1 00:00:10,160 --> 00:00:13,800 What does the nanny do? OK, so we're done. 2 00:00:13,800 --> 00:00:16,880 Goodbye. You shut it off. 3 00:00:17,680 --> 00:00:19,480 Do not twist my words. Do not. 4 00:00:19,600 --> 00:00:22,640 Make me a victim, sweetie. Just look at the mountain. 5 00:00:22,720 --> 00:00:26,360 That's what you saw. That day, just the knife in the 6 00:00:26,400 --> 00:00:32,000 kidneys over all these years and the sacrifices that I made to 7 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:51,000 love you. Season 5 episode 4 Polygamist 8 00:00:51,040 --> 00:00:54,320 cults. I have to admit something. 9 00:00:56,200 --> 00:00:58,920 I thought this was an episode that happens later in the show 10 00:00:58,920 --> 00:01:03,440 where there's a debate with people about polygamy, and I was 11 00:01:03,440 --> 00:01:06,200 wrong for the first time in my life and it was quite 12 00:01:06,200 --> 00:01:09,200 devastating. It's not that episode, but we do 13 00:01:09,200 --> 00:01:12,800 get Kolleen. For anyone who knows Kolleen, 14 00:01:13,520 --> 00:01:16,080 we're finally being introduced to Kolleen and we'll get to 15 00:01:16,080 --> 00:01:19,880 that. Our last episode, did it go off 16 00:01:19,880 --> 00:01:21,960 the rails? I don't know if it went off the 17 00:01:21,960 --> 00:01:24,040 rails. I feel like it did and didn't. 18 00:01:24,600 --> 00:01:25,800 It didn't. It didn't. 19 00:01:25,840 --> 00:01:31,720 We found out some things live about the Darger family. 20 00:01:32,280 --> 00:01:37,120 However, I would like to say after doing more research that 21 00:01:37,120 --> 00:01:41,080 it was more hearsay than anything. 22 00:01:41,080 --> 00:01:47,900 There are no proven claims about the Dargers other than the 23 00:01:47,900 --> 00:01:53,286 fact that it is true that he married 2 cousins on the same 24 00:01:53,286 --> 00:01:57,417 day and then the twin sister of one of the cousins 10 years 25 00:01:57,417 --> 00:02:03,010 later. So that is true and that's about 26 00:02:03,010 --> 00:02:05,232 it. Everything else is speculation 27 00:02:05,240 --> 00:02:09,482 from people drawing their own conclusions as far as what I 28 00:02:09,490 --> 00:02:12,800 could tell, you know, So we're going to, we're going to leave 29 00:02:12,808 --> 00:02:15,890 it at that. Are they a weird family? 30 00:02:15,898 --> 00:02:19,352 Is it incestuous? Well, you know. 31 00:02:19,360 --> 00:02:23,430 You determine. But that's about the extent of 32 00:02:23,438 --> 00:02:26,988 that, so. Well, this is in case you didn't 33 00:02:26,988 --> 00:02:29,820 catch our last episode. You should go back and listen to 34 00:02:29,820 --> 00:02:32,900 it. We were getting to the end and 35 00:02:32,908 --> 00:02:35,712 literally pulled up on our phones like the Dargers. 36 00:02:35,720 --> 00:02:38,838 And then the Google search results and some of the things 37 00:02:38,846 --> 00:02:41,837 that were being shown to us were quite, oh, not prepared. 38 00:02:41,845 --> 00:02:44,934 Oh my God, didn't know this from the episode. 39 00:02:44,942 --> 00:02:48,410 And then we were like, do we need to do some sort of further 40 00:02:48,410 --> 00:02:50,464 investigation? And then realized Nah, 41 00:02:50,472 --> 00:02:54,856 realistically, if all of it is just rumors and people on Reddit 42 00:02:54,856 --> 00:02:58,526 sharing things, that's not exactly something that we can 43 00:02:58,534 --> 00:03:01,622 stand behind. You know, we just stand behind 44 00:03:01,630 --> 00:03:03,660 our own opinions of people, not other people. 45 00:03:03,668 --> 00:03:05,835 Beat them. Right or wrong, we have our own 46 00:03:05,835 --> 00:03:10,064 opinions. In this episode, we open at 47 00:03:10,072 --> 00:03:13,560 Janelle's house and they're discussing A nonprofit helping 48 00:03:13,568 --> 00:03:16,600 people escaping polygamy and abusive situations. 49 00:03:16,608 --> 00:03:20,445 Darling, what is this cult not what is this called? 50 00:03:20,453 --> 00:03:24,640 What is this nonprofit called? It is called Holding out help. 51 00:03:24,648 --> 00:03:28,140 And we both caught that the first time when we were 52 00:03:28,148 --> 00:03:28,800 watching. Totally. 53 00:03:28,808 --> 00:03:33,456 With their lovely accents, it was like help, help. 54 00:03:33,464 --> 00:03:35,712 Help. I swear to God, I thought it was 55 00:03:35,712 --> 00:03:37,583 holding out hope and then it was not. 56 00:03:37,591 --> 00:03:43,700 So good times holding out help. We find out that Logan, Aspen 57 00:03:43,708 --> 00:03:47,360 and Maddie are going to visit members of this nonprofit who 58 00:03:47,368 --> 00:03:53,440 are helping people escape the clenches, the claws of polygamy, 59 00:03:53,440 --> 00:03:57,120 and the abuse found in polygamous cults. 60 00:03:57,128 --> 00:04:01,350 We find out that Tanya is the founder of the organization and 61 00:04:01,350 --> 00:04:04,965 there might be some reasons to be fearful of Tanya if you're in 62 00:04:04,965 --> 00:04:07,624 polygamy because you know she's here to rescue people in 63 00:04:07,624 --> 00:04:10,948 your cult. And it's not our lovely Tanya 64 00:04:10,956 --> 00:04:12,709 the realtor Tanya. That. 65 00:04:12,717 --> 00:04:16,440 We've come to love and know. The fashion icon. 66 00:04:16,449 --> 00:04:21,209 Tanya There is a new Tanya coming on our screens tonight. 67 00:04:21,218 --> 00:04:24,435 There's a new Tanya in town. This one won't club you in the 68 00:04:24,443 --> 00:04:26,116 knee. This is a different don't want 69 00:04:26,124 --> 00:04:28,174 to get any of our Tanya is confused. 70 00:04:28,182 --> 00:04:32,420 Yeah, they say that the organization is to help people 71 00:04:32,428 --> 00:04:37,452 fleeing bad family situations, and they help her prepare houses 72 00:04:37,452 --> 00:04:43,263 for them to go and live in. So the three kids are going to 73 00:04:43,271 --> 00:04:47,800 go and help get a house ready for a family that will be moving 74 00:04:47,800 --> 00:04:50,207 in that is fleeing a bad situation. 75 00:04:50,215 --> 00:04:54,264 Kody, Christine and Janelle are speaking to Aspen and I'm 76 00:04:54,272 --> 00:04:55,940 assuming the morning that they're leaving. 77 00:04:55,948 --> 00:04:58,792 I don't know if I quite remember, but they're asking her 78 00:04:58,792 --> 00:05:02,452 questions about this upcoming trip, and Aspen says that she's 79 00:05:02,452 --> 00:05:06,414 worried about going because she thinks that she'll hear some bad 80 00:05:06,414 --> 00:05:09,880 things about polygamy. And, you know, that's 81 00:05:09,888 --> 00:05:11,246 understandable. Yeah. 82 00:05:11,254 --> 00:05:13,900 I wouldn't want to go hear people talking about how bad 83 00:05:13,908 --> 00:05:16,510 homosexuals are in case I ever come out of the closet. 84 00:05:16,518 --> 00:05:17,966 Now that would be terrible to hear. 85 00:05:17,974 --> 00:05:21,840 The parents are speaking to the kids about standing up for 86 00:05:21,848 --> 00:05:25,320 plural marriage and if they'll feel comfortable standing up for 87 00:05:25,320 --> 00:05:30,880 what they believe in and their family in the plural marriage. 88 00:05:30,888 --> 00:05:37,964 Do I think that it's necessary to make your kids stand up for 89 00:05:37,972 --> 00:05:42,245 what you believe in? Yeah and no. 90 00:05:42,253 --> 00:05:45,460 I was going to say, I don't know that. 91 00:05:45,468 --> 00:05:48,725 If they don't believe in it, why do they have to stand up for it 92 00:05:48,725 --> 00:05:50,490 just because their parents are in one? 93 00:05:50,498 --> 00:05:52,205 I mean, well, let's think about this. 94 00:05:52,213 --> 00:05:56,162 If it's being set up for by production or if it's being set 95 00:05:56,162 --> 00:05:59,702 up as a storyline thing, then, you know, I don't know that 96 00:05:59,710 --> 00:06:02,255 without the show, this would be, I don't think without the show 97 00:06:02,263 --> 00:06:05,784 this would be happening, no. So they kind of have to give us 98 00:06:05,784 --> 00:06:08,505 something and I think they're giving us something as well. 99 00:06:08,513 --> 00:06:10,930 We hope the kids stand up for our lifestyle. 100 00:06:10,938 --> 00:06:15,232 Kody wants them to see what's really going on so they can 101 00:06:15,240 --> 00:06:19,512 stand up against evil. So he wants them to go and get a 102 00:06:19,512 --> 00:06:23,715 taste of what some of these other polygamist sects are like 103 00:06:23,715 --> 00:06:28,951 in the Mormon church and so that they can recognize evil. 104 00:06:28,959 --> 00:06:33,340 And I don't know, but it's like, OK, dude. 105 00:06:33,348 --> 00:06:37,400 He phrases it something like why I'm allowing them to go and I'm 106 00:06:37,400 --> 00:06:39,910 like, oh, you're allowing them to go. 107 00:06:39,918 --> 00:06:43,152 I love Kody's patriarch, blah blah blah. 108 00:06:43,160 --> 00:06:45,167 So nice of him to allow his teenagers. 109 00:06:45,175 --> 00:06:48,342 Logan, who has graduated from high school and is probably an 110 00:06:48,350 --> 00:06:50,965 adult, I hope he's an adult because I saw a little bit of 111 00:06:50,973 --> 00:06:53,102 glow up in this episode. The interviews must have been a 112 00:06:53,102 --> 00:06:55,858 little later, and I was like, oh, Logan is becoming a young 113 00:06:55,866 --> 00:06:58,260 man. I haven't really talked about 114 00:06:58,268 --> 00:07:01,535 how I view Logan because up until now he might have been a 115 00:07:01,543 --> 00:07:04,560 minor and I'm not a freak. And now I'm like, oh, he's an 116 00:07:04,568 --> 00:07:07,290 adult. I am guessing that he's 18 at 117 00:07:07,298 --> 00:07:10,160 this point. This has to be probably in the 118 00:07:10,168 --> 00:07:12,280 summertime, after school and after the graduation. 119 00:07:12,288 --> 00:07:16,129 And that's why they're able to go and do this trip for a little 120 00:07:16,129 --> 00:07:19,055 bit. And they also just had another 121 00:07:19,063 --> 00:07:22,960 trip with the Dargers, so they've been taking some time 122 00:07:22,968 --> 00:07:26,022 off, so it's probably summer. I was a little surprised that 123 00:07:26,030 --> 00:07:31,384 Leon wasn't going on this trip. I'm curious if Leon was busy or 124 00:07:31,384 --> 00:07:34,979 if potentially because Leon's perspective right now is that 125 00:07:34,987 --> 00:07:40,355 they do want to be in polygamy, that maybe they were like Nah or 126 00:07:40,355 --> 00:07:45,341 something. I think that Leon is kind of the 127 00:07:45,341 --> 00:07:50,520 type of person that talks a big game but doesn't necessarily 128 00:07:50,520 --> 00:07:54,245 have a big game, and I think that Leon probably would be 129 00:07:54,253 --> 00:07:58,103 scared to be in a situation like this and probably just be a 130 00:07:58,111 --> 00:07:59,795 crybaby. Yeah, I can see that. 131 00:07:59,803 --> 00:08:03,560 Yeah, it wouldn't end well for Leon, I don't think, to have met 132 00:08:03,560 --> 00:08:06,880 who one of the people in particular that we're about to 133 00:08:06,888 --> 00:08:09,746 meet. While they're outside the house 134 00:08:09,746 --> 00:08:13,220 and the kids are getting ready to leave on this little road 135 00:08:13,228 --> 00:08:16,760 trip up to Utah, Janelle and Kody are, you know, having a 136 00:08:16,768 --> 00:08:18,190 spotlight moment talking to the camera. 137 00:08:18,198 --> 00:08:20,856 And one of the things that they mentioned is that they're 138 00:08:20,864 --> 00:08:24,765 curious if these people will be like, across the board against 139 00:08:24,773 --> 00:08:29,240 polygamy or will they be a part of the people who only know 140 00:08:29,248 --> 00:08:30,817 about the stereotypes of polygamy? 141 00:08:30,825 --> 00:08:34,493 It's like, well, they all came from polygamy. 142 00:08:34,501 --> 00:08:37,164 I mean, I don't think that I shouldn't say they all, but 143 00:08:37,173 --> 00:08:40,381 Tanya's the only one we know of. Now we do get introduced to 144 00:08:40,390 --> 00:08:43,856 Carrie, who is her, you know, business partner her. 145 00:08:43,864 --> 00:08:47,464 Yeah, they're. Adult in charge. 146 00:08:47,472 --> 00:08:52,476 And I don't know why they would have stereotypes of polygamy if 147 00:08:52,476 --> 00:08:55,902 they're from polygamist groups. So I don't know, it seems like 148 00:08:55,910 --> 00:08:57,567 just a bit, maybe it's just talking. 149 00:08:57,575 --> 00:09:01,175 They just got to talk. Kody says that some people say 150 00:09:01,183 --> 00:09:05,487 polygamy is abuse, that all polygamy is abuse in general. 151 00:09:05,495 --> 00:09:11,428 Yeah. And do we think he's wrong that? 152 00:09:11,428 --> 00:09:13,480 I guess not. 153 00:09:13,560 --> 00:09:15,840 I also just don't know that it's a 100%. 154 00:09:15,840 --> 00:09:17,560 Like I wouldn't call them the same thing. 155 00:09:17,880 --> 00:09:20,560 Just because you have multiple spouses doesn't mean it's 156 00:09:20,560 --> 00:09:24,080 inherently abusive. I don't think it's necessarily 157 00:09:24,080 --> 00:09:28,360 abusive to the women that chose the lifestyle. 158 00:09:28,360 --> 00:09:32,640 I do think it's kind of abusive and neglectful to the children, 159 00:09:32,640 --> 00:09:36,760 which I have mentioned before. I think that anytime you have 160 00:09:36,760 --> 00:09:41,720 over, and I'm not going to say a number because I don't want to 161 00:09:41,720 --> 00:09:44,320 go there, but I think that after you have a certain amount of 162 00:09:44,320 --> 00:09:47,320 children, it becomes neglectful because they're just not going 163 00:09:47,320 --> 00:09:48,842 to get enough of their parents. 164 00:09:48,850 --> 00:09:50,572 They're not going to get enough support. 165 00:09:50,580 --> 00:09:54,090 They're not going to get the attention that children need to 166 00:09:54,090 --> 00:09:59,680 grow and thrive. And I think a lot of kids from 167 00:09:59,688 --> 00:10:03,032 very large families would probably agree with that. 168 00:10:03,040 --> 00:10:09,794 And there's a lot of siblings that are put in control or power 169 00:10:09,794 --> 00:10:14,219 positions and parentification of the older ones that happens. 170 00:10:14,219 --> 00:10:16,480 And I think you could argue that 171 00:10:16,480 --> 00:10:21,600 that is abuse in some cases. Yeah, well, I mean, I've always 172 00:10:21,600 --> 00:10:24,240 thought I should have been an only child because I needed all 173 00:10:24,240 --> 00:10:27,040 of the attention and all of the love, and my brothers have 174 00:10:27,040 --> 00:10:29,360 already heard me say that I wish they had never been born. 175 00:10:29,360 --> 00:10:32,040 But now I'm glad they're here. You're a needy little orchid 176 00:10:32,040 --> 00:10:34,840 child, and your brothers were dandelions so. 177 00:10:35,520 --> 00:10:37,320 An orchid. Orchid. 178 00:10:37,360 --> 00:10:39,800 Oh, an orchid? Yes, yes, definitely. 179 00:10:40,120 --> 00:10:43,120 An orchid child versus the dandelion child. 180 00:10:43,120 --> 00:10:44,800 Yep. There's some weeds and I'm 181 00:10:44,800 --> 00:10:47,720 beautiful. There's this is a concept, a new 182 00:10:47,720 --> 00:10:50,160 concept to me. There's, you know, the child 183 00:10:50,160 --> 00:10:54,080 that's going to need more to grow and more help and a little 184 00:10:54,080 --> 00:10:56,960 more nurturing. And then there's the child that 185 00:10:57,000 --> 00:11:00,920 is just like weed that's going to make it totally. 186 00:11:01,800 --> 00:11:05,000 Yes, this is where Maddie and Logan tell us they'll be helping 187 00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:09,400 to set up a safe house for the escapees in Utah and give us 188 00:11:09,400 --> 00:11:12,920 some details about painting and moving in some furniture, blah, 189 00:11:12,920 --> 00:11:16,040 blah, blah. When they arrive, Carrie is 190 00:11:16,040 --> 00:11:19,240 there to welcome the kids to this new home that they're going 191 00:11:19,240 --> 00:11:21,320 to be painting and helping move things into. 192 00:11:21,680 --> 00:11:24,680 We were not told about Carrie before we get there. 193 00:11:24,680 --> 00:11:26,960 So it was a little like, OK, like all of a sudden here's 194 00:11:26,960 --> 00:11:29,960 Carrie and sounds good to meet you, Carrie. 195 00:11:31,720 --> 00:11:35,080 But now we get introduced to the children. 196 00:11:35,120 --> 00:11:40,640 Well, the young adults, the youth that are being served up 197 00:11:40,640 --> 00:11:44,600 to us as the former polygamist who have been helped by holding 198 00:11:44,600 --> 00:11:47,760 out help. Yeah, yeah, They've been helped, 199 00:11:47,760 --> 00:11:50,440 all right. And they have very strong 200 00:11:50,440 --> 00:11:54,320 opinions. Not well, not all of them. 201 00:11:54,320 --> 00:11:57,800 Yeah, Kolleen has very strong opinions. 202 00:11:57,800 --> 00:12:00,680 Polygamy. We get introduced to her. 203 00:12:01,160 --> 00:12:03,840 Yes, Kolleen with AK, in case you're wondering. 204 00:12:03,840 --> 00:12:05,280 Yeah. You pointed that out to me. 205 00:12:05,280 --> 00:12:08,200 I did not notice it because I was busy writing and you were 206 00:12:08,200 --> 00:12:09,920 like, look at how she spells her name. 207 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:14,040 I'm like, oh honey. Kolleen with AK. 208 00:12:14,040 --> 00:12:16,880 Yep. And as we discussed in our last 209 00:12:16,880 --> 00:12:19,760 episode with a little preview, she's blonde. 210 00:12:20,320 --> 00:12:22,960 She is blonde, blonde, blonde. She's white, blonde. 211 00:12:23,160 --> 00:12:26,680 With aggressive makeup. Oh, aggressive is a good way to. 212 00:12:26,960 --> 00:12:28,440 Start. Yeah, absolutely. 213 00:12:28,480 --> 00:12:34,480 This is the period in time at the height of YouTube makeup 214 00:12:34,480 --> 00:12:39,499 beauty culture where, you know, every week there was a 215 00:12:39,499 --> 00:12:41,998 different brand coming out with a new palette, and you had to 216 00:12:41,998 --> 00:12:43,704 have all the palettes and all the colors. 217 00:12:43,712 --> 00:12:46,280 And you're watching beauty tutorials and let me tell you, 218 00:12:46,288 --> 00:12:50,840 this girl has gotten her hands on some eyeshadow, some 219 00:12:50,848 --> 00:12:54,040 eyeshadow brushes, and probably been watching a YouTube channel 220 00:12:54,040 --> 00:12:56,812 or two. Because it's not that it looked 221 00:12:56,812 --> 00:13:00,504 bad, it actually was pretty decent makeup for the time 222 00:13:00,512 --> 00:13:05,982 period that this was shot in. But she is definitely trying her 223 00:13:05,982 --> 00:13:13,595 best to do every possible thing to look different than an 224 00:13:13,595 --> 00:13:18,720 ex FLDS or Kingston Sect member. 225 00:13:18,800 --> 00:13:26,400 It reminded me of Myspace. Now this is this is after most 226 00:13:26,400 --> 00:13:29,400 of us were using Myspace. But let's remember these are 227 00:13:29,680 --> 00:13:32,720 polygamous. Former polygamous 2012, 2000 228 00:13:32,760 --> 00:13:36,440 whenever ish. I don't really remember, but she 229 00:13:36,440 --> 00:13:40,160 looked like a lot of young women on Myspace. 230 00:13:40,160 --> 00:13:42,590 Slightly behind the time, yeah. 231 00:13:42,598 --> 00:13:46,660 Yeah, Well. Orange County, You know, emo. 232 00:13:46,668 --> 00:13:50,980 I don't even know what. I'm surprised she didn't have 233 00:13:50,988 --> 00:13:52,658 big black chunks in her hair, frankly. 234 00:13:52,666 --> 00:13:58,688 If I were to show you a picture of me from gosh like 3 years 235 00:13:58,696 --> 00:14:04,280 before this I would look almost exactly like that with the short 236 00:14:04,280 --> 00:14:07,102 blonde hair. Except for I don't know what the 237 00:14:07,102 --> 00:14:10,085 fuck she was doing with the side of her hair where she 238 00:14:10,085 --> 00:14:13,077 literally had it. Like it looked like a wind, Like 239 00:14:13,077 --> 00:14:17,542 a wind gust had come and blown A seagull into her head, and the 240 00:14:17,542 --> 00:14:21,180 seagull had landed in her hair and skid across the side of her 241 00:14:21,180 --> 00:14:24,746 head. And then the seawater dried her 242 00:14:24,746 --> 00:14:28,920 hair in this upward weird position and it was not moving. 243 00:14:28,920 --> 00:14:30,840 No movement, and in fact, the 244 00:14:30,840 --> 00:14:33,640 seagull also pooped, but you can't see it because her hair's 245 00:14:33,640 --> 00:14:35,680 white. Yeah, it's like the same color 246 00:14:35,680 --> 00:14:37,520 as the seagulls. Mirrored her hair up into the 247 00:14:37,520 --> 00:14:40,560 side. Very something about Meri. 248 00:14:40,720 --> 00:14:42,348 It was on the side of her head. 249 00:14:42,356 --> 00:14:43,744 Something about a different Meri. 250 00:14:43,752 --> 00:14:48,660 Not Meri Brown, definitely. Oh, look, highly stylized in a 251 00:14:48,668 --> 00:14:52,228 way that, well, for anyone who's seen the show, you know what 252 00:14:52,236 --> 00:14:54,182 we're talking about. If you haven't seen the show, 253 00:14:54,190 --> 00:14:57,665 maybe we'll have to find an image of her and share it on the 254 00:14:57,665 --> 00:15:00,490 social medias because she has made her round since being on 255 00:15:00,498 --> 00:15:03,325 the show. By the way, she I think was in 256 00:15:03,333 --> 00:15:06,360 another show about, you know, polygamous escapees, blah, blah, 257 00:15:06,360 --> 00:15:08,840 blah, blah. So she's been on the circuit. 258 00:15:08,848 --> 00:15:11,272 I wonder what she looks like. To do. 259 00:15:11,280 --> 00:15:13,495 Oh my gosh. We'll have to do a side by side 260 00:15:13,495 --> 00:15:14,835 of my photo in her. Yes. 261 00:15:14,843 --> 00:15:17,880 Because I swear to God, I'm like, what? 262 00:15:17,888 --> 00:15:21,460 Kolleen with AK, if you are listening, I'm very interested 263 00:15:21,468 --> 00:15:24,626 in having an interview. You could be our first interview 264 00:15:24,626 --> 00:15:26,928 on my Sister Wives podcast. That would be cool. 265 00:15:26,936 --> 00:15:28,866 Yeah. I'm curious where she's at now. 266 00:15:28,866 --> 00:15:30,760 And I'm sure she looks back at 267 00:15:30,760 --> 00:15:33,320 this time and is like, what was I doing with my hair? 268 00:15:33,320 --> 00:15:36,760 Because I look back at myself from this time period in three 269 00:15:36,760 --> 00:15:39,000 years prior and I'm like, what the hell was I doing with my 270 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:43,840 hair? I have never seen this done 271 00:15:43,840 --> 00:15:46,160 before though. The seagull hair. 272 00:15:46,160 --> 00:15:48,200 Not like this, no. No it. 273 00:15:48,480 --> 00:15:51,840 Really was unique. It was really something else. 274 00:15:51,880 --> 00:15:56,560 It definitely was, yeah, And I applaud her experimental vibes. 275 00:15:56,760 --> 00:15:59,600 Especially for the camera. You know, pull that out for the 276 00:15:59,600 --> 00:16:01,000 camera. Sure, why not? 277 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:03,760 Let's try it. Listen, if I was going on TLC, 278 00:16:03,760 --> 00:16:06,280 my hair would be so boring. So I have to give her kudos, you 279 00:16:06,280 --> 00:16:07,920 know, at least she's doing something. 280 00:16:08,200 --> 00:16:10,120 My hair would be teased to the high heavens. 281 00:16:10,120 --> 00:16:11,880 You. Have like 80s hair. 282 00:16:13,640 --> 00:16:18,640 So in this introduction segment we meet Kolleen with AK who is 283 00:16:18,640 --> 00:16:22,480 from the Kingston sect of polygamy. 