What does the nanny do? OK, so we're done.
Goodbye. You.
Shut it off. Do not twist my words.
Do not make me a victim. Sweetie, Just look at the
mountain. That's what you saw that day.
Just the knife in the kidneys. Over.
All these. Years and the sacrifices that I
made to love you. The season finale of Season 4.
Finally. Finally.
Finale. Finally is happening to me.
We are leaving the nest. Leaving the nest.
Exciting stuff. Yeah.
I believe we are going to start with a little bit of an update
from something that someone shared with us a comment.
We have a little corrections. Course Yeah, from a Patreon
listener. Yeah, who shared what with us,
darling? Kody perhaps is not wearing a
Prada shirt. Perhaps it is.
Guess the brand logo looks pretty much exactly the same.
However, Prada is the one that usually puts like the metal
triangle logo on things and I think that guess puts the metal
logo on like purses and certain items but not on everything
like Prada does. So it's still up in the air.
But either way, it's a more expensive shirt than what he is
used to wearing. Right.
Used to see him in SO. Yeah, and when I did a Google
search for men's shirts with guest logos, it was big, like
graphic tee kind of vibes, like a guest T-shirt.
Like gaudy in your face, giant graphic as opposed to like a
metal emblem, yes. I don't know.
Who knows, but I mean I can see why someone would say that.
It's probably most likely not Prada and it probably is
something different like guess or whatever, but we did try to
look up the shirt and did not find it.
So if anyone does, we share because I would be very curious.
Going back in time to find a tan long sleeved button up guest
shirt. I don't know, it looked like a
Banana Republic. I am probably going to go on a
jungle safari type of shirt, but.
So back to Leaving the Nest, which is the title of the 11th
episode of Season 4. 1 Flew out of the Cuckoo's Nest Alana
Logan is flying out of the cuckoo's nest.
Definitely a cuckoo nest with the Brown family.
They start the episode with an update from Logan that he's
graduating this year. He had been interested in five
different schools and had narrowed it down to two, being
Southern Utah University Suu, which I struggled with following
a little bit because of the way they were saying Suu.
It sounded like there was AC in there to me.
It sounded like there was AC in there because they said it was
Southern city, Utah at 1st and then like city was in there
somewhere. I don't know.
It was very hard to understand them, and also their U's and the
V's sounded kind of similar during all of this, so it got
complicated. There's that Utah accent, much
like our Minnesota. Accent.
And so he's looking at Southern Utah University, Suu and UNLV,
which I believe is University of Nevada, Las Vegas.
We're at Janelle's house and the parents are talking about
Logan graduating and they just want him around still because
they need that big bro energy. Oh God.
They need that Big Brother energy around them.
Yeah, they totally do. What?
Are we going to do without one of our babysitters?
Oh, no, the pressure they're putting on this kid because they
need this around, like this good influence, this Big Brother
influence around the little kids, it's just not even fair.
Yeah, it's just so unfair. There's other Big Brothers now
in the picture that have never had to have that Big Brother
energy or step up. And so I don't think that
they'll be able to take on or take over the same role that
Logan has done. But to be putting that on him
and he's looking for his future and all excited about this is
just yucky to me. Yeah, luckily it doesn't seem
too intense in the sense that we do hear from the parents
throughout the episode that they are trying to be open to
letting him make his own decisions and blah, blah blah.
So at least the narrative for the whole episode isn't them
being like don't leave because like that would be horrible.
Well, they're not coming out and saying that to us, but Logan
talks about it and he says that his family is a distraction.
We'll get into Logan's view on trying to escape his family
basically escape. So it's like, OK, they might not
be coming across and saying it to the cameras, but obviously
he's feeling some sort of pressure for some sort of
reason. Kody is worried that the other
big kids, the older kids are going to convince him to go to
Utah because they're about to go on this little road trip and
he is worried they're going to convince him of it.
Yeah, Logan and some of his sisters are going to tour
Southern Utah University, and it's just such a great
opportunity to take a road trip.
Road trip, road trip. Janelle and Kody are telling
Logan that they're looking to get a big house, a big home, a
home big enough to have Logan stay at home if he wanted to.
Oh, there might be 6 bedrooms. There might be an office.
There might be place for you. Logan.
Meanwhile, you're right, he's trying to plan his escape from
the family. They show him on the couch
talking a little bit here in the first few minutes.
And he seems so dejected, like I wrote down yeah, that he just
seems very like he's kind of calculating what to say cuz he
doesn't want to come out and maybe say anything bad.
But I just get this energy from him that he's like super nervous
about making this decision more for other people than for
himself. And then Janelle says that she's
worried about the Mormon religion ties being severed if
he stays in Las Vegas, and she thinks that she maybe hasn't
instilled the religion in him enough and that he will cut ties
with it. Which is not the first time
we've heard this from Janelle. And, you know, it's interesting
to come from her because she doesn't seem to be very, like,
outspoken about a lot of things. So for her to care about this,
it's like, OK, all right. And Kody tells Janelle, you
know, he's a blink kid. So, you know, in Utah, we were,
like, ostracized for being polygamous.
So if he goes to a school that is heavy Mormon, he might be an
outsider there as well. I don't really know how to gauge
that because I was not a polygamous child in Utah.
And I do know what it's like to feel like an outsider, but I
don't know how real that is on, like, a university campus.
Like I don't know what that means.
Not sure I can see in grade school and high school feeling
that way. And maybe there will be other
plague kids at this college though, so there might be a
separate community for someone who is like coming from a family
situation like his. So I don't know about that.
Well, also when you go to college, I'm just imagining
like, it's not like when I went to college, I was like, here's
all of my background and here's my family beliefs and here's
whatever. It's like you just you, you're
starting a new life. You know, like you don't have to
be a plague kid. You're literally an adult going
into the world. And that's what Logan says.
As soon as I'm 18, it's my life. And I was like, yes, right.
Amen. Power to the people, power to
Logan. They show the kids driving to
Suu. Logan has a little bit here
where he talks about how he is up in the air about being
plagued himself and he says that people just assume that since
he's from a plague family and he's the oldest of the kids that
he's for sure going to be a plague and that it's been
instilled in him completely. Then they cut to Kody again
saying that he has anxiety about his religious teachings.
So Kody is saying that he agrees with Janelle about having a
little anxiety about this. And then Logan in a separate
clip is talking about how he's up in the air about being a
plague. So we are getting a wishy washy,
a little triangle here from everybody about the religious
aspect. On this road trip to go visit
Southern Utah University. Joining Logan on this adventure,
this pilgrimage is Aspen, Leon and Maddie.
So it's fun to see Aspen actually participating because
when the kids went back to Lehigh in a recent episode,
Aspen was nowhere to be seen. None of Christine's kids went.
None of Christine's kids were alive.
It was kind of fun. I always like seeing Aspen and
she only gets these little blurbs and it's like, Oh yeah,
of course as we. Come to choice.
Well, and as we come to find out, she was basically being a
mother to Christine's children. That was a bit harsh, but you
know. She's having a step up.
