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You. Shut it off.
Do not twist my words. Do not make me a victim,
sweetie. Just look at the mountain.
That's what you saw that day. Just the knife and the kidneys
over all these years and the sacrifices that I made to love
you. Oh my gosh.
Part 2. Part 2 of Season 1, Episode 9.
Boy, there's a lot to cover. Season 1 episode 9 sister wives
honeymoon special Now we broke this into two episodes basically
to spare you listening to us for two hours talking about this
episode because there was so much coverage, so many back and
forths. And so much was so gross.
This is that you you, you had multiple times during this
episode where you felt grossed out.
So we want to make sure to spread that, spread that
grossness, spread that love. We're really just thinking about
you. When it comes to my Sister Wives
podcast, we do put the listeners first.
OK. We are clearly overwhelmed with
the amount of grossness that we have taken in and it has
affected us and we will get our acts together for you.
Yes, but thank you for giving us the grace that the original
wives, the OG 3 have given Robyn.
You're giving us that grace. The honeymoon might be a lot,
but we needed our own little honeymoon.
We need a little break. So jumping back in from where we
ended at the last episode, Kody and Robyn are on their honeymoon
in San Diego and the wives are taking all of the children.
The the other three wives, Meri, Janelle, and Christine, are
taking the kids to on a picnic in the park.
And basically, we've watched them have shenanigans and blah,
blah blah blah, getting the kids ready and then they're finally
at the park after, yeah, whatever it took and Meri
handing kids knives in plastic bags.
And Kody and Robyn have been in San Diego and it has been
absolutely disgusting And as Ali said, gross.
Yes. Yes, yeah, Logan is taking
charge and doing great, Meri says he has really stepped up.
Christine says. Well, especially when Kody's not
around. Yeah.
And Janelle kind of elaborates on how they treat their older
children kind of as young adults, which you definitely
see. They don't do a lot of the
babying of children really. I mean, they do, they're
affectionate and all of that, but they don't baby.
And as the kid kids get older, they really do, you know, kind
of expect them to jump in and help out.
And I don't think there's anything wrong with that.
I think that's great. They do say that they treat
their teens like they're young adults.
I scratch my head a little bit about the mild parentification
of this stuff, like, you know, having kids have too much
responsibility when it comes to taking care of their younger
siblings. As an oldest child, I feel like
my perspective is that it's mostly OK.
My experience was that it was mostly OK because I didn't mind
leaning into like making meals and helping out with my
brothers. I it just kind of seemed it just
kind of came naturally to me. And I get that sense from Logan
as well. It doesn't seem like he's
begrudgingly doing anything. They do use him as an example in
the show. Other siblings are doing it as
well. But he's definitely their
example of like, oh, look at him stepping up in his dad's
absence. And it doesn't really bother me.
But I've read online it seems to bother other people this
parentification. I, I think there's healthy ways
to do it and unhealthy ways to do it right.
Like if parents are just sitting back twiddling their thumbs and
not parenting at all while their children are parenting, that is
problematic. Now, asking your children to
participate in the activities of your family and of your home.
I don't think that there's anything wrong with that.
And it does teach them responsibility and it helps them
once they jump into that world out there, know how to do some
of these things. You see some people that get out
on their own and have no clue. But that's an interesting point
that you made about the oldest child myself also oldest child.
And it's interesting to think that yeah, there are like 4
oldest children in their family, right?
Like, and they're simultaneously doing probably similar things
and I, I'm sure that probably gets highlighted in different
ways about all of them, like throughout the years and stuff.
But Logan is definitely the one right now that is taking on a
brunt of responsibility. I think the only thing I don't
like about it is the reason kind of why he's having to do some of
that stuff. And it's because his dad's
absent because he's choosing to be with otherwise.
Like I just, I don't know how to reconcile that in the brain,
right? Like, I know that this is their
family and this is their culture, but like, he's just
choosing to bring additional people into the family and to
give you less time. Like that's what's being chosen.
So it's hard to reconcile in that brain for me.
Like, but I'm still your kid too.
You're just telling me that now I get less and less and less of
your time, You know? I don't know.
And we do see that later with
particularly the older girls, like Logan's the oldest, and
then there are other girls that particularly like Christine's
daughters and then Meri's child Leon, who do also have these
leadership roles and kids, you know, they take care of things.
And I think that's just kind of what happens in families.
And on a personal note, I wasn't mad about it because I think it
helped me with some, I don't want to like over dramatize it,
but with some leadership ability with some like get it done this
with being able to like manage things and and that's definitely
helpful going into the real world.
Also noteworthy, the camera work during this picnic outing
atrocious. Like, they did, they had, like,
you know, they were roasting the marshmallows on the sticks.
And at one point, the camera, like, zooms in to, like,
Gwendolyn with her little marshmallow that's on fire.
But like, it's not focused on anything and it's just
distracting. It's just like this.
Oh, my God. I was nauseous.
Yeah. What are you doing?
Stop it. And then it just kept jiggling
around all over the goddamn place.
They definitely didn't have their stabilizers on or
something. It was, it was a lot.
It was. Like is it a home video?
But I don't think so. Like yeah, while Logan is kind
of manning the grill bit, they show him flipping burgers and
doing the things cause Kody's absent shock.
Fucking his other wife. Sorry.
They show Peyton yelling at Aurora for taking his spot in a
folding chair, which is a it's funny to see because as kids,
like, oh, you took my chair and blah, blah, blah.
And he would not let it go. And Logan tried for a second and
then just kind of gave up because once again, like he's
not a parent, he's just playing this role.
But I think it's interesting because Christine talks about
how Peyton picks on the new sisters.
And there's something about this that I'm not sure gets addressed
a lot in the show. But there will be times where we
notice Peyton's absence in the show.
There were they don't show him doing much.
And there is a little bit of something with him picking on
his siblings as time goes on where he's maybe crosses some
lines. And I think this is the first
time where we see him not giving up on something that doesn't
really matter. And he's so young, So what are
you going to do? I mean, we're certainly not
trying to psychoanalyze a child, but just pointing out that in
the future, there are times that we won't probably see much of
him. And maybe it's because a lot of
the footage might be unflattering.
Oh, interesting. I guess I don't know if I'm
really aware of that, but now. Yeah, because in the future
there are issues with him and Gwendolyn and actual issues.
