What does the nanny do? OK, so we're done.
Goodbye. You shut it off.
Do not twist my words. Do not.
Make me a victim, sweetie. Just look at the mountain.
That's what you saw. That day, just the knife in the
kidneys over all these years and the sacrifices that I made to
love you. Season 5 episode 4 Polygamist
cults. I have to admit something.
I thought this was an episode that happens later in the show
where there's a debate with people about polygamy, and I was
wrong for the first time in my life and it was quite
devastating. It's not that episode, but we do
get Kolleen. For anyone who knows Kolleen,
we're finally being introduced to Kolleen and we'll get to
that. Our last episode, did it go off
the rails? I don't know if it went off the
rails. I feel like it did and didn't.
It didn't. It didn't.
We found out some things live about the Darger family.
However, I would like to say after doing more research that
it was more hearsay than anything.
There are no proven claims about the Dargers other than the
fact that it is true that he married 2 cousins on the same
day and then the twin sister of one of the cousins 10 years
later. So that is true and that's about
it. Everything else is speculation
from people drawing their own conclusions as far as what I
could tell, you know, So we're going to, we're going to leave
it at that. Are they a weird family?
Is it incestuous? Well, you know.
You determine. But that's about the extent of
that, so. Well, this is in case you didn't
catch our last episode. You should go back and listen to
it. We were getting to the end and
literally pulled up on our phones like the Dargers.
And then the Google search results and some of the things
that were being shown to us were quite, oh, not prepared.
Oh my God, didn't know this from the episode.
And then we were like, do we need to do some sort of further
investigation? And then realized Nah,
realistically, if all of it is just rumors and people on Reddit
sharing things, that's not exactly something that we can
stand behind. You know, we just stand behind
our own opinions of people, not other people.
Beat them. Right or wrong, we have our own
opinions. In this episode, we open at
Janelle's house and they're discussing A nonprofit helping
people escaping polygamy and abusive situations.
Darling, what is this cult not what is this called?
What is this nonprofit called? It is called Holding out help.
And we both caught that the first time when we were
watching. Totally.
With their lovely accents, it was like help, help.
Help. I swear to God, I thought it was
holding out hope and then it was not.
So good times holding out help. We find out that Logan, Aspen
and Maddie are going to visit members of this nonprofit who
are helping people escape the clenches, the claws of polygamy,
and the abuse found in polygamous cults.
We find out that Tanya is the founder of the organization and
there might be some reasons to be fearful of Tanya if you're in
polygamy because you know she's here to rescue people in
your cult. And it's not our lovely Tanya
the realtor Tanya. That.
We've come to love and know. The fashion icon.
Tanya There is a new Tanya coming on our screens tonight.
There's a new Tanya in town. This one won't club you in the
knee. This is a different don't want
to get any of our Tanya is confused.
Yeah, they say that the organization is to help people
fleeing bad family situations, and they help her prepare houses
for them to go and live in. So the three kids are going to
go and help get a house ready for a family that will be moving
in that is fleeing a bad situation.
Kody, Christine and Janelle are speaking to Aspen and I'm
assuming the morning that they're leaving.
I don't know if I quite remember, but they're asking her
questions about this upcoming trip, and Aspen says that she's
worried about going because she thinks that she'll hear some bad
things about polygamy. And, you know, that's
understandable. Yeah.
I wouldn't want to go hear people talking about how bad
homosexuals are in case I ever come out of the closet.
Now that would be terrible to hear.
The parents are speaking to the kids about standing up for
plural marriage and if they'll feel comfortable standing up for
what they believe in and their family in the plural marriage.
Do I think that it's necessary to make your kids stand up for
what you believe in? Yeah and no.
I was going to say, I don't know that.
If they don't believe in it, why do they have to stand up for it
just because their parents are in one?
I mean, well, let's think about this.
If it's being set up for by production or if it's being set
up as a storyline thing, then, you know, I don't know that
without the show, this would be, I don't think without the show
this would be happening, no. So they kind of have to give us
something and I think they're giving us something as well.
We hope the kids stand up for our lifestyle.
Kody wants them to see what's really going on so they can
stand up against evil. So he wants them to go and get a
taste of what some of these other polygamist sects are like
in the Mormon church and so that they can recognize evil.
And I don't know, but it's like, OK, dude.
He phrases it something like why I'm allowing them to go and I'm
like, oh, you're allowing them to go.
I love Kody's patriarch, blah blah blah.
So nice of him to allow his teenagers.
Logan, who has graduated from high school and is probably an
adult, I hope he's an adult because I saw a little bit of
glow up in this episode. The interviews must have been a
little later, and I was like, oh, Logan is becoming a young
man. I haven't really talked about
how I view Logan because up until now he might have been a
minor and I'm not a freak. And now I'm like, oh, he's an
adult. I am guessing that he's 18 at
this point. This has to be probably in the
summertime, after school and after the graduation.
And that's why they're able to go and do this trip for a little
bit. And they also just had another
trip with the Dargers, so they've been taking some time
off, so it's probably summer. I was a little surprised that
Leon wasn't going on this trip. I'm curious if Leon was busy or
if potentially because Leon's perspective right now is that
they do want to be in polygamy, that maybe they were like Nah or
something. I think that Leon is kind of the
type of person that talks a big game but doesn't necessarily
have a big game, and I think that Leon probably would be
scared to be in a situation like this and probably just be a
crybaby. Yeah, I can see that.
Yeah, it wouldn't end well for Leon, I don't think, to have met
who one of the people in particular that we're about to
meet. While they're outside the house
and the kids are getting ready to leave on this little road
trip up to Utah, Janelle and Kody are, you know, having a
spotlight moment talking to the camera.
And one of the things that they mentioned is that they're
curious if these people will be like, across the board against
polygamy or will they be a part of the people who only know
about the stereotypes of polygamy?
It's like, well, they all came from polygamy.
I mean, I don't think that I shouldn't say they all, but
Tanya's the only one we know of. Now we do get introduced to
Carrie, who is her, you know, business partner her.
Yeah, they're. Adult in charge.
And I don't know why they would have stereotypes of polygamy if
they're from polygamist groups. So I don't know, it seems like
just a bit, maybe it's just talking.
They just got to talk. Kody says that some people say
polygamy is abuse, that all polygamy is abuse in general.
Yeah. And do we think he's wrong that?
I guess not.
I also just don't know that it's a 100%.
Like I wouldn't call them the same thing.
Just because you have multiple spouses doesn't mean it's
inherently abusive. I don't think it's necessarily
abusive to the women that chose the lifestyle.
I do think it's kind of abusive and neglectful to the children,
which I have mentioned before. I think that anytime you have
over, and I'm not going to say a number because I don't want to
go there, but I think that after you have a certain amount of
children, it becomes neglectful because they're just not going
to get enough of their parents.
They're not going to get enough support.
They're not going to get the attention that children need to
grow and thrive. And I think a lot of kids from
very large families would probably agree with that.
And there's a lot of siblings that are put in control or power
positions and parentification of the older ones that happens.
And I think you could argue that
that is abuse in some cases. Yeah, well, I mean, I've always
thought I should have been an only child because I needed all
of the attention and all of the love, and my brothers have
already heard me say that I wish they had never been born.
But now I'm glad they're here. You're a needy little orchid
child, and your brothers were dandelions so.
An orchid. Orchid.
Oh, an orchid? Yes, yes, definitely.
An orchid child versus the dandelion child.
Yep. There's some weeds and I'm
beautiful. There's this is a concept, a new
concept to me. There's, you know, the child
that's going to need more to grow and more help and a little
more nurturing. And then there's the child that
is just like weed that's going to make it totally.
Yes, this is where Maddie and Logan tell us they'll be helping
to set up a safe house for the escapees in Utah and give us
some details about painting and moving in some furniture, blah,
blah, blah. When they arrive, Carrie is
there to welcome the kids to this new home that they're going
to be painting and helping move things into.
We were not told about Carrie before we get there.
So it was a little like, OK, like all of a sudden here's
Carrie and sounds good to meet you, Carrie.
But now we get introduced to the children.
Well, the young adults, the youth that are being served up
to us as the former polygamist who have been helped by holding
out help. Yeah, yeah, They've been helped,
all right. And they have very strong
opinions. Not well, not all of them.
Yeah, Kolleen has very strong opinions.
Polygamy. We get introduced to her.
Yes, Kolleen with AK, in case you're wondering.
Yeah. You pointed that out to me.
I did not notice it because I was busy writing and you were
like, look at how she spells her name.
I'm like, oh honey. Kolleen with AK.
Yep. And as we discussed in our last
episode with a little preview, she's blonde.
She is blonde, blonde, blonde. She's white, blonde.
With aggressive makeup. Oh, aggressive is a good way to.
Start. Yeah, absolutely.
This is the period in time at the height of YouTube makeup
beauty culture where, you know, every week there was a
different brand coming out with a new palette, and you had to
have all the palettes and all the colors.
And you're watching beauty tutorials and let me tell you,
this girl has gotten her hands on some eyeshadow, some
eyeshadow brushes, and probably been watching a YouTube channel
or two. Because it's not that it looked
bad, it actually was pretty decent makeup for the time
period that this was shot in. But she is definitely trying her
best to do every possible thing to look different than an
ex FLDS or Kingston Sect member.
It reminded me of Myspace. Now this is this is after most
of us were using Myspace. But let's remember these are
polygamous. Former polygamous 2012, 2000
whenever ish. I don't really remember, but she
looked like a lot of young women on Myspace.
Slightly behind the time, yeah.
Yeah, Well. Orange County, You know, emo.
I don't even know what. I'm surprised she didn't have
big black chunks in her hair, frankly.
If I were to show you a picture of me from gosh like 3 years
before this I would look almost exactly like that with the short
blonde hair. Except for I don't know what the
fuck she was doing with the side of her hair where she
literally had it. Like it looked like a wind, Like
a wind gust had come and blown A seagull into her head, and the
seagull had landed in her hair and skid across the side of her
head. And then the seawater dried her
hair in this upward weird position and it was not moving.
No movement, and in fact, the
seagull also pooped, but you can't see it because her hair's
white. Yeah, it's like the same color
as the seagulls. Mirrored her hair up into the
side. Very something about Meri.
It was on the side of her head.
Something about a different Meri.
Not Meri Brown, definitely. Oh, look, highly stylized in a
way that, well, for anyone who's seen the show, you know what
we're talking about. If you haven't seen the show,
maybe we'll have to find an image of her and share it on the
social medias because she has made her round since being on
the show. By the way, she I think was in
another show about, you know, polygamous escapees, blah, blah,
blah, blah. So she's been on the circuit.
I wonder what she looks like. To do.
Oh my gosh. We'll have to do a side by side
of my photo in her. Yes.
Because I swear to God, I'm like, what?
Kolleen with AK, if you are listening, I'm very interested
in having an interview. You could be our first interview
on my Sister Wives podcast. That would be cool.
Yeah. I'm curious where she's at now.
And I'm sure she looks back at
this time and is like, what was I doing with my hair?
Because I look back at myself from this time period in three
years prior and I'm like, what the hell was I doing with my
hair? I have never seen this done
before though. The seagull hair.
Not like this, no. No it.
Really was unique. It was really something else.
It definitely was, yeah, And I applaud her experimental vibes.