Yeah, she was the built in babysitter, just like Logan.
Just like all the older kids, apparently.
Yeah, they get to Suu and Sydney Perky Sydney is going to take
them on a tour. Oh, Sydney Logan mentions that
she has a conviction for her school.
It's very apparent that she likes the school and has a
conviction for it based on the tour and her attitude.
Got this language they use it was.
Logan starts in with the My family is a distraction
sometimes my family is a distraction sometimes.
He literally said that he is saying that if he stays around
his family that he doesn't know if he'll focus on college enough
because they have this way of drawing him in and distracting
him. Essentially they need him too
much. This just put a bad taste in my
mouth. And you can tell he's trying to
temper what he is saying. He's trying to be respectful and
say it in a way that's not. I need to get the fuck away from
my family. They, they expect too much of me
or I'm being used as a babysitter.
I don't have a normal childhood. I've grown up too fast.
But that is, it's like, read between the lines, like what's
behind the eyes, you know? Yeah, they do.
Cut to a moment where they're asking some of the siblings
about their thoughts about Southern Utah University, and
Leon says I think it's nice. And Aspen says it's boring.
It's a little Hick town. A little Hick town.
Which I love. It's like, Oh my gosh, Aspen, so
good. I know a thing or two about Hick
towns. This is that we both know a
thing or two about Hick towns. And yeah, you know, if you have
an opportunity to go to school not in Hick town, I would
suggest taking it. But I also went to school in
Hick town, so you know, it's OK. Logan talks about the benefits
of Suu, how there are smaller classes and it's out of town.
It is God, it is far away from Vegas, so he's not mad about
that. Far away that he wouldn't be
able to, like, drive back there at a moment's notice and be
expected to do things, yeah. Make the kids breakfast before
school. Right.
And Oh my gosh, we are having a character return, a character
return for the season finale. The revival of Mona.
Mona is back with us. So we have returned to Vegas.
The camera crew, the producers that brought us back to the Sin
City. The adults are going to meet
with Mona and look at a model home in the sub development
where they're interested in these properties, where they've
told their kids they're getting these properties.
They haven't done that yet, but there's the sub development.
They're meeting Mona, going to look at a model home now.
This was an interesting scene because this is the first time
we get to see inside what their potential homes will look like.
Grandiose.
Yeah, very grandiose. Very grand for for this
polygamist family. You know, I do look back on the
Lehigh home fondly with kinder eyes, as Mover Rose would say.
Then, then I would have in the past.
But yeah, it's kind of a shithole.
So these homes are literally not, they're like, you know, I
mean new builds, they are cookie cutter, but like they're big.
So when they go in, it's very interesting because there's a
lot of light. It's like well lit big spaces.
The foyer's like 2. There's like a two floor room in
the family room and like a staircase and all these things.
Now mind you, it is you can tell everything's like builder
grade so everything looks cookie cutter, but it is very.
Bright, very open compared to the Lehigh home which was very
closed off, low ceilings, darker, like just naturally
darker. Not as much natural light coming
in. So I had to laugh.
Christine says that she can hear angels singing, that this is
like. And that is a very important
point because that comes up again later in the show, years
down the road. She hears angels singing again.
She hears them again. And I don't really want to say
too much out loud. It's like when they buy property
in the future, she's like, Oh my gosh.
And I got there and the angels were singing.
It's like this is. Something she says.
It's she's, she's brainwashed. She's like, oh, people are
excited. I have enthusiasm too.
The angels are singing. Like, OK, there's not really
angels singing. You're just, I don't know,
there's ways to show enthusiasm without saying the angels are
singing like my God. It makes me think of like a
Christmas ornament with a little like cherub looking Angel with
wings and the trumpet and then the.
It's like me on Christmas morning.
Yeah, oh boy. This house is so big that
they're looking at and when they're going around there's
some voice overs blah blah blah.
Meri is getting into a bathtub to check it for the size, which
I love because that's me. I'm getting in the tub Like I
want to know is this standard tub?
Which tub option is this? Is there a bigger one would be
my question. She fit in the tub.
It look perfectly adequate. A nice little garden soaker tub.
So Meri's in there and they're,
you know, I don't know, someone says something, someone else
has something. Nobody cares.
And then Kody's like, has a voice over or a couch moment
where he says, yeah, Meri. She's always had expensive
taste. Which is a little foreshadowing
for what we get to experience with Meri in the near future.
She is just sitting in that tub going I could totally live in
this house. Yeah, you could, girl.
Like I could live in that house.
Yeah. Janelle Oh my gosh, Janelle,
this one's too much. This house is.
Too much my budget, can't afford this house.
And Janelle, I mean, you know, you got to admire her, her
desire to want to stick to a budget, to not want to spend
money she doesn't have. Those are admirable qualities.
It's a little weird because I feel like everyone is leaning
into wanting to do this. So it's like, right, Like, can
we make it work, which is the theme of the episode.
We're going to get into this. They don't know if they can make
it work, but it's just it's just classic having these women
all looking around, bright eyed, bushy tailed, oh,
everything so great. And then there's no being like,
I don't know that my budget can afford this.
And it's like, yeah, I mean, true.
Debbie Doubter, I see where she's coming from.
And somebody has to be practical in the family.
Somebody has to bring it back down to earth and shut those
angels up. Shut those angels up, you know,
Angels, a punch in the throat and say quit your singing, you
know? But duct tape over those angels
mouths and said shut up. We gotta get real here.
We gotta get real angels. Angels out of here we got.
No place for angels. I got a budget.
Yeah, she isn't wrong, though that it is a little.
It's it's very nice compared to what they had.
And then you get Kody going on this little rant about how if
you don't believe it, if you don't see yourself and envision
yourself there, it'll never happen.
And he says that he's trying to move their psychology to where
they believe that they could be there so that they get there.
What a dreamer. He wants, he wants the angels to
keep singing. He's like, keep singing, angels
keep singing, keep singing to sweet Christine.
Lol Janelle. Yeah lol leaving entice her with
your beautiful singing. Who has a harp?
Someone start playing the harp. That's all Janelle nudes.
Janelle just needs to be touched by an Angel, Mona.
Mona is here to remind us of how they need to move quickly.
We need to move quickly because if only one lot sells of the
four that are right next to each other, then they won't be able
to live next to each other. OK, common sense.
But we do need the reminder as a viewer that they're trying to
buy 4 lots right next to each other and even if just one gets
swooped up, their dreams are shattered.
Those angels will be crying instead of singing.
Who weeping? Who weeping?
Angels weeping. Weeping I love how you at is
there an ancient weeping no. Weeping.
It's like Will Wheaton.
Yeah, Wil. Wheaton weeping.
It's kind of like how they forget some letters in Destiny.
In Destiny, yes, they're that
beautiful Utah accent. And now we're going to
transition to a new scene where we're all gathering at Robyns
House. All of the parents, all of the
adults are gathering at Robyns House.
They're going to go see prototypes of their jewelry for
my sister wifes closet. Oh, now I have to admit, Robyn
was talking here and I kind of trauma blocked some of it.
