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Well, welcome to Be on Sunday, a
podcast that's linked to the 

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preaching ministry of Leamington
EMC. 

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I'm Pastor Jonah Chitty. 
I'm joined today with by Pastor 

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Joe Penner and one of our youth 
leaders, Joel Geese Brick, how 

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are you guys doing today? 
Doing good. 

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Awesome. 
I have a very important question

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this this afternoon for both of 
you or only one of you. 

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It's fall here in Ontario. 
It's getting a little crisp. 

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What's your go to coffee 
beverage at the Starbucks right 

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now at. 
The Starbucks Joe, you go first.

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It was just black coffee until I
tried what a treat. 

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Vanilla latte. 
The other that was pretty good. 

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So wait, how long you been 
drinking coffee? 

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Since 17, so probably 10 years 
now. 

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And you? 
Just now tried the vanilla 

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latte. 
Applause. 

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Applause from the from the 
audience. 

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It's good you're branching out. 
I like it. 

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Joe, what's your fall drink of 
choice? 

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Feel like I'm like able to give 
like the white girl answer. 

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You are pumpkin spice lot. 
Yes, pumpkin spice. 

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It is so good. 
That's that's awesome. 

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Mine would just be, you know, 
Americano with one cream because

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I'm American and I just like 
black coffee with cream. 

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It's fine. 
Anyway, I thought that was 

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funny. 
Just I just wanted to put Joe 

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out here, but on the. 
I eat that, I eat gravel when 

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I'm eating it, so just so offset
how? 

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How manly you are. 
You like that's good. 

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No, that's really, really good. 
So you might be wondering why 

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and where pastor Pastor Jake is.
Well, Pastor Jake is serving in 

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Alberta. 
He's out in picture Butte, AB 

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this week. 
He's going to be preaching a 

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series of messages there at 
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And so we thought, why not bring
Joel in because he had the 

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opportunity to speak to our 
congregation on family night. 

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From what song was it Joel? 
Psalm 73. 

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Psalm 73 that's right, very good
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If you haven't had a chance to 
listen to that, we did put that 

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up on on the podcast app a 
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So feel free to go back and 
listen to that. 

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You'll be benefited by hearing 
the word preached, but also it 

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will help with our conversation 
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So Joel, why don't you go ahead 
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for those who haven't heard or 
maybe those who did hear and 

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need a recap, give us a short 
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Yeah, so Psalm 73 being 
transparent, you gave me the 

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opportunity to choose what 
Solomon wanted. 

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So I chose the one that I 
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So that's why I talked about 
Psalm 73 and it talks about 

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finding contentment even when 
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wicked seem to be thriving. 
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how do we find contentment in 
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thriving? 
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connected to the illustration I 
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And so the main points were that
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We focus on the word of God. 
We don't look aside to all the 

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distractions, all the big houses
and fancy cars of the neighbors,

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but we focus on the word of God.
Then we remain mindful of the 

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dangers. 
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things that we can be tempted 
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We know that if we only focus on
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selfish, it leads to not caring 
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We don't see the outside world. 
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seeking refuge in God as 
mountain climbers seek refuge in

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big rocks. 
I use the analogy of we seek 

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refuge in the Rock of Ages and 
seeing God is our strength, our 

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sustainer and our Savior. 
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that last portion of the Psalm 
73 is my heart and my flesh may 

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fail, but God is this my 
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And so if we focus on that, then
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have the biggest house, I don't 
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I'd like maybe, but. 
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homesteading? 
I would love to, but the bylaws 

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say no. 
Bummer. 

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You just have to move out of 
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Yeah, you know, find, find some 
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What? 
That's hard to do here. 

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Yeah, yeah. 
That's good. 

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Yeah. 
So that was a. 

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That's a basic summary of it. 
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key take away that you would 
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Is that what it was? 
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because God is faithful, we 
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So God has proven himself 
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We see it everywhere in the 
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It's hard to see you when you're
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to be in, when you're sick, when
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But God has proven faithful. 
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Yeah. 
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Psalm has always stuck out to me
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soleness. 
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like, man, I almost stumbled. 
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beyond the point of no return. 
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he's saying it's like, but it's 
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this in your sermon that it's 
like, because I'm taking my eyes

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off of Christ and I'm putting 
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world. 
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do all the time, right? 
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priorities are out of line and 
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stopped looking to Christ, I've 
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I've stopped trusting in him and
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fulfillment in the things of 
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And like, I'm looking at 
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it's like, well, they have that,
they have this and whatever, 

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making all these comparisons. 
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heart recognizing that my 
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right? 
That God has been faithful and 

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he is going to take care of us. 
And I feel like that does tie in

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perfectly with where our 
scripture memory, you know, was,

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was at in the Sermon on the 
Mount a few weeks back with look

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at the birds of the field. 
Look like, look at the lilies. 

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Look, look at all these things. 
It's like God is taking care of 

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these things. 
Like, do you not trust that he's

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going to take care of you? 
Look at you putting these plugs 

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in for like scripture memory and
the Bible reading plan. 

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Just like seamless, you're 
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Tie it all together. 
Oh, I forgot to say, Joel, we'll

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get back to. 
I do want to like before we get 

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you out of here, like before we 
let you go. 

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That's a terrible way to go 
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I do want you to share a little 
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podcasting. 
We can do that in just a few 

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minutes, though. 
Joel is a pro at podcasting. 

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Well, so, yeah, I know you're 
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stuff and let somebody give you 
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It's fine. 
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mountain climbing and keeping 
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I think Pastor Jake said this 
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he likes to ride motorcycles. 
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And one of the things he's 
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us is like, you know, you never 
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to go when you're riding a 
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you to not look around. 
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mountain bikes too. 
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really, really dangerous at 
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But if you keep your, but if you
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your feet or right in front of 
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every single time. 
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keep your eye out there on where
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want to want to go. 
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psalmist, if you keep your eye 
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you're much more like safe. 
You're going to get where you 

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want to go. 
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So I think it's a really helpful
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Yeah, I think Pastor Jake used 
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two weeks prior, and then Pastor
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And I was like, well, they all 
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hit it again. 
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illustration of, I'm just 
kidding, it wasn't beating a 

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dead horse, but it's such a good
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walk as Christians. 
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horn through the tunnel, right, 
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Use that in your in your sermon 
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The second I saw that sign, I 
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devotion. 
Yeah, because what does it make 

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you want to do? 
It makes you want to do that 

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things like, you know, no one 
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until you until you see it. 
So it was impactful for sure. 

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the reason I'm probably the 
reason that they made that sign,

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because every time we go to the 
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Cove and the road up to Cates 
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maybe at least two. 
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evening, All of them. 
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like, I mean, we've gone to get,
we've gone to Tennessee a number

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of times over the years and I 
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Like you should do it. 
Maybe it's only if there's no 

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sign. 
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We want to make don't break the 
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Well, like, what is silly 
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Can you imagine like getting 
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you honk the horn man 175 bucks.
You saw the sign, right? 

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That's funny. 
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mindful of the dangers point was
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whenever whenever you were you 
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And I don't know if you said 
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something that stood out for me 
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thing of all is our unrepentant 
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And like thinking about that, 
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something like that and his 
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about like keeping sin secret is
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that. 
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something that we need to all 
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sin in our life is, is going to 
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path. 
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There's going to be a barrier or
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And so we need to do that. 
I thought that was really good. 

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And then and then in that too, 
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sustainer, our strength and our 
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But yeah, it was just really 
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I really appreciated the 
devotion. 

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Yeah. 
How did you, how did you feel? 

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You know, it was like you, you 
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LEMC and I think you've have you
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I did, I think once or twice. 
OK, Yeah, I think one other 

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sermon is devotional or 
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OK. 
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So obviously you're you're, 
you're not getting a lot of 

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reps. 
So how does it feel you? 

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Know well he does get reps we'll
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Because. 
He's teaching our youth, which 

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is something that is important 
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have children in the youth 
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So we're grateful for you and 
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junior youth. 
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from a pretty, a pretty healthy 
church and she gave you guys one

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of the best compliments ever. 
She said, she said, Kyle and 

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Joel, the teaching that they do 
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had at the old church. 
And I was like, that's a big, 

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that's a big compliment. 
And so, yeah, we're grateful for

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you. 
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So he's getting reps, but in 
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I know where you're going there.
So yeah, yeah. 

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So how did you feel? 
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different than 11 and 12 year 
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Not much. 
Actually, I don't know. 

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They they ask questions 
sometimes in you so, but no, I 

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was telling Jonah before we turn
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like sticking to shorter amounts
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I can't say it in 10 minutes, 
then I shouldn't be saying it 

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for 30 minutes. 
So to speak, Glory. 

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Praise the Lord, but so the 20 
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hindrance this time, and I wish 
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explanation parts of it a bit 
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I didn't do myself favors by any
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chapter of Psalm 73, but I like 
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want to take anything out, so I 
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to expand a bit more on that 
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the illustrations slightly, 
being less wordy. 

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But yeah, that's kind of where I
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Yeah, it, I mean, it's tough, 
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Like Psalm 73 is a, is a pretty 
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LMC, it's like we we try the 
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expositional preaching, which is
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taking, you know, reading a 
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that's, that's a lot, right? 
That's yeah, that's a lot to get

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But you did a good job and you 

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focused on, you know, the high 
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in there, but you, you got 
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With Psalms, though, I think 
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I, I think I, I, I'm not going 
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the whole chapter because I 
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And so it's important for us to 
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there are, they're meant to be 
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exception of maybe 119. 
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that. 
Maybe 1-19, something we should 

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just read on a Sunday night, 
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reading the whole Psalm because 
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But yeah, I think that was a 
great job. 

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I wouldn't, I wouldn't go back 
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Yeah, I wouldn't take that out. 
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I wrote down is I don't know if 
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or if it was, if it was like my 
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we focus on determines our 
contentment. 