284 00:16:22,520 --> 00:16:25,040 Kingston's Kingston? I'm not sure. 285 00:16:25,040 --> 00:16:27,200 If it's Kingston's. Kingston's, Yeah. 286 00:16:27,920 --> 00:16:32,942 And along with Kolleen, with AK, we meet Nicole, who is also 287 00:16:32,942 --> 00:16:37,000 from the Kingston sect. The other two young adults that 288 00:16:37,000 --> 00:16:39,480 we are meeting are from the FLDS. 289 00:16:39,800 --> 00:16:42,680 We are meeting Susan. Suzanne. 290 00:16:42,840 --> 00:16:46,440 Suzanne. Suzanne and Stephen. 291 00:16:46,560 --> 00:16:52,040 Stephen. Stephen and Stephen was kicked 292 00:16:52,040 --> 00:16:57,760 out and FLDS is Warren Jeffs sect by the way. 293 00:16:57,760 --> 00:17:00,400 I'm sure most people listening know that. 294 00:17:00,400 --> 00:17:04,598 But for those of you that don't, that is the sect that Warren 295 00:17:04,598 --> 00:17:07,240 Jeffs was. In charge of and controlling 296 00:17:07,240 --> 00:17:13,000 Warren Jeffs sect, where you know, he was famously imprisoned 297 00:17:13,118 --> 00:17:18,240 for child rape and murder. Child not murder, but child rape 298 00:17:18,240 --> 00:17:23,079 and a lot of bad things. Probably just couldn't catch him 299 00:17:23,079 --> 00:17:27,440 on a couldn't catch him with the big old M charge so they. 300 00:17:27,839 --> 00:17:31,000 The big M and the parents are on the couch after we get these 301 00:17:31,000 --> 00:17:33,480 brief introductions of the youth. 302 00:17:33,560 --> 00:17:37,080 The former polygamist youth, after we get this brief 303 00:17:37,080 --> 00:17:40,560 introduction of these young adults that are former that are 304 00:17:40,560 --> 00:17:45,520 from polygamist cults, the parents are on the couch and 305 00:17:45,520 --> 00:17:50,120 Kody talks about how bad Warren Jeffs is and they're not all 306 00:17:50,120 --> 00:17:54,680 like Warren Jeffs, he's evil, etcetera. 307 00:17:55,600 --> 00:17:57,920 I kind of like didn't really care about the details of what 308 00:17:57,920 --> 00:18:00,240 Kody was talking about, just that Warren Jeffs is evil. 309 00:18:00,240 --> 00:18:03,600 Did you care about any of it? No, I did not have any takeaways 310 00:18:03,600 --> 00:18:09,240 of that, but I do want to point out back when we met Kolleen, 311 00:18:09,640 --> 00:18:12,800 she came out and she said that she was looking for someone to 312 00:18:12,800 --> 00:18:17,480 take her anger out on and like these kids, Aspen, Logan and 313 00:18:17,480 --> 00:18:20,240 Maddie are going to be the perfect ones for her to do that 314 00:18:20,240 --> 00:18:23,360 with. So foreshadowing. 315 00:18:24,320 --> 00:18:26,880 After we get this information about Warren Jeffs from Kody 316 00:18:26,880 --> 00:18:30,480 that literally, I don't remember anything he said, Tanya and 317 00:18:30,480 --> 00:18:33,480 Carrie back up in Utah. Give us an update on the 318 00:18:33,480 --> 00:18:35,840 nonprofit, how they help people escaping. 319 00:18:36,040 --> 00:18:39,080 And sometimes these people have no family or connections in the 320 00:18:39,080 --> 00:18:40,880 outside world. And so obviously, that's why 321 00:18:40,880 --> 00:18:43,160 it's important. I don't know how much we need to 322 00:18:43,160 --> 00:18:45,800 dive into that. It's what it is, right? 323 00:18:45,800 --> 00:18:47,880 Like these people are in cults when they try to escape, they 324 00:18:47,880 --> 00:18:50,560 have no one on the outside. So that's why these nonprofits 325 00:18:50,560 --> 00:18:54,280 exist. So, you know, the kids, Maddie, 326 00:18:54,480 --> 00:18:59,360 Logan and Aspen arrive at this house where they enter in and I, 327 00:18:59,360 --> 00:19:02,400 I feel like we weren't really given much of A this is what's 328 00:19:02,400 --> 00:19:03,800 going to happen. It's like all of a sudden they 329 00:19:03,800 --> 00:19:08,000 were doing it and they're priming walls and taping walls, 330 00:19:08,000 --> 00:19:10,480 getting ready to paint and whatever. 331 00:19:11,400 --> 00:19:15,177 And they kind of just jump right into their conversations in 332 00:19:15,177 --> 00:19:18,840 real time that they're having. And Maddie asks Steven if he has 333 00:19:18,840 --> 00:19:23,880 any hobbies, and he says no. And I was like, oh, my gosh. 334 00:19:23,880 --> 00:19:26,200 And he's like, yeah, I don't really, never really had any 335 00:19:26,200 --> 00:19:29,760 hobbies. And I'm like, oh, God, like just 336 00:19:29,760 --> 00:19:33,360 the first example of someone asking a normal question of one 337 00:19:33,360 --> 00:19:35,160 of these people, what are your hobbies? 338 00:19:35,160 --> 00:19:37,520 And he's like, I don't really have any. 339 00:19:39,360 --> 00:19:41,720 Oh, God. It just makes me feel so bad for 340 00:19:41,720 --> 00:19:44,760 these people that are raised in environments where what is it 341 00:19:44,760 --> 00:19:47,960 all just manual labor and prayer and like, that's it. 342 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:50,680 It's just like, Oh my God, you don't have anything else that 343 00:19:50,680 --> 00:19:54,240 you even are interested in. I don't know, it just made me 344 00:19:54,240 --> 00:19:56,720 feel sad. Maddie is taken aback by it for 345 00:19:56,720 --> 00:19:58,520 sure. She's trying to have a 346 00:19:58,520 --> 00:20:02,600 conversation with him and ask him questions and you can tell 347 00:20:02,600 --> 00:20:05,560 he doesn't really know how to have a normal conversation, 348 00:20:05,560 --> 00:20:10,800 especially probably with a girl and a girl like outside of 349 00:20:11,240 --> 00:20:14,920 someone that he's grown to know and comfortable with. 350 00:20:15,400 --> 00:20:19,960 Even the other girls that are there and part of the group, 351 00:20:19,960 --> 00:20:23,280 he's uncomfortable around because later on when they ask 352 00:20:23,280 --> 00:20:26,200 if he wants to ride in the car with them, he like, chooses not 353 00:20:26,280 --> 00:20:28,480 to. And it's just like he doesn't 354 00:20:28,480 --> 00:20:32,080 have a personality at all. And it's not his fault. 355 00:20:32,120 --> 00:20:35,280 Obviously you're not allowed to have a personality. 356 00:20:35,280 --> 00:20:40,160 You're not allowed to be any different than the horde of 357 00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:42,360 sheep that you're supposed to be going along with. 358 00:20:42,360 --> 00:20:47,640 And this poor guy. Yeah, it just hit me for some 359 00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:50,240 reason. I can't imagine not having 360 00:20:50,280 --> 00:20:56,184 interests or hobbies that don't involve religion or like 361 00:20:56,184 --> 00:20:59,120 obeying my parents. Like I don't even know what that 362 00:20:59,120 --> 00:21:01,520 means. Well, the sad thing is too, that 363 00:21:01,520 --> 00:21:07,640 if from a young age you're basically told that being 364 00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:11,400 different is wrong and you have to color inside the lines and 365 00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:16,840 your brain literally doesn't make those connections as you're 366 00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:21,600 growing as a young child, you use them or lose them. 367 00:21:21,680 --> 00:21:25,760 Like, your brain is growing so many connections, you know, the 368 00:21:25,760 --> 00:21:27,842 first three years of life even. 369 00:21:27,850 --> 00:21:31,744 And if you're not nurtured and you're growing up and in this 370 00:21:31,752 --> 00:21:35,804 environment that they've grown up in, part of me wonders, like, 371 00:21:35,804 --> 00:21:40,175 how much you can really come back from that because it's 372 00:21:40,183 --> 00:21:44,220 literally your brain chemistry growing up as a child that's 373 00:21:44,228 --> 00:21:47,005 been affected. I don't know, Like, it just 374 00:21:47,013 --> 00:21:51,760 makes me feel so bad. Like, yeah, listening to him. 375 00:21:51,768 --> 00:21:56,742 Hopefully his time spent after escaping and up until today has 376 00:21:56,742 --> 00:22:00,740 been spent doing a lot of exploring, like self 377 00:22:00,748 --> 00:22:04,120 exploration. Exploration of the world, I 378 00:22:04,128 --> 00:22:06,980 hope. Maybe some psychedelics open up 379 00:22:06,980 --> 00:22:11,380 that mind again, some mushrooms, I don't know, not 380 00:22:11,380 --> 00:22:14,200 condoning it. I'm condoning it. 381 00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:17,480 I'm all about it. I think that it could be super 382 00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:19,600 helpful in therapy for people like this. 383 00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:23,760 Like I think that this is a like a therapeutic setting for 384 00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:28,680 somebody like him would be the perfect like opportunity. 385 00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:31,320 I don't know. The awarenesses that could come 386 00:22:31,320 --> 00:22:35,280 from LSD or, you know, even ketamine treatments, that is 387 00:22:35,440 --> 00:22:38,680 more common today, yeah. Could be really, really helpful 388 00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:40,480 to reprogramming. Yeah. 389 00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:42,960 Oh. My God, a therapeutic trip under 390 00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:44,880 the right circumstances, right? 391 00:22:44,888 --> 00:22:48,640 Under super. Because I straight up throughout 392 00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:53,384 this entire episode, every scene that he was in, it was 393 00:22:53,384 --> 00:22:57,393 just like dead behind the eyes, kind of like didn't know 394 00:22:57,393 --> 00:23:00,440 what to do with himself, didn't have a personality. 395 00:23:00,448 --> 00:23:05,248 And I really, truly hope that he's in a better place now. 396 00:23:05,256 --> 00:23:11,464 They did not say how long he's been out of at FLDS church. 397 00:23:11,472 --> 00:23:14,858 At this point, no. We didn't really get many 398 00:23:14,866 --> 00:23:16,342 details about. It yeah, so that could have 399 00:23:16,350 --> 00:23:18,562 something to do with it too. Like we don't know how long he's 400 00:23:18,562 --> 00:23:20,954 been out at this point and he could just still be shell 401 00:23:20,962 --> 00:23:24,350 shocked. But I'm guessing that they 402 00:23:24,358 --> 00:23:30,595 picked these four to be like the best feet forward the people 403 00:23:30,603 --> 00:23:36,176 that agreed to be on this show. So I do think it'd be weird for 404 00:23:36,176 --> 00:23:39,332 them to put him in this position after helping him if 405 00:23:39,332 --> 00:23:42,320 they didn't feel he was ready to be in this situation. 406 00:23:42,328 --> 00:23:46,600 So I don't know what that says, but. 407 00:23:46,608 --> 00:23:50,692 Kolleen with AK is going to give us some more of her updates, 408 00:23:50,700 --> 00:23:55,782 some more details about her. She left twice as a teenager. 409 00:23:55,790 --> 00:24:01,400 At 15 years old, she escaped polygamy, but then she was sent 410 00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:03,695 back. I don't think we got any details 411 00:24:03,695 --> 00:24:05,966 about her being sent back. She was sent back, whatever that 412 00:24:05,966 --> 00:24:08,960 means. Yeah, she tried to leave, left 413 00:24:08,968 --> 00:24:14,655 at 15 and then at 17 again, and I'm guessing that they caught 414 00:24:14,663 --> 00:24:18,944 her or that maybe some sort of child welfare was involved. 415 00:24:18,952 --> 00:24:21,698 And yeah, she got sent back. Yeah. 416 00:24:21,706 --> 00:24:25,132 But at 17, she was able to leave for good. 417 00:24:25,140 --> 00:24:30,518 She volunteers that her first memory is of her father, who was 418 00:24:30,518 --> 00:24:33,630 an elder in their cult beating her up. 419 00:24:33,638 --> 00:24:36,980 Don't really know what to say about that. 420 00:24:36,988 --> 00:24:42,917 Like Oh my God, I wonder. OK so and Kolleen in general is 421 00:24:42,917 --> 00:24:46,120 harping on all polygamists. So she is anti polygamy. 422 00:24:46,128 --> 00:24:49,414 Every statement that she makes about polygamy is like a broad 423 00:24:49,422 --> 00:24:51,125 sweep saying everything's terrible and they're all 424 00:24:51,133 --> 00:24:55,626 delusional and all these things. When she says that her first 425 00:24:55,634 --> 00:25:00,894 memories of her father beating her up, I'm going like, do I 426 00:25:00,902 --> 00:25:04,935 believe this? And I think I do. 427 00:25:04,943 --> 00:25:09,955 But her, her appearance and her demeanor seem so kind of like 428 00:25:09,963 --> 00:25:13,628 trying to get something, you know, making an impression, 429 00:25:13,636 --> 00:25:14,967 being dramatic. Aggressive. 430 00:25:14,975 --> 00:25:18,136 Aggressive, as you said, her makeup was she's very 431 00:25:18,144 --> 00:25:18,912 aggressive. She. 432 00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:23,945 Is she's very aggressive. So that for some reason gives me 433 00:25:23,945 --> 00:25:25,361 pause. Am I crazy? 434 00:25:25,369 --> 00:25:28,160 No, you're not. She's got hard edges everywhere. 435 00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:30,080 And when you're looking at 436 00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:32,360 somebody like that with a chip on their shoulder, it makes it 437 00:25:32,360 --> 00:25:36,080 hard to believe what they're saying because there's no give 438 00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:39,040 in the conversation. There's no give and take. 439 00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:44,040 And it makes you wary of like anything they're going to say 440 00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:46,080 because you're like, well, you have an agenda here. 441 00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:49,600 You have an agenda. And it's that everybody's bad. 442 00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:53,800 You're not willing to listen. And it goes like on both sides 443 00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:57,080 of the spectrum, right? Like she has this hard stance 444 00:25:57,360 --> 00:26:02,280 just as a hardcore member in the FLDS church would have a hard 445 00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:05,200 stance. So it's like if you you catch 446 00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:08,240 more bees with honey or flies with honey. 447 00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:12,640 So I don't know, her approach is just kind of all wrong if she 448 00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:15,075 really does want to help people. 449 00:26:15,083 --> 00:26:18,360 Yeah. Oh, she's so angsty with the 450 00:26:18,368 --> 00:26:20,400 aggression. Is this surly angst? 451 00:26:20,408 --> 00:26:24,935 Just kind of like, I'm stuck at 15 and I hate everyone. 452 00:26:24,943 --> 00:26:31,017 Like, OK, but like, Oh my gosh. Really, she is in this era, like 453 00:26:31,017 --> 00:26:35,225 she's stuck in this time period in her life that she 454 00:26:35,225 --> 00:26:39,696 probably can't move past between 15 and 17 when she was 455 00:26:39,696 --> 00:26:45,970 escaping, and she needs therapy to help move on and to 456 00:26:45,970 --> 00:26:50,420 continue growing up or she's going to be probably stuck in 457 00:26:50,420 --> 00:26:54,200 this for a bit. Yeah, she keeps saying that 458 00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:57,360 anyone that would be a part of polygamy is dumb. 459 00:26:57,760 --> 00:27:04,840 It just must be stupid. And you just can't say broad, 460 00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:08,440 sweeping statements like that. And you're not even giving any 461 00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:11,440 intelligent reason as to why you believe that. 462 00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:14,880 You're just saying it and thinking that that's going to 463 00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:17,560 change minds. Like, that's not how it works. 464 00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:22,640 It's like having a Facebook message board argument, like in 465 00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:27,000 the comments section, Like, Oh my God, that's not how you 466 00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:35,160 change minds, you know? But yeah, Steven tells Maddie 467 00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:39,840 that he has three moms, that he had four moms and then one 468 00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:42,122 left. And then he talks about how he 469 00:27:42,130 --> 00:27:47,554 was close with one of his moms, but the moms weren't really 470 00:27:47,562 --> 00:27:50,040 there. I mean, he had one that he felt 471 00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:51,730 close with, but that's kind of it. 472 00:27:51,738 --> 00:27:55,376 And she left. Yeah, it's really sad. 473 00:27:55,384 --> 00:28:01,026 We find out, you know, about a few of their situations and that 474 00:28:01,026 --> 00:28:04,416 the moms were in constant competition for Dad's attention. 475 00:28:04,416 --> 00:28:07,880 And so for them, it was like the 476 00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:12,360 kids went by the wayside. Dad was the king and the leader 477 00:28:12,360 --> 00:28:15,600 of the house. And so, you know, everything was 478 00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:18,040 about getting his attention, not about the kids. 479 00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:22,880 After we have these kind of brief introductions to Kolleen 480 00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:28,480 and Steven, we get a shot of Maddie outside with Logan and 481 00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:30,480 Aspen. And they're clearly taking a 482 00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:34,074 break from their manual labor to have a spotlight moment with 483 00:28:34,074 --> 00:28:37,160 the producers. And Maddie says that she does 484 00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:40,160 not want to live polygamy, but she supports it. 485 00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:42,480 She says that she supports her parents. 486 00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:45,680 They're good people. And as she's starting to talk 487 00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:49,160 about this, the tears are welling up in her eyes. 488 00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:53,440 And I'm like, oh, God, girl. And she says if these kids had 489 00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:57,640 been raised the way they should have been, they would be happy. 490 00:28:57,640 --> 00:28:58,932 And she's getting all emotional. 491 00:28:58,940 --> 00:29:02,088 And I'm like, well, you know, it's actually nice to see Maddie 492 00:29:02,088 --> 00:29:05,008 getting a little emotional. Feeling something didn't really 493 00:29:05,008 --> 00:29:09,000 move me, but I don't know. Yeah, You can tell she's just 494 00:29:09,008 --> 00:29:11,108 overwhelmed. She goes, it's disgusting what 495 00:29:11,116 --> 00:29:13,140 Warren Jess has done. Yeah. 496 00:29:13,148 --> 00:29:17,400 And that she understands why they don't see the good side of 497 00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:20,870 polygamy and they've never had a chance to see the good side. 498 00:29:20,878 --> 00:29:22,770 And that Warren Jess is disgusting. 499 00:29:22,778 --> 00:29:27,236 She says that a few times, which he is disgusting. 500 00:29:27,244 --> 00:29:31,800 And she says that she had more support than a lot of other kids 501 00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:34,328 because of her polygamist family, which is interesting 502 00:29:34,336 --> 00:29:37,255 that, you know, in a monogamist family, she thinks she might 503 00:29:37,263 --> 00:29:40,620 have had less support because of all of the people in her 504 00:29:40,628 --> 00:29:44,580 polygamist family. In between these Maddie sound 505 00:29:44,588 --> 00:29:49,800 bites, Nicole talks about living in her car when she escaped the 506 00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:52,215 polygamous compound or wherever she came from. 507 00:29:52,223 --> 00:29:56,024 Now Nicole is a fellow Kingston's person like Kolleen. 508 00:29:56,024 --> 00:29:59,840 While she was 16 when her dad 509 00:29:59,840 --> 00:30:06,560 tried to marry her off and so she ended up leaving and her dad 510 00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:09,720 would not accept it. And the only way she got her dad 511 00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:13,720 to accept that she left is that she was 22 and she got married 512 00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:18,080 to an outsider of the church and got pregnant and has a kid now 513 00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:20,400 That's right. So the only way that she would 514 00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:26,040 get her dad to leave her alone and basically say like OK, this 515 00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:28,600 is over. Is she married an outsider? 516 00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:32,760 She's currently 22 so I don't know when she got married, she 517 00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:36,000 had to have gotten married very young If her dad was trying to 518 00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:39,960 marry her off at 16. And then now she's 22 and has a 519 00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:41,560 kid. I don't know. 520 00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:45,480 Like it's just really sad. She basically fled a marriage 521 00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:50,520 with probably some creep that was way older than her just to 522 00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:54,600 go off and marry to escape that life anyway. 523 00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:58,320 Obviously it's better she got to marry somebody that hopefully 524 00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:01,208 she wanted to and is happy with. 525 00:31:01,216 --> 00:31:05,669 But still, it's like, what a shitty way to have to like, 526 00:31:05,677 --> 00:31:07,790 flee. It's just sad. 527 00:31:07,798 --> 00:31:10,384 Yeah. And then she talks about how 528 00:31:10,392 --> 00:31:13,855 basically all of her friends were physically, sexually and 529 00:31:13,863 --> 00:31:17,048 emotionally abused like all of her close friends. 530 00:31:17,056 --> 00:31:22,226 And she makes a comment that she thinks there's probably a lot 531 00:31:22,234 --> 00:31:27,232 going on in Aspen, Logan and Maddie's parents marriage that 532 00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:30,865 the kids just don't know about. Right. 533 00:31:30,873 --> 00:31:37,515 And I really thought that was a good observation on her part. 534 00:31:37,523 --> 00:31:42,424 Like these kids seem very naive about polygamy and I'm sure that 535 00:31:42,424 --> 00:31:45,880 they don't really truly know what's going on with their 536 00:31:45,888 --> 00:31:48,260 parents behind closed doors as they shouldn't. 537 00:31:48,268 --> 00:31:53,888 Like I don't think any child should know if their parents are 538 00:31:53,888 --> 00:31:58,536 having problems because your kids should be focused on being 539 00:31:58,536 --> 00:32:01,960 kids, not your problems. Yeah, it was an interesting 540 00:32:01,968 --> 00:32:05,214 bullet point because I think that she's right. 