So eventually we find out that we're going to the actual
jeweler. I thought the jeweler was coming
to them. Like in the first time we get
introduced to Baldy, Psycho freak, loser.
But Brandon, it turns out, is his name.
Brandon. But no, they're going to go to
his store. Yep.
They're going to go and check the prototypes out, and we find
out from Christine that she is very worried about how things
will look, and she's worried that she's going to have to lie
and say that things look good when she doesn't think they
actually do look good. While Christine is giving us
this update into her deep, deep psyche, they're showing us a
sketch from Robyn on the graph paper with two s s that become
AW, which if no one told you this, you would never get from
the sketch on the graph. Paper never you would never the.
Squiggly The squiggly lines on the graph paper.
Well when you look at the W put together it looks like 2
exaggerated use with like loops on the ends put together.
So it looks like 2 U shapes connected with like swoops,
loops downward off the edges of the U's.
So it's hard to imagine what it would be, how it will be 2 s s,
but it's almost like 2 U's on their sides that end up kind of
loosely looking like s s. Yeah, she's playing Liberty with
her letters once again. You know, someone probably had
to say Robyn. This is what an S looks.
Like this is how you. Robyn, this is how you spell
Sister Wife because that bitch ain't bright.
Christine's just, I don't know her being so apprehensive about
this. Well, rightfully so.
It shows me that at least one person thought those sketches
looked like bullshit and was kind of willing to say it.
And Janelle said that she thought one of some of them were
trite. Yeah.
So like, you know. You're right, she said that.
And then we've got Christine putting in a little sliver of
doubt here. So yeah, they kind of were on
the fence about this. Meri's being, I believe,
strategically quiet because she's like, of course I need to
support this. And so it's just what we're
doing now. Yeah.
And that's that I. Mean I'm we're matching jeans
with her so. I'm still trying to be friends
with Robyn. Like, oh, girl, you should not.
You should not. Yeah.
So they get there to see Brandon and he brings out one of the
prototypes that we get to see is a ring that is actually 2
bands that is this W but when you take the bands apart it's
2S S and then when they come together it's AW sister wives,
sister wives. Yeah.
And Robyn, Robyn, Robyn. Robyn.
Oh, she's talented. She's touched.
So I know you wrote down this quote, honey.
She's gifted, she says. Now I don't know if everybody
wants a sister wife's ring. Really.
What I love is this is the kind
of question you posed to yourself well before you have
someone make a prototype for you.
Like that's the entire fundamental flaw with their
business is that there's only so many sister wives and who's
going to buy sister wife jewelry?
Part of me wanted to look up like what is the percentage of
people in this country that are actually living plural
marriage? Because I don't know when what
fucking world you thought AW and s s and the actual Sister Wives
logo was the way to go. We said this before.
Maybe hearts, maybe hearts that connect that you could be like
give to like a mother daughter or like friends or I don't know.
But what the fuck is this?
And then they make some stupid jokes cause Kody really loves
the ring and thinks it's so cool.
Oh, could we get like brother brother bands like this?
Cause Brandon says I could make it bigger in a men's size.
And then they yuck it up about maybe we need brother brother
bands and then Kody get serious.
Brother. Husband.
Bands brother husband bands and Kody gets very serious and goes
no, no, that wouldn't work like don't even bring it up.
Shut up. No shutting that out.
It's. Like you were just joking, the
universal use of something like a piece of jewelry does not
align with sister wives. And so then they start talking
about that how how female best friends are like sister wives
but without the husband. So it's like they're pricing
this together but then not connecting the dots that hello,
why would anyone want a sister wife ring?
They just come up with it like in that moment, like, oh, sister
wives could be for best friends.
And she's trying to sell it like by saying, oh, because you
know when you don't have a sister wife or when you don't
have a husband, maybe then you look to your girlfriends like
a sister wife because they help take care of your kids and
they help do this. I'm like, no, motherfucker, they
do not. Right.
And you don't ask for that anyway.
I, I came back to in my mind here just thinking about the
stereotypical polygamist like Mormon family, and I am so
sorry, but they're notoriously poor, right?
Do you think that they're going to be like, oh, I have got an
extra like $250, whatever these rings are going to go for,
which is probably going to be stupidly expensive for what
they are, two little pieces of just plain metal.
Do you think that they're going to be taking that money to buy
themselves sister wife rings? No.
No, they are getting the $15 blue light special ring at
Kmart. That's what they're.
Getting the Cracker Jack box ring so that they can give their
kids the popcorn and then that they can use the Cracker Jack
box for some storage later. They're not going out and
getting a sister wife ring for themselves.
And it was a birthday present from the husband, the cracker.
Exactly. I'm just imagining the sister
wives of the world coming together.
Like what was that cartoon where they had their rings and they
were like the saviors of the planet?
How? Yeah.
And then they would put their rings up Captain Planet and they
would put their rings up and like call calling all sister
wives. And then they're all like, we
need to collect our EBT to like, you know, get everyone to get
together and buy a real piece of meat this month.
Meanwhile they all like literally just fucking hate each
other and are in constant competition but whatever.
Yeah, right. I wouldn't buy my sister wife a
piece of jewelry if my life depended on it.
Yeah, Oh my God, I wrote down. Plagues are notoriously poor,
and I felt horrible writing that down.
But I have done a little deep dive lately myself into FLDS,
which I know that they're different from them, but yeah,
the the poor thing. And then these rings and then
what we find out about some of the jewelry later and how much
it costs and how there's like, hidden gemstones on the inside
of the bands. Come on, cut the fuck on.
These guys are nuts. Nuts.
We go back to the Suu campus. Yes, I wonder what their mascot
is. I know we don't find that out.
We're going to say it's the Roaring Roosters.
We're going to make it up for them.
I was going to say the rule followers considering the
contrast to our other school later, but the rule following
Roosters. Which would make sense because
the Roosters rule the roost. Listen many levels.
Oh my God. If you need a marketing team,
hit us up. We're just coming up with this
on the fly, just like they came up with sister wise best friend
rings. Oh my God.
Sister wise means super women. Oh.
My God, we can do, brother. Husbands, no, we will not.
So dumb. Oh, Madison very cutely says
that Logan is her best friend and that she would miss him if
he goes back to Utah. Yeah, but she wants him to be
happy, which is so sweet. And I Love Actually getting
moments like that from Maddie because how do I say this?
I'm just not a fan. Not a fan.
So whenever she shows like I'm a human and I'm able to have
empathy for others, God that sounds terrible.
She's got a touch of her dad in her.
It's so interesting because I haven't watched the later
seasons and I've been avoiding any of the like press or things
that would normally maybe be fed to me because I used to go
down there little rabbit hole every now and then, right.
And I stopped doing that because I'm like I want to keep like
this fresh perspective of watching it like in the moment
for the first time. So I don't know that side of her
and everything that I've seen of her up in the show up through
now has been her kind of in these cute moments or her being
silly and funny. But then also being like a
little jokey and I see so much Janelle when she does things
such as pulling the prank on Leon, for instance, and then
moments where she talks very highly of her and Logan's
childhood memories together. So I will be curious when this
flip happens because I know you and I are very similar and that
I'm not going to disagree with you, right?