Actually now, yeah, I probably saw some Tik toks about that.
And I don't know the details of those things.
We're just doing some foreshadowing of foreshadowing.
And then they cut to the three wives around the fire in an
interview moment. A3 for one spotlight moment.
So I'm I'm not. For one spotlight I like that
spotlight I like. That I don't know that we should
you know how cruel make them all share a spotlight like oh God,
but. Hey, they chose this Life, OK?
Meri talks about how it's no secret that her and Kody have
had serious issues and that she detaches from the family when
she's upset with Kody, and we talked about this in our recap
of Episode 8. How Meri is now referencing at
the end of the season these big issues and these problems that
she has in her relationship with Kody, but yet while they're
filming earlier, I don't really know that there's any big
things. I mean, they show their
honeymoon dinner and that was an awkward conversation, but it's
almost like, did I miss something?
Like, why is Meri's relationship with Kody so horrible?
I don't really know. You know, that's a good point.
And I guess I'm not sure if she specifically said exactly what
the issues have been. I think that we have seen some
instances where maybe they were not on the same page infertility
wise and things like that, but she doesn't necessarily say that
those are their big issues, you know, But I think it was pretty
clear that it was 1 and that they certainly weren't on the
same page about that. I think sometimes when she talks
about her jealousy issues, she's not talking about this as if
it's been the first time she's been jealous.
I think that she probably had moments of that with both
Janelle and Christine as well, and maybe also just jealousy
moments of the amount of children every other wife has.
And so, like if I was trying to pinpoint without hearing the
words from her mouth about some of their big issues, those would
be the things that would come to mind.
Yeah, and that absolutely. She does talk about jealousy.
There's just something about the scope of which it was approached
before these final episodes that makes me go was this such?
If this was such a big deal, why are we just hearing about it
now? Kind of.
Right but right. We have also heard these kernels
before, so maybe I'm just an insensitive man.
Typical man, you know. But she hasn't specifically said
it. Like she hasn't specifically
said these are the things we've really been struggling with over
the years. Like, yeah, it's that has
certainly not. It's almost like a reference to
things that we don't know about or like that's not part of the
family, which is another thing that is weird with her.
It's like, I don't know. But she does say, and I think
that that's part of it, that she detaches from everybody else
when she does have these issues. And so I can only imagine that
if you're feeling like you're struggling with your husband,
but you're seeing him in other relationships that maybe aren't
at least seemingly that way or you wouldn't be shared the
details if they had struggles as well.
You're probably sitting there going how awful is my life?
And look at how great theirs is. And just, you know, going into
this rabbit hole of insanity and, yeah, you're already
detaching yourself from everybody else.
So then that's creating other dynamics within the family and
the other kids and the other wives and all of this, which we
know from the future that other children have very interesting
perceptions of how Meri parented them and how Meri was involved
in their relationship. So yeah, I mean.
And you are foreshadowing experiences that other wives
share in the future about that. How do I sit here and watch
someone have a healthy marriage with someone when I don't?
And that brings about a whole like, I don't know what that
means. I've never been in that
situation. That would be a lot to manage.
Could not, yeah. So one relationship is hard
enough, right? One relationship is hard enough
to balance any of the challenges that you go through, let alone
like just think about watching your friends be in
relationships, right? And like whether you are in a
relationship or not, there are aspects of that that you either
maybe admire or like, thank the Lord, you know, like I'm glad
I'm not in that situation. I just you're right, like having
you be one of four in this picture.
It just seems nearly impossible to me to have, like, a healthy
psychological balance for all of these women.
Like, like, how is there a way? And that's not even necessarily
like a fault of Kody Brown. Well, I would blame him for
every single thing I can, right? Like, I am not.
This is not your second pass. Oh, but he does have two more
before the end of the season. Well, I think it's for the
lifetime of the. Show, I'm sorry, you're right.
You're right. We did not have a deadline on
it. Thank you.
I was like, God, I can't have to.
No, he does get two more passes. I possibly cannot handle this
out, but but yeah, it's interesting, you know, they're
when they're around the fire like that to.
Janelle tells Meri that she's really impressed with how she
has evolved. Because Janelle thinks it's
really impressive that Meri is starting to share these feelings
with how she does feel with Robyn coming in and some of this
stuff. Because for Janelle and
Christine, it's new to hear the stuff from Meri, right?
Like they are not used to her opening up and sharing her, her
feelings like that. So that was interesting.
And then Janelle also said, well, I've always been a lot
less needy. Like I'm just not as needy as
you are. She didn't, she didn't throw it
as a dig, but it was interesting.
Maybe Meri even said, like, well, I know you've never really
had to deal with these feelings. And Jill's like, I'm just, I'm
just not that needy. Right.
And yeah, Meri says that she thinks Janelle has always been
independent. Yes.
Yes, yes. And, you know, I'm not quite
sure what to think about the whole Meri doesn't express
herself because I feel like in the future they that narrative
is actually flipped where it was like Meri was always expressing
herself and I didn't know how to like deal with that.
So it's like, I don't really know about that, but in this
moment it makes sense maybe. She's found a healthier way to
express herself. Instead of out of anger and
frustration, she's just having a level headed conversation about
it. Maybe that's the difference.
That is probably true. Kody says it's all about
sensitivity when it comes to his wives.
He's just, you know, he's so sensitive, which is funny
because we have literally seen him be insensitive repeatedly in
Season 1. Well, the sentence that
followed, It's all about sensitivity was I've spent my
fair share of time being insensitive.
Oh my God. So clearly he's on the right
path because he knows that's important.
He doesn't always do it. He's trying to be better, I
guess. I don't know.
The wives say that Kody always runs into emotional landmines
when he returns to them or returns home.
I guess that makes sense, but I don't know.
What do you think? Yeah, they were kind of
describing both what he has to deal with when he gets home, but
also kind of what they need from him when he gets home because
they said that they needed him. Maybe it was, I don't know if it
was Janelle, probably Christine. That's sorry.
I didn't mean that to sound like Christine.
But they said that they needed him to fill their emotional
bank, right? Like their Piggy Bank, but their
emotional bank. And sometimes they didn't feel
like they got that in return from him.
So they felt a little depleted and that he wasn't doing the
right things to make up for that.
Christine said she wished that she didn't care this much like
that she wanted to be more independent and to not let this
affect her. Like, she hates the fact that
this new situation that they're in is affecting her like this.
