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What does the nanny do? 
 
OK, so we're done. 

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Goodbye. 
 
You. 

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Shut it off. 
 
Do not twist my words. 

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Do not make me a victim. 
 
Sweetie, Just look at the 

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mountain. 
 
That's what you saw that day. 

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Just the knife in the kidneys. 

Over. 

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All these. 
 
Years and the sacrifices that I 

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made to love you. 
 
The season finale of Season 4. 

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Finally. 
 
Finally. 

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Finale. 
 
Finally is happening to me. 

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We are leaving the nest. 
 
Leaving the nest. 

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Exciting stuff. 
 
Yeah. 

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I believe we are going to start 
 with a little bit of an update 

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from something that someone 
 
shared with us a comment. 

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We have a little corrections. 
 
Course Yeah, from a Patreon 

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listener. 
 
Yeah, who shared what with us, 

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darling? 
 
Kody perhaps is not wearing a 

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Prada shirt. 
 
Perhaps it is. 

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Guess the brand logo looks 
 
pretty much exactly the same. 

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However, Prada is the one that 

usually puts like the metal 

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triangle logo on things and I 
 
think that guess puts the metal 

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logo on like purses and certain 
 items but not on everything 

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like Prada does. 
 
So it's still up in the air. 

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But either way, it's a more 
 
expensive shirt than what he is 

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used to wearing. 
 
Right. 

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Used to see him in SO. 
 
Yeah, and when I did a Google 

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search for men's shirts with 
 
guest logos, it was big, like 

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graphic tee kind of vibes, like 
 a guest T-shirt. 

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Like gaudy in your face, giant 

graphic as opposed to like a 

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metal emblem, yes. 
 
I don't know. 

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Who knows, but I mean I can see 
 why someone would say that. 

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It's probably most likely not 
 
Prada and it probably is 

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something different like guess 

or whatever, but we did try to 

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look up the shirt and did not 
 
find it. 

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So if anyone does, we share 
 
because I would be very curious.

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Going back in time to find a tan

 long sleeved button up guest 

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shirt. 
 
I don't know, it looked like a 

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Banana Republic. 
 
I am probably going to go on a 

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jungle safari type of shirt, 
 
but. 

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So back to Leaving the Nest, 
 
which is the title of the 11th 

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episode of Season 4. 1 Flew out 
 of the Cuckoo's Nest Alana 

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Logan is flying out of the 
cuckoo's 
 nest. 

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Definitely a cuckoo nest with 
 
the Brown family. 

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They start the episode with an 

update from Logan that he's 

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graduating this year. 
 
He had been interested in five 

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different schools and had 
 
narrowed it down to two, being 

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Southern Utah University Suu, 
 
which I struggled with following

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a little bit because of the way 
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It sounded like there was AC in 
 there to me. 

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It sounded like there was AC in 
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Southern city, Utah at 1st and 

then like city was in there 

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somewhere. 
 
I don't know. 

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It was very hard to understand 

them, and also their U's and the

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V's sounded kind of similar 
 
during all of this, so it got 

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complicated. 
 
There's that Utah accent, much 

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like our Minnesota. 
 
Accent. 

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And so he's looking at Southern 
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which I believe is University of

 Nevada, Las Vegas. 

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We're at Janelle's house and the

 parents are talking about 

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Logan graduating and they just 
want 
 him around still because 

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they need that big bro energy. 

Oh God. 

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They need that Big Brother 
 
energy around them. 

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Yeah, they totally do. 
 
What? 

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Are we going to do without one 

of our babysitters? 

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Oh, no, the pressure they're 
 
putting on this kid because they

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need this around, like this good

 influence, this Big Brother 

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influence around the little 
 
kids, it's just not even fair. 

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Yeah, it's just so unfair. 
 
There's other Big Brothers now 

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in the picture that have never 

had to have that Big Brother 

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energy or step up. 
 
And so I don't think that 

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they'll be able to take on or 
 
take over the same role that 

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Logan has done. 
 
But to be putting that on him 

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and he's looking for his future 
 and all excited about this is 

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just yucky to me. 
 
Yeah, luckily it doesn't seem 

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too intense in the sense that we

 do hear from the parents 

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throughout the episode that they

 are trying to be open to 

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letting him make his own 
decisions and 
 blah, blah blah.

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So at least the narrative for 
 
the whole episode isn't them 

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being like don't leave because 

like that would be horrible. 

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Well, they're not coming out and

 saying that to us, but Logan 

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talks about it and he says that 
 his family is a distraction. 

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We'll get into Logan's view on 

trying to escape his family 

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basically escape. 
 
So it's like, OK, they might not

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be coming across and saying it 

to the cameras, but obviously 

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he's feeling some sort of 
 
pressure for some sort of 

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reason. 
 
Kody is worried that the other 

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big kids, the older kids are 
 
going to convince him to go to 

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Utah because they're about to go

 on this little road trip and 

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he is worried they're going to 

convince him of it. 

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Yeah, Logan and some of his 
 
sisters are going to tour 

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Southern Utah University, and 
 
it's just such a great 

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opportunity to take a road trip.

 

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Road trip, road trip. 
Janelle and Kody are telling 
 

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Logan that they're looking to 
get a big house, a big home, a 


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home big enough to have Logan 
stay at home if he wanted to. 
 

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Oh, there might be 6 bedrooms. 
There might be an office. 
 

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There might be place for you. 
Logan. 
 

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Meanwhile, you're right, he's 
trying to plan his escape from 


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the family. 
They show him on the couch 
 

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talking a little bit here in the
first few minutes. 
 

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And he seems so dejected, like I
wrote down yeah, that he just 
 

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seems very like he's kind of 
calculating what to say cuz he 


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doesn't want to come out and 
maybe say anything bad. 
 

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But I just get this energy from 
him that he's like super nervous

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 about making this decision 
more for other people than for 


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himself. 
And then Janelle says that she's

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 worried about the Mormon 
religion ties being severed if 


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he stays in Las Vegas, and she 
thinks that she maybe hasn't 
 

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instilled the religion in him 
enough and that he will cut ties

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 with it. 
Which is not the first time 
 

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we've heard this from Janelle. 
And, you know, it's interesting 

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 to come from her because she 
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outspoken about a lot of things.
So for her to care about this, 


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it's like, OK, all right. 
And Kody tells Janelle, you 
 

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know, he's a blink kid. 
So, you know, in Utah, we were, 

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polygamous. 
 

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So if he goes to a school that 
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 outsider there as well. 
I don't really know how to gauge

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 that because I was not a 
polygamous child in Utah. 
 

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And I do know what it's like to 
feel like an outsider, but I 
 

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don't know how real that is on, 
like, a university campus. 
 

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Like I don't know what that 
means. 
 

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Not sure I can see in grade 
school and high school feeling 


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that way. 
And maybe there will be other 
 

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plague kids at this college 
though, so there might be a 
 

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separate community for someone 
who is like coming from a family

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 situation like his. 
So I don't know about that. 
 

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Well, also when you go to 
college, I'm just imagining 
 

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like, it's not like when I went 
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all of my background and here's 
my family beliefs and here's 
 

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whatever. 
It's like you just you, you're 


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starting a new life. 
You know, like you don't have to

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You're literally an adult going 

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 into the world. 
And that's what Logan says. 
 

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As soon as I'm 18, it's my life.
And I was like, yes, right. 
 

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Amen. 
Power to the people, power to 
 

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Logan. 
They show the kids driving to 
 

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Suu. 
Logan has a little bit here 
 

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where he talks about how he is 
up in the air about being 
 

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plagued himself and he says that
people just assume that since 
 

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he's from a plague family and 
he's the oldest of the kids that

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 he's for sure going to be a 
plague and that it's been 
 

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instilled in him completely. 
Then they cut to Kody again 
 

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saying that he has anxiety about
his religious teachings. 
 

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So Kody is saying that he agrees
with Janelle about having a 
 

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little anxiety about this. 
And then Logan in a separate 
 

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clip is talking about how he's 
up in the air about being a 
 

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plague. 
So we are getting a wishy washy,

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 a little triangle here from 
everybody about the religious 
 

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aspect. 
On this road trip to go visit 
 

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Southern Utah University. 
Joining Logan on this adventure,

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 this pilgrimage is Aspen, Leon
and Maddie. 
 

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So it's fun to see Aspen 
actually participating because 


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when the kids went back to 
Lehigh in a recent episode, 
 

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Aspen was nowhere to be seen. 
None of Christine's kids went. 


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None of Christine's kids were 
alive. 
 

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It was kind of fun. 
I always like seeing Aspen and 


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she only gets these little 
blurbs and it's like, Oh yeah, 


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of course as we. 
Come to choice. 
 

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Well, and as we come to find 
out, she was basically being a 


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mother to Christine's children. 
That was a bit harsh, but you 
 

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know. 
She's having a step up. 
 

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Yeah, she was the built in 
babysitter, just like Logan. 
 

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Just like all the older kids, 
apparently. 
 

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Yeah, they get to Suu and Sydney
Perky Sydney is going to take 
 

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them on a tour. 
Oh, Sydney Logan mentions that 


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she has a conviction for her 
school. 
 

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It's very apparent that she 
likes the school and has a 
 

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conviction for it based on the 
tour and her attitude. 
 

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Got this language they use it 
was. 
 

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Logan starts in with the My 
family is a distraction 
 

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sometimes my family is a 
distraction sometimes. 
 

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He literally said that he is 
saying that if he stays around 


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his family that he doesn't know 
if he'll focus on college enough

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drawing him in and distracting 


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him. 
Essentially they need him too 
 

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much. 
This just put a bad taste in my 

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And you can tell he's trying to 

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 temper what he is saying. 
He's trying to be respectful and

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 say it in a way that's not. 
I need to get the fuck away from

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 my family. 
They, they expect too much of me

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 or I'm being used as a 
babysitter. 
 

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I don't have a normal childhood.
I've grown up too fast. 
 

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But that is, it's like, read 
between the lines, like what's 


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behind the eyes, you know? 
Yeah, they do. 
 

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Cut to a moment where they're 
asking some of the siblings 
 

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about their thoughts about 
Southern Utah University, and 
 

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Leon says I think it's nice. 
And Aspen says it's boring. 
 

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It's a little Hick town. 
A little Hick town. 
 

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Which I love. 
It's like, Oh my gosh, Aspen, so

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 good. 
I know a thing or two about Hick

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 towns. 
This is that we both know a 
 

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thing or two about Hick towns. 
And yeah, you know, if you have 

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 an opportunity to go to school 
not in Hick town, I would 
 

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suggest taking it. 
But I also went to school in 
 

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Hick town, so you know, it's OK.
Logan talks about the benefits 


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of Suu, how there are smaller 
classes and it's out of town. 
 

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It is God, it is far away from 
Vegas, so he's not mad about 
 

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that. 
Far away that he wouldn't be 
 

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able to, like, drive back there 
at a moment's notice and be 
 

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expected to do things, yeah. 
Make the kids breakfast before 


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school. 
Right. 
 

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And Oh my gosh, we are having a 
character return, a character 
 

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return for the season finale. 
The revival of Mona. 
 

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Mona is back with us. 
So we have returned to Vegas. 
 

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The camera crew, the producers 
that brought us back to the Sin 

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 City. 
The adults are going to meet 
 

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with Mona and look at a model 
home in the sub development 
 

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where they're interested in 
these properties, where they've 

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 told their kids they're getting
these properties. 
 

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They haven't done that yet, but 
there's the sub development. 
 

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They're meeting Mona, going to 
look at a model home now. 
 

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This was an interesting scene 
because this is the first time 


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we get to see inside what their 
potential homes will look like. 

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Grandiose. 

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Yeah, very grandiose. 
 
Very grand for for this 

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polygamist family. 
 
You know, I do look back on the 

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Lehigh home fondly with kinder 

eyes, as Mover Rose would say. 

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Then, then I would have in the 

past. 

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But yeah, it's kind of a 
 
shithole. 

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So these homes are literally 
 
not, they're like, you know, I 

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mean new builds, they are cookie

 cutter, but like they're big. 

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So when they go in, it's very 
 
interesting because there's a 

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lot of light. 
 
It's like well lit big spaces. 

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The foyer's like 2. 
 
There's like a two floor room in

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the family room and like a 
 
staircase and all these things. 

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Now mind you, it is you can tell

 everything's like builder 

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grade so everything looks cookie

 cutter, but it is very. 

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Bright, very open compared to 
 
the Lehigh home which was very 

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closed off, low ceilings, 
 
darker, like just naturally 

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darker. 
 
Not as much natural light coming

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in. 
 
So I had to laugh. 

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Christine says that she can hear

 angels singing, that this is 

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like. 
 
And that is a very important 

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point because that comes up 
 
again later in the show, years 

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down the road. 
 
She hears angels singing again. 

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She hears them again. 
 
And I don't really want to say 

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too much out loud. 
 
It's like when they buy property

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in the future, she's like, Oh my

 gosh. 

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And I got there and the angels 

were singing. 

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It's like this is. 
 
Something she says. 

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It's she's, she's brainwashed. 

She's like, oh, people are 

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excited. 
 
I have enthusiasm too. 

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The angels are singing. 
 
Like, OK, there's not really 

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angels singing. 
 
You're just, I don't know, 

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there's ways to show enthusiasm 
 without saying the angels are 

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singing like my God. 
 
It makes me think of like a 

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Christmas ornament with a little

 like cherub looking Angel with

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wings and the trumpet and then 

the. 

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It's like me on Christmas 
 
morning. 

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Yeah, oh boy. 
 
This house is so big that 

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they're looking at and when 
 
they're going around there's 

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some voice overs blah blah blah.

 

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Meri is getting into a bathtub 
to check it for the size, which 

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 I love because that's me. 
I'm getting in the tub Like I 
 

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want to know is this standard 
tub? 
 

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Which tub option is this? 
Is there a bigger one would be 


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my question. 
She fit in the tub. 
 

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It look perfectly adequate. 
A nice little garden soaker tub.

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So Meri's in there and they're, 

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you know, I don't know, someone 
 says something, someone else 

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has something. 
 