So when is this going to happen and when am I going to start to
notice it? I'm so curious.
I'm also curious to see if any of our listeners chime in about
this because it's hard to put your finger on it even.
It's not like she's just like a blatant asshole or something,
she's really not. But there's just elements of her
that I just find unlikeable and I can't put them into words.
I will put them into words. As the seasons progress, we will
see it and I will be like talking about it.
Oh, and I'm sure I'll notice it too, because just from little
like bits that you've told me and like her lifestyle, those
people like. Those those people.
People that you've described similarly, in my mind they are
annoying and self-righteous. Yes.
So obviously at some point I'll see it.
I think self-righteous is a phrase people would use.
Yeah when describing her. Yeah, not me.
And I feel like Leon is like that.
Yeah, I feel like Leon is very self-righteous to this point.
At least that's what I've noticed about Leon.
And continues with Leon as well.
It gets even worse. So yeah.
I'm intrigued. The teens all grab a sandwich.
They get a Sammy. You're sitting around a table at
a courtyard or at a food court.
You know, in a food court at Suu?
Yeah, Somewhere on the campus, yeah.
Yeah, it's funny because they're like finding a table and
there's this overhead shot. So I'm like, oh, there's
surrounds on a second floor. There's balcony.
Balcony front, Sir. Yeah, but the flooring disagreed
with the fancy, so anyway, it's fine.
The teens are grabbing a sandwich.
They're sitting around talking about how Kody wants them all to
stay at home until they're done with school becoming a which is
so funny to hear this from them considering that we just had a
Brown family confessions where Mckelty says that she no Aspen
Aspen Aspen says we don't even really see that see him anymore.
And that comes up again. In this episode.
So it's like there's this duality of him saying things
like, well, you know, if I have my way and it's very, it's so
reminds me of like religious people that are not spiritual.
They're like dogmatic, right? Where it's like, if I you know
you, I want you to never leave and I want you to be here till
you find a husband. It's like territorial and
ownership vibes, you know? And they very much so are.
Seeking his approval. And does this man deserve that?
Does does he deserve for his children to be scrambling for
his approval when he doesn't have the time of day for them?
But that's why they're trying to seek his approval, because
he's an absentee father at this point.
So it is really sad when you get to the brass tacks of it.
Is that what they say? I don't know.
Well, let's go with yes, but yeah.
Oh God, like wouldn't be the first time that I messed up
this. Saying on this podcast,
desperate for approval. From a man who ultimately
doesn't care, he's just doing a trope thing he just wants the
control over. Them he doesn't really want them
there other than just to have his little minions to control
right. Yeah, you need to be here and.
I'll never see you, but you need to be here.
Yeah. Weird.
Yeah, I feel like. Everybody, like every child from
our generation possibly had that with their dad at some point,
where their dad tried to exert some stupid rule or stupid power
struggle. And you're like, but why?
Yeah, why does this even matter to you?
Because I said so. That was my dad's class because
I said so this is my. House and it's like.
I understand that if someone's being, if a teenager is pushing
back and just being irrational and you could just be like, I'm
done with this because I said so.
I can actually understand that.
It just sucks when that's a default to being like, I
actually am not going to critical think.
I am not going to actually explain to you a person why I'm
concerned about what you're doing or why I'm saying you
can't do this thing. You're just going to listen to
me. And that's that.
And it's like God, because I'm just the leader of this.
Family. And that's the way that it is.
And I am the leader and I am the prophet of this family.
Yes. The Prophet, yeah.
Because each. Father is the prophet of his
household, right? Yeah.
The leader of his household. Yeah.
I mean he. Leads sermons in the family room
where all the kids are falling asleep and he quite.
Literally made himself the judge and executioner of his family by
separating them from their church and being the only one
that can preach to them and making himself the prophet that
everyone has to listen to. He is so fucking self-centered
and delusional and it's crazy. Yeah, absolutely.
Logan says that he'll. Do church for his mom.
So he's considering Suu because of his mom and to make her
happy, but he's not super into it right now.
And all of them kind of laugh a little bit along about the
religion, and they kind of all seem like they're over it and
separated from it. Didn't it come across that way?
Yes.
Well, except for Leon. Except for Leon like.
It's just weird because I think, Leon, I wasn't paying
attention to Leon's reaction at this point, to be honest.
Yeah, I was paying attention. To Maddie and Aspen, and when
Logan says that he would continue to do the church aspect
of his life for his mom because he knows it'll make her happy,
they kind of Chuck a butt it along.
And I got the vibe that they're checked out.
Like they're like, OK, cool, like.
God, you said that it'd be like if you're if a sibling said
something where you're like, OK, whatever, you know, like yeah,
you're going to do that. OK, Yeah, the.
Adults get to a Mexican restaurant of some sort.
I did not catch the name. It was hard to read, but I
didn't. They get to a restaurant.
And of course, it's all of the adults.
It's Kody and Robyn, Janelle, Christine and Meri.
Thank you for telling us. Who the parents are in this
family we're at the end of season 4 I'm.
Just saying, I love it, I love it.
In case you don't know who these people are, those are the
parents like in this family well.
So good they do parentify some of the children.
So true. No, yeah, Logan is not.
Actually a father, he just has the responsibility of 1.
Oh boy, they go to this Mexican restaurant to have a discussion
about the homes. Yes, they're going to have a
they need. To have a talk a.
Serious talk, and my guess is that they're doing it at a
restaurant so that they're out of the houses, no children are
around. They can have this serious
discussion and not have eavesdropping ears.
Oh, little one's listening. Little one's listening, OK.
Yeah. So they probably.
Each have one of the older children at a home.
Robyn has a. Babysitter Robyn couldn't ask
any of the other kids. Well, she could ask Mckelty, so
at. This point, Yeah, Mckelty was
probably watching her kids pretty frequently still.
Yeah, so Janelle says we can put down earnest money and do a 30
day contract to hold the homes until we can get financing.
But she got some news from Mona that they basically need to do
this or they're going to end up losing one of the properties
because the builder is getting antsy in his pantsy about
getting some earnest money down or something, some sort of
promise from them since this is 4 lots that he's holding.
Yeah, so we got to get serious.
Janelle does not say the. Term finite resources here, but
it's still popped into my head because Janelle loves to say
finite resources. We have those finite resources.
We only have finite resources
and this is a continued theme for her.
We are going to talk about their finite resources and Janelle,
make sure to let us know that they have finite resources we
get into. Conversation about why the homes
are so important. Yet again.
Kody in his interview on the couch, looks burnt to a crisp.
Yeah, yeah, he is looking. Fried.
Yeah, he's still and he's got those.
The sunglass eyes, Yeah, and his forehead is just.
Burnt to shit? Yeah, and his nose.
Is still peeling. In red and.
He says that. He is anxious about not seeing
the kids. He's super anxious about how
much, how little he's been seeing the kids.