Especially for the camera. You know, pull that out for the
camera. Sure, why not?
Let's try it. Listen, if I was going on TLC,
my hair would be so boring. So I have to give her kudos, you
know, at least she's doing something.
My hair would be teased to the high heavens.
You. Have like 80s hair.
So in this introduction segment we meet Kolleen with AK who is
from the Kingston sect of polygamy.
Kingston's Kingston? I'm not sure.
If it's Kingston's. Kingston's, Yeah.
And along with Kolleen, with AK, we meet Nicole, who is also
from the Kingston sect. The other two young adults that
we are meeting are from the FLDS.
We are meeting Susan. Suzanne.
Suzanne and Stephen.
Stephen. Stephen and Stephen was kicked
out and FLDS is Warren Jeffs sect by the way.
I'm sure most people listening know that.
But for those of you that don't, that is the sect that Warren
Jeffs was. In charge of and controlling
Warren Jeffs sect, where you know, he was famously imprisoned
for child rape and murder. Child not murder, but child rape
and a lot of bad things. Probably just couldn't catch him
on a couldn't catch him with the big old M charge so they.
The big M and the parents are on the couch after we get these
brief introductions of the youth.
The former polygamist youth, after we get this brief
introduction of these young adults that are former that are
from polygamist cults, the parents are on the couch and
Kody talks about how bad Warren Jeffs is and they're not all
like Warren Jeffs, he's evil, etcetera.
I kind of like didn't really care about the details of what
Kody was talking about, just that Warren Jeffs is evil.
Did you care about any of it? No, I did not have any takeaways
of that, but I do want to point out back when we met Kolleen,
she came out and she said that she was looking for someone to
take her anger out on and like these kids, Aspen, Logan and
Maddie are going to be the perfect ones for her to do that
with. So foreshadowing.
After we get this information about Warren Jeffs from Kody
that literally, I don't remember anything he said, Tanya and
Carrie back up in Utah. Give us an update on the
nonprofit, how they help people escaping.
And sometimes these people have no family or connections in the
outside world. And so obviously, that's why
it's important. I don't know how much we need to
dive into that. It's what it is, right?
Like these people are in cults when they try to escape, they
have no one on the outside. So that's why these nonprofits
exist. So, you know, the kids, Maddie,
Logan and Aspen arrive at this house where they enter in and I,
I feel like we weren't really given much of A this is what's
going to happen. It's like all of a sudden they
were doing it and they're priming walls and taping walls,
getting ready to paint and whatever.
And they kind of just jump right into their conversations in
real time that they're having. And Maddie asks Steven if he has
any hobbies, and he says no. And I was like, oh, my gosh.
And he's like, yeah, I don't really, never really had any
hobbies. And I'm like, oh, God, like just
the first example of someone asking a normal question of one
of these people, what are your hobbies?
And he's like, I don't really have any.
Oh, God. It just makes me feel so bad for
these people that are raised in environments where what is it
all just manual labor and prayer and like, that's it.
It's just like, Oh my God, you don't have anything else that
you even are interested in. I don't know, it just made me
feel sad. Maddie is taken aback by it for
sure. She's trying to have a
conversation with him and ask him questions and you can tell
he doesn't really know how to have a normal conversation,
especially probably with a girl and a girl like outside of
someone that he's grown to know and comfortable with.
Even the other girls that are there and part of the group,
he's uncomfortable around because later on when they ask
if he wants to ride in the car with them, he like, chooses not
to. And it's just like he doesn't
have a personality at all. And it's not his fault.
Obviously you're not allowed to have a personality.
You're not allowed to be any different than the horde of
sheep that you're supposed to be going along with.
And this poor guy. Yeah, it just hit me for some
reason. I can't imagine not having
interests or hobbies that don't involve religion or like
obeying my parents. Like I don't even know what that
means. Well, the sad thing is too, that
if from a young age you're basically told that being
different is wrong and you have to color inside the lines and
your brain literally doesn't make those connections as you're
growing as a young child, you use them or lose them.
Like, your brain is growing so many connections, you know, the
first three years of life even.
And if you're not nurtured and you're growing up and in this
environment that they've grown up in, part of me wonders, like,
how much you can really come back from that because it's
literally your brain chemistry growing up as a child that's
been affected. I don't know, Like, it just
makes me feel so bad. Like, yeah, listening to him.
Hopefully his time spent after escaping and up until today has
been spent doing a lot of exploring, like self
exploration. Exploration of the world, I
hope. Maybe some psychedelics open up
that mind again, some mushrooms, I don't know, not
condoning it. I'm condoning it.
I'm all about it. I think that it could be super
helpful in therapy for people like this.
Like I think that this is a like a therapeutic setting for
somebody like him would be the perfect like opportunity.
I don't know. The awarenesses that could come
from LSD or, you know, even ketamine treatments, that is
more common today, yeah. Could be really, really helpful
to reprogramming. Yeah.
Oh. My God, a therapeutic trip under
the right circumstances, right?
Under super. Because I straight up throughout
this entire episode, every scene that he was in, it was
just like dead behind the eyes, kind of like didn't know
what to do with himself, didn't have a personality.
And I really, truly hope that he's in a better place now.
They did not say how long he's been out of at FLDS church.
At this point, no. We didn't really get many
details about. It yeah, so that could have
something to do with it too. Like we don't know how long he's
been out at this point and he could just still be shell
shocked. But I'm guessing that they
picked these four to be like the best feet forward the people
that agreed to be on this show. So I do think it'd be weird for
them to put him in this position after helping him if
they didn't feel he was ready to be in this situation.
So I don't know what that says, but.
Kolleen with AK is going to give us some more of her updates,
some more details about her. She left twice as a teenager.
At 15 years old, she escaped polygamy, but then she was sent
back. I don't think we got any details
about her being sent back. She was sent back, whatever that
means. Yeah, she tried to leave, left
at 15 and then at 17 again, and I'm guessing that they caught
her or that maybe some sort of child welfare was involved.
And yeah, she got sent back. Yeah.
But at 17, she was able to leave for good.
She volunteers that her first memory is of her father, who was
an elder in their cult beating her up.
Don't really know what to say about that.
Like Oh my God, I wonder. OK so and Kolleen in general is
harping on all polygamists. So she is anti polygamy.
Every statement that she makes about polygamy is like a broad
sweep saying everything's terrible and they're all
delusional and all these things. When she says that her first
memories of her father beating her up, I'm going like, do I
believe this? And I think I do.
But her, her appearance and her demeanor seem so kind of like
trying to get something, you know, making an impression,
being dramatic. Aggressive.
Aggressive, as you said, her makeup was she's very
aggressive. She.
Is she's very aggressive. So that for some reason gives me
pause. Am I crazy?
No, you're not. She's got hard edges everywhere.
And when you're looking at
somebody like that with a chip on their shoulder, it makes it
hard to believe what they're saying because there's no give
in the conversation. There's no give and take.
And it makes you wary of like anything they're going to say
because you're like, well, you have an agenda here.
You have an agenda. And it's that everybody's bad.
You're not willing to listen. And it goes like on both sides
of the spectrum, right? Like she has this hard stance
just as a hardcore member in the FLDS church would have a hard
stance. So it's like if you you catch
more bees with honey or flies with honey.
So I don't know, her approach is just kind of all wrong if she
really does want to help people.
Yeah. Oh, she's so angsty with the
aggression. Is this surly angst?
Just kind of like, I'm stuck at 15 and I hate everyone.
Like, OK, but like, Oh my gosh. Really, she is in this era, like
she's stuck in this time period in her life that she
probably can't move past between 15 and 17 when she was
escaping, and she needs therapy to help move on and to
continue growing up or she's going to be probably stuck in
this for a bit. Yeah, she keeps saying that
anyone that would be a part of polygamy is dumb.
It just must be stupid. And you just can't say broad,
sweeping statements like that. And you're not even giving any
intelligent reason as to why you believe that.
You're just saying it and thinking that that's going to
change minds. Like, that's not how it works.
It's like having a Facebook message board argument, like in
the comments section, Like, Oh my God, that's not how you
change minds, you know? But yeah, Steven tells Maddie
that he has three moms, that he had four moms and then one
left. And then he talks about how he
was close with one of his moms, but the moms weren't really
there. I mean, he had one that he felt
close with, but that's kind of it.
And she left. Yeah, it's really sad.
We find out, you know, about a few of their situations and that
the moms were in constant competition for Dad's attention.
And so for them, it was like the
kids went by the wayside. Dad was the king and the leader
of the house. And so, you know, everything was
about getting his attention, not about the kids.
After we have these kind of brief introductions to Kolleen
and Steven, we get a shot of Maddie outside with Logan and
Aspen. And they're clearly taking a
break from their manual labor to have a spotlight moment with
the producers. And Maddie says that she does
not want to live polygamy, but she supports it.
She says that she supports her parents.
They're good people. And as she's starting to talk
about this, the tears are welling up in her eyes.
And I'm like, oh, God, girl. And she says if these kids had
been raised the way they should have been, they would be happy.
And she's getting all emotional.
And I'm like, well, you know, it's actually nice to see Maddie
getting a little emotional. Feeling something didn't really
move me, but I don't know. Yeah, You can tell she's just
overwhelmed. She goes, it's disgusting what
Warren Jess has done. Yeah.
And that she understands why they don't see the good side of
polygamy and they've never had a chance to see the good side.
And that Warren Jess is disgusting.
She says that a few times, which he is disgusting.
And she says that she had more support than a lot of other kids
because of her polygamist family, which is interesting
that, you know, in a monogamist family, she thinks she might
have had less support because of all of the people in her
polygamist family. In between these Maddie sound
bites, Nicole talks about living in her car when she escaped the
polygamous compound or wherever she came from.
Now Nicole is a fellow Kingston's person like Kolleen.
While she was 16 when her dad
tried to marry her off and so she ended up leaving and her dad
would not accept it. And the only way she got her dad
to accept that she left is that she was 22 and she got married
to an outsider of the church and got pregnant and has a kid now
That's right. So the only way that she would
get her dad to leave her alone and basically say like OK, this
is over. Is she married an outsider?
She's currently 22 so I don't know when she got married, she
had to have gotten married very young If her dad was trying to
marry her off at 16. And then now she's 22 and has a
kid. I don't know.
Like it's just really sad. She basically fled a marriage
with probably some creep that was way older than her just to
go off and marry to escape that life anyway.
Obviously it's better she got to marry somebody that hopefully
she wanted to and is happy with.
But still, it's like, what a shitty way to have to like,
flee. It's just sad.
Yeah. And then she talks about how
basically all of her friends were physically, sexually and
emotionally abused like all of her close friends.
And she makes a comment that she thinks there's probably a lot
going on in Aspen, Logan and Maddie's parents marriage that
the kids just don't know about. Right.
And I really thought that was a good observation on her part.
Like these kids seem very naive about polygamy and I'm sure that
they don't really truly know what's going on with their
parents behind closed doors as they shouldn't.
Like I don't think any child should know if their parents are
having problems because your kids should be focused on being
kids, not your problems. Yeah, it was an interesting
bullet point because I think that she's right.
But I agree that it's like, well, what should they be
entrenched in their parents problems?
Like that doesn't make any sense either.
So it was kind of an odd place for me.
