 

780
00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:52,720
Oh my goodness, my wife would be
happy. 

781
00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:57,040
I think people might not like 
like is looking at them the 

782
00:37:57,040 --> 00:37:59,760
whole time well. 
It's, it's kind of funny because

783
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:02,800
there's times like anybody who 
knows me and has heard me say 

784
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:05,160
this before, it's like I'll walk
around in the gym here at the 

785
00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:07,920
church sometimes and read over 
my texts and I'll like preach it

786
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:10,160
to myself. 
And there's times I look at my 

787
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:13,080
watch and I'm like, and it's 
been 30 minutes and I'm like, I 

788
00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:16,920
wish everybody would have just 
been here for the last 30 

789
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:19,600
minutes and heard that. 
Because it like sometimes it 

790
00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:22,560
just questions come out and 
things come out. 

791
00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:25,880
And I would encourage anybody 
who maybe you're experiencing 

792
00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:30,000
dullness in your, in your Bible 
reading, go for a walk and read 

793
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:33,640
your Bible, read it out loud, 
ask questions and go, I have no 

794
00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:35,800
idea what that means. 
And then keep reading. 

795
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:38,720
Cause a lot of times the writer 
will answer his own questions 

796
00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:43,120
and just ask questions, do 
things right, Like just read 

797
00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:45,280
and, and pour over the text 
yourself. 

798
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:46,960
And it's like, it just brings it
to life. 

799
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:49,600
And yeah, there's times I'm just
like, man, if I could just 

800
00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:52,040
recorded that and like preached 
it, then I wouldn't have to do 

801
00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:56,320
all this work for the next 10. 
15 hours it does that I know. 

802
00:38:56,880 --> 00:38:59,760
Yeah, it's encouraging. 
The Spirit is very encouraging. 

803
00:38:59,840 --> 00:39:03,160
Yeah, that's good. 
Joe, you got any more questions 

804
00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:08,120
for the for our pastor based on 
this text? 

805
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:11,080
I was, I was going to poke fun a
little bit at Jake because I 

806
00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:15,040
know he, he sort of, he sort of 
mentioned, he says the average 

807
00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:18,240
person says 10,000 words in 40 
minutes. 

808
00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:20,800
And I was like, I don't know 
that. 

809
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:23,320
I don't know that the average 
person could even physically 

810
00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:25,920
possibly say 10,000 words in 40 
minutes. 

811
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:29,560
But it was just I, I sort of 
found that kind of funny. 

812
00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:32,040
But it's fast. 
I know well. 

813
00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:35,160
Actually that according to your 
research that's totally wrong. 

814
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:37,800
I'll just take that. 
We did play. 

815
00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:40,520
I mean, we encourage you all to 
go listen to someone speaking 

816
00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:42,480
250 words per minute. 
It's very fast. 

817
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:45,120
It's very fast. 
I do speak a lot of words in 30 

818
00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:48,040
minutes about 7000, give or take
a little bit. 

819
00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:51,440
Yeah. 
And what my manuscript is 7000 

820
00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:54,600
words and so I don't preach it 
word for word, but I'm, I know 

821
00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:57,480
that a lot of guys do about 5000
and half an hour. 

822
00:39:57,880 --> 00:39:59,520
And so they're a lot slower. 
How many? 

823
00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:02,560
How many 7007 thousand words? 
How many pages is that? 

824
00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:06,840
Depending on my font size, yeah.
And my margins too, so. 

825
00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:09,000
He can get it down to 3 pages, 
Joe. 

826
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:12,400
No, no, no. 
I have about 15 to 20 pages on a

827
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:15,920
Sunday morning, 1515 to 20 
depending. 

828
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:17,480
Sometimes I have a bigger font 
than others. 

829
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:21,920
Margins are always the same and 
so often times it's even even up

830
00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:24,160
to I've had up to 30 pages on a 
Sunday morning. 

831
00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:26,800
That's a lot of material. 
It's too much, Yeah. 