I think he's straight up says. I haven't seen some of the kids
for a long time. 5 days which is which we.
Later find out is. Five days or he's volunteers 5
days. But at first he just says, I
haven't seen some of the kids for a long time.
And I was like, Oh my gosh, like, how do you refer to your
own children as people you don't see for a long time because
they might live a mile away? 2 miles.
I mean, Meri's only like a mile away from the furthest person,
I think, if I remember correctly.
So we're not talking about like, you know, I got to drive an hour
to see my kids. Like, it's literally down the
road. Plus the way they've been
selling. It this entire season is that,
yeah, the families don't get together as much, but the
children are still going from house to house.
So the children have to tell them where they're going to be
because they're not just going next door, they're going a mile
away. So that's where the issue has
been with the kids, is that they still want to be going house to
house, but the parents need to keep track of the kids more.
They're here, they're there. So in my mind, I'm like, how are
you not seeing some of these kids for so long when supposedly
they're all going to everybody?
Because Meri would basically be the outlier, right?
Like Meri lives the furthest away from these houses.
She has one child who is driving.
I'm not sure if Leon's driving, but you know, I can see how the
kids would be Bob Brown. More between Janelle and
Christine's house for sure. Maybe even Robyn's at this
point. We have our suspicions.
We have had suspicions confirmed from Christine's book later
that Kody's already spending the majority of his time at
Robyn's house. So the kids I'm guessing are not
going over to Robyn's house. I feel like it's.
Important to mention Christine's book in moments like this
because we're trying to harken things back.
And for people who haven't watched these for a very long
time and are still watching the show currently, maybe we can
shed a little light on where they're at right now and moments
from her book specifically where this is obvious in this
special time in their lives, Special time in their lives.
Time where they're disconnected.
And and how when Kody's not seeing.
His kids for a long time. I just can't even imagine saying
that sentence out loud unless you're literally separated from
your children by a long distance.
I travel for work. I'm gone half the month.
I haven't seen my kids in a long time.
That's a real sentence to say. You live a mile away at the
most. I mean, yeah.
So in Christine's book, she talks about how her house is
spitting distance from Robyn's and she can see Kody's car
constantly at Robyn's. And she is telling Meri and
she's telling Janelle. He's always over there.
But obviously the wives aren't
communicating enough to know, oh, Janelle knows he's not at
Meri's. Janelle knows he's not at
Christine's. They aren't communicating
enough. It's like a bad sitcom because
Christina's trying to tell the other two he's he's, he's here,
he's here, he's here. I can see him there.
And they're not believing her. They're literally not believing
her. They're gaslighting her at this
point. And she says that she wanted to
get closer with Robyn, but she felt like she couldn't even just
pop over to Robyn's or go and talk to Robyn, even though she
lives so close, because Kody was there.
And she would feel like she was intruding on their time, just
popping over and then your husband is there.
It's so weird when he's talking in this interview saying he
hasn't seen his kids in so long. I could tell looking at
Christine's face that she is worked.
Yeah, yes, because she. Knows what's?
Going on right now, Oh my gosh, so many moments of.
That or adjacent to that in this episode, not even getting into
the details of what Kody says to her that we will get into.
But just like the wives averting eye contact, the wives are
looking different places. The almost like I'm not going to
express, I'm not going to emote, I'm not going to do
anything with my face right now because it would probably be
negative. So it's like that struggle to do
nothing in a sense it's. Yeah.
Well, in the interview like. Q&A episode that we just had,
and who knows what order that's in.
Who knows if that's before this or after?
Who knows when that's shot? Yeah, but there was so much
tension in that room and so much belittling and talking down to
the wives. And that happens again in this
episode while they're having this discussion.
Yeah, we definitely get some more of Kody's.
True colors in this upcoming conversation he's been.
Pretty it's. Not, I'm not going to say he's
done extraordinarily well, but he's done pretty well.
He's done OK. He's met expectations when it
comes to misleading everybody about who he is.
You know, like he's very much, he's a grandstander, he's a
showboat. He's putting on his thing, he's
putting on an act. And we're seeing more and more
of the cracks and more and more of The Who he really is and how
he speaks to these women is very telling.
He's been able to pull the wool over people's.
Eyes until these last two episodes, you're like.
There's no wool over my eyes. There's no wool over my eyes
anymore. And I, I knew that this was
coming. I knew he spoke to them this
way. And there have been moments
throughout, you know, the first Four Seasons now where you're
like, Oh my God, this guy's an idiot.
But it comes across as just a foolish man making innocent
mistakes because he's a man. And dirt der, he's a dopey man
that just doesn't get it right sometimes, gosh darn it.
But now we're seeing him be a little talk down to Mansplain,
literally talk to them like their children.
The faces he makes in this episode when speaking to them or
behind their backs. The facade is crumbling.
Yes, absolutely. Kody says yes.
Let's put an offer in on the home and tell the kids we're
putting in an offer on the home.
Who's in? And then the wives draw him back
into why they're there, which is to have a fucking discussion,
dumbass. Yeah, there's like this.
It's it's a little hard to go through this conversation
because as they do in so many episodes, there's so many cuts
to them on the couch. And I'm in interview
conversations where it's just like, Oh my God.
Kody says at some point, like we need to keep doing our marketing
businesses. And this is in like a couch
moment, including This is why we need to get my sister wife's
closet live to make money for the new houses.
And it's like, OK, that transitions into him referencing
how if they have to give up some things to afford the homes,
then they should. Like vacations is one thing that
he suggests. But he's basically suggesting
they be house poor, straight up. Yeah.
And Christine says. That she is nervous about being
mortgage poor because they have been mortgage poor before and it
wasn't good. And she was worried about how
she was going to put food on the table in those times.
And you can tell she's very nervous here.
But they get to the restaurant and the whole point is to have
this discussion and then Kody's all gung ho and in on it.
And then it's like drawn back in and then they start the
discussion. Yes, that is true.
It's so fucking weird. Like, he just wants them all to
agree with him right away. And then when Christine brings
up how she's nervous, it's like, oh, yeah, we were here to have a
discussion. Oh, OK, let's discuss it.
It is true. It's like he's like, I'm going
to give my. Couple bullet points and then
we're going to vote. It's very chem centric.
Of course, the discussion is for them to sit there and listen to
him for 20 seconds and then agree with him.
Like, OK, we're actually here to talk.
And when you're in, you said Christine talks about how the
finances scare her. They make her nervous.
She gives us an example about how when they were broke living
in Lehigh because they couldn't actually afford that house,
like, they barely could make it work.
And she says she didn't get to visit her dad for years because
they didn't have any money. And, you know, she was at the
time. I mean, she gives examples in
her book. And I, I'm not sure if they
discuss her like moonlighting on the show, but she would work
like nights or week, like, you know, when she wasn't watching
everybody's kids while they were at work, then she'd go work too,
even though she was the stay at home mom.
She was working like these people had no money at all.
They sell her in this. Show as the one who has always
been the stay at home mom and not worked.