Yeah, because these kids are so used to seeing all of the shit
that goes on though. So for them, they're like, well,
there's got to be something like, there's got to be some
smoke. Like there's got to be some sort
of fire. There's got to be fire.
Yes, yeah, yeah. And we do find out that, yeah,
nothing's perfect. But as far as observers of the
show in season early, season 5, we're not really aware of, you
know, are we seeing any smoke? I don't know.
Am I smelling smoke? Maybe I'm just having a stroke,
you know, that kind of thing. Not sure.
To Nicole, the smoke would be the fact that there's polygamy
in general, right? So where's the fire?
There's got to be fire somewhere.
The smoke is already here, and it's polygamy.
Totally that that makes sense. Carrie has a little moment where
she's talking about how traumatized a lot of these
people are that are fleeing the FLDS, and she says that Suzanne
was so scared of anybody when she got out that she had trouble
talking to anyone when they left.
I can see that because they thought they were all evil.
I can see that Suzanne has a, oh, I don't want to say the word
mousy. Very childlike demeanor.
Totally soft spoken and kind of that shoulders pulled in and
timid, timid, yeah, like not looking anyone in the eye, kind
of never looking anywhere kind of thing.
And it's like, OK, girl. Like yeah, definitely the cult
vibes. She's skittish.
Yes. For sure.
Absolutely. Yeah, but she seems very sweet.
And she's actually really cute
too. Like she seems like a very sweet
girl. Yeah.
Oh, keep sweet. I shouldn't have said that.
Poor God, she seems like a sweet girl.
But then, yeah, well, the keep sweet.
Dang well. It's just like me, just like
you, we keep sweet. You know, ask my husband about
it. Yeah, I know, right?
Anyone who's ever spent more than 5 minutes with me and
they'll agree. Sweet.
At this point, we get a little bit of a transition where the
kids are introduced to Christy, who runs a host family home.
So I'm a little unclear. Once again, they didn't really
do a good job of setting this up and giving us details.
So I'm going, were we priming and painting Christie's home to
have people move in? Did we prime and paint another
home and now Christie's home is a different home and they're
moving things in. It's hard to know.
And also we don't really know that they're moving things in.
This is just because we've watched the episode.
So I know that they do. This is the problem.
They they're not giving us any real details.
It's weird. So we go to the house and
Kolleen is talking about how she has a house family now and
it's basically, yeah, like a hosting family that takes in
the kids and like the one offs that escape, not the families.
And. Yeah, you know, like the, you
know, the stragglers, the ones that got out of there alone.
And yeah, Kolleen is talking about how her house family is
her real family now and that she loves them.
And she now has a real dad and a real mom and she loves them
and that's amazing for her. And so I think that they bring
us to that house to show like what a house family is.
That makes sense. Yeah.
And then I think that the house that they're fixing up and
moving furniture into is probably, and like, don't quote
me on this, but I think it's Suzanne's family because they
talk about moving her mom's. Her mom's stuff.
That's right. Yeah.
OK. So I really wish they would have
clarified this because for some reason, the way that you're
saying it is totally makes sense.
I think Christie is Kolleen's host mother, her mom.
And she refers to her as her mom and her dad.
And I did find that to be a little like, oh, OK.
Like, I don't know at what age you don't where you still accept
people that are caretakers, caregivers.
Yeah. Because she's 17, but is she 17
at filming? I don't think so.
So. She's like 19 now.
I don't want to nitpick at it, it just was a little hard to
follow and I blame Putty, Uncle Monkey, Puddle Puddle Monkey
Productions because it's like, why couldn't you have just given
us a little clearer of a breakdown?
Yeah, they don't. I guess if I was just casually
watching it as I was scrolling on my phone, I probably wouldn't
care. So like, to be fair, it's all
right. But Kolleen's host family's home
is where we're at. Christie's her mom and Kolleen
gives us some further background about her bio family and her
history. She said that she would only see
her bio dad for holidays, birthdays, and occasionally at
church. Not sure that Kolleen with a
cake told us how many wives or children her dad has.
We just know he's an elder, so he probably has spread that seed
far and wide. Yeah, we don't hear about that.
We find out later about another one.
Yeah. Oh God.
Yeah, she, God, she says that her dad was like the king of the
house and that when he would come over they had a glass ass
plate and nice dishes just for him.
And they got the shitty like plastic, whatever throwaway
stuff that we always talk about, the landfill stuff.
Yes, the landfill. So yeah, she would see her mom
basically roll out the red carpet for her king of a father
every time he came, and she resents it for sure.
Even the way that she was describing it has those heavy
vibes of like angst and aggression.
And it kind of like you could have described this without
being so kind of whatever. But she does paint a picture.
She paints a picture and it's not a cute 1.
And it reminded me of the whole thing with Robyn.
And it's like undertone of polygamous slash, overtone
slash. What it is that when the husband
shows up, he is number one. You're in the house.
I'm going to. Oh, it's all about you, honey.
We love you. You're so amazing.
You walk on water like you don't want him to feel bad in your
home because you only get him so often and you want him to love
you. Yeah, you don't have to lift a
finger when you come here, darling.
And that's why, you know, Kody doesn't really like Kody ends up
having issues with Christine. I've been probably Janelle too,
but primarily Christine is like, I'm sure Christine was like, I
expect you to show up and be a husband.
And he's like, excuse me? Like, I can go to Robyn's and
just kick my feet up on the couch, you know?
Oh, yeah. I just can't even imagine as a
young child seeing your dad come and this like, imposing figure
that is the head of the household and mommy is getting
out the nice things that only come out when he is there and
how warped that would make your mind.
And I think that's why she is like these.
This is my mom and this is my dad.
I think it's easy when someone has been in such a horrible
situation as a child for them to need that love and affection
from someone. So even though she's only known
them a short period of time, they've shown her compassion and
love. And so yeah, like she's the.
Unconditional love that she didn't get from her parents.
I think she actually says that.
Yeah, there is a splice up here in between Kolleen with AK's
bullet points where Logan says he and Maddie don't want to live
in polygamy and Aspen says that she does.
And so this is I think where Kolleen kind of we get her first
real going in Adam. Well, Kolleen asks about it, and
then one of the older women says, well, how would you feel
if you saw your partner, your husband with another woman?
Yeah. And, you know, we get Maddie,
who says, I couldn't handle it, I wouldn't like it.
And then they look at Aspen and she's like, well, I want to do
it. I, I think I want to be a
polygamist. And then they just kind of go in
on her. Even the I don't remember which
older person it was but they make the comment.
Well, how would you feel if you know he had?
Sharing. Sharing your husband so even one
of the older people kind of like got on her and asked her.
It was a bit heavy, to be fair. When this conversation is done,
they do say you guys are handling this like pros, like
they say that they give them their props.
So don't want to like, you know, but Aspen literally is kind of
like, I don't know. And it's very Aspen coded Aspen
vibes. She's just kind of like, I mean,
I don't know, I, I feel like it's, I'm not sure.
And it's like, Oh my God, like how do you answer these
questions? But also if you're going to have
a husband with multiple wives, it's part of the equation.
She's also like 16 or 17. Yeah, she's like, I haven't even
thought about it. Like, OK, like get off her back.
She's literally a little like I
don't know, like I literally wrote down IDK like she's like I
don't know. She's getting asked like this
serious question and she's thinking about it for the first
time, right? She's like, so confused.
Totally. And Kolleen with AK, Oh my gosh,
she's like poor Aspen. She's brainwashed.
Brainwashed. She says to Aspen.
I think you're going to get screwed over.
Yes, honestly, I think you're going to get screwed over.
These statements are so dramatic.
And she says, she says again, I think you have to be dumb to do
it. And then Maddie says, well, I
don't think my parents are dumb.
Right. She's so aggressive.
Yeah, it's just kind of like. And these kids do do a great job
of not getting because like I, I probably would react, what is
it called? Like eat it up or do you know,
whatever, go for it, fall for it.
And I would be all like, listen, bitch, I'm not dumb.
And it's like, OK, well, just consider who you're listening to
and whatever, It's all good. Yeah, I'm surprised that they
let Aspen do this because she is pretty young and she's not very
assertive, like in general. So to put her in a situation
where she's got to defend polygamy, it's like that's why
they asked her at the beginning. And I'm like, that's a lot to
put on your child to defend your choice like that.
And now here it is. And she's like.
Totally. Like I'm caught.
I'm caught in the headlights. I don't know.
Gosh. As the scene continues, they are
moving in Suzanne's families things into this home.
So this is where you put the pieces together.
Before I did that, this home that they were painting, it's
probably for Suzanne's family because they're moving in
different items. And the first one that we get
drawn attention to is a computer, like a desktop CPU
component, like the box. It's definitely old school, but
there's like a sticker on it that almost looked like as a
pin. Like I feel like it had depth
but then. Like Pedro Pin.
But when they peeled it off, it was just a sticker.
At first, it looked like a pen. And it has Warren Jeff's face on
it. And Suzanne talks about how
Warren Jeff's stickers are put on everything.
They're put on many things because we're to pray every time
we see the stickers. And they would continue doing it
when he went to prison because, you know, they're
saviors behind bars, so they're supposed to pray for him
and pray for themselves. Because nobody believed it and
everyone thought that the government was against them and
just tearing the family apart and against their church and.
It was so creepy. I can't remember what the saying
was around Warren Jeffs on this sticker, but it was totally
one of those stupid, like one of those weird culty phrases.
And I just was imagining being in an environment where we've
seen footage of the FLDS compounds as the prophet of the
FLDS. His portraits are everywhere and
his pictures everywhere. And he's he teaches the kids at
school, he leads them in prayer.
He's just like everywhere. So to have to constantly be
praying to this prophet, this human, just gross, gross.
And then we move on from the CPU, from this old computer to
Suzanne's mom's headboard. Well, first they go and there's
a bunch of school desks and they're having to peel the
stickers with like, paint. What are those?
Scrapers. Scrapers.
And they're having to peel Warren Jeff's face and these
stickers off of multiple desks and it's like.
And Maddie says she thinks it was cathartic for them to be
peeling these stickers off. Like, it probably felt pretty
good. It was a nice thing for them to
be doing. Liked it, Fair enough.
And Suzanne said that she was devastated when she found out
who Warren really was. Right?
Like when she came to terms with what he had done and learned
that it was real. She was devastated.
She was raised that he was the prophet and believed he is next
to God really and. She said it makes you question
everything, like everything you ever thought was real, like
you're questioning your reality.
And this is when we see Suzanne's mom's headboard.
Being brought in, it's like white and arched.
It's an arched wooden headboard. Painted white and on it it says
keep sweet on the top and on the bottom it says dreams.
And they discuss this idea, the notion of keep sweet.
And I go a little like, Oh, cod, Oh cod, because, you know, we
have keep sweet moments on this show and I try to like I don't
know, I thought it was silly and it tie in to the whole cult
thing and the vibes, but really like keeping sweet is.
It's dark. Really really dark.
Especially have like on your headboard.
Oh my God, an adult woman's headboard.
Very dark. It's basically a way for them to
make everybody shut up. If you're not keeping sweet,
there's something wrong with you.
And if there's a fight between the kids, Suzanne says that they
would just tell the kids, keep sweet, which meant keep it to
yourself, keep it inside, shut up and act nice, keep sweet.