541 00:32:05,222 --> 00:32:10,500 But I agree that it's like, well, what should they be 542 00:32:10,508 --> 00:32:12,446 entrenched in their parents problems? 543 00:32:12,454 --> 00:32:13,969 Like that doesn't make any sense either. 544 00:32:13,977 --> 00:32:16,720 So it was kind of an odd place for me. 545 00:32:16,728 --> 00:32:20,936 Yeah, because these kids are so used to seeing all of the shit 546 00:32:20,944 --> 00:32:24,866 that goes on though. So for them, they're like, well, 547 00:32:24,866 --> 00:32:28,332 there's got to be something like, there's got to be some 548 00:32:28,340 --> 00:32:30,343 smoke. Like there's got to be some sort 549 00:32:30,343 --> 00:32:32,090 of fire. There's got to be fire. 550 00:32:32,098 --> 00:32:35,503 Yes, yeah, yeah. And we do find out that, yeah, 551 00:32:35,511 --> 00:32:39,106 nothing's perfect. But as far as observers of the 552 00:32:39,114 --> 00:32:43,702 show in season early, season 5, we're not really aware of, you 553 00:32:43,710 --> 00:32:46,624 know, are we seeing any smoke? I don't know. 554 00:32:46,632 --> 00:32:48,382 Am I smelling smoke? Maybe I'm just having a stroke, 555 00:32:48,382 --> 00:32:50,410 you know, that kind of thing. Not sure. 556 00:32:50,418 --> 00:32:53,795 To Nicole, the smoke would be the fact that there's polygamy 557 00:32:53,803 --> 00:32:56,148 in general, right? So where's the fire? 558 00:32:56,156 --> 00:32:57,526 There's got to be fire somewhere. 559 00:32:57,534 --> 00:32:59,800 The smoke is already here, and it's polygamy. 560 00:32:59,808 --> 00:33:04,616 Totally that that makes sense. Carrie has a little moment where 561 00:33:04,616 --> 00:33:07,664 she's talking about how traumatized a lot of these 562 00:33:07,672 --> 00:33:12,320 people are that are fleeing the FLDS, and she says that Suzanne 563 00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:17,235 was so scared of anybody when she got out that she had trouble 564 00:33:17,235 --> 00:33:18,858 talking to anyone when they left. 565 00:33:18,866 --> 00:33:21,760 I can see that because they thought they were all evil. 566 00:33:21,768 --> 00:33:27,094 I can see that Suzanne has a, oh, I don't want to say the word 567 00:33:27,094 --> 00:33:29,068 mousy. Very childlike demeanor. 568 00:33:29,076 --> 00:33:33,800 Totally soft spoken and kind of that shoulders pulled in and 569 00:33:33,808 --> 00:33:37,266 timid, timid, yeah, like not looking anyone in the eye, kind 570 00:33:37,266 --> 00:33:38,932 of never looking anywhere kind of thing. 571 00:33:38,940 --> 00:33:42,094 And it's like, OK, girl. Like yeah, definitely the cult 572 00:33:42,102 --> 00:33:43,667 vibes. She's skittish. 573 00:33:43,675 --> 00:33:45,040 Yes. For sure. 574 00:33:45,048 --> 00:33:47,492 Absolutely. Yeah, but she seems very sweet. 575 00:33:47,492 --> 00:33:49,200 And she's actually really cute 576 00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:51,680 too. Like she seems like a very sweet 577 00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:52,480 girl. Yeah. 578 00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:55,720 Oh, keep sweet. I shouldn't have said that. 579 00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:59,560 Poor God, she seems like a sweet girl. 580 00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:01,480 But then, yeah, well, the keep sweet. 581 00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:03,640 Dang well. It's just like me, just like 582 00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:07,640 you, we keep sweet. You know, ask my husband about 583 00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:08,440 it. Yeah, I know, right? 584 00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:11,120 Anyone who's ever spent more than 5 minutes with me and 585 00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:12,760 they'll agree. Sweet. 586 00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:16,520 At this point, we get a little bit of a transition where the 587 00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:21,199 kids are introduced to Christy, who runs a host family home. 588 00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:24,159 So I'm a little unclear. Once again, they didn't really 589 00:34:24,159 --> 00:34:26,639 do a good job of setting this up and giving us details. 590 00:34:26,639 --> 00:34:30,080 So I'm going, were we priming and painting Christie's home to 591 00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:32,120 have people move in? Did we prime and paint another 592 00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:34,560 home and now Christie's home is a different home and they're 593 00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:36,800 moving things in. It's hard to know. 594 00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:39,280 And also we don't really know that they're moving things in. 595 00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:40,840 This is just because we've watched the episode. 596 00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:42,920 So I know that they do. This is the problem. 597 00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:45,400 They they're not giving us any real details. 598 00:34:45,639 --> 00:34:50,480 It's weird. So we go to the house and 599 00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:55,022 Kolleen is talking about how she has a house family now and 600 00:34:55,022 --> 00:34:59,950 it's basically, yeah, like a hosting family that takes in 601 00:34:59,950 --> 00:35:05,840 the kids and like the one offs that escape, not the families. 602 00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:08,680 And. Yeah, you know, like the, you 603 00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:11,720 know, the stragglers, the ones that got out of there alone. 604 00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:16,720 And yeah, Kolleen is talking about how her house family is 605 00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:19,600 her real family now and that she loves them. 606 00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:24,925 And she now has a real dad and a real mom and she loves them 607 00:35:24,925 --> 00:35:27,880 and that's amazing for her. And so I think that they bring 608 00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:30,840 us to that house to show like what a house family is. 609 00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:31,920 That makes sense. Yeah. 610 00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:35,400 And then I think that the house that they're fixing up and 611 00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:41,360 moving furniture into is probably, and like, don't quote 612 00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:44,240 me on this, but I think it's Suzanne's family because they 613 00:35:44,240 --> 00:35:46,240 talk about moving her mom's. Her mom's stuff. 614 00:35:46,240 --> 00:35:47,120 That's right. Yeah. 615 00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:48,880 OK. So I really wish they would have 616 00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:51,760 clarified this because for some reason, the way that you're 617 00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:53,560 saying it is totally makes sense. 618 00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:58,200 I think Christie is Kolleen's host mother, her mom. 619 00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:00,640 And she refers to her as her mom and her dad. 620 00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:03,840 And I did find that to be a little like, oh, OK. 621 00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:09,120 Like, I don't know at what age you don't where you still accept 622 00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:12,240 people that are caretakers, caregivers. 623 00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:15,960 Yeah. Because she's 17, but is she 17 624 00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:18,120 at filming? I don't think so. 625 00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:19,800 So. She's like 19 now. 626 00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:22,280 I don't want to nitpick at it, it just was a little hard to 627 00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:27,600 follow and I blame Putty, Uncle Monkey, Puddle Puddle Monkey 628 00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:31,240 Productions because it's like, why couldn't you have just given 629 00:36:31,240 --> 00:36:33,160 us a little clearer of a breakdown? 630 00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:35,400 Yeah, they don't. I guess if I was just casually 631 00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:37,800 watching it as I was scrolling on my phone, I probably wouldn't 632 00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:40,040 care. So like, to be fair, it's all 633 00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:43,000 right. But Kolleen's host family's home 634 00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:46,320 is where we're at. Christie's her mom and Kolleen 635 00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:51,240 gives us some further background about her bio family and her 636 00:36:51,240 --> 00:36:54,040 history. She said that she would only see 637 00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:58,120 her bio dad for holidays, birthdays, and occasionally at 638 00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:01,040 church. Not sure that Kolleen with a 639 00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:04,880 cake told us how many wives or children her dad has. 640 00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:07,800 We just know he's an elder, so he probably has spread that seed 641 00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:11,000 far and wide. Yeah, we don't hear about that. 642 00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:13,960 We find out later about another one. 643 00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:15,240 Yeah. Oh God. 644 00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:19,080 Yeah, she, God, she says that her dad was like the king of the 645 00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:22,920 house and that when he would come over they had a glass ass 646 00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:26,400 plate and nice dishes just for him. 647 00:37:26,720 --> 00:37:31,040 And they got the shitty like plastic, whatever throwaway 648 00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:33,840 stuff that we always talk about, the landfill stuff. 649 00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:36,640 Yes, the landfill. So yeah, she would see her mom 650 00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:40,200 basically roll out the red carpet for her king of a father 651 00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:44,240 every time he came, and she resents it for sure. 652 00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:47,040 Even the way that she was describing it has those heavy 653 00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:49,760 vibes of like angst and aggression. 654 00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:53,200 And it kind of like you could have described this without 655 00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:57,360 being so kind of whatever. But she does paint a picture. 656 00:37:57,480 --> 00:38:00,760 She paints a picture and it's not a cute 1. 657 00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:05,080 And it reminded me of the whole thing with Robyn. 658 00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:08,120 And it's like undertone of polygamous slash, overtone 659 00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:10,240 slash. What it is that when the husband 660 00:38:10,240 --> 00:38:14,560 shows up, he is number one. You're in the house. 661 00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:17,080 I'm going to. Oh, it's all about you, honey. 662 00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:18,520 We love you. You're so amazing. 663 00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:21,600 You walk on water like you don't want him to feel bad in your 664 00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:25,320 home because you only get him so often and you want him to love 665 00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:27,160 you. Yeah, you don't have to lift a 666 00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:28,840 finger when you come here, darling. 667 00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:32,800 And that's why, you know, Kody doesn't really like Kody ends up 668 00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:36,760 having issues with Christine. I've been probably Janelle too, 669 00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:40,080 but primarily Christine is like, I'm sure Christine was like, I 670 00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:41,440 expect you to show up and be a husband. 671 00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:44,840 And he's like, excuse me? Like, I can go to Robyn's and 672 00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:46,880 just kick my feet up on the couch, you know? 673 00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:51,600 Oh, yeah. I just can't even imagine as a 674 00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:59,840 young child seeing your dad come and this like, imposing figure 675 00:38:59,840 --> 00:39:03,840 that is the head of the household and mommy is getting 676 00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:07,600 out the nice things that only come out when he is there and 677 00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:12,040 how warped that would make your mind. 678 00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:17,280 And I think that's why she is like these. 679 00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:19,080 This is my mom and this is my dad. 680 00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:25,600 I think it's easy when someone has been in such a horrible 681 00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:31,800 situation as a child for them to need that love and affection 682 00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:34,960 from someone. So even though she's only known 683 00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:37,920 them a short period of time, they've shown her compassion and 684 00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:40,880 love. And so yeah, like she's the. 685 00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:43,880 Unconditional love that she didn't get from her parents. 686 00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:46,666 I think she actually says that. 687 00:39:46,674 --> 00:39:51,420 Yeah, there is a splice up here in between Kolleen with AK's 688 00:39:51,428 --> 00:39:56,004 bullet points where Logan says he and Maddie don't want to live 689 00:39:56,004 --> 00:39:58,726 in polygamy and Aspen says that she does. 690 00:39:58,734 --> 00:40:03,256 And so this is I think where Kolleen kind of we get her first 691 00:40:03,256 --> 00:40:07,720 real going in Adam. Well, Kolleen asks about it, and 692 00:40:07,720 --> 00:40:12,502 then one of the older women says, well, how would you feel 693 00:40:12,510 --> 00:40:15,960 if you saw your partner, your husband with another woman? 694 00:40:15,968 --> 00:40:18,582 Yeah. And, you know, we get Maddie, 695 00:40:18,590 --> 00:40:21,624 who says, I couldn't handle it, I wouldn't like it. 696 00:40:21,632 --> 00:40:26,175 And then they look at Aspen and she's like, well, I want to do 697 00:40:26,183 --> 00:40:28,578 it. I, I think I want to be a 698 00:40:28,586 --> 00:40:31,656 polygamist. And then they just kind of go in 699 00:40:31,656 --> 00:40:35,662 on her. Even the I don't remember which 700 00:40:35,662 --> 00:40:39,448 older person it was but they make the comment. 701 00:40:39,456 --> 00:40:42,090 Well, how would you feel if you know he had? 702 00:40:42,098 --> 00:40:44,560 Sharing. Sharing your husband so even one 703 00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:48,378 of the older people kind of like got on her and asked her. 704 00:40:48,386 --> 00:40:52,235 It was a bit heavy, to be fair. When this conversation is done, 705 00:40:52,235 --> 00:40:55,790 they do say you guys are handling this like pros, like 706 00:40:55,798 --> 00:40:57,734 they say that they give them their props. 707 00:40:57,742 --> 00:41:01,240 So don't want to like, you know, but Aspen literally is kind of 708 00:41:01,248 --> 00:41:05,595 like, I don't know. And it's very Aspen coded Aspen 709 00:41:05,595 --> 00:41:07,583 vibes. She's just kind of like, I mean, 710 00:41:07,583 --> 00:41:10,060 I don't know, I, I feel like it's, I'm not sure. 711 00:41:10,068 --> 00:41:13,074 And it's like, Oh my God, like how do you answer these 712 00:41:13,082 --> 00:41:15,550 questions? But also if you're going to have 713 00:41:15,550 --> 00:41:19,030 a husband with multiple wives, it's part of the equation. 714 00:41:19,038 --> 00:41:22,068 She's also like 16 or 17. Yeah, she's like, I haven't even 715 00:41:22,068 --> 00:41:24,937 thought about it. Like, OK, like get off her back. 716 00:41:24,937 --> 00:41:26,560 She's literally a little like I 717 00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:31,440 don't know, like I literally wrote down IDK like she's like I 718 00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:33,600 don't know. She's getting asked like this 719 00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:36,080 serious question and she's thinking about it for the first 720 00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:38,640 time, right? She's like, so confused. 721 00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:42,600 Totally. And Kolleen with AK, Oh my gosh, 722 00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:47,160 she's like poor Aspen. She's brainwashed. 723 00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:52,760 Brainwashed. She says to Aspen. 724 00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:54,840 I think you're going to get screwed over. 725 00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:58,320 Yes, honestly, I think you're going to get screwed over. 726 00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:01,760 These statements are so dramatic. 727 00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:05,040 And she says, she says again, I think you have to be dumb to do 728 00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:07,400 it. And then Maddie says, well, I 729 00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:09,389 don't think my parents are dumb. 730 00:42:09,397 --> 00:42:11,934 Right. She's so aggressive. 731 00:42:11,942 --> 00:42:17,245 Yeah, it's just kind of like. And these kids do do a great job 732 00:42:17,245 --> 00:42:21,440 of not getting because like I, I probably would react, what is 733 00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:24,264 it called? Like eat it up or do you know, 734 00:42:24,272 --> 00:42:25,910 whatever, go for it, fall for it. 735 00:42:25,918 --> 00:42:28,168 And I would be all like, listen, bitch, I'm not dumb. 736 00:42:28,176 --> 00:42:31,580 And it's like, OK, well, just consider who you're listening to 737 00:42:31,580 --> 00:42:36,089 and whatever, It's all good. Yeah, I'm surprised that they 738 00:42:36,097 --> 00:42:44,680 let Aspen do this because she is pretty young and she's not very 739 00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:49,349 assertive, like in general. So to put her in a situation 740 00:42:49,357 --> 00:42:52,390 where she's got to defend polygamy, it's like that's why 741 00:42:52,398 --> 00:42:56,362 they asked her at the beginning. And I'm like, that's a lot to 742 00:42:56,370 --> 00:43:00,300 put on your child to defend your choice like that. 743 00:43:00,308 --> 00:43:04,100 And now here it is. And she's like. 744 00:43:04,108 --> 00:43:05,640 Totally. Like I'm caught. 745 00:43:05,648 --> 00:43:08,060 I'm caught in the headlights. I don't know. 746 00:43:08,068 --> 00:43:11,568 Gosh. As the scene continues, they are 747 00:43:11,568 --> 00:43:14,532 moving in Suzanne's families things into this home. 748 00:43:14,540 --> 00:43:17,070 So this is where you put the pieces together. 749 00:43:17,078 --> 00:43:20,605 Before I did that, this home that they were painting, it's 750 00:43:20,613 --> 00:43:24,360 probably for Suzanne's family because they're moving in 751 00:43:24,368 --> 00:43:26,815 different items. And the first one that we get 752 00:43:26,823 --> 00:43:30,704 drawn attention to is a computer, like a desktop CPU 753 00:43:30,712 --> 00:43:34,744 component, like the box. It's definitely old school, but 754 00:43:34,744 --> 00:43:38,595 there's like a sticker on it that almost looked like as a 755 00:43:38,603 --> 00:43:40,512 pin. Like I feel like it had depth 756 00:43:40,520 --> 00:43:41,892 but then. Like Pedro Pin. 757 00:43:41,900 --> 00:43:45,004 But when they peeled it off, it was just a sticker. 758 00:43:45,012 --> 00:43:49,210 At first, it looked like a pen. And it has Warren Jeff's face on 759 00:43:49,210 --> 00:43:51,360 it. And Suzanne talks about how 760 00:43:51,368 --> 00:43:53,395 Warren Jeff's stickers are put on everything. 761 00:43:53,403 --> 00:43:57,080 They're put on many things because we're to pray every time 762 00:43:57,080 --> 00:44:00,362 we see the stickers. And they would continue doing it 763 00:44:00,362 --> 00:44:02,644 when he went to prison because, you know, they're 764 00:44:02,644 --> 00:44:05,378 saviors behind bars, so they're supposed to pray for him 765 00:44:05,378 --> 00:44:09,135 and pray for themselves. Because nobody believed it and 766 00:44:09,143 --> 00:44:12,160 everyone thought that the government was against them and 767 00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:15,760 just tearing the family apart and against their church and. 768 00:44:15,768 --> 00:44:18,662 It was so creepy. I can't remember what the saying 769 00:44:18,662 --> 00:44:21,320 was around Warren Jeffs on this sticker, but it was totally 770 00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:24,712 one of those stupid, like one of those weird culty phrases. 771 00:44:24,720 --> 00:44:29,600 And I just was imagining being in an environment where we've 772 00:44:29,608 --> 00:44:34,903 seen footage of the FLDS compounds as the prophet of the 773 00:44:34,903 --> 00:44:37,650 FLDS. His portraits are everywhere and 774 00:44:37,650 --> 00:44:41,026 his pictures everywhere. And he's he teaches the kids at 775 00:44:41,026 --> 00:44:42,760 school, he leads them in prayer. 776 00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:45,920 He's just like everywhere. So to have to constantly be 777 00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:51,280 praying to this prophet, this human, just gross, gross. 778 00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:56,960 And then we move on from the CPU, from this old computer to 779 00:44:57,160 --> 00:45:01,040 Suzanne's mom's headboard. Well, first they go and there's 780 00:45:01,040 --> 00:45:03,560 a bunch of school desks and they're having to peel the 781 00:45:03,560 --> 00:45:07,000 stickers with like, paint. What are those? 