832
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:28,560
You mean in logos? 
In logos, Yeah. 

833
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:32,440
Yeah, sometimes mine are 25, but
my fonts real big OK and I talk 

834
00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:36,000
real slow. 
Yeah, Yeah. 

835
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:39,880
I like what what Paul says about
saying less. 

836
00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:45,520
Saying 5 words that means 
something versus 10,000 and in a

837
00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:49,640
tongue volume of it does not 
mean blessings, right? 

838
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:53,640
Sometimes less is more. 
That's a good encouragement for 

839
00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:56,200
all of us. 
But I was, I was not trying to 

840
00:40:56,200 --> 00:40:58,000
make you think I was being. 
I was being but. 

841
00:40:58,000 --> 00:40:59,480
It's good and I didn't think 
that threw. 

842
00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:00,840
I just sat on the top of my 
head. 

843
00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:02,160
I didn't even know that that's 
not my notes. 

844
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:03,920
Though No, no, no, that's 
totally OK. 

845
00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:05,800
That was not my notes. 
It's not in your notes, but it 

846
00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:07,960
is in the record. 
It's in the record, That's fine.

847
00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:11,320
I never heard it. 
But yeah, I thought it was a 

848
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:13,600
good encouragement. 
Even sort of at the end of the 

849
00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:15,800
year sermon, you sort of closed 
with, you know, why do we come 

850
00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:18,240
to church? 
And, you know, your 

851
00:41:18,240 --> 00:41:20,080
encouragement was to bless other
people. 

852
00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:23,600
And so I think that's just a 
good word of encouragement that 

853
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:26,840
again, it just, I think Paul's 
whole point is it's not about 

854
00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:28,560
you. 
It's not about you showing off 

855
00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:30,360
your gift. 
It's not about you being louder 

856
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:31,840
than everybody else and 
whatever. 

857
00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:34,920
It's about how do I seek to be a
blessing to other people? 

858
00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:39,760
Yeah, I think that's true. 
But in a way, it's not even 

859
00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:42,640
about them, right? 
It's not even about others. 

860
00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:44,600
That's true. 
And I think like the whole point

861
00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:49,480
of all this is like, show people
your devotion to God. 

862
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:52,360
And in a lot of ways, that's 
encouragement to others. 

863
00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:53,960
That's edifying to others, 
right? 

864
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:58,960
But yeah, I mean, Paul is 
definitely, he's been, he's been

865
00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:03,400
banging this drum all the way 
through the letter about making 

866
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:05,840
sure that what you do is for the
benefit of your brother or 

867
00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:07,840
sister. 
I mean, this has been the 

868
00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:10,080
heartbeat, if you will, of the 
whole letter. 

869
00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:13,680
Like everything sort of rolls 
back to like this idea of loving

870
00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:15,760
neighbor more than more than you
love yourself. 

871
00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:18,640
So yeah, it's really good. 
But that's an encouraging 

872
00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:21,320
thought, even like you said 
about like, let your love for 

873
00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:24,280
God be what fuels, that inspires
other people. 

874
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:27,000
Because like, maybe everybody 
who's listening to this podcast 

875
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:30,600
right now, like take a minute to
think of someone who inspires 

876
00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:34,320
you as a Christian, because I 
know I can think of people in my

877
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:36,160
mind, even just this last 
Sunday. 

878
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:38,640
It's not, this is not a guy I 
know really well, but this was a

879
00:42:38,640 --> 00:42:43,480
connection I made at seminary. 
His name is Roger Palmer and he 

880
00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:45,440
has done training for our youth 
leaders. 

881
00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:51,560
And this is a guy you, you just,
you could just listen to him for

882
00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:54,360
like for however you could 
listen to for 30 hours straight 

883
00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:56,880
and you'd never get bored. 
This is a man who's just so 

884
00:42:56,880 --> 00:43:01,880
passionate about serving God. 
And it's just you leave that 

885
00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:05,680
conversation like fueled and 
inspired to want to live your 

886
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:07,760
life for Christ. 
And, and I know there's people 

887
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:09,760
like that in my life, people 
like that in our church. 