Nobody cares. 

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And then Kody's like, has a 
 
voice over or a couch moment 

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where he says, yeah, Meri. 
 
She's always had expensive 

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taste. 
 
Which is a little foreshadowing 

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for what we get to experience 
 
with Meri in the near future. 

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She is just sitting in that tub 
 going I could totally live in 

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this house. 
 
Yeah, you could, girl. 

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Like I could live in that house.

 

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Yeah. 
Janelle Oh my gosh, Janelle, 
 

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this one's too much. 
This house is. 
 

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Too much my budget, can't afford
this house. 
 

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And Janelle, I mean, you know, 
you got to admire her, her 
 

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desire to want to stick to a 
budget, to not want to spend 
 

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money she doesn't have. 
Those are admirable qualities. 


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It's a little weird because I 
feel like everyone is leaning 
 

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into wanting to do this. 
So it's like, right, Like, can 


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we make it work, which is the 
theme of the episode. 
 

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We're going to get into this. 
They don't know if they can make

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 it work, but it's just it's 
just classic having these women 

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all 
 looking around, bright 
eyed, bushy tailed, oh, 

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everything so 
 great. 
And then there's no being like, 

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 I don't know that my budget can
afford this. 
 

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And it's like, yeah, I mean, 
true. 
 

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Debbie Doubter, I see where 
she's coming from. 
 

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And somebody has to be practical
in the family. 
 

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Somebody has to bring it back 
down to earth and shut those 
 

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angels up. 
Shut those angels up, you know, 

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 Angels, a punch in the throat 
and say quit your singing, you 


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know? 
But duct tape over those angels 

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 mouths and said shut up. 
We gotta get real here. 
 

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We gotta get real angels. 
Angels out of here we got. 
 

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No place for angels. 
I got a budget. 
 

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Yeah, she isn't wrong, though 
that it is a little. 
 

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It's it's very nice compared to 
what they had. 
 

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And then you get Kody going on 
this little rant about how if 
 

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you don't believe it, if you 
don't see yourself and envision 

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 yourself there, it'll never 
happen. 
 

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And he says that he's trying to 
move their psychology to where 


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they believe that they could be 
there so that they get there. 
 

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What a dreamer. 
He wants, he wants the angels to

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 keep singing. 
He's like, keep singing, angels 

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 keep singing, keep singing to 
sweet Christine. 
 

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Lol Janelle. 
Yeah lol leaving entice her with

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 your beautiful singing. 
Who has a harp? 
 

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Someone start playing the harp. 
That's all Janelle nudes. 
 

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Janelle just needs to be touched
by an Angel, Mona. 
 

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Mona is here to remind us of how
they need to move quickly. 
 

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We need to move quickly because 
if only one lot sells of the 
 

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four that are right next to each
other, then they won't be able 


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to live next to each other. 
OK, common sense. 
 

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But we do need the reminder as a
viewer that they're trying to 
 

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buy 4 lots right next to each 
other and even if just one gets 

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 swooped up, their dreams are 
shattered. 
 

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Those angels will be crying 
instead of singing. 
 

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Who weeping? 
Who weeping? 
 

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Angels weeping. 
Weeping I love how you at is 
 

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there an ancient weeping no. 
Weeping. 
 

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Weeping. 
It's like Will Wheaton. 
 

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Yeah, Wil. 
Wheaton weeping. 
 

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It's kind of like how they 
forget some letters in Destiny. 

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In Destiny, yes, they're that 

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beautiful Utah accent. 
 
And now we're going to 

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transition to a new scene where 
 we're all gathering at Robyns 

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House. 
 
All of the parents, all of the 

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adults are gathering at Robyns 

House. 

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They're going to go see 
 
prototypes of their jewelry for 

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my sister wifes closet. 
 
Oh, now I have to admit, Robyn 

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was talking here and I kind of 

trauma blocked some of it. 

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So eventually we find out that 

we're going to the actual 

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jeweler. 
 
I thought the jeweler was coming

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to them. 
 
Like in the first time we get 

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introduced to Baldy, Psycho 
 
freak, loser. 

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00:19:38,320 --> 00:19:40,240
But Brandon, it turns out, is 
 
his name. 

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Brandon. 
 
But no, they're going to go to 

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his store. 
 
Yep. 

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They're going to go and check 
 
the prototypes out, and we find 

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out from Christine that she is 

very worried about how things 

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will look, and she's worried 
 
that she's going to have to lie 

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and say that things look good 
 
when she doesn't think they 

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actually do look good. 
 
While Christine is giving us 

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00:20:03,040 --> 00:20:07,280
this update into her deep, deep 
 psyche, they're showing us a 

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00:20:07,280 --> 00:20:11,800
sketch from Robyn on the graph 

paper with two s s that become 

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AW, which if no one told you 
 
this, you would never get from 

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the sketch on the graph. 
 
Paper never you would never the.

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Squiggly The squiggly lines on 

the graph paper. 

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00:20:22,600 --> 00:20:26,640
Well when you look at the W put 
 together it looks like 2 

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exaggerated use with like loops 
 on the ends put together. 

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00:20:31,560 --> 00:20:37,200
So it looks like 2 U shapes 
 
connected with like swoops, 

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loops downward off the edges of 
 the U's. 

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So it's hard to imagine what it 
 would be, how it will be 2 s s,

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00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:49,240
but it's almost like 2 U's on 
 
their sides that end up kind of 

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loosely looking like s s. 
 
Yeah, she's playing Liberty with

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00:20:52,760 --> 00:20:55,920
her letters once again. 
 
You know, someone probably had 

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to say Robyn. 
 
This is what an S looks. 

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00:20:59,160 --> 00:21:01,960
Like this is how you. 
 
Robyn, this is how you spell 

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00:21:02,080 --> 00:21:05,600
Sister Wife because that bitch 

ain't bright. 

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00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:14,480
Christine's just, I don't know 

her being so apprehensive about 

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00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:16,000
this. 
 
Well, rightfully so. 

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00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:22,760
It shows me that at least one 
 
person thought those sketches 

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looked like bullshit and was 
 
kind of willing to say it. 

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00:21:27,760 --> 00:21:29,920
And Janelle said that she 
 
thought one of some of them were

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trite. 
 
Yeah. 

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So like, you know. 
 
You're right, she said that. 

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And then we've got Christine 
 
putting in a little sliver of 

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00:21:38,280 --> 00:21:43,600
doubt here. 
 
So yeah, they kind of were on 

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the fence about this. 
 
Meri's being, I believe, 

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00:21:46,720 --> 00:21:49,320
strategically quiet because 
 
she's like, of course I need to 

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00:21:49,320 --> 00:21:51,040
support this. 
 
And so it's just what we're 

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doing now. 
 
Yeah. 

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And that's that I. 
 
Mean I'm we're matching jeans 

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with her so. 
 
I'm still trying to be friends 

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with Robyn. 
 
Like, oh, girl, you should not. 

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You should not. 
 
Yeah. 

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00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:06,720
So they get there to see Brandon

 and he brings out one of the 

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00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:12,255
prototypes that we get to see is

 a ring that is actually 2 

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bands that is this W but when 
you take 
 the bands apart it's 

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2S S and then when they come 
together 
 it's AW sister wives,

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sister wives. 
 
Yeah. 

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And Robyn, Robyn, Robyn. 
 
Robyn. 

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Oh, she's talented. 
 
She's touched. 

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00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:36,320
So I know you wrote down this 
 
quote, honey. 

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00:22:36,360 --> 00:22:40,960
She's gifted, she says. 
 
Now I don't know if everybody 

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00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:44,880
wants a sister wife's ring. 
 
Really. 

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Really. 
 
What I love is this is the kind 

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00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:53,040
of question you posed to 
 
yourself well before you have 

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someone make a prototype for 
 
you. 

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00:22:54,920 --> 00:22:57,080
Like that's the entire 
 
fundamental flaw with their 

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business is that there's only so

 many sister wives and who's 

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00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:01,840
going to buy sister wife 
 
jewelry? 

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00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:05,600
Part of me wanted to look up 
 
like what is the percentage of 

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people in this country that are 
 actually living plural 

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00:23:10,676 --> 00:23:13,460
marriage? 
Because I don't know when what 


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fucking world you thought AW and
s s and the actual Sister Wives 

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 logo was the way to go. 
We said this before. 
 

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Maybe hearts, maybe hearts that 
connect that you could be like 


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give to like a mother daughter 
or like friends or I don't know.

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00:23:30,874 --> 00:23:33,880

 
But what the fuck is this? 

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00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:37,560
And then they make some stupid 

jokes cause Kody really loves 

400
00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:39,120
the ring and thinks it's so 
 
cool. 

401
00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:42,440
Oh, could we get like brother 
 
brother bands like this? 

402
00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:45,600
Cause Brandon says I could make 
 it bigger in a men's size. 

403
00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:49,040
And then they yuck it up about 

maybe we need brother brother 

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00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:51,989
bands and then Kody get serious.

 

405
00:23:51,997 --> 00:23:52,900
Brother. 
Husband. 
 

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00:23:52,908 --> 00:23:57,100
Bands brother husband bands and 
Kody gets very serious and goes 

407
00:23:57,100 --> 00:24:00,852
 no, no, that wouldn't work like
don't even bring it up. 
 

408
00:24:00,860 --> 00:24:03,016
Shut up. 
No shutting that out. 
 

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00:24:03,024 --> 00:24:05,700
It's. 
Like you were just joking, the 


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00:24:05,708 --> 00:24:09,248
universal use of something like 
a piece of jewelry does not 
 

411
00:24:09,256 --> 00:24:12,462
align with sister wives. 
And so then they start talking 


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00:24:12,470 --> 00:24:15,490
about that how how female best 
friends are like sister wives 
 

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00:24:15,498 --> 00:24:18,300
but without the husband. 
So it's like they're pricing 
 

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00:24:18,308 --> 00:24:21,612
this together but then not 
connecting the dots that hello, 

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00:24:21,612 --> 00:24:24,192
 why would anyone want a sister 
wife ring? 
 

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00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:29,082
They just come up with it like 
in that moment, like, oh, sister

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00:24:29,082 --> 00:24:32,040

 wives could be for best 
friends. 

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00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:36,247
And she's trying to sell it like

 by saying, oh, because you 

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00:24:36,247 --> 00:24:38,896
know when you don't have a 
sister 
 wife or when you don't 

420
00:24:38,896 --> 00:24:43,379
have a husband, maybe then you 
look to 
 your girlfriends like 

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00:24:43,379 --> 00:24:46,311
a sister wife because they help 
take care 
 of your kids and 

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00:24:46,311 --> 00:24:48,840
they help do this. 
 
I'm like, no, motherfucker, they

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00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:49,800
do not. 
 
Right. 

424
00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:52,160
And you don't ask for that 
 
anyway. 

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00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:58,280
I, I came back to in my mind 
 
here just thinking about the 

426
00:24:58,280 --> 00:25:05,400
stereotypical polygamist like 
 
Mormon family, and I am so 

427
00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:09,200
sorry, but they're notoriously 

poor, right? 

428
00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:13,800
Do you think that they're going 
 to be like, oh, I have got an 

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00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:18,860
extra like $250, whatever these 
 rings are going to go for, 

430
00:25:18,860 --> 00:25:21,961
which is probably going to be 
stupidly 
 expensive for what 

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00:25:21,961 --> 00:25:24,720
they are, two little pieces of 
just plain 
 metal. 

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00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:27,720
Do you think that they're going 
 to be taking that money to buy 

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00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:32,920
themselves sister wife rings? 
 
No. 

434
00:25:33,120 --> 00:25:36,560
No, they are getting the $15 
 
blue light special ring at 

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00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:38,000
Kmart. 
 
That's what they're. 

436
00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:40,760
Getting the Cracker Jack box 
 
ring so that they can give their

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00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:43,400
kids the popcorn and then that 

they can use the Cracker Jack 

438
00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:46,560
box for some storage later. 
 
They're not going out and 

439
00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:49,200
getting a sister wife ring for 

themselves. 

440
00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:51,440
And it was a birthday present 
 
from the husband, the cracker. 

441
00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:55,240
Exactly. 
 
I'm just imagining the sister 

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00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:58,520
wives of the world coming 
 
together. 

443
00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:01,280
Like what was that cartoon where

 they had their rings and they 

444
00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:03,960
were like the saviors of the 
 
planet? 

445
00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:05,080
How? 
 
Yeah. 

446
00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:08,160
And then they would put their 
 
rings up Captain Planet and they

447
00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:11,040
would put their rings up and 
 
like call calling all sister 

448
00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:14,920
wives. 
 
And then they're all like, we 

449
00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:17,840
need to collect our EBT to like,

 you know, get everyone to get 

450
00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:19,960
together and buy a real piece of

 meat this month. 

451
00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:22,760
Meanwhile they all like 
 
literally just fucking hate each

452
00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:25,480
other and are in constant 
 
competition but whatever. 

453
00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:27,680
Yeah, right. 
 
I wouldn't buy my sister wife a 

454
00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:29,000
piece of jewelry if my life 
 
depended on it. 

455
00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:37,520
Yeah, Oh my God, I wrote down. 

Plagues are notoriously poor, 

456
00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:40,400
and I felt horrible writing that

 down. 

457
00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:46,600
But I have done a little deep 
 
dive lately myself into FLDS, 

458
00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:50,120
which I know that they're 
 
different from them, but yeah, 

459
00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:55,440
the the poor thing. 
 
And then these rings and then 

460
00:26:55,440 --> 00:27:00,800
what we find out about some of 

the jewelry later and how much 

461
00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:04,400
it costs and how there's like, 

hidden gemstones on the inside 

462
00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:09,160
of the bands. 
 
Come on, cut the fuck on. 

463
00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:11,520
These guys are nuts. 
 
Nuts. 

464
00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:19,200
We go back to the Suu campus. 
 
Yes, I wonder what their mascot 

465
00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:20,800
is. 
 
I know we don't find that out. 

466
00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:24,560
We're going to say it's the 
 
Roaring Roosters. 

467
00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:26,600
We're going to make it up for 
 
them. 