Yeah and that is bullshit. She has had jobs and just worked
odd hours Yeah to bring in money.
It's weird and to be in that place.
Where you're 9:00 to 5:00 as a responsibility is to raise these
people, to watch these people's children, to raise
these people's children during the day because they're out
earning money. OK, cool.
But then after that to go out and work because there's not
enough of it. And, you know, I can't say that
it's not necessarily part of her fault because at the
beginning, there's times in the show where she's like, you
know, bring home the bacon and I'll fry it in the pan.
Like she plays into the role. Like, she doesn't make it sound
like, no, I worked like she doesn't stand up for herself in
that way. But it's still just weird that
that's an overall thing. You know, they completely cut
that. Out for her and make the trope
that she's never worked and so they kind of make it seem like
she shouldn't have as much of A decision in things because of
it. When honey, she was
homeschooling, she was working beyond 9:00 to 5:00.
That's the thing. When you are a stay at home mom,
you're working. But you're also just working
24/7, right? Because you don't get time off.
Just because your spouse comes
home doesn't mean that they take over the kids or the rest of
the evening without you. No.
So she's working on top of working and they sell her as the
stay at home mom that has never worked and they do her a grave
injustice and she does not stand up for herself.
You are right. She lets the trope play out.
I wonder so many times. Throughout this show, how much
of the element of them having the show rules some of these
decisions? You know, it has to be so
significant because the way they even talk about saving
relationships down the road, we have to say, look at what we
have and it's like all you have is a show.
Like at some point all they have is the show.
They don't even have relationships anymore.
It's hard to know how much is danced and revolved around them
being on a show at this point. It still seems to me like at
this point it's like we're getting glimpses into their life
and like we're following their journey.
It doesn't there's, I mean, a Meri's pregnancy bed is totally
a show thing. I don't know.
It's just something to point out.
I don't think that this conversation.
Is a show bit I think that they have such poor communication
that it does play off like a bad sitcom sometimes.
Yeah, because you're like how could you not talk to each other
about this? How could you not know that he
is at this persons house? It's so baffling when you're
watching it and it's just like somebody's running in place and
the coyotes coming up on them and you see it from a mile away
but they don't see it. And Kody here says that they
could cut vacations out. And like you said, Christine
talks about how she wasn't able to go and visit her dad for at
least a couple of years when they were house poor before.
And so she's worried about not being able to go and see family
again, like her dad, for instance.
And Kody flips the script and he says she is worried about the
commitment of being next to each other.
Does that make sense? Right.
So at this. Point the line that you're
talking about, we have once again gone from the restaurant
to like a couch moment and so it's like they're reflecting
back on this as we know it as viewers, right.
So they're talking about something that's already
happened and Kody does say, you know you're scared of the
commitment. Does that make sense in the way
that you're saying that like does that make sense?
But it's, and I feel like to me as a viewer, it was another
layer of awkwardness because it wasn't even in the moment at
the restaurant. It's like, once again, he's had
time to marinate on this. He he doesn't have to even do
this, but he sought this out. How can I twist this to make it
a her problem, not an us or a me problem?
That she's being selfish and that she can't make this
commitment to the homes. Not what indication.
Is there that Christine is scared of a commitment to live
next to her sister wives? Not at all like that is.
Insane if if. Anything she might not want to
literally live below them. She was a basement wife in
Lehigh. She might not want to share
walls and be in the basement. But there has been no indicator
that Christine's like I could never live at the end of a
cul-de-sac in a separate house next to my sister wives.
Like that is not. We as a viewer have no inkling
that that's a thing. No, he's trying to manipulate
her. And looking at his face during
this time on the couch where he's speaking at her, she's
looking at him with this, like, blank stare on her face.
Like you're totally manipulating what I said.
Like I think in her mind, the wheels are turning.
Like this motherfucker, he is twisting my words right now and
making it into something that's totally not true.
Yeah. He's gaslighting her in front of
everybody and it's so obvious. It's obvious to the viewer.
And for him to say, does that make sense?
Like I'm explaining your own thoughts to you and does it make
sense? Right.
Utterly bizarre. God.
Yeah, tell me how I feel to. Watch Tell Me How I Feel They
get back to the restaurant scene and he tells her if she wants
a vacation to save her grocery money.
What the fuck? Kody also has a habit.
Which we will discover later in the show of referencing anytime
anyone goes somewhere as a vacation.
OK, so visiting family sure can be a vacation.
But sometimes we all know visiting family is more of an
obligation than a vacation. Like you're going to see someone
and if you're broke especially, it's probably not a vacation.
It's more of a burden. So to even phrase it like if you
need a vacation, you want to take a vacation, save your
grocery money. Well my God it's so insensitive
you piece of shit. I got your.
Kids to feed and I need to save my grocery money and not feed
my kids if I want to do anything.
Fuck off Fuck off. That comment was so dirty to me
and gross. And then Robyn actually stands.
Up for her.
And this I will say this line that Robyn says she looks at
Kody and says all you needed to do was assure her right now and
say, I understand your concern.
This is how we can fix it or this is what we can do.
And all you needed to do was assure her more.
And he looks shocked and does like a clutches his pearls that
Robyn said something to him and then we cut to a commercial.
But what I love about this? Is our interpretations of this
Robyn exchange the differences in them?
Because I viewed this as an example of Robyn coaching Kody.
Like, this is what you're
supposed to do in these situations.
She speaks Kody. She feels like she needs to
translate for people. So when she's saying this is
when you say, I know it's scary, sweetheart, but isn't it worth
it? It's like, OK, so you're just
trying to get him to say a nicer version of what he was saying.
And he looks at her with some kind of way.
I don't even know how to describe how he was looking at
her. But I think it's interesting
that you were seeing it as like that she was positively
coaching or, or telling him what he should say that would be
more nice or palatable or something.
And I viewed it as like, Oh my God, this girl is so kind of
twisted. Like, this is what you should
have said. And I don't think he needs the
coaching from another wife on what to say to another wife.
It's a little weird. Well, and I looked at it more.
As like, hey, dumbass, this isn't something that you should
say to your wife. Because like, if if we were out
somewhere together and if my husband said something stupid or
insensitive to me, you'd probably like give him a smack
on the shoulder and be like, this is.
Or if I was like, do I look fat in this outfit?
And if he was like, yeah, you look like a heifer, you'd
probably smack him and be like, this is where you tell her she
looks gorgeous. And that's kind of what I felt
from this moment was she could tell that Christine was really
upset because everyone's like looking and everyone's really
quiet. And Christine has this like
checked out vacant void look on her face and he's speaking at
her or like she is a dog that needs to be put in her place.
And then Robyn, in my mind, it felt like piped up and stood up
for her. Like, hey buddy, that's not what
you should be saying when someone's telling you they're
nervous or scared about something.
Sure, that's how I. Viewed it.
Now, I think if I knew all the manipulative stuff she'd done
down the road, I might be viewing it as you're viewing it.
But I do think that Robyn's
started out with good intentions here sometimes.