782 00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:08,880 Scrapers. Scrapers. 783 00:45:09,120 --> 00:45:11,800 And they're having to peel Warren Jeff's face and these 784 00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:15,040 stickers off of multiple desks and it's like. 785 00:45:17,080 --> 00:45:21,240 And Maddie says she thinks it was cathartic for them to be 786 00:45:21,240 --> 00:45:23,840 peeling these stickers off. Like, it probably felt pretty 787 00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:25,840 good. It was a nice thing for them to 788 00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:28,000 be doing. Liked it, Fair enough. 789 00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:32,600 And Suzanne said that she was devastated when she found out 790 00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:35,120 who Warren really was. Right? 791 00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:41,080 Like when she came to terms with what he had done and learned 792 00:45:41,080 --> 00:45:45,320 that it was real. She was devastated. 793 00:45:45,720 --> 00:45:50,680 She was raised that he was the prophet and believed he is next 794 00:45:50,680 --> 00:45:53,800 to God really and. She said it makes you question 795 00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:57,520 everything, like everything you ever thought was real, like 796 00:45:57,520 --> 00:45:59,408 you're questioning your reality. 797 00:45:59,416 --> 00:46:04,325 And this is when we see Suzanne's mom's headboard. 798 00:46:04,333 --> 00:46:10,440 Being brought in, it's like white and arched. 799 00:46:10,448 --> 00:46:17,048 It's an arched wooden headboard. Painted white and on it it says 800 00:46:17,048 --> 00:46:21,432 keep sweet on the top and on the bottom it says dreams. 801 00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:24,908 And they discuss this idea, the notion of keep sweet. 802 00:46:24,916 --> 00:46:28,362 And I go a little like, Oh, cod, Oh cod, because, you know, we 803 00:46:28,370 --> 00:46:32,344 have keep sweet moments on this show and I try to like I don't 804 00:46:32,352 --> 00:46:37,652 know, I thought it was silly and it tie in to the whole cult 805 00:46:37,660 --> 00:46:41,654 thing and the vibes, but really like keeping sweet is. 806 00:46:41,662 --> 00:46:43,190 It's dark. Really really dark. 807 00:46:43,198 --> 00:46:44,875 Especially have like on your headboard. 808 00:46:44,883 --> 00:46:47,960 Oh my God, an adult woman's headboard. 809 00:46:47,968 --> 00:46:51,696 Very dark. It's basically a way for them to 810 00:46:51,696 --> 00:46:54,748 make everybody shut up. If you're not keeping sweet, 811 00:46:54,756 --> 00:46:56,372 there's something wrong with you. 812 00:46:56,380 --> 00:47:01,202 And if there's a fight between the kids, Suzanne says that they 813 00:47:01,202 --> 00:47:05,570 would just tell the kids, keep sweet, which meant keep it to 814 00:47:05,578 --> 00:47:09,234 yourself, keep it inside, shut up and act nice, keep sweet. 815 00:47:09,242 --> 00:47:12,908 And then the same thing with the moms, which is why it's on her 816 00:47:12,916 --> 00:47:14,725 mom's headboard. It was a way to manipulate the 817 00:47:14,733 --> 00:47:16,102 wives. If you're not keeping sweet, why 818 00:47:16,102 --> 00:47:18,642 would your husband want to spend time with you and be with 819 00:47:18,642 --> 00:47:19,320 you? Keep sweet. 820 00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:22,240 It's a manipulation tactic. And it was something that they 821 00:47:22,240 --> 00:47:25,520 would say specifically to the girls and children. 822 00:47:26,240 --> 00:47:28,440 Friendly reminder to leave us five stars in a friendly 823 00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:30,120 compliment. A review. 824 00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:32,720 A review that we would love to read for a keep sweet moment. 825 00:47:32,720 --> 00:47:33,960 Make sure to keep sweet out there. 826 00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:38,600 I think of Sweet Honesty, the perfume from Avon. 827 00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:41,120 It was a perfume that they had like in the 90s. 828 00:47:41,960 --> 00:47:44,035 Probably smell like baby powder. 829 00:47:44,043 --> 00:47:46,980 Yeah, yeah, yeah. I can picture the bottle. 830 00:47:46,988 --> 00:47:50,262 Oh my God. Then this is where the children 831 00:47:50,262 --> 00:47:54,318 decide just out of nowhere, out of the goodness of their hearts, 832 00:47:54,318 --> 00:47:57,580 that they should invite Suzanne, Steve, Nicole and 833 00:47:57,580 --> 00:48:02,668 Kolleen to come and meet their family, along with the two other 834 00:48:02,668 --> 00:48:06,332 other adults, of course. But yes, they want them to come 835 00:48:06,332 --> 00:48:10,238 and meet their family, and they think it's a good opportunity 836 00:48:10,246 --> 00:48:15,183 for them to see that polygamy can actually be a good thing 837 00:48:15,191 --> 00:48:17,164 still. After two days of helping, that 838 00:48:17,164 --> 00:48:19,885 was the only note that I took was that they helped these 839 00:48:19,893 --> 00:48:22,800 people out for two days of painting and moving furniture 840 00:48:22,808 --> 00:48:26,268 and answering their questions and being berated home for their 841 00:48:26,268 --> 00:48:29,015 polygamous parents choices. Two whole days, yes. 842 00:48:29,023 --> 00:48:33,148 Maddie says that she was concerned Kolleen would show up 843 00:48:33,148 --> 00:48:36,080 with a bad attitude. Yeah, and be antagonistic. 844 00:48:36,088 --> 00:48:38,880 Which I don't know why she would think that. 845 00:48:38,888 --> 00:48:43,458 I don't know why at all. But Maddie asked her to keep an 846 00:48:43,458 --> 00:48:46,975 open mind. Tanya and Carrie, the two adults 847 00:48:46,975 --> 00:48:51,740 whose names I keep forgetting. They're worried that the Browns 848 00:48:51,740 --> 00:48:55,469 won't validate them and won't recognize the abuse that's 849 00:48:55,477 --> 00:48:56,970 actually going on. Yeah, that. 850 00:48:56,978 --> 00:48:58,374 They won't even validate it at all. 851 00:48:58,382 --> 00:49:00,260 Like Nope, Nope, Nope, Nope, Nope. 852 00:49:00,268 --> 00:49:02,862 Yeah. So they have their own concerns 853 00:49:02,862 --> 00:49:05,810 about it and they are obviously going along. 854 00:49:05,818 --> 00:49:09,882 This is like their charity that, you know, they run, but they 855 00:49:09,890 --> 00:49:13,708 kind of have taken like a backseat this whole time, piping 856 00:49:13,708 --> 00:49:16,505 up here and there. So we get to hear a little bit 857 00:49:16,513 --> 00:49:18,010 more from them during this, which is good. 858 00:49:18,018 --> 00:49:22,002 Yeah. So the group arrives, they show 859 00:49:22,002 --> 00:49:28,840 them inside of the Browns home. And Kolleen and Suzanne say that 860 00:49:28,840 --> 00:49:34,344 the noise reminds them of home in quotations, like their 861 00:49:34,352 --> 00:49:38,204 original homes with, like, all of the chaos and the noise. 862 00:49:38,212 --> 00:49:43,352 And I feel like that would be triggering if you'd been out of 863 00:49:43,352 --> 00:49:46,760 that quite a while. Especially in Kolleen's 864 00:49:46,768 --> 00:49:49,423 situation. She is the only person that left 865 00:49:49,423 --> 00:49:52,760 her family, as far as we know. She left alone. 866 00:49:52,768 --> 00:49:59,175 And to be going into a home that is chaotic and noisy and kind of 867 00:49:59,175 --> 00:50:05,028 brings you back to that place and time in your life, I would 868 00:50:05,036 --> 00:50:09,142 feel super overwhelmed, like. She was talking about it with 869 00:50:09,150 --> 00:50:12,080 Suzanne, so, you know, they both were identifying in some manner. 870 00:50:12,080 --> 00:50:12,400 Yeah. 871 00:50:12,920 --> 00:50:16,040 But definitely Kolleen with AK was leading that charge. 872 00:50:17,720 --> 00:50:21,680 Janelle says that Kolleen is hell bent on being everything 873 00:50:21,680 --> 00:50:24,480 that's not plague. Not plague. 874 00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:28,080 Well, Janelle clocked her. It wasn't. 875 00:50:28,120 --> 00:50:29,600 It wasn't that hard to clock, right? 876 00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:33,240 Yeah. And this is where they're where 877 00:50:33,240 --> 00:50:36,560 Stephen is asked about his situation and we get a little 878 00:50:36,560 --> 00:50:38,480 more detail, of course, not very much. 879 00:50:39,480 --> 00:50:43,640 Was the question posed to him why he left, or was it why he 880 00:50:43,640 --> 00:50:46,320 was kicked out? Why he was kicked out? 881 00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:48,320 Yeah, so he must have volunteered that he was kicked 882 00:50:48,320 --> 00:50:50,440 out or something. Yep, he said that he was kicked 883 00:50:50,440 --> 00:50:54,880 out and I think Kody, one of the parents, asks why. 884 00:50:55,080 --> 00:50:59,080 Why would you be kicked out? And he says that he went out one 885 00:50:59,080 --> 00:51:01,880 night and that it wasn't the most common thing for him to go 886 00:51:01,880 --> 00:51:05,400 out, but that he stayed out until 2:00 AM. 887 00:51:05,720 --> 00:51:09,240 And so his father said you're out of here and kicked him out 888 00:51:09,240 --> 00:51:12,200 of the house. OK, So what does a boy without 889 00:51:12,200 --> 00:51:14,600 interest or personality do till 2:00 AM? 890 00:51:14,640 --> 00:51:17,680 Maybe stargaze. I don't know, like maybe cow 891 00:51:17,680 --> 00:51:18,840 tip? Cow tipping. 892 00:51:19,080 --> 00:51:21,040 Cow tip. I I don't know. 893 00:51:22,160 --> 00:51:25,520 I'm not, you know. OK, so let's assume he's a St. 894 00:51:25,520 --> 00:51:27,960 and he never did anything and then he just randomly stayed out 895 00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:31,200 till 2:00 AM for no reason. Then that, yeah, it's an extreme 896 00:51:31,200 --> 00:51:34,840 reaction. It also reminds me of how 897 00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:37,280 there's that whole exodus of boys. 898 00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:39,480 I was just. Going to say they find any 899 00:51:39,480 --> 00:51:41,480 reason to kick the boys out. Absolutely. 900 00:51:41,480 --> 00:51:43,720 They don't give a shit. Can't marry those boys off in 901 00:51:43,720 --> 00:51:45,160 the same way you can your daughters. 902 00:51:45,160 --> 00:51:46,775 No, it's another mouth to feed. 903 00:51:46,783 --> 00:51:50,215 As far as they're concerned, yeah, they can give a helping 904 00:51:50,223 --> 00:51:53,398 hand until a certain point. And then when they're supposed 905 00:51:53,406 --> 00:51:56,068 to get married, like there's no one to approve. 906 00:51:56,076 --> 00:51:58,850 No one's going to approve their marriages, right. 907 00:51:58,858 --> 00:52:03,620 Even the ones that find somebody that they want to marry, the 908 00:52:03,628 --> 00:52:05,932 girl ends up usually being taken away. 909 00:52:05,940 --> 00:52:08,040 And no, you can't marry someone that you want to marry. 910 00:52:08,048 --> 00:52:10,710 You're already going to marry this man that's 20 years older 911 00:52:10,718 --> 00:52:11,660 than you. Yeah. 912 00:52:11,668 --> 00:52:13,555 You're. Being you're being assigned by 913 00:52:13,563 --> 00:52:15,675 the Prophet, yeah. God. 914 00:52:15,683 --> 00:52:19,500 So I have a feeling that it's one of those things. 915 00:52:19,508 --> 00:52:22,200 He just any reason to kick him out? 916 00:52:22,208 --> 00:52:22,776 Sure. Yeah. 917 00:52:22,784 --> 00:52:25,384 You're out of here. You don't respect my rules. 918 00:52:25,392 --> 00:52:27,410 Get out. It's awful. 919 00:52:27,418 --> 00:52:31,946 So Kolleen says that she was shunned her whole life and she 920 00:52:31,954 --> 00:52:35,890 doesn't understand or know why, but they started calling her a 921 00:52:35,898 --> 00:52:40,695 devil child. Can you imagine your family just 922 00:52:40,695 --> 00:52:44,320 being like, there goes the devil, child devil? 923 00:52:44,328 --> 00:52:50,230 Child devil child devil child does whatever devil child does. 924 00:52:50,230 --> 00:52:52,760 Well, you know she says which 925 00:52:52,760 --> 00:52:55,800 your dad is kind of the devil, so might be fitting. 926 00:52:56,440 --> 00:53:02,000 I'm curious what Kolleen with the K did for to elicit such a 927 00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:05,520 response from people. It must have been her friendly 928 00:53:05,520 --> 00:53:10,440 disposition, her warm and welcoming way of speaking. 929 00:53:10,680 --> 00:53:15,440 So I have a feeling that this kind of has been going on her 930 00:53:15,440 --> 00:53:18,440 whole life, Like she said that maybe she was a little rowdy or 931 00:53:18,440 --> 00:53:23,979 than the other girls, she didn't maybe act right, keep sweet as 932 00:53:23,979 --> 00:53:26,680 a little girl. She was maybe wild. 933 00:53:27,280 --> 00:53:32,960 And then when she left at 15 and came back, she probably really 934 00:53:32,960 --> 00:53:35,960 got shunned and was told all of her siblings were probably told 935 00:53:35,960 --> 00:53:39,160 nobody can talk to her. She left, she's a devil's child, 936 00:53:39,160 --> 00:53:41,520 nobody can talk to her. And that's probably when she 937 00:53:41,520 --> 00:53:48,800 really got shunned because the book that I read that's about 938 00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:54,400 FLDS and a woman that fled, she talks about when she would try 939 00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:56,240 to run away and get drugged back. 940 00:53:56,240 --> 00:53:58,480 Each time she got drugged back, it was worse and worse. 941 00:53:58,480 --> 00:54:01,040 And her whole family was told that they couldn't talk to her. 942 00:54:01,040 --> 00:54:03,280 And she was like, I was a ghost in my own home. 943 00:54:03,800 --> 00:54:07,760 Literally, people would turn their backs, ignore me, talk 944 00:54:07,760 --> 00:54:10,880 about me like I wasn't there. It was like I was a shadow. 945 00:54:11,480 --> 00:54:16,400 And so I have a feeling that she left and came back and it was 946 00:54:16,400 --> 00:54:20,960 even worse than when she was there as a child. 947 00:54:20,960 --> 00:54:24,720 Like, that is so awful and harmful to your psyche. 948 00:54:25,560 --> 00:54:28,600 But yeah, she says. They started calling me a devil 949 00:54:28,600 --> 00:54:33,800 child, but my dad kind of is the devil probably. 950 00:54:33,800 --> 00:54:36,160 And does she have respect for her father, honey? 951 00:54:36,160 --> 00:54:39,640 Oh no, she has no respect for that man and wants to blow him 952 00:54:39,640 --> 00:54:41,240 up. Blow him up. 953 00:54:41,720 --> 00:54:42,960 I want to. Blow him up. 954 00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:47,560 That's some strong language there, Kolleen with AK. 955 00:54:47,720 --> 00:54:50,360 She wants to sound so intelligent and she wants to 956 00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:54,240 like come across as imposing and get these ideas across to 957 00:54:54,240 --> 00:54:57,600 people, but she doesn't have the vocabulary to do it or the 958 00:54:57,600 --> 00:55:00,720 intelligence yet. And I'm not saying she's stupid, 959 00:55:00,720 --> 00:55:04,720 I'm just saying she hasn't gone probably through any sort of 960 00:55:04,720 --> 00:55:10,665 proper education to know what to say or like have the verbiage 961 00:55:10,665 --> 00:55:13,560 to use. And so she says things like I 962 00:55:13,560 --> 00:55:19,080 want to blow him up. And it just shows that she's 963 00:55:19,080 --> 00:55:22,200 stuck in this mentality of a 15 year old. 964 00:55:22,640 --> 00:55:25,080 Absolutely. The language she uses is 965 00:55:25,120 --> 00:55:28,720 alienating to someone who isn't even a polygamist. 966 00:55:28,720 --> 00:55:31,280 Like, listening to her is just like, hey, girl. 967 00:55:31,840 --> 00:55:34,040 And I want to have empathy for her. 968 00:55:34,040 --> 00:55:37,040 I want to, you know, hear about her experience in a way that 969 00:55:37,040 --> 00:55:40,960 isn't so brash and, like, hard to digest. 970 00:55:41,200 --> 00:55:42,640 She just doesn't know how to do it. 971 00:55:42,640 --> 00:55:45,040 She's going the complete opposite way, just like what 972 00:55:45,040 --> 00:55:51,160 Christine said, because she's rebelling and rejecting anything 973 00:55:51,160 --> 00:55:53,160 that had to do with her previous life. 974 00:55:53,160 --> 00:55:57,080 And I, I get that, you know, like I'm sure that that's part 975 00:55:57,080 --> 00:56:00,040 of the process of getting out of something like that and the 976 00:56:00,040 --> 00:56:04,520 anger that comes with it and whatever, but it just comes 977 00:56:04,520 --> 00:56:05,160 across. It's the. 978 00:56:05,160 --> 00:56:08,880 Process that they refer to, I said deprogramming. 979 00:56:08,920 --> 00:56:11,120 Yeah, deprogramming. I thought that's the term. 980 00:56:12,000 --> 00:56:14,480 There's an opportunity for Kody to jump in. 981 00:56:14,480 --> 00:56:16,520 They've got him on the couch, and he's talking about, of 982 00:56:16,520 --> 00:56:20,280 course, now how he feels about being introduced to Kolleen. 983 00:56:20,960 --> 00:56:25,840 And he says he feels like it's his obligation to shoulder this. 984 00:56:26,560 --> 00:56:30,480 How do I make it better? I'm like, oh, God, Kody, Jeez, 985 00:56:32,120 --> 00:56:34,600 Kody, when was the last time you made anything better for 986 00:56:34,600 --> 00:56:37,000 anybody? There's a tinge of like, of 987 00:56:37,000 --> 00:56:39,880 course, this is all about you, Like gross. 988 00:56:41,120 --> 00:56:45,040 You know, it's just. Him and Robyn always have to 989 00:56:45,040 --> 00:56:47,840 bring it back to themselves. Taking up space, I feel like I. 990 00:56:47,840 --> 00:56:50,800 Need to shoulder this responsibility. 991 00:56:51,200 --> 00:56:53,520 Right, I'm going to be a father figure to this girl. 992 00:56:53,680 --> 00:56:56,200 Shut the fuck up. You're not even a father figure 993 00:56:56,200 --> 00:56:58,880 to most of your children. She doesn't need that from you 994 00:56:58,920 --> 00:57:01,440 dude. To Lulu, Very. 995 00:57:01,560 --> 00:57:03,680 But yes, you're right, Robyn gets to make it all about her 996 00:57:03,680 --> 00:57:05,320 later. And here we've got Kody, making 997 00:57:05,320 --> 00:57:07,640 it all about him. These two are insufferable. 998 00:57:07,640 --> 00:57:09,960 Like for real they're. Truly magic. 999 00:57:09,960 --> 00:57:13,200 They're the people's coupled. Tanya does take a moment during 1000 00:57:13,200 --> 00:57:15,560 some discussion to clarify that they help people that are both 1001 00:57:15,560 --> 00:57:18,160 escaped the cults and who are still in it. 1002 00:57:18,400 --> 00:57:20,680 And of course Christine has to be like, oh, I didn't know that 1003 00:57:20,760 --> 00:57:22,960 home. And it's like Christine, shut 1004 00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:25,200 the fuck up. Like, Oh my God, if you talked 1005 00:57:25,200 --> 00:57:27,400 about everything you didn't know, we would never hear the 1006 00:57:27,400 --> 00:57:30,160 end of it. Just I don't know why Christine 1007 00:57:30,160 --> 00:57:32,720 gets under my skin so much. Of course they help people that 1008 00:57:32,720 --> 00:57:34,875 are out and of course they would like to help people that are 1009 00:57:34,875 --> 00:57:36,840 in and want to get out. Like hello. 1010 00:57:37,160 --> 00:57:39,413 Or maybe if they aren't prepared to pull the trigger and get 1011 00:57:39,413 --> 00:57:41,110 out, you still might need things. 1012 00:57:41,118 --> 00:57:44,762 I think that what she means here is that they help people who 1013 00:57:44,770 --> 00:57:48,548 want to stay in their religion but want to be in a healthy like 1014 00:57:48,548 --> 00:57:52,080 aspect with their religion. So, you know, Christine thinks 1015 00:57:52,088 --> 00:57:55,520 that they're just taking people out and like, deprogramming them 1016 00:57:55,520 --> 00:57:59,088 and telling them that polygamy is wrong and trying to get them 1017 00:57:59,088 --> 00:58:02,878 completely out of polygamy. When Tanya's saying no, we do 1018 00:58:02,886 --> 00:58:06,706 help people that still like, want to be in their religion but 1019 00:58:06,706 --> 00:58:09,734 want to be in it in a way that's safe and healthy. 1020 00:58:09,742 --> 00:58:12,870 An example could be picking up Leon and making sure that Leon 1021 00:58:12,878 --> 00:58:16,224 gets to gym class so that Leon could become a doctor to. 1022 00:58:16,232 --> 00:58:20,732 Get Leon to be a doctor. Let's make sure Leon's a doctor. 1023 00:58:20,732 --> 00:58:23,120 And you know, I mean, this all 1024 00:58:23,120 --> 00:58:24,320 makes sense. OK, good. 1025 00:58:24,320 --> 00:58:27,920 God bless, yadda yadda yadda. Suzanne shares a little bit more 1026 00:58:27,920 --> 00:58:30,880 about her story. Got me in the heartstrings. 1027 00:58:31,320 --> 00:58:34,080 And she says that her father was sent off to repent. 1028 00:58:34,520 --> 00:58:39,800 Now, you know, a little vague on the background here, but her 1029 00:58:39,920 --> 00:58:42,840 father was told you need to leave and go repent. 1030 00:58:42,840 --> 00:58:45,000 We do get a little bit more after this. 1031 00:58:45,000 --> 00:58:47,155 So I'm sorry if I sound a little like what are you talking 1032 00:58:47,155 --> 00:58:49,732 about? He said he was leaving and that 1033 00:58:49,732 --> 00:58:53,428 they were to forget about him. Can you imagine? 1034 00:58:53,436 --> 00:58:56,370 And then he basically packed up his shit and just drove away. 1035 00:58:56,378 --> 00:58:58,703 And she said something, you know, like, he just drove out of 1036 00:58:58,703 --> 00:59:00,160 the yard or out of the driveway. 1037 00:59:00,160 --> 00:59:04,000 And it was just like, oh, God. And he also says you are to be 1038 00:59:04,000 --> 00:59:06,240 considered Warren Jeff's children. 1039 00:59:06,240 --> 00:59:08,302 Warren Jeff is now your father. 1040 00:59:08,310 --> 00:59:13,858 But because our prophet is in prison, you will be given a 1041 00:59:13,866 --> 00:59:15,800 caretaker. God. 1042 00:59:15,808 --> 00:59:18,845 Here, Tigger. Now, what's funny is when I was 1043 00:59:18,845 --> 00:59:22,962 saying something to you about this, I was referencing this new 1044 00:59:22,962 --> 00:59:27,216 newish Netflix documentary that's come out the Trust me, 1045 00:59:27,224 --> 00:59:30,422 The False Prophet, which recently came out on Netflix and 1046 00:59:30,422 --> 00:59:33,225 is yeah, I think this weekend was like the number one thing on 1047 00:59:33,225 --> 00:59:34,503 Netflix. Kind of blew up this weekend, 1048 00:59:34,511 --> 00:59:36,560 yeah. Getting a lot of attention, a 1049 00:59:36,568 --> 00:59:39,264 lot of the other Sister Wives podcasters, they're doing a 1050 00:59:39,272 --> 00:59:42,034 little coverage on that and I hope that they're giving it 1051 00:59:42,042 --> 00:59:45,654 justice. It blew up like Kolleen's death. 1052 00:59:45,654 --> 00:59:47,280 And her hair. 1053 00:59:47,920 --> 00:59:51,040 Oh my God. So I was just making a joke 1054 00:59:51,040 --> 00:59:55,200 about how they talk about caregivers in this Netflix 1055 00:59:55,200 --> 00:59:56,760 documentary. They're constantly talking about 1056 00:59:56,760 --> 00:59:58,230 caregiver, caregiver, caregiver. 