468
00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:29,280
I was going to say the rule 
 
followers considering the 

469
00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:33,040
contrast to our other school 
 
later, but the rule following 

470
00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:38,240
Roosters. 
 
Which would make sense because 

471
00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:41,680
the Roosters rule the roost. 
 
Listen many levels. 

472
00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:44,280
Oh my God. 
 
If you need a marketing team, 

473
00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:47,000
hit us up. 
 
We're just coming up with this 

474
00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:50,400
on the fly, just like they came 
 up with sister wise best friend

475
00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:51,120
rings. 
 
Oh my God. 

476
00:27:51,120 --> 00:27:53,320
Sister wise means super women. 

Oh. 

477
00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:56,480
My God, we can do, brother. 
 
Husbands, no, we will not. 

478
00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:01,480
So dumb. 
 
Oh, Madison very cutely says 

479
00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:04,400
that Logan is her best friend 
 
and that she would miss him if 

480
00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:08,080
he goes back to Utah. 
 
Yeah, but she wants him to be 

481
00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:11,760
happy, which is so sweet. 
 
And I Love Actually getting 

482
00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:15,960
moments like that from Maddie 
 
because how do I say this? 

483
00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:18,920
I'm just not a fan. 
 
Not a fan. 

484
00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:23,760
So whenever she shows like I'm a

 human and I'm able to have 

485
00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:27,400
empathy for others, God that 
 
sounds terrible. 

486
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:29,960
She's got a touch of her dad in 
 her. 

487
00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:33,160
It's so interesting because I 
 
haven't watched the later 

488
00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:37,320
seasons and I've been avoiding 

any of the like press or things 

489
00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:40,626
that would normally maybe be fed

 to me because I used to go 

490
00:28:40,626 --> 00:28:43,240
down there little rabbit hole 
every 
 now and then, right. 

491
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:46,080
And I stopped doing that because

 I'm like I want to keep like 

492
00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:48,760
this fresh perspective of 
 
watching it like in the moment 

493
00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:51,680
for the first time. 
 
So I don't know that side of her

494
00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:55,360
and everything that I've seen of

 her up in the show up through 

495
00:28:55,360 --> 00:29:00,000
now has been her kind of in 
 
these cute moments or her being 

496
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:03,600
silly and funny. 
 
But then also being like a 

497
00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:06,840
little jokey and I see so much 

Janelle when she does things 

498
00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:10,800
such as pulling the prank on 
 
Leon, for instance, and then 

499
00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:15,200
moments where she talks very 
 
highly of her and Logan's 

500
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:20,840
childhood memories together. 
 
So I will be curious when this 

501
00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:24,640
flip happens because I know you 
 and I are very similar and that

502
00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:27,040
I'm not going to disagree with 

you, right? 

503
00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:30,480
So when is this going to happen 
 and when am I going to start to

504
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:32,560
notice it? 
 
I'm so curious. 

505
00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:35,680
I'm also curious to see if any 

of our listeners chime in about 

506
00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:40,240
this because it's hard to put 
 
your finger on it even. 

507
00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:43,240
It's not like she's just like a 
 blatant asshole or something, 

508
00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:47,320
she's really not. 
 
But there's just elements of her

509
00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:51,400
that I just find unlikeable and 
 I can't put them into words. 

510
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:54,800
I will put them into words. 
 
As the seasons progress, we will

511
00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:57,040
see it and I will be like 
 
talking about it. 

512
00:29:57,200 --> 00:30:00,560
Oh, and I'm sure I'll notice it 
 too, because just from little 

513
00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:04,880
like bits that you've told me 
 
and like her lifestyle, those 

514
00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:08,320
people like. 
 
Those those people. 

515
00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:14,120
People that you've described 
 
similarly, in my mind they are 

516
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:16,680
annoying and self-righteous. 
 
Yes. 

517
00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:20,840
So obviously at some point I'll 
 see it. 

518
00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:23,880
I think self-righteous is a 
 
phrase people would use. 

519
00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:25,960
Yeah when describing her. 
 
Yeah, not me. 

520
00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:28,840
And I feel like Leon is like 
 
that. 

521
00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:32,680
Yeah, I feel like Leon is very 

self-righteous to this point. 

522
00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:35,160
At least that's what I've 
 
noticed about Leon. 

523
00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:37,032
And continues with Leon as well.

 

524
00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:39,500
It gets even worse. 
So yeah. 
 

525
00:30:39,508 --> 00:30:42,480
I'm intrigued. 
The teens all grab a sandwich. 


526
00:30:42,488 --> 00:30:45,935
They get a Sammy. 
You're sitting around a table at

527
00:30:45,935 --> 00:30:48,000

 a courtyard or at a food 
court. 

528
00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:50,920
You know, in a food court at 
 
Suu? 

529
00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:52,800
Yeah, Somewhere on the campus, 

yeah. 

530
00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:54,691
Yeah, it's funny because they're

 like finding a table and 

531
00:30:54,691 --> 00:30:56,480
there's this overhead shot. 
 
So I'm like, oh, there's 

532
00:30:56,640 --> 00:30:59,200
surrounds on a second floor. 
 
There's balcony. 

533
00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:04,440
Balcony front, Sir. 
 
Yeah, but the flooring disagreed

534
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:05,920
with the fancy, so anyway, it's 
 fine. 

535
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:07,600
The teens are grabbing a 
 
sandwich. 

536
00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:10,560
They're sitting around talking 

about how Kody wants them all to

537
00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:14,520
stay at home until they're done 
 with school becoming a which is

538
00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:18,720
so funny to hear this from them 
 considering that we just had a 

539
00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:23,800
Brown family confessions where 

Mckelty says that she no Aspen 

540
00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:28,000
Aspen Aspen says we don't even 

really see that see him anymore.

541
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:29,800
And that comes up again. 
 
In this episode. 

542
00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:35,080
So it's like there's this 
 
duality of him saying things 

543
00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:37,920
like, well, you know, if I have 
 my way and it's very, it's so 

544
00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:41,200
reminds me of like religious 
 
people that are not spiritual. 

545
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:44,440
They're like dogmatic, right? 
 
Where it's like, if I you know 

546
00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:47,080
you, I want you to never leave 

and I want you to be here till 

547
00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:49,840
you find a husband. 
 
It's like territorial and 

548
00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:52,920
ownership vibes, you know? 
 
And they very much so are. 

549
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:58,520
Seeking his approval. 
 
And does this man deserve that? 

550
00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:02,560
Does does he deserve for his 
 
children to be scrambling for 

551
00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:05,480
his approval when he doesn't 
 
have the time of day for them? 

552
00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:09,008
But that's why they're trying to

 seek his approval, because 

553
00:32:09,008 --> 00:32:11,560
he's an absentee father at this 
 point. 

554
00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:17,120
So it is really sad when you get

 to the brass tacks of it. 

555
00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:18,920
Is that what they say? 
 
I don't know. 

556
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:20,320
Well, let's go with yes, but 
 
yeah. 

557
00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:23,880
Oh God, like wouldn't be the 
 
first time that I messed up 

558
00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:25,880
this. 
 
Saying on this podcast, 

559
00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:28,800
desperate for approval. 
 
From a man who ultimately 

560
00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:32,040
doesn't care, he's just doing a 
 trope thing he just wants the 

561
00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:35,040
control over. 
 
Them he doesn't really want them

562
00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:38,840
there other than just to have 
 
his little minions to control 

563
00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:40,920
right. 
 
Yeah, you need to be here and. 

564
00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:42,800
I'll never see you, but you need

 to be here. 

565
00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:44,120
Yeah. 
 
Weird. 

566
00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:47,880
Yeah, I feel like. 
 
Everybody, like every child from

567
00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:51,360
our generation possibly had that

 with their dad at some point, 

568
00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:55,200
where their dad tried to exert 

some stupid rule or stupid power

569
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:57,560
struggle. 
 
And you're like, but why? 

570
00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:00,000
Yeah, why does this even matter 
 to you? 

571
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:03,720
Because I said so. 
 
That was my dad's class because 

572
00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:05,440
I said so this is my. 
 
House and it's like. 

573
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:09,040
I understand that if someone's 

being, if a teenager is pushing 

574
00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:11,360
back and just being irrational 

and you could just be like, I'm 

575
00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:13,000
done with this because I said 
 
so. 

576
00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:14,570
I can actually understand that. 
 

577
00:33:14,578 --> 00:33:17,160
It just sucks when that's a 
default to being like, I 
 

578
00:33:17,168 --> 00:33:19,060
actually am not going to 
critical think. 
 

579
00:33:19,068 --> 00:33:23,560
I am not going to actually 
explain to you a person why I'm 

580
00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:26,296
 concerned about what you're 
doing or why I'm saying you 
 

581
00:33:26,304 --> 00:33:28,218
can't do this thing. 
You're just going to listen to 


582
00:33:28,226 --> 00:33:29,654
me. 
And that's that. 
 

583
00:33:29,662 --> 00:33:33,607
And it's like God, because I'm 
just the leader of this. 
 

584
00:33:33,615 --> 00:33:35,301
Family. 
And that's the way that it is. 


585
00:33:35,309 --> 00:33:38,624
And I am the leader and I am the
prophet of this family. 
 

586
00:33:38,632 --> 00:33:40,320
Yes. 
The Prophet, yeah. 
 

587
00:33:40,328 --> 00:33:43,090
Because each. 
Father is the prophet of his 
 

588
00:33:43,098 --> 00:33:44,047
household, right? 
Yeah. 
 

589
00:33:44,055 --> 00:33:46,200
The leader of his household. 
Yeah. 
 

590
00:33:46,208 --> 00:33:48,960
I mean he. 
Leads sermons in the family room

591
00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:52,704

 where all the kids are falling
asleep and he quite. 
 

592
00:33:52,712 --> 00:33:57,248
Literally made himself the judge
and executioner of his family by

593
00:33:57,248 --> 00:34:00,382

 separating them from their 
church and being the only one 
 

594
00:34:00,390 --> 00:34:03,860
that can preach to them and 
making himself the prophet that 

595
00:34:03,860 --> 00:34:08,159
 everyone has to listen to. 
He is so fucking self-centered 


596
00:34:08,168 --> 00:34:11,786
and delusional and it's crazy. 
Yeah, absolutely. 
 

597
00:34:11,795 --> 00:34:17,360
Logan says that he'll. 
Do church for his mom. 
 

598
00:34:17,368 --> 00:34:23,181
So he's considering Suu because 
of his mom and to make her 
 

599
00:34:23,190 --> 00:34:26,199
happy, but he's not super into 
it right now. 
 

600
00:34:26,208 --> 00:34:31,024
And all of them kind of laugh a 
little bit along about the 
 

601
00:34:31,032 --> 00:34:36,121
religion, and they kind of all 
seem like they're over it and 
 

602
00:34:36,129 --> 00:34:40,446
separated from it. 
Didn't it come across that way? 

603
00:34:40,446 --> 00:34:41,000
 
Yes. 

604
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:44,080
Well, except for Leon. 
 
Except for Leon like. 

605
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:47,011
It's just weird because I think,

 Leon, I wasn't paying 

606
00:34:47,011 --> 00:34:49,800
attention to Leon's reaction at 
this 
 point, to be honest. 

607
00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:54,159
Yeah, I was paying attention. 
 
To Maddie and Aspen, and when 

608
00:34:54,159 --> 00:34:59,560
Logan says that he would 
 
continue to do the church aspect

609
00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:03,360
of his life for his mom because 
 he knows it'll make her happy, 

610
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:05,840
they kind of Chuck a butt it 
 
along. 

611
00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:09,120
And I got the vibe that they're 
 checked out. 

612
00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:10,600
Like they're like, OK, cool, 
 
like. 

613
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:13,120
God, you said that it'd be like 
 if you're if a sibling said 

614
00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:15,880
something where you're like, OK,

 whatever, you know, like yeah,

615
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:18,360
you're going to do that. 
 
OK, Yeah, the. 

616
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:21,640
Adults get to a Mexican 
 
restaurant of some sort. 

617
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:24,520
I did not catch the name. 
 
It was hard to read, but I 

618
00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:26,480
didn't. 
 
They get to a restaurant. 

619
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:29,400
And of course, it's all of the 

adults. 

620
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:35,800
It's Kody and Robyn, Janelle, 
 
Christine and Meri. 

621
00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:39,040
Thank you for telling us. 
 
Who the parents are in this 

622
00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:41,760
family we're at the end of 
 
season 4 I'm. 

623
00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:45,840
Just saying, I love it, I love 

it. 

624
00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:48,040
In case you don't know who these

 people are, those are the 

625
00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:51,640
parents like in this family 
 
well. 

626
00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:54,440
So good they do parentify some 

of the children. 

627
00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:56,520
So true. 
 
No, yeah, Logan is not. 

628
00:35:56,520 --> 00:35:59,120
Actually a father, he just has 

the responsibility of 1. 

629
00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:05,920
Oh boy, they go to this Mexican 
 restaurant to have a discussion

630
00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:08,920
about the homes. 
 
Yes, they're going to have a 

631
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:10,480
they need. 
 
To have a talk a. 

632
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:13,640
Serious talk, and my guess is 
 
that they're doing it at a 

633
00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:16,760
restaurant so that they're out 

of the houses, no children are 

634
00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:18,440
around. 
 
They can have this serious 

635
00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:22,960
discussion and not have 
 
eavesdropping ears. 

636
00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:26,280
Oh, little one's listening. 
 
Little one's listening, OK. 

637
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:28,520
Yeah. 
 
So they probably. 

638
00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:31,120
Each have one of the older 
 
children at a home. 

639
00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:34,520
Robyn has a. 
 
Babysitter Robyn couldn't ask 

640
00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:36,280
any of the other kids. 
 
Well, she could ask Mckelty, so 

641
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:39,280
at. 
 
This point, Yeah, Mckelty was 

642
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:41,600
probably watching her kids 
 
pretty frequently still. 

643
00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:47,160
Yeah, so Janelle says we can put

 down earnest money and do a 30

644
00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:50,760
day contract to hold the homes 

until we can get financing. 