888
00:43:10,240 --> 00:43:11,920
I, I listen to them talk about 
prayer. 

889
00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:14,120
I listen to them talk about 
their love for the Lord. 

890
00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:16,840
And it's like, it just makes me 
want to love God and pursue God 

891
00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:19,840
all the more. 
And so you're right like that my

892
00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:23,640
life is an example to others, 
you know, rather than like 

893
00:43:23,640 --> 00:43:26,960
honing my gift, honing my skill,
It's like, man, I've heard this 

894
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:28,080
encouragement from other people 
too. 

895
00:43:28,080 --> 00:43:30,800
It's like, I just want to, I 
want people to see my love for 

896
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:32,360
Christ. 
That's what I want people to 

897
00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:34,600
see. 
Not like how I play a guitar, 

898
00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:36,920
right, or how well I can speak 
or whatever. 

899
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:39,160
It's like I just want them to 
see how much I love Jesus. 

900
00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:42,360
And that's like the passion that
they're catching on to. 

901
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:47,960
Yeah, for sure. 
Pastor Jake, Last word. 

902
00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:50,160
I want you. 
Don't have to talk about all you

903
00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:52,320
got to something else. 
Yeah, just briefly about the 

904
00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:55,600
women in church. 
Oh, you want to go there? 

905
00:43:55,720 --> 00:43:57,400
A little bit. 
That's the tiny bit. 

906
00:43:57,920 --> 00:43:59,080
It's your funeral. 
No, I'm. 

907
00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:01,600
Kidding. 
If it's a funeral, it's a 

908
00:44:01,600 --> 00:44:03,840
funeral. 
The reason I wanted to touch on 

909
00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:08,200
it is because obviously in 
Corinth, in the church, in that 

910
00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:12,160
church, there was a problem with
women speaking out of turn. 

911
00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:16,320
And the reason it's important to
me is because of where I've 

912
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:19,400
grown up in the the history out 
of which I come, where women 

913
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:22,840
were so restricted and they have
so much to contribute and so 

914
00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:25,080
much to give. 
And that this has been 

915
00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:27,000
misinterpreted in our time. 
I think it's been 

916
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:29,200
misinterpreted. 
And so here Paul does say 

917
00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:30,800
there's a there's a role for 
women. 

918
00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:34,080
And we find that previous 
chapters in Chapter 11, we find 

919
00:44:34,080 --> 00:44:37,800
that with women praise or 
prophecies, how she should do 

920
00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:39,280
it. 
And yet here he says, keep 

921
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:40,680
silent. 
And I think we should always 

922
00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:43,200
just be careful not to take 
words out of context, take them 

923
00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:46,800
out of the place that they hold.
And so, yeah, just wanted to add

924
00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:49,760
that little piece there. 
Even when Paul says it's 

925
00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:52,360
shameful for women to speak in 
church, it it's a there's a 

926
00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:55,880
wider context to consider here. 
That's good. 

927
00:44:56,160 --> 00:44:57,520
Oh, you didn't say anything 
controversial. 

928
00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:00,560
I was waiting. 
For it, OK, I didn't want to say

929
00:45:00,560 --> 00:45:03,080
anything controversial, but 
there was this order in the 

930
00:45:03,080 --> 00:45:05,880
congregation because of the 
disrespect for rules. 

931
00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:09,840
Yeah, and the, the, the they 
dealt with it in Chapter 11 too,

932
00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:15,560
about the, the, the proper order
of creation even, right. 

933
00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:17,840
So like, right, right. 
Harkening back to that and so. 

934
00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:19,840
Yeah, and I think this is where 
it's helpful. 

935
00:45:20,720 --> 00:45:24,240
We always have to use scripture 
with Scripture, right. 

936
00:45:24,240 --> 00:45:26,400
Then scripture descript explains
itself. 