1057 00:59:58,238 --> 01:00:02,360 And you were like caretaker. And I'm like, oh God, it is 1058 01:00:02,368 --> 01:00:03,900 caretaker. It's not even caregiver. 1059 01:00:03,908 --> 01:00:07,710 Yeah, they're like Undertaker. God, it's like, why are we 1060 01:00:07,718 --> 01:00:10,920 saying caretaker? Oh God, so many things that are 1061 01:00:10,920 --> 01:00:13,041 just not right. Yeah, it's awful. 1062 01:00:13,049 --> 01:00:17,020 So Suzanne was told by her father that her family would be 1063 01:00:17,020 --> 01:00:20,375 given a caretaker because the prophet who's now their father 1064 01:00:20,383 --> 01:00:23,096 is in prison. OK, this is insane. 1065 01:00:23,104 --> 01:00:28,592 Yeah, this is all two months before her and her mother and 1066 01:00:28,600 --> 01:00:32,284 siblings flee the caretaker. To Salt Lake City. 1067 01:00:32,292 --> 01:00:36,718 So this all happens within a 2 month period where Suzanne's dad 1068 01:00:36,718 --> 01:00:40,624 has to leave because of Warren Jeffs telling him that he needs 1069 01:00:40,624 --> 01:00:45,425 to go and repent. Taken those directions from the 1070 01:00:45,425 --> 01:00:48,570 prophet in prison. Suzanne's family, when they 1071 01:00:48,578 --> 01:00:51,626 escaped to Salt Lake, are connected to Tanya and that's 1072 01:00:51,634 --> 01:00:54,258 how they are now being housed and helped. 1073 01:00:54,266 --> 01:00:57,150 Yeah, she's like, we literally fled through the backyard and 1074 01:00:57,158 --> 01:01:01,895 jumped the fence and went to a neighbor to ask for help, and 1075 01:01:01,903 --> 01:01:06,186 they ended up giving them Tanya's information and the name 1076 01:01:06,186 --> 01:01:10,280 of the nonprofit, and that's how they ended up there. 1077 01:01:10,288 --> 01:01:13,318 So insane. And can you just imagine with 1078 01:01:13,326 --> 01:01:16,596 all the kids, I think how many siblings does she have? 1079 01:01:16,604 --> 01:01:19,692 9 or something? A lot, yeah. 1080 01:01:19,700 --> 01:01:25,846 And as a mom, if and people always are like, why didn't they 1081 01:01:25,846 --> 01:01:28,682 leave? Because a lot of them, their 1082 01:01:28,690 --> 01:01:31,280 kids would have been taken or kept. 1083 01:01:31,288 --> 01:01:38,292 And I, as a mother, cannot imagine leaving it like one 1084 01:01:38,300 --> 01:01:42,241 child behind. You know what that life is like. 1085 01:01:42,241 --> 01:01:44,600 How could you ever leave a child 1086 01:01:44,600 --> 01:01:47,120 behind there? And I know people end up having 1087 01:01:47,120 --> 01:01:51,360 to do that, but just such an awful thing to even think about. 1088 01:01:51,560 --> 01:01:55,840 Good Lord, jumping over a fence and running away because you've 1089 01:01:55,840 --> 01:01:59,680 got a caretaker, basically an undertaker watching over you. 1090 01:01:59,680 --> 01:02:02,320 And God knows what that person's doing to them then, right? 1091 01:02:02,520 --> 01:02:06,360 And how awful that person is. Yeah, the idea of fleeing your 1092 01:02:06,360 --> 01:02:10,880 own home, the other examples I think of are things like German 1093 01:02:10,880 --> 01:02:15,120 occupation, recent things with ICE agents in the United States, 1094 01:02:15,120 --> 01:02:19,520 and just kind of these larger organizational backed by 1095 01:02:19,520 --> 01:02:23,680 government things. And so the idea of fleeing your 1096 01:02:23,680 --> 01:02:30,120 own home because of this cult situation, it just, I don't 1097 01:02:30,120 --> 01:02:32,720 know, it's just so icky. It gives me the XXXX. 1098 01:02:32,720 --> 01:02:36,000 The fact that anybody can call it anything but a cult, which it 1099 01:02:36,000 --> 01:02:41,440 is, blows my mind and it's just truly appalling and shocking 1100 01:02:41,440 --> 01:02:43,102 that people are living this way. 1101 01:02:43,110 --> 01:02:45,184 It seems like it's made-up or like a. 1102 01:02:45,192 --> 01:02:47,386 Story from back in like. Oregon Trail days, you know, 1103 01:02:47,394 --> 01:02:51,382 like the way that they dress. It's like, what is going on? 1104 01:02:51,390 --> 01:02:55,620 So the next morning we're at Janelle's house for breakfast. 1105 01:02:55,628 --> 01:02:58,640 Oh, I'm sure Janelle. It looked like they were having 1106 01:02:58,640 --> 01:02:59,592 pancakes and sausage or something. 1107 01:02:59,600 --> 01:03:01,488 And I was like, I need to make pancakes soon. 1108 01:03:01,496 --> 01:03:04,100 I love pancakes. They weren't having their like, 1109 01:03:04,100 --> 01:03:06,400 weird Cream of Wheat mock, tapioca mock. 1110 01:03:06,408 --> 01:03:08,870 Tapioca, No way, we're not Christine's. 1111 01:03:08,878 --> 01:03:12,280 They were Janelle's. So having breakfast, blah blah 1112 01:03:12,288 --> 01:03:14,600 blah blah blah. And Nicole joined Kody, Janelle 1113 01:03:14,600 --> 01:03:18,460 and some of the kids for this lovely breakfast for this brunch 1114 01:03:18,460 --> 01:03:21,190 around that table. Janelle talks about going from 1115 01:03:21,198 --> 01:03:23,812 place to place, place in the Lehigh home to borrow kitchen 1116 01:03:23,820 --> 01:03:26,944 stuff, which I thought was an interesting example because I'm 1117 01:03:26,944 --> 01:03:29,143 going, did Janelle ever make breakfast? 1118 01:03:29,151 --> 01:03:31,390 I mean, she might have made these pancakes. 1119 01:03:31,398 --> 01:03:36,349 Might be more likely that even Hunter made them, but maybe Kody 1120 01:03:36,349 --> 01:03:37,160 did. Who knows? 1121 01:03:37,168 --> 01:03:40,332 Maybe they put Nicole to work. They were like Nicole. 1122 01:03:40,340 --> 01:03:43,382 Guests make breakfast. Yes, we would flit from kitchen 1123 01:03:43,382 --> 01:03:45,464 to kitchen to get what we needed. 1124 01:03:45,472 --> 01:03:49,304 This mother sharing everything except for the kitchen. 1125 01:03:49,312 --> 01:03:50,814 But. Like snow borrow. 1126 01:03:50,822 --> 01:03:54,666 Things from the kitchen We all know that Janelle was abused by 1127 01:03:54,666 --> 01:03:58,281 Meri in the kitchen so. I know, that's why I'm like, OK. 1128 01:03:58,281 --> 01:04:00,640 Yeah, hot off of the presses of 1129 01:04:00,640 --> 01:04:02,720 finding out that Meri beat the shit out of Janelle in the 1130 01:04:02,720 --> 01:04:04,760 kitchen. Janelle's like, I would just 1131 01:04:04,760 --> 01:04:08,040 walk over to Meri's and grab things like, yeah, no wonder 1132 01:04:08,040 --> 01:04:09,880 Meri beat the shit out of you. Just kidding. 1133 01:04:10,120 --> 01:04:13,840 No wonder Meri was a little harsh with you, but whatever. 1134 01:04:14,080 --> 01:04:18,760 Now, I didn't know that it felt like the dinner the previous 1135 01:04:18,760 --> 01:04:20,120 day. They were laying it on a little 1136 01:04:20,120 --> 01:04:23,080 thick. Kody was going over to each wife 1137 01:04:23,080 --> 01:04:26,108 and making sure to give them the proper attention and it was 1138 01:04:26,108 --> 01:04:29,462 very obvious to me and it felt like they were putting on a 1139 01:04:29,462 --> 01:04:32,340 show. Now we've got Janelle pretending 1140 01:04:32,340 --> 01:04:34,976 that the kitchen situation was bliss. 1141 01:04:34,984 --> 01:04:37,576 They were just swapping spatulas. 1142 01:04:37,584 --> 01:04:42,104 Yeah, just swapping their spatulas, swapping cups of 1143 01:04:42,112 --> 01:04:46,312 sugar, acting like Snow White. Meanwhile, the episode before, 1144 01:04:46,320 --> 01:04:49,720 Meri was literally in tears and Janelle was furious, staring off 1145 01:04:49,720 --> 01:04:51,840 into space about the kitchen. So. 1146 01:04:51,848 --> 01:04:54,562 OK, sounds good. You know, there is an overall, 1147 01:04:54,570 --> 01:04:57,880 like, the Browns are putting on a bit of a, like, everything's 1148 01:04:57,888 --> 01:05:00,080 great here. Yeah, you know, somewhere that's 1149 01:05:00,080 --> 01:05:02,917 green, like they're white picket fences and our yard's 1150 01:05:02,917 --> 01:05:06,006 great and Kody's a great dad and everything's fine. 1151 01:05:06,014 --> 01:05:11,368 I just keep picturing them trying to be like Disney movie 1152 01:05:11,376 --> 01:05:14,172 with birds flitting around chirping on their. 1153 01:05:14,180 --> 01:05:15,954 Shoulders, there's no white. Is that what you said? 1154 01:05:15,962 --> 01:05:17,614 Yeah. That's what I'm imagining like 1155 01:05:17,622 --> 01:05:20,340 the. Leaning out the window. 1156 01:05:20,348 --> 01:05:23,380 Beautiful morning at Janelle's house. 1157 01:05:23,388 --> 01:05:30,195 With the broom. Just like the three wives going 1158 01:05:30,195 --> 01:05:35,265 back and forth between the kitchen singing that. 1159 01:05:35,273 --> 01:05:37,709 Song God, I love that. That's what I imagine. 1160 01:05:37,717 --> 01:05:39,908 That's so good. Especially Janelle. 1161 01:05:39,916 --> 01:05:43,365 Like right girl, right? But you have to imagine them all 1162 01:05:43,365 --> 01:05:45,680 in like this little pageboy black wig while they're doing 1163 01:05:45,688 --> 01:05:47,780 it. And then Robyn's over somewhere, 1164 01:05:47,780 --> 01:05:49,280 like lurking around the corner. 1165 01:05:49,280 --> 01:05:53,480 Oh my God, like the hunter? No, Yes, straight up. 1166 01:05:53,600 --> 01:05:56,030 Coming to cut their hearts out. 1167 01:05:56,038 --> 01:05:58,934 Oh, Jesus. Nicole tells us that her moms 1168 01:05:58,942 --> 01:06:03,915 never got along. Now this is so crazy, so crazy. 1169 01:06:03,915 --> 01:06:04,440 Shocking. 1170 01:06:04,440 --> 01:06:06,640 She's asked, well how many moms did you have? 1171 01:06:06,680 --> 01:06:11,880 And she said 2727 and I was like, did she just say 27? 1172 01:06:11,920 --> 01:06:14,320 And. None of them got along. 1173 01:06:14,640 --> 01:06:20,120 None of them got along and I went JFC, which is short for 1174 01:06:20,240 --> 01:06:24,960 Jesus fucking Christ, what in the world 27 moms? 1175 01:06:25,120 --> 01:06:27,059 But then she says a real banger. 1176 01:06:27,067 --> 01:06:29,212 What was that banger, honey? Oh my God. 1177 01:06:29,220 --> 01:06:33,262 It was a banger. She says that they basically are 1178 01:06:33,262 --> 01:06:38,200 all a bunch of control freaks. And when you get them together 1179 01:06:38,208 --> 01:06:40,326 in a situation like that, it's like prostitution. 1180 01:06:40,334 --> 01:06:44,582 And all of the moms were having a fight for the attention of the 1181 01:06:44,582 --> 01:06:46,440 man all the time of the husband. 1182 01:06:46,440 --> 01:06:49,960 And so they're pitted against each other and it's like 1183 01:06:50,440 --> 01:06:53,560 prostitution. They're being prostituted out to 1184 01:06:53,560 --> 01:06:54,800 get the attention of their husband. 1185 01:06:55,360 --> 01:07:00,920 And I have to agree because all of the girls are worth so much 1186 01:07:00,960 --> 01:07:06,440 in the FLDS and they're selling them off to the highest bidder. 1187 01:07:06,840 --> 01:07:09,240 How can we get closest to Warren Jeffs? 1188 01:07:09,240 --> 01:07:12,760 Which one of our daughters is going to catch his eye and get 1189 01:07:12,760 --> 01:07:17,520 us in favor with him? And you better keep sweet or 1190 01:07:17,520 --> 01:07:19,680 we're going to kick you out because we can't fall out of 1191 01:07:19,680 --> 01:07:22,360 favor with the Prophet. Who's in prison? 1192 01:07:22,400 --> 01:07:24,680 Yeah. And to add on to what Nicole 1193 01:07:24,680 --> 01:07:27,920 said at the beginning of her quote, I think it's just control 1194 01:07:27,920 --> 01:07:32,120 freaks trying to get power. So like the power element is 1195 01:07:32,120 --> 01:07:34,960 what you're talking about. And then this whole prostitution 1196 01:07:34,960 --> 01:07:39,360 call in totally makes sense. It's just like so bizarre to 1197 01:07:39,360 --> 01:07:43,120 hear someone talking about that with their mother mothers, but 1198 01:07:43,120 --> 01:07:45,920 there's 27 of them. So I'm wondering in my mind 1199 01:07:45,920 --> 01:07:49,040 going, how many children was Nicole surrounded by on a 1200 01:07:49,040 --> 01:07:52,040 constant basis? I'm wondering what their setup 1201 01:07:52,040 --> 01:07:54,840 was, right? Like to have 27 mothers. 1202 01:07:55,360 --> 01:07:58,160 I mean, if they were an individual homes, you would 1203 01:07:58,160 --> 01:07:59,800 never even see all of their homes. 1204 01:07:59,800 --> 01:08:03,920 I mean, it's so weird to think what this family structure would 1205 01:08:03,920 --> 01:08:06,640 have been. There really probably would not 1206 01:08:06,640 --> 01:08:09,600 be 1 and it would just be whoever the man felt like giving 1207 01:08:09,600 --> 01:08:13,120 attention to at the time and the other fighting for his 1208 01:08:13,120 --> 01:08:17,960 attention. And she says that she felt like 1209 01:08:17,960 --> 01:08:21,120 she didn't ever have a mother because it was not about the 1210 01:08:21,120 --> 01:08:25,680 kids, it was about him. It was about the father and 1211 01:08:25,680 --> 01:08:31,520 getting his attention. And she had 27 moms but never 1212 01:08:31,520 --> 01:08:35,399 had a mom. That would be so crazy. 27 moms 1213 01:08:35,920 --> 01:08:37,760 and to never feel like you had anyone's attention. 1214 01:08:38,160 --> 01:08:40,080 It's really a sad and awful. Because when you think about a 1215 01:08:40,080 --> 01:08:42,840 27 moms and then the way that these people reproduce, I mean, 1216 01:08:42,840 --> 01:08:47,080 we're talking about like a town, like a literal community, a 1217 01:08:47,080 --> 01:08:51,220 village, not just an expression, but like a literal 1218 01:08:51,220 --> 01:08:53,566 municipality. Fucking insane. 1219 01:08:53,573 --> 01:08:57,402 And how do you deprogram all of those people and be like, your 1220 01:08:57,410 --> 01:09:00,783 way of life is wrong when they're raised in that? 1221 01:09:00,792 --> 01:09:05,899 And that's when you get these deadpan staring, you know, men 1222 01:09:05,907 --> 01:09:11,156 that are boys that are kicked out because they're, there 1223 01:09:11,163 --> 01:09:15,899 aren't women for them, right? And they get kicked out to the 1224 01:09:15,908 --> 01:09:17,340 streets and they're literally lost. 1225 01:09:17,348 --> 01:09:20,520 The Lost Boys. And the really sad thing about 1226 01:09:20,528 --> 01:09:24,183 that is too, that nobody wants them around because they treat 1227 01:09:24,191 --> 01:09:25,977 women like absolute fucking garbage. 1228 01:09:25,984 --> 01:09:30,424 And even their moms that flee, they when they take their sons 1229 01:09:30,432 --> 01:09:32,307 with them, the sons become abusers. 1230 01:09:32,314 --> 01:09:37,109 And it's because that's what they saw and that's what they 1231 01:09:37,118 --> 01:09:40,676 were taught. And I think that the men and the 1232 01:09:40,676 --> 01:09:43,772 little boys and the teenage boys are often forgotten about 1233 01:09:43,772 --> 01:09:46,904 in all of this because you're thinking about, like, the 1234 01:09:46,904 --> 01:09:51,055 molestation and rape of these girls when, you know, there is 1235 01:09:51,055 --> 01:09:55,191 this other horrible dark side of it that now you're bringing 1236 01:09:55,191 --> 01:09:59,376 all of these, like, boys out onto the street that were taught 1237 01:09:59,376 --> 01:10:04,980 that women are not equal to them and they're, quite frankly 1238 01:10:04,980 --> 01:10:07,045 dangerous. But they're also needing 1239 01:10:07,053 --> 01:10:09,412 guidance and needing to be deprogrammed. 1240 01:10:09,420 --> 01:10:14,640 And like, this is this whole other dark side of it, right? 1241 01:10:14,648 --> 01:10:18,703 It's really fucking weird. Yeah, that's such a odd two side 1242 01:10:18,703 --> 01:10:22,495 of a coin thing to be like, these people need help and they 1243 01:10:22,495 --> 01:10:25,805 do need the deprogramming, but also that they are going to 1244 01:10:25,813 --> 01:10:28,944 default to being terrible to women because of their 1245 01:10:28,952 --> 01:10:31,119 upbringing. It's like, Oh my God, like, how 1246 01:10:31,119 --> 01:10:34,355 do you help these people? Well, and then the moms are 1247 01:10:34,363 --> 01:10:37,028 taught that you know, they're less than men. 1248 01:10:37,036 --> 01:10:41,230 So then they escape and they've got their boys with them. 1249 01:10:41,238 --> 01:10:46,574 And I read a story where the mom had two teenage boys and they 1250 01:10:46,582 --> 01:10:50,521 were abusing her. And the person that got her out 1251 01:10:50,521 --> 01:10:54,562 of the FLDS was like, you have to report them to the police. 1252 01:10:54,570 --> 01:10:57,650 They are not going to learn unless they sit in jail. 1253 01:10:57,658 --> 01:11:01,463 And they have to learn that they can't treat women like this out 1254 01:11:01,463 --> 01:11:04,508 here. And it was really hard for the 1255 01:11:04,516 --> 01:11:07,428 mom to do that. I can't imagine. 1256 01:11:07,436 --> 01:11:12,636 It's just so backwards, like all the way around, yeah. 1257 01:11:12,644 --> 01:11:15,600 Well, on a brighter note. Anyway. 1258 01:11:15,608 --> 01:11:19,010 Kody Kody. Kody tells us that it gets hot 1259 01:11:19,018 --> 01:11:22,416 in Vegas in the summer. You know that Kody is so bright. 1260 01:11:22,416 --> 01:11:24,760 I just always think of him as an 1261 01:11:24,760 --> 01:11:26,400 inspiration and a thought leader. 1262 01:11:27,160 --> 01:11:30,960 Yeah, he's like the sun in Teletubbies just coming up in 1263 01:11:30,960 --> 01:11:36,640 the morning. Guess what guys? 1264 01:11:36,640 --> 01:11:39,120 It gets hot here in the desert in the summer, so we're going to 1265 01:11:39,120 --> 01:11:43,400 go to Mount Charleston to escape the biggest summer heat. 1266 01:11:44,080 --> 01:11:46,440 Now, what's funny is I guess we're all supposed to surmise 1267 01:11:46,440 --> 01:11:51,160 from this that Mount Charleston is up in the sky and shaded and 1268 01:11:51,160 --> 01:11:53,720 there must be trees and it's. 20 miles up the mountain or. 1269 01:11:53,720 --> 01:11:54,600 Something. Yeah, he says. 1270 01:11:55,600 --> 01:11:56,560 Oh, he did actually tell us. I. 1271 01:11:56,680 --> 01:11:58,000 Think he did. Oh, thank you. 1272 01:11:58,000 --> 01:11:59,920 Yeah. And that it's cooler there up in 1273 01:11:59,920 --> 01:12:02,520 the mountains. But first we have to tour all 1274 01:12:02,520 --> 01:12:03,400 the. Homes. 1275 01:12:03,560 --> 01:12:05,480 Oh yes, we got to bring these. Mamas. 1276 01:12:05,480 --> 01:12:08,360 These four visiting young adults and let them see that we live 1277 01:12:08,360 --> 01:12:11,760 in four different houses, once again paralleled with the laying 1278 01:12:11,760 --> 01:12:14,240 it in on thick. We're not all in a compound. 1279 01:12:14,400 --> 01:12:17,360 We're in four different houses, which it's like you're also 1280 01:12:17,360 --> 01:12:19,680 saying that you don't like, but you're going to use to 1281 01:12:19,680 --> 01:12:21,960 demonstrate that you're not so crazy. 1282 01:12:22,560 --> 01:12:24,480 All right, Kody. It's a little weird because they 1283 01:12:24,480 --> 01:12:28,720 talk about how the moms are so separate in the FLDS and then 1284 01:12:29,040 --> 01:12:30,320 they're like, well, we're not like that. 1285 01:12:30,320 --> 01:12:32,600 We all love each other and we're on big happy family. 1286 01:12:32,840 --> 01:12:34,298 Oh, but we live so differently. 1287 01:12:34,306 --> 01:12:36,590 Let us let us show you our four homes. 1288 01:12:36,598 --> 01:12:40,087 I don't know. Yeah, the logic isn't logicing. 1289 01:12:40,087 --> 01:12:40,560 Agreed. 1290 01:12:40,560 --> 01:12:42,960 Agreed. They start at Christine's house, 1291 01:12:42,960 --> 01:12:45,523 which is funny because we go on this tour, we don't even need 1292 01:12:45,523 --> 01:12:47,400 to get to go to all four of the houses. 1293 01:12:47,400 --> 01:12:49,240 So they're teeing up that they're going to do this with 1294 01:12:49,240 --> 01:12:50,720 them. I think we only see two of their 1295 01:12:50,720 --> 01:12:54,200 houses. Classic for this fucking show. 1296 01:12:54,680 --> 01:12:58,280 So Christine's house they start and the 1st place we get to see 1297 01:12:58,280 --> 01:13:01,720 is whose bedroom darling? Who do we get to see their 1298 01:13:01,720 --> 01:13:07,520 bedroom? Mikkelty God. 1299 01:13:08,560 --> 01:13:10,840 Mckelty. This room. 1300 01:13:10,840 --> 01:13:13,280 Oh, that hurt my throat. And that's such a great way to 1301 01:13:13,280 --> 01:13:15,280 say Mckelty. God, this room. 1302 01:13:15,440 --> 01:13:18,440 If only again, I was thinking, couldn't Mckelty get any worse? 1303 01:13:18,440 --> 01:13:22,160 And we've only begun our journey with Mckelty. 1304 01:13:22,160 --> 01:13:24,280 This is what's so great. We're in Season 5. 1305 01:13:24,280 --> 01:13:27,880 We've only gotten a little taste, a little touch of 1306 01:13:28,000 --> 01:13:31,720 Mckelty. It looks like a hoarder's house 1307 01:13:31,880 --> 01:13:35,360 where she should be wearing a tinfoil hat and sitting in a 1308 01:13:35,360 --> 01:13:38,160 chair with a cat rocking back and forth. 1309 01:13:39,800 --> 01:13:44,120 But also organized horde because it's really like it's just the 1310 01:13:44,120 --> 01:13:46,080 walls every square inch. Of the wall. 1311 01:13:46,080 --> 01:13:48,635 I'm sure she would call it art. 1312 01:13:48,643 --> 01:13:50,930 Yes. The walls are covered in paper, 1313 01:13:50,930 --> 01:13:52,440 you guys. Design, design. 1314 01:13:52,448 --> 01:13:55,640 She's a designer. Remember, she's a world renowned 1315 01:13:55,640 --> 01:14:00,136 fashion designer in the making, so she's designed this 1316 01:14:00,136 --> 01:14:06,315 room to really express who she is within an inch of its life. 1317 01:14:06,323 --> 01:14:09,420 She has designed this room every nook and cranny. 1318 01:14:09,428 --> 01:14:12,822 Claustrophobia is all I would feel if I was in that room. 1319 01:14:12,830 --> 01:14:15,960 Literally there's not a space to look at that wasn't covered in 1320 01:14:15,968 --> 01:14:20,040 something. Imagine sticky notes covering 4 1321 01:14:20,040 --> 01:14:26,138 walls with doodles than Robyn's doodles of jewelry, but not by 1322 01:14:26,146 --> 01:14:29,414 much. And then on top of all of this, 1323 01:14:29,414 --> 01:14:31,920 there's a heart made out of paper. 1324 01:14:31,928 --> 01:14:35,440 Yes, and it's gorgeous. And Kody just thinks it's the 1325 01:14:35,448 --> 01:14:37,272 best, most creative thing he's ever seen. 1326 01:14:37,280 --> 01:14:40,880 He loves it and I feel like the heart might have also 1327 01:14:40,888 --> 01:14:42,380 incorporated pictures of their family. 1328 01:14:42,388 --> 01:14:46,614 Inside of the heart, yes. Paper on top of paper on top of 1329 01:14:46,614 --> 01:14:48,072 paper. A lot of paper. 1330 01:14:48,080 --> 01:14:49,812 I like that you called them doodles. 1331 01:14:49,820 --> 01:14:53,336 I was going to call them Sketches Honey because she is a 1332 01:14:53,336 --> 01:14:55,268 world renowned fashion designer in the making. 1333 01:14:55,276 --> 01:14:58,401 All I have to say is please don't ever light a candle in 1334 01:14:58,409 --> 01:15:01,555 your room, Mckelty. Nothing flammable in that room. 1335 01:15:01,555 --> 01:15:02,240 Holy Moses. 1336 01:15:02,360 --> 01:15:04,480 Every square inch of that wall was covered in something. 1337 01:15:04,840 --> 01:15:08,320 It was a lot, but when I say this, what's funny is that she 1338 01:15:08,320 --> 01:15:11,520 really did attempt to try to have it be like a design. 1339 01:15:11,640 --> 01:15:14,640 Like there was a Mckelty method to the madness. 