645
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:56,720
But she got some news from Mona 
 that they basically need to do 

646
00:36:56,720 --> 00:37:00,080
this or they're going to end up 
 losing one of the properties 

647
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:05,240
because the builder is getting 

antsy in his pantsy about 

648
00:37:05,240 --> 00:37:08,960
getting some earnest money down 
 or something, some sort of 

649
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:12,000
promise from them since this is 
 4 lots that he's holding. 

650
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:14,475
Yeah, so we got to get serious. 
 

651
00:37:14,483 --> 00:37:18,095
Janelle does not say the. 
Term finite resources here, but 

652
00:37:18,095 --> 00:37:22,178
 it's still popped into my head 
because Janelle loves to say 
 

653
00:37:22,186 --> 00:37:24,220
finite resources. 
We have those finite resources. 

654
00:37:24,220 --> 00:37:25,520
 
We only have finite resources 

655
00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:27,960
and this is a continued theme 
 
for her. 

656
00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:32,720
We are going to talk about their

 finite resources and Janelle, 

657
00:37:32,720 --> 00:37:35,920
make sure to let us know that 
 
they have finite resources we 

658
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:40,120
get into. 
 
Conversation about why the homes

659
00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:42,240
are so important. 
 
Yet again. 

660
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:48,480
Kody in his interview on the 
 
couch, looks burnt to a crisp. 

661
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:51,280
Yeah, yeah, he is looking. 
 
Fried. 

662
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:53,080
Yeah, he's still and he's got 
 
those. 

663
00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:56,040
The sunglass eyes, Yeah, and his

 forehead is just. 

664
00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:58,960
Burnt to shit? 
 
Yeah, and his nose. 

665
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:02,000
Is still peeling. 
 
In red and. 

666
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:05,000
He says that. 
 
He is anxious about not seeing 

667
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:07,960
the kids. 
 
He's super anxious about how 

668
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:12,240
much, how little he's been 
 
seeing the kids. 

669
00:38:12,720 --> 00:38:15,040
I think he's straight up says. 

I haven't seen some of the kids 

670
00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:17,880
for a long time. 5 days which is

 which we. 

671
00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:20,720
Later find out is. 
 
Five days or he's volunteers 5 

672
00:38:20,720 --> 00:38:22,600
days. 
 
But at first he just says, I 

673
00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:24,360
haven't seen some of the kids 
 
for a long time. 

674
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:27,320
And I was like, Oh my gosh, 
 
like, how do you refer to your 

675
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:31,788
own children as people you don't

 see for a long time because 

676
00:38:31,788 --> 00:38:33,800
they might live a mile away? 
 
2 miles. 

677
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:36,237
I mean, Meri's only like a mile 
 away from the furthest person, 

678
00:38:36,237 --> 00:38:38,205
I think, if I remember 
correctly. 
 

679
00:38:38,213 --> 00:38:42,228
So we're not talking about like,
you know, I got to drive an hour

680
00:38:42,228 --> 00:38:45,000

 to see my kids. 
Like, it's literally down the 
 

681
00:38:45,008 --> 00:38:46,787
road. 
Plus the way they've been 
 

682
00:38:46,795 --> 00:38:48,852
selling. 
It this entire season is that, 


683
00:38:48,860 --> 00:38:51,500
yeah, the families don't get 
together as much, but the 
 

684
00:38:51,508 --> 00:38:53,814
children are still going from 
house to house. 
 

685
00:38:53,822 --> 00:38:57,360
So the children have to tell 
them where they're going to be 


686
00:38:57,368 --> 00:39:00,692
because they're not just going 
next door, they're going a mile 

687
00:39:00,692 --> 00:39:02,857
 away. 
So that's where the issue has 
 

688
00:39:02,865 --> 00:39:06,714
been with the kids, is that they
still want to be going house to 

689
00:39:06,714 --> 00:39:10,056
 house, but the parents need to 
keep track of the kids more. 
 

690
00:39:10,064 --> 00:39:14,224
They're here, they're there. 
So in my mind, I'm like, how are

691
00:39:14,224 --> 00:39:19,838

 you not seeing some of these 
kids for so long when supposedly

692
00:39:19,838 --> 00:39:22,800

 they're all going to 
everybody? 

693
00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:25,800
Because Meri would basically be 
 the outlier, right? 

694
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:28,120
Like Meri lives the furthest 
 
away from these houses. 

695
00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:31,680
She has one child who is 
 
driving. 

696
00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:37,240
I'm not sure if Leon's driving, 
 but you know, I can see how the

697
00:39:37,240 --> 00:39:39,080
kids would be Bob Brown. 
 
More between Janelle and 

698
00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:41,840
Christine's house for sure. 
 
Maybe even Robyn's at this 

699
00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:45,080
point. 
 
We have our suspicions. 

700
00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:48,752
We have had suspicions confirmed

 from Christine's book later 

701
00:39:48,752 --> 00:39:53,624
that Kody's already spending the

 majority of his time at 

702
00:39:53,624 --> 00:39:58,600
Robyn's house. 
 
So the kids I'm guessing are not

703
00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:01,600
going over to Robyn's house. 
 
I feel like it's. 

704
00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:06,440
Important to mention Christine's

 book in moments like this 

705
00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:09,000
because we're trying to harken 

things back. 

706
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:12,760
And for people who haven't 
 
watched these for a very long 

707
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:17,840
time and are still watching the 
 show currently, maybe we can 

708
00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:21,960
shed a little light on where 
 
they're at right now and moments

709
00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:29,015
from her book specifically where

 this is obvious in this 

710
00:40:29,015 --> 00:40:32,960
special time in their lives, 
Special 
 time in their lives. 

711
00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:34,984
Time where they're disconnected.

 

712
00:40:34,992 --> 00:40:38,018
And and how when Kody's not 
seeing. 
 

713
00:40:38,026 --> 00:40:41,655
His kids for a long time. 
I just can't even imagine saying

714
00:40:41,655 --> 00:40:44,240

 that sentence out loud unless 
you're literally separated from 

715
00:40:44,240 --> 00:40:46,352
 your children by a long 
distance. 
 

716
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:48,448
I travel for work. 
I'm gone half the month. 
 

717
00:40:48,456 --> 00:40:50,155
I haven't seen my kids in a long
time. 
 

718
00:40:50,163 --> 00:40:54,570
That's a real sentence to say. 
You live a mile away at the 
 

719
00:40:54,578 --> 00:40:57,410
most. 
I mean, yeah. 
 

720
00:40:57,418 --> 00:41:03,240
So in Christine's book, she 
talks about how her house is 
 

721
00:41:03,248 --> 00:41:08,628
spitting distance from Robyn's 
and she can see Kody's car 
 

722
00:41:08,636 --> 00:41:12,895
constantly at Robyn's. 
And she is telling Meri and 
 

723
00:41:12,903 --> 00:41:16,120
she's telling Janelle. 
He's always over there. 
 

724
00:41:16,128 --> 00:41:19,992
He's always over there. 
But obviously the wives aren't 


725
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:24,349
communicating enough to know, 
oh, Janelle knows he's not at 
 

726
00:41:24,357 --> 00:41:26,427
Meri's. 
Janelle knows he's not at 
 

727
00:41:26,435 --> 00:41:28,370
Christine's. 
They aren't communicating 
 

728
00:41:28,378 --> 00:41:31,380
enough. 
It's like a bad sitcom because 


729
00:41:31,388 --> 00:41:35,504
Christina's trying to tell the 
other two he's he's, he's here, 

730
00:41:35,504 --> 00:41:38,600
 he's here, he's here. 
I can see him there. 
 

731
00:41:38,608 --> 00:41:42,072
And they're not believing her. 
They're literally not believing 

732
00:41:42,072 --> 00:41:44,787
 her. 
They're gaslighting her at this 

733
00:41:44,787 --> 00:41:48,434
 point. 
And she says that she wanted to 

734
00:41:48,434 --> 00:41:52,550
 get closer with Robyn, but she 
felt like she couldn't even just

735
00:41:52,550 --> 00:41:56,122

 pop over to Robyn's or go and 
talk to Robyn, even though she 


736
00:41:56,130 --> 00:41:58,070
lives so close, because Kody was
there. 
 

737
00:41:58,078 --> 00:42:01,920
And she would feel like she was 
intruding on their time, just 
 

738
00:42:01,928 --> 00:42:05,840
popping over and then your 
husband is there. 
 

739
00:42:05,848 --> 00:42:10,435
It's so weird when he's talking 
in this interview saying he 
 

740
00:42:10,443 --> 00:42:15,860
hasn't seen his kids in so long.
I could tell looking at 
 

741
00:42:15,868 --> 00:42:19,528
Christine's face that she is 
worked. 
 

742
00:42:19,536 --> 00:42:21,926
Yeah, yes, because she. 
Knows what's? 
 

743
00:42:21,934 --> 00:42:25,496
Going on right now, Oh my gosh, 
so many moments of. 
 

744
00:42:25,504 --> 00:42:29,675
That or adjacent to that in this
episode, not even getting into 


745
00:42:29,683 --> 00:42:34,180
the details of what Kody says to
her that we will get into. 
 

746
00:42:34,188 --> 00:42:37,975
But just like the wives averting
eye contact, the wives are 
 

747
00:42:37,983 --> 00:42:41,786
looking different places. 
The almost like I'm not going to

748
00:42:41,786 --> 00:42:45,380

 express, I'm not going to 
emote, I'm not going to do 

749
00:42:45,380 --> 00:42:47,868
anything 
 with my face right 
now because it would probably be

750
00:42:47,868 --> 00:42:49,760
negative. 
 
So it's like that struggle to do

751
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:53,400
nothing in a sense it's. 
 
Yeah. 

752
00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:57,280
Well, in the interview like. 
 
Q&A episode that we just had, 

753
00:42:57,280 --> 00:42:59,000
and who knows what order that's 
 in. 

754
00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:01,600
Who knows if that's before this 
 or after? 

755
00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:05,320
Who knows when that's shot? 
 
Yeah, but there was so much 

756
00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:11,600
tension in that room and so much

 belittling and talking down to

757
00:43:12,240 --> 00:43:15,360
the wives. 
 
And that happens again in this 

758
00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:19,080
episode while they're having 
 
this discussion. 

759
00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:20,680
Yeah, we definitely get some 
 
more of Kody's. 

760
00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:24,440
True colors in this upcoming 
 
conversation he's been. 

761
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:26,240
Pretty it's. 
 
Not, I'm not going to say he's 

762
00:43:26,240 --> 00:43:30,560
done extraordinarily well, but 

he's done pretty well. 

763
00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:35,800
He's done OK. 
 
He's met expectations when it 

764
00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:39,640
comes to misleading everybody 
 
about who he is. 

765
00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:41,400
You know, like he's very much, 

he's a grandstander, he's a 

766
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:43,080
showboat. 
 
He's putting on his thing, he's 

767
00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:45,800
putting on an act. 
 
And we're seeing more and more 

768
00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:48,840
of the cracks and more and more 
 of The Who he really is and how

769
00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:51,880
he speaks to these women is very

 telling. 

770
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:53,800
He's been able to pull the wool 
 over people's. 

771
00:43:53,800 --> 00:44:00,000
Eyes until these last two 
 
episodes, you're like. 

772
00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:02,080
There's no wool over my eyes. 
 
There's no wool over my eyes 

773
00:44:02,080 --> 00:44:04,400
anymore. 
 
And I, I knew that this was 

774
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:05,840
coming. 
 
I knew he spoke to them this 

775
00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:08,240
way. 
 
And there have been moments 

776
00:44:08,240 --> 00:44:11,560
throughout, you know, the first 
 Four Seasons now where you're 

777
00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:13,240
like, Oh my God, this guy's an 

idiot. 

778
00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:18,960
But it comes across as just a 
 
foolish man making innocent 

779
00:44:19,240 --> 00:44:23,280
mistakes because he's a man. 
 
And dirt der, he's a dopey man 

780
00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:25,880
that just doesn't get it right 

sometimes, gosh darn it. 

781
00:44:26,240 --> 00:44:33,080
But now we're seeing him be a 
 
little talk down to Mansplain, 

782
00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:35,960
literally talk to them like 
 
their children. 

783
00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:41,720
The faces he makes in this 
 
episode when speaking to them or

784
00:44:41,720 --> 00:44:46,400
behind their backs. 
 
The facade is crumbling. 

785
00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:49,840
Yes, absolutely. 
 
Kody says yes. 

786
00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:53,960
Let's put an offer in on the 
 
home and tell the kids we're 

787
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:55,766
putting in an offer on the home.

 

788
00:44:55,774 --> 00:44:59,688
Who's in? 
And then the wives draw him back

789
00:44:59,688 --> 00:45:03,140

 into why they're there, which 
is to have a fucking discussion,

790
00:45:03,140 --> 00:45:06,884

 dumbass. 
Yeah, there's like this. 
 

791
00:45:06,892 --> 00:45:10,236
It's it's a little hard to go 
through this conversation 
 

792
00:45:10,244 --> 00:45:13,680
because as they do in so many 
episodes, there's so many cuts 


793
00:45:13,688 --> 00:45:16,400
to them on the couch. 
And I'm in interview 
 

794
00:45:16,408 --> 00:45:19,128
conversations where it's just 
like, Oh my God. 
 

795
00:45:19,136 --> 00:45:24,206
Kody says at some point, like we
need to keep doing our marketing

796
00:45:24,206 --> 00:45:26,436

 businesses. 
And this is in like a couch 
 

797
00:45:26,444 --> 00:45:30,020
moment, including This is why we
need to get my sister wife's 
 

798
00:45:30,028 --> 00:45:33,320
closet live to make money for 
the new houses. 
 

799
00:45:33,328 --> 00:45:36,736
And it's like, OK, that 
transitions into him referencing

800
00:45:36,736 --> 00:45:41,035

 how if they have to give up 
some things to afford the homes,

801
00:45:41,035 --> 00:45:44,770
then 
 they should. 
Like vacations is one thing that

802
00:45:44,770 --> 00:45:47,272

 he suggests. 
But he's basically suggesting 
 

803
00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:50,260
they be house poor, straight up.
Yeah. 
 