Sometimes when I see things like this, when I see bits of
dialogue between them like this, I don't think it was
disingenuous. I think she's trying to do the
right thing by them sometimes. And you know, I, you know.
This is it. I I wouldn't say that my
interpretation, I wouldn't back it up with some adamancy.
It's just observing this discussion in this conversation
happening. I just had the like little hairs
on the back of my neck stand up being like this bitch.
If I was married to someone, This is a whole nother dynamic.
How do you sit with your husband and talk about something like
this with his other spouses and another spouse jumps in to say
this is how you should be talking to Chris.
I would be like what is happening right now, like
because I can see what you're talking about.
It's interesting. And it's we have Robyn Robyn's
intentions. It's a mystery.
It's all just a mystery. I feel like if I were Christine.
And nobody had said anything. And he just spoke to me like
that. I would be more offended than
somebody saying this. I think I'd be like all right,
good to know that literally nobody has my back and they
heard him twist my words and repeat a different thing back to
me than what I actually said. Good to know that you all are
seeing this too, huh? Like I would be pissed.
Even as you're saying this, I. Am triggered by a relationship
I've had with someone in my life before where they really like
to tell me how I feel. They really like to tell me what
I think and it would be like, well, I know that you're just
blah, blah, blah, blah. And I would be like, I'm not
even knee jerk reaction upset that you're telling me how I
feel. That's not even true.
Like I can tell you how I'm feeling.
I can tell you what I'm thinking.
I haven't even volunteered that you think you know me so well.
You do know me really well. This person did know me really
well and half the time could probably tell you what I would
think about a situation, but that doesn't mean you just get
to tell me what I'm thinking as in this kind of manner.
It's manipulative and I don't know about all the terms, but
you don't get to tell someone this is how you feel and this is
how you think. It's fucked up.
I don't need you to be my mouthpiece.
Like when you open your mouth, my voice doesn't come out, Kody.
Like shut the fuck up. Hate that it's gaslighting.
This is like the. Definition of gaslighting.
Yeah, I mean, it's not a lot of people use that word now and
like, they misuse that word. But this is the definition of
gaslighting. What he's doing to her, you
know, I try to avoid. Gaslighting and narcissists and
things because everyone thinks, you know, someone wronged me,
they're a narcissist. It's like it's just not true.
It isn't true. Like OK this.
Is a very good example. Of gaslighting though.
He's literally twisting something that she said and
making it into something completely different and then
trying to convince her of his way and that that's what she
really thought. So weird.
It's. Gross and.
As a viewer, and like, how could people not see this, that this
is fucked up that he is doing this?
Yeah, I know it was so. Blatant.
Yeah, Well, OK. Now let's.
Cut to the vote. OK, so we've had this little
moment and then we go back to the restaurant and we've got
Robyn, Janelle and Christine. They say that they would support
making an offer on the homes, on the properties and giving
earnest money to hold them. It's almost like a little round
Robyn thing, but I feel like we didn't even get a good start to
it. It's just like Kody's just like,
what do you think? What do you think?
And so they say they would not a
lot of details. Then it gets to Meri.
Meri's like, I don't know. It's like, Oh my God, of course
Meri oh mayor. It's like production is going
wife. To wife and with each wife's
issue as to why they haven't agreed yet.
So first they go to Christine. Christine's little issues.
And then they cut back to the restaurant and Christine, will
they go around? And Christine reluctantly says,
yes, I get, I am in. And then Meri's turn to put up a
fight. I don't know.
Well, now we're going to go to
the couch. And what do you have to say,
Meri? Why don't you want to do it now?
And Meri's crying. Again, more tears from Meri.
I shouldn't be making fun of Meri.
I cry all the time, but you know, it's just so funny when
this is like, we're at the restaurant then literally cut
too and she's literally crying and it's like we don't even get
a ease in. There wasn't even any foreplay.
We're just like deep, balls deep and Meri's tears.
I noticed that her eyes look very very bright blue and it
made me wonder if she has colored contacts.
Yeah, I've thought that. A couple times about her too.
Yeah, she's crying. Because she's worried about
people judging her for the size of the home that she wants with
the one kid that she has and the fact that that kid is going to
be leaving for college. Yes, the judgement she.
Feels like she'll get from many people including her family
which is very important. Including the family, the.
Family's going to judge her. Meri explains how she feels like
she's been punished in the past because she only has one child.
And this is obvious. This is family history going
back a long time. It's about more than just marry,
having one child. There's a whole bunch of shit
which Janelle will bring up and we'll get into.
But you know, I don't really know how to read Meri sometimes
because she's starting with this whole like, I'm going to be
punished because I only have one child.
And I feel like she almost like volunteers the thing that she
feels will be disarmed or will be the like, what everyone is
going to say, this is what they're going to say.
And it's like, oh, I think you might be detracting from what
people might really say, which is that they think you just want
a big house. They think you want nice shit.
Janelle thinks he can't budget for shit.
And we'll get there. We get Meri.
Saying that oh this like, woe is me, people have punished me in
the past. They think that I don't deserve
as much as them because they have more kids than me and so
why should Meri have as much as we have?
And she doesn't deserve all of that.
And then Kody says he doesn't want her filling the void.
The lack of children with more bedrooms, yes.
Well, Meri says. I feel like Kody thinks I just
want a 7 bedroom house. That's all I want.
And it's like, OK, I mean, it's also funny with this show
because of the examples, Like why are we talking about a seven
bedroom house for a woman who has one child and a quarter of a
husband? Like, I just, this is just
ridiculous. But also, you know, then Kody
tries to jump in with his reassurance and I'm putting
reassurance in quotes. He wants Meri to recognize that
he also has a say. And he's doing this as a gesture
of like, listen, Mare, I, I want you to have the house that you
deserve, you know, and I'm your husband.
And I should get a say too. And it's like police.
Police have a say, too. And then she says that she, she
kind of does this like thing where she maybe like like puts
her crying a little bit. Well, I might just want a wet
bar or a deck. Like I didn't want 7 bedrooms
but perhaps a wet bar or a deck would tide me over.
Very important to. Emphasize the wet bar and a
deck. And then I thought to myself.
Did you just throw a temper tantrum?
Did you just pretend that this was about this whole other
problem so that people would cave to you so that you could
have your wet bar in your deck?
Meri, Wow. She would never do anything like
that because then Janelle. Says that she has always kind of
thought that they should conserve and that Meri should
have to conserve more because Meri has spent money that they
didn't need to spend. And she kind of gets into her
mindset behind why she thinks that Meri should taper back on
the spending a bit. And it makes sense logistically.
Like, yes, the people with more
kids are going to be spending more money.
So if you can, you know, live within your means a little bit
more so that they can have a little bit more.
If you are this big family that you say you are, then yes, you
would want to give to those that have, you know, more needs and
less than you because they have more needs.
But then I get her side where it's like no, no, no, no, no,
no. She is putting in all of the
effort and the time and has worked and is on the show and
deserves to get paid the same as everyone.