1340 01:15:14,920 --> 01:15:16,767 It wasn't just like she threw a bunch of shit everywhere she 1341 01:15:16,767 --> 01:15:19,280 was trying. It's like what the inside of my 1342 01:15:19,360 --> 01:15:23,600 ADD brain probably wants to look like or does look like. 1343 01:15:24,080 --> 01:15:28,120 I don't know. We've got a special insight now 1344 01:15:28,120 --> 01:15:30,557 when you're like Chris, my ADD's kicked in, I'm going to go, 1345 01:15:30,557 --> 01:15:33,000 oh, I know what's happening. It's and imagine flashing 1346 01:15:33,000 --> 01:15:35,680 through all of those pieces of paper and I'm trying to find one 1347 01:15:35,680 --> 01:15:37,480 in my mind. You're like, I have the perfect 1348 01:15:37,480 --> 01:15:38,880 sketch over here and I'm like, Oh my. 1349 01:15:38,920 --> 01:15:41,120 God, the idea on the tip of my tongue. 1350 01:15:41,280 --> 01:15:43,200 Is it the high or low On which wall? 1351 01:15:43,200 --> 01:15:44,960 Was it near a window? Is it in the heart? 1352 01:15:44,960 --> 01:15:47,640 Oh my God, A lot happening in Mckelty's room. 1353 01:15:47,640 --> 01:15:49,137 But you know, she's a creative. 1354 01:15:49,145 --> 01:15:51,600 You got to give it to her. She is. 1355 01:15:51,608 --> 01:15:53,300 There's something about that girl. 1356 01:15:53,308 --> 01:15:57,216 She's fucking nuts. And then the only other home we 1357 01:15:57,216 --> 01:16:01,332 get to see on our tour of four homes is Meri's home, and it's 1358 01:16:01,340 --> 01:16:05,170 not very much, Kody says. He has four pairs of running 1359 01:16:05,178 --> 01:16:07,364 shoes, one in each house, because you know, some of these 1360 01:16:07,364 --> 01:16:09,984 things he's got to have four of because you know he's running 1361 01:16:09,992 --> 01:16:12,200 every morning. He's an athlete, star athlete, 1362 01:16:12,208 --> 01:16:13,565 same pair. Too. 1363 01:16:13,573 --> 01:16:17,995 Got to have the same pair of four running shoes in each house 1364 01:16:17,995 --> 01:16:20,520 and then that was that. That's all we got at Meri's 1365 01:16:20,528 --> 01:16:22,928 house. At one of the houses, I don't 1366 01:16:22,936 --> 01:16:27,280 know whose, he points out his favorite photo, and guess what 1367 01:16:27,288 --> 01:16:30,892 it is? And he doesn't even say, oh, 1368 01:16:30,900 --> 01:16:33,840 this is my favorite photo. It's a family photo. 1369 01:16:33,848 --> 01:16:35,824 He goes, this is my favorite photo. 1370 01:16:35,832 --> 01:16:38,107 It's at Robyn's wedding reception. 1371 01:16:38,115 --> 01:16:41,623 Yeah, yeah. It's a photo of Robyn's wedding 1372 01:16:41,623 --> 01:16:44,362 reception. Tell us how you really feel 1373 01:16:44,370 --> 01:16:47,840 about the family. Well, it's when their family 1374 01:16:47,848 --> 01:16:51,707 became whole, honey, and that's HOLE, not WHOLE. 1375 01:16:51,715 --> 01:16:57,480 But the fact that he describes the photo as Robyn's wedding 1376 01:16:57,488 --> 01:17:01,884 reception is the weirdest way to describe that photo. 1377 01:17:01,892 --> 01:17:05,195 Not like, oh, this is a family photo. 1378 01:17:05,203 --> 01:17:08,088 This is the first family photo we all took together. 1379 01:17:08,096 --> 01:17:11,565 And that's why I love it. When the gaping hole joined the 1380 01:17:11,565 --> 01:17:14,250 family instead, it was Robyn's wedding reception. 1381 01:17:14,258 --> 01:17:20,139 And it's a gaping hole, and it's not a round hole, it's a square 1382 01:17:20,139 --> 01:17:24,174 one, because their jaw hit the ground on its way down. 1383 01:17:24,182 --> 01:17:25,187 Giggity. Giggity. 1384 01:17:25,195 --> 01:17:29,480 Quagmire's face, but it's Robyn. Oh, it's crime against humanity. 1385 01:17:29,480 --> 01:17:31,400 Don't worry, we're going to hate 1386 01:17:31,400 --> 01:17:33,600 more on Robyn coming up. Don't worry, we're it's not like 1387 01:17:33,600 --> 01:17:35,560 Robyn's getting away with nothing on this episode. 1388 01:17:35,560 --> 01:17:36,880 She's not getting away with anything. 1389 01:17:37,480 --> 01:17:39,440 Now everyone's getting ready to hit the road. 1390 01:17:39,440 --> 01:17:40,800 They're all going to hit the road. 1391 01:17:40,800 --> 01:17:42,179 And of course they have to play. 1392 01:17:42,187 --> 01:17:43,890 They're like, Oh my goodness, chaotic music. 1393 01:17:43,898 --> 01:17:46,427 Oh, we're getting in the cars. Kody. 1394 01:17:46,435 --> 01:17:49,792 I got a scene over here and I'm like, of course he's in the 1395 01:17:49,800 --> 01:17:52,068 fucking copper convertible, the Meri Kay convertible. 1396 01:17:52,076 --> 01:17:55,494 At some point, they do talk about jealousy. 1397 01:17:55,502 --> 01:18:00,140 Suzanne talks about jealousy with, I think it's Janelle a 1398 01:18:00,148 --> 01:18:03,416 little bit before they're, like, getting in the cars. 1399 01:18:03,424 --> 01:18:08,234 And Janelle admits to, you know, situations where there could be 1400 01:18:08,234 --> 01:18:12,048 jealousy. And then Suzanne, in a clip of 1401 01:18:12,056 --> 01:18:16,660 her own, says that the jealousy just shows that they aren't 1402 01:18:16,668 --> 01:18:19,120 perfect and that neither is polygamy. 1403 01:18:19,128 --> 01:18:21,504 Right. And I was. 1404 01:18:21,512 --> 01:18:26,172 I felt like that comment was odd because jealousy exists in many. 1405 01:18:26,172 --> 01:18:27,120 Every relationship. 1406 01:18:27,320 --> 01:18:29,640 Right now, Right. So just because they're saying 1407 01:18:29,640 --> 01:18:31,774 polygamy isn't evil doesn't mean they're saying they're 1408 01:18:31,774 --> 01:18:32,289 perfect. Yeah. 1409 01:18:32,297 --> 01:18:34,743 So once again, a little bit of a disconnect therefore. 1410 01:18:34,751 --> 01:18:37,214 Looking for a chink in the armor I believe. 1411 01:18:37,222 --> 01:18:40,750 Oh yes, yes, absolutely. So everyone's getting ready to 1412 01:18:40,758 --> 01:18:43,480 hit the road, and then they arrive at Mount Rushmore or 1413 01:18:43,488 --> 01:18:45,980 wherever the fuck they are outside of Las Vegas where 1414 01:18:45,988 --> 01:18:48,548 they're cooling down in the summer, which is great. 1415 01:18:48,556 --> 01:18:50,424 Mount Charleston. Mount Charleston. 1416 01:18:50,432 --> 01:18:54,295 And Christine says it doesn't seem like Kolleen was having a 1417 01:18:54,303 --> 01:18:57,955 good time at the picnic. So footage. 1418 01:18:57,963 --> 01:19:00,926 And Kolleen is literally like giving daggers. 1419 01:19:00,934 --> 01:19:04,650 Like she's just looking like someone say something to me. 1420 01:19:04,658 --> 01:19:07,212 I dare you. Is someone going to talk to me 1421 01:19:07,220 --> 01:19:09,720 in my hair? Which one of you shit in my 1422 01:19:09,728 --> 01:19:12,934 Cheerios this morning? How come I wasn't invited to the 1423 01:19:12,934 --> 01:19:15,574 pancake breakfast? I'd eat breakfast at Meri's 1424 01:19:15,582 --> 01:19:17,823 house. Well, that wouldn't be a bad 1425 01:19:17,831 --> 01:19:18,900 breakfast. Robyn's. 1426 01:19:18,908 --> 01:19:20,742 What? If she had breakfast at Robyn's? 1427 01:19:20,742 --> 01:19:22,280 She'd be like, here's your pop 1428 01:19:22,280 --> 01:19:24,480 tart and I can't even put it in a toaster for you. 1429 01:19:26,880 --> 01:19:28,320 I made these eggs in the microwave. 1430 01:19:28,320 --> 01:19:30,000 I hope you like them, they're a little runny. 1431 01:19:30,440 --> 01:19:33,000 I hope you like over microwaved eggs. 1432 01:19:33,000 --> 01:19:34,800 You got to eat it with a knife and a fork. 1433 01:19:34,840 --> 01:19:37,720 Like, Oh my God, Rob, like beef jerky. 1434 01:19:37,800 --> 01:19:40,200 Yes, it's like beef jerky. Throws the whole egg. 1435 01:19:40,520 --> 01:19:43,520 She's sitting there like, who's going to come at me? 1436 01:19:43,520 --> 01:19:47,160 Who's going to talk to me? And you know, Kody, he's got to 1437 01:19:47,360 --> 01:19:50,080 show up like the man he is and try to break into that egg 1438 01:19:50,080 --> 01:19:53,440 shell, try to RIP open the crust of that egg. 1439 01:19:54,360 --> 01:19:57,880 He's got to shoulder this responsibility of all these baby 1440 01:19:57,880 --> 01:19:59,120 chicks. This is it. 1441 01:19:59,120 --> 01:20:02,640 He feels it. He feels it is his destiny, his 1442 01:20:02,640 --> 01:20:06,200 destiny. And so he starts to try to crack 1443 01:20:06,200 --> 01:20:08,680 that shell, that hard shell around Kolleen. 1444 01:20:09,320 --> 01:20:13,040 And she responds in kind by saying, would you say being a 1445 01:20:13,040 --> 01:20:15,000 good father is one of your ultimate goals? 1446 01:20:15,280 --> 01:20:17,440 Because she's trying to, you know, kind of yeah, yeah. 1447 01:20:17,440 --> 01:20:19,880 I see what you're doing here. And I'm going to give you a 1448 01:20:19,880 --> 01:20:21,400 hardball. I'm going to throw you this 1449 01:20:21,400 --> 01:20:24,120 curveball. And he goes, yes, yes, from the 1450 01:20:24,120 --> 01:20:26,830 very beginning, that's my thing. 1451 01:20:26,838 --> 01:20:32,960 And I went having an aneurysm because flashing to the future, 1452 01:20:32,960 --> 01:20:37,624 he is A1 of America's most notorious reality TV. 1453 01:20:37,632 --> 01:20:43,334 Horrible fathers, a huge reputation for being a bad dad, 1454 01:20:43,334 --> 01:20:47,104 Ignoring, neglecting and straight up shunning his 1455 01:20:47,112 --> 01:20:50,250 children, requiring apologies for things that don't require 1456 01:20:50,258 --> 01:20:54,450 apologies, and an ass hat who is not spoken to by many of his 1457 01:20:54,458 --> 01:20:57,374 children. So for him to say that from the 1458 01:20:57,374 --> 01:21:00,944 very beginning, it was one of his ultimate goals to be a good. 1459 01:21:00,944 --> 01:21:01,880 This is rich. 1460 01:21:01,880 --> 01:21:05,120 Is insane. He also says that he would never 1461 01:21:05,120 --> 01:21:08,160 kick anyone out of his family and if anyone would get kicked 1462 01:21:08,160 --> 01:21:09,800 out of the family it would probably be him. 1463 01:21:09,800 --> 01:21:11,760 Right. OK. 1464 01:21:11,760 --> 01:21:15,200 This is so season 5 Kody. This is so not season 15 or 1465 01:21:15,200 --> 01:21:17,560 season 20 Kody. Because he's saying here, like 1466 01:21:17,560 --> 01:21:21,080 he's talking about the shunning and whatever, and he's like, I 1467 01:21:21,080 --> 01:21:25,200 could never do that to anyone in my family, right? 1468 01:21:25,400 --> 01:21:29,160 Any of my children. And then Kolleen is telling Kody 1469 01:21:29,160 --> 01:21:31,440 she just doesn't think that it's fair. 1470 01:21:31,520 --> 01:21:37,040 Like, it's not fair to the kids to have this many wives and 1471 01:21:37,040 --> 01:21:40,080 like, have this many kids. And I just find that interesting 1472 01:21:40,080 --> 01:21:42,320 because she makes that comment that she doesn't think it's 1473 01:21:42,320 --> 01:21:43,960 fair. And then that's when she goes, 1474 01:21:43,960 --> 01:21:47,080 like, do you want to be a good father? 1475 01:21:47,280 --> 01:21:50,120 Right. And it's just like she knits, 1476 01:21:50,360 --> 01:21:53,880 she knits, she knits that together, she hits the nail on 1477 01:21:53,880 --> 01:21:57,760 the head with it without even realizing, like. 1478 01:21:58,040 --> 01:22:00,680 It's it feels like it's low impact, but it's not. 1479 01:22:00,680 --> 01:22:03,480 Yeah, the beginning of that question where she says that 1480 01:22:03,480 --> 01:22:05,600 she's like, I don't think that this is fair. 1481 01:22:05,640 --> 01:22:10,760 Like to AKA the wives and kids, whatever. 1482 01:22:11,240 --> 01:22:15,160 What she's basically getting back to here is the fact that 1483 01:22:15,160 --> 01:22:17,120 there's not enough dad to go around. 1484 01:22:17,120 --> 01:22:19,720 And she doesn't, you know, browbeat him after his response 1485 01:22:19,720 --> 01:22:21,120 or anything. She's not trying to, like, 1486 01:22:21,120 --> 01:22:24,120 really tear him down. She's been a little smart alecky 1487 01:22:24,120 --> 01:22:28,520 about her approach, but fitting, especially given his derpy 1488 01:22:28,520 --> 01:22:31,480 Disney optimistic response, which is not the truth. 1489 01:22:31,520 --> 01:22:34,040 It's just his TV persona for now. 1490 01:22:34,600 --> 01:22:35,960 Right. Fucking asshole. 1491 01:22:37,000 --> 01:22:40,640 We realize that Aspen and Maddie have been missing for a while. 1492 01:22:41,080 --> 01:22:42,960 Where did Maddie go? Where did Aspen go? 1493 01:22:44,120 --> 01:22:46,430 Yeah, they've been missing for a little bit and getting a 1494 01:22:46,430 --> 01:22:49,586 little worried here, and I noticed that they've gone off 1495 01:22:49,586 --> 01:22:50,554 with Suzanne. Oh. 1496 01:22:50,562 --> 01:22:53,160 God, where did they go? Where, where, Where? 1497 01:22:53,168 --> 01:22:54,096 Have my daughter's? Gone. 1498 01:22:54,104 --> 01:22:55,310 I'm wondering what they're doing. 1499 01:22:55,318 --> 01:22:58,136 Oh, look here. They return over the Crest at 1500 01:22:58,144 --> 01:23:01,020 Mount Rushmore and they're coming down the hill. 1501 01:23:01,028 --> 01:23:03,532 Look at that, George Washington's wives. 1502 01:23:03,540 --> 01:23:08,106 They've they've gone back in time and they've returned to 1503 01:23:08,114 --> 01:23:13,236 current day in their FLDS garb, their Prairie dresses. 1504 01:23:13,244 --> 01:23:17,560 With the bouffant hair. They've got the bouffant hair, 1505 01:23:17,568 --> 01:23:18,640 Maddie. I was going to. 1506 01:23:18,648 --> 01:23:20,702 I was wondering if she wiped away that makeup that she slept 1507 01:23:20,702 --> 01:23:22,120 in for five days as you referenced. 1508 01:23:22,128 --> 01:23:26,304 And I don't know, it seemed like she still had some makeup on. 1509 01:23:26,312 --> 01:23:28,944 But yeah, they're wearing the Prairie dresses and they're 1510 01:23:28,952 --> 01:23:31,920 wearing the hair, and they look straight out of A Little House 1511 01:23:31,928 --> 01:23:34,709 on the Prairie. Yeah, they come around the 1512 01:23:34,717 --> 01:23:39,080 corner, out of the woods of the deep dark woods. 1513 01:23:39,088 --> 01:23:42,520 Yes. And the family says that it's 1514 01:23:42,528 --> 01:23:46,656 shocking and makes them sad. Yeah, makes them sad to see the 1515 01:23:46,656 --> 01:23:50,440 girls like that. And Suzanne says this is as 1516 01:23:50,448 --> 01:23:56,976 shocking for them as it is for her mom to see her in her like 1517 01:23:56,984 --> 01:24:00,335 new everyday clothes now. Like her contemporary outfit, 1518 01:24:00,343 --> 01:24:03,947 which is very tame and nondescript everyday clothing. 1519 01:24:03,955 --> 01:24:08,215 And that does make sense, you know, to have, like, grown up in 1520 01:24:08,215 --> 01:24:09,777 that. And then, like, if your mom was 1521 01:24:09,777 --> 01:24:12,070 to see you in street clothes today, she'd probably be like, 1522 01:24:12,078 --> 01:24:14,847 oh, my God, my child is, you know, going to hell or 1523 01:24:14,855 --> 01:24:17,120 something. Janelle gets emotional. 1524 01:24:17,128 --> 01:24:20,961 You know, everyone's starting to to feel the feels seeing the 1525 01:24:20,969 --> 01:24:22,596 kids like this. I would freak out. 1526 01:24:22,604 --> 01:24:24,640 Maddie and Aspen like this. I mean, it was. 1527 01:24:24,648 --> 01:24:27,555 I don't say it was jarring. I think it was a little 1528 01:24:27,563 --> 01:24:29,076 insensitive. I if Suzanne hadn't have been 1529 01:24:29,084 --> 01:24:32,774 with them when they did this, I would have been like, this is 1530 01:24:32,782 --> 01:24:35,760 insensitive and awful. Insensitive to who? 1531 01:24:35,768 --> 01:24:39,054 To the FLDS members. To the survivors that are 1532 01:24:39,062 --> 01:24:40,655 escaping. That are there with them OK. 1533 01:24:40,663 --> 01:24:42,800 Like, this is like a joke or something, right? 1534 01:24:42,808 --> 01:24:45,650 Like, oh, it's a costume that we're putting on. 1535 01:24:45,658 --> 01:24:48,671 Yeah. It was a little out of touch 1536 01:24:48,679 --> 01:24:51,476 with reality for me. Like we're talking about people 1537 01:24:51,476 --> 01:24:54,980 that have survived domestic violence, sexual abuse and 1538 01:24:54,988 --> 01:24:59,175 beatings, and we're just going to come around the corner 1539 01:24:59,183 --> 01:25:02,280 dressed like this. It was in bad taste. 1540 01:25:02,288 --> 01:25:04,968 I think it was in bad taste. I can see that. 1541 01:25:04,976 --> 01:25:08,662 And I think the only reason you're right that it wasn't for 1542 01:25:08,662 --> 01:25:12,976 me is because Susan had gone like they were in on it, like it 1543 01:25:12,976 --> 01:25:15,894 was like a. But was she really, or was 1544 01:25:15,902 --> 01:25:19,430 production pushing this? That's where I'm like, I doubt 1545 01:25:19,438 --> 01:25:23,412 that this was Suzanne's idea, but she probably was like, Oh 1546 01:25:23,420 --> 01:25:27,589 yeah I can help with the hair because Bitch knows how to do a 1547 01:25:27,589 --> 01:25:30,588 bouffant after all these years. It's insensitive. 1548 01:25:30,596 --> 01:25:34,710 Like we know it wasn't her idea and if she hadn't have been at 1549 01:25:34,718 --> 01:25:38,242 least with them I would have been like y'all are fucked up. 1550 01:25:38,250 --> 01:25:40,669 Would have been like a shock moment. 1551 01:25:40,677 --> 01:25:43,620 That would have been yeah, yeah, she. 1552 01:25:43,628 --> 01:25:47,620 Would have been like running into the woods herself like. 1553 01:25:47,628 --> 01:25:50,254 Trauma, trauma, trauma. Yeah, you're right. 1554 01:25:50,262 --> 01:25:52,660 OK, I didn't quite connect those dots, but I I see what you're 1555 01:25:52,668 --> 01:25:54,372 saying. Well, and I think that's part of 1556 01:25:54,372 --> 01:25:57,144 the reason that the parents are like, like shocked. 1557 01:25:57,152 --> 01:26:01,680 And it moves Janelle to tears in their confessional moments on 1558 01:26:01,688 --> 01:26:03,560 the couches. Yeah, you're like, Oh, my 1559 01:26:03,568 --> 01:26:06,528 daughter is in like sexual assault attire. 1560 01:26:06,536 --> 01:26:11,076 Sexual assault attire. Janelle gets emotional and 1561 01:26:11,084 --> 01:26:13,960 starts crying because of what these dresses symbolize. 1562 01:26:13,968 --> 01:26:17,560 Yeah, like the stereotypes and all of these things, but not 1563 01:26:17,568 --> 01:26:21,100 only the stereotypes that their family endures, but what these 1564 01:26:21,108 --> 01:26:25,037 literal people endure and what it means and oh. 1565 01:26:25,045 --> 01:26:29,842 God, as much as they want to pretend like on the couch, Kody 1566 01:26:29,842 --> 01:26:33,620 wanted to start off this whole endeavor of them meeting with 1567 01:26:33,628 --> 01:26:36,976 these people and see the bad side of it, but yet not see the 1568 01:26:36,976 --> 01:26:39,086 bad side of it. Because not all polygamists are 1569 01:26:39,086 --> 01:26:42,518 like that. But yet here you are and it's 1570 01:26:42,526 --> 01:26:46,840 like, OK, if you see your daughter dressed like that and 1571 01:26:46,848 --> 01:26:50,875 you have this visceral disgusted reaction by it and immediately 1572 01:26:50,883 --> 01:26:53,726 or like, get that off, take that off. 1573 01:26:53,734 --> 01:26:57,258 Which is the vibe I got. I'm like, well then there you 1574 01:26:57,266 --> 01:26:59,135 go. There you go. 1575 01:26:59,143 --> 01:27:03,315 That's what's wrong with this. 100 Where does this fit in here 1576 01:27:03,315 --> 01:27:07,934 with Meri's reaction being like, listen, this doesn't mean 1577 01:27:07,934 --> 01:27:10,445 the thing. Like it doesn't mean that if 1578 01:27:10,453 --> 01:27:12,621 someone wore the dress that they're a victim. 1579 01:27:12,629 --> 01:27:15,070 It doesn't mean. And it's like, you know, I can 1580 01:27:15,078 --> 01:27:18,097 see why it's coming from Meri because she really is the only 1581 01:27:18,105 --> 01:27:21,122 one that grew up in true old school polygamy, right? 1582 01:27:21,130 --> 01:27:24,910 Like we give Robyn some credit for that or we give her some 1583 01:27:24,918 --> 01:27:28,552 whatever word you want to say, but Meri's really the one that 1584 01:27:28,560 --> 01:27:33,085 grew up in polygamy. And so I think for her to have 1585 01:27:33,093 --> 01:27:36,220 the most the dress doesn't equate to that reaction. 1586 01:27:36,228 --> 01:27:38,642 Kind of makes sense. Yeah, she's like, it's not fair 1587 01:27:38,642 --> 01:27:41,960 to say because they wear the dress, they are all this way, 1588 01:27:41,968 --> 01:27:43,700 right? And it's like, bitch, we're not 1589 01:27:43,700 --> 01:27:46,415 saying the people that wear the dresser all this way. 1590 01:27:46,423 --> 01:27:49,600 That's not the thing here. That's not the issue. 1591 01:27:49,608 --> 01:27:52,140 Oh God. It's the men in power. 1592 01:27:52,148 --> 01:27:54,320 I know what the dress represents. 1593 01:27:54,328 --> 01:27:58,348 It's messy, messy, messy, and production in this entire 1594 01:27:58,356 --> 01:28:01,020 episode really doesn't help us clean up anything. 1595 01:28:01,028 --> 01:28:05,000 And I'm so mad at Puddle Monkey right now because it's like, you 1596 01:28:05,000 --> 01:28:07,216 could have done a lot better with all of this. 1597 01:28:07,224 --> 01:28:08,987 Yeah, we had to decipher the storyline. 1598 01:28:08,995 --> 01:28:12,485 And even just explaining this thing about Meri like they 1599 01:28:12,493 --> 01:28:15,586 didn't even give like that would have been a nice sound bite for 1600 01:28:15,586 --> 01:28:18,795 to have any backup on that. But no, instead she just looks 1601 01:28:18,803 --> 01:28:21,834 nuts. And then we get brought over to 1602 01:28:21,834 --> 01:28:24,840 square jaw nuts face. Who's even crazier, Robyn? 1603 01:28:24,848 --> 01:28:30,080 OK, so all the adults are on the couch and you know, we 1604 01:28:30,088 --> 01:28:32,654 Janelle's, you know, oh God, it's so terrible. 1605 01:28:32,662 --> 01:28:34,280 And Meri's like, is it really terrible? 1606 01:28:34,288 --> 01:28:37,022 We can't assume that. And then Robyn's like, hold on 1607 01:28:37,030 --> 01:28:42,692 guys, I've got to interject with my story and which is where she 1608 01:28:42,692 --> 01:28:46,355 does this performance. I want to hear a positive story 1609 01:28:46,355 --> 01:28:47,878 then. I because Meri's saying, you 1610 01:28:47,886 --> 01:28:49,780 know, like it doesn't mean that it's negative. 1611 01:28:49,788 --> 01:28:52,490 And then for some reason, this triggers Robyn into making it 1612 01:28:52,498 --> 01:28:54,018 all about herself. Oh yeah. 1613 01:28:54,026 --> 01:28:58,666 I want to hear a positive story and I haven't heard one yet. 1614 01:28:58,674 --> 01:29:02,210 Like OK, I was in an abusive relationship. 1615 01:29:02,218 --> 01:29:06,030 I was abused. I was abused. 1616 01:29:06,038 --> 01:29:09,568 People kept giving him the benefit of the doubt. 1617 01:29:09,576 --> 01:29:13,580 You have to give people the room to change. 1618 01:29:13,588 --> 01:29:19,366 But sometimes when you don't see the hard truth, it continues to 1619 01:29:19,366 --> 01:29:23,024 happen. And that's what happened to me. 1620 01:29:23,024 --> 01:29:25,440 It's like, Oh my God. 1621 01:29:25,640 --> 01:29:28,040 It happened to me. It happened to me. 1622 01:29:28,240 --> 01:29:30,600 I know, first of all, I was not doing Robyn's voice at all, but 1623 01:29:31,360 --> 01:29:37,440 the idea that this is somehow OK, I'm trying to let's let's 1624 01:29:37,440 --> 01:29:40,320 try to help her out here. I think she's saying that she 1625 01:29:40,320 --> 01:29:43,240 hasn't heard a positive story about the people in the dresses. 1626 01:29:43,240 --> 01:29:44,720 Like every. Dresses, she says. 1627 01:29:44,720 --> 01:29:47,240 Well, I want to hear a positive story about them then 1628 01:29:47,240 --> 01:29:49,680 referencing the FLDS. Right. 