804
00:45:50,268 --> 00:45:53,235
And Christine says. 
That she is nervous about being 

805
00:45:53,235 --> 00:45:56,680
 mortgage poor because they have
been mortgage poor before and it

806
00:45:56,680 --> 00:45:58,196

 wasn't good. 
And she was worried about how 
 

807
00:45:58,204 --> 00:46:00,720
she was going to put food on the
table in those times. 
 

808
00:46:00,728 --> 00:46:03,450
And you can tell she's very 
nervous here. 
 

809
00:46:03,458 --> 00:46:07,085
But they get to the restaurant 
and the whole point is to have 


810
00:46:07,093 --> 00:46:10,181
this discussion and then Kody's 
all gung ho and in on it. 
 

811
00:46:10,189 --> 00:46:13,427
And then it's like drawn back in
and then they start the 
 

812
00:46:13,435 --> 00:46:15,240
discussion. 
Yes, that is true. 
 

813
00:46:15,248 --> 00:46:18,785
It's so fucking weird. 
Like, he just wants them all to 

814
00:46:18,785 --> 00:46:21,800
 agree with him right away. 
And then when Christine brings 


815
00:46:21,808 --> 00:46:25,312
up how she's nervous, it's like,
oh, yeah, we were here to have a

816
00:46:25,312 --> 00:46:26,855

 discussion. 
Oh, OK, let's discuss it. 
 

817
00:46:26,863 --> 00:46:28,428
It is true. 
It's like he's like, I'm going 


818
00:46:28,436 --> 00:46:29,690
to give my. 
Couple bullet points and then 
 

819
00:46:29,698 --> 00:46:31,440
we're going to vote. 
It's very chem centric. 
 

820
00:46:31,448 --> 00:46:34,812
Of course, the discussion is for
them to sit there and listen to 

821
00:46:34,812 --> 00:46:37,467
 him for 20 seconds and then 
agree with him. 
 

822
00:46:37,475 --> 00:46:40,035
Like, OK, we're actually here to
talk. 
 

823
00:46:40,043 --> 00:46:43,560
And when you're in, you said 
Christine talks about how the 
 

824
00:46:43,568 --> 00:46:45,680
finances scare her. 
They make her nervous. 
 

825
00:46:45,688 --> 00:46:49,870
She gives us an example about 
how when they were broke living 

826
00:46:49,870 --> 00:46:53,152
 in Lehigh because they couldn't
actually afford that house, 
 

827
00:46:53,160 --> 00:46:55,475
like, they barely could make it 
work. 
 

828
00:46:55,483 --> 00:46:59,172
And she says she didn't get to 
visit her dad for years because 

829
00:46:59,172 --> 00:47:03,045
 they didn't have any money. 
And, you know, she was at the 
 

830
00:47:03,053 --> 00:47:04,290
time. 
I mean, she gives examples in 
 

831
00:47:04,298 --> 00:47:06,719
her book. 
And I, I'm not sure if they 
 

832
00:47:06,727 --> 00:47:09,760
discuss her like moonlighting on
the show, but she would work 
 

833
00:47:09,768 --> 00:47:12,560
like nights or week, like, you 
know, when she wasn't watching 


834
00:47:12,568 --> 00:47:15,423
everybody's kids while they were
at work, then she'd go work too,

835
00:47:15,423 --> 00:47:17,944

 even though she was the stay 
at home mom. 
 

836
00:47:17,952 --> 00:47:21,730
She was working like these 
people had no money at all. 
 

837
00:47:21,738 --> 00:47:24,743
They sell her in this. 
Show as the one who has always 


838
00:47:24,751 --> 00:47:27,144
been the stay at home mom and 
not worked. 
 

839
00:47:27,152 --> 00:47:31,772
Yeah and that is bullshit. 
She has had jobs and just worked

840
00:47:31,772 --> 00:47:34,275

 odd hours Yeah to bring in 
money. 
 

841
00:47:34,283 --> 00:47:36,225
It's weird and to be in that 
place. 
 

842
00:47:36,233 --> 00:47:40,260
Where you're 9:00 to 5:00 as a 
responsibility is to raise these

843
00:47:40,260 --> 00:47:43,068

 people, to watch these 
people's children, to raise 

844
00:47:43,068 --> 00:47:46,264
these 
 people's children during
the day because they're out 

845
00:47:46,264 --> 00:47:47,694
earning 
 money. 
OK, cool. 
 

846
00:47:47,702 --> 00:47:50,815
But then after that to go out 
and work because there's not 
 

847
00:47:50,823 --> 00:47:53,524
enough of it. 
And, you know, I can't say that 

848
00:47:53,524 --> 00:47:55,664
 it's not necessarily part of 
her fault because at the 

849
00:47:55,664 --> 00:47:57,840
beginning, 
 there's times in 
the show where she's like, you 

850
00:47:57,840 --> 00:48:00,338
know, bring home 
 the bacon and
I'll fry it in the pan. 
 

851
00:48:00,346 --> 00:48:03,722
Like she plays into the role. 
Like, she doesn't make it sound 

852
00:48:03,722 --> 00:48:06,580
 like, no, I worked like she 
doesn't stand up for herself in 

853
00:48:06,580 --> 00:48:08,960
 that way. 
But it's still just weird that 


854
00:48:08,968 --> 00:48:11,654
that's an overall thing. 
You know, they completely cut 
 

855
00:48:11,662 --> 00:48:14,219
that. 
Out for her and make the trope 


856
00:48:14,227 --> 00:48:18,322
that she's never worked and so 
they kind of make it seem like 


857
00:48:18,330 --> 00:48:22,160
she shouldn't have as much of A 
decision in things because of 
 

858
00:48:22,168 --> 00:48:25,580
it. 
When honey, she was 
 

859
00:48:25,588 --> 00:48:29,836
homeschooling, she was working 
beyond 9:00 to 5:00. 
 

860
00:48:29,844 --> 00:48:34,424
That's the thing. 
When you are a stay at home mom,

861
00:48:34,424 --> 00:48:38,560

 you're working. 
But you're also just working 
 

862
00:48:38,568 --> 00:48:41,652
24/7, right? 
Because you don't get time off. 

863
00:48:41,652 --> 00:48:42,960
 
Just because your spouse comes 

864
00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:46,155
home doesn't mean that they take

 over the kids or the rest of 

865
00:48:46,155 --> 00:48:49,160
the evening without you. 
 
No. 

866
00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:55,480
So she's working on top of 
 
working and they sell her as the

867
00:48:55,480 --> 00:48:59,280
stay at home mom that has never 
 worked and they do her a grave 

868
00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:02,080
injustice and she does not stand

 up for herself. 

869
00:49:02,080 --> 00:49:04,600
You are right. 
 
She lets the trope play out. 

870
00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:08,880
I wonder so many times. 
 
Throughout this show, how much 

871
00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:12,560
of the element of them having 
 
the show rules some of these 

872
00:49:12,560 --> 00:49:14,600
decisions? 
 
You know, it has to be so 

873
00:49:14,600 --> 00:49:18,160
significant because the way they

 even talk about saving 

874
00:49:18,160 --> 00:49:21,240
relationships down the road, we 
 have to say, look at what we 

875
00:49:21,240 --> 00:49:24,720
have and it's like all you have 
 is a show. 

876
00:49:24,720 --> 00:49:27,520
Like at some point all they have

 is the show. 

877
00:49:27,720 --> 00:49:29,680
They don't even have 
 
relationships anymore. 

878
00:49:30,160 --> 00:49:33,960
It's hard to know how much is 
 
danced and revolved around them 

879
00:49:33,960 --> 00:49:36,800
being on a show at this point. 

It still seems to me like at 

880
00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:39,280
this point it's like we're 
 
getting glimpses into their life

881
00:49:39,280 --> 00:49:40,880
and like we're following their 

journey. 

882
00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:44,480
It doesn't there's, I mean, a 
 
Meri's pregnancy bed is totally 

883
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:46,960
a show thing. 
 
I don't know. 

884
00:49:47,120 --> 00:49:48,920
It's just something to point 
 
out. 

885
00:49:49,080 --> 00:49:50,720
I don't think that this 
 
conversation. 

886
00:49:50,720 --> 00:49:55,360
Is a show bit I think that they 
 have such poor communication 

887
00:49:55,360 --> 00:49:58,440
that it does play off like a bad

 sitcom sometimes. 

888
00:49:58,520 --> 00:50:01,320
Yeah, because you're like how 
 
could you not talk to each other

889
00:50:01,320 --> 00:50:04,600
about this? 
 
How could you not know that he 

890
00:50:04,600 --> 00:50:08,760
is at this persons house? 
 
It's so baffling when you're 

891
00:50:08,760 --> 00:50:12,360
watching it and it's just like 

somebody's running in place and 

892
00:50:12,360 --> 00:50:15,560
the coyotes coming up on them 
 
and you see it from a mile away 

893
00:50:15,560 --> 00:50:21,280
but they don't see it. 
 
And Kody here says that they 

894
00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:24,320
could cut vacations out. 
 
And like you said, Christine 

895
00:50:24,320 --> 00:50:28,840
talks about how she wasn't able 
 to go and visit her dad for at 

896
00:50:28,840 --> 00:50:32,320
least a couple of years when 
 
they were house poor before. 

897
00:50:32,560 --> 00:50:35,920
And so she's worried about not 

being able to go and see family 

898
00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:37,760
again, like her dad, for 
 
instance. 

899
00:50:38,080 --> 00:50:46,760
And Kody flips the script and he

 says she is worried about the 

900
00:50:46,760 --> 00:50:49,560
commitment of being next to each

 other. 

901
00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:53,160
Does that make sense? 
 
Right. 

902
00:50:53,160 --> 00:50:55,520
So at this. 
 
Point the line that you're 

903
00:50:55,520 --> 00:50:58,280
talking about, we have once 
 
again gone from the restaurant 

904
00:50:58,480 --> 00:51:02,440
to like a couch moment and so 
 
it's like they're reflecting 

905
00:51:02,440 --> 00:51:04,680
back on this as we know it as 
 
viewers, right. 

906
00:51:04,680 --> 00:51:06,040
So they're talking about 
 
something that's already 

907
00:51:06,040 --> 00:51:09,920
happened and Kody does say, you 
 know you're scared of the 

908
00:51:09,920 --> 00:51:12,120
commitment. 
 
Does that make sense in the way 

909
00:51:12,120 --> 00:51:14,440
that you're saying that like 
 
does that make sense? 

910
00:51:15,360 --> 00:51:18,880
But it's, and I feel like to me 
 as a viewer, it was another 

911
00:51:18,880 --> 00:51:21,850
layer of awkwardness because it 
 wasn't even in the moment at 

912
00:51:21,850 --> 00:51:24,000
the restaurant. 
 
It's like, once again, he's had 

913
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:27,960
time to marinate on this. 
 
He he doesn't have to even do 

914
00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:33,200
this, but he sought this out. 
 
How can I twist this to make it 

915
00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:35,920
a her problem, not an us or a me

 problem? 

916
00:51:35,920 --> 00:51:38,920
That she's being selfish and 
 
that she can't make this 

917
00:51:38,920 --> 00:51:43,360
commitment to the homes. 
 
Not what indication. 

918
00:51:43,360 --> 00:51:47,000
Is there that Christine is 
 
scared of a commitment to live 

919
00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:50,160
next to her sister wives? 
 
Not at all like that is. 

920
00:51:50,160 --> 00:51:52,360
Insane if if. 
 
Anything she might not want to 

921
00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:55,200
literally live below them. 
 
She was a basement wife in 

922
00:51:55,200 --> 00:51:56,480
Lehigh. 
 
She might not want to share 

923
00:51:56,480 --> 00:51:59,640
walls and be in the basement. 
 
But there has been no indicator 

924
00:51:59,640 --> 00:52:02,120
that Christine's like I could 
 
never live at the end of a 

925
00:52:02,120 --> 00:52:04,720
cul-de-sac in a separate house 

next to my sister wives. 

926
00:52:04,720 --> 00:52:07,400
Like that is not. 
 
We as a viewer have no inkling 

927
00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:09,320
that that's a thing. 
 
No, he's trying to manipulate 

928
00:52:09,320 --> 00:52:11,640
her. 
 
And looking at his face during 

929
00:52:11,640 --> 00:52:16,320
this time on the couch where 
 
he's speaking at her, she's 

930
00:52:16,320 --> 00:52:22,280
looking at him with this, like, 
 blank stare on her face. 

931
00:52:23,040 --> 00:52:25,520
Like you're totally manipulating

 what I said. 

932
00:52:25,520 --> 00:52:28,160
Like I think in her mind, the 
 
wheels are turning. 

933
00:52:28,160 --> 00:52:33,680
Like this motherfucker, he is 
 
twisting my words right now and 

934
00:52:33,680 --> 00:52:36,240
making it into something that's 
 totally not true. 

935
00:52:36,360 --> 00:52:40,880
Yeah. 
 
He's gaslighting her in front of

936
00:52:40,880 --> 00:52:44,840
everybody and it's so obvious. 

It's obvious to the viewer. 

937
00:52:45,320 --> 00:52:47,440
And for him to say, does that 
 
make sense? 

938
00:52:47,720 --> 00:52:51,160
Like I'm explaining your own 
 
thoughts to you and does it make

939
00:52:51,160 --> 00:52:52,160
sense? 
 
Right. 

940
00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:53,960
Utterly bizarre. 
 
God. 

941
00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:57,840
Yeah, tell me how I feel to. 
 
Watch Tell Me How I Feel They 

942
00:52:57,840 --> 00:53:01,852
get back to the restaurant scene

 and he tells her if she wants 

943
00:53:01,852 --> 00:53:04,600
a vacation to save her grocery 

money. 

944
00:53:05,200 --> 00:53:08,080
What the fuck? 
 
Kody also has a habit. 

945
00:53:08,080 --> 00:53:11,200
Which we will discover later in 
 the show of referencing anytime

946
00:53:11,200 --> 00:53:13,600
anyone goes somewhere as a 
 
vacation. 