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Yeah, it might have been, but 
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That is like that's really good.
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that was the point that you were
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And I'm just like, that's a 
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interesting way of saying that, 
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We've already talked about 
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focus, you use the example of 
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determining factor of my 
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to focus on the whatever it is, 
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Like whatever The thing is that 
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it begins to shape your outlook 
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It leads into the part of the 
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sense of like, I want to find 
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example of volunteering at 
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and part of the body of Christ, 
it's not always like this joyous

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thing that you're going to find 
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happiness in that part, well, 
now you're, you're not going to 

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want to go serve because, well, 
it's, it's not very not happy 

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there. 
That's a good point. 

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Like we should find joy, I think
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if that's the, if that's what 
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not going to be content because 
there are aspects to everything 

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that you do. 
That's just some of its 

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drudgery. 
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happiness maybe be you should 
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not always. 
You're happy, right? 

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Yeah. 
Joy doesn't always equate to 

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happy, right? 
Yeah. 

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So like, I'm happy, happy, happy
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No, that's, that's a really good
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Yeah. 
Yeah, and this the psalmist goes

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to say in verse 16. 
But when I when I thought of how

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to understand this, it seemed to
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And I feel like that's sort of 
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you're going to get. 
You know, it's like if if you 

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look to all these things, it's 
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Right. 
Like if, if, if I'm not content 

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with what I have, that 
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the next thing, it's only a 
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longer content with that thing. 
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this this nebulous thing that 
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And yeah, what a wearisome task,
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So like if we don't find our 
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like we're just adding stress 
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Yeah, I just discontentment to 
our lives, right? 

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And then he says it was weary. 
So he's like, until I went into 

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the sanctuary of God, Then I 
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Then I then I looked at like, 
OK, well, for all the blessings 

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and the joy that these people 
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this life, well, what is the end
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Right? 
Right. 

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It's separation from God. 
And and then he realized, OK, 

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that's not worth it, you know? 
Yeah, 1 application. 

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I guess what I had written down 
I didn't have time for and that 

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was it. 
I, I found it similar to when 

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you're in a panic attack. 
When you're in a panic attack, 

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you just feel like you're going 
to die. 

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You feel like everything is 
crashing at this very moment and

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you have to fix everything right
now. 

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And if the same thing, if you're
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it seems so far away. 
It seems like you'll never get 

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there. 
But then by like, if you write 

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out like I'm feeling this way, I
feel like I'm going to die right

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now. 
I feel like if I drive my car 

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this way, I'm like something 
will happen. 

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And when you put it on paper, it
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scared of that and it can go. 
You can do the same thing with 

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thankfulness if you write out 
the things that you're thankful 

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for. 
I know that sounds kind of 

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cliche. 
I know that's like a a life 

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hack, quote UN quote, that I 
that are kind of corny. 

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But whether that's writing it 
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it, I've found at least this is 
just my experience, that it puts

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away some of that discontent and
some of that jealousy that I can

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find coming up. 
Like, OK, I have a house. 

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There's I have, I have shelter, 
I have food. 

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As it says in the Bible, we have
food and clothing. 

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We should be OK. 
But yeah, the practical 

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application of writing it out, 
praying for it, this, the simple

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things, it just, it helps bring 
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I don't have this. 
I don't have this. 

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No, I I'm, I'm good. 
I'm centered. 

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Yeah, that's good. 
That's good. 

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I don't, I don't think cliches, 
that cliches are cliches because

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they work. 
Like over time people have 

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determined that that works. 
And so like that's, that's 

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really helpful to think about. 
I'm just trying to think that is

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this what he's doing? 
Is he riding out? 

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Like you just made me just like 
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Is, is, is this like a song just
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sees that's that's going wrong 
and then just reminding himself 

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that contentment comes from the 
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I don't know. 
It seems almost like that 

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though. 
It does seem like that it like 

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it seems like that I mentioned 
it, the axe prayer model that 

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like confession, like get this 
out in the open like it it 

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doesn't help to hide the way 
that I feel like I feel this 

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way. 
Yeah, at least I'm going to 

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confess it to God and he can 
deal with it. 

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And not in like a proud way, 
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want, but like this is a genuine
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Maybe it's a bit exaggerated to 
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it's it's writing it out and 
then saying, yeah, I can't 

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understand this. 
So I'm going to go over here to 

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the word and. 
Yeah. 

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Let those, let that go. 
It's really good. 

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Yeah, and you, so you mentioned 
something else towards, I think 

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this was towards the end of the 
sermon. 

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But you know, this idea of like 
when others hear us, do they 

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hear grumbling and complaining 
or do they hear contentment and 

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gratitude and sort of this idea 
of like, what do I want to be 

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known for, right? 
Like do I want to be known as 

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the guy that like whenever you 
hang around with me, it's like I

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just Joe's always complaining 
about something. 

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He's always grumbling about 
something. 

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Joe rejects. 
What's Joe rejecting today? 

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And yeah. 
And it's like, yeah, it's like, 

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I don't want to be that, right? 
It's like, I want, I want to be 

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the person that when people 
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they feel strengthened and 
edified and like pointed to 

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Christ probably would be the, 
that would be the number one 

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thing, right? 
It's like I'm just so turning to

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Christ is my default that when 
people come to me with things, 

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it's like I helped them to turn 
to Christ as well. 

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And so yeah, I that was that was
convicting for me, too. 

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That was again just shying the 
mirror back on myself and like 

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this is a problem I have so I'll
just write it down. 

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Yeah, that's so much of 
preaching, right? 

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You you realize that like man, 
I'm preaching to myself more 

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than I have anybody else. 
Yeah, I'm sort of convicted by 

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your statement just just now, 
like just doing a little bit of 

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self reflection thinking about 
am I like, you know, a Debbie 

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Downer, negative Nancy, 
whatever, you know, am I am I I 

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know I was women's names. 
I'm sorry. 

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I'm not like doing that but 
like. 

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Yeah. 
Am I, am I that way or am I 

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happy and put on a happy face or
like, you know, a certain air in

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public and then I'm that way at 
home? 

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That's convicting to think 
about. 

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Do I just like unload on my wife
and react to my family in a 

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negative way? 
So it's convicting to think 

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about. 
So. 

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Thanks for that, Joe, I said. 
Oh, got punched today. 

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I was, I was punching myself. 
So thanks a lot, Joel. 

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Why don't we? 
Why don't we invite this guy? 

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Yeah, that's why I'm here. 
No, we appreciate you being 

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faithful to the texts. 
Yeah, I, I, I'm so glad we have 

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these opportunities now on 
Sunday nights to, to give you 

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guys more reps because we 
believe that the Lord has gifted

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you for teaching. 
I do anyway. 

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And it's been helpful for us to 
hear from you guys and give our,

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give our congregation another 
voice. 

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That that's, that. 
Also, just the fact that, I 

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mean, Kyle spoke, you spoke, 
Ryan spoke, these guys are, 

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these are the guys who are like 
teaching our kids, right? 

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And so it gives us an 
opportunity to to see you in 

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action in some way and some 
level. 

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And so I'm, I'm just really, 
really grateful for for it. 

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And so, yeah. 
All right, I'll ask you the same

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question I ask everybody after 
they've preached. 

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What's one thing or if there's 
this is the last time you can 

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talk about Psalm 73 in this 
context. 

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So is there something that you 
wanted to share that you didn't 

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get a chance to? 
You would think I would have 

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been prepared for this question 
because I have listened to all 

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your podcasts. 
I. 

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Never AM. 
I forgot I forgot to tell you 

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about it before SO. 
No, I don't think so. 

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Yeah. 
Yeah. 

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Like, I've read it before. 
I read it years ago and like, 

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seems every time I read it, it's
just significant to my life at 

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that moment. 
A different part sticks out. 

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So now I just say read it, 
reread it, and live it out. 

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Yeah, verse verse 20, verse 22 
in the CSP says I was stupid and

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I didn't understand. 
I was an unthinking animal 

446
00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:22,480
towards you. 
Sometimes I need to like, say 

447
00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:27,600
that hey, wife in a text. 
Hey, Val, this is what I feel 

448
00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:28,600
right now. 
I'm so sorry. 

449
00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:30,360
You know, I was stupid, 
misunderstood. 

450
00:22:30,360 --> 00:22:33,080
Anyway, it's just so I don't 
know if the ESP says stupid or 

451
00:22:33,080 --> 00:22:33,800
not. 
Brutish. 

452
00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:34,760
Brutish. 
Yeah, even. 

453
00:22:34,760 --> 00:22:38,680
That's even better. 
I'm such a brute anyway, yeah, 

454
00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:41,960
very, very good choice, very 
good devotion. 

455
00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:46,960
We're grateful for you switching
gears a little bit share with us

456
00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:50,800
for like, I don't know, however 
long you want to you guys have a

457
00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:55,280
podcast called Chat KJP. 
That's correct. 

458
00:22:55,760 --> 00:22:59,280
Sorry, I almost said ChatGPT. 
That's the point. 

459
00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:00,760
That's the point. 
It gets us thinking. 

460
00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:06,520
So are you guys an AI generated 
podcast or is it just share with

461
00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:08,920
a little bit about that like the
concept for your podcast? 

462
00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:12,160
We all like, like I mentioned it
last episode, that's something I

463
00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:16,400
really enjoy listening to, 
mainly because you have guests. 

464
00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:19,680
So tell us what's going on. 
Yeah, So strictly AI, No 

465
00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:24,000
original thoughts. 
No, the purpose of it was me and

466
00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:26,920
Kyle. 
We're both curious people, I 

467
00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:29,840
guess, or at least we like to 
think we are. 

468
00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:35,400
And there's so many people that 
have what you would consider 

469
00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:40,000
maybe mundane jobs or jobs that 
you never heard of before. 

470
00:23:40,120 --> 00:23:42,800
And every time I talk to 
someone, like what's the first 

471
00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:45,520
thing you do when you get into a
conversation with another guy? 

472
00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:47,040
Hey, how's it going? 
Good weather. 

473
00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:51,040
Hey, so how's work been? 
So right, it sends my news like 

474
00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:52,560
what do you do? 
Yeah, What do you do? 

475
00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:54,960
And so essentially that's what 
the podcast is. 

476
00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:57,320
It's just an excuse to ask 
people that question. 