937
00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:29,680
And so you can't ever take like 
1 section apart from all the 

938
00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:31,280
other sections. 
Like we have to have it all in. 

939
00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:34,760
So Paul speaks about this in 
other passages and and we can 

940
00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:37,640
get a well-rounded theology by 
taking all of scripture into 

941
00:45:37,640 --> 00:45:40,640
context, not just one passage. 
So that's helpful. 

942
00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:43,000
Final word. 
Yeah. 

943
00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:44,960
You don't ever have to talk 
about this again. 

944
00:45:45,080 --> 00:45:46,600
No, that's right. 
I don't know. 

945
00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:49,520
When I'll ever preach on 1st 
Corinthians 14 again. 

946
00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:51,720
You never know, you may be one 
of your favorite places now. 

947
00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:53,000
It could be, may go back there a
lot. 

948
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:56,720
Could be, who knows? 
Yeah, but I was just convicted, 

949
00:45:56,720 --> 00:46:00,360
I guess, and just inspired at 
the same time just the 

950
00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:04,920
orderliness with which Paul says
we should worship and the perps 

951
00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:06,640
behind it building and edifying 
each other. 

952
00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:08,800
And so it's not about I don't 
come to church for myself. 

953
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:10,680
I come to church for a higher 
reason than myself. 

954
00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:13,000
Yeah. 
And I think if we can get that 

955
00:46:13,040 --> 00:46:15,120
into minds, that's helpful. 
Yeah, it is good. 

956
00:46:16,240 --> 00:46:19,640
It is good. 
Next week I get to preach. 

957
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:22,000
So excited you're preaching. 
I'm excited about it. 

958
00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:24,120
Yeah. 
We're going to see. 

959
00:46:24,120 --> 00:46:25,480
We're going to see what all this
is about. 

960
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:29,840
Like starting in chapter 15. 
It feels like I was telling Joe 

961
00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:32,240
this the other day. 
It feels like that all the way 

962
00:46:32,240 --> 00:46:34,440
through this letter. 
It feels like it's been 

963
00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:36,920
building, like there's been, 
Paul's just been building and 

964
00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:41,880
building and building. 
And now he's going to spend, I'm

965
00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:44,040
not preaching all of these 
verses, but he's going to spend 

966
00:46:44,600 --> 00:46:50,240
58 verses, the next 58 verses of
Scripture talking about what 

967
00:46:50,240 --> 00:46:52,200
it's all for. 
Like why do we do it? 

968
00:46:52,200 --> 00:46:55,200
You're going to be talking about
the gospel 1st and then talking 

969
00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:57,880
about like the importance of 
Christians believing the 

970
00:46:57,880 --> 00:47:01,200
resurrection. 
And you guys will get to preach 

971
00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:02,640
on it as well, which is 
exciting. 

972
00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:07,400
But I'm just really excited 
we're going to be talking about 

973
00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:11,400
the gospel. 
So buckle up, that's all I can 

974
00:47:11,640 --> 00:47:12,120
say. 
Be fun that. 

975
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:13,840
Sounds good, We're looking 
forward to it. 

976
00:47:14,120 --> 00:47:16,000
Yeah, Yeah. 
OK. 

977
00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:17,840
Yeah. 
I don't know. 

978
00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:19,280
I don't have anything I like 
this week. 

979
00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:20,920
Do you have anything you like, 
Joe? 

980
00:47:21,120 --> 00:47:23,400
I mean, I do, but I don't want 
to share it if you don't because

981
00:47:24,080 --> 00:47:26,960
I don't want to be alone. 
Well, go ahead. 

982
00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:29,920
I, I honestly, yeah, it's, it's 
been a busy last couple weeks 

983
00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:31,760
and so I haven't, I haven't been
reading anything. 

984
00:47:32,240 --> 00:47:36,120
But yeah, so yeah, I already 
mentioned George Mueller reading

985
00:47:36,120 --> 00:47:40,440
his biography. 
Very is Rodger Steer wrote a 

986
00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:43,040
biography. 
We had to read it in seminary. 