1629 01:29:49,680 --> 01:29:51,720 And she hasn't heard one. Yet, and I haven't heard a good 1630 01:29:51,720 --> 01:29:53,840 story yet. OK, and now that would have 1631 01:29:53,840 --> 01:29:56,515 actually been an OK place to end is be like, listen, you want 1632 01:29:56,515 --> 01:29:58,920 to Meri, you want to talk about how this isn't negative. 1633 01:29:58,920 --> 01:30:02,240 I haven't heard one positive thing but instead she goes down 1634 01:30:02,240 --> 01:30:05,760 this long crazy Rd. Of talking about how she was in 1635 01:30:05,760 --> 01:30:09,240 an abusive relationship and that people gave him the benefit of 1636 01:30:09,240 --> 01:30:12,360 the doubt and that she wasn't given the benefit of the doubt, 1637 01:30:12,520 --> 01:30:15,400 but then for some reason needs to bring in giving people the 1638 01:30:15,400 --> 01:30:18,280 room to change. Yeah, and whether or not they 1639 01:30:18,280 --> 01:30:21,040 are good people or not, this is happening. 1640 01:30:21,080 --> 01:30:23,200 Right. Look, it's just what I just 1641 01:30:23,600 --> 01:30:26,320 following. It was it was as hard as it was 1642 01:30:26,320 --> 01:30:28,600 to follow what just happened here on this podcast. 1643 01:30:28,600 --> 01:30:30,712 It makes your eye twitch, Yeah. 1644 01:30:30,720 --> 01:30:35,025 And you're literally like, you're trying to say something. 1645 01:30:35,025 --> 01:30:36,720 What are these? 1646 01:30:37,400 --> 01:30:39,400 What are this? What are this? 1647 01:30:39,400 --> 01:30:41,360 What are this you are saying to me? 1648 01:30:41,400 --> 01:30:43,640 Because I do not know what this is. 1649 01:30:44,880 --> 01:30:48,160 Also, when they're showing everyone else in classic Robyn 1650 01:30:48,160 --> 01:30:52,120 Brown, you know, diatribe, speech, fashion, everyone is 1651 01:30:52,120 --> 01:30:55,120 just kind of looking like no one's consoling her. 1652 01:30:55,120 --> 01:30:56,160 They're so. Uncomfortable. 1653 01:30:56,160 --> 01:30:59,240 They're just looking around like, what do we even say? 1654 01:30:59,240 --> 01:31:01,040 Because they're not following either. 1655 01:31:01,040 --> 01:31:04,095 They're just like, OK, so she's upset about something now 1656 01:31:04,095 --> 01:31:07,400 again, and it's abuse. Well, you can tell Kody's 1657 01:31:07,400 --> 01:31:11,240 looking at her like he wants to console her, maybe, but also 1658 01:31:11,240 --> 01:31:15,200 that he's a little shocked. I was abused. 1659 01:31:15,840 --> 01:31:19,920 I was abused. OK. 1660 01:31:20,400 --> 01:31:23,040 This is the first time she's coming out and saying that. 1661 01:31:23,160 --> 01:31:26,800 In a previous episode, I said she's playing battered woman 1662 01:31:26,800 --> 01:31:34,320 syndrome about her debt. This woman, and I am not someone 1663 01:31:34,320 --> 01:31:36,760 that's going to be like, oh, you're not a victim. 1664 01:31:36,760 --> 01:31:41,120 I don't believe women when it comes to her and her 1665 01:31:41,120 --> 01:31:45,000 performances that she puts on. And yeah, this performative 1666 01:31:45,240 --> 01:31:48,320 battered woman syndrome that I believe she is doing. 1667 01:31:48,320 --> 01:31:52,760 It's like you are the reason that women aren't believed. 1668 01:31:53,320 --> 01:31:58,960 Go and kindly fuck yourself like this is so wrong. 1669 01:31:59,400 --> 01:32:01,120 Agreed. Now, this is not the kind of 1670 01:32:01,120 --> 01:32:03,600 podcast where we would just repeat rumors. 1671 01:32:03,720 --> 01:32:08,960 No, no, no, no, no, never. But I have a little birdie from 1672 01:32:08,960 --> 01:32:13,320 the Internet told me that realistically, with her 1673 01:32:13,320 --> 01:32:16,080 ex-husband, there's all this like, confusion about the debt 1674 01:32:16,400 --> 01:32:18,640 and the financial situation and the whatever. 1675 01:32:19,200 --> 01:32:22,880 And according to some unnamed sources on the Internet, which 1676 01:32:22,880 --> 01:32:27,240 you can't believe and I would never believe, apparently she 1677 01:32:27,240 --> 01:32:30,920 rung up a lot of debt and was given money. 1678 01:32:31,360 --> 01:32:35,480 Her family. Were given money by his family 1679 01:32:36,080 --> 01:32:39,520 to correct these financial. Paid off so that they could buy 1680 01:32:39,520 --> 01:32:44,560 a home. And then she spent all that and 1681 01:32:45,040 --> 01:32:47,520 then eventually they did get divorced because he couldn't 1682 01:32:47,680 --> 01:32:50,280 deal with this any longer. He like, lost everything. 1683 01:32:50,320 --> 01:32:54,240 He lost everything including his business and whatever her side 1684 01:32:54,240 --> 01:32:57,280 of the story is that he was abusive and all these things and 1685 01:32:57,280 --> 01:33:00,760 you remember he sure reports on it to sit in front of a space 1686 01:33:00,760 --> 01:33:02,760 heater 1 winter. God. 1687 01:33:03,160 --> 01:33:05,600 I mean, it's so weird to talk about these things because like, 1688 01:33:05,600 --> 01:33:06,960 I don't know. I don't know that I can't put my 1689 01:33:06,960 --> 01:33:08,360 hand. On children are like old enough 1690 01:33:08,360 --> 01:33:12,392 that they would be able to speak on it, I think at some point 1691 01:33:12,392 --> 01:33:17,200 and defend their dad. I think he's scared to say 1692 01:33:17,200 --> 01:33:19,960 anything. I think his kids basically got 1693 01:33:19,960 --> 01:33:25,360 stolen from him and he was like forced to sign away rights to 1694 01:33:25,360 --> 01:33:27,002 them by letting Kody adopt them. 1695 01:33:27,010 --> 01:33:30,755 And I think it was probably really all an awful experience 1696 01:33:30,763 --> 01:33:33,976 for him. And he's like wanting nothing to 1697 01:33:33,976 --> 01:33:37,562 do with media whatsoever. He doesn't even want to speak on 1698 01:33:37,562 --> 01:33:41,262 any of it because why the fuck would he want to if he's like 1699 01:33:41,270 --> 01:33:44,096 truly a good person just trying to live his life. 1700 01:33:44,104 --> 01:33:47,480 Most people want nothing to do with the press. 1701 01:33:47,488 --> 01:33:51,710 A normal layperson that just wants to live their life and 1702 01:33:51,718 --> 01:33:55,019 like have their children in their life would not want 1703 01:33:55,027 --> 01:33:59,545 anything to do with any of that. And so he stays away from it for 1704 01:33:59,545 --> 01:34:03,560 his own safety and sanity. And so all these conclusions are 1705 01:34:03,560 --> 01:34:08,346 drawn about him and. And perpetuated by her, the 1706 01:34:08,354 --> 01:34:11,614 negative ones, by her, her lies, her made-up crap. 1707 01:34:11,622 --> 01:34:14,344 If he's remarried and has new kid, not new kids. 1708 01:34:14,352 --> 01:34:16,715 If he's remarried and has other children, whatever. 1709 01:34:16,723 --> 01:34:21,344 Whatever life he's trying to live now, he has the right to do 1710 01:34:21,344 --> 01:34:24,238 that and he shouldn't be thrown under the bus by his 1711 01:34:24,238 --> 01:34:27,685 ex-wife in ways that he isn't. I wonder if he was asked to even 1712 01:34:27,685 --> 01:34:29,127 be on the show or provide a quote. 1713 01:34:29,135 --> 01:34:32,240 Regardless of that, he's not obligated to, and if he doesn't 1714 01:34:32,240 --> 01:34:34,870 want to, that's that. Like, yeah, here's another part 1715 01:34:34,870 --> 01:34:37,485 of it. He was told when he signed to 1716 01:34:37,493 --> 01:34:40,368 the adoption papers that there would be terms to the adoption 1717 01:34:40,376 --> 01:34:43,784 and that he would still be able to see his children. 1718 01:34:43,792 --> 01:34:47,054 And that happened for a little while. 1719 01:34:47,062 --> 01:34:51,740 And after adoption papers are signed and somebody signs their 1720 01:34:51,740 --> 01:34:56,135 rights away to like children unless it literally says in the 1721 01:34:56,135 --> 01:34:58,630 adoption agreement something about visitation which I don't 1722 01:34:58,638 --> 01:35:01,000 think they can even enforce at that point. 1723 01:35:01,008 --> 01:35:05,645 Why would you take your children to be with someone completely 1724 01:35:05,653 --> 01:35:09,805 abusive and horrible that actually did abuse you after? 1725 01:35:09,813 --> 01:35:14,020 They don't have rights to their child, their rights to see them. 1726 01:35:14,020 --> 01:35:15,400 If you're trying to protect your 1727 01:35:15,400 --> 01:35:18,720 child from an abuser, even if they didn't abuse your children, 1728 01:35:18,720 --> 01:35:22,080 if they abused you, that's abuse to your children because they 1729 01:35:22,080 --> 01:35:23,640 saw it, they were there, whatever. 1730 01:35:23,640 --> 01:35:25,680 As far as I'm concerned, if you abuse a mother. 1731 01:35:25,680 --> 01:35:27,120 Bring your. You're abusing your. 1732 01:35:27,120 --> 01:35:30,000 Kids, non adult children to go visit him in the future, which 1733 01:35:30,000 --> 01:35:31,880 she does. Why would you do that? 1734 01:35:31,920 --> 01:35:33,920 Stay for like, I don't know, weeks in the summer or some 1735 01:35:33,920 --> 01:35:35,280 shit. Like girl. 1736 01:35:36,000 --> 01:35:38,240 It's just. She's a liar and a frog. 1737 01:35:38,240 --> 01:35:39,200 Shit. She's a liar and a. 1738 01:35:39,200 --> 01:35:41,080 Frog she is. And it's it's actually 1739 01:35:41,080 --> 01:35:44,832 disgusting to me to put a man in that situation, to put anyone 1740 01:35:44,832 --> 01:35:48,211 in that situation, whether it be a man, woman, they, them, 1741 01:35:48,211 --> 01:35:50,480 whoever it is. Yeah, absolutely. 1742 01:35:50,520 --> 01:35:52,520 It's fucked up. Yeah, and it's wrong. 1743 01:35:52,520 --> 01:35:54,840 And she should be ashamed of herself and she's not. 1744 01:35:54,840 --> 01:35:56,920 She's a shameless whore. She is shameless. 1745 01:35:57,200 --> 01:36:00,320 And it's it's it's a challenge to talk about because, yeah, 1746 01:36:00,400 --> 01:36:04,480 we're only going, we're coming to conclusions based on what 1747 01:36:04,480 --> 01:36:08,120 Robyn lies about on a TV show. And then what people volunteer 1748 01:36:08,120 --> 01:36:10,120 on the Internet that might not even be true. 1749 01:36:10,120 --> 01:36:12,120 So it's like, what do you even believe? 1750 01:36:12,120 --> 01:36:15,160 And I hate to be that person. I don't want to be that person. 1751 01:36:15,160 --> 01:36:20,280 I don't want to be like someone that's denying somebody's abuse 1752 01:36:20,280 --> 01:36:23,120 and like their reality and whatever. 1753 01:36:23,120 --> 01:36:29,160 I truly do think that when you fly as often as she does, you 1754 01:36:29,160 --> 01:36:34,080 confuse your own reality and at some point that becomes your 1755 01:36:34,080 --> 01:36:37,720 reality. And so maybe she's twisted this 1756 01:36:37,720 --> 01:36:43,600 narrative in her mind that these things he did to her were 1757 01:36:43,600 --> 01:36:46,640 abusive, whatever that. Means to her. 1758 01:36:46,760 --> 01:36:48,200 Yeah, whatever that means to her. 1759 01:36:48,200 --> 01:36:49,120 Believes it. Yeah. 1760 01:36:49,200 --> 01:36:52,200 Yeah. Maybe him trying to control 1761 01:36:52,200 --> 01:36:55,360 money was abusive to her, you know, like we don't know what 1762 01:36:55,360 --> 01:36:56,040 she means. She. 1763 01:36:56,240 --> 01:36:59,880 Spent him into the poor house and he was like please stop 1764 01:36:59,880 --> 01:37:02,760 spending money, no. I'm not hiding packages in the 1765 01:37:02,760 --> 01:37:05,520 shed from you and sneaking him into the house and you go to 1766 01:37:05,520 --> 01:37:08,440 work, darling. I have to sit my son in front of 1767 01:37:08,440 --> 01:37:12,600 a space heater. Well stop buying shit bitch. 1768 01:37:12,880 --> 01:37:15,280 Pay your e-mail OK. Anyway, after that. 1769 01:37:15,280 --> 01:37:18,400 Sorry about all that you guys. Sorry you guys. 1770 01:37:18,400 --> 01:37:21,640 You come here for the truth and what a hard. 1771 01:37:21,640 --> 01:37:22,880 Truth and nothing about the truth. 1772 01:37:23,120 --> 01:37:26,760 Whatever we just gave you, it was near that so. 1773 01:37:26,760 --> 01:37:28,760 Opinions and nothing but. Opinions. 1774 01:37:28,880 --> 01:37:30,760 Yeah, allegedly, allegedly, allegedly. 1775 01:37:30,840 --> 01:37:33,000 I, you know, we got to pass it through legal and they said 1776 01:37:33,120 --> 01:37:34,107 allegedly, allegedly, allegedly. 1777 01:37:34,115 --> 01:37:38,322 I just passed it through legal and they said we're in trouble, 1778 01:37:38,322 --> 01:37:42,980 we better get on our knees behind a Pew and pray. 1779 01:37:42,988 --> 01:37:45,855 I'll wear my Prairie dress, honey. 1780 01:37:45,863 --> 01:37:50,446 And will you give me a bouffant? You know how I like it. 1781 01:37:50,454 --> 01:37:52,180 Yes. The higher the hair, closer to 1782 01:37:52,188 --> 01:37:55,018 God, which is a different take on that with the bouffant, you 1783 01:37:55,026 --> 01:37:58,800 know? I got to say, there is one story 1784 01:37:58,800 --> 01:38:03,220 in a book that I read where a girl is rebelling and chops off 1785 01:38:03,220 --> 01:38:07,000 her ponytail and one of the other wives takes the ponytail. 1786 01:38:07,000 --> 01:38:09,160 Because what they do is they 1787 01:38:09,160 --> 01:38:12,440 tease these pieces of hair, or they take pieces of hair from 1788 01:38:12,440 --> 01:38:15,320 their brushes and they put it under the bouffant to make it 1789 01:38:15,320 --> 01:38:18,120 bigger. So this girl cuts off her like 1790 01:38:18,120 --> 01:38:22,080 ponytail in defiance and the other wives like go crazy over 1791 01:38:22,080 --> 01:38:24,880 it and take the ponytail so that they can make their bouffants 1792 01:38:24,880 --> 01:38:26,920 bigger. Oh my God, sorry. 1793 01:38:27,200 --> 01:38:31,640 Side note, it's fucked up. It's so crazy how that is so 1794 01:38:31,640 --> 01:38:35,600 easy to believe. It is like, it sounds nuts, but 1795 01:38:35,600 --> 01:38:38,280 I'm like, yeah, totes. I mean, they did it like back in 1796 01:38:38,280 --> 01:38:41,751 the 17 or 1800s, they would take the hair from their hair 1797 01:38:41,751 --> 01:38:44,520 brushes and use it to like pad their wigs and shit. 1798 01:38:44,520 --> 01:38:46,880 And that's like literally what these ladies do. 1799 01:38:47,160 --> 01:38:49,160 Totally. It makes sense, even though it 1800 01:38:49,160 --> 01:38:54,800 doesn't make any sense. Back to our story, back to this 1801 01:38:54,800 --> 01:38:56,040 episode back. To the Browns. 1802 01:38:56,040 --> 01:39:00,040 Back to the Browns, the Brown family takes Tanya, Carrie and 1803 01:39:00,040 --> 01:39:02,520 the kids to dinner. La, la, la, la. 1804 01:39:02,880 --> 01:39:05,080 I don't think did we care about any of the details from dinner. 1805 01:39:05,160 --> 01:39:06,336 Literally nothing happens there. 1806 01:39:06,344 --> 01:39:09,975 And I just noted that they go to a Mexican restaurant. 1807 01:39:09,983 --> 01:39:13,340 Again, that's their like go to. We love a Mexican restaurant. 1808 01:39:13,348 --> 01:39:16,650 We love a Mexican restaurant. Where they probably order the 1809 01:39:16,658 --> 01:39:20,194 blandest food available now. After this dinner, the teens go 1810 01:39:20,194 --> 01:39:24,015 to get ice cream and the parents go back to visit with 1811 01:39:24,015 --> 01:39:25,760 Tanya and Kerry at Meri's house. 1812 01:39:26,160 --> 01:39:28,120 When the teens go to get ice cream. 1813 01:39:28,120 --> 01:39:31,200 Now you know, I didn't catch the name of this ice cream parlor. 1814 01:39:31,440 --> 01:39:34,440 I don't know if it was, you know, like cruising Hwy. 101 or 1815 01:39:34,440 --> 01:39:37,080 whatever the other place was. They love an ice cream parlor, 1816 01:39:37,120 --> 01:39:39,280 these guys. They love their hoops, the the 1817 01:39:39,280 --> 01:39:41,080 poodle skirts, the greased hair. 1818 01:39:41,088 --> 01:39:43,510 That's another huge thing for Mormons though. 1819 01:39:43,518 --> 01:39:46,700 They don't drink coffee or drink, so they have soda. 1820 01:39:46,708 --> 01:39:49,575 Shops, soda shops, Soda shops. Soda shops, you're right. 1821 01:39:49,583 --> 01:39:51,618 Ice cream parlors for these guys. 1822 01:39:51,626 --> 01:39:57,172 So Kolleen with AK says before coming here, I thought you were 1823 01:39:57,172 --> 01:39:59,664 fake. I thought you were putting. 1824 01:39:59,672 --> 01:40:01,400 On I. Thought you were just putting on 1825 01:40:01,400 --> 01:40:03,914 a show. Yeah, you were fake fucking 1826 01:40:03,922 --> 01:40:06,712 bitches. She's like, I thought that you 1827 01:40:06,720 --> 01:40:09,874 were fake fucking bitches. Putting on a show where 1828 01:40:09,882 --> 01:40:11,965 everybody. Well, turns out they were 1829 01:40:11,973 --> 01:40:15,017 putting on a show. But you know, when you were also 1830 01:40:15,017 --> 01:40:18,062 kind of putting on a show. So you know, Kolleen, the truth, 1831 01:40:18,062 --> 01:40:20,376 you're not going to find it on this podcast. 1832 01:40:20,384 --> 01:40:22,730 Somewhere in between. Yeah, exactly, Suzanne says. 1833 01:40:22,738 --> 01:40:26,555 I don't think you're perfect, but I think you're doing a good 1834 01:40:26,555 --> 01:40:28,955 job. I thought, you know what Suzanne 1835 01:40:28,955 --> 01:40:31,294 is. Really, I don't know. 1836 01:40:31,302 --> 01:40:33,683 She's great. I'm going to put a little heart 1837 01:40:33,683 --> 01:40:35,000 next to her name in my notebook. 1838 01:40:35,040 --> 01:40:38,760 I find her endearing, just like I find Christine endearing. 1839 01:40:38,760 --> 01:40:40,040 They no. I wouldn't go that far, but. 1840 01:40:41,080 --> 01:40:43,200 Christine. Christine hasn't been through 1841 01:40:43,200 --> 01:40:45,600 all this shit, obviously. No, she's. 1842 01:40:46,000 --> 01:40:51,320 But not aware. I find it promising for her that 1843 01:40:51,320 --> 01:40:57,120 she's been out of the FLDS for such a short time, and that 1844 01:40:57,120 --> 01:41:02,560 she's doing well and able to speak to people like this as 1845 01:41:02,800 --> 01:41:05,640 coherently as she does. And she actually does one of the 1846 01:41:05,640 --> 01:41:08,880 little girl's hair, one of Christine's. 1847 01:41:08,880 --> 01:41:11,640 Savannah, Savannah. She's got a bun in and she's 1848 01:41:11,640 --> 01:41:13,880 like. Yeah, and she does. 1849 01:41:14,040 --> 01:41:16,720 She does her hair and she's like, oh, how old are you? 1850 01:41:16,720 --> 01:41:18,920 And she's like, oh, you're a year older than my youngest 1851 01:41:18,920 --> 01:41:23,200 sister. And she's a good person. 1852 01:41:23,200 --> 01:41:25,320 And I think she's going to have a good life ahead of her. 1853 01:41:25,320 --> 01:41:28,360 And I'm like happy that she is out. 1854 01:41:28,480 --> 01:41:31,640 And she's one person. I'm curious like. 1855 01:41:32,400 --> 01:41:34,040 Where are they? Where are they now? 1856 01:41:34,040 --> 01:41:38,960 Right, Like VH1, let's do a special cut to Meri's house 1857 01:41:38,960 --> 01:41:41,760 where we've got Tonya and Kerry visiting with the parents. 1858 01:41:42,800 --> 01:41:46,480 And Christine says she didn't know if Tonya would try to take 1859 01:41:46,480 --> 01:41:49,480 her kids away because of the indoctrination and fear of 1860 01:41:49,480 --> 01:41:51,800 outsiders. In the past, Christine was a 1861 01:41:51,800 --> 01:41:54,440 little fearful of Tanya. You know Tanya heads up this 1862 01:41:54,680 --> 01:41:57,520 nonprofit and big old scary Tanya my. 1863 01:41:57,520 --> 01:41:59,560 She's heard some things about Tanya this. 1864 01:41:59,560 --> 01:42:01,640 Is it the rumor mill? The rumor mill. 1865 01:42:01,640 --> 01:42:03,360 Oh my gosh, I was a little worried. 1866 01:42:03,880 --> 01:42:05,600 With hoping, holding hands or whatever. 1867 01:42:06,080 --> 01:42:10,080 Helping, holding hands, hoping for help. 1868 01:42:11,080 --> 01:42:13,480 Hoping for help. Helping for hope. 1869 01:42:13,600 --> 01:42:18,440 Hoping for hoping hands. Oh no, don't you look at us for 1870 01:42:18,440 --> 01:42:21,440 facts. Oh God, this is rich. 1871 01:42:21,440 --> 01:42:24,480 Holding out Herp, holding out help. 1872 01:42:24,600 --> 01:42:26,560 Holding out help for Robyn's herpes. 1873 01:42:27,480 --> 01:42:30,880 For the Herblerp, we're holding out her hope for the Herblerp. 1874 01:42:30,880 --> 01:42:35,760 Pulpit hold out for Herblerp. So Christine is scared of Tanya 1875 01:42:35,760 --> 01:42:39,360 Tanya's like little old mean. I was like, Oh my God, Tanya's 1876 01:42:39,360 --> 01:42:43,942 given, whatever her name is, her song ideas, Taylor Swift, 1877 01:42:43,942 --> 01:42:48,400 little old me. So yeah, Tanya's definitely 1878 01:42:48,400 --> 01:42:50,880 rocking that vibe. Now, this is where we're going 1879 01:42:50,880 --> 01:42:53,120 to get a Christine moment. And I know you're like, oh, you 1880 01:42:53,120 --> 01:42:57,120 know, Christine, she's naive and it's endearing. 1881 01:42:57,680 --> 01:43:01,200 And I'm going, Christine's naive and Christine is the dumbest 1882 01:43:01,280 --> 01:43:04,600 fuck. I thought everyone in polygamy 1883 01:43:04,600 --> 01:43:06,440 was like us. So this is it. 1884 01:43:06,440 --> 01:43:07,520 We're coming to the couch. Sorry. 1885 01:43:07,560 --> 01:43:10,800 Once again, I'm getting ahead of myself on the couch, having a 1886 01:43:10,800 --> 01:43:13,200 spotlight moment with all the adults, and they're zoomed in on 1887 01:43:13,200 --> 01:43:16,320 Christine and she's talking about how you know Tanya and all 1888 01:43:16,320 --> 01:43:19,800 the things and the men of polygamy. 1889 01:43:20,560 --> 01:43:22,920 I thought everyone in polygamy was like us. 1890 01:43:24,120 --> 01:43:28,160 I didn't know that men could be bastards. 1891 01:43:28,760 --> 01:43:33,640 I didn't know. I didn't know that men could be 1892 01:43:33,640 --> 01:43:41,600 such bastards. I didn't know with the tears in 1893 01:43:41,600 --> 01:43:44,880 her eyes and her nose as red as Rudolph the Red Nosed Reindeer. 1894 01:43:45,080 --> 01:43:51,720 Yep, he didn't know before her little Aspen went on this trip 1895 01:43:51,840 --> 01:43:55,960 about these men. These men now, okay, so 1896 01:43:55,960 --> 01:43:59,120 Christine polygamist, royalty, quote UN quote, her grandfather 1897 01:43:59,120 --> 01:44:01,400 was murdered by her other grandfather when he was the 1898 01:44:01,400 --> 01:44:06,440 prophet and blah blah blah. And he gave he gave birth, he 1899 01:44:06,440 --> 01:44:08,960 pulled a baby out of her vagina or whatever. 1900 01:44:09,240 --> 01:44:12,240 Christine is a Pretty Little Princess and she doesn't know 1901 01:44:12,240 --> 01:44:15,800 anything around her. Did she not know she used to do 1902 01:44:15,800 --> 01:44:18,840 PR? She was a spokesperson for some 1903 01:44:18,840 --> 01:44:21,280 sort of public relations thing about polygamy. 1904 01:44:21,440 --> 01:44:24,720 She knew she is a liar. Yeah, this is weird. 1905 01:44:24,720 --> 01:44:27,280 She plays the whole like, I just don't know anything. 1906 01:44:27,280 --> 01:44:29,380 And it's like, bitch, you knew. 1907 01:44:29,388 --> 01:44:32,600 You knew. And she double s down by saying 1908 01:44:32,600 --> 01:44:34,855 there are common threads amongst these different groups, 1909 01:44:34,855 --> 01:44:37,790 but there are vast differences between the polygamous sex and 1910 01:44:37,798 --> 01:44:40,794 so like how could she know? How could you know? 1911 01:44:40,802 --> 01:44:43,690 In her world, all the men were just walking on water. 1912 01:44:43,698 --> 01:44:47,200 Meanwhile, she's with a husband who neglects her, her children 1913 01:44:47,208 --> 01:44:50,362 and is insane. Yeah, how could they take a 1914 01:44:50,370 --> 01:44:53,838 blessing and use it to control women and to control people? 1915 01:44:53,846 --> 01:44:56,040 And she taught children at one point. 