And then the same thing with the moms, which is why it's on her
mom's headboard. It was a way to manipulate the
wives. If you're not keeping sweet, why
would your husband want to spend time with you and be with
you? Keep sweet.
It's a manipulation tactic. And it was something that they
would say specifically to the girls and children.
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Make sure to keep sweet out there.
I think of Sweet Honesty, the perfume from Avon.
It was a perfume that they had like in the 90s.
Probably smell like baby powder.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I can picture the bottle.
Oh my God. Then this is where the children
decide just out of nowhere, out of the goodness of their hearts,
that they should invite Suzanne, Steve, Nicole and
Kolleen to come and meet their family, along with the two other
other adults, of course. But yes, they want them to come
and meet their family, and they think it's a good opportunity
for them to see that polygamy can actually be a good thing
still. After two days of helping, that
was the only note that I took was that they helped these
people out for two days of painting and moving furniture
and answering their questions and being berated home for their
polygamous parents choices. Two whole days, yes.
Maddie says that she was concerned Kolleen would show up
with a bad attitude. Yeah, and be antagonistic.
Which I don't know why she would think that.
I don't know why at all. But Maddie asked her to keep an
open mind. Tanya and Carrie, the two adults
whose names I keep forgetting. They're worried that the Browns
won't validate them and won't recognize the abuse that's
actually going on. Yeah, that.
They won't even validate it at all.
Like Nope, Nope, Nope, Nope, Nope.
Yeah. So they have their own concerns
about it and they are obviously going along.
This is like their charity that, you know, they run, but they
kind of have taken like a backseat this whole time, piping
up here and there. So we get to hear a little bit
more from them during this, which is good.
Yeah. So the group arrives, they show
them inside of the Browns home. And Kolleen and Suzanne say that
the noise reminds them of home in quotations, like their
original homes with, like, all of the chaos and the noise.
And I feel like that would be triggering if you'd been out of
that quite a while. Especially in Kolleen's
situation. She is the only person that left
her family, as far as we know. She left alone.
And to be going into a home that is chaotic and noisy and kind of
brings you back to that place and time in your life, I would
feel super overwhelmed, like. She was talking about it with
Suzanne, so, you know, they both were identifying in some manner.
Yeah.
But definitely Kolleen with AK was leading that charge.
Janelle says that Kolleen is hell bent on being everything
that's not plague. Not plague.
Well, Janelle clocked her. It wasn't.
It wasn't that hard to clock, right?
Yeah. And this is where they're where
Stephen is asked about his situation and we get a little
more detail, of course, not very much.
Was the question posed to him why he left, or was it why he
was kicked out? Why he was kicked out?
Yeah, so he must have volunteered that he was kicked
out or something. Yep, he said that he was kicked
out and I think Kody, one of the parents, asks why.
Why would you be kicked out? And he says that he went out one
night and that it wasn't the most common thing for him to go
out, but that he stayed out until 2:00 AM.
And so his father said you're out of here and kicked him out
of the house. OK, So what does a boy without
interest or personality do till 2:00 AM?
Maybe stargaze. I don't know, like maybe cow
tip? Cow tipping.
Cow tip. I I don't know.
I'm not, you know. OK, so let's assume he's a St.
and he never did anything and then he just randomly stayed out
till 2:00 AM for no reason. Then that, yeah, it's an extreme
reaction. It also reminds me of how
there's that whole exodus of boys.
I was just. Going to say they find any
reason to kick the boys out. Absolutely.
They don't give a shit. Can't marry those boys off in
the same way you can your daughters.
No, it's another mouth to feed.
As far as they're concerned, yeah, they can give a helping
hand until a certain point. And then when they're supposed
to get married, like there's no one to approve.
No one's going to approve their marriages, right.
Even the ones that find somebody that they want to marry, the
girl ends up usually being taken away.
And no, you can't marry someone that you want to marry.
You're already going to marry this man that's 20 years older
than you. Yeah.
You're. Being you're being assigned by
the Prophet, yeah. God.
So I have a feeling that it's one of those things.
He just any reason to kick him out?
Sure. Yeah.
You're out of here. You don't respect my rules.
Get out. It's awful.
So Kolleen says that she was shunned her whole life and she
doesn't understand or know why, but they started calling her a
devil child. Can you imagine your family just
being like, there goes the devil, child devil?
Child devil child devil child does whatever devil child does.
Well, you know she says which
your dad is kind of the devil, so might be fitting.
I'm curious what Kolleen with the K did for to elicit such a
response from people. It must have been her friendly
disposition, her warm and welcoming way of speaking.
So I have a feeling that this kind of has been going on her
whole life, Like she said that maybe she was a little rowdy or
than the other girls, she didn't maybe act right, keep sweet as
a little girl. She was maybe wild.
And then when she left at 15 and came back, she probably really
got shunned and was told all of her siblings were probably told
nobody can talk to her. She left, she's a devil's child,
nobody can talk to her. And that's probably when she
really got shunned because the book that I read that's about
FLDS and a woman that fled, she talks about when she would try
to run away and get drugged back.
Each time she got drugged back, it was worse and worse.
And her whole family was told that they couldn't talk to her.
And she was like, I was a ghost in my own home.
Literally, people would turn their backs, ignore me, talk
about me like I wasn't there. It was like I was a shadow.
And so I have a feeling that she left and came back and it was
even worse than when she was there as a child.
Like, that is so awful and harmful to your psyche.
But yeah, she says. They started calling me a devil
child, but my dad kind of is the devil probably.
And does she have respect for her father, honey?
Oh no, she has no respect for that man and wants to blow him
up. Blow him up.
I want to. Blow him up.
That's some strong language there, Kolleen with AK.
She wants to sound so intelligent and she wants to
like come across as imposing and get these ideas across to
people, but she doesn't have the vocabulary to do it or the
intelligence yet. And I'm not saying she's stupid,
I'm just saying she hasn't gone probably through any sort of
proper education to know what to say or like have the verbiage
to use. And so she says things like I
want to blow him up. And it just shows that she's
stuck in this mentality of a 15 year old.
Absolutely. The language she uses is
alienating to someone who isn't even a polygamist.
Like, listening to her is just like, hey, girl.
And I want to have empathy for her.
I want to, you know, hear about her experience in a way that
isn't so brash and, like, hard to digest.
She just doesn't know how to do it.
She's going the complete opposite way, just like what
Christine said, because she's rebelling and rejecting anything
that had to do with her previous life.
And I, I get that, you know, like I'm sure that that's part
of the process of getting out of something like that and the
anger that comes with it and whatever, but it just comes
across. It's the.
Process that they refer to, I said deprogramming.
Yeah, deprogramming. I thought that's the term.
There's an opportunity for Kody to jump in.
They've got him on the couch, and he's talking about, of
course, now how he feels about being introduced to Kolleen.
And he says he feels like it's his obligation to shoulder this.
How do I make it better? I'm like, oh, God, Kody, Jeez,
Kody, when was the last time you made anything better for
anybody? There's a tinge of like, of
course, this is all about you, Like gross.
You know, it's just. Him and Robyn always have to
bring it back to themselves. Taking up space, I feel like I.
Need to shoulder this responsibility.
Right, I'm going to be a father figure to this girl.
Shut the fuck up. You're not even a father figure
to most of your children. She doesn't need that from you
dude. To Lulu, Very.
But yes, you're right, Robyn gets to make it all about her
later. And here we've got Kody, making
it all about him. These two are insufferable.
Like for real they're. Truly magic.
They're the people's coupled. Tanya does take a moment during
some discussion to clarify that they help people that are both
escaped the cults and who are still in it.
And of course Christine has to be like, oh, I didn't know that
home. And it's like Christine, shut
the fuck up. Like, Oh my God, if you talked
about everything you didn't know, we would never hear the
end of it. Just I don't know why Christine
gets under my skin so much. Of course they help people that
are out and of course they would like to help people that are
in and want to get out. Like hello.
Or maybe if they aren't prepared to pull the trigger and get
out, you still might need things.
I think that what she means here is that they help people who
want to stay in their religion but want to be in a healthy like
aspect with their religion. So, you know, Christine thinks
that they're just taking people out and like, deprogramming them
and telling them that polygamy is wrong and trying to get them
completely out of polygamy. When Tanya's saying no, we do
help people that still like, want to be in their religion but
want to be in it in a way that's safe and healthy.
An example could be picking up Leon and making sure that Leon
gets to gym class so that Leon could become a doctor to.
Get Leon to be a doctor. Let's make sure Leon's a doctor.
And you know, I mean, this all
makes sense. OK, good.
God bless, yadda yadda yadda. Suzanne shares a little bit more
about her story. Got me in the heartstrings.
And she says that her father was sent off to repent.
Now, you know, a little vague on the background here, but her
father was told you need to leave and go repent.
We do get a little bit more after this.
So I'm sorry if I sound a little like what are you talking
about? He said he was leaving and that
they were to forget about him. Can you imagine?
And then he basically packed up his shit and just drove away.
And she said something, you know, like, he just drove out of
the yard or out of the driveway.
And it was just like, oh, God. And he also says you are to be
considered Warren Jeff's children.
Warren Jeff is now your father.
But because our prophet is in prison, you will be given a
caretaker. God.
Here, Tigger. Now, what's funny is when I was
saying something to you about this, I was referencing this new
newish Netflix documentary that's come out the Trust me,
The False Prophet, which recently came out on Netflix and
is yeah, I think this weekend was like the number one thing on
Netflix. Kind of blew up this weekend,
yeah. Getting a lot of attention, a
lot of the other Sister Wives podcasters, they're doing a
little coverage on that and I hope that they're giving it
justice. It blew up like Kolleen's death.
And her hair.
Oh my God. So I was just making a joke
about how they talk about caregivers in this Netflix
documentary. They're constantly talking about
caregiver, caregiver, caregiver.
And you were like caretaker. And I'm like, oh God, it is
caretaker. It's not even caregiver.
Yeah, they're like Undertaker. God, it's like, why are we
saying caretaker? Oh God, so many things that are
just not right. Yeah, it's awful.
So Suzanne was told by her father that her family would be
given a caretaker because the prophet who's now their father
is in prison. OK, this is insane.
Yeah, this is all two months before her and her mother and
siblings flee the caretaker. To Salt Lake City.
So this all happens within a 2 month period where Suzanne's dad
has to leave because of Warren Jeffs telling him that he needs
to go and repent. Taken those directions from the
prophet in prison. Suzanne's family, when they
escaped to Salt Lake, are connected to Tanya and that's
how they are now being housed and helped.
Yeah, she's like, we literally fled through the backyard and
jumped the fence and went to a neighbor to ask for help, and
they ended up giving them Tanya's information and the name
of the nonprofit, and that's how they ended up there.
So insane. And can you just imagine with
all the kids, I think how many siblings does she have?
9 or something? A lot, yeah.
And as a mom, if and people always are like, why didn't they
leave? Because a lot of them, their
kids would have been taken or kept.
And I, as a mother, cannot imagine leaving it like one
child behind. You know what that life is like.
How could you ever leave a child
behind there? And I know people end up having
to do that, but just such an awful thing to even think about.
Good Lord, jumping over a fence and running away because you've
got a caretaker, basically an undertaker watching over you.
And God knows what that person's doing to them then, right?