947
00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:16,040
OK, so visiting family sure can 
 be a vacation. 

948
00:53:16,040 --> 00:53:18,760
But sometimes we all know 
 
visiting family is more of an 

949
00:53:18,760 --> 00:53:21,560
obligation than a vacation. 
 
Like you're going to see someone

950
00:53:21,560 --> 00:53:26,520
and if you're broke especially, 
 it's probably not a vacation. 

951
00:53:26,560 --> 00:53:29,960
It's more of a burden. 
 
So to even phrase it like if you

952
00:53:29,960 --> 00:53:32,200
need a vacation, you want to 
 
take a vacation, save your 

953
00:53:32,200 --> 00:53:37,520
grocery money. 
 
Well my God it's so insensitive 

954
00:53:37,520 --> 00:53:39,040
you piece of shit. 
 
I got your. 

955
00:53:39,040 --> 00:53:43,259
Kids to feed and I need to save 
 my grocery money and not feed 

956
00:53:43,259 --> 00:53:46,844
my kids if I want to do 
anything. 
 

957
00:53:46,852 --> 00:53:52,766
Fuck off Fuck off. 
That comment was so dirty to me 

958
00:53:52,766 --> 00:53:57,655
 and gross. 
And then Robyn actually stands. 

959
00:53:57,655 --> 00:53:59,560
 
Up for her. 

960
00:53:59,560 --> 00:54:03,600
And this I will say this line 
 
that Robyn says she looks at 

961
00:54:03,600 --> 00:54:07,880
Kody and says all you needed to 
 do was assure her right now and

962
00:54:07,880 --> 00:54:10,250
say, I understand your concern. 
 

963
00:54:10,258 --> 00:54:15,480
This is how we can fix it or 
this is what we can do. 
 

964
00:54:15,488 --> 00:54:18,414
And all you needed to do was 
assure her more. 
 

965
00:54:18,422 --> 00:54:24,160
And he looks shocked and does 
like a clutches his pearls that 

966
00:54:24,160 --> 00:54:28,862
 Robyn said something to him and
then we cut to a commercial. 
 

967
00:54:28,870 --> 00:54:33,360
But what I love about this? 
Is our interpretations of this 


968
00:54:33,368 --> 00:54:36,890
Robyn exchange the differences 
in them? 
 

969
00:54:36,898 --> 00:54:43,080
Because I viewed this as an 
example of Robyn coaching Kody. 

970
00:54:43,080 --> 00:54:45,880
 
Like, this is what you're 

971
00:54:45,880 --> 00:54:47,920
supposed to do in these 
 
situations. 

972
00:54:48,200 --> 00:54:50,920
She speaks Kody. 
 
She feels like she needs to 

973
00:54:50,920 --> 00:54:54,520
translate for people. 
 
So when she's saying this is 

974
00:54:54,520 --> 00:54:58,880
when you say, I know it's scary,

 sweetheart, but isn't it worth

975
00:54:58,880 --> 00:55:01,360
it? 
 
It's like, OK, so you're just 

976
00:55:01,360 --> 00:55:05,440
trying to get him to say a nicer

 version of what he was saying.

977
00:55:06,120 --> 00:55:08,280
And he looks at her with some 
 
kind of way. 

978
00:55:08,280 --> 00:55:10,520
I don't even know how to 
 
describe how he was looking at 

979
00:55:10,520 --> 00:55:14,400
her. 
 
But I think it's interesting 

980
00:55:14,400 --> 00:55:16,967
that you were seeing it as like 
 that she was positively 

981
00:55:16,967 --> 00:55:19,510
coaching or, or telling him what
he 
 should say that would be 

982
00:55:19,510 --> 00:55:21,800
more nice or palatable or 
something. 
 

983
00:55:21,808 --> 00:55:27,535
And I viewed it as like, Oh my 
God, this girl is so kind of 
 

984
00:55:27,543 --> 00:55:29,050
twisted. 
Like, this is what you should 
 

985
00:55:29,058 --> 00:55:31,985
have said. 
And I don't think he needs the 


986
00:55:31,993 --> 00:55:35,528
coaching from another wife on 
what to say to another wife. 
 

987
00:55:35,536 --> 00:55:39,239
It's a little weird. 
Well, and I looked at it more. 


988
00:55:39,247 --> 00:55:42,276
As like, hey, dumbass, this 
isn't something that you should 

989
00:55:42,276 --> 00:55:46,239
 say to your wife. 
Because like, if if we were out 

990
00:55:46,239 --> 00:55:49,900
 somewhere together and if my 
husband said something stupid or

991
00:55:49,900 --> 00:55:52,722

 insensitive to me, you'd 
probably like give him a smack 


992
00:55:52,730 --> 00:55:54,790
on the shoulder and be like, 
this is. 
 

993
00:55:54,798 --> 00:55:57,380
Or if I was like, do I look fat 
in this outfit? 
 

994
00:55:57,388 --> 00:56:00,250
And if he was like, yeah, you 
look like a heifer, you'd 
 

995
00:56:00,258 --> 00:56:03,614
probably smack him and be like, 
this is where you tell her she 


996
00:56:03,622 --> 00:56:06,857
looks gorgeous. 
And that's kind of what I felt 


997
00:56:06,865 --> 00:56:10,716
from this moment was she could 
tell that Christine was really 


998
00:56:10,724 --> 00:56:13,528
upset because everyone's like 
looking and everyone's really 
 

999
00:56:13,536 --> 00:56:16,005
quiet. 
And Christine has this like 
 

1000
00:56:16,013 --> 00:56:20,400
checked out vacant void look on 
her face and he's speaking at 
 

1001
00:56:20,408 --> 00:56:25,680
her or like she is a dog that 
needs to be put in her place. 
 

1002
00:56:25,688 --> 00:56:29,880
And then Robyn, in my mind, it 
felt like piped up and stood up 

1003
00:56:29,880 --> 00:56:32,492
 for her. 
Like, hey buddy, that's not what

1004
00:56:32,492 --> 00:56:35,380

 you should be saying when 
someone's telling you they're 
 

1005
00:56:35,388 --> 00:56:37,104
nervous or scared about 
something. 
 

1006
00:56:37,112 --> 00:56:40,288
Sure, that's how I. 
Viewed it. 
 

1007
00:56:40,296 --> 00:56:45,568
Now, I think if I knew all the 
manipulative stuff she'd done 
 

1008
00:56:45,576 --> 00:56:49,240
down the road, I might be 
viewing it as you're viewing it.

1009
00:56:49,240 --> 00:56:51,040

 
But I do think that Robyn's 

1010
00:56:51,120 --> 00:56:54,480
started out with good intentions

 here sometimes. 

1011
00:56:54,480 --> 00:56:58,680
Sometimes when I see things like

 this, when I see bits of 

1012
00:56:58,680 --> 00:57:02,680
dialogue between them like this,

 I don't think it was 

1013
00:57:02,680 --> 00:57:05,240
disingenuous. 
 
I think she's trying to do the 

1014
00:57:05,240 --> 00:57:09,600
right thing by them sometimes. 

And you know, I, you know. 

1015
00:57:09,600 --> 00:57:11,560
This is it. 
 
I I wouldn't say that my 

1016
00:57:11,560 --> 00:57:14,240
interpretation, I wouldn't back 
 it up with some adamancy. 

1017
00:57:14,880 --> 00:57:18,080
It's just observing this 
 
discussion in this conversation 

1018
00:57:18,080 --> 00:57:20,560
happening. 
 
I just had the like little hairs

1019
00:57:20,560 --> 00:57:23,280
on the back of my neck stand up 
 being like this bitch. 

1020
00:57:24,000 --> 00:57:27,640
If I was married to someone, 
 
This is a whole nother dynamic. 

1021
00:57:27,680 --> 00:57:30,200
How do you sit with your husband

 and talk about something like 

1022
00:57:30,200 --> 00:57:34,320
this with his other spouses and 
 another spouse jumps in to say 

1023
00:57:34,560 --> 00:57:36,280
this is how you should be 
 
talking to Chris. 

1024
00:57:36,280 --> 00:57:39,960
I would be like what is 
 
happening right now, like 

1025
00:57:40,880 --> 00:57:42,320
because I can see what you're 
 
talking about. 

1026
00:57:43,560 --> 00:57:46,880
It's interesting. 
 
And it's we have Robyn Robyn's 

1027
00:57:46,880 --> 00:57:49,320
intentions. 
 
It's a mystery. 

1028
00:57:49,320 --> 00:57:52,640
It's all just a mystery. 
 
I feel like if I were Christine.

1029
00:57:52,640 --> 00:57:56,160
And nobody had said anything. 
 
And he just spoke to me like 

1030
00:57:56,160 --> 00:57:58,400
that. 
 
I would be more offended than 

1031
00:57:58,560 --> 00:58:02,640
somebody saying this. 
 
I think I'd be like all right, 

1032
00:58:02,640 --> 00:58:05,760
good to know that literally 
 
nobody has my back and they 

1033
00:58:05,760 --> 00:58:10,200
heard him twist my words and 
 
repeat a different thing back to

1034
00:58:10,200 --> 00:58:14,400
me than what I actually said. 
 
Good to know that you all are 

1035
00:58:14,400 --> 00:58:18,520
seeing this too, huh? 
 
Like I would be pissed. 

1036
00:58:18,640 --> 00:58:22,800
Even as you're saying this, I. 

Am triggered by a relationship 

1037
00:58:22,800 --> 00:58:27,010
I've had with someone in my life

 before where they really like 

1038
00:58:27,010 --> 00:58:30,440
to tell me how I feel. 
 
They really like to tell me what

1039
00:58:30,440 --> 00:58:34,000
I think and it would be like, 
 
well, I know that you're just 

1040
00:58:34,000 --> 00:58:36,000
blah, blah, blah, blah. 
 
And I would be like, I'm not 

1041
00:58:36,000 --> 00:58:38,960
even knee jerk reaction upset 
 
that you're telling me how I 

1042
00:58:38,960 --> 00:58:41,200
feel. 
 
That's not even true. 

1043
00:58:41,200 --> 00:58:43,600
Like I can tell you how I'm 
 
feeling. 

1044
00:58:43,600 --> 00:58:44,800
I can tell you what I'm 
 
thinking. 

1045
00:58:44,800 --> 00:58:48,520
I haven't even volunteered that 
 you think you know me so well. 

1046
00:58:49,040 --> 00:58:51,120
You do know me really well. 
 
This person did know me really 

1047
00:58:51,120 --> 00:58:53,840
well and half the time could 
 
probably tell you what I would 

1048
00:58:53,840 --> 00:58:56,760
think about a situation, but 
 
that doesn't mean you just get 

1049
00:58:56,760 --> 00:59:00,240
to tell me what I'm thinking as 
 in this kind of manner. 

1050
00:59:00,240 --> 00:59:04,040
It's manipulative and I don't 
 
know about all the terms, but 

1051
00:59:04,480 --> 00:59:07,240
you don't get to tell someone 
 
this is how you feel and this is

1052
00:59:07,240 --> 00:59:09,080
how you think. 
 
It's fucked up. 

1053
00:59:09,160 --> 00:59:10,800
I don't need you to be my 
 
mouthpiece. 

1054
00:59:10,800 --> 00:59:13,560
Like when you open your mouth, 

my voice doesn't come out, Kody.

1055
00:59:13,560 --> 00:59:16,200
Like shut the fuck up. 
 
Hate that it's gaslighting. 

1056
00:59:16,200 --> 00:59:17,920
This is like the. 
 
Definition of gaslighting. 

1057
00:59:18,360 --> 00:59:23,240
Yeah, I mean, it's not a lot of 
 people use that word now and 

1058
00:59:23,240 --> 00:59:26,440
like, they misuse that word. 
 
But this is the definition of 

1059
00:59:26,440 --> 00:59:27,920
gaslighting. 
 
What he's doing to her, you 

1060
00:59:27,920 --> 00:59:30,440
know, I try to avoid. 
 
Gaslighting and narcissists and 

1061
00:59:30,440 --> 00:59:32,480
things because everyone thinks, 
 you know, someone wronged me, 

1062
00:59:32,480 --> 00:59:34,280
they're a narcissist. 
 
It's like it's just not true. 

1063
00:59:34,360 --> 00:59:37,840
It isn't true. 
 
Like OK this. 

1064
00:59:37,840 --> 00:59:40,240
Is a very good example. 
 
Of gaslighting though. 

1065
00:59:40,240 --> 00:59:42,760
He's literally twisting 
 
something that she said and 

1066
00:59:42,760 --> 00:59:45,000
making it into something 
 
completely different and then 

1067
00:59:45,000 --> 00:59:48,880
trying to convince her of his 
 
way and that that's what she 

1068
00:59:48,880 --> 00:59:50,200
really thought. 
 
So weird. 

1069
00:59:50,720 --> 00:59:52,320
It's. 
 
Gross and. 

1070
00:59:52,320 --> 00:59:57,840
As a viewer, and like, how could

 people not see this, that this

1071
00:59:57,840 --> 00:59:59,640
is fucked up that he is doing 
 
this? 

1072
00:59:59,640 --> 01:00:01,880
Yeah, I know it was so. 
 
Blatant. 

1073
01:00:01,880 --> 01:00:04,080
Yeah, Well, OK. 
 
Now let's. 

1074
01:00:04,080 --> 01:00:06,800
Cut to the vote. 
 
OK, so we've had this little 

1075
01:00:06,800 --> 01:00:10,000
moment and then we go back to 
 
the restaurant and we've got 

1076
01:00:10,000 --> 01:00:14,080
Robyn, Janelle and Christine. 
 
They say that they would support

1077
01:00:14,320 --> 01:00:17,400
making an offer on the homes, on

 the properties and giving 

1078
01:00:17,400 --> 01:00:20,840
earnest money to hold them. 
 
It's almost like a little round 

1079
01:00:20,840 --> 01:00:24,360
Robyn thing, but I feel like we 
 didn't even get a good start to

1080
01:00:24,360 --> 01:00:25,560
it. 
 