477
00:23:58,400 --> 00:24:04,680
But in in a more serious sense, 
it's the podcasts of celebrities

478
00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:08,000
and famous people. 
You, you kind of know what they 

479
00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:09,680
do. 
You, you hear them on every 

480
00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:13,840
other podcast, but you don't 
hear maybe a podcast of a 

481
00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:17,600
garbage man or a what are some 
that we've had? 

482
00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:19,680
We had a real estate agent, a 
butcher. 

483
00:24:20,360 --> 00:24:23,600
Aspiring teacher. 
Aspiring teacher, a maintenance 

484
00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:25,800
manager, all those different. 
A contractor. 

485
00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:28,520
We've had a few different ones. 
Or when you had a pastor on. 

486
00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:31,440
We had Pastor Jake on, so that 
was really good. 

487
00:24:33,120 --> 00:24:36,720
So yes, just being curious about
what they do and maybe more 

488
00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:39,560
importantly, why they do it, 
what the motivation behind it 

489
00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:42,400
is, maybe what are the lessons 
or what are the qualities that 

490
00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:44,520
you need to be able to do 
something like that. 

491
00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:48,320
So it's can be helpful for maybe
the younger generation. 

492
00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:52,840
I'd like to say I'm still there 
that that maybe are trying to 

493
00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:55,560
figure out what they want to do 
and maybe it can just be helpful

494
00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:58,280
to anyone that like, oh, I've 
never thought of that before. 

495
00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:02,960
Yeah, to see what, to see what 
other people do. 

496
00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:06,720
It really wasn't for other 
people, I'll admit it. 

497
00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:09,920
It was pretty selfish that we 
just wanted to talk to people, 

498
00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:13,320
and I found that a good excuse. 
Hey, we have mics, so come talk 

499
00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:15,560
to us and we'll put it on. 
Put it on this. 

500
00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:18,000
Thing I think that's a great 
that's a great motivation 

501
00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:21,040
honestly for it because if it's 
interesting to you it's going to

502
00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:22,960
be interesting to someone else 
like especially if you're 

503
00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:25,840
interested, it's going to make 
it compelling for sure So yeah, 

504
00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:29,400
I've I've been edified by it. 
This like listening listen to 

505
00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:31,840
you guys talk just you 2 it's 
fun. 

506
00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:35,840
I hear more from you then and 
that's good. 

507
00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:38,880
When you have a guest on 
sometimes, you know, obviously 

508
00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:42,680
the guest rules that that 
segment, but it's just been 

509
00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:44,000
really, really good. 
Yeah. 

510
00:25:44,120 --> 00:25:46,160
And I, well, I'm not, I'm not 
listening to them all, but I've 

511
00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:48,840
listened to a number of them and
it's like sometimes I'm 

512
00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:50,320
surprised, like with the guests 
too. 

513
00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:53,920
I'm like, I know a lot of these 
people and I'm like, wow, I 

514
00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:58,120
would not have expected them to 
be like, as it sounds like 

515
00:25:58,120 --> 00:26:00,640
they're really bubbly, right, or
outgoing or sharing their story.

516
00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:04,000
And I'm like, wow, this is like,
I, I am totally interested, 

517
00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:06,120
right? 
Because he like, I, I knew this 

518
00:26:06,120 --> 00:26:08,440
one guy back in the day and he 
would ask this question of 

519
00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:10,600
people that he would just meet. 
He would be like, if they would,

520
00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:13,640
there was this one guy that we, 
he, his job was like a 

521
00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:18,200
watermelon delivery driver. 
I'm like what a random, what a 

522
00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:19,960
random job? 
But it sounds boring. 

523
00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:23,840
But the we were in a room and he
said, tell me three things about

524
00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:26,120
like the watermelon industry 
that like most people don't 

525
00:26:26,120 --> 00:26:28,160
know. 
And I thought like, what a great

526
00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:29,960
question. 
You know, I don't really 

527
00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:31,960
remember his answers, but I 
thought that was a really cool 

528
00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:34,320
question because you're right, 
there's always things about no 

529
00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:37,360
matter how mundane the job is, 
there's things about that job 

530
00:26:37,360 --> 00:26:39,920
that are like, you know, most 
people don't know this, right? 

531
00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:42,440
Or it might surprise them or, 
you know, like there's just 

532
00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:44,560
things you don't expect, right? 
So I think the premise of the 

533
00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:46,720
show is really interesting. 
Yeah. 

534
00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:50,200
And like most people, it like 
talking about themselves and 

535
00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:52,280
they don't get that opportunity 
sometimes. 

536
00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:55,440
And not that we're by any means 
a good podcast. 

537
00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:57,360
We're starting out and we're 
trying to. 

538
00:26:57,360 --> 00:26:59,640
No, you're not a good podcast. 
You're a phenomenal podcast. 

539
00:26:59,960 --> 00:27:00,600
It's. 
Good stuff. 

540
00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:06,040
So trying to I think you can by 
trying to ask good questions 

541
00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:09,040
just like that question, it 
brings out the best in other 

542
00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:11,400
people and all of a sudden I 
know it for myself when people 

543
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:15,240
ask me good questions, I just 
like, oh, OK, now I can go in on

544
00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:19,520
whatever I'm doing right. 
I will say if anyone knows a 

545
00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:23,360
rodeo clown, that is the the 
profession I've been super 

546
00:27:23,360 --> 00:27:25,560
interested in. 
So shameless. 

547
00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:27,600
You can cut that out if you. 
Want no, we're not going to cut 

548
00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:29,960
anything in this podcast. 
That's part of our defining 

549
00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:34,720
anyway, as part of the the core 
of our podcast is we don't edit 

550
00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:37,960
anything. 
No, if you're willing to talk to

551
00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:39,880
somebody remotely, I might have 
the answer for that. 

552
00:27:40,120 --> 00:27:42,800
If you can make it like a Zoom 
call like I know people. 

553
00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:44,920
So we'll see if I can think on 
that one for you. 

554
00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:47,680
That's a good connection. 
Yeah, but it is interesting 

555
00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:50,520
because The thing is about like 
when you may do moot, do a 

556
00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:54,240
mundane job, and to you, it 
feels like you just get used to 

557
00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:56,600
it, right? 
But to other people, it's still 

558
00:27:56,600 --> 00:27:58,160
interesting because they don't 
know, right? 

559
00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:00,680
And so, yeah, the idea that you 
get to share something that most

560
00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:04,120
people don't know about. 
How does McDonald's make their 

561
00:28:04,120 --> 00:28:06,760
burgers you? 
Know why is the ice cream 

562
00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:09,160
machine always broke? 
Exactly. 

563
00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:12,040
That's great. 
Yeah. 

564
00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:15,120
No, just wanted to, I want to 
just take like let people hear 

565
00:28:15,120 --> 00:28:18,080
from you about it. 
I think it's something our 

566
00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:20,800
church members are doing. 
It may not be church related or 

567
00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:24,560
inherently Christian, but I 
think that I think you give a 

568
00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:27,080
Christian worldview in your, in 
your answers and in the 

569
00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:30,920
questions you ask, which make it
make it seem it's, it's just 

570
00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:32,440
really good. 
So I appreciate it. 

571
00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:37,880
Yeah, I'd preface that saying 
not all our guests will be of 

572
00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:41,320
Christian faith, but me and Kyle
both are. 

573
00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:45,320
And to that point too, I think 
what makes it good is the fact 

574
00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:49,880
of maybe Kyle and myself how 
different we are, but the fact 

575
00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:51,040
that we're still friends 
somehow. 

576
00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:53,840
Yeah, I'm just kidding. 
No, it's true. 

577
00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:56,160
We're we're different 
personalities. 

578
00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:59,080
And so I think it complements 
and we work well together in 

579
00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:00,480
that regard. 
For sure. 

580
00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:02,920
Well, very cool. 
So let's chat really quickly 

581
00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:06,840
about we had a sermon this last 
week. 

582
00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:09,560
Pastor takes out, which is makes
it hard because we're not 

583
00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:11,920
hearing from him. 
So we won't do a recap of his 

584
00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:13,320
sermon. 
But we there was a few things 

585
00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:16,960
that we stood out the text to us
that his illustrations were 

586
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:19,040
good. 
Pastor Jake preached a sermon 

587
00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:20,840
from First Corinthians chapter 
12. 

588
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:25,600
I believe it was continuing our 
conversation through that book 

589
00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:28,600
and this one specifically on 
gifts. 

590
00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:30,840
I think we're going to be 
talking about spiritual gifts 

591
00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:34,360
for the next several weeks at 
least. 

592
00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:38,720
It comes up here and there, but 
specifically talking about like 

593
00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:43,600
being one body, many parts make 
up one body, right? 

594
00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:47,920
I think his sermon title was, I 
forget many members, many gifts 

595
00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:51,880
in one body from chapter 12, 
verse 12 to 31. 

596
00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:56,120
So, Joe, what stood out as 
something that you wanted to 

597
00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:57,880
chat about? 
Yeah, there was a number of 

598
00:29:57,880 --> 00:29:58,720
them. 
I took a lot of. 

599
00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:01,120
I took a lot of notes, had a lot
of questions. 

600
00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:08,400
One of the things that I thought
of was he used like the idea, 

601
00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:11,320
like at the beginning of COVID, 
when everybody was sort of 

602
00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:14,880
stucked and locked at home and 
you couldn't come to church. 

603
00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:18,800
And he was, he used that as an 
illustration that like you 

604
00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:22,440
can't, how do you do church 
apart from the church, right? 

605
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:25,200
And, and so I, I just sort of 
wanted to open it up to ask you 

606
00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:28,200
guys like I, I don't know if you
guys had any experiences during 

607
00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:32,320
COVID. 
I, I remember feeling like, you 

608
00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:34,360
know, he shared a story of 
someone who sort of was like, 

609
00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:36,000
oh, it's great. 
You know, I get to sort of chill

610
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:40,720
in my bed with a coffee And, and
I will say like I've been, I had

611
00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:43,040
the complete opposite. 
I mean, we were in Louisville at

612
00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:46,520
the time, Louisville, KY. 
And I just remember feeling like

613
00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:49,040
this is the worst. 
Like this is awful. 