And how awful that person is. Yeah, the idea of fleeing your
own home, the other examples I think of are things like German
occupation, recent things with ICE agents in the United States,
and just kind of these larger organizational backed by
government things. And so the idea of fleeing your
own home because of this cult situation, it just, I don't
know, it's just so icky. It gives me the XXXX.
The fact that anybody can call it anything but a cult, which it
is, blows my mind and it's just truly appalling and shocking
that people are living this way.
It seems like it's made-up or like a.
Story from back in like. Oregon Trail days, you know,
like the way that they dress. It's like, what is going on?
So the next morning we're at Janelle's house for breakfast.
Oh, I'm sure Janelle. It looked like they were having
pancakes and sausage or something.
And I was like, I need to make pancakes soon.
I love pancakes. They weren't having their like,
weird Cream of Wheat mock, tapioca mock.
Tapioca, No way, we're not Christine's.
They were Janelle's. So having breakfast, blah blah
blah blah blah. And Nicole joined Kody, Janelle
and some of the kids for this lovely breakfast for this brunch
around that table. Janelle talks about going from
place to place, place in the Lehigh home to borrow kitchen
stuff, which I thought was an interesting example because I'm
going, did Janelle ever make breakfast?
I mean, she might have made these pancakes.
Might be more likely that even Hunter made them, but maybe Kody
did. Who knows?
Maybe they put Nicole to work. They were like Nicole.
Guests make breakfast. Yes, we would flit from kitchen
to kitchen to get what we needed.
This mother sharing everything except for the kitchen.
But. Like snow borrow.
Things from the kitchen We all know that Janelle was abused by
Meri in the kitchen so. I know, that's why I'm like, OK.
Yeah, hot off of the presses of
finding out that Meri beat the shit out of Janelle in the
kitchen. Janelle's like, I would just
walk over to Meri's and grab things like, yeah, no wonder
Meri beat the shit out of you. Just kidding.
No wonder Meri was a little harsh with you, but whatever.
Now, I didn't know that it felt like the dinner the previous
day. They were laying it on a little
thick. Kody was going over to each wife
and making sure to give them the proper attention and it was
very obvious to me and it felt like they were putting on a
show. Now we've got Janelle pretending
that the kitchen situation was bliss.
They were just swapping spatulas.
Yeah, just swapping their spatulas, swapping cups of
sugar, acting like Snow White. Meanwhile, the episode before,
Meri was literally in tears and Janelle was furious, staring off
into space about the kitchen. So.
OK, sounds good. You know, there is an overall,
like, the Browns are putting on a bit of a, like, everything's
great here. Yeah, you know, somewhere that's
green, like they're white picket fences and our yard's
great and Kody's a great dad and everything's fine.
I just keep picturing them trying to be like Disney movie
with birds flitting around chirping on their.
Shoulders, there's no white. Is that what you said?
Yeah. That's what I'm imagining like
the. Leaning out the window.
Beautiful morning at Janelle's house.
With the broom. Just like the three wives going
back and forth between the kitchen singing that.
Song God, I love that. That's what I imagine.
That's so good. Especially Janelle.
Like right girl, right? But you have to imagine them all
in like this little pageboy black wig while they're doing
it. And then Robyn's over somewhere,
like lurking around the corner.
Oh my God, like the hunter? No, Yes, straight up.
Coming to cut their hearts out.
Oh, Jesus. Nicole tells us that her moms
never got along. Now this is so crazy, so crazy.
Shocking.
She's asked, well how many moms did you have?
And she said 2727 and I was like, did she just say 27?
And. None of them got along.
None of them got along and I went JFC, which is short for
Jesus fucking Christ, what in the world 27 moms?
But then she says a real banger.
What was that banger, honey? Oh my God.
It was a banger. She says that they basically are
all a bunch of control freaks. And when you get them together
in a situation like that, it's like prostitution.
And all of the moms were having a fight for the attention of the
man all the time of the husband.
And so they're pitted against each other and it's like
prostitution. They're being prostituted out to
get the attention of their husband.
And I have to agree because all of the girls are worth so much
in the FLDS and they're selling them off to the highest bidder.
How can we get closest to Warren Jeffs?
Which one of our daughters is going to catch his eye and get
us in favor with him? And you better keep sweet or
we're going to kick you out because we can't fall out of
favor with the Prophet. Who's in prison?
Yeah. And to add on to what Nicole
said at the beginning of her quote, I think it's just control
freaks trying to get power. So like the power element is
what you're talking about. And then this whole prostitution
call in totally makes sense. It's just like so bizarre to
hear someone talking about that with their mother mothers, but
there's 27 of them. So I'm wondering in my mind
going, how many children was Nicole surrounded by on a
constant basis? I'm wondering what their setup
was, right? Like to have 27 mothers.
I mean, if they were an individual homes, you would
never even see all of their homes.
I mean, it's so weird to think what this family structure would
have been. There really probably would not
be 1 and it would just be whoever the man felt like giving
attention to at the time and the other fighting for his
attention. And she says that she felt like
she didn't ever have a mother because it was not about the
kids, it was about him. It was about the father and
getting his attention. And she had 27 moms but never
had a mom. That would be so crazy. 27 moms
and to never feel like you had anyone's attention.
It's really a sad and awful. Because when you think about a
27 moms and then the way that these people reproduce, I mean,
we're talking about like a town, like a literal community, a
village, not just an expression, but like a literal
municipality. Fucking insane.
And how do you deprogram all of those people and be like, your
way of life is wrong when they're raised in that?
And that's when you get these deadpan staring, you know, men
that are boys that are kicked out because they're, there
aren't women for them, right? And they get kicked out to the
streets and they're literally lost.
The Lost Boys. And the really sad thing about
that is too, that nobody wants them around because they treat
women like absolute fucking garbage.
And even their moms that flee, they when they take their sons
with them, the sons become abusers.
And it's because that's what they saw and that's what they
were taught. And I think that the men and the
little boys and the teenage boys are often forgotten about
in all of this because you're thinking about, like, the
molestation and rape of these girls when, you know, there is
this other horrible dark side of it that now you're bringing
all of these, like, boys out onto the street that were taught
that women are not equal to them and they're, quite frankly
dangerous. But they're also needing
guidance and needing to be deprogrammed.
And like, this is this whole other dark side of it, right?
It's really fucking weird. Yeah, that's such a odd two side
of a coin thing to be like, these people need help and they
do need the deprogramming, but also that they are going to
default to being terrible to women because of their
upbringing. It's like, Oh my God, like, how
do you help these people? Well, and then the moms are
taught that you know, they're less than men.
So then they escape and they've got their boys with them.
And I read a story where the mom had two teenage boys and they
were abusing her. And the person that got her out
of the FLDS was like, you have to report them to the police.
They are not going to learn unless they sit in jail.
And they have to learn that they can't treat women like this out
here. And it was really hard for the
mom to do that. I can't imagine.
It's just so backwards, like all the way around, yeah.
Well, on a brighter note. Anyway.
Kody Kody. Kody tells us that it gets hot
in Vegas in the summer. You know that Kody is so bright.
I just always think of him as an
inspiration and a thought leader.
Yeah, he's like the sun in Teletubbies just coming up in
the morning. Guess what guys?
It gets hot here in the desert in the summer, so we're going to
go to Mount Charleston to escape the biggest summer heat.
Now, what's funny is I guess we're all supposed to surmise
from this that Mount Charleston is up in the sky and shaded and
there must be trees and it's. 20 miles up the mountain or.
Something. Yeah, he says.
Oh, he did actually tell us. I.
Think he did. Oh, thank you.
Yeah. And that it's cooler there up in
the mountains. But first we have to tour all
the. Homes.
Oh yes, we got to bring these. Mamas.
These four visiting young adults and let them see that we live
in four different houses, once again paralleled with the laying
it in on thick. We're not all in a compound.
We're in four different houses, which it's like you're also
saying that you don't like, but you're going to use to
demonstrate that you're not so crazy.
All right, Kody. It's a little weird because they
talk about how the moms are so separate in the FLDS and then
they're like, well, we're not like that.
We all love each other and we're on big happy family.
Oh, but we live so differently.
Let us let us show you our four homes.
I don't know. Yeah, the logic isn't logicing.
Agreed.
They start at Christine's house,
which is funny because we go on this tour, we don't even need
to get to go to all four of the houses.
So they're teeing up that they're going to do this with
them. I think we only see two of their
houses. Classic for this fucking show.
So Christine's house they start and the 1st place we get to see
is whose bedroom darling? Who do we get to see their
bedroom? Mikkelty God.
Mckelty. This room.
Oh, that hurt my throat. And that's such a great way to
say Mckelty. God, this room.
If only again, I was thinking, couldn't Mckelty get any worse?
And we've only begun our journey with Mckelty.
This is what's so great. We're in Season 5.
We've only gotten a little taste, a little touch of
Mckelty. It looks like a hoarder's house
where she should be wearing a tinfoil hat and sitting in a
chair with a cat rocking back and forth.
But also organized horde because it's really like it's just the
walls every square inch. Of the wall.
I'm sure she would call it art.
Yes. The walls are covered in paper,
you guys. Design, design.
She's a designer. Remember, she's a world renowned
fashion designer in the making, so she's designed this
room to really express who she is within an inch of its life.
She has designed this room every nook and cranny.
Claustrophobia is all I would feel if I was in that room.
Literally there's not a space to look at that wasn't covered in
something. Imagine sticky notes covering 4
walls with doodles than Robyn's doodles of jewelry, but not by
much. And then on top of all of this,
there's a heart made out of paper.
Yes, and it's gorgeous. And Kody just thinks it's the
best, most creative thing he's ever seen.
He loves it and I feel like the heart might have also
incorporated pictures of their family.
Inside of the heart, yes. Paper on top of paper on top of
paper. A lot of paper.
I like that you called them doodles.
I was going to call them Sketches Honey because she is a
world renowned fashion designer in the making.
All I have to say is please don't ever light a candle in
your room, Mckelty. Nothing flammable in that room.
Holy Moses.
Every square inch of that wall was covered in something.
It was a lot, but when I say this, what's funny is that she
really did attempt to try to have it be like a design.
Like there was a Mckelty method to the madness.
It wasn't just like she threw a bunch of shit everywhere she
was trying. It's like what the inside of my
ADD brain probably wants to look like or does look like.
I don't know. We've got a special insight now
when you're like Chris, my ADD's kicked in, I'm going to go,
oh, I know what's happening. It's and imagine flashing
through all of those pieces of paper and I'm trying to find one
in my mind. You're like, I have the perfect
sketch over here and I'm like, Oh my.
God, the idea on the tip of my tongue.
Is it the high or low On which wall?
Was it near a window? Is it in the heart?
Oh my God, A lot happening in Mckelty's room.
But you know, she's a creative.
You got to give it to her. She is.
There's something about that girl.
She's fucking nuts. And then the only other home we
get to see on our tour of four homes is Meri's home, and it's
not very much, Kody says. He has four pairs of running
shoes, one in each house, because you know, some of these
things he's got to have four of because you know he's running
every morning. He's an athlete, star athlete,
same pair. Too.
Got to have the same pair of four running shoes in each house
and then that was that. That's all we got at Meri's
house. At one of the houses, I don't
know whose, he points out his favorite photo, and guess what
it is? And he doesn't even say, oh,
this is my favorite photo. It's a family photo.