And I think that's kind of telling with how things progress
with Christine, too, right? Yeah, they discuss.
Like, is it ridiculous to think about him too much?
Right. Like in their absence, is it
ridiculous to think about him too much?
And I'm going like, well, he's your husband.
So it's weird coming from a monogamous background to think,
well, what are you talking about?
Like if your spouse is spending a bunch of time with someone
else, of course it's not ridiculous to think about it,
But also they signed up to have their spouse spend this time
with another person. I know, it's so
counterintuitive, all of it. Like it just does not like
there's not a safe balance thing.
Like, of course you're going to still be crazy about stuff.
Like, of course you're you're crazy still going to come
through with all of that. Yeah.
You know, like, absolutely. You know, I really thought it
was rich though, that then Meri refers to Kody as the glue that
holds them all together. Yeah, right.
Is there something about glue coming from like a horse
factory? I don't know.
There's something like. The sheer look of terror on my
face, like oh, don't. Do that.
Don't do that. But really?
Allegedly. But this is true.
I mean, you know, Meri does say that.
And I guess you know, in in a way that's true.
I mean, they're all married to him.
Listen, I think Kody was supposed to be the glue that
holds this whole family together.
He's supposed to be the glue. And when he starts failing at
that duty, this family falls apart.
Like literally you can blame the demise of his marriages on no
one but him. Like he was in 4 marriages at
one time and only one has survived.
The onus of that is only on one person and it is him.
So like sorry Sir, you were the glue.
You should have been the glue. You built this whole big thing
for all of these people and then you dropped the ball.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. You were some shitty glue.
Basically you were glue that didn't hold it together.
Elmer's instead of super. Yes, yes, the kind.
You can just play Elmer's instead of Gorilla.
Elmer's instead of Gorilla. He's the Elmer's when you need
Gorilla 100. Yeah, loser.
Kody Brown is a loser. So then we flashback to
beautiful sunny San Diego and Robyn insists that Kody call his
wives. She required it from him when he
and Meri were in Mexico for their anniversary.
So I think that's an interesting tidbit that she basically told
him. I don't know.
Yeah, I might be putting some words in Robyn's mouth, but you
need to call me while you're in Mexico with Meri.
And therefore, now that the roles are reversed and he's on
vacation with her, she is adamant that he call his wives
to check in on them and to talk to them.
And that's coming from someplace.
I don't know what place that is, but I think it's interesting.
I found it very interesting that after they had that Robyn and
Kody clip and then Kody was calling the other wives, one of
them, I'm not sure if it was Meri Christine or Janelle, but
one of them said Kody is really growing and improving.
It's not all Robyn like, like it was implied that Robyn is making
him do all of these things. And they were like, no, I just
think he's really evolving and growing and getting better.
And so now he does this and it's like, no, you lunatic, she is
doing that. But she was telling him to do
this because she thought that it would be meaningful to the other
wives, which is admirable. And I think that that's great,
but the the underlying truth is that it's because she wants to
be able to ask that of him and have that be OK.
So what she is doing is saying, well, if you do this for them
when you're with me, then I can ask for this when you're with
them and it's not a problem. So again, it's the right words,
but it's not necessarily the right actions.
Like there is manipulation behind it, and if it's not
intentional manipulation, there is an underlying something that
she is doing. It's like she's trying to build
a framework. She's trying to have something
happen where he is expressing himself to his wives.
He's connecting with them, but it's not of his volition.
Like I, he doesn't come out straight and say, oh, I don't
want to talk to my wives or I wouldn't call them.
But when someone's making you communicate with another person,
that doesn't mean that you want to bottom.
Line No. And she's just looking out for
her own interests. And she just wants to be able to
say that Kody is the best husband that there is around.
He is such a good husband. He loves his wife so much.
Look at all he does for his whole family and all of his
wives. But what she's not taking into
account is truly how he's treating his other wives, truly
how they are receiving. Yeah, all of this truly how his
hi, truly sorry a lot about you and all of these things, but
like she she's she wants to be able to project that he's just
this, you know, gem and it's like, listen, that might be what
you need. They talk about their needs
being so different, right? Like they all need different
things from him. You're getting what you want.
Nobody else is girl, like nobody else is.
And you're not even recognizing it.
And it's barely started. You're 2 weeks in, you know.
She needs him to demonstrate her talking point of Part of the
reason that I fell in love with Kody was how he treated his
other wives, so she really needs him to look like he is actually
treating his wives well. And she says she wants the other
wives to feel secure. And it's like, bitch, please.
Like, you do. Not you.
Yeah. You just don't want them to
cause problems for you. You don't want them to feel
secure. You just don't want them to be
problematic. Totally.
It's like mild villain thing or something.
Like, I just want these people to feel this way so that they
feel feel that way. It's like, OK, whatever.
Speaking of somebody getting in their feels.
Janelle, yeah, yeah, Janelle and her feels when she talks about
ignoring Kody's phone calls. I was dead.
Yeah, it was a little. There was a little bit of
sequencing issues with her description and what we learned
a few minutes later. But from what I gathered, it
sounded like perhaps for as much as seven days she ignored his
phone calls and she references that he called 5 or 6 times in a
row at one point and she finally gave up and answered.
It was interesting to see Janelle talk about how they're
growing closer as a family by having a new wife join while
also ignoring his phone calls because she is upset.
She was pissed. She was very mad.
And, you know, it kind of doesn't really align with her
cool, calm, collected, you know, worker mentality or what they
this thing they give her, this trope they place on her, when in
all reality, yeah, she's fucking pissed.
Do you think it was because she was mad she didn't get sex for
11 days? Oh God.
No. Well, that was maybe part of it.
I don't know how particularly horny Janelle was at this time.
I think Janelle has a healthy sex drive and I don't think
there is much else that would make her that mad.
Yeah, like what is Kody really doing for her?
Right? Like how is he really helping
her? Well like you said like one out
of every 10 times. She could maybe need help with
something. He might have been there, and
then anything else outside of that is probably just the big O,
I'm guessing. I don't know, you know, the way
that she makes him. She was so mad.
And she's. First decline.
Decline. Yes.
Decline. Decline.
Oh my God. Wow.
Yeah, You know, maybe Janelle was also sexually frustrated.