614
00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:52,400
Like, I cannot stand this. 
Like I, I want to be in the 

615
00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:56,440
like, like singing in my house 
by myself is the worst. 

616
00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:58,960
It's lame, It's lame, it's super
lame. 

617
00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:04,200
And, you know, again, it, it 
maybe did the job that it was 

618
00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:06,080
supposed to do for the time or 
whatever. 

619
00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:09,200
And so we don't need to get into
all that stuff, but all the 

620
00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:11,600
political side of it. 
But just for me, it was like, it

621
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:13,880
was so inadequate. 
It's like we, I need to be in 

622
00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:17,120
the church with the people 
connecting and singing together 

623
00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:19,560
and pouring our hearts to God 
together and hearing the 

624
00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:21,960
preached word and then talking 
about it afterwards. 

625
00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:23,960
And so I, yeah, I hated it. 
I don't know. 

626
00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:25,920
I. 
Think it was one of the IT was 

627
00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:29,960
it was enlightening for for us 
to see that the church isn't 

628
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:33,360
just what we do, it's who we are
right. 

629
00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:37,360
Like like you, all the elements 
were there like I, Joe and I 

630
00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:38,720
went to the same church in 
Louisville. 

631
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:41,520
I was in Louisville as well. 
All of the same elements were 

632
00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:44,040
there. 
It was on a screen We had they 

633
00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:46,800
had the full band like they were
social distanced. 

634
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:51,000
They had the band. 
The problem with that is like 

635
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:54,160
they're recording in the the 
mixer is mixed for a big room 

636
00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:57,680
and not like not a studio. 
And so the sound quality is not 

637
00:31:57,680 --> 00:32:02,160
the best, but they had that. 
And then they had, they had the 

638
00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:06,400
prayers, they had the sermon. 
All of the stuff was the same, 

639
00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:09,440
but it didn't feel the same. 
It didn't feel like church. 

640
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:12,720
It felt like whatever, I can do 
this listening to a podcast or 

641
00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:16,600
listen to a recorded sermon. 
For me, it exposed that the 

642
00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:19,760
church, it showed me the reality
that their church is not what we

643
00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:22,840
do, it's who we are. 
So we're not the church unless 

644
00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:24,840
we're together. 
And that's sort of what I felt. 

645
00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:26,880
But I don't, I don't know what 
you about you, Joel. 

646
00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:29,400
Yeah, I felt the same way. 
Sometimes you don't realize how 

647
00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:31,120
much you'd miss something until 
it's gone. 

648
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:35,000
Yeah, so that was. 
I realized also that I'm not 

649
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:39,320
good at singing, so I need a big
crowd to cover that up right. 

650
00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:43,520
Loud music, yeah, yeah, like 
that, that like my wife and 

651
00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:46,680
kids, they would stand up, you 
know, during the songs and I'm 

652
00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:48,000
just in the recliner. 
Just this is. 

653
00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:51,000
Horrible. 
I couldn't, I just couldn't get 

654
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:54,560
into like, I don't know. 
It's like, but then that also 

655
00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:57,240
kind of exposes my heart to am I
supposed to get into it? 

656
00:32:57,360 --> 00:33:01,640
Like, is it something for me? 
Like am I supposed to be feeling

657
00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:03,720
a certain way in church and 
might, you know, so I'm just 

658
00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:04,840
trying to think these things 
through. 

659
00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:08,080
So for me, it's just like, yeah,
it's not for me. 

660
00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:10,840
Like, I'm OK. 
Listen, I think listening to 

661
00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:14,840
sermons is helpful, right? 
But like, the whole service 

662
00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:17,960
being remote is you can't be the
church alone. 

663
00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:20,000
Yeah, you just can't. 
And so, yeah. 

664
00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:22,760
Yeah, Yeah. 
Jake also started his sermon 

665
00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:25,560
with this idea of, like, we used
to be like a front yard 

666
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:27,680
community. 
Like, the world maybe was more 

667
00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:30,480
so in the West back then, where 
it's like people were in the 

668
00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:32,600
front yard and you'd see your 
neighbors playing in the front 

669
00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:34,120
yard and you can have 
conversations. 

670
00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:37,400
But now we've moved to, like, 
backyard communities, and it's 

671
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:40,360
fenced in. 
And I felt super judged by that,

672
00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:47,000
like, well, yeah, well, I guess.
If you didn't have a fence, 

673
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:48,840
let's be honest, if you didn't 
have a fence, your backyard 

674
00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:50,160
would be the parking lot of the 
church. 

675
00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:52,880
And so that would be kind of 
difficult at times. 

676
00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:56,320
Yeah, it is kind of funny 
because we, yeah, our, our 

677
00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:59,000
backyard, for anybody who 
doesn't know, our, our, we live 

678
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:01,840
next door to the church. 
And so our backyard is adjacent 

679
00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:03,880
to the driveway. 
And so like 6 nights of the 

680
00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:05,560
week, there's something going on
in the church. 

681
00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:08,320
And so there's a parade of cars 
driving. 

682
00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:11,639
You're like mowing the yard and 
you have to wave to everybody. 

683
00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:14,239
And so it was like, man, it 
would be great to have some 

684
00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:17,480
privacy. 
No, I'm, I'm kidding about being

685
00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:19,159
judged, but I thought that was 
pretty funny. 

686
00:34:19,159 --> 00:34:21,719
It is true. 
You know, like we used to be far

687
00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:24,480
more relational even in our 
communities than we are now. 

688
00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:27,040
And yeah, that's to our 
detriment, I think. 

689
00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:31,400
It reminds me of the social 
media podcast that you guys had 

690
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:34,760
talking about we, we strive for 
it. 

691
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:37,040
We, we long for community. 
I think like it's, I think it's 

692
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:39,000
part of us, part of part of 
human nature. 

693
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:41,639
It's part of what God like 
imaged on us. 

694
00:34:41,679 --> 00:34:43,840
We long for community, we long 
for relationship. 

695
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:48,440
And, and like, when you take 
that away, like you, you do move

696
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:51,440
from like this slower pace of 
life to a faster pace of life. 

697
00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:54,880
Now we're backyard people where 
we used to be, front porch 

698
00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:58,120
people. 
And then so we, we, we reach 

699
00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:00,920
these devices that we carry 
around and these apps that 

700
00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:02,400
they've, that people have 
created. 

701
00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:05,200
And they say they want us to 
come together in community, but 

702
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:06,840
it doesn't, it doesn't have the 
same effect. 

703
00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:11,040
It doesn't work. 
And so, yeah, I don't, I don't 

704
00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:14,600
know, we are meant to be 
together. 

705
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:18,520
Like especially the church, you 
know, church community done 

706
00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:22,720
well, even done poorly, it's 
better than than nothing. 

707
00:35:22,720 --> 00:35:25,640
But done well, it is the IT is 
the magic of life, I think 

708
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:28,360
church community. 
So yeah, it's good. 

709
00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:30,600
Joel, do you have a fence in 
your backyard? 

710
00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:35,320
No, I wish we have like 8 
neighbors. 

711
00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:38,080
It's good. 
We're actually able to meet the 

712
00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:41,960
other day with our neighbors 
across the road just to sit down

713
00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:44,840
and have a talk. 
And it kind of after Pastor 

714
00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:47,720
Jake's sermon, I thought the 
same thing like this is this is 

715
00:35:47,720 --> 00:35:49,080
nice. 
Did it make you want to get 

716
00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:52,480
rocking chairs and like be like 
Andy Griffith on the front porch

717
00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:54,240
playing guitar for the 
neighbors? 

718
00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:57,680
Not necessarily maybe, but it 
was nice. 

719
00:35:58,040 --> 00:35:59,680
Nice. 
Yeah, that's. 

720
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:02,720
Another illustration that stood 
out to me in Pastor Jake's 

721
00:36:02,720 --> 00:36:05,800
sermon was the illustration of 
this this tumor. 

722
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:08,400
So it's a pretty gross like 
image, honestly. 

723
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:13,280
But this lady who's starving, 
she has this massive growth of 

724
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:18,120
rogue fat sales as cells is what
the pastor Jake described it as.

725
00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:22,320
And like, it was very vivid for 
me to think about, like the 

726
00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:25,120
members of the body going, some 
members of the body going rogue 

727
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:29,800
and the effect that it had on 
the person, on the on the whole 

728
00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:32,240
body. 
And then like what that like 

729
00:36:32,240 --> 00:36:33,520
plays out. 
How does that play out in the 

730
00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:35,240
church? 
I don't know if you guys were 

731
00:36:35,240 --> 00:36:38,720
impacted by that illustration at
all, but I felt like it was very

732
00:36:38,720 --> 00:36:41,400
vivid. 
And once I got past like the, 

733
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:44,560
the gross image of this person 
with this giant growth on the 

734
00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:48,520
side of her body, which was 
starving her, making her the 

735
00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:53,160
rest of her body look emaciated 
and just like gross. 

736
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:57,720
Like I, I felt like, man, that 
is such a picture of like the 

737
00:36:57,720 --> 00:37:01,040
danger of rogue members in the, 
of the body of the Christ, you 

738
00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:02,240
know, body of Christ in the 
church. 

739
00:37:02,240 --> 00:37:04,600
So I don't know what you guys 
felt about that or hurt, you 

740
00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:08,680
know. 
Yeah, I had, I had, Yeah, that 

741
00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:11,120
struck me too. 
I mean, it's it's it's crazy. 

742
00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:12,560
I know, I know. 
He sort of closed with an 

743
00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:16,200
illustration of sort of that 
same idea that, you know, these 

744
00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:18,760
people who separate themselves 
from the body. 

745
00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:25,360
You're you're removing yourself 
from the benefits of those other

746
00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:26,840
people, right. 
Like when you think about a 

747
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:29,600
body, right, You if and if 
you're the arm and you separate 

748
00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:33,200
yourself from the well, now you 
lose the advantage of eyesight 

749
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:36,240
and, and feeling and being able 
to walk and all these different 

750
00:37:36,240 --> 00:37:37,840
things. 
And so that is such a graphic 

751
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:39,560
illustration even that Paul 
uses. 