He goes, this is my favorite photo.
It's at Robyn's wedding reception.
Yeah, yeah. It's a photo of Robyn's wedding
reception. Tell us how you really feel
about the family. Well, it's when their family
became whole, honey, and that's HOLE, not WHOLE.
But the fact that he describes the photo as Robyn's wedding
reception is the weirdest way to describe that photo.
Not like, oh, this is a family photo.
This is the first family photo we all took together.
And that's why I love it. When the gaping hole joined the
family instead, it was Robyn's wedding reception.
And it's a gaping hole, and it's not a round hole, it's a square
one, because their jaw hit the ground on its way down.
Giggity. Giggity.
Quagmire's face, but it's Robyn. Oh, it's crime against humanity.
Don't worry, we're going to hate
more on Robyn coming up. Don't worry, we're it's not like
Robyn's getting away with nothing on this episode.
She's not getting away with anything.
Now everyone's getting ready to hit the road.
They're all going to hit the road.
And of course they have to play.
They're like, Oh my goodness, chaotic music.
Oh, we're getting in the cars. Kody.
I got a scene over here and I'm like, of course he's in the
fucking copper convertible, the Meri Kay convertible.
At some point, they do talk about jealousy.
Suzanne talks about jealousy with, I think it's Janelle a
little bit before they're, like, getting in the cars.
And Janelle admits to, you know, situations where there could be
jealousy. And then Suzanne, in a clip of
her own, says that the jealousy just shows that they aren't
perfect and that neither is polygamy.
Right. And I was.
I felt like that comment was odd because jealousy exists in many.
Every relationship.
Right now, Right. So just because they're saying
polygamy isn't evil doesn't mean they're saying they're
perfect. Yeah.
So once again, a little bit of a disconnect therefore.
Looking for a chink in the armor I believe.
Oh yes, yes, absolutely. So everyone's getting ready to
hit the road, and then they arrive at Mount Rushmore or
wherever the fuck they are outside of Las Vegas where
they're cooling down in the summer, which is great.
Mount Charleston. Mount Charleston.
And Christine says it doesn't seem like Kolleen was having a
good time at the picnic. So footage.
And Kolleen is literally like giving daggers.
Like she's just looking like someone say something to me.
I dare you. Is someone going to talk to me
in my hair? Which one of you shit in my
Cheerios this morning? How come I wasn't invited to the
pancake breakfast? I'd eat breakfast at Meri's
house. Well, that wouldn't be a bad
breakfast. Robyn's.
What? If she had breakfast at Robyn's?
She'd be like, here's your pop
tart and I can't even put it in a toaster for you.
I made these eggs in the microwave.
I hope you like them, they're a little runny.
I hope you like over microwaved eggs.
You got to eat it with a knife and a fork.
Like, Oh my God, Rob, like beef jerky.
Yes, it's like beef jerky. Throws the whole egg.
She's sitting there like, who's going to come at me?
Who's going to talk to me? And you know, Kody, he's got to
show up like the man he is and try to break into that egg
shell, try to RIP open the crust of that egg.
He's got to shoulder this responsibility of all these baby
chicks. This is it.
He feels it. He feels it is his destiny, his
destiny. And so he starts to try to crack
that shell, that hard shell around Kolleen.
And she responds in kind by saying, would you say being a
good father is one of your ultimate goals?
Because she's trying to, you know, kind of yeah, yeah.
I see what you're doing here. And I'm going to give you a
hardball. I'm going to throw you this
curveball. And he goes, yes, yes, from the
very beginning, that's my thing.
And I went having an aneurysm because flashing to the future,
he is A1 of America's most notorious reality TV.
Horrible fathers, a huge reputation for being a bad dad,
Ignoring, neglecting and straight up shunning his
children, requiring apologies for things that don't require
apologies, and an ass hat who is not spoken to by many of his
children. So for him to say that from the
very beginning, it was one of his ultimate goals to be a good.
This is rich.
Is insane. He also says that he would never
kick anyone out of his family and if anyone would get kicked
out of the family it would probably be him.
Right. OK.
This is so season 5 Kody. This is so not season 15 or
season 20 Kody. Because he's saying here, like
he's talking about the shunning and whatever, and he's like, I
could never do that to anyone in my family, right?
Any of my children. And then Kolleen is telling Kody
she just doesn't think that it's fair.
Like, it's not fair to the kids to have this many wives and
like, have this many kids. And I just find that interesting
because she makes that comment that she doesn't think it's
fair. And then that's when she goes,
like, do you want to be a good father?
Right. And it's just like she knits,
she knits, she knits that together, she hits the nail on
the head with it without even realizing, like.
It's it feels like it's low impact, but it's not.
Yeah, the beginning of that question where she says that
she's like, I don't think that this is fair.
Like to AKA the wives and kids, whatever.
What she's basically getting back to here is the fact that
there's not enough dad to go around.
And she doesn't, you know, browbeat him after his response
or anything. She's not trying to, like,
really tear him down. She's been a little smart alecky
about her approach, but fitting, especially given his derpy
Disney optimistic response, which is not the truth.
It's just his TV persona for now.
Right. Fucking asshole.
We realize that Aspen and Maddie have been missing for a while.
Where did Maddie go? Where did Aspen go?
Yeah, they've been missing for a little bit and getting a
little worried here, and I noticed that they've gone off
with Suzanne. Oh.
God, where did they go? Where, where, Where?
Have my daughter's? Gone.
I'm wondering what they're doing.
Oh, look here. They return over the Crest at
Mount Rushmore and they're coming down the hill.
Look at that, George Washington's wives.
They've they've gone back in time and they've returned to
current day in their FLDS garb, their Prairie dresses.
With the bouffant hair. They've got the bouffant hair,
Maddie. I was going to.
I was wondering if she wiped away that makeup that she slept
in for five days as you referenced.
And I don't know, it seemed like she still had some makeup on.
But yeah, they're wearing the Prairie dresses and they're
wearing the hair, and they look straight out of A Little House
on the Prairie. Yeah, they come around the
corner, out of the woods of the deep dark woods.
Yes. And the family says that it's
shocking and makes them sad. Yeah, makes them sad to see the
girls like that. And Suzanne says this is as
shocking for them as it is for her mom to see her in her like
new everyday clothes now. Like her contemporary outfit,
which is very tame and nondescript everyday clothing.
And that does make sense, you know, to have, like, grown up in
that. And then, like, if your mom was
to see you in street clothes today, she'd probably be like,
oh, my God, my child is, you know, going to hell or
something. Janelle gets emotional.
You know, everyone's starting to to feel the feels seeing the
kids like this. I would freak out.
Maddie and Aspen like this. I mean, it was.
I don't say it was jarring. I think it was a little
insensitive. I if Suzanne hadn't have been
with them when they did this, I would have been like, this is
insensitive and awful. Insensitive to who?
To the FLDS members. To the survivors that are
escaping. That are there with them OK.
Like, this is like a joke or something, right?
Like, oh, it's a costume that we're putting on.
Yeah. It was a little out of touch
with reality for me. Like we're talking about people
that have survived domestic violence, sexual abuse and
beatings, and we're just going to come around the corner
dressed like this. It was in bad taste.
I think it was in bad taste. I can see that.
And I think the only reason you're right that it wasn't for
me is because Susan had gone like they were in on it, like it
was like a. But was she really, or was
production pushing this? That's where I'm like, I doubt
that this was Suzanne's idea, but she probably was like, Oh
yeah I can help with the hair because Bitch knows how to do a
bouffant after all these years. It's insensitive.
Like we know it wasn't her idea and if she hadn't have been at
least with them I would have been like y'all are fucked up.
Would have been like a shock moment.
That would have been yeah, yeah, she.
Would have been like running into the woods herself like.
Trauma, trauma, trauma. Yeah, you're right.
OK, I didn't quite connect those dots, but I I see what you're
saying. Well, and I think that's part of
the reason that the parents are like, like shocked.
And it moves Janelle to tears in their confessional moments on
the couches. Yeah, you're like, Oh, my
daughter is in like sexual assault attire.
Sexual assault attire. Janelle gets emotional and
starts crying because of what these dresses symbolize.
Yeah, like the stereotypes and all of these things, but not
only the stereotypes that their family endures, but what these
literal people endure and what it means and oh.
God, as much as they want to pretend like on the couch, Kody
wanted to start off this whole endeavor of them meeting with
these people and see the bad side of it, but yet not see the
bad side of it. Because not all polygamists are
like that. But yet here you are and it's
like, OK, if you see your daughter dressed like that and
you have this visceral disgusted reaction by it and immediately
or like, get that off, take that off.
Which is the vibe I got. I'm like, well then there you
go. There you go.
That's what's wrong with this. 100 Where does this fit in here
with Meri's reaction being like, listen, this doesn't mean
the thing. Like it doesn't mean that if
someone wore the dress that they're a victim.
It doesn't mean. And it's like, you know, I can
see why it's coming from Meri because she really is the only
one that grew up in true old school polygamy, right?
Like we give Robyn some credit for that or we give her some
whatever word you want to say, but Meri's really the one that
grew up in polygamy. And so I think for her to have
the most the dress doesn't equate to that reaction.
Kind of makes sense. Yeah, she's like, it's not fair
to say because they wear the dress, they are all this way,
right? And it's like, bitch, we're not
saying the people that wear the dresser all this way.
That's not the thing here. That's not the issue.
Oh God. It's the men in power.
I know what the dress represents.
It's messy, messy, messy, and production in this entire
episode really doesn't help us clean up anything.
And I'm so mad at Puddle Monkey right now because it's like, you
could have done a lot better with all of this.
Yeah, we had to decipher the storyline.
And even just explaining this thing about Meri like they
didn't even give like that would have been a nice sound bite for
to have any backup on that. But no, instead she just looks
nuts. And then we get brought over to
square jaw nuts face. Who's even crazier, Robyn?
OK, so all the adults are on the couch and you know, we
Janelle's, you know, oh God, it's so terrible.
And Meri's like, is it really terrible?
We can't assume that. And then Robyn's like, hold on
guys, I've got to interject with my story and which is where she
does this performance. I want to hear a positive story
then. I because Meri's saying, you
know, like it doesn't mean that it's negative.
And then for some reason, this triggers Robyn into making it
all about herself. Oh yeah.
I want to hear a positive story and I haven't heard one yet.
Like OK, I was in an abusive relationship.
I was abused. I was abused.
People kept giving him the benefit of the doubt.
You have to give people the room to change.
But sometimes when you don't see the hard truth, it continues to
happen. And that's what happened to me.
It's like, Oh my God.
It happened to me. It happened to me.
I know, first of all, I was not doing Robyn's voice at all, but
the idea that this is somehow OK, I'm trying to let's let's
try to help her out here. I think she's saying that she
hasn't heard a positive story about the people in the dresses.
Like every. Dresses, she says.
Well, I want to hear a positive story about them then
referencing the FLDS. Right.
And she hasn't heard one. Yet, and I haven't heard a good
story yet. OK, and now that would have
actually been an OK place to end is be like, listen, you want
to Meri, you want to talk about how this isn't negative.