1916 01:44:56,048 --> 01:45:00,879 I mean this it's just. I think that she just lives in 1917 01:45:00,887 --> 01:45:05,817 ignorant bliss and sometimes it hits her and then she floats 1918 01:45:05,825 --> 01:45:10,012 back up to the clouds and then she's in ignorant bliss for a 1919 01:45:10,020 --> 01:45:12,656 while again and then sometimes she gets struck down. 1920 01:45:12,664 --> 01:45:16,940 It's like, I don't even know. Yeah, I would definitely 1921 01:45:16,948 --> 01:45:21,730 capitalize, italicize and bold ignorant in that sentence, yes. 1922 01:45:21,730 --> 01:45:25,000 But she says earlier on when 1923 01:45:25,000 --> 01:45:27,720 she's talking to Tanya, she was scared that they were going to 1924 01:45:27,720 --> 01:45:31,160 take Aspen. She wasn't just scared that they 1925 01:45:31,160 --> 01:45:33,480 were going to take her family. She goes, well, that's a little 1926 01:45:33,480 --> 01:45:35,600 far fetched. Like she knew they couldn't come 1927 01:45:35,600 --> 01:45:39,200 for her family in Las Vegas, but she thought that sending Aspen 1928 01:45:39,200 --> 01:45:41,400 there that Aspen might not come home. 1929 01:45:42,000 --> 01:45:45,040 Yeah, like, Oh my God. And I'm like, OK, you would not 1930 01:45:45,040 --> 01:45:47,880 have actually let her go if you, like, truly thought that. 1931 01:45:47,880 --> 01:45:51,320 Like, I would never let my child go anywhere if it was even an 1932 01:45:51,440 --> 01:45:53,680 inkling they might not come back to me. 1933 01:45:54,000 --> 01:45:56,760 There's not a fucking snowball's chance in hell. 1934 01:45:56,760 --> 01:46:00,720 And then Tanya says that this whole experience has been 1935 01:46:00,720 --> 01:46:06,160 healthy for her and her business partner or charity partner to 1936 01:46:06,160 --> 01:46:08,440 see. It's been healthy for them to 1937 01:46:08,440 --> 01:46:12,080 see a different example, a different side of polygamy than 1938 01:46:12,080 --> 01:46:14,160 what they usually see. Right. 1939 01:46:14,160 --> 01:46:17,040 One staged for television. Yeah, basically. 1940 01:46:17,160 --> 01:46:20,440 And oh, the Browns, you know, we leave it at These men are such 1941 01:46:20,440 --> 01:46:23,440 bastards. And then they go back to the 1942 01:46:23,440 --> 01:46:26,840 kids. I didn't know that men could be 1943 01:46:27,160 --> 01:46:31,160 such bastards. Bastards, she says. 1944 01:46:31,160 --> 01:46:39,240 It is breathy, yes. I'm looking right now like 1945 01:46:39,240 --> 01:46:40,720 Janelle looks when Robyn's talking. 1946 01:46:40,720 --> 01:46:43,240 I'm just like. Yeah, we wrap this whole thing 1947 01:46:43,240 --> 01:46:49,200 up with the kids that have escaped from the horrible sects. 1948 01:46:49,200 --> 01:46:50,520 That's ice cream. Shooby Doo. 1949 01:46:50,720 --> 01:46:54,440 They're the ice. Cream parlors. 1950 01:46:54,440 --> 01:46:55,520 They are. Does he love me? 1951 01:46:55,760 --> 01:47:01,120 I want to know. And the kids say that they think 1952 01:47:01,120 --> 01:47:04,640 that Kody is actually a dad and it's shocking that they have 1953 01:47:04,640 --> 01:47:07,960 found a polygamist that's also a dad. 1954 01:47:08,120 --> 01:47:11,240 Yeah, Nicole says she has respect for Kody because he's a 1955 01:47:11,240 --> 01:47:13,920 dad and a husband. They couldn't believe it. 1956 01:47:14,160 --> 01:47:15,920 He does pull the wool over people's eyes. 1957 01:47:15,920 --> 01:47:17,800 Oh, yeah. I mean, I don't remember that 1958 01:47:17,800 --> 01:47:20,200 realizing that he was so terrible when I first watched 1959 01:47:20,200 --> 01:47:21,480 the show. So you know. 1960 01:47:21,760 --> 01:47:24,520 No, I just thought he was not bright. 1961 01:47:25,000 --> 01:47:27,280 I thought he was showboat like he was putting on a show, but I 1962 01:47:27,280 --> 01:47:29,840 didn't think it was because he was neglecting his family and a 1963 01:47:29,840 --> 01:47:32,560 terrible husband and father. I thought he was just in 1964 01:47:33,040 --> 01:47:35,240 uneducated. Like an oaf. 1965 01:47:35,400 --> 01:47:37,680 Oaf, yeah, for sure. That's what I always. 1966 01:47:37,680 --> 01:47:41,640 Totally, totally. Kolleen with Aki thought all 1967 01:47:41,640 --> 01:47:46,280 polygamists were stupid, but now I see how people respect your 1968 01:47:46,280 --> 01:47:50,560 dad. OK, She just doesn't know how to 1969 01:47:50,560 --> 01:47:53,600 express herself. And I hope that she's learned 1970 01:47:54,320 --> 01:47:57,000 how to express herself better than this because I think she 1971 01:47:57,000 --> 01:48:00,640 could truly bring a lot to this charity. 1972 01:48:01,080 --> 01:48:04,680 And I think that if she really comes to terms with what 1973 01:48:04,680 --> 01:48:08,160 happened to her, she'll be able to help other people. 1974 01:48:08,160 --> 01:48:13,840 But until then, she will actually drive them back towards 1975 01:48:13,840 --> 01:48:17,560 the religion because they're going to be scared of that's 1976 01:48:17,560 --> 01:48:21,400 everything that we don't want. Like that's terrifying to come 1977 01:48:21,400 --> 01:48:24,080 out and see. Yeah, she probably alienated 1978 01:48:24,080 --> 01:48:25,240 plenty of people. Oh, yeah. 1979 01:48:25,360 --> 01:48:27,960 But now I think the reason that we're also caught up on it is 1980 01:48:27,960 --> 01:48:31,160 because Kolleen with AK is, I think I can tell that she's 1981 01:48:31,160 --> 01:48:33,680 smart enough to get this. She can wrap her mind around it. 1982 01:48:33,680 --> 01:48:36,720 She could correct this course. And maybe she has, you know, 1983 01:48:36,800 --> 01:48:39,360 this was a long time ago. Maybe today she's more like, 1984 01:48:39,800 --> 01:48:43,560 listen, I have actually been able to like put these ideas out 1985 01:48:43,560 --> 01:48:46,200 and, and phrase things and you know, like hopefully. 1986 01:48:46,200 --> 01:48:50,040 The concussion that I had from that seagull has gone away. 1987 01:48:51,360 --> 01:48:53,120 My hair is flat again. Oh. 1988 01:48:53,200 --> 01:48:55,360 God, what is her hair color today? 1989 01:48:55,360 --> 01:48:58,000 I got some therapy. I'm therapized. 1990 01:48:58,360 --> 01:48:59,760 Therapized. Yes. 1991 01:48:59,760 --> 01:49:01,523 Kolleen with AK reach out to me. 1992 01:49:01,531 --> 01:49:03,530 Yeah, send me Adm slide into my DM. 1993 01:49:03,538 --> 01:49:06,888 You know, I'm going to tell you I, I, there's one picture that 1994 01:49:06,896 --> 01:49:10,529 I'm thinking of where I look a lot like her and girlfriend. 1995 01:49:10,537 --> 01:49:13,996 We were a lot of love, like probably in some ways. 1996 01:49:14,004 --> 01:49:16,660 Well, maybe, yeah, maybe you should slide in the hair. 1997 01:49:16,668 --> 01:49:19,722 Maybe you should slide slide. I slide into Kolleen's DMS well. 1998 01:49:19,722 --> 01:49:21,360 One of you guys should slide 1999 01:49:21,360 --> 01:49:25,080 into each other's DMS and share old photos, swap old stories. 2000 01:49:25,120 --> 01:49:27,480 Yeah. We do close up the episode with 2001 01:49:27,480 --> 01:49:30,400 Maddie telling us that if Kolleen and her had met under 2002 01:49:30,400 --> 01:49:33,710 other circumstances, she thinks that they would be friends and 2003 01:49:33,710 --> 01:49:35,680 I agree. I agree they have. 2004 01:49:35,760 --> 01:49:38,000 Like they do they have similar vibes? 2005 01:49:38,000 --> 01:49:41,600 You know, they did have this like energy towards each other 2006 01:49:41,600 --> 01:49:45,240 during it that they both wanted to prove their sides of things 2007 01:49:45,240 --> 01:49:50,040 to each other and not in a malicious way, but in like a I 2008 01:49:50,040 --> 01:49:54,400 got you a girl kind of way, like a girls girls kind of way. 2009 01:49:54,800 --> 01:49:57,800 You could tell that they felt like kindred spirits with each 2010 01:49:57,800 --> 01:50:01,080 other and so they wanted to help the other ones see their point 2011 01:50:01,080 --> 01:50:04,520 of view. They also both had hair, makeup, 2012 01:50:04,960 --> 01:50:07,920 looks. They rock a look. 2013 01:50:08,000 --> 01:50:10,200 They rock a look. They rock an attitude. 2014 01:50:10,720 --> 01:50:12,760 Oh, God, I'm giving them. They have a look. 2015 01:50:13,160 --> 01:50:16,760 They have an attitude. And yeah, I think I agree with 2016 01:50:16,760 --> 01:50:18,960 everything you're saying. Well, we made it through this 2017 01:50:18,960 --> 01:50:21,520 episode. Now you guys, it is funny 2018 01:50:21,520 --> 01:50:23,920 because I don't know, hopefully we made you chuckle at least 2019 01:50:23,920 --> 01:50:26,120 once or twice, because it was. Dark. 2020 01:50:26,120 --> 01:50:27,880 It was a little heavy. It was heavy. 2021 01:50:28,040 --> 01:50:30,800 And we like to keep it light around here. 2022 01:50:30,800 --> 01:50:33,160 We like to bring you the facts only. 2023 01:50:34,640 --> 01:50:36,280 And this episode is a little heavy. 2024 01:50:36,760 --> 01:50:38,440 And we were. Unfortunately, we did have to 2025 01:50:38,440 --> 01:50:41,800 delve into the gossip a bit. The rumor mill and the gossip. 2026 01:50:41,800 --> 01:50:43,440 Yeah. That rumor mill? 2027 01:50:43,760 --> 01:50:45,120 All alleged. Alleged. 2028 01:50:45,120 --> 01:50:46,720 Alleged. I mean, you can't quote us on 2029 01:50:46,720 --> 01:50:49,560 any of this. It's all a fever dream. 2030 01:50:49,840 --> 01:50:52,520 Did you even experience? Don't sue us for our millions. 2031 01:50:52,640 --> 01:50:55,760 Oh yeah, we're so rich. You, you're waking up now from a 2032 01:50:55,760 --> 01:51:00,240 fuzzy dream. Oh, it's all WAVY. 2033 01:51:00,240 --> 01:51:03,680 And then you woke up just in time. 2034 01:51:03,680 --> 01:51:06,280 You woke. Yes, you woke up just in time 2035 01:51:06,280 --> 01:51:09,280 for mustard seed and shit stain, darling. 2036 01:51:09,520 --> 01:51:12,920 You know what? Ladies first, I respect women 2037 01:51:13,280 --> 01:51:16,160 and so you. This is the one time. 2038 01:51:16,320 --> 01:51:19,280 Please bless us with your mustard seed for this week. 2039 01:51:19,880 --> 01:51:24,160 I'm going to give my mustard seed to Maddie. 2040 01:51:24,680 --> 01:51:27,520 Good one. Because I think that she had 2041 01:51:27,520 --> 01:51:30,600 very good intentions. It all goes back to the 2042 01:51:30,640 --> 01:51:33,840 intentions for me. I don't know. 2043 01:51:34,400 --> 01:51:39,960 She went into this thinking, OK, this is going to be weird. 2044 01:51:39,960 --> 01:51:42,480 She even said like while they were in the car. 2045 01:51:42,920 --> 01:51:45,960 I'm not scared of the work we're going to have to do. 2046 01:51:45,960 --> 01:51:47,680 I'm scared of the people we're going to meet. 2047 01:51:48,160 --> 01:51:52,880 She I hit it off with one of them in like a weird way that 2048 01:51:52,880 --> 01:51:57,240 you could tell that her and Kolleen were vibing and they 2049 01:51:57,240 --> 01:51:58,840 just wanted to like teach each other. 2050 01:51:58,840 --> 01:52:02,080 And I think that that happened and I think that's cool for both 2051 01:52:02,080 --> 01:52:07,400 of them. And I don't agree with wearing 2052 01:52:08,080 --> 01:52:12,520 dresses, but other than that she gets my mustard seed. 2053 01:52:12,520 --> 01:52:18,520 Yeah, I think my mustard seed. You know, I do push back 2054 01:52:18,520 --> 01:52:21,320 sometimes when people want to give mustard seeds to inanimate 2055 01:52:21,320 --> 01:52:23,830 objects or a passerby character. 2056 01:52:23,838 --> 01:52:30,780 But I do want to give my mustard seed to Suzanne because am I 2057 01:52:30,788 --> 01:52:32,930 allowed to? I think so. 2058 01:52:32,938 --> 01:52:37,608 I actually really love her. I agree, I think she had salt of 2059 01:52:37,608 --> 01:52:41,656 the earth vibes and it turns out what if it turns out she's 2060 01:52:41,656 --> 01:52:43,294 like a serial killer? Oh my God. 2061 01:52:43,302 --> 01:52:45,914 Well, I don't know, Suzanne, if you're able to, if you're able, 2062 01:52:45,914 --> 01:52:48,462 if you're still out of the cult and you can hear us right now, 2063 01:52:48,470 --> 01:52:50,240 if you can, you know, hear what we're saying. 2064 01:52:50,248 --> 01:52:53,304 Send a good vibes your way. I'm going to give you my mustard 2065 01:52:53,304 --> 01:52:57,518 seed, and I hope that you put it in the ground and watch it 2066 01:52:57,518 --> 01:52:59,480 grow because you seemed endearing. 2067 01:52:59,920 --> 01:53:03,920 And I'm happy that her family's out of the situation. 2068 01:53:04,480 --> 01:53:07,440 And she spoke with a lot of candor, especially given that 2069 01:53:07,440 --> 01:53:11,840 she probably at the time had a big lacking in education and 2070 01:53:12,040 --> 01:53:13,760 emotional understanding of things. 2071 01:53:13,760 --> 01:53:19,440 And so kudos for showing up and giving us some love. 2072 01:53:20,480 --> 01:53:22,280 I don't know. She still had a personality. 2073 01:53:22,280 --> 01:53:25,360 She saw the fire about her. She still had something that was 2074 01:53:25,360 --> 01:53:27,480 like. A fire. 2075 01:53:28,120 --> 01:53:31,840 Well, I mean, like there is a little like spark there still, 2076 01:53:32,000 --> 01:53:33,760 right? Like she wasn't like the other 2077 01:53:33,760 --> 01:53:36,680 guy who is like dead behind the eyes, right? 2078 01:53:36,760 --> 01:53:39,400 And that's not his fault. I'm not saying there's nothing 2079 01:53:39,640 --> 01:53:41,160 between the ears. Poor Steven. 2080 01:53:41,240 --> 01:53:43,480 I'm not saying that. I'm just like. 2081 01:53:43,640 --> 01:53:45,080 You've hated on Steven this whole she. 2082 01:53:45,680 --> 01:53:48,040 Well, he's good. I should stand. 2083 01:53:50,000 --> 01:53:52,200 Yeah, no, thank you for backing me up because I'm struggling a 2084 01:53:52,200 --> 01:53:53,920 little bit to even define it. I just. 2085 01:53:53,920 --> 01:53:58,240 No, I just think that she has something special about her in 2086 01:53:58,240 --> 01:54:02,200 the sense that she didn't let this horrible situation kill her 2087 01:54:02,200 --> 01:54:05,520 spirit. And even just the moment where 2088 01:54:05,520 --> 01:54:09,240 her and she was doing Savannah's hair and having this tiny 2089 01:54:09,240 --> 01:54:12,913 conversation with a little girl, you could tell that there's 2090 01:54:12,913 --> 01:54:19,317 this good person that just needs some nurturing and have an 2091 01:54:19,317 --> 01:54:23,840 education and learn and grow. And thank God her mom is giving 2092 01:54:23,840 --> 01:54:27,760 that to her. Thank God her mom saw that the 2093 01:54:27,760 --> 01:54:31,120 situation was wrong and got her kids out of it. 2094 01:54:31,120 --> 01:54:37,504 And I think that a lot of these people escape on their own or 2095 01:54:37,504 --> 01:54:41,440 in pairs. And the fact that her mom got 2096 01:54:41,440 --> 01:54:46,560 all of her children out of that, I like applause to her fucking 2097 01:54:46,560 --> 01:54:48,080 mom. I can't imagine how hard that 2098 01:54:48,080 --> 01:54:49,920 was. Keeping the keep suite 2099 01:54:49,920 --> 01:54:52,200 headboard. A little fucked. 2100 01:54:52,200 --> 01:54:53,520 Up. Well, we'll see where that ends 2101 01:54:53,520 --> 01:54:54,560 up, you know. What would you do? 2102 01:54:54,560 --> 01:54:56,480 It's like you don't want to get rid of all your shit. 2103 01:54:56,560 --> 01:54:57,880 Well, this you need a headboard. 2104 01:54:57,888 --> 01:55:01,189 And how old is her mom? Serves as a reminder of some 2105 01:55:01,197 --> 01:55:01,894 things. Yeah. 2106 01:55:01,902 --> 01:55:05,052 Yeah, Suzanne, you get my mustard seed and you've earned. 2107 01:55:05,052 --> 01:55:06,840 It and Suzanne, if your mother 2108 01:55:06,840 --> 01:55:11,320 still has that headboard and if she's not with us if she is, 2109 01:55:11,320 --> 01:55:15,960 please take it out into the woods and burn it take off all 2110 01:55:15,960 --> 01:55:18,800 your clothes and run around that fire naked and just live your 2111 01:55:18,800 --> 01:55:22,320 best fucking life and charge your pussy by the moon do it 2112 01:55:22,320 --> 01:55:24,800 just. Do it burn and burn. 2113 01:55:25,000 --> 01:55:26,760 Burn the headboard and charge the pussy. 2114 01:55:27,040 --> 01:55:28,840 I don't even know. I've never done that. 2115 01:55:29,280 --> 01:55:32,240 Apparently you can charge your butt hole in a full moon. 2116 01:55:32,240 --> 01:55:34,320 I don't know. I need your pussy and you let it 2117 01:55:34,320 --> 01:55:36,720 like look at the full moon and I love. 2118 01:55:36,720 --> 01:55:39,400 That I knew about the sun with the butt hole, but not the 2119 01:55:39,400 --> 01:55:41,520 pussy, Yeah. With the moon though. 2120 01:55:41,880 --> 01:55:44,160 With the moon, yes. Mother Luna. 2121 01:55:44,320 --> 01:55:47,400 Mother Luna. Give my pussy the power that it 2122 01:55:47,400 --> 01:55:51,440 has. So, you know, shit stain. 2123 01:55:52,440 --> 01:56:00,320 The shit stain is going to go to Robyn for trying to make this 2124 01:56:00,320 --> 01:56:07,760 deep statement about saving these people from the FLDS and 2125 01:56:07,760 --> 01:56:11,240 how we shouldn't give the benefit of the doubt to these 2126 01:56:11,240 --> 01:56:14,000 horrible people because it's doing a disservice to the 2127 01:56:14,000 --> 01:56:16,360 victims. Which is what she was trying to 2128 01:56:16,360 --> 01:56:19,400 say but she couldn't fucking say it because she's dumb and she 2129 01:56:19,400 --> 01:56:23,240 had to make it about her so she gets my shit stained. 2130 01:56:23,960 --> 01:56:28,418 I'm going to say that with this one with the saying I was 2131 01:56:28,418 --> 01:56:32,800 abused and turning this in, we literally are in an episode 2132 01:56:32,800 --> 01:56:36,840 where people were abused and talking about sexual, physical, 2133 01:56:37,240 --> 01:56:41,640 emotional abuse and she makes about her and her abuse like 2134 01:56:42,400 --> 01:56:44,245 it's not even just a shit stain. 2135 01:56:44,253 --> 01:56:47,727 It's like fucking blow out diarrhea on the floor stain. 2136 01:56:47,735 --> 01:56:49,700 Robyn. Go to hell bitch. 2137 01:56:49,708 --> 01:56:52,874 Go to bed, bitch. I fully support your decision, 2138 01:56:52,882 --> 01:56:54,360 Yeah. What about you? 2139 01:56:54,368 --> 01:56:56,100 My shit stain. Oh God. 2140 01:56:56,108 --> 01:56:59,802 You know, I really wanted to give it to Christine for that 2141 01:56:59,810 --> 01:57:03,095 bullshit, but I'm going to give it to Kody. 2142 01:57:03,103 --> 01:57:06,600 Kody Brown, because when he was asked about being a good father 2143 01:57:06,600 --> 01:57:10,510 and if that was his ultimate goal, he said yes from the very 2144 01:57:10,510 --> 01:57:14,930 beginning. And while I don't, I wouldn't, 2145 01:57:14,938 --> 01:57:19,455 my, I wouldn't necessarily call him out on the statement of at 2146 01:57:19,463 --> 01:57:22,156 the beginning, maybe he felt some sort of self-imposed 2147 01:57:22,164 --> 01:57:25,125 optimism or something. I could be, you know, I could be 2148 01:57:25,125 --> 01:57:26,748 a great dad. I care about kids. 2149 01:57:26,756 --> 01:57:28,290 I'm whatever. Look at me, I'm jovial. 2150 01:57:28,298 --> 01:57:30,645 I'm, I'm a showboat. I'm a I'm a performer. 2151 01:57:30,653 --> 01:57:33,694 It's my cross to bear that these children are better be with 2152 01:57:33,702 --> 01:57:35,105 them. I'm going to help them this time 2153 01:57:35,105 --> 01:57:36,768 around. I'm going to solve the world's 2154 01:57:36,776 --> 01:57:41,016 problems for my children. That is not true. 2155 01:57:41,024 --> 01:57:45,730 And in fact, in our coming up ONS in the next episode, 2156 01:57:45,738 --> 01:57:48,718 Christine has a clip where she's like, the kids never see you. 2157 01:57:48,726 --> 01:57:51,140 And that's what they're talking about now is that they never see 2158 01:57:51,140 --> 01:57:53,764 your their father. So hot off the heels of him 2159 01:57:53,772 --> 01:57:57,065 talking about how yes, he's his ultimate goal is to be a good 2160 01:57:57,073 --> 01:58:01,010 father from the very beginning. No, you are neglecting your 2161 01:58:01,018 --> 01:58:03,600 children in real time. Literally the preview of the 2162 01:58:03,608 --> 01:58:07,012 next episode of the Next. Episode and because this is ATV 2163 01:58:07,012 --> 01:58:10,896 show being put on and we're only seeing what we're seeing, 2164 01:58:10,896 --> 01:58:14,135 we haven't really been shown the whole thing yet and we won't 2165 01:58:14,135 --> 01:58:18,202 for a while. But Kody is an alleged deadbeat 2166 01:58:18,202 --> 01:58:23,392 dad, so he lied on national television about caring about 2167 01:58:23,400 --> 01:58:28,912 his children and he didn't stand up and say, Robyn, stop talking 2168 01:58:28,912 --> 01:58:30,676 about your supposed former abuse. 2169 01:58:30,684 --> 01:58:34,690 He lets her do it and so he is perpetuating the lie. 2170 01:58:34,698 --> 01:58:36,310 Yep. Yep, Yep, Yep. 2171 01:58:36,318 --> 01:58:37,680 Really. You stole my shit stain? 2172 01:58:37,688 --> 01:58:40,700 Because Robyn is the one that. Really, she deserved it. 2173 01:58:40,708 --> 01:58:45,100 She's diarrhea time around. Massive diarrhea. 2174 01:58:45,108 --> 01:58:48,801 Uncontrollable diarrhea. Our headboard moment. 2175 01:58:48,809 --> 01:58:52,125 No, just kidding. Our keep sweet moment this week 2176 01:58:52,125 --> 01:58:55,355 comes to us from Patreon. It is a comment from Lisa 2177 01:58:55,363 --> 01:58:56,600 Jamison. Hi, Lisa. 2178 01:58:56,608 --> 01:58:59,172 Hello, Lisa. She says I don't know how you 2179 01:58:59,180 --> 01:59:02,518 both do it. Your podcast is so good and the 2180 01:59:02,518 --> 01:59:04,640 sister wife episodes are so bad. 2181 01:59:05,760 --> 01:59:09,960 Great job guys. Thank you heart emoji and I love 2182 01:59:09,960 --> 01:59:11,720 that that is so sweet. Not only. 2183 01:59:11,720 --> 01:59:14,120 Well, thank you Lisa for this compliment and the. 2184 01:59:14,200 --> 01:59:17,400 Emoji back. Which is that's the whole point 2185 01:59:17,400 --> 01:59:20,440 of the Keep Sweet segment, everybody OK, five stars and 2186 01:59:20,440 --> 01:59:22,080 compliments. That's what we need. 2187 01:59:22,080 --> 01:59:27,560 Praise, praise, praise. But also I do agree with Lisa 2188 01:59:27,560 --> 01:59:29,720 that the episodes are so bad like this. 2189 01:59:29,720 --> 01:59:33,640 This show is terrible. Literally every time we watch an 2190 01:59:33,640 --> 01:59:37,280 episode, I'm like, well, and you're like, well, we look at 2191 01:59:37,280 --> 01:59:39,560 each other and we're like, what are we going to have to say? 2192 01:59:39,560 --> 01:59:42,320 And then we sit down and we're like, bitch, we got a lot to 2193 01:59:42,320 --> 01:59:43,920 say. We always have too much just. 2194 01:59:44,480 --> 01:59:46,800 Cut to two hours later, we're still talking. 2195 01:59:47,080 --> 01:59:49,920 Hours later. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it is true, 2196 01:59:49,920 --> 01:59:54,040 Lisa. The show is ridiculous and we're 2197 01:59:54,040 --> 01:59:55,800 two deadbeat losers here talking about it. 2198 01:59:56,120 --> 01:59:57,600 Thank you. Thank you for joining our 2199 01:59:57,600 --> 01:59:59,320 Patreon. Thank you for joining us on this 2200 01:59:59,320 --> 02:00:04,160 journey and also please go and follow and like and subscribe to 2201 02:00:04,160 --> 02:00:07,840 our YouTube channel pop up video pop up video. 2202 02:00:07,840 --> 02:00:09,482 We love and appreciate you all. 2203 02:00:09,490 --> 02:00:12,040 Charge that pussy in the moon charge. 2204 02:00:12,048 --> 02:00:12,600 It.