It's just like Kody's just like,

1081
01:00:25,640 --> 01:00:26,600
what do you think? 
 
What do you think? 

1082
01:00:26,600 --> 01:00:28,640
What do you think? 
 
And so they say they would not a

1083
01:00:28,640 --> 01:00:31,080
lot of details. 
 
Then it gets to Meri. 

1084
01:00:32,320 --> 01:00:37,160
Meri's like, I don't know. 
 
It's like, Oh my God, of course 

1085
01:00:37,400 --> 01:00:41,040
Meri oh mayor. 
 
It's like production is going 

1086
01:00:41,040 --> 01:00:42,840
wife. 
 
To wife and with each wife's 

1087
01:00:42,840 --> 01:00:45,040
issue as to why they haven't 
 
agreed yet. 

1088
01:00:45,040 --> 01:00:50,040
So first they go to Christine. 

Christine's little issues. 

1089
01:00:50,040 --> 01:00:53,160
And then they cut back to the 
 
restaurant and Christine, will 

1090
01:00:53,160 --> 01:00:55,720
they go around? 
 
And Christine reluctantly says, 

1091
01:00:56,320 --> 01:01:01,680
yes, I get, I am in. 
 
And then Meri's turn to put up a

1092
01:01:01,680 --> 01:01:02,920
fight. 
 
I don't know. 

1093
01:01:03,360 --> 01:01:05,720
I don't know. 
 
Well, now we're going to go to 

1094
01:01:05,720 --> 01:01:07,240
the couch. 
 
And what do you have to say, 

1095
01:01:07,240 --> 01:01:09,360
Meri? 
 
Why don't you want to do it now?

1096
01:01:09,560 --> 01:01:14,520
And Meri's crying. 
 
Again, more tears from Meri. 

1097
01:01:15,160 --> 01:01:16,520
I shouldn't be making fun of 
 
Meri. 

1098
01:01:16,520 --> 01:01:20,280
I cry all the time, but you 
 
know, it's just so funny when 

1099
01:01:20,280 --> 01:01:22,080
this is like, we're at the 
 
restaurant then literally cut 

1100
01:01:22,080 --> 01:01:24,320
too and she's literally crying 

and it's like we don't even get 

1101
01:01:24,320 --> 01:01:26,320
a ease in. 
 
There wasn't even any foreplay. 

1102
01:01:26,320 --> 01:01:29,560
We're just like deep, balls deep

 and Meri's tears. 

1103
01:01:31,720 --> 01:01:34,800
I noticed that her eyes look 
 
very very bright blue and it 

1104
01:01:34,800 --> 01:01:37,040
made me wonder if she has 
 
colored contacts. 

1105
01:01:37,040 --> 01:01:39,040
Yeah, I've thought that. 
 
A couple times about her too. 

1106
01:01:39,280 --> 01:01:43,000
Yeah, she's crying. 
 
Because she's worried about 

1107
01:01:43,000 --> 01:01:46,920
people judging her for the size 
 of the home that she wants with

1108
01:01:46,920 --> 01:01:50,280
the one kid that she has and the

 fact that that kid is going to

1109
01:01:50,280 --> 01:01:53,280
be leaving for college. 
 
Yes, the judgement she. 

1110
01:01:53,280 --> 01:01:57,680
Feels like she'll get from many 
 people including her family 

1111
01:01:57,680 --> 01:02:00,440
which is very important. 
 
Including the family, the. 

1112
01:02:00,440 --> 01:02:03,600
Family's going to judge her. 
 
Meri explains how she feels like

1113
01:02:03,600 --> 01:02:07,760
she's been punished in the past 
 because she only has one child.

1114
01:02:08,720 --> 01:02:10,960
And this is obvious. 
 
This is family history going 

1115
01:02:10,960 --> 01:02:13,680
back a long time. 
 
It's about more than just marry,

1116
01:02:13,680 --> 01:02:15,960
having one child. 
 
There's a whole bunch of shit 

1117
01:02:15,960 --> 01:02:18,920
which Janelle will bring up and 
 we'll get into. 

1118
01:02:19,920 --> 01:02:24,200
But you know, I don't really 
 
know how to read Meri sometimes 

1119
01:02:24,200 --> 01:02:26,040
because she's starting with this

 whole like, I'm going to be 

1120
01:02:26,040 --> 01:02:27,800
punished because I only have one

 child. 

1121
01:02:28,080 --> 01:02:30,680
And I feel like she almost like 
 volunteers the thing that she 

1122
01:02:30,680 --> 01:02:34,000
feels will be disarmed or will 

be the like, what everyone is 

1123
01:02:34,000 --> 01:02:35,880
going to say, this is what 
 
they're going to say. 

1124
01:02:35,880 --> 01:02:37,960
And it's like, oh, I think you 

might be detracting from what 

1125
01:02:37,960 --> 01:02:41,520
people might really say, which 

is that they think you just want

1126
01:02:41,520 --> 01:02:44,680
a big house. 
 
They think you want nice shit. 

1127
01:02:44,840 --> 01:02:46,840
Janelle thinks he can't budget 

for shit. 

1128
01:02:47,320 --> 01:02:49,640
And we'll get there. 
 
We get Meri. 

1129
01:02:49,640 --> 01:02:53,200
Saying that oh this like, woe is

 me, people have punished me in

1130
01:02:53,200 --> 01:02:54,840
the past. 
 
They think that I don't deserve 

1131
01:02:54,840 --> 01:02:58,160
as much as them because they 
 
have more kids than me and so 

1132
01:02:58,560 --> 01:03:01,040
why should Meri have as much as 
 we have? 

1133
01:03:01,040 --> 01:03:03,720
And she doesn't deserve all of 

that. 

1134
01:03:03,920 --> 01:03:08,280
And then Kody says he doesn't 
 
want her filling the void. 

1135
01:03:08,400 --> 01:03:11,400
The lack of children with more 

bedrooms, yes. 

1136
01:03:12,840 --> 01:03:15,240
Well, Meri says. 
 
I feel like Kody thinks I just 

1137
01:03:15,240 --> 01:03:18,480
want a 7 bedroom house. 
 
That's all I want. 

1138
01:03:18,480 --> 01:03:22,360
And it's like, OK, I mean, it's 
 also funny with this show 

1139
01:03:22,360 --> 01:03:25,120
because of the examples, Like 
 
why are we talking about a seven

1140
01:03:25,120 --> 01:03:29,520
bedroom house for a woman who 
 
has one child and a quarter of a

1141
01:03:29,520 --> 01:03:31,680
husband? 
 
Like, I just, this is just 

1142
01:03:31,680 --> 01:03:34,520
ridiculous. 
 
But also, you know, then Kody 

1143
01:03:34,520 --> 01:03:37,280
tries to jump in with his 
 
reassurance and I'm putting 

1144
01:03:37,280 --> 01:03:40,440
reassurance in quotes. 
 
He wants Meri to recognize that 

1145
01:03:40,440 --> 01:03:43,800
he also has a say. 
 
And he's doing this as a gesture

1146
01:03:43,800 --> 01:03:48,200
of like, listen, Mare, I, I want

 you to have the house that you

1147
01:03:48,200 --> 01:03:49,720
deserve, you know, and I'm your 
 husband. 

1148
01:03:49,720 --> 01:03:52,840
And I should get a say too. 
 
And it's like police. 

1149
01:03:52,840 --> 01:03:57,320
Police have a say, too. 
 
And then she says that she, she 

1150
01:03:57,320 --> 01:04:01,440
kind of does this like thing 
 
where she maybe like like puts 

1151
01:04:01,440 --> 01:04:05,880
her crying a little bit. 
 
Well, I might just want a wet 

1152
01:04:05,880 --> 01:04:11,080
bar or a deck. 
 
Like I didn't want 7 bedrooms 

1153
01:04:11,080 --> 01:04:14,560
but perhaps a wet bar or a deck 
 would tide me over. 

1154
01:04:15,280 --> 01:04:18,920
Very important to. 
 
Emphasize the wet bar and a 

1155
01:04:18,920 --> 01:04:21,360
deck. 
 
And then I thought to myself. 

1156
01:04:21,760 --> 01:04:24,080
Did you just throw a temper 
 
tantrum? 

1157
01:04:24,480 --> 01:04:28,840
Did you just pretend that this 

was about this whole other 

1158
01:04:28,840 --> 01:04:32,160
problem so that people would 
 
cave to you so that you could 

1159
01:04:32,160 --> 01:04:35,178
have your wet bar in your deck? 
 

1160
01:04:35,186 --> 01:04:39,616
Meri, Wow. 
She would never do anything like

1161
01:04:39,616 --> 01:04:43,944

 that because then Janelle. 
Says that she has always kind of

1162
01:04:43,944 --> 01:04:47,800

 thought that they should 
conserve and that Meri should 
 

1163
01:04:47,808 --> 01:04:51,920
have to conserve more because 
Meri has spent money that they 


1164
01:04:51,928 --> 01:04:56,190
didn't need to spend. 
And she kind of gets into her 
 

1165
01:04:56,198 --> 01:05:00,168
mindset behind why she thinks 
that Meri should taper back on 


1166
01:05:00,176 --> 01:05:04,386
the spending a bit. 
And it makes sense logistically.

1167
01:05:04,386 --> 01:05:07,440

 
Like, yes, the people with more 

1168
01:05:07,440 --> 01:05:09,160
kids are going to be spending 
 
more money. 

1169
01:05:09,200 --> 01:05:14,040
So if you can, you know, live 
 
within your means a little bit 

1170
01:05:14,040 --> 01:05:15,960
more so that they can have a 
 
little bit more. 

1171
01:05:15,960 --> 01:05:19,400
If you are this big family that 
 you say you are, then yes, you 

1172
01:05:19,400 --> 01:05:23,480
would want to give to those that

 have, you know, more needs and

1173
01:05:23,480 --> 01:05:25,840
less than you because they have 
 more needs. 

1174
01:05:26,360 --> 01:05:29,760
But then I get her side where 
 
it's like no, no, no, no, no, 

1175
01:05:29,760 --> 01:05:33,640
no. 
 
She is putting in all of the 

1176
01:05:33,640 --> 01:05:38,160
effort and the time and has 
 
worked and is on the show and 

1177
01:05:38,160 --> 01:05:41,160
deserves to get paid the same as

 everyone. 

1178
01:05:41,160 --> 01:05:44,440
And just because they have more 
 kids doesn't mean that they 

1179
01:05:44,440 --> 01:05:48,400
deserve more. 
 
So I get both sides here before 

1180
01:05:48,400 --> 01:05:50,960
Meri talks about. 
 
How she might want a wet bar in 

1181
01:05:50,960 --> 01:05:55,400
a deck, which is gold. 
 
It is gold. 

1182
01:05:55,400 --> 01:05:58,680
It is precious, precious gold, 

Meri says. 

1183
01:05:58,680 --> 01:06:02,080
I want to have the conversation 
 to Kody about the house. 

1184
01:06:02,560 --> 01:06:06,280
But only with you, not with 
 
other people's input and their 

1185
01:06:06,280 --> 01:06:09,567
opinion of what I get with less 
 children, which is setting us 

1186
01:06:09,567 --> 01:06:14,080
up for this whole the number of 
 children talk and like ushering

1187
01:06:14,080 --> 01:06:18,080
in Janelle's, you know, points 

about conserving and doing 

1188
01:06:18,080 --> 01:06:20,600
whatever. 
 
And Meri has the interesting 

1189
01:06:20,600 --> 01:06:22,640
rebuttal where she says yes, but

 you know, I take care of my 

1190
01:06:22,640 --> 01:06:25,480
things so they last longer. 
 
And it's like, you can tell this

1191
01:06:25,480 --> 01:06:28,680
is a long time. 
 
This conversation has probably 

1192
01:06:28,680 --> 01:06:31,280
been happening for 20 years or 

something. 

1193
01:06:31,280 --> 01:06:32,800
It's been going on for a long 
 
time. 

1194
01:06:33,000 --> 01:06:37,400
Like Meri has her bullet points 
 on why she should have a nice 

1195
01:06:37,400 --> 01:06:39,960
coffee table because it gets 
 
taken care of. 

1196
01:06:40,120 --> 01:06:42,760
The kids don't spill on it. 
 
The kids don't do whatever. 

1197
01:06:42,760 --> 01:06:47,040
I take care of my things, which 
 is, you know, basically a, I 

1198
01:06:47,040 --> 01:06:48,640
don't know. 
 
Is it a masked insult to 

1199
01:06:48,640 --> 01:06:50,040
Janelle? 
 
I don't think it's very masked. 

1200
01:06:50,040 --> 01:06:52,360
Like, you don't take care of 
 
your shit, which she doesn't. 

1201
01:06:52,520 --> 01:06:53,795
I mean, Christine's house, Yeah.

 

1202
01:06:53,803 --> 01:06:55,760
She was busy raising some kids 
and working. 
 

1203
01:06:55,768 --> 01:06:58,008
She wasn't busy cleaning. 
Let me tell you, like, that 
 

1204
01:06:58,016 --> 01:07:00,296
house was a disaster. 
So, you know, Meri's probably 
 

1205
01:07:00,304 --> 01:07:03,189
like, I keep my shit nice, so I 
spend money on things and it's 


1206
01:07:03,197 --> 01:07:04,694
nice. 
Christine does apologize. 
 

1207
01:07:04,702 --> 01:07:08,280
To her in this moment though, 
and she says, I have thought 
 

1208
01:07:08,288 --> 01:07:10,420
that in the past. 
I have had those thoughts in the

1209
01:07:10,420 --> 01:07:13,042

 past, and then I've thought 
about it and I'm sorry, Meri. 
 

1210
01:07:13,050 --> 01:07:14,980
Yeah, I have had those thoughts 
before. 
 

1211
01:07:14,988 --> 01:07:17,340
And you're right. 
You don't deserve less than 
 

1212
01:07:17,348 --> 01:07:19,864
because you have less children 
than us. 
 