I haven't heard one positive thing but instead she goes down
this long crazy Rd. Of talking about how she was in
an abusive relationship and that people gave him the benefit of
the doubt and that she wasn't given the benefit of the doubt,
but then for some reason needs to bring in giving people the
room to change. Yeah, and whether or not they
are good people or not, this is happening.
Right. Look, it's just what I just
following. It was it was as hard as it was
to follow what just happened here on this podcast.
It makes your eye twitch, Yeah.
And you're literally like, you're trying to say something.
What are these?
What are this? What are this?
What are this you are saying to me?
Because I do not know what this is.
Also, when they're showing everyone else in classic Robyn
Brown, you know, diatribe, speech, fashion, everyone is
just kind of looking like no one's consoling her.
They're so. Uncomfortable.
They're just looking around like, what do we even say?
Because they're not following either.
They're just like, OK, so she's upset about something now
again, and it's abuse. Well, you can tell Kody's
looking at her like he wants to console her, maybe, but also
that he's a little shocked. I was abused.
OK.
This is the first time she's coming out and saying that.
In a previous episode, I said she's playing battered woman
syndrome about her debt. This woman, and I am not someone
that's going to be like, oh, you're not a victim.
I don't believe women when it comes to her and her
performances that she puts on. And yeah, this performative
battered woman syndrome that I believe she is doing.
It's like you are the reason that women aren't believed.
Go and kindly fuck yourself like this is so wrong.
Agreed. Now, this is not the kind of
podcast where we would just repeat rumors.
No, no, no, no, no, never. But I have a little birdie from
the Internet told me that realistically, with her
ex-husband, there's all this like, confusion about the debt
and the financial situation and the whatever.
And according to some unnamed sources on the Internet, which
you can't believe and I would never believe, apparently she
rung up a lot of debt and was given money.
Her family. Were given money by his family
to correct these financial. Paid off so that they could buy
a home. And then she spent all that and
then eventually they did get divorced because he couldn't
deal with this any longer. He like, lost everything.
He lost everything including his business and whatever her side
of the story is that he was abusive and all these things and
you remember he sure reports on it to sit in front of a space
heater 1 winter. God.
I mean, it's so weird to talk about these things because like,
I don't know. I don't know that I can't put my
hand. On children are like old enough
that they would be able to speak on it, I think at some point
and defend their dad. I think he's scared to say
anything. I think his kids basically got
stolen from him and he was like forced to sign away rights to
them by letting Kody adopt them.
And I think it was probably really all an awful experience
for him. And he's like wanting nothing to
do with media whatsoever. He doesn't even want to speak on
any of it because why the fuck would he want to if he's like
truly a good person just trying to live his life.
Most people want nothing to do with the press.
A normal layperson that just wants to live their life and
like have their children in their life would not want
anything to do with any of that. And so he stays away from it for
his own safety and sanity. And so all these conclusions are
drawn about him and. And perpetuated by her, the
negative ones, by her, her lies, her made-up crap.
If he's remarried and has new kid, not new kids.
If he's remarried and has other children, whatever.
Whatever life he's trying to live now, he has the right to do
that and he shouldn't be thrown under the bus by his
ex-wife in ways that he isn't. I wonder if he was asked to even
be on the show or provide a quote.
Regardless of that, he's not obligated to, and if he doesn't
want to, that's that. Like, yeah, here's another part
of it. He was told when he signed to
the adoption papers that there would be terms to the adoption
and that he would still be able to see his children.
And that happened for a little while.
And after adoption papers are signed and somebody signs their
rights away to like children unless it literally says in the
adoption agreement something about visitation which I don't
think they can even enforce at that point.
Why would you take your children to be with someone completely
abusive and horrible that actually did abuse you after?
They don't have rights to their child, their rights to see them.
If you're trying to protect your
child from an abuser, even if they didn't abuse your children,
if they abused you, that's abuse to your children because they
saw it, they were there, whatever.
As far as I'm concerned, if you abuse a mother.
Bring your. You're abusing your.
Kids, non adult children to go visit him in the future, which
she does. Why would you do that?
Stay for like, I don't know, weeks in the summer or some
shit. Like girl.
It's just. She's a liar and a frog.
Shit. She's a liar and a.
Frog she is. And it's it's actually
disgusting to me to put a man in that situation, to put anyone
in that situation, whether it be a man, woman, they, them,
whoever it is. Yeah, absolutely.
It's fucked up. Yeah, and it's wrong.
And she should be ashamed of herself and she's not.
She's a shameless whore. She is shameless.
And it's it's it's a challenge to talk about because, yeah,
we're only going, we're coming to conclusions based on what
Robyn lies about on a TV show. And then what people volunteer
on the Internet that might not even be true.
So it's like, what do you even believe?
And I hate to be that person. I don't want to be that person.
I don't want to be like someone that's denying somebody's abuse
and like their reality and whatever.
I truly do think that when you fly as often as she does, you
confuse your own reality and at some point that becomes your
reality. And so maybe she's twisted this
narrative in her mind that these things he did to her were
abusive, whatever that. Means to her.
Yeah, whatever that means to her.
Believes it. Yeah.
Maybe him trying to control
money was abusive to her, you know, like we don't know what
she means. She.
Spent him into the poor house and he was like please stop
spending money, no. I'm not hiding packages in the
shed from you and sneaking him into the house and you go to
work, darling. I have to sit my son in front of
a space heater. Well stop buying shit bitch.
Pay your e-mail OK. Anyway, after that.
Sorry about all that you guys. Sorry you guys.
You come here for the truth and what a hard.
Truth and nothing about the truth.
Whatever we just gave you, it was near that so.
Opinions and nothing but. Opinions.
Yeah, allegedly, allegedly, allegedly.
I, you know, we got to pass it through legal and they said
allegedly, allegedly, allegedly.
I just passed it through legal and they said we're in trouble,
we better get on our knees behind a Pew and pray.
I'll wear my Prairie dress, honey.
And will you give me a bouffant? You know how I like it.
Yes. The higher the hair, closer to
God, which is a different take on that with the bouffant, you
know? I got to say, there is one story
in a book that I read where a girl is rebelling and chops off
her ponytail and one of the other wives takes the ponytail.
Because what they do is they
tease these pieces of hair, or they take pieces of hair from
their brushes and they put it under the bouffant to make it
bigger. So this girl cuts off her like
ponytail in defiance and the other wives like go crazy over
it and take the ponytail so that they can make their bouffants
bigger. Oh my God, sorry.
Side note, it's fucked up. It's so crazy how that is so
easy to believe. It is like, it sounds nuts, but
I'm like, yeah, totes. I mean, they did it like back in
the 17 or 1800s, they would take the hair from their hair
brushes and use it to like pad their wigs and shit.
And that's like literally what these ladies do.
Totally. It makes sense, even though it
doesn't make any sense. Back to our story, back to this
episode back. To the Browns.
Back to the Browns, the Brown family takes Tanya, Carrie and
the kids to dinner. La, la, la, la.
I don't think did we care about any of the details from dinner.
Literally nothing happens there.
And I just noted that they go to a Mexican restaurant.
Again, that's their like go to. We love a Mexican restaurant.
Where they probably order the
blandest food available now. After this dinner, the teens go
to get ice cream and the parents go back to visit with
Tanya and Kerry at Meri's house.
When the teens go to get ice cream.
Now you know, I didn't catch the name of this ice cream parlor.
I don't know if it was, you know, like cruising Hwy. 101 or
whatever the other place was. They love an ice cream parlor,
these guys. They love their hoops, the the
poodle skirts, the greased hair.
That's another huge thing for Mormons though.
They don't drink coffee or drink, so they have soda.
Shops, soda shops, Soda shops. Soda shops, you're right.
Ice cream parlors for these guys.
So Kolleen with AK says before coming here, I thought you were
fake. I thought you were putting.
On I. Thought you were just putting on
a show. Yeah, you were fake fucking
bitches. She's like, I thought that you
were fake fucking bitches. Putting on a show where
everybody. Well, turns out they were
putting on a show. But you know, when you were also
kind of putting on a show. So you know, Kolleen, the truth,
you're not going to find it on this podcast.
Somewhere in between. Yeah, exactly, Suzanne says.
I don't think you're perfect, but I think you're doing a good
job. I thought, you know what Suzanne
is. Really, I don't know.
She's great. I'm going to put a little heart
next to her name in my notebook.
I find her endearing, just like I find Christine endearing.
They no. I wouldn't go that far, but.
Christine. Christine hasn't been through
all this shit, obviously. No, she's.
But not aware. I find it promising for her that
she's been out of the FLDS for such a short time, and that
she's doing well and able to speak to people like this as
coherently as she does. And she actually does one of the
little girl's hair, one of Christine's.
Savannah, Savannah. She's got a bun in and she's
like. Yeah, and she does.
She does her hair and she's like, oh, how old are you?
And she's like, oh, you're a year older than my youngest
sister. And she's a good person.
And I think she's going to have a good life ahead of her.
And I'm like happy that she is out.
And she's one person. I'm curious like.
Where are they? Where are they now?
Right, Like VH1, let's do a special cut to Meri's house
where we've got Tonya and Kerry visiting with the parents.
And Christine says she didn't know if Tonya would try to take
her kids away because of the indoctrination and fear of
outsiders. In the past, Christine was a
little fearful of Tanya. You know Tanya heads up this
nonprofit and big old scary Tanya my.
She's heard some things about Tanya this.
Is it the rumor mill? The rumor mill.
Oh my gosh, I was a little worried.
With hoping, holding hands or whatever.
Helping, holding hands, hoping for help.
Hoping for help. Helping for hope.
Hoping for hoping hands. Oh no, don't you look at us for
facts. Oh God, this is rich.
Holding out Herp, holding out help.
Holding out help for Robyn's herpes.
For the Herblerp, we're holding out her hope for the Herblerp.
Pulpit hold out for Herblerp. So Christine is scared of Tanya
Tanya's like little old mean. I was like, Oh my God, Tanya's
given, whatever her name is, her song ideas, Taylor Swift,
little old me. So yeah, Tanya's definitely
rocking that vibe. Now, this is where we're going
to get a Christine moment. And I know you're like, oh, you
know, Christine, she's naive and it's endearing.
And I'm going, Christine's naive and Christine is the dumbest
fuck. I thought everyone in polygamy
was like us. So this is it.
We're coming to the couch. Sorry.
Once again, I'm getting ahead of myself on the couch, having a
spotlight moment with all the adults, and they're zoomed in on
Christine and she's talking about how you know Tanya and all
the things and the men of polygamy.
I thought everyone in polygamy was like us.
I didn't know that men could be bastards.
I didn't know. I didn't know that men could be
such bastards. I didn't know with the tears in
her eyes and her nose as red as Rudolph the Red Nosed Reindeer.
Yep, he didn't know before her little Aspen went on this trip
about these men. These men now, okay, so
Christine polygamist, royalty, quote UN quote, her grandfather
was murdered by her other grandfather when he was the
prophet and blah blah blah. And he gave he gave birth, he
pulled a baby out of her vagina or whatever.
Christine is a Pretty Little Princess and she doesn't know
anything around her. Did she not know she used to do
PR? She was a spokesperson for some
sort of public relations thing about polygamy.
She knew she is a liar. Yeah, this is weird.
She plays the whole like, I just don't know anything.
And it's like, bitch, you knew.