I, I don't know, there was, it was some big feelings that she
is still not over probably to this day.
So. But in classic Janelle fashion,
does she really get into the details of those things?
No. So now we are left to speculate
that it's because she wasn't getting her thing done.
Well she just kept saying 11 days is too long, 11 days is too
long. So I'm reading the the like
undertones of what she is. Which I cannot identify with
because 11 days, that's that a long time ago.
No shame, no shame in this game. No shame.
Sorry. I'm protecting my shame on you.
Another thing I picked up on in their kind of spotlight moments,
particularly Robyn and Kody, is, and this touches on what we were
just discussing, is that Robyn seems to be what I thought is
that she's like coaching Kody in these moments about the
importance of making his wives feel important.
It's like she keeps reiterating these points in front of him in
a way to like demonstrate what he should be saying or thinking
and he's just kind of like agreeing and nodding.
And also, they're on their honeymoon, so I think he's
probably thinking about how he just wants to get off camera and
like, oh, have sex or something. But it's just the word coaching
to me stuck out in my head. She is like leading him along
what he should be saying and it drives me nuts.
I hear you. Because she was telling him that
he needed to do better. Yeah, Now just listening to you
describe it that way, there's a level of like, this man has been
married to these women, what, 1617 and 20 years?
Yeah. So the fact that Robyn wants to
come in now and start training him on how to treat his wives is
kind of rich, right? Because, like, they have made it
1617 and 20 years without her involvement.
And it hasn't been easy and he certainly hasn't been perfect.
But oh, the irony that her trying to train him into a
better husband. Yeah actually makes 3 divorces
happen right? Like.
And then on the flip side is her like sacrificial lamb bit like.
Oh, the martyr, the martyr. Yeah, exactly.
Like, oh, I just wanted him to be the best for his wives.
It's like. OK, well you did say that in
front of him to in hopes that he would agree like.
And then you lost the life that you had always hoped for.
I wanted to sit on the porch with my sister wives.
OK, that's we're getting way ahead of ourselves, but anyone
who knows, knows and you'll know what we're talking about.
Yeah, that was rich, I mean. Yep, at one point.
Then during these interviews, Kody and Janelle both talk about
how they started as friends and Janelle says that they were best
friends and Kody talks about how they weren't romantic, they were
basically just platonic friends and Kody and Janelle don't seem
to be on the same page about romance and the wives different
positioning. Christine says that Kody never
valued her as an intellectual. Yes.
And Meri says that the grass is always greener.
So it seems like they're all just kind of recognizing their
different perspectives. But the main point that I picked
up on was that Janelle and Kody were platonic.
They were friends. She says they're best friends,
blah, blah, blah. And it's like, OK, well, I don't
know. You were married to Meri's
brother and you clearly have like, some sort of sexual thing.
So I'm imagining being Meri and watching Janelle become quote UN
quote best friends with Kody while she's married to him.
Like there's something a little weird there, but I think the
emphasis is really that they didn't have some sort of wild
romance in their perspective. They both really think that they
were just like good friends. And I don't remember if it was
Kody kind of analyzing this or if it was somebody else, I'm not
sure. But it was alluding to the fact
that even though, sorry, even though Janelle and Kody didn't
have that romantic relationship, that maybe now that she was
seeing that with Robyn, like seeing him have a romantic
relationship with Robyn, that maybe she was desiring more of
that. I don't know that I buy that
about Janelle a lot, but maybe there is something that was
making her doubt her connection with him in some fashion, right?
Like. That could be.
I don't, I don't really know what it was.
I was heartbroken that Christine didn't feel like she was valued
as an intellectual. Like I thought that was pretty.
I thought that was pretty big. And I think that that's why she
ends up where she does, because she just never thought that she
was valued and respected and treated in a way that she should
have been over the years. You know, like, I don't know.
It's funny to hear you say that your heart was broken because I
kind of just. Laughed because she's not an
intellectual. Yeah, I mean, I just kind of
like, I just kind of shrug my shoulders because I'm like,
yeah, like, Christine, you're not an intellectual.
Like, literally, I don't know why you think you would be
valued for that. But I'm an asshole so I don't
know what to say. Well, maybe it's not the right
word that she used. Maybe what she means is more
like, now I'm trying to find the right way to picture this, but
like, she does have good qualities, right?
Like she is. Yeah.
She. She is a great caretaker.
She is like a great cook. And she can do all of these
different things, like I Intellectual maybe or maybe not
the right word for her. Yeah.
But maybe there's a lot we don't know about her, too.
I don't know. Yeah.
I just think it showed that she didn't believe that he
appreciated her in the same way that he did his other wives.
I think. I think that it means that he
didn't think she was as smart and as valuable as his other
wives. And that's what she felt from
the beginning. Whether it's the right word or
not, I think those were the feelings.
And putting words into her mouth, perhaps, you know,
dismissed and set aside that kind of thing.
I mean that that was the vibes to take away.
It just didn't hit me in any real fields.
Well, I mean, I don't know, I was going to.
Like I can't imagine marrying someone who I feel like doesn't
take me seriously. Like I don't even know what that
means. I don't know.
I'm going to let you in on a big secret.
Sometimes when you marry people, you believe they feel one way
about you, right? And then sometimes, yeah, things
change. And then they change.
Fair enough from a single person's perspective who's never
been married. I'm not even saying just from my
perspective in that I'm saying from watch the show, yes, what
they thought they were marrying was a dairy, dairy different,
very different situation than what they got, you know?
Amen. There's also a little clip of
Kody and Meri on the phone while.
He's in San. Diego and to me it feels like
they're speaking completely different languages.
It's like he's doing this obligatory check in because
Robyn's made sure that he knows that it's important and she's
talking about dreams or he brings up the dreams.
They must have had a discussion about dreams.
She, the way that she's responding would have made me
ask, like, you OK, or dive into it a little bit.
And maybe it's just because they're on camera, but they seem
to be completely disconnected from my perspective.
Also what was super off putting about it was that Kody is
sitting in their hotel room with Meri on speakerphone and talking
to Meri all lovey dovey while Robyn is in the bathroom in the
same room. Yeah.
And what do I think happened? I think Kody was putting on a
show for Robyn. And I think that Meri knew that
Kody was putting on a show for Robyn and could tell that she
was on speakerphone and knew that what he was saying was not
truly what he meant to say. And he even talked about like a
text exchange they had had about like their dreams or something.