And just because they have more kids doesn't mean that they
deserve more. So I get both sides here before
Meri talks about. How she might want a wet bar in
a deck, which is gold. It is gold.
It is precious, precious gold, Meri says.
I want to have the conversation to Kody about the house.
But only with you, not with other people's input and their
opinion of what I get with less children, which is setting us
up for this whole the number of children talk and like ushering
in Janelle's, you know, points about conserving and doing
whatever. And Meri has the interesting
rebuttal where she says yes, but you know, I take care of my
things so they last longer. And it's like, you can tell this
is a long time. This conversation has probably
been happening for 20 years or something.
It's been going on for a long time.
Like Meri has her bullet points on why she should have a nice
coffee table because it gets taken care of.
The kids don't spill on it. The kids don't do whatever.
I take care of my things, which is, you know, basically a, I
don't know. Is it a masked insult to
Janelle? I don't think it's very masked.
Like, you don't take care of your shit, which she doesn't.
I mean, Christine's house, Yeah.
She was busy raising some kids and working.
She wasn't busy cleaning. Let me tell you, like, that
house was a disaster. So, you know, Meri's probably
like, I keep my shit nice, so I spend money on things and it's
nice. Christine does apologize.
To her in this moment though, and she says, I have thought
that in the past. I have had those thoughts in the
past, and then I've thought about it and I'm sorry, Meri.
Yeah, I have had those thoughts before.
And you're right. You don't deserve less than
because you have less children than us.
And then Janelle kind of backtracks and says that she
doesn't want her to feel judged for having one child and that
she doesn't think that she deserves less just because she
has one child as well. And then we hear again from
Savin Robyn. But before we go into Robyn.
I just want to point out that in this exchange somewhere, I, I
don't remember exactly where, is when Meri apologizes to Janelle.
I think it's when Janelle was
talking about the like, we had to conserve and we had to do
whatever and you didn't. And Meri's like, I'm sorry,
Janelle, that you thought that I was taking things that belong
to you and it was. So these people have such, these
wives, these people have such deep hurt and things that have
not been addressed for so long.
Because even Meri's apology to me didn't read like a, it didn't
sound like a real apology. It was like, I'm just going to
point out that, Oh, I'm sorry for taking things that you
thought were yours. Like, Oh my God, like people are
just the passive aggressiveness and the like,
it's almost like isn't, aren't these moments to actually have
some real vulnerability and to build some real connection in
your relationship and mend some things and move forward.
And it's like they're all just kind of Christine does
apologize. It did seem legitimate.
She has a way of talking that's a little like a little almost
too matter of fact for the time. It almost seemed a little
insensitive, like I'm sorry for thinking you needed a smaller
house. And it's like, oh God, you could
have probably phrased that a little more gentle because you
are apologizing. But Meri, I mean, my God, the
whole like, sorry that you thought I took things from you.
It's like, Oh my God, it's so
all over the. Place this conversation is so
back and forth between everybody and she's just like getting
defensive but also crying. And you can tell some of these
things they've been thinking about.
Oh, well, they're washing their hair in the shower.
This is what I should have said.
And next time when I get a chance to say this, this is what
I'm going to say. Meri's apology reminded me.
Of when someone apologizes for like, well, I'm sorry if you
feel like I blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, and it's like you're
apologizing for my feelings now.
Like that's not what you need to be apologizing for.
Like no, when somebody says that they're not.
Apologizing. I'm sorry that you feel that
way. They're not apologizing for
their behavior. They're saying, well, your
reaction isn't what I expected.
And Nah, that sucks. Yeah, and that's what she did
here. So true.
Okay, sorry for interrupting you when you were talking about the
Robyn point, because that is what we're coming up to.
Robyn. Robyn Sabin cry brows.
Here we are rather yuck moment from.
Robyn She brings up the surrogacy, of course, because
why not? It has to be brought up.
Robyn And then Robyn starts a Sabin.
So she brings up the surrogacy and then she goes.
I just wonder what her life would be like if she'd had more
kids, and would it be more fulfilling?
And what if she had a little boy that was running through her
house and then scratched his name into some of her nice
furniture? Maybe her furniture wouldn't be
so nice if she'd had more kids running through her house.
No? Your reenaction right now.
Is oh, it's so precious. It's literally making me cry.
She is crying. When she's talking about this
and she's putting her hand down and she's I just.
And that's why I brought up the surrogacy, because I know how
important my children are to me and how much they mean to me.
And for me to bring up when I got her to Meri and I just love.
The.
Idea of the visual. I had of a little boy running
through a room and like scratching his name into a
coffee table. I was like fuck yes, what child
scratches. Their name into their parents
like kitchen table or coffee table.
It's so good you do. That like a normal child.
And you crawl under your bed and you do that in the floorboard,
you motherfucker. Or in a closet.
But I. Can't see it, it's so.
Silly, I mean. It's so great because even when
watching this, like Robyn's working herself up, She's
getting herself upset by sharing this, and she really just
wants this for Meri. Meri does not get any more
emotional. I noticed if you, I mean, I
shouldn't say that I looked at her at the beginning of Robyn's
breakdown and then at the end, and she doesn't look any change.
Like she doesn't look any more sad or like she's touched.
She's just kind of like watching.
No, because I'd be offended. If I were her, I'd be like, cuz
I have less love in my heart because I only have one
childhood bitch. Because you know how it feels to
care about children more than I do just because you have more
kids than me, right? That doesn't track.
That's not fucking true. It's so bad.
It's like, yeah, not. Only is this mildly offensive
EPS? It is, but like what the fuck
you're just saying to her. Everything that she fears, she
fears that the family thinks that she doesn't have as much,
you know, love in her life or as much value, value because she
doesn't have children. And you're basically saying
she's never going to know what it's like to be a Mama because
she only has 1, not 5, right? Like and she's been integral.
In all of these children's lives that we raise as a family, she
has plenty of children that are not her bio child.
And yet she's, you know, she's definitely lacking.
And it's all a continued thing with the production of the show.
Like, can't we just get over this?
Do we have to keep talking about it?
Yeah, It's just offensive at this.
Point and they don't get it. She doesn't fucking get it.
She doesn't get it. No yuck.
Shut up. Wow.
OK, so my face. Hurts from laughing and your
theatrical presentation. Your version of Robyn crying.
Thank you for that. Oh boy, I think right now would.
Be a great time to. Take a break.
Yes. There's still so much left of
this episode to get through. Yeah.
So what we're going to do, ladies and gentlemen, Ladies,
gentlemen, theys, themes, boys, girls, and others, we are going
to take a break. We're actually going to take a
break right now. I'm probably going to go to the
bathroom and then we're going to drop the second part of this
episode as a bonus. Bright and early Thursday
morning, 2 episodes in one week.
A titillating little appetizer. Here, a little loose sushi roll
appetizer. When you saw loose sushi, I was.
Like oh God, she's going to say
loose tool again. I don't have any loose stools.
We'll be right back. Yeah, Hopefully my.
Stool's nice and firm, OK? Oh God, we'll see you on the
flip side.