You knew. And she double s down by saying
there are common threads amongst these different groups,
but there are vast differences between the polygamous sex and
so like how could she know? How could you know?
In her world, all the men were just walking on water.
Meanwhile, she's with a husband who neglects her, her children
and is insane. Yeah, how could they take a
blessing and use it to control women and to control people?
And she taught children at one point.
I mean this it's just. I think that she just lives in
ignorant bliss and sometimes it hits her and then she floats
back up to the clouds and then she's in ignorant bliss for a
while again and then sometimes she gets struck down.
It's like, I don't even know. Yeah, I would definitely
capitalize, italicize and bold ignorant in that sentence, yes.
But she says earlier on when
she's talking to Tanya, she was scared that they were going to
take Aspen. She wasn't just scared that they
were going to take her family. She goes, well, that's a little
far fetched. Like she knew they couldn't come
for her family in Las Vegas, but she thought that sending Aspen
there that Aspen might not come home.
Yeah, like, Oh my God. And I'm like, OK, you would not
have actually let her go if you, like, truly thought that.
Like, I would never let my child go anywhere if it was even an
inkling they might not come back to me.
There's not a fucking snowball's chance in hell.
And then Tanya says that this whole experience has been
healthy for her and her business partner or charity partner to
see. It's been healthy for them to
see a different example, a different side of polygamy than
what they usually see. Right.
One staged for television. Yeah, basically.
And oh, the Browns, you know, we leave it at These men are such
bastards. And then they go back to the
kids. I didn't know that men could be
such bastards. Bastards, she says.
It is breathy, yes. I'm looking right now like
Janelle looks when Robyn's talking.
I'm just like. Yeah, we wrap this whole thing
up with the kids that have escaped from the horrible sects.
That's ice cream. Shooby Doo.
They're the ice. Cream parlors.
They are. Does he love me?
I want to know. And the kids say that they think
that Kody is actually a dad and it's shocking that they have
found a polygamist that's also a dad.
Yeah, Nicole says she has respect for Kody because he's a
dad and a husband. They couldn't believe it.
He does pull the wool over people's eyes.
Oh, yeah. I mean, I don't remember that
realizing that he was so terrible when I first watched
the show. So you know.
No, I just thought he was not bright.
I thought he was showboat like he was putting on a show, but I
didn't think it was because he was neglecting his family and a
terrible husband and father. I thought he was just in
uneducated. Like an oaf.
Oaf, yeah, for sure. That's what I always.
Totally, totally. Kolleen with Aki thought all
polygamists were stupid, but now I see how people respect your
dad. OK, She just doesn't know how to
express herself. And I hope that she's learned
how to express herself better than this because I think she
could truly bring a lot to this charity.
And I think that if she really comes to terms with what
happened to her, she'll be able to help other people.
But until then, she will actually drive them back towards
the religion because they're going to be scared of that's
everything that we don't want. Like that's terrifying to come
out and see. Yeah, she probably alienated
plenty of people. Oh, yeah.
But now I think the reason that we're also caught up on it is
because Kolleen with AK is, I think I can tell that she's
smart enough to get this. She can wrap her mind around it.
She could correct this course. And maybe she has, you know,
this was a long time ago. Maybe today she's more like,
listen, I have actually been able to like put these ideas out
and, and phrase things and you know, like hopefully.
The concussion that I had from that seagull has gone away.
My hair is flat again. Oh.
God, what is her hair color today?
I got some therapy. I'm therapized.
Therapized. Yes.
Kolleen with AK reach out to me.
Yeah, send me Adm slide into my DM.
You know, I'm going to tell you I, I, there's one picture that
I'm thinking of where I look a lot like her and girlfriend.
We were a lot of love, like probably in some ways.
Well, maybe, yeah, maybe you should slide in the hair.
Maybe you should slide slide. I slide into Kolleen's DMS well.
One of you guys should slide
into each other's DMS and share old photos, swap old stories.
Yeah. We do close up the episode with
Maddie telling us that if Kolleen and her had met under
other circumstances, she thinks that they would be friends and
I agree. I agree they have.
Like they do they have similar vibes?
You know, they did have this like energy towards each other
during it that they both wanted to prove their sides of things
to each other and not in a malicious way, but in like a I
got you a girl kind of way, like a girls girls kind of way.
You could tell that they felt like kindred spirits with each
other and so they wanted to help the other ones see their point
of view. They also both had hair, makeup,
looks. They rock a look.
They rock an attitude.
Oh, God, I'm giving them. They have a look.
They have an attitude. And yeah, I think I agree with
everything you're saying. Well, we made it through this
episode. Now you guys, it is funny
because I don't know, hopefully we made you chuckle at least
once or twice, because it was. Dark.
It was a little heavy. It was heavy.
And we like to keep it light around here.
We like to bring you the facts only.
And this episode is a little heavy.
And we were. Unfortunately, we did have to
delve into the gossip a bit. The rumor mill and the gossip.
Yeah. That rumor mill?
All alleged. Alleged.
I mean, you can't quote us on
any of this. It's all a fever dream.
Did you even experience? Don't sue us for our millions.
Oh yeah, we're so rich. You, you're waking up now from a
fuzzy dream. Oh, it's all WAVY.
And then you woke up just in time.
You woke. Yes, you woke up just in time
for mustard seed and shit stain, darling.
You know what? Ladies first, I respect women
and so you. This is the one time.
Please bless us with your mustard seed for this week.
I'm going to give my mustard seed to Maddie.
Good one. Because I think that she had
very good intentions. It all goes back to the
intentions for me. I don't know.
She went into this thinking, OK, this is going to be weird.
She even said like while they were in the car.
I'm not scared of the work we're going to have to do.
I'm scared of the people we're going to meet.
She I hit it off with one of them in like a weird way that
you could tell that her and Kolleen were vibing and they
just wanted to like teach each other.
And I think that that happened and I think that's cool for both
of them. And I don't agree with wearing
dresses, but other than that she gets my mustard seed.
Yeah, I think my mustard seed. You know, I do push back
sometimes when people want to give mustard seeds to inanimate
objects or a passerby character.
But I do want to give my mustard seed to Suzanne because am I
allowed to? I think so.
I actually really love her. I agree, I think she had salt of
the earth vibes and it turns out what if it turns out she's
like a serial killer? Oh my God.
Well, I don't know, Suzanne, if you're able to, if you're able,
if you're still out of the cult and you can hear us right now,
if you can, you know, hear what we're saying.
Send a good vibes your way. I'm going to give you my mustard
seed, and I hope that you put it in the ground and watch it
grow because you seemed endearing.
And I'm happy that her family's out of the situation.
And she spoke with a lot of candor, especially given that
she probably at the time had a big lacking in education and
emotional understanding of things.
And so kudos for showing up and giving us some love.
I don't know. She still had a personality.
She saw the fire about her. She still had something that was
like. A fire.
Well, I mean, like there is a little like spark there still,
right? Like she wasn't like the other
guy who is like dead behind the eyes, right?
And that's not his fault. I'm not saying there's nothing
between the ears. Poor Steven.
I'm not saying that. I'm just like.
You've hated on Steven this whole she.
Well, he's good. I should stand.
Yeah, no, thank you for backing me up because I'm struggling a
little bit to even define it. I just.
No, I just think that she has something special about her in
the sense that she didn't let this horrible situation kill her
spirit. And even just the moment where
her and she was doing Savannah's hair and having this tiny
conversation with a little girl, you could tell that there's
this good person that just needs some nurturing and have an
education and learn and grow. And thank God her mom is giving
that to her. Thank God her mom saw that the
situation was wrong and got her kids out of it.
And I think that a lot of these people escape on their own or
in pairs. And the fact that her mom got
all of her children out of that, I like applause to her fucking
mom. I can't imagine how hard that
was. Keeping the keep suite
headboard. A little fucked.
Up. Well, we'll see where that ends
up, you know. What would you do?
It's like you don't want to get rid of all your shit.
Well, this you need a headboard.
And how old is her mom? Serves as a reminder of some
things. Yeah.
Yeah, Suzanne, you get my mustard seed and you've earned.
It and Suzanne, if your mother
still has that headboard and if she's not with us if she is,
please take it out into the woods and burn it take off all
your clothes and run around that fire naked and just live your
best fucking life and charge your pussy by the moon do it
just. Do it burn and burn.
Burn the headboard and charge the pussy.
I don't even know. I've never done that.
Apparently you can charge your butt hole in a full moon.
I don't know. I need your pussy and you let it
like look at the full moon and I love.
That I knew about the sun with the butt hole, but not the
pussy, Yeah. With the moon though.
With the moon, yes. Mother Luna.
Give my pussy the power that it
has. So, you know, shit stain.
The shit stain is going to go to Robyn for trying to make this
deep statement about saving these people from the FLDS and
how we shouldn't give the benefit of the doubt to these
horrible people because it's doing a disservice to the
victims. Which is what she was trying to
say but she couldn't fucking say it because she's dumb and she
had to make it about her so she gets my shit stained.
I'm going to say that with this one with the saying I was
abused and turning this in, we literally are in an episode
where people were abused and talking about sexual, physical,
emotional abuse and she makes about her and her abuse like
it's not even just a shit stain.
It's like fucking blow out diarrhea on the floor stain.
Robyn. Go to hell bitch.
Go to bed, bitch. I fully support your decision,
Yeah. What about you?
My shit stain. Oh God.
You know, I really wanted to give it to Christine for that
bullshit, but I'm going to give it to Kody.
Kody Brown, because when he was asked about being a good father
and if that was his ultimate goal, he said yes from the very
beginning. And while I don't, I wouldn't,
my, I wouldn't necessarily call him out on the statement of at
the beginning, maybe he felt some sort of self-imposed
optimism or something. I could be, you know, I could be
a great dad. I care about kids.
I'm whatever. Look at me, I'm jovial.
I'm, I'm a showboat. I'm a I'm a performer.
It's my cross to bear that these children are better be with
them. I'm going to help them this time
around. I'm going to solve the world's
problems for my children. That is not true.
And in fact, in our coming up ONS in the next episode,
Christine has a clip where she's like, the kids never see you.
And that's what they're talking about now is that they never see
your their father. So hot off the heels of him
talking about how yes, he's his ultimate goal is to be a good
father from the very beginning. No, you are neglecting your
children in real time. Literally the preview of the
next episode of the Next. Episode and because this is ATV
show being put on and we're only seeing what we're seeing,
we haven't really been shown the whole thing yet and we won't
for a while. But Kody is an alleged deadbeat
dad, so he lied on national television about caring about
his children and he didn't stand up and say, Robyn, stop talking
about your supposed former abuse.
He lets her do it and so he is perpetuating the lie.
Yep. Yep, Yep, Yep.
Really. You stole my shit stain?
Because Robyn is the one that. Really, she deserved it.
She's diarrhea time around. Massive diarrhea.
Uncontrollable diarrhea. Our headboard moment.
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Praise, praise, praise. But also I do agree with Lisa
that the episodes are so bad like this.
This show is terrible. Literally every time we watch an
episode, I'm like, well, and you're like, well, we look at
each other and we're like, what are we going to have to say?
And then we sit down and we're like, bitch, we got a lot to
say. We always have too much just.
Cut to two hours later, we're still talking.
Hours later. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it is true,
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