I couldn't follow any of that shit.
But I'm like, is Robyn telling you what to text your other?
Why? Oh God.
Like there was an ick factor to that big time.
And I think Meri was picking up on the ick factor and he was not
obviously because he thought look at me killing it.
I talked about my dreams with my first wife, you know, like, and
I don't. It was gross, yeah.
And I don't remember exactly what was said, but there was an
element to of him ushering her in a direction like he, I feel
like he thinks he's manipulating these people in a way that they
never pick up on. But this is an example where I
do think Meri was not into it, but he was definitely doing some
sort of manipulation tactic with.
Some of the things like I want you to think about that or next
time try it that way or something like that.
It was a way of guidance in how she should do something in the
future, most certainly the whole thing.
Yeah, it was totally a gag worthy moment.
Now, if there had been a camera in Meri's house receiving that
phone call #1 would be curious to see how different it would
be. But Oh my gosh, if her actual
like, body language during that was cat like, Can you imagine
the look on her face? Yeah, if that's what she was
perceiving, she was. She was cold.
She was not warm and fuzzy other than saying like I miss you at
the beginning. And then she kind of realized
what was happening and she was grossed.
Out. Yeah, Yeah.
It must be so disappointing to be on the other end of a call
like that, to be on the receiving end of that call like
gross. Gross.
Gross, weird. We're back and also like, she
gets to watch this in the future, like, you know.
Like she gets to. See that That's what he did.
Yeah. Oh yes re watching something
that you had a gut check or feel about and then to see it just
confirms. Validated.
Yeah, we are so disgusted. It's so bad, all right, The,
the, the lovely couple, the couple that we're just so
enthralled with, the people's couple, the people's couple.
Whose people? The people's the worst people
you've ever met. The worst people you've ever
met. Couple comedy and Robyn.
I just needed that clarification.
Return to the homeland, to Utah. And so they're back in town and
they're getting back into the swing of things, blah, blah,
blah. But of course there's some sort
of like, we're getting together, blah, blah, blah, whatever.
They start with Christine talking about a conversation she
had with Robyn where she asks Robyn or states, I guess it's a
statement and a question. Tell me you needed this.
And Robyn said that she did. And Christine says that that's
sad, and I didn't really, really get that.
I did not follow this at all. It was weird because it seemed
like Christine was trying to say what my interpretation of it
was, was that Christine was saying if Robyn really needed
this, then that's great, I'm glad she had it and I'm going to
give it to her or whatever. But then she said that that's
sad. And I'm like, well, what's sad
is, are your feeling sad or is it sad that Robyn needed a
honeymoon? Like I didn't really get it.
OK, so if I'm being bitter, cynical me when she first asked
Robyn, just tell me that you needed this.
She asked it because I mean, they were.
We know that this was her motive in asking the question, right?
That they were all still so fucking pissed that he was gone
for 11 days. That she's like, I just need to
know that you needed this, Robyn.
And it's like, first of all, what does that fucking change
doesn't change anything. If Robyn needed this, that
doesn't fucking matter. You're still mad at your husband
husband because he prioritized her for nearly two weeks over
you and the other wives and your children.
PS By the way, so like, so like, get the fuck out of here with
all of that. Like I, I, I don't quite
understand the motivation, but behind asking the question I do
not get yeah, where she was going with like.
Where was she ever going to go with it?
Well, right. And then of course, what's
probably going to say no, I just want to take away your husband.
I was just being self. I didn't mean silly me.
Oh, I didn't realize that would be problematic for you.
My bad. Like, no, of course she's going
to say yes. I needed this.
Yeah, but the. Oh, that's so sad.
And it was in a Christine tone of voice.
Oh, that's so sad. Like, what do you mean it's so
sad? Is it sad because you are now
realizing that if Robyn needs something, her needs are going
to be prioritized over yours? Is that what's sad?
And we're just not allowing to frame that full picture right
now. Is it sad that Robyn just felt
like she wasn't getting enough the whole courting period?
Is that what's sad? What the fuck's sad?
I think it's sad that Christine's not an intellectual.
Oh shit. Yeah, I wasn't sure if it was
like an error or an omission or something that was missed
because the that sad bit, I mean, I, I know what you're
saying, like. Thinking about what could it
mean, but I honestly just didn't even get it at all.
No, it seemed like they left us hanging with something like they
did not complete the picture or the puzzle, if you will.
I think the only thing they kind of even went to after that was
just that they all have different needs at different
times, right? Which, yes, obviously they do.
You know, in editing, they cut to Kody saying that he and Robyn
did need a long honeymoon because the family is so large
and that the other wives didn't have kids when they got married.
So I think that was maybe a tie in to some of the like, why did
you need such a long honeymoon? I don't know if that was
supposed to be an answer to that.
He also kind of said though that like the other wives also had a
unique experience. Like he may be equated the time
frame differently because of children, but at the beginning
he was like Oh no, every wife had a unique experience for
their honeymoon. I suppose in the sense that it
wasn't planned or executed well. And that they took a road trip
of varying hours or days and ended up in certain places and
some got sick and some didn't and some hated it and some
didn't. So you are right, unique
experiences, I guess that's what he means.
Yeah, he didn't say good experience.
No, he didn't. He said unique the strategory
behind this man sometimes. Did you catch Robyn's like a
little emotional tidbit after that though?
What did? What was that?
She was talking about the length of time that they had been gone
and that there had been maybe some frustration on otherwise
parts. And she said that she she was
not quite sobbing, but she was a little teary eyed.
And she said that the sisterhood that she had been promised had
gotten yanked away like sometimes throughout this whole
like courting process and the fields and then the honeymoon
that this, this sisterhood had gotten yanked away.
But now that they're back and everybody's together, she has a
glimpse of hope. Good, you want.
Robyn was really worried about her.
The whole time everyone was really worried about Robyn's
hope, and she talks about how she wants relationships with the
wives as much as she wants them with Kody, so she's got these
talking points down for. Bullshit.
Verb. She definitely had some sort of
things to say. Were they based in reality and
do I believe them? Jury's still out on that.
Do you know why at this point in the episode they cut to the
wives shopping, it seems. I don't really know if there's
some sort of reason they did this other than that.