1213
01:07:19,872 --> 01:07:23,250
And then Janelle kind of 
backtracks and says that she 
 

1214
01:07:23,258 --> 01:07:26,695
doesn't want her to feel judged 
for having one child and that 
 

1215
01:07:26,703 --> 01:07:29,660
she doesn't think that she 
deserves less just because she 


1216
01:07:29,668 --> 01:07:34,650
has one child as well. 
And then we hear again from 
 

1217
01:07:34,658 --> 01:07:37,556
Savin Robyn. 
But before we go into Robyn. 
 

1218
01:07:37,564 --> 01:07:41,040
I just want to point out that in
this exchange somewhere, I, I 
 

1219
01:07:41,048 --> 01:07:44,212
don't remember exactly where, is
when Meri apologizes to Janelle.

1220
01:07:44,212 --> 01:07:46,000

 
I think it's when Janelle was 

1221
01:07:46,000 --> 01:07:48,080
talking about the like, we had 

to conserve and we had to do 

1222
01:07:48,080 --> 01:07:50,680
whatever and you didn't. 
 
And Meri's like, I'm sorry, 

1223
01:07:50,680 --> 01:07:53,247
Janelle, that you thought that I

 was taking things that belong 

1224
01:07:53,247 --> 01:07:58,280
to you and it was. 
 
So these people have such, these

1225
01:07:58,280 --> 01:08:04,360
wives, these people have such 
 
deep hurt and things that have 

1226
01:08:04,360 --> 01:08:07,570
not been addressed for so long. 
 

1227
01:08:07,578 --> 01:08:11,850
Because even Meri's apology to 
me didn't read like a, it didn't

1228
01:08:11,850 --> 01:08:14,796

 sound like a real apology. 
It was like, I'm just going to 


1229
01:08:14,804 --> 01:08:17,170
point out that, Oh, I'm sorry 
for taking things that you 
 

1230
01:08:17,178 --> 01:08:21,892
thought were yours. 
Like, Oh my God, like people are

1231
01:08:21,892 --> 01:08:25,153

 just the passive 
aggressiveness and the like, 

1232
01:08:25,153 --> 01:08:28,413
it's almost like 
 isn't, aren't
these moments to actually have 

1233
01:08:28,413 --> 01:08:31,790
some real 
 vulnerability and to
build some real connection in 

1234
01:08:31,790 --> 01:08:34,975
your 
 relationship and mend 
some things and move forward. 
 

1235
01:08:34,984 --> 01:08:38,536
And it's like they're all just 
kind of Christine does 
 

1236
01:08:38,544 --> 01:08:40,603
apologize. 
It did seem legitimate. 
 

1237
01:08:40,611 --> 01:08:44,859
She has a way of talking that's 
a little like a little almost 
 

1238
01:08:44,867 --> 01:08:48,399
too matter of fact for the time.
It almost seemed a little 
 

1239
01:08:48,407 --> 01:08:50,613
insensitive, like I'm sorry for 
thinking you needed a smaller 
 

1240
01:08:50,622 --> 01:08:52,055
house. 
And it's like, oh God, you could

1241
01:08:52,055 --> 01:08:54,920

 have probably phrased that a 
little more gentle because you 


1242
01:08:54,928 --> 01:08:57,845
are apologizing. 
But Meri, I mean, my God, the 
 

1243
01:08:57,853 --> 01:09:00,363
whole like, sorry that you 
thought I took things from you. 

1244
01:09:00,363 --> 01:09:02,000
 
It's like, Oh my God, it's so 

1245
01:09:02,000 --> 01:09:04,800
all over the. 
 
Place this conversation is so 

1246
01:09:04,800 --> 01:09:11,040
back and forth between everybody

 and she's just like getting 

1247
01:09:11,040 --> 01:09:16,319
defensive but also crying. 
 
And you can tell some of these 

1248
01:09:16,319 --> 01:09:18,080
things they've been thinking 
 
about. 

1249
01:09:18,080 --> 01:09:20,040
Oh, well, they're washing their 
 hair in the shower. 

1250
01:09:20,040 --> 01:09:21,461
This is what I should have said.

 

1251
01:09:21,469 --> 01:09:24,535
And next time when I get a 
chance to say this, this is what

1252
01:09:24,535 --> 01:09:26,707

 I'm going to say. 
Meri's apology reminded me. 
 

1253
01:09:26,715 --> 01:09:29,380
Of when someone apologizes for 
like, well, I'm sorry if you 
 

1254
01:09:29,388 --> 01:09:32,354
feel like I blah, blah, blah, 
blah, blah, and it's like you're

1255
01:09:32,354 --> 01:09:33,880

 apologizing for my feelings 
now. 

1256
01:09:33,880 --> 01:09:36,240
Like that's not what you need to

 be apologizing for. 

1257
01:09:36,319 --> 01:09:38,720
Like no, when somebody says that

 they're not. 

1258
01:09:38,720 --> 01:09:40,840
Apologizing. 
 
I'm sorry that you feel that 

1259
01:09:40,840 --> 01:09:42,920
way. 
 
They're not apologizing for 

1260
01:09:42,920 --> 01:09:45,640
their behavior. 
 
They're saying, well, your 

1261
01:09:45,640 --> 01:09:47,395
reaction isn't what I expected. 
 

1262
01:09:47,404 --> 01:09:51,337
And Nah, that sucks. 
Yeah, and that's what she did 
 

1263
01:09:51,345 --> 01:09:52,600
here. 
So true. 
 

1264
01:09:52,608 --> 01:09:55,624
Okay, sorry for interrupting you
when you were talking about the 

1265
01:09:55,624 --> 01:09:58,074
 Robyn point, because that is 
what we're coming up to. 
 

1266
01:09:58,082 --> 01:10:00,432
Robyn. 
Robyn Sabin cry brows. 
 

1267
01:10:00,440 --> 01:10:03,307
Here we are rather yuck moment 
from. 
 

1268
01:10:03,315 --> 01:10:06,040
Robyn She brings up the 
surrogacy, of course, because 
 

1269
01:10:06,048 --> 01:10:09,042
why not? 
It has to be brought up. 
 

1270
01:10:09,050 --> 01:10:11,578
Robyn And then Robyn starts a 
Sabin. 
 

1271
01:10:11,586 --> 01:10:16,128
So she brings up the surrogacy 
and then she goes. 
 

1272
01:10:16,136 --> 01:10:21,262
I just wonder what her life 
would be like if she'd had more 

1273
01:10:21,262 --> 01:10:23,516
 kids, and would it be more 
fulfilling? 
 

1274
01:10:23,524 --> 01:10:27,380
And what if she had a little boy
that was running through her 
 

1275
01:10:27,388 --> 01:10:30,435
house and then scratched his 
name into some of her nice 
 

1276
01:10:30,443 --> 01:10:33,239
furniture? 
Maybe her furniture wouldn't be 

1277
01:10:33,239 --> 01:10:37,672
 so nice if she'd had more kids 
running through her house. 
 

1278
01:10:37,680 --> 01:10:40,205
No? 
Your reenaction right now. 
 

1279
01:10:40,213 --> 01:10:45,460
Is oh, it's so precious. 
It's literally making me cry. 
 

1280
01:10:45,468 --> 01:10:48,795
She is crying. 
When she's talking about this 
 

1281
01:10:48,803 --> 01:10:51,768
and she's putting her hand down 
and she's I just. 
 

1282
01:10:51,776 --> 01:10:55,480
And that's why I brought up the 
surrogacy, because I know how 
 

1283
01:10:55,488 --> 01:11:00,016
important my children are to me 
and how much they mean to me. 
 

1284
01:11:00,024 --> 01:11:06,405
And for me to bring up when I 
got her to Meri and I just love.

1285
01:11:06,405 --> 01:11:06,800

 
The. 

1286
01:11:06,880 --> 01:11:10,200
Idea of the visual. 
 
I had of a little boy running 

1287
01:11:10,320 --> 01:11:12,720
through a room and like 
 
scratching his name into a 

1288
01:11:12,720 --> 01:11:16,800
coffee table. 
 
I was like fuck yes, what child 

1289
01:11:16,960 --> 01:11:19,120
scratches. 
 
Their name into their parents 

1290
01:11:19,120 --> 01:11:21,440
like kitchen table or coffee 
 
table. 

1291
01:11:21,440 --> 01:11:24,280
It's so good you do. 
 
That like a normal child. 

1292
01:11:24,280 --> 01:11:26,840
And you crawl under your bed and

 you do that in the floorboard,

1293
01:11:26,840 --> 01:11:29,400
you motherfucker. 
 
Or in a closet. 

1294
01:11:29,440 --> 01:11:31,120
But I. 
 
Can't see it, it's so. 

1295
01:11:31,120 --> 01:11:34,440
Silly, I mean. 
 
It's so great because even when 

1296
01:11:34,440 --> 01:11:36,920
watching this, like Robyn's 
 
working herself up, She's 

1297
01:11:36,920 --> 01:11:40,011
getting herself upset by sharing

 this, and she really just 

1298
01:11:40,011 --> 01:11:45,760
wants this for Meri. 
 
Meri does not get any more 

1299
01:11:45,760 --> 01:11:48,280
emotional. 
 
I noticed if you, I mean, I 

1300
01:11:48,280 --> 01:11:51,160
shouldn't say that I looked at 

her at the beginning of Robyn's 

1301
01:11:51,520 --> 01:11:56,000
breakdown and then at the end, 

and she doesn't look any change.

1302
01:11:56,000 --> 01:11:59,720
Like she doesn't look any more 

sad or like she's touched. 

1303
01:11:59,720 --> 01:12:01,560
She's just kind of like 
 
watching. 

1304
01:12:01,560 --> 01:12:05,080
No, because I'd be offended. 
 
If I were her, I'd be like, cuz 

1305
01:12:05,080 --> 01:12:07,320
I have less love in my heart 
 
because I only have one 

1306
01:12:07,320 --> 01:12:10,760
childhood bitch. 
 
Because you know how it feels to

1307
01:12:10,760 --> 01:12:13,760
care about children more than I 
 do just because you have more 

1308
01:12:13,760 --> 01:12:17,120
kids than me, right? 
 
That doesn't track. 

1309
01:12:17,280 --> 01:12:19,640
That's not fucking true. 
 
It's so bad. 

1310
01:12:19,640 --> 01:12:22,560
It's like, yeah, not. 
 
Only is this mildly offensive 

1311
01:12:22,640 --> 01:12:26,360
EPS? 
 
It is, but like what the fuck 

1312
01:12:27,080 --> 01:12:30,400
you're just saying to her. 
 
Everything that she fears, she 

1313
01:12:30,400 --> 01:12:35,000
fears that the family thinks 
 
that she doesn't have as much, 

1314
01:12:35,080 --> 01:12:39,640
you know, love in her life or as

 much value, value because she 

1315
01:12:39,640 --> 01:12:41,800
doesn't have children. 
 
And you're basically saying 

1316
01:12:42,000 --> 01:12:44,800
she's never going to know what 

it's like to be a Mama because 

1317
01:12:44,800 --> 01:12:49,360
she only has 1, not 5, right? 
 
Like and she's been integral. 

1318
01:12:49,360 --> 01:12:52,880
In all of these children's lives

 that we raise as a family, she

1319
01:12:52,880 --> 01:12:55,280
has plenty of children that are 
 not her bio child. 

1320
01:12:56,160 --> 01:12:58,680
And yet she's, you know, she's 

definitely lacking. 

1321
01:12:58,680 --> 01:13:01,240
And it's all a continued thing 

with the production of the show.

1322
01:13:01,240 --> 01:13:03,160
Like, can't we just get over 
 
this? 

1323
01:13:03,160 --> 01:13:04,680
Do we have to keep talking about

 it? 

1324
01:13:04,680 --> 01:13:06,080
Yeah, It's just offensive at 
 
this. 

1325
01:13:06,080 --> 01:13:09,840
Point and they don't get it. 
 
She doesn't fucking get it. 

1326
01:13:10,040 --> 01:13:12,040
She doesn't get it. 
 
No yuck. 

1327
01:13:12,160 --> 01:13:13,160
Shut up. 
 
Wow. 

1328
01:13:13,160 --> 01:13:17,640
OK, so my face. 
 
Hurts from laughing and your 

1329
01:13:17,880 --> 01:13:21,080
theatrical presentation. 
 
Your version of Robyn crying. 

1330
01:13:21,080 --> 01:13:23,480
Thank you for that. 
 
Oh boy, I think right now would.

1331
01:13:23,480 --> 01:13:25,000
Be a great time to. 
 
Take a break. 

1332
01:13:25,080 --> 01:13:26,400
Yes. 
 
There's still so much left of 

1333
01:13:26,400 --> 01:13:28,080
this episode to get through. 
 
Yeah. 

1334
01:13:28,280 --> 01:13:30,960
So what we're going to do, 
 
ladies and gentlemen, Ladies, 

1335
01:13:30,960 --> 01:13:35,480
gentlemen, theys, themes, boys, 
 girls, and others, we are going

1336
01:13:35,480 --> 01:13:37,720
to take a break. 
 
We're actually going to take a 

1337
01:13:37,720 --> 01:13:39,640
break right now. 
 
I'm probably going to go to the 

1338
01:13:39,640 --> 01:13:44,560
bathroom and then we're going to

 drop the second part of this 

1339
01:13:44,560 --> 01:13:47,920
episode as a bonus. 
 
Bright and early Thursday 

1340
01:13:47,920 --> 01:13:50,368
morning, 2 episodes in one week.

 

1341
01:13:50,376 --> 01:13:54,606
A titillating little appetizer. 
Here, a little loose sushi roll 

1342
01:13:54,606 --> 01:13:56,922
 appetizer. 
When you saw loose sushi, I was.

1343
01:13:56,922 --> 01:13:58,080

 
Like oh God, she's going to say 

1344
01:13:58,080 --> 01:14:02,120
loose tool again. 
 
I don't have any loose stools. 

1345
01:14:02,120 --> 01:14:04,800
We'll be right back. 
 
Yeah, Hopefully my. 

1346
01:14:04,800 --> 01:14:09,520
Stool's nice and firm, OK? 
 
Oh God, we'll see you on the 

1347
01:14:09,520 --> 01:14:10,200
flip side.