752
00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:43,080
But you know, when we isolate 
ourselves from the body, we lose

753
00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:46,200
the benefits of those of those 
members, right? 

754
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:49,840
And so like, sort of to your 
point, it's like now both, now 

755
00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:51,600
both of you are suffering, 
right? 

756
00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:53,720
You're suffering because you're 
not benefiting from the body, 

757
00:37:53,720 --> 00:37:56,480
but the body's also suffering 
because they don't have you. 

758
00:37:57,240 --> 00:38:00,280
And so I, I think just points us
back to the importance of being 

759
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:04,000
connected, coming together and 
serving one another, you know, 

760
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:05,520
for the sake of the whole body. 
Yeah. 

761
00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:07,360
Yeah, yeah. 
This is helpful. 

762
00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:11,320
What stuck out to me there with 
that growth as Pastor Jake said 

763
00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:13,880
that it was destined for death 
from the beginning. 

764
00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:17,080
Yeah. 
Whether it is cut off and dies 

765
00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:19,880
or it kills its host, it can't 
survive. 

766
00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:24,800
And it's putting that into 
application of a church body or 

767
00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:29,160
yeah, I thought that was very 
vivid, put a good picture, 

768
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:31,760
painted a good picture in my 
mind. 

769
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:33,280
Yeah, I think it's just 
important. 

770
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:35,400
That's that's why it's so 
important for us to be lashed to

771
00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:37,040
the truth, right? 
To like be committed to 

772
00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:40,960
scripture, to committed to, to 
making disciples like, and then 

773
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:43,920
it's like for our church being 
committed to this idea of 

774
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:46,440
disciple making being like the 
DNA of the, of the church. 

775
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:49,840
We believe that comes from 
scripture and like for, for us 

776
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:53,440
to be unified in that it's very 
important for us to be like all 

777
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:56,600
committed to the same goal, like
in every ministry from like 

778
00:38:56,600 --> 00:38:59,520
children's ministry, youth 
ministry to the men's ministry, 

779
00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:02,680
women's ministry. 
Like whatever events we do, we 

780
00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:04,920
need to make sure that we're, 
we're trying to stay like 

781
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:08,560
unified to one vision for the 
health of the church. 

782
00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:12,320
Because like you said, like if 
if all of a sudden men's 

783
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:15,120
ministry decides to do something
completely, totally different 

784
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:19,720
and not be like not be part of 
that vision, it's destined for 

785
00:39:19,720 --> 00:39:22,640
death. 
Like it, it will not succeed and

786
00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:24,920
it will drag down the rest of 
the church with it. 

787
00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:27,520
And so I don't think the men's 
ministry is going to do that. 

788
00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:29,240
But I'm just just trying to use 
it as an. 

789
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:30,240
Example. 
Yeah. 

790
00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:34,200
So what do you think then? 
Like, I mean, let's maybe go 

791
00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:36,840
down that road of like direct 
specific application to our 

792
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:38,280
church, right? 
Like what does this mean to like

793
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:41,280
the average church member? 
Like being connected to the 

794
00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:41,840
body? 
Like what? 

795
00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:44,040
Like what? 
Like at LEMC, what does that 

796
00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:46,080
look like? 
How would we encourage people to

797
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:51,840
be connected to the body so that
you are experiencing the 

798
00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:54,840
benefits of that body, but also 
that you can be a benefit? 

799
00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:01,400
Silence. 
Yeah, I don't want to. 

800
00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:02,840
I don't want to take from anyone
else. 

801
00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:04,560
I have ideas but don't do 
anything. 

802
00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:09,680
No, I'm still thinking. 
It's OK to still think, Yeah, I 

803
00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:15,280
think like first of all, like be
here, like, like that's the 

804
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:18,960
first step, right? 
Like like be present, like come 

805
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:21,720
to Sunday morning worship. 
And then when you're here, 

806
00:40:21,720 --> 00:40:23,440
participate in Sunday morning 
worship. 

807
00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:28,040
The second thing I would say is 
like being part of the body is, 

808
00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:32,240
is finding a place to plug in, 
whether in in service that like 

809
00:40:32,240 --> 00:40:34,200
we talked about last time we 
talked, we talked about like, 

810
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:38,320
like actions and like talents 
are not our gifts necessarily, 

811
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:43,600
but like find somewhere that you
can serve other people in the 

812
00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:44,920
church. 
I think that's the that's the 

813
00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:47,360
second thing. 
And then like being here also 

814
00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:51,280
when we're here at other times, 
like don't just make Sunday 

815
00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:53,640
morning the only time that you 
come together. 

816
00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:57,320
Like we, we offer all sorts of 
things throughout the year, 

817
00:40:57,360 --> 00:40:58,840
specifically on Wednesday 
nights. 

818
00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:02,480
As far as corporate things that 
go, you know, we have we have 

819
00:41:04,240 --> 00:41:06,760
like studies that we're doing. 
You're doing one on the big 

820
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:09,840
picture of the Bible right now. 
I'm doing one on personal 

821
00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:12,360
spiritual disciplines and and 
everyday holiness and Pastor 

822
00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:15,880
Jake's doing well on parenting. 
Be here, come be a part of it. 

823
00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:18,800
Because honestly, more important
than the stuff we're teaching, 

824
00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:23,400
the conversations that we have 
afterwards, the things that that

825
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:27,280
that we discuss between the in 
the between times, right in that

826
00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:31,480
space that's between and before,
like before the thing and after 

827
00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:33,920
this, the teaching. 
Those are those are also very 

828
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:38,040
beneficial, a way that you can 
stay plugged in and like I, I 

829
00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:40,760
don't know about you, but like 
I've been approached and maybe 

830
00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:43,040
it's because of my position, but
I don't think so. 

831
00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:46,880
I think it's just because we're,
we're all seeking the Lord like 

832
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:50,120
approached with prayer request 
and like questions about like 

833
00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:52,720
how, like how they should 
approach some something going on

834
00:41:52,720 --> 00:41:56,280
in their life. 
And I've I've heard that from 

835
00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:58,440
others in our church too, that 
like, and I've seen it. 

836
00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:02,720
I've seen people praying for 
each other after a teaching like

837
00:42:02,720 --> 00:42:04,160
be here. 
That's the number one thing I 

838
00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:05,960
think that dudes like, if you 
want to be separate from the 

839
00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:09,000
body, the the fastest way to 
this just not show up. 

840
00:42:09,240 --> 00:42:10,320
Yeah. 
I don't know. 

841
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:12,120
Did that spur any like thoughts 
in your mind, Joel? 

842
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:15,440
Yeah, I like that, the idea of 
action. 

843
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:18,720
Again, I don't want to put my 
own experience on anyone else, 

844
00:42:18,720 --> 00:42:20,760
but I'll think myself into 
circles. 

845
00:42:21,240 --> 00:42:24,040
I'll just ruminate on a thought.
What do I, what should I do? 

846
00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:25,040
Should I do this? 
Should I do that? 

847
00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:29,360
What are the pros or the cons? 
And then a month, two months, 

848
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:32,320
six months, a year will go by 
and I'm still thinking I should 

849
00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:36,160
just just do something right, 
just commit to an action. 

850
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:40,080
And yeah, I like that. 
Yeah, I think that's that's a 

851
00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:42,680
good point too. 
Like just try, you know what I 

852
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:45,800
mean? 
Like just try something like put

853
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:48,240
yourself out there and if it 
doesn't, if it's not something 

854
00:42:48,240 --> 00:42:50,760
that you find beneficial, try 
something else. 

855
00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:52,080
Don't give up in that moment, 
Right. 

856
00:42:52,080 --> 00:42:52,920
So that's good. 
Yeah. 

857
00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:56,640
And this and this goes back to 
the whole point of like as if, 

858
00:42:56,760 --> 00:43:00,040
as if us as a church are just 
trying to fill a position. 

859
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:02,600
And then once we get you in 
there, we're going to like lock 

860
00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:05,240
the door and like, oh, now 
you're stuck here forever, like.

861
00:43:05,240 --> 00:43:07,040
We did like we did to Joel in 
college. 

862
00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:09,680
Frank and Anthony for life in 
the youth department. 

863
00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:14,560
That is not the goal. 
Like the goal is to find the 

864
00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:19,200
area that you're gifted in so 
that you feel empowered to do 

865
00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:21,480
that. 
And that's the thing, right? 

866
00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:24,040
Like you can sort of tell like 
if you're serving in an area of 

867
00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:27,640
ministry and it's like, oh, 
another meeting. 

868
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:30,920
Oh, this is driving me. 
Not like I, this is, don't get 

869
00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:32,800
me wrong there. 
Maybe maybe you do have someone 

870
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:34,120
who's just calling Shaban 
meetings. 

871
00:43:34,120 --> 00:43:36,520
I don't know. 
But, but the point is that it's 

872
00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:40,960
like, if you love what you're 
doing in the area that you're 

873
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:43,800
serving, and even if that is 
like an usher, a parking lot 

874
00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:45,600
attendant or whatever, and 
you're just like, man, I just 

875
00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:48,440
love greeting people and saying 
hi and showing them where to 

876
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:52,120
park and, and being that first 
person that meets them, then it 

877
00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:54,120
doesn't, then the sacrifice 
means nothing to you. 

878
00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:56,640
You're like, I'll get up early 
in the morning, I'll skip 

879
00:43:56,640 --> 00:43:59,280
breakfast, I'll go there like, 
because I want to do that. 

880
00:43:59,960 --> 00:44:03,520
But it's like, if you hate every
second of it, then by all means,

881
00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:06,440
we would encourage you. 
You have not found the area that

882
00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:09,080
you should be serving in. 
And we would encourage you to 

883
00:44:09,080 --> 00:44:12,000
find that right area. 
And so it is about finding an 

884
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:15,560
area that you feel gifted and 
empowered in and you will want 

885
00:44:15,560 --> 00:44:17,160
to serve, You will want to do 
it. 