Maybe they just had some footage they wanted to put in, but all
of a sudden they're shopping. Do you remember why?
Yes. So they had returned home and
Kody wanted to get the whole family together for a dinner,
but he didn't want the wives to have to prepare that.
So he sent all of the wives. I say he sent generously.
I don't know whose idea it was for them to have a shopping
trip. Yeah, someone more thoughtful to
him. Yes, Correct.
And him to prepare dinner with the kids.
But that's what was happening. They were out shopping and he
was at home with the kids preparing dinner.
I also remember there was a point that they were in the
midst of preparing dinner and he started reading instructions off
of a bag of tater tots. Like just aloud to the kitchen.
He goes, someone needs to listen to this 'cause you have to cook
it like Tater. Tots He.
Had a bag of tater tots that he was reading the directions aloud
like somebody listened, 'cause you got to do it.
Like what are you doing, Sir? Oh my gosh, now that is funny to
think that you need that. You couldn't just tell a kid,
hey, turn the oven onto this temperature and put him in for
this long that he needed to read it to another child and they
needed to be aware. Like, this is it.
But that was it. So.
And it was actually cute. Him and the kids cooking dinner
was cute, but that's why the women were shopping.
And oh boy, they're shopping. And they're shopping now.
I do have to give Kody Father of the Year award for making dinner
for his own children or insisting that they be on top of
the Tater Tots or whatever it is.
I guess he probably, you know, dismembered and burned an
animal. I just, I don't know God.
Listen, he grilled steaks. He made them do everything else.
He wore an apron that said I turn the grill on.
Yes, he did. He turns the grill on.
Gross. Listen, it wouldn't be that off
putting from some people. Why does it say I'm a little wet
over here girl? We will evaluate that later
because that's. I might need to go to the.
Urgent care. There could be an ER visit in
your future if that is making you horny.
Or that I'm wet, period. But OK.
Yep. Amen.
Well, what can? Yep, Yep.
Where are people of a certain age, Sir?
This is a family podcast. This is a podcast you can listen
to with your kids and your grandkids.
So while they're shopping. OK, so I thank you for talking
about why they were shopping because I literally was like why
the fuck are they shopping? But that's right, because Kody
wanted them to have a nice meal and not prepare it and nice as
an air quotes. I mean there are tater tots, so
Amen. The steak looked good.
Though OK, yes, the steak actually did look good.
OK Christine while they're shopping though points out that
a top is unflattering on Robyn and Robyn seems to take it
personal and she talks about her being the the shirt makes her
look flat chested. OK whatever I guess you know
Christine has bigger boobs than Robyn but I was just disturbed
because the top was literally horrendous.
The whole dress was terrible. Christine just wasn't trying to
hurt her feelings. Yes, the entire outfit was
disturbing. It looked like something she
would later put on a doll. It had ruffles and buttons and
it was OK, OK, I OK. Before I used to say little
little house on the merry. Oh, I've upped my game.
Oh my God, it's little blouse on the merry.
Oh, pretty proud of that. I gotta say I'm pretty proud.
So little. Blouse on the merry.
Oh my God. So we had Little blouse on the
merry and now we've got this hideous outfit on Robyn and
Christine is being a good sister wife and saying she's just.
Saying don't buy that fucking dress like coming up with any
reason it looks odd. Yeah, and.
It looked terrible and Robyn seemed to be taking it all.
I'm going to go cry in the corner and it's like, girl, it
just doesn't look good on you. Like hello.
What about the next outfit she tried on though?
Like this? Shirt I've had a trauma
response. I've missed it.
I missed it. It was.
Like just like a long sleeved red T-shirt type of situation
but be dazzled up the side. And I'm going to say like dragon
pattern but probably not dragon pattern.
But I couldn't look close enough to see the pattern because it
was so disturbing. So that thing landed on with the
correct purchase for her because she looked great in it also
looked like a teenager. Also her boobs did look OK.
It was very form fitting. So it did show that she still
had boobs, but it was like a shirt that the teenage daughters
would buy. Yeah, it was a interesting thing
for Puddle Monkey Productions to keep in with Christine giving
that advice to her, because as a viewer, it certainly didn't seem
like an attack on Robyn's physique or her body.
It was like, listen girlfriend, this doesn't look good on you
and like. Also, it's not going to look
good on anyone. It's a terrible dress.
Oh my God, it would look. It's a terrible dress.
It should be burned. It should be burned.
It was not cute. Yeah, maybe a goth chick could
do that dress, right, like somebody with the right attitude
up, like, you know, head attitude.
Yeah, the right boots, like some attitude could do that dress.
But simple SOB and Robyn cannot. Some early 2000s Orange County,
like those girls that are all like, oh, look, I'm, I think I'm
Gwen Stefani. Maybe some chain jewelry, like
not necessarily chain, but like long drapey and some bracelets.
Yes. There there's a place in time
for that dress. It was not on Robyn's body
today. Yeah.
And the time and place might require you to squint and blur
your vision, but it could be there.
It was awful and horrendous. And Robyn feigning that it was
offensive is so stupid. Fuck Robyn.
She's so dumb.
She can't even take good advice from a friend.
Like, if a friend was literally like, that shirt looks bad,
she'd be like, Oh my God, I'm going to take it personal.
You're an idiot. OK, Chris, don't worry.
Robyn's not here in the room with me.
Show me on this doll where Robyn hurt you.
Thank. God, knock knock knock on the
back door. Fuck.
Oh my God, Robyn's here. OK, Robyn, Good.
Now I'm going to start myself on fire, OK?
And then cut to Kody talking about I still have as much love
for Meri, Janelle and Christine as I ever had.
And I'm like, OK, what prompted that?
Like, once again, I have to question, I wonder, did
producers prompt this with some sort of question?
Because it's like, where is this coming from?
He's probably being questioned about it.
To me, it felt just like just like a bullshit Kody line.
Did it move you in any way? Well, no, I thought it was dumb
because again, we're saying the right words, but our actions are
not matching our words. And so you can say that you have
just as much love for them. You know, right now he might in
theory have just as much love for them as he did before.
But we can see that it's changing.
We know that it's changing and we know that it's because of
Robyn. I do think there is a level of
her that is saying, remember to say that.
Remember to say that you love Christine, Janelle and Meri just
as much as you love me because everybody has to know that you
love them just as much as you love me.