987
00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:45,800
And I just felt like it was the 
right time to read it again. 

988
00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:50,480
And if you could pick it up, 
it's a fantastic story of a man 

989
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:55,320
who who was just faithful and 
faithful in prayer, like he 

990
00:47:55,320 --> 00:47:59,440
prayed big prayers with faith. 
And it was, it's just an 

991
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:04,680
inspiring story of a man who had
had had a vision from the Lord 

992
00:48:04,680 --> 00:48:07,000
for something that he felt the 
Lord wanted him to do. 

993
00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:10,560
And that's to care for the 
orphans in England. 

994
00:48:11,480 --> 00:48:15,240
And they didn't have a dime. 
And then the kids never missed a

995
00:48:15,240 --> 00:48:17,200
meal. 
And he built so many orphanages.

996
00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:22,400
And just a very inspiring story 
about about how God will provide

997
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:26,200
for those who who genuinely want
to do what he's doing in the 

998
00:48:26,200 --> 00:48:28,720
world. 
So I would encourage anybody 

999
00:48:28,720 --> 00:48:32,520
that that has time, it's an easy
read to pick it up and read it. 

1000
00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:35,400
So. 
Yeah, I do remember reading that

1001
00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:39,720
book for a class, and it was 
incredibly convicting because 

1002
00:48:39,720 --> 00:48:43,440
he's just such a man of prayer. 
He committed when he finally 

1003
00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:46,360
just when he decided he was 
going to start serving orphans, 

1004
00:48:46,680 --> 00:48:50,600
he committed to never asking 
anybody for any money. 

1005
00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:52,880
Ever. 
And he never did. 

1006
00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:55,680
So it was always just a prayer. 
And so literally there would be 

1007
00:48:55,680 --> 00:48:59,880
days where, you know, early on 
he only had a few orphans, but 

1008
00:48:59,880 --> 00:49:02,920
later on they had lots of 
orphans, you know, maybe 2000 

1009
00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:05,120
kids at a time. 
And there would literally be 

1010
00:49:05,120 --> 00:49:06,920
days where it's like. 
It's there's no bread. 

1011
00:49:07,080 --> 00:49:09,400
There's. 
It's coming up to lunch and we 

1012
00:49:09,400 --> 00:49:12,400
don't have food, so let's pray 
and then there's. 

1013
00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:14,400
Then someone drops off a check 
or something. 

1014
00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:17,080
Drops off a check, someone drops
off some food, and it's just an 

1015
00:49:17,080 --> 00:49:19,920
incredible testimony to God's 
faithfulness to those who trust 

1016
00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:21,400
Him. 
Yeah, it's a misnomer to say he 

1017
00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:23,240
didn't ask anyone for money, but
he asked the Lord. 

1018
00:49:23,560 --> 00:49:28,120
He asked him every time in the 
in and he provided for him man 

1019
00:49:28,120 --> 00:49:31,960
so faithfully for us to It's 
just I think biographies are 

1020
00:49:31,960 --> 00:49:33,640
great for us to read or listen 
to. 

1021
00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:36,960
If you can't read, find them on 
audio and listen to them. 

1022
00:49:37,080 --> 00:49:42,320
Just people who had such strong 
faith can inspire you their love

1023
00:49:42,320 --> 00:49:44,280
for God, right? 
It inspires you to love God 

1024
00:49:44,320 --> 00:49:46,320
more. 
So well. 

1025
00:49:46,320 --> 00:49:49,800
If you guys don't have anything 
else, we can close this episode 

1026
00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:50,760
out. 
LMC. 

1027
00:49:50,760 --> 00:49:52,920
We are praying for you. 
We love you. 

1028
00:49:52,960 --> 00:49:56,920
We think about you constantly 
and we pray that you have a 

1029
00:49:56,920 --> 00:49:59,240
great week and we look forward 
to seeing you guys on Sunday. 

1030
00:49:59,560 --> 00:50:01,920
Thanks for joining us. 
Until next time.