886
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:21,520
Yeah, yeah. 
So find a place, show up first, 

887
00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:23,000
right? 
And then find a place to plug 

888
00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:24,880
in. 
I think those are like 2 easy 

889
00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:28,240
ways. 
And then of course, like we're 

890
00:44:28,240 --> 00:44:31,360
going to always suggest 
discipleship groups. 

891
00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:33,760
I think you're in a sub ship 
group too. 

892
00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:37,920
So like I think that that's 
that's where you're going to 

893
00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:41,200
grow the most as far as your own
personal spiritual life goes. 

894
00:44:42,240 --> 00:44:44,320
If you're not growing in that, 
maybe the group's not right and 

895
00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:47,120
you need to figure out that too,
like switch the group up, 

896
00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:49,760
whatever. 
But it's important for us to 

897
00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:53,080
like be in the word together. 
Like I think that's the one way 

898
00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:56,280
you're going to grow together. 
Is, is being in the word 

899
00:44:56,640 --> 00:44:58,480
together. 
We're reading the same plan. 

900
00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:01,480
We're we're we're journaling on 
the same scripture. 

901
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:06,320
And and like what Joel finds in 
like, so say your song, what 

902
00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:10,440
stood out to you is, is like the
primary point, like it might not

903
00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:12,000
be what stood out to me most in 
that. 

904
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:14,840
And like what I've, what I come 
to it from and you bring to it. 

905
00:45:15,080 --> 00:45:17,840
And we come to this, this idea. 
We can just talk to talk about 

906
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:20,280
it. 
And maybe maybe you correct me. 

907
00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:21,840
And that's, that's a good thing,
right? 

908
00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:24,080
It's not like knowing all the 
answers. 

909
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:28,320
It's about being like teachable 
and and sharpening one another, 

910
00:45:28,720 --> 00:45:32,400
rubbing off the hard the the 
rough spots as we work together 

911
00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:35,920
to for unity. 
Yeah, I think that's great. 

912
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:38,280
And I think I think because both
of those things are important. 

913
00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:42,000
And as far as being connected to
the body, which is 1, you know, 

914
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:44,960
come to Sunday morning, come to 
Wednesday night Bible study in 

915
00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:48,600
both of those areas, it's like 
you will be taking in, you will 

916
00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:51,760
be being fed in the discipleship
group, same thing. 

917
00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:55,760
You are going to be receiving 
the benefits of being connected 

918
00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:57,840
to the body. 
You're going to grow spiritually

919
00:45:58,200 --> 00:46:01,920
through other people's gifts and
then finding opportunities to, 

920
00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:05,240
to then serve and to use your 
gifts for others. 

921
00:46:05,240 --> 00:46:08,840
And, and I want to just quickly 
make a distinction between like 

922
00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:14,160
like acts of service as far and,
but also like maturing the body 

923
00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:17,000
because I think I think too 
often we can go like, OK, well, 

924
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:19,400
I come to church, so I receive 
the spiritual benefit and then I

925
00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:21,160
stack chairs and that's how I 
serve. 

926
00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:23,840
And that's great. 
Stacking chairs is great. 

927
00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:25,760
We need people to stack chairs 
at times, right? 

928
00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:30,280
A lot of times. 
I remember hearing Tim Hawkins 

929
00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:32,400
say he's like, you never want 
someone to come up to you and 

930
00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:34,600
say you have the gift of service
because you know what that 

931
00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:35,560
means. 
They're going to turn around. 

932
00:46:35,560 --> 00:46:36,920
And say we need somebody to 
start stacking. 

933
00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:43,320
Triggers but but in my mind it's
like your service to others is 

934
00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:44,680
to help them grow in their 
faith. 

935
00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:47,600
Like you should never see 
yourself as being less than 

936
00:46:47,600 --> 00:46:51,240
someone who someone else can 
grow from like you said. 

937
00:46:51,240 --> 00:46:53,680
Whether that's praying for 
someone after the service or 

938
00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:56,360
sharing an insight from 
Scripture or something that 

939
00:46:56,360 --> 00:47:00,080
God's been showing you. 
If you've had a conversation 

940
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:02,080
with me in the last month, 
you've probably heard me talk 

941
00:47:02,080 --> 00:47:04,640
about John chapter 6. 
I've been sharing this with 

942
00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:06,920
everybody. 
You know, when, when Jesus says 

943
00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:09,360
to Philip, Hey, where are we 
going to get enough food for all

944
00:47:09,360 --> 00:47:11,200
these people? 
And it's like, I've been 

945
00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:12,680
applying that to the life of our
church. 

946
00:47:12,680 --> 00:47:15,720
It's like God seems to be giving
our church growth right now. 

947
00:47:15,720 --> 00:47:17,760
And it seems to be that God's, 
you know, nudging us on the 

948
00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:19,520
shoulder going, it's like, Hey, 
what are you going to do with 

949
00:47:19,520 --> 00:47:24,120
all these people? 
And so it's like, how, how, what

950
00:47:24,120 --> 00:47:26,520
are you learning in God's Word 
and how can you share that with 

951
00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:30,000
other people and how can you 
grow them and grow their faith? 

952
00:47:30,040 --> 00:47:33,880
And so don't just see yourself 
as like, you know, changing 

953
00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:36,480
light bulbs, stacking chairs, 
but like you could you actually 

954
00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:39,000
have something in your spiritual
life that other people can 

955
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:41,800
benefit from? 
And they're not going to grow 

956
00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:44,520
the way they should until you're
doing that because, you know, we

957
00:47:44,520 --> 00:47:48,360
can't reach everybody, right? 
Sort of along those lines, what 

958
00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:52,800
would you guys say to someone 
who has been coming to this 

959
00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:58,320
church for maybe decades and 
they don't feel connected, like,

960
00:47:58,480 --> 00:48:00,160
like they don't feel connected 
to the body. 

961
00:48:00,520 --> 00:48:02,480
They, they, they're just, 
they've made me feel like 

962
00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:04,560
they're, they're part of the 
body just because they've always

963
00:48:04,560 --> 00:48:08,240
been part of the body, but 
they're not, they're not feeling

964
00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:10,040
connected. 
What would you, what would you 

965
00:48:10,080 --> 00:48:13,680
encourage that person to do or 
what would you like encourage 

966
00:48:13,680 --> 00:48:15,200
the church to do for those 
people? 

967
00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:20,640
Yeah, I, I, I have, I'll, I'll 
give you a moment to thank Joel.

968
00:48:23,080 --> 00:48:24,960
I have, I have two things in my 
mind. 

969
00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:28,000
What one is 1 is our obligation 
as pastors. 

970
00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:32,320
You know, we're the shepherds. 
And so we need to be, we need to

971
00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:35,040
be doing what we can to give 
people opportunities to make 

972
00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:37,240
connections. 
And so there's an element to 

973
00:48:37,240 --> 00:48:40,480
like, if our people aren't 
connecting, what, what role are 

974
00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:41,840
we playing in that? 
Right. 

975
00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:45,160
And so, and the other element is
like your personal 

976
00:48:45,160 --> 00:48:49,080
responsibility, you know, like, 
you know, if if you're coming to

977
00:48:49,080 --> 00:48:51,920
church is just to stand in the 
corner and wait for someone to 

978
00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:54,120
come and then you leave and you 
say nobody came and talked to 

979
00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:56,520
me. 
My question is going to be, 

980
00:48:56,520 --> 00:48:58,480
well, did you go talk to anybody
else? 

981
00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:01,280
Because I think it's easy for 
people to look at, you know, a 

982
00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:03,960
person like me and think like, 
oh, well, it's easy for him. 

983
00:49:03,960 --> 00:49:08,560
And, and you know, granted I'm a
pastor, it's not easy for me. 

984
00:49:08,560 --> 00:49:11,240
I, I feel just as uncomfortable 
as anybody, right? 

985
00:49:11,240 --> 00:49:12,520
Like starting a new 
conversation. 

986
00:49:12,520 --> 00:49:15,160
It's like it's hard and it's 
awkward. 

987
00:49:15,160 --> 00:49:18,400
And I put my foot in my mouth 
more times than I can count 

988
00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:21,040
because of, you know, you're, 
you feel that tension. 

989
00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:24,480
But I just make it my mission to
go, all right, I'm done talking 

990
00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:26,080
to this person. 
They left, they walked out the 

991
00:49:26,080 --> 00:49:28,000
door. 
I turn around and go, OK, who? 

992
00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:30,760
I'll go talk to that guy. 
And I just walk around and I do 

993
00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:32,640
that. 
And it's literally just that 

994
00:49:32,640 --> 00:49:35,760
simple. 
And so I want to, I want to take

995
00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:38,080
the responsibility that we have 
to be able to give people 

996
00:49:38,080 --> 00:49:40,760
opportunities to make 
connections, but also recognize 

997
00:49:40,760 --> 00:49:44,880
that each person you know, you, 
you can take a step and, and 

998
00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:48,680
it's uncomfortable, I know, but 
you can take a step too and 

999
00:49:48,680 --> 00:49:51,280
start a conversation, get to 
know some folks and, and try to 

1000
00:49:51,280 --> 00:49:54,880
make some connections. 
Yeah, I think you said pretty 

1001
00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:59,960
good, not an ad there. 
No, I mean, I know like there 

1002
00:49:59,960 --> 00:50:01,320
are quiet people in our church, 
right? 

1003
00:50:01,320 --> 00:50:04,120
Like Joel, before I like, like 
before I got to know you, I 

1004
00:50:04,120 --> 00:50:06,160
would consider you like one of 
the quiet people in the church 

1005
00:50:06,160 --> 00:50:09,080
just standing over here. 
I'm talking to one person at a 

1006
00:50:09,080 --> 00:50:11,600
time. 
And and that's it's fine. 

1007
00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:12,480
Get to know. 
So what? 

1008
00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:14,640
Once you get to know somebody, 
you feel more comfortable with 

1009
00:50:14,640 --> 00:50:16,640
them. 
And, and I think that's just a, 

1010
00:50:16,680 --> 00:50:20,120
that you have to take a step to,
to make that connection. 