And she, I think, is probably sensing the way this is all
going to come across eventually. And you know, it's funny, even
back then, it didn't come across that way.
It just came across as they're adjusting dynamics.
They're they're riding this wave, they're trying to figure
out how their family is going to work it.
I don't think however many years, 15 years ago ish when we
watched this, I don't think I thought, Oh my God, they're
never going to get through this. No, I just thought Kody was a
sleazeball. I thought he was skeezy.
You know, he's got that like douchey undertone, overtone,
undertone midtone. He's got the douchey thing 100%.
So of course from the beginning I was like, this guy is
ridiculous. And I did judge the wives
because I'm a judgmental person, but I was not expecting like
this family is going to fall apart in every way possible.
I think we still gave their family some credit.
I think that even though we judged a lot of things as as we
fucking should have, by the way, none of the the current day
situations would be what I would have predicted.
Like, I just wouldn't have seen that happening.
I would have seen some drama coming for sure.
But like, I think I would have thought they would have worked
it out after as many years as they had been together as a
family, Yeah. So yeah, I definitely didn't
predict that things that we know happen in the future would have
happened. So moving into the wrap up of
the episode, we have all of the family together eating this
meal. The steak potato tots.
No, what I love is I love a cheap potato with a piece of
meat. So why am I judging?
I just can't help myself. But they're all eating this meal
together. It seems wholesome.
It seems lovey dovey like, oh, they're all eating together.
One big, happy family. It was it was super cute and I
liked, listen, I actually do like every time that I see Kody
being an actual father to all of his children, like him is a
father in Group environments with all of his children and
even with all of the wives together.
I think I always kind of like that vibe.
Like I there are moments of this that is always good.
I think it was genuine. And I, again, I think these kids
have real relationships and I think the wives have real
relationships. And I think that there was this
picture for not necessarily a fairy tale.
I don't think any of them thought it was going to be a
fairy tale, but something that would end very differently than
what it turns out to. Yeah, Meri, I think kind of
closed us out. Meri, Meri.
Truly. Oh, truly.
Hello. Yeah.
Inspirational. I have such a soft spot for Meri
sometimes and I got to get over that because I'm not supposed to
like Meri. I don't think we can't have a
soft spot for Meri. Yeah, I know there's.
I think we're going to have moments upcoming that we have
less of them. Yeah, there's something about
Meri. Isn't that a movie?
Something about Meri? Yeah.
Stiller, but Ben Stiller with the common the with the bodily
excretion body body. Men with the semen in the hair.
Semen in the hair. OK, so there's something about
Meri. Little blouse on the Meri.
I just feel like you. Will do like little blouse on
the Meri. I'm impressed.
I do too. I know I was like this is.
Good, yes. Like I feel like maybe I should
change something online to like little blouse on the Meri, but
I'm going to have to ask you to hold my feet to the fire when it
comes to Meri because I go oh, Meri and then like 5 minutes
later I'm like, Meri, you're a fucking mess.
So. But I also do love Meri.
I don't know. I don't know, Meri.
If you're listening, do. You think you're really going to
give Meri more credit than she deserves?
Because that hasn't happened yet.
And I don't think it's going to happen, no.
You put it that way. No, I'm definitely not going to
give Meri more credit than she deserves.
I think we're going to be OK. Yeah, OK, I know.
I don't know why I'm asking for forgiveness in advance, yeah,
but. You're also asking me to do a
task, and that's to hold your feet to the fire.
And I'm just making it clear that a, I'm not going to do that
task. I mean, maybe if I remember, I
will. Yeah.
But like, you'll do that to yourself.
So I think I don't have to jump in on this.
One I will, and I do suspect there will be a moment in the
future where you'll be like Chris.
OK. Stop.
I promise you that if I acknowledge that moment, I will
tell you. What's an if I had a dollar for
every time someone called me a packing Nazi, a tooth puller and
a photography goddess? Nope, Photography Nazi cross out
goddess. Red light, yes, thank you.
Thank you for the correction. I would not have any money.
So and then yes, we do move into this, you know, sound bite from
Meri talking about how polygamy is like a woman becoming a
mother because there is pain, there's discomfort, and then
there's a blessing. So the parallel that she's
trying to draw between that and polygamy or being a polygamist
wife, but probably polygamy in general.
I think it's an interesting thing because it does make
sense. I'm also like, I don't know,
like you're choosing to do this thing.
So I don't know. I'm going to say that it makes
sense. I, I think that maybe part of
what Meri forgot was to leave out some of the descriptors,
right? Because what she means is that,
you know, if you become pregnant and are going to be a mother,
there's a lot that catches you off guard that you're unaware
of. And so there are times of
extreme pain and discomfort. And that could be in burying the
child, that could be in raising a child, that could be in
anything. But, but you don't necessarily
know fully what you're getting into in that moment that you get
into it. You know, you made a choice and
in some fashion that this is happening, right?
But you don't have all of the foreshadowing.
You don't know exactly how that's going to work out.
So you're going through this, this thing in your life that is
meant to be the most important and the most exciting and the
most wonderful. And interestingly enough, it's
not, it's painful and it's uncomfortable and it's not
exactly what you thought it was going to be.
But hopefully if you work all of work through all of those hard
things, then yes, you get to that blessing.
Is that something special? And that's where you end up?
I think that's what she means. And I think that it was just an
abridged version of how of the how all of those thoughts,
feelings and opinions come out in really any circumstance in
life. It's not just that as an
example, but I think a pretty relatable 1.
And yeah, I mean. Yeah, I, I feel like when she
starts talking about that, she references it as if it's
something said in the culture, right?
Like, as if it's a thing that particularly women can identify
with and then can say, oh, this journey is going to be like this
journey, yada, yada, yada, connect the dots.
So it was an interesting way to kind of wrap up the episode.
They have a scene, they have footage of them blowing up the
candles on the cake and then the episodes done and that's the end
of the season. So what was this cake for?
Was it just that they're all together?
I think it was the family officially joining together.
Yes, OK, yeah, the dessert of this important family meal, Yes.
Where the wives got sent off to buy some ugly fucking clothing.
Oh my God, You know, I was doing a mental note in my brain when
the wives all walked into the house after the shopping trip
because I knew Robyn was going to have a shopping bag, but I
wasn't sure. Or if any of the other wives
have bought anything, right. Like I was, I was just like, you
know, if that bitch Robyn, she got something and did the rest
of them, I think they all did. I think they all have.