1011
00:50:20,120 --> 00:50:22,880
Like the other thing is don't be
so busy and ready to get out of 

1012
00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:25,480
here. 
Like, like that would be what 

1013
00:50:25,480 --> 00:50:26,760
I'd recommend too. 
If you're not, if you're not 

1014
00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:28,920
connecting with the church, I'm 
asking you, well, how long do 

1015
00:50:28,920 --> 00:50:31,560
you hang around after the church
service is over? 

1016
00:50:31,560 --> 00:50:33,560
Do you go grab your kids and 
just bolt to your car because 

1017
00:50:33,560 --> 00:50:37,080
you got to go do whatever, then 
you're not going to be connected

1018
00:50:37,080 --> 00:50:39,920
to the church. 
And so, yeah, I noticed that 

1019
00:50:40,080 --> 00:50:43,040
Joel's almost always the last 
one to leave, which is good. 

1020
00:50:43,840 --> 00:50:46,280
It's good because like what 
you're giving yourself the 

1021
00:50:46,280 --> 00:50:49,160
opportunity to do, though, is to
have a conversation with 

1022
00:50:49,160 --> 00:50:51,080
someone, a meaningful 
conversation with people. 

1023
00:50:51,080 --> 00:50:54,040
And so, and I've even noticed 
there's a couple of newer people

1024
00:50:54,040 --> 00:50:56,880
that are here and they're, 
they're like fighting Joel and 

1025
00:50:56,880 --> 00:50:58,600
Courtney to be the last people 
out the door. 

1026
00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:00,680
And it's good. 
I think that's like a good 

1027
00:51:00,680 --> 00:51:02,840
example. 
But I think you're right, Joe. 

1028
00:51:02,840 --> 00:51:07,720
I think like the onus is on, 
it's on us as pastors to like do

1029
00:51:07,720 --> 00:51:11,000
our best to connect people. 
But at the end of the day, the 

1030
00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:13,000
responsibility to connect is on 
you. 

1031
00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:17,560
Like you have to, you have to 
reach out and you never know. 

1032
00:51:17,600 --> 00:51:19,920
But the reason that other people
aren't reaching out might be the

1033
00:51:19,920 --> 00:51:22,840
same reason you're not, they're 
shy or they don't, you know, 

1034
00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:23,840
whatever. 
I don't know. 

1035
00:51:23,840 --> 00:51:26,800
But anyway, I thought it was 
just a good, you're not 

1036
00:51:26,800 --> 00:51:29,000
connected to the body, you feel 
like you're not well, what are 

1037
00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:30,040
you doing about it? 
So. 

1038
00:51:30,320 --> 00:51:32,280
Yeah. 
And I and I will say too, it's 

1039
00:51:32,280 --> 00:51:35,480
like our our foyer is. 
The worst foyer? 

1040
00:51:35,480 --> 00:51:40,280
No foyer. 
It is literally the worst, OK? 

1041
00:51:40,280 --> 00:51:44,320
It is like you're you're you got
250 people in a sanctuary and 

1042
00:51:44,320 --> 00:51:47,240
then you funnel them like an 
hourglass through this like 

1043
00:51:47,240 --> 00:51:49,560
narrow hallway and it's like 
it's crowded. 

1044
00:51:49,560 --> 00:51:51,920
It's loud. 
My ears are ringing. 

1045
00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:54,360
If I'm having a conversation in 
there, it hurts. 

1046
00:51:54,840 --> 00:51:57,320
And it's like people, some 
people I think just can't stand 

1047
00:51:57,320 --> 00:51:58,960
it. 
And I I totally understand that.

1048
00:51:59,520 --> 00:52:02,280
And sometimes I'll just be like,
hey, let's go in the sanctuary. 

1049
00:52:02,280 --> 00:52:03,960
I was. 
Thinking about the young adults,

1050
00:52:03,960 --> 00:52:06,200
when you said that you you're 
looking for young adults after a

1051
00:52:06,200 --> 00:52:07,640
service, just go back in the 
sanctuary. 

1052
00:52:07,640 --> 00:52:09,000
They're all just hanging on 
there still. 

1053
00:52:09,640 --> 00:52:12,200
But yeah, and I and so there. 
But there are more intimate 

1054
00:52:12,200 --> 00:52:13,840
times that our church meets, 
right? 

1055
00:52:13,840 --> 00:52:17,720
Like on a Wednesday night, 
there's a little bit less people

1056
00:52:17,720 --> 00:52:19,760
here. 
It can be quite busy on a 

1057
00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:22,800
Wednesday night too, that every 
like once a month we're trying 

1058
00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:24,720
these Sunday nights. 
And so that's a more intimate 

1059
00:52:24,720 --> 00:52:27,040
gathering. 
And so maybe find an opportunity

1060
00:52:27,040 --> 00:52:29,760
to come back to the church where
it's a little bit less crazy, 

1061
00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:31,880
not as many folks around. 
And so that could give you an 

1062
00:52:31,880 --> 00:52:33,880
opportunity to make some other 
connections for sure. 

1063
00:52:34,240 --> 00:52:35,760
So. 
For sure. 

1064
00:52:35,840 --> 00:52:38,360
Well, that's good. 
I think that's all really 

1065
00:52:38,360 --> 00:52:40,640
helpful. 
Without Jake here, I can't ask 

1066
00:52:40,640 --> 00:52:41,800
him the question that I asked 
you. 

1067
00:52:41,800 --> 00:52:44,120
What's one thing, you know, 
maybe Jake can call into the 

1068
00:52:44,120 --> 00:52:48,600
radio program and let us know. 
But yeah, so one I kind of 

1069
00:52:48,600 --> 00:52:51,840
wanted to end on, I started 
something last week and I feel 

1070
00:52:51,840 --> 00:52:54,480
like now we have to keep it 
going is and that means we have 

1071
00:52:54,480 --> 00:52:57,640
to share things we like. 
And so Joel, you're our guest 

1072
00:52:57,640 --> 00:52:59,480
today. 
So what's one thing you like 

1073
00:52:59,480 --> 00:53:00,800
that you'd like to share with 
everybody? 

1074
00:53:01,720 --> 00:53:05,600
Yeah, Pastor Joe, I think, put 
it in the Signal chat a few 

1075
00:53:05,600 --> 00:53:09,720
weeks ago, the book Knowing God 
by Ji Packer. 

1076
00:53:10,240 --> 00:53:12,600
So I've been listening to that, 
not reading it. 

1077
00:53:12,600 --> 00:53:15,320
Joe was very clear that those 
weren't the same thing. 

1078
00:53:16,120 --> 00:53:21,360
But he but he counts them in his
in his book reading on the app. 

1079
00:53:21,360 --> 00:53:23,840
I'll do the same, so I do. 
Count as a book you read. 

1080
00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:26,800
Yes, I've been reading that in 
very small portions. 

1081
00:53:26,800 --> 00:53:29,160
It's like eating something 
that's very heavy. 

1082
00:53:29,160 --> 00:53:34,640
I can't understand everything at
once, so just been listening to 

1083
00:53:34,640 --> 00:53:37,440
short bits and then ruminating. 
Awesome. 

1084
00:53:37,800 --> 00:53:39,600
So yeah, that's been good. 
Yeah, Knowing God. 

1085
00:53:39,600 --> 00:53:42,800
I would recommend Knowing God as
well as a resource for you 

1086
00:53:44,520 --> 00:53:47,720
podcast listener. 
Joe yeah, I am. 

1087
00:53:47,840 --> 00:53:50,840
I'll highlight the book that 
I've been going through in our 

1088
00:53:50,840 --> 00:53:54,320
Wednesday night study. 
It's called God's Big Picture, a

1089
00:53:54,320 --> 00:53:57,800
Bible Overview. 
And what this book does is it 

1090
00:53:57,800 --> 00:54:01,840
just sort of takes, it's making 
the basic argument that the 

1091
00:54:01,840 --> 00:54:04,920
whole, but the whole Bible, even
though it's 66 different books 

1092
00:54:04,920 --> 00:54:08,160
by 40 different authors over the
span of, you know, 2000 years or

1093
00:54:08,160 --> 00:54:10,600
whatever, that it's, it's one 
story. 

1094
00:54:10,840 --> 00:54:14,280
It's an overarching story of 
God's plan of redemption. 

1095
00:54:14,320 --> 00:54:17,160
And so he begins by talking 
about like the pattern of the 

1096
00:54:17,160 --> 00:54:19,960
Kingdom. 
Everything was perfect in the 

1097
00:54:19,960 --> 00:54:21,920
garden. 
And then the perished Kingdom, 

1098
00:54:21,920 --> 00:54:24,360
sin entered the world. 
And then there was the promised 

1099
00:54:24,360 --> 00:54:28,080
Kingdom where God promises to 
make Abraham a great nation. 

1100
00:54:28,400 --> 00:54:31,560
And then you have the partial 
Kingdom, which is where some of 

1101
00:54:31,560 --> 00:54:33,920
these things are fulfilled in 
the people of Israel. 

1102
00:54:34,600 --> 00:54:36,600
And then there's the prophesied 
Kingdom. 

1103
00:54:36,600 --> 00:54:37,840
But it's like it. 
But it's. 

1104
00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:39,240
But they're still failing, 
right? 

1105
00:54:39,240 --> 00:54:41,720
Israel's still failing. 
And so there's a prophesied 

1106
00:54:41,720 --> 00:54:44,160
Kingdom coming about Christ, 
right? 

1107
00:54:44,160 --> 00:54:45,920
Yeah. 
And that's the present Kingdom, 

1108
00:54:45,920 --> 00:54:49,400
which Christ ushers in this new 
Kingdom of people who have his 

1109
00:54:49,400 --> 00:54:52,080
spirit. 
And we're going to go on in the 

1110
00:54:52,080 --> 00:54:55,000
next couple weeks to talk about 
the proclaimed Kingdom, which is

1111
00:54:55,000 --> 00:54:58,920
a coming Kingdom in the future 
and the perfected Kingdom. 

1112
00:54:58,920 --> 00:55:01,560
And so anyway, it's just, it's 
been a it's been an amazing book

1113
00:55:01,560 --> 00:55:03,360
to see how all these tie things 
tie together. 

1114
00:55:03,360 --> 00:55:05,000
And you and you shared a photo 
with me. 

1115
00:55:05,080 --> 00:55:09,000
Yeah, the other day of all of 
like the cross references. 

1116
00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:11,640
In the Bible. 
Of the Bible to itself, right? 

1117
00:55:12,040 --> 00:55:13,520
And it's like this giant 
rainbow. 

1118
00:55:13,720 --> 00:55:15,520
Yeah, well, they color code the 
lines and so. 

1119
00:55:15,560 --> 00:55:18,600
Yeah, and they put it in an arc 
and it's like the rainbow. 

1120
00:55:18,760 --> 00:55:20,880
And it's just showing how the 
Bible's all connected, right? 

1121
00:55:20,880 --> 00:55:24,560
They're they're not disjointed 
books that that have no relation

1122
00:55:24,560 --> 00:55:28,040
to one another, but it's like 
they all are tied together. 

1123
00:55:28,040 --> 00:55:29,760
Telling the same story. 
Telling the same. 

1124
00:55:29,760 --> 00:55:30,440
Story. 
Yeah. 

1125
00:55:30,440 --> 00:55:34,320
So God's big picture, it's a 
study, but it's also, there is 

1126
00:55:34,320 --> 00:55:37,440
also a book, it's basically 
biblical theology. 

1127
00:55:37,440 --> 00:55:40,280
So it's really, really good and 
very helpful for me. 

1128
00:55:40,280 --> 00:55:45,640
I would say The Joy of Hearing 
by Thomas Shriner in our Bible 

1129
00:55:45,640 --> 00:55:47,200
reading plan, we just got to 
Revelation. 

1130
00:55:48,120 --> 00:55:51,040
And this is a complicated, 
complex book for a lot of 

1131
00:55:51,040 --> 00:55:56,600
people, but Doctor Shriner, he 
makes it, He makes it seem 

1132
00:55:57,080 --> 00:56:00,640
joyful, like it's about Christ. 
And it's just a great book to 

1133
00:56:00,640 --> 00:56:03,960
read to supplement any kind of 
study in Revelation. 

1134
00:56:05,280 --> 00:56:08,080
Yeah, he get, he doesn't get too
much into the controversial 

1135
00:56:08,080 --> 00:56:11,200
things. 
His point in that book is is 

1136
00:56:11,200 --> 00:56:13,120
pointing to Christ. 
And so it's really, really good.

1137
00:56:13,120 --> 00:56:15,880
So, yeah. 
So those are things we like. 

1138
00:56:15,880 --> 00:56:18,920
We'll put a link to all of those
things in the show notes. 

1139
00:56:20,840 --> 00:56:22,040
Yeah, I think that wraps up our 
time. 

1140
00:56:22,040 --> 00:56:23,160
Anything else Joe you want to 
add? 

1141
00:56:23,280 --> 00:56:25,920
Yeah, I just want to bounce just
for a second off of the 

1142
00:56:25,920 --> 00:56:26,840
revelation. 
I I. 

1143
00:56:26,960 --> 00:56:28,440
We talked about this. 
We're not getting into 

1144
00:56:28,440 --> 00:56:30,560
controversial things. 
Within 6 minutes I'm. 

1145
00:56:30,560 --> 00:56:32,280
Sorry, not no, not 
controversial. 

1146
00:56:33,080 --> 00:56:37,360
I just I was struck by so again 
at the beginning of revelation, 

1147
00:56:37,360 --> 00:56:40,040
it's like this is the revelation
of Jesus Christ, which is a 

1148
00:56:40,040 --> 00:56:42,240
helpful reminder to us. 
It's like all these things are 

1149
00:56:42,240 --> 00:56:45,280
coming as a result of Christ and
the authority that he now has 

1150
00:56:46,360 --> 00:56:49,640
given to him by God. 
And so, but in verse three, it 

1151
00:56:49,640 --> 00:56:53,480
says, blessed is the one who 
reads aloud the words of this 

1152
00:56:53,480 --> 00:56:59,520
prophecy, and blessed are those 
who hear and who keep what is 

1153
00:56:59,520 --> 00:57:02,320
written in it, for the time is 
near. 

1154
00:57:02,320 --> 00:57:05,840
And I, that struck me so much. 
And it has shaped every single 

1155
00:57:05,840 --> 00:57:10,560
chapter that I've read so that 
I'm like, we're blessed if we 

1156
00:57:10,640 --> 00:57:13,320
read it, if we hear it, and if 
we obey it. 

1157
00:57:14,760 --> 00:57:18,920
It's a book to be obeyed. 
Yeah, it's not a book to be 

1158
00:57:18,920 --> 00:57:22,840
dissected. 
And you know what ruler of the 

1159
00:57:22,840 --> 00:57:27,040
world today correlates with what
ruler in the No, This is a book 

1160
00:57:27,440 --> 00:57:31,120
that is supposed to lead us into
worship of our Savior that we 

1161
00:57:31,120 --> 00:57:34,400
are to obey. 
And so every single chapter I'm 

1162
00:57:34,400 --> 00:57:38,640
looking for something to be 
obedient to and I, and it's, 

1163
00:57:38,840 --> 00:57:41,360
it's transformed me, right? 
It transformed and it is a book 

1164
00:57:41,360 --> 00:57:43,720
about the future, right? 
But it's transforming me from 

1165
00:57:43,720 --> 00:57:47,120
like just looking ahead or 
looking around me to going, 

1166
00:57:47,720 --> 00:57:50,280
there's something in this for me
to actually obey. 

1167
00:57:50,280 --> 00:57:53,080
And so I, I just wanted to give 
that as an encouragement to the 

1168
00:57:53,080 --> 00:57:57,000
church that and I get there's 
going to be all that other stuff

1169
00:57:57,080 --> 00:58:00,960
and whatever, but don't focus on
all those external things like 

1170
00:58:00,960 --> 00:58:03,440
focus on your heart and how you 
can be obedient. 

1171
00:58:03,440 --> 00:58:06,440
Yeah, One example of that, not 
focusing on the external things,

1172
00:58:06,440 --> 00:58:08,920
like, right. 
So like in chapter 4, it talks 

1173
00:58:08,920 --> 00:58:12,360
about the 24 elders who who have
their Thrones around the throne,

1174
00:58:12,360 --> 00:58:12,840
right. 
Yeah. 

1175
00:58:13,000 --> 00:58:14,520
But what are they doing? 
Yeah. 

1176
00:58:14,520 --> 00:58:16,840
Like that's not important for us
to, like, think about who they 

1177
00:58:16,840 --> 00:58:19,040
are, right. 
And like why they have a why 

1178
00:58:19,040 --> 00:58:21,280
they have a certain higher 
position than others in heaven. 

1179
00:58:21,680 --> 00:58:23,280
That's interesting, but it's not
the point. 

1180
00:58:23,280 --> 00:58:24,720
The point is that what are they 
doing? 

1181
00:58:25,040 --> 00:58:27,880
Like says that there are 
creatures who who were created 

1182
00:58:27,880 --> 00:58:31,320
that to do this constantly to 
sing our holy, holy, holy hymn, 

1183
00:58:31,320 --> 00:58:32,320
right? 
Where we get that from? 

1184
00:58:33,680 --> 00:58:36,400
They do it non-stop. 
And then it says while they're 

1185
00:58:36,400 --> 00:58:38,160
doing that every time they're 
doing that. 

1186
00:58:38,160 --> 00:58:42,520
So non-stop, the elders are 
praising God face down around 

1187
00:58:42,520 --> 00:58:44,680
the throne. 
And the the point is for us to 

1188
00:58:44,680 --> 00:58:45,560
worship. 
So that's the thing. 

1189
00:58:45,560 --> 00:58:47,960
We should obey. 
It's just really exciting to see

1190
00:58:47,960 --> 00:58:50,600
that. 
And when you look at it like, 

1191
00:58:50,800 --> 00:58:54,560
like, what am I supposed to do 
with this instead of like, can I

1192
00:58:54,560 --> 00:58:56,240
figure this out? 
And when this is happening, who 

1193
00:58:56,240 --> 00:58:58,800
is this is, what is this? 
What is this supposed to do? 

1194
00:58:59,080 --> 00:59:00,280
What is this teaching me about 
Christ? 

1195
00:59:00,280 --> 00:59:01,560
And what am I supposed to obey 
here? 

1196
00:59:01,680 --> 00:59:03,400
I think it's such a good, good 
reminder. 

1197
00:59:03,400 --> 00:59:06,240
So, yeah, that's our revelation 
minute. 

1198
00:59:06,280 --> 00:59:11,320
So Revelations, that's only one 
revelation. 

1199
00:59:12,480 --> 00:59:14,520
Yeah. 
Joel, thank you for taking the 

1200
00:59:14,520 --> 00:59:16,640
time out of your busy day. 
You took off work to come in 

1201
00:59:16,640 --> 00:59:19,440
here for lunch and it's been 
longer than lunch, so we 

1202
00:59:19,440 --> 00:59:21,720
appreciate you to making a 
sacrifice to be with us today. 

1203
00:59:21,760 --> 00:59:23,560
Yeah. 
Thank you for having me on here.

1204
00:59:23,560 --> 00:59:25,520
Yeah, we've been really 
appreciating this podcast. 

1205
00:59:25,520 --> 00:59:27,680
It's been really good. 
Well, we hope to do it again, 

1206
00:59:27,760 --> 00:59:29,560
like we'll bring you on again as
another guest. 

1207
00:59:29,560 --> 00:59:32,280
So. 
So be ready for that. 

1208
00:59:32,280 --> 00:59:35,200
Yeah. 
Joe, thanks again for for 

1209
00:59:35,200 --> 00:59:37,120
joining me. 
Pastor Jake, we missed you. 

1210
00:59:37,720 --> 00:59:40,800
We look forward to to another 
conversation again next week. 

1211
00:59:41,000 --> 00:59:42,720
Until then, LMC, we're praying 
for you. 

1212
00:59:42,720 --> 00:59:45,240
We love you. 
Reach out with your questions. 

1213
00:59:45,240 --> 00:59:47,520
We're happy to answer them. 
Have a great week.