OK, because I didn't notice I wasn't paying attention for.
That I think they did. I don't know that they all
clothing. They might have gotten other
things, but there were other shopping bags with wives, yeah.
So I was happy about. That it wasn't just Robyn with
all these bags and the wives trailing behind like staff or
something. Exactly.
Classic. And now we come to Ali's
favorite part of every episode, Mustard Seed and Shit Stain.
And we're always prepared with what we think.
So, Ali, why don't you take us away with your mustard seed of
the episode? My mustard seed of this episode.
I think my mustard seed is Christine.
Oh, OK. Oh, out of left field I like.
OK. All right.
I think the reason that Christine is my mustard seed.
I think, I'm not sure, but we're going to go with this part.
I, I really, really liked her encouragement of Janelle and not
thinking that she was illogical like I, I really liked that.
I thought that was a really good sister wife actual move.
It really was a great signifier of their actual like she was
think totally like there for each other, Yeah.
And that's why they're still friends today, you know, like,
you just could see that. And I, I liked her validating
someone else's feelings. I and I think Christine's
feelings maybe sometimes don't get validated enough.
And that's why she struggles a little bit with some of stuff.
Right. So I thought that was great.
I'm going to give it to Christine.
Yeah. Yeah.
I support this choice. I think it's a good choice
because I agree with you. I'm not necessarily I was
singing Christine's praises, but that was a really great sister
wives moment. Like if I had a sister wife, I
would hope they would be like, no, no, no, no, no.
Like you are allowed to have your feelings.
So that's great. I think my mustard seed, I'm
going to give it to a non adult. I'm going to give it to Logan.
Oh. I love that.
I know, right? I'm going to give it to Logan
because stepping in as that parent parentified role, blah,
blah, blah. Being the oldest, I identify
with that as as you do as well. And I think he does it like I
talked about earlier, he doesn't seem tied to it.
He doesn't seem obligated to it. It seems to be natural and he
just has this thing about him. He just seems like a good guy.
He seems like a really nice person.
He seems like he's well-intentioned.
He wants the best for people. He also uses humor at times
where it's appropriate. Like he's like cracking jokes
and kind of has an emotional intelligence about him that
speaks loudly as someone who's not even an adult.
He seems well put together and looking forward to seeing his
journey. And I think Logan's great, so I
got to give him my mustard seed. I love that.
That's really good. I like it.
Yeah, so for shit stains, right? Do you want to go first for shit
stain? Sure, I pick Robyn.
Oh, Robyn. Weird.
OK, isn't that weird? Why?
Would you pick Robyn as a shit? Stain.
I pick Robyn as a shit stain because she says the right words
but she does not have the actions to follow behind it.
And I think this was one of I probably said this 10 times this
season and we're only 10 episodes in.
But like, not even hoops. She says all of these things and
I'm like, listen, you don't do that.
You don't follow through on that.
You don't actually execute things in the way that that's
how you want these other relationships to go.
You are only looking out for yourself.
It is clear that that is the case and you need to stop.
So it's Robyn. Yeah, Amen.
That is so true her she does use some language but the actions
have not aligned thus far. And will they ever?
I guess only the future will tell us.
Oh, I have a question. Yeah.
If we didn't know the future. Yeah, like the first time we
watch this, right? Yeah.
OK. What do you think we thought of
her then? I didn't really think much of
her. I don't know, I just.
Dumb. I just think I thought she was
dumb as a box of rocks and just was there and I'm like.
She's so milk toast. I just felt like she was just
around. I certainly never thought
anything nefarious. I didn't think anything I didn't
read into it much at all to. Be honest I I feel the same.
Yeah, so my shit stain for this episode, which is funny that
it's a 2 parter so it's pretty meaty.
We've got a lot to cover. And my shit stain is going to be
Meri. Oh my God, already.
My shit stain is Meri because she was giving a child a plastic
bag full of knives and being like be careful.
OK, now you're reaching that it is a read, I mean.
I'm not going to say Kody because it's Kody.
Oh my God, he's always a shit stain and.
OK, this is maybe Kody's second pass.
I'm handing the second pass off to you because you're giving him
a pass when he should have a shit stain this week.
Oh, I don't. I don't think I should accept
such a big thing. If we're going to use trivial
reasons like handing a kid bag and knives, OK, maybe that's not
trivial, but I think kind of it is.
I love that. I'm like, absolutely not.
That cannot be your shit stain. And I'm going like, I don't
know, I kind of think it's Meri. I, I, I could say Kody because
he's like flexing and gross and a bad husband.
But at the end of the day, I, why is it so?
This is so dumb. Mustard seed and shit stain
should not be this hard. It should not be this hard.
But you know what? I'm going to stick with my
intuition and I'm going to give it to Meri because you don't
hand kids knives and plastic bags.
That's just dumb. And realistically, there's going
to be plenty of opportunities to give shit stains to other
people. And I don't know, I've got to
keep my my mind sharp when it comes to the shit stains.
With Meri, I got to make sure I'm on top of it.
I support you I guess. You can say that you don't
support me. I'm just a little confused, but
it's not that it's up to me so it's all good.
Or keep sweet moment on this episode as it's a 2 parter.
We didn't do it on the first part and that's totally fine.
You know we're two deadbeat losers making this up as we go.
Oh. My gosh, thank God we've made it
this far. Yes, well, yes, thank God you've
made it this far. Our Keeps me moment this week is
going to come from another TikTok comment because, you
know, sometimes we get some fun ones on TikTok and we put up a
video about Robyn messing up the wedding invites.
And it was basically Ally talking about that.
It's like, you know, Oh my gosh, Robyn.
Robyn totally fucked up the invites.
And we know this is true because God told us.
And Crash Davis left a comment on our last TikTok video that
says I think Robyn staged this as she knew no friends were
going to show up and she didn't. And she needed to explain why no
one showed up for her but her family.
Hot take. And I'm like, oh, I love this
because yes, like, oh, oh, yeah, no one was going to show up.
And I made a mistake. It's like, girl, you knew no one
was going to show up. God, I love that because she had
said that they didn't think that a lot of people would.
Oh, I like this conspiracy theory.
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We don't know everything we